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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-06-02

---Logopened Tue Jun 02 00:00:08 2009
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00:00<sney>but that dmg2img thing should do the trick, if the changelog isn't lying
00:00<colt>sney: is open suse good for a noob
00:00<drakeman>colt debian is good for noobs :D
00:00<sney>colt: I haven't used any rpm-based distros in yeeeeears
00:00<drakeman>colt, no pain, no gain! lol
00:01<sney>try ubuntu, that way when you're less of a nub you can come back to us with not much trouble :)
00:01<sney>!ubuntu
00:01<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
00:01<colt>okay drakeman. so the juice is really worth the squeeze then?
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00:01<colt>sney, ubuntu gave me the same graphic glitch is why i switched to debian
00:02<drakeman>colt, i have trouble with a printer, i have like 4 days trying to install it, now in install it, but with a paids software, so i have to find another way.. lol, yesss is worth man, i use ubuntu like a week, then i change to debian.
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00:02<sney>colt: ah, well, based-on-debian means we share a lot of bugs with them. and a lot of confused ubuntu users wandering in here
00:02<sney>how new is your nvidia card, by the way
00:02<drakeman>colt, now i can print, but in every print i get a big message saying that i have to buy the software to remove the ad.
00:02<drakeman>haha
00:02<colt>sney, 04
00:03<colt>drakeman, thats is hilarious lol
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00:04<drakeman>colt, :D
00:05<colt>sney, maybe grml will fix everything. that thing is powerful they say
00:06<sney>grml doesn't have X last I checked
00:06<sney>so yeah it should work perfectly lol
00:06<sney>oh I guess it has fluxbox optionally
00:07<sney>still, it probably just uses a generic VESA video driver
00:07<sney>which, while it will work, won't give you the accelerated graphics performance you're used to with your geforce whatever.
00:08<colt>as long as it can watch movies. i dont play games
00:08<sney>it probably can't
00:08<colt>lol!
00:09<sney>VESA is the rough equivalent of the default VGA provided by windows xp
00:09<sney>enough to see what you're doing, but not much beyond that, plus laggy scrolling
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00:10<colt>so X, the free VGA/nvidia driver from what i know, is a waste of time
00:10<sney>X is the window system, it's just a piece of software.
00:11<sney>the basic VESA/VGA driver is not much use beyond figuring out what you really need
00:11<sney>and the nVidia driver supports all of the features of your graphics card, provided you can get it to work
00:12<sney>sometimes it JustWorks(tm)
00:12<colt>compaq included a driver recovery disk...but X won't open it. says it's not supported.
00:12<sney>and sometimes it, well, doesn't
00:12<colt>:)
00:12<sney>compaq probably did not give you linux drivers anyway
00:12<colt>ah ha
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00:13<netzwurm>hi, is there a way to set all your initscript-links back to their defaults?
00:13<colt>so money is involved with no sure fix either
00:13<sney>so, from 2004, that'd be what a 6600?
00:13<colt>yesa
00:13<sney>heh, nice guess sney
00:14<netzwurm>i just used sysvconfig and that fucked up my entire boot (it just removed all the scripts after mountnfs.sh. (and by after i mean in alphabetic order)
00:14<sney>this is the driver you need http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/180.60/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-180.60-pkg1.run
00:14<netzwurm>which is a moderate to very big pain in my ass.
00:15<colt>well that's good to know! thanks snay
00:16<colt>im not sure if it really is 6600, but our superbeast grml can find out
00:17<sney>actually lspci can tell you that much
00:17<sney>lspci |grep -i vga
00:18<sney>that will tell you your video hardware exactly
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00:18<colt>okay so ill just press cntrl+alt+f1 to go to the command prompt and type in lspci :)
00:19<colt>hehe
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00:25<colt>sney im going to cuddle up with the ardious tuturial tonight thanks for direction
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00:37<drakeman>sney, no look for today, didnt try the dmg2image yet.... going to try tomorrow, se youu guys,
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00:48<ed_debian>Does anybody know what the font package is that open office uses?
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01:09<G`Afk>hi
01:10<G`Afk>for italian resident watch this please: http://213.251.174.96/video/
01:10<G`Afk>( if is spam excuse me)
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01:12<angasule>what's a good SIP client? (note: that means *not* ekiga)
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01:18<scientes>debian installer wont let me use FAT for /boot
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01:18<angasule>qutecom seems slightly retarded... black font on black background
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01:21<cahoot>scientes: why would one wont to do such?
01:21<cahoot>s/wont/want/
01:21<scientes>http://samuel.thollander.net/projects/linux-on-hp-ex470/
01:21<scientes>says you need to do that
01:21<scientes>for this hardware
01:22<cahoot>I see
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01:24<jm_>scientes: well sure it won't
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01:25<apoc>is there a channel for new users?
01:25<jm_>!ask
01:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
01:26<wmd>china or english?
01:26<apoc>engrish
01:26<jm_>english
01:26<apoc>sorry
01:27<apoc>im having a problem with a theme i dl'ed
01:27<apoc>i cant create the folder for it in /usr/share/theme
01:27<jm_>don't put stuff you download there
01:27<apoc>where should i?
01:28<wmd>I have to open translation software
01:28<apoc>?
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01:29<apoc>on another note i installed songbird and cant find it after i closed it, what folder would it have installed to
01:29<wmd>My English not good
01:29<apoc>ah
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01:32<apoc>well can anyone help me with the songbird issue?
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01:33<apoc>its not showing in Applications - sounds at all
01:33<apoc>*Sound & Video
01:34<jm_>apoc: it should be able to find themes somewhere in ~ too
01:34<apoc>oh ok
01:34<apoc>how bout my other prob? lol
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01:37<apoc>man u guys are speedy
01:37<apoc>im out
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01:38<wmd>China's irc is no one to speak
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01:39<jm_>!cn
01:39<dpkg>rumour has it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
01:39<jm_>try there
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01:43<wmd>I 'm try
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01:45<wmd>There are quiet
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01:45<jm_>well maybe try asking here then
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01:46<wmd>Thanks you
01:47<SamWatkins>I want to know what files / packages are responsible for scalable "helvetica" font, e.g. -adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--45-80-100-100-p-56-iso8859-1 (at 45pt). It works on one of my machines but not another. or do I need a font server?
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01:51<SamWatkins>if I request that font
01:51<jm_>SamWatkins: you can check fonts files to see which package owns it
01:52<SamWatkins>I tried I can't find it
01:52<jm_>where did you look?
01:52<SamWatkins>debian package search. I'll try apt-file
01:53<jm_>no no, file is not names like that - grep -r adobe-helvetica-medium /etc/X11/fonts
01:53<jm_>named*
01:53<jm_>gsfonts-x11 for me
01:55<xemacs4321>why does my /proc/cpuinfo show that i am running intel64 processor when i am running amd ?
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01:56<SamWatkins>jm_ great thanks a lot :)
01:57<SamWatkins>xemacs4321: what does uname -m say?
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01:58<xemacs4321>SamWatkins, amd64
01:59<xemacs4321>sorry
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01:59<xemacs4321>SamWatkins, x86_64
01:59<wmd>i686
01:59<jm_>xemacs4321: cpuid will show details, or x86info
02:00<xemacs4321>but if /proc is wrong is this a feature
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02:00<jm_>why do you think it's wrong?
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02:01<xemacs4321>maybe other software is thinking it is intel chip
02:01<xemacs4321>x86info will not install
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02:02<xemacs4321>sorry again 1 min
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02:04<mangkanuto>need help
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02:04<xemacs4321>http://paste.debian.net/37788/ for x86info output
02:05<jm_>you don't have AMD CPU
02:06<xemacs4321>it boots amd64 install media correctly ?
02:06<jm_>yes
02:07<xemacs4321>i tried one ia64 cd didnt boot maybe i messed up on burn
02:07<jm_>ia64 is for different class of hardware
02:07<scientes>ia64 != amd64
02:08<xemacs4321>i know just trying to make sure i use correct install now
02:08<scientes>grep /proc/cpuinfo lm
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02:08<xemacs4321>flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good pni monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm
02:08<xemacs4321>flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good pni monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm
02:09<scientes>then you can install a amd64 os
02:09<kenyon>xemacs4321: you have an amd64 CPU
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02:09<xemacs4321>i am not 100 sure ?
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02:09<jm_>yeah amd64 CD will work fine, as will x86
02:10<xemacs4321>/proc/cpuinfo i interpret to say intel64
02:10<scientes>NO
02:10<scientes>amd64, ie longmode, ie x86_64
02:11<xemacs4321>thankyou for clarification
02:11<kenyon>xemacs4321: pastebin it if you want, but your x86info output shows an Intel Core 2, which is capable of amd64
02:11<kenyon>use wikipedia to learn what this all means
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02:12<ishaq>hi
02:13<xemacs4321>so best install is amd64 or ia64 ?
02:13<jm_>ia64 WILL NOT WORK
02:13<xemacs4321>thankyou
02:13<kenyon>!tell xemacs4321 about ia64
02:14<ishaq>hi guy
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02:15<xemacs4321>thankyou for clarifications ! i was getting real confused
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02:15<kenyon>that's understandable given the names of these things
02:16<jm_>one look at the price of ia64 system will tell you you don't have it
02:16<kenyon>you have to read about the history, then it will make more sense
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02:16<xemacs4321>they need a uuid sytem for naming things now
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02:18<ishaq>hi
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02:22<gsimmons>kashif: There are a few issues with your Apache configuration WRT Trac. See http://paste.debian.net/37714 for an amended configuration.
02:22<wmd>Enter "apt-get update" after error "Err http://ftp.tw.debian.org etch Release.gpgÒÔ¼°W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)".why?
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02:23<ishaq>hi
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02:23<kenyon>!greet ishaq
02:23<dpkg>Hello, ishaq
02:23<ishaq>ya thank you
02:24<jm_>wmd: there are no source packages on security debian mirrors
02:24<ishaq>may i know where are you came from
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02:26<ishaq>hi kenyon
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02:28<jm_>wmd: actually I lied, there are - can you connect to security mirrors at all? another thing is to try again since security.debian.org is a pool of mirrors and some can fail
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02:28<wmd>need to change source?
02:28<jm_>no, just run the update again
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02:30<ishaq>hello
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02:32<ml|>i wonder why most is not the default pager
02:33<wmd>I tried,but still error
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02:33<jm_>paste the entire output on some pastebin
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02:34<wmd>Wait
02:35<gsimmons>!tell mangkanuto -about ask
02:35<wmd>0% [Connecting to ftp.tw.debian.org] [Connecting to security.debian.org]
02:35<wmd>Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release.gpg
02:35<wmd> Temporary failure resolving 'security.debian.org'
02:35<wmd>Err http://ftp.tw.debian.org etch Release.gpg
02:35<wmd> Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.tw.debian.org'
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02:35<jm_>no, I said on pastebin
02:35<jm_>bleh
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02:35<wmd>Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release.gpg
02:35<wmd> Temporary failure resolving 'security.debian.org'
02:35<jm_>!tell wmd -about paste
02:35<jm_>stop pasting here
02:36<jm_>your name resolution is failing, so it can't connect at all
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02:37<wmd>W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.tw.debian.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.tw.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
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02:40<wmd>jm_ http://paste.debian.net/37789/
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02:40<jm_>wmd: your name resolution is failing, so it can't connect at all
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02:43<wmd>Do not know how to operation
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02:45<jm_>well start by looking at files like resolv.conf, nsswitch.conf - if you rely on name servers, then use 'host -dd ftp.tw.debian.org' to see what is going on
02:48<wmd>See the output is connection timed out; no servers could be reached.
02:49<jm_>output of what?
02:50<wmd>output of "Received 35 bytes from 202.101.98.55#53 in 0 ms"
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02:51<wmd>jm_ Received 35 bytes from 202.101.98.55#53 in 0 ms
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02:52<wmd>jn_ output "Host ftp.tw.debian.org not found: 5(REFUSED)" and "Received 35 bytes from 202.101.98.55#53 in 1 ms"
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02:53<jm_>wmd: 35 bytes is rather short - are you sure you're using the right name server for your connection?
02:54<kenyon>ml|: I have MANPAGER=most because of the coloring, but less for everything else
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02:55<wmd>I 'm sure.Because this debian server is providing Web service.
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02:56<jm_>well http server is something different than name server
02:56<ml|>kenyon: ok, i set it as default pager
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02:57<ml|>i don't see any drawbacks to most and has extra features like searching etc...
02:58<kenyon>ml|: the keybindings in most are annoying (non-vi like) and it doesn't have search highlighting like less
02:59<ml|>kenyon: yeah you are right forgot about keybindings
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03:00<rostayob>Hi
03:01<wmd>Before there is no problem,but since the last time I manual stop the update
03:01<rostayob>I've got a problem with tightvnc and gnome, I connect successfully but I can't see gnome panels
03:01<rostayob>and the keyboard layout seems totally messed up
03:02<jm_>wmd: still, that shouldn't affect name resolution - you need to figure ou twhy this fails
03:03<rostayob>even the backspace key doesn't work
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03:04<rostayob>the fact is that the keyboard layout was fine when I had just xterm
03:05<rostayob>but if I start gnome nothing works
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03:07<jm_>perhaps check gnomes keymap settings
03:08<wmd>I finding this debian server do not ping to Google.
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03:09<jm_>also check firewall settings
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03:12<wmd>maybe this problem by reason of DNS
03:12<jm_>well firewall can definitely block both
03:13<rostayob>yes but how do they check them if I am unable to do almost anything
03:13<rostayob>since there is no gnome panel
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03:14<wmd>thank you a lot.I 'm triing
03:14<kashif>gsimmons : i read it but still have same problem
03:14<jm_>is gnome running at all?
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03:15<rostayob>yes it is
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03:15<jm_>how do you know?
03:15<rostayob>but 1)no panel 2) I can't even create a launcher because the keyboard layout is totally screwed
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03:15<rostayob>because I see the desktop
03:15<rostayob>and I can use nautilus
03:16<jm_>and there is no way to get to preferences without panel or what? not even via menus?
03:16<rostayob>no
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03:17<rostayob>now i managed to get into gedit and i'm trying all the keys -.-
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03:17<rostayob>lol backspace is binded to the number 5...
03:17<jm_>wow i pity gnome then
03:17<gsimmons>kashif: Did you try my amended config?
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03:20<kashif>gsimmons: how to try amended config
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03:22<gsimmons>kashif: Replace your existing Apache directives with those shown in the paste, as-is.
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03:23<kashif>gsimmons : paste where it is
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03:26<rostayob>i managed to run gnome-panel but nothing happens.
03:26<kashif>gsimmons : my current apache file is http://paste.debian.net/37791/
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03:35<gsimmons>kashif: Amended configuration at http://paste.debian.net/37793. Your problems stem from using ScriptAlias and two Location directives which all reference the same URL.
