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01:13<me0w>hello, can anyone tell me what repository will allow me to upgrade to the latest Gnome stable?
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01:25<NewbyUser>Hi, how can i get ibgtk1.2-common or libgtk1 in debian ?
01:25<NewbyUser>./epsxe: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
01:25<NewbyUser>I need libgtk-1.2 but I can't seem to get it with apt-get ;( ?
01:25<NewbyUser>any help?
01:26<wooj>NewbyUser, um, sudo apt-get install libgtk1.2
01:27<NewbyUser>Package libgtk1.2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
01:27<NewbyUser>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
01:27<NewbyUser>is only available from another source
01:27<NewbyUser>E: Package libgtk1.2 has no installation candidate
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01:27<NewbyUser>sorry
01:27<NewbyUser>E: Package libgtk1.2 has no installation candidate
01:27<wooj>Odd, I have it.
01:27<NewbyUser>and other ctud
01:27<wooj>though it looks like I manually installed it.
01:27<NewbyUser>okay when can I get installed manually from?
01:28<wooj>I dont know, i probably googled it.
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01:48<gasull>Hi. While installing Debian stable it complained about iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode. I was done with the installation without it, but now wifi doesnt work. How do I get this file from the repositories? Thank you
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01:52<gsimmons>dpkg: tell gasull -about iwlwifi
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02:03<Daemon_Wolfe>i have a strange question to ask..
02:04<Daemon_Wolfe>if anyone is here :D
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02:04<blast_hardcheese>Daemon_Wolfe: Just wash it thoroughly with soap and water. Apply baby powder if necessary.
02:05<Daemon_Wolfe>LMFAO oh harsh, funny but still harsh
02:06<blast_hardcheese>Try using three quarts of milk instead of four?
02:06<Daemon_Wolfe>no it is more along the lines of a firewall
02:06<blast_hardcheese>oh.
02:06<Daemon_Wolfe>sorry?
02:06<blast_hardcheese>I accept your apology; I'll get over it soon enough.
02:07<Daemon_Wolfe>ty lol
02:08<Daemon_Wolfe>if firestarter is reporting blocked attempts dealing with DCOM-scm or MICROSOFT-ds do i really need to run a firewall?
02:08<Daemon_Wolfe>or is that normal?
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02:29<slipshot>anyone know anything about game controlers? as how to make them work?
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02:54<Supaplex>slipshot: modconf perhaps
02:54<Supaplex>!modconf
02:54<dpkg>modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will update /etc/modules, or fix drivers/net no-view bug with http://bugs.debian.org/358855, or note: already loaded modules will not be automatically added to /etc/modules
02:56<slipshot>ok thanks
02:56<slipshot>ill look at it
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03:22<dieMasjien>hey guys! Does debian server have a built in application which gives me the ability to set default group policies to my desktop clients?
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03:25<dieMasjien>hey guys! Does debian server have a built in application which gives me the ability to set default group policies to my desktop clients?
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03:33<kenyon>dieMasjien: what do you mean by "debian server"?
03:34<dieMasjien>well i mean the actual debian server OS
03:34<weasel>kenyon: psst. he needs to repeat it at least once more before we can even begin to ask what he means.
03:34<dieMasjien>hahaha
03:34<dieMasjien>hahaha
03:34<dieMasjien>well i mean the actual debian server OS :)
03:35<kenyon>you mean ubuntu server?
03:35<kenyon>there is no debian server OS
03:35<weasel>I'm more interested in what dieMasjien thinks that 'group policies' are
03:36<kenyon>that too
03:36<kenyon>and desktop clients... heh
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03:36<dieMasjien>to rephrase the question then. WE have a server at our office with about 10 workstations. WE would like to create group or user policies (like MS active directory) so that our desktops are forced to only do specific tasks (force bg, hide C drive ect)
03:36<weasel>no such thing.
03:36<weasel>also, no C drive.
03:37<kenyon>I don't think Debian can help you with Windows settings like that
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03:37<dieMasjien>ah
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03:58<weasel>oh, windows clients? not sure what samba 4 can do these days. they are pretty crazy
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04:02<San>hi 2 all
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04:04<San>is anybody here who can help me a little for how can i change my crt monitor Hertz number? :$
04:06*weasel wonders if xrand does that these days
04:07<weasel>(or grandr as it were)
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04:43<aaab>Hi people I have just installed lenny, and the Iceweasel behaves not as he used to do. One thing is amazing. when I type just one letter at the line where i usually type http://etc.. it gives a prompt
04:43<aaab>which turns out to be a site which I have visited BEFORE installing lenny. I thought that cache cookies and all these was cleaned,
04:43<aaab>anyway it is a new version of iceweasel. the question is: where are these things stored in my machine? how can I clean up this?
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04:45<Nemoder>aaab: ~/.firefox/
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04:47<aaab>nemoder: i have only ~.mozilla/firefox is that what you mean?
04:47<Nemoder>ah yes that's where it is in lenny
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04:49<aaab>nemoder: fine. So you mean the visied sites are collected in some file there?
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04:50<Nemoder>aaab: yes, somewhere in the profile directory not sure which file
04:50<ml|>aaab: try clearing private data first
04:50<aaab>ml| - i have set the iceweasel to clean ALL automatically at each close
04:50<aaab>asking me before - and I say yes always
04:51<ml|>that should get rid you history
04:52<aaab>ml| history is empty
04:52<aaab>I would not have asked if it were this simple
04:53<aaab>nemoder: I can try to find it by hand; btw the profile directory does not exist
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04:53<ml|>make a new profile and see if it happens with that new one too
04:54<aaab>ml| actually I never made any "profile" what is this anyway??
04:54<Nemoder>it creates a default profile in your user dir when it is run
04:55<ml|>that's what keeps your info your might be damaged some how
04:55<Nemoder>you might try mozilla's support network to get more info, all I know is it only saves settings in that dir
04:56<ml|>close iceweasel and launch it this way ... firefox -ProfileManager <--- to manage profiles and to create a new profile [useful for debugging]
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04:59<aaab>ml| - just 1 second - but what about this history which is still ther but not visible? where is it stred?
05:00<aaab>stored
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05:01<caraconan>Hi, bluetooth issue: I can send from pc to movile, but from movile I don't see the pc. More info: http://pastebin.com/m316df69d. Any help? Thanks
05:02<caraconan>I have Debian squeeze + fluxbox (not Gnome)
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05:02<ml|>aaab: don't know, with a new profile your old one will not be touched
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05:03<aaab>ml| ok thanks for the help
05:05<Nemoder>aaab: it also pulls URLs from your bookmarks so even if history is cleared it can use those
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05:05<ml|>if new profile does not have this problem then you know the cause, then close icweasel again start with old profile save your bookmarks import then to new profile and rm old one
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05:06<aaab>nemoder: oh this is quite possible, since the site in question IS in my bookmarks
05:06<ml|>Nemoder: yeah forgot about that
05:07<aaab>1 sec - I will check the whole list of prompts
05:07<ml|>aaab: try the profile thing you will know for sure
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05:16<aaab>ml| turns out that I have one profile called "default"
05:17<ml|>right default
05:19<aaab>ok so you suggest to create another one and delete the "default" right?
05:19<ml|>i have defualt, plus an empty one for debugging
05:19<ml|>don't delete
05:19<aaab>oh Ok
05:19<ml|>just create a new and see if it happens with new
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05:22<aaab>ml| no this does not happen: if i do "firefox --Profilemanager and open the new one, there are no pr except the mozilla's helpspts
05:22<aaab>no prompts
05:24<ml|>ok make a backup of your bookmarks and import them to new profile and see if it happens then
05:24<muro>ITA - salve, ho un problema con le partizioni (ext3), qualcuno può aiutarmi?
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05:24<aaab>ml| trying
05:25<ml|>muro what language is that?
05:25<muro>ITA = italian
05:26<ml|>ok try ....
05:26<ml|>!it
05:26<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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05:26<muro>very tnk - i'm new of chan...
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05:26<ml|>np, and duh lissed yiur join
05:27<ml|>*missed
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05:31<aaab>ml| - yes this is the case! thanks a lot. I understand now that the prompts come from Bkmks (and from history). Actually I would like to get rid of them. is it possible?
05:31<aaab>(get rid of prompts i mean)
05:31<Nemoder>aaab: google for 'disable awesome bar'
05:31<ml|>aaab: problably, but i don't know how
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05:32<ml|>Nemoder: isn't that a new feature of 3.0?
05:32<Nemoder>is that not in lenny?
05:33<ml|>yes just asking in general
05:33<Nemoder>oh, ya i think it is
05:34<aaab>i have iceweasel 3.0.6-1
05:34<ml|>aaab: you might want to keep the new profile for debugging purposes without bookmarks or addons
05:35<aaab>ml| yes i guess so.
05:35<aaab>so you mean the "awesome bar" is a firefox3 feature inherited by the Iceweasel 3, right?
