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00:05<mib_imt04dip>hello
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00:08<wekt>Is there a way to get apt(itude) to not worry about missing Release.gpg signature for packages accessed by the file:// transport?
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00:24<k-man_>what tool do i use to write a .iso to a cd from the command line?
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00:38<wekt>k-man_: wodim . or see rdepends of it.
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00:57<flyboy2112>DCC SEND heyguyslookwhaticando
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01:21<pwcca>i have a question.... i am going though all of my local users on webmin and i notice all of em are using shell /bin/sh what would happen if i change them to /usr/sbin/nologin
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01:23<pwcca>user daemon's home dir is /usr/bin and shell /bin/sh, bin home dir is /bin shell /bin/sh, games is home dir /usr/games and shell /bin/sh
01:24<pwcca>and all of accounts like them are the same
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01:24<leoechevarria>haya
01:25<leoechevarria>people, i'll ask just a question: do you know how to execute a bash script only when the system reboots or halts?
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01:27<pwcca>well i am going though the usr details and they do have the no login checked but having them set to use /bin/sh isnt that a security issue?
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01:29<jm_>pwcca: users will no longer be able to login via interactive methods
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01:30<pwcca>so having them use the bin/sh isnt a security issue?
01:32<pwcca>if i delete the games user would that cause any problems? i dont have x11 installed nor any games
01:33<pwcca>no need for it
01:33<jm_>yes, do not delete it - some packages may need it
01:35<pwcca>ok ty
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01:43<komp4>hai
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02:25<wekt>Does aptitude copy a Packages or Packages.gz file accessed by the file:// transport? Or access it in place? I'm trying to decide whether to compress Packages.gz when I don't need space.
02:26<wekt>What package needs to be reconfigured so that initramfs is built with all kernel modules, not only selected ones?
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02:26<jm_>wekt: initramfs config file specifies this
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02:32<Yoda-BZH`Wk>plop/hi
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02:56<adama26>http://pastebin.ca/1460795
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02:57<adama26>can I get that installed?
02:59<dmoerner>adama26, first thing to do is a aptitude keep-all && aptitude update, then try again
02:59<adama26>I did an update, what's keep-all?
03:00<dmoerner>adama26, well i presume you don't want it to actually remove all of that unused software. if you do, then aptitude purge --purge-unused will get rid of it. if you want to keep it, aptitude keep-all
03:00<dmoerner>other than that you'll have to wait it out, i currently have the same problem
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03:01<dmoerner>libnautilus-extension1 requires the version of nautiilus-image-converter in experimental, so you can either grab it from there or wait until it makes its way to unstable eventually
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03:01<dmoerner>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=529936
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03:03<adama26>thanks
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03:10<unixostamer>hi guys, how can i make iceweasel my default browser??
03:10<unixostamer>debian lenny
03:11<jm_>via alternatives, then there may be some software which doesn't honour it
03:11<unixostamer>what is alternatives? should i download it?
03:12<jm_>man update-alternatives
03:12<unixostamer>can you explain me more detailed please
03:12<jm_>so update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
03:13<unixostamer>cheers, mate! it works
03:14<jm_>mo worries
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03:29<unixostamer>does anybody know why i cant resolve the hostname when i issue this command: wget http://www.getautomatix.com/keys/automatix2.key
03:29<unixostamer>??
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03:33<chealer>unixostamer: <
03:33<streuner__>unixostamer: what kind of DNS do you use?
03:34<chealer>unixostamer: because the DNS is broken
03:34<streuner__>amset:/mnt/usb# ping -c1 getautomatix.com
03:34<streuner__>ping: unknown host getautomatix.com
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03:35<streuner>isnt that dyndns?
03:36<unixostamer>its default DNS
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03:36<unixostamer>ADSL modem's
03:36<streuner>nah, gtautomatix.com use dyndns, IIRC
03:37<jm_>why would you use automatix anywya? isn't that ubuntu crap?
03:37<unixostamer>so how i can install automatix?
03:37<streuner>!automatix
03:37<dpkg>from memory, automatix is a tool which allows a menu-driven installation of 'capabilities', including commercial closed source programs such as Flash plug-in, Adobe Reader, w32codecs (divx, mp3, etc). You SHOULD NOT use it with Debian. Even the Ubuntu Technical Board advises against it. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html
03:37<unixostamer>honestly im newbie to debian worlds
03:37<streuner>so just forget it
03:37<jm_>yeah don't use it
03:37<unixostamer>ok
03:37<streuner>you can install everything without that
03:38<unixostamer>how can improve my fonts?? any suggestions?
03:38<unixostamer>i wanted to install true types with automatix, thou
03:39<Supaplex>!automatix
03:39<dpkg>automatix is, like, a tool which allows a menu-driven installation of 'capabilities', including commercial closed source programs such as Flash plug-in, Adobe Reader, w32codecs (divx, mp3, etc). You SHOULD NOT use it with Debian. Even the Ubuntu Technical Board advises against it. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html
03:39<jm_>install any of the font packages in debian
03:39<unixostamer>i got it
03:39<unixostamer>cheers!
03:39<Supaplex>my bad. :)
03:39<jm_>perhaps you want ttf-mscorefonts-installer
03:39<Supaplex>I just noticed dpkg said that a little earlier. heh.
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03:40<unixostamer>thanks for your help guys!
03:40<Supaplex>np
03:40<unixostamer>i cannot find emerald packages why?
03:41<unixostamer>i need it for compiz
03:41<Supaplex>!tell unixostamer -about search
03:41<unixostamer>i searched, god!
03:41<unixostamer>it didnt give me useful info, thats y im here
03:41<Hideo>yes, we all know Supaplex is god
03:41<unixostamer>i know you are the nicest guys over there
03:42<unixostamer>i believe you help me
03:42<unixostamer>im coming here after googling a bit
03:42<unixostamer>:)
03:42<jm_>emerald is now included in compiz
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03:45<unixostamer>i installed compiz but there's no beryl
03:45<unixostamer>wget http://www.getautomatix.com/keys/automatix2.key
03:45<unixostamer>sorry
03:45<unixostamer>W: Failed to fetch http://debian.beryl-project.org/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found
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03:45<jm_>that is not something #debian can help you with - it's unofficial repository
03:45<unixostamer>ok
03:45<jm_>why not use compiz packages from Debian?
03:47<unixostamer>im searching again
03:48<jm_>it's called compiz, quite surprising!
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03:55<unixostamer>the problem is ive already installed compiz, but there is no emerald
03:55<unixostamer>i downloaded emerald tar but it doesnt compile
03:56<se7en>somebody know how i can check my ppp0 connection uptime via cli?
03:56<jm_>se7en: try pppstatus
03:58<jm_>you are reading some old stuff about compiz
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04:00<nijan>Hello there, it is possible to have mv do not print any error message via options or you can only redirect it to > /dev/null
04:00<nijan>?
04:01<se7en>jm_: knemo network manager has all infos including uptime. so i wounder where knemo gets the infos from
04:02<jm_>se7en: I wouldn't know, perhaps it integrates itself via ppp's up scripts or somesuch, or it checks pppd start time or ...
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04:21<laber_>how i can install some lib which aptitude said that : there is no avaiable install options for this package ,i tried sid in source.list,still get many dependency error...
04:22<jm_>which lib?
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04:22<laber_>gtk2.0_10.0
04:22<jm_>gtk2 lib is libgtk2.0-0
04:23<laber_>gtk2.0-binver-2.10.0
04:24<laber_>when i apt-get install libgtk2.0-0 ,it says it include in gtk2.0-binver-2.10.0
04:25<jm_>there is no such package in debian
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04:37<Maxim>Hi! I'm having some trouble getting ldap to work on my Debian LAMP. I installed the php5-ldap package, restarted apache, but it still doesn't work. Get undefined function on ldap_connect(). Most of my LAMP configuration is "as is", meaning I didn't configure it much from the defautl settings installed after apt-get
04:38<jm_>you probably need to enable LDAP module in php5.ini or whatever
04:40<Maxim>extension=ldap.so is set
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04:41<themill>Maxim: does phpinfo() show that ldap is configured?
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04:42<Maxim>themill: Well, "additional .ini files parsed" does repport parsing /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d/ldap.ini , but I'm not sure that's enough? There is otherwise no mentioning of ldap further on the page.
04:43<Maxim>The contents of ldap.ini is: extension=ldap.so
04:44<Maxim>thought when doing a 'locate ldap.so', it only finds /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_ldap.so and mod_authnz_ldap.so. I tried pointing the extension to mod_ldap.so, but that didn't have any effect..
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04:45<themill>the locate database is unlikely to be up to date if you have only just installed the package
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04:46<Maxim>Ah, ok.. Isn't there a command to force it to update?
04:46<jm_>sure there is :)
04:46<Maxim>jm_: Care to share? ^.^
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04:47<jm_>Maxim: man locate will point you at updatedb - doesn't it?
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04:49<Maxim>jm_: hehe, yeah, sorry :P Thanks :D
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04:49<jm_>which reminds me, I need to install locate too, but probably mlocate instead
04:50<Maxim>Okey, ldap.so is now found in /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/ldap.so, which doesn't seem quite right.. ?
04:50<jm_>looks OK to me
04:50<Maxim>Hmm..
04:50<Maxim>Than why the heck doesn't it work.. >.< :(
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04:51<marceloa>.org
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04:51<Maxim>Should I set the extensions folder in php.ini to anythign special?
04:51<themill>Maxim: is there anything else in the php config that you've been fiddling with?
04:51<Maxim>atm it's on: /var/lib/php5/extensions , which is an empty folder.
04:51<jm_>Maxim: mysql php module is also there and works fine, let me see
04:52<Maxim>themill: I haven't actually done anything in php.ini as far as I can recall.
04:52<themill>the default is extension_dir => /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs
04:53<Maxim>themill: Hmm.. That might explain it xD
04:53<Maxim>I'll try it out
04:53<themill>in fact, that's the compiled-in default in debian -- it's not actually set in the config file at all
04:53<jm_>indeed
04:55<Maxim>omg.. That fixed it.. Wonder how I managed to change the extension dir.. >.< Thanks for all the help, themill and jm_ :D
04:55<Maxim>Well, back to actual productive coding then :P
04:55<themill>happy hacking!
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04:57<TheGramarFreak>My sound card wont work, I cant give a huge amount of info on it, I'm a bit of a noob. it's on a HP Omnibook 6100 laptop
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04:58<jm_>shouldn't a grammar freak spell stuff correctly?
04:58<TheGramarFreak>Yes, I had just noticed that
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04:59<jm_>is the module loaded?
04:59<TheGrammarFreak>what module?
04:59<jm_>for your sound card
04:59<TheGrammarFreak>Well, alsa is there
05:00<TheGrammarFreak>I don't know how to check anything else
05:00<jm_>cat /proc/asound/cards
05:00<TheGrammarFreak>It says --- no soundcards ---
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05:02<TheGrammarFreak>But the card is there, I can see it, and Win 2K finds it allright
05:02<TheGrammarFreak>* all right
05:02<locklace>lspci | grep Audio
05:03<gsimmons>!maestro3
05:03<dpkg>The snd-maestro3 ALSA driver now requires firmware for its operation. Refer to the procedure at http://wiki.debian.org/snd-maestro3 . See also <alsa firmware>.
05:03<gsimmons>TheGrammarFreak: ^^^
05:04<themill>locklace: "lspci -nn | grep Audio" ftw :) Having the PCI-ID is always handy
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05:04<locklace>i was being impressionist
05:05<jm_>or just tell them to go to kmuto hcl page
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05:05<themill>or use judd :)
05:06<locklace>first i've heard of a sound card needing a binary firmware blob though. that's ... interesting
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05:06<TheGrammarFreak>my sound still won't work
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05:08<jm_>did you unmute?
05:08<TheGrammarFreak>of course it's unmuted
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05:09<TheGrammarFreak>Do I need t do all this : http://wiki.debian.org/snd-maestro3 ?
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05:09<jm_>whenever I ask people to verify if everything is unmuted, it feels like I have unleashed an ultimate insult
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05:11<TheGrammarFreak>Indeed, but do I need to follow those instructions?
05:12<themill>Do you have a maestro3 card?
05:12<jm_>obviously not, since some sections are for oldstable
05:12<ml|>jm_: yeah wonder why that is, just check it no need to get insulted, mistakes do occur ;)
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05:14<TheGrammarFreak>You guys have been know to be slightly more helpful. I am new to linux, and I have never had sound card problems before. I don't know what sound card it is, tell me how to find out and I will.
05:15<themill>TheGrammarFreak: [10:02] <locklace> lspci | grep Audio
05:15<OdyX>TheGrammarFreak: type " lspci | grep Audio" in a console
05:15<TheGrammarFreak>Nothing happens
05:16<Kvant>try audio
05:16<TheGrammarFreak>02:03.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1988 Allegro-1 (rev 12)
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05:18<themill>TheGrammarFreak: then yes, you will need to follow the instructions on that page for whichever debian release you are using
05:18<TheGrammarFreak>Cool, thank you
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05:19<themill>TheGrammarFreak: btw just so I can see how our PCIID lookup bot handles these things, can you run that again but make it "lspci -nn | grep audio" and give us the id number at the end? It will look something like [1234:5678]
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05:20<themill>judd pciid 125d:1988
05:21<judd>themill: [125d:1988] is 'ES1988 Allegro-1' from 'ESS Technology' with kernel module 'snd-maestro3' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=125d:1988
05:21<ml|>!beer judd
05:21*dpkg pours a litre of Spaten Pils for judd
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05:21<themill>hmmm.... it'd be nice to be able to cross reference the module name to wiki and/or firmware pages too, wouldn't it?
