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00:00<ml|>colt: you can also do aptitude show xserver-xorg-video-nv and see if it says installed
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00:03<colt>much thanks.. will try after it reinstalls i thought it might have been bad disk
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00:41<drakeman>hey anyone can help my with my rssh, sftp problem? im trying to jail a user, but when i make all the steps, and i try to connect with that user i get Connection reset by peer message, but when i use a normal user i can connect normally!!!.....
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01:17<c>Hi.What do,rkhunter say "Please inspect: /dev/.static (directory) /dev/.udev (directory) /dev/.initramfs (directory)"
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01:31<hphubert>hi
01:31<jm_>c: all those are normal
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01:31<hphubert>do You know a program to control fan speed and temperatur with command gui?
01:33<jm_>lmsensors has pwmconfig and fancontrol
01:33<jm_>for laptops there's usually some other stuff
01:33<icebreacker>[ 0.248015] PCI: Not using MMCONFIG. Loading, please wait...Someone can help me?
01:34<icebreacker>i'm brazilian, but the channel debian-br, is too empty and i need help!
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01:36<kashif>hi all
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01:37<kashif>i an getting issue while try to install sendmail
01:37<icebreacker>kashif, do you know what is this : "[ 0.248015] PCI: Not using MMCONFIG. Loading, please wait..."?
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01:39<kashif>icebreacker: sorry no idea where you are getting this msg
01:39<icebreacker>on boot of my system this error is encontred what can i do about ?
01:40<kashif>icebreacker : may be hardware problem pci bus may to able to communicate with bootloader ao some thing like this pls reboot your system
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01:40<icebreacker>i found something about saying of i386 or ia64, but my processor is Core 2 duo, and I have installed the i386, something wrong?..sorry, but my inglish is too bad..i'm from brazil
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01:41<jm_>icebreacker: try a newer kernel first
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01:41<kashif>my error msg: http://paste.debian.net/38001/
01:42<jm_>it's nto an error, it's a suggestion what to do
01:44<icebreacker>jm_, if i make the download of netinst of ia64 of debian lenny, on the install process i will need to install all again? or Can i install kernel only? one more time, sorry about my bad inglish
01:45<jm_>icebreacker: no, ia64 is for hardware you can't afford - use either i386 or amd64 release
01:46<icebreacker>jm_, but my processor don't is amd
01:46<icebreacker>is core 2 duo intel.
01:47<jm_>icebreacker: yes, amd64 is a codename that works for both (amd was first so it was named after their implementation)
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01:49<icebreacker>jm_, ok, so i need to reinstall all with the netinst of amd64? allright? Becouse this error ocorred on the i386
01:50<c>GConf
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01:51<icebreacker>or there's another away?
01:52<icebreacker>is there another way?*
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01:52<icebreacker>away* sorry
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01:55<jm_>icebreacker: no, you need to reinstall when changing architecture
01:56<icebreacker>jm_, ok, so the architecture amd64 can resolve my problem allright?
01:57<jm_>icebreacker: probably yes
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01:59<icebreacker>jm_, thank you! sorry about my very bad inglish, and thank you for help me and to have patience with me..
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01:59<jm_>icebreacker: no problem
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01:59<icebreacker>i will go do all again now...goodnight
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02:00<jm_>enjoy
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02:12<kashif>help me my sendmail is slow and it has same error message in log
02:13<kashif>at this time my send mail is not reliable to send mail from it
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02:14<kashif>this is error log http://paste.debian.net/38002/
02:15<Co_X>dear all... i wonder to know where and how to control startup program when debian start? just like startup and run control registry at windows....
02:16<kenyon>kashif: are you just trying to send mail, not receive mail at that box?
02:16<kenyon>!tell Co_X about startup
02:17<kenyon>kashif: if you only want to send, try nullmailer instead of sendmail
02:17<Co_X>big thanks to kenyon... very helpfull.....
02:17<kashif>Kenyon: i didn't try receive mail from it but how to try this is my local box
02:18<kashif>kenyon: but i really want to receive mail from the same
02:18<kenyon>kashif: sendmail needs dns set up properly
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02:18<kenyon>that is your problem
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02:19<kashif>okay
02:19<ml|>just starting using zsh, whenever i use the delete key or in vi mode, after deleting the characters the keyboard stops working, so i have hit enter to get it to work again any ideas how to fix this?
02:20<kenyon>ml|: oh, mine does the same. It also makes characters go uppercase.
02:20<kashif>kenyon: i dont have /etc/senmail directory where is conf file
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02:20<kenyon>ml|: is that what you're seeing?
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02:21<ml|>kenyon: right so i guess that is normal? i tried adding a keybind in zshrc but same thing
02:21<kenyon>ml|: in vi mode, after pressing delete, you can press escape to get back to normal vi mode, then i to insert again.
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02:22<ml|>let me try that
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02:22<kenyon>ml|: don't know, I just always use vi-style delete key sequences. Ctrl-H works for deleting in insert mode for me.
02:23<cluster>kashif: http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/user/view/cs_msg/6371
02:23<trupheenix>!dpkg mirros
02:23<kenyon>ml|: as does ctrl-?
02:23<trupheenix>!dpkg mirrors
02:23<dpkg>[debian mirrors] http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>.
02:24<jm_>I use bindkey -e in zsh and del works just fine in X
02:24<kenyon>must be a vi mode thing then
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02:25<jm_>indeed - it behaves just like traditional vi does when pressing del ;)
02:26<ml|>kenyon: ^-h works fine as does backspace, deleting from the front does not
02:26<ml|>hmmm i think i know why let me see
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02:29<ml|>jm_: bind -e is for emacs mode?
02:29<jm_>ml|: yes, use bindkey '^[[3~' delete-char and del shall work in vi mode too
02:30<jm_>or whatever your sequence is
02:30<ml|>thought the problem was bindkey -v but after commenting it same problem
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02:31<ml|>jm_: did try that before, let me try it again
02:32<kenyon>jm_: yep, works for me
02:32*kenyon adds that to .zshrc
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02:38<ml|>jm_: that works and bindkey “${key[Delete]}” delete-char but when i add bindkey “${key[Home]}” beginning-of-line and bindkey “${key[End]}” end-of-line delete key goes back like before do you know how to add home end keys so it works alog with delete key?
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02:40<jm_>ml|: what is ${key[Delete]}, ${key[Home]}, ${key[End]} ?
02:40<jm_>bindkey '^[[7~' beginning-of-line ; bindkey '^[[8~' end-of-line works fine for me
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02:41<ml|>jm_: it was something i was trying to use in zshrc
02:41<ml|>let try those
02:41<ml|>me
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02:41<jm_>ml|: you may have wrong values in those variables then
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02:53<ml|>jm_: those for home and end don't work here same thing happens as before and even happens without adding that to zshrc, as long as i don't use those keys and only delete key[with bindkey "^[[3~" delete-char] everything is fine, i'll keep lookng to get those to work
02:53<jm_>ml|: find out if you get the same sequences for home/end then
02:54<ml|>jm_: ?
02:55<jm_>ml|: !
02:55<ml|>heh, what do you mean
02:55<jm_>find out if your home/end keys actually generate those sequences
02:56<ml|>ok lets see
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03:00<ml|>looks like it ... keysym 0xff50, Home keysym 0xff57, End
03:01<jm_>naah not that, do it in zsh
03:01<ml|>just tried to use dd and samething happens as before
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03:01<jm_>in zsh prompt press ctrl-v end
03:01<jm_>and ctrl-v home
03:02<ml|>jm_: oh, in zsh they go home and end, let me try that
03:03<ml|>same as without using ^
03:03<jm_>mind you, you need to do that in emacs mode
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03:05<ml|>so i'll add bind -e and remove bind -v, but without bind -v samething happens, but let me try that
03:06<jm_>I have no idea what the hell you're doing now
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03:07<ml|>i'm adding bindkey -e to zshrc and removing bindkey -v
03:08<jm_>you don't need to edit zshrc to test this shit, you can change from one to the other in runtime
03:08<jm_>so just start a new zsh shell, do bindkey -e, then press <ctrl-v><end> and you should see the sequence you get
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03:21<ml|>jm_: after trying what you suggested, bind -v is the problem, with bind -e home delete and end work as expected thank you for the help
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03:23<jm_>ml|: it works for me with bindkey -v
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03:24<ml|>don't know why it does not work with bindkey -v here, maybe something in zshrc, but kenyon was having same issue as mine
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03:35<insmod>i have one connection laptop wifi and desktop hard wired in 1) they two separate ip address' even though through the same router 2) i can no longer conect to the router via 192.168.61.1
03:36<insmod>an ideas
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03:40<Hideo>!sense
03:40<dpkg>hmm... sense is what I don't make
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03:46<Supaplex>insmod: using dhcp?
03:46<Supaplex>oh pity. our prey has left.
03:46<Supaplex>!next
03:46<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building
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03:47<Hideo>he didn't make any sense to me
03:49<Supaplex>is that the Candian dilect of English?
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03:49<Hideo>heh, maybe google translator dialect
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03:49<Supaplex>haha. perhaps
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03:54<matt76761>is there a utility in Debian, which allows me to view CPU speed(FSB and multiplier) in real time? Something like CPU-Z in Windows environment, but it doesn't have to GUI application. Any suggestions?
03:54<jm_>you can see current cpu frequency in /sys or using cpufreq-info
03:55<Supaplex>I've seen powertop show cpu freq, but I don't think I've seen it display fsb
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03:55<jm_>yeah that's probably a table with data for various cpu types that cpu-z displays
03:55<shamanix>Info-Sistema www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Info-Sistema?content=42435
03:57<shamanix>closest thing to cpu-z I found till now
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03:57<Supaplex>run it in wine ;)
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03:58*Supaplex tries it, just because he can .. hummm
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03:58<jm_>dmidecode shows external clock for me
03:58<shamanix>cpu-z doesn't work in wine at least in the 1.1.20+ series
04:00<Supaplex>neat. driver error. a previous version of the device driver is already running. This program requires version 1.32. It still runs, but displays no usefull information in all the field areas. they're all blank. :)
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04:03<peterS>is 'driver error' like 'pilot error'?
04:03<Supaplex>no. more like software api to the hardware.
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04:03<Supaplex>like a kernel module
04:05<peterS>or maybe 'driver error' is like 'duh, you should have used a 9 iron'
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04:05<Tovenaar>Does anyone know where I can change the keymapping settings of bash?
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04:06<jm_>Tovenaar: nope
04:06<Supaplex>Tovenaar: 'help bind'
04:06<shamanix>setxkmap
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04:08<peterS>Tovenaar: ~/.inputrc
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04:08<peterS>('man bash' and search for 'inputrc', for details)
04:09<Supaplex>Tovenaar: also, you could be a little more specific.
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04:09<peterS>wow, that manpage must be one of the last places in the world they still call the delete key 'rubout'
04:09<Tovenaar>How can I talk to someone personal like you do to me supaplex?
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04:09<Supaplex>!msg
04:09<dpkg>(1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/).
04:09<Razique>Hi all !
04:09<Tovenaar>thanks
04:09<Supaplex>Tovenaar: in a word, no.
04:10<matt76761>jm_: for some reason I don't have this file. Under /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0 folder are cache, cpuidle, topology folders and crash_notes file. I don't have /proc/cpufreq file or /proc/sys/cpu/ either. CPU model is Intel Celeron M 430@1.73GHz. Any ideas?
04:10<Razique>I hava a JBoss server and I need the java 1.5 sdk
04:10<jm_>matt76761: you don't have cpufreq modules loaded or it doesn't support your CPU
04:10<Razique>I cannot find it for my Etch i 686 box
04:10<gsimmons>!tell Razique -about install java etch
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04:11<Razique>gsimmons, it's not the JDK I need but the SDK
04:11<Razique>I found the jds via aptitude ;)
04:12<Razique>jdk* sorry
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04:12<jm_>that's what jdk should be
04:12<Supaplex>etch? isn't that old and moldy?
04:12<peterS>jdk stands for 'java development kit'. it is an sdk, software development kit, for java.
04:12<jm_>indeed
04:12<Supaplex>time to blow out the cobwebs and upgrade. :)
04:13<Razique>can't it's a production server man :p
04:13<peterS>the usual distinction is between jdk for development and jre (java runtime environment) for simply running java code
04:13<snogglethorpe>hmm
04:13<Supaplex>Razique: what are you going to do when updates stop for etch?
04:13<snogglethorpe>the hostname / dnsdomainname commands seem to claim that they can also set the name, but it doesn't seem ork tow...
04:13<snogglethorpe>is there a trick?
04:14<Supaplex>hint, plan on upgrading sooner. :)
04:14<snogglethorpe>e.g.: sudo dnsdomainname my.domain.name
04:14<Razique>ok my mistake I didn't knew the difference, i'm just a sysadmin
04:14<snogglethorpe>prints out the help for the command
04:14<Razique>when will updates stop for Etch ?
04:14<Supaplex>Tovenaar: I already said no /msg. you've got a whole channel of people willing to help here.
04:14<snogglethorpe>but the help for the command suggests that it should work...
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04:14<Supaplex>haha. that's qotd material.
04:14<Tovenaar>Oh sorry.
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04:15<Tovenaar>Well I know how to change the language settings (keyboard) in gdm. But I need to know how to change it when I type ctrl+alt+f1 (what's the correct naming of that?) Thanks in advance
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04:16<jm_>Tovenaar: loadkeys, or configure console-tools and it will do it for you
04:16<peterS>snogglethorpe: 'hostname foo' works. it doesn't seem to "take effect" right away because you typically check the hostname by looking in your shell prompt, which is only updated at shell startup time
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04:16<peterS>snogglethorpe: as for dns domain name, the way 'hostname -f' calculates that is, it looks at your hostname ('foo') and looks for it in /etc/hosts, and takes the first hostname on that line
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04:17<peterS>snogglethorpe: so if in /etc/hosts you have: 127.0.1.1 foo.my.dom foo then it will find the 'foo' and assume the fully qualified hostname is foo.my.dom.
04:17<snogglethorpe>peterS: but the setting bit (e.g., so just "dnsdomainname" can print somethign) doesn't work?
04:17<snogglethorpe>hmm seems a bit broken...
04:18<peterS>snogglethorpe: given how 'hostname -f' finds the full hostname (I think dnsdomainname is the same), the only way it could work is if it edited /etc/hosts. which I very much doubt it would do.
04:18<Supaplex>dpkg: qotd241 is <Supaplex> time to blow out the cobwebs and upgrade your etch box. :) <Razique> can't it's a production server man :p <Supaplex> what are you going to do when updates stop for etch? <Razique> ok my mistake I didn't knew the difference, i'm just a sysadmin
04:18<dpkg>Supaplex: okay
04:18<jm_>Supaplex: he meant the difference in jdk vs sdk
04:18<peterS>snogglethorpe: keep in mind the regular hostname is cached by the kernel, so 'hostname' just has to ask the kernel for current hostname. but the FQDN is looked up in /etc/hosts, not by asking the kernel.
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04:19<matt76761>jm_: "modprobe cpufreq" gives: "FATAL: Module cpufreq not found". I think my CPU is this: http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27172&processor=&spec-codes=SL68C,SL69Z It really doesn't support Speed Step Technology, but I am not sure, that this is the same CPU that is in my laptop.
