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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-06-01

---Logopened Mon Jun 01 00:00:31 2009
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00:12<nw-b>how can I connect to a wep encrypted wireless network?
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00:15<sney>nw-b: network-manager or wicd should be able to handle it
00:16<sney>I don't use wep and I haven't for a long time so I can't say for sure, but it should still be supported in the software
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00:28<crunchbang>wats the command to remove a whole directory
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00:32<kenyon_>crunchbang: rm
00:32<kenyon_>rmdir if thi directory is empty
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00:46<GloooM>А тут по русски ктонить болтает? =)
00:46<shamanix>!ru
00:46<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
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01:35<Joemama_>can i get lame with apt-get ?
01:36<gsimmons>!lame
01:36<dpkg>Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues. Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at http://www.mp3dev.org/ or http://lame.sourceforge.net/
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01:43<x_v2-10_x>Hello ! I'm french ! Do you speak french ?
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01:45<gsimmons>!fr
01:45<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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01:59<EmleyMoor>Is there a way I can reload a module (loop in this case) so that new options take effect?
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02:21<new1>anyone up?
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03:14<valdyn>EmleyMoor: most modules can be reloaded, whats the point?
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03:25<mike>hello world.
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04:01<EmleyMoor>If I need r/o access to an NTFS partition, is there any adwantage of ntfs-3g over ntfs?
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04:02<EmleyMoor>advantage even
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04:07<vook>according to http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~ssanty/cgi-bin/eightball.cgi, ntfs-3g is definitly better than ntfs.
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04:12<avtobiff> lenny released!: /msg dpkg lenny | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | 4.0r7 released /msg dpkg etc
04:12<avtobiff>10:10 (21): <dpkg> 29 topics: reverse, rot13, rssfeeds, say, scramble, search, seen,
04:12<avtobiff> slashdot, spell, status, tell, topic, topic add, topic del, topic
04:12<avtobiff> mod, topic mv, topic restore, uc, unforget, unlobotomy, unlock,
04:12<avtobiff> upsidedown, uptime, useradd, userdel, wantnick, whois, wikipedia, wtf
04:12<avtobiff>10:10 (21): <dpkg> unfortunately, HTTPDtype is disabled in my configuration
04:12<avtobiff> [15:oftc (change with ^X)]
04:13<avtobiff> connection]
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04:13<avtobiff>no :(
04:13<dr|z3d>?!
04:13<rC_Croft>??
04:14<avtobiff>sorry
04:14<rC_Croft>np
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04:23<hubert>hi
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04:41<plange>/list
04:41<plange>fu, sorry
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05:26<EmleyMoor>Any word on how well Debian works on Dell Inspiron 15s yet? (considering available wireless cards etc.)
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05:28<jm_>try http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell
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05:29<EmleyMoor>The 15 is very recent... but I will see if there is anything useful there
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05:37<EmleyMoor>Like knitting fog to find the information before purchase
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05:39<HardKoreLinux>Does anyone know how to restart sane without reboot??
05:40<koollman>HardKoreLinux: what are you trying to do ?
05:40<koollman>HardKoreLinux: reboot is the way to do a sane restart. Why wouldn't you use it ?
05:41<HardKoreLinux>koollman, I am testing a script so rebooting is a pain
05:42<koollman>a startup script ?
05:42<koollman>you could just change the runlevel, I guess. telinit 2; telinit 3
05:42<koollman>(assuming your script is started when entering level 3 and stopped at level 2)
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05:44<kashif>hi all
05:44<kashif>my apache2 is not able to open user's directory 's public_html
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05:45<kashif>and also not able to open trac on browser
05:45<kashif>pls help
05:46<kashif>ever time give error message on browser
05:46<HardKoreLinux>koollman, no this is just a script for changin /etc/udev/rules.d/z60_libsane.rules
05:46<EmleyMoor>What error message?
05:46<jm_>you don't need to reboot when editing udev rules files
05:46<kashif>http://debian.pastebin.com/m14e8b01b
05:47<jm_>kashif: check apache error log
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05:47<kashif>okay let me check
05:49<gsimmons>kashif: "a2enmod userdir", if you haven't already.
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05:51<shamanix>does anyone know if there is a bug in newer debian squeeze install cds? No matter what I do the it says it detected the network settings then says installation step failed, it's getting real annoying
05:51<shamanix>I'm using the latest daily dump of squeeze netinst
05:52<debam>hi to all, i want to install debian from my system to other client system as well all gui things like asking username password has to show in my system.is there any application avaialable?
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05:53<locklace>shamanix: can't confirm for certain, but i've heard lots of problems with them and had them myself
05:53<locklace>shamanix: the right thing to do is to do a lenny install. the transition to squeeze is just an aptitude upgrade.
05:53<bzed>shamanix: don't forget to report such bugs, though :)
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05:57<mihkel>Hi, I have problem with smartcard reader
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05:57<mihkel>http://paste.debian.net/37671/ <- can't find driver?
05:58<mihkel>although in opensc.conf I have line: provider_library = /usr/lib/libpcsclite.so.1.0.0
05:58<mihkel>So why it can't load that library?
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05:59<mihkel>I have a strace, but I don't understand it well enough to fix that problem myself :(
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05:59<mihkel>http://paste.debian.net/37676/
06:00<mihkel>debian squeeze
06:01<jm_>try doin gltrace on it - it shall show what is being passed to dlopen (assumin it's using that)
06:01<jm_>doing ltrace
06:01<EmleyMoor>Is lenny with a 2.6.27 kernel doable easily?
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06:01<kashif>EmleyMoor: pls check my error msg http://debian.pastebin.com/m659fd02e
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06:02<kashif>apache is not able to open users public_html
06:02<jm_>EmleyMoor: kmuto has 2.6.28 installers
06:03<EmleyMoor>kashif: Not sure how you achieve what you are trying... sorry
06:03<themill>kashif: try "a2enmod userdir ; invoke-rc.d apache2 reload"
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06:04<mihkel>jm_, well that output will look even more cryptic :)
06:04<mihkel>but here it is
06:04<mihkel>http://paste.debian.net/37679/
06:05<EmleyMoor>jm_: Thanks for the tip. If I order these Dells with Intel cards that will be helpful.
06:05<jm_>mihkel: there's a whole lot missing, try ltrace -f -S
06:05<mihkel>ok
06:06<mihkel>http://paste.debian.net/37680/
06:06<EmleyMoor>No known problems with Intel 4500MHD graphics, are there?
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06:07<debam>jm_ how to do remote lenny installation just by sitting server place?
06:08<jm_>mihkel: it seems this thing expect /usr/lib/pcsc to be a library - is there anything in README.Debian?
06:08<jm_>expects even
06:08<jm_>debam: what do you mean?
06:08<jrodger>I am trying to extract music from a cd and then onto my ipod, the first step is successful, how can I do the second, music is in oga format.
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06:10<debam>jm_ iso image is in my system ,and i have to install debian in client which is in lan but without going to client place.
06:10<debam>jm_ all question answer will be given from server
06:10<jm_>debam: netboot+pre-seeding
06:10<debam>local server
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06:11<EmleyMoor>Is a Celeron T1600 64-bit?
06:11<EmleyMoor>(Dual-Core)
06:12<mihkel>jm_, no. last entry on README.Debian was in Sun Jun 30 14:16:50 CEST 2002
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06:12<mihkel>but I don't have that old installation
06:12<debam>jm_ after doing netboot+preseed partion gui will be coming at client machine not at server
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06:12<mihkel>and it advised to purge pcscd and reinstall it
06:12<mihkel>tried that. no good
06:12<debam>i like to do manual partitioning that to from server
06:13<jm_>EmleyMoor: wikipedia says yes ;)
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06:13<jm_>debam: you can configure partitioning via pre-seeding too
06:14<debam>jm_ that will be generic.
06:14<jm_>mihkel: then I am affraid I can't help further, never used it
06:14<hjfnmgca>hi, i would use nc.traditional over privoxy followed by tor. How to do that?
06:14<debam>jm in some system i want to install on 20 GB and some 10 GB
06:15<jm_>debam: for remote installations it's either you have hardware that allows you to do it or use serial console, which is far easier to access remotely (you can specify partition sizes in percentages IIRC)
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06:16<debam>jm_ how to use serial console of client in server?
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06:19<jm_>debam: it's the other way arround - you connect your client via a serial cable to a computer near it that is accessible remotely, use some software on this 2nd computer (like minicom) and boot client so it uses serial console
06:19<mihkel>jm_, ok. Thanks for you time
06:20<jm_>mihkel: no worries
06:21<debam>jm_ but my lan system are not so near such that i cam connect it using serial console
06:21<debam>cam/can
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06:23<bin4ry>hi zusammen
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06:24<jm_>debam: then do blind installs like mentioned before
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06:25<debam>jm_ there is no option that all installation of client can be checked and doing manually partitioning using browser?
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06:26<jm_>debam: you can use ssh too - d-i has ssh module, and some architecture can only be installed this way
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06:29<simon>hi
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06:30<Guest104>anyone can tell me vi's message file?
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06:31<jm_>Guest104: what is a message file?
06:32<Guest104>jm_: i'm assuming there's an error message file associated with it
06:32<Guest104>jm_: there's no text that i can find searching through the binary to match
06:33<jm_>Guest104: ahh, like message catalog?
06:33<Guest104>jm_: some other has modified it for a joke, and i can't find the message file to fix the problem
06:33<Guest104>jm_: is that the correct term?
06:34<jm_>Guest104: yes, that's hw it's usually called
06:35<Guest104>jm_: next thing would be to learn how i can log net traffic and monitor for breakin's... any ideas on that also?
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06:37<jm_>Guest104: just list contents of the vi package to find message catalogs (typically named file.mo on Linux)
06:37<jrodger>is there an application to translate oga files to mp3? (to go onto ipod?
06:38<jm_>jrodger: oga or ogg?
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06:39<mihkel>How stable is sid nad gnome?
06:40*mihkel plannig to update to sid
06:40<mihkel>maybe then I can use my smartcard reader
06:40<mihkel>in squeeze there is no libpcsclite* installed somehow
06:40<mihkel>therefore it can't find that driver
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06:41<jm_>mihkel: perhaps you'd rather try installing it from sid on squeeze first
06:42<mihkel>that might work too :)
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06:43<jrodger>jm: oga
06:44<fsateler>mihkel: that library is at the same version in testing and unstable
06:44<jm_>jrodger: hmm never heard of that, what does file utility say for such files?
06:44<mihkel>fsateler, yeah I noticed that too
06:44<mihkel>damn
06:44<jrodger>mihkel: how do I check
06:46<Guest104>jm_: right so i can work out package content, what tools do i need to learn...? dpkg ?
06:47<EmleyMoor>Still puzzled over whether xorg in lenny will be happy (or easily makeable happy) on Intel 4500MHD graphics
06:47<fsateler>jrodger: pacpl might be useful
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06:48<jm_>Guest104: dpkg -L pkgname
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06:48<jm_>EmleyMoor: I never know their zillion market names - G45 needs 2.6.28 + patch to work
06:49<EmleyMoor>I have the option of ATI HD4330 for extra cash but think that may be worse
06:50<jm_>heh
06:50<EmleyMoor>Do you mean Q43/45?
06:53<jm_>hmm no, looking on intel page G45 is has GMA 4500HD, while Q45 only has 4500
06:54<EmleyMoor>Ah - so G45 it is then - what's the patch it needs??
06:55<Guest104>jm_: ok have tried that... no file listed. searched for *.mo and checked a couple of files, but can't see the error
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06:59<jm_>Guest104: well first find the right package name for your vi variant
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07:01<jm_>i'll ask if my bro can find that patch
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07:07<jm_>EmleyMoor: I lied, that's needed for G41, but for G45 some fixes went into 2.6.28.x kernels
07:08<jrodger>fsateler: pacpl doesn't do oga format....
07:08<fsateler>jrodger: I though oga is just ogg audio
07:09<jrodger>possibly...will have to do some more research, thanks for trying
07:10<EmleyMoor>jm_: Interesting. Looking at alternative brands now
07:11<jm_>jrodger: didn't you say you ripped audio CD-s? why not rip to mp3 then?
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07:16<jrodger>rhythmbox didn't give me the option
07:16<jm_>when ripping? use something like abcde
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07:18<jrodger>jm_: clm or gui?
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07:20<jm_>jrodger: it's a command line tool,
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07:20<jm_>jrodger: grip is a GUI tool
07:20<fanti>i'm looking for a fan control tool for my lenovo thinkpad w500 notebook, any ideas?
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07:21<jrodger>jm_: cool, giving abcde a go, might grab grip for future anyway.....
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07:26<kashif>i am trying http://localhost/~username --> /home/username/public_html
07:26<kashif>but apache is not able to open ~/ussername
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07:27<kashif>what i make changes in apache file
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07:28<jm_>kashif: did you do what people told you - a2enmod?
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07:29<kashif>jm_ yes
07:29<kashif> i already done it
07:30<kashif>jm_: http://paste.debian.net/37683/
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07:30<jm_>kashif: ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled
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07:31<jm_>kashif: you need to do a2enmo userdir
07:31<jm_>a2enmod userdir
07:32<kashif>okay let me try
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07:33<kashif>jm_ http://paste.debian.net/37684/
07:33<jm_>kashif: you don't have it enabled, see above
07:34<kashif>i am getting error while trying a2enmod userdir
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07:35<kashif>jm_ : http://paste.debian.net/37686/
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07:36<gsimmons>kashif: For the last time, "a2enmod userdir". No substitution. No omission. Just that.
07:36<jm_>kashif: no no, "a2enmod userdir" directly like this, userdir is a name for the apache module
07:36<kashif>okay
07:36<jm_>not the directory where user files are ;)
07:37-!-mode/#debian [+l 405] by debhelper
07:37<kashif>Thanks Jm_ its works :)
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07:39<jm_>kashif: thank people who guessed it right earlier
07:40<kashif>Thanks to All :)
07:40<kashif>i also want to be part of you guys :)
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07:45<locklace>kashif: you have to start by giving weasel a hug
07:45<kashif>my trac has installed but i dont have /usr/share/trac directory that's why my trac is not working on browser
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07:45<kashif>:)
07:45<Dominique>hi! need help installing hp laserjet 1018 printer in Lenny
07:46<kashif>then i do for make is working -->trac
07:46<kashif>*it
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07:47<jm_>Dominique: try cups
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07:50<kashif>what i do with my trac to make it working ??
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07:50<Dominique>how do i install a usb printer in lenny? (HP Laserjet 1018)
07:50<jm_>Dominique: cups
07:51<Dominique>jm_- shud i install cups?