05:35<ml|>mine is named jhjhjh.no-plugins and normal one jlkmkl.default
05:35<Nemoder>yes
05:36<ml|>dpkg: tell aaab about iceweasel
05:36<ml|>dpkg: tell aaab about why iceweasel
05:36<ml|>incase you didn't know
05:36<aaab>ml| "mine is named jhjhjh.no-plugins" -- sorry mine WHAT is named so??
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05:37<ml|>aaab: you can give it a name with profile manager, that way you know what's going on
05:37<ml|>you are using etc
05:37<aaab>ml| oh this is a great idea - actually I can play with the new profile and "about:config" and even if i get all crashed, the default profile will not suffer, right?
05:37<ml|>right, just don't mix them up ;)
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05:38<aaab>ok, great, I guess i m fine now
05:38<ml|>backing defualt would ne a good idea
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05:39<aaab>that s true - you mean bkmkx and "about:config" i guess
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05:39<ml|>in about:config there's problably a setting for awsome bar
05:40<ml|>aaab: huh?
05:40<aaab>that is what google says
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05:40<ml|>sry you lost me
05:40<aaab>I meant when you say "backing default" you mean to backup the default profile
05:40<aaab>right?
05:41<ml|>yes
05:41<ml|>incase you mess up
05:41<aaab>so backing for me means: "bkmkx and "about:config"
05:41<aaab>or did you mean some other backing up tool?
05:42<ml|>right before messing with it, everytime would be great
05:42<Nemoder>just copy the profile directory to another folder
05:42<aaab>nemoder: OK
05:42<ml|>aaab: i mean just cp -a default to /whatever/dir/
05:42<aaab>ok, got it
05:43<ml|>Nemoder: thanks for the help
05:43<Nemoder>no problem, and now i'm going to bed. good luck
05:43<aaab>ml| Nemoder, thanx a lot, it is all much clearer now
05:43<ml|>np gn Nemoder
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05:45<milton>Hello, can I ask for help here? - There no one answering in the help channel.
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05:46<ootput>!ask
05:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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05:48<milton>Sounds great! :)
05:48<milton>I've just installed Debian, I did it with the small live CD (40 MB) though and now I don't know what I've missed, what I need to get and what I need to configure. This is need as in, what I need to have a Debian worth it's reputation.
05:49<cahoot>you've got it
05:49<ml|>dpkg: tell milton about install guide
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05:49<cahoot>milton: the rest is on 'as needed' basis
05:50<ml|>you got a working system, you install whatever app you want to use etc
05:51<ml|>milton: new to linux?
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05:53<milton>Yes I'm kinda new to linux (and dvorak), I don't even know how to whisper on IRC.
05:54<ml|>dpkg: tell milton about grounding
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05:54<ml|>milton: read msg from dpkg for more info
05:54<Kjevlum>Hi guys, I'm trying to install wireless drivers and I'm having some trouble. Is there anyone here who could spare a minute to answer a couple of questions?
05:55<locklace>!tell Kjevlum about ask
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05:55<cahoot>bare spør
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05:57<Kjevlum>fair enough.. ;) I've got a Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG card which has driver specifically for linux. When I download it I get a uCode which I believe I've put in the right place but I'm not sure where to go from there
05:57<milton>ml|: So you're saying that the extra MBs on the bigger installations are nothing but apps that most people use?
05:57<locklace>Kjevlum: if you put the firmware in /lib/modules then everything should just work, if you're using a kernel version that has the driver
05:57<cahoot>Kjevlum: modprobe iwl3945 and study the last 10 libes of dmesg
05:57<locklace>Kjevlum: er, /lib/firmware
05:58<ml|>milton: yes your choice to install as much as you want or as little as you want
05:59<Kjevlum>sorry, I'm new to the whole linux scene, what is dmesg?
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05:59<locklace>Kjevlum: actually you should have installed thw firmware-iwlwifi package which should already have put the firmware in the right place
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06:00<ml|>dpkg: tell Kjevlum about dmesg
06:00<locklace>Kjevlum: so assuming you did that, then the driver should already be working. do you think it isn't? how are you checking?
06:00<liyaoshi>Kjevlum , maybe you should try ubuntu
06:00<ml|>dpkg: tell Kjevlum about grounding
06:00<locklace>!lart liyaoshi
06:00*dpkg chops liyaoshi in half with a free AOL CD
06:01<ml|>why use ubuntu when he can learn
06:01<Kjevlum>I know it would be easier with an easier distro but I prefer doing things the hard way, I learn more that way ;)
06:01<ml|>Kjevlum: read msg from dpkg
06:01<liyaoshi>he even dont know about the dmesg
06:02<ml|>so what
06:02<liyaoshi>step by step
06:02<locklace>obviously liyaoshi was born with "dmesg" engraved on his forehead
06:02<ml|>right he is learning
06:02<ml|>locklace: lol
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06:03<liyaoshi>i dont think he can learn something from lfs right now
06:03<locklace>Kjevlum: this is a simple matter; here are the steps: 1, install lenny - done, i presume. 2, "aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi" which will put the firmware for your card in /lib/firmware. 3, everything works. run "cat /proc/net/wireless" to verify your card is active.
06:03<liyaoshi>will be confused
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06:04<Kjevlum>great, I'll go through the steps and give it a go
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06:06<liyaoshi>I just want say , maybe you study from the others works result could be a easy way
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06:08<blast_hardcheese>Hey all!
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06:08<blast_hardcheese>Trying to find the touchscreen driver for a tablet I've got Debian running on
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06:09<blast_hardcheese>What's the best way (other than opening it) to find what touchscreen hardware it has?
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06:10<liyaoshi>dmesg
06:10<liyaoshi>lspci
06:10<liyaoshi>lsusb
06:10<locklace>space bar
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06:10<blast_hardcheese>dmesg tells me nothing, lspci doesn't work too well considering there's no PCI bus, lsusb wouldn't find a serial touchscreen
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06:12<blast_hardcheese>Wait, I was thinking about my thinkpad
06:12<blast_hardcheese>I'll try lspci
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06:14<locklace>blast_hardcheese: are you using evtouch
06:14<liyaoshi>try get the mode of Thinkpad ,and get the information from the website
06:15<liyaoshi>maybe a easy way
06:15<blast_hardcheese>liyaoshi: The thinkpad I'm not too worried about, it doesn't have a touchscreen
06:15<blast_hardcheese>locklace: I am not using evtouch, as far as I know.
06:16<locklace>blast_hardcheese: maybe have a look at xserver-xorg-input-evtouch. driver seems to be generic
06:16<liyaoshi>blast : Which board or laptop do you use
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06:16<blast_hardcheese>uploading the results of lspci now
06:16<blast_hardcheese>http://pastebin.com/d4eab5a75
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06:17<blast_hardcheese>It's a NEC PW-WT10-01
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06:19<liyaoshi>blast: cat /proc/interrupts
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06:19<liyaoshi>cat /proc/ioports
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06:20<liyaoshi>As I know , some usb device should do the configuration , and the default will not match
06:20<blast_hardcheese>http://pastebin.com/d1e9651de
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06:20<liyaoshi>They will open and enable the driver when system boot up
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06:21<liyaoshi>Try lsusb -v
06:22<blast_hardcheese>There is only one USB device connected, my Apple keyboard
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06:24<s4br3>Hi, since a few days I have a message "Error while printing" when trying to print from OpenOffice. Other apps e.g. KMail don't respond at all. What could be the culprit? I Googled but could find a solution that worked. I tried to change my locale, which didn'
06:24<s4br3>t help either.
06:24<cahoot>lenny?
06:24<s4br3>Sid/Experimental
06:24<cahoot>nice
06:24<s4br3>known issue?
06:25<cahoot>checked your cups logs?
06:25<s4br3>/etc/val/log?
06:25<s4br3>/etc/var/log?
06:26<cahoot>really running sid/exp?
06:26<adb>power users know using this ...
06:26<liyaoshi>Maybe they will use some gpio for the touch screen .
06:26<s4br3>:)
06:27<liyaoshi>I am not sure
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06:27<liyaoshi>Never use it
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06:29<heras>Hi. I've connected my TV to S-video on my PC and set it up as a seperate X screen. How do I launch an app to screen 1? "kaffeine -f --display :0 movie.mpg" works. "kaffeine -f --display :1 movie.mpg"says "kdeinit: Can't connect to the X Server".
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06:29<s4br3>from /var/log/cups the oldest message reads "180 Get-Jobs client-error-bad-request"
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06:30<liyaoshi>heras: which Graphic card do you have ?
06:31<heras>Nvidia GT6600 with the binary drivers
06:31<s4br3>cahoot, and it is reported here http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg652054.html
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06:31<copyofjohan>hi, after installing tracker, theres a trackerd process which runs as root. Is that a bug?
06:32<heras>supposedly xrandr is the way to go, but it doesn't see the tv-out.
06:32<copyofjohan>to be exact: there where two trackerd processes. One as user root, one as the normal user.
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06:33<liyaoshi>heras do you have try config with the nvidia utils in X mode ?
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06:34<heras>liyaoshi: yeah, with nvidia-settings. It works fine, but the TV is behind me so it would be nice if I could launch from screen 0
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06:36<liyaoshi>try this way http://linux.chinaunix.net/bbs/thread-964961-1-1.html
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06:40<heras>liyaoshi: that one uses twinview and clone. My monitor is 1600x1050 and the TV is 800x600.