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03:38<yurax>how do i cheat the console to show the output of a command starting one line above the last line of the preceding command's output? (no problem if it overwrites the two lines, this is actually desired)
03:38<Yoda-BZH`Wk>plop/hi
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03:40<wmd>jm_ MY Debian Server's Update return to normal
03:41<jm_>wmd: what did you change?
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03:43<wmd>I was changed the resolv.conf
03:43<jm_>right
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03:43<wmd>thanks
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03:44<kazper>Who are maked first IRC application? (IRC maker)
03:45<emikaadeo>guys, what is the default tool in debian squeeze for suspending/hibernate ?
03:45<jm_>emikaadeo: go with uswsusp
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03:52<wmd>this problem I asked for a long time in the debian-zh,no one answer.
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04:02<adri>hi
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04:03<adri>i have a some problems with gigabyte mainboard
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04:03<adri>special with dvd rom
04:03<adri>debian recognoze dvd with name /dev/hda
04:03<adri>and show me errors can not eject volume
04:04<adri>model of mainboard is gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R
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04:05<adri>anyone can tell me what can i do
04:05<jm_>adri: what exactly is the problem?
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04:05<adri>problem with dvd rom
04:05<adri>a can paste the error
04:06<adri>if ypu want
04:06<jm_>yes but not here
04:06<adri>ok
04:06<adri>one second
04:06<jm_>use a pastebin
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04:08<adri>http://nopaste.com/p/aioNk67pW
04:08<adri>and more more more errors in log file
04:09<jm_>does it work at all?
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04:09<adri>when show me error dvd rom not work
04:09<adri>and i`m manual mounting /dev/hda
04:09<jm_>but does it ever work?
04:10<adri>and why with this name ? hda ?
04:10<jm_>why not?
04:10<adri>dvd rom work at ide channel
04:10<EmleyMoor>Is it your sole PATA device?
04:10<jm_>yes, hda is for IDE devices
04:10<adri>this kernel is a stock kernel
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04:11<EmleyMoor>My DVD writer is on /dev/hda
04:11<EmleyMoor>(and is my sole PATA device)
04:11<kashif> gsimmons : error after login http://paste.debian.net/37795/
04:12<adri>ok but why in /media folder have a name cdrom0
04:12<adri>?
04:12<EmleyMoor>Rest of my drives are SATA
04:12<EmleyMoor>adri: Nothing abnormal about that
04:12<jm_>one is device file, the other is mount point
04:12<jm_>iyou most likely have /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvdrom too
04:12<EmleyMoor>/dev/dvd is the normal DVD ROM link
04:12<adri>but with my old mainboard i nave not any problem
04:13<kashif>gsimmons : login was and is successful but after login it gives error msg
04:13<gsimmons>kashif: Read the very last line. This is covered in trac's README.Debian.
04:13<EmleyMoor>adri: Does the drive ever work on this mainboardL
04:13<EmleyMoor>?
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04:14<adri>yes of course
04:14<adri>but with old mainboard. But new mainboard have a problem
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04:15<EmleyMoor>Read my question again and answer it in one wordp
04:15<EmleyMoor>.
04:15<adri>maby kernel drivers
04:15<adri>is old i dont now
04:15<adri>you see the error
04:15<adri>what a question want ?
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04:16<EmleyMoor>adri: Does the drive ever work on this mainboard?
04:16<jm_>sometimes such errors are caused by applications sending illegal commands to the drive
04:16<adri>ok thank
04:16<adri>have a nice day
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04:17<kashif>gsimmons : Thanks there was some permission problem for www-data
04:17<kashif>gsimmons : thanks for you help
04:17<jm_>so more details are needed before you can conclude where the problem is
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04:18<kashif>gsimmons : how to install thunderbird i tried but i get this msg http://paste.debian.net/37796/
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04:19<jm_>kashif: icedove
04:19<EmleyMoor>thunderbird is called icedove in Debian
04:20<kashif>okay
04:20<kashif>let me try
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04:34<emikaadeo>I want to configure s2disk, what file should i edit ? /etc/uswsusp.conf ?
04:35<jm_>yes
04:35<yurax>how do i cheat the console to show the output of a command starting one line above the last line of the preceding command's output? (no problem if it overwrites the two lines, this is actually desired)
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04:37<jm_>yurax: start the s2nd command first
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04:38<yurax>jm_: i'm not sure i understand. how does it overwrite only the two lines i mentioned?
04:38<yurax>i think it's even more difficult
04:38<yurax>plus i really need to run them in this order
04:38<jm_>yurax: I don't quite understand what you want to achieve
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04:40<yurax>like, i want this very current reply line that you are reading right now to overwrite my last reply "plus i really" and your last reply "yurax: I don't quite" (excluding "nihil")
04:40<yurax>only, i want this to happen in the console
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04:40<yurax>not in ncurses or gui
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04:41<jm_>you can print escape sequences to move cursor up
04:41<yurax>this is what i was hoping
04:41<yurax>but what are the escape chars?
04:41<jm_>man console_codes
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04:49<yurax>jm_: how do i produce a control char like ^G (beep) or ^H (backspace) in the script? i only know about "\a" and "\b". where do i find a mapping between the two systems, as the documentation for the former table is more complete whereas i only know how to use the latter.
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04:50<yurax>jm_: (echo -en "\a")
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04:51<jm_>yurax: well simply put it literally, you can also use \xxx where xxx is octal code, or \xhh where hh is hex code
04:53<jm_>yurax: man bash, search for \a and you'll get a list
04:53<yurax>thank you
04:53<jm_>no worries
04:53<yurax>it only has backspace, no "backline"
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04:54<jm_>indeed, there's no such thing, you need to do it via move cursor to sequences
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04:54<yurax>yeah, but i don't know where to find move controls
04:55<jm_>in man console_codes
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04:55<Nazcafan>hello
04:56<Nazcafan>how do I know whether a package is installed (CLI) ?
04:56<yurax>jm_: great! i found it!
04:56<jm_>Nazcafan: dpkg -s pkgname
04:57<azeem_>-s can be misleading because it prints out status for removed packages as well
04:57<azeem_>same for -l I guess
04:57<Nazcafan>jm thanks
04:58<jm_>Nazcafan: np
04:58<themill>Nazcafan: apt-file might be what you need to work out what package cli is in to start with
04:59<azeem_>!cli
04:59<dpkg>well, cli is a Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around, of course Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. an x86 assembly instruction Common Language Infrastructure (See mono or .net), or http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6282&page=1, ask me about <general cli tutorial>
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05:00<naq>!postscript
05:00<dpkg>from memory, postscript is a page description language or a modern incarnation of <FORTH>.
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05:01<naq>hm
05:01<naq>!cow
05:01<dpkg>from memory, cow is a Turing complete language at http://www.bigzaphod.org/cow/, or http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/050529.html, or the apt-get easter egg which says moo, or see <cow theory>
05:01<azeem_>naq: please /msg the bot
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05:01<naq>oh, ok.
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05:29<umarzuki>hi all
05:30<umarzuki>i got this when compiling fred-server http://pastebin.com/m7e8e4d2d
05:30<umarzuki>can anyone point me on fixing this?
05:30<themill>azeem: oh... I've been doing too much mono stuff recently so I was reading the "cli" comment as "How do I find out what package cli is in?". duh!
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05:34<locklace>umarzuki: does a simple test program that uses boost.serialization compile and run for you? what version of boost? what version does "fred" say it requires?
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05:35<umarzuki>libboost-dev libboost-date-time-dev libboost-program-options-dev libboost-regex-dev libboost-graph1.34.1 libboost-iostreams1.34.1 libboost-program-options1.34.1 libboost-regex1.34.1 libboost-serialization1.34.1 libboost-signals1.34.1 libboost-thread1.34.1 libboost-graph1.34.1 libboost-signals-dev libboost-thread-dev libboost-serialization-dev
05:36<umarzuki>what i'm using
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05:42<locklace>umarzuki: why aren't you using the fred .deb package?
05:43<umarzuki>where can i get it?
05:43<umarzuki>the manual i'm using suggesting using the sources
05:43<azeem>judd: versions fred
05:43<judd>azeem: fred --
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05:44<locklace>it's not in the official repos, the fred people make their own
05:44<locklace>but eh, looks like they only have ubuntu versions, the bastards
05:45<dr|z3d>If there's an Ubuntu .deb, _should_ be ok.
05:45<dr|z3d>The repository may be usable, also.
05:46<locklace>worth checking out anyway
05:46<dr|z3d>I've recently stumbled across Mint's repositories. Some curious stuff therein.
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05:47<dr|z3d>If there's one thing on the Mint repository that might be hugely useful for Debian/Ubuntu users, it's the prepackaged ndis wireless drivers.
05:48<dr|z3d>It's a package that provides "out the box" drivers for 15 different wireless adapaters. Not to be sniffed at!
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06:10<hachi>what packages are necessary on debian to get vieweing of japanese character sets to work in iceweasel?
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06:11<jm_>try apt-cache search font japan
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06:12<hachi>that's what I did
06:12<hachi>I was hoping to get a better answer than
06:12<hachi>'try these 59 packages'
06:13<jm_>right, now I won't bother finding out which one it picks for me
06:13<hachi>one?
06:13<hachi>59 results
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06:14<zxd>Hi
06:14<jm_>no, not apt-cahce, the font that browser uses ...
06:14<zxd>I am telneting to a 3com switch and for some reason the backspace key dosen't work , ctrl-H does work though
06:14<petemc>zxd: try stty erase (press backspace)
06:14<petemc>(enter)
06:15<jm_>heh
06:15<zxd>petemc, I dont have such argument erase
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06:17<locklace>messing with stty locally isn't the right thing to do
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06:18<petemc>in some situations it is, probably not on a 3com switch
06:18<locklace>zxd: you can set localchars and escape in telnet itself
06:18<zxd>but why isn't it working by default on this switch
06:18<locklace>zxd: there may also be a way to set the escape char on the 3com end but no idea how to do it, i don't use low-end hardware ;)
06:18<zxd>what is telnetd on their switch missing
06:19<locklace>zxd: because the terminal emulator on the switch is set by default to use ^h for backspace
06:20<zxd>and why dosen't the backspace key workl
06:20<jm_>stty -a will list the kys
06:21<zxd>keys of what
06:21<jm_>zxd: it's set to ^? locally most likely
06:21<locklace>zxd: because it's sending ^? instead
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06:21<zxd>it works on other equipment
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06:21<zxd>if I telnet to other equipment instead
06:21<zxd>it works the backspace
06:21<jm_>...
06:21<locklace>zxd: are you even reading this? set "erase" in telnet or change your terminal settings on the switch
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06:22<deepsa>hi all
06:23<zxd>locklace: set erase , then what
06:24<locklace>!lart zxd
06:24*dpkg chops zxd in half with a free Solaris 7 CD
06:24<locklace>zxd: man telnet
06:24<zxd>locklace, you say it's sending ^? to the switch ?
06:24<deepsa>do we have --stdin option to passwd command in lenny?
06:25<deepsa>i want to do something like this in lenny , echo 'mysecret' | passwd --stdin deepsa
06:26<zxd>erase = ^?;
06:26<zxd>oh
06:27<zxd>nice
06:27<zxd>^? also deletes stuff
06:27<zxd>why isn't it ^h by default ?
06:27<jm_>deepsa: use chpasswd
06:28<deepsa>jm_, okies, i will try that.
06:29<zxd>locklace, what's localchars ?
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06:38<felixd>Anyone has LSI SCSI Raid Controllers? (I've Dell PowerEdge 800) and I recive this warning: mpt-statusd: detected non-optimal RAID status
06:39<felixd>mpt-status gives me information that everything is fine with Raid, but I got stuck for a while with server. I'm not so sure eveytrhing is ok
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06:42<felixd>ioc0: LSISAS1068 B0: Capabilities={Initiator}
06:43<zxd>locklace, it isn't working set erase in telnet
06:43<zxd>Having hard time mapping my backspace key to ctrl-h
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06:58<uhriventis>Okay, I'm running Ubuntu at the moment but downloading simplyMEPIS would this be a good switch?
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06:58<amphi>switching to debian could be good ;)
06:59<dr|z3d>uhriventis: You might want to look at MintLinux, also.
06:59<dr|z3d>If you're broadly happy with Ubuntu, Mint builds on that.
06:59<uhriventis>I've heard good things about MintLinux
06:59<dr|z3d>If you want more low level control, try Debian.
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06:59<uhriventis>Well, ubuntu won't let me get resolution I want and I'm also coming from Fedora/openSUSE
07:00<dr|z3d>Mint is Ubuntu with a new lick of paint and a few enhancements.
07:00<dr|z3d>(Uses the same repos).
07:00<uhriventis>I like the idea of being able to be root
07:00<uhriventis>etc
07:00<dr|z3d>You can be root in Ubuntu, Debian, Mint.
07:00<dr|z3d>In Ubuntu, you simply need to create a root password.
07:00<uhriventis>For some reason not like in SUSE
07:01<uhriventis>Which I gues
07:01<uhriventis>s
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07:01<uhriventis>Ahh yeah
07:01<dr|z3d>Or: sudo su
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07:01<uhriventis>SUSE and all the others during installation makes you assign a root password.
07:01<dr|z3d>That'll give you root privs.
07:01<prodigi>hola
07:01<dr|z3d>!es
07:01<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:01<uhriventis>Theres just something about ubuntu that bothers me.
07:02<uhriventis>I can't explain.
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07:02<uhriventis>I guess because it's geared towards beginners?
07:02<uhriventis>I don't know
07:02<locklace>"it's aimed at windows users"
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07:03<uhriventis>I was thinking Slackware or Gentoo
07:03<uhriventis>Hah
07:03<uhriventis>I can tell
07:03<uhriventis>I dual boot
07:03<amphi>uhriventis: it's for 'humans' or some such, perhaps that's what you find distasteful ;0
07:03<locklace>damn humans
07:03<uhriventis>Probably
07:04<uhriventis>I need something I can hook up to and control with my brian.
07:04<uhriventis>brain
07:04<uhriventis>Which is gone 6 in the morning
07:04<dr|z3d>Try a hat.
07:04<uhriventis>RedHat you have to pay for
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07:05<uhriventis>Unless there is a free version I don't know about
07:05<dr|z3d>No. I mean headgear. Something to hook up to your brain and control. A nice trilby, perhaps?
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07:05<dr|z3d>There's Fedora.
07:05<dr|z3d>Aka Redhat for free.
07:05<jm_>and centos
07:06<uhriventis>Fedora was my favorite for a looong time
07:06<uhriventis>I went Dream Linux, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Debian, Fedora, than openSUSE.
07:07<uhriventis>Well, MEPIS is downloading... I'm thinking of stopping it.