07:51<gsimmons>!tell kashif -about trac
07:51<Dominique>!hi
07:51<dpkg>hello, dominique
07:52<kashif>/usr/share/trac is not present
07:52<jm_>Dominique: package name is cupsys
07:52<kashif>means no cgi-bin
07:52<jm_>Dominique: actually I am lying, yes install cups
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07:53<kashif>gsimmons : but i manully created /usr/share/trac/cgi-bin directory
07:53<Dominique>I installed cupsys, cupsys-bsd and foomatic-db . what next?
07:56<jm_>Dominique: /usr/share/doc/cups/README.txt.gz
07:56<kashif>gsimmons: and put trac.cgi and trac.fcgi files on it
07:56<Dominique>thnx kashif
07:56<Dominique>thnx jm_
07:56<jm_>Dominique: i.e. go to a url mention in there with a browser
07:57<jm_>I could swear cups had a readme.debian with some basic info
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07:58<kashif>but when tried url on browser then it opens trac.cgi file on browser
07:58<kashif>gsimmons :?? help
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08:06<Dominique>exit
08:07<Dominique>sry
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08:23<Razique>hi everybody
08:23<Razique>I've a weird problem on my Etch box under VMWare Fusion
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08:25<Razique>every time I deploy a package through apt-get
08:25<Razique>it hags at the final step
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08:25<Razique>the active terminal is frozen
08:25<Razique>hangs*
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08:30<gsimmons>kashif: I'm surprised you're not just using mod_python. You have it installed according to http://debian.pastebin.com/m14e8b01b. Refer to Trac's README.Debian file for the relevant configuration.
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08:39<Flakk>Hi people, I would like to know if Debian etch (or lenny) supports the WiFi protocol 802.11n (MiMo)?
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08:42<locklace>Flakk: it's purely a driver issue
08:43<Flakk>well I meant to ask if it is already built-in in the kernel, or indeed I should seek for a driver
08:44<locklace>Flakk: what you have to look at is the status of the current kernel driver(s) for the card/chipset(s) you're interested in
08:44<Flakk>how cold I check it?
08:44<Flakk>could
08:45<gsimmons>Flakk: What device do you have?
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08:45<Flakk>well actually I do not have a WiFi card for the moment, so I am ignorant in the whole business
08:47<Flakk>gsimmons: so to answer to your question: I do not know what device I have
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08:48<gsimmons>Flakk: Ask dpkg about the following factoids: rt2860, rt2870, ath9k, ar9170, otus (e.g. /msg dpkg ath9k). Some of the drivers are now in mainline kernels. Supported devices are shown where available.
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08:49<locklace>Flakk: here's an interesting command to run: "find /usr/local/src/linux-2.6/drivers/net/wireless -type f | xargs grep -i mimo"
08:49<Flakk>gsimmons: thanx, trying
08:49<locklace>Flakk: where you replace /usr/local/src/linux-2.6 with whatever path your kernel source tree is at
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08:50<Flakk>locklace: the answer was: find: /usr/local/src/linux-2.6/drivers/net: No such file or directory
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08:53<deavid>I want to compile a kernel loading first the options that maintainers have used to package linux-image-2.6.29-686
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08:53<deavid>where I can find the .config used?
08:53<locklace>deavid: the package ships with the kernel config, it ends up in /boot/config-<package-name>
08:53<deavid>I'm looking the package sources...
08:53<deavid>oh
08:53<deavid>:)
08:54<deavid>thank you
08:54<Flakk>locklace: well I have some drivers apparently in /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/
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08:55<themill>that's a pretty old and vulnerable kernel
08:55<Flakk>these are zd1201.ko or zd1211rw
08:55<locklace>Flakk: read what i said, you have to have a kernel source tree on your system and specify the correct path to it
08:55<locklace>Flakk: if you don't have it, get the tar from kernel.org
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08:55<Flakk>locklace: oh yes, sorry i missed the second part
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08:56<kashif>gsimmons: pls check this http://paste.debian.net/37705/
08:56<Flakk>themill: yes I know, I will change it soon
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08:57<kashif>gsimmons : i am not able to find any solutions
08:57<kashif>gsimmons: pls help me
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08:59<Flakk>gsimmons: so basically if I get it correctly when I buy a WiFi card, i should check whether a driver for this card is available, right?
09:01<jm_>Flakk: you make this task sound very easy :)
09:02<Flakk>jm_ I know what you mean: I had problems with my laptop, that is why I try to understand the story
09:02<Flakk>now I am on my desktop and not yet started
09:03<Flakk>well maybe I should start by migrating to 6.29 kernel
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09:05<locklace>Flakk: lots of wireless changes in the currently recently, for modern support for many cards you need .29 at least, or even 30rc
09:05<locklace>Flakk: currently->kernel
09:06<gsimmons>Flakk: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi and its links should be useful to you. Some of the above 802.11n device drivers can be provided to your system via a 2.6.29 kernel image backport available for Lenny.
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09:06<gsimmons>kashif: Have you read /usr/share/doc/trac/README.Debian.gz ?
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09:08<deavid>I'm compiling the Kernel with an optimization for Athlon64 chips, it is ok if I'm running a i386 OS? (In fact, the chip on this machine is a 64bit from AMD, but i'm running a 32bit OS)
09:09<locklace>deavid: yes
09:09<themill>Or just install the -amd64 kernel...
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09:10<deavid>themill: yes :-) but I'm compiling because is a patched kernel (I'm testing some radeon driver improvements)
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09:10<locklace>deavid: what kind of radeon card do you have
09:11<deavid>9500 pro
09:11<locklace>deavid: and what radeon driver version?
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09:12<Flakk>locklace, gsimmons: thanx! i will first migrate to 29 then
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09:12<deavid>i was using the available one from tesgin, now i updated to sid these packages
09:12<deavid>1.3, mesa 7.4.1
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09:14<deavid>the driver in testing was slow in some common cases (and remains slow updated), but I'm having serious problems with xorg + radeon driver with this version (hangs up, buffer problems, etc)
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09:14<deavid>so, I'm testing some new changes before downgrade again Xorg to Testing
09:14<locklace>deavid: i'm running 6.12.2 of the radeon_drv
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09:15<deavid>the guys at radeon said that my card is fully supported and it should give a good performance
09:15<deavid>locklace: I was running 7.0.x before, and working good (a bit slow with lots of polygons)
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09:16<locklace>i haven't had any real problems, but haven't really pushed it much either
09:17<locklace>is there a current 7.x .deb available?
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09:18<deavid>in testing, there are some well tested packages
09:19<deavid>the 7.0.4, i think
09:19<jm_>deavid: for ati driver? naah
09:19<gedO>hey guys, can someone help me?
09:19<locklace>judd versions xserver-xorg-video-radeon
09:19<judd>locklace: xserver-xorg-video-radeon -- lenny: 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4 squeeze: 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4 sid: 1:6.12.2-2
09:19<gedO>i am using ubuntu and my microfone
09:19<gedO>isn't working
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09:19<locklace>!tell gedO about ubuntu
09:20<deavid>locklace: I was talking about the libgl1-mesa packages
09:20<deavid>radeon is in 6.9.0 in lenny, 6.12.2 in sid
09:20<deavid>but this is the 2D driver (i think)
09:21<deavid>the 3d driver is in libgl1-mesa
09:21<locklace>haven't tried to get mesa/3d working
09:21<deavid>(or that is what i understand... is very confusing)
09:21<deavid>my problem is only in 3D
09:21<deavid>the 2D is fast as hell
09:22<locklace>which version of the x driver are you using?
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09:23<deavid>xserver-xorg-video-radeon -> 1:6.12.2-2
09:23<kashif>gsimmons: trac-admin /var/trac/ deploy /usr/share/trac i created required file but still same problem
09:23<locklace>ok. that's been working well for me
09:23<kashif>gsimmons : may i show you my apache file
09:24<sylar>I am trying to uninstall a package and it gives error when I uninstall it
09:24<sylar>how can i uninstall?
09:24<locklace>!tell sylar about errors
09:25<sylar>http://pastebin.ca/1443355
09:25<gsimmons>kashif: You can provide it on a pastebin. Did you set the execution bit on the relevant CGI file? (e.g. chmod +x trac.cgi)
09:26<locklace>sylar: for god's sake man, use aptitude, not dpkg
09:27<sylar>locklace, tell me what to do
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09:27<chantanito>hi
09:27<locklace>sylar: you should be using aptitude for all your package management
09:28<sylar>locklace, aptitude sometime sucks
09:28<felixd>...
09:28<kashif>gsimmons: http://paste.debian.net/37711/
09:29<sylar>locklace, like when it decides on its own to upgrade every upgradable * on u'r system
09:29<themill>Why are you using sid?
09:30<sylar>locklace, and then removes some stuff it thinks u don't need, and u do need it
09:30<themill>sylar: /msg dpkg unmarkauto
09:30<themill>sylar: it would be better to learn how to use the package manager rather than grumbling about it
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09:30<sylar>themill, i use synaptic
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09:31<themill>which should have exactly the same behaviour in sid
09:31<sylar>themill, I have this problem with one package i got from a developer
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09:32<themill>sylar: so you're not even using the openais-legacy package that's currently in sid?
09:33<locklace>themill: is synaptic going to be kept in sync with aptitude wrt package-handling logic?
09:33<themill>locklace: it should be. All of that (except "hold") is now within libapt
09:33<tetrimino>can anyone link me to a guide that fixes linux-kernel headers thingies - so i can get my nvidiadriver working
09:33<locklace>cool
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09:34<gsimmons>kashif: How exactly are you intending to configure Trac? Via CGI or mod_python?
09:35<sylar>themill, i got my package from deb http://people.debian.org/~madkiss/ha/lenny/i386/ ./
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09:35<kashif>gsimmons: i take tutorial guide
09:36<kashif>be back
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09:37<sylar>themill, what do u mean by "same behaviour in sid"?
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09:38<themill>sylar: try editing the postrm for that package so that it's just "userdel -f" rather than "userdel -rf" and see if that helps.
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09:45<sylar>themill, how can I edit the file inside the deb archive?
09:46<themill>you don't need to, the postrm that is executed is already on your machine
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09:46<themill>see /var/lib/dpkg/info/$packagename.postrm
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09:49<sylar>themill, didn't help
09:50<Lenhix>Hello. Does somebody know how the package for ApacheBench is named in Debian?
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09:51<themill>sylar: can you pastebin the output of "ls -lR /var/lib/openais"
09:51<Gathond>Lenhix: apache2-utils
09:51<themill>Lenhix: "apt-cache search apache bench" might help
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09:52<sylar>themill, i think maybe it did help
09:52<sylar>themill, it just revert after apt-get install
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09:57<logdaddy>test out
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10:01<sylar>themill, do u understand that openais ?
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10:01<sylar>themill, I have "do_lrm_control: Failed to sign on to the LRM 4 (30 max) times"
10:02<themill>sylar: nope. BTW you might like to tell the maintainer that using userdel -r after he's removed $HOME seems to cause that problem.
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10:03<sylar>themill, I tell
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10:03<sylar>themill, thanks btw
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10:33<deavid>I can't boot with my compiled kernel :( someone can help me?
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10:34<deavid>I compiled a patched version of it with "make && make modules_install install", and created a initramdisk with update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.29-radeon
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10:34<deavid>when it starts, it seems to be loading all... but it stops when reading the hard disk
10:34<deavid>it says nothing that seems an error
10:34<deavid>is after loading the initrd
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10:35<deavid>May I've created a wrong initrd ?
10:36<locklace>deavid: that's not a great way to install a custom kernel
10:37<locklace>deavid: a better way is to use the make-kpkg utility (part of the "kernel-package" package) to make a .deb out of the kernel
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10:37<locklace>that said, several people have reported problems with recent kernel-package producing unbootable systems, not sure what's up with that
10:37<kop>What's the debian way to set static routes to non-locally connected networks?
10:37<locklace>it has been working fine for me but i don't use initrd
10:38<locklace>kop: man ip
10:38<kop>locklace : That's fine, but where is the config stored?
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10:38<locklace>kop: wherever you want
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10:39<kop>locklace : So, there is no standard way?
10:39<locklace>kop: probably best is to put it in /etc/network/if-up.d
10:39<jslima>JONAS SANTANA LIMA
10:39<kop>locklace : That makes sense, thanks.
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10:42<jesperj>Is there any player for audiobook format DAISY in Debian? I can not find anything when I search for daisy with apt-cache / aptitude search on lenny atleast...
10:42<jesperj>thanks
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10:44<locklace>jesperj: http://lists.debian.org/debian-edu/2008/03/msg00049.html
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10:48<netdata>join d house
10:49<simNIX>hello - I'm wordering what the recomended aproach to having several isolated (jailed?) Debian Lenny's on one box on top of Debian Lenny ? I'd like for instance my mail server and my webserver run in 'seperate machines' on one box - That way if needed I can shutdown the mail server, rsync it's directory over to another Debain box and restart it ..
10:49<simNIX>xen maybe or are other solutions more recomended / easyer / lighter ?
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10:50<jesperj>locklace: ok thanks. doesnt seem to be ready atm then.
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10:50<locklace>simNIX: kvm
10:51<simNIX>new one 2 me - ill give it a a google - tnx 4 sugestion
10:52<kop>locklace : Ya know, for my purposes may as well just put the ip route command in an 'up' command in the interfaces file.
10:52<simNIX>a vm in kernel - cool - I realy like Linux :)
10:53<locklace>!tell simNIX about kvm
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11:31<Flakk>Hello people I am upgrading from etch to lenny by Internet, and received a message that kdm wdm xdm displays must be restarted manually. I suppose I just say OK, and finish the upgrade (this is the "safe-upgrade" stage). Right? and what do I do afterwards? - Thanks!
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11:32<EmleyMoor>Flakk: Are you upgrading in an X session?
11:32<Flakk>gnome
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11:32<legnaleurc_>\/etc/init.d/kdm restart
11:33<legnaleurc_>or simply reboot
11:33<EmleyMoor>I don't know what happens for sure but let it finish then reboot as there's likely a new kernel
11:33<Flakk>ok, doing
11:34<themill>Flakk: you are following the instructions in the release notes, aren't you?
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11:35<Flakk>themill: I follow just the procedure indicated by dpkg - I guess these are not exactly the release notes
11:35<themill>that's right. dpkg says "read the release notes" too...
11:36<themill>Of particular relevance is section 4.1.4: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrade-preparations
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11:37<Flakk>themill: hmm yes it says I should not upgrade from gdm session...
