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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-06-09

---Logopened Tue Jun 09 00:00:16 2009
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00:34<badeagle01>how does the debian dist differ from Ubuntu?
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00:42<ml|>dpkg: tell badeagle01 about ubuntu
00:42<ml|>dpkg: tell badeagle01 about based on debian
00:44<laber>what is the instinct difference between dpkg and aptitude?? one sentence...
00:44<twb>laber: they are different layers of infrastructure. apt downloads packages, dpkg installs them.
00:44<laber>what are they do ?
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00:45<ml|>dpkg: tell laber about dpkg
00:45<laber>so they are in the same infrastucture??
00:45<ml|>dpkg: tell laber about aptitude
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00:45<ml|>dpkg: tell laber about why aptitude
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01:08<badeagle01>i have decided to switch to debian, there appear to be 31 cds for installation, do i need all over there or will just the first one allow me to do a slimer installation?
01:08<badeagle01>*slim
01:10<badeagle01>nvm, i found my answer
01:10<a>no need for 31 sure
01:10<ml|>badeagle01: do you have good connection
01:12<badeagle01>decent (1.5mbit), but I like to have a CD incase it goes out and when my/any connection is not avail
01:13<ml|>well i would use netinst
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01:13<ml|>dpkg: tell badeagle01 about netisnt
01:13<ml|>dpkg: tell badeagle01 about netinst
01:14<jm_>even one CD will provide just some most popular packages
01:16<badeagle01>i mainly use linux for web development, so i need apache, php, etc. I imagine those would be on the first CD
01:16<ml|>yup then you can install whatever you want after install, but i'd still use netinst tho
01:16<jm_>!cd contents
01:16<dpkg>To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk.
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01:20<reckoner>how can i change the computers name via command line? like laptop-bob to laptop-billy?
01:24<jm_>!hostname
01:24<dpkg>Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname
01:26<reckoner>awesome thanks
01:29<badeagle01>dpkg: tell badeagle01 about grub
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01:30<ml|>dpkg: tell badeagle01 about self tell
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01:30<ml|>dpkg: tell badeagle01 about dpkgbot
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01:39<a>hi people. I am upgrading from etch to lenny. am at the final step, aptitude full-upgrade done. I understand that now I must restart X manuall.y. should I do it as root? or as user? - thanx
01:40<k1lumin4t1>a, I think you better restart the whole system
01:40<ml|>yeah
01:40<a>ok, proceeding
01:41<laber>5~
01:41<laber>hi
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01:45<a>wow - seems that I have a real problem. 1) the system is still 2.6.18 2) does not want to start X. I am now at my terminal "login" and startx returns: no screens found any help?
01:45<a>i was upgrading to lenny, and changed the sources.list as it should be, and did all what is required
01:46<badeagle01>sounds like your xorg.conf needs fixed
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01:46<badeagle01>there is a command to have it generate a new default one that you can copy over the active one
01:47<badeagle01>i forget the command.... just a sec
01:47<ml|>a: did you read the release notes
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01:47<ml|>and this ...
01:47<a>yes i did read the release notes
01:47<adyn>hai
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01:48<badeagle01>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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01:50<badeagle01>i don't know if that's what you need or not, anyhow i'm out. thanks for the help ml|, i will use netinst. hopefully when i return it will be from debian
01:50<ml|>badeagle01: gl, np
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01:55<a>ml| I still do not understand why it did not upgrade - my sources.list points to lenny...
01:57<jm_>a: it did upgrade
01:58<a>jm_ how do you know this
01:59<jm_>a: because what you described is normal (apart from X not starting), and in fact, have you really read release notes, you'd notice there is a section about kernel upgrades
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02:00<piatkosia>er irc.quakenet.info
02:00<ml|>!pl
02:00<dpkg>polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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02:01<a>jm_ you are right for sure. and if I were a professional expert in linux debian systems i would not need to come to this chat for help
02:01<a>(in fact)
02:02<jm_>a: just pay more attention to release notes for the next time you upgrade Debian and you'll be fine
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02:03<ml|>a: just re-read release notes and see what you missed
02:03<jm_>for now first install new kernel, reboot with it, then if X doesn't work paste X logfile on pastebin and someone will take a look (pastebinit package is very useful)
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02:50<Yoda-BZH`Wk>plop/hi
02:51<ml|>hello
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03:24<Supaplex>!nuke cmd.exe
03:24*dpkg fires an 80 exaton thermonuclear weapon at supaplex
03:24<Supaplex>!nuke /proc/self
03:24*dpkg fires an 80 gigaton thermonuclear weapon at /proc/self
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03:25<ml|>another dpkg mis fire ;)
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03:29<Supaplex>indeed. I'd play more, but weasel might want a turn. ;)
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03:30<ml|>heh exaton
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03:31<ml|>Supaplex: your nick reminds me of wrestling
03:31<Supaplex>!supaplex
03:31<dpkg>somebody said supaplex was a classic game from the m$dos days featuring 111s of insanity. Now it's freeware, and has somewhere around 11 level seperate sets of (111) levels. a super hero one man support team, or see http://www.elmerproductions.com/sp/dlinst.html
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03:32<ml|>oh never heard of that
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04:11<rayarn>guys, I have a shell script running in the background.. imapsync.. is it possible to view the output of a process?
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04:15<jm_>rayarn: sometimes yes
04:16<rayarn>the shellscript has a output but i can`t see it since it was initiated from another terminal. (at home... im at work now)
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04:18<jm_>retty can help, or tinkering with stdout/stderr descriptors in debugger
04:19<rayarn>retty? ill check it out
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04:20<rayarn>no manual entry found.. hmm, there should be an easy way of viewing the output without installing a number of packages.. gut feeling
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04:24<ml|>maybenext time run it inside a screen session and attach to it from wok
04:24<ml|>*work
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04:31<AxxxA>hi
04:31<AxxxA>anyone around?
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04:31<AxxxA>anyone around?
04:32<AxxxA>i need halp
04:32<rayarn>ml, how do i attach to a screen session?
04:32<rayarn>you`re thinking about ssh`ing in to the box, then attaching to the screen session?
04:32<rayarn>x, or terminal?
04:33<ml|>screen in terminal
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04:33<ml|>screen -raAd name of session
04:34<ml|>screen -ls to get the session(s) name
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04:35<AxxxA>why is my debian being so slow --- it took like a minute to work out how many items i had in 1 folder
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04:36<ml|>you can name a session with screen -S name
04:36<AxxxA>admittedly there was 76.9 gb and it was on a different hard drive
04:36<AxxxA>but still
04:37<locklace>!slow
04:37<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, slow is ask me about dma, or ask me about nsswitch
04:37<AxxxA>i refuse
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04:43<ml|>dpkg: tell rayarn about screen
04:43<snogglethorpe>AxxxA: is it a slow drive?
04:43<rayarn>thanks ml|, your help is always appreciated.
04:43<snogglethorpe>AxxxA: how is it attached?
04:44<AxxxA>its a slave drive
04:44<shze|laptop>did I miss something?
04:44<ml|>dpkg: tell rayarn about screen tutorial
04:44<AxxxA>it runs windows
04:44<ml|>rayarn: np
04:44<AxxxA>xp
04:44<shze|laptop>how can I find out why name resolution is not working?
04:44<AxxxA>and im trying to access stuff on it so i can clear shit up
04:44<AxxxA>as my windows is having driver problems
04:44<locklace>shze|laptop: "cat /etc/resolv.conf"
04:45<AxxxA>atm i can get onto the hard drive but i can't edit anything as it's "read only"
04:45<AxxxA>how do i change this
04:45<AxxxA>it has no password
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04:45<shze|laptop>has 127.0.0.1, which cannot work, but /e/n/interfaces has correct dns server and I restarted
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04:46<shze|laptop>locklace: where else is /etc/resolv.conf set?
04:46<AxxxA>snogglethorpe help me
04:46<twb>shze|laptop: dhcpc sets it
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04:47<snogglethorpe>i dunno what a "slave drive" is
04:47<shze|laptop>I'm using manual ip addr, and /e/n/interfaces is configured accordingly
04:48<AxxxA>snogglethorpe: its an ordinary hard drive
04:48<AxxxA>320 gb maxtor
04:48<AxxxA>but i have two hard drives in my computer
04:48<AxxxA>my nix one and my xp one
04:48<twb>snogglethorpe: I guess he means the slave on a PATA bus.
04:49<jm_>and i was hoping for some s&m action
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04:49<twb>jm_: try kerberos
04:49<twb>jm_: or NT 4
04:50<jm_>twb: i am dealing with both occasionally :)
04:50<twb>Hmm. I need to find a "Windows NT Server 4.0 System Administrator" t-shirt to wear around to BDSM clubs. "So, what are you into?" "I administer a three-tiered, twelve-node NT4 cluster." -- http://bash.org/?quote=430975
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04:51<snogglethorpe>AxxxA: i dunno really, i don't have any experience with windows filesystems; if it's formated using ntfs, maybe the linux ntfs driver is really slow or something?
04:52<AxxxA>hmm
04:52<twb>You shouldn't be using the ntfs driver anyway; rather the ntfs-3g driver.
04:52<AxxxA>someone must know how to get the "read only" bit off it
04:52<snogglethorpe>twb: is the 3g thing any faster, or just mroe functional?
04:52<twb>snogglethorpe: it supports write access
04:52<snogglethorpe>i'd think fuse might even slow thigns down
04:52<twb>As it uses FUSE, I imagine it would actually be slower
04:53<AxxxA>twb im a nix beginner
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04:53<AxxxA>and someone here told me to put ntfs-3g_2009.4.4-1_i385.deb
04:53<AxxxA>on my nix
04:53<AxxxA>so i put it on my "desktop"
04:53<AxxxA>but i dont know how to install it
04:54<twb>AxxxA: the first rule is: do not just run stuff that peope tell you to run.
04:54<twb>*people
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04:54<AxxxA>why is that a rule?
04:54<twb>AxxxA: because this is Unix.
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04:54<AxxxA>ok
04:55<twb>If someone tells you to run something, you should understand what it does before you run it.
04:55<twb>Otherwise it won't work.
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04:55<AxxxA>really
04:55<twb>Yep.
04:55<snogglethorpe>also, that person might be stupid
04:55<ml|>yeah like rm -rf / <--- never do that
04:55<snogglethorpe>(hope it wasn't your mom)
04:55<twb>snogglethorpe: that's one reason
04:56<twb>http://catb.org/jargon/html/koans.html
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04:57<snogglethorpe>whenever i see a link to catb.org, i wonder "is this nsfw?"
04:57<AxxxA>hmm
04:58<ml|>AxxxA: have you read anything on how to do stuff in linux/unix
04:58<AxxxA>i read a bit a while back
04:58<AxxxA>but i've been and still am --- EXAMS
04:58<AxxxA>and this is really urgent
04:58<ml|>anything grom this channel
04:58<ml|>*from
04:58<twb>snogglethorpe: "rah rah kill towelheads rah rah pic rah fetchmailrc is a like cobol rah" ?
04:58<AxxxA>please can someone help
04:59<twb>AxxxA: #debian is more about helping you to learn rather than solving your immediate problems for you.
04:59<ml|>dpkg: tell AxxxA about grounding
04:59<AxxxA>please guys
04:59<ml|>when you have time read that
04:59<snogglethorpe>AxxxA: also to annoy you
04:59<AxxxA>guys - i have half an hour to do this
05:00<AxxxA>i dont have time to learn first
05:00<jm_>better start reading fast
05:00<AxxxA>i accidentaly closed it
05:00<snogglethorpe>AxxxA: what are you trying to do anyway? I just saw that you were complaining that listing a particular folder was slow
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05:01<AxxxA>i want to be able to edit the files on my windows drive from my linux drive
05:01<AxxxA>move them around and stuff
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05:01<themill>That's not a debian-stable version of ntfs-3g.
05:01<AxxxA>:(
05:01<snogglethorpe>AxxxA: even if listing the folder initially is slow, does it work?
05:01<snogglethorpe>AxxxA: is it still slow after that?
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05:03<AxxxA>it was much quicker the second time
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05:05<AxxxA>my problem is that when i try and set permissions to write it doesnt work
05:05<AxxxA>says "the permissions could not be changed. Couldn't change the permissions of "disks-conf-hdb2" because it is on a read-only disk
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05:06<kevin_>use root permissions to change
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05:07<AxxxA>how kevin_?
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05:07<kevin_>sudo
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05:07<kevin_>or su
05:07<ml|>dpkg: tell AxxxA about ntfs-3g
05:07<ml|>read that
05:09<AxxxA>thanks
05:09<AxxxA>i should be able to get that working now
05:10<ml|>but read the grounding stuff too
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05:11<AxxxA>okey
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05:12<AxxxA>it says "Error: dependency is not satisfiable: libntfs-3g54" when i tried to install the i386 version
05:12<ml|>did you try to install what you downloaded?
05:13<twb>AxxxA: you should install packages using aptitude or apt-get, NOT by downloading them manually
05:13<ml|>install with aptitude, right twb
05:13<AxxxA>net isnt working on my computer
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05:13<AxxxA>im on my laptop then moving them across
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05:14<AxxxA>will this work?