05:21<niru>libtool: link: `log.lo' is not a valid libtool object
05:21<niru> how to solve this error
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05:22<TheGrammarFreak>What on earth does all that mean?
05:23<ml|>themill: yup it would be nice
05:23<niru>TheGrammarFreak, are you responding to my message
05:23<TheGrammarFreak>niru, no, sorry
05:24<niru>ok
05:24<niru>anybody here can help me?
05:24<niru>I am facing an error since two days did google but did not find the solution
05:25<niru>libtool: link: `log.lo' is not a valid libtool object
05:25<niru> how to solve this error which i got while creating deb package for apache
05:25<themill>ml|: pciid => name and pciid => module can be done with a couple of lookups based on the data that's the pciid db and the kernel modules.pcimap. If someone can supply me with a module => URL mapping then that next step can be done too :)
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05:28<gsimmons>themill: http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/ModuleToWikipageMap
05:28<themill>gsimmons: !!
05:29<ml|>themill: there you go ask and you will receive :)
05:29<TheGrammarFreak>My sound card works
05:29<themill>gsimmons: does that data exist in any other format?
05:30<TheGrammarFreak>Thanks
05:30<themill>!congratulate TheGrammarFreak
05:30<dpkg>Yay TheGrammarFreak, you did it!
05:30<TheGrammarFreak>:D
05:30<TheGrammarFreak>Cheers
05:31<TheGrammarFreak>My faith in linux is restored
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05:35<gsimmons>themill: You can append ?action=raw for the wiki source, otherwise there's DocBook. franklin uses it to generate the DeviceDatabase/{USB,PCI} pages, he'd know more.
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05:42<locklace>judd pciid 1180:0832
05:42<judd>locklace: [1180:0832] is 'R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller' from 'Ricoh Co Ltd' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1180:0832
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05:43<wekt>Where is it documented where the Packages(.gz) files will be sought?
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05:44<wekt>The file:// transport is of interest to me especially now.
05:45<petemc>!own repo
05:45<dpkg>Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./";, or see <reprepro>
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05:47<wekt>petemc: I put it in the root directory of the repository and aptitude said it was an error or problem. My entry looks like this file://usr/local/share/Debian pool main contrib
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05:50<Co_X>dear all... will you tell me... how long debian update take time?
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05:50<Co_X>i've been download DVD 1 of debian installer
05:50<Co_X>will debian update to new version near time?
05:51<wekt>Co_X: depends mainly on how much you have installed and between which versions you update.
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05:51<Co_X>in case that if i burn this ISO DVD will usefull for long time
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05:52<ml|>Co_X: that iso should be good for a while, just update the normal way
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05:53<Co_X>wekt & ml : so... there nothing to loose to burn it?
05:53<Co_X>and if any update in mean totally update, i still able to use it
05:53<ml|>you can download the netinst iso, that will be better with good net connection
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05:54<Co_X>ml : for high speed internet yes... here i am.. no internet that eazy, and here in my office... turtle is faster than my internet :-)
05:55<ml|>lol ok
05:55<Co_X>as your information, i need 2 month to download 1 ISO DVD debian :-)
05:55<ml|>Co_X: in that case that should server you well
05:56<wekt>Co_X: yes, you ill be able to use it offline, though you may have package dependency conflicts with installation of new packages if you install from DVD and did update by internet. You would then have to first downgrade your upgraded packages.
05:56<ml|>debian stable does not change often, just security updates
05:58<Co_X>ml : then... 100% nothing to loose if i burn it ya :-)
05:58<ml|>Co_X: only thing you will miss is an app or two that might not be on that dvd iso, correct
05:59<Co_X>ml: yes.... because, i need to install it at offline computer :-)
05:59<Co_X>no internet.... my own computer at home
05:59<Co_X>:-)
05:59<locklace>Co_X: is it hard to find good net access in jakarta?
06:00<Co_X>and all computer that used at home.....
06:00<ml|>what i meant by debian stable does not change often, is the installer
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06:00<Co_X>locklace : there is lot of internet provider... but i prefer to keep the green to buy my own house first :-)
06:01<ml|>hehe
06:01<ml|>good choice roof over head is better than internet connection :)
06:01<locklace>Co_X: if you have a wireless card, maybe you can just pick up someone else's link
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06:02<locklace>ml|: give me a tarp and an STM-64 any day
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06:02<Co_X>locklace : i've been try it... i live at only some office and cannot find any free wifi :-)
06:03<locklace>Co_X: check out the aircrack-ng package
06:03<Co_X>ml : you right on that, home first :-)
06:03<ml|>locklace: lol, yeah it's kinda hard once you get use to it tho ;)
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06:04<Co_X>locklace : i might buy a dish one day, but, the nearest wifi still over 5 kilometers from my home....
06:04<ml|>move! ;)
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06:06<Co_X>ml : yup, i move... at the office of my friend... before i have a job :-)
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06:11<themill>gsimmons: yeah, I saw the raw format and that looks reasonably parsable with a regexp. It's probably easier to parse that than the docbook source but will ping franklin if I need more ideas. Thanks :)
06:11<gsimmons>np
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06:13<Co_X>then... what is different between Debian 501 and 500? the nearest server at jogjakarta still have debian 500, i download debian 501 directly from debian.com because of the number 501
06:13<Co_X>is that a majow change?
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06:14<Co_X>like winME and winXP that very different?
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06:15<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Co_X -about 5.0.1
06:15<themill>Co_X: it's an update to a few packages. Nothing that major
06:15<ml|>right and also maybe installer
06:16<jm_>typically "just" security updates
06:16<ml|>yup, stable does not change, only security
06:17<Co_X>i see...
06:17<themill>ml|: at each point release, the packages that were updated through security.debian.org are usually updated in the main archive too
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06:18<ml|>themill: yes that's what i meant :)
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06:18<teixeira>hi
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06:19<Co_X>then i don't have to be affraid that soon debian will launch new version then lenny version... :-)
06:19<jm_>unrotunatelly not
06:19<ml|>won't be for a while
06:19<Co_X>:-)
06:19<themill>!wwsr
06:19<dpkg>There is no estimate for the release of <squeeze> currently. Subscribe to <d-d-a> to get news on the subject.
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06:20<ml|>but you should still update from time to time for security reasons
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06:21<Co_X>i see.... always the best answer i have from here :-) thank you for you all the expert :-)
06:21<Co_X>ml : i guess, i will download it if major change only... acording to the turtle speed connection :-)
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06:22<ml|>generally updates for stable should not be very big
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06:24<ml|>after using that dvd for doing installs, you should always update for security reasons
06:25<petemc>less important on a machine with no network access
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06:25<themill>Co_X: you don't need to download the entire DVD again. Either use http/ftp for security updates directly or use something like apt-zip with a usb stick for doing updates on an offline computer. There is also an update DVD image that you can use (download it from the same place).
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06:32<Co_X>thangk you every one... i am going home
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06:56<se7en_>how would i check what packages need a dist-upgrade without being root
06:57<themill>se7en_: aptitude and apt-get both have a "simulate" mode. Check their man pages.
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06:58<se7en_>themill: apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade -s would do that but only as root
06:58<locklace>se7en_: aptitude -s works fine as non-root
06:58<themill>se7en_: the update requires root privileges yes... You need to do that as non-root too?
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07:01<se7en_>themill: i want to let conky check for dist-upgrade packages so yes i need to update my sourceslist as well
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07:02<themill>se7en_: you could just use something like cron-apt to do the update for you automatically.
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07:03<se7en_>:) thanks themill
07:03<asculx>ciao a tutti
07:04<dr|z3d>!it
07:04<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
07:04<themill>se7en_: if you really want conky to be able to do it all itself, then you will have to bastardise apt's config to give it a separate cache area. It's possible but unpleasant.... just use cron-apt :)
07:04<ml|>auto updating is a bad idea, take the time and do it manually whenever you are root or once a week or so and read what aptitude tells you in my opion
07:04<dr|z3d>auto-update's ok if you opt for a safe-upgrade
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07:04<themill>ml|: we're only talking about auto "there are packages *available* for upgrade" notifications here
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07:05<Requiem97>Hello
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07:06<ml|>themill: yes i got that, but still i don't see a need for that, just voicing my opinion
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07:07<asculx>!it
07:07<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
07:08<ml|>dpkg: wb
07:08<dpkg>thanks, ml|. It's good to be back.
07:08<Requiem97>Can someone help me to finish an ircd-hybrid install (their support/forum page is down:s)
07:09<jm_>debian has it packaged
07:10<Requiem97>I already installed it, just want to launch it with the right rights under an user account (no root) seems I have to launch /usr/sbin/ircd-hybrid but it seems it didn't really work well.
07:11<jm_>debian already does this, as user irc
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07:11<Requiem97>ircd-hybrid server sorry xD
07:11<jm_>yes, debian starts it as user irc
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07:12<Requiem97>hm, I "manage" a linux debian server for a small gamers community. I do Debian root apt-get install ircd-hybrid then I have configured .conf and then I'd like to launch it under a "ircadmin" account that I've created, but I can't find the way to launch it, seems to be /usr/sbin/ircd-hybrid but it didn't launch "correctly" :s
07:13<jm_>but why? leave it as debian configures it, it's OK
07:13<jm_>it doesn't run as root
07:13<Requiem97>ok :) just one thing
07:13<Requiem97>how to "start" and "stop" it ?
07:13<jm_>using init script, invoke-rc.d ircd-hybrid start
07:13<jm_>man invoke-rc.d
07:14<Requiem97>ok thanks I will look this way :)
07:14<jm_>no worries
07:14<Requiem97>was trying /usr/sbin/ircd-hybrid stop/start/restart xD
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07:17<Bunnyh>How is one supposed to get a SSL-enabled ircd-hybrid in Debian easily?
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07:18<jm_>did you read README.Debian for the package?
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07:18<jm_>it lists a command to generate a certificate
07:18<starenka>hi, anybody succesfully installed adobe air on amd64 lenny? followed this onstruction set, but getlibs seems to vanish... http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/408/kb408084.html
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07:19<Bunnyh>But does the package support SSL now? It didn't support it the last time I checked, and the time before that...
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07:19<Bunnyh>I've always had to compile it myself with SSL enabled
07:20<locklace>Bunnyh: what does "aptitude show ircd-hybrid" tell you
07:20<locklace>on the other hand, not sure if that was just pasted from upstream
07:21<Bunnyh>The package available by apt doesn't depend on SSL, so I guess it doesn't support it either
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07:22<jm_>in theory it doesn't have to depend on it
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07:23<ml|>it may recommend it tho
07:25<Bunnyh>The ircd-hybrid packages I tried twice before (with many months between the occasions) didn't depend on SSL, and didn't have it compiled in (I tested both times). Don't know about the most current situation though, but at least it clearly didn't support SSL before
07:25<Bunnyh>The package I have manually compiled does depend on SSL directly
07:25<ml|>maybe debian maintainer added ssl to it
07:26<jm_>looking at the code it seems it's really not enabled
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07:27<Bunnyh>Isn't it quite silly to have those lines about SSL certificates in README.Debian, then?
07:27<adb>judd: versions ircd-hybrid
07:27<judd>adb: ircd-hybrid -- etch: 1:7.2.2.dfsg.2-3 lenny: 1:7.2.2.dfsg.2-4 sid: 1:7.2.2.dfsg.2-6 squeeze: 1:7.2.2.dfsg.2-6
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07:29<jm_>yes, there already is a bug filled
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07:30<Bunnyh>Would the right (Debian) way to correct the situation be to add SSL support, to remove mentions about SSL, or to make another package with SSL enabled?
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07:33<pescadito>hollaaa
07:33<pescadito>hableen
07:33<pescadito>holiiç
07:33<pescadito>:):):):)
07:33<dr|z3d>!es
07:33<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:33<ml|>Bunnyh: maybe add your 2 cents to that bug report
07:33<pescadito>E:E::E
07:33<pescadito>nhnhnhnhn
07:34<pescadito>holiiiiiiiiii
07:34-!-mode/#debian [+q pescadito!*@*] by Ganneff
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07:34<MANO>vooooooooooooooo pesacaditooooooooooooooooooo
07:34<MANO>entra pescaditoooooooooooooooo
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07:34<ml|>hmmm
07:35<ml|>a tag team :P
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07:35<te>son pescaditos de mama
07:35<themill>Ganneff: and another one
07:35<te>ACA LLEGO EL TIBURON!!!!
07:35<dr|z3d>"Let's ban Uruguay!"
07:35<ml|>dr|z3d: lol
07:36<dr|z3d>All on the same ip.
