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| 00:15 | <fortax> | enouf: sorry. i cant seem to enter any text into my x session. that's wierd. |
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| 00:17 | <interbird> | does ctrl-alt-fx give you a console? does typing work there? what gui stage ? gdm,gnome... |
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| 00:20 | <fortax> | enouf: i found the file that is showing the test i was looking for |
| 00:20 | <fortax> | just a sec |
| 00:20 | <fortax> | *text |
| 00:20 | <interbird> | enouf has shut his eyes |
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| 00:22 | <fortax> | oh. |
| 00:22 | <interbird> | just a wild guess |
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| 00:24 | <fortax> | i guess i'll still answer his questions. didn't see them before. there might have been a "power failure" while something was happening with initramfs. guess i'll run the fsck on the drive. and 2.6.26-2.686 was running just fine for months up until just recently |
| 00:25 | <fortax> | ffsck 1.41.5 (23-Apr-2009) |
| 00:26 | <fortax> | e2fsck 1.41.5 (23-Apr-2009) |
| 00:26 | <fortax> | /dev/mapper/hdd-root: clean, 140651/9682944 files, 10173283/19361792 blocks |
| 00:26 | <fortax> | interbird: was that supposed to be that fast. it's a decent size drive |
| 00:27 | <interbird> | how could i determine "fast" with just a date ? |
| 00:27 | <fortax> | i just ran 'fsck /dev/mapper/hdd-root |
| 00:27 | <interbird> | fine |
| 00:27 | <fortax> | i just thought it would have taken longer. guess i still remember the days of dos scandisk and such |
| 00:28 | <interbird> | and how am i could i time that ? |
| 00:28 | <interbird> | you are on irc |
| 00:28 | <interbird> | i amnot looking over your shoulder |
| 00:28 | <interbird> | would like to, though... :-) |
| 00:30 | <interbird> | so, what was the problem again ? |
| 00:30 | <snogglethorpe> | fortax: fsck should take long? |
| 00:30 | <interbird> | what fs ? |
| 00:31 | <fortax> | ext3. it was just an assumption i made. |
| 00:31 | <snogglethorpe> | fortax: it can take a long time if the machine crashed previously and you're not using a journaling filesystem, but in the normal case it's almost instantaneous |
| 00:31 | <snogglethorpe> | fs3 should usually take very little time |
| 00:31 | <interbird> | partition size ? |
| 00:31 | <fortax> | 80 |
| 00:31 | <snogglethorpe> | i mean, ext3 |
| 00:31 | <fortax> | gb |
| 00:32 | <fortax> | how would i go about running 'update initramfs' from my livecd? |
| 00:32 | <snogglethorpe> | there is an annoying "every 20 mounts" forced fsck that does take a long time, even on ext3 |
| 00:32 | <interbird> | 20secs for a corrupted fs |
| 00:32 | <interbird> | maybe 30 |
| 00:32 | <fortax> | is this where i need to chroot? |
| 00:32 | <interbird> | what does hdparm -t /dev/device say ? |
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| 00:33 | <interbird> | (raw speed) |
| 00:34 | <interbird> | update initramfs can not be run from a live cd |
| 00:34 | <fortax> | /dev/sdb: Timing buffered disk reads: 104 MB in 3.02 seconds = 34.43 MB/sec |
| 00:34 | <interbird> | you could extract the initramfs, check it, and then recompress it |
| 00:34 | <interbird> | my guess your prob is in there |
| 00:35 | <interbird> | you know whata initramfs does ? |
| 00:35 | <fortax> | no sir |
| 00:35 | * | enouf was distracted ... am back and reading scrollback |
| 00:36 | <interbird> | pretty ladies ? |
| 00:37 | <enouf> | fortax: you can run it after you chroot |
| 00:37 | <enouf> | interbird: somewhat, yes ;-) |
| 00:37 | <interbird> | hehe |
| 00:38 | <fortax> | enouf: run what? update-initramfs? |
| 00:38 | <enouf> | yes |
| 00:38 | <interbird> | from a lice cd ? |
| 00:38 | <fortax> | ... |
| 00:38 | <interbird> | (live) |
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| 00:38 | <enouf> | yes |
| 00:38 | <fortax> | i'm using a livecd |
| 00:39 | <interbird> | to update the initramfs on the live cd? |
| 00:39 | <interbird> | or use special dest parms? |
| 00:39 | <enouf> | chroot makes your / the real-root-fs, so one surely can then use the pkg manager and all other utils, so long as needed mounts are bounf |
| 00:39 | <enouf> | bound |
| 00:39 | <fortax> | you just lost me with that one. never chrooted anything before |
| 00:39 | <enouf> | interbird: to update-initramfs on his install initrd |
| 00:40 | <interbird> | ahh, ok, he's in a chroot from out of a live cd; ok |
| 00:40 | <enouf> | i explained it all -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^ up ther |