05:15<ml|>use aptitude download package name should download dependencies also
05:15<AxxxA>i'm just going to download the dependencies as well
05:15<AxxxA>and put them on the "desktop" bit
05:15<ml|>won't work without them
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05:16<ml|>do you know how to manually install them?
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05:17<AxxxA>yeah
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05:17<AxxxA>right click - "properties" o- "open with"
05:18<ml|>no
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05:18<AxxxA>no?!?!
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05:18<ml|>well maybe, dpkg -i package name
05:18<ml|>use that
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05:18<AxxxA>ok
05:19<AxxxA>Lo
05:19<AxxxA>:o there are so many
05:19<ml|>install dependencies first
05:19<AxxxA>i am
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05:20<AxxxA>but each dependency has its own dependencies
05:20<ml|>why don't you connect that laptop to the net, will make things easier
05:20<ml|>well yeah that is how it works
05:21<AxxxA>indeed
05:21<AxxxA>i think i have to
05:22<AxxxA>but trying to install the network adapter is trickky
05:22<AxxxA>it has dependencies too
05:22<ml|>network adapter?
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05:23<AxxxA>the bit which connects to the wireless network
05:23<AxxxA>it doesnt work with my nix
05:23<ml|>well just use wired for now
05:23<ml|>then when you have more time fix that
05:24<AxxxA>i cant use wired
05:24<AxxxA>its a desktop and a LONG way from a plug in point
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05:25<ml|>didn't you say it was a laptop
05:26<jm_>he uses laptop to download it ;)
05:26<twb>AxxxA: most wifi devices won't work out of the box with Debian, because they require non-free components that you have to explicitly opt-into using.
05:26<ml|>ah
05:26<AxxxA>i saw a tutorial telling me how to do it
05:26<ml|>missed that part jm_ ;)
05:26<AxxxA>but its on my windows file
05:27<AxxxA>FUCKING RAGE
05:27<ml|>dpkg: tell AxxxA about wifi
05:27<AxxxA>texas instruments
05:27<AxxxA>axc 100 and something
05:27<ml|>dpkg: tell AxxxA about what's my wireless
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05:28<AxxxA>THERE ARE TOO MANY PACKAGES
05:28<AxxxA>THEY ARE EVERYWHERE
05:28<AxxxA>IM GOING NOW
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05:29<twb>Hopefully to somewhere that has apostrophes.
05:30<ml|>lol
05:30<AxxxA>wh'ere?
05:30<AxxxA>i ho'pe not
05:30<twb>Maybe the klingon homeworld.
05:31<twb>I shan't give Rodenberry the satisfaction of looking up that datum.
05:31<AxxxA>da'tum
05:32<ml|>AxxxA: read what dpkg just told you you will wifi up soon if you get started
05:32<twb>Perhaps AxxxA doesn't know how to read private messages?
05:32<ml|>he knows
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05:33<ml|>dpkg: tell AxxxA about acx100
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05:34<ml|>that should be enough to get you going
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05:45<dmx>hello
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05:58<ghostlines>hi all
05:58<ghostlines>is there a way to configure a tap device at boot time in /etc/network/interfaces?
05:58<ghostlines>I have a bridge already setup, but now i want to configure a tap interface for openvpn
06:00<ffws>ghostlines: afaik the tun/tap devices are configured via openvpn, not /etc/network/interfaces
06:02<ghostlines>ffws, I already have a bridge setup, so would like to edit my interfaces file to add a tap device instead
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06:09<Stolen>how do i install 1.0.1-1 and all it's dependancies - http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/wine.html
06:10<jm_>with apt
06:10<Stolen>i tried apt-get install wine=1.0.1-1
06:10<Stolen>but then i get
06:10<Stolen>The following packages have unmet dependencies.
06:10<Stolen> wine: Depends: wine-bin (= 1.0.1-1) but it is not going to be installed
06:10<Stolen> Depends: wine-utils (= 1.0.1-1) but it is not going to be installed
06:10<Stolen>and a long list
06:11<jm_>are you using stable?
06:11<Stolen>don't understand sorry?
06:11<jm_>which debian version is this?
06:11<Stolen>etch i think
06:11<ml|>:O
06:11<bzed>upgrade to lenny then.
06:12<Stolen>how do i find out my version?
06:12<ml|>dpkg: tell Stolen about etch->lenny
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06:12<locklace>Stolen: lsb_release -a
06:13<Stolen>i'm running debian 5.0
06:13<Stolen>so i'm running lennt
06:13<Stolen>y*
06:13<ml|>hah
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06:14<ml|>judd is not around for versions :(
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06:15<jm_>then apt* install wine wine-bin wine-utils might say more
06:16<jm_>also apt-cache policy <those 3 pkgs>
06:16<ml|>that version is on sid
06:16<ml|>dpkg info wine
06:16<dpkg>wine: (Windows API implementation - standard suite), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 42 kB, Installed size: 96 kB
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06:17<jm_>1.0.1 is in lenny
06:17<ml|>oh so it's the same the
06:17<ml|>*then
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06:24<dbd1>hello there!
06:25<dbd1>I wanna ask about Debian parport
06:25<bzed>!ask
06:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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06:27<dbd1>How i can make working me my scanner through parport? He wont be visible by sane-find-scanner -p command and any other
06:27<dbd1>My scanner is Microtek Phantom 330CX. Im found he in support list of sane software
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06:29<Stolen>okay, i'm still confused about my wine install
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06:31<dbd1>I need some tip about my parport support in Linux for scanners! Especially in Debian. Scanner is plugged on and turned on and after all he not visible.
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06:32<dbd1>sane and libsane-extra is installed.
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06:36<dbd1>I didnt found help in Google about Microtek scanner. And sane-scanner-find think i should have Mustek scanner.
06:36<rayarn>what`s the best gps program for linux/debian?
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06:36<dbd1>Or all working or all dead
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06:38<jm_>!sane
06:38<dpkg>sane is, like, Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning... easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/ and #sane at irc.freenode.net, or http://wiki.debian.org/SaneOverNetwork
06:38<jm_>try that channel
06:38<dbd1>Ok
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06:39<dbd1>Lol? #sane is empty
06:39<petemc>try on freenode
06:39<dbd1>Or
06:39<ml|>rayarn: use apt-cache search and see which one works best for you, or wait for a suggestion
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06:41<rayarn>ml|, been there, done that.. haven`t found anything useful.
06:42<ml|>ah, so option 2 it is ;)
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06:43<rayarn>looks like it :)
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06:46<rayarn>I want to build a debian carputer if there is any good gps apps available.
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06:50<locklace>did you look at tangogps
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06:50<rayarn>ill have a look
06:50<rayarn>thanks
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06:58<shiznatix>I have html/php files (templates) that are named name.phtml. When I try to open them i always get the error saying "the extension says it is a phtml doc but the contents show it is a html doc, you have to right click and select text editor to open this" which is really annoying because I just want to be able to click it and be done. How do I get around this?
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07:06<ml|>dpkg: wb
07:06<dpkg>thanks, ml|. It's good to be back.
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07:07<zxd>hi
07:08<zxd>what is the hold in dpkg --set-selections used for , if I aptitude ignores it when I tell it to run upgrades
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07:08<themill>!hold
07:08<dpkg>rumour has it, hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic) but that aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. Ask me about <why aptitude>.
07:10<zxd>it will respect??
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07:10<zxd>why does it say it will upgrade the package in aptitude full-upgrade
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07:12<jm_>because aptitude has its own setting for this
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07:12<[Crussd2]>hi all
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07:12<zxd>but it says here that aptitude respects " but that aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database."
07:12<zxd>hi gajim
07:12<[Crussd2]>i'm Newbie User on debian
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07:12<[Crussd2]>:)
07:13<zxd>aptitude full-upgrade The following packages will be upgraded:
07:13<zxd> gajim
07:13<zxd>jm_,
07:13<ml|>zxd: read msg from dpkg again
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07:14<jm_>back when this was introduced in aptitude it certainly didn't
07:14<themill>zxd: etch?
07:14<[Crussd2]>i'm using Ubuntu :)
07:14<zxd>"To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'."
07:14<zxd>"aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database."
07:14<ml|>!ubuntu
07:14<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
07:15<melkart>when i do "zsync http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso.zsync" , i get an error "bad status code 302" and then it aborts. what am i doing wrong?
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07:16<jm_>zxd: no point in pasting it here, I believe you - I am just saying that back then aptitude didn't respect it
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07:17<zxd>So it's a new feature in lenny
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07:17<jm_>tried to check changelog but can't see anything related (just searched for hold)
07:18<badeagle>might one say ubuntu is a "perversion" of debian? :P
07:18<ml|>zxd: i had samething happen to me, so i just let it upgrade since I had old version in a deb
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07:33<ml|>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=376802 for hold in aptitude ncurses
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07:36<[Crussd2]>!blankon
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07:38<locklace>!confuse [Crussd2]
07:38<dpkg>Yes, what was my ferret yesterday, [Crussd2]? Breeches of the Dictatorship of Mongolia with extra cream.
07:38<[Crussd2]>:)
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07:46<ml|>and this one is a newer bug ... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=517873
07:47<[Crussd2]>!confuse locklace
07:47<dpkg>No, those was your pants tomorrow, locklace? Lederhosen of the Monarchy of Tahiti with extra crabpaste.
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07:48<shiznatix>I have html/php files (templates) that are named name.phtml. When I try to open them i always get the error saying "the extension says it is a phtml doc but the contents show it is a html doc, you have to right click and select text editor to open this" which is really annoying because I just want to be able to click it and be done. How do I get around this?
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07:49<zfe>folks
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07:51<zxd>is there a how to for setting up encrypted root FS on lenny
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07:54<koollman>zxd: the easiest way is throught the debian installer. but there must be some how to around too.
07:54<koollman>keywords would be dmcrypt lenny
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08:29<aaab>hello people. I have problem with lenny, which I have just installed. during the installation it put in my "sources.list" the line "deb http://volatile.debian.org..." and another one with volatile. I wanted to add the line "deb http://ftp.us.debian ... etc as usual" but apt-get update returns "Malformed line". On the other hand if i comment it out, I can not install many of the packages. Any help?
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08:29<locklace>aaab: paste your sources.list at paste.debian.net
08:31<aaab>locklace: 38474
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08:31<locklace>...
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08:32<aaab>i mean http://paste.debian.net/38474
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08:35<aaab>locklace: so what is wrong about it?
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08:36<locklace>aaab: looks ok to me. paste output of "aptitude update"
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08:36<aaab>locklace: BUT apt get update on this flie gives: malformed line 5 ..
08:37<aaab>pasting
08:37<rocker>I'm using pam_mount to mount the user's home dir via ssh/fuse. The mount inside pam_mount fails silently, but doing it by hand succeeds. Can anyone help ? All config/logs: http://paste.debian.net/38479/
08:37<aaab>38480 = output of aptitude update
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08:38<gsimmons>aaab: Line 5 should have "ftp.us.debian.org", not "ftp.us debian.org".
08:38<jm_>rocker: does it have debug option?
08:38<rocker>j: yes
08:38<aaab>OH - yes sorry ...
08:39<locklace>gsimmons: hehe, good catch
08:39<gsimmons>locklace: It wasn't that obvious. :)
08:40<aaab>thanks, sorry - this is about 4th day i am installing the thing, and really tired
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08:52<rocker>I'm using pam_mount to mount the user's home dir via ssh/fuse. The mount inside pam_mount fails silently, but doing it by hand succeeds. Can anyone help ? All config/logs with debug=1: http://paste.debian.net/38479/
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08:56<jm_>that unfortunatelly doesn't show why it failed, perhaps strace -f would show more
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08:58<fanto666>Why are debconf's settings of level "medium" ? When installing deban, debconf does not ask for its own configuration, because the default level is 'high'... if I _want_ to see all questiont, I should have a change, no?
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08:58<petemc>dpkg-reconfigure debconf
08:58<fanto666>yes, but I can only do this after installation
08:59<fanto666>after some packages are already installed
08:59<petemc>install in expert mode, then
08:59<jm_>you should be able to pass the same via installer IIRC
08:59<fanto666>hmmm, is there other installation mode than just booting "expert" ?
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09:02<fanto666>aha...
09:02<fanto666>the "expert" menu does that, but "expert" from dommand line does not
09:02<fanto666>ho
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09:02<fanto666>it does, but did not ask
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09:03<shiznatix>Hello I am trying to format a USB HD to ntfs with gparted but when I go to "format to->" I can only select ext2, ext3, and linux-swap. How do I get ntfs formatting abilities and does it involve kryptonite?
09:04<jm_>search for ntfs with apt and you'll find it
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09:05<locklace>ntfsprogs contains a mkntfs tool, apparently
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09:09<johnfg>hi folks
09:10<johnfg>I was in X, gdm, and went to a virtual terminal via ctl-alt-F1. Now, how do I get back to X-gdm?
09:10<fanto666>(ctrl-)alt-f7 usually
09:10<johnfg>Can I get back and still have the virtual terminal running?
09:10<fanto666>yes
09:10<johnfg>fanto666: Right! And thanks! It worked!