07:36<ml|>yeah same guy
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07:36-!-mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
07:36-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@r190-134-169-37.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] by azeem
07:36-!-mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem
07:36<themill>thanks, azeem
07:36<ml|>yeah thanks azeem-work
07:37<ml|>oops
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07:48<dr|z3d>sega: Try !list
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08:18<stuckey_>Hello
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08:18<stuckey>I'm unable to scan with the "scanimage" command; I get " scanimage: sane_read: Operation was cancelled" on the command line when I run "scanimage"
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08:19<gN__Eterm>hi to all, i got a question, how can i install a color scheme in "VIM" i already download the scheme
08:20<ghantoos>gN__Eterm: add it in ~/.vimrc
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08:20<ghantoos>gN__Eterm: e.g. so /usr/share/vim/vim72/syntax/syntax.vim
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08:22<gN__Eterm>ghantoos, i will do that
08:22<jm_>gN__Eterm: you can also put it in ~/.vim/colors for example
08:22<gN__Eterm>i compiled my vim becouse debian got a low version of vim
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08:22<jm_>that's a bad idea
08:23<gN__Eterm>its runing better than the apt packet
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08:23<jm_>if you say so
08:23<gN__Eterm>becouse the last version of vim
08:23<gN__Eterm>its 7.2
08:23<gN__Eterm>and you can easy move with the arrows
08:23<jm_>would be far better to get 7.2 source package from sid and compile it on stable
08:23<jm_>vim has done that for years on linux
08:24<gN__Eterm>thats what i do
08:24<ghantoos>gN__Eterm: squeeze version of vim is 7.2
08:24<gN__Eterm>did*
08:24<ghantoos>gN__Eterm: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/vim
08:25<ml|>judd: versions vim
08:25<judd>ml|: vim -- etch: 1:7.0-122+1etch5 etch-security: 1:7.0-122+1etch5 etch-backports: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2~bpo40+2 lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2 sid: 2:7.2.148-2 squeeze: 2:7.2.148-2
08:25<ghantoos>win 18
08:25<ghantoos>(fail)
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08:26<gN__Eterm>ghantoos, you suggest that i should remove this vim and install the other one?
08:27<ml|>there should be that version of vim in backports.org
08:28<ghantoos>vim-7.2 is available in debian, why compile it when you can apt-get it
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08:28<rudi_s_>ghantoos: Not in lenny.
08:28<gN__Eterm>ghantoos, i downloaded the version and it says 6.2
08:28<gN__Eterm>rudi_s_, thats right
08:29<rudi_s_>gN__Eterm: In lenny it's 7.1.
08:29<gN__Eterm>¬¬
08:29<ml|>gN__Eterm: have looked for it on backports.org
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08:31<gN__Eterm>You have searched for packages that names contain vim in suite(s) lenny-backports, all sections, and all architectures.
08:31<gN__Eterm>Sorry, your search gave no results
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08:32<gN__Eterm>well i come back soon gtg to work
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08:33<stuckey>Could anyone here help me with my scanner problem?
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08:34<adb>stuckey: worked before ?
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08:34<stuckey>adb: it's never worked before
08:35<stuckey>I run "scnaimage" and I get "scanimage: sane_read: Operation was cancelled"
08:35<stuckey>adb: I posted what I see in /var/log/syslog at https://answers.launchpad.net/hplip/+question/74176
08:36<adb>never used scanner
08:36<OdyX>stuckey: try xsane
08:37<stuckey>OdyX: that's just a gui front end to sane, isn't it?
08:37<OdyX>stuckey: in fact.
08:37<OdyX>stuckey: are you in the "scanner" group ?
08:37<stuckey>OdyX: Yes, and I'm in lp group also
08:38<OdyX>what does sane-find-scanner answer ?
08:38<stuckey>you've got to be shitting me
08:38<OdyX>huh ?
08:39<stuckey>OdyX: It worked!
08:39<OdyX>how ?
08:39<stuckey>OdyX: Using xsane worked... I can't believe this. I've been screwing with this fucking thing for days... and all I had to do was install xsane????
08:39<OdyX>ask the right persons ! (aka not proprietary Launchpad)
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08:40<ml|>!congratulate stuckey
08:40<dpkg>Good show stuckey, you did it!
08:40<ml|>!beer OdyX
08:40*dpkg pulls out a fine Bornem Tripple for OdyX
08:40<OdyX>cool
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08:41<stuckey>Okay now I'm going to have to know why exactly this thing works with xsane installed and not without it.
08:41<stuckey>If it's just a gui front end, this doesn't make sense.
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08:43<stuckey>OdyX: wait... nevermind, it stopped working now. It scaned once perfectly but now it says something like "failed... error during device I/0"
08:43<herard>good morning acesor
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09:07<simNIX>when I've build a jail with debootstrap I can run programs in it - this works .. I wonder if there's a way to have in the jail a line in inittab to restart a program if it dies somehow ? - I asume not since init is not runnig in the jail ?
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09:10<stuckey>How do I convert a .pnm to pdf or ps?
09:10<locklace>if init isn't running then relying on it to restart things won't work very well
09:11<simNIX>tru but then how to be sure in a jail something is runnig and restarted if needed ?
09:11<jm_>there are tools that can monitor and restart applications
09:12<simNIX>bike daementools ... but that runs from init
09:12<simNIX>like
09:12<simNIX>ill have a dig around freshmeat
09:12<jm_>debian has them too
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09:13<simNIX>any names you are aware of ?
09:13<simNIX>I wonder if that monitorig program is run from a rc script what wil hapen if supervising prog dies ...
09:13<simNIX>.. I asume any monitoring prog wil have this prob ...
09:14<simNIX>... if not ran from init
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09:15<jm_>monit
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09:15<simNIX>but what if monit dies, how wil it get restarted ?
09:16<jm_>what if kernel dies then?
09:16<simNIX>what that for comparising ?
09:16<simNIX>kernel wil chash sstem
09:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 424] by debhelper
09:17<simNIX>normaly I would put important services started through init
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09:17<simNIX>but cant in a jail
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09:17<simNIX>*nittab
09:17<simNIX>*inittab
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09:22<eeeuser>Does anyone know when scilab 5.1 moves into squeeze? Scilab 5.03 was packaged on October 2008..
09:22<stuckey>OdyX: okay it's working again
09:22<eeeuser>Squeeze is still at 4.1
09:23<jm_>eeeuser: and sid?
09:23<avu>eeeuser, check the PTS
09:23<eeeuser>Sid is at 5.1.1
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09:23<themill>!why is scilab not in testing
09:23<dpkg>scilab is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=scilab
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09:24<stuckey>!why is spring not in stable
09:24<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, stuckey
09:24<stuckey>damn
09:24<sseering>hi, i want to dowload the last 10 consecutive versions of package X but i dont know which versions existed, is there an fancy command for apt-get/aptitude/dpkg to show me an kind of version history ?
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09:25<OdyX>sseering: it _was_ snapshots.debian.net but RIP
09:25<themill>sseering: you could try using dpkg-parsechangelog for that, but you won't find all those versions in the archive and some may never have been uploaded to debian at all anyway
09:26<OdyX>sseering: depending on the package, its Debian packaging is sometimes handled in a VCS...
09:26<eeeuser>themill: So If i am reading this right, the only blocker is librefblas3?
09:27<sseering>well thanks ill try dpkg-parsechangelog
09:27<themill>eeeuser: err... where are you reading that?
09:27<eeeuser>On the link you provided. "librefblas3 is not in debian"
09:27<themill>eeeuser: odd... I don't see that at all at that URL
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09:28<eeeuser>Exact phrase: librefblas3-dev is not available in Debian
09:28<eeeuser>Sorry: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=scilab;printalldeps=1
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09:29<eeeuser>Sorry I neglected to say that I clicked "Show All Dependencies"
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09:29<themill>eeeuser: no, that shouldn't be the problem -- that it has failed to build on several architectures is more likely the problem
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09:30<themill>!dbugs 529198
09:30<dpkg>#529198:S[scilab] scilab: fails to upgrade - trying to overwrite files from other packages (); Sun, 17 May 2009 23:27:01 UTC []
09:30<themill>eeeuser: ^^ also that
09:31<eeeuser>I see.
09:33<Flakk>Hi people, I have just installed lenny, and there is one feature of GNOME etch which I can not retrieve. Namely, in gnome etch, when I ran many applications at the same time, say 12 terminals and 20 iceweasel windows, they were stored nicely on the panel, arranged according to their type, like: terminal (10), Iceweasel(20) etc. Now they are just all present in the bottom panel, each of 30 occupying its small millimeter of space, and t
09:33<Flakk>his is inconvenient since I can not see what is where... Any help?
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09:33<chantanito>hello
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09:35<eeeuser>Sorry for a dumb question, but I assume *all* arches must build succesfully before moving to testing?
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09:36<jk_>ciao
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09:37<jk_>ciao
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09:38<wooj>So is this story about Debian including freakin' MONO in the default install in squeeze true?
09:38<wekt>eeeuser: true
09:39<eeeuser>wekt: thanks. I note that the S390 build looks OK, but gets cut short for taking too long...
09:39<sseering>hmm dpkg-parsechangelog dosent help, is there another way to show the last 10 consecutive versions of a package (version history) ?
09:39<eeeuser>JOGL is a PITA.
09:42<wekt>wooj: beagle is mono. does squeeze install beagle?? check the gnome and kde tasks.
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09:42<themill>sseering: dpkg-parsechangelog -c10 | sed -n 's/ packagename (\(.*\)).*/\1/p'
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09:42<wooj>wekt, beats me. The story I read is that something called Tomboy is being included in the default desktop install, and that means mono too.
09:43<wooj>since its a dependancy
09:43<dr|z3d>Tomboy is the main thing that requires mono.. there's also gnome-do.
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09:43<dr|z3d>Tomboy is an advanced note taking app. gnote is similar, but doesn't require mono.
09:43<wooj>If I'm hearing you right then it ALREADY was included, so why the story about it now?
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09:43<eeeuser>Sorry for chiming in: Is gnote not sufficiently stable?
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09:44<dr|z3d>No idea, eeeuser, never used it.
09:44<themill>wooj: so what? mono is a library -- the more things that use it as a common library in the default install the better -- perhaps we should just rewrite a whole lot of other apps so that they also use mono. After all, libraries are at their best when they are shared between a lot of apps.
09:44<sseering>thanks themill
09:44<dr|z3d>mono is derived from .net. Some folk hate MS, ergo they'll hate mono regardlessof its benefits.
09:45<wooj>themill, if even RedHat wont include it by default because of its license, why on earth would debian?
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09:45<wekt>themill: mono is a platform defined by Microsoft. MS acknoledged that they do not grant rights to patents to users of mono
09:45<themill>wooj: RHEL does lots of strange things that I don't like. That's why I use debian and not redhat.
09:45<helmut>Hi. kde upgrade 3.5 -> 4.2 broke korganizer. Is there a way to get birthdays from kaddressbook in korganizer again?
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09:46<themill>wekt: I presume you strip fat32 support out of your kernels too
09:46<helmut>(kaddressbook seems to store its data in a std.vcf file, but I cannot import that in korganizer)
09:46<themill>wekt: and that you don't use any form of calendering program. Or an mp3 encoder or decoder. Or anything more complicated than helloworld.c, in fact.
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09:47<themill>helmut: #debian-kde will know more about kde 4.2 -- you might do better there.
09:47<helmut>themill: thanks
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09:48<wekt>themill: It's true I don't use MP3. I use FLAC and Ogg Vorbis.
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09:49<wekt>helmut : starting with KDE 4.2.4 , the .vcf files are no longer used.
09:49<Flakk>Hi people, I have just installed lenny, and there is one feature of GNOME etch which I can not retrieve. Namely, in gnome etch, when I ran many applications at the same time, say 12 terminals and 20 iceweasel windows, they were stored nicely on the panel, arranged according to their type, like: terminal (10), Iceweasel(20) etc. Now they are just all present in the bottom panel, each of 30 occupying its small millimeter of space, and t
09:49<Flakk>his is inconvenient since I can not see what is where... Any help?
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09:50<sseering>is there a debian respository containing older version of packages? i got the last 10 verion-strings of the package and want do get the *.deb-files
09:50<themill>sseering: [14:25] <OdyX> sseering: it _was_ snapshots.debian.net but RIP
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09:53<themill>sseering: basically, no.
09:53<eeeuser>Flakk: See if gconf-editor can help you.
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09:53<eeeuser>I don't use gnome, so I can't tell you the answer.
09:54<Flakk>eeeuser: thanks, i will try. what do you use then?
09:55<berto>Flakk: click with the right button, then select properties
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09:55<Flakk>berto: click WHERE?
09:55<eeeuser>XFCE.
09:55<llutz>Flakk: right-click on panel - properties - group windows - always group
09:56<berto>Flakk: on the separator which is next to the window list
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09:56<llutz>Flakk: there should be a small vertical item left of the window-list, click there
09:57<Flakk>OH great ! thanks berto - it works. The point is that right-click on the panel does not give it, it is really the SEPARATOR
09:57<Flakk>llutz-= yes!
09:57<berto>Flakk: yes, because the window list is an applet contained in the panel
09:58<berto>and has its own preferences
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09:58<linduxed>ive got a server that some people log into with samba (windows laptop). i wanted to setup a VPN in some way so the network is accessible from other places than the immediate vicinity of the server.
09:58<linduxed>is there a good tutorial on this and do people have some general pointers on how to do this?
09:58<berto>(and can be removed if you want)
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09:59<Flakk>that is fine, it works, i just must say that i never would guess it! google and gnome manuals did not help either.
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09:59<berto>linduxed: I think openvpn is probably the easiest one to set up
10:00<linduxed>berto: do they have some general guides on setting it up?
10:00<berto>the package includes a sample config file, and I think there are howto's out there
10:00<berto>also, if you use gnome, network manager has built-in support
10:01<linduxed>berto: will check that out then
10:01<berto>linduxed: install the package and see /usr/share/doc/openvpn/examples/
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10:04<eraserhead>braziu
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10:10<stuckey>How do set a default printer?
10:11<stuckey>I just get lpr: Error - no default destination available.
10:11<stuckey>Everytime I try to print something.
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10:13<ffws>stuckey: set printer name with -P, makes not a default printer but it works...
10:14<ffws>stuckey: you can set a default printer in cups
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10:15<stuckey>there's also a file you can edit somewhere but I forgot where
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10:22<ffws>stuckey: you don't like the cups interface don't you?