04:19<Razique>ok I get it
04:19<Razique>thanks
04:19<snogglethorpe>peterS: well anyway, what you say seems to work
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04:19<jm_>matt76761: try loading acpi_cpufreq first
04:19<snogglethorpe>peterS: the failure mode could be a bit clearer though...
04:19<peterS>snogglethorpe: also, 'man dnsdomainname' does not show anything about _setting_ anything using that command. I'm looking at the SYNOPSIS section of the manpage, at the top
04:20<snogglethorpe>peterS: right, i'm just saying what the command help seems to indicate
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04:20<jm_>matt76761: or not, this is older CPU than I thought
04:20<snogglethorpe>peterS: actually it only says you can set the _NIS_ domainname
04:21<snogglethorpe>peterS: so i guess it's accurate
04:21<peterS>yeah ... which is why 'dnsdomainname' has such a long name, 'domainname' was already taken by NIS, which nobody uses anymore (:
04:21<jm_>matt76761: are you using a debian kernel?
04:21<Co_X>dear all... if windows have "Program files" to keep all program that installed.... where is debian do?
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04:22<Razique>omg
04:22<Razique>Sun do crap
04:22<Razique>java 5 refers to java 1.5
04:23<peterS>Razique: yes, java 2 is the same as java-1.2-and-higher, java 5 is java-1.5, java 6 is java-1.6. this is right in line with Solaris 7 which was really Solaris 2.7
04:23<peterS>I wonder if Windows 7 also means Windows 2.7
04:23<Razique>ahah
04:23*Supaplex watches iceweasel go f00m in a cloud of smoke
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04:24<jm_>matt76761: all cpufreq modules -- ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/arch/*/kernel/cpu/cpufreq -- your CPU looks like p4 era, so i'd say the only thing that applies to it is p4-clockmod which can't do frequency scaling, but I am not really familiar with intel cpu-s from that batch
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04:29<simonrvn>Co_X: that's your PATH (a shell variable) is for. to see it, do echo $PATH
04:29<matt76761>jm_: "modprobe acpi_cpufreq" gave "FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/spufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device". Kernel is bit newer than Lenny's default: 2.6.27-7-generic. CPU model is "Celeron M 430" and details are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Celeron_microprocessors However, it relly looks like this "Celeron M 430" does not support Speed Step Techology :
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04:30<jm_>Co_X: binaries usually go in /usr/bin - but apps can have other that elsewhere too, say /usr/share, and then there's /usr/lib etc. - it's quite different to windows
04:30<matt76761>jm_: as you can see, release date is 04.2006
04:30<jm_>matt76761: yeah, it's too old for it, so I think clockmod is the only thing that might work for it
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04:35<matt76761>jm_: yes, finally I found a intel detailed info about this specific CPU: http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27150 and no "Enhanced Intel® Speedstep Technology". Using clockmod I am able to overclock and underclock the CPU of my notebook?
04:35<jm_>matt76761: no, clockmod is to prevent overheating
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04:38<Supaplex>jm_: shhh, he might find the source and hack it to fry his processor.
04:38<Supaplex>:)
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04:40<Co_X>simonrvn : thats helpfull informatin
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04:40<Co_X>simonrvn : thats helpfull information
04:40<simonrvn>s,ll,l, ;)
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04:40<Co_X>jm_ : then... there where all installed program managed....
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04:41<matt76761>jm_: ok, thanks. One more question: is "dmidecode --type 4" output realtime? I mean there is for example "current speed" value, but is it real time or is it something stored in BIOS?
04:41<Co_X>it's very different in windows... but... it's fun to learn it....
04:41<jm_>matt76761: it isn't realtime for me
04:42<Supaplex>matt76761: man watch
04:44<matt76761>jm_: ok, but if my CPU doesn't support cpufreq module, then how can I see the realtime speed of my CPU? Or in my case it is always 1733MHz?
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04:44<jm_>matt76761: it's always that speed then
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04:46<matt76761>jm_: ok, I see. And if I for example overclock or underclock my machine via BIOS, the "current speed" field in "dmidecode --type 4" will change accordingly.
04:46<jm_>matt76761: possibly :)
04:46<Supaplex>perhaps
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04:47<stuckey>When I run "shnsplit" I get "command not found", even though I've got the package "cuetools" installed. And cuetools is what comes up when I search with "apt-cache search shntools".
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04:48<jm_>shntool: /usr/bin/shnsplit
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04:48<jm_>!tell stuckey -aout search
04:48<stuckey>so it doesn't get installed in my path automatically?
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04:49<jm_>it does, but that package does *not* have shnsplit binary
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04:49<stuckey>Wait, so I still need to install shnsplit?
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04:52<stuckey>jm_: What do I do?
04:52<jm_>stuckey: find which package has the tool you want to run and install it
04:52<stuckey>jm_: cuetools?
04:52<jm_>stuckey: nope
04:52<stuckey>jm_: that's the only thing that comes up with I search for it.
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04:52<stuckey>jm_: how do I find it then?
04:52<jm_>stuckey: you're not searchign properly, see what dpkg told you
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04:53<matt76761>The real issue why I investigated this all was because my wifes "HP Compaq nx7400" is very slow when the laptop battery is inserted(for example it boots up about 5 minutes) and the battery recharges very slowly. However, according to "top" no particular program is taking all the CPU power- even mouse moves a bit slowly. I even tried with Ubuntu LiveCD and the results were same. What I thought was that maybe Intel Speed Step Technology
04:53<stuckey>So I use apt-file.
04:53<jm_>indeed
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04:54<stuckey>shntool: /usr/bin/shnsplit
04:54<stuckey>jm_: that's all it says
04:55<jm_>stuckey: yes, it tells you package name -- shntool
04:55<stuckey>Okay so I'm supposed to install that package.
04:55<jm_>matt76761: did you check CPU temperature?
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04:55<jm_>yup
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04:56<matt76761>jm_: I installed "lm-sensors" but they didn't find any sensors
04:56<jm_>matt76761: try sensors-detect
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04:57<matt76761>jm_: I did "sensors-detect" as well and answered YES every time
04:58<jm_>manufacturers like hp, dell, ... are notorious for not adding sensors to motherboard, luckily newer cpu-s have builtin sensors
04:58<jm_>matt76761: right, it's what I expected
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04:58<stuckey>Anyone know how I can name a file based upon information in a .cue file?
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04:58<jm_>stuckey: what do you mean?
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04:59<stuckey>jm_: I have four .flac files named "split-track*.flac", and I have a .cue file with file names in it. I want to have that information in the cue file be the names of the files (it's song names).
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05:01<jm_>stuckey: sorry but I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to do - cue is just a header with references to other files where the real info is (and cue has info like track length etc.)
05:01<jm_>header is probably not the right word
05:01<matt76761>jm_: there is no CPU temp info in BIOS as well. Does "lm-sensors" detect only those sensor IC's, which are mounted on the motherboard?
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05:02<stuckey>jm_: no, .cue has track names
05:02<stuckey>I want to take those track names and apply them as file names.
05:03<jm_>matt76761: no, it can also detect built-in (into CPU) sensors
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05:05<jm_>stuckey: no, those are filenames
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05:05<jm_>it even says FILE "foo"
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05:07<matt76761>jm_: ok, but is it possible that this my "Celeron M 430" doesn't have internal temp sensor? I am rather sure, it has...so why doesn't "sensors-detect" detect this sensor?
05:08<jm_>matt76761: yes, I think first CPU-s to have them were athlon64 for AMD and "core" series for intel
05:09<jm_>maybe those newer pentium D-s had them too, I don't know
05:09<Supaplex>!lart algx
05:09*dpkg holds algx to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails
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05:10<matt76761>jm_: on the other hand I remember a video with Athlon and I think it was P4 or Celeron, where Intel CPU did slow down when the internal temperature of CPU was too high(then ran those CPU's without cooling).
05:11<matt76761>jm_: or isn't that kind or temp sensor same as the one which can be detected by lm-sensors?
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05:12<jm_>matt76761: yes, but the sensor wasn't accessible from outside
05:12<matt76761>jm_: found the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxNUK3U73SI
05:13<matt76761>jm_: ok, thats what I thought as well. By the way, cool video :D
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05:17<pawel>how to make ls -R output absolute paths?
05:17<Supaplex>use find? :)
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05:19<dr|z3d>pawel: You might find ls -R helps some. (rescursive).
05:20<dr|z3d>Then again, you might find it useless for you needs. ymmv. :)
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05:24<Supaplex>that, or perl6
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05:33<pawel>Susaplex: thanks, "find / '' -mount" is exactly what I need
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05:34<Supaplex>:) awesome. -type f or -type d is pretty handy too.
05:34<matt76761>jm_: ok, but if "Celeron M 430" has internal temp sensor and for example the heatsink is not properly connected with CPU, then you think that CPU slows himself down just like in this video? If yes, then shouldn't it just underclock the CPU and I should be able to detect this using "dmidecode --type 4" "current speed" field?
05:35<jm_>matt76761: to be honest, I have no idea - according to my konwledge it should yes
05:36<jm_>matt76761: I don't know how this is implemented
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05:50<kashif>any one has a idea of ip clone
05:50<kashif>i really need it to configure
05:51<Supaplex>what do you mean by ip clone?
05:51<kashif>like eth0:xx.xx.xx.xx and i want eth0:1 yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy
05:51<Supaplex>ahh. ip alias. man interfaces
05:52<jm_>yes, but you can't change its MAC address
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05:53<Supaplex>you'd have to bridge to a dummy interface, and set the mac of the dummy0 to the other mac address.
05:53<kashif>i really do want to change mac address but point two ip address at single mac
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05:54<Supaplex>you can change the mac via ifconfig
05:54<kashif>sorry do not want to change mac
05:54<Supaplex>optionally of course.
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05:54<jm_>then simply add another IP to the existing interface
05:54<kashif>how
05:54<locklace>man ip
05:55<Supaplex>create another interface called eth0:1 in /etc/networking/interfaces
05:55<jm_>the simplest way ip addr add 1.2.3.4 dev eth0
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05:56<jm_>you can also do it via interfaces file like Supaplex said (back then I remember it reporting some errors when it was being set, but it still worked)
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06:10<_mysty_>Hi. I'm really struggling to get the big picture on having multiple versions of the same software on one system. If I install a different version of a package into my /usr/local, will other packages that depend on that software use the /usr/local version or the /usr version?
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06:12<locklace>_mysty_: short answer is it doesn't work that way. you have exactly one version of a package insalled and it uses the official system dirs
06:12<themill>_mysty_: that's a great way of having software that doesn't work or ends up being quite unpredictable in how it behaves. What are you trying to do?
06:13<locklace>_mysty_: barring special things like chroot environments (which are effectively separate systems), you do not have the ability to install packages into some tree of your choice, they use the system tree
06:13<Supaplex>_mysty_: That's a little vague, but generally programs need $PATH or /etc/ld.so.con* and as themill suggested, it's not eaisly maintainable. I had two different releases of perl installed once, and it was a big headache.
06:13*Supaplex *smootches* vserver
06:14<Supaplex>dpkg: chroot vs vserver
06:14<dpkg>vserver wins!
06:15<ml|>hah
06:15<_mysty_>My goal is to have a package for "personal use" and I want the rest of the system to ignore it.
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06:16<Supaplex>that should live in ${HOME}/ some place then.
06:16<_mysty_>locklace, themill, Supaplex, what you have said so far sounds good to me.
06:16<_mysty_>oh, so I shouldn't build it in /usr/local?
06:16<themill>_mysty_: "a package". Please try to be more vague....
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06:17<Supaplex>uh files. right? :D
06:17<themill>pr0n collection?
06:17<locklace>files are overrated
06:17*Supaplex dodges themill's clue by four
06:17<_mysty_>themill, there exists a package providing software of a particular version. I would also like to keep a different version of the same software.
06:17<locklace>my goal is to have a system the consists of nothing but directories
06:17<Supaplex>it's a super sekret package?
06:18<_mysty_>and ideally, I would like one other manually installed piece of software to know about the custom version
06:18<jm_>_mysty_: you can put it in /usr/local/blabla-9.385-xyz
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06:18<_mysty_>jm_, how confident can I be that won't stuff up the rest of the system?
06:18<themill>_mysty_: debian and it's packaging system usually doesn't support multiple versions of the same software installed. There are very rare exceptions to this (kernel and python being the most common). If this is just executables then jm_'s suggestion is fine. If it's dynamic libraries then it's best not to do this at all.
06:19<Supaplex>let's keep extra copies in /opt /srv and /tftpboot just to be sure. ;)
06:19<jm_>_mysty_: debian doesn't put anything in /usr/local, nothing from Debian should touch it either (unless told to do so via config files etc.)
06:20<jm_>it's also OK for libs, as long as you don't do something silly like adding its dir to ld.so.conf
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06:21<_mysty_>So if I install a newer version of, say, X to /usr/local, which version will debian use when next I boot?
06:21<locklace>:(
06:22<_mysty_>What I have heard so far makes me think it would be the old version, so it's relatively safe to take this action. Am I wrong?
06:22<jm_>don't use /usr/local, use /usr/local/someprefix - Debian will use /usr/bin/X
06:22<_mysty_>good, that's what I want :)
06:22<_mysty_>so nothing will use the /usr/local unless specifically told?
06:23<jm_>yes, debian leaves management of /usr/local to you so it doesn't touch it
06:23<Supaplex>that, and well uhm, this borders <sid>. if it breaks, don't expect us to clean up after it.
06:23<EmleyMoor>I manage my /usr/local with xstow where possible
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06:24<themill>_mysty_: it depends on how your PATH and ld.so.conf are configured as to which ones you get. You're heading for wildly inconsistent states and a lot of pain here.
06:24<Supaplex>I just hope your /usr/local critters are smart enough to not meddle with stuff elsewhere.
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06:25<themill>_mysty_: If you really want to muck about with different versions of software then you might have better luck with either a chroot or a virtual machine of some description
06:25<rmrchik_>why libpango1.0-0 depends on thai? i do not use thai
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06:26<Supaplex>!hit the sack
06:26*dpkg slaps the sack.
06:26<jm_>rmrfchik: i was wondering what happened to -f -- so the same package works for you and people needing thai support
06:26<_mysty_>Wow, ok, so it seems I should avoid multiple versions of anything if at all possible.
06:27<themill>_mysty_: unless you like pain and confusion, yes
06:27<locklace>or unless you know what you're doing
06:28<Supaplex>_mysty_: a seasoned user can pull it off. there are multiple levels of new trouble lurking there.
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06:28<rmrfchik>all I need is to have firefox on headless server. and, here, I have to install xinerama, thai support, printer support, composite support, x cursors support
06:28<rmrfchik>what de...
06:29<rmrfchik>something wrong with gtk/pango packages
06:29<locklace>that isn't news
06:29<_mysty_>Well, thank you for your advice.
06:31<themill>rmrfchik: why do you want firefox on the server at all?
06:31<rmrfchik>to manage glassfish on localhost
06:31<Supaplex>ssh tunneling ftw
06:31<themill>quite.
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06:32<Supaplex>mmm, maybe not including X tunneling in that case.