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09:12<shiznatix>Ok I got the drive to format to ntfs and remounted it with "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usbHD/" but now it says that I don't have the permissions to view the contents of the drive. How to I get to browse and update the drive as a regular user instead of being root the hwole time
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09:13<fanto666>use mount options uid,gid,umask
09:14<fanto666>man mount, ntfs section ;-)
09:14<llutz>for user-access, ntfs-3g would be needed
09:14<jm_>similar to this
09:14<jm_>!tell shiznatix -about vfatrw
09:15<themill>!user accessible ntfs
09:15<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
09:15<jm_>yeah same deal
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09:15<shiznatix>I just installed ntfs-3g and now eveything works perfect. thanks a billion
09:16<themill>jm_: yeah... I though it actually had the entire fstab line :( oh well
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09:17<jm_>themill: not a good idea, then people will use it dorectly and go - now mount says /dev/sda3 is not ntfs!
09:17<themill>hehe
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09:19<rocker>jm_, strace log: http://paste.debian.net/38483/
09:19<fanto666>hmm, I tried installing in expert mode, but it does not seem that debconf priority would be low
09:19<fanto666>I had to dpkg-recofnigure debconf to get that working
09:19<emikaadeo>guys, I'm using xserver from sid so I wanted to restore ctrl+alt+backspace behaviour, I added "DontZap" "false" option to "ServerFlags" in xorg.conf, but it still doesn't work. Any sugestions?
09:20<fanto666>which means all packages until now were installed w/o asking
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09:20<fanto666>emikaadeo the DontZap afaik disables killing via Ctrl-Alt-Bksp
09:21<jm_>emikaadeo: how does the line look like?
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09:21<fanto666>hmmm false...
09:21<ffws>emikaadeo: Option "DontZap" "off"
09:21<emikaadeo>Section "ServerFlags"
09:21<emikaadeo> Option "DontZap" "false"
09:21<emikaadeo>EndSection
09:22<ffws>emikaadeo: what does xorg log say?
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09:24<emikaadeo>ffws: well, i can't see nothing special in xorg.log
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09:25<jm_>might need to set it via xkb
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09:25<jm_>i think that was the latest solution
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09:33<gsimmons>emikaadeo: Try right-alt + print screen + k. It was mentioned in debian-{user,powerpc} recently.
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09:37<rocker>I'm using pam_mount to mount the user's home dir via ssh/fuse. The mount inside pam_mount fails silently, but doing it by hand succeeds. Can anyone help ? All config/logs with debug=1: http://paste.debian.net/38479/ ,strace log: http://paste.debian.net/38483/
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09:38<fx>anybody already installed debian on an poweredge T610?
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09:41<emikaadeo>gsimmons: not workin on my laptop
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09:43<gsimmons>emikaadeo: Try starting X with the -retro option.
09:44<emikaadeo>gsimmons: how to do that?
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09:44<emikaadeo>startx --retro ?
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09:49<fanto666>only one '-'
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09:58*arw hello folks
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09:58<Singh>what's chkconfig alternative?
09:58<Singh>to disable processes to load at boot?
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09:59<dr|z3d>Singh: You could try: aptitude install bum
09:59<dr|z3d>Singh: There's also sysvconf
09:59<Singh>CMF
09:59<Singh>CNF
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09:59<Singh>ok well
09:59<Singh>not sure if they are efficient enough
10:00<Singh>dont want to install many packages on my vps
10:00<Singh>bum has a lot of dependencies :/
10:01<Singh>how about update-rc.d
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10:01<Singh>i guess thats it
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10:10<johnfg>OK, so how do I kill, rather than logout, of a virtual console?
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10:11<Singh><c-d>
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10:12<johnfg>Singh, Doesn't this just logoff? LIke in a regular terminal in X?
10:12<Singh>dunno whats a virtual console
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10:14<johnfg>I'm just learning to use them, so won't be much help, but they are available, at least from my laptop, by doing ctl-alt-F<1-6>, and you get a new virtual console on tty<1-6>.
10:14<johnfg>But maybe they are there all the time, but not 'used' until you login. Is this correct?
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10:33<stefania>join #ubuntu-it
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10:34<AGA>i have ubuntu and windows in my laptop,, can i have debian too ?`
10:35<sylar>can someone help with lvm bug?
10:35<Singh>yes
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10:35<Singh>AGA, yes.
10:35<sylar>http://pastebin.ca/1453602//
10:35<AGA>but can it slow my laptop
10:35<Singh>AGA, if it's only 1 OS running at a time (i.e. no vm) then no
10:35<AGA>ok
10:35<AGA>thanks
10:36<AGA>so how is debain?
10:36<Singh>AGA, but since you already have ubuntu, which is almost debian to some extent, why would you need it )
10:36<Singh>:)
10:36<AGA>i dont know
10:36<Singh>also since I guess this isn't your requirement.
10:36<AGA>i have hear about debian that its a cool SO
10:36<sylar>http://pastebin.ca/1453686
10:36<Singh>i don't know about others, but personally i find ubuntu cool enough for normal usage
10:36<Singh>and I use debian where I want to customize everything myself
10:37<Singh>underneath its the same
10:37<Singh>AGA, haha
10:37<Singh>:)
10:37<AGA>i like linux
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10:37<AGA>i am a begginer
10:37<AGA>but its cool
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10:38<Singh>sure
10:38<Singh>Try out debian for sure too!
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10:40<fanto666>so, when I install debian in expert mode, should debconf ask all questions, at least when configuring itself? Where can I check that?
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10:40<AGA>where can i download debian?!
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10:40<dr|z3d>!fgi download debian
10:40<dpkg>download: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=debian
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10:41<fanto666>fgi :)
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10:41<dr|z3d>!fgi "download +debian"
10:41<dpkg>"download: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=+debian"
10:41<dr|z3d>You get the idea, anyways, AGA.
10:41<sylar>HELP!
10:41<fanto666>sylar are you sinking?
10:42<sylar>!HELP
10:42<sylar>yub
10:42<sylar>yup
10:42<dr|z3d>!lart sylar
10:42*dpkg pushes the wall down onto sylar whilst whistling innocently
10:42<AGA>fuck you
10:42<sylar>:O
10:43<prodepa>who know a good channel for hacker stuff?
10:43<sylar>has anyone done an lvm over two partitions on the same disk?
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10:43<dr|z3d>AGA: Please moderate your language in here.
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10:43<AGA>u too
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10:44<locklace>!u
10:44<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
10:45<AGA>?!?!?!
10:45<Kjetil>¡
10:45<avtobiff>¿
10:45<Ronaldo38741>Is there a way to remove inodes?
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10:45<sylar>.|.
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10:45<AGA>*|*
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10:46<sylar>o\o
10:46<sylar>ovo
10:46<AGA>0||0
10:46<sylar>o.o
10:46<sylar> _
10:46<AGA>|_|
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10:48<AGA>shit why debian is 4.4 GB
10:48<sylar>co.op
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10:48<bja>AGA: because you are downloading the dvd
10:48<AGA>ok
10:48<bja>AGA: there is also a net install cd like 200mb
10:48<sylar>cx.xp
10:49<sylar> u
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10:49<AGA>look complicate
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10:49<AGA>ubuntu is more easy
10:50<bja>AGA: Depends on your perspective
10:50<AGA>yes depends
10:50<themill>sylar: enough on the ascii art, thanks
10:50<bja>AGA: what do you want your computer to do?
10:50<AGA>programming
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10:50<bja>AGA: Then debian is the way
10:50<AGA>i am a physics
10:50<AGA>ubuntu ?
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10:51<AGA>who is better ? ubunu or debian.for programming
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10:52<avtobiff>AGA, programming what?
10:52<sylar>themill, np
10:52<AGA>dont know
10:52<AGA>hacking .... :D
10:52<avtobiff>AGA, hacking what?
10:52<avtobiff>AGA, http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebianForDevelopers
10:52<avtobiff>it is impossible to answer such a general question.
10:52<avtobiff>i'm off to the gym. bye.
10:52<ootput>AGA: Carriage return cannot replace punctuation
10:53<AGA>just programmin
10:53<locklace>Ronaldo38741: man debugfs
10:53<themill>AGA: When you know what you want to do and the tools that it will require, then look at the packages pages for the versions of the specific libraries that you want
10:54<AGA>but i dont see a huge different foem ubuntu and debian
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10:54<themill>dpkg: tell AGA about why debian
10:54<ootput>AGA: join both support channels
10:54<ootput>AGA: you'll get the idea
10:55<rocker>I'm using pam_mount to mount the user's home dir via ssh/fuse. The mount inside pam_mount fails silently, but doing it by hand succeeds. Can anyone help ? All config/logs with debug=1: http://paste.debian.net/38479/ ,strace log: http://paste.debian.net/38483/
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10:56<wooj>ootput, carriage return. Blast to the past.
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10:59<Purple_Stuff>Hey all
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11:01<Purple_Stuff>any one had any success installing bugzilla 3 ?
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11:08*Pitxyoki|loading Olá, pessoas!
11:09<edbian>I have a rather old system
11:10<zobel>!es
11:10<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:10<edbian>(circa 1998) and I newer HDD (2004). For some reason this motherboard will not detect the HDD correctly during post. Assuming both the motherboard and the HDD are functional any ideas?
11:10<edbian>I have heard that sometimes removing the drivers entirely is worth a try
11:11<bja>!pt
11:11<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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11:14<bja>edbian: Make sure the size of the hdd is within the limits of the motherboard hdd controler.
11:15<edbian>bja: That is probably the problem. The HDD that came with this system is a 15GB mine (the one that isn't being detected) is a 40GB. Is there any way to update the HDD controller to use larger HDDs??
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11:16<edbian>BTW I am not using the old 15GB becuase it has errors on it. When I try to boot debian CD I get "...I/O error on logical block XX1...error on logical block XX2... error on logical block XX3, ...XX4... etc etc" Loosely quoted.
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11:17<ootput>quit
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11:17<avu>edbian, the "easiest" thing to do is put another medium (cd, floppy, smaller hd) in too load the kernel from
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11:17<avu>edbian, linux will detect the newer larger hdd even if the BIOS does not
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11:18<edbian>avu: So I can get past the BIOS POST with a smaller empty harddrive as master and the larger (mine) as slave? But the kernel on the slave... Where does grub go?
11:18<Pitxyoki>lol
11:18<Pitxyoki>zobel, that was Portuguese, not Spanish.
11:18<Pitxyoki>And I'm sorry, I only wanted to send that to the Portuguese network I'm at.
11:18<avu>edbian, at least the bootloader has to be on a device the BIOS knows about
11:19<sylar>how do I make a module load at boot?
11:19<avu>edbian, and I think the kernel too as grub does not do its own hdd detection (I might be wrong on that though)
11:19<avu>edbian, the thing I'm sure about is that as soon as the kernel loads, it will detect hdds even if the BIOS didn't
11:19<avu>sylar, /etc/modules
11:20<avu>sylar, only asking in one channel at a time would be more polite, BTW
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11:21<edbian>avu: Thank you! Let me see if I have this straight. Eventually I want a /boot parition (and in grub in the MBR) of the 15GB HDD that has the errors. I want that drive as Master. I then want / and /home paritions on the 40GB drive as slave. I will set the slave drive in bios as "none" instead of auto-detect to get through post. Is this all correct?
11:21<sylar>10x avu , I m just in a hurry
11:21<petern>"thanks" does not sounds like "10x"
11:22<avu>ah
11:22<avu>petern, without you saying that, I wouldn't even have known what he meant
11:22<themill>A strong enough Irish accent would get close!
11:22<edbian>he he he
11:22<petemc>was thinking similar myself
11:22<avu>edbian, sounds about right. using the drive with the errors sounds like a bit of a shaky solution though :)
11:23<edbian>avu: Well it is the only harddrive I have that will allow this system to boot. (bios boot that is). How can I fix the errors? If I wait long enough will debian work through all of the error and boot so that I can run cfdisk or something?
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11:23<bja>edbian: That afaik is motherboard dependent
11:24<avu>edbian, broken hdds can't be fixed
11:24<avu>edbian, if it's broken, it's broken. and in most cases, it'll only get worse over time
11:24<edbian>?? What about those utilities with options like "search for errors and fix them if possible"
11:24<avu>that fixes file system errors
11:24<avu>not hardware errors
11:25<edbian>avu: How can I tell the difference??
11:25<avu>you can mark bad blocks using fsck with badblocks(8)
11:25<avu>but that won't do you much good in most cases
11:25<avu>edbian, check dmesg
11:25<avu>edbian, hardware errors will show up there quite clearly, especially if you try to run fsck on the drive (from a live cd for example)
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11:26<avu>edbian, or use badblocks(8)
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11:26<edbian>avu: The live CD is what gets stuck at the "...error on logical block 126..." junk
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11:27<avu>edbian, sure it's an error regarding the hdd and not the CD? if so, I think many live CDs come with a boot option to not try to touch hdds in the system during startup
11:27<avu>I at least seem to remember the latest grml having such an option
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11:28<edbian>So what I really need here (lol) is a new (old) HDD no larger than 20GB or a new motherboard. Fortunately I have the latest grml freshly burned!
11:28<rocker>How do I make a samba user, authed locally by pam_winbind, belong to local group fuse in order to be able to mount his home ?