07:07<yurax>do you think opensuse is the best?
07:08<uhriventis>Maybe switching to a RedHat type linux again.
07:08<zhongbo>sound nice!
07:08<uhriventis>I used it for a long while and it work nicely for me
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07:08<dr|z3d>There is no "best" Linux. It's more a question of "what's best for YOU?"
07:08<zhongbo>classic
07:08<yurax>and what do you hate most about redhat?
07:09<simNIX>rpm
07:09<adb>ot!
07:09<amphi>¡
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07:09<simNIX>and bloatware
07:09<azeem>yurax: please keep it on topic
07:10<yurax>azeem: i need some reassurance that debian is preferable, so i think it's on topic
07:10<azeem>yurax: sorry nope
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07:10<azeem>please research on the web or /msg dpkg why debian
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07:11<dr|z3d>yurax: How can we know what's preferrable for you?
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07:11<dr|z3d>That's like asking someone to validate my taste in cake.
07:11<yurax>dr|z3d: he was going to say what he hated most and i was supposed to pick my most convincing points
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07:12<dr|z3d>yurax: You choose your own distro. Research it, ask relevant questions here if you need clarification. Don't expect someone else ot choose your OS for you, though.
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07:13<yurax>debian is good because it has a lot of packages
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07:13<uhriventis>Hardware conflicts between my computer and Ubuntu is why the switch. SUSE picked it up automatically and I had to do no compiling nor downloading.
07:13<azeem>uhriventis: please keep it on topic
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07:13<azeem>(the topic is Debian support)
07:13<yurax>he is using ubuntu
07:14<uhriventis>Just wondering if there is a Debian based OS that has good hardware support.
07:14<dr|z3d>MintLinux.
07:14<dr|z3d>We've told you already.
07:14<simNIX>maybe better wonder what a cetain Linux kernel supports ?
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07:15<simNIX>and buy to that ...
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07:15<simNIX>base kernel on all is the same
07:15<yurax>it doesn't matter, you can recompile it
07:15<yurax>!dpkg why debian
07:15<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
07:15<dr|z3d>Once you've compiled in support for drivers etc, kernels look different, even the same version, on different distros. There is no one size fits all.
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07:17<uhriventis>I see
07:17<uhriventis>I'll give Mint a try
07:22<uhriventis>Going to try 7
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07:35<cryingtux>hi
07:36<cryingtux>whats the best gnome picture viewer?
07:36*Solak always uses gqview.
07:37<cryingtux>gview, ok i will check it, thanks
07:37<Solak>it's fast, and with the list of images for each map it's easy browsing.
07:37<cryingtux>and whats the paint program used on gnome?
07:38<yurax>cryingtux: eog, i guess
07:38<Solak>I don't know (I use KDE), sorry.
07:38<cryingtux>eye of gnome?
07:38<yurax>yes
07:38<yurax>and maybe gimp (for the second question)
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07:39<cryingtux>ok i can check it, im trying to design a letterhead
07:39<dr|z3d>cryingtux: Designing a letterhead? Try XaraLX.
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07:40<dr|z3d>Forget bitmap editors, you really want to be using vector art.
07:40<cryingtux>i just need something basic, XaraLX is there in repos?
07:41<cryingtux>nope not there
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07:41<dr|z3d>cryingtux: http://xaraxtreme.org/
07:41<cryingtux>thanks
07:42<dr|z3d>Arguably one of the best vector packages around, on _any_ platform.
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07:42<dr|z3d>cryingtux: http://xaraxone.com or similar is good for tutorials.
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07:43<cryingtux>im looking if it had a .deb file as download
07:43<Solak>why not use aptitude/apt-get ?
07:44<dr|z3d>Grab the tar.gz, unpack. I think the instructions are straightforward.
07:44<cryingtux>Solak: its not there in repos
07:44<cryingtux>dr|z3d: yes im doing that
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07:46<locklace>```AMPHI[Destroyer]|cleaning-my-room
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07:47<cryingtux>brb
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08:05<AbsintheSyringe>anyone using fprint?
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08:09<Solak>anyone here familiar with the ATI Radeon X.800 Pro graphics card? I want to use the special effects in KDE 4 (testing), but I can't select OpenGL (though I have fglrx installed).
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08:16<dr|z3d>I'm guessing julm will lurk in the channel for +-2 minutes, and then depart, silently.
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08:17<julm>who knows
08:17<dr|z3d>Aha!
08:17<dr|z3d>Me bad.
08:18<julm>:)
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08:37<sylarrr>anyone knows, i try to install drbd8 kernel module from unstable into lenny, and I dont seem to be able to install it
08:38<sylarrr>they called the package drbd8-source, while module assistant is looking for drbd8-module-source
08:38<sylarrr>wsid?
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08:38<jm_>you can install it manually and m-a shall be happy with it, alternatively change its name
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08:40<CaFeNet_UseR>drgdfgdfg
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08:44<dr|z3d>CaFeNet_UseR: We can confirm your keyboard is working. Well done!
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08:56<locklace>good point
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09:03<sylarrr>jm_, i have installed it manually ,but modprobe still find the old module
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09:04<jm_>sylarrr: with manually I mean installing the package with module sources
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09:06<sylarrr>jm_, i installed the source package, and sent m-a to install it, it shows as installed in synaptic
09:07<sylarrr>im thinking maybe it gave the module a wrong name?
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09:08<jm_>sylarrr: did you tell it to build the module then?
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09:09<sylarrr>jm_, yes
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09:09<jm_>sylarrr: and? did it work? which sources did it use?
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09:11<frog>Hello, lenny installation via floppy disk is not available,right?
09:11<sylarrr>jm_, it can only use drbd8-source, but it complain that drbd8-module-source isn't found
09:11<frog>http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/
09:11<frog>not found
09:12<dr|z3d>frog: Network install would be a much more sensible option, if it's open to you.
09:12<tetrimino>need help with nvidia-drivers http://paste-it.net/public/w1c010a/
09:12<gsimmons>frog: No, not available for Lenny ; /msg dpkg errata
09:12<frog>I have no cd-rom nor PXE
09:13<jm_>sylarrr: but that makes no sense, I just checked and drbd8-source is in testing too, so why go to all this trouble?
09:13<jm_>tetrimino: do it the debian way
09:13<jm_>!tell tetrimino -about nvidia
09:14<tetrimino>jm_, compiling linux-kernel and headers?
09:14<sylarrr>jm_, because of bugs
09:14<tetrimino>-about debian
09:14<tetrimino>-about nvidia
09:14<jm_>tetrimino: no need to compile the kernel
09:14<jm_>sylarrr: the same version of the package is in testing and unstable
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09:15<jm_>sylarrr: ahh sorry, you said on lenny
09:15<tetrimino>jm_, i really wanna learn how to do it. ran into this problem a couple of times now.
09:15<matt76761>when I insert my WPA-PSK(TKIP) password under Debian Lenny Gnome "Network Connections" utility and choose option "Show password", the password is right(matches with the one I inserted). However, when I click "Connect", it doesn't connect and if I check the password once more to be sure, I didn't have any errors, I see only 64 characters long random string. Shouldn't I see the password I inserted?
09:15<sylarrr>so u think i should try the testing version?
09:15<jm_>sylarrr: no wait
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09:15<jm_>tetrimino: you need to use the compiler that was used to build the kernel or tell nvidia to ignore it, but honestly, do it the debian way
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09:16<tetrimino>jm_, i don't really know the debian way and i have read that tutorial and thousand times with no help.. guess my english isn't good enough
09:16<jm_>tetrimino: did you read how to do it on the debian wiki?
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09:17<tetrimino>jm_, you got time to explain it to me in the simple way? can just do it in private if it ignores the other users
09:17<jm_>sylarrr: lenny backports has newer version to try too
09:17<tetrimino>jm_, yes a couple of times
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09:17<jm_>tetrimino: no, but just follow the steps and ask here if you run into issues
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09:17<tetrimino>jm_, okidoki
09:18<sylarrr>jm_, still older then testing
09:18<jm_>sylarrr: how did you try to build it with m-a?
09:18<sylarrr>m-a clean,a-i drbd8 source
09:18<sylarrr>m-a clean,a-i drbd8-source
09:18<frog>can I install etch via floppy then upgrade to lenny?
09:18<jm_>it's m-a a-i drbd8
09:19<jm_>sylarrr: check /usr/share/doc/drbd8-source/README.Debian
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09:22<tetrimino>couldn't find nvidia-kernel-common.. what do i do?
09:23<sylarrr>jm_ , did that (again now) and module version remain
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09:23<tetrimino>sylarrr, jm seems to be offline
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09:31<gsimmons>frog: That should be fine, ask dpkg about "etch floppies" then "etch->lenny" after installation (e.g. /msg dpkg etch floppies).
09:31<gsimmons>tetrimino: Add contrib and non-free sources to /etc/apt/sources.list.
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09:32<m2rt>How can I view my network interfaces on the command line?
09:33<m2rt>Like if I have eth0 or eth1 or whatever
09:33<Kvant>/sbin/ifconfig
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09:33<Kvant>add -a if you want unconfigged ones too
09:34<m2rt>Thanks!
09:34<m2rt>Crap... I have both eth0 and eth1
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09:34<m2rt>trying to add forward rules to network gateaway at my company... previous administrator set it up and only gave me only ssh username and password....
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10:13<m2rt>can I somehow see, what records are written in iptables?
10:13<m2rt>or something...
10:14<petemc>iptables -L
10:14<m2rt>thanks :P
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10:16<koollman>m2rt: you may prefer the output of iptables-save
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10:17<kop>On etch if you did an aptitude upgrade it would tell you what packages were held back because you had them on hold. On lenny aptitude no longer reports this information. How can I get a listing of what should be upgraded but isn't because it's on hold?
10:18<m2rt>yeah thanks koollman !
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10:30<stuckey>is there a x264 encoder in the repository?
10:31<dr|z3d>apt-cache search x264 might tell you, stuckey.
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10:34<k-man>i force installed the emacs-snapshot on etch, and it works fine, but now whenever i try to install anything, i get errors like this: emacs-snapshot: PreDepends: dpkg (>= 1.14.21) but 1.13.26 is to be installed
10:34<k-man>is there any way to tell apt-get to not worry about that dependancy problem in future?
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10:34<Ganneff>yes. dont force it like this.
10:34<Ganneff>instead - rebuilt the stuff setting depends and so right.
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10:35<k-man>Ganneff: oh
10:35<k-man>didn't think of that
10:36<Ganneff>forcing stuff around the package manager is usually never a good idea
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10:37<stuckey>dr|z3d: doesn't bring up anything
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10:41<k-man>where are dependencies specified in the build package?
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10:42<Ganneff>debian/control
10:42<sylarrr>where are modules files at?
10:42<Ganneff>they might be automagic, so replacing one of the variables in there.
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10:45<k-man>Ganneff: thanks
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10:53<jimmy_>hi
10:53<jimmy_>wassup
10:53<jimmy_>chat is dead?
10:53<petemc>this isnt for chat, its for debian support
10:53<jimmy_>so where is offtopic?
10:54<jimmy_>ok
10:54<bja>#debian-offtopic
10:54<jimmy_>my debian lenny /etc/apt/sources.list is empty,what to do?
10:54<Gekz>cry
10:54<jimmy_>aha
10:54<jimmy_>like u,every time or in my style?
10:55<petemc>!sources
10:55<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
10:55<bja>Shooting yourself would be an overkill
10:55<jimmy_>hmmm
10:55<jimmy_>so i want to see how it works
10:55<jimmy_>learn me
10:55<jimmy_>sh00t yoself
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10:55<jimmy_>nigga ass
10:56<Gekz>jew
10:56<jimmy_>fuck your server shit
10:56<jimmy_>suck yoself and bye
10:56<Gekz>lol.
10:56<jimmy_>rename channel to debian-gay
10:56<Gekz>I shouldnt provoke.
10:56<jimmy_>;)
10:56<dr|z3d>!ops jimmy_ needs reeducating.
10:56<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dr|z3d complains about: jimmy_ needs reeducating.
10:56<Gekz>I'm a bad person.
10:56<jimmy_>gay too
10:56<jimmy_>haha
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10:56<Gekz>oh noes, my sexuality
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10:57<Myon>moo
10:57<RichiH>baa
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10:58<Maulkin>boo
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11:13<sylarrr>how to reload /etc/hosts?
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11:13<Maulkin>You don't. It's dynamic
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11:17<sylarrr>Maulkin, I think it doesn't get my overwride
11:17<tetrimino>need help with installing nvidia drivers the debian way..
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11:21<bja>tetrimino: install the following
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11:21<bja>tetrimino: module-assistant, nvidia-kernel-common
11:22<bja>tetrimino: nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-`uname -r`
11:22<stuckey>tetrimino: which card do you have?
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11:23<tetrimino>stuckey, en8800gt
11:23<stuckey>Okay you'll need drivers that aren't in Lenny yet. This is complicated.
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11:23<bja>tetrimino: That should make things work, and if you want, you can install nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig
11:24<bja>tetrimino: You will be installing no the latest driver but one with a lot of compatibility
11:24<stuckey>tetrimino: Do you know how to add a Sid source line in your apt repository file?
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11:25<stuckey>deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free
11:25<stuckey>tetrimino: add that in your /etc/apt/sources.list file
11:25<tetrimino>couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common
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11:25<bja>stuckey: wouldn't it be better if he just downloaded them manually and do a dpkg -i ?
11:25<tetrimino>stuckey, thanks
11:25<stuckey>bja: He will have to build them for Lenny
11:25<stuckey>tetrimino: you're using lenny, right?
11:26<tetrimino>stuckey, yes i am
11:26<tetrimino>i would be nice if i could learn and easy way that i might be able to remember
11:26<stuckey>This is the easy way
11:26<tetrimino>stuckey, ok
11:26<gnr>hi...
11:27<gnr>I'm using madwifi-0.9.4-rc2 with kernel version 2.6.25.20. The problem was the system freeze over over a certain period of time.
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11:27<gnr>it just dies without specific errors... Hard reset was the only way
11:27<prahal_>hi new libglib2.0-dev leads to /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gthread.h:268: error: ?GSystemThread? does not name a type .. from /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gasyncqueue.h:34, (which is also from the same package ... any hints welcome
11:27<stuckey>tetrimino: basically you've got to get five packages installed, some of which depend on the others. So we've got to try to install them in the right order to make this the easiest, but it's okay if we dont'.
11:27<gnr>i'm using Compex WLM-54GP23 (AR2413) with ALIX2C2 board...
11:28<prahal_>gnr: are you stuck with this kernel ? because there are ath5k dirvers in the newer kernels
11:28<stuckey>tetrimino: so do (as root) apt-get update
11:28<prahal_>google is not aware of this glib issue :(
11:28<gnr>prahal_:i'm pretty much stuck with that kernel...