10:23<stuckey>Nah it's okay
10:23<llutz>stuckey: lpadmin -d <printer>
10:23<stuckey>When using this command, # resize2fs /dev/vg_blah/lv_blah 9G, does 9G stand for the size the filesystem will become, or the ammount by which it shall be reduced?
10:24<llutz>".. The size parameter specifies the requested new size of the filesystem. ..."
10:25<stuckey>Perhaps it was the way it was written...
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10:49<skimp1>how do I get this http://live.gnome.org/GnomeBluetooth
10:49<skimp1>im on gnome debian, and want to get my bluetooth mouse working
10:49<skimp1>Im in terminal and cant find gnomebluetooth
10:50<petemc>probably you need to be running gnome to use gnomebluetooth
10:50<petemc>(at a guess)
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10:51<skimp1>my boyfriend set all this up, but yea It is gnome
10:51<skimp1>but nowhere in the menu is gnome bluetooth
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10:52<petemc>aptitude install gnome-bluetooth
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10:59<skimp1>ahh, ive got gnome-bluetooth installed now, cant figure out getting the mouse to work though heh
11:00<skimp1>its not launching the same app there running
11:00<skimp1>bluetooth file sharing, bluetooth analyzer, and bluetooth in preferences menu was added
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11:02<petemc>skimp1: http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser , see if theres any helpful info there
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11:02<petemc>or even better http://wiki.debian.org/HOWTO/BluetoothMouse
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11:04<herard>Hi
11:05<herard>please if daniel connect ?
11:05<herard>is daniel connect?
11:06<petemc>herard: learn how to use your irc client
11:06<ffws>skimp1: this howto works with new bluez version: http://sidux.com/index.php?module=pnWikka&tag=hwBluetooth
11:06<bja>herard: Have you tried e-mail?
11:06<skimp1>k ill check them out
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11:06<herard>Daniel I want to tell you I will came at twelve today
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11:07<herard>I am not tired with e-mail
11:07<petemc>you were at this shit last week too
11:08<bja>herard: Can you take a message? I hope so
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11:09<Zathraz>I can connect to firebird db as SYSDBA, but when I add a host to the connectionstring (even localhost) I get access denied. Any pointers please?
11:09<herard>ok
11:09<Zathraz>runs via xinetd and port 3050 is active, so it seems ok
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11:16<skimp1>ok, im reading the wiki, ( http://wiki.debian.org/HOWTO/BluetoothMouse ) and it wants me to go into etc/default/bluetooth and change hidd_enables from 0 to 1
11:17<ffws>skimp1: which bluez version?
11:17<skimp1>I went through my filesystem, opened the bluetooth word file in abiword, changed it, and it wont let me save, it has a writing error
11:17<skimp1>hmm not sure, whichever the newest is that it installed defaultly
11:17<ffws>skimp1: apt-cache policy bluez
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11:18<skimp1>unable to locate package bluez
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11:19<skimp1>ahh isnt there a way to open a word file in terminal?
11:19<skimp1>and edit it
11:20<ffws>skimp1: you have to edit the file as root, not normal user
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11:21<skimp1>how do I do that.. ive forgotten
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11:23<ml|>skimp1: do you have the root paswword?
11:23<skimp1>yea
11:23<skimp1>i know how to get into root in terminal
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11:23<ml|>su
11:23<skimp1>im in root in terminal
11:23<skimp1>..
11:23<skimp1> now i need to open etc/default/bluetooth
11:23<ml|>oh
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11:24<skimp1>in root
11:24<ml|>use nano or vim
11:25<OdyX>use nano...
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11:26<skimp1>im in nano
11:26<skimp1>now waht heh
11:26<skimp1>how do i get bluetooth file opened in it
11:26<ml|>nano /etc/default/bluetooth
11:28<bja>as root
11:28<skimp1>alrighty! got it changed how i need it
11:28<skimp1>how to save now...
11:29<ml|>look at the bottom
11:29<skimp1>^X exit
11:29<skimp1>how do you enter ^X ?
11:29<ml|>control
11:29<ml|>X
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11:29<skimp1>k
11:29<skimp1>that will ask to save right?
11:29<ml|>yes
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11:30<skimp1>ok
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11:30<skimp1>on with my wiki!
11:30<ml|>gl
11:31<skimp1>dont go far =o
11:31<ml|>sry have no idea on your bluetooth issue
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11:33<skimp1>mouse is working!
11:33<bja>!win skimp1
11:33<dpkg>Congratulations, skimp1! You have won the US presidency!
11:33<ml|>!congratulate skimp1
11:33<dpkg>Good show skimp1, you did it!
11:33<ml|>bja: :P
11:33<bja>:)
11:33<skimp1>yeyeyeyayya!
11:33<skimp1>ok one more thing
11:34<skimp1>you think there is a way to change the mouse speed on this logitech mouse, and have a diff mouse speed set for touchpad?
11:34<bja>skimp1: touchpad is configured seperatly on xorg.conf from the normal mouse,
11:35<bja>skimp1: its a matter of setting the right parameters for your mouse
11:35<ml|>check gnome for gui to set that up
11:35<bja>skimp1: lots of info on "man synaptics"
11:36<skimp1>that all made no sense!
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11:36<skimp1>i need to turn down mouse speed just a tad, but leave touchpad where it is
11:37<ml|>skimp1: using gnome?
11:37<skimp1>yes
11:37<skimp1>system > preferences > mouse doesnt give those options
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11:38<ml|>ah, then follow bja advice
11:38<skimp1>bja, is that very hard?
11:38<bja>skimp1: trial and error
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11:39<bja>skimp1: It's not hard at all, maybe you will have to read an extra man page or so , but it is achievable by anyone willing to do it
11:40<skimp1>ok going to look into it
11:40<skimp1>thanks for yalls help !
11:40<skimp1>alot!
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11:46<ml|>bja: how is zsh working out for you?
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11:46<bja>ml|: great, although sometimes I'm inteligent enough to freez it :)
11:47<bja>ml|: a simple ctr-c will make it work again he he
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11:47<ml|>bja: lol :)
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11:56<stuckey>Hello
11:56<stuckey>I just resized a 568G file system with the "lvreduce -L -18G
11:56<stuckey>" command, and now df shows the filesystem as being 548G...
11:57<stuckey>but 568-18 = 550...
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11:57<stuckey>Could anyone explain this? Have I lost data?
11:57<bzed>stuckey: did you resise the filesystem first?
11:57<stuckey>I did resize2fs ... 550G first.
11:57<bzed>s/sise/size/
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11:58<bzed>did you run df as root?
11:58<stuckey>yes
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11:58<stuckey>Wait.. sorry... it's actually 542G not 548G
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11:58<bzed>probably metadata and the journal
11:58<stuckey>But I suppose that's just as bad...
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11:59<bzed>e2fschk will tell you
11:59<stuckey>Have I hosed this disk?
11:59<stuckey>Okay, I run this now
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11:59<asterisc>I installed Lenny on my Dell, and grub somehow messed up my windows partition. I have the grub menu option to boot Windows, but I get: "no such partition"
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12:00<asterisc>how can I fix that?
12:00<stuckey>asterisc: Post /etc/fstab
12:00<ml|>dpkg: tell asterisc about fixmbr
12:00<ml|>dpkg: tell asterisc about grub
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12:01<asterisc>http://pastebin.com/f71796b88
12:03<ml|>dpkg: tell asterisc about dual boot guide
12:03<cahoot>asterisc: your menu.lst would probably be of more interest
12:03<stuckey>asterisc: You've probably just got the partition names wrong in grub. Do you have any more error output?
12:03<asterisc>no, that's the only error I get: "no such partition"
12:03<asterisc>I can paste the grub.cfg as well
12:03<cahoot>grub.cfg?
12:04<petemc>grub2
12:04<stuckey>While grub is being spoken about, could anyone tell me how to edit the entries in the menu?
12:04<asterisc>http://pastebin.com/f1e52b33f
12:04<petemc>stuckey: vim /boot/grub/menu.lst
12:05<stuckey>For some reason I thought it was more complicated than that.
12:05<phota>asterisc: probably change line 61 to set root=(hd0,1)
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12:06<asterisc>isn't /dev/sda1 = hd0,1 ?
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12:06<asterisc>I mean, hd0,0
12:06<phota>yes that would be your windows partition
12:06<stuckey>Why do you need a window partition anyway?
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12:06<phota>i have experience that same problem before
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12:07<asterisc>Photoshop CS4 isn't supported by wine :((
12:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 439] by debhelper
12:07<stuckey>Oh, so you do graphics or something.
12:07<asterisc>yeah, photography
12:07<stuckey>Then you're justified.
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12:07<petemc>its not really anyones business why someone wants a windows partition
12:08<ml|>asterisc: tried using that in vm
12:08<stuckey>petemc: Microsoft's
12:08<petemc>and certainly no one needs to justify themselves
12:08<asterisc>I'm a big Linux fan... I'm running linux for the last 4 years... but I just started with Debian
12:08<stuckey>They make it their business :)
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12:08<stuckey>petemc: No one needs to justify themselves? Ever? Or just in installing windows?
12:08<asterisc>ml|: I tried that, but isn't an easy job to install vmware in debian sid :)
12:08<petemc>stuckey: to you, for using windows
12:08<stuckey>petemc: Why?
12:09<ml|>asterisc: there is kvm abd vbox
12:09<ml|>*and
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12:09<petemc>stuckey: that should be obvious
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12:09<stuckey>bzed: http://paste.debian.net/39169/
12:09<asterisc>ml|: do they work with vmware images? Or you can create an image of windows inside them?
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12:09<stuckey>petemc: Why should it be obvious?
12:09<manunana89>hello
12:10<petemc>stuckey: im going to stop talking to you now
12:10<stuckey>And perhaps more importantly, is IT *justified* in being obvious?
12:10<ml|>asterisc: not shure, but you make a new one, fresh install etc
12:10<locklace>!slap stuckey
12:10*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across stuckey's face
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12:10<stuckey>locklace: Hey... you don't slap a man, okay?
12:11*stuckey challenges locklace to a duel.
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12:11<locklace>i choose dpkg as my champion
12:11<ml|>hah
12:11<asterisc>oh guys, and another thing. I went for sid and kde4, but for some reason, the sound isn't going very smoothly (works in kmix, but is not working in amarok)
12:12<asterisc>I use alsa, and I have a standard dell inspiron 6400
12:12<bja>dpkg: nuke stuckey
12:12*dpkg fires an 80 teraton thermonuclear weapon at stuckey
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12:12<ml|>asterisc: you ask in #debian-kde also
12:12<weasel>.oO( shouldn't that be thermonucular these days? :)
12:12*bja sees a nice mushroom rise on a beatiful sunset
12:12<asterisc>ml|: I'll do that, thanks!
12:13<ml|>lol 80 teraton ;)
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12:13<bja>have to keep up with the times ;P
12:14<ml|>watch this ...
12:14<ml|>!nuke ml|
12:14*dpkg fires a 100 petaton thermonuclear weapon at ml|
12:14<ffws>asterisc: which sound backend are you using?
12:14<ml|>hah 100 petaton :)
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12:14<asterisc>ffws: GStreamer
12:15<asterisc>also, no sound in Iceweasel
12:15<ffws>asterisc: try xine, works like a charm here
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12:15<stuckey>bzed: did you see my post?
12:15*bja fines ml| for breaking the Geneva convention on thermonuclear weaponry
12:15<ffws>asterisc: phonon-backend-xine
12:15<asterisc>let me give it a try
12:15<ml|>hehe
12:16<bja>:)
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12:20<stuckey>I just resized a 568G file system with the "lvreduce -L -18G
12:20<stuckey>17:55 < stuckey> " command, and now df shows the filesystem as being 548G...
12:21<stuckey>Sorry, that should be, it shows it as being 548G
12:21<stuckey>shit
12:21<stuckey>542G
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12:21<weasel>stuckey: you don't resize file systems with lvreduce.
12:21<weasel>stuckey: you resize block devices with lvreduce
12:21<weasel>stuckey: chances are you just broke your filesystem
12:21<weasel>maybe you should read the fscking manpage
12:21<stuckey>I've pasted result of e2fsck here: http://paste.debian.net/39169/
12:22<weasel>e2fsck doesn't help you when have the blocks from your filesystem are no longer there
12:22<weasel>probably e2fsck just broke it further
12:22<weasel>s/have/half/
12:22<ocolor>hi all - bit of a iptables/routing problem on my lenny firewall box. trying to ping the ip on eth2 from an external machine - viewing iptables the packet goes through the prerouting tables in nat and mangle (I added rules with a target of return to look for this) but it does not reach the input chains of either the forward or input filter - it is lost silently during the routing decision phase - any suggestions anyone?
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12:22<stuckey>weasel: I did resize2fs /dev/vg_blah/lv_blah 9G, and then lvreduce -L -1G /dev/vg_blah/lv_blah
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12:22<stuckey>weasel: After umounting and running e2fsck.
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12:23<weasel>did you resize it to 9g before the first lvreduce?
12:23<stuckey>weasel: Wrong numbers... I resized it to 550G
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12:24<stuckey>weasel: And then did lvreduce ... 18G (because df showed it before the resize as a 568G)
12:24<stuckey>568-18 = 550
12:24<stuckey>But after running those commands it shows it as being 542G
12:24<weasel>so?
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12:24<weasel>filesystem overhead etc
12:24<stuckey>weasel: This isn't a problem?
12:24<stuckey>weasel: 8 gigs???