06:32<rmrfchik>Supaplex: you really think the problem is in my firefox usage and not in gtk packages?
06:33<themill>rmrfchik: if you just want to be able to run http connections to that machine and have them look like they came from the local machine, then just ssh tunnel the http connection.
06:34<rmrfchik>themill: you really think the problem is in my firefox usage and not in gtk packages?
06:34<Supaplex>!confuse rmrfchik
06:34<dpkg>No, where is your weasel tomorrow, rmrfchik? Wellies of the Monarchy of Mongolia with extra cheese.
06:34<themill>rmrfchik: Running iceweasel on your local machine should be sufficient -- the SwitchProxy add-in is handy for this btw and use ssh socks proxy
06:34<Supaplex>we didn't say that at all.
06:34<themill>rmrfchik: imho something like firefox has no place on a server
06:34<Supaplex>by that, anything to do with gtk
06:35<rmrfchik>I know how to fix my particular problem. I want to point to gtk, not firefox on server
06:35<Supaplex>this sounds like a cause for, let em do it their way.
06:36<Supaplex>anyway. graymatter at localhost is expired. time for a recharge. zzZZzzz ttyl.
06:36<themill>night Supaplex.
06:36<jm_>this problem has been discussed in the past many times, read mail archives for pro/contra ideas
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06:54<melkart>www.freenetproject.org doesn't work with debian sun-java6-bin, neither in lenny nor in squeeze. it works with ubuntu 9.04, which has the same version of sun-java6-bin as squeeze
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06:54<melkart>(i cant select another language than english=
06:54<melkart>)
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06:58<fanto666>hello, can I install lenny by booting from floppy?
06:58<jm_>fanto666: no
07:00<fanto666>some previour releases had option to boot from floppy and continue from usb stick, can I at least build kernel+ramdisk to do that?
07:01<themill>melkart: are you sure that you're using sun java? run "java -version" to check
07:01<jm_>!floppy install
07:01<dpkg>[bf] Boot floppies are Debian Installer images written to floppy disk(s), then used to install a Debian system. Not available for Lenny, ask me about <errata>. For Etch, ask me about <etch floppies>.
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07:02<fanto666>!errata
07:02<dpkg>Last minute notes regarding Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 (Lenny) are listed at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/errata . Installation system errata is at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/debian-installer/#errata . For Etch, ask me about <errata etch>.
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07:09<melkart>themill: i get "java version 1.5.0, gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.3.3....
07:09<melkart>themill: how do i set sun java as default?
07:10<jm_>melkart: via alternatives - man update-alternatives
07:10<jm_>or update-java-alternatives
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07:12<themill>melkart: update-java-alternatives is the easiest/best way of doing that
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07:16<melkart>thanks a lot. i got it to run
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07:52<alessandro>ciao
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07:53<alessandro>! list
07:53<dpkg>alessandro: VATTENE VIA
07:53<alessandro>perch??
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07:53<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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08:00<panv>please, if someone has an experience in this. i want to connect to internet using GPRS with a USB Modem Stick
08:00<panv>i don't know what is the device where it is connected.
08:00<panv>when i plug the usb...
08:00<Guest501>lsusb i guess
08:00<panv>i need the device name to write the configuration file..
08:01<panv>ok. but what is the string ??
08:01<panv>i mean ... /dev/>?????
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08:01<Guest501>try to enter "lsusb" to the terminal, should give some infos on this.
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08:02<Guest501>it should be on /dev/
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08:02<panv>ya, i did that.. .but no information about /dev/...
08:02<Guest501>ah
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08:02<petern>ttyUSB
08:02<panv>Bus 003 Device 003: ID 12d1:1003 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. E220 HSDPA Modem / E270 HSDPA/HSUPA Modem
08:03<panv>and dmesg gives the following...
08:03<panv>usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
08:03<panv> Vendor: HUAWEI Model: Mass Storage Rev: 2.31
08:03<panv> Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
08:03<panv>sr0: scsi-1 drive
08:03<panv>sr 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0
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08:05<panv_>sorry, i was kicked for pasting.. lol
08:05<themill>t panv_ paste
08:05<panv_>hihihihihi
08:05<panv_>i know..
08:05<panv_>sorry.
08:05<panv_>won't happen again.
08:05<panv_>please.. about my issue.
08:05*themill swears at his outgoing rewriting regex
08:06<themill>panv: checking dmesg can help that. I don't know if such devices present themselves as /dev/ttyUSB0 or some other modem device
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08:07<themill>http://wiki.debian.org/Huawei/E220 might help
08:07<panv_>dmesg gave sr0
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08:07<panv_>ok... thanks.
08:07<panv_>let me check.
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08:20<zebulon>Hi
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08:21<zebulon>can someone explain to me howto install a manpage. I am a bit confused how to do that
08:22<azeem_>zebulon: which one?
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08:22<wuseldusel>hi! i'm really scared: i'm using testing with kde3.5. the last apt-get upgrade replaced some kde applications with their kde4 equivalents (konsole, kmix, klipper) and removed some of them from the startmenu. they also have the new look instead of plastique. but what makes me even more scaring is that apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove kde kde-core kdebase and the like... is there something going wrong?
08:23<azeem_>wuseldusel: no, testing transitioned to KDE4
08:23<azeem_>the core packages might have been renamed
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08:23<zebulon>azeem: ok I am building my package manpage with artridis.6.ex
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08:23<azeem_>zebulon: remove the .ex, for starters
08:24<zebulon>I just call it artridis.6 ?
08:24<azeem_>if 6 is the right section, yes
08:24*themill subscribes wuseldusel to debian-devel-announce
08:24<zebulon>azeem: thx
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08:25<gedO>hey, can anyone tell my nvidia irc canell name?
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08:26<zebulon>azeem: do I add in debian/dirs usr/man/man6 ?
08:26<locklace>gedO: #nvidia on irc.freenode.net
08:26<azeem_>zebulon: manpages are in /usr/share/man
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08:27<gedO>thx :)
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08:28<zebulon>azeem: thx, I'll try that first
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08:33<matt76761>I have a "HP Compaq nx 7400" laptop(Celeron M 1.73GHz; 512MB RAM; 80GB HDD; Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS graphics) and it boots Debian Lenny to GDM 4,5 minutes. Another nearly 5 minutes goes for starting Gnome. During boot time there is no timeout or something like that...everything just goes slowly..it is like CPU works not on 1.73GHz. but 200MHz. Any ideas?
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08:34<jm_>matt76761: did you try disabling acpi, apic etc?
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08:39<matt76761>jm_: should I add in GRUB's menu.lst file at the end of the "kernel" line "acpi=off noapic" ?
08:40<jm_>matt76761: even easier is to edit the command line while at boot prompt
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08:40<fanto666>Did some rules for (pre)configuring packages change between etch and lenny? seems ifplugd won't get configured when installed on lenny, I don't see any difference in .preinst and .postinst files
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08:47<Zathraz>Hi. I upgraded the kernel on Debian Lenny yesterday. When I booted today I had an interesting "issue". /dev/sda1 is my boot partition of 250mb which works fine. /dev/sda2 (about 970GB!)is my other partition. It has become unreadable: no correct superblock or magic number. Also not readable using Knoppix. Partitions are RAID1 on an Areca Controller. Any hints or tips please?
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08:47<Zathraz>I do not have access to the machine atm
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08:47<jm_>Zathraz: did you try using alternative superblocks? checked if there are hardware errors?
08:48<Zathraz>areca did not complain
08:48<Zathraz>tune2fs and e2fsck seem to to be able to handle the partition
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08:48<Dominique>Hi! I purchased a new PC and am not able to start debian after install. there seems to be a problem with the display card (onboard). After installation, Debian (or possibly the monitor) shows something like "Frequency Rance exceeded xx Hertz"... how do i start debian so that I can find the correct drivers?
08:49<jm_>Dominique: single user mode and fix it
08:49<Zathraz>parted showed the partition with correct size but did not recognize it as an ext2/3 partition either
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08:49<Dominique>single user mode gets stuck at a point.
08:49<jm_>well part. type is just a single byte identifier - it can be set to whatever you want and mount will still work
08:49<jm_>stuck how?
08:50<Zathraz>mount -t ext3 did not work either
08:50<Dominique>it goes over to the screen where it displays all the lines of code (while starting) and at a point, it just gets stuck. I waited for 5 mins there, nothing happened.
08:50<jm_>yes, like I said - try to mount using alternative superblock -- the fact that fsck works is rather weird though
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08:50<jm_>it should ask you for root's password
08:51<Dominique>it didn't
08:51<jm_>then check what is the last line printed and also don't boot with 'quiet' option
08:51<Zathraz>jm_, hmm typo: I forgot the word "not"
08:51<Zathraz>:-(
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08:51<jm_>Zathraz: right, try alternative superblock
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08:52<zebulon>azeem: when I use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, artridis.6 is put into debian/ and not debian/artridis/usr/share/man/
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08:52<zebulon>azeem: how can I do that?
08:52<azeem_>zebulon: where was it before?
08:53<zebulon>ok .... silly me in debian/
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08:53<azeem_>zebulon: you need to install it at some point
08:53<azeem_>zebulon: man dh_installman
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08:55<zebulon>azeem: the statement dh_installman is already stated in rules
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08:55<azeem_>zebulon: how would it know where your manpage is?
08:57<zebulon>azeem: I thought it was meant to be in debian/
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08:57<azeem_>zebulon: no, you need to tell it explicitely where your manpage is
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08:57<zebulon>azeem: in rules?
08:57<Zathraz>jm_, thanky you, will look at it tonight
08:57<azeem_>maybe you'd rather put the manpages into debian/manpages, because there are so many, or maybe upstream forgot to install a manpage from debian/../../docs
08:57<azeem_>14:52 < azeem_> zebulon: man dh_installman
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08:58<zebulon>azeem: thx
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09:00<matt76761>jm_: "acpi=off noapic" at the end of "kernel" line did not help :/
09:01<zebulon>azeem: could I do "dh_installman manpage debian/artridis/usr/share/man"?
09:01<zebulon>azeem: in rules
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09:06<jm_>matt76761: do you see kernel messages during boot?
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09:08<matt76761>jm_: yes, there are no particular timeout/lockup. Everything just goes more slowly than normal.
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09:09<jm_>matt76761: hmm did you try using clocksource kernel option?
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09:09<themill>zebulon: putting the path to the manpage in packagename.manpages and then just using dh_installman should be enough
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09:10<zebulon>themill: is that artridis.manpages file in debian/ ok?
09:10<fanto666>did anything change in packages *inst/*rm files requirements in lenny? ifplugd won't get configured when installed, those scripts didn't change much
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09:11<jm_>fanto666: that typically means one of the script fails
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09:11<jm_>scripts*
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09:11<themill>zebulon: that's right. You might find it worthwhile to grab a package or two and see how it's done in them. (apt-get source somepackage then poke around)
09:12<fanto666>installation should fail then, shouldn't it?
09:12<zebulon>themill: thx
09:12<jm_>yes, it would report an error
09:12<fanto666>and it does not :(
09:12<themill>fanto666: what configuration of ifplugd do you want to get done on installation?
09:12<jm_>what does configured mean for you then?
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09:13<jm_>probably not what I have in mind
09:13<fanto666>themill: the same as was in etch and is called when I dpkg-reconfigure it
09:13<jm_>ok that's something different
09:13<themill>jm_: not "configured" in the dpkg sense, but "configured" in the debconf asked me about config options sense
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09:13<jm_>themill: yeah I figured it thanks to his latest statement
09:14<fanto666>aha, so there are two "configured" states ;-)
09:14<jm_>tried dpkg-reconfigure -plow foo?
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09:15<matt76761>jm_: no I haven't tried that, but it looks like this is some sort of hardware issue..not related to Debian. I started to install Windows 7 on this laptop and the phase where "Windows is loading files" has taken now about 15min..usually it should be few minutes.
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09:15<azeem_>zebulon: just try it yourself
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09:16<fanto666>jm_: -plow? it asks for options... my problem is it doesn't when I install the package and imho it should... it surely did on etch, checked today
09:17<themill>fanto666: you probably have a different debconf priority set for the questions. "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" to change that
09:17<fanto666>themill: maybe, but I just tried that on clean system
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09:18<themill>fanto666: it may be that the priority of the questions were changed too
09:18<fanto666>I'll look
09:18<fanto666>aha
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09:19<sun_>hi whats an easy way to rip a dvd?
09:19<gsimmons>!tell sun_ -about dvd ripping
09:20<sun_>hi gsimmons nothing happened...?
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09:22<fanto666>I don't see any change in those. seems that the question priority changed somehow
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09:26<fanto666>where are the priorities?
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09:31<zixs>is it possible to use MAC software in debian?
09:31<miguel>helo
09:32<miguel>i do not want to use skype || icq coz i do not like the idea or proprietary protocols etc.. what would be a good lighthtweight alternative?
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09:32<petemc>miguel: sip, iax
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09:32<miguel>thx
09:33<adb>!tel zixs about mol
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09:34<fanto666>where can I find priorities of debconf questions?
09:35<zixs>mol?
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09:36<adb>!tell zixs about mol
09:36<petemc>osx isnt ppc any more
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09:40<fanto666>!help
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09:41<adb>!debconf
09:41<dpkg>Debian's configuration management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking and storing configuration-related settings for packages. http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html
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09:52<Kirbo>can someone help me with identd ?
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09:52<noflash>!tell Kirbo -about identd
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10:03<darren>Hi dont know if any one can help i have been using aircrack for a little while now but one thing i dont understant and can not find why on the internet, well the question is everything seems to work fine but the data does not go up at all. Does any one know why?
10:04<benjamin>darren, are you in monitor mode?
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10:05<darren>benjamin, yes i tryed it on mine and every thing worked fine and i got the key with in 20 mins, but out of practicing i tryed some one elses same commands every thing else works but the data does not move not even to 1
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10:07<benjamin>may be others cards are not compatible
10:08<darren>benjamin, sorry its my laptop tryed it on my ap worked tryed on some one elses ap no data rise using same laptop on diffrent ap
10:08<benjamin>ok
10:08<darren>any idears why
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10:09<benjamin>do you have the aircrack-ng command you runed?
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10:10<benjamin>s/runed/run
10:10<petemc>ran
10:10<benjamin>yes
10:10<benjamin>:)
10:11<petemc>:)
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10:11<benjamin>"runed" is really ugly
10:11<benjamin>sorry for that
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10:11*arw hello folks
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10:13<bittin_>Hello how do i install QT 4.5?
10:13<azeem>bittin_: eh waht?
10:14<noflash>heh
10:14<bittin_>i failed at installing QT and now its deleted :(
10:14<themill>dpkg: tell bittin_ about multiple ask
10:15<bittin_>sorry
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10:15<bittin_>i just want this fixed and don't know how myself
10:16<azeem>bittin_: ok, so if you don't want help from people which are in both chans, fine
10:16<azeem>because I for one am annoyed at your second request for help
10:16<bittin_>sorry
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10:20<miguel>i need some mp3 player with a gui
10:20<miguel>any suggestions pls
10:20<petemc>beep
10:20<ixp425>amarok
10:20<Yoda`BZH>decibel
10:21<OdyX>iphone
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10:22<fanto666>audacious
10:23<locklace>audacious segfaults whenever i so much as look at it
10:23<bittin_>audacious / sonata (if you run mpd)
10:23<Dominique>Hi! I installed vista in my PC and it seems to have overridden GRUB Boot Loader. how do I get it back? I have the Debian bootable DVD.