| 00:40 | <fortax> | how to chroot? |
| 00:40 | <interbird> | yeah, sorry, got distracted too... |
| 00:41 | <enouf> | AND, you also want to apt-get --purge remove usplash and friends |
| 00:41 | <fortax> | sorry. i'm using irssi on the livecd and the scrollback only goes up one page |
| 00:41 | <fortax> | yes. the first thing i'll do is get rid of usplash |
| 00:41 | <enouf> | 23:26 < enouf> mount --bind /proc /mnt/point/proc ; same for /dev but use /mnt/point/dev and maybe /sys ; chroot /mnt/point |
| 00:41 | <enouf> | 23:26 < enouf> mount --bind /proc /mnt/point/proc ; same for /dev but use /mnt/point/dev and maybe /sys ; chroot /mnt/point |
| 00:41 | <enouf> | ahir |
| 00:41 | <enouf> | shit |
| 00:42 | <enouf> | dammit - scrollback is messing with me again .. |
| 00:42 | <interbird> | what is usplash? some boot lady ? |
| 00:43 | <enouf> | some frilly nonsense |
| 00:43 | <enouf> | i think |
| 00:43 | <fortax> | so 'mount --bind /proc /mnt/myhdd/proc' and 'mount --bind /dev /mnt/myhdd/dev' and 'mount --bind /sys /mnt/myhdd/sys' and then 'chroot /mnt/myhdd' |
| 00:43 | <fortax> | does that sound right? it's a bootsplash customizer |
| 00:43 | <fortax> | if myhdd is the mount point for the fs |
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| 00:43 | <interbird> | pfew |
| 00:43 | <enouf> | it just always seems to mess with printk and vga= stuffs ... but, i would even add a vga=791 for good measuer |
| 00:44 | <interbird> | for starters |
| 00:44 | <fortax> | i've never use chroot before. is what i typed above correct? |
| 00:44 | <enouf> | ues |
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| 00:44 | <enouf> | fortax: yes |
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| 00:45 | <enouf> | fortax: then to exit chroot, type exit, and do NOT forget to umount those three you mounted - see output of 'mount' |
| 00:45 | <interbird> | once this fortax problem is solved it should go into the anals of: "how do i..." |
| 00:46 | <interbird> | like how do a get a vista-like menu on my gnome on debian |
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| 00:47 | <enouf> | but while in chroot - do the apt-get ,,, and any editing of menu.lst and /etc/fstab if needed , and "update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.26-2.686" |
| 00:47 | <fortax> | on noes! |
| 00:47 | <fortax> | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/zsh': No such file or directory |
| 00:47 | <enouf> | though ... make sure your LVM and any crypsetup stuff is listed in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
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| 00:48 | <fortax> | enouf: is that after i chroot? |
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| 00:48 | <enouf> | prior to update-initramfs -- but wait - that kernel worked Fine previously? shouldn't be an issue with your initrd then! |
| 00:48 | <fortax> | while i'm INSIDE my system? |
| 00:48 | <interbird> | fortax: what does chroot do ? |
| 00:48 | <fortax> | yes. worked fine |
| 00:48 | <fortax> | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/zsh': No such file or directory |
| 00:48 | <fortax> | which one should i install |
| 00:48 | <enouf> | then, if you didn't change anythying about it, forget it for now |
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| 00:49 | <interbird> | your /bin is not --bind mounted to your chroot |
| 00:49 | <stew> | fortax: you don't have zsh installed in the chroot, so run "chroot whereever /bin/bash" instead of just "chroot whereever" |
| 00:50 | <interbird> | does he use a copy of or a --bind ? |
| 00:50 | <fortax> | chroot /mnt/myhdd/bin/bash |
| 00:50 | <fortax> | chroot: cannot change root directory to /mnt/myhdd/bin/bash: Not a directory |
| 00:51 | <fortax> | stew:^^ |
| 00:51 | <enouf> | fortax: close, no cigar |
| 00:51 | <interbird> | lol |
| 00:51 | <enouf> | fortax: chroot /mnt/myhdd /bin/bash |
| 00:51 | <fortax> | :( |
| 00:51 | <fortax> | ok |
| 00:51 | <fortax> | i'm presented witha prompt |
| 00:51 | <enouf> | bingo - ls -l |
| 00:52 | <enouf> | you should see your / FS contents |
| 00:52 | <interbird> | ls -ls /bin/zsh -- does it exist anyways ? |
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| 00:52 | <interbird> | ls -la |
| 00:52 | <fortax> | ls: cannot access /bin/zsh: No such file or directory |
| 00:52 | <enouf> | ls /home/username -- you should see your Installation /home/username/ contents |
| 00:52 | <interbird> | apt-get install zsh ? |