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11:28<avu>edbian, sometimes a BIOS update will help too
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11:28<avu>edbian, (the operative being 'sometimes')
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11:29<stuckey>How do I identify the device address for a usb device? I connectec it, and I see usb 8-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6 in the terminal, but how do I know what it is on "/dev"?
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11:29<edbian>avu: It's worth a shot this system cost me $10 so I have little to lose. How do you update bios? I assume you go to their website and grab the latest bios but how do you install it?
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11:29<bja>edbian: Installing instructions should be there also
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11:30<avu>edbian, in many cases, you need a DOS or even a windows systems to do so. some manufacturers have their own bootdisks, some can be installed using linux tools
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11:30<edbian>avu: I really hope I do not need DOS / anything MS
11:30<avu>edbian, if the manufacturer's website only mentions some windows-only method, try googling for the exact product and linux and BIOS update or someothing like that
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11:31<edbian>avu: Thank you for all of your help!
11:31<edbian>I mean uh, "10x" for all of your help!
11:31<avu>heh
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11:31<llutz>edbian: there's freeDOS if oyu need one
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11:32<edbian>freeDOS?
11:32<avu>a free (as in speech and beer) implementation of DOS
11:32<llutz>www.freedos.org
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11:34<edbian>awesome!
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11:36<stuckey>http://paste.debian.net/38505/ <--- This is what I see in Dmesg. It doesn't say the address of the device.
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11:38<themill>stuckey: if you're configuring cups, then use hp-makeuri to get the appropriate address
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11:38<stuckey>themill: I need to configure cups?
11:38<bja>stuckey: have you looked inside cups?
11:38<themill>stuckey: well... what are you hoping to do with the printer?
11:38<stuckey>themill: Print shit
11:38<stuckey>themill: it also has a scanner, so I want to scan shit too
11:38<themill>stuckey: and were you planning to print stuff?
11:39<stuckey>themill: Yes, like documents and what not.
11:39<themill>err.... *how* were you planning to print stuff?
11:39<stuckey>themill: cat file.ps >> /dev/printer
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11:40<stuckey>or cat file.ps > /dev/printer
11:40<bja>stuckey: lpr is nice, it usually takes care of most of those things
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11:41<bja>stuckey: you can even give a little format to your files :)
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11:41<stuckey>themill: didn't find hp-makeuri
11:42<themill>stuckey: do you know what factoid I'm going to get dpkg to hit you with? You've seen it enough times by now that you probably know what it says...
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11:42<edbian>avu: I just had an idea. What if I tell the bios there are no harddrives. Set the 40Gb as master. Boot from a live CD and choose boot from HDD?
11:43<bja>stuckey: hp-ppd
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11:43<themill>stuckey: hplip contains a good set of utilities for working with HP laser printers.
11:43<avu>edbian, could work, might not. one thing that should work is booting the kernel from the live cd with root=/dev/{h,s}d$x
11:44<edbian>{h,s}d$x <- Are any of those things variables??
11:45<edbian>I'm assuming --root=/dev/{h,s}d$x as a kernel option
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11:45<avu>edbian, without the -- and yes, those are place holders
11:45<avu>edbian, use the actual root device
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11:45<avu>edbian, something like /dev/sda2 or /dev/hdc3
11:45<edbian>root=/dev/cdrom0 perhaps?
11:45<avu>edbian, no
11:46<avu>edbian, the whole point is to boot from the harddisk
11:46<bja>edbian: as soon as you can make that line use persisten uuid names
11:46<edbian>sda1 meaning the 40gb drive partition1
11:46<avu>edbian, booting from the cdrom as root fs is default for the live cd obviously
11:47<stuckey>!cups
11:47<dpkg>from memory, cups is the Common UNIX Printing System. CUPS provides a portable printing layer for UNIX-based operating systems and supports the Internet Printing Protocol. To install, ask me about <cups setup>. See also <debug cups>. http://cups.org/articles.php?L+TFAQ http://www.cups.org/
11:47<bja>dpkg: tell stuckey about selftell
11:47<edbian>avu: OIC! So I would need debian (or some linux) installed an that HDD and I boot off of a live CD but immediately point it to the HDD using that kernel option (root=/dev/sdaX)
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11:47<avu>edbian, yes
11:48<edbian>avu: Is that the same thing as ubuntu's "Boot from first Hard Disc" option?
11:48<avu>no idea, I don't use ubuntu
11:48<edbian>ok
11:48<stuckey>bja: Do I need cups at all?
11:48<avu>stuckey, you can use lprng instead
11:48<bja>stuckey: It makes life easier
11:48<edbian>Thanks again guys!
11:48<stuckey>avu: What does cups do? It's just a server?
11:48<patrikf>edbian: that option will do something very similar, yes.
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11:49<avu>stuckey, 'just'?
11:49<edbian>patrikf avu bja Thank you! 10x
11:49<stuckey>avu: I don't understand
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11:49<avu>stuckey, it's the piece of software that knows how to talk to your printer
11:49<stuckey>avu: define "talk to"
11:49<avu>stuckey, are you kidding me?
11:50<stuckey>avu: No I don't understand, I'm serious.
11:50<iobound>hi guys, anyone know why http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/CVE-2009-1882 is marked "fixed in 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1~lenny1" when that version is from march?
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11:50<avu>stuckey, to get your printer to print something, you have to send it data over a wire
11:50<stuckey>avu: Why can't I just use "cat file.ps > /dev/printer"?
11:50<themill>stuckey: haven't we been talking about this postscript printer of yours for about 6 months? And weren't all the websites that we were talking about discussing using drivers with CUPS?
11:50<avu>stuckey, the format that data has to be in for your printer to understand it differs widely from printer to printer
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11:50<stuckey>themill: someone told me I could just use cat
11:51<stuckey>themill: and it's only been 3 months, just 3.
11:51<petemc>you can cat things through lp
11:51<themill>how time flies when you're having fun....
11:51<avu>also, that's useless use of cat
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11:52<themill>Then there's the question of where /usr/bin/lp comes from.... Oh look. cups-client.
11:53<avu>(or lprng)
11:53<avu>(SCNR)
11:53<stuckey>So I just "lp file.ps"?
11:53<bja>stuckey: Why don't you read, "man lp" save yourself some time
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11:53<themill>or "Yet Another Print Spooler" ...
11:54<bja>stuckey: also "man lpr" will give you some hints.
11:54<stuckey>lp: Error - no default destination available.
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11:54<avu>well, you might have to configure cups! :)
11:54<avu>(or, again, lprng)
11:54<bja>!lart stuckey
11:54*dpkg chops stuckey in half with a free Solaris 7 CD
11:54<stuckey>how do I do that?
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11:55<avu>!tell stuckey about cups
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11:55<stuckey>avu: I saw that...
11:55<themill>stuckey: go to http://localhost:631/
11:55<avu>so, why do you ask?
11:55<themill>(if it's cups)
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11:55<stuckey>themill: cool
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11:56<avu>which reminds me, I think I haven't told anybody how much I hate CUPS today, I'll go next door to do that right now.
11:56<stuckey>but hey, if I wanted to, could I not just "cat file.ps > /dev/printer"?
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11:56<petemc>i <3 cups
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11:57<avu>petemc, as long as it works it might be fine but as soon as you have to debug problems, I hate it so very much
11:57<petemc>aye, ive heard that
11:57<petemc>but for me the webui means i can let the peons fix minor problems with the printers without bothering me
11:57<avu>it's so hard to make it report anything useful
11:57<edbian>hahaha peons
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11:58<stuckey>themill: what do I put in for device in cups?
11:58<avu>I especially love the cases where on the cups side, everything says "ok, all is peachy, I have printed that job, go rejoice" and the printer just does nothing.
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11:58<themill>stuckey: remember that recent conversation about hp-makeuri?
11:58<stuckey>themill: not really
11:58<avu>heh
11:58<ert34>someone here had tried asus eee pc with system encryption?
11:58<petemc>i have a hylafax server throwing tens of thousands of faxes a day into cups printers, works great
11:59<stuckey>themill: I use it to make an address???
11:59<themill>tias
11:59<avu>petemc, yeah, haven't had it happen once it was working either, it's just with problems in the initial setup
12:00<avu>stuckey, you might want to think about turning on the logging feature of your IRC client :)
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12:01<stuckey>themill: why do I need this hp-makeuri?
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12:09<stuckey>themill: I'm doing hp-makeuri 03f0:4e17 but it says "error: Device not found
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12:10<themill>you perhaps want to read the documentation a little more carefully
12:10<stuckey>themill: why do I need this program? what does it do?
12:10<themill>[16:38] <themill> stuckey: if you're configuring cups, then use hp-makeuri to get the appropriate address
12:11<themill>[16:58] <stuckey> themill: what do I put in for device in cups?
12:11<themill>Let's (a) turn on logging for #debian and (b) work on our memory skills.
12:11<stuckey>themill: oh, sorry, I already printed a test page with cups. I just picked something out of a list
12:11<ffws>why not using hp-setup?
12:12<stuckey>themill: so does that mean I'm done settings it up? How do I print something now?
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12:15<jovig>Can IceCat and IceWeasel be installed on the same system?
12:16<stuckey>So I'm trying to scan something with "hp-scan -n" but it says: error: No scanning devices found.
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12:16<bja>stuckey: man lp, man lpr, firefox http://localhost:631/help
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12:16<bja>stuckey: do you have a scanner
12:16<bja>?
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12:17<stuckey>bja: Yes, it's a multi-function :)
12:17<stuckey>bja: there's a command "hp-scan" but it doesn't work
12:18<bja>stuckey: do you have the right ppd to print?
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12:18<stuckey>bja: what's the difference between lp and lpr?
12:18<stuckey>bja: what's the right ppd?
12:18<stuckey>bja: I went through that cups thing and it printed a test page which looks good
12:18<bja>stuckey: read the man pages, basically the options you have
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12:19<stuckey>bja: but lp doesn't scan it only prints? right?
12:19<bja>right
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12:20<stuckey>bja: okay I think it worked...
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12:21<stuckey>bja: okay priting works
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12:21<stuckey>bja: but hp-scan still says no scanning devices found
12:22<ffws>stuckey: which hplip version?
12:23<stuckey>ffws: how do I find the version?
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12:24<ffws>stuckey: apt-cache policy for example
12:24<stuckey> Installed: 2.8.6.b-4
12:25<bja>stuckey: I can't stay, take a look here and please read, it won't hurt you "http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialScanners.html"
12:25<stuckey>bja: thanks
12:26<ffws>stuckey: quite old ;)
12:26<stuckey>ffws: lenny
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12:27<ffws>I would suggest to install the testing version, there was a lot of development
12:27<stuckey>ffws: so there's something wrong with this version, such that it isn't able to scan?
12:27<ffws>testing version of hplip is 3.9.4b
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12:28<ffws>stuckey: don't know if something is wrong with stable version, its just old
12:28<stuckey>ffws: Isn't everything in Lenny old?
12:29<ffws>stuckey: you said that ;)
12:29<themill>It would be better to establish whether it worked OK with the lenny version before faffing around with backports
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12:30<jovig>My boat is old, but it can spank a new Catalina.
12:30<rajesh>hi
12:30<rajesh>everybody
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12:31<stuckey>themill: how do I establish this?
12:31<themill>reading documentation and trying it with the correct parameters
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12:31<ffws>a lot of problems got solved with new hplip versions
12:32<stuckey>themill: already did that... there isn't much documentation with hp-scan
12:32<ffws>stuckey: what device do you have?
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12:32<stuckey>ffws: hpcm1312
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12:32<themill>stuckey: what device URI did you give it?
12:33<stuckey>themill: How do I determine this?
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12:33<themill>stuckey: you passed the device URI to hp-scan
12:33<stuckey>themill: it doesn't say that you need do that
12:34<ffws>the device is propably newer then teh hplip version...
12:34<stuckey>themill: wait... maybe it does
12:34<themill>when it fails to automatically find it, that would be the next thing to try
12:34<jovig>Did you search this site: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html
12:34<themill>ffws: possibly. But it's not worth upgrading until you *know* that to be the case either from documentation or actually trying it correctly
12:35<stuckey>themill: http://paste.debian.net/38519/
12:36<themill>stuckey: that's not the format for the device URI
12:36<stuckey>themill: what did I do wrong?
12:36<ffws>as I said, there was much development in hplip, I have a quite new multi function device from HP as well, and everything is working out of the box with hplip version from testing
12:36<themill>stuckey: just as for hp-makeuri, you need to actually read the documentation
12:37-!-mode/#debian [+l 440] by debhelper
12:37<ffws>but I know, we are talking about stable here so ignore me ;)
12:37<stuckey>themill: maybe I'm not understaind it...
12:37<stuckey>ffws: why do the packages in stable have to be so old?
12:37<themill>there was probably a very good reason they weren't updated in lenny
12:37<stuckey>themill: I did what the example said...
12:38<themill>ffws: as I said, reading documentation is a good idea. http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/color_laserjet/hp_color_laserjet_cm1312_mfp.html
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12:38<ffws>themill: reading the documentation is always a good idea
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12:39<stuckey> Installed: 2.8.6.b-4 <--- is too old?
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12:40<themill>It would seem so, based on that documentation. (Although that documentation also implies that you currently cannot print, which is not true)
12:40<stuckey>themill: but I don't need a driver to print, do I?