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10:23<locklace>qmmp on the other hand has been completely stable
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10:23<ixp425>I've never had a problem with audacious
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10:23<fanto666>I haven't seen segfault with audaciout. Any plugins? If not, isn't that a HW problem?
10:24<gsimmons>!tell Dominique -about rescue mode
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10:24<bittin_>problem solved thx for your help :)
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10:25<miguel>i can hear no sound, no idea where to start to fix that
10:25<bittin_>alsa?
10:25<locklace>fanto666: no plugins, just normal usage. segfaults when doing basic things like refreshing or moving between streams, etc.
10:25<miguel>bitttin: im not eaven sure about that one!
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10:26<locklace>certainly not a hw problem as other players work fine
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10:26<wuseldusel>when will there be any kde in testing again that i can install?
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10:30<themill>wuseldusel: what's not installable about it?
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10:31<Dominique>can debian run parallelly with VISTA?
10:32<Kjetil>can you lift a rock ?
10:32<Dominique>Kjetil: did u ask me?
10:33<Kjetil>well yes. Your question is kind of vague..
10:33<Dominique>hmm... I'm unable to rescue my bootloader. So I thought maybe Vista's not allowing it.
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10:34<wuseldusel>themill: i have made an upgrade and dist-upgrade and it removed kde3.5 (so i have to use gnome). apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade show: http://codepad.org/JBZchHhI
10:34<Dominique>History: I installed debian, then I installed Vista in the Unpartitioned Space, and I lost my bootloader. Rescue mode cannot reinstall GRUB and says "Fatal Error"
10:35<azeem>wuseldusel: as I think you have been told, testing now has KDE4
10:35<wuseldusel>themill: and apt-get autoremove wants to remove http://codepad.org/pFiKBE99
10:36<themill>wuseldusel: what's the output of "aptitude install kdebase"
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10:37<wuseldusel>azeem: yup.
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10:37<wuseldusel>themill: http://codepad.org/8cf0JCOV
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10:38<wuseldusel>is this solution acceptable?
10:39<Dominique>Hi! How do I ask GRUB to detect other OS on my HDD?
10:39<themill>wuseldusel: you previously had a lot more of kde3.5 installed than you will have of kde4 though... I'm just trying to work out what the kde4 metapackages are for you atm
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10:39<azeem>wuseldusel: maybe try "apt-get install kdebase" instead; is that any better?
10:41<themill>I imagine that'll either be the same of leave a mixture of kde3 and kde4; but an aptitude full-upgrade following that might solve the rest of it
10:41<wuseldusel>azeem: that yields http://codepad.org/odabYTko
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10:41<themill>wuseldusel: actually.... some aptitude-fu might help here: aptitude full-upgrade kdebase+
10:41<bja>Dominique: man upgrade-grub
10:41<azeem>well, I wonder why it wants to remove sound-juicer, e.g.
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10:43<themill>wuseldusel: list of kde meta-packages available at: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html
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10:44<themill>wuseldusel: based on what you already have, kde-full is probably what you want
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10:44<wuseldusel>themill: aptitude full-upgrade kdebase+ yields http://codepad.org/SqpeOHPv and also wants to remove half of my system :/
10:45<themill>:S
10:45<themill>wuseldusel: well now that we know what the kde4 package names are, aptitude full-upgrade kde-full+
10:47<themill>dpkg, install kde4 is <reply>The metapackage "kde-full" installs tons of stuff, "kde-minimal" the basic kde4 desktop. For more details on these metapackages, see http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html. As these packages are fairly new still, you will probably do better asking questions in #debian-kde on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net).
10:47<dpkg>themill: okay
10:48<themill>dpkg install kde is also <install kde4>
10:48<dpkg>okay, themill
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10:49<bittin_>what are a good QT Theme that looks like gtk?
10:50<Dominique>Okay! I have a little issue with my comp. Whenever I boot into debian, a strange display comes on which says: Out of Frequency HF: 75.0kHz VF: 60.0kHz ||| Operating Frequency HF: 30-71 kHz VF: 50-160 Hz ||| Power Management 15 Secs
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10:54<wuseldusel>ok i've decided for aptitude full-upgrade kde-full+ ...
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10:55<miguel>what do i have to put inside fstab so that the mounted disk is accessible by ALL users, not only the root! ?
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10:55<Torsten_W>miguel, if it has a linux-fs, it's not fstab-related
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10:56<miguel>it is a fat or ntfs
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10:57<Torsten_W>miguel, inform yourself about mountparameter umask
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10:57<miguel>kk
10:57<bja>Dominique: a Bluer little screen on the midle?
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10:58<themill>wuseldusel: how's that working out for you then.... :)
10:58<Dominique>bja: yes
10:59<Dominique>bja: looks more like a message from the monitor rather than Lenny.
10:59<bja>Dominique: That is your monitor complaining about the sincro of the video card,
10:59<Dominique>bja: how do i fix it?
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10:59<wuseldusel>themill it finished with "Current status: 0 updates [-9], 6860 new [-5]." ... i think thats ok?
10:59<bja>Dominique: Ignore it as soon as it gets used to it, it should disappear
11:00<themill>wuseldusel: sounds plausible. See if it works :)
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11:00<Dominique>well, the prob is, it doesn't start the OS. The screen remains blank after the time goes 0.
11:00<Dominique>bja: it is a fresh install BTW.
11:01<cuba33ci>Hi,please take a look at my problem
11:01<bja>Dominique: Got to change office, see you in about 3 min
11:01<cuba33ci>http://paste.debian.net/38036
11:01<Dominique>bja: will wait
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11:05<cuba33ci>does debian support NFS in installer?
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11:06<Dominique>welcome bja
11:07<gsimmons>cuba33ci: Your problem to hard to parse. What Debian CD image do you currently have?
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11:07<bja>Dominique: thx, Never mind about that message, it should disappear always, and it doesn't matter about the os running
11:08<cuba33ci>actually I dont have problem to get all CD images from another computer
11:08<bja>Dominique: Its more a status message than a warning :)
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11:08<Dominique>but nothing displays after that.
11:08<cuba33ci>My problem is the PC which is going to be installed
11:08<Dominique>bja: but nothing displays after that.
11:09<cuba33ci>does not have connection way debain installer support
11:09<bja>What do you mean? The screen goes blanck?
11:09<Dominique>bja: the screen remains blank and the power light of the monitor flashes...
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11:09<Dominique>bja: the screen remains blank and the power light of the monitor flashes...
11:10<cuba33ci>the computer going to be installed is boot via PXE
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11:10<Zathraz>is there any way to detect a cleaning request from a tapedrive using a script? For instance using mt?
11:10<bja>Dominique: Thats the usual error message of the monitors. hmmm ...
11:10<cuba33ci>but it need CD images,How can I give CD images to it?
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11:10<Dominique>bja: it happens to be a fresh install. does it require something like installing drivers for my onboard graphics?
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11:11<cuba33ci>I think the net boot image will not contain packages source
11:11<cuba33ci>Am I right?
11:11<wuseldusel>themill: it seems to have worked pretty fine. i have kde4 running now and it migrated most settings from kde3.5
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11:12<themill>wuseldusel: excellent
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11:17<debiannoob>anybody care to help me with a really noob networking problem?
11:17<petemc>just ask
11:18<petemc>(long as yo're using debian)
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11:18<debiannoob>i installed debian yesterday, command line interface only, and tried to set up a static adress on my wireless network
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11:18<debiannoob>and now i can't connect to anything
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11:18<debiannoob>ive tried to set /etc/network/interfaces/ back to dynamic ip, but i can't figure it out
11:18<Zathraz>does it work via DHCP ?
11:18<debiannoob>been searching around on the net too
11:19<bja>Dominique: The horizontal frecuencyy of your card is too high for your monitor.
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11:19<debiannoob>no, i think ive done it right with the dhcp
11:19<Zathraz>when you config to use dhcp you have a connection?
11:19<debiannoob>it's supposed to be "iface eth1 inet dhcp" for dynamic adress, right?
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11:19<debiannoob>how do i know if i have a connection?
11:19<Dominique>bja: okay... what shud I do?
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11:20<debiannoob>ive tried to ping my router, but get nothing back in response
11:20<Zathraz>if eth1 is your network and there is a DHCP server on it: yes
11:20<debiannoob>when i try to ping my router, it says destination hos unreachable
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11:20<Zathraz>yes yes.Please answer my question first
11:21<debiannoob>eth1 is my wireless interface, yes, and there is a dhcp server on it, yes
11:21<bja>Dominique: when it is blanck if you press <ctr><alt><f2> does it give you a prompt?
11:22<Zathraz>debiannoob, so when you config eth1 to use DHCP you can ping your router?
11:22<debiannoob>now it says that network is unreachable
11:22<debiannoob>just did a /etc/init.d/networking restart
11:22<Zathraz>do you use WEP or WPA/WPA2 or something?
11:22<debiannoob>and then it said network is unreachable when i ping
11:23<debiannoob>ive turned all authentication on the router off
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11:23<debiannoob>i installed debian yesterday, and it worked all fine until i tried to set up the static ip. Is there some way i can get the setup back to the way it was "out of the box"?
11:23<Dominique>bja: i need sm time 2 try... 3mins
11:24<debiannoob>theres a line over the "iface eth1"-line in my interfaces that says "allow-hotplug eth1", could that be the problem?
11:24<bja>Dominique: take your time, i won't go anywhere
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11:27<matt76761>is there a WIFI adapter, which is fully compatible with MADWIFI(like Atheros chipsets), has 802.11n support and has PCI interface?
11:27<Dominique>bja: yes. The console starts
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11:28<debiannoob>yes, matt, it worked yesterday, but im giving up now and reinstalling debian, hoping that wil fix it:)
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11:28<stuckey>Where does mplayer save the screenshot it takes? I'm pressing "s" to take screenshots but I've no clue where it's putting the files.
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11:29<bja>Dominique: You have to copy the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf somewhere (just for backup case we really screw things really bad, btw shouldn't happen)
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11:30<bja>Dominique: Then edit it with a text editor and search for the "Section Monitor"
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11:32<Dominique>bja: found it...
11:32<bja>Dominique: there is a HorizSync parameter there should be a range 30.0 - 110.0 change it to 30-70
11:32<bja>Dominique: 30.0 - 70.0
11:32<Dominique>bja: it has no such parameter.
11:32<Dominique>bja: it only has "Identifier " Configured Monitor"
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11:34<bja>Dominique: Ok
11:35<Dominique>bja: should i try adding the parameter manually?
11:36<bja>Dominique: It seems that your monitor is not configured, there is a "dpkg-reconfigure X" but I'am not sure if it es X or X11
11:36<bja>Dominique: It should reconfigure the X server which is not starting properly.
11:37<gsimmons>matt76761: The MadWifi driver does not support 802.11n. ath9k does, see http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k for a retail device list.
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11:37<bja>Dominique: You can allways paste the line, but you'll need a few more, I'll paste them so you can paste the whole section. pls wait a little
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11:37<Dominique>k.
11:38<Dominique>bja: BTW. "dpkg-reconfigure X" or X11 returns "Package 'x' is not installed and no info is available"
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11:39<matt76761>gsimmons: but I found those(first two): http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/Compatibility/D-Link Or isn't there considered 802.11n support?
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11:40<Golfgeo>Hi all
11:41<bja>Dominique: http://pastebin.com/d5516040f
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11:43<gsimmons>matt76761: Again, Madwifi won't support 802.11n on either. ath9k will.
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11:43<qimo>ciao a tutti
11:43<Yesu>i just downloaded a gnome iconic theme, how do I install this?
11:44<bja>Dominique: try dpkg-reconfigure x11-org
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11:44<stuckey>Anyone here know anything about encoding video in Debian?
11:45<petemc>most likely yes
11:45<Dominique>bja: returns "Package 'x11-org' is not installed and no info is available"
11:45<Dominique>bja: and hitting Ctrl+Alt+F7 still goes back to the blank screen
11:46<matt76761>gsimmons: ok, but it isn't possible to use both madwifi and ath9k at the same time?
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11:46<stuckey>petemc: how might one go about this?
11:46<bja>Dominique: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common
11:47<petemc>stuckey: ffmpeg or mencoder
11:47<bja>Dominique: I got mixed up. that one should at least give you a blue screen asking for info
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11:47<matt76761>gsimmons: I mean it looks like ath9k will support only 802.11n. Then I should have to choose between 802.11b/g or 802.11n.
11:47<stuckey>petemc: mencoder isn't in the repository though, is it? I seareched but apt-cache didn't return anything for "mencoder".
11:47<petemc>!dmm
11:47<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
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11:48<stuckey>I thought it wasn't a good idea to use dmm.
11:48<Dominique>bja: I'm in the blue screen now.
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11:48<stuckey>Can't that like, break shit?
11:48<petemc>stuckey: depends if you want the packages contained within it or not
11:48<petemc>if you do, it is
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11:48<petemc>if you dont, its not
11:48<matt76761>gsimmons: What I would like to accomplish, is a 802.11b/g/n WAP under Debian. So the card should be able to work under Master mode.
11:48<bja>Dominique: Answer the questions the way you need them :)
11:49<bja>Dominique: It should rebuild the xorg.conf file by it self
11:49<stuckey>petemc: Well I think it's generally a good idea to just use the offical repositories... right?
11:49<petemc>sure
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11:49<petemc>that would mean you're limited in what software you can use though, obviously
11:49<stuckey>But I'd be less likely to screw something up, and then have to come back in here and bug you about it.
11:50<petemc>you would just ask circular questions instead...
11:51<Dominique>bja: it askd only one question. "Nice value for the X server: " and I gave it a 0. Still no change.
11:51<bja>Dominique: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
11:51<locklace>stuckey: dmm is used by a lot of people here, because there's basically no good way to avoid it if you want certain core mm packages that can't be provided in the official repos. the situation isn't ideal but dmm is "pretty good" as unofficial repos go
11:52<stuckey>locklace: So using it won't break shit?
11:52<Golfgeo>Anyone know of a good primer on vlans multiple switches and cores routers and using firewalls between them?
11:53<gsimmons>matt76761: Uh, the ath9k driver supports a/b/g/n PHY modes where available on the device. It also supports master mode operation in wireless-testing.git, IIRC.
11:53<locklace>stuckey: it might, but it's widely used and generally well-maintained and integrated. you can ask if others here have had any problems with it. i haven't yet, but also haven't installed a large number of things from it
11:53<arw>Golfgeo: juniper?
11:53<Golfgeo>arw: Not brand selected yet
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11:53<Golfgeo>arw: I need to understand the technology a bit beter (again)
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11:55<arw>Golfgeo: i understand, is better know the requirements and after that select the device
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11:55<Golfgeo>arw: yep :-)
11:56<Golfgeo>arw: working on a crappy project atm
11:56<Dominique>bja: the command only configures my keyboard. I have been here before when I installed the graphic driver for my Laptop. This method is ineffective when working with Lenny+Nvidia... [Quote]Debian 5.0 (Lenny):
11:56<Dominique> The manual way, as debconf no longer presents an X server driver selection dialog. [/Quote] as in http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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11:56<Golfgeo>arw: need to isolate multiple vlans with firewalls (between them...)