| 00:52 | <fortax> | yes it's there |
| 00:52 | <interbird> | for whatever zsh is needed for... |
| 00:52 | <enouf> | he doesn't need zsh :-P |
| 00:53 | <interbird> | so why then ? |
| 00:53 | <enouf> | it's not, the LiveCD uses it |
| 00:53 | <interbird> | so? |
| 00:53 | <interbird> | he'sin chroot |
| 00:53 | <enouf> | so that's why it was looking for it |
| 00:53 | <enouf> | it's not anymore |
| 00:53 | <interbird> | did he mount --bind stuff into his chroot ? |
| 00:53 | <enouf> | echo $SHELL fortax |
| 00:53 | <enouf> | yes, AFAICT |
| 00:54 | <interbird> | mount -l ? |
| 00:54 | <interbird> | mount -l | grep bind |
| 00:54 | <enouf> | i want to see if he has bash or sh |
| 00:54 | <interbird> | paste that |
| 00:54 | <interbird> | which bash |
| 00:54 | <interbird> | sh is a symlink |
| 00:54 | <interbird> | mount -l | grep bind |
| 00:54 | <enouf> | interbird: that would showup in and out of the chroot since he --bind mounted outside of it |
| 00:54 | <interbird> | what does that say ? |
| 00:54 | <fortax> | you guys want to see this |
| 00:55 | <fortax> | just a sec |
| 00:55 | <enouf> | interbird: in Debian, it's a symlink to bash, yes |
| 00:55 | <fortax> | i always use bash |
| 00:55 | <enouf> | echo $SHELL fortax |
| 00:55 | <fortax> | /bin/zsh |
| 00:55 | <enouf> | haha |
| 00:56 | <interbird> | enouf: inside the chroot, stuff can be --binded or hard linked; the chroot environment is accessable from the top; so, is it there or not ? |
| 00:56 | <enouf> | fortax: what did you mean "00:42 < fortax> i'm presented witha promp" then? |
| 00:56 | <stew> | hopefully soon it will be a symlink to dash instead of bash for most people |
| 00:56 | <enouf> | interbird: you can do it a couple of ways, use --bind outside, or just mount it from within |
| 00:56 | <fortax> | http://pastebin.com/f3c59fa48 |
| 00:57 | <enouf> | that works for atleast /proc |
| 00:57 | <enouf> | stew: you're a closet dash promoter/user? ;-P |
| 00:57 | <interbird> | yeah, so a mount -l|grep bind should show the bound dirs; what are those on his box ? |
| 00:57 | <stew> | enouf: if it will cut people's boot time in half, I don't see why not |
| 00:58 | <fortax> | ... |
| 00:58 | * | interbird is chrooting into CP/M, just for the fun of it |
| 00:58 | <stew> | and no, me saying it out in public means I'm not closeted about it :) |
| 00:58 | <enouf> | stew: does 'aptitude remove ...' imply --purge ? |
| 00:58 | <enouf> | hehe |
| 00:58 | <fortax> | sorry, what? |
| 00:59 | <enouf> | stew: nobody serious about using Debian cares about boot times O_o |
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| 00:59 | <stew> | enouf: no, aptitude purge does |
| 00:59 | <enouf> | stew: i wouldn't mind if it took the time it takes to make a pot of coffee ;-P |
| 00:59 | <enouf> | stew: ahh |
| 00:59 | <enouf> | thanks |
| 00:59 | <enouf> | the purge implies the remove then |
| 01:00 | <enouf> | fortax: so, you'll still have all those usplash config files |
| 01:00 | <fortax> | just noticed that. |
| 01:00 | <fortax> | can i remove them by hand? |
| 01:00 | <stew> | enouf: and yes, my wife cares about boot time. but mostly because I can't figure out why hibernate stopped working on her laptop |
| 01:01 | <interbird> | stew: because you hibernated? (just a joke) |
| 01:01 | <enouf> | heh, i thought it was grml .. |
| 01:01 | <enouf> | stew: i see - gotta keep the lady happy - that i know ;-) |
| 01:02 | <fortax> | enouf: i'm using grml, yes. what are all those lines about 2.6.28-2-686 not being found? |
| 01:02 | <interbird> | numero uno; then you can go your gang' |
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| 01:02 | <enouf> | i don't know what to even make of your pastebin fortax .. why is update-initramfs even there? |
| 01:02 | <enouf> | does usplash crap modify your initrd? |
| 01:02 | <fortax> | that was just me running 'apt-get remove usplash' |
| 01:02 | <enouf> | /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 does not exist. Cannot update. |
| 01:02 | <fortax> | that's what i noticed when i installed it |
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| 01:02 | <interbird> | fortax: what if you read-upon some stuff and check-in tomorrow again ? |
| 01:02 | <enouf> | fortax: dpkg -P <pkg1> <pkg2> ... |
| 01:03 | <enouf> | !uspalsh |
| 01:03 | <enouf> | !usplash |
| 01:03 | <fortax> | then i installed a couple of other packages and it updated something with initramfs again |
| 01:03 | <enouf> | alrighty then |
| 01:03 | <fortax> | interbird: what should i be reading? |