06:40<copyofjohan>I found the problem. trackerd is started when you configure gdm. Is that a bug?
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06:41<liyaoshi>heras , try the second config file
06:42<liyaoshi>there are 2 config sample files
06:43<liyaoshi>the second file is config for 2 device with the graphic driver
06:44<liyaoshi>and you should modify it for pal or ntsc
06:44<liyaoshi>maybe you should try switch the tv mode to fit the config file
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06:45<liyaoshi>And
06:45<liyaoshi>I NEVER TRY IT !
06:46<heras>liyaoshi: Sorry, I didn't see the 2nd one
06:46<heras>Thanks, I'll give it a shot!
06:46<liyaoshi>No sorry just be happy
06:46<liyaoshi>:)
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06:55<ikkkaro>hi, anybody can help me?
06:55<jackyf>!ask
06:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
06:55<ikkkaro>I dont want to hear microphone from speakers
06:55<ikkkaro>i use alsa
06:55<ikkkaro>is any option there?
06:56<conta>alsamixer and mute
06:56<ikkkaro>Ok, I want to record for example
06:56<ikkkaro>but dont listen my voice
06:56<christoph>for one of my users squirrelmail (lenny) barks with http://dpaste.com/55181/ -- my own mailaccount is absolutely fine -- IMAP is dovecote@localhost -- what can I do?
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06:57<Eulex>mute the playback volume, but don't mute the capture volume of the microphone
06:57<ikkkaro>ok, but i need to listen music
06:57<ml|>or turn off speakers
06:57<Eulex>playback volume of the microphone
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06:59<ikkkaro>sorry i dont understand playback volume of the microphone
06:59<ikkkaro>i want to do like windows does
07:00<ikkkaro>you can record but your voice isnt in the speakers
07:00<ikkkaro>at the same time
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07:03<Eulex>and what windows does is to mute _playback_ of the microphone, but leaves the _capture_ volume of the microphone unmuted
07:04<ikkkaro>ah ok, is there this two options in alsa mixer? Im going to look for it, thanks!
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07:06<ml|>dpkg: wb
07:06<dpkg>thanks, ml|. It's good to be back.
07:06<locklace>ikkkaro: you can see a full list of controls with "amixer controls"
07:06<Eulex>ikkkaro, try pressing f3, f4, f5
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07:09<ikkkaro>for what is f3,f4,f5? I dont have now debian, I have the problem at work. I will try tomorrow. Thanks a lot for your help!
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07:10<locklace>ikkkaro: those keys will cycle between different control views in alsamixer
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07:11<ikkkaro>locklace: Ok, thanks!
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07:11<ubuntu__>Hi im new to the Linux O/S any pointers on where i can get answers to basic questions would be great ty.
07:12<dr|z3d>ubuntu__: There's a whole wealth of info out there. Google for Linux beginners guide.
07:13<ubuntu__>ok
07:13<ubuntu__>drIz3d thank you.
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07:13<dr|z3d>ubuntu__: Another tip. Type a couple of letters of my name and then hit <tab>
07:14<dr|z3d>It's called "nick completion".. most IRC clients support it.
07:14<ml|>dpkg: tell ubuntu__ about grounding
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07:14<ml|>ubuntu__: read msg from dpkg
07:15<ubuntu__>mlI :okay thanks heaps
07:16<ml|>dpkg: tell ubuntu__ about ubuntu
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07:16<dr|z3d>ubuntu__: tab completion.. I is not | :)
07:17<ml|>dr|z3d: it's cool ;)
07:17*dr|z3d smiles.
07:17<ml|>hehe :)
07:19<ml|>oh, he left how is dpkg going to help him ;)
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07:48<abrotman>!pt
07:48<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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08:33<nick_70>ciao
08:34<ml|>!it
08:34<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
08:34<nick_70>grazie
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08:35<ml|>np
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08:42<se7en>i have a notebook with an external screen, if i start conky it will always start on the notebook screen, how do i get it to start on the external screen
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08:55<koollman>ls
08:55<koollman>oops
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08:57<MadWifiOo>fine sunday to all. i have a question concerning the kernel_modules and their useage. i unloaded the wireless driver (ath5k) and loaded another (madwifi)... but now "$lspci -k" shows no driver in use, just the loaded modules. how do i use the driver now?
08:59<locklace>MadWifiOo: that would suggest madwifi didn't recognise your card. check dmesg output to see what it said when you loaded it
09:00<patrikf>MadWifiOo: the module is called ath_pci, not madwifi
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09:02<MadWifiOo>yes, thats true, but the driver is madwifi? the modules i use are ath_hal and ath_pci. "$dmesg" just reports "ath5k 000:04:00.0: PCI INT A disabled"
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09:09<MadWifiOo>http://pastebin.com/df7a82ae
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09:11<locklace>MadWifiOo: that seems ok, except for the discrepancy between lspci -k and lsmod with the former showing ath5k still in use
09:11<locklace>MadWifiOo: does "cat /proc/net/wireless" show an interface
09:12<MadWifiOo>http://pastebin.com/m4e9003d9
09:12<MadWifiOo>so it may be a "no"^^
09:13<locklace>MadWifiOo: right. so i see two possibilities, 1 is that the madwifi driver just isn't recognising your card (it ought to report what's going on as a kernel message when it's loaded)
09:13<locklace>MadWifiOo: 2, there's some problem with fully unloading ath5k. to test for this case you could arrange to ensure ath5k is never loaded at boot, then reboot and load madwifi
09:14<cahoot>isn't 000:04:00.0: PCI INT A disabled a bad sign?
09:14<locklace>that message was from ath5k
09:14<cahoot>true but is it enabled now?
09:14<locklace>that's what i was saying about the kernel message
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09:15<MadWifiOo>now its not loaded, i unloaded the ath_pci ath_hal modules => they did not drop any massage to dmesg.
09:16<cahoot>for a persion my iwl3945 ignited such msgs - only a reboot made it come aliave again
09:16<cahoot>gosh disregard the typos
09:16<MadWifiOo>lspci still lits both modules as "kernel_modules" => ath5k and ath_pci (both not loaded)
09:16<locklace>MadWifiOo: might as well try the option 2 test above
09:17<MadWifiOo>yes i am coming to this: i have to use a module-blacklist?
09:18<gsimmons>MadWifiOo: Installing the madwifi-tools package blacklists ath5k by default (/etc/modprobe.d/madwifi).
09:18<MadWifiOo>okay, shitstorm mode is ON: http://pastebin.com/m15d7426d
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09:20<MadWifiOo>gsimmons: oh, my, well, i did not install the package? i compiled from source ... needed older version... to run AccessPoint on my desktop... is this fatal?
09:20<cahoot>ath5k seems still loaded
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09:21<MadWifiOo>cahoot: why do you think so. :) at least so i can read the signes myself nexttime ;D
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09:21<cahoot>lspci -k | grep -C1 ath
09:22<MadWifiOo>cahoot: yes and it also lits ath_pci after "$rmmod ath_pci" ... so lspci seems to list the modules, wether loaded or not?
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09:23<MadWifiOo>is this okay? or abnormal? => http://pastebin.com/m15d7426d
09:24<locklace>MadWifiOo: "grep ath /proc/modules" - if it doesn't appear there then it seems like some lspci problem
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09:26<MadWifiOo>appears. and .. TATA the devices reappeared... so ath_pci is in charge! ... somehow the 3rd reloading did it
09:26<MadWifiOo>thanks all
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09:33<MadWifiOo>mm the ath5k is still listed by lspci. but ath5k is not loaded and ath_pci seems to be operational. but thats okay [-k Show kernel drivers handling each device and also kernel modules
09:33<MadWifiOo> capable of handling it.
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09:46<rajanways>hi
09:46<rajanways>hi
09:47<rajanways>any body installed drupal on debian lenny
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10:07<mahender>hey people
10:07<mahender>how much time it takes to learn php
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10:10<badeagle>know any programming already?
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10:42<giusez>!list
10:42<dpkg>giusez: VATTENE VIA
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10:52<edbian>When I boot my PC it hangs at "loading..." (right after the grub screen) for an unusually long time and then I get : "kinit: name_to_dev_t(/dev/sda5) = sda5(8,5) What is the meaning of this?
10:52<edbian>sda5 is my swap BTW
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10:53<edbian>Then the system boots normally
10:53<viruskurian>hello all... my first visit to debian servers IRC
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10:53<stuckey>Hello, I'm having trouble when trying to scan. I've posted details at https://answers.launchpad.net/hplip/+question/74176
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10:55<locklace>edbian: what version of debian? has it always been this way? if not, what changed? does your kernel boot commandline have the "quiet" option ("grep '^kernel' /boot/grub/menu.lst")
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10:57<edbian>locklace: 5.0 (lenny). It has not always been this way. I have been putting in harddrives, taking them out, installing second copies of debian in various partitions on them (never touched my main debian install though). I do have the quiet option. (ro splash quite vga=795)
10:57<cahoot>using uuid?