11:56<arw>Golfgeo: good luck :)
11:57<arw>is nice homework
11:57<arw>but is no hard to do
11:57<Golfgeo>arw: Thanks mate, do need it. Have to have the design ready in 12 hours
11:57<bja>Dominique: What video card are you using?
11:57<Dominique>nVidia
11:57<bja>Dominique: Do you have the model, or the laptop model?
11:57<Golfgeo>arw: Is it easy with the firewalls? I was thinking about virtual firewall's b.t.w.
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11:58<Dominique>hmm. I'm now facing problem with my desktop. I'll have a look in the Motherboard manual. Isn't there a way to find it out from the shell?
11:59<arw>Golfgeo: is easy but you need to keep in mind the rulers, ports and IPs that is the key
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11:59<matt76761>gsimmons: thanks! So basically if I buy anyone of those cards: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Devices/PCI I am able to set up 802.11b/g/n WAP under debian?
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12:00<bja>dpkg: tell Dominique about nvidia
12:00<Golfgeo>arw: yea, thats why I need a primer on the technology... Been working to long on servers and managemant
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12:01<Dominique>bja: it's "NVIDIA GeForce 7025/nForce 630a (MCP68 SE)
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12:02<Dominique>bja: dpkg returned the link i quoted in my previous msg. I'll try installing the driver for the Graphics Card. hope it works. Will take around 30 mins...
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12:02<bja>Dominique: Take your time, before you begin instal build-essential and module-assistant
12:02<miguel>i have : /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb ntfs defaults 0 0
12:02<miguel> in my fstab
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12:03<miguel>but all the directories are mounted as: d--------- ???
12:03<miguel>any idea why?
12:03<bja>Dominique: It should make life easier
12:03<Golfgeo>lol, reading: don't specify to many vlans... But what the hell! I need only like 10
12:03<Dominique>bja: I have.
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12:04<Dominique>bja: meanwhile. How did you upload the code to pastebin?
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12:04<bja>Dominique: Great
12:04<miguel>and all my files are mounted even as: ----------
12:04<miguel>i dont understand that
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12:05<arw>:)
12:05<bja>Dominique: opened a browser pointed to the sites initial page and pasted it there, really simple
12:05<matt76761>gsimmons: sorry, I looked little bit wrong. However, for example this: "DWA-552 XtremeN Desktop Adapter" or "DWA-547 RangeBooster N650 Desktop Adapter " should have ath9k support and are both PCI cards. Am I right?
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12:07<Dominique>"pointed to the sites initial page" didn't get that.
12:07<Dominique>bja: pardon my english
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12:08<gsimmons>matt76761: Both are PCI devices supported by ath9k. You'll most likely require use of an experimental/testing kernel and a development version of hostapd to establish your AP.
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12:10<Yesu>does anyone know how to install iconic themes in gnome?
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12:10<Yesu>good is absolutely not helping, is there some kind of documentation on gnome-look.org that im overlooking
12:10<Yesu>?
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12:12<miguel>what is wrong about that : for my external usb drive: -> /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb ntfs defaults 0 0
12:12<miguel>in fstab
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12:13<drakeman>hello, there is anyway to change the paths in rssh console? cause when i type rssh -v it give me a wrong path to my real sftp-server binary.., can i change that path in rssh?
12:13<bartm>miguel: no such line here
12:13<miguel>bartm: what do you mean?
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12:14<miguel>i added this line so i can mount my external hard-drive
12:14<bartm>miguel: usb disk-like media are mounted automatically without anything in fstab
12:14<miguel>hmmm
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12:16<miguel>where can i set the rights for it then?
12:16<miguel>coz it can only be accessed by root
12:16<bartm>miguel: I don't know how it works exactly, because for such things I'm just a user
12:16<miguel>allright, thx anyway
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12:17<bartm>miguel: maybe have a look in /etc/groups
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12:17<bartm>miguel: maybe the user should be in group "plugdev" and some other groups
12:17<bartm>but I'm just guessing about this
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12:18<miguel>all the files are owned by root,root an not accesible by ANYONE :(
12:18<miguel>so the group thing wont help
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12:19<ml|>dpkg: tell miguel about pmount
12:19<bartm>dpkg: tell me about pmount
12:20<ml|>dpkg: tell miguel about usbmount
12:20<azeem>I think pmount is pretty much deprecated
12:20<ml|>azeem: it is?
12:20<azeem>I thought so
12:20<ml|>works fine here
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12:21<ml|>dpkg: tell bartm about selftell
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12:22<miguel>thx
12:22<bja>dpkg: tell ml| about beer
12:22<bja>he he
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12:23<ml|>lol
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12:23<ml|>bja: thx
12:23<miguel>dpkg: tell me about beer
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12:23<ml|>dpkg: tell miguel about selftell
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12:24<ml|>dpkg: tell miguel about dpkgbot
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12:24<bja>miguel: /msg dpkg factoid works better
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12:24<miguel>works the same i guess
12:24<ml|>no
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12:25<miguel>he tells me the same about beer in both cases ;)
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12:25<bartm>miguel: it's an "it" :)
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12:26<raymonp_>guys. know of any more pages similar to www.howtoforge.com with excellent linux (debian/ubuntu) tutorials ?
12:26<miguel>heheh
12:26<bartm>raymonp_: i'm sure google knows
12:27<ml|>raymonp_: new to linux?
12:27<raymonp_>gheez
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12:27<raymonp_>not new but not an expert either.
12:27<bartm>raymonp_: sounds like fitting many of us here
12:28<raymonp_>;)
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12:28<bartm>raymonp_: are you looking for some tutorial about a subject in particular ?
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12:28<bartm>raymonp_: if it doesn't exist yet, write one :)
12:28<dior>irc://irc.a0hell.org/altered-warez
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12:28<ml|>http://www.debian-administration.org/
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12:29<ml|>that is a good site for debian, debian wiki is good also
12:29<raymonp_>just looking for good resource pages. Im very fond of howtoforge, and would like to know if there are other pages like it approved by the debian community :)
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12:29<azeem>raymonp_: what ml| said
12:30<raymonp_>thanx ml|.. exactly what im looking for.
12:30<raymonp_>excellent
12:30<ml|>np
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12:32<raymonp_>now a more concrete question. Im going to build a cluster with debian webservers. I have done so successfully with haproxy, but my employer wants https instead of http.. has anyone done haproxy clustering with https ?
12:32<raymonp_>and, ive rtfm but its a bit thin..
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12:34<ml|>raymonp_: also the docs section in http://www.debian.org/ is good also
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12:35<raymonp_>debian.org was the obvious place to start, so I know of the docs there. But thanks for the tip :)
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12:35<ml|>and debian books section there too
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12:35<Yesu>anyone here know how to use .png files for icons in gnome?
12:36<raymonp_>ah.. any specific books you can recommend?
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12:36<Dominique>bja: thnx 4 d help bja, the display seems to be working fine after installing the graphics driver.
12:36<ml|>raymonp_: no
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12:37<ml|>sry
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12:37<raymonp_>ok..
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12:37<bja>!next
12:37<dpkg>A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed!
12:38<maxxe>hi. i get "Fatal server error" and "Caught signal 11. Server aborting" when i try to run Xorg. is it a problem with the Xorg release?
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12:39<raymonp_>tried to reconfigure x?
12:39<bartm>maxxe: signal 11 is SEGV, so it should be a problem in the server software
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12:42<maxxe>bartm: yep i thought so.. no one else got this?
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12:43<miguel>in what file is my windewmanager specified?
12:43<miguel>that starts when i do startx?
12:44<ml|>do you have or use xinitrc or xsession
12:45<miguel>i have this both files in /etc/X11/...
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12:46<ml|>so no xinitrc or xsession in your ~ then
12:46<miguel>nope
12:46<maxxe>did debian team update the Xorg release within lenny recently?
12:46<miguel>thats why i wonder where it is SET
12:47<ml|>miguel: there is another way just can't remember right now
12:48<miguel>oook
12:48<bja>miguel: There was a kernel update recently, if you have an nvidia card installed by the nvidia site system, youĺl have to reinstall it
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12:50<maxxe>bja: "by the nvidia site system"? what does that mean..?
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12:50<maxxe>i have a nvidia card
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12:51<bja>maxxe: check yuor x server log, you might need to reinstall the driver.
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12:53<ml|>miguel: i think it's with update-alternatives --config, but don remember the command to use you use update-alternatives --all and it will go through all command's
12:53<miguel>ooook, ill have a look on this thx
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12:54<maxxe>bja: all i get from the log file is "Fatal server error:Caught signal 11. Server aborting" and also a backtrace with something that i don't understand :)
12:54<maxxe>the configuration file doesn't generate any errors so it might not be a problem with the config
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12:56<bja>dpkg: tell maxxe about unix lessons
12:56<ml|>miguel: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
12:56<bja>maxxe: take a look at what dpkg tells you
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12:58<raymonp_>reconfigure xorg with vesa driver to get it up and running again, then reinstall the nvidia driver.. that`s what I do when these kinds of things occur.
12:58<raymonp_>usually works like a charm
12:58<raymonp_>:)
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12:58<maxxe>bja: the first thing that i thought of, and that i know i've done, is to change permissions of some files. can it be that?
12:59<miguel>thanx ml|
12:59<ml|>np
13:00<bja>maxxe: revert those
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13:00<bja>maxxe: and check point 8
13:01<supaman>in which directory does apt-get -d install package put the downloaded package?
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13:01<weasel>var/cache/apt/archives
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13:02<supaman>weasel: does it not set the current time stamp on the downloaded file?
13:02<weasel>I'm not going to look
13:02<supaman>ls -l shows an old date
13:02<weasel>maybe it takes the mtime from the server
13:02<weasel>cross check that?
13:03<supaman>hmm ... whats an mtime?
13:03<weasel>something google or wikipedia knows
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13:03<supaman>okileydokiley ;)
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13:03<maxxe>bja: can i paste the backtrace here? it's not much data..
13:03<weasel>!paste
13:03<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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13:06<supaman>yeh .. its the mtime
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13:07<weasel>(ls always shows the mtime unless you tell it to show you ctime or atime instead)
13:07<bja>maxxe: http://pastebin.com
13:08<supaman>weasel: yeh .. thanks for the info
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13:13<geophoenix>when i try to run seahorse from command line i get the error " Invalid or no GPG agent is running" , but when i type pstree -p | grep gpg " the gpg-agent and seahorse agent are running . Is it a bug?
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13:14<maxxe>bja: http://paste.debian.net/38045
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13:19<bja>maxxe: Yeap I was right, cant load nvidia glx a reinstall of the nvidia driver i believe will solve the problem
13:20<maxxe>bja: the nvidia driver from their official homepage or the one that comes with Xorg?
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13:20<bja>maxxe: nvidia-glx is also needed.
13:20<bja>maxxe: That is your choice
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13:21<maxxe>bja: ok but for now i only want get Xorg to work so i guess i will try to reinstall the one that comes with Xorg, the "nv" not "nvidia"
13:22<bja>if your card is not of the latest generation, it will reasonably work
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13:26<richi_>hello i have some troubles with samba - trusted domains doesnt work...
13:26<richi_>samba 3.2.5 works, samba 3.3.4 doesnt work...
13:26<richi_>wbinfo -u doesnt show users...
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13:27<richi_>checking the trust secret via RPC calls failed Could not check secret <- wbinfo -t
13:28<richi_>if i make this on server1: net rpc trustdom list - > Could not connect to server SERVER1
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13:30<maxxe>bja: didn't help :P
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13:32<bja>maxxe: Guess Youĺl have to install the driver the long way :(
13:33<maxxe>darik's boot and nuke for the world, now i am pissed :D
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13:36<Evil_Lyra>hi there
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13:37<Evil_Lyra>how to install a package without have to awnser configuration questions?
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13:37<Evil_Lyra>I did a small config file with:
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13:37<bja>!br
13:37<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:37<Evil_Lyra>DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs {"true";};
13:37<dpkg>Evil_Lyra: I don't know, could you explain it?
13:38<Evil_Lyra>and ran apt-get with -y -c myconfi.conf install postfix
13:38<Evil_Lyra>but apt still ask me how it should configure postfix
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13:45<Evil_Lyra>sorry for my faulty google-fu... export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive ; apt-get -q -y install <package>
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13:53<trtibi>fak dader
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14:08<c0mrade>haloo world...
14:08<c0mrade>anyone here..??
14:08<colt>X -configure won't run it gives a fatal service error. have to configure x because it crashes when it loads
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14:11<c0mrade>anyone wanna talk bout open source..??
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14:13<c0mrade>heloo
14:13<c0mrade>anyone here..??
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14:14<locklace>!confuse c0mrade
14:14<dpkg>Yes, them was your weasel today, c0mrade? Lederhosen of the Democracy of Mongolia with extra herring.
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14:14<colt>trying to create an xconfiguration file in root but permission is denied some how
14:15<ml|>locklace: btw thank you for suggesting zsh to me :)
14:15<urbinek>hello there
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14:16<Joemama_>how reliable is ntfs3g ?
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14:17<avu>Joemama_, "quite" I guess. Have backups.
14:17<urbinek>Joemama_: very, never fail for me
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14:17<Joemama_>i have a 1TB drive of very important data in my debian server and it is NTFS,
14:17<Joemama_>no way to back the data up currently,
14:17<avu>Joemama_, well if it's very important, you're bound to have a backup anway
14:17<urbinek>Joemama_: if you can convert it to ext or something
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14:18<avu>if you don't have a backup, it's not important data. by definition. :)
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14:18<Joemama_>i need to move the files around quite a bit, would i be better off taking the drive out and putting it back in a windows system to do a bunch of file moving?
14:18<ml|>what avu said :)
14:18<urbinek>Joemama_: have server got ups ? or any other power-backup ?
14:19<Joemama_>no
14:19<Joemama_>well i know a journaling file system would be better
14:19<Joemama_>but not much i can do at the moment
14:19<avu>NTFS /is/ a journaling FS
14:19<avu>not that it matters much
14:19<Joemama_>oh nice, didnt know that
14:19<urbinek>so if you got a bad luck then some black down can kill yours data
14:19<urbinek>avu ntfs-3g have full support ?
14:20<avu>the data will die anyway. hard disks die. they always do.
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14:20<Joemama_>yes
14:20<Joemama_>hopefully it will be off that drive by then
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14:21<Joemama_>avu so u think i can shuffle these files around using linux, or should i move it to a windows box to make the changes?
14:21<colt>how come i logged into root and still am denied permission to x-configure
14:21<urbinek>Joemama_: if you wanna copy&paste files in normal conditions there shoudn't be any prolems
14:21<avu>Joemama_, I think you should make a backup, I don't have any opinion on the matter beyond that
14:21<ml|>backup backup backup
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14:21<Joemama_>thats alot of work
14:22<avu>life is hard
14:22<urbinek>and full of traps :P
14:22<Joemama_>sometimes a bitch too
14:22<ml|>hah, so true :P
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14:23<Joemama_>live is too short to backup data
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14:24<avu>backing up data is something computers do for you, not somethign you do yourself every time
14:24<bja>Joemama_: So live is a bitch and when you get to like it you freaking dye. Right?