| 01:03 | <enouf> | dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.26-2.686 |
| 01:03 | <enouf> | try that |
| 01:04 | <fortax> | Package `linux-image-2.6.26-2.686' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 01:04 | <fortax> | Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files, |
| 01:04 | <fortax> | and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents. |
| 01:04 | <fortax> | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: linux-image-2.6.26-2.686 is not installed |
| 01:04 | -!- | fortax was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood] |
| 01:04 | <interbird> | fortax: dunno, you tell me ? |
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| 01:04 | <enouf> | dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 or that - get the name correct ;-) |
| 01:04 | <fortax> | ...right |
| 01:04 | <fortax> | just a sec |
| 01:04 | <enouf> | ls -l /boot |
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| 01:05 | <enouf> | or dpkg -l linux-image-* |
| 01:05 | <fortax> | Internal Error: Could not find image (/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686) |
| 01:05 | <enouf> | so long as you're still within your chroot |
| 01:05 | <enouf> | fortax: fortax is your /boot partition mounted? |
| 01:05 | <fortax> | http://pastebin.com/f2f43b984 |
| 01:05 | <fortax> | enouf: yes |
| 01:05 | <fortax> | it is |
| 01:06 | <interbird> | pseudo: for p in *splash*; purge $p; rof |
| 01:06 | <fortax> | but i haven't chrooted anything to it |
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| 01:06 | <enouf> | fortax: hrm ... try mount -t FSTYPE /boot /mnt/myhdd/boot |
| 01:07 | <fortax> | i had it mounted on /mnt/myboot |
| 01:08 | <enouf> | or exit the chroot; do it all over, but this time add /boot as well prior to --bind mounting - you should've umounted your LVM prior to --bind mounts and chroot, IINM |
| 01:08 | * | enouf is getting a bit lost now ... hrm |
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| 01:09 | * | interbird sees enouf in the neighbourhood |
| 01:09 | <fortax> | how do i get out of the chroot? |
| 01:09 | <enouf> | linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 <--that's the correct name, although with "update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.26-2-686" that would be the correct way to feed it version |
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| 01:09 | <enouf> | exit |
| 01:10 | <enouf> | type 'exit' |
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| 01:10 | <interbird> | exit,quit,stop,bye are some words one is believed to have tried before asking |
| 01:11 | <enouf> | do exit in a shell session and you lose the session :-P |
| 01:11 | <interbird> | enouf is like a mother; he truly cares |
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| 01:12 | <enouf> | heh - and i carry a big stick :-p |
| 01:12 | <fortax> | i've tried exit,quit,stop,and bye. i think i'm out of the chroot, but the partitions are still mounted. |
| 01:13 | <interbird> | hehe; lol! |
| 01:13 | <enouf> | fortax: ofcourse they are; umount /mnt/myhdd/sys .. etc etc |
| 01:13 | <fortax> | i hope i didn't make it worse |
| 01:13 | <interbird> | ctrl-c is also one |
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| 01:14 | <enouf> | i can't even tell if you properly removed and/or purged the pkgs, at worst, that went well, and the real issue is getting your initrd updated |
| 01:14 | <fortax> | i removed usplash. i did not purge it as i should have. so yes the config files seem to still be there. |
| 01:14 | <enouf> | i guess you could try to reinstall the linux-image-VERSION pkg - again, chroot - then do it |
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| 01:15 | <fortax> | i exited the chroot as well. |
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| 01:15 | <urbinek> | hi, is there any way to undelete files on ext3 ? |
| 01:15 | <interbird> | fortax: step by step, but know what you do |
| 01:15 | <interbird> | no |
| 01:15 | <urbinek> | !@#$%^&* |
| 01:15 | <dr|z3d> | urbinek: Not really. Good luck finding a recovery tool! |
| 01:15 | <fortax> | what about snoop |
| 01:15 | <fortax> | is that what it's called? |
| 01:16 | <urbinek> | i'v just dele my script dir ... |
| 01:16 | <fortax> | nm |
| 01:16 | <interbird> | urbinek: could shut off the pc; boot another pc; google for ext3 recovery tools |
| 01:17 | <enouf> | !undelete |