10:57<locklace>edbian: how long is "unusually long"? what benchmark are you using to determine that it's unusual
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10:58<edbian>locklace: My very subjective personal opinion. A couple of seconds (5+ of just loading...)
10:58<locklace>edbian: take out the quiet option and try again, look at all the kernel info
10:58<edbian>k
10:58<locklace>it's probably just partition scan delay. in .30 the scan is much faster because it's been made asynchronous
10:59<edbian>locklace: What does the quiet option do?
10:59<locklace>it disables all the kernel boot messages
10:59<edbian>locklace: What does the spalsh option do?
10:59<edbian>splash*
11:00<locklace>!fgi edbian kernel-boot-parameters
11:00<dpkg>edbian: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=kernel-boot-parameters
11:00<edbian>sorry
11:00<edbian>ha ha ha
11:02<edbian>What does that line mean? The "name_to_dev_t..." business?
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11:03<locklace>it's just mapping the device name /dev/sda5 to the kernel device number
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11:04<i10neorg>Just started today... X dies when launching an application (I'm running testing (updated today)).
11:04<i10neorg>Intel driver.
11:04<i10neorg>I can startx with a window manager (awesome).
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11:05<i10neorg>Then try and launch and app (say xterm) and x exits.
11:05<Hideo>look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and ~/.xsession-errors
11:05<i10neorg>Tried "startx xterm" but no go.
11:05<i10neorg>Hideo: Okay.
11:05<Hideo>post them on a paste site too if you want us to see
11:05<i10neorg>Was wondering if this was a known "state of testing right now" kind of thing.
11:06<locklace>i10neorg: check the bts
11:06<i10neorg>locklace: For what though? X, intel, some xlib?
11:07<locklace>i10neorg: xserver-xorg-video-intel is a reasonable place to start
11:07<adb>i10neorg: try "xterm" ...
11:08<craigevil>actually check the BTS for awesome, I have seen posts of forums.debian.net where people were having issues with it in testing/sid
11:08<i10neorg>adb: But any app (just happen to try lingot, iceweasel, xclock) will make X die (though my window manager didn't).
11:09<i10neorg>craigevil: That makes some sense to me.
11:09<i10neorg>Let me try another wm (though I thought I could start X without one and just an app for testing).
11:10<locklace>yeah, if it just looks like an exit rather than a crash (based on xorg.log and xsession-errors) definitely points to a wm issue
11:10<i10neorg>Thanks folks, that's what I'll look at now.
11:10<locklace>i10neorg: sure. just type "X" and then switch to a vt and run xterm
11:10<Hideo>how about just check the logs like i said first instead of guessing
11:10<i10neorg>Hideo: I did, but didn't see anything interesting.
11:11<stuckey>I'm getting this error when I try to run "scanimage" https://answers.launchpad.net/hplip/+question/74176
11:11<stuckey>I expected my scanner to scan a document, but I got the error instead.
11:12<stuckey>I added user to the 'lp' group and that made it such that I get this error not only as root, but as user too.
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11:32<bishop>help me here
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11:32<azeem>!ask
11:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
11:35*badeagle consults his crystal ball on bishop's problem.
11:37<Hideo>that crystal ball sure has some high latency
11:37<i10neorg>It was awesome being not so. Thanks.
11:38<i10neorg>It threw me because X seemed to die right away, but that's because apps were being launched in my .xsession, and it's awesome + apps that has awesome dying on me.
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11:39<i10neorg>"startx app" wasn't working for me to test, but "xinit app" was. I don't understand that.
11:39<i10neorg>But anyway, that was it, thanks for the pointers.
11:40<azeem>i10neorg: startx starts x, not apps with it AFAIK
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11:40<i10neorg>azeem: Reading its manpage leads me to believe otherwise.
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11:55<Necrun>does anyone know why when I connect for 2nd time my usb pendrive is not automounted?
11:56<Necrun>the kernel detects it but hal doesn't do anything :/
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12:00<zumbi>ls
12:00<zumbi>wrong chan :)
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12:01<Necrun>wrong window you mean XD
12:01<azeem>maybe somebody was asking "what is the Linux command for "dir"" in another chan
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12:03<zumbi>indeed
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12:06<cahoot>strangely enough my debian offers a 'dir'
12:06<m42>Necrun, i have the same problem....
12:06<m42>cahoot, an alias, maybe
12:06<Necrun>oh
12:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 418] by debhelper
12:07<m42>i didn't find an answer though....
12:07<cahoot>m42: which dir -> /bin/dir
12:07<m42>let me check mine... :)
12:09<m42>well.. it seems /bin/ls and /bin/dir are the same thing :P
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12:12<locklace>wtf
12:12<locklace>dir is bad enough, but it's not even a link
12:13<locklace>!lart coreutils
12:13*dpkg whips out a sword and chops coreutils in half
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12:15<locklace>"dir is equivalent to ls -C -b"
12:15<locklace>yeah, we really needed another 110K binary on the system for that
12:16<m42>i guess it wouldn't hurt define a system-wide alias to that purpose...
12:17<locklace>or at worst a symlink and have ls flip those switches depending on its argv[0]
12:17<azeem>m42: for which shell?
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12:18<locklace>that's the standard way to do things like that, not make spurious copies with trivial changes
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12:18<m42>azeem, indeed, you're right..
12:18<edbian>I read that if I tell my system to boot using dash during boot time instead of bash that I can boot faster here: http://initscripts-ng.alioth.debian.org/soc2006-bootsystem/bootcharts.html
12:18<azeem>you'll be disappointed to know that /bin/grep and /bin/egrep are different files as well
12:19<edbian>What scripts to I need to alter to dash?
12:19<locklace>azeem: those are historically different programs
12:19<locklace>edbian: you don't need to alter anything, just install it
12:19<azeem>and point /bin/sh to it
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12:20<locklace>dpkg-reconfigure does that
12:21<edbian>locklace: Well I have dash installed. I want it to run for the boot process but I prefer bash. If I make /bin/sh point to dash won't terminal open up in dash (and all system scripts?)
12:21<locklace>edbian: no
12:21<edbian>The scripts that I wrote all begin with /bin/bash
12:21<edbian>BTW
12:22<edbian>locklace: Really? Awesome :) so sudo dpkg-reconfigure dash then?
12:22<locklace>edbian: yes
12:22<edbian>Thanks! locklace azeem
12:24<edbian>awesome now I'll bootchart it :)
12:25<azeem>edbian: the script you wrote will continue to use bash then
12:25<edbian>azeem Yeah I know I was just pointing it out because locklace is the one who taught me to do that.
12:26<locklace>iirc i told you to learn and use sh instead
12:27<edbian>locklace: I like to put /bin/bash because then I know what shell the script will use.
12:27<locklace>so you're writing in sh but using bash in the #! line?
12:27<edbian>no
12:28<edbian>I'm writing is bash
12:28<edbian>and using a bash she-bang
12:28<edbian>I actually rarely create a command that is specific to any shell
12:28<locklace>ok, you didn't listen to me then
12:28<edbian>locklace: ? Sorry please explain again
12:28<locklace>by "writing in bash" i meant "are you using any bash-specific features"
12:28<cahoot>please not again
12:29<edbian>locklace: What are some bash specific features?
12:30<Hideo>google bashism
12:30<locklace>if you're learning to write sh scripts from an sh tutorial or document like the one i gave you, then you won't be using bashisms
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12:30<edbian>locklace: You are suggesting that if my script will run under any shell that I use sh? And if I am writing a script that will run under a specific shell only to use that shell in the she-bang?
12:31<azeem>edbian: that's common practise
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12:31<edbian>ok
12:31<edbian>Have I finally learned this guy?
12:31<locklace>edbian: if you're writing in standard sh, it doesn't matter which shell /bin/sh happens to actually be; that's the point of a standard
12:31<edbian>guys*
12:32<edbian>locklace: Thank you
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12:41<edbian>That did speed up my boot by roughly 3 seconds. If I post my bootchart.svgz can somebody help me speed it up some more? I think I have one big problem area identified that I'ld like to take care of.
12:44<stuckey>I was looking at this guide: http://www.bunkus.org/dvdripping4linux/single/index.html#links_libs but it says it was last updated in 2002---does anyone know of an updated version or a similar guide that's a little bit newer?
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12:47<i10neorg>I'm trying a fix mentioned in <http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=532011#62>, but I don't know how to find an older version of the package.
12:47<i10neorg>It wasn't in the archives that I saw, and I couldn't find it on snapshot.debian.net .
12:47<i10neorg>Any pointers on finding a (not so) older version of a package (to downgrade)?
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12:48<locklace>check your /var/cache/apt/archives, you might already have it
12:49<Gathond>perhaps an older debian version has the package somewhere
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12:51<edbian>azeem Is this you?? http://knol.google.com/k/aseem-sethi/linux-performance-tuning-and-measurement/29fizhrip655z/1#
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12:53<locklace>sigh. there's a "vdir" too
12:53<locklace>"vdir is equivalent to ls -l -b"
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12:56<azeem>edbian: why do you think it would be me?