12:24<weasel>*shrugs*
12:25<weasel>ext3 has 4kb blocks. and it doesn't use extends.
12:25<weasel>and then there's the reserved space
12:25<weasel>or maybe it's base 2 vs base 10. who knows
12:26<stuckey>weasel: So this is normal?
12:26<weasel>wouldn't worry be
12:26<weasel>wouldn't worry me
12:26<weasel>my typing is horrible today
12:26<stuckey>Are there other filesystems that make more efficient use of the drive?
12:26<stuckey>I mean, I'm missing like 50GB with this drive.
12:27<weasel>your numbers are weird
12:27<weasel>where do those 50gigs come from again?
12:27<jrabbit>stuckey: what are your options?
12:27<weasel>(also, xfs, ext4, jfs maybe. if you trust them.)
12:28<dr|z3d>Ext4 is apparently come good of late.
12:28<dr|z3d>s/is/has
12:28<jrabbit>I wouldn't use ext4 without a newer kernel.
12:28<weasel>I trust it when they say the same in 5 years
12:28<jrabbit>the fsync debacle has improved in the kernel
12:28*dr|z3d chuckles.
12:28<ml|>lol
12:28<jrabbit>my fucking testing kernel is a year old
12:29*jrabbit shakes fist
12:29<weasel>and yes, you probably want .30 with ext4.
12:29<themill>jrabbit: siyh...
12:29<jrabbit>:P
12:29<jrabbit>If no one complains theres no pressure to fix all the things that break on the newer kernels
12:29<stuckey>Okay I think the 50gb was exaggerated... but still it's a lot
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12:30<weasel>stuckey: come back when your numbers don't come out of a bad RNG
12:30<stuckey>RNG?
12:30<weasel>I'm sure you'll find out, if you really care
12:30<stuckey>!RNG
12:30<dpkg>from memory, rng is the random number god, sacrifice to this if you often play RPG's or are using Windows
12:30<ml|>haha
12:30<weasel>ick
12:30<weasel>dpkg: forget rng
12:30<dpkg>i forgot rng, weasel
12:31<xemacs4321>awwwwwww that was cute one
12:31<ml|>yeah why remove it
12:31<weasel>to start with, it's wrong.
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12:31<weasel>give it the correct answer and you can also add the fun-stuff, if you want.
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12:32<themill>If people wanted the correct answer, they'd use wikipedia. Oh... wait...
12:33<ml|>hah
12:33<cahoot>like Bing?
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12:33<bwen>I'm using RewriteRule in a <Directory> and for some reason if I put a * in the Directory path the pattern of the RewriteRule is matched again the absolute path of the file system and not the URL. Any ideas?
12:34<dr|z3d>bwen: #apache on freenode.
12:34<bja>!RNG
12:34<dpkg>it has been said that rng is Random Number Generator usefull for Crypto and some other stuff also rng is the random number god, sacrifice to this if you often play RPG's or are using Windows
12:34<bwen>oups
12:34<bja>weasel: is that ok?
12:34<weasel>you're german?
12:34<bja>nop
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12:34<weasel>useful only has one l :)
12:34<bja>But i do read it
12:35<bja>ok 1 sec
12:35<weasel>bja: and don't tell dpkg the things in one big hunk.
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12:35<weasel>bja: there are two facts, teach it both of them, don't add the "also" yourself
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12:36<bja>weasel: ok but it won't let me erase it now :(
12:36*weasel goes to look
12:36<dr|z3d>bja: try forget <factoid>
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12:36<ml|>A random number generator (often abbreviated as RNG) is a computational or physical device designed to generate a sequence of numbers or symbols that lack any pattern, i.e. appear random. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_number_generator <--- how about this one
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12:37<bja>dr|z3d: someone allready did it thx
12:37<dr|z3d>bja: If you wish to correct a factoid, prefix your correction with "no, <factoid> is
12:37<weasel>!rng
12:37<dpkg>from memory, rng is short for Random Number Generator, or the random number god, sacrifice to the RNG if you often play RPGs
12:38<bja>weasel: thanks for that :)
12:38<bja>dr|z3d: writing it down for future reference
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12:40<stuckey>ml|: I like it
12:41<stuckey>ml|: But the part about sacrifices and windows should stay.
12:41<ml|>heh
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12:41<weasel>well, you don't get a vote.
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12:42<stuckey>I thought them there Jim Crow laws done been done away with. I still aint gonna` get to vote?
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12:52<stuckey>So i'm trying to install another operating system on another partition, but when I started the partition manager it doesn't show up any free space
12:53<stuckey>But I just created free space by reducing the size of an lvm...
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12:56<stuckey>Do I need to run mkfs to create a filesystem on the free space? That was just a guess...
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12:56<weasel>are you sure you have *unpartitioned* disk space anywhere?
12:57<stuckey>Yes
12:57<weasel>how do you know?
12:57<stuckey>I made it by reducing the size of my lvm
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12:57<stuckey>I was 568 and now it's 542
12:57<weasel>stuckey: that doesn't make free unpartitioned disk space.
12:57<stuckey>weasel: oops
12:57<weasel>that space is still in the vg.
12:57<weasel>there's just no lv claiming it
12:57<stuckey>okay so how do I get some free space to install something on ?
12:58<stuckey>Sorry, I'm new to logical volumes.
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12:59<JohnNy64>Is it somehow possible to find out which version of a package is part of which repository branch (e. g. testing, unstable...) in aptitude?
12:59<weasel>JohnNy64: apt-cache policy?
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13:00<JohnNy64>Hm, so it is not possible to see it in the aptitude GUI?
13:00<weasel>I wouldn't know
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13:03<stuckey>weasel: Do you know how to make usable space?
13:03<weasel>not in any way I can sanely relay to you on IRC
13:03<bja>what happende to the fgi command?
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13:03<bja>what happend to the fgi command?
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13:04<cahoot>tried google?
13:04<dr|z3d>!fgi bja test
13:04<dpkg>bja: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=test
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13:04<dr|z3d>bja: Nothing, apparently.
13:05<stuckey>Can anyone here tell me how I can remove some space from a logical volume and use it as free space?
13:05<stuckey>I did resize2fs, and then lvreduce,
13:05<stuckey>and show the volume shows up as being smaller... but I don't have any free space showing up in the partition editor.
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13:08<ml|>stuckey: have you read the lvm how to?
13:09<stuckey>ml|: where is this?
13:09<ml|>dpkg: tell stuckey about lvm
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13:14<stuckey>ml|: I'm not sure what I'm looking for
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13:14<ml|>stuckey: it clearly says lvm how to
13:15<stuckey>I don't understand
13:15<stuckey>I reduced it
13:15<stuckey>but there's still not fres space?
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13:16<ml|>stuckey: i dunno was just suggesting you read a bit you might the answer faster this way
13:16<ml|>*find
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13:16<weasel>stuckey: you didn't make the *vg* any smaller.
13:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 432] by debhelper
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13:17<weasel>stuckey: I don't know if you can resize *pv*s, but one way to make a *vg* smaller is to remove *pv*s from it. not sure if your setup allows for that tho.
13:17<stuckey>weasel: How do I find out what to do?
13:17<weasel>reading the LVM howto is probably a good idea. clearly you have no idea what this LVM thing is about
13:18<stuckey>nope, no idea
13:18<stuckey>i just want some damn free space
13:19<stuckey>and I thought this lvm thing was easy to use
13:19<ml|>hehe
13:19<weasel>and I want a pony
13:19<weasel>and users with clue
13:19<weasel>I suppose the poney is the easy part
13:19<ml|>lol
13:19<dkr>the linux virtual machine is easy to use!
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13:19<themill>!pony weasel
13:19*dpkg gives weasel a pony
13:20<ml|>:0
13:20<weasel>:)
13:20<jrabbit>I can install debian on a GPT disk fine right?
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13:21<ffws>jrabbit: yes, but you need grub2 or elilo
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13:23<stuckey>Can anyone here help me with logical volumes? I'm trying to create some free space from one of my volumes, but I have no idea how to start with this
13:23<stuckey>I'm reading this how to guide but it doesn't say anything about creating free space
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13:25<jrabbit>stuckey: so you want to shrink one disk right?
13:25<jrabbit>and grow another?
13:26<stuckey>jrabbit: If that is what it means to create some free space. I want to make some free space to use to install another OS
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13:26<jrabbit>So you want non partitioned space?
13:26<jrabbit>right?
13:27<stuckey>I suppose so, yes.
13:27<jrabbit>stuckey: do you know if the OS you want to install needs to be a primary partition?
13:27<jrabbit>iirc you only get 4 priamary partitions
13:27<stuckey>jrabbit: it's ubuntu
13:27<jrabbit>your logical volumes probably only count as one...
13:27<jrabbit>ah ubuntu doesn't need one
13:27<stuckey>jrabbit: if so, then I've only got one primary partition right now
13:27<jrabbit>Yep you're fine to install it when theres space
13:28<jrabbit>I'd suggest making it so you don't put in a swap partition
13:28<stuckey>I did resize2fs, and then lvreduce on the logical voume
13:28<jrabbit>ok
13:28<jrabbit>Did that get you free space on disk?
13:28<stuckey>Now it's 542 (it was 568)
13:28<stuckey>jrabbit: no free space shows up in partitioner
13:28<jrabbit>I generally like gparted to get an idea abotu the disk
13:28<jrabbit>stuckey: perhaps you created space inside the logical volume?
13:29<stuckey>jrabbit: That happened when I did lvreduce? So I need to move it out? How do I do this?
13:29<jrabbit>so the logical partion is stil lthe same size but the actual data in it is shurnk?
13:29<jrabbit>I don't know much about logical volumes :X
13:29<jrabbit>What partitioning tool are you using to check?
13:30<stuckey>jrabbit: ubuntu partition editor
13:30<jrabbit>I guess it's gparted.
13:30<stuckey>jrabbit: I have no idea... I was following some guide.
13:31<jrabbit>hm
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13:31<jrabbit>whats the output of vgdisplay?
13:32<locklace>stuckey: the whole point of dedicating a partition to lvm is that you can create and resize lvs within it without affecting the actual partition table of your disk
13:32<stuckey>locklace: Can I have some free space to install another os on?
13:32<locklace>stuckey: so forget lvm; if your actual physical disk partitions are using up all the space on the disk, then you have no more room for physical partition space. end of story
13:32<stuckey>fuck
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13:33<stuckey>locklace: I can't create free space from part of the LVM?
13:33<locklace>the only way out is to try to resize a physical partition, which is sometimes possible but painful and error-prone
13:33<stuckey>Is there a way I can install another OS?
13:33<jrabbit>locklace: so he wants to scale down his lvm partition?
13:33<locklace>fdisk -l will tell you the state of your physical partitions and total space. that's what you should be looking at
13:33<jrabbit>the actual place holder
13:34<locklace>jrabbit: if he really needs free space for another physical partition, yes, assuming all the space is already used by the current physical partition scheme
13:34<stuckey>http://paste.debian.net/39178/
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13:35<jrabbit>locklace: no he has freespace in the logical space now unoccupied
13:35<locklace>stuckey: notice how the /dev/sda5 partition ends at cylinder 77825, which is the last cylinder on the disk
13:35<jrabbit>yeah rthat partition is still full
13:36<jrabbit>can parted mess with LVM disks safely?
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13:36<locklace>i believe the most applicable response to that question is "fuck no"
13:36<gsimmons>jrabbit: No, it can't/doesn't want to.
13:37<gsimmons>stuckey: You'll want to learn about and thoroughly understand how a "physical volume" relates to LVM. You can resize a PV using the LVM2 tools, then repartition accordingly.
13:37<jrabbit>Ah. Thanks gsimmons.
13:37<stuckey>gsimmons: Would it be easier to just buy another hard disk?
13:37<locklace>right. pvresize can get you out of this if you do everything in the right order
13:38<locklace>stuckey: what would be easier would be to go with the original point of this setup and run the new os in a vm
13:38<jrabbit>you have more space then data. you can do it just do what he's saying
13:38*bja sees a faint glow of common sense
13:38*mikegrb sees a faint glow of urmom
13:38<stuckey>locklace: what's a vm?
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13:39<locklace>!tell stuckey about virtualization
13:39<ml|>virtual machine
13:40<dr|z3d>stuckey: Vmware.. heard of that? VirtualBox.. both examples of VM-based software.
13:40<stuckey>can I play games within virtual machines???
13:40<ml|>not 3d
13:40<dr|z3d>Support for games is variable.
13:40<dr|z3d>3d support is patchy at best.
13:40<stuckey>My whole point in installing this other OS was to play a 3d game that isn't in Debian.
13:41<dr|z3d>You'd be better advised to run Wine and try that way.
13:41<jrabbit>stuckey: what.
13:41<ml|>lol
13:41<jrabbit>dr|z3d: it's ubuntu he's tryign to install now
13:41<stuckey>I want to play some spring
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13:41<jrabbit>why can't you jsut dpkg -i stupidubuntuprogram.deb
13:41<stuckey>there aren't any debs
13:41<stuckey>debian's libs are too damn old
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13:42<dr|z3d>jrabbit: You *are* joking, right? He's installing Ubuntu on a VM to play games? *laugh*
13:42<stuckey>dr|z3d: I didn't say that.
13:42<jrabbit>EXACTLY.
13:42<jrabbit>XD
13:42<stuckey>locklace said that.
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13:42<dr|z3d>stuckey: I didn't think you were _that_ clueless.