11:37<themill>quite
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11:37<Flakk>that is what I am doing now - so waiting for the quick crash
11:37<themill>upgrading over a connection managed by networkmanager is pretty problematic too (which didn't make it into the release notes)
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11:38<themill>Flakk: you can get away with it, but each time you are prompted to restart services, don't restart gdm or you'll have a lot of fun fixing it up later
11:40<Flakk>hmm - he says exim4 could not be restarted - and I should restart it manually
11:41<themill>Flakk: you can hopefully ignore all these warnings for the time being and just deal with them all at the end. (you might need to dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config after you're rebooted into lenny at the end)
11:41<Flakk>what is exim4 good for?
11:41<EmleyMoor>It's the mail service
11:41<themill>!exim4
11:41<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, exim4 is the default MTA in Debian since sarge. The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. Find more about Debian's exim4 on http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/
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11:45<Flakk>ok, thanks! so now the safe-upgrade is finished. I would reboot, right?
11:45<themill>that's not actually what the release notes say to do...
11:46<Flakk>1 sec
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11:49<Flakk>themill: the short instruction by dpkg contradicts the release notes. Actually the short instruction says "aptitude full-upgrade" - but I am not sure about this business with gnome
11:50<Flakk>in the long instruction there are many things to do - not mentioned by dpkg short
11:50<themill>Flakk: full-upgrade is the new name for dist-upgrade in lenny. I put "full-upgrade" in there because it would fail gracefully if you'd not successfully done the first step of the upgrade :)
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11:50<kozio>hey
11:50<themill>Flakk: correct. That's why it says to read the release notes. The short instructions are enough for a lot of common cases though
11:50<kozio>I wanna to ask how much ppl can IRC channel hold?
11:51<Flakk>OK so I just run "full-upgrade", that's right? I would not have asked if it were not for the xdm etc session business
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11:51<logdaddy>test
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11:52<themill>!full-upgrade
11:52<dpkg>somebody said full-upgrade was the new name for "dist-upgrade" in aptitude from Lenny onwards. Remember that "dist-upgrade" is not about moving from one release to another but installing new packages (ask me about <dist-upgrade>); read man apt-get carefully. Some security fixes will require a "full-upgrade" not just a "safe-upgrade" to apply. Ask me about <why not dist upgrade> <dist-upgrade> <safe-upgrade> <apt-listchanges>
11:52<themill>Flakk: either is quite fine. if you use dist-upgrade, aptitude will just warn you that the new name is full-upgrade
11:53<Flakk>thx! proceeding
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11:53<themill>(the other reason for specifying "full-upgrade" there is to try to encourage people to use aptitude not apt-get for the upgrade process)
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11:54<Flakk>it may well happen that i forgot dist-upgrade in the first stage, sorry, but this is already in the past
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11:55<Flakk>it is working, complaining about unresolved dependencies ... (in gdm helas)
11:56<EmleyMoor>I just hope I never have the problem I had again...
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11:57<EmleyMoor>It would spend hours counting and trying to find solutions to dependency problems but never actually get round to offering - had this on two machines - only fix was to pull some packages.
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11:57<EmleyMoor>Another machine upgraded smoothly
11:58<Flakk>well if it does not go through I will install from CDROMs
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12:01<Flakk>getting EKIGA -----
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12:03<Flakk>themill: did I get it right that it was you who wrote the upgrade package?
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12:04<themill>Flakk: I wrote or edited or both the etch->lenny factoid that you were following but for the release notes, I only contributed some feedback based on testing out early drafts of them
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12:07<Flakk>i see; thanx anyway!
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12:09<wmaia>satelite tempo real
12:09<wmaia>satelite
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12:11<kozio>I think about create own irc channel can I register it or it is impossible to stay irc channel online when my computer off
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12:11<EmleyMoor>Channels can be registered on some networks... not all though
12:12<kozio>humm... but whenever if my computer off so channel need be off
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12:13<kozio>and another problem does my channel be got for 80ppl nearly?
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12:15<kozio>something like this >http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/register.php <?
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12:19<themill>kozio: you'll do better in the network's support channel (e.g. here, try asking in #oftc)
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12:20<sylar>is there a way to see history of sensord temperatures
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12:21<Flakk>themill: by the way I always use webmail services like Yahoo google etc. Is the package exim4 that we talked about an alternative? so that I could do wihout yhoo?
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12:22<locklace>Flakk: depends on how you want to manage your mail, and also how your host sits on the net (e.g. with a permanent real ip address and domain name or not)
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12:23<locklace>Flakk: if you want to you can run your own mail transport agent that directly sends and receives all messages to and from the net. exim is one possible choice of mta, others are postfix, qmail, sendmail, etc.
12:24<Flakk>This could be a good idea actually, however i guess one should configure all from the scratch - the mailboxes, etc... yhoo did it all and for good
12:25<bja>Flakk: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config will give you the "normal choices" which work pretty well
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12:27<Wes>Flakk: FWIW, I ran my own mail services for over year, and finally switched to google-apps-for-my-domain because it was more convenient and they do a good job
12:27<Wes>But I'll never outsource my DNS
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12:28<Flakk>locklace: I guess I have a perm IP adress, although no idea whetehr it is real or not, anyway i have every time the same sequence of 4 numbers if i do /whois
12:29<Wes>flak: if it starts with 192.168, 172, or 10 it's not real. You may still have inbound port 25 blocked by your ISP if it's a residential account.
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12:29<edwin_>D
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12:29<Flakk>what do you mean finally by "real"? :)
12:30<Wes>flakk: routable by the internet at large (see rfc 1913 iirc)
12:30<Wes>no, sorry, rfc 1918
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12:30<panda>hi
12:31<panda>linux is the best
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12:34<Flakk>Wes : oh you mean, that it can happen that except my internet provider nobody understand these 4 numbers, so that if some guy at a distance try to connect to me using these numbers, he will fail
12:34<Flakk>right?
12:34<Wes>flakk: yes
12:34<Wes>flakk: might be as local as "only inside your house"
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12:35<Flakk>I see now
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12:37<Flakk>is there any way to know the real address?
12:38<Wes>flakk: visit http://whatismyip.com
12:39<Flakk>oh ok, these people always give the same numbers
12:39<Wes>If the number is different, chances are very good you won't be able to run your own mail server (at least until you learn more about your networking infrastructure)
12:39<Flakk>the numb is the same
12:40<Flakk>by the way can I change it?
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12:41<marian>hallo
12:41<marian>wie kan ich mit fpt daten hoch laden auf eine ftp server ?
12:41<bja>!de
12:41<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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12:42<marian>danke
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12:42<staspika>ñ ÔÏÖÅ ÈÏÞÕ, ÞÔÏÂÙ ÍÅÎÑ ÐÏÓÌÁÌÉ ÐÏ ÐÒÁ×ÉÌØÎÏÍÕ ÁÄÒÅÓÕ.
12:42<bja>Flakk: Read this "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address" and after that take a look here "http://www.spamhaus.org/"
12:43<staspika>dpkg, ×ÏÄËÁ ÂÁÂÕÛËÁ!
12:43<dpkg>staspika: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
12:43<Flakk>bja OK thx
12:43<staspika>dpkg, ×ÏÄËÁ ÂÁÂÕÛËÁ ÔÏ×ÁÒÉÝ!
12:43<dpkg>wish i knew, staspika
12:44<staspika>dpkg, ×ÏÄËÁ ÂÁÂÕÛËÁ ÔÏ×ÁÒÉÝ!
12:44<dpkg>i don't know, staspika
12:44<staspika>dpkg, ×ÏÄËÁ ÂÁÂÕÛËÁ ÔÏ×ÁÒÉÝ!
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12:45<staspika>Fuck, this thing won't tell me the right channel for discussion in Russian, will it?
12:45<themill>!ru
12:45<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
12:46<staspika>Yes! Tovaristch! Vodka-babushka!
12:46<Flakk>themill: I suddenly got a problem while upgrading etch to lenny: No space left on device.
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12:48<themill>Flakk: ergh. Try "apt-get autoclean" and see if that frees up some space for you
12:48<Flakk>themill: what device is actually full?
12:48<themill>Flakk: check the output of "df -h"
12:49<bja>Flakk: Its your machine, if themill knows I'll ask him who is the winner of the superobowl
12:49<bja>for next year
12:49<Flakk>it says: dpkg was interrupted must manually run dpkg --configure -a to correct the prob
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12:51<Flakk>themill: I understand. my / folder had 5.8 gig, and apparently it is not enough for lenny
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12:54<Flakk>how much does it need then???
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12:54<locklace>my / has 2.6g used
12:55<locklace>and that's with 815mb of package cache
12:55<Wes>staspika: Did you just imply that dpkg suffers from fetal alcohol syndrome?
12:55<ml|>i have in / 2.3gb used
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12:56<themill>Flakk: that should be heaps. But if you had lots of log files, old kernels or downloaded .debs around, then you might have troubles
12:56<bja>my / has 271M and everything goes well
12:56<Flakk>that s what i thought
12:56<Flakk>but it clearly says 5.86 gig - full
12:57<Flakk>OK I guess I just install it from the CDROMs
12:57<themill>Flakk: try "apt-get autoclean" first
12:57<Flakk>themill: yes i did
12:57<bja>Flakk: I believe somewhere on the notes it says that before anything chech that you have X space. Why don't you read the doc in full and the begin to take action on the long run it will save you time and effort
12:57<Flakk>it returns: dpkg was interrupted, run dpkg --configure -a
12:57<themill>and that didn't free up any space for you?
12:58<locklace>any problems with just rm-ing the stuff in /var/cache/apt/archives
12:58<themill>Flakk: how much do you have in /var/cache/apt? "du -ks /var/cache/apt/archives/"
12:58<staspika>Wes, no, I was just playing the fool with the bot, trying to make him to send me to the right channel.
12:58<Flakk>I ran dpkg --configure -a and it returns no space left on device
12:59<bja>apt-get clean
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13:00<Flakk>bja: this worked! it says 2.1 gig available
13:00<staspika>Wes I used the Russian words that must be recognized by anyone, as experience shows.
13:00<locklace>!win Flakk
13:00<dpkg>Congratulations, Flakk! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
13:01<Wes>staspika: Ah, that's good, 'cause niet gavooreetya pa-russkie!
13:02<Flakk>it continues now, I am still somewhat uneasy about the volume of space occupied - 3 gig hmm
13:02<staspika>Wes, good boy.
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13:05<bja>Flakk: take a look here "http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual"
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13:09<Flakk>bja: thanx I have already taken several looks there
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13:09<bja>Flakk: Then perhaps if you took a carefull one, most of your problems would be solved
13:09<chi_>jo hey, i am a new to debian lenny (stable)- downloaded today. is it normal, that i do not find "thunderbird" in aptitude? is it a sources.list problem? or rather a package supply problem with stable? thanks guys
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13:10<locklace>chi_: "icedove"
13:10<bja>!tell chi_ aboute icedove
13:11<bja>!tell chi_ about icedove
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13:11<bja>themill: Do you have your 9-iron at hand?
13:11<Flakk>bja: :) even the bible can not do this ))) however I rebooted seems that the installation is over
13:12<Flakk>i have now 2.6.26
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13:13<chi_>thank you locklace and bja! so do you (anyone) have experience with porting your ".thunderbird" home-subfolder to icedove?
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13:13<bja>chi_: Just put it there, there should be no problemm
13:13<chi_>bja: OKAY :)
13:14<Flakk>bja, themill thank you so much. For the newbies like me your help is essential
13:15<chi_>is this commun, that i have to watch out for different names? is there a place to go for a package-name-lookup?
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13:16<locklace>Flakk: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.29&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=lenny-backports
13:17<Flakk>locklace: why do you suggest this?
13:18<locklace>because you said you wanted a .29 kernel
13:18<Flakk>that is right
13:18<chi_>copy ".mozilla-thunderbird" just works fine with icedove, thanks again guys
13:18<Flakk>and I wanted 29 because of WiFi issues
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13:19<Flakk>thanx anyway, I must run now, will try this later. Thanks again!
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13:33<Slurb>i need some help
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13:33<Slurb>i need to know how to pass options to modules at boot time on debian lenny
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13:34<Slurb>please
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13:34<monoglets>someone can say a messenger with audio chat??
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13:34<Slurb>skype
13:34<Slurb>and video too
13:35<monoglets>with msn protocol
13:35<Slurb>try amsn or kopete
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13:36<Slurb>!modules
13:36<dpkg>well, modules is a driver for a device (a part of a kernel) which can be dynamically loaded/unloaded, or the Kernel's Secret Blend of Herbs and Spices, or to compile a module that doesn't come in the kernel, ask me about <module-assistant>.
13:36<Slurb>!voice chat
13:36<dpkg>well, voice chat is Yahoo! Voice Chat: http://phpaint.sourceforge.net/pyvoicechat/index_gyache.html
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13:37<monoglets>Slurb: i tried but cant do
13:37<Slurb>on wich one?
13:37<Slurb>which*
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13:46<azeem>I have a amd64 machine and try run a 64bit OS with vmplayer, yet it tells me there's no hardware support (and the OS installer says I'd try to run it on a 32bit machine)
13:46<azeem>is that expected
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13:48<locklace>azeem: are both your kernel and userland 64-bit
13:50<chi_>hey guys, i have ICH9R sound device - it is not working on a clean new lenny. dmesg does not report anything... how do i find why it is not working?
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13:51<locklace>chi_: anything if you "cat /proc/asound/cards"?
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13:52<chi_>locklace: yes, an HDA-Intel entry with an associated IRQ
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13:53<locklace>chi_: run "alsamixer" and increase volumes and mute/unmute channels
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13:54<sylar>how can i get sid package without adding sid to my source list?
13:54<chi_>locklace: on alsamixer "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory"
13:54<locklace>sylar: download the package manually and install it with dpkg -i
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13:55<gsimmons>chi_: Is your user in the audio group?
13:55<locklace>chi_: paste output of "aplay -L" (http://paste.debian.net/)
13:56<locklace>chi_: and yeah, run all of this as root for now
13:56<chi_>locklace: no output... yeah, i had to play around with users... i will add myself to audio group if not done... just a moment
13:57<sylar>locklace, how do I download manually? via web browser?
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13:58<locklace>sylar: sure. http://packages.debian.org
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13:59<azeem>locklace: yes
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13:59<chi_>hey, what is the adm (admin i guess) and bin group about? - should i add my main user there too?
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14:02<eightyeight>i installed a base system, git an aptitude install xfce4, and it seems that many icons are missing from the menu, and elswhere. what can i do to fix this?