12:40<matth>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image
12:40*themill gives up
12:40<locklace>!beer themill
12:40*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for themill
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12:43<tk_>:O
12:43<tk_>some1 here?
12:43<stuckey>Yes
12:43<themill>BTW the 3.9.x series of hplip was released after lenny was released. 2.8.x was current up until then. (strange version numbering)
12:43<tk_>nice programm works
12:43<tk_>:p
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12:44<stuckey>themill: so I backport hplip?
12:44<tk_>can u tell me how i can make my own channel?^^
12:44<stuckey>tk_: just /j #channelname
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12:44<tk_>ah ty
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12:44<zxd>is it possible to change the encryption key passphrase later , after using cryptsetup to set up an encrypted device?
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12:44<stuckey>themill: Should I get it from sid?
12:45<cwood>Good afternoon. Is it possible with Exim to apply an ACL to the mail queue?
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12:45<ffws>stuckey: hplip version of sid and testing are the same atm
12:46<uhriventis>Hey guys, just got Debian installed and having two problems. Stuck at 800x600 resolution and can't get my wireless card to pick up networks. Any ideas? The card is a NVIDIA GeForce 6150 LE and the card is a Cisco Linsys WMP110
12:46<ffws>!nvidia
12:46<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
12:46<tk_>u have installed
12:46<tk_>ndiswrapper
12:46<tk_>?
12:47<uhriventis>Don't think so
12:47<uhriventis>Should I apt-get it?
12:47<cahoot>uhriventis: don't
12:47<tk_>y would do it
12:47<ml|>dpkg: tell uhriventis about wifi
12:47<cahoot>not until you've seen what linux offers in itself
12:48<stuckey>ffws: so I have to go chasing down all of the dependencies or is there an easier way to do this?
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12:48<cahoot>tk_: you know for sure that wifi device needs ndis?
12:48<ffws>stuckey: apt is doing taht for you
12:48<tk_>no but i know
12:49<tk_>that he can install his
12:49<tk_>wlan drivers
12:49<tk_>afterwards
12:49<stuckey>ffws: not if I'm backporting it...
12:49<tk_>and than his router works like windoff
12:49<stuckey>ffws: or does it do it and I just haven't figured out how yet?
12:49<ml|>dpkg: tell uhriventis about what's my wireless
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12:50<ml|>dpkg: tell uhriventis about wlan howto
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12:53<uhriventis>Look's like my card isn't supported. Weird though, Ubuntu picked it up and as did SUSE.
12:53<uhriventis>Hmm
12:53<tk_>some1 know if i can use the eee pc 904 touchscreen 4 the eee pc 900a
12:53<tk_>?
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12:54<ffws>stuckey: there is a lot of good debian documentation
12:55<ml|>uhriventis: maybe because they are using a newer kernel
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12:55<cahoot>uhriventis: its pciid is a good starting point for figuring out what extra support you might need
12:55<stuckey>ffws: Yes, I've seen many good documents.
12:56<stuckey>ffws: okay I insatlled 3.9.4
12:56<stuckey>ffws: pdf output is still experimental?
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12:57<uhriventis>Whats pciid
12:58<ml|>dpkg: tell uhriventis about pciid
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12:59<stuckey>themill: I installed newer version; 3.9.4b
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12:59<uhriventis>Network controller: RaLink Device 0701 Would this be the wireless?
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13:00<uhriventis>FireWire (IEEE 1394): Agere Systems FW323 (rev 70)
13:00<uhriventis>That's the other
13:00<uhriventis>Than of course the regular wired connection
13:01<cahoot>the ralink seems like a good suspect
13:01<ml|>yeah
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13:02<uhriventis>Why does it not say linksys? Anyway what do I do from here?
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13:02<ml|>linksys is mfg ralink is the chip
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13:03<uhriventis>Ahhhh
13:03<uhriventis>Got you
13:03<stuckey>themill: so what do I do now?
13:04<herard>daniel por favor necesito su ayuda
13:04<cahoot>stuckey: really - redo the steps you took with the other hplip
13:04<stuckey>cahoot: still doesn't work
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13:04<ffws>stuckey: did you run hp-setup?
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13:05<ml|>!es
13:05<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:05<locklace>herard: this channel hasn't gotten any more spanish since the last time you were here
13:05<ml|>:O
13:05<stuckey>ffws: hp-setup: cannot connect to X server :0.0
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13:05<guillaume>hello I have a strange problem with my wlan0 link. When I start my laptop, the link is up but show as down as wpa doesn't work properly (wifi managed by ifplugd+wpa_supplicant+iwlwifi3945 rev2). When I want to shut down my wifi card, the console require a wpa_cli wlan0 stop command or ifdown --force wlan0. After that, if I do ifup wlan0, all is OK and the link is up.... I test suspend and resume function but don't meet this problem... Ho
13:05<guillaume>w can I see what's going wrong ?
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13:06<bungamaya>alow
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13:13<stuckey>ffws: I ran the hp-setup and now I get this: http://paste.debian.net/38523/
13:13<stuckey>ffws: It wants me to accept some sort of license to install a "plugin"... ?
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13:15<bronsa>dns.org
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13:16<stuckey>themill: Do I need to run "hp-setup"?
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13:18<uhriventis>I installed the windows drivers for my card and wifi-radar but, when I open wifi radar it pops up for like a nano second and disappears.
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13:19<uhriventis>maybe resart
13:19<AzaTht>I'm still awaiting help on http://osdir.com/ml/debian-bugs-dist/2009-05/msg04706.html
13:19<AzaTht>if anyone is über intelligent, I would like some help getting the right direction
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13:20<torocatala>uhms, hi
13:20<stuckey>Does anyone here know how to use an hp printer with debian?
13:20<stuckey>To scan/print?
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13:20<torocatala>I have a problem, my debian server can't ping anything, even localhost, anything answer the ping
13:21<AzaTht>torocatala: check iptables
13:21<AzaTht>i.e. iptables-save
13:21<AzaTht>!iptables
13:21<dpkg>it has been said that iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450
13:21<ml|>stuckey: did you check debian wiki and/or forums
13:21<torocatala>AzaTht, i flush iptables iptables -F and iptanles -t nat -F
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13:22<AzaTht>torocatala: need to handle the filter as well
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13:23<tzafrir_laptop>I'm trying to sign packages from an existing unsigned "autogenerated" repository
13:24<tzafrir_laptop>if I use debsign to sign the .changes file, the .dsc file is unsigned, for which reprepro complains
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13:24<tzafrir_laptop>if I just sign the .dsc file, the checksum in the .changes file no longer matches
13:25<rocker>Why is this not working ? The uid option makes the call to mount fail when in pam_mount, but doing mount.fuse sshfs., etc, manually, works. Offending code: <volume user="root" invert="1" fstype="fuse" path="sshfs#%(USER)@192.168.1.254:" mountpoint="/home/%(USER)" ssh="1" options="uid=%(USERUID),reconnect,nonempty,allow_other"/>
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13:25<tzafrir_laptop>and again I fail to include the file in my reprepro repo
13:25<tzafrir_laptop>(debsign and reprepro from Lenny)
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13:28<woshfdwo>if my system stops booting at the line "device-mapper..." what could that mean? device mapper is what looks for my volumes correct?
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13:31<stuckey>ml|: when I do "sane-find-scanner" it says no scanners found.
13:31<torocatala>i think i foun the problem i have the default policy for input DROP
13:31<torocatala>I'm gonna try ti put in accept
13:32<ml|>stuckey: no clue
13:32<stuckey>shit
13:32<stuckey>Anyone know how to get a scanner to work?
13:32<bja>torocatala: iptables -F will get rid of everything
13:33<torocatala>bja but no change the default policy
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13:33<torocatala>i need to change whit -P, i think
13:33<ml|>bja: try that out?
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13:34<bja>ml|: Got a few times into troubles because of "new iptables rules"
13:34<locklace>woshfdwo: were you able to boot from the rescue cd and mount the volumes manually
13:34<bja>torocatala: yes you need iptables -t tables -P ACCEPT
13:35<bja>torocatala: tables should be INPUT and OUTPUT
13:35<woshfdwo>locklace: no. i dont have a rescue cd.
13:35<bja>torocatala: forget about forward no need yet
13:35<ml|>bja: oh, should had being clear i meant zshrc
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13:36<bja>ml|: yeap the colors feel strange, so everything back to b&w
13:36<locklace>woshfdwo: consider this a valuable lesson then
13:36<ml|>woshfdwo: you can use any live cd
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13:36<ml|>bja: hah
13:37<woshfdwo>not sure what the lesson is, but ok
13:37<ml|>bja: but how about command sharing?
13:37<woshfdwo>ml|: not all livecds have encryption support
13:37<ml|>oh you are using that
13:38<bja>ml|: Didn't try that yet
13:38<ml|>meant generally
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13:38<woshfdwo>locklace: unfortunately this lesson conflicts with another one i learned about having system files replaced with hacked ones. otherwise i would just leave the root fs unencrypted
13:39<bja>woshfdwo: man tripwire
13:39<woshfdwo>bja: indeed
13:39<locklace>woshfdwo: the lesson is (a) always have a rescue cd, and (b) if you're doing fucked-up stuff with your root filesystem like lvm/raid/encryption, ALWAYS have a rescue cd
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13:39<torocatala>i fixed it
13:39<locklace>woshfdwo: http://grml.org/
13:39<torocatala>thx!
13:39<torocatala>bye
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13:39<woshfdwo>locklace: i just got the iso. in a vm it runs REALLY REALLY slow though
13:39<ml|>grml is nice
13:39<woshfdwo>maybe it would work better for real
13:40<woshfdwo>what do i do once i boot into grml?
13:40<bja>woshfdwo: black magic?
13:40<woshfdwo>will i have more options to fix the problem, or just backup my data then reinstall?
13:40<woshfdwo>....
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13:41<ml|>backup nayways
13:41<ml|>*anyways
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13:42<locklace>woshfdwo: problem is that the fault is occurring inside your initramfs boot so debugging it is a right pain in the arse
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13:43<woshfdwo>i think i know what it was
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13:44<woshfdwo>i remember installing something just before this happened and it was generating new initramfs "thing" (entries)
13:44<woshfdwo>then on the next reboot this happened
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13:44<woshfdwo>is 'history' stored in a text file anywhere? i cant remember what i was installing
13:44<stuckey>locklace: do you know how to print/scan with an hp printer in debian?
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13:45<ml|> /var/log/aptitude if using aptitude
13:45<woshfdwo>ok
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13:45<edbian>On ubuntu 9.04 switching virtual desktops (with compiz) only the windows slide (not the background or the gnome-panels, etc etc). Is this becuase of a newer version of compiz or is compiz configuered differently on ubuntu? How can I get this effect on debian?
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13:48<dr|z3d>edbian: Configure compiz according to your preferences. You may need to download additional plugin sets.
13:48<ml|>problably the configuration, but newer version can't hurt
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13:49<deniz>why does iceweasel sometimes just reset every single open window instead of asking me if i want that or to just open a brand new single window?
13:49<deniz>(lenny)
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13:49<dr|z3d>deniz: Try TabMixPlus, perhaps. Sounds like it's the answer to your irks.
13:49<woshfdwo>brb. thanks for pointing out where the problem was taking place locklace
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13:50<edbian>dr|z3d: Well I run debian stable. Maybe I'll go to compiz website and get the newest version. Question. If get the newest version and dpkg -i it. then it will not be upgraded automatically by my package manager. Eventually the version in the repo will again be newer than the version I have downloaded. Will it automatically "absorb" the old package and start updating again?
13:50<edbian>Also does debian stable not upgrade any (except for security updates) software until a new debian stable is out (i.e. 6.0) ??
13:51<ml|>edbian: tried backports.org?
13:51<edbian>ml|: I have not
13:51<deniz>dr|z3d, no my problem is that, lets say i restart comp by force and then reboot like sometimes or always or im not sure of the pattern but instead of asking me to either start a new window or restore every other window with each tab it opens the previous windows with tabs BY FORCE giving me no option
13:51<ml|>dpkg: tell edbian about bpo
13:51<edbian>I can't work on it right now (unfortunately) I'm at "work"
13:52<ml|>just read the :)
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13:52<ml|>*then
13:52<stuckey>Anyone here have hp printer?
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13:52<edbian>thanks everybody!
13:52<bja>stuckey: working perfectly over ipp
13:53<stuckey>bja: how'd you do it?
13:53<stuckey>bja: what's ipp?
13:53<edbian>I'll first try configuring. then i'll try backports, then I'll try downloading a .deb from the website (and configuring it)
13:53<edbian>Thanks again!
13:53<bja>stuckey: installed cups, looked for the ppd for the printer and forgot about it like 6 months ago
13:53<ml|>sounds good gl
13:54<bja>stuckey: installed it via http://localhost:631
13:54<stuckey>bja: so how do you print something now? For example you've ~/textfile.txt and you want to print it; what do you do?
13:54<stuckey>bja: I also did this, but I don't know how to print something now
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13:54<stuckey>bja: also, I don't know how to use the scanner
13:54<ml|>that's how i installed my brother printer
13:54<stuckey>bja: I know the scanner works since I can use it to copy stuff
13:55<bja>stuckey: did you read the howto i posted earlier
13:55<bja>?