14:24<urbinek>and there's no god and if is he hates you xP
14:24<urbinek>well if you live depends on data then in can be very short :P
14:24<ml|>there are several options for backup
14:25<Bunnyh>I can't help wondering why in these kind of storage questions, the topic always seems to change backups. Surely people have different meaning for "important data", and for some people that isn't important enough to require backups. They can still be interested in the best ways to handle that data, without backups
14:25<Joemama_>you cant take data with you when you die
14:25<Joemama_>and as soon as you do die, some asshole is gonna come behind you and delete your shit
14:25<ml|>lol
14:25<urbinek>xD
14:25<bja>he he
14:26<bja>!beer Joemama_
14:26*dpkg pours a pint of Bornem Tripple for Joemama_
14:26<jthomas_sb>I want to install Grub to a floppy per these instructions, to boot to an external USB CDRom drive http://www.pendrivelinux.com/use-a-floppy-to-boot-usb-pendrive-linux/ (1) would that work? and (2) I cannot mount /dev/fd/0 so how do I know if I am writing to the correct device with dd ?
14:27<urbinek># /dev/fd/0 not /dev/fd0 ?
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14:27<jthomas_sb>i don't have /dev/fd0 afaick
14:27<torgursul>who fuck me
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14:27<torgursul>i am a man
14:27<jthomas_sb>who not?
14:28<urbinek>jesus lord christ :P
14:28<torgursul>i am french
14:28<jthomas_sb>weeee
14:28<bja>zarcosi?
14:28<azeem>torgursul: do you have a Debian question?
14:28<torgursul>sarcozy
14:28<jthomas_sb>socrazy?
14:28<azeem>jthomas_sb: please keep it on topic
14:28<torgursul>non
14:28<torgursul>no
14:28<jthomas_sb>yep sorry. ok i have a /dev/fd0 but with todays date so i think the command just created a file.
14:29<azeem>torgursul: then please either keep quiet or leave
14:29<torgursul>what
14:29<urbinek>jthomas_sb /dev/fd0 is not a file, its a lin to device
14:29<torgursul>fuck everybody
14:29<azeem>jthomas_sb: what does "ls -l /dev/fd0" say?
14:29-!-mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
14:29<torgursul>fuck you're mother
14:29-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@sek76-1-82-67-95-70.fbx.proxad.net] by azeem
14:29-!-mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem
14:30<azeem>torgursul: you've been silenced for 10 minutes; please keep it on topique
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14:30<jthomas_sb>today's date
14:30<azeem>jthomas_sb: that's not what I asked, is it?
14:30<colt>so to Xorg -configure it says to remove /tmp/.X0-lock but doing that results in denied permission
14:31<jthomas_sb>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1474560 2009-06-04 13:17 /dev/fd0
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14:31<dr|z3d>azeem: Surprised you didn't nuke the guy, to be honest. Very restrained! ;)
14:31<azeem>jthomas_sb: so yes, it's not a device file
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14:31<jthomas_sb>because i stopped it partway through, the file isn't as large as my wget file.
14:31<jthomas_sb>yes it is not a device. so i figured, /dev/fd/0
14:31<azeem>jthomas_sb: fd == file descriptor
14:31<azeem>not floppy disk
14:31<jthomas_sb>ah
14:32<jthomas_sb>:) learning something new daily.
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14:32<jthomas_sb>and i've been at this linux thing for years, which makes it all the better :)
14:32<urbinek>jthomas_sb: a litle offtopic, why floppy ?
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14:33<azeem>jthomas_sb: you might need to load the floppy kernel module first
14:33<jthomas_sb>the computer is a p2 laptop without cdrom, and i want to install debian on it. figured the easiest would be to boot from floppy and have it access the external cdrom. and it sounded like a fun project.
14:34<azeem>jthomas_sb: can it boot from USB?
14:34<finsken>I get an error from iTCO_wdt while booting, "failed to reset NO_REBOOT flag, reboot disabled by hardware" ... "No card detected", should I just remove the watchdog package from the kernel? Or can I get rid of the error somehow?
14:34<jthomas_sb>no, thats what i was hoping this floppy would do.
14:34<urbinek>azeem: have it got any usb ?
14:34<jthomas_sb>it does have usb
14:34<azeem>urbinek: it's not my notebook
14:34<azeem>20:31 < azeem> jthomas_sb: you might need to load the floppy kernel module first
14:34<urbinek>azeem: sry, wrong tab ^^'
14:35<jthomas_sb>hmm, since i don't have this with me i cannot follow along, but i am not sure how to do that.
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14:35<jthomas_sb>oh you mean, on my current setup? ok i can look into that
14:35<jthomas_sb>that worked :)
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14:36<jthomas_sb>neeto
14:36<jthomas_sb>thanks guys. now its running the dd. do you think this will work to direct the boot at the usb cdrom ?
14:36<Nemoder>what image are you using?
14:37<azeem>jthomas_sb: that depends on the image, so likely off-topic here
14:37<jthomas_sb>image, as in the ISO that I burn?
14:37<Nemoder>floppy image
14:37<urbinek>oh! i remembered why i'm here xD i've got 3 partitions in mdadm RAID0, i need to reinstall system, will i need to backup data and create new RAID partition or just use old ?
14:37<jthomas_sb>i am looking at the instructions here http://www.pendrivelinux.com/use-a-floppy-to-boot-usb-pendrive-linux/
14:38<azeem>jthomas_sb: so ask them
14:38<jthomas_sb>lol ok :)
14:38<azeem>jthomas_sb: I don't think that's a debian image, is it?
14:38<jthomas_sb>no, i just want something that cvan point at the USB to make it boot from that, since its not supported in BIOS. I am open to suggestions.
14:39<azeem>at the USB?
14:39<azeem>you just said there was no USB
14:39<azeem>jthomas_sb: there's debian boot floppies as well
14:39<jthomas_sb>there is USB ports. There is no Boot From USB option in the BIOS.
14:39<azeem>ok
14:39<jthomas_sb>so i want to boot from Floppy and then boot into the CDROM
14:39<azeem>then try them, they are mode explicitely to check USB sticks with ISOs on them
14:40<azeem>might work with USB CD-ROMs as well
14:40<Nemoder>jthomas_sb: if the pendrive thing doesn't work I have used this one before: http://linux.simple.be/tools/sbm
14:40<jthomas_sb>"<azeem> then try them" which, the Debian floppy images?
14:40-!-mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
14:40<Nemoder>though I'm not sure how well it works with usb
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14:40<@azeem>yes
14:40<jthomas_sb>an iso-on-usbdrive works fine for my needs also
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14:42<jthomas_sb>nice thanks friends
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14:43<urbinek>azeem: i've got 3 partitions in mdadm RAID0, i need to reinstall system, will i need to backup data and create new RAID partition or just use old ?
14:43<azeem>urbinek: don't ask people, ask the channel
14:44<urbinek>i've asked and you are theonly active user
14:44<azeem>then ask again in a couple of hours
14:44<urbinek>k
14:44<azeem>if people know the answer, they will answer
14:44<urbinek>kk
14:44<azeem>asking people directly is just annoying them
14:44<bja>azeem: did you manage the vmx files on your dell?
14:45<urbinek>k, i get it,izzi ;)
14:45<azeem>bja: no, it turns out it won't work
14:45<azeem>you need a VT-enabled machine to run 64bit VMWare guests, even if you have a 64bit host
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14:49<jthomas_sb>i got that sbm installed to my floppy and will try it tonight if i get the chance. i didn't see anything for debian floppys which would boot an iso, but i'll get back to that if this one doesn't work. thanks again.
14:49<tuxcrafter>hi all how do I set comments in the /etc/apt/preferences file
14:49<tuxcrafter># ; or // did not work
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14:51<locklace>tuxcrafter: man apt_preferences
14:51<tuxcrafter>locklace: Each record in the APT preferences file can optionally begin with one or more lines beginning with the word Explanation:. This provides a place for comments.
14:51<tuxcrafter>i think i found it
14:51<tuxcrafter>strange way of making comments
14:51<locklace>!congratulate tuxcrafter
14:51<dpkg>Nice one tuxcrafter, you did it!
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14:53<colt>whoohoo the linux bible is gonna replace my kjv
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14:54<tuxcrafter>locklace: it does not work
14:54<tuxcrafter>locklace: Explanation: Package: bluez-utils
14:54<tuxcrafter>thats the commit
14:54<tuxcrafter>i got multiple lines like that
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14:54<tuxcrafter>locklace: E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header
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14:58<colt>ahha..x is unable to find a valid framebuffer device
14:59<tuxcrafter>locklace: any ideas?
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14:59<themill>tuxcrafter: You can't comment out a section of the file like that. That Explanation tag is for a single line at the end of a Package: section.
15:00<tuxcrafter>hmm
15:00<tuxcrafter>wierd
15:00<tuxcrafter>why not allow comments
15:00<tuxcrafter>that can be uncommented
15:00<tuxcrafter>inline documentation
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15:01<themill>tuxcrafter: apt-get source apt ; vi apt-0.7.21/apt-pkg/policy.cc ; send patch!
15:01<themill>!dbugs 189866
15:01<dpkg>#189866:M[apt] Please allow '#' comments in /etc/apt/preferences (); Sun, 14 Oct 2001 03:33:01 UTC [374654 433623]
15:01<tuxcrafter>if i can find somebody that will do the coding i will donate him some money
15:02<tuxcrafter>2001 ..
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15:02<leikh>I have debian lenny with rt3.6 and exim4. I did a fresh install. Do I have to edit exim config files, or should delivery to rt que work right out of the box?
15:03<themill>tuxcrafter: note that you *can* use # for a comment as long as there are no blank lines between the # section and one other uncommented section
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15:12<miguel>my xorg.conf does not mention any particular graphic driver at all, how can i see which is used=?
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15:14<Nemoder>miguel: check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
15:14<colt>well i saw minewhen cntrl+f2 then cntrl-backspace then the screen flickered and it spit back a lot of info including the drivers
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15:15<colt>*sigh*
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15:16<beer>I have a small problem. I have installed nvidia-glx (wiht homemade kernel- moduel with m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source) and nvidia-settings. But I do not know how I tell X that it should use the closed source driver instead of the open
15:17<tuxcrafter>themill: thanks for showing the bug report
15:17<tuxcrafter>i replyed there
15:18<Nemoder>beer: try nvidia-xconfig
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15:18<beer>Nemoder: That command does not exist on my system. I am missing a package?
15:18<themill>tuxcrafter: the problem is that /etc/apt/preferences is an RFC-822 file and that standard doesn't provide for comments in any way. You can just about get away with comments by putting # in front of all lines including blank lines up to the previous block though
15:19<Nemoder>beer: that IS the package
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15:19<beer>tought it was a command :)
15:19<Nemoder>well that too :)
15:20<beer>seems to work (at least xorg.cof is not emty anymore
15:20<beer>now going to restart x
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15:40<kapal>A quick question. Im using Gnome on debian testing/unstable, I know I'm on my own in this case, but I've reviewed bugs and didnt see anything like that. Here is my case: I'm unable to stop particular applications to run by default on login. I tried to delete them under System->Preferences->Sessions, but it is no use. They keep running. Do you think editing ~/.gnome2/session is a good idea? Is there any other solution? Any hint appreciated...
15:41<cahoot>kapal: simply closing them first and then save the session doesn't do it?
15:41<kapal>tried that
15:42<kapal>cahoot: its screenlet daemon i want to get rid of
15:43<cahoot>that's not confed in gconf-editor? (just pondering the option)
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15:54<miguel>i have xorg and xfce, and i have even a symbol on my desktop for my external usb drive, but when i want to open it i get: failed to open directory, permission denied
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15:56<miguel>it gets mounted in /media/External with root:root as user:group and -rw------- for all files
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15:56<cahoot>vfat?
15:56<miguel>ntfs
15:57<miguel>/dev/sdb1 on /media/External type ntfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal)
15:58<cahoot>miguel: try /msg dpkg user accessible ntfs
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15:59<miguel>the root can access it right?
16:01<miguel>i just want to mount it with other rights
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16:06<robyromania>hi, i have some problem with the keyboard layout on lenny
16:06<robyromania>i go to system -> preferences -> keyboard
16:06<robyromania>then "layouts"
16:08<robyromania>then i clicked "add", added a new one, and at "layout options" i put the layout switching to alt+shift. it works ok, but when i restart the computer, the parte with alt+shift wasn't saved. there, the option is still checked, but it doesn't work.
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16:08<robyromania>does someone know how i can fix it. or how can i make debian remember the combination the next time i restart my computer?
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16:11<miguel>the fstab works perfectly for my sata ntfs drive, but i heard i shall not use it for usb-connected media!
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16:15<arw>dpkg: !usbmount
16:15<dpkg>i haven't a clue, arw
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16:27<ml|>dpkg: tell miguel about usbmount
16:27<miguel>can someone suggest a good hardware monitor (gui) that will show me the processors-workload, ram-usage etc?
16:27<tuxcrafter>hi all i did expand on a debian rules file
16:27<tuxcrafter>i need to tabify it again
16:27<tuxcrafter>how can i do ths
16:27<ml|>miguel: not gui but try htop
16:28<miguel>oook, just got it, ! thx
16:28<miguel>apt-get really rules!
16:28<ml|>dpkg: tell miguel about aptitude
16:29<ml|>dpkg: tell miguel about why aptitude
16:29<ml|>miguel: read the messages from dpkg
16:29<miguel>yeah i do
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16:29<ml|>ok cool
16:29<miguel>thought aptitude is jsut a nicer frontent for apt-get
16:29<miguel>but now i know better
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16:29<miguel>thx
16:29<ml|>nope read up
16:29<ml|>np
16:29<miguel>ya, read it
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16:30<miguel>i also keep talking to dpkg myself all the time, its genial!
16:30<miguel>finally i found someone who listens to me ;)
16:30<ml|>dpkg: congratulate miguel
16:30<dpkg>Woohoo miguel, you did it!
16:31<ml|>dpkg: rocks
16:31<dpkg>Yer damned right...
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16:31<ml|>hehe
16:31<miguel>cool
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16:32<ml|>miguel: there is also judd ask dpkg about it
16:33<bja>!beer miguel
16:33*dpkg deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for miguel
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16:34<Spartanb292>hallo, kann mir jmd bei der Installation von Centerim helfen?
16:34<ox>Can I just change all instances of "stable" in my sources.list to "etch" if I don't want to upgrade to lenny yet?
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16:34<ml|>yes
16:34<miguel>wow, i love that place!
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16:35<adb>ox: yes
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16:36<adb>oh , nm
16:37<deniz>how do i get the newer kernel from sid using the repositories? what do i apt-get install?
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16:38<adb>bpo
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16:38<ml|>dpkg: tell deniz about backport
16:38*EmleyMoor thinks he has almost settled the laptop debate
16:38<deniz>ml|, lol so what do i apt-get -t lenny-backports install then?
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16:39<EmleyMoor>Anyone tried a Dell Inspiron 15? (I gather it is also called a 1545)
16:39<drakeman>hello, hey ml| look at this post from me, hehe any idea http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/help-about-chroot-with-rssh-sftp-730690/ ?