14:02<locklace>azeem: can you paste output of running ldd on your vmplayer
14:03<eightyeight>also, thegtk widget set is awfully gtk1-ish. anyway to get the clean gtk2 widgets? i've install gtk2-engines-xfce4
14:03<eightyeight>*installed
14:03<gsimmons>!tell chi_ -about groups
14:03<azeem>/usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmplayer: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, stripped
14:03<azeem>locklace: why do you need ldd?
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14:04<azeem>http://paste.debian.net/37745/
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14:07<locklace>azeem: ok. there are some "not found"s there but guess there's an LD_LIBRARY_PATH getting set at runtime. anyway, your setup seems fine to me, so no, don't see why it should be throwing you a no 64-bit error.
14:07<locklace>azeem: maybe try strace, but it's not going to be pretty
14:07<azeem>I know it's 64bit
14:08<azeem>well, I create the vmx via some webform
14:08<azeem>created*
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14:09<azeem>maybe it's a limitation of vmplayer
14:09<azeem>though I find that hard to believe
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14:09<gsimmons>eightyeight: Which Xfce version is installed? (dpkg -l xfce4)
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14:10<sap>hi, what determines the name of a nic? ie, my wired nic is called eth1 and i want it to be called eth0.
14:10<eightyeight>gsimmons: 4.6.1.1
14:10<chi2>okay, audio problems were about group issues! but how to ask the bot for things? i want to ask about "desktop-groups"
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14:10<locklace>azeem: or just something tickling a bug in it. would be interesting to see an strace around the error if it's easy to localise
14:10<azeem>"You have configured this virtual machine to use a 64-bit guest operating system. However, this host is not capable of running 64-bit virtual machines or this virtual machine has 64-bit support disabled."
14:10<gsimmons>eightyeight: See Debian bug #526171.
14:10<azeem>that is the message from vmplayer
14:10<locklace>sap: udev
14:11<dkr>sap: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
14:11<sap>locklace, dkr: thanks
14:11<locklace>azeem: heh, nice: "this error could be due either to this, or to this other completely unrelated thing"
14:11<eightyeight>gsimmons: thx. any help and making it less gtk1 and more gtk2?
14:12<gsimmons>eightyeight: No idea, sorry.
14:12<locklace>azeem: so if your host checks out, which it seems to, maybe "this virtual machine has 64-bit support disabled" (unless you know for certain that it doesn't)
14:12<chi2>!tell chi2 about desktopgroups
14:12<gsimmons>!tell chi2 -about selftell
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14:13<chi2>!selftell chi2 -about desktopgroups
14:13<locklace>awesome.
14:13<chi2>gsimmons: did not work - got nothing told
14:13<bja>!tell chi2 about selftell
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14:14<chi2>still... nothing?
14:14<locklace>azeem: can you get another vm image from somewhere that is definitely 64-bit and try that?
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14:16<bja>chi2: Look at the message from dpkg
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14:16<eightyeight>gsimmons: nm. xfce4-icon-theme fixed both the missing icons and the gtk1 ugliness
14:16<azeem>locklace: looks like it really needs VT to run 64bit guest, bugger
14:17<azeem>according to http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1901
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14:17<chi2>bja: hehe i mixed up the windows sry
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14:18<locklace>azeem: yeah, was going to ask if you had vt enabled. there's actually a vmware thing called guest64check which is supposed to tell you whether your system is capable, not sure if you have that or not
14:19<azeem>well, it tells me I don't have VT
14:19<azeem>"Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4600 @ 2.40GHz"
14:20<bja>azeem: Non pun intended, my lap had it disabled from the bios Have you checked yours?
14:20<azeem>bja: wouldn't it still be in /proc/cpuinfo then?
14:20<bja>azeem: It should be there
14:21<azeem>it's not
14:21<azeem>bloody Dell
14:21<bja>Welcome to the club
14:21<locklace>azeem: that cpu definitely doesn't have vt
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14:22<azeem>blah
14:22<Gathond>http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLA94
14:22<Gathond>agrees
14:23<URIhelpdesk>hey guys, quick question. When I try to upgrade one of our debian LAMP servers I'm getting the following error message; The following packages have unmet dependencies:
14:23<URIhelpdesk> libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.9-4) but 2.9-12 is installed
14:23<URIhelpdesk>E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
14:23<URIhelpdesk>sorry about the IM format haha, didn't copy/paste right
14:24<locklace>URIhelpdesk: what version of debian? paste your sources.list
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14:27<URIhelpdesk>alright hold up
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14:29<chi2>okay, but what group of the debian system is allowed to logout in my KDE environment? my system just fades to blackscreen when logging out,... should be a user problem as well, since everything else was a user/group problem...
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14:32<URIhelpdesk>locklace: I'm running lenny 2.6.26-1-686 and my sources list is as follows: # deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main
14:32<URIhelpdesk>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main
14:32<URIhelpdesk>deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main
14:32<URIhelpdesk>deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main
14:32<URIhelpdesk>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main
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14:32<locklace>!tell URIhelpdesk about paste
14:33<URIhelpdesk>haha that would be helpful
14:33<locklace>URIhelpdesk: you're not running lenny anymore. are you in the middle of a lenny->squeeze upgrade?
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14:34<URIhelpdesk>sorry thats what I mean, im running squeeze/sid
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14:34<locklace>which one
14:35<locklace>judd versions libc6-i686
14:35<judd>locklace: libc6-i686 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-12 sid: 2.9-13
14:36<URIhelpdesk>hmm. should my debian_version file says squeeze/sid
14:36<URIhelpdesk>say*
14:36<locklace>yes, that's fine
14:36<locklace>question is whether you have any sid/unstable entries in your sources.list
14:37<URIhelpdesk>should i re-paste my sources.list? this time the correct way? :)
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14:37<locklace>that would be helpful
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14:38<EmleyMoor>Does Win7 need network settings other than user mode under kvm?
14:38<URIhelpdesk>http://paste.debian.net/37747
14:39<vesko>hi
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14:39<Golgeo>Hi all
14:39<vesko>you from where?
14:40<locklace>URIhelpdesk: ok, that's fine. so what happens when you do "aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade"?
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14:40<Crak>hi
14:40<URIhelpdesk>aptitude update works fine
14:40<URIhelpdesk>hm. upgrade is working at the moment give me a second
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14:41<Crak>does anyone had problems with svn on sid? svn: OPTIONS of 'https://forja.rediris.es/svn/cusl3-tucan/trunk': could not connect to server (https://forja.rediris.es) ?
14:41<Golgeo>Although not a Debian question, there simply is no place else to ask: Is there an option to use ethernet channel bonding on Windows (know it will work on Debian) and specificly the active-backup mode?
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14:41<Crak>i can connect with web browser, but not from svn
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14:42<Crak>svn, version 1.5.6 (r36142)
14:42<dkr>Golgeo: yeah, there are no windows resources online at all... if you are blind 2 year old
14:42<URIhelpdesk>locklace: aptitude safe-upgrade worked fine. but apt-get upgrade is returning the original error
14:42<locklace>URIhelpdesk: don't use apt-get, use aptitude
14:42<locklace>URIhelpdesk: now that that's done, also do an "aptitude full-upgrade"
14:43<URIhelpdesk>okay it worked fine
14:43<Golgeo>dkr: between asking and reading is a difference: Basicly asking for a pointer to some online resources or keywords for which to look with
14:43<locklace>!congratulate URIhelpdesk
14:43<dpkg>Good show URIhelpdesk, you did it!
14:43<locklace>!tell URIhelpdesk about why aptitude
14:43<URIhelpdesk>so just ignore that error message? Sorry our server admin kind of left in a hurry and i was thrown into this haha im learning this slowly but surely
14:44<URIhelpdesk>thank you for your help
14:44<URIhelpdesk>it's much appreciated
14:44<locklace>URIhelpdesk: what version of libc6-i686 do you have now? ("apt-cache policy libc6-i686")
14:47<URIhelpdesk>http://paste.debian.net/37748
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14:48<m2rt>whooooops
14:48<URIhelpdesk>this is most of the output from the aptitude-upgrade, i may have spoken too soon: http://paste.debian.net/37749
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14:49<locklace>URIhelpdesk: those errors indicate that you have some other package management process running, like apt-get or synaptic
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14:50<URIhelpdesk>hmm.
14:50<URIhelpdesk>i tried to kill the processes that were previously using the directory
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14:51<locklace>URIhelpdesk: run "ps axww | less" and look through the output to see what else might be causing problems
14:51<Golgeo>Found the keyword: "teaming" :-)
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14:52<URIhelpdesk>locklace: okay, what exactly am i looking for here?
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14:52<locklace>URIhelpdesk: any sort of package management process: dpkg, apt*, synaptic, etc.
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14:56<URIhelpdesk>locklace: so I'm killing any of these processes that are running with those keywords in them?
14:56<locklace>URIhelpdesk: i'm asking you if there is anything like that running
14:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 414] by debhelper
14:57<Morphine>Åñòü êòî íèáóäü èç Ðîññèè?
14:57<wesleyevangelista>wesyavajelitaanaujo
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14:57<locklace>!ru
14:57<URIhelpdesk>/usr/bin/perl -w /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.postinst configure 2.9-4
14:57<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
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14:58<locklace>URIhelpdesk: ok, kill that. is it the only one?
14:59<URIhelpdesk>theres one really long one, starts off whiptail --backtitle Package configuration...
15:00<URIhelpdesk>it mentions configuring libc6 in it
15:00<locklace>URIhelpdesk: that's a program that displays dialog boxes to a user. so it's like there's some package session running on some other terminal
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15:00<locklace>URIhelpdesk: anyway, kill it
15:00<URIhelpdesk>okay
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15:01*EmleyMoor has become annoyed enough with Win7 already!
15:01<locklace>URIhelpdesk: once there are no more package processes, re-run "aptitude full-upgrade"
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15:02<menoik>Hi all
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15:02<menoik>anyone use blackBox as Windowsmanager?
15:02<locklace>!anyone
15:02<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> <search>, or <htasq>
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15:03<URIhelpdesk>okay, now a dialog box popped up titled "configuring libc6" "Running srvices and programs that are using nss need to be restarted....."
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15:03<locklace>URIhelpdesk: that's fine
15:03<URIhelpdesk>and it lists "ssh mysql exim4 cron atd" as services to restart for GNU libc library upgrade
15:03<URIhelpdesk>okay, im hitting okay
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15:04<menoik>How to make Ctrl+tab to switch betwen open Window in Open Box?
15:04<menoik>help
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15:05<URIhelpdesk>locklace: another dialogue box: etc/php5/apache2/php.ini is available, but the version installed currently has been locally modified
15:06<URIhelpdesk>will updating tamper with that?
15:06<locklace>URIhelpdesk: does it give you any options or just "ok"
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15:07<URIhelpdesk>it gives several, "install the package maintainer's verssion", "keep the local version currently installed", show the differences btwn versions, show a side by side diff. start a new shell to examine the situation, or "ok"
15:08<locklace>URIhelpdesk: show the differences between the versions, just have a look to see if they're significant or completely trivial
15:08<gsimmons>menoik: Sorry, is your question about Blackbox or Openbox?
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15:11<menoik>gsimmons it's about Blackbox
15:11<URIhelpdesk>locklace: im looking at a side by side representation and it looks almost identical as far as i can tell? what exactly are we looking at here
15:12<locklace>URIhelpdesk: it should just show you the differences between the two files, your local version and the new default version in the package. just see if there are any actual differences
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15:13<URIhelpdesk>lol I'm sorry, i feel like such a noob, I'm now looking at line by line differences between versions im not quite sure what Im looking at exactly here
15:14<URIhelpdesk>im trying to copy the whole thing
15:14<URIhelpdesk>but it wont let me
15:14<gsimmons>menoik: No private messages, please. You'd want to use bbkeys to provide this functionality, see the first two questions in http://blackboxwm.sf.net/BlackboxFAQ/UsageAndFeatures
15:15<locklace>URIhelpdesk: ok, never mind. get out and choose "keep the local version", that's the safest thing to do
15:15<URIhelpdesk>okay fair enough.
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15:15<menoik>gsimmons, ok,sorry and thank
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15:17<URIhelpdesk>locklace: alright i think the upgrade worked, how do i check to make sure there still isn't a problem? and what should i research further about that file we were looking at
15:18<locklace>URIhelpdesk: can you paste the full output of the "aptitude full-upgrade"?
15:18<URIhelpdesk>the php.ini file i mean
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15:19<URIhelpdesk>http://paste.debian.net/37752
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15:21<locklace>URIhelpdesk: ok, everything looks good, you got a kernel upgrade too so you'll want to reboot
15:22<locklace>URIhelpdesk: just to confirm can you paste "apt-cache policy libc6 ; apt-cache policy libc6-i685"
15:22<simonrvn>s,5,6,
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15:23<URIhelpdesk>http://paste.debian.net/37753
15:24<locklace>oops, hehe
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15:24<locklace>URIhelpdesk: "apt-cache policy libc6-i686"
15:24<URIhelpdesk>NewGotham:/etc# apt-cache policy libc6-i686
15:24<URIhelpdesk>libc6-i686:
15:24<URIhelpdesk> Installed: 2.9-12
15:24<URIhelpdesk> Candidate: 2.9-12
15:24<URIhelpdesk> Version table:
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15:25<URIhelpdesk>lol
15:25<URIhelpdesk>my bad
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15:25<locklace>URIhelpdesk: ok, everything looks fine. you should reboot so that you're on your new kernel
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15:25<URIhelpdesk>http://paste.debian.net/37754
15:25<URIhelpdesk>alright
15:25<URIhelpdesk>thanks for all the help
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15:29<sylar>hi
15:29<sylar>I am trying to compile a package frome source
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15:31<sylar>and instead of getting a module package,
15:32<sylar>I got a "This package contains the source code for the drbd kernel module."
15:32<sylar>what should I do with this kind of package?
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15:39<ootput>what's the current state of ext4 in squeeze 2.6?
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15:39<ootput>2.6.26, i suppose
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15:39<gsimmons>ootput: http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4
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15:43<ootput>that wiki suggests that squeeze and sid support ext4 with "2.6.28"+ kernels, which isn't entirely true for Squeeze, which has a lower version
15:44<ootput>I'd edit that wiki page if I had an appropriate browser
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15:46<URIhelpdesk>locklace: after the restart i need to restart apache and mysql correct?
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15:48<ml|>judd: kernel
15:48<judd>ml|: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.29-trunk-686 (2.6.29-1~experimental.2~snapshot.13314); sid: 2.6.29-2-686 (2.6.29-5); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
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15:49<bja>URIhelpdesk: they should restart by them selves when you reboot
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15:50<sylar>anyone know module assistant?
15:51<zobel>sylar: haven't seen him for a while....