11:28<dr|z3d>stuckey: Delayed response. Add some repos.. you should see a whole bunch of x264 stuff.
11:29<amitz>Can I use ubuntu's chromium in debian lenny? Which version of ubuntu's chromius? 8.04 or 8.10?
11:29<tetrimino>Stuckey done
11:29<stuckey>dr|z3d: which repo_
11:29<stuckey>tetrimino: then try "apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common"
11:29<prahal_>amitz: why there are chromium in debian too ?
11:29<amitz>Or another question, which version of ubuntu is somewhat closer to debian lenny? 8.04 or 8.10?
11:29<bja>judd: versions chromium
11:29<judd>bja: chromium -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1 sid: 0.9.14-1 squeeze: 0.9.14-1
11:29<stuckey>tetrimino: If it doesn't work, try "apt-get -b source nvidia-kernel-common"
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11:29<dr|z3d>stuckey: You'd have to determine that.. probably non-free.. the package "ogmrip" might be of interest.
11:29<tetrimino>stuckey, still don't work
11:30<stuckey>tetrimino: ahh okay... do this then:
11:30<stuckey>tetrimino: apt-get build-dep nvidia-kernel-common
11:30<bja>tetrimino: any errors on Xserver
11:30<tetrimino>stuckey, got some failures doing the other way..
11:30<stuckey>then do apt-get -b source nvidia-kernel-common
11:31<stuckey>tetrimino: apt-get build-dep nvidia-kernel-common <--- that first
11:31<stuckey>then, apt-get -b source nvidia-kernel-common
11:31<stuckey>dr|z3d: So even though this is supposed to be an open source codec, it isn't in the repository?
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11:31<amitz>prahal_: there are ones for ubuntu. I'll be using it for debian.
11:32<tetrimino>done
11:32<stuckey>tetrimino: You did both?
11:32<tetrimino>yes
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11:32<stuckey>tetrimino: Okay now do "ls -l | grep nvidia-kernel-common"
11:33<stuckey>And look for the one that says .deb at the end. Once you find that one do "dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-common" with nvidia-kernel-common being the one with the .deb at the end.
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11:33<tetrimino>done
11:34<stuckey>tetrimino: You did the dpkg -i thing?
11:34<yesroz>hola
11:34<stuckey>No errors?
11:34<tetrimino>dpkg -i? you haven't told me to do that? have you?
11:34<dpkg>tetrimino: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
11:34<stuckey>And look for the one that says .deb at the end. Once you find that one do "dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-common" with nvidia-kernel-common being the one with the .deb at the end.
11:35<stuckey>You need to find the thing that says nvidia-kernel-common***.deb, and instal it with "dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-common***.deb". I'm using *** because I'm not exactly sure what it's called.
11:35<bja>dpkg: tell yesroz es
11:35<stuckey>So you just have to find the exact name of it, and then do "dpkg -i ***" where *** is the name.
11:36<tetrimino>done
11:36<bja>!es
11:36<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:36<stuckey>tetrimino: no errors?
11:36<tetrimino>nope
11:36<yesroz>hola
11:36<stuckey>If no errors, then m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source
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11:37<tetrimino>m-a command not found
11:37<stuckey>tetrimino: you didn't install module-assistant, do "apt-get install module-assistant" then try again.
11:38<bja>tetrimino: install module asistant
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11:39<prahal_>ok any idea where this GSystemThread is supposed to be defined ? There is only a line using it in glib dev not a single definition on my whole install
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11:40<amitz>Can I use ubuntu's _webbrowser_ chromium in debian lenny? Which version of ubuntu's _webbrowser_ chromius? 8.04 or 8.10? Thanks in advance.
11:40<tetrimino>"installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. ignoring this package. maybe you need to add something to a sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives."
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11:40<stuckey>tetrimino: okay
11:40<tetrimino>trouble?
11:41<stuckey>tetrimino: then let's do this, "apt-get build-dep nvidia-kernel-source", then "apt-get -b source nvidia-kernel-source" and then do the dpkg -i thing with this package, just like you did with the other one.
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11:41<stuckey>tetrimino: no, just that m-a won't do this automatically for you.
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11:43<prahal_>glibconfig.h.win32 is the only place where I can find it defined in the sources
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11:45<tetrimino>it's alot harder to find the .deb now.. is there any way that it will just display itself?
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11:45<stuckey>tetrimino: haha no, just try "ls -l | grep nvidia-kernel-source"
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11:45<stuckey>tetrimino: then it will give you a list of everything matching that, then pick the one that says .deb at the end and install it with "dpkg -i"
11:46<dr|z3d>stuckey: You may find there are libraries for h264 that also impinge on non-free stuff. I can't comment on Debian policy; all I know is that the tools are out there, somewhere!
11:46<bja>dr|z3d: As allways you are politically correct :)
11:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 440] by debhelper
11:47<tetrimino>done
11:47<stuckey>tetrimino: no errors?
11:47<tetrimino>yup
11:47<stuckey>tetrimino: wait, there were errors or there were not errors?
11:47<tetrimino>dpatch is not installed
11:47<dr|z3d>bja: Do my best. :)
11:48<stuckey>tetrimino: ah, "apt-get install dpatch"
11:48<stuckey>tetrimino: then do the dpkg -i thing again.
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11:48<tetrimino>done
11:48<tetrimino>no errors
11:48<stuckey>tetrimino: installed with dpkg?
11:48<tetrimino>yup
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11:49<stuckey>Wonderful, now do "apt-get build-source nvidia-glx${VERSION} && apt-get -b source nvidia-glx${VERSION}"
11:49<stuckey>tetrimino: "
11:49<bja>tetrimino: Let me tell you that right now you are in between distros, uncharted unstable territory
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11:50<matt7676>what is the difference between 'apt-get remove gimp && apt-get autoremove' vs 'aptitude remove gimp' ?
11:50<stuckey>bja: Alternatives?
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11:50<stuckey>matt7676: autoremove clears catch, otherwise they're the same.
11:50<dr|z3d>*cache
11:51<tetrimino>invalid operation build-source
11:51<bja>the easy way was downloading module-assintant and downloading the nvdidia autoexec.
11:52<bja>maybe an echo CC to set an enviromental variable, and there you have it
11:52<drakeman_>sney, hey i get another version of turboprint to try if works!
11:52<drakeman_>:D
11:52<bja>stuckey: then again I'm no expert
11:52<tetrimino>stuckey, invalid operation build-source
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11:53<stuckey>tetrimino: oops... I meant build-dep... knew that didn't look right.
11:53<stuckey>Wonderful, now do "apt-get build-dep nvidia-glx${VERSION} && apt-get -b source nvidia-glx${VERSION}"
11:53<stuckey>tetrimino: it should be so "
11:54<tetrimino>done
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11:54<stuckey>tetrimino: then do the dpkg -i thing again
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11:55<Yesu>i need to install the fglrx drivers, what is the non-free url I need to add to my sources.list to do this?
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11:55<tetrimino>seems like it did that itself..
11:56<tetrimino>ups
11:56<stuckey>tetrimino: no, it just created a .deb file like the others. Look for it, should say "nvidia-glx-"something
11:56<tetrimino>looking at wrong terminal
11:56<tetrimino>dpkg -i on what?
11:56*dpkg installs on what into tetrimino's head with a bone saw and a few screws
11:57<tetrimino>stuckey, dpkg -i on what?
11:57<stuckey>tetrimino: do "ls -l | grep nvidia-glx" and then look for the one that says .deb at the end.
11:57<stuckey>Do dpkg -i on that.
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11:59<tetrimino>error processing nvidia-glx (--install)
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11:59<stuckey>tetrimino: pastebin the entire error (paste.debian.net)
11:59<matt7676>stuckey: what catch?
11:59<Yesu>i need to install the fglrx drivers, what is the non-free url I need to add to my sources.list to do this?
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12:00<stuckey>matt7676: I meant cache.
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12:00<bja>Yesu: on your normal line jus add non-free
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12:00<bja>s/jus/just
12:00<stuckey>bja: hey how good does that fglx driver for ati cards work? Good enough to watch h264?
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12:01<Yesu>without quotes?
12:01<Yesu>ok
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12:01<tetrimino>can't seem to copy/paste from xterm
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12:01<stuckey>tetrimino: need to highlight and then use the middle mouse button to paste into another window
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12:02<stuckey>tetrimino: if that doesn't work then just tell me what it says
12:02<tetrimino>http://paste.debian.net/37840/
12:02<bja>stuckey: nvidia card here, never used ati
12:02<matt7676>stuckey: ok, I see. However, what cache?
12:03<stuckey>tetrimino: hmm... try "m-a a-i nvidia"
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12:03<tuxcrafter>hello everybody, i got a cronjob /etc/cron.d/drupal6 but it is not used
12:03<tuxcrafter>how can i enable it
12:04<tuxcrafter>it does not list when i do this: crontab -u www-data -l
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12:04<tetrimino>done
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12:04<stuckey>tetrimino: what did that say when you did it?
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12:07<tetrimino>ehm
12:07<tetrimino>now it just runs the shit when i try to copy/pasta
12:08<stuckey>tetrimino: huh?
12:08<tetrimino>you know when i mark something and click the scroll.
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12:08<stuckey>Yes
12:08<tetrimino>now it doesn't copy it
12:08<tetrimino>it runs the lines as if it was command
12:08<stuckey>That's not good..
12:08<tetrimino>very frustating
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12:08<tetrimino>so i cleared the console.
12:09<stuckey>I'm not sure what this is... but try installing nvidia-glx again
12:09<stuckey>with dpkg -i
12:09<tetrimino>ran the "m-a a-i nvidia" again
12:09<tetrimino>ok
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12:10<tuxcrafter>somebody that could help me with my debian cron isseu
12:10<tuxcrafter>isseu/issue/
12:10<tetrimino>done
12:10<stuckey>tetrimino: did it work this time?
12:11<tetrimino>yup
12:11<tetrimino>no errors
12:11<stuckey>tetrimino: perfect, now pastebin your xorg file.
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12:11<tetrimino>o.O
12:11<stuckey>tetrimino: just do "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
12:11<tetrimino>thanks :D
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12:12<tetrimino>one minor problem sir..
12:12<tetrimino>can't copy/pasta out of the terminal anymore..
12:12<stuckey>Paste function isn't working?
12:12<tetrimino>so how are you gonna read it?
12:13<stuckey>Don't worry about it... what irc client are you using?
12:13<dr|z3d>tetrimino: Install the terminal plugin for gedit, perhaps.
12:13<tetrimino>xchat
12:13<stuckey>tetrimino: do you know how to stop X and edit files with VIM?
12:14<tetrimino>if you mean to go "no interface-style" and gedit files then i guess im capable
12:14<stuckey>tetrimino: you wouldn't have gedit
12:15<stuckey>tetrimino: you'd have to use VIM
12:15<tetrimino>mc edit then
12:15<stuckey>Okay
12:15<stuckey>tetrimino: So you press ALT+CTRL+F6. Log in. Then become root, and type "invoke-rc.d gdm stop".
12:16<stuckey>Then do "X -configure", it will tell you that it made a file. Copy that file to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
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12:16<tetrimino>i need something to write this down
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12:16<tetrimino>give me a sec
12:16<stuckey>Then do VIM /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and find where it says "nv" for the driver, and change that to "nvidia".
12:16<stuckey>tetrimino: yes probably
12:17<tetrimino>it's like diving alone.. a very scary adventure x3
12:17<stuckey>Then you save the file, and do "invoke-rc.d gdm start".
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12:18<stuckey>tetrimino: if shit goes wrong you can always use "irssi" (a terminal irc client) to come back here.
12:19<dr|z3d>Forcing VIM on a non-user's like telling them to deep sea dive without an oxygen supply. Nano's a bit friendlier!
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12:20<locklace>let the bastards sink or swim
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12:21<tetrimino>stuckey, i wrote it down.
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12:21<tetrimino>but you want me to copy a file into xorg.conf?
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12:22<tetrimino>isn't .conf like a text document? how can i copy a file into that?
12:24<FOREVER>hola
12:24<bja>!es
12:24<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:24<kop>tetrimino : You can copy all files, whether or not they are text.
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12:25<kop>tetrimino : He meains "replace the content".
12:25<tetrimino>oh ok
12:26<tetrimino>so i need to replace xorg.conf with a never xorg an then change the nv?
12:27<stuckey>tetrimino: yep, it will create a new one for you, then you just edit where it says Driver "nvidia"
12:27<stuckey>tetrimino: make sure it says that instead of Driver "nv"
12:27<tetrimino>ok i'll give it a shot
12:27<tetrimino>im diving - wish me luck guys
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12:29<locklace>quick, move the channel while he's away
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12:31<tetrimino>i almost drowned
12:31<tetrimino>x -configure didn't seem to work
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12:34<tetrimino>stuckey, hello?
12:35<stuckey>tetrimino: yep
12:35<stuckey>tetrimino: It's "X -configure" not "x -configure"
12:35<tetrimino>x -configure didn't work
12:35<tetrimino>do'h
12:35<tetrimino>:D
12:35<tetrimino>i'll try again then
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12:35<locklace>the fact that stuckey is leading this conversation shows that there is justice in the world
12:35<stuckey>locklace: explain
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12:37<bja>locklace: backtrack 1hr 20min and have a good laugh
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12:45<sean>i need help configuring my razer lachesis for debian to work properly in FPS games, any suggestions?
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12:48<sean>never mind regarding the mouse help
12:48<sean>can someone help me get my usb-headphones to work in debian? i'm not sure what to do; i've ran alsaconf, but I don't really know which to choose for configuration
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12:48<matt7676>stuckey: as far as i know, "apt-get clean" and "apt-get autoclean" will clean cache, but "apt-get autoremove" will only remove unnecessary dependecies?
12:49<dr|z3d>matt7676: That's about the size of it.
12:50<matt7676>dr|z3d: what do you mean?
12:50<dr|z3d>I mean, "yes, you have it about right".
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12:51<matt7676>dr|z3d: ok, so there is basically no difference between 'apt-get remove gimp && apt-get autoremove' vs 'aptitude remove gimp' ?
12:52<simNIX>aptitude = saver
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12:53<dr|z3d>I'd use aptitude.
12:53<dr|z3d>aptitude has a better way of dealing with dependencies.
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12:53<dr|z3d>!why aptitude
12:53<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
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13:01<tetrimino>back
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13:02<tetrimino>stuckey, hello there
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13:10<stuckey>tetrimino: works?
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13:12<tetrimino>stuckey, hmm dunno
13:12<tetrimino>how do i test it_
13:12<tetrimino>gears something_
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13:15<bja>tetrimino: When you start your X server the nvidia logo should appear. check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for any aditional errors.