13:55<stuckey>bja: which how to?
13:55<bja>stuckey: thought so
13:55<bja>stuckey: back track , all your answers are up there
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13:57<stuckey>bja: my device is usb, not scsi
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13:57<bja>stuckey: keep on reading and use your imagination. The sky is the limit
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13:58<stuckey>bja: says no scsi scanners found
13:58<sanket>Hi all
13:58<vvas>hi, has anyone else noticed problems with the latest ghostscript in unstable?
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13:59<sanket>I had this idea about creating and maintaining partial repositories for personal distributions.
14:00<sanket>I think it would be great if we may automate the task of maintaining repositories, like getting dependencies, fetching, mirroring etc via an appropriate apt-get wrapper
14:01<sanket>nebdy interested in giving suggestions ?
14:01<bja>stuckey: If you need to have every single step supervised by someone, hire him/her
14:01<stuckey>bja: I don't understand
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14:01<Br4z3r>Hi all I have a problem with my Atheros AR5008 Wireless Network Adapter I updated my kernel to 2.6.29-2-686 and installed ath5k , ath9k but still no result I can't make it work
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14:03<stuckey>bja: okay so I do lp -d hpcm1312 phrasalverbs.pdf for example, to print?
14:04<stuckey>bja: then I just see request id is hpcm1312-3 (1 file(s))
14:04<stuckey>but no printing
14:04<bja>stuckey: pdf files need a different process use evince to print them
14:04<stuckey>bja: ah, okay i'll convert it to ps
14:04<seanius>edbian: i compiled some compiz packages backported to lenny if you're interested
14:04<vvas>ah, so the answer to my question is yes
14:05<vvas>stuckey: are you having problems printing? did they occur after a recent upgrade?
14:06<seanius>vvas: stuckey: i don't know if it's relevant but ghostscript is broken in unstable as of last night / this morning, but should hopefully be fixed soon
14:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 446] by debhelper
14:07<edbian>seanius: IF the packages are in the backport repo aren't they already compilied?
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14:07<stuckey>vvas: I just got the printer; dont' know how to set it up to print
14:07<vvas>seanius: indeed that's what i noticed today; is there a bug number i can track?
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14:07<stuckey>vvas: I guess I need to get a .ps file first, and then use "lp -d destination file.ps"?
14:07<seanius>edbian: IF the packages are in the backport repo i didn't compile those ones :)
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14:07<vvas>seanius: otherwise i was inclined to reopen #519412
14:07<stuckey>vvas: I can print test pages from cups though
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14:08<seanius>vvas: i just did an update/upgrade right now and it looks like there's an updated package already. unfortunately the printer is at the office so i can't test :)
14:08<edbian>seanius: How many different compiz packages are there? core, config, plugins, extras What else is there?
14:08<vvas>stuckey: hm, weird
14:08<seanius>vvas: but this is the bug that i found: #532392
14:08<stuckey>vvas: How do you print? with "lp"?
14:08<vvas>stuckey: have you checked the logs in /var/log/cups for anything that might look relevant?
14:09<stuckey>vvas: first, tell me how to print
14:09<stuckey>vvas: it may be that I'm not doing it right
14:09<vvas>seanius: ah, i see. give me a sec.
14:10<vvas>stuckey: the way you have described above with "lp" is correct, yes
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14:10<seanius>edbian: a lot. what backports are you looking at? i don't see them on bpo
14:10<stuckey>vvas: and what for input files are allowed? Just .ps?
14:10<vvas>stuckey: possibly more, but certainly .ps is the safest to try
14:10<bja>stuckey: did you download rutebook?
14:11*seanius considers connecting the vpn and sending a print job to pick up tomorrow
14:11<edbian>seanius: I was just going off the top of my head from what is in the main repo. What do all of these extra packages add to compiz? I am interested in them but I can't dowload them now (to this computer) because I am at "work"
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14:11<stuckey>bja: what's rutebook?
14:11*vvas is installing the new version...
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14:12<stuckey>vvas: okay I just did: stuckey@debian:~$ lp -d hpcm1312 test.ps
14:12<stuckey>request id is hpcm1312-4 (1 file(s))
14:12<stuckey>vvas: and I'm getting nothing from the printer; it's just sitting there
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14:12<bja>stuckey: forget it, you are a lost cause :(
14:13<vvas>stuckey: so i would suggest looking at the logs like i mentioned above
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14:14<stuckey>vvas: http://paste.debian.net/38529/
14:14<vvas>seanius: just tried, the latest version from unstable fixed it, thanks
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14:14<vvas>seanius: heh, i'm surprised my mirror picked up the package so quickly
14:14<seanius>vvas: \o/
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14:15<seanius>edbian: you probably want at a minimum compiz-gtk and compiz-plugins (which should hopefully bring in the rest via dependencies), but if you don't know "apt-get install compiz" should give a decent default set of the packages
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14:15<vvas>stuckey: so there you go, there seems to be some problem with the filter that converts the printjob to the format your printer understands
14:16<vvas>stuckey: but i'd have no idea what that is or how to fix it :^/
14:16<vvas>stuckey: are you running unstable?
14:16<stuckey>vvas: umm... problem. My printer understands postscript; so why are we converting this file to start with?
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14:18<vvas>stuckey: well, from what i can gather, foomatic-rip is simply a generic wrapper filter, it will not actually convert if it's not necessary
14:19<stuckey>vvas: can we try just "cat file.ps >> printer"?
14:20<bja>stuckey: it won't work
14:20<vvas>stuckey: i haven't the slightest idea how you would bypass the cups machinery and send the data directly to the printer
14:20<vvas>stuckey: again, which version of debian are you running?
14:21<stuckey>vvas: lenny, with newer version of hplip
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14:21<stuckey>bja: why not? I swear someone on here told me that would. That's why I bought a postscript compatible printer.
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14:21<vvas>stuckey: and just to make sure, what's the version of the ghostscript package?
14:22<bja>stuckey: if you bought that printer because of that, and you didn't check how does unix print, you are a fool
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14:22<stuckey> Installed: 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny1
14:22<vvas>ok that should be fine
14:22<stuckey>bja: I did check
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14:22<stuckey>bja: I'm no fool
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14:23<bja>stuckey: prove me otherwise and i'll eat my hat
14:23<jrabbit>bja: Cannon provides linux drivers.
14:23<stuckey>bja: How could I prove it?
14:23<bja>my point
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14:23<bja>jrabbit: I don't know, what i know is that they provide apple ones, which also use cups
14:23<ml|>bja: eat your hat anyways ;)
14:24<ffws>stuckey: did you run hp-setup?
14:24<bja>jrabbit: There is a way to mount the install cd to extract them
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14:25<stuckey>bja: Prove: (P->Q)&(R->S)<->((~P&~R)v(~P&S))v((Q&S)v(Q&S))
14:26<stuckey>ffws: Yeah but it wanted me to agree to some sort of license... so I canceled it.
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14:26<bja>stuckey: does ~ means negation
14:26<ml|>;
14:26<ml|>;O
14:26<stuckey>bja: Yes, you can read it as "it is not the case that"
14:27<ffws>stuckey: and your still asking why your printer does not work? ;)
14:27<ml|>lol
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14:27<emikaadeo>what command should i use to properly generate scancodes for using with HAL and *.fdi files ?
14:27<stuckey>bja: If you can do that using only the primitative rules of logic I won't think you're a fool...
14:27<bja>stuckey: Yet you haven't prove me wrong yet
14:27<vvas>stuckey: sounds like that might have something to do with it
14:28<stuckey>ffws: but wait, I thought this was open-source software...
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14:28<stuckey>bja: I'm trying...
14:29<ffws>stuckey: and what licence were you asked to agree?
14:29<ml|>it seems stuckey does not like anything that's not open
14:29<vvas>"A small subset of HP devices require proprietary software technologies to allow full access to printer features and performance. These technologies cannot be open sourced. Because of this, HP is releasing binary plug-ins for each of these printers that work in conjunction with our Linux Open Source Printing Software to improve the printing experience for HP¢s Linux Printing Customers. These binary plug-ins require the user to read and agree to
14:29<stuckey>ffws: I posted you a link to it...
14:30<bja>what stuckey doesn't like is anything that is not math :)
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14:30<stuckey>ffws: but what vvas said pretty much sums it up
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14:30<stuckey>ffws: some sort of fucking "plugin"
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14:31<ml|>stuckey: if you want a working printer just accept that, just a suggestion
14:32<dkr>that's only if you print via their protocol, you should still be able to use regular old port 515 or directly to the device if connected locally for printing postscript if you don't really need all the fancy features like collating options
14:32<stuckey>dkr: I want some open-source
14:32<stuckey>dkr: How do I print without their stupid plugin? (Note that I printed a test page from CUPS)
14:32<bja>stuckey: how do you read your pdf docs?
14:32<stuckey>dkr: and can I scan also. This is a multi-function device.
14:32<stuckey>bja: xpdfview
14:33<bja>stuckey: does it have a print button?
14:33<woshfdwo>back. i just remembered what it was i was installing befor this happened. i was trying to install new splash themes. i installed usplash or splashy (cant remember the exact name off hand) and i installed a couple of debs i got off of xfce-look.org. on the next reboot is when this happened. when locklace mentioned initramfs i remembered that when dpkg was installing the deb was taking a while to generate something to do with i
14:33<woshfdwo>nitramfs.
14:33<dkr>stuckey: just ocnfigure it in cups as generic postscript printer
14:33<vvas>stuckey: i would imagine that you can change the driver and still be able to print
14:33<dkr>I don't know anything about scanning feature though
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14:34<vvas>stuckey: what dkr said, or perhaps something like the pxlcolor driver (PCL6)
14:34<woshfdwo>does that make any sense?
14:34<stuckey>bja: still doesn't work
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14:34<stuckey>dkr: okay I'll try that
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14:35<vvas>stuckey: i doubt scanning will work with anything other than hplip though
14:35<uhriventis>Okay I got the right drivers installed but, how do I see what port my card is in?
14:35<uhriventis>Because it's saying the card isn't plugged in basically
14:35<bja>stuckey: type "lpq -a"
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14:36<stuckey>dkr: how do I do this in cups? I see where it says "device" but I don't have an option for generic postscript
14:37<woshfdwo>stucky: sorry what are you trying to do. i might have had this problem before
14:37<woshfdwo>scan or print?
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14:37<stuckey>woshfdwo: scanning
14:37<stuckey>woshfdwo: printing works, more or less
14:38<stuckey>bja: no entries
14:38<woshfdwo>brb
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14:38<prova>Deep
14:38<vvas>stuckey: you choose the device as before, but on the next page you choose "generic" for make
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14:39<bja>stuckey: "lpq"
14:39<bja>first line should be your default printer
14:39<stuckey>bja: lpq: error - no default destination available.
14:39<stuckey>vvas: cool, worked
14:40<stuckey>vvas: now how do I test printing?
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14:40<bja>stuckey: aha so you haven yet configured your printer
14:40<vvas>stuckey: then on the next page for model you choose PS / PCL6 / PCL5c as you prefer
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14:40<vvas>stuckey: the same way as before
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14:40<stuckey>vvas: only gave two options "generic postscript" or text-only
14:41<vvas>oh, i see (i get more here)
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14:41<stuckey>vvas: So how do I test printing?
14:41<woshfdwo>ok. if i get my encrypted drive unlocked and mounted, could i then uninstall usplash somehow?
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14:42<vvas>stuckey: well, generic postscript then
14:42<woshfdwo>i mean could i then run my system as though i had booted into it instead of using the livecd?
14:42<ffws>stuckey: cups testpage?
14:42<xente>does anyone here know much about traffic shaping?
14:42<vvas>stuckey: as before, i'd try the cups testpage, and then a .ps file from the command line
14:42<stuckey>ffws: works perfectly
14:42<stuckey>ffws: and very quickly too :)
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14:43<vvas>stuckey: by the way, you might get more generic options if you install the cups-driver-gutenprint package
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14:43<ffws>stuckey: good luck with your scan device
14:45<stuckey>ffws: thanks
14:45<stuckey>vvas: you were right, I have lots of options now... which one do I choose?
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14:46<Guest1402>hi
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14:46<xente>anyone?
14:47<vvas>stuckey: i would try either the pcl6 or the postscript one, whichever of the two works should be fine
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14:47<stuckey>vvas: okay good, test page works. So now how do I print something else?
14:47<stuckey>Like a .pdf or .ps file?
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14:48<vvas>as before, lp -d printername file.ps
14:48<jthomas>is there (yet) an easy way to remaster Debian installations into a live/install CD?
14:48<cahoot>http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/
14:49<stuckey>vvas: hey cool I think it's working now...
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14:49<jthomas>cahoot I've seen that but other than the links to the prebuilt images, I cannot figure out where the remaster instructions are
14:49<stuckey>vvas: Works, thanks :)
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14:50<cahoot>http://live.debian.net/manual/html/ ?
14:50<vvas>stuckey: cool :^) you're welcome
14:50<stuckey>Now if I can just get the scanner to work...
14:50<stuckey>vvas: And anyway, what does this cups system do?