| 01:17 | <dpkg> | Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" from menu. For ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html and ask about <ext3grep>. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. |
| 01:17 | <enouf> | urbinek: ^^^^^ |
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| 01:17 | <interbird> | my guess it's on his /, so no unmiuning there... |
| 01:18 | <fortax> | so now i want to mount --bind /sys /proc /dev and /boot, then chroot to /mnt/myhdd, then reinstall usplash then purge it then reinstall linux-image-2.6.26-2.686 |
| 01:18 | <fortax> | ? |
| 01:18 | <enouf> | english please :-p |
| 01:18 | <urbinek> | interbird: yey black magick, but thx |
| 01:18 | <interbird> | the only way |
| 01:18 | <urbinek> | interbird: no its on /home |
| 01:19 | <fortax> | enouf: then update-initramfs? |
| 01:19 | <enouf> | fortax: you could try aptitude purge pkg1 ,,, |
| 01:19 | <interbird> | and /home is a separate partition ? |
| 01:19 | <urbinek> | yes |
| 01:19 | <enouf> | fortax: or dpkg -P as i mentioned, no need to reinstall those |
| 01:19 | <interbird> | not on the same disk as / ? |
| 01:19 | <interbird> | you might be in luck then |
| 01:20 | <enouf> | fortax: yes, and/or dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 01:20 | <interbird> | hard kill the mount; you don't want any activity on that partition from now on |
| 01:20 | <interbird> | then google for some ext3 recovery stuff and pray; i will to |
| 01:20 | <enouf> | fortax: umount whatever grml auto mounts concerning your / and /boot - then start with the --bind mountsa |
| 01:21 | <interbird> | and if you want to remount this partition, do it *readonly* |
| 01:21 | <interbird> | (if it can be remounted) |
| 01:21 | <enouf> | no, he needs rw |
| 01:21 | <enouf> | so he can do shit .. if it was for a fsck, then yes |
| 01:22 | <enouf> | are we talking about 2 different nicks? |
| 01:22 | <fortax> | sorry. i might of missed this part |
| 01:22 | <interbird> | urbinek: for next time, look at man rsync or some other backup tool |
| 01:22 | <fortax> | grml# dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 01:22 | <urbinek> | interbird hmm in other words i'm in deep ass ... k, i'll try it from work |
| 01:22 | <fortax> | Internal Error: Could not find image (/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686) |
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| 01:22 | <urbinek> | interbird: i know, but backup is always needed when something goes wrong :D |
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| 01:24 | <interbird> | urbinek: a usb stick is soo cheap these days, and scripts are soo small; i know... it all comes down with 'discipline'... hard lessons... |
| 01:24 | <fortax> | grml# dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 01:24 | <fortax> | Internal Error: Could not find image (/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686) |
| 01:24 | <fortax> | enouf: ^^^ |
| 01:24 | <interbird> | urbinek: thats is a true statement |
| 01:25 | <enouf> | fortax: and show me output of cat /proc/mounts |
| 01:25 | <enouf> | !pastebin |
| 01:25 | <dpkg> | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 01:25 | <interbird> | urbinek: ext3 is fairly good documented; there are tools and ways; it will take time; maybe more that to rewrite them; if you rewrite them, changes are they will be better that they were... :-) |
| 01:26 | <fortax> | http://pastebin.com/f73dd5fc |
| 01:26 | <enouf> | fortax: your /boot is NON-LVM, correct? |
| 01:26 | <interbird> | s/that/than/ |
| 01:26 | <fortax> | enouf yes |
| 01:26 | <urbinek> | interbird: i'm considering that xD i'll need to rewrite 5 or 8 scripts i've used |
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| 01:26 | <urbinek> | but they were loooong |
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| 01:27 | <interbird> | you see? scripts should not be that long |
| 01:27 | <enouf> | fortax: er .. you haven't yet bind mounted, nor chrooted? |
| 01:27 | <interbird> | now make them better, more modulair, and make a backup |
| 01:28 | <enouf> | fortax: gah, they |
| 01:28 | <enouf> | fortax: gah, they're mounted nodev,noexec ... gah |
| 01:28 | <urbinek> | interbird: they do a lot of stuff, i'll try to recover if not time to move :) |
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| 01:29 | <fortax> | enouf http://pastebin.com/f7d38a9a0 |
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| 01:29 | <fortax> | where should i run 'cat /proc/mounts' from? inside the chroot or from grml? |
| 01:30 | <fortax> | i think the first one was from inside the chroot. the last one i just ran from grml |