15:51<URIhelpdesk>a media wiki folder we had on the server isn't accessible from a browser even though i can ssh in fine
15:51<bja>I saw him saturday, god he was drunk
15:51<bzed>usually he hides behind the hookers
15:52<bja>URIhelpdesk: Chech apaches config file, it might have changed
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15:53<sylar>i have a module source
15:53<sylar>package
15:53<sylar>but its name is wrong
15:53<sylar>so I think for that reason m-a dont find it
15:53<ml|>bja: lol
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15:54<ml|>and bzed
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15:54<gsimmons>sylar: Using the drbd8-source package?
15:54<sylar>how do I change the package name?
15:54<sylar>gsimmons, yes
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15:55<gsimmons>sylar: Use "m-a a-i drbd8-source".
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15:56<drakeman>urbinek, Hey man how are u!
15:56<urbinek>drakeman: good, and u :>
15:56<ml|>drakeman: get cups sorted out?
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15:56<drakeman>ml|, no :( no luck, cannot install my printer :(
15:56<drakeman>urbinek, fine fine working right now!
15:57<bja>drakeman: which is
15:57<drakeman>bja, Canon Pixma iP1200
15:57<sylar>gsimmons, it doesnt work, I keep getting the old module
15:57<ml|>yeah that printer does not look like it's supported atm
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15:57<ml|>drakeman: did it come resently?
15:58<ml|>recently
15:58<bja>drakeman: Take a look at the apple driver for that printer, I have the strange feeling that works also on linux
15:58<urbinek>drakeman: which printer ?
15:58<bja>drakeman: You do have the cd with the windowz drivers
15:58<drakeman>urbinek, pixma ip1200
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15:58<drakeman>bja, no i dont have the disc....
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15:58<drakeman>bja, the apple driver?
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15:59<sylar>elp
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15:59<URIhelpdesk>locklace: the httpd.conf is blank in etc/apache2
15:59<urbinek>i'm not in topic, have you try configure cupsvia kde printing module in setting-center ?
15:59<bja>drakeman: Apple's name appears on the cups page guess they are giving some support?
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15:59<drakeman>i read some people could install the printer... but with the same steps i couldnt
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16:00<bja>drakeman: It's just a hunch but I believe a good one
16:00<drakeman>bja, you say that i have to choose the apple driver that appears in the cups list?
16:00<drakeman>bja, or i have to download the apple/mac drivers of that printer and try to install it in my debian?
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16:00<bja>drakeman: option number 2
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16:01<drakeman>mm let me search for it.!! to download.
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16:02<drakeman>bja, there are drivers fro jaguar, panther, tiger and leopard, .. should i download the lastest (leopard)
16:02<drakeman>?
16:03<urbinek>drakeman: any should work, try latest and if not working older
16:04<drakeman>urbinek, thanks, but is a .dmg file, how i install a dmg file?
16:04<bja>drakeman: It's a hunch, a little speculation on your part would be appropiate, I believe you should be lookin for the ppd file inside one of those. I really don't know
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16:04<urbinek>try uncompress it
16:04<bja>drakeman: But is one heck of an experiment isn't it?
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16:05<ml|>drakeman: if what you downloaded has ppd file it might work
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16:05<drakeman>ml|, i dont have a ppd file!,
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16:06<urbinek>drakeman: mount -t hfs -o loop dmg_filename.dmg /mount/where_you_want_to_access_the_file
16:06<drakeman>well, now im in my work, i already download the dmg file, im going to try it when i arrive to home! any of you guys are gonna be here?
16:06<urbinek>and search for ppd
16:06<bja>drakeman: how long to that
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16:06<urbinek>drakeman: in bed with my tedy bear :P
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16:07<drakeman>urbinek, i know hehe, differents time zones, too differentes
16:07<drakeman>hehe
16:07<ml|>drakeman: follow urbinek instructions
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16:07<drakeman>ml|, ok, thanks, im going to try that, mmm i think youre gonna be here in the night right?
16:07<drakeman>:D
16:08<ml|>most likely
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16:08<urbinek>if i'm here... do you know any softweare that can categorize my movie collection ?
16:08<urbinek>horror, comedy etc based on file name
16:08<urbinek>?
16:08<drakeman>ml|, urbinek, bja a friend told me to download a file called turboprint.
16:09<AbsintheSyringe>so no one had a problem when they can't log into their gnome session? unstable, gnome 2.26?
16:09<ml|>yeah that could work, but it's not free
16:09<ml|>why i didn't mention before
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16:10<bja>ml|: you killed dpkg again?
16:10<drakeman>ml|, yeah, my friend says me, is not free but you can get a xtraofficial free version, hehehe
16:10<ml|>bja: :P
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16:11<urbinek>ml|: you kill dpkg, you bastart :P
16:11<urbinek>d *
16:12<ml|>urbinek: you too :P
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16:13<bzed>drakeman: turboprint works very well, unfortunately not open source
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16:13<bzed>drakeman: I'm using it, too, as I have some F$$$ printers which don't have a proper support under linux otherwise
16:14<ml|>AbsintheSyringe: some people have come here with similar issues, that's unstable for you
16:14<drakeman>bzed, im downloading in this moment a version of turbo print 1.96.4, not the latest but if works is fine for me, hehehe, now i have two ooptions, the dmg file getting out the pped file, and turboprint :d
16:14<ml|>drakeman: good and gl
16:14<drakeman>bzed, you bought turbo print? or you "downloaded it"
16:14<drakeman>ml|, gl?
16:14<ml|>good luck
16:14<urbinek>drakeman: torrent sale :P
16:14<ml|>haha
16:15<drakeman>hahaha
16:15<drakeman>urbinek, im downlolading it from rapidshare.
16:15<drakeman>23.3 mb
16:15<drakeman>approx.
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16:16<urbinek>and, back to my case... any one know that kind of softweare ?
16:16<gsimmons>sylar: You've produced your own (later version) drbd8-source package, and want to use this with m-a?
16:16<drakeman>urbinek, i know some for MS haha
16:16<bja>Gentlemen, I believe that is not appropiate talk here :p
16:16<drakeman>bja, what talk?
16:16<urbinek>drakeman:wine works well
16:17<drakeman>urbinek, hehehehe
16:17<bja>:D
16:17<drakeman>ok, let me search for the softw name,.. wait
16:17<drakeman>Movie Collectorz
16:17<drakeman>is one
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16:17<drakeman> But is one heck of an experiment isn't it?
16:18<drakeman>urbinek, http://www.collectorz.com/movie/
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16:19<urbinek>drakeman: i don't know is it that what i want, u see i've got over 400 movies on hdd and i wanna sort them, horror, comedy, etc
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16:20<nikolas>hi
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16:20<sylar>gsimmons, affirmative
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16:21<sylar>gsimmons, the package is supposed to be called drbd8-module-source
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16:21<nikolas>does someone knows if http://packages.debian.org/sid/gconf-defaults-service will be soon available for i386 in its 2.26.2 version ? For the moment, it is impossible for me to install gnome on sid
16:22<drakeman>urbinek, mmm,
16:22<sylar>gsimmons, and this is the first time I try to make it, usually I had packages and this one I got from sid
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16:22<sylar>I am @ lenny
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16:23<AbsintheSyringe>incredible
16:23<AbsintheSyringe>I solved that problem by downgrading to gnome-session-manager from squeeze
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16:23<ml|>urbinek: there is gcstar
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16:24<bkraptor>ubuntu jaunty user here. any chance of doing work-related stuff on a laptop with debian testing on it? is it well suited for a laptop? (power management & such)
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16:25<urbinek>ml|: checking
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16:25<urbinek>i sense gtk+ in name
16:25<urbinek>xP
16:26<locklace>bkraptor: sure. one thing you'll want to do is bump the kernel version
16:26<ml|>bkraptor: works fine on my old laptop
16:26<bkraptor>m1| are you mobile with it?
16:26<bja>bkraptor: Check your display driver, your wifi chipset and everything else is a breeze
16:27<drakeman>urbinek, you are a movie fan? hehehe, cause i have a lot movies too, but in DVD
16:27<gsimmons>sylar: "dpkg -i ./drbd8-source_*" , then "m-a clean,a-i drbd8".
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16:27<ml|>bkraptor: not really battery sucks
16:27<bkraptor>problem is that I don't have much time to spare so it has to work, or I'm screwed for a few days till I get it working
16:27<urbinek>drakeman: no, i've got girlfriend and fast connection :D
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16:27<bkraptor>so moving to a newer kernel kinda makes it "unsupported" I guess?
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16:28<locklace>bkraptor: no one runs testing with the kernel that's actually in testing
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16:28<locklace>bkraptor: just get the 2.6.29 kernel package from sid and install it with dpkg -i
16:28<ml|>locklace: i do ;)
16:28<urbinek>ml|: how can i create mase in it ?
16:28<bkraptor>any chance of you knowing if it will work with virtualbox?
16:28<urbinek>base *
16:29<drakeman>urbinek, hahaha, well, im a fan of download movies, i have a girlfriend too, not so good connection but i use my work connection
16:29<drakeman>:d
16:29<locklace>ml|: get the 2.6.29 kernel package from sid and install it with dpkg -i ;)
16:29<ml|>locklace: hehe, why works fine here :)
16:29<bkraptor>locklace - any reason in particular that 2.6.29 is so much better than the default kernel in testing?
16:30<locklace>bkraptor: various reasons, some important ones for laptops are a whole load of acpi, wireless and sound driver updates
16:30<ml|>urbinek: dunno
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16:31<ml|>locklace: i have a 10 year old laptop the kernel won't do much here
16:31<ml|>s/the/that
16:31<urbinek>ml|: i can;t see any folder scan option there, only manual
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16:31<bkraptor>locklace - my laptop isn't that new anyways, ubuntu jaunty (kernel 2.6.28) works fine on it, it's just that I hate how they don't want to port fixes from debian back to ubuntu that pisses me off
16:32<deniz>is it possible to transfer a file from one computer to another if one of the computers is connected wirelessly to my router and the other one with an ethernet wire WITHOUT using my internet connection? (to have the full 54mbps transfer rate)
16:32<locklace>bkraptor: .29 is a lot more similar to .28 than .26 is. no reason not to install it, it's a 30-second task
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16:32<adbix>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.29&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=lenny-backports
16:32<bkraptor>I know installing it is fast, fixing up after you've installed it usually takes a lot longer :)
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16:33<locklace>bkraptor: shouldn't require anything special, just consider it part of installing squeeze
16:33<bkraptor>I already have squeeze installed on a desktop and it works fine, but that thing isn't mobile and is text-only
16:33<locklace>deniz: you really need to hit the networking 101 tutorials
16:33<ml|>bkraptor: yeah what locklace said
16:34<ml|>deniz: yes
16:34<deniz>locklace, lol i guess networking is one of the areas i lack knowledge in, ml|, how? a program?
16:34<locklace>bkraptor: http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6
16:35<ml|>no program just transfer your router will take care of things
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16:35<ml|>using ip address
16:35<bkraptor>if a bug is marked as fixed in bugzilla is it available as an updated package?
16:35<deniz>ml|, what do you mean by "transfer your router"?
16:35<locklace>deniz: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/internetworking/technology/handbook/ito_doc.html
16:36<bkraptor>is there anything ubuntu has that debian doesn't? I mean UI-wise
16:37<bkraptor>like maybe network manager? does debian have that?
16:37<ml|>deniz: the computers are connectedd to router one wireless and other wired right?
16:37<deniz>ml|, yes
16:37<bkraptor>NetworkManager Applet 0.7.0.100
16:37<bkraptor>what's debian's version of this?
16:37<deniz>ml|, by connected i mean receiving internet from if you meant another way, im mentionning this just in case im missing something, sorry for being stupid
16:37<locklace>deniz: at a bare minimum read: internetworking basics, intro to wan, intro to lan, bridging basics, routing basics, ethernet, wireless, transparent bridging, lan switching, internet protocols, from that page
16:38<ml|>know the ip of computer you wanna transfer to?
16:38<urbinek>http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1243884582686.jpg i don't have system32 what should i do xD ? ^^
16:38<deniz>ml|, i know the ip of both comps yes
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16:38<ml|>and yes read what locklace pasted
16:38<locklace>judd versions network-manager
16:38<judd>locklace: network-manager -- etch: 0.6.4-6 lenny: 0.6.6-3 sid: 0.7.1-1 squeeze: 0.7.1-1
16:38<deniz>locklace, thaat's crazy amounts of stuff
16:38<bkraptor>thx
16:38<locklace>deniz: read it, then come back
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16:39<deniz>locklace, but why? when i could learn something in like 5 minutes if someone explained?
16:39<ml|>are you running openssh-server on one of them?
16:39<locklace>deniz: no. you have it the wrong way around
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16:39<bkraptor>any idea if the openvpn plugin for network manager has all the options openvpn provides in GUI?
16:39<bja>deniz: Because most of us are buss
16:39<locklace>deniz: you read the background first, then and only then do you presume to come in here and ask questions
16:39<deniz>locklace, lol you must not know how slow i read
16:39<locklace>deniz: to do anything else is a waste of other peoples' time
16:40<deniz>ml|, i have ssh installed ya (the thing to control terminal from another comp)
16:40<ml|>deniz: you should read first then come back if you have questions
16:40<deniz>ok well is there not something that is all on one page and shorter?
16:40<locklace>deniz: almost all of those pages are short
16:40<locklace>deniz: if you want long i'll give it to you
16:40<deniz>im also studying math at same time so i cant really read through all those
16:41<deniz>ok well does the debian wiki explain this? id prefer reading there
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16:41<locklace>deniz: what kind of math
16:41-!-urbinek [~urbinek@chello089074172003.chello.pl] has joined #debian
16:41<deniz>locklace, grade 11 "advanced" math
16:41<bkraptor>so does debian come with everything on by default? like I said, network manager integration is important to me
16:42<deniz>aka math 536 if you live in my area
16:42<bja>deniz: Be more explicit
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16:42<locklace>deniz: doesn't mean anything to me, give me topics, theorems
16:42<deniz>well im doing statistics now lol why does that matter?
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16:42<deniz>and my exams are starting really soon
16:42<ml|>bkraptor: yes if you install gnome it will come with all you need
16:42<Gathond>deniz: ahhh lies :)
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16:43<ml|>bkraptor: well most of it anyways
16:43<locklace>do you already know what a measure space is? positive measure? sigma-algebra? probability space? discrete and continuous random variables? expectation? lebesgue measure?