14:50<jthomas>"How can I convert an already installed standard Debian partition into a Debian Live system?" A: Save the list of installed packages and load it into your new Debian Live System. Copy your /etc to config/chroot_local-includes << that isn't moving to a live system at all
14:50<stuckey>vvas: It seems more like something you'd use when you're networking printers...
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14:51<jthomas>cahoot I've looked into much of that in the past as well; it says how to build a new system, but never gets into package selection, adding repos, customizing /etc/skel/ for .kde etc
14:52<jthomas>last I had heard about live-helper they we're looking to have to convert the system to a live cd "but it is still experimental"
14:53<cahoot>well I managed to build a working live-usb from that
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14:54<panthera>you can do lh_config --clone; but if your existing system is big, it might make your computer beeing busy for a long while..
14:54<vvas>stuckey: it's an integrated printing system; it handles local and remote printers, sharing printers, spooling/queueing, running the drivers / conversion filters, etc.
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14:54<panthera>also, there are currently no safetybelts, like checking for required free space or omit any mounted network shares..
14:54<panthera>apart from that, it's fine.
14:55<stuckey>vvas: okay
14:55<vvas>stuckey: it's pretty much the standard printing system in the GNU/Linux world these days
14:55<stuckey>vvas: So do you know how I might get this scanner to work now?
14:55<jthomas>does lh_config --clone create a livecd ISO ? with installer ?
14:55<vvas>stuckey: yes
14:55<xente>does anyone know about traffic shaping?
14:56<vvas>stuckey: by switching to hplip again and using the binary-only component that's probably needed for your equipment :-p
14:56<stuckey>vvas: Surely there is another way
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14:56<vvas>stuckey: if there is one, i know not of it
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14:57<vvas>stuckey: i guess you might also be able to scan into a memory card if it supports that...
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14:57<stuckey>vvas: No memory card slot, but it has USB
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14:58<tzafrir_laptop>doh. the sources file has a :<EPOCH> in the name as it is in a pool . thus debsign failed to find the .dsc file
14:58<vvas>no idea then
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14:58<ffws>stuckey: write your own open source driver for your scan device
14:58<vvas>anyway, time to go
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14:59<tzafrir_laptop>I wonder if this could be called a missing feature of debsign
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14:59<stuckey>ffws: How do I get started with this? What all will I need?
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15:00<ffws>stuckey: talk to xsane people...
15:01<stuckey>ffws: I supposed if I accepted the plugin license I could awlays uninstall later...
15:01<stuckey>ffws: After I installed the plugin, how would scanning work? hp-scan?
15:01<ml|>#sane at irc.freenode.net
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15:02<ffws>stuckey: hp-scan works here, xsane works, webscan
15:02<stuckey>ffws: You have closed-source plugin?
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15:03<ffws>stuckey: I cannot remember - possible as I need my device working and don't have time to play around with other might-be solutions
15:04<stuckey>I wonder when we'll have an open-source nvidia driver that suports xv and graphic acceleration...
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15:05<stuckey>ffws: Okay I accepted the license, now I've got error: Unable to locate device hpaio:/usb/HP_Color_LaserJet_CM1312_MFP?serial=00CNB8872H1M using SANE backend hpaio:. Please check HPLIP installation. when I give "hp-scan".
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15:06<woshfdwo>...can i use chroot to uninstall a package that is causing a conflict on a system i cant boot into using a livecd?
15:06<ffws>stuckey: start hp-toolbox and read console output whats missing
15:07<stuckey>ffws: says device communication error
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15:09<stuckey>ffws: tried using usb device id manually and that also fails
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15:11<themill>usb device id or usb bus id? You were trying the usb device id earlier whereas the docs say to use the usb bus id
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15:12<stuckey>themill: it wants device id
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15:14<ffws>stuckey: did you configure your device with hp-setup?
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15:14<themill>stuckey: if you say so
15:14<stuckey>ffws: Yes, I did that.
15:14<stuckey>ffws: Even accepted the license.
15:15<ert34>which thing I can use to have flash over the DFSG?
15:15<ffws>stuckey: and you chose USB and search?
15:16<themill>ert34: /msg dpkg flash
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15:16<stuckey>ffws: Yes, says "no devices found" but it shows the printer on the left hand side
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15:19<stuckey>ffws: do I need to run hpt-toolbox as root?
15:19<ffws>stuckey: no, just hp-setup
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15:23<stuckey>ffws: okay so what do I try now?
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15:23<ert34>If I use flashplugin-nonfree my system won't be stable?
15:23<ert34>lol
15:23<stuckey>ert34: nope
15:24<ml|>no
15:24<stuckey>ert34: You'll be poised by closed-source software
15:24<AxxxA>poised or poisoned?
15:24<stuckey>haha oops, I'm getting tired
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15:24<ert34>Oh man.
15:24<ert34>lool
15:24<stuckey>poisoned*
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15:24<ml|>ffws: do you use cups? or just the hp thing for printing
15:25<ert34>Then If I want see videos on youtube with an stable debian what way I have?
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15:25<stuckey>ert34: "clive"
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15:25<ml|>dpkg: tell ert34 about flash
15:25<stuckey>ert34: You just install it, then copy the youtube link, and do "clive youtubelink"
15:25<ffws>ml|: hp thing configures cups
15:25<ffws>ml|: so I use cups for printing and xsane for scanning
15:26<ml|>ah, was thinking maybe that was the problem stuckey was having guess not
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15:27<ml|>dpkg: tell ert34 about adobe flash
15:27<ffws>and hp-toolbox starts xsane as well, hp-scan scans directly to the shell
15:27<ml|>dpkg: tell ert34 about dmm
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15:28<ml|>ffws: to the shell?
15:28<ffws>ok, to your home folder ;)
15:28<ml|>hehe
15:29<ffws>I ment no gui, no confguration, just plain scan
15:29<ml|>showing in a terminal?
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15:31<stuckey>ml|: hp thing configures cups????
15:32<ml|>stuckey: that is what ffws said
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15:32<stuckey>ml|: shit, I liked the way I had cups configured
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15:33<ffws>stuckey: as it did not found your device it should have done nothing..
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15:34<stuckey>ffws: it changed it
15:34<stuckey>ffws: it was all different
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15:35<ert34>clive don't uses a middle server to do it? does it?
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15:35<knoppix_>someone speak spanish?
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15:35<ml|>stuckey: in the future buy products that are opensource supported, so you can aviod this
15:36<ml|>!es
15:36<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:36<ert34>ml|, what would be your life without the bots, ah?
15:36<ml|>ert34: read msg's from dpkg
15:36<stuckey>ml|: I thought I was...
15:36<ert34>these
15:37<stuckey>ml|: It's a postscript printer. It doesn't get much more open than that... does it?
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15:37<stuckey>ml|: and I thought hp had good opensource support
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15:37<ml|>well your scanner is not working is it?
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15:37<stuckey>ert34: no it goes direct
15:37*ert34 already had read.
15:37<ert34>ok
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15:38<ml|>ert34: dpkg makes things better for all of us, i see no need to retype samething over and over ;)
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15:38<ffws>I needed <1min to get my L7680 working for scan, print and fax
15:39<ert34>hehe
15:39<stuckey>Anyone have any ideas as to how I can get my hpcm1312 scanner working?
15:40<stuckey>It shows up in lsusb but not in the hp-toolbox
15:40<stuckey>I've used the scanner to copy documents
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15:42<chealer>ert34: only your browsers' stability would be affected. it would be affected significantly, not necessarily enough to call it unstable
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15:43<ert34>the wiki tells it different
15:43<ml|>ert34: link plz
15:43<ert34>http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
15:44<ert34> Be warned : The resulting system can't be considered plain "stable" anymore.
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15:44<chealer>ert34: the quotes means that's the jargon "stable", the current Debian release
15:44<themill>ert34: you're installing things from outside the debian archive, that's all that means.
15:45<ml|>yeah just read that, what chealer and themill said :)
15:45<jovig>What is Gnash version up to now?
15:46<stuckey>No one knows how I can get my scanner working?
15:46<ert34>gnash is the lamest thing that I ever seen
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15:46<chealer>stuckey: just ask your question
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15:47<chealer>dpkg: info gnash
15:47<jovig>Needs work, for certain, I rather like the concept and other stuff,
15:47<dpkg>gnash: (free SWF movie player), section video, is optional. Version: 0.8.5-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 282 kB, Installed size: 1104 kB
15:47<stuckey>I have an HPCM1312 Multi-function; printing works with lp now but I don't know how to get scanning working. The hp-scan doesn't work, and the scanner doesn't show up in hp-toolbox; the scanner doesn't show up in sane-find-scanner.
15:47<ml|>chealer: when and if judd will be back?
15:47<johns>ert34: what's lame is adobe not releasing flash as actual free software ;) The effort to independently replace their player for debian and other distros is pretty impressive.
15:48<stuckey>chealer: gnash actually works pretty good
15:48<stuckey>But it causes conkeror to crash sometimes
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15:48<chealer>ml|: I don't know, just noticed it was not here. stew would know better
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15:48<chealer>stuckey: I didn't write the opposite (though I do think it)
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15:49<chealer>jovig: did dpkg answer your question?
15:49<ml|>ah, ok weasel had kicked it and band it to i think
15:49<jovig>chealer: Yes it did, thank you
15:50<stew>yes, judd is currently banned from here
15:50<ml|>stew: won't be back?
15:50<stew>ml|: not up to me
15:50<ml|>oh ok
15:51<ml|>well hope it comes back
15:51<ml|>i find it usefull
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15:51<chealer>stuckey: I assume you mean an HP CM1312?
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15:52<stuckey>chealer: Yes
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15:52<stuckey>chealer: You know how I can get the scanner to work?
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15:53<chealer>stuckey: it is connected via USB, right?
15:53<stuckey>chealer: Yep
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15:53<chealer>stuckey: does Debian detect the USB device?
15:54<stuckey>lsusb shows it
15:54<@Ganneff>stew: judd still has no good realname :)
15:54<ml|>ah judd :)
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15:55<ml|>weasel: thanks
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15:58<stuckey>chealer: Lsusb shows it
15:58<chealer>stuckey: does SANE support it?
15:59<stuckey>chealer: nope
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16:00<jovig>I have a dongle here that is USB to PS2 and visa versa.
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16:00<Filipok>hi all.
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16:04<cparra>kki
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16:04<chealer>stuckey: did you run sane-find-scanner as root?
16:04<cparra>hola
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16:05<stuckey>chealer: Yes
16:05<stuckey>chealer: Wait...
16:05<ml|>!es
16:05<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:06<stuckey>chealer: Shit, didn't work, but I've a new error message: scanimage: open of device hpaio:/usb/HP_Color_LaserJet_CM1312_MFP?serial=00CNB8872H1M failed: Error during device I/O
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16:08<chealer>stuckey: OK, so that's a good progress, but I don't know that issue
16:09<stuckey>shit
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16:09<stuckey>I'm asking in #sane
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16:12<locklace>so what you're saying is that you're now in #sane
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16:12<ml|>hehe
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16:13<Sark>hi, i have here a arabic text file but this text file have the text from right-to-left and i need this from left-to-right. have linux there a tool to convert this?
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16:15<ml|>a good text editor should be able to do that
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16:21<jthomas>does any one know, does " lh_config --clone " create a livecd ISO ? with installer ?
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16:24<fcs>!de
16:24<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
16:25<valdyn>Sark: or you can use "rev"
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16:27<themill>just make sure it handles multi-byte characters properly!
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16:30<stuckey>themill: I have a new error: scanimage: open of device hpaio:/usb/HP_Color_LaserJet_CM1312_MFP?serial=00CNB8872H1M failed: Error during device I/O
16:31<stuckey>themill: do you know how I might can fix this?
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16:35<themill>stuckey: no idea. But it's not an uncommon error: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=scanimage+%22Error+during+device+I%2FO%22 which will provide you with plenty of reading
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16:47<guillaume>stuckey: you have hplib ? and wich version ? it' recommended to use last version from hp website
16:47<stuckey>guillaume: built it out of sid
16:48<stuckey> Installed: 3.9.4b-1
16:48<stuckey>You mean hplip right?
16:48<guillaume>I use hplib with an hp deskjet F4280 and it work well with sane
16:49<stuckey>This is a cm1312, and it doesn't show up in hp-toolbox
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17:01<woshfdwo>hey. i was doing a default install and the system froze at 'select and install software' can i restart and pick up where it left off?
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17:02<guillaume>stuckey: yes hplip. http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/color_laserjet/hp_color_laserjet_cm1312_mfp.html#note3 verify if all requirements are ok
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17:03<ml|>woshfdwo: i think it would be best to start over
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17:04<themill>stuckey: have you looked at the output of hp-check?
17:04<stuckey>themill: says 3 errors
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17:05<stuckey>themill: says missing library for pdf, and for graphical something,
17:06<stuckey>themill: says sane backed is properly set up
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17:06<chealer>woshfdwo: no
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17:08<stuckey>themill: says it needs libcupsys-dev in the hp tutorial but apt doesn't find it
17:09<themill>that's should only be for compiling it
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17:18<stuckey>themill: Where should I go from here?
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17:46<atlems>Last week(s) my Debian Testing has started acting really slow in the GUI. And I am having problems viewing even flash videos on websites, something which has worked smoothly before, even in fullscreen. Got a 945gm graphics card and using the i810 driver.. Please help..?