13:15<bja>gtg
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13:18<tetrimino>man it's a novel
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13:21<tetrimino>stuckey, i really don't understand this - there gotta be an easier way
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13:24<egamonal>can anyone show me some lights on patching a kernel?
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13:26*dr|z3d turns on the channel's Christmas light display for egamonal.
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13:27<egamonal>thanks dr|z3d :p i'm getting some help on #debian-eeepc
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13:33<stuckey>tetrimino: try using glxgears
13:33<stuckey>tetrimino: if you didn't get an errors it's probably working
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13:35<tetrimino>command not found
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13:39<stuckey>tetrimino: have to install it
13:39<stuckey>apt-cache search glxgears
13:39<tetrimino>apt-get install glxgears
13:39<tetrimino>?
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13:43<stuckey>apt-get install mesa-utils
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13:49<r4ff0>hi everybody
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13:51<stuckey>tetrimino: apt-get install mesa-utils
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13:53<tetrimino>Xlib> extension glx missing on display 0.0
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13:54<tetrimino>error couldn\t get an rgb, double-buffered visual
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13:54<stuckey>paste output of "dpkg -l | grep nvidia"
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13:57<jaco>hi, does anyone know how to find the subsystem dev and vend id's of my intel p/w 3945
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14:03<cahoot>lspci -v?
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14:05<Tasneem>hello
14:06<Tasneem>wats ur name
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14:31<bl4ckc00k1e>hi
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14:31<bl4ckc00k1e>where i can find the drivers for the my intel audio for debian?? only i fond for novell, suse and redhat
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14:33<cahoot>probably already in place
14:33<cahoot>what are you really looking for?
14:34<bl4ckc00k1e>the audio driver 82801 EB/ER (realtek) for the motherboard intel D865PERL
14:35<cahoot>bl4ckc00k1e: got the pciid for the device?
14:35<bl4ckc00k1e>yes
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14:38<cahoot>bl4ckc00k1e: and googling alsa + <pciid> suggests what alsa module
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14:40<bl4ckc00k1e>cahoot all modules of alsa works?
14:40<themill>bl4ckc00k1e: what's the relevant line from "lspci -nn"
14:41<bl4ckc00k1e>themill, Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller
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14:42<themill>bl4ckc00k1e: that's missing the key bit of information that the "-nn" gives
14:43<jthomas_sb>I have an SSH jail set up per the OpenSSH 5.1 jailing options, but when a user logs in the /etc/bash.bashrc isn't being used. No aliases are available as set in that file. If the user then runs 'bash' the prompt changes and the aliases do work. What is going wrong that the initial bash isn't functioning?
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14:44<bl4ckc00k1e>themill this all that i see when i put this command http://pastebin.com/d13150c05
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14:46<bl4ckc00k1e>in ynaptic i can see that i have installed the alsa driver and controllers.. but i havent got sound
14:46<themill>judd pciid 8086:24d5
14:46<judd>themill: [8086:24d5] is '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-intel8x0' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:24d5
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14:47<themill>That should be a very well supported chipset.
14:47<themill>bl4ckc00k1e: is this with etch or lenny?
14:47<cahoot>bl4ckc00k1e: cat /proc/asound/cards - only one?
14:47<bl4ckc00k1e>lenny
14:47<bl4ckc00k1e>no
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14:48<bl4ckc00k1e>i have 2.. the first is the camera! :S
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14:48<bl4ckc00k1e>i havent got camera .... lol
14:48<bl4ckc00k1e>maybe will be the problem?
14:48<cahoot>bl4ckc00k1e: card0 being the 'camera'?
14:49<bl4ckc00k1e>yeah
14:49<cahoot>bl4ckc00k1e: so that's what the sound system sees as 'default'
14:49<bl4ckc00k1e>how can i change it?
14:49<bl4ckc00k1e>whre is the file where i must to rewrite?
14:50<bl4ckc00k1e>edit
14:50<cahoot>bl4ckc00k1e: personally I'd suggest give snd-intel8x0 index 0 in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
14:51<cahoot>bl4ckc00k1e: like: options snd-intel8x0 index=0
14:51<drakeman_>hey, there is a way to jail a user who have access to mycomputer by ssh and sftp only to his home folder? i dont want the user can look or download other files, just his home folder, nothing else!!! there is a way to do it?
14:51<bl4ckc00k1e>i dont have this file
14:52<bl4ckc00k1e>i havent got this file*
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14:52<damn>Âñåì ïðèâåò! Íóæíà ïîìîùü
14:52<damn>êòî ñâîáîäåí?
14:53<dr|z3d>!ru
14:53<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
14:53<dr|z3d>I'm guessing, I just see ascii rubbish on my screen :/
14:53<damn>)
14:53<damn>sorry
14:54<cahoot>bl4ckc00k1e: no alsa-related file at all in /etc/modprobe.d ?
14:54<bl4ckc00k1e>cahoot sorry, yeah i have this file, therar are a lot of lines!
14:54<cahoot>bl4ckc00k1e: go to the end of the file
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14:54<stuckey>dr|z3d: I think that was just rubbish.
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14:55<bl4ckc00k1e>cahoot, http://pastebin.com/d1a6359e4
14:55<stuckey>tetrimino: Did you get it working?
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14:56<bl4ckc00k1e>i change the index=-2 to index=0?
14:56<bl4ckc00k1e>and restart nN?
14:56<cahoot>bl4ckc00k1e: actulla I think you could just (as root) do: echo ' options snd-intel8x0 index=0' >>/etc/modprobe.d/alsaoptions
14:57<gsimmons>drakeman_: You might be interested in features offered by scponly and rssh.
14:57<drakeman_>gsimmons, mmm this are packages? to install?
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14:58<looool>Hey
14:58<gsimmons>drakeman_: Both are packaged for Debian.
14:58<bl4ckc00k1e>cahoot i am sure that i haventt got alsa-options but i have alsa-base, i change snd-intel8x0 index=-2 to snd-intel8x0 index=0
14:58<drakeman_>gsimmons, but they work with openssh>
14:58<drakeman_>?
14:58<drakeman_>already installed?
14:58<bl4ckc00k1e>i go to restart to see if it works
14:59<cahoot>bl4ckc00k1e: ok - now -as root:alsa force-reload
14:59<looool>Can someone help me? Iam at Install Debian Eee and now Grub Bootloader search at 16% for other OS and it still stands there what should i do? and its already 30minutes running at this point (sry for bad english iam german)
15:00<drakeman_>gsimmons, or that packages i need to configure apart, or works togeter with openssh?
15:00<bl4ckc00k1e>cahoot, very very bad
15:00<bl4ckc00k1e>http://pastebin.com/d7d9f0c35
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15:01<looool>No one?
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15:02<stuckey>looool: There's #debian.de if you want to speak German.
15:02<stuckey>looool: But I haven't a clue as to why Grub isn't loading.
15:03<themill>bl4ckc00k1e: what's the output of "uname -r"?
15:03<looool>Its at installation
15:03<gsimmons>drakeman_: They are alternate shells. They both work with OpenSSH given that they depend on ssh/openssh-server.
15:03<bl4ckc00k1e>themill, 2.6.26-2-686
15:03<looool>but ok i will go to german channel
15:03<looool>Thanks for fish :)
15:03<stuckey>looool: Did you try running install again?
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15:03<stuckey>looool: What fish?
15:03<looool>ok mom
15:04<bl4ckc00k1e>i k now that my kernel have a internal exploit :(
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15:04<drakeman_>gsimmons, thanks, im going to take a look, im already installing rssh, thanks, i will prove with that....
15:04<looool>stuckey teh install takes so long
15:04<looool>*the
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15:04<looool>But i will try
15:04<themill>bl4ckc00k1e: so no recent kernel upgrades or anything then? What's the output of "modinfo snd_intel8x0"?
15:06<bl4ckc00k1e>themill, i could not open /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/modules.dep
15:06<bl4ckc00k1e>modinfo cant
15:07<themill>bl4ckc00k1e: that's possibly not a good thing. Did you interrupt apt while it was installing the kernel or something?
15:08<bl4ckc00k1e>never
15:09<themill>bl4ckc00k1e: does /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/ exist?
15:10<bl4ckc00k1e>themill, yeah
15:10<bl4ckc00k1e>i have a new
15:11<bl4ckc00k1e>i can change the controler in the control center of audio... but i havent got sound to... but is something
15:11<bl4ckc00k1e>i will try to restar to see what happend gove me 1 minut
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15:13<themill>wait.
15:13<themill>oh. with a missing modules.dep, we might not see him back
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15:17<cahoot>themill: I wonder if the modules problem is due to some extraneous module install - his first post indicates so
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15:19<nick_>With aptitude released with testing I find that recamended packages are not being installed. What file and contents can I put in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d to force these packages to install?
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15:19<bl4ckc00k1e>hi again
15:19<bl4ckc00k1e>nothiing..
15:20<cahoot>bl4ckc00k1e: did you at any stage install 'drivers' from another source on the 'net'?
15:20<bl4ckc00k1e>i remove de alsa controle for synaptic, but now when i tried to install, the synaptic tell me that need the DVD for lenny, i put ir, and the system cant mount,.. and is the original
15:20<bl4ckc00k1e>on
15:20<bl4ckc00k1e>no
15:20<bl4ckc00k1e>for the original DVD
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15:20<sylarr>on gnome@lenny when i change in gconf-editor desktop/gnome/font-rendering/'dpi 96' I loose fonts of gnome-terminal
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15:23<themill>bl4ckc00k1e: does "modinfo snd_intel8x0" produce sensible information this time?
15:23<bl4ckc00k1e>nothing...
15:25<bl4ckc00k1e>and now i haven see nothing on cat /proc/asound/cards
15:25<bl4ckc00k1e>my system dont see the modules
15:26<themill>bl4ckc00k1e: have you run an fsck recently on that filesystem? Missing files is not a good sign.
15:26<bl4ckc00k1e>themill i remove all things for alsa in synaptic and when i remive all, a installa gain
15:27<bl4ckc00k1e>i install debian on this pc today
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15:28<themill>bl4ckc00k1e: if you run "depmod", does that fix "modinfo snd_intel8x0"?
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15:30<bl4ckc00k1e>yeahh
15:30<bl4ckc00k1e>itś fix!!
15:30<bl4ckc00k1e>i paste it whait
15:31<bl4ckc00k1e>themill http://pastebin.com/d1cf8e0c8
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15:33<themill>bl4ckc00k1e: excellent. Now that's in place, modules will be loaded correctly for hardware. The simplest approach might be to reboot.
15:33<sylarr>can someone check if it is not just me?
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15:38<bl4ckc00k1e>themill ok, i restar now
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15:41<bl4ckc00k1e>themill, now i havent got the speaker xD
15:41<bl4ckc00k1e>i will destroy this computer!!
15:42<themill>bl4ckc00k1e: ok.... now you can go back to what cahoot was saying about setting the default card
15:43<bl4ckc00k1e>yeah
15:43<bl4ckc00k1e>but the problem now
15:43<bl4ckc00k1e>is that the speaker isnt now
15:43<bl4ckc00k1e>and before, when i edit, whe have problems to
15:44<bl4ckc00k1e>edit again?
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15:44<kamilin>hi
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15:45<kamilin>somebody know how to use Devilspie?
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15:47<dusadin>can somebody post ftp adress where I can download elive dist please...
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15:52<nick_>sign bye
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16:02<a_>Hi people, is this normal that a debian box does not want to boot if an USB flash is plugged in? or it is somthing which is related to my box? I noticed this since long and the phenomenon survives all the upgrades
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16:02<Joemama_>i have a drive mounted that is ntfs, whats easiest way to share that drive over the network?
16:03<locklace>a_: use persistent naming
16:03<bja>a_: It might be from your box, check the bios boot order
16:03<a_>boot order is correct - i followed it
16:04<a_>locklace: what do you mean by persistent naming, sorry?
16:06<Joemama_>isnt there a front end for gui for samba?
16:07<locklace>a_: first define "doesn't boot"; what exactly happens?
16:09<a_>locklace: the boot seems to start correctly, then "booting the kernel" and it hangs at this message during 20 minutes - then i just switch it off
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16:09<locklace>a_: do you have a "quiet" kernel commandline option in the bootloader suppressing the kernel boot output
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16:11<a_>locklace: i do not know but I don't think so, since when i get off the USB flash, the boot goes through normally with lots of info displayed
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16:11<a_>(and it takes a lot less than 20 min)
16:12<bja>a_: Take a look at "/boot/grub/menu.lst" your kernel boot up line is there, a simple cat will do
16:12<a_>1 sec
16:13<locklace>a_: well, anyway the usual issue is that depending on your hw plugging another drive in can screw with your device naming, so e.g. what used to be sda becomes sdb
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16:13<locklace>a_: so if that's what's happening then finding filesystems will fail unless you're using persistent partition ids
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16:17<a_>locklace: oh i see you mean that it takes the USB flash for "sda"???
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16:17<a_>bja: this i guess is the line you asekd for:kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet
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16:18<bja>a_: you are right, locklace is telling you the answer
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16:20<bja>a_: You can substitude "/dev/hda1" by "UUID=bignumber" that is for your hdd boot partition
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16:21<a_>ok, well it seems to me it could distinguish itself between hard drive and USB
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16:21<bja>a_: not at boot time, since it gets lost
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16:22<a_>Ok now at least I understand what s going on, thanks!
16:22<bja>a_: do an ll -a /dev/disk/by-uuid and you'll find the stuff you need there so grub doesn't get lost
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16:22<bja>a_: It's either that or I'm totally lost :P
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16:23<a_>ll -a or ls -a ??
16:23<bja>a_: sorry ls -la
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16:24<bja>a_: I have an alias on my machine
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16:25<Jarhead12>Hey im getting this error..
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16:26<Jarhead12>E: could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource Temporarily Unavailable)l
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16:26<Jarhead12>without that l
16:26<Jarhead12>lol
16:26<Jarhead12>my bad
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16:26<bl4ckc00k1e>hi again
16:26<bl4ckc00k1e>i have sound!!
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16:26<a_>bja, locklace, thanx, i understand the thing
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16:27<bja>!next
16:27<dpkg>A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed!
16:27<Jarhead12>and then it says, E: unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
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16:27<Jarhead12>so im like stuck... i might restart lol see how that one works
16:27<bja>Jarhead12: ps -AF|grep ap[t]
16:27<bl4ckc00k1e>but i havent got the controller.. lol, thanks themill for all and the cahoot
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16:27<oskie>does anyone know what files in /dev are required by init? my computer doesn't boot with an empty /dev
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16:27<bja>and kill the little bugger je je
16:28<Jarhead12>bja
16:28<oskie>to answer myself: perhaps only /dev/console?