16:43<deniz>Gathond, its for sure not, you could check out my obsession with mnemosyne at the forums lol
16:43<bkraptor>judd versions gnome
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16:43<judd>bkraptor: gnome -- etch: 1:2.14.3.6 lenny: 1:2.22.2~5 sid: 1:2.22.2~5 experimental: 1:2.24.2~2 sid: 1:2.24.3~2 squeeze: 1:2.24.3~2
16:43<locklace>bkraptor: if you choose the "desktop" task in the installer or tasksel it will install all that junk for you, yes
16:43<Gathond>deniz: what is not lies? statistics? ... sure it is, never trust one unless you falsified it yourself:)
16:44<deniz>locklace, you must be a referring to grades ahead of me, im doing lines of regression, mean, z-score etc
16:44<bkraptor>any chance of cleanly upgrading to gnome 2.26 ?
16:44<deniz>probably basic to you people
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16:44<locklace>deniz: it's an affront to teach statistics without a proper grounding in probability
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16:45<locklace>deniz: if you can't get through a few pages of basic networking, you'll never make it through the real math
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16:45<deniz>locklace, i like math BECAUSE you don't do a lot of reading ;)
16:45<deniz>i hate my english/french courses
16:45<drakeman>urbinek, i have pending the reading of the site you gave me the last time too!
16:45<deniz>anyways i really have to work so if nobody is gonna help ill find a way later
16:45<drakeman>urbinek, when i finish it ill let you now.
16:45<drakeman>:d
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16:46<bkraptor>btw, any clue how I can minimize xchat to the tray?
16:46<Gathond>deniz: defind don't do a lot of reading, not pagewise, but some math can take hours for 2 pages
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16:46<Gathond>especially if they do that silly "from this can easily be seen that" trick
16:46<deniz>Gathond, im good at converting english into math language
16:47<deniz>Gathond, but i read so slow in english that im known for panicking and stomping the floor really hard
16:47<deniz>lol
16:47<locklace>here's a fun little puzzle, suppose a_i is in Z^n for 1 <= i <= n. if the a_i are linearly independent over R then they're obviously l.i. over Z. is the converse true?
16:47<deniz>omg lol
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16:48<bja>Gathond:
16:48<deniz>your saying things beyond me and i dont no how to convince any1
16:48<deniz>ok but seriously
16:48<deniz>i have to work so stop with the trying to see if im saying the truth stuff plz
16:48<Gathond>bja:
16:48<deniz>i already said what i was doing above
16:48<bja>typo
16:48<ml|>anyone use imdb-tools?
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16:49<locklace>deniz: just some basic linear algebra. if i wanted to shoot over your head i'd ask you to show that every basis for an infinite-dimensional banach space is uncountable
16:50<deniz>locklace, i think your referring to things im gonna learn next year
16:50<deniz>locklace, i saw linear algebra in course description
16:50<locklace>anyway, read the networking pages
16:52<deniz>lol no time, i was hoping for a quick answer but ill just do this another time since it was a game i wanted to transfer, it could wait till summer
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16:52<ml|>did dpkg go to sleep again ;)
16:52<colt45>I'm looking at writing a new MBR because I have an invalid partition table..trying to fix it. But it gives scary warnings
16:53<urbinek>drakeman: that's goot, learn :P
16:53<locklace>colt45: running fdisk to set the partitions and then installing grub should do the trick
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16:53<Wes>colt45: 'fdisk /mbr' should write a new, reasonable MBR
16:54<locklace>flashback to dos 5.2
16:54<Wes>I usually use a dos6.22 boot floppy to fix MBRs. :D
16:54<locklace>judd versions mbr
16:54<judd>locklace: mbr -- etch: 1.1.9-2 lenny: 1.1.10-2 sid: 1.1.10-2 squeeze: 1.1.10-2
16:55<Wes>of course, I have never seen one get corrupted that wasn't the fault of a poorly-written virus
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16:55<colt45>sasser worm got me
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16:56<Wes>monkey got me
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16:56*Wes thinks he just dated himself
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16:58<colt45>I'm going to have a useless heap of electronics pretty soon with a new motherboard in it
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16:58<Wes>The last PC I built -- for my kid -- was nothing but a motherboard, a card reader and a power supply. Frightening.
16:59<Wes>I have installed CPUs not much smaller than that motherboard, too
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17:00<rostayob>Hi
17:00<rostayob>I've got a question on quotas
17:00<rostayob>let's say I set some limit for an user
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17:00<rostayob>And there are some files not owned by him in its home folders
17:01<rostayob>are they counted in the quotas?
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17:02<Supaplex>rostayob: no
17:02<rostayob>mhm ok
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17:03<rostayob>so if I have various folders, all owned by one user
17:03<Supaplex>rostayob: only to the user that owns the files, regardless where on the filesystem they reside
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17:03<rostayob>what should I do to set different limits for every folder? apart from creating a partition for every directory...
17:03<Wes>Supaplex: Are you sure? Once upon a time -- a hundred years ago -- I used to hide files in /var/spool/mail because it didn't affect my quota
17:04<urbinek>rostayob: what kinds of limits ?
17:04<rostayob>like 50gb
17:04<Wes>disclaimer, this was SunOS4, and the mail spool was mounted over nfs
17:04<Supaplex>Wes: perhaps that was on a different filesystem
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17:07<rostayob>I think I'm gonna make partitions anyway...
17:07<urbinek>rostayob: quota will be faster and won't affect on existing partitions
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17:07<urbinek>and more flexible
17:08<bja>locklace: where can I read about your fun little puzzle, It became an itch i need to scratch :)
17:08<rostayob>urbinek: the point is that i need to set limits on directories of the same users
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17:08<rostayob>and I think that the only easy solution is with partitions
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17:08<urbinek>what do you mean > 1 folder N users ?
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17:09<urbinek>whad do you mean ? *
17:09<rostayob>i have a folder, owned by one user
17:09<rostayob>no wait :P
17:09<locklace>bja: haha. well here's a first hint: show {a_i} is independent over Z <=> it's independent over Q. this is easy.
17:10<rostayob>i have some folders, all owned by one user
17:10<rostayob>I need to put different limits on them. let's say folder1: max 40gb, folder2 max 20gb etc
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17:10<urbinek>so put userquota on them
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17:11<bja>locklace: I had to switch offices and I don't have the initial problem, I lost it on the move.
17:11<rostayob>but they're all owned by the same user
17:11<rostayob>so userquota won't work I think
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17:11<urbinek>so meybey group uota ?
17:11<locklace>bja: suppose a_i is in Z^n for 1 <= i <= n. if the a_i are linearly independent over R then they're obviously l.i. over Z. is the converse true?
17:11<rostayob>no that wouldn't work too..
17:11<urbinek>why ?
17:12<rostayob>nevermind I'm already partitioning :P
17:12<urbinek>ech :P
17:12<rostayob>how could I set different limits for folders in the same partition
17:12<locklace>rostayob: quota doesn't work that way
17:12<rostayob>locklace: so how do they work eheh
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17:13<rostayob>I was asking before about that
17:13<colt45>how do I run fdisk from the command prompt of the windows boot disk
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17:14<locklace>rostayob: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Quota.html
17:14<rostayob>i already read that
17:14<locklace>colt45: "fdisk"
17:14<rostayob>and for what I understood
17:15<rostayob>quotas work with users and partitions
17:15<rostayob>not with specific folders
17:15<urbinek>no, you can set quota on specific folder
17:15<rostayob>ah ok :P
17:15<colt45>oh but the command is not recognized
17:15<rostayob>so how do i do that?
17:16<urbinek>i've done this but it was a year ago so i realy don't remember ^^'
17:16<urbinek>but it was userquota for sure
17:16<bzed>urbinek: no, you can not.
17:16<bzed>quotas always go per patition
17:16<urbinek>bzed: for sure ?
17:17<bzed>s/partition/file-system/
17:17<bzed>urbinek: yes.
17:17<tuzok>hello, does anyone know, what is directory /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for? I doesn't work the way I'd expected...
17:17<urbinek>aaaaa sory, i rember
17:17<rostayob>ooook so I'm back to partitions (:
17:17<urbinek>i'was setting quota on /home partition for users
17:18<locklace>colt45: then use a real dos boot disk or a proper linux rescue cd
17:18<urbinek>rostayob: sorry for my lacks in memory ^^'
17:18<rostayob>eheh np (:
17:18<urbinek>rostayob: well linux have tree-like directories so users and you won't see any diffrents
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17:20<colt45>locklace: that is interesting! i'll play with the real dos boot disk
17:20<locklace>colt45: better idea, burn yourself a copy of http://grml.org
17:20<bja>colt45:
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17:22<colt45>good direction
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17:25<nick_>How do I tell apt-get threw files in apt.conf.d to install always doc packages when one exists for a package or recamanded packages if I want them installed automatically?
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17:31<kenyon>nick_: recommended packages are automatically installed already (for recent versions of debian)
17:32<nick_>when using apt-get it says they are recamended but I don't think they are installed. anything I can put in apt.conf.d forcing them to install?
17:32<kenyon>nick_: use aptitude instead of apt-get
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17:33<nick_>whats wrong with apt-get?
17:33<kenyon>what happened to dpkg bot?
17:33<kenyon>hmmm
17:34<simonrvn>dpkg took a walk
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17:35<nick_>do I need to put any commands with aptitude for it to install recamended packages?
17:36<dondelelcaro>nick_: it does that by default
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17:36*urbinek going to bed, cya
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17:36<nick_>what about suggested packages?
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17:37<kenyon>!why aptitude
17:37<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
17:37<bja>dondelelcaro: thx
17:38<urbinek>!why so serious ?
17:38<urbinek>k, bye
17:38<kenyon>nick_: you can make it autoinstall suggested too, by putting the right config in apt.conf
17:39<kenyon>nick_: I don't remember the lines, but it is documented somewhere
17:39<nick_>what I am trying to do is if there is a doc or docs package with any package that is installed I want this package to also be installed. Is this possible?
17:40<adbix>nick_: which release uses ?
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17:41<dondelelcaro>nick_: suggested packages can be installed automatically as well
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17:42<nick_>lenny/sid
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17:42<dondelelcaro>aptitude search '~RBsuggests:~i!~i~n-doc'
17:43<dondelelcaro>nick_: the above will allow you to search for suggested or recommended documentation packages which you haven't installed
17:43<nick_>when aptitude says it is going to remove packages is there a way to have it purge rather then just remove?
17:43<dondelelcaro>nick_: yes
17:43<kenyon>nick_: aptitude purge
17:43<kenyon>dondelelcaro: nice search line
17:44<nick_>when upgrading packages it says it will remove packages rather then removing them I want them purged is this possible?
17:44<Lethalman>nick_: try --purge
17:45<kenyon>there is also --purge-unused
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17:45<kenyon>I don't see --purge in aptitude man page
17:49<nick_>how can I have aptitude always purge packages rather then remove them if it is during installation or an upgrade?
17:49<ml|>you can use aptitude purge ~c <--- to purge all config files of removed packages
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17:51<dondelelcaro>nick_: these sorts of questions are answered in the aptitude manual
17:51<dondelelcaro>nick_: the manpage is only a brief overview of what aptitude does
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17:52<ml|>you can read more on aptitude in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/
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17:57<nick_>what formats are the manuals in for aptitude? I am trying to configure rc.local before login to do an upgrade first and have been using apt-get should I use aptitude instead?
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18:01<ml|>dpkg: tell nick_ about aptitude
18:01<ml|>dpkg: tell nick_ about why aptitude
18:01<themill>nick_: also /msg dpkg aptitude docs
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18:02<ml|>dpkg: tell nick_ about dpkgbot
18:03<nick_>from with in /etc/rc.local to have it upgrade every package on the system before login should I use aptitude for this?
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18:06<nick_>on a full-upgrade it still says some packages are recamended but will not be installed why is this?
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18:07<monoglets>someone can say a messenger with audio chat?? with msn protocol
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18:08<kenyon>nick_: running an upgrade in /etc/rc.local seems like a bad idea
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18:08<ml|>nick_: that is a bad idea
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18:11<frindly>hello, can somebody help me with a webdav problem???
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18:11<ml|>dpkg: ask
18:11<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
18:11<dkr>nick_: install cron-apt
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18:11<kenyon>nick_: or apticron
18:13<kenyon>nick_: and unattended-upgrades
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18:14<frindly>ok. i using debian 5.0.1 and want to upload a file with webdav. so i create the connection, open the webdav and copy with drag and drop the file (over 300mb). then the copy windows reached quick 100%,left here and i can see, that data are transfered in the network monitor. but i want to stop the uplaod. closing the webdav windows dont help. pressing "cancel" in the copy window has no effect. can i kill the process with shell, but which process is
18:14<frindly>it? the systemmontior says "70kb/s", but there is no windows opend anymore
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18:15<dkr>frindly: you could kill the apache child handling the upload
18:16<dkr>way to see which one it is would be to use /server-status, but you would have had to have enabled that in apache config
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18:16<dkr>you could just do an /etc/init.d/apache2 restart if nothing else critical going on
18:17<dkr>oh, or did you mean kill it from shell on the client end?
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18:19<frindly>ähm. i have no apache running. i mean it from the client end. i connecet to webdav with nautilus, now i closed the nautilus window but data is still sending.
18:19<Southern>Hi, I added /dev/hda2 to be mounted at /media/ntfs but only root can access it, how can I make it accesible for all users??? Thanks on forehand! :)
18:19<frindly>when i use ftp, i see a ftp conneciton on my desktop. but now i see nothing about webdav
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18:21<kenyon>Southern: put user in the options in /etc/fstab
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18:21<Southern>kenyon, going to try that :D
18:21<adb>!tell Southern about ntfs -3g
18:22<adb>!tell Southern about ntfs-3g
18:22<Southern>adb, I've read about it but I just installed my system and I could mount it directly...
18:22<Southern>kenyon, still can't enter the directory :(
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18:24<nick_>Do you know if there are any pay or free linux support people who can enter your system with permition and fix problems?
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18:25<frindly>has anybody an idea how to stop the uplod?
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18:25<bzed>nick_: sure there are.
18:25<bja>frindly: Pull the plug
18:26<dkr>nick_: debian.org has a list somewhere of professional support contractors than can do stuff like that
18:26<bzed>nick_: there're several companies and freelances offerering professional paid support
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18:28<frindly>what means "pull the plug" i dont understand ? (i am german with little english)
18:28<nick_>Are there ways for crontabs to place items in the forground when needed? either at the current console or a certain console?
18:28<bja>frindly: Pull the network plug
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18:29<bja>frindly: If you don't have comunication, then the upload is efectively stoped.