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17:48<jackyf>atlems: were X or video drivers updated last week?
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17:48<atlems>jackyf: I'm not quite sure
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17:52<jackyf>atlems: basically, you can file a bug against your X video driver, but you will need to check (consider dpkg logs (/var/log/dpkg)) and report also what important package were updated (kernel, X, video driver) and see what maintainer respond.
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18:25<edbian>is it possible to PXE boot a computer with no harddrive?
18:26<kfe>yes
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18:27<edbian>kfe: Thanks! I already found a how-to :)
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18:27<kfe>edbian: have fun -)
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18:32<dma>hello
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18:39<Lothain>I'm having a problem with the Nvidia Linux driver for a Geforce 7600GS; X won't load whenever I run nvidia-xconfig to have X load the driver; any suggestions on how to go about fixing that?
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18:41<ml|>did you do as root and save the settings?
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18:41<Lothain>I did it as root, but am not aware of how to save the settings; I assumed they were "save" as X was using the config file nvidia-xconfig generated
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18:42<Lothain>I can put the Xorg.log file on pastebin if you'd like to see what exactly it's saying
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18:43<ml|>after settings things how you like you need to save them in nvidia-xconfig, but make a backup of your current /etc/X11/xorg.conf
18:44<jrabbit>is there an isseu with the svn in testing?
18:44<ml|>then start X as normal user
18:44<Lothain>I believe that's what I've been doing; nvidia-xconfig automatically retwrites xorg.conf and makes a backup. My X log is here: http://pastebin.com/d30955629
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18:46<ml|>that's not your xorg.conf file
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18:46<Lothain>No; it's the X log; I will post the "Device" section of my xorg.conf before and after running nvidia xconfig
18:47<eljefe> I cannot SSH into a computer after an update this morning, I get the error 'ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host' How can I fix this? I don't have an /etc/hosts.allow nor /etc/hosts.deny (Sid)
18:48<eljefe>:( ssh was stooped, sorry
18:48<Lothain>ml|: http://pastebin.com/m1e16d810
18:48<ml|>look in nvidia-xconfig for .... Save to X Configuration File and do that that should work
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18:50<jrabbit>anyone know about svn beign broken in testing?
18:50<Lothain>ml| I'm looking for that in nvidia-xconfig --help but can't seem to find the option, although I believe it is saving it to the X config. file
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18:51<ml|>jrabbit: maybe check bts
18:52<jrabbit>got a link? I'm not too accustomed to debians bug system
18:52<sylar>how can I find the source of an error message in syslog?
18:52<ml|>dpkg: tell jrabbit about bts
18:53<jrabbit>Thanks :P
18:53<ml|>Lothain: here is my xorg.conf ... http://pastebin.com/f39ad6986
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18:54<ml|>Lothain: what debian version?
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18:55<Lothain>ml| : Lenny. I'm checking your xorg.conf vs. mine; should I post the entire file?
18:56<ml|>Lothain: oops use nvidia-settings for the above got my names mixed up sorry
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18:56<jrabbit>Oh my god safari is sucking
18:56<xiq>which server is this_
18:56<jrabbit>:|
18:56<ml|>safari?
18:56<xiq>oh no mz kezboard is screwed again...
18:57<ml|>Lothain: in X
18:58<Lothain>ml|: Which X version or... ? My xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/d1e8c0acd
18:58<ml|>Lothain: lets start over since i gave you wrong info ...
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18:59<ml|>you ran nvidia-xconfig correct?
19:00<Lothain>ml|: Yes, generating the xorg.conf I posted above; however with that config file I am unable to load X; when it fails to load it generates a log file, the relevant portions of which I linked to, above
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19:00<Lothain>ml|: do I have to modprobe a certain nvidia kernel module or something?
19:00<ml|>ok restart X as normal user and the run su -c nvidia-settings
19:02<ml|>Lothain: did you install the nvidia driver the debian way [from the wiki]?
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19:02<jrabbit>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=531338
19:03<jrabbit>For fucks sake
19:03<jrabbit>why is this still broke n
19:03<ml|>Lothain: and select the settings appropriate for the monitor and Save to X Configuration File
19:03<Lothain>ml|: Not to my knowledge; I downloaded the pacakge from the Nvidia website and used apt-get to fill dependencies. Do you have a link to the wiki page?
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19:03<jrabbit>it's been over a week
19:03<jrabbit><_<
19:03<ml|>dpkg: tell Lothain about nvidia
19:04<ml|>Lothain: undo what you did before with nvidia stuff, if you follow the wiki
19:04<ml|>*decide
19:04<interbird>!nvidia
19:04<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
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19:05<Lothain>ml|: I'll go check out that Wiki and see if that helps. Sorry to have taken up your time mate,and thankyou for the link
19:05<ml|>np come back if you need help
19:05<Lothain>will do
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19:06<ml|>jrabbit: sometimes it takes longer
19:07<ml|>interbird: did you fix your ntp issue?
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19:09<interbird>ml|: nope tried all i know; learned to live with it for the time being; have to get new energy to tackle it; new energy is on it's way :-)
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19:09<ml|>hehe i think i found somethig for you to try let find it
19:09<interbird>don't make me curious...
19:11<interbird>i think i like it this way; make me younger :-)
19:12<interbird>ok, what did you find i shoukd try ?
19:12<interbird>hehe
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19:13<ml|>lol
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19:14<interbird>when somebody says to me: "time is of the essence", i reply: "sure, i've got a head start..."
19:14<ml|>i was looking for something else and saw this ... http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/2358/synchronize-both-your-system-clock-and-hardware-clock-and-calculateadjust-time-drift might be worth a shot, don't think it can hurt
19:15*interbird is checking...
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19:16<greg>dasei - still same
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19:16<ml|>interbird: look thru these ... http://stackoverflow.com/search?q=ntp
19:17<ml|>if the above does not work ofcurse
19:17<interbird>ml|: it's cool, but in essence it's the same i do already; this is a command to sync; my little probbie is i don't want to manually sync; looking at your next link...
19:17<ml|>ok
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19:18<interbird>ml|: my time-servers are ok, i can sync; problem is the sync at boot; still thank you for the links !
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19:19<interbird>I discovered it also has it's advantages... I get home earlier from work ! :-)
19:19<ml|>true forgot the boot problem
19:19<interbird>like summertime
19:19<ml|>lol
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19:22<ml|>interbird: don't know how you can do this, but maybe if ntp starts after wifi is up it will work
19:22<ml|>or add whatever you use now to .xsession or in your de
19:23<ml|>at start up of X
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19:26<bja>interbird: I'm not much into your problem but have you tried putting your sincro script on anacron it should wait till your system is up and running
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19:27<interbird>ml|: Good one, but ntp is at S50 on my box and network-manager is S26, so S26 should be started before S50 starts, and that still is no reason why ntp would not sync; clever problem-solving though !tp is S50 and network-manager is S26
19:28<interbird>s#!.*##
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19:28<bja>interbird: that doesn't mean that network is up and running before S50 is runned
19:28<bja>interbird: your script should check for the wifi to be up an running
19:29<bja>interbird: if [ grep wlan0 `ifconfig`] do you r sync
19:29<interbird>bja: i know, but ntp is a deamon that's syncs time once it is running, so the moment it get's started does not realy matter; my problem is that once ntp runs it does not sync
19:30<bja>interbird: ok
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19:31<ml|>yes it's a deamon, but don't you run a command now manually?
19:33<bja>interbird: No messages on syslog?
19:33<interbird>yes, i run /etc/init.d/ntp restart and then it syncs; looks almost like it uses a cache timezone from when no inet is present and keeps on using that even after inet comes up; also, mint and ubuntu are derivatives of debian and i have not this problem with them; still comparing...
19:34<interbird>bja: of course, but nothing is going wrong; i mean, no execptions or coredumps, so syslog is not of much help
19:34<themill>network-manager being started and the interface being brought up are two different things
19:35<ml|>interbird: i'm just suggesting you automated what works for you, until you figured out the problem or magically fixes it self ;)
19:35<interbird>themill: yes, that's what i said; please read back a few lines...
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19:37<interbird>ml|: it depends; sometimes debian heals itself within a certain time-frame, sometimes i have to fix something and sometimes i just live with it because i grow to like it :-)
19:37<themill>Perhaps pastebin your /etc/ntp.conf?
19:37<locklace>this is still going on? jesus
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19:39<bja>locklace: any recommended book on prolog?
19:39<interbird>locklace: yes, sorry; and also for last time; there was no intent from me to insult you; my excuses
19:39<locklace>i don't use prolog
19:40<bja>locklace: anyway thx
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19:40<ml|>interbird: sry i brought it up
19:40<bja>interbird: from the man page of ntpd "In some cases it may not be practical for ntpd to run continuously. A common workaround has been to run the ntpdate program from a cron job at designated times."
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19:41<bja>interbird: Since it is a laptop, guess that should fix it :)
19:41<interbird>ml|: glad you did; channel came to live :-)
19:41<ml|>hah
19:41<bja>!beer ml|
19:41*dpkg deftly decants a fine Yuengling Lager for ml|
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19:42<ml|>bja: thanks hehe
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19:43<interbird>bja: i know all that; but i don't want work-arounds or strange cron-solutions; it worked on etch and it works on ubuntu and mint; i want to know what causes it on lenny on my sys
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19:45<bja>interbird: ok, got the message, lots of forensics ahead then. Good luck
19:46<interbird>yeah, interesting stuff; also, it's kinda nice to have a system running in the future :-)
19:46<ml|>maybe check if there is a bug
19:46<ml|>heh
19:46<bja>interbird: it usually gives a lot of trouble, but then again.
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19:47<interbird>maybe it's not a bug but the only true time :-)
19:47<ml|>lol
19:49<interbird>there is something about debian and sunday's; don't how it goes, but it must have something to do with it :-)
19:49<interbird>!sunday
19:49<dpkg>Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
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19:49<ml|>:O
19:49<interbird>that's not the one i was looking for dpkg
19:50<bja>interbird: check locale, wild guess
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19:50<interbird>bja: i think i like it like this; i think my other systems are wrong
19:50<interbird>bug solved
19:51<bja>interbird: you left me speechless
19:51<ml|>lol
19:51<interbird>not typeless i hope ?
19:51<bja>he he
19:51<ml|>heh
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19:53<interbird>but there is this nice thing about debian and sunday's, any of the old gard know which one i mean ?
19:54<interbird>it has the "on a clear day" core...
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20:02<interbird>just like a song you want to remember but can't because you look for it i now remember because i did not look; every day in debian is a sunday, so who cares about time ? :)
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20:04<bja>wrong line sorry
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20:25<paggas>hi, i'd like to ask, does the nvidia proprietary graphics driver that is packaged in non-free support cuda? thanks!
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20:44<macguy>i, have you idea if exist a tool to create a custom live cd frm my system ?
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20:44<macguy>i tried to install remastersys but u get ;: http://paste.debian.net/38560/
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21:46<wombatz>I have an acer aspire 55700z with lenny installed. It randomly crashes. I think it is related to the wireless drivers...how I can I diagnose this problem
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21:48<wombatz>lenny never locks up when I'm using the ethernet, only the wifi
21:48<abrotman>which wifi driver?
21:49<wombatz>Atheros
21:50<abrotman>using madwifi or ath5k ?
21:50<wombatz>ath5k
21:51<abrotman>there is a .29 kernel in backports.org
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21:52<wombatz>that should help?
21:52<abrotman>it might .. i don't have madwifi hardware, couldn't honestly tell you
21:53<abrotman>did you check your syslog and messages in /var/log/
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21:54<wombatz>I'll give it a shot
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22:40<mike>anyone runng full install of kde 4,,?
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22:40<mike>I have installed minimal..
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23:30<krazykit>how odd. installing xorg-xserver-7.4+2 works on a machine that previously had X, but hangs on the one that i'm only now installing X on (sid)
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23:41<Computer_Man>Can some one help me with getting my Dell GX260 to allow custom desktop effects?
23:41<Zviper>how do i do something like kill all hung processes?
23:41<woshfdwo>Zviper: ps aux
23:42<woshfdwo>find the process # and then 'kill -9' it
23:42<woshfdwo>or killall <process> if you know the name of it
23:42<Zviper>there's something in my system that's making the load abnormally high
23:43<Zviper>but nothing is above ~2% cpu usage and ram usage is at around 300mb out of 4gb
23:43<Computer_Man>Zviper are you running conky?
23:43<Zviper>no
23:44<Zviper>the proc is a quad core, i have no idea why it's doing this
23:44<Computer_Man>can you get in to you the system monitor?
23:45<Zviper>i only use ssh really
23:45<woshfdwo>can i edit my repos to testing just so i can install a newer kernel version then edit them back to stable and continue using stable with the new kernel?
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23:50<Zviper>what is the tty group used for?
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23:56<kenyon>woshfdwo: I think you want to use pinning or backports to do that. Otherwise I think apt will try to downgrade you.
23:57<woshfdwo>i just want a newer kernel but i dont want to have to compile it myself. guess it's backports
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23:58<kenyon>woshfdwo: /msg dpkg about it
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23:59<woshfdwo>so what is testing called now?
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