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16:40<ml|>drakeman: i saw you had asked before here, but i no idea don't use that app
16:40<ml|>deniz: read msg from dpkg
16:41<drakeman>ml :(
16:41<deniz>ml|, yes i did, it doesn't say what to get, it just says backports so is the package called "linux-libc-dev"?
16:41<patrikf>drakeman: you probably need to setuid the chroot helper?
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16:42<drakeman>patrikf, i think i already try that, and didnt work, but let me try again!
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16:42<patrikf>drakeman: it should also be owned by root
16:43<ml|>dpkg: tell deniz about backports.org
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16:43<drakeman>patrikf, im doing it right now, i will tell you the results.
16:44<deniz>ml|, dpkg is telling me to use backports and thats not my problem, id like to know what exact package to get form backports
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16:44<adb>http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/i386/linux-image-2.6.29-bpo.2-686
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16:47<deniz>adb, was that message directed to me?
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16:47<ml|>adb: thanks had no idea which kernel to link
16:47<ml|>deniz: yes
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16:48<jaymerk>hey guys. i am having installation issues. i am trying to install lenny on a box i just built. it stalls right after printing the memory usage or after saying "ata1: softreset failed" and "hde: timeout waiting for DMA" depending on which installer i use. any ideas?
16:48<deniz>ml|, adb, thanks but this is the amd64 one right?: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-image-2.6.29-bpo.2-amd64
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16:48<ml|>deniz: looks like it
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16:50<deniz>ml|, apt can see updates from backports also right?
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16:54<drakeman>hey what happen with patrikf :(
16:54<drakeman>damnt
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16:54<themill>deniz: only if you have pinning correct
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16:56<ml|>themill: would just update the kernel he is using and touch nothing else without pinning?
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16:57<themill>you need pinning to (a) make sure you don't pick up *everything* on bpo and (b) make sure you get updates to packages from bpo that you have installed from there
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16:59<miguel>i have an emberaasing problem. the htop in my terminal uses f10 to quit, but at the same time my xterminal uses this key-shortcut to enter the menu
16:59<miguel>and i cant find a way to reassign it
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17:00<miguel>its the xfce4-terminal
17:00<themill>miguel: ^C works too
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17:00<miguel>maybe i just have to use another one
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17:05<raymonp_>what is the right way to go when creating apache clusters with debian?? anyone here experienced with webclustering?
17:05<ml|>themill: ok, i don't use pinning just apt.cong with APT::Default-Release "testing"; and that only touches anything i might installed from sid
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17:05<themill>ml|: that's not the same as using backports though
17:06<ed_debian>Is there a lenny stable and a lenny testing??
17:06<ed_debian>I am confused by the naming convention I think
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17:06<ml|>themill: ah, so it's different for bpo, thank you
17:06<themill>!releases
17:06<dpkg>See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases
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17:07<ed_debian>themill: Thank you!
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17:08<ed_debian>BTW Is anyone here having trouble getting on the freenode network?
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17:08<ml|>not me
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17:09<ed_debian>I can't even ping it
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17:09<ml|>i'm connected and working fine
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17:11<bja>Really stupid thing, ran out of battery in the midle of an install, will dpkg --configure -a will take up where it was left, or its better to re-install
17:12<ed_debian>ml|: Alright it must be my network then. Thank you!
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17:13<ml|>np
17:13<themill>bja: you'll probably be able to get away with it.
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17:14<bja>themill: it said it was restarting hal
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17:17<bja>themill: My guess is that nothing went wrong, mouse is alive, sound is alive, i could boot. But then again i needed some advice(read peace of mind)
17:17<bja>he he
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17:17<xente>is anyone else here having trouble with compiz and squeeze?
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17:21<jaymerk>hey guys. i am having installation issues. i am trying to install lenny on a box i just built. it stalls right after printing the memory usage or after saying "ata1: softreset failed" and "hde: timeout waiting for DMA" depending on which installer i use. any ideas?
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17:24<locklace>jaymerk: can you try with the backport installer image
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17:25<locklace>!tell jaymerk about kmuto
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17:27<jaymerk>hi. i'm sorry. i was fiddling with the other computer.
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17:29<jaymerk>locklace: i will download and try that now. i have been trying the 64bit versions. i was going to try x86 version
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17:31<matt7676>I would like to buid 802.11b/g/n WAP under Debian. Interface has to be PCI. As I understand MADWIFI doesn't support 802.11n, but ath9k does. So as i understand fow example "D-link DWA-552"(AR5416 chipset) is suitable for this project? However, any other suitable PCI WIFI adapters?
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17:33<locklace>jaymerk: also list your hardware config: processor, mainboard, controllers, drives. lspci is a convenient way to display some of this data
17:33<ml|>is the only difference between standard live cd and rescue live cd, the tools that come in rescue?
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17:36<xente>If I were to by a wireless adapter, which adapters work with 802.11n?
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17:37<jaymerk>locklace: i can hardly get the install started. i am using a gigabyte ga-ma790x-ud4p, phenom ii x3, amd sb750, samsung optical that's working fine, and gsata2 controller
17:37<jaymerk>i have the sb750 disabled in bios. i found a bug report related to this where someone bypassed it and used the other controller
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17:50<Golfgeo>Any one know the abriviation of Default Gateway?
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17:52<Golfgeo>hmm
17:53<avu>Golfgeo, in what context?
17:54<Golfgeo>Just so I don't have too write it out 10 times in 2 pages text
17:54<avu>just 'gateway'
17:55<Golfgeo>lol
17:55<avu>that's what interfaces(5) calls it for example
17:55<Golfgeo>Thats not exact enough...
17:55<Golfgeo>:-)
17:55<avu>!lol
17:55<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
17:55<Golfgeo>Writing out what HRSP and VRRP is...
17:56<Golfgeo>No it's a men with his arms up in the air!
17:56<Golfgeo>And lol :-P
17:56<avu>well, if you want to be precise, be precise.
17:56<Golfgeo>:-P
17:57<Golfgeo>:-)
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17:57<avu>and make yourself a latex macro :)
17:57<Golfgeo>Will do
17:57<Golfgeo>latex?
17:57<Golfgeo>I don't need no stinking rubbers!
17:57<avu>what else would you use for such a text?
17:57<Supaplex>Golfgeo: I've heard of HSRP, does the router get hotter with HRSP? or is it cool to begin with, then overheats?
17:57<Golfgeo>I use synthetics
17:57<avu>plonk
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17:57<Golfgeo>rofl
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18:06<Golfgeo>avu: Just Word 2000 :-P
18:06<Golfgeo>WP went away in shame :-( So I switched to word
18:07<Golfgeo>Oh yea, running Windows XP on my Desktops
18:07<Supaplex>smells like bo
18:07<Golfgeo>Body Oder?
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18:08<Supaplex>(body odor|back orrifice)
18:08<Golfgeo>hmm
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18:08<Golfgeo>Thats not nice!
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18:09<Golfgeo>Oh well, I like not to have to mount network share all the time...
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18:10<Golfgeo>Point and click
18:10<jaymerk>is work being actively done towards squeeze right now?
18:10<Supaplex>edit fstab and forget it
18:10<Golfgeo>Although my servers all run Debian :-)
18:10<jaymerk>the last weekly build is from february
18:10<Golfgeo>Consol b.t.w.
18:10<abrotman>jaymerk: use a daily netint
18:10<abrotman>netinst
18:12<Golfgeo>I hate my life
18:12<Golfgeo>please kill me now!
18:12<Golfgeo>Argh
18:12<Golfgeo>hmm\
18:12<Golfgeo>*hmm even
18:12<bja>!nuke Golfgeo
18:12*dpkg fires an 80 megaton thermonuclear weapon at Golfgeo
18:12<Golfgeo>:-)
18:12<bja>!kill Golfgeo
18:12<Golfgeo>I'm melting
18:12*dpkg crushes Golfgeo with a large trout
18:12<Supaplex>if there was only an oper around. perhaps they could fullfil your request. :D
18:12<bja>!beer Golfgeo
18:12*dpkg deftly decants a fine Yuengling Lager for Golfgeo
18:13<Golfgeo>:-)
18:14<Golfgeo>Wait a moment, can HSRP run on a switch?
18:14<Golfgeo>Or do you need a dammed router?
18:15<locklace>only if the switch is acting as a router
18:15<Supaplex>I know Juniper Networks has switches that can do that. They don't call it HSRP though.
18:16<locklace>the ietf-standard equivalent to it is called vrrp
18:16<Golfgeo>VRRP perhaps
18:16<Golfgeo>lol
18:16<Golfgeo>dammit, 100 milli seconds to late
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18:16<Supaplex>it's faster than vrrp
18:17<Golfgeo>oke
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18:17<locklace>but please distinguish between layer 2 and layer 3 ha mechanisms
18:17<Golfgeo>trying to Visio an image of HSRP of VRRP so they can understand it
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18:18<Supaplex>I don't recall. I think it's layer2. I saw some youtube video of an ex-series a few weeks ago.
18:18<ed_debian>I have two harddrives. Is it possible to stretch one partition over 2 physical drives??
18:19<Supaplex>ed_debian: with lvm
18:19<MohammadAG>ed_debian, no
18:19<ed_debian>Supaplex, lol Well which is it boys?
18:19<MohammadAG>not with gparted or "out of the box methods"
18:19<locklace>at layer 2 the standard solution is some form of spanning tree, but there are all kinds of vendor-specific clustering technologies
18:19<ed_debian>is lvm a filesystem?
18:19<Supaplex>I'm running my /home on two drives, and it's not raid.
18:19<Supaplex>!lvm
18:19<dpkg>somebody said lvm was the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net.
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18:19<Golfgeo>HSRP hase IP and MAC in virtual thingy...
18:20<locklace>Golfgeo: is that a technical term
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18:20<ViViNcI>ciao
18:20<Supaplex>locklace: yes. thingy.
18:20<Supaplex>;)
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18:20<ViViNcI>!list
18:20<dpkg>vivinci: VATTENE VIA
18:20<locklace>!it
18:20<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
18:20<ViViNcI>sorry
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18:21<Golfgeo>locklace: Sure it is a technical thingy :-P
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18:21<ed_debian>Can I do this without re-partitioning if all I want to do is grow an existing ext3 partition onto the second disk??
18:22<locklace>no
18:22<Supaplex>ed_debian: nay
18:22<ed_debian>locklace, BUT I WANNA!!!
18:22<ed_debian>:(
18:22<Supaplex>EFAIL
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18:24<jaymerk>abrotman: thanks
18:25<Supaplex>ed_debian: what mount point does this partition provide right now?
18:26<ed_debian>"/home"
18:26<ed_debian>lol kinda important stuff huh
18:26<Supaplex>the lvm2 howto has some recepies for cutting over to lvm in situations like this. check it out.
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18:27<jaymerk>locklace: the custom gave me the same error. it is saying "hde: DMA timeout retry" "hde: timeout waiting for DMA" like it was before when i do an expert install
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18:28<ed_debian>Supaplex, Is the lvm2 howto a web page?
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18:28<ed_debian>or are you talking about man pages?
18:28<Supaplex>google it
18:28<locklace>jaymerk: is this with the backport installer image? did you choose the text-mode install?
18:28<jaymerk>yeah
18:28<jaymerk>it stalls pretty much immediately
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18:28<miguel>how can i check if i have 3d acceleration
18:28<ed_debian>On a side note: What firefox version is running in Squeeze?
18:29<locklace>jaymerk: ok. btw, no point trying a squeeze installer, squeeze still uses the lenny kernel and furthermore the squeeze installers have had all kinds of problems, so it's better to install lenny and upgrade to squeeze
18:29<Supaplex>judd: versions iceweasel
18:29<abrotman>ed_debian: packages.debian.org/iceweasel
18:29<judd>Supaplex: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 sid: 3.0.9-1 squeeze: 3.0.9-1
18:29<miguel>coz im afraid im using NV driver, and this does not use my 3d accelartion
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18:29<jaymerk>i'd be happy to to do that, but i have to get lenny to install first :p
18:29<ed_debian>judd, How do you get that handy little print out??
18:29<judd>ed_debian: Error: "How" is not a valid command.
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18:30<ed_debian>is judd a bot?
18:30<abrotman>ed_debian: packages.debian.org/iceweasel
18:30<miguel>yaeh
18:30<ml|>ed_debian: /msg judd versions package name
18:30<Golfgeo>I believe I have a winner
18:30<Golfgeo>:-)
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18:30<locklace>jaymerk: right. can you try booting with the ide=nodma and/or the all_generic_ide kernel options
18:30<jaymerk>locklace: i don't think it's an issue with my connections. i run a bootdisk with partition editors and they find the hd. mandriva freezes as well.
18:31<jaymerk>locklace: i have tried the generic ide option
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18:31<Supaplex>jaymerk: any funky bios settings? maybe you have it disabled in the bios. I had a odd box play with my mind this way once before.
18:31<ml|>miguel: did you install an nvidia driver from debian or nvidia.com
18:31<miguel>nope
18:31<miguel>i use the open-source nv driver
18:31<miguel>that ships with debian
18:31<miguel>does THIS one not support 3d-acceration?
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18:32<ml|>dpkg: tell miguel about nvidia
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18:32<ml|>miguel: no
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18:32<miguel>ooook
18:32<Supaplex>miguel: nvidia.com one doesn't play nice with kernel upgrades. that's why there's a package for it.
18:33<jaymerk>Supaplex: i just built this yesterday. there are two sata controllers on the mobo. amd sb750 and gigabyte gsata2. googling tells me that other people have had issues with that controller so i disabled it and am using the gsata one.
18:33<ed_debian>Thanks everybody!
18:33<locklace>jaymerk: did you also try with the southbridge enabled?
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18:35<miguel>Supaplex, thx too, i will check this one out
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18:37<Supaplex>jaymerk: ahh. that's good to know. new hardware has new tricks up their sleeve. :( kind of a bummer.
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18:39<Golfgeo>Can someone check my nic-teaming diagram? http://nekita.net/~ice/NickTeaming.pdf
18:40<Golfgeo>Dammit, forgot to include the network adress
18:40<Golfgeo>hmm
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18:41<Golfgeo>Not going to change it
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18:43<Golfgeo>Can anyone check it?
18:43<Supaplex>I see pretty colors
18:43<Golfgeo>lol
18:44<Golfgeo>Is the idea correct?
18:44<locklace>Supaplex: that was the mouldy cheese sandwich you had for lunch
18:44<Golfgeo>Or did I make any bonehead mistakes?
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18:44<Supaplex>are these devices running debian?
18:45<Golfgeo>Is that a question?
18:45<Golfgeo>PDF's can't run anything :-P
18:45<Supaplex>sure they can. I send the right pdf to my clients, and they send me money.
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18:46<Golfgeo>:-)
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18:47<Golfgeo>But Supaplex, does it seem right?
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18:49<Supaplex>I would ask a more generic channel like #networking, or maybe a vendor specific channel.
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18:49<Golfgeo><ed_debian> Thanks everybody!
18:49<Golfgeo>hmm
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18:55<miguel>hooray , my 3d acceleration seems to work now , i wonder now the same about my sound, if my sound card is fully used
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18:55<bja>!congratulate miguel
18:55<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies miguel, you did it!