13:42<dr|z3d>Thanks for confirming you're not ;)
13:42<jrabbit>lol
13:43<ml|>:0
13:43<stuckey>Ehh, so basically I just should buy another disk, since I'd have to reformat this disk in order to get some free space. Is that what you are telling me?
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13:43<nion>any ctorrent users here?
13:43<jrabbit>this sounds like a I don't want to fix my problem problem
13:43<dr|z3d>stuckey: In any event, the overhead for running a virtualized OS usually makes it less than optimal to run games on, without taking into consideration the patchy 3d support.
13:44<jrabbit>the real issue is the libs you need are too old to work
13:44<ml|>stuckey: read up gsimmons suggested a fix
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13:44<locklace>stuckey: actually, you can just install ubuntu onto an lv
13:44<dr|z3d>!tell nion about ask
13:44<weasel>stuckey: you might be able to install whatever you want to install into a LV. good luck with that.
13:44<jrabbit>So the solution should be that you get the right libs
13:44<locklace>that's a much better option in your case then screwing around with resizing your partitions
13:44<stuckey>locklace: how?
13:44<jrabbit>lol
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13:46<locklace>stuckey: depends on what installation method you use. as long as it's smart enough to deal with lvm space, you can tell it to install to a prebuilt lv set up for that purpose
13:46<locklace>the details are left as an exercise for the reader
13:47<bja>lol
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13:48<nion>dr|z3d: if you try to tell me i should ask my question, that's my question, i need package testers therefore i'm asking for users of ctorrent
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13:48<beer>hmm I can se that KOffice has been removed from sid. Will Koffice not be part of squeeze?
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13:49<dr|z3d>nion: Stating your case is best. Asking "does anyone do x" is less than optimal.
13:50<gsimmons>beer: See Debian bug #530003.
13:50<beer>k
13:51<nion>dr|z3d: in this case i don't really see a difference nor do i care, but thanks
13:51<nion>maybe ctorrent has an irc channel with debian users, that might be better
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13:54<bja>nion: stating the facts of your problem might also be a way to solve it one way or the other
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13:55<ml|>yeah ask in relation to your issue
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14:07<gunavara>hi guys, i have question about crontab, can u tell me the exact syntax to use my rdiff-backup to copy the /home/test dir from pc1 via internet to /home/test on pc2 (yes i looked google) i can copy the / directory, but that exact i can't :(
14:07<dr|z3d>gunavara: You probably need to investigate a rescursive switch (-r?).
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14:08<gunavara>uhm
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14:09<gunavara>40 2 * * * /usr/bin/rdiff-backup --exclude /tmp --exclude /mnt --exclude /proc --exclude /dev --exclude /cdrom --exclude /floppy server1_backup::/ /backup/server1 <--- this works great, but i can't copy the /home/test to /home test
14:09<ml|>never used rdiff-backup, but have you look at all your options, like rsync, rsnapshot etc
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14:10<gunavara>yea i couldn't make rsync work
14:10<gunavara>maybe i gotta check that recrusive switch
14:11<gunavara>dr|z3d, can u pls tell me a example syntax with the -r option ?
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14:11<ml|>oh, maybe do some manpage reading
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14:12<gunavara>right now i'm trying with "-r"
14:13<gunavara>and it didn't work
14:13<gunavara>anywayz thanks ^^
14:13<bja>gunavara: -r or -R depends on the program the man page has the right answer
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14:13<gunavara>thx
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14:14<stuckey>locklace: http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-install-ubuntu-over-lvm-filesystem <--- does this look about right?
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14:15<fmontes>hi everyone, somebody is from venezuela
14:15<ml|>i find rsync/rsnapshot one of the best tools for backing up
14:15<ml|>!es
14:15<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:16<fmontes>ok thank you dpkg
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14:18<dr|z3d>gunavara: No idea if crontab supports -r.. just a guess. You'd need to man crontab as ml| suggests.
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14:20<ml|>you can also make a simple script and use that in crontab
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14:21<bja>ml|: isn't that the standard way cron works?
14:21<g_>I've just installed squeeze on my hp dc7900 (Core 2 duo, nvidia 8600) and I keep getting this kernel warning referencing hpet.c. It is filling my syslog up (over 40G). Is there anything I can do to either fix, or not have the problem logged? pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/1461309
14:21<ml|>bja: ??
14:21-!-Glanzmann [sithglan@faui08.informatik.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #debian
14:21<Glanzmann>?? xen
14:22<Glanzmann>Is there a d-i with xen paravirtualized kernel?
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14:23<g_>upon checking the lists, it seems that this is a known issue with my system and kernel. I am going to gry to upgrade to 2.6.28 from .26 and see if this fixes the problem: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2009/02/msg00157.html
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14:25<bja>ml|: forget it. Some idiot made me angry and I'm still raging
14:25<ml|>!beer bja
14:25*dpkg deftly decants a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for bja
14:25*bja gladly takes a long sip
14:25<bja>thx
14:26<ml|>hehe np
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14:34<pacify>good night
14:35<admiralx>lol
14:35<admiralx>evening
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14:35<pacify>in moscow its night
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14:36<bja>and close to summer he he
14:37<pacify>what is the traditional way to report debian-maintainers about some bugs in their packages?
14:37<jmw>pacify: with the reportbug tool
14:38<EmleyMoor>Any idea how I can "Listen Again" to a BBC radio show using lenny/amd64?
14:38<pacify>russian linuxoids say me, that i must to report about bugs in cfv(cfv) and seq(coreutils) to upstream.
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14:39<pacify>how to post bug-report to upstream? by reportbug too?
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14:41<jmw>yes
14:42<pacify>i understand
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14:45<pacify>what is the easiest way to get some donations for open-source (GPLv3) projects?
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14:47<dr|z3d>pacify: Advertize on your site.
14:47<pacify>and without adv?
14:47<dr|z3d>Rob a bank?
14:48<locklace>pacify: acquire a deep hat and some skill with the fiddle
14:48<ml|>hah
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14:51<dr|z3d>pacify: http://gnuherds.org/about
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14:56<pacify>dr z3d :)
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15:01<pacify>droz3d, its good way
15:01<pacify>thanx
15:01<dr|z3d>No problemo. :)
15:02<pacify>bye
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15:08<pino>Hello. I run a ntpd service on my vserver. It is in the ntp-pool. Do any know how many traffic ntp use?
15:09<dr|z3d>pino: Many. Check their site.
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15:11<pino>dr|z3d: becausethe traffic are over 25gb last month. and on the server run only a small mail server and ntpd
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16:00<evilmanu>hello
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16:01<evilmanu>I have a problem with my wireless
16:01<evilmanu>I'm using debian lenny and iwlwifi drivers
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16:02<evilmanu>I need to "wake up" my wireless
16:03<evilmanu>on my laptop I have combo (fn+f2) to swich on my wireless card
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16:05<narcan>evilmanu: hi, you can edit your /etc/network/interface with add a wlan0 for example, and use a keybinding on function F2 with ifdown eth0 and ifup wlan0 for example, its just an idea...
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16:07<narcan>what is your (desktop env/window manager) ?
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16:07<narcan>if your are on fluxbox I can help you to put it
16:07<evilmanu>I'm using Xfce
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16:07<evilmanu>on ifup wlan0 I get that error : Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0.
16:08<narcan>mhh yes easy with a launcher on panel with xfce
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16:08<evilmanu>I was on fluxbox :P
16:08<evilmanu>which luncher?
16:08<narcan>evilmanu: past bin your /etc/network/interface
16:09<narcan>evilmanu: on xfce panel you can launch a command by "clicking" on a icon
16:10<evilmanu># This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
16:10<evilmanu># and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
16:10<evilmanu># The loopback network interface
16:10<evilmanu>auto lo
16:10<evilmanu>iface lo inet loopback
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16:10<narcan>pastbin...
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16:10<evilmanu>sry
16:10<narcan>evilmanu: not on the channel
16:10<narcan>...
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16:11<evilmanu>http://paste.debian.net/39199/
16:11<narcan>I had do that on xfce with 2 icons on my wife's xfce panel
16:11<narcan>to switch on wifi or ethernet
16:12<evilmanu>can you help me to do this?
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16:14<narcan>its the dinner time sorry ^^, but check it to the xfce panel launcher
16:14<narcan>and put your command
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16:14<narcan>I don't remember exactly how I made that
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16:15<evilmanu>ok, but which command? I've tried all I know and nothing warking
16:15<narcan>your interface file is wrong
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16:16<narcan>there is no wlan configured
16:16<evilmanu>what is wrong in it?
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16:16<narcan>fix it before and try to switch on your wifi by ifup wlan0
16:16<evilmanu>hhmm...
16:16<evilmanu>I'll try
16:17<evilmanu>ty
16:17<narcan>evilmanu: sorry but : man interfaces will be your friend for that
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16:17<evilmanu>I'm reading it
16:20<narcan>evilmanu: look at the wiki also, there is few pages about it
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16:32<adama>I'm getting this every 20 minutes: http://pastebin.ca/1461472 - what can I do?
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16:33<bja>adama: Normal operation procedure, what do you want to do
16:33<bja>?
16:33<adama>stop getting this in my email every 20 minutes
16:34<adama>fix the error or disable the cronjob
16:34<adama>but whiteout:~# crontab -u smmsp -l says: no crontab for smmsp
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16:35<locklace>adama: just comment out the line in /etc/cron.d/sendmail
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16:35<Mkman>Hello
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16:36<beber-p>hello do you speak french?
16:36<adama>sweet that should work thanks locklace
16:36<bja>!fr
16:36<locklace>!fr
16:36<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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16:37<jrabbit>lol
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16:38<beber-p>!fr ???
16:39<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
16:39<Mkman>france? no portuguese lol
16:39<beber-p>thank you
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16:42<beber-p>they don't speek on debian-fr
16:42<jrabbit>sounds like that's their problem
16:42<jrabbit>you're free to ask a question here in english
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16:43<bja>beber-p: /etc/init.d/gdm start
16:44<beber-p>but my english is very bad , i can't take my question in english sory
16:44<bja>beber-p: il est necessaire que tu attende quelque minute la va.
16:44<jrabbit>Then I'd ask in the french channel and wait.
16:44<locklace>you could try giving vent to a blistering stream of french curses. that might goad them into life
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16:45<jrabbit>^ la
16:45<acithium>hello
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16:45<acithium>i'm thinking about trying debian, but i have a couple of questions
16:46<dkr>!tell acithium about why debian
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16:47<acithium>well, is it better to run the stable branch or the testing branch.
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16:48<acithium>i hear that some of the stable branch won't support newer programs like firefox and stuff
16:48<locklace>acithium: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-choosing.en.html#s3.1
16:48<azeem>acithium: what do you mean with "support"?
16:48<azeem>firefox is supported
16:49<jrabbit>acithium: don't forget you can "switch" later
16:49<jrabbit>Easier to go from Stable -> testing imho
16:49<jrabbit>then to have testing break or the newer installer freak out
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16:52<acithium>vlc works under the stable branch, right?
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16:52<jrabbit>lol
16:53<bja>acithium: Why don't you try it, with 36 or 32 cd i believe most of the "normal" programs will be in there
16:54<bja>acithium: And if not, you can allways come here for help and a joke :)
16:54<acithium>i was just going to do the net install
16:55<gunavara>dr|z3d, ml|
16:55<bja>acithium: Just make sure you have a good network connection and good luck
16:55<gunavara>i fixed the things with my backup server
16:55<acithium>okay, thanks for the info
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16:55<gunavara>instead of rdiff-backup i used rsync and cron
16:55<gunavara>now everything is working super :)
16:55<bja>!congratulate gunavara
16:55<dpkg>Huzzah gunavara, you did it!
16:55<gunavara>thanks :D
16:55<gunavara>i found also where my problem was
16:56<gunavara>:)
16:58<jrabbit>lol
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16:59<bja>jrabbit: stop drinking dpkg's beer
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17:11<bblough>I updated my apt.conf, but apt doesn't appear to be picking up the changes. "apt-config dump" still shows the old values. How do I get apt to refresh its cached config?
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17:12<Slurb>apt-get update
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17:13<bblough>That's the first thing I did. It's still using the old config (specifically, proxy)
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17:16<Slurb>you can try dpkg-reconfigure apt
17:16<bblough>I tried that also, with no luck
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17:18<locklace>bblough: did you put your changes in apt.conf.d
17:18<bblough>No, they're a file in apt.conf.d
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17:20<bblough>aha, but there's also an entry in apt.conf. Stupid me for not checking that.
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17:21<bblough>Thanks for the nudge in the right direction.
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17:21<locklace>right. there is no "cache", the conf files are read directly by apt applications whenever they run
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17:25<bblough>OK, good to know. Sorry for troubling you folks, and thanks again.
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17:26<locklace>!beer bblough
17:26*dpkg pulls out a tasty Piraat for bblough
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17:37<dmoerner>wow, aptitude just decided to dump core everytime i run it. wonderful
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17:38<locklace>dmoerner: anything change since the last time it worked?
17:39<dmoerner>locklace, it seg-faulted at the end of a dist-upgade that included cups, lintian, and rpm updates. no appreciable reason in there why it would decide to dump
17:39<locklace>so is it dumping core when doing anything now or just when trying to install those packages?
17:40<dmoerner>anything
17:40<locklace>did all those packages get cleanly installed?
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17:40<locklace>does "anything" include even trivial things like aptitude --version?
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17:41<dmoerner>no, it looks like anything that tries to query the database, the packages were cleanly installed
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17:41<locklace>so "aptitude search" and "aptitude show" both die?