16:28<Jarhead12>thank you thank you
16:29<bja>Jarhead12: np
16:30<bja>oskie: On boot process the /dev/ dir should be populated by udev, I really haven't got to that yet, Wait a little someone can help :)
16:30<Jarhead12>err
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16:31<oskie>bja: yes but udev is started after init - udev is started from the bash scripts and those need a few files in /dev i presume (like /dev/null)
16:31<Jarhead12>I put in a mirror site to my sources.list to be able to install gcc.. and when i did apt-get install gcc, it gave me the choice to install it.. but then it said please enter the correct CD
16:31<Jarhead12>and i dont have that CD obviously.. lol
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16:32<Jarhead12>nevermind
16:32<Jarhead12>idk why i had to put in the cd i installed debian with to install gcc.. but it worked.. so whatever lol
16:32<Jarhead12><3
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16:34<aavsec>#blobby-liga
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16:36<locklace>oskie: yes, console
16:36<bja>Jarhead12: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and put a # (comment the line) and every thing should be downloaded from the site you putted there
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16:37<Jarhead12>ok.. but im trying to install something and it says im missing GLIB.. or its not installed correctly
16:37<Jarhead12>how can i fix that?
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16:38<bl4ckc00k1e>people, where is xorg.conf?
16:38<dondelelcaro>bl4ckc00k1e: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
16:38<bja>Jarhead12: Another completely different problem. What is your choice of package manager?
16:38<Jarhead12>dont know
16:38<Jarhead12>i gues apt-get?
16:39<bl4ckc00k1e>thanks dondelelcaro
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16:40<bja>Jarhead12: Install the library using apt-get, a simple pŕocess, you should be fine
16:40<bja>Jarhead12: the commented line should be the ones for your install cd's
16:41<Jarhead12>yes i see
16:41<Joemama_>i got samba installed, and gadmin-samba, and went thru and set it up as best as i could, but when i try to access DEBIAN on the network it asks for a username and password, and ive tried everything i can think of
16:41<Joemama_>i made users with the gadmin-samba thing, tried those, tried as root, tried as guest smbguest .....
16:41<Jarhead12>but bja, i dont know what that library is even called?
16:42<bja>I just noticed, that the lines on sources.list for an amd64 has no mention of the architecture, is that normal?
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16:43<bja>Jarhead12: can you paste the full error message
16:44<Jarhead12>that was the full error message
16:44<Jarhead12>GLIB not correctly installed or doesnt exist
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16:45<bja>Jarhead12: Version of Debian
16:46<Eurysilas>Hey. Need some help. I just installed the KDE Edition of Debian Lenny, and ran into a showstopper: kmenuedit doesn't seem to work when moving stuff (haven't tried adding). I've searched the bug reports, they mention a similar bug, but no workaround. Will I have to upgrade to fx it?
16:46<Jarhead12>whats the cmd for that again?
16:46<Jarhead12>uname -v?
16:46<Jarhead12>or osmething?
16:46<bja>Jarhead12: cat /etc/debian_version
16:46<Eurysilas>*fix
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16:47<bja>judd versions glib
16:47<judd>bja: glib --
16:47<egamonal>Jarhead12, what for?
16:47<Jarhead12>ya'll are confusing me
16:47<Jarhead12>lol
16:48<bja>egamonal: Jarhead12 doesn't seem to have glib and he wants to download some packages
16:48<Jarhead12>i have version 2.6.26
16:48<egamonal>ow, ok bja
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16:48<Jarhead12>so what i do apt-get install glib -- <version> ??
16:48<adb>glibc ?
16:48<locklace>judd versions libglib2.0-0
16:48<judd>locklace: libglib2.0-0 -- etch: 2.12.4-2+etch1 etch-security: 2.12.4-2+etch1 lenny: 2.16.6-1+lenny1 lenny-security: 2.16.6-1+lenny1 sid: 2.20.1-2 squeeze: 2.20.1-2
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16:50<bja>Jarhead12: Instal libglib2.0-0
16:50<bja>thx
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16:50<Jarhead12>:s
16:50<Jarhead12>it says i have the newest version of gli
16:50<Jarhead12>b
16:50<Jarhead12>:'(
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16:51<Jarhead12>this xcaht is retarded thn
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16:51<Jarhead12>clearly glib is installed correctly
16:51<bja>Jarhead12: can you paste the line you added to sources.list
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16:52<Jarhead12>yea sure just a sec
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16:52<Jarhead12>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main
16:52<Jarhead12>thats it^
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16:55<bja>Jarhead12: Try this one better "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main"
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16:56<Jarhead12>wtf
16:56<Jarhead12>thats the same as what i just put..
16:56<Jarhead12>oh wait
16:57<Jarhead12>nvmnd
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16:57<bja>Jarhead12: not exactly there is a small / missing
16:57<bja>on your line
16:58*Eurysilas guesses no one is on right now that uses the KDE version. :(
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16:58<deniz>im using lenny and when i have a jpeg loaded into eye of gnome, id like the up down left right keyboard keys to move in their specified directions of a zoomed image instead of being used to show next image or previous image etc, how do i do that?
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16:59<deniz>when i use to use ubuntu in feisty fawn it (7.04) it was like that and i want it like that
17:00<bja>deniz: Easy way on everyone, boot ubuntu, take a look at the eog config files and export that knowledge to debian.
17:00<deniz>bja, where are the config files located?
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17:01<bja>deniz: "locate eog|less" should give you a head start
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17:02<oskie>is it bad to have LANG=POSIX and LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 in /etc/default/locale?
17:04<Jarhead12>alright seriously.. i try and install xchat.. and it keeps saying "Cannot find glib"
17:04<Jarhead12>wtfwtf
17:04<bja>oskie: hasn't killed anyone yet
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17:05<locklace>Jarhead12: paste output of "aptitude install xchat"
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17:05<oskie>i noticed that "_alpha" is sorted before "beta" with en_US.UTF-8, and that's really annoying
17:05<Jarhead12>err
17:05<Jarhead12>i forgot about that one
17:05<Jarhead12>xDD
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17:06<Jarhead12>xchat isnt even a package lololol
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17:08<locklace>Jarhead12: paste output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list && aptitude update && aptitude install xchat"
17:08<locklace>!tell Jarhead12 about paste
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17:12<Jarhead12>right
17:12<Jarhead12>so anyways
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17:15<Jarhead12>http://pastebin.com/mc419188
17:15<Jarhead12>ok there
17:15<Jarhead12>thats the output
17:16<locklace>no, it's only a third of the output. you fail at paste
17:17<locklace>Jarhead12: but anyway, comment out the two cdrom lines of /etc/apt/sources.list (that means put a "#" in front of them), then save it and paste output of "aptitude update && aptitude install xchat".
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17:19<Jarhead12>no
17:19<Jarhead12>i dont fail at paste
17:19<Jarhead12>i didnt bother putting the output of the aptitudes because i got it to work
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17:20<Jarhead12>whats the cmd to execute the updates though?
17:20<locklace>!lart Jarhead12
17:20*dpkg --purges Jarhead12
17:20<Jarhead12>because it says 6 not upgraded
17:20<Jarhead12>ok really
17:20<Jarhead12>enough with that bulllshit bot
17:20<Jarhead12>its anoing
17:21<locklace>you're annoying. you don't follow instructions, you don't respect the people who spend their time to try to help your sorry ass, and you don't know how to use the fucking space bar.
17:21<bja>Jarhead12: Every one is here to help, you asked it for yourself
17:22<bja>Jarhead12: I've got better things to do
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17:23<Jarhead12>Really. How the hell are you going to tell me i dont follow instructions.. and how the hell am i disrespecting anyone? Did you happen to notice that you just got really anry because i didnt paste the output of something that wasnt even broken.. the fuck is up with that.
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17:24<Jarhead12>I take into consideration all the help im given from this channel, but when i dont want to do something because i feel i dont need to, then where the hell do you have the right to get all pissy shit because i didnt do what you wanted me to.
17:24<Joemama_>http://pastebin.com/m48763a32 <- that is output of testparm , i isntalled samba, didnt see the computer in Workgroup, so i changed the hosts.allow, then it popped up but i couldnt log in, so i added a user and then eventually did /etc/init.d/samba restart and now the computer wotn show up again in Workgroup
17:24<Joemama_>lemme know if u see something wrong with it
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17:27<Eurysilas>So, since nobody can help me with kmenuedit, could someone answer me this: how long will an apt-get upgrade take?
17:27<Eurysilas>And, more importantly, where are the upgraded packages coming from?
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17:28<SkyNET>Problemas con Emerald en Debian Lenny 5.0
17:28<Eurysilas>(eg unstable/testing/stable/etc.)
17:28<SkyNET>Alguien puede brindarme ayuda ?
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17:32<bja>SkyNET: Te equivocaste de canal /j #debian-es
17:32<Eurysilas>No one can answer that either? :/
17:33<SkyNET>Es comunidad en Español ?
17:33<SkyNET>Speak spanish ?
17:33<dr|z3d>!es
17:33<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:33<bja>SkyNET: yes
17:34<bja>dr|z3d: He is on his way
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17:34<dr|z3d>bja: Bueno :)
17:34<bja>:)
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17:40<bja>bl4ckc00k1e: /msg judd
17:41<bja>oops
17:42<bl4ckc00k1e>xD
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17:47<Jarhead12>Excuse me, but what does it mean when aptitude spits out something saying "has no installation candidate" ?
17:47<XXCrazyStevexx>hi
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17:50<drakeman_>jarhead12 i think it means that you already have the package or is not on debian repositories.
17:50<drakeman_>Jarhead12, dont know if im wrong, but i think so.
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17:51<Eurysilas>say, what handles editing menus and such in KDE 4?
17:51<Jarhead12>ok ty
17:51<Eurysilas>*main menu
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17:55<idbgthusiexist>hi, i'm looking for a good ftp server package which lets me configure seperate username/passwords and where they have access to. i've tried a few before and they tend to like merging with local user accounts, which isn't really what i want. any suggestions?
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17:57<Knut`>Hi
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17:58<Knut`>How to tell my eth0 that it has to receive a dynamic IP address from the local DHCP server? Sorry for this noob question - I'm pretty new to these things :>
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17:58<bja>Knut`: iface eth0 inet dhcp
17:59<drakeman_>Knut`, when you install your debian, it doesnt ask you for dhcp or static ip? and if not bja says the answer :d
17:59<locklace>idbgthusiexist: vsftpd
18:00<idbgthusiexist>cheers locklace, installing it now to try it out
18:00<drakeman_>well i have to go!
18:00<Knut`>we changed our local network
18:00<Knut`>it says "iface: command not found"
18:00<Knut`>what do I need for it?
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18:01<idbgthusiexist>lulz. i wonder if it worked since he left the irc so quickly
18:01<bja>Knut`: Sorry the line has to be on /etc/network/interfaces
18:01<bja>Knut`: And after that it should pick up the ip from your local dhcp
18:02<Knut`>ah ok
18:02<idbgthusiexist>make sure dhclient is installed
18:02<Knut`>let me try
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18:02<Knut`>I changed it, how to let the interface "reread" the config or something alike?
18:03<idbgthusiexist>ifdown eth0 and then ifup eth0
18:03<idbgthusiexist>knut
18:03<idbgthusiexist>(assuming it is eth0)
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18:03<dr|z3d>pump is a good command to have at your disposal, also.
18:03<bja>Knut`: /etc/init.d/networking restart
18:03<Knut`>it is
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18:04<Knut`>bja: Worked, thanks a lot to you :)
18:04<bja>!nexgt
18:04<bja>!next
18:04<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building
18:05<Knut`>:D
18:05<bja>no it should be stuffed :)
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18:05<bja>dr|z3d: for a moment i though of a plumbers pumb, he he
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18:10<sylarr> secure disk erase anyone?
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18:11<locklace>no thanks
18:11<Kjetil>How do I remove the "Universal Access Preferences"-icon that have snuck into my applets with some upgrade ?
18:12<dr|zed>Kjetil: Use Synaptic. It's quick.
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18:13<Akelon>Hi!
18:13<Interphase>Hi!
18:13<Kjetil>well. that would probably remove the package and some odd deps. I just want it gone from the menu
18:13<Akelon>é só br aki ?
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18:14<bja>!br
18:14<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:14<dr|z3d>Well, you said "remove".
18:14<dr|z3d>Be a bit more specific, we're not mind readers. :)
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18:15<Kjetil>dr|z3d: sorry :) Well. I figured it out, by ehm.. repeatedly rightclicking around the icon, the "Remove from panel, meny finally showed up" :P
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18:16<Kjetil>meh.. I killed the entire notification area.. damnit
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18:34<glassdimly>Greetings all. I'm having some trouble with a basic dhcp server configuration: oddly, even though I've reserved certain addresses as fixed, they're being assigned anyway. The particular address getting assigned is that address that the DHCP server is supposed to occupy. You can see my dhcpd.conf file here: http://pastebin.ca/1445491 . The one that's being assigned is "sancho" 192.168.10.3
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18:34<weasel>fix your range
18:35<weasel>it should only contain the dynamic ip address range
18:35<weasel>not any statically assigned addresses
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18:35<glassdimly>thank you. and should the static ip's be inside the parenthesis of the dynamic declaration?
18:36<glassdimly>as they are now?
18:36<weasel>I don't have it like that, I'm not sure it matters
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18:37<glassdimly>the problem is, my statics and non-statics are mixed in together
18:37<Kjetil>why. would you do that ?
18:37<glassdimly>I inherited it
18:37<glassdimly>Should it be different?
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18:38<Kjetil>it's cleaner to separate them imho
18:38<locklace>glassdimly: yes. keep your static space separate from your dynamically assigned space
18:38<glassdimly>Sigh.
18:38<glassdimly>Thanks all, I'll work on that
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18:40<locklace>glassdimly: you can still hack around it with the right range or exclude-address statements (whatever your dhcp server supports), but it's better to avoid that
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18:41<glassdimly>hmm. Yeah, I don't suppose I need 224 dynamic ip's, anyway :^)
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18:42<s0ckz>I installed fluxbox, now how can i get it to run instead of gnome?
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18:43<glassdimly>Do I have to declare the fixed ones inside the parens of the fixed range? That is do I need to do something like: subnet 192.168.10.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { my fixed IPs here }
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18:43<s0ckz>because i do exec startfluxbox, but then it gives me the error that another window manager is running
18:43<dr|z3d>Use gdm and set it as default is the simplest route, s0ckz
18:43<s0ckz>How do i do that?
18:43<adb>logout
18:44<s0ckz>^funny
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18:44<dr|z3d>-> /etc.init.d/gdm restart alternatively.
18:44<Kjetil>or ctrl-alt-backspace ?
18:44<dr|z3d>* /etc/init.d/gdm
18:45<dr|z3d>All of the above.