12:56<edbian>same name
12:56<azeem>eh?
12:56<m42>locklace: the cruf thickens....
12:56<edbian>aseem : azeem
12:56<azeem>and that is the same to you?
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12:56<azeem>like
12:56<edbian>I thought it was a possibility. Didn't mean to offend
12:56<azeem>obama : osama?
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12:57<azeem>edbian: also, consider reading up on irc's /whois feature
12:57<locklace>m42: i would love to know who in the unix world has ever written or would ever write "vdir" instead of "ls -lb"
12:57<Sebby>hello
12:57<stuckey>what's the difference between -l and -lb?
12:57<m42>locklace: clearly someone outside of this world :)
12:57<locklace>stuckey: man ls
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12:57<locklace>m42: well, it is gnu we're dealing with
12:57<stuckey> print octal escapes for nongraphic characters
12:58<stuckey>?
12:58<locklace>yes
12:58<stuckey>What the hell is an octal escape?
12:58<m42>locklace: hence, not unix :)
12:58<azeem>stuckey: google it
12:58<locklace>stuckey: writes a character using its octal ascii code \0xx. man ascii
12:58<m42>stuckey: something like \012
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12:59<locklace>m42: if we switched to eglibc then nuking dir and vdir should be no problem
12:59*Sebby i`m running a virtualized Debian 4 (for virtualization i use colinux) and i`m running dc++ hub and i saw that that conections are limited but not by dc++ soft that by something else (when i rech 50 connections the machine refuses rest of connection like it would be offline) is a Debian problem or a coLinux one?
13:00<m42>locklace: time will come, i guess
13:00<stuckey>I see
13:00<stuckey>Does anyone know why I get this error? https://answers.launchpad.net/hplip/+question/74176
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13:03<i10neorg>locklace: I checked /var/cache/apt/archive , but no go, thanks. That'll teach me to clear obsolete files in my cache while following testing!
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13:05<Guest539>what is the best option to backup from ubuntu server
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13:05<i10neorg>Gathond: Older debian version... like releases? The version I'm looking for is between lenny and what's in testing now, so I'm not sure how.
13:05<locklace>!tell Guest539 about ubuntu
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13:06<Gathond>i10neorg: then that idea won't work
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13:07<i10neorg>Gathond: Okay, thanks.
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13:08<locklace>i10neorg: yeah, i kind of wish a couple of previous versions of each package were maintained on the standard servers for exactly this reason
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13:08<locklace>i10neorg: having to keep a ton of stuff around in your personal package cache is suboptimal
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13:09<jonnnn>hello people I added a host to my list of known hosts by error. if I edit the .ssh/known_hosts by hand for example just erase the contents, what will happen?
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13:10<locklace>jonnnn: nothing, you can just delete the line
13:10<locklace>jonnnn: or even erase the file. all that will happen then is that you'll be asked to re-add all the hosts you connect to
13:10<jonnnn>ok great, i will do it
13:10<jonnnn>you mean rm -rf known_hosts?
13:11<locklace>"rm known_hosts" is sufficient
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13:11<danger_>Sup all
13:11<jonnnn>thx proceeding
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13:18<davyg>does somone has problem with lib32 on debian unstable amd64 ?
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13:21<stuckey>When I run "scanimage" I get this error: scanimage: sane_read: Operation was cancelled
13:21<deniz>is it possible that going from lenny's kernel to 2.6.29 is the source of my hotter than usual laptop?
13:21<stuckey>Can anyone offer me some help?
13:21<stuckey>Yes
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13:23<jonnnn>stuckey - scanners maybe difficult with linux. i tried and failed
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13:24<craigevil>stuckey: if its a HP scanner try using the HP toolbox GUI
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13:26<stuckey>craigevil: https://answers.launchpad.net/hplip/+question/74176
13:26<stuckey>craigevil: What should I do with the hp toolbox?
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13:29<edbian>I get a stupid error from exim4 on boot: "panic log has non-zero size" " I can't handle this cause I'm a wuss" blah blah. How do I copy /dev/null into the panic log? I know where the log is I just don't know the command
13:31<craigevil>edbian: do you need exim to start at boot? if not use rcconf or sysv-rc-conf to turn it off
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13:43<kins>my debian lenny gets hung every now and then esp while watching movies..could someone help solve this
13:44<locklace>kins: define "hung". can you switch to a vt? does magic sysrq work?
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13:45<kins>audio keeps rolling but video is stuck for movies & in browsers system hangs for few sec and then proceeds
13:46<locklace>kins: what video card/chipset? which x video driver?
13:46<kins>nvidia
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13:47<andrea91>hi all
13:47<andrea91>I want to install debian sid on my machine, and I'm using the latest business-card iso
13:47<andrea91>but it doesn't recognize my wireless card
13:48<kins>nvidia nforce 430 mcp
13:48*Sebby i`m running a virtualized Debian 4 (for virtualization i use colinux) and i`m running dc++ hub, i saw that that conections are limited but not by hubsoft that by something else (when i reach 50 con the machine refuses rest of connection like it would be offline) is a Debian problem or a coLinux one?
13:49<danger_>andrea91 what wireless card is it?
13:49<andrea91>rt61-based
13:49<danger_>!wifi
13:49<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
13:49<andrea91>ifconfig -a doesn't display any wlan0
13:49<andrea91>ralink
13:50<locklace>kins: how did you install the nvidia drivers
13:50<andrea91>danger_: most likely it will work on the installed system
13:50<andrea91>but I think that the kernel in the installer
13:50<andrea91>doesn't recognize it
13:50<locklace>andrea91: try a lenny installer backport
13:50<kins>yes i did
13:50<locklace>!tell andrea91 about kmuto
13:51<andrea91>locklace: I've tried with an iso of that period, didn't work
13:52<andrea91>is there a script that generates the isos? it will be available and customizable, I guess
13:52<andrea91>so that I can change the kernel configuration
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13:53<andrea91>!wifi <ralink>
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13:54<kins>i dont remen=mber exactly
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13:55<kins>i think i did it using the module assistant
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14:02<rudenstam>when updating kernel packages, reboot is still required for it to be any use right ? seems like I don't get the "recommended to reboot asap" message anymore...
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14:19<kins>i cannot use my hp1020 printer in debian lenny if the printer is switched on after the system
14:19<stuckey>What's an easy way to remove all libboost packages?
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14:23<locklace>aptitude remove '~i~n^libboost'
14:23<snogglethorpe>stuckey: I'd probably go into aptitude, set a limit to "boost", and just hit "_" on the header line to remove all packages shown
14:23<snogglethorpe>(setting a limit is the "l" (ell) command)
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14:24<stuckey>snogglethorpe: Dpkg still shows them as being installed
14:25<stuckey>snogglethorpe: How do I hit a
14:25<stuckey>_ on the header line?
14:25<stuckey>nevermind, figured out what you mean
14:25<snogglethorpe>yeah
14:25<snogglethorpe>probably the wrong term
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14:25<snogglethorpe>"root of the tree"
14:25<snogglethorpe>or something
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14:28<kins>how do i get my printer working
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14:31<marceloPassos>alguem fala portugues
14:31<marceloPassos>hehehehe
14:31<locklace>!pt
14:31<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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14:32<marceloPassos>valeu irmao
14:32<marceloPassos>obrigado
14:33<marceloPassos>dpkg vc é brasileiro
14:33<dpkg>no idea, marceloPassos
14:34<marceloPassos>tudo bem vou tentar o debian-br
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14:42<edbian>Is there a way to get a list of the apps I use the most?
14:43<dondelelcaro>edbian: you can track which ones you used most recently
14:43<edbian>dondelelcaro: How
14:43<edbian>?
14:43<dondelelcaro>edbian: look at the atime
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14:45<edbian>dondelelcaro: Sorry? I don't know what atime is.
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14:50<edbian>hello?
14:50<edbian>What is atime?
14:53<cahoot>tried google?
14:53<edbian>It's just all about the mount option? Something about when the filesystem updates the modified dates?
14:53<edbian>not just of apps though,it
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14:55<mamont>anybody with Adobe Flash Player installed on Debian: do you have a 'plugins' directory in ~/.mozilla/ ?
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14:56<adb>yes
14:57<mamont>thanks
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15:17<k8to>stupid X question -- i updated to X 1.6.2 RC2 and MULTI_KEY stopped functioning, anyone familiar?
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15:27<szymon_g>hi
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15:34<edbian>What is the fastest tiling window manager?
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15:45<stuckey>What's a common router configuration address? 192.168.172.1?
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15:46<patrikf>stuckey: 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.1.1 are more common AFAIK. but it doesn't matter at all really
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15:50<RichiH>stuckey: patrikf is right
15:51<k8to>yeah the compose key just doesn't work in current testing
15:52<patrikf>k8to: need to configure it through console-setup
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15:52<patrikf>and, even if it's more work, compose key on tty1 is kinda neat ;-)
15:53<k8to>patrikf: i don't seem to have a console-setup; this was working previously in the same install
15:53<stuckey>How do I print in conkeror?