17:42<dmoerner>yes, producing 8mb core dumps each time. i'll file a bug and see if i can get gdb to show anything
17:42<locklace>i'd try strace on something simple first
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17:43<locklace>could be some form of db corruption. does apt-cache work fine?
17:43<dmoerner>no, it is broken too
17:43<dmoerner>dpkg seems to be functioning though
17:43<dpkg>dmoerner: are you smoking crack?
17:44<locklace>guess either bug in libapt or corruption in some package data file
17:44<dmoerner>silly question, how can i get strace to trace something with command line arguments?
17:45<azeem>dmoerner: strace <something>
17:45<azeem>or I don't understand your question
17:45<Beren>Am trying to install Lenny. When I get to the "detect disk" step it claimes it cannot find my sata disk. If I drop to a shell dmesg dhows it at /dev/sda, I can cfdisk it, and even mount the partitions manually, but the installer still claims it cannot find it. Not sure what my next step is. Any suggestions? I am using the latest stable netist image.
17:45<dmoerner>azeem, oh, i just jumped straight to quoting the something, that obviously works
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17:47<locklace>Beren: that's strange. are you booting from a cd? any other drives connected? what kind of drive is it?
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17:48<locklace>Beren: what does "cat /proc/partitions" return
17:48<Beren>booting from same cd (and cd-drive) that I jsut used to reinstall my wifes comptuer wiht no problems. Only drives connected are the sata and the cdrom
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17:49<Beren>cat /proc/partitions shows all3 partitions I perviously created on the disk. Do you need the actual output?
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17:50<locklace>Beren: so it shows sda, sda1, sda2, sda3 with device numbers 8,0-8,3?
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17:51<Beren28>hmm, irc client died for some reason
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17:52<Beren28> cat /pro/pci shows 8 0 for the disk and 8 (1-3) for the 3 partitions
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17:53<locklace>Beren28: have you rebooted into the installer since creating the partitions?
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17:53<Beren28>well the partitions were created before this install process and I rebooted the installer 3 times, all with the same result
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17:54<locklace>Beren28: if you don't have any data you need to keep, maybe try clearing the partition table and retrying
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17:55<Beren28>unfortunatle I do need the data, and that is the only disk with enough space
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17:55<locklace>how were the partitions created? what kind of filesystems are on them?
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17:57<Beren28>partitions were created with cfdisk under a lenny install. two partitions are ext3 and one is swap
17:57<enouf>Beren28: try enabling AHCI in your BIOS?
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17:58<enouf>Beren28: check general CMOS settings concerning your disks/boot order and such .. sometimes, certain ports are flagged as non-bootable, or only to be used if RAID is enabled in the BIOS (which kicks AHCI in auto)
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17:58<locklace>enouf: he can see the disk and partition fine from a shell in the installer
17:59<locklace>so there's no issue with the kernel seeing it or accessing it
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17:59<enouf>Beren28: very 'controller' dependent as well - IOW, are you sure you're disk is hooked to the correct Chip/controller\?
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17:59<enouf>locklace: that doesn't matter
17:59<FAVI>MJMHJMHJMHJM
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17:59<Beren28>I see no AHCI options in the bios
17:59<enouf>Beren28: how about RAID mode - list your SATA Drive options/MODES
18:00<Beren28>raid mode is disabled in the bios
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18:00<FAVI>HOLA
18:00<enouf>Beren28: let me reread all the info you already provided - i jumped in late here
18:00<locklace>enouf: huh? if he can mount the drives, there's obviously no reason why the installer shouldn't be able to use them
18:00<enouf>locklace: see my last post
18:00<FAVI>ESTO NO ES UN CHAT EN ESPAÑOL POR LO QUE VEO
18:00<FAVI>JEJE
18:00<enouf>FAVI: stop please
18:01<Hideo>!es
18:01<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:01<locklace>!tell FAVI about es
18:01<Beren28>puede ser que algunos hablomaos espanol :)
18:01<locklace>Beren28: sounds like some sort of bug in the installer. all i can suggest is trying some different install images / methods. first choice would be a d-i backport
18:01<locklace>!tell Beren28 about kmuto
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18:01<FAVI>DEVIAN .ES
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18:02<Beren28>Alright, I'll look into a different install method
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18:02<locklace>Beren28: that has a low chance of being different, since the actual installer is probably the same or very nearly, but it's another data point, and if it does work then everything's cool
18:02<enouf>Beren28: is/was that disk ever part of any LVM/RAID/whatever MS calls their version?
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18:02<Hideo>wow! the new octave 3.2 in Debian is really fast =)
18:02<enouf>Beren28: also - tried 'expert' mode ?
18:03<Beren28>enouf no. It is a new disk I partitioned to back up the data on the old disk before replacing it
18:03<Beren28>I started in expert mode :)
18:03<enouf>Beren28: i see .. but only one disk is connected now?
18:03<Beren28>yes
18:03<Beren28>the old disk is now the main disk in my wifes comptuer
18:03<Beren28>her old main disk is now attached to the wii . . . :)
18:04<locklace>Beren28: did you get the link to the d-i backport images?
18:04<Beren28>yes I did. Checking it out now
18:04<locklace>cool
18:04<Thefirefox>so a nublet question.. I run debian on a laptop with KDE . the dell has a limitation of 2048X2048 total... I want to run one screen for normal use (1280x800) and a screen for coding (768x1024). xrandr keeps yelling at me and xorg is kicking me in the face.
18:04<Thefirefox>Which should I go with.
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18:05<enouf>Beren28: "17:48 < Beren28> partitions were created with cfdisk under a lenny install" <-- so only the netinstall .. wait ... /me is confused - all Lenny? one time it worked, another it doesn't?
18:05<locklace>Thefirefox: whichever one hurts the least
18:05<dkr>Thefirefox: you can't switch resolution with xrandr?
18:05<Thefirefox>locklace, Well its a laptop so I only need the screen at work. xrandr seems dynamic, but it yells at me about the limitation
18:06<Thefirefox>dkr, I try, but even if I go 800x600 and 600x800... it still gets mad about the "size limit"
18:06<Beren28>I plugged this disk in to an existing lenny install and createdt he partitions for backup purposes
18:06<enouf>Beren28: sorry .. i seem to be not able to focus well, at the moment on your specific issue .. so whatever i mentioned, take for whatever it's worth ;-) and i wish you well with the Installer
18:06<Beren28>:)
18:07<dkr>Thefirefox: less anthropomorphizing and more exact error messages might make it easier to diagnose. :)
18:07<grummund>hi, anyone know [how] can i get libc 2.4 installed on an etch system?
18:07<tom>Hello,it's a hd-media install problem,any solutions are appreciated
18:07<tom>http://paste.debian.net/39219/
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18:08<yfk> try to flush my dns with /etc/init.d/nscd restart but get command not found, what is?
18:09<Thefirefox>dkr, reproducing lol.
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18:13<enouf>yfk: does that file exist? that's an odd error to me for that command
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18:13<yfk>enouf: no, there's no such file
18:13<enouf>that probably wouldn't even flush your dns in the way you think, but i'm not sure .. so
18:14<enouf>yfk: well, then you can't restart it ;-)
18:14<Thefirefox>dkr, broke things still undoing my awesome handy work =/
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18:16<Thefirefox>dkr, I'm looking over the help for xrandr. I might have answered my own dumb question. Cant see how to tell the other monitor not to mirror
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18:17<lucian>hei does anyone know i\witch is the sourcelist for the last xorg releases?
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18:17<enouf>lucian: check out #debian-x channel /topic
18:17<enouf>perhaps
18:18<enouf>unless you meant upstream Xorg?
18:18<lucian>enouf mnowone respond to my message there
18:18<adb>judd:versions xorg
18:18<enouf>still
18:18<lucian>enouf i meand latest xorg ati radeon releases
18:19<lucian> a deb source
18:19<enouf>lucian: where? i've been logged into that channel for days - you never said anything
18:19<lucian>you know sources.list
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18:20<adb>lucian: ce versiune vrei ?
18:20<lucian>pai nush ultima
18:20<adb>de ce ?
18:20<Thefirefox>dkr, finally got it. xrandr --output VGA --right-of LVDS get me screen cannot be larger than 1280x1280 (desired size 2304x800). LVDS=1280x800 VGA= 768x1024
18:20<lucian>pai am un ati radeon x1300-x1550 256/256
18:21<lucian> si vreau sa ma folosesc la maxim de el
18:21<adb>!radeon
18:21<dpkg>[radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). For chipsets prior to R600 (ie. models up to and including the X1950), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (recent chipsets, usually better 3D performance/features). See also <radeonhd>. http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon @ freenode.
18:21<lucian> da hardware driver nu imi gaseshte nici un driver
18:21<enouf>Thefirefox: FWIW, /msg dpkg dual monitors (should point to some info about using xrandr atleast)
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18:21<Thefirefox>enouf, thank you, checking it out
18:21<lucian>abd
18:21<enouf>english here only please - thanks lucian
18:22<enouf>np Thefirefox
18:22<lucian>i was speaking few words with adb
18:22<lucian> he is romanian to
18:22<adb>lucian: try #ati on freenode
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18:23<lucian>am incercat si ala
18:23<lucian>:((
18:23<lucian> nu raspund ashtea
18:24<adb>mai ai rabdare, i'm looking on it
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18:26<lucian>adb ai un id de mess?
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18:26<adb>nope
18:26<lucian>an email adres
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18:26<lucian> gmail or something
18:26<lucian>live.com
18:27<lucian>anything
18:27<adb>lucian: /j #debian-ro
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18:42<edbian>I know this is going to sound like a stupid question. I am trying out openbox under gnome. When I start it it warns me that I only have 1 desktop but open box is configured for 4. How do I add more desktops in gnome 2.22?
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18:43<thefirefox>enouf, That finally got me working.. I guess I was missing the xorg stuff.. anyway. Now the problem is... xrandr -d VGA -o left ( I want to turn the monitor sideways) gives Can't open display VGA
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18:43<edbian>(I have tried right clicking the switcher applet because that's how you do it in the newer version of gnome.)
18:46<themill>thefirefox: aiui, -d is for the X display (think localhost:0 or similar). --output is to select the physical output.
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18:46<thefirefox>enouf, wow... my brain is not functioning today... I see the rotate command but it is giving me errors to. reading up on it
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18:48<ChronoX>hey guys, how can i speed-up my debian Lenny?
18:48<ChronoX>Gnome is taking too long to load
18:49<krazykit>use something else?
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18:49<vvas>installing prelink might help a bit for loading times...
18:49<bja>ChronoX: add memory
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18:50<craigevil>ChronoX: http://wiki.debian.org/BootProcessSpeedup
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18:50<ChronoX>i have enough memory, it uses just 200MB of my 2GB
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18:51<thefirefox>enouf, I think I am just not understanding this right . I want one monitor to be 1280x800 and one to be 768x1024. should be a total of 2048x1824.
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18:51<RichiH>if anyone in here has a suggestion for undeleting files from an image of a vfat partition and keeping the directory structure intact (we are talking ~20k and 56 GiB files here)... shoot
18:51<thefirefox>enouf, well I got them both working at that resolution... I just cant turn the other monitor haha
18:56<ChronoX>Use dash is secure?
18:58<dondelelcaro>ChronoX: it's just a shell.
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18:58<ChronoX>ok, but it fails more? it will give me trouble?
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18:58<dondelelcaro>it's a shell. It's smaller and faster than bash, but more limited
18:59<apostle1978>problem with wrong keyboard setup....how can I set it again?
18:59<ChronoX>there are some examples of simple things that it cant do? things of common users?
18:59<dondelelcaro>ChronoX: lots of things; it's not bash. It's generally not the right shell for interactive use, but it's great for POSIX compliant scripts
19:00<avu>ChronoX, it's really not made for interactive use but for scripting
19:00<avu>oh, too slow I am
19:01<ChronoX>ill try, ty
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19:07<thefirefox>enouf, Ok... so I have ran out of options it seems. I got the laptop to display 1280x800 and the external at 768x1024... I just need to have the image rotated on the monitor... but I keep getting the size limit.
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19:22<ChronoX>guys, how to speedup gnome startup? there is a way to load it during boot?
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19:22<ChronoX>i want to see a flash gnome starting
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19:26<ml|>!congratulate gunavara
19:26<dpkg>Woohoo gunavara, you did it!
19:26<gunavara>huh :D
19:26<bja>ml|: Didn he do it a few hours back?
19:26<bja>he he
19:27<ml|>bja: yes but i wasn't around hehe :)
19:27<bja>never mind, keep up the party
19:27<bja>he eh
19:27<ml|>lol
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19:30<ml|>gunavara: are these local backups?
19:30<gunavara>:D
19:30<gunavara>no
19:30<gunavara>over internet
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19:31<ml|>how is using keys to get in?
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19:41<Zviper>is there a way to make a group of folders writable/readable by every user?
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19:41<adama>Zviper: yes, with the chmod command
19:41<Zviper>ok so what do i enter between chmod and the directory
19:42<Zviper>to make it writeable for all users that is
19:42<Zviper>not just one specific user
19:42<adama>777 will do it
19:42<bja>chmod 777 your dir
19:42<bja>although it is a security risk
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19:42<ml|>chmod a+w
19:42<Zviper>will -R make it recursive?