18:29<bja>frindly: and there is also #debian.de where you can get help in German
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18:31<frindly>at debian.de there are not much people. hmm when i pull the network plug. there must be a process that send the data. is it possible to find this process and send him a kill signal? when i only pull the plug, the system can be damaged, or... i dont know what happend because i dont know the process that sends data
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18:32<bja>frindly: When you pull the network plug all network connections come to a halt
18:32<bja>frindly: Do you have the ip address you are uploading
18:32<kenyon>frindly: you said you were doing it in nautilus, so you can probably restart nautilus or your desktop environment
18:33<frindly>yes, i have the ip adress
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18:37<bja>frindly: netstat -a|grep "the ip you have" Should give you the line of the programm that is doing the upload
18:38<bja>frindly: pidof "name of Program" should give you the number to kill it
18:38<bja>frindly: Or you can use top to spot a program that is doing a lot of cpu work and you think is the one responsable for the upload?
18:38<bja>frindly: Is a little guess work but I'm sure you can manage :)
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18:41<frindly>netstat... good idea. it says this: tcp 0 237600 Athlon64X2.local:32988 www.mydrive.ch:www VERBUNDEN
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18:42<bja>frindly: is VERBUNDEN similar to VERBOTEN ?
18:42<frindly>well, the simple way is to pull the plug, but i want to learn something about debian/linux
18:42<frindly>verbunden = connected
18:42<ml|>do i need to configure aptitude to use apt-listchanges or aptitude knows about it after it's installed?
18:43<kenyon>ml|: yes there is some config, let me check mine
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18:43<ml|>i can't seen find that info :(
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18:45<kenyon>ml|: I have it show me the changes and email them to me, but yeah, hard to find the config for that...
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18:46<kenyon>ml|: ah, see /etc/apt/listchanges.conf
18:46<kenyon>ml|: the rest should be done automatically, aptitude will use it
18:46<kenyon>ml|: that's done by /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20listchanges
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18:47<ml|>kenyon: thanks, i was just looking around /etc/apt
18:49<bja>frindly: try ps -AF|grep "ip you have"
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18:51<frindly>which is the pid? output: root 6319 6286 0 1808 824 1 00:50 pts/0 00:00:00 grep 62.2.86.64
18:51<Ganneff>6319
18:52<ponky>6319
18:52<ponky><- slowpoke
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18:53<kenyon>that's the pid of the grep process
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18:55<frindly>ok. i pull the network. be back in some minutes....
18:57<frindly>h
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18:57<frindly>ok network reconnected, and... still uploding
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18:58<bja>frindly: The upload will continue when you reconnect, at the momment you unplug, you wait for the program to time out, thats the point where you are suppose to spot it and the you kill it
18:58<kenyon>!tell frindly about open files
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19:03<bja>kenyon: thx, on friday i used netstat with some parameter, but I can't remember which one was
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19:05<frindly>ok. timeout comes and then i could abort the copy of the file.
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19:05<bja>dpkg: tell frindly about open files
19:06<bja>frindly: courtesy of kenyon
19:07<colt45>can you format an unpartitioned hard drive with grml? or is it even necessary :)
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19:09<locklace>with grml, you can defeat chuck norris
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19:16<colt45>okay i feel the power
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19:28<Txt_file>I have a problem with the latest deluge package in the repo. it gives me an error during install. http://paste.debian.net/37773/
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19:29<themill>!dbugs 531492
19:29<dpkg>#531492:W[apt] apt: man 5 sources.list examples with "stable" are a time bomb (patch); Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:12:01 UTC []
19:29<themill>gah
19:30<themill>!dbugs 531487
19:30<dpkg>#531487:I[deluge] [deluge] Broken system tray module (); Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:19:19 UTC []
19:30<themill>Txt_file: ^^ like that one?
19:30<Txt_file>yeah .. looks so
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19:32<Txt_file>I just wondered cause it is the same deluge-version and olny a new debian package
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19:36<shamanix>Can anyone help? I've did a netinstall of lenny then upgraded to squeeze, the only problem is i'm not getting any sound. I've tried google and almost every single page says to use alsaconf, however I don't have it and have no clue how to find it.
19:37<Yud_Zroc>i have sound but it sounds like my speakers are blown but i know then are not
19:38<Yud_Zroc>!wifi
19:38<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <rt2x00>, <rt28xx>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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19:38<Yud_Zroc>!wifi atheros
19:39<bja>Yud_Zroc: /msg dpkg works better
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19:39<colt45>grml makes you feel lost at sea
19:40<kenyon>grml is pretty awesome, it helped convert me to zsh
19:40<bja>colt45: What do you mean?
19:40<colt45>i just want to format my hard drive with it so i can install debian
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19:41<bja>kenyon: zsh, Reading lots of things about it, I just don't have the courage this month :)
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19:41<kenyon>colt45: you don't need to format you drive before installing debian
19:41<kenyon>colt45: debian installer will handle it
19:41<bja>colt45: Do you mean format when you are meaning wiping clean?
19:42<Txt_file>!tell shamanix about alsaconf
19:42<bja>colt45: s/mean/say
19:42<colt45>yes i have partion table error on boot up just want to clean it up
19:42<bja>colt45: Never mind, Debian installer I belive should fix it
19:43<Yud_Zroc>bja: tyvm
19:44<bja>Yud_Zroc: np
19:44<colt45>okay great
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19:48<netzwurm>hm. are there good tutorials to clean up your sid desktop?
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19:50<Yud_Zroc>hm i still cant find my wifi driver
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19:51<monoglets>someone can say a messenger with audio chat?? with msn protocol
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19:53<Yud_Zroc>any pointers on setting up my wifi card
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19:56<Txt_file>monoglets: does msn support such stuff?
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20:00<Vesperto>I've just compiled nginx 0.7.59 from source. It'll run, but the worker process runs as nobody rather than www. It doesn't generate any logs, it'll just display default pages isntead of my sites. I've copied all the files from my other site, where it's working (but i used ap there). Any suggestions?
20:00<Vesperto>*apt
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20:04<usuario>hello
20:04<Vesperto>Hi usuario
20:05<monoglets>Txt_file: none?
20:06<usuario>como instalar impressora no ubuntu?
20:06<bja>dpkg: tell usuario about br
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20:06<Txt_file>monoglets: I don't know. I don't use msn
20:07<usuario>impressora epson drive via cd room
20:07<dr|zed>!es
20:07<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:07<monoglets>Txt_file: tanks
20:07<usuario>yes
20:08<Vesperto>usuario: tenta no canal do ubuntu... e procura cups no google
20:08<bja>dr|zed: brasilian je je :)
20:08<dr|zed>:)
20:09<bja>dr|zed: But any personalized help is also on topic je je
20:09<usuario>ok gracias !!!!
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20:09<Txt_file>monoglets: amsn is a msn-only client with webcam-support
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20:10<pooples>If i install the Normal CD/DVD, will i be able to change the GUI later on?
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20:12<pooples>If i install the Normal CD/DVD, will i be able to change the GUI later on?
20:13<bja>pooples: Take that for granted
20:13<Vesperto>The normal dvd?
20:13<Txt_file>pooples: you mean that you install debian with gnome now and later you want to try LXDE or something else?
20:13<pooples>bja, rather you not talk riddles.
20:14<Vesperto>oh
20:14<pooples>its just a simple yes or freakin no.
20:14<bja>freakin yes
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20:14<pooples>lulz
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20:14<pooples>Txt_file, ya
20:14<pooples>bja, ty
20:14<Txt_file>then yeah
20:14<pooples>thanks guys.
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20:20<bremner>for simple blank screen xlock, what package do I need?
20:20<abrotman>did you try .. apt-cache search xlock ?
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20:22<bremner>sure, I found xlockmore, which is only in unstable. Maybe I want xautolock.
20:23<emikaadeo>how many of us are still using KDE 3.5? As more I'm using KDE 4.2.x the more i thinking about rollback to 3.5
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20:28<Txt_file>isn't there a way to have both installed? I don't think so but I don't know
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20:29<dietnews>can anyone recommend a pci sata controller?
20:29<dietnews>sata1 not 2
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20:30<dietnews>its really hard to find info on which are decent and compatible with linux
20:31*Txt_file recommends a new PC with SATA3 :D
20:32<sney>VIA and Intel controllers are usually a safe bet
20:32<dietnews>awesome
20:32<sney>linux disk controller compatibility is generally pretty good anyway
20:32<sney>I can't really think of any off the top of my head that don't work
20:32<bremner>Nvidia
20:33<dietnews>maybe im worrying too much
20:33<dietnews>i did some google searches and saw a lot of people having trouble
20:33<sney>yeah, nvidia is always a little hinky isn't it
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20:34<monoglets>how to install the video card nvidia ?
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20:34<Txt_file>monoglets: plug it in your PC and start the PC :D
20:34<Txt_file>you mean the driver right?
20:35<Txt_file>!tell monoglets about nv
20:35<Txt_file>!tell monoglets about nvidia
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20:37<bja>monoglets: I do not mean to be rude have you tried #debian-br
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20:54<k-man>helo
20:54<k-man>i'm trying to build emacssnapshot on etch, but I get this error: dpkg-deb: unknown compression type `lzma'!
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20:54<k-man>any ideas?
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20:58<chris>quick newbie question...as a general blanket statement, do programs stating that they are for the KDE desktop environment work on GNOME?
20:58<chris>or is it a case by case basis
20:59<adb>yes
20:59<chris>is that a yes to my first or second question?
20:59<avu>chris, there are only very vew specialized applications that really only work on one of them
21:00<chris>oh ok, cool, thanks
21:00<avu>(mostly plugins for their respecitve panels and such)
21:00<chris>such as KDE system utilites vs. GNOME system utilities...or something along those lines...
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21:01<chris>thanks! I was looking to download KDEVELOP but didn't want to mess things up if it wasn't meant to work...unless you have a better suggestion for C++ software for Debian?
21:01<avu>the tenor is to not worry about it and just install applications based on what you need/want and not based on what toolkit/DE they are originally intendet for
21:02<avu>I'd never use anything other than emacs to write my software
21:02<adb>anjuta
21:03<bja>chris: KDE uses the graphical library qt developed by trolltech and gnome uses the graphical library gtk2 which both are on top of xlib,
21:03<chris>ok, thanks for the help! I'll check out emacs and anjuta
21:03<bja>chris: Which is the actual librarie used by X11
21:03<chris>ah ok, I suspected it was something like that, but I wasn't really sure. Thanks again!
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21:04<chris>btw...I've just been toying with this linux stuff for a few days and it's pretty awesome...got it loaded on a fairly old (~5 yrs?) computer and it works better than it ever has
21:05<chris>i feel like a kid in a foreign candy store...don't know what the heck all these things are but they sure taste good :)
21:05<bja>chris: A few months back need a workstation, revived an old laptop that "overheated". It's been working ever since.
21:06<chris>ha, nice
21:06<bja>chris: Not a glitch yet. Hope it doesn't break today je je
21:06<chris>this computer had similar issues...windows was so screwed up the computer would barely startup anymore...I figured it was time to try something new or throw the cpu in the dumpster
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21:07<bja>chris: The lap I told you about was on the dumpster
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21:07<chris>lol
21:07<chris>I wonder how many computers linux has saved from an early grave
21:07<bja>7 around here
21:08<chris>have you used many version besides Debian? This is my first linux OS I've used, not sure just how different they all are
21:09<chris>I've got a couple other barely functioning cpu's hanging around that I just may load up with some other linux OS's
21:09<sney>the fundamentals of everyday usage are more or less the same, it's the behind the scenes stuff that's different
21:09<sney>package managers, config setups, etc
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21:10<bja>chris: as sney says, the devil is in the details.
21:10<Slurb>debian and slackware are the most stable i have tried
21:10<magu_>moin, can i add one file to a deb binary pkg like a patch?
21:11<adb>no
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21:13<chris>ok, well for the meantime, I'm plenty occupied playing around with Debian and learning all about linux/Debian on this computer...sounds like I picked a decent one to start out on. Thanks again for the help, I'm sure I'll be around in here now and again asking random questions...until maybe one day I start answering them :)
21:13<bja>chris: As someone told me about trying different bsd distros, "Try them all and let god sort them out"
21:13<chris>lol
21:13<magu_>adb: how is it possible with an roundabout route?
21:14<abrotman>magu_: which package, and what's the file for?
21:14<bja>chris: Debian is by my standard one of the most if not the most stable, but if you do not take a look around, then you won't see things for your self
21:15<sney>yeah, try gentoo and one of the less managed ones like
21:15<sney>slackware
21:15*sney is still not used to the enter key being there
21:15<magu_>abrotman: i need the ugly ICA (Citrix) Client for Linux. Citrix gave me an tar.gz or an rpm
21:16<magu_>abrotman: i translate the rpm to a deb with alian
21:16*bja goes for a pair of big scissors to help sney cut his keyboard the way he likes it
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21:16<sney>magu_: since it's a special need, you can just install the tar.gz directly, no need to use dpkg really
21:16<abrotman>magu_: okay .. and what?
21:16<abrotman>sney: how about file management ?
21:16<abrotman>magu_: so what's the extra file for ?
21:17<magu_>abrotman: and i like patch only a CA file (crt)
21:17<sney>eh? just open up the tarball, read INSTALL, follow eeeenstructions
21:17<abrotman>magu_: so you want to add the file because you want to make it easier to install on multiple machines?
21:18<magu_>yes abrotman
21:18<sney>oh, disregard my bad advice then
21:18<abrotman>magu_: you could manually extract the .deb .. add the file and add the file to the .list file .. repack
21:18<abrotman>sney: was anyone seriously listening to you ? :)
21:18<Slurb>just add it to the packaged file
21:18<Slurb>with ark
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21:19<abrotman>Slurb: you'd want to add it to the .list so that when it's uninstalled, it would remove the file
21:19<magu_>abrotman: can i extract the deb file wich unp or another unzip tool?
21:19<sney>I have no idea!
21:19<Slurb>and it will add it to all the comps you install it on
21:19<sney>I can never tell
21:19<abrotman>magu_: a .deb can be unpacked with `ar x foo.deb`
21:19<bja>chris: One thing, the most colorful of all the support channels for many distros, is the one you are right now on.
21:19<magu_>abrotman: an how i build it later?
21:20<abrotman>`ar c` ? ar can create archives too
21:20<magu_>abrotman: how i bild the deb pkg later?
21:21<magu_>aaronyy: ups understand
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21:21<magu_>abrotman: ups i understand
21:22<ChandleWEi>after upgrade squeeze testing , the command svn have problem ,how to fix it?
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21:22<chris>well, color is always nice for a support environment :)
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21:25<Txt_file>ChandleWEi: if you can tell us the error we could try to help you
21:25<abrotman>is there an echo in here?