| 01:30 | <enouf> | inside the chroot .. usually .. but it shouldn't matter .. IINM |
| 01:30 | <interbird> | urbinek: i've lost so many important scripts, and every time i rewrote them they got better; i learned about bash subroutines, etc; now a have a backup. |
| 01:30 | <enouf> | i see |
| 01:30 | <fortax> | maybe i should reboot and start over |
| 01:30 | <interbird> | It's a hard wy to learn; but fruitful |
| 01:31 | <interbird> | my condoleances |
| 01:31 | <urbinek> | hehe, thx |
| 01:31 | <fortax> | i swear i heard of a recovery tool for ext3 |
| 01:32 | <jm_> | fortax: yes, ~carlo17 document explains it in detail |
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| 01:33 | <fortax> | enouf: so i'm reinstalling 2.6.26-2-686 right now |
| 01:34 | <enouf> | fortax: ok - makes sense actually - my bad - still .. they're being mounted nodev,noexec - that's a problem. so exit the chroot and umount them and pass each --bind mount the -o dev,exec as options |
| 01:34 | <enouf> | ok |
| 01:34 | <urbinek> | k, thx guyz, i'm going for some breakfast and to work ~_~ cu |
| 01:34 | <enouf> | and this whole afs (another union fs) is freaking me out |
| 01:35 | <fortax> | enouf: so 'mount -o,dev exec /proc /mnt/myhdd/proc' ? |
| 01:35 | <enouf> | add --bind, or just list it in the options as bind |
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| 01:36 | <enouf> | the --bind is just shorthand fortax |
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| 01:36 | <jgooch> | Hi, is this the right channel to ask for help? |
| 01:36 | <enouf> | mount -o dev,exec,bind /proc /mnt/myhdd/proc |
| 01:36 | <fortax> | right 'mount --bind -o,dev exec /proc /mnt/myhdd/proc' |
| 01:36 | <interbird> | no |
| 01:36 | <enouf> | fortax: |
| 01:37 | <fortax> | oh, and look at this http://pastebin.com/f778d33d9 |
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| 01:37 | <interbird> | we charge $100 per second |
| 01:37 | <enouf> | fortax: If you abort the installation, you should then move /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel (for instance as | | /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686.kernel.old) and then try re-installing this image. |
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| 01:38 | <enouf> | fortax: try that |
| 01:38 | <jgooch> | lol |
| 01:38 | <jgooch> | Is it possible to set up grub on a software RAID1 array? I can't seem to get it working. |
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| 01:39 | <fortax> | enouf: crap. i accidently chose not to abort then Ctrl-C to stop it |
| 01:39 | <interbird> | raid1, what was that again? how many physical disks? |
| 01:39 | <fortax> | this is getting retarded |
| 01:39 | <enouf> | indeed |
| 01:39 | <jgooch> | I've got two 2TB disks in the array. |
| 01:40 | <jgooch> | It's mirroring. |
| 01:40 | <fortax> | sry. never messed with linux internals to this extent |
| 01:40 | <interbird> | bios raid ? |
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| 01:40 | <jgooch> | nope |
| 01:40 | <enouf> | fortax: you should consider booting grml with the nofstab option so you don't have all those other extraneous mounts |
| 01:40 | <fortax> | http://pastebin.com/f47279d35 |
| 01:41 | <fortax> | i'll try that on the next boot |
| 01:41 | <enouf> | but whatever |
| 01:41 | <interbird> | does grub see one or two disks ? |
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| 01:41 | <jgooch> | there are two in my device.map |
| 01:41 | <jgooch> | /dev/sda /dev/sdb |
| 01:42 | <fortax> | enouf: so should i just reboot? |
| 01:42 | <jgooch> | LILO seems to be working, but I prefer grub. |
| 01:42 | <fortax> | me too |
| 01:42 | <interbird> | what hd-controller do you use ? |
| 01:42 | <enouf> | fortax: now you seem to have a cryptsetup issue |
| 01:42 | <interbird> | (lspci) |
| 01:42 | <jgooch> | I'm not familiar with the term 'hd-controller'. |
| 01:43 | <enouf> | and it can't find update-grub .. wait fortax |
| 01:43 | <fortax> | ok |
| 01:43 | <enouf> | is your / FS mounted as well? the LVM? |
| 01:43 | <interbird> | and lilo works for you ? |
| 01:43 | <jgooch> | yes |
| 01:43 | <fortax> | enouf: i think so... |
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| 01:43 | <interbird> | hd-controller is the controller that controls your harddisks |
| 01:43 | <fortax> | enouf: yes it is |
| 01:43 | <jgooch> | Ah, I'm not sure which one it is. |
| 01:44 | <fortax> | is that wrong? |
| 01:44 | <interbird> | lspci will tell you what you use |