15:53<stuckey>patrikf: thanks
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15:54<k8to>patrikf: this package seems to be about the console (no surprise) -- does it have an effect upon the X environment?
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15:54<patrikf>k8to: in recent xorg, the x server will use the console-setup configuration
15:55<patrikf>(if you don't have it configured differently in a xorg.conf)
15:55<k8to>i used xmodmap to cause right control to be MULTI_KEY
15:55<k8to>xkeycaps confirms it is so
15:56<Zviper>anyone here fimiliar with drftpd?
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16:01<johnfg>hi folks
16:01<johnfg>Can debian install an .rpm? I wanted to install sun download manager, but it's an rpm.
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16:03<dr|z3d>johnfg: Sure. Try aptitude install alien
16:03<dr|z3d>Then followup with a: "man alien" once installed.
16:04<johnfg>OK, dr|z3d . I'll give that a try.
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16:05<johnfg>dr|z3d, I've got another disc in the cdrom at present, but aptitude wants to install alien from the debian dvd. Is there a way to tell it to use the net instead? Sources are configure right.
16:05<johnfg>So, I guess I could just comment out the dvd and try again?
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16:06<dr|z3d>Sure, do that, then do an aptitude update
16:06<johnfg>OK, already doing it, but glad I'm on the right track.
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16:08<k8to>patrikf: haha, now you've done it -- i ran console-setup reconfigure, and the compose key works at the console, but still not in X -- and it outputs in utf8 despite me saying to output in iso8859-1
16:09<patrikf>k8to: heh. try to drop any custom keyboard config in X or your desktop environment
16:09<patrikf>(and make sure your xorg is up-to-date, of course)
16:10<patrikf>(i.e. check if it depends or recommends console-setup :-))
16:10<k8to>i dropped the xmodmap line, i have no desktop environment, i'll take the compose line out of xorg.conf
16:10<patrikf>you should probably comment the whole keyboard section
16:10<johnfg>Thanks dr|z3d That took about 10 secs total, if that. Very cool.
16:11<k8to>patrikf: it does not directly depend on console-setup
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16:12<patrikf>k8to: argh, seems that is only in unstable, hasn't hit testing yet. beat me...
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16:12<k8to>patrikf: only if you ask nicely
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16:12<k8to>;-)
16:13<patrikf>heh
16:13<k8to>removing the keyboard section causes X to not start
16:13<patrikf>yeah, that's no surprise then
16:13<ml|>!beat patrikf
16:13*dpkg beats patrikf with a large stick.
16:13<patrikf>ah! yes! that feels right
16:14<ml|>you didn't ask me, but you did ask ;)
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16:17<stuckey>When I try to scan something I get scanimage: sane_read: Operation was cancelled
16:17<stuckey>Would someone please help?
16:17<k8to>huh, updated xorg to unstable, no change
16:18<k8to>i wonder what the list of necessary packages is
16:19<ml|>k8to: what are you trying to fo?
16:19<ml|>s/fo/do
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16:23<k8to>ml|: i'm trying to make my multi_key work again
16:24<k8to>ml|: in x, so that i can type things like é
16:24<k8to>which i assume is an e with an accent mark, but i can't tell, because console-setup set up one of my vts and not the others
16:24<k8to>and this irc session is on the console right now
16:24<amphi>k8to: what's the problem? you can do it easily with xmodmap
16:24<k8to>amphi: the problem is it doesn't work
16:25<amphi>heh
16:25<k8to>amphi: xmodmap works, but x doesn't seem to do anything with the deadkey
16:25<amphi>k8to: what does xev say about it?
16:25<k8to>i press multikey, then ', and it outputs ', indicating that it's not doing the deadkey logic at all
16:25<k8to>i'm not familiar with xev, should i just run it?
16:26<amphi>yes, and then press the key you assigned the Multi_key sym to
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16:28<k8to>where should i send the output?
16:28<ml|>k8to: so you want a different keyboard lay out correct?
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16:28<k8to>it says that the key is pressed, and that it is CONTROL_R
16:28<ml|>ah brb
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16:29<k8to>xkeycaps says it is MULTI_KEY but x seems to think it's still right control
16:29<k8to>which is the key it is naturally, on the keyboard
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16:30<k8to>i am going to try relaunching x from the vt where compose is working best
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16:32<k8to>no, it just doesn't work
16:32<k8to>also, the console compose behavior is pretty terrible, not sure if that's expected, as I haven't used it before
16:32<ml|>k8to: you want accents to work correct?
16:33<ml|>in X
16:33<k8to>ml: i want eg, multikey ! ! to produce the leading upside down spanish exclaimation point
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16:33<k8to>or multikey ' e to produce e accent ague (rising accent)
16:33<k8to>multie ` e should produce e accent grave (falling accent)
16:33<k8to>and so on
16:34<ml|>k8to: you can do that with different keyboard layout
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16:34<k8to>does xmodmap not achieve a different keyboard layout, dynamically?
16:34<ml|>setxkbmap us intl <--- sets keyboard layout to us intl
16:35<ml|>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout
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16:35<ml|>try that works here if want to use that
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16:36<ml|>the settings above only work for current X session only
16:36<k8to>iḿ familiar with the ideas of: a physical keyboard, and the idea that it has keys arranged on a physical device; that the keyboard sends scancodes in accordance; that than input layer reads these scancodes and translates them into key symbols representing the idea of keypresses, and that eventually input is delivered into the application
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16:37<k8to>the intl keymap is not what i want, this makes ' into a deadkey
16:37<k8to>it does not permit typing things like the danish o, or the english pound sterling
16:38<k8to>the multi_key is the feature that i want to start working again, it worked last week
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16:38<k8to>intl would interfere with typing things like 'ear'
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16:47<k8to>i just filed the bug; i suspect the error is upstream
16:49<amphi>k8to: I have 6.10.2 and xmonad from darcs a little while back, and xmodmap sets multi_key fine here
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16:49<k8to>amphi: does it take effect?
16:49<amphi>yes
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16:50<amphi>k8to: the ghc and darcs stuff was irrlevant, sorry
16:50<amphi>I'm on testing here
16:51<k8to>after the setxkbmap commands, things are a bit goofy, restarting x again
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16:52<k8to>hm
16:53<k8to>it seems console-setup made things much worse
16:53<k8to>control is now sending pgdown
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16:54<Hideo>k8to: I don't disagree ;)
16:54<k8to>page up now sends /
16:54<k8to>...
16:54<k8to>double you tee eff?
16:54<k8to>i'm not doing anything custom here
16:55<k8to>i had a one line xmodmap file
16:55<k8to>it stopped working
16:55<k8to>now everything is hosed
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16:56<amphi>what did you do?
16:56<k8to>incidentally, my zap is broken also
16:57<k8to>even though control, alt and backspace are all mapped just fine
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16:58<k8to>amphi: i can't contrl-alt-fkey to go look; so i will say: reconfiguring the console package and/or updating packages
16:59<k8to>amphi: i'm assuming setxkbmap can't persist across x restart
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17:02<simNIX>When I try to install qmail I get; qmail conflicts with mail-transport-agent exim -> how can I say go ahead and replace it ?
17:03<simNIX>(qmail-src build)
17:03<amphi>k8to: I don't use it here
17:03<Hideo>k8to: sid?
17:03<k8to>squeeze
17:03<k8to>i updated xorg to sid on the discussion of console-setup as the tool which would resolve this
17:04<Hideo>bad idea
17:04<azeem>simNIX: remove exim at the same time
17:04<Hideo>xorg in sid sucks donkey's ass
17:04<k8to>back to squeeze
17:05<ml|>Hideo: lol
17:05<k8to>done
17:05<k8to>although, right control is still sending page down
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17:06<simNIX>azeem, Ill have a look at man dpkg on how - tnx
17:07<k8to>i turned of deadkey with console-setup and now ctrl-alt-Fkey in x works again
17:08<k8to>buhh
17:08<k8to>many other things are still scrambled
17:08<k8to>i'm suspecting the event layer mapping is screwed
17:09<Hideo>k8to: I stopped console-setup from starting altogether, any software which tries to fix what's not broken and then bork all other things should just be disabled
17:09<k8to>i'm coming to this conclusion
17:10<Hideo>use update-rc.d and stop it from starting up
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17:10<simNIX>when I try dpkg -r exim4-daemon-light -i /tmp/qmail/qmail_1.you must specify packages by their own names03-47_i386.deb I get
17:10<k8to>well i'm wondering if i should reenable keymap.sh
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17:11<simNIX>I wonder how to trace down the name since installing qmail gives exem4-daemin-light as conflicting one ..
17:11<Hideo>k8to: maybe you can remove it in squeeze, here in sid, xorg depends on console-setup so it can't be removed
17:11<ml|>you can in squeeze
17:11<k8to>yes i mean
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17:11<k8to>rm /bin/setupcon
17:12<Hideo>why not just uninstall?
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17:12<locklace>simNIX: just remove exim with aptitude first
17:12<k8to>dependencies
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17:12<Hideo>oh? I guess you can't in squeeze?