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18:55<miguel>heheheh
18:56<miguel>thx all
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18:57<ml|>if i purge acpi-support-base will the power button stop working while in a tty?
18:58<ml|>hah
18:59<jaymerk>locklace: yes. i also tried with the reverse enabled/disabled setup.
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19:00<locklace>ml|: acpi-support/acpi-support-base have the scripts that react to acpi events like laptop power button received by acpid, so presumably yes
19:00<locklace>jaymerk: other kernel options to try are the ones for disabling apic/lapic and acpi
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19:00<locklace>jaymerk: if none of that stuff gives you a bootable kernel, i'd suggest you post to lkml
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19:01<jaymerk>locklace: i have tried the noacpi option
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19:02<ml|>ok, thought so just wanna get rid of the console-tool and partners but will remove acpi-support-base and pm-utils, purge it all and reinstall acpi-support-base and pm-utils that should work right?
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19:04<locklace>judd depends acpi-support-base
19:04<judd>locklace: acpi-support-base -- Depends: acpid (>= 1.0.4), console-utilities
19:04<jaymerk>locklace: this is maybe my 4th box i've thrown linux on so i'm still fairly new. should i try all the options together?
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19:05<locklace>jaymerk: sure
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19:11<jaymerk>locklace: i will try them all together. all_generic_ide noacpi noapic nolapic ide=nodma. did i forget any?
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19:12<locklace>jaymerk: nope
19:12<jaymerk>locklace: ok. i will try them now. when compiling that list, i forgot to try the nodma so i and trying that first with generic ide before throwing it all together
19:13<jaymerk>locklace: thanks.
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19:23<T_X>eh, I just wanted to do an aptitude full-upgrade. but it wants to remove mktemp... and mktemp keeps telling me, that this would be a very, very bad idea...
19:23<T_X>can I safely remove it or not :D?
19:24<themill>!btssmite T_X
19:24*dpkg beats T_X around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if T_X is running testing or unstable
19:24<themill>!dbugs 531846
19:24<dpkg>#531846:S[coreutils] coreutils: Upgrading to 7.4-1 makes apt-get ask for 'Yes, do as I say!' because of mktemp (); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:45:02 UTC []
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19:26<T_X>themill: ah, thanks for telling me :). I'd better try to buy a new head somewhere now, I guess :D
19:26*Supaplex shudders at that prompt
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19:46<Monev>ello, does someone know how to change the screen resolution from tty?
19:46<Supaplex>somewhere in /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh
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19:48<Monev>Supaplex: i need to change tty7 and am on text tty
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19:49<drakeman>Hello, anyone can help me with this problem, if anyone knows, please, i post the problem with log files here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1178391
19:49<drakeman>im using debian lenny
19:49<drakeman>the problem is jailing a user using rssh, and sftp.
19:50<ed_debian>give ftp (the user) the ability to sudo?
19:50<Supaplex>Monev: I don't recall the name. switchto, or something like that.
19:51<abrotman>chvt
19:51<abrotman>oh ..
19:51<abrotman>ignore that
19:51<drakeman>ed_debian, that message is for me?
19:51<Monev>i know how to change tty's but the resolution seems to have screwed up so yeah
19:51<Supaplex>Monev: change it to what?
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19:51<ed_debian>drakeman, yeah
19:52<Supaplex>ahh. I usually have to /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh start after xorg exits. I haven't figured out why my 80x50 text mode doesn't restore correctly.
19:52<ed_debian>drakeman, Although it seems like it would be a pretty obvious security flaw that ftp could have root access
19:53<abrotman>you think?
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19:53<drakeman>ed_debian, you say that i have to put the user ftp in the sudoers file? remember my main purpose with this is that the ftp user can only connect through sftp, and when he try to log using ssh he gaves the rssh console error message and the connection closes.
19:54-!-ubuntu is now known as Guest579
19:54<Monev>Supaplex: w/e really ill just keep changing till it actually works
19:55<Monev>or i can see something
19:55<ed_debian>From your user log : Jun 4 11:27:47 drake rssh_chroot_helper[6126]: chroot() failed, 2: Operation not permitted
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19:55<ed_debian>"Operation not permitted" means that somebody tried to do something only root can do
19:56<abrotman>not true
19:56<ed_debian>nevermind then!
19:56<ed_debian>lol
19:56<abrotman>anyways .. does the user work locally instead of over sftp ?
19:57<drakeman>abrotman, i made the user only for the sftp connection!
19:57<drakeman>with my main user, drakeman, i can enter to sftp without problems.
19:58<drakeman>cause i have the /bin/bash set for my user, when i set /bin/bash to ftp user it can log in but the jail dont work, when i put again the /usr/bin/rssh, the ssh connection reject the user but the sftp too, and it should give the access through sftp.
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19:59<abrotman>did you add /usr/bin/rssh to /etc/shells ?
20:00<drakeman>yes!
20:00<drakeman>abrotman, the last line of my /etc/shells is ----> /usr/bin/rssh
20:01<bja>!kill drakeman
20:01*dpkg rips drakeman open with his teeth
20:01<drakeman>bja, whyyyy what i do?
20:02<bja>drakeman: "I'll post the interesting part"
20:02<simNIX>you said the r ..
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20:06<drakeman>hey abrotman you can try yourself sftp ftp@190.32.183.34 -p 770
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20:08<ChronoX>hey guys, then i type rcconf i can see one option "open-backdoor". what happens if i disable it?
20:09<bja>drakeman: Do you have the ftp dir and what kind of permissions you have there
20:10<ChronoX>im using lenny Desktop. What happen if i disable openbsd-inetd?
20:10<drakeman>bja, drwxr-xr-x 4 ftp ftp 4096 2009-06-04 10:32 ftp
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20:11<Supaplex>ChronoX: it'll be disabled
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20:12<ChronoX>well, whats this use?
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20:12<ChronoX>why may i disable or enable it?
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20:12<Supaplex>administrative control
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20:13<ChronoX>i dont understand
20:13<ChronoX>my question is: what i cant do if i disable it?
20:14<ChronoX>that i do now
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20:18<ChronoX>I have two enabled things on rcconf that i dont understand. one is "open-backdoor" and other is "openbsd-inetd". Can you tell me what they do? What i cant do if i disable it?
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20:20<dondelelcaro>ChronoX: open-backdoor is part of debian-edu-config, and openbsd-inetd starts an inetd if you have any services served by one
20:20*EmleyMoor has managed to get his spare wireless card to work in Debian
20:20<dondelelcaro>(I don't use debian-edu, so I'd have to look up what that script actually does; you can read it yourself if you want to know)
20:21<EmleyMoor>So, even if I have toruble with the new laptop, there's hope
20:21<drakeman>abrotman, any idea?
20:21<abrotman>sorry .. was eating
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20:22<EmleyMoor>I hadn't realised it was being called wlan0 before
20:23<ChronoX>dondelelcaro, i use my debian for Desktop, openbsd-inetd is non-useful for me?
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20:23<dondelelcaro>ChronoX: depends on what you're doing
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20:23<dondelelcaro>ChronoX: if you don't have anything configured in /etc/inetd, it won't actually do anything, so it shouldn't be a huge issue
20:24<drakeman>abrotman, ohh sorry, got to finish your meal :D
20:24<ChronoX> configured in /etc/inetd ? there are some examples?
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20:25<dondelelcaro>ChronoX: there are some examples there, but by default they're disabled
20:25<ChronoX>and about resize-lvm?
20:25<abrotman>drakeman: yes, fails here also
20:25<ChronoX>what is it?
20:26<drakeman>abrotman, dont know what else can i do, i must be have something wrong (obviously) but dont have any idea what.
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20:29<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... not sure the new laptop has cardbus - never mind, I'm sure a backported kernel will work...
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20:30<Yesu>does anyone know how to install firefox on debian lenny amd64?
20:30<Supaplex>cardbus, or expresscard maybe.
20:30<Supaplex>Yesu: iceweasel
20:30<ChronoX>anyone knows what is resize-lvm, and to what its util??
20:31<EmleyMoor>ExpressCard is mentioned
20:31<abrotman>Yesu: aptitude install iceweasel
20:31<Yesu>supaplex, would you know how to change the icon for iceweasel? I have a gnome iconic theme I would to use, but can't get it to work with these .png files
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20:32<abrotman>drakeman: what other access does your chroot have ?
20:32<drakeman>only sftp.
20:32<Supaplex>ChronoX: does it have a man page? there are a lot of components in lvm, that could resize the physical volume, logical, or filesystem on the lv, or perhaps tie the last two together.
20:33<Yesu>abrotman, is there a flashplugin for iceweasel as well?
20:33<ChronoX>ty,
20:33<abrotman>Yesu: i'm sure there is
20:33<drakeman>abrotman, when y try to log with the ftp user though ssh, i guet this message : This account is restricted by rssh. ----- Allowed commands: sftp------------If you believe this is in error, please contact your system administrator. ------------------Connection to localhost closed
20:33<drakeman>Yesu, is the same than firefox.
20:34<Yesu>ok
20:34<Supaplex>!tell Yesu -about flash
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20:34<drakeman>abrotman, the ssh message i get when i try tu log with ftp user is the correct message it have to show, in that part we are fine!
20:34<abrotman>huh ?
20:35<abrotman>drakeman: so change its shell and try again
20:35<drakeman>if i change the shell to ftp user i can enter without problems, but i dont want this, because the the jail doesnt work.
20:36<drakeman>abrotman, works with rssh..
20:36<Yesu>epiphany is my default, how i change that :(
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20:37<dirk_>hi. when I'm watching movies with mplayer for longer than 15 min my screen darkens -- even that I haven't set no timer for any screen saver or any other stand by function. please, how can I get rid of this? its very disturbing to hit the mouse every 15 min when watching a movie....
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20:37<dirk_>I've checked all kind of settings, but can't find anything.
20:38<drakeman>Yesu, type: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
20:38<Yesu>thanks drakeman
20:38<drakeman>Yesu, thats ok!
20:39<Yesu>is that tne entire sytax?
20:39<dirk_>any thoughts? Im going mad. =)
20:39<Yesu>i got it, nm
20:39<dirk_>I don't even know what to google for... :-P
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20:39<drakeman>Yesu, yes, you need sudo or root access to do it.
20:39<Yesu>thx yah :)
20:40<Yesu>you know how to use gnome-iconic themes that are .png?
20:40<Yesu>been trying to get them to work all day :(
20:40<drakeman>Yesu, : -- o, no idea! sorry :(
20:40<Yesu>ok
20:40<Supaplex>I'm a simple man with a simple need only for openbox3 :)
20:42<bja>locklace: zsh?
20:42<ml|>zsh rocks :)
20:43<Supaplex>!start a shell war
20:43<dpkg>csh is worse than rc
20:43<ml|>lol
20:43<bja>!nuke Supaplex
20:43*dpkg fires an 80 megaton thermonuclear weapon at Supaplex
20:43<bja>he he war ended
20:43<ml|>!start a shell war
20:43<dpkg>csh owns rc
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20:44<dirk_>please. where can I change timer functions, stand-by, hibernate, etc? something's set for this system by default, and I need to change it.
20:46<Supaplex>I had a man page some place, but bja blew it up :(
20:47<ml|>haha
20:47<abrotman>dirk_: you could turn off DPMS perhaps
20:47<bja>he he
20:48<ml|>dirk_: or your desktop environment eg gnome, kde
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20:49<dirk_>I run xfce... But how do I fiind the settings for DPMS? is it in the conf file?
20:49*bja searches on the ashes for Supaplex's man page
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20:50<abrotman>!dpms
20:50<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section).
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20:51<dirk_>abrotman. ah, swell, thanks. I just was about to hit xset...
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20:52<bja>cya
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20:53<dirk_>Option "DPMS" "true" <--- will change that to false.
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20:54<Golfgeo>I'm realy stuck with this problem: trunking vlan and hsrp
20:55<Supaplex>Golfgeo: for interface(5) ?
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20:58<Golfgeo>I have a two switches that need to be connected to two routers via two cables a piece so |X| I need to use multiple vlans on both and have HSRP
20:58<Golfgeo>I'm taking a brake, bbl
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21:00<dpalacio>can I tell wpasupplicant to not overwrite resolv.conf? the wireless router is not giving entirely correct dns servers
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21:02<dmoerner>dpalacio, you might want to add a prepend domain-name-server or supersede domain-name-server to /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
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21:02<Supaplex>Golfgeo: ask irc.freenode.net ##networking or #cisco
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21:05<dpalacio>dmoerner: separated by spaces? x.x.x.x y.y.y.y?
21:05<Golfgeo>he, there is a cisco channel?
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21:07<Supaplex>Golfgeo: yes
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21:09<Supaplex>what's that old three floppy distro for security testing/toolkit/etc? /dev/brain is needs a defrag after bja scrambled my bits. ;)
21:09<Supaplex>!nuke the munitions depot
21:09*dpkg fires an 80 megaton thermonuclear weapon at the munitions depot
21:10*dpalacio tests
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21:10<dmoerner>dpalacio, separate by a comma and space, ended with a semicolon. the file is well commented
21:10<dr|z3d>!nuke Supaplex
21:10*dpkg fires an 80 megaton thermonuclear weapon at Supaplex
21:10<abrotman>lay off the bot
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21:11<Supaplex>iptables -I INPUT -m nuke -p nuke -j DENY
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21:15<dpalacio>got it, thanks
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21:41<Rizzer>anyone here use gandi.net ?
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21:42<dr|z3d>Rizzer: What's the Debian angle?
21:42<james>hey
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21:42<Guest593>who here is using fluxbox with debian
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21:42<Rizzer>dr|z3d, they use Debian, some of us use them
21:44<cockroach>Rizzer: i have all my domains there, so yes, heard of it
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21:45<Rizzer>cockroach, web site's now back online
21:45<Rizzer>*now* they tell us they're doing netowrk upgrades ;/
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21:45<cockroach>:)
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21:46<Rizzer>they could have mentioned it, like in the email they sent YESTERDAY grrr ;(
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21:46<bighornram>I have wine installed in squeeze: I've uninstalled several programs but they remain in the start menu. Can anyone tell me how to remove them? I've tried several things from searches online but nothing seems to work!
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21:50<lost>hello
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21:50<adb>bighornram: update-menus
21:50<cockroach>bighornram: i think they sit somewhere in your ~/.local/share
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21:51<lost>Anyone have any experience using claws mail with Gmail?
21:51<cockroach>bighornram: or listen to the person who actually knows something about it :)
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21:54<bighornram>adb: update-menus doesn't remove them.
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21:55<adb>so have others trubles
21:55<bighornram>darn...
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21:58<bighornram>cockroach: you were correct found them in there and deleted the folders now they are gone. ;)
21:58<cockroach>bighornram: glad i could help :)
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21:58<bighornram>uninstalling must not have removed the folders so they really were not all the way gone.
21:59<bighornram>thanks. good-day!
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23:41<karlw>Hi.
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23:43<karlw>I have a few questions about contributing.
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23:54<karlw>Whom should I mail about Lisp and Scheme? It seems like there are no centralized project maintainers.
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23:57<Supaplex>does bts show any maintainers? You could email them about your proposals
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