21:26<abrotman>ChandleWEi: it's known .. check the bts
21:26<ChandleWEi>Txt_file: where can I get package libneon27-gnutls from 0.28.2-6.1+b1
21:27<abrotman>judd: versions libneon27-gnutls
21:27<judd>abrotman: libneon27-gnutls -- lenny: 0.28.2-6.1 sid: 0.28.4-1 squeeze: 0.28.4-1
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21:27<abrotman>nowhere?
21:28<ChandleWEi>abrotman: bts? what's mean?
21:28<abrotman>bugs.debian.org
21:29<ChandleWEi>abrotman: thx
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21:29<simNIX>on Lenny I'm trying to setup nfs server - I have in /etc/exports; /sharedir 192.168.5.0/255.255.255.0(ro,sync,no_subtree_check) - then I issued; exportfs -a and then showmount -e -> this only outputs "portmap getport: RPC Success" ?
21:30<simNIX>any pointers to where I go wrong are apreciated
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21:30<simNIX>(i would exect to see the share)
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21:33<bja>simNIX: Any client able to connect?
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21:34<simNIX>local mounting it on /mnt errors; Program not registired ? not sure what cousing that ...
21:35<simNIX>/etc/hosts.{allow.deny} are empty ..
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21:37<colt>just finished installing debian as primary OS. but the graphics are glitchy and the resolution is out of the screen. what is wrong is it my video card?
21:38<bja>colt: What is your video card?
21:38<colt>it's an nvidia
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21:39<bja>Did you install the nvidia driver yet?
21:39<bja>dpkg: tell colt about nvidia
21:40<colt>nope i have a driver recovery cd ill try
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21:41<cryingtux>hi
21:41<abrotman>driver recovery CD ?
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21:42<cryingtux>there is a small help i need ::: how to set nuatilus so that it opens all folders in one window instead of opening a new one for every folder
21:42<colt>yes it came with my compaq..i doubt its accessibility though
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21:45<Txt_file>cryingtux: look for somethink like "browser view"
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21:45<cryingtux>Txt_file:thanks
21:46<Txt_file>np
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21:46<Txt_file>I had the problem by myself a few times
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21:47<cryingtux>Txt_file: i want to get some new themes also. do i look at gnome look org?
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22:07<Vesperto>I've answered my own question: the path from source didn't match the path from the deb.
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22:13<colt>well its the envy script that will fix the nvidia problem
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22:17<abrotman>colt: you shouldn't use envy with debian
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22:20<colt>oh so i need to install x.org driver manually with my glitchy screen on an os alien to me hmmm
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22:22<abrotman>which video card is it?
22:23<colt>nvidea
22:23<abrotman>which
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22:24<colt>its old from 04
22:25<abrotman>lspci | grep VGA
22:25<colt>x.org will has directions for server communication for install and update but i'm looking for a command prompt......its vga
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22:25<colt>its kind of a kick in the head ya know
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22:30<abrotman>the nv driver should be automatically used
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22:34<colt>without the driver the gui is a scrambled mess if i could only just boot to a command prompt maybe it could be rigged up with grml
22:34<Txt_file>colt: what about CRTL+ALT+F1
22:35<colt>oh command prompt...hooray
22:35<colt>what does it do?
22:37<colt>sounds like a good direction nevertheless ty
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22:41<simNIX>what can't be done at the command line ;0)
22:42<Txt_file>simNIX: many things ... every graphical programm ;)
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22:44<simNIX>:o)
22:44<abrotman>Txt_file: depends how you define GUI
22:45<simNIX>or how you define getting things done ...
22:45<Txt_file>yeah
22:45<Txt_file>gui == gtk+ or qt
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22:45<simNIX>the commandline realy has more power then any gui can have ...
22:45<simNIX>... eventhough its nice to have the option of a gui
22:45<thedocta>anyone use crunchbang?
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22:47<abrotman>Txt_file: have you tried ncurses ?
22:47<Txt_file>yeah
22:48<Txt_file>cause the ncurses inteface is aptitude many times more usefull than apt-get
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22:51<thedocta>how do you guys like debian?
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22:52<simNIX>I realy apreciated it
22:52<thedocta>i have tried fedora and ubuntu but i have not found what im looking for
22:52<simNIX>what didnt you like about those ?
22:53<thedocta>fedora's wireless was garbage and ubuntu is too bloated
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22:53<thedocta>i heard that debian is a bit more lightweight if you configure it that way
22:53<simNIX>it is
22:54<thedocta>hmm now is the wireless on debian?
22:54<abrotman>depends which chipset
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22:56<thedocta>54g(TM) Integ. Broadcom 802.11b/g WLAN & Bluetooth
22:56<simNIX>if you want light download netinstall iso and during install only select base sytem - be ware then no desktop - lets say you want gnome then after 1st boot do "aptitude install gnome xorg"
22:56<thedocta>yeah i dont mind the terminal its alot of fun poking around on command line stuff
22:57<simNIX>with that "aptitude install gnome xorg" you will have a full blown desktop, just light on the installed programs
22:57<simNIX>(if desktop is requested)
22:58<thedocta>yeah all i need is firefox and flash basically
22:58<simNIX>for flash I add backport repository and install flash-plugin-nonfree
22:58<thedocta>i can make do with MOC for music which i actually like alot
22:59<thedocta>is that different than the one you get from the adobe website?
22:59<simNIX>I like audacios for playing music and vvlc for vids
22:59<simNIX>not sure I just aptitude install (what I need) and it get pulled from repository ..
22:59<thedocta>yeah i was reading that audacios has support for conky iirc
23:00<simNIX>audacios is in apaearence like winamp
23:00<simNIX>can also [play streams
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23:00<simNIX>*audacious
23:00<thedocta>yeah i cant get MOC to play my streams, but i just started using it today
23:01<simNIX>MOC I dont know yet
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23:01<thedocta>its Music in Console
23:01<thedocta>its a terminal based music program
23:01<simNIX>I give it a google and try
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23:01<thedocta>its kinda funky but i like the terminal feel
23:02<thedocta>trying to get used to using terminal as its really helpful for doing stuff
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23:04<thedocta>If I find a distro I really like i might set up a partition on my desktop for it
23:04<simNIX>looks good - reminds me of mc - )
23:04<simNIX>Ill try it in a screen tomorow - now realy need shuteye
23:04<simNIX>tc
23:04<thedocta>cool tnx for the info
23:04<thedocta>have a good night
23:04<simNIX>yw
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23:06<simNIX>the wireless more depends on hardware manifacturer blocking Linux then Linux not being able to suport it ... Debian is if needed realy worth a small investment in a suport wireless nic if wire's not an option ...
23:06<simNIX>*suported
23:06<simNIX>*more depend on if ..
23:07<thedocta>yeah wire is an option it just that its a laptop
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23:07<simNIX>understood
23:08<thedocta>but after getting wireless working on fedora 7 i think i can get it to work on anything
23:08<simNIX>also if you realy want a light desktop maybe try lxde ...
23:08<thedocta>i dont need super light its just the proc is an old pentium mobile @ 1.6 ghz and only 1.5 gb of ram
23:09<simNIX>... then the line would be "aptitude install gnome lxde xorg"
23:09<simNIX>gnome should run ok on that
23:09<thedocta>yeah it runs fine in gnome
23:10<simNIX>but with Debian just as with Ubuntu yuo can easely install several wm and choose at login which one to use
23:10<simNIX>its more personal pref then a one is better
23:10<thedocta>that would be nice
23:11<thedocta>yeah i think its just that i never took the time to find out what i needed and didnt need with ubuntu
23:11<thedocta>that made it so sluggish
23:11<simNIX>if you have Debian installed and you want later to add also for instance fluxbox then its "aptitude install fluxbox"
23:12<thedocta>what is fluxbox i been hearing about it
23:12<simNIX>another light wm
23:12<thedocta>wm i dont know what that stands for
23:12<simNIX>openbox is another one
23:12<simNIX>and I'd like to skip kde
23:12<thedocta>is that a xwindows system?
23:12<simNIX>but that personal pref
23:13<simNIX>on top of xorg you run a windows manager
23:13<simNIX>each I mentioned are one
23:13<thedocta>oh its the gui then
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23:13<simNIX>simply put ...
23:14<simNIX>xorg is simply put the underlying layer and the wm is what you see ...
23:14<thedocta>yeah i never really understood how the whole linux thing works
23:14<thedocta>Im more of a windows guy
23:15<thedocta>but i like to tinker so linux is fun
23:16<drakeman>ml|, hey man turboprint is awesome, just installed the deb, put the key file and the printer works in less than 1 minute... hehehe, incredible! hehehe
23:17<thedocta>well ill try out debian
23:18<thedocta>ill try it on my 256mb lappy and see how it likes it
23:18<thedocta>and then ill put it on this one
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23:19<simNIX>if you realy want to dive into Linux maybe read a howto a dy on tldp.org -> maybe start at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XWindow-Overview-HOWTO/index.html
23:20<simNIX>I gotta go - happy Linux'ing
23:20<simNIX>*dy=day
23:20<drakeman>ml|, but i have turbo print trial so, i get this big turbo print message in the middle of the page!
23:20<drakeman>ml|, maybe i should try with the pdd mac driver.
23:20<simNIX>turbo print ?
23:21<drakeman>simNIX, yeah, to install the pixma ip1200 in my debian, well to get it work,
23:21<simNIX>sound propartiary
23:21<drakeman>hehe
23:21<drakeman>simNIX, yes
23:21<thedocta>yeah i did look into that byo linux thing
23:21<simNIX>and it only lets you print half a page ?
23:21<simNIX>hp I used a few printers off
23:21<simNIX>goodsuported
23:22<drakeman>simNIX, it prints, all the page, but puts a little banner in the middle on the page saying tu remove this, buy the soft.
23:22<drakeman>haha bullshit.
23:22<simNIX>aaaw
23:22<thedocta>well my cd burner on this computer is broken lol
23:22<simNIX>more motivation to swith to open eand free ?
23:22<simNIX>:o)
23:22<thedocta>hp fail
23:22<simNIX>hp I dont liek for pcs
23:22<simNIX>printer ok
23:22<thedocta>yeah i got it for free to replace my toshiba
23:23<simNIX>oow
23:23<thedocta>which was just as bad
23:23<simNIX>then I'd accept
23:23<thedocta>yeah then i built my own
23:23<thedocta>and im never buying a laptop again unless its a netbook or macs new tablet
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23:24<thedocta>which i have high hopes for
23:24<simNIX>I aslo find a netbook tempting ...
23:25<simNIX>night
23:25<thedocta>night
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23:32<sney>I am pro-netbook
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23:36<drakeman> hey im trying to mount a mac dmg image file into my debian, im using something like mount -t hfs image.dmg /media/cdrom0 -o loop, but im getting an error... andi cant mount it.
23:36<drakeman>any ideas? i get this. mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop1,
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23:37<drakeman>im installing hfsplus from apt-get
23:37<drakeman>let me try with this.
23:37<sney>what does file return for image.dmg
23:38<drakeman>i get this mesage :wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop1,
23:38<drakeman> missing codepage or helper program, or other error
23:38<drakeman> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
23:38<drakeman>dmesg tail or so
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23:38<drakeman>oops
23:39<drakeman>sorry.!!!
23:39<sney>do this
23:39<sney>file image.dmg
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23:40<sney>what does it give you
23:40<drakeman>i get, data
23:40<drakeman>the name of the image: data
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23:40<sney>hmm
23:40<drakeman>cannot be mounted?
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23:41<sney>still doesn't work after you installed hfsplus?
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23:42<drakeman>nop, same message.
23:43<drakeman>sney, i get this http://debian.pastebin.com/m36ca6df7
23:44<sney>are you sure it's a valid dmg? did you download it from somewhere/have you used it on a mac?
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23:44<colt>how do you change the resolution? nvidia graphics glitching shows random colors lines and shapes not useable enough to even connect to the net
23:44<sney>also, what does dmesg |tail show you
23:45<sney>colt: google xorg.conf resolution
23:45<sney>but if you're having graphical glitching like that it probably won't help
23:46<sney>flashing lines usually means a hardware problem
23:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 396] by debhelper
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23:48<colt>it told me to download firmware and a driver from an internet sight upond pressing alt+cntrl+f1
23:49<colt>debian is obviously not for linux beginners
23:49<drakeman>sney, i got this with dmesg | tail : http://debian.pastebin.com/d2eacb4d3
23:50<sney>colt: it usually works, ubuntu would probably have the same problem in this case... and the result of googling xorg.conf resolution should have been the gentoo manual, telling you how to force a single resolution through the Screen section of xorg.conf
23:51<drakeman>colt, im a beginner and i have like 1 month with debian and is wonderful!
23:51<sney>drakeman: try -t auto
23:51<drakeman>sney let me see.
23:51<colt>do you have an nvidea graphics card?
23:52<drakeman>sney, i get mount: you must specify the filesystem type
23:52<sney>I've used a bunch of nvidia hardware on linux, and I have to say that nvidia's linux support has progressively gotten worse
23:52<drakeman>colt, yes but i dont cause me any troubles.
23:52<sney>drakeman: I suspect you have a bogus dmg
23:52<sney>since it can't detect a hfs filesystem
23:53<drakeman>really, ? mm well i can download it again from other source. let me try that.
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23:55<sney>drakeman: some research has suggested to me that it may be compressed with bzip2 or zip
23:56<drakeman>sney, mmmm, ? but it have .dmg extension.
23:56<sney>yeah, well, apple isn't as friendly to user understanding of what's going on as we might want
23:56<colt>drakeman, i could have installed windows 5 times quicker then the time i've been dickin around debian
23:57<drakeman>sney, let me try with other dmg driver to ssee if i get the same error.
23:57<sney>oh hey, this is pretty cool drakeman... source is available, I don't know what it requires as far as deps but I presume you know how to compile a source package? http://vu1tur.eu.org/tools/
23:57<sney>it's not in apt, I checked.
23:58<drakeman>colt, mmm because you are windownized (ehh dont know what does it mean), hehe, but debian is great man really, im a windows man too, i use it all the day in my work, and a month before y my pc, but now i only have debian here.
23:58<sney>colt: surely, but then you'd be using windows. I assume you gave debian a shot for an actual reason
23:58<chealer>colt: it depends. if X already offers your desired resolution, kcontrol, for example, will offer to change to it.
23:58<drakeman>sney go to check the site.
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23:58<sney>chealer: unfortunately he seems unable to actually see things on his screen when X is running
23:59<sney>otherwise gui res-changer apps would be the first idea.
23:59<sney>thanks for your input, though.
23:59<drakeman>sney, you now what, when i see the dmg file properties in type says uknown
23:59<sney>it might be that apple adc compression then, linux wouldn't necessarily recognize it
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