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17:13<ml|>i don't have that installed here
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17:15<k8to>setupcon is part of console-setup, it's in 1.28 which is testing
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17:18<simNIX>locklace, I now tried; now atempt installing qmail deb says; qmail conflicts with mail-transport-agen msmtp-mtat - so I tried aptitude removed that also - now xmail is in the way ... removing that gives bsd-mailx
17:18<simNIX>can I somehow say to aptitude remove that and replace with this deb ?
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17:19<locklace>you can probably just force-install the qmail .deb
17:20<locklace>surprised there weren't instructions on exactly what to do in the qmail-src package
17:20<locklace>considering anyone who attempts to install qmail will run into this stupid issue
17:20<simNIX>yup
17:21<simNIX>also I wonder why there's no a package
17:21<locklace>i'
17:21<simNIX>since over a year its open soure ...
17:21<simNIX>but that no big prob
17:21<locklace>i'm guessing some dumb licencing issue
17:21<simNIX>if thares a way ..
17:21<simNIX>not anymore
17:21<simNIX>was so in the past
17:21<locklace>it's djb
17:21<simNIX>no
17:21<simNIX>let me google the vid where its anounced
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17:22<locklace>ok. it's been like ten years since i last installed qmail
17:22<petern>keep it that way
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17:22<locklace>ever since postfix came out i never needed to
17:22<simNIX>http://www.be.kernel.org/bugs.debian.org/bts-spool-archive/29/258429.report
17:22<simNIX>ho
17:22<simNIX>wrog paste
17:22<locklace>for a while there qmail was the only real alternative to sendmail
17:23<simNIX>http://www.qmail.org/not-open-source.html
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17:23<simNIX>I realy enjoy using it
17:24<simNIX>on the creator of qmail was the only one that had his dns server save in light kavinsky dns flaw
17:24<simNIX>on=and
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17:24<locklace>bind sucks, no doubt about that
17:24<simNIX>I currently have it runnig on FreeBSd
17:24<simNIX>trying to mov it to Debian
17:25<simNIX>but ill give it some more google
17:25<simNIX>I cant be the only one that wants qmail on his Deb
17:26<locklace>wait, is exim4 gone or still there because of dependencies on mail-transport-agent
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17:27<simNIX>gone but replaced
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17:27<locklace>huh?
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17:27<k8to>well, downgrading x and/or disabling console setup made things work again
17:28<simNIX>locklace, I now tried; now atempt installing qmail deb says; qmail conflicts with mail-transport-agen msmtp-mtat - so I tried aptitude removed that also - now xmail is in the way ... removing that gives bsd-mailx
17:28<simNIX>(repaste)
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17:28<locklace>i saw it but i don't understand your state. do you have the exim4-* packages installed or not?
17:28<k8to>I can go back to edting my document about Königsfrost
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17:29<simNIX>removing exim gives msmtp-mtat - then removing that gives bsd-mailx - removing that ssmtp
17:29<simNIX>no
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17:29<locklace>simNIX: ok, well part of the reason this is hard is that you have 702352984522 packages installed that provide "mail-transport-agent"
17:30<simNIX>looks lkie removing one makes it gets replaced by something randoom
17:30<simNIX>and not my qmail ...
17:30<simNIX>... should I consider this a bug ?
17:30<locklace>no, you just have a ton of them installed
17:30<locklace>the things you need to remove are exim4-*, msmtp-mta, ssmtp (at least)
17:30<simNIX>this is a clean debootstraped jail ..
17:31<simNIX>ill remove a few more see if that gets it
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17:31<locklace>but in order to get around dependencies on mail-transport-agent, you'll have to force-remove the last one with dpkg
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17:32<simNIX>its now replaceing with nulmailer ...
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17:32<locklace>ok, don't use aptitude to remove that, force-remove it with dpkg
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17:34<woshfdwo>i tried to write a floppy of the debian boot image but the "write" said the image was not valid
17:34<woshfdwo>boot.img
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17:35<k8to>woshfdwo: if write doesn't like the file, i'm going to guess there were download problems -- though perhaps a url to the file would help for checking
17:35<simNIX>dpkg --force-remove nullmailer gives dependency problems prevent removal of nullmailer:
17:35<dpkg>simNIX: You are moron #1
17:35<simNIX>or dpkg noob ?
17:35<ml|>hah
17:35<locklace>simNIX: you'll have to use --force-depends or something
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17:36<k8to>i've never had good experiences forcing actions with dpkg; something always gets very cranky
17:36<simNIX>dont find in in the man yet ..
17:36<locklace>simNIX: dpkg --force-help
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17:36<simNIX>Id rather not also
17:36<woshfdwo>k8to: "write"?
17:36<simNIX>but then howto install qmail ?
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17:36<woshfdwo>sis there a good app for writing these images to floppy?
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17:37<woshfdwo>sorry. i wasn't going this in debian
17:37<woshfdwo>*is
17:37<locklace>simNIX: once you've removed nulmailer with dpkg, qmail should install fine, and the install will automatically repair the depends on mail-transport-agent
17:37<k8to>woshfdwo: I thought you were using a program called write, and hte program was saying the image is not valid
17:37<simNIX>ok
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17:37<k8to>woshfdwo: i assumed this was the old ms dos program for writing linux boot floppies
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17:38<woshfdwo>no some app i found online
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17:40<blender3D>o/
17:40<simNIX>(FWIW: dpkg --force-breaks -r was wat I needed)
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17:40<k8to>woshfdwo: where are you acquiring the floppy images?
17:41<simNIX>what can I do if I want to help qmail becoming a workable pkg in repository ?
17:41-!-ivan_ [~ivan@host207.190-225-224.telecom.net.ar] has joined #debian
17:41<simNIX>without jumping through hoops ..
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17:41<locklace>simNIX: contact the current maintainer
17:41<ivan_>che alguien programa con eclipse android
17:41<simNIX>k
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17:41<woshfdwo>k8to: yeah. what images should i be using. i think i followed the wrong link or something
17:41<simNIX>tnx for you patience lacklace
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17:42<simNIX>apreciated
17:42<locklace>simNIX: did the install work?
17:42<simNIX>yup
17:42<locklace>!tell ivan_ about es
17:42<locklace>!congratulate simNIX
17:42<dpkg>Woohoo simNIX, you did it!
17:42<ivan_>someone program in eclipse android
17:42<simNIX>I was helped :o)
17:42<k8to>i'm not finding much about installing from floppies in the current installation manual
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17:43<woshfdwo>dr|z3d: you mentioned this was possible yesterday
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17:43<adb>woshfdwo: dd if=boot.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024 conv=sync ; sync
17:44<adb>http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s03.html.en#id2534059
17:44<simNIX>oops; locklace I should have typed ...
17:44<woshfdwo>adb: sorry i'm not on linux right now
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17:44<simNIX>k8to, specific eason you want to install from floppy ?
17:44<adb>see above 4.3.2. Writing Disk Images From DOS, Windows, or OS/2
17:45<simNIX>(I realy like pxe started installs)
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17:45<adb>well next* 4.3.2.
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17:46<woshfdwo>adb: and the actual images?
17:46<adb> actual are only etch
17:46<woshfdwo>i did try and find these yesterday
17:47<ivan_>someONE program into Eclipse with android??
17:47<woshfdwo>yeah. i know. then i'll have to upgrade.
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17:47<k8to>woshfdwo: this seems to be a page of programs which can write out disk images: http://www.fdos.org/ripcord/rawrite/
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17:47<woshfdwo>sorry. found the images this time
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17:49<k8to>not really sure why tools on mirrors doesn't still have rawrite, shrug
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17:51<woshfdwo>what files need to be present on a drive in order for it to boot?
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17:52<adb> 1. boot.img 2. root.img 3.-4. net-drivers-1.img net-drivers-2.img 5. cd-drivers.img
17:52<adb>http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian4.0r8/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/
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17:57<adb>rawrite1.zip and rawrite2.zip are tools/ directory on i386 debian.iso
17:58<adb> are in*
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18:00<woshfdwo>adb: yes i understand that. i was referring to any disk. a usb drive or a livecd for examble.
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18:01<adb>http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en
18:03<adb> livecd use syslinux too
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19:01<OPTIPLEX>hola
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19:02<OPTIPLEX>buenas
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19:04<abrotman>!es
19:04<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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19:05<bbmj>slap tweaked
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19:06<blender3D>e português pode? =)
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20:10<Muuudkipz>Hello
20:10<Muuudkipz>I'm trying to install debian 5.0.1 and it tells me I need iw1wifi-4965-1.ucode
20:11<Muuudkipz>can anyone halp?
20:11<abrotman>!iwlwifi
20:11<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net.
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20:12<Muuudkipz>oh wow
20:12<Muuudkipz>thanks
20:12<Muuudkipz>that was an l
20:12<Muuudkipz>not a 1
20:13<Muuudkipz>that would be why I couldn't find anything
20:13<Muuudkipz>haha
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20:16<Muuudkipz>is there anyway I can install it
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20:17<quaz>Hi debhelper
20:17<Muuudkipz>I have debian on a seperate partition
20:17<quaz>I assume you help new debian users, am I correct?