19:42<ml|>yes
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19:43<bja>yes but it will also make any script executable
19:43<ml|>be careful
19:43<ml|>bja: you mean x not w
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19:44<bja>ml|: 777 is a+rwx
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19:44<ml|>yeah right but i suggested a+w only :)
19:45<bja>ml|: you are right, got mixed up with files and dirs
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19:45<ml|>no need for 777 if you only want to write to them, unless i'm mistaken
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19:46<bja>ml|: guess using a 2 megaton bomb today to kill a fly is the norm
19:46<ml|>lol
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19:48<Zviper>when i set my homedir as /home/<myusername> my ftp works. when i try to change the dir, i get login incorrect. im guessing this is because it can't access the other dir. i chmod'd it 777 but still no go
19:48<themill>Zviper: it's not often that those permissions are really the best solution though. (Even /tmp doesn't have those exact permissions)
19:49<Zviper>i didn't think so.. what do you reccomend doing as a solution?
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19:49<bja>Zviper: check the man page for the ftp server
19:50<bja>or the upstream web page, usually there is a configuration parameter to make that possible
19:50<bja>Zviper: but for security reasons, those type of servers are chrooted to their ~ dir
19:51<Zviper>yeh i have it set as chroot in my proftpd conf
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19:52<bja>Zviper: you have to tell proftpd to let you do that. There is a web page on their site that tell you how to do it
19:52<bja>Zviper: workaround (ln -s the dir you want to go to)
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19:54<Zviper>arghg how the fuck do you exit the man page?
19:54<bja>q
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19:55<Zviper>thanks, that was quite frustrating
19:55<lucian>adb are you on?
19:55<bja>!seen adb
19:55<dpkg>adb is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 11 messages. Is idling for 1h 28m 26s, last said: 'lucian: /j #debian-ro'.
19:56<ml|>Zviper: if you use 777 you can also use ... chmod +t adds the sticky bit, so that people can only delete their own files and sub-directories in a directory, even
19:56<ml|>if they have write permissions to it
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19:57<bja>ml|: When you set 777 on a multiuser system things can get nasty very fast even with +t
19:57<ml|>bja: yes but it's better with than with no +t, remember i never suggested 777 ;)
19:58<bja>ml|: my fault, I'll have to live with it
19:58<bja>!nuke bja
19:58*dpkg fires an 80 kiloton thermonuclear weapon at bja
19:58<ml|>haha
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20:07<bja>Typing "evince somefile.pdf &" should detach evince from xterm, why on zsh if i try to close xterm i get "zsh: you have running jobs." if i hit ctr-d once more evince and xterm get killed
20:08<ml|>bja: there is a setting for that, but i forget what tha is
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20:09<bja>ml|: thought so guess i'll keep reading zshoptions
20:10<dkr>bja: use nohup
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20:11<bja>dkr: taking a look thx
20:11<dkr>even if backgrounded when shell exit'd it would normally send a hup. that's why the warning
20:12<bja>dkr: thx
20:14<ml|>bja: man nohup
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20:17<bja>ml|: that way you theoretically get more control right?
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20:18<bja>ml|: it works although zsh still complains
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20:20<MilkHouse>hey guys, can u help me? see at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69yP2JMJkOI . This gnome have a bar that i dont have on mine. When the user "onmouse" the icons they bright.
20:20<MilkHouse>how tu put it on my gnome?
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20:20<ml|>bja: i'm not sure, i have left it as defualt for now and did you re-read .zshrc ?
20:21<Zviper>MilkHouse, is english your second language?
20:21<bja>ml|: fired up a new terminal
20:21<ml|>oh still same issue
20:22<bja>!br
20:22<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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20:23<bja>dpkg: tell MilkHouse about br
20:23<MilkHouse>
20:23<MilkHouse>A bar in part under the screen, when he passes the mouse above the icons shine. How to put that bar?
20:24<ml|>bja: just for kicks source .zshrc
20:24<bja>MilkHouse: Better take a closer look at the video page and try looking for the theme through that pages there are plenty of those around, and without a connection to youtube it can be tricky
20:25<bja>ml|: wait a sec
20:26<MilkHouse>bja, its generic. How to put that bar. not THAT bar, a generic bar like that.
20:26<ml|>MilkHouse: maybe ask in ...
20:27<ml|>#gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org
20:28<MilkHouse>is that gdesklets
20:28<MilkHouse>ill try ty
20:28<ml|>or someother channel on thatirc server
20:28<bja>ml|: http://pastebin.com/m146ce103
20:28<ml|>#gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org
20:28<ml|>ooops
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20:31<bja>ml|: nothing fancy but functional, hope so
20:31<ml|>bja: looks fine, but i meant in terminal source .zshrc
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20:52<ml|>oh was about to suggest something for him to try
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21:02<duraperidol>howdy
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21:32<TehFlash>how do i install java plugin to play games in browser
21:33<TehFlash>hello
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21:33<TehFlash>hello
21:33<TehFlash>could some one tell me how to install java plugin, jre
21:33<TehFlash>i installed jdk
21:34<TehFlash>but that wasnt the right thing
21:34<TehFlash>sun-java6-jkd
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21:36<TehFlash>sun-java6-jre is installed already
21:36<TehFlash>but its not displaying
21:36<duraperidol>I have multiple gpg uid's installed allf of a sudden
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21:36<duraperidol>with my gmail key as the primary, even when I use -r seconduid@domain.com
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21:37<duraperidol>it still wants to -se as the primary key
21:37-!-Helpless is now known as new
21:37<new>Hi everybody :)
21:37<TehFlash>hi
21:37<TehFlash>new
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21:37<TehFlash>can you help me
21:37<new>I got a lil question :)
21:37<TehFlash>oh
21:37<TehFlash>lol
21:37<new>Does someone of you know "elive" ?
21:38<TehFlash>what is it
21:38<new>the live/distro ?
21:38<new>http://www.elivecd.org/Download/Stable
21:38<TehFlash>no i just started using ubuntu
21:39<new>iam using it right now too , but why not check up the other alternatives :P
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21:40<TehFlash>ok
21:40<TehFlash>could you answer a question
21:40<new>maybe :P
21:40<TehFlash>i want to play runescape
21:40<TehFlash>i installed sun-java6-jdk and sun-java6-jre
21:41<TehFlash>but it wont display
21:41<TehFlash>what do i need to install
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21:41<new>hmm iam not an runecape gamer but it normally should work after you've installed sun-java6-jdk
21:41<new>which browser are you using ? firefox ?
21:41<TehFlash>yeah
21:42<new>ive tested it right now
21:42<new>same here
21:43<new>get the message " java isnt installed bla bla bla "
21:43<new>but it's installed
21:43<new>^^
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21:52<new>TehFlash i think that i might found the sollution for your Problem :)
21:54<TehFlash>i installed something called icedtea
21:54<TehFlash>and it runs, but the screen isnt the right size
21:54<new>never heard about it :)
21:55<TehFlash>i havent either
21:55<TehFlash>some told me a command to type to display all the java plugins
21:55<new>Well i've get to know how to install java
21:55<new>so that it get recognized
21:55<new>by firefox
21:55<TehFlash>lol
21:55<TehFlash>im asking some one now
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21:57<new>simply go to your "filesystem directory then to ---> usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/ .... and somewhere around there should be a file called libjavaplugin_oji.so
21:58<new>then copy&paste this file into usr/lib/firefox/plugins , start firefox go to preferencies , enable java
21:58<new>and its done :)
21:58<Nemoder>TehFlash: it may be a problem with java webstart, see if javaws runs in a terminal
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22:05<edbian>I use compiz for my WM and currently I start it with a "startup-program" entry in System -> Preferences -> Sessions. When I log in I noticed things are choppy (the gnome-panel in particular appears / disappears a couple times)
22:05<edbian>Is there a better way to start compiz?
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22:06<new>WM ?
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22:09<edbian>window manager
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22:11<new>Well i use it the same way with a start-up entry
22:11<new>but i guess you can also remove that entry
22:11<kerin>what's the preferred way to have a process automatically restarted if it dies?
22:11<new>and simply start it over the command line
22:11<new>after login
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22:22<blast_hardcheese>Hey, I'm trying to get my Tablet PC's touchscreen working; Most of the suggestions have been to use the Wacom driver, that doesn't seem to be working.
22:22<enouf>edbian: no idea, try #compiz-fusion maybe, /msg dpkg gnome, and use ps/pstree/pstree.x11 and top/htop/iotop to make sure unecessary shit isn't running, stealing RAM and CPU and blocking disk IO and stuff - and no unneeded multiple instances of shit isn't running
22:22<blast_hardcheese>It's a serial touchscreen connected to /dev/ttyS0
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22:24<enouf>edbian: try maybe launching "compiz --replace <something> ..." in a terminal instead
22:24*enouf goes off to boil pasta ;-)
22:24<blast_hardcheese>i think it's just compiz --replace
22:24<enouf>er boil /the water for/
22:24<edbian>enouf: ??? You mean log into gnome, let it start metacity, then run "compiz --replace&" ?? What is that going to accomplish that having the exact same command in Sessions?
22:25<edbian>command in sessions doesn't*
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22:28<edbian>blast_hardcheese: The command is compiz --replace, you're correct.
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22:34<enouf>edbian: oh .. then nm
22:34<edbian>thanks anyway :)
22:36<enouf>edbian: is compiz listed under; update-alternatives --config [tab][tab] (as root/sudo) , or even just the x-related ones ...or none?
22:37<enouf>edbian: might be your video driver, or Acceleration options? really too many variables for me ...
22:38<edbian>enouf: I don't think you're understanding. I can run compiz (it's running right now) I'm wondering what the best way is to start it automatically when I log in.
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22:58<snogglethorpe>edbian: recent versions of gnome-session/gdm seem to start compiz automagically
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22:59<edbian>mmm ic
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22:59<snogglethorpe>(by "recent" i mean whatever's in debian unstable)
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23:17<edbian>When I log in gnome starts metacity then it starts compiz so my panel / background must be re-drawn. It is slow and messy. What is the best way to start compiz?
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23:19<Zviper>http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showpost.php?s=ed7c240740ff2d4b4024f12ef6f99374&p=53145&postcount=8
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23:24<enouf>edbian: you are only experiencing that at login time? "When I log in I noticed things are choppy (the gnome-panel in particular appears / disappears a couple times)"
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23:25<enouf>gnome shouldn't be starting metacity if compiz is your default x-session-manager/x-window-manager, should it?
23:25<edbian>yeah. It happens once when I boot (presumably because of the metacity -> compiz --replace)
23:25<edbian>I would think not
23:25<enouf>so? enouf> edbian: is compiz listed under; update-alternatives --config [tab][tab] (as root/sudo) ....
23:25<edbian>I never set compiz as my default. I only added an entry to start-up in sessions
23:25<edbian>I don't understand that command ?
23:25<enouf>it's easy to toggle
23:25<edbian>[tab][tab] ?
23:26<enouf>hit TAB key twice
23:26<edbian>compiz is not listed there (cpp is which I think it related to compiz. NOt sure though)
23:26<enouf>if you have tab-completion enabled, you'd see something like this;
23:26<enouf>~$ sudo update-alternatives --config x-
23:26<enouf>x-cursor-theme x-session-manager x-terminal-emulator x-window-manager x-www-browser
23:26<edbian>yeah
23:26<edbian>it worked
23:27<edbian>Compiz is not there
23:27<enouf>(i hit TAB twice, after the x-)
23:27<edbian>yeah
23:27<edbian>so have I now
23:27<enouf>edbian: see, i never used it, so i don';t know if it's supposed to be
23:27<edbian>now what?
23:27<enouf>hence my suggestions about other .. oh nm
23:27<edbian>Explain these files please
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23:28<enouf>man update-alternatives
23:28<edbian>if I look at x-window-manager I get: there is only 1 program which provies "x-window-manager" /usr/bin/metacity
23:28<edbian>damn that metacity
23:29<enouf>see, i think compiz works differently .. but again, i don;t know
23:29<enouf>thought it worth a shot
23:30<enouf>edbian: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
23:30<edbian>> /usr/bin/gdm
23:30<enouf>ok .. BTW, apt-cache search x-window-manager will list all available for install
23:31<enouf>if your cache is updated
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23:31<enouf>~$ apt-cache search x-window-manager | grep compiz returns nada, but metacity is there
23:32<edbian>yeah
23:32<edbian>I noticed that too
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23:32<edbian>(compiz is definitely a WM BTW)
23:32<enouf>remember beryl?
23:32<enouf>!beryl
23:32<dpkg>Beryl was a compositing window manager for the X Window System, previously a fork of <Compiz>. The Beryl Project was merged with Compiz Extras in 2007 to form Compiz Fusion. http://www.compiz-fusion.org/ #compiz-fusion on irc.freenode.net.
23:33<edbian>no (i'm too young for that) I didn't start using linux until after the compiz merge. I do know what beryl is (was) though
23:34<enouf>ok - how about following that URL and going into that channel?
23:34<enouf>!compiz
23:34<dpkg>from memory, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <XGL> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net.
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23:35<enouf>edbian: is there anything like update-alternatives --config comp[TAB][TAB]
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23:36<enouf>i guess you could ls -l /etc/alternatives | grep -i compiz
23:36<enouf>er 'composit' perhaps
23:36<edbian>I get nothing from --config comp tab tab
23:36<enouf>ok
23:36<edbian>Thank you for your help
23:36<edbian>I have to go now though
23:36<enouf>no prob ;-)
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23:54<johnfg>hi folks
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23:56<diego>hi there, Im looking for a program to see images (like png / jpg) in console (not X mode)
23:56<diego>something small and light
23:56<diego>with a not so good graphic library maybe
23:56<johnfg>I'm in the process of installing and configuring openAFS. Just wondered: I have a partition, /dev/sda8 36GB, which is mounted on /opt but is not used at all.
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23:57<johnfg>In the html I'm following to install openAFS, it says to mount a partition on /vicepa/.
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