18:45<dr|z3d>You need to tell gdm to use fluxbox as default after you've selected it in "sessions"..
18:45<dr|z3d>Available to choose from the greeter.
18:45<glassdimly>I think I do. I'm answering my own question. Thanks all. I bet that will fix it.
18:46<s0ckz>dr|z3d what is it in gdm that im supposed to edit?
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18:47<dr|z3d>Edit nothing. Simply select fluxbox as your session and when it asks, say "yes please i want you as default always. love s0ckz" etc.
18:47<s0ckz>lol
18:48<dr|z3d>You *are* using gdm as your gretter, right?
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18:48<dr|z3d>*greeter
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18:50<s0ckz>So now, what should one do if when he logs in udner fluxbox.. and there nothing lol
18:50<s0ckz>under*
18:51<avu>read the documentation probably
18:51<s0ckz>ohh clever one
18:51<s0ckz>mk
18:51<s0ckz>be back latr
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18:51<dr|z3d>open a terminal and run some stuff.
18:51<dr|z3d>your panel. any one.
18:51<dr|z3d>gnome's is fine whilst you get a clue.
18:51<dr|z3d>gnome-panel &
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18:53<dr|z3d>alt-f2 -> gnome-terminal
18:53<retry>i just upgraded kernel and now system won't reboot
18:53<retry>using software raid/lvm for all partitions including boot
18:53<retry>deb installer forced me to use LILO
18:53<dr|z3d>retry: So select the previous kernel that did and be sure to pin it.
18:53<retry>there is no previous kernel
18:53<retry>this is pretty new install
18:53<retry>I think it's not the kernel that is wrong
18:54<retry>I think the kernel update didn't properly config lilo
18:54<ml|>just started using zsh, is it normal when using su, not to get a password prompt, all i see is empty space, it works just wondering if this default behavior
18:54<retry>Loading LinuxEBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage
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18:54<retry>that is the error I get ^
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19:26<ml|>just started using zsh, is it normal when using su, not to get a password prompt, all i see is empty space, it works just wondering if this default behavior
19:26<bzed>hmm no
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19:26<ml|>bzed: not default?
19:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 387] by debhelper
19:27<retry>How do I rescue my machine if LILO won't boot and my parititions are all on LVM on top of software RAID 1
19:27<bzed>think% su -
19:27<bzed>Password:
19:27<bzed>ml|: ^ as usual
19:28<abrotman>bzed: i didn't see your password there ...
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19:28<bzed>retry: /boot is on the LVM, too?
19:28<retry>yes
19:28<ml|>lol
19:28<tarzeau>what about a live cd?
19:28<bzed>retry: you should never doo that.
19:28<retry>why not?
19:28<tarzeau>i've used mine once to fix such a thing
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19:28<retry>don't you want raid integrity for /boot too?
19:28<bzed>retry: because its not supported. that lilo is able to boot from LVM is a large ugly hack
19:29<ml|>bzed: ok, i'm just used to using su what's the diff?
19:29<tarzeau>why not use GNU GRUB?
19:29<retry>well the debinstaller let me do it
19:29<tarzeau>gee lilo
19:29<retry>but it forced me to use lilo
19:29<bzed>ml|: none
19:29<tarzeau>retry: :)
19:29<retry>I'd have preferred grub
19:29<retry>i thought it chose lilo because grub couldn't do it
19:29<tarzeau>retry: nethack let's you put a bag of holding into another bag of holding too. but it's not a good idea
19:29<bzed>retry: as I said before, lilo is able to boot from that... sometimes... but its UGLY. it may break at any time.
19:29<retry>hmm
19:29<retry>well taht sucks
19:30<ml|>could it be something in zshrc?
19:30<retry>i read a tutorial about having everything raided under grub
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19:30<tarzeau>you can always install gnu grub at a later time...
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19:30<retry>and having both disks able to fall back as /boot
19:30<bzed>retry: raid 1 is not a problem at all with grub
19:30<tarzeau>how big is the disk?
19:30<retry>really
19:30<retry>then why the hell did the debinstaller force me to use lilo?
19:30<tarzeau>i think you need grub2 from disks at some TB size
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19:30<bzed>retry: because you put a LVM on it
19:30<tarzeau>retry: it sure didn't FORCE you?
19:30<retry>OH
19:30<bzed>tarzeau: no
19:30<retry>it was LVM ?
19:30<bzed>retry: you need to create a md device for /boot
19:31<retry>AHH
19:31<tarzeau>we have preseed-automated lvm installs with gnu grub
19:31<bzed>retry: create a small partition and a large one on all devices
19:31<tarzeau>lilo certainly is not forced w/ lenny
19:31<bzed>retry: make a md on the small ones and put /boot on it
19:31<retry>that makes sense bzed
19:31<bzed>tarzeau: it is in this case.
19:31<retry>I'm glad I ran into this prob before I deployed on all our machines
19:31<retry>this is the first one I set up with raid
19:31<dondelelcaro>so long as you have a /boot which isn't on lvm, you can use grub
19:31<bzed>retry: and on the large partitions you put another md and put lvm on top of that
19:31<bzed>retry: that works well :)
19:31<retry>yup I get you
19:31<retry>totally
19:32<retry>thanks
19:32<bzed>you're welcome :)
19:32<retry>now if only I could recover this machine
19:32<bzed>retry: boot with grml or any other erscue cd
19:32<bzed>retry: and in the worst case just sync the date to a different machine, probablyt the easiest way
19:32<bzed>retry: adding partitoins for /boot afterwards takes probably more time then a backup...
19:32<retry>yeah if I want to redo the entire parititoning scheme
19:33<retry>probably better to just trash it
19:33<bzed>retry: (although resizing should be possible in theory...)
19:33<retry>I actually can redeploy 80% of it with automated scripts
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19:33<retry>while it would be fun to try that bzed
19:33<retry>I don't think I can justify the time/expense
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19:34<retry>maybe I will just skip lvm entirely
19:34<retry>not sure I really need it
19:34<retry>I can just create various md devices
19:34<retry>does lvm add much overhead to IO ops?
19:34<tarzeau>i don't think so
19:35<bzed>retry: a bit, if you really need the pretty much most possible speed you probably want to skip it, but on modern hardware I doubt it matters
19:36<retry>that's sort of what I figured
19:36<ml|>can someone plz take a look at my zshrc, maybe i'm missing something... http://pastebin.com/f3c12892e
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19:37<tarzeau>ml|: here's mine: http://gnu.ethz.ch/linuks.mine.nu/conf/dotzshrc
19:38<ml|>tarzeau: thanks
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19:41<retry>I still use bash
19:41<retry>what's so great about zsh?
19:42<retry>I like bash :D
19:43<Guest316>good night every body
19:43<retry>you guys are much friendlier than the typical support chans on freenode
19:43<Guest316>my name is José Roberto, and I'm from Brazil
19:43<retry>thanks bzed and tarzeau for providing some usable information
19:43<abrotman>retry: there is a #debian on freenode
19:43<retry>yes I know :/
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19:44<abrotman>and it's mostly got the same people
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19:44<retry>good to know
19:44<retry>but freenode in general is an awful place imo
19:44<abrotman>just watch out for tarzeau .. he's mean and nasty!
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19:44<Guest316>my University is trying to organize a Open Source Day, with a install fest
19:44<retry>i don't mind...if he has good info he has the right to be
19:45<abrotman>hehe
19:45<retry>Guest316, you should get a tftp server going and PXE boot a bunch of machines
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19:46<Guest316>is there an way for me get some cds from Debian to give to who participate in this day?
19:46<abrotman>Guest316: you could make your own?
19:47-!-drakeman [~drakeman@190.32.183.34] has joined #debian
19:47<Guest316>it's because, in this city just me and more six people use Linux
19:47<adb>Guest316: try > /nick joroco , or so
19:47<bja>Guest316: Download the images, get a sponsor for the cds and burners and let the bakery start
19:47<abrotman>!br
19:47<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:47<abrotman>maybe find a local debian person to help
19:48<Guest316>how can I find some debian person?
19:48<drakeman>sney, bja, hey i already solve my printing problem, turboprint rulez :D, it works like a charm.,
19:48<drakeman>ml|, hey the printer problem is solved! :D thanks for all your help
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19:48<bja>drakeman: !congratulations
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19:48<bja>!congratulations drakeman
19:49<drakeman>bja, thanks! :D
19:50<junior-br>for sample
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19:50<junior-br>I could do the CDs
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19:50<junior-br>but I would like to make a beautiful work
19:50<junior-br>printing some pictures
19:51<ml|>drakeman: great congrats :) btw what fixed for you?
19:51<junior-br>how do I call the "frontpage" that is going in the CD case? - I'm brazilian >.< ... sorry
19:51<catorres>como hago para activarle a una laptop la tarjeta de red
19:51<ml|>that app
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19:52<bja>catorres: /j #debian-es
19:52<drakeman>ml|, the printer, remember you have been help me with that
19:52<catorres>el sistema que tengo es canaima
19:53<bja>!es
19:53<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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19:56<ml|>drakeman: yes, i' asking if that printing app did the trick?
19:57<drakeman>ml|, well im using turboprint right now, ....
19:57<ml|>yeah that's what mean :)
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19:57<ml|>*i
19:57<drakeman>ml|, i gave up with the .dmg driver file.
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19:58<ml|>heh
19:58<ml|>'well it's working :)
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20:01<drakeman>yep, thats right, whe mayor problem was get the fix for the turboprint :D
20:01<drakeman>ml|, lol
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20:26<doomcup>I'm having a very odd problem with xchat in debian squeeze
20:27<doomcup>When I right click links to open them in browser, they're instead opened by other programs
20:27<abrotman>other programs ?
20:27<doomcup>Like the images will tried to be opened by eye of gnome
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20:27<doomcup>The text files come up in a text editor
20:27<doomcup>Wierd stuff like that
20:27<abrotman>that doesn't sound abnormal
20:27<doomcup>It's called "open in browser"
20:27<doomcup>But see
20:27<doomcup>Before that, if I clicked a link in xchat, it would open in iceweasel
20:28<doomcup>like it's supposed to
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20:28<doomcup>This seems to have happened since I upgraded to squeeze from lenny
20:29<doomcup>So how can I get it to open links in iceweasel again?
20:30<chealer>!tell doomcup about enter
20:30<doomcup>Sorry, did I suddenly wander into #grammar by mistake? :p
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20:32<kenyon>doomcup: I remember having that problem on KDE, but sounds like you are on gnome.
20:32<doomcup>I am
20:33<doomcup>.
20:34<retry>there are handlers in the window manager for various file types and URIs
20:35<retry>i remember messing about with that in XFCE to get it to open image files in irfan view which I was running through WINE
20:36<doomcup>Huh
20:36<retry>http://people.w3.org/~dom/archives/2005/09/integrating-a-new-uris-scheme-handler-to-gnome-and-firefox/
20:36<retry>^ something along those lines I would think in GNOME
20:36<doomcup>I just went into Preferred Applications to change something.
20:36<doomcup>I got this error message:
20:36<doomcup>An error occurred while loading or saving configuration information for gnome-default-applications-properties. Some of your configuration settings may not work properly.
20:36<retry>ah
20:36<doomcup>I have been getting that every time I open a link in xchat.
20:37<retry>maybe just a permissions issue or something
20:37<doomcup>Do you think this is related to my just upgrading to sqeeze?
20:37<doomcup>Alright.
20:37<retry>probably yes
20:37<retry>why are you running a desktop on unstable code?
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20:38<doomcup>For hopes that some things will run a little better.
20:38<doomcup>I'm aware of the risks, though, I ran lenny when it was in testing.
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20:38<retry>is there a security repo for squeeze yet?
20:38<kenyon>someone's gotta do the testing
20:39<doomcup>Well, until I figure out just what is causing this, I can copy and paste links into iceweasel.
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20:42<bja>doomcup: Have you tried xdg-mime
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20:43<doomcup>And what's that?
20:43<doomcup>Also, I have the details from the error I keep getting.
20:43<bja>doomcup: Take a look at the man page i believe it is what you are looking for
20:43<bja>which is
20:43<doomcup>http://pastebin.com/m6965427a
20:44<retry>i think one line would have sufficed
20:44<doomcup>Oh, sorry.
20:44<retry>oh it's ok
20:45<retry>strange error
20:45<retry>wonder why it needs TCP connectivity
20:45<bja>doomcup: better safe than sorry
20:45<bja>doomcup: What de are you using
20:45<bja>doomcup: Desktop environment
20:46<doomcup>I am using Debian Squeeze i386, and GNOME for the desktop environment.
20:46<kenyon>retry: http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing but I have squeeze/updates in my sources.list and get no errors, but they don't use it like they do with stable
20:46<kenyon>security updates just propagate from unstable
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20:46<retry>kenyon, i just read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze
20:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 380] by debhelper
20:47<retry>last edit was 4/28
20:47<retry>so idk
20:47<retry>I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying it's what I read and you probably know better
20:47<doomcup>retry: I just got the same error message when I clicked "Open in Browser" for that link
20:47<doomcup>And it opened in epiphany.
20:47<retry>odd
20:48<kenyon>yeah that wiki page sounds right
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20:48<retry>oh it's just a temp suspension when lenny released
20:48<kenyon>yep
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20:52<bja>doomcup: Can you type on your console "xdg-mime query default image/jpeg" and paste the output
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20:53<doomcup>bja: eog.desktop
20:54<bja>doomcup: thx, thats your solution, take a look at the man page for the xdg-mime command it shows you there how to set the defaults, about the errors, well I haven't got a clue
20:55<bja>doomcup: Seems to be a nice frontend for xdg-mime. It took me a lot of time to figure it out
20:56<doomcup>I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand. I thought the way xchat handled links was handled by xchat, not GNOME.
20:56<doomcup>I also find it odd that a choice to open a link in a browser should open links in picture viewers and text editors.
20:56<bja>doomcup: It seems that xchat is the one that calls a default viewer for each mime type it encounters
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20:57<bja>doomcup: Well your choice might sound odd to others, thats what make us who we are.
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20:58<doomcup>Really, though, if the text says "open in browser", you expect to open it in a browser, do you not? xchat has worked this way previously.
20:58<doomcup>If this is an intentional change rather than my laptop throwing a tantrum, it doesn't seem necessary.
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20:59<hilacha>hi all, i have a problem with a bluetooth mouse that freeze linux after random moments randomly. anyone have a tip to fix it?
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21:00<bja>doomcup: check mime type, you might find odd things there too
21:00<Eurysilas>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=514784 <== Anyone know anything about this bug? It's a showstopper for me, but I'd like to avoid wasting another disc on Kubuntu.....