20:18<abrotman>yes
20:18<Muuudkipz>and I can't connect without wireless
20:18<patrikf>quaz: debhelper is a bot
20:18<quaz>yes I thought lol:)
20:19<quaz>I have just installed debian on sun virtualbox (main system is windows please dont ban me)
20:19<Muuudkipz>Is there anyway I can install iwlwiifi-4965-1.ucode without an internet connection?
20:19<quaz>debian version is lenny
20:19<Muuudkipz>Like, can I download it on windows and put it on a flash drive
20:19<patrikf>!apt-zip
20:19<dpkg>Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip, or apt-sneakernet (in jest)
20:19<patrikf>might as well try /msg dpkg apt offline
20:20<quaz>network is working fie but when I try to update and run apt-get update
20:20<quaz>I can't connect
20:20<quaz>anyone knows where may be the problem?
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20:21<quaz>I got messages unable to connect to volatile.debian.org:80
20:21<quaz>connection timed out
20:22<abrotman>quaz: but the rest of the internet works fine ?
20:22<abrotman>quaz: does `nslookup volatile.debian.org` work ?
20:23<quaz>I only have the console window but I can ping the host
20:23<quaz>I mean volatile.debian.org
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20:23<quaz>nslookup works too yes
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20:25<abrotman>do you have a proxy ?
20:25<abrotman>or does your ISP?
20:26<quaz>there may be an issue with proxy
20:26<quaz>I hve a corporate ISP provider
20:28<Supaplex>how do I increase the number of inodes in a filesystem w/o reformatting?
20:28<quaz>how do I configure apt to work with proxy?
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20:33<Supaplex>meh. so much for rsync. I guess I'll tarball it. 200k+ files. :P
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20:34<quaz>do you know abrotman of any network resources how to configure it?
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20:35<Supaplex>quaz: what protocol of proxy?
20:36<abrotman>quaz: man apt.conf
20:36<quaz>ty abrotman
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20:37<quaz>how can I check the protocol of proxy from a client workstation?
20:37<Supaplex>http? socks? ftp?
20:38<quaz>there is automatic script
20:38<Supaplex>ask your provider
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20:39<quaz>why do I need protocol of my proxy supaplex?
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20:42<Supaplex>if you read the apt.conf man page, you'll see that ftp and http are supported.
20:42<quaz>yes I'm reading it and just spotted these places ty
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20:44<woshfdwo>hey. what is the package for locate in etch?
20:44<woshfdwo>nm
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20:49*streuner_ guess slocate
20:50<streuner_>!+tell woshdwo -about search
20:50<dpkg>told woshdwo about search.
20:51<streuner_>!+tell woshfdwo -about search
20:51<dpkg>told woshfdwo about search.
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20:57<woshfdwo>no. it's already included in the default install.
20:57<woshfdwo>it only has to be installed manually on lenny
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21:03<Muuudkipz>!iwlwifi
21:03<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net.
21:05<abrotman>you can /msg dpkg iwlwifi
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21:42<brennino>hi folks
21:42<Supaplex>greetings
21:43<brennino>I'm configuring permission on my web server on debian...
21:43<brennino>I want to know if is a good idea or there are secuity risks with this configuration:
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21:45<brennino>for the htdocs dir and subfolder: permission 460 owner www-data group developers
21:46<brennino>in this way I not allow local user on my system to see restricted data
21:47<brennino>only developers can read and write on the htdocs and subfolder
21:47<brennino>it's a bad idea?
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21:48<Supaplex>that'll prevent anyone but www-data/developers from seeing it.
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21:49<edbian>Is there a way to make compiz a tiling window manager??
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21:50<ml|>edbian: if you want a great wm try xmonad, but will take some work on your end
21:51<edbian>ml|: What do you mean it will take some work on my end??
21:52<ml|>you can also use grml and try out a few of them, but xmonad is not included
21:52<krazykit>if you want a window manager you can configure without 200MB of haskell stuff, you could use awesome ;)
21:52<avu>edbian, it means setting up xmonad is complicated
21:52<edbian>avu: ml| I was looking into awesome and I didn't like it because I felt like I had to set up too much stuff.
21:52<Supaplex>!start a wm war
21:52<dpkg>metacity sucks!
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21:52<ml|>avu: not complicated just need to read a bit :)
21:52<edbian>Is it the same?
21:53<avu>edbian, awesome is simpler, at least for people who don't already know haskell
21:53<krazykit>they're both tiling
21:53<edbian>FU dpkg! metacity = Second coming of jesus
21:53<ml|>edbian: then xmonad is not for you
21:53<edbian>ml|: Can you suggest a panel to go along with it?
21:53<ml|>no need to know haskell, but does not hurt
21:54<ml|>xmobar or dzen2
21:54<Supaplex>openbox ftw
21:54<edbian>I don't know haskell btw
21:54<ml|>i use xmobar it's works and it's simple
21:54<Supaplex>haskell is the quiet nerdy type.
21:55<ml|>edbian: since you don't want to setup much xmobad will not work for you then
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21:55<edbian>ml|: ooo NOT for me
21:56<edbian>Supaplex: What is openbox like?
21:56-!-Gab [~Noauth_G@host69-149-dynamic.43-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
21:56<ml|>Supaplex: i used openbox before xmonad and really liked it
21:56<avu>I don't know any tiling WM that doesn't require a fair amount of work to set up nicely
21:56<abrotman>xwinman.org
21:56<ml|>avu: not really depends on how much you want out of it
21:56<ml|>brb
21:57<chealer>wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
21:57<Supaplex>!comfort chealer
21:57<dpkg>There, there, chealer. It's OK. I'm here for you.
21:58<chealer>please welcome my new , yet unnamed cat
21:58<Supaplex>hah :)
22:00<ml|>edbian: just wanted to let you know about a great wm xmonad :)
22:00<edbian>ml|: :) thank you
22:01<ml|>edbian: try openbox, but still need to set things up how you like but not as much ass xmonad
22:01<ml|>np
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22:01<edbian>Does compiz not tile?
22:01<ml|>edbian: boot from grml and try them out
22:01<avu>didn't he ask for a /tiling/ WM?
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22:02<ml|>avu: yes you are right but openbox rocks too :)
22:03<ml|>you can use openbox with gnome if you like i found it better than metacity, when i used gnome
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22:09<fidedigno>que mas debhelper
22:09<ml|>!es
22:09<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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22:10<fidedigno>join #debian-es
22:10<fidedigno>help
22:11<ml|>fidedigno: /join #debian-es
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22:14<brennino>I'm going crazy
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22:15<fidedigno>como pregunto en /join #debian-es
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22:16<brennino>I don't want local user to see htdocs file. I want that file can be read from the web, I want that only users of the group developers can write inside htdocs
22:16<ml|>!crazy
22:16<dpkg>you so cuhraaazy, ml|
22:16<brennino>:--)
22:17<edbian>ml|: Did you say you can use openbox with metacity
22:18<edbian>??
22:18<edbian>ml|: Or, rather, openbox with gnome??
22:18<ml|>edbian: replace metacity, openbox is much better in my opion
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22:18<ml|>right
22:19<edbian>ml|: I am currently using compiz. Does openbox tile?
22:19<ml|>but it's gnome with openbox ;)
22:20<ml|>no if you tiling xmonad, awsome, wmii and some others
22:20<edbian>Alwhat?
22:20<edbian>what? *
22:20<ml|>*if you want
22:20<edbian>What is the difference between openbox and metacity then? And can compiz tile or no?
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22:21<fidedigno>Do not think that matters little interface
22:22<ml|>edbian: dunno about compiz ask in #compiz in frenode, openbox is light weight and can configure more than metacity
22:22<edbian>fidedigno: what?
22:22<ml|>edbian: only way to know what you like is by trying them
22:23<ml|>use grml for testing them out
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22:23<edbian>ml|: How do I use openbox? Install it and run openbox --replace?
22:23<avu>openbox is most certainly heavier than metacity
22:23<avu>and it uses XML for its configuration
22:23<ml|>edbian: don't remmeber
22:24<ml|>avu: openbox is not heavier
22:24<Supaplex>openbox is very minimalist
22:24<avu>so is metacity.
22:24<ml|>and xml not hard to configure
22:25<ml|>edbian: read how to do all this in openbox wiki
22:25<fidedigno>hay alguien que hable español
22:25<avu>!es
22:25<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:25<edbian>ok thanks :)
22:25<fidedigno>!es
22:25<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:26<ml|>http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Help:Using_Openbox_in_GNOME
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22:26<fidedigno>no hay mucha ayuda
22:26<ml|>http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Main_Page
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22:28<ml|>edbian: from memory in gdm select gnome-openbox session
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23:16<debian_rocks>hi, can anyone help me configure ip masquerading?
23:16<debian_rocks>i have already set up the host, but i do not know how to set up the clients.
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23:17<debian_rocks2>is anybody here?
23:17<Ouro>you set up the clients the same way that you would without NAT
23:17<snogglethorpe>debian_rocks2: no
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23:18<Ouro>heh
23:18<ml|>wow
23:19<Ouro>what is the state of 1394b support these days? i am hearing that it is "bad" without much justification
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