| 01:44 | <fortax> | it's wrong huh. |
| 01:44 | <jgooch> | It's a zotac board. I've never used them before. |
| 01:44 | <jgooch> | Ok, just a second |
| 01:44 | <enouf> | fortax: i'm just wondering if you need to bind mount that ,,,hrm... ive not messed with recovering LVM and cryptsetup stuffs prior |
| 01:44 | <jgooch> | The command lspci is not found :'( |
| 01:44 | <enouf> | !rescue mode |
| 01:44 | <dpkg> | Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Etch users: Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 01:45 | <fortax> | so you think my problem is with GRUB? |
| 01:45 | <enouf> | fortax: see if http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto can help at all - take a breather |
| 01:45 | <urbinek> | bath is beautifully http://www42.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=PolarPlot%5B%281+%2B+0.9+Cos%5B8+t%5D%29+%281+%2B+0.1+Cos%5B24+t%5D%29+%280.9+%2B+0.05+Cos%5B200+t%5D%29+%281+%2B+Sin%5Bt%5D%29%2C+%7Bt%2C+-Pi%2C+Pi%7D%5D |
| 01:45 | <urbinek> | math * |
| 01:45 | <interbird> | if lilo works, and you use mirroring, which means both disks are 'parallel', using grub will write the grub-code to both disks; like lilo was; but this is just an educated guess of mine |
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| 01:46 | <jgooch> | I think grub only gets installed to one of the disk's MBR IIRC. |
| 01:46 | <interbird> | why does setting-upgrub does not work ? does it give an error? |
| 01:47 | <jgooch> | I will get the error. |
| 01:47 | <jgooch> | It is from grub2. |
| 01:47 | <interbird> | ahhh |
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| 01:47 | <jgooch> | normal grub gives a different code, I can try to get it too |
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| 01:47 | <interbird> | dunno about grub2, tried it on single disks, grub2 is still a work in progress; not "stable" |
| 01:47 | * | dr|z3d is running grub2. |
| 01:48 | <dr|z3d> | The upgrade for me was painless. |
| 01:48 | <interbird> | upgrade ? |
| 01:48 | <interbird> | grub2 is still in beta |
| 01:49 | <dr|z3d> | I upgraded it on an Ubu box. |
| 01:49 | <jgooch> | grub-setup: error: Core image is too big for embedding, but this is required when the root device is on a RAID array or LVM volume. |
| 01:49 | <jgooch> | oh? |
| 01:49 | <jgooch> | I just have it install at the moment because grub wasn't working. |
| 01:49 | <jm_> | jgooch: you can limit the number/list of modules to go in the image |
| 01:49 | <enouf> | jgooch: "jgooch> I think grub only gets installed to one of the disk's MBR IIRC." <-- it does in grub1 the trick is to alter device.map so both /dev/sda AND /dev/sdb point to hd0 |
| 01:49 | <jgooch> | I can stick to grub if it will help. |
| 01:49 | <enouf> | then install grub again to /dev/sdb |
| 01:49 | <jgooch> | I will try that, thank you. |
| 01:50 | <interbird> | an uprade is the replacement of a (redundant) version by a new version; replacing grub with grub2 is not 'upgrading' |
| 01:50 | <jgooch> | brb |
| 01:50 | <interbird> | it's "testing if it'll work" |
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| 01:50 | <interbird> | grub2 is not released and in beta |
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| 01:51 | <interbird> | also, grub2 might work for some but does not for most |
| 01:51 | <enouf> | jgooch: grub2 is very modular - you need to manually 'insmod <modulename>' in the grub shell and/or setup /etc/grub.conf and /etc/default/grub* correctly |
| 01:51 | <interbird> | i advise against grub2 for the time being |
| 01:53 | <jgooch> | back |
| 01:53 | <jgooch> | I have made it so (hd0) is assigned to /dev/sda and /dev/sdb in my device.map |
| 01:53 | <enouf> | well, for grub2 issues, atleast #grub on freenode.net only deals with grub2 now, all support for legacy grub2 isn't supported there - though it's also only a dev channel |
| 01:54 | <jgooch> | It gives an error when I try grub-install |
| 01:54 | <enouf> | grub-install (hd0)/dev/sdb ? |
| 01:54 | <enouf> | is this grub1? |
| 01:55 | <jgooch> | Yes, I removed grub2 and installed grub1 |
| 01:55 | <jgooch> | let me try that command |
| 01:55 | <enouf> | what's the error? |
| 01:55 | <jgooch> | I did 'grub-install /dev/sda' |
| 01:55 | <jgooch> | it says that (hd0) is defined multiple times in my device map |
| 01:55 | <jgooch> | I think I did it wrong. |
| 01:55 | <jgooch> | I just defined hd0 twice |
| 01:56 | <jgooch> | I will try your command. |
| 01:57 | <jgooch> | it also has an error. syntax error near unexpected token 'hd0' |