21:00<dr|z3d>hilacha: Sure. Get a mouse with a usb cable attached and infrared underneath. Best 10$ you ever spent. :)
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21:01<hilacha>hi dr|z3d.. but i need a infrared in the laptop too. and i do not have it.
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21:01<abrotman>that's a showstopper ?
21:01<hilacha>my laptop supports bluetooh natively.
21:01<hilacha>no additional hardware
21:01<dr|z3d>hilacha: Also, check the surface of wherever you're using the mouse. Colors can throw it. And check the batteries.
21:01<bja>hilacha: no usb ports?
21:02<hilacha>dr|z3d, no no... stop! :) this is a bluetooth mouse!
21:02<Eurysilas>abrotman: Yes, as it also affects moving entries around, too.
21:02<hilacha>no usb
21:02<dr|z3d>hilacha: No, I mean on the mouse, infrared. "intellieye as ms would call it". Just for clarification.
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21:03<dr|z3d>But, um. Bluetooth. Sit closer to the base station.
21:03<hilacha>dr|z3d, i know that it mouse just supports bluetooh; it is the microsoft notebook 5000 series
21:03<hilacha>the mouse works perfectly..
21:04<dr|z3d>So perfectly it "freezes Linux". Hmmkay.
21:04<hilacha>but when i go away, when i back randomly linux is halted
21:04<hilacha>it depends on my luck :)
21:04*dr|z3d laughs. "Oh the irony of a Microsoft hardware device crashing Linux!"
21:05<hilacha>yeap! i don't know what happens
21:05<hilacha>but it freeze my computer
21:05<hilacha>argghhh! :(
21:05<hilacha>dr|z3d, another tip?
21:06<locklace>hilacha: try a newer kernel
21:06<Eurysilas>hilacha: Just in case you get no help here, I have advice- almost anything of consequence will be logged in /var/log. Once you see anything fishy there, Googling suddenly becomes an option.
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21:06<hilacha>locklace, i have 2.6.29-2-amd64. it is near to the last
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21:07<hilacha>Eurysilas, thank you. but when my computer halts, it do not get to talk do the log daemon
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21:08<hilacha>do you use bluetooth?
21:09<locklace>hilacha: ok. well you can build your own 30rc and see if it helps; having your whole system freeze means it has to be a hw or driver problem. so if latest kernel doesn't help, you'll want to post to the appropriate kernel mailing list and/or raise a kernel bug
21:10<hilacha>locklace, i know this way, but i hoped that i do not have to follow it :( i will try to do it now
21:10<hilacha>thank you
21:10<locklace>hilacha: http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-bluetooth
21:10<locklace>let us know how it goes
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21:11<hilacha>ok. i return soon
21:13<Eurysilas>halacha: Not every log is cleared on session shutdown, you know. ;)
21:13<Eurysilas>*hilacha
21:13<hilacha>hi
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21:15<hilacha>Eurysilas, i do not understand what do you mean
21:15<sighK>what up
21:15<bja>hilacha: Nothing to bother, i tried installing a usb device on a windows machine with a similar mouse and the bluetooth crashed the machine.
21:16<hilacha>bja, but it works fine in windows
21:16<hilacha>the problem is just with linux
21:16<bja>hilacha: I said nothing to bother, there are some things on the way those mice work that is not fully stable, nothing more
21:17<hilacha>bja, ok. no fight :)
21:17<sighK>what is the device?
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21:17<hilacha>sighK, it is a microsoft notebook 5000, a bluetooh device
21:17<sighK>what is the pci name
21:17<bja>locklace: I'm still scratching that little itch you gave me
21:17<sighK>of the bluetooth
21:17<Eurysilas>hilacha: Well, what I mean is, the thing MIGHT still have a log of what went wrong. I believe it would be named with a "0" in it.
21:18<hilacha>sighK, pci name?! of the bluetooth device?
21:18<sighK>i didnt know microsoft made computers
21:18<sighK>type lsdev
21:18<hilacha>sighK, ooops.. it is a microsoft mouse :)
21:18<sighK>and look for the bluetooth device
21:18<hilacha>netuno:~# lsdev
21:18<hilacha>-su: lsdev: command not found
21:18<hilacha>netuno:~#
21:18<sighK>doubt its the mouse
21:19<sighK>sudo apt-get install procinfo
21:19<sighK>then try lsdev
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21:19<hilacha>sighK, in progress...
21:20<hilacha>sighK, there is a lot of devices...
21:20<Eurysilas>So, um....No one is interested in my problem? I mean, it's mundane, sure, but.....
21:20<sighK>whats your problem
21:21<hilacha>Eurysilas, sorry.. i did not see your problem.. if i can help, i will
21:21<sighK>hilacha - what version of debian are you running
21:21<hilacha>testing
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21:22<hilacha>the lsdev shows a lot devices
21:22<hilacha>and i can't find the bluetooth or mouse devices.
21:22<Eurysilas>Well, sighK, kmenuedit is not saving my changes correctly. I found this bug report, which seems to be similar, but....Nothing being fixed is mentioned.
21:22<hilacha>can i paste the output here?
21:22<Eurysilas>Bug report:
21:22<abrotman>hilacha: paste.debian.net
21:22<Eurysilas>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=514784
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21:23<sighK>Eurysilas - in terminal
21:23<hilacha>http://paste.debian.net/37895/
21:23<sighK>type ls -l ~/.kde
21:23<sighK>and see who owns it
21:23<sighK>you could try
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21:24<sighK>whoami
21:24<sighK>to get username
21:24<sighK>then
21:24<sighK>sudo chown -R youruser:yourusergroup !/.kde
21:24<sighK>~/.kde
21:24<sighK>sorry
21:24<sighK>~/.kde*
21:24<hilacha>sighK, i paste my lsdev there
21:25<sighK>when you do lsdev
21:25<sighK>does anything say bluetooth
21:25<sighK>or the manufacturer of the bluetooth?
21:25<sighK>its internel yes?
21:26<Eurysilas>sighK: Unfortunately, it is not an ownership problem......I own .kde.....
21:26<sighK>try ls -R ~/.kde*
21:27<sighK>try ls -l -R ~/.kde*
21:27<sighK>see if any of the files have bad owner
21:27<sighK>this happens sometimes when you run a kde app as root
21:27<sighK>it will overwrite a file in your dir
21:27<hilacha>sighK, no. it do not appears bluetooth
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21:27<hilacha>but i see the bluetooh device in the hciconfig
21:28<sighK>does it give you a model num for the bluetooth card
21:29<stxing>can the nvidia video driver be easily installed in Debian testing?
21:29<Eurysilas>sighK: Wait.....Should my group permissions on .kde be set to "Forbidden"? How about "others"? It's set to "Forbidden" too......
21:29<sighK>not on your group
21:29<sighK>they should be on everyone else
21:30<hilacha>sighK, i guess that the bluetooth is not a pci device
21:30<hilacha>sighK, that appears to be a usb device
21:30<sighK>did it say the device name for bluetooth?
21:31<hilacha>sighK, http://paste.debian.net/37896/
21:31<Eurysilas>sighK: So, then.....Should I change the "group" settings to "Read" or "R + W"? I don't want to introduce a security risk....
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21:32<hilacha>sighK, this is the lsusb: http://paste.debian.net/37897/
21:32<sighK>u+x
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21:33<hilacha>sighK, did you see that?
21:33<sighK>try chmod -R 444 ~/.kde*
21:33<sighK>going now
21:34<sighK>loading page
21:35<hilacha>sighK, are you talking the last 3 msgs to me?
21:35<sighK>Bus 004 Device 002: ID 08ff:1600 AuthenTec, Inc. AES1600
21:35<sighK>thats the bluetooth device
21:35<hilacha>sighK, ok :)
21:35<sighK>unless you have a fingerprint reader
21:35<hilacha>i have a fingerprint
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21:36<hilacha>the chicony is the camera
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21:36<chealer>stxing: if one is lucky
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21:39<stxing>chealer,is it better to use the nvidia-glx instead?
21:39<chealer>stxing: nvidia-glx is part of the nvidia video driver (the X part)
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21:41<hilacha>someone knows if the bluetooth stack software is a driver or like a firmware update?
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21:43<bishop>connected
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21:44<stxing>chealer,i want to know,which is more easier,to install the .run file from Nvidia Web site or to use the nvidia-glx driver from Debian sources?
21:44<abrotman>!tell stxing about nvidia
21:44<abrotman>!tell stxing about nvidia one-liner
21:45<chealer>stxing: it's the same driver (modulo the version). the .run is just not designed for Debian
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21:46<enouf>stxing: nvidia-glx is actually the more _easier_ part - it's the userland libs, not a kernel module
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21:47<enouf>stxing: any / all ".run" are not supported here
21:47<enouf>AFAIK
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21:51<stxing>abrotman,chealer,dpkg,enouf:thank you ,i will try nvidia-glx !
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21:52<ml|>when doing su in zsh shell i do not to get a password prompt, all i see is empty space, i can type a pasword it does work, but would like to fix this any ideas?
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21:59<hilacha>bye
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22:09<Eurysilas>Ok....I've established that it IS indeed a permissions error for KMenuEdit. So....where does KMenuEdit store its entries for the menus?
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22:12<Adrian>Hi guys. Does anyone know a way to stop apt automatically starting mysql (for example) when I do a apt-get install mysql-server? I don't mean on next boot, I mean during the install itself.
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22:15<user_>hey y'all, did something change with bluetooth? hciscan and other tools are not there anymore and i cant use my bluetootgh
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22:17<dmz>anyone?
22:19<Adrian>Doesn't look like there are many active people here! I can't help you with bluetooth (never used it), however what to you mean "not there anymore"? What did you do before they disappeared?
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22:19<dmz>it use to have a bunch of tools
22:20<dmz>hci-scan etc
22:20<dmz>i have done normal upgraes
22:20<dmz>but hci tools are gone
22:20<dmz>i went to debian site and searched packages
22:20<dmz>but they are not found tghere either
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22:21<Adrian>By upgrade, do you mean a dist-upgrade or just a apt-get upgrade?
22:21<dmz>its like bluez packages are there but no binaries in them
22:21<dmz>fyi i am a fomer debian developer
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22:21<dmz>i need another debian person w¥/ bluetooth to see what is missing
22:22<Adrian>Right, well I probably can't help you then! I do have a question of my own I'll repost though
22:22<Adrian> Does anyone know a way to stop apt automatically starting mysql (for example) when I do a apt-get install mysql-server? I don't mean on next boot, I mean during the install itself.
22:23<dmz>update-rc.d -f remove mysql
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22:23<dmz>oh during install
22:23<Adrian>yeah, couldn't see anything in the man pages or google
22:23<dmz>i do not think so
22:23<dmz>its caused me problems before
22:24<Adrian>Dang, oh well I'll have to work around that
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22:37<Golfgeo>Hi all
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22:40<Golfgeo>Got another general IT question: DHCP is broadcast and can be routed to other broadcast domains via a DHCP relay agent on the gateway router. Are there however general relay agents availible for the routing of other (unspecified) types of broadcast messages (on cisco routers and switches perhaps)?
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22:59<dondelelcaro>Golfgeo: there's nothing stoping you from doing that, but it's generally not done
22:59<dondelelcaro>Golfgeo: broadcast things generally shouldn't propogate outside of a subnet
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23:14<Golfgeo>dondelelcaro :-) Was reading some spec's but am back. I know it is "not done". But is there a relay agent availible on Cisco routers and switches that will enable me to do this?
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23:17<Golfgeo>Basicly I'm looking at some special hardware that needs to communicate with a central server, but for security reasons I'm looking to split the network up into a server edge and a client access edge. Since the special hardware is a client and used broadcast messages to detect the server service, I need to relay those messages
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23:32<Co_X>dear all expert... i need help on debian python... i ast at debian-python but no answer... will you help me?
23:33<Co_X>i neet to connect MySQL
23:33<Co_X>error on import MySQLdb
23:33<Co_X>it said "from MySQLdb.constants import FIELD_TYPE
23:33<Co_X>import error : No Module named constants
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23:33<Golfgeo>I guess debhelper "helped"
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23:43<TongueOfColicab>Hi, i've downloaded and installed firefox 3.0, when i try to watch videos on the browser (like in youtube) i just get the message, "get adobe flash player", next i downloaded adobe flash player and installed it,
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23:43<TongueOfColicab>but this works only in epiphany browser and konqueror
23:43<TongueOfColicab>not in firefox
23:44<TongueOfColicab>dont know why
23:44<TongueOfColicab>im using debian 5.0
23:46<TongueOfColicab>someone could help?
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23:46<drakeman>TongueOfColicab, in firefox you have problems with the videos?
23:47<TongueOfColicab>yeah i just get the message "get adobe flash player"
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23:47<drakeman>TongueOfColicab, if you write this dpkg -l | grep flash what do you get?
23:47<TongueOfColicab>i have installed adobe flash player but it only works for epiphany and konqueror
23:48<drakeman>TongueOfColicab, u install flash plugin before install firefox? or after?
23:48<TongueOfColicab>ii adobe-flashplugin 10.0.22.87-1 Adobe Flash Player plugin version 10
23:48<TongueOfColicab>ii kwordquiz 4:3.5.9-2 flashcard and vocabulary learning program for KDE
23:49<TongueOfColicab>i installed plugin after the browser
23:50<egypcio>TongueOfColicab
23:50<egypcio>u can install gnash
23:50<egypcio>works fine for me
23:50<TongueOfColicab>gnash?
23:50<egypcio>yup.
23:50<jrabbit>copy the .so's to the right places
23:50<jrabbit>reboot firefox
23:50<jrabbit>????
23:51<jrabbit>FLASH
23:51<jrabbit>About.
23:51<egypcio>well.. gn8 Leute
23:51<TongueOfColicab>where are located the .so's and what would be the right place?
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23:52<jrabbit>read firefox's docs or mozilazine
23:52<jrabbit>its there
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23:54<TongueOfColicab>i was checking the plugin directory on firefox's folder
23:54<TongueOfColicab>i just have the libnullplugin.so file
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23:56<drakeman>lswherei
23:56<drakeman>you need the plugin
23:56<drakeman>flash-mozilla.so
23:56<drakeman>mm you have iceweasel?
23:57<TongueOfColicab>yeap
23:57<drakeman>installed? or the iceweasel folder, i dont know
23:57<TongueOfColicab>installed
23:57<drakeman>TongueOfColicab, look into the iceweasel plugins folder, and try to copy the plugin flash-mozilla.so into firefox plugins folder
23:57<drakeman>and restart firefox,.
23:57<drakeman>TongueOfColicab, you can see flash movies correctly in iceweasel too?
23:58<TongueOfColicab>yeap iceweasel is fine
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23:59<drakeman>TongueOfColicab, well you should have that file into the plugins folder.
23:59<TongueOfColicab>but the iceweasel folder do not have .so files, well at least the one on etc folder
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