| 01:58 | <jgooch> | I've only got CLI here. Let me SSH in through my windows box upstairs and I'll be able to get errors faster |
| 01:58 | <jm_> | the syntax is grub-install /dev/sdb or '(hd0)' but not both |
| 01:59 | <interbird> | grub |
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| 01:59 | <interbird> | root (hdn[,m]) -- this is where it expects it's files |
| 02:00 | <interbird> | setup (hd0,[n]) -- that is were the grub boot-code will be installed |
| 02:00 | <jgooch> | back |
| 02:00 | <enouf> | jgooch: http://grub.enbug.org/MirroringRAID |
| 02:00 | <interbird> | sometimes a symlink in /boot to inself is needed |
| 02:00 | <enouf> | is where i got that info |
| 02:00 | <interbird> | like: |
| 02:00 | <interbird> | cd /boot |
| 02:01 | <interbird> | ln -sf . boot |
| 02:02 | <jgooch> | well let me tell you the error I get when I try grub-install with everything default |
| 02:02 | <jgooch> | maybe it will help |
| 02:02 | <enouf> | jgooch: you need the grub shell, not grub-install |
| 02:02 | <enouf> | just fire up grub |
| 02:03 | <interbird> | note that grub does not see things like when linux is booted; it just knows about devices (hd0) and is able to access filesystems to read files like kernels |
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| 02:03 | <jgooch> | oh ok |
| 02:03 | <jgooch> | I am reading that page you linked. |
| 02:03 | <enouf> | grub shell even has find and cat , etc |
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| 02:03 | <jgooch> | I've been googling this for a few days, haven't been able to figure it out on my own |
| 02:04 | <interbird> | grub is very powerful; if you can boot it, you can experiment "on-the-fly" with it |
| 02:04 | <jgooch> | I get 'The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.' when everything is default |
| 02:04 | <jgooch> | and I run grub-install |
| 02:04 | <enouf> | jgooch: this is for typical manual grub shell installations , just to show use of find http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html |
| 02:04 | <interbird> | start grub |
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| 02:04 | <interbird> | you get a prompt |
| 02:05 | <enouf> | stop running grub-install! |
| 02:05 | <jm_> | the grub emulator is started via grub-emu for grub2 (not grub like previously) |
| 02:05 | <jgooch> | well I am thoroughly confused.. can we start from the beginning? |
| 02:05 | <interbird> | are we talking about grub or grub2 ? |
| 02:06 | <jgooch> | I've got grub1 install now as per suggestions earlier |
| 02:06 | <jgooch> | I'm willing to just forget about grub2 if it's in beta |
| 02:06 | <interbird> | are we talking about grub or grub2 ? |
| 02:06 | <enouf> | just read and comprehend the last 2 URLs i posted - they're fairly simple and straight forward - absorb, comprehend |
| 02:06 | <jgooch> | I just tried it since regular grub wasn't working |
| 02:07 | <jgooch> | I understand, but the first link seems to be for when you already have grub running |
| 02:07 | <sney> | when grub isn't working and you can't figure it out there's always the simple option: lilo |
| 02:07 | <jgooch> | I'm getting a lot of advice coming from different people which is confusing me |
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| 02:07 | <interbird> | grub does not run; it loads |
| 02:07 | <jm_> | jgooch: no, it's for installing grub |
| 02:07 | <jgooch> | I should have said "working" |
| 02:07 | <enouf> | jgooch: type 'grub' in even an xterm |
| 02:07 | <interbird> | a running grub, like the grub command in linux, just lets you configure it |
| 02:08 | <jgooch> | I know that. |
| 02:08 | <interbird> | but you have to know 2 things |
| 02:08 | <interbird> | where is the grub menu.list and the stage files; this is your (root) |
| 02:08 | <enouf> | jgooch: you see this? http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m580c37a4 |
| 02:09 | <jgooch> | yes when I type grub that works |
| 02:09 | <interbird> | and where do you want to install the grub boot code (this can be the MBR but also a LBR) (linked) |
| 02:09 | <interbird> | ok |
| 02:09 | <enouf> | carry on |
| 02:09 | <jgooch> | I don't really care where it goes. I want it to be usable by both disks though. |
| 02:09 | <interbird> | nou do: root (hd... press tab) |
| 02:10 | <interbird> | you will see your divices enumberated |
| 02:10 | <interbird> | not the dots |
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| 02:10 | <jgooch> | lol I just get whitespace when I press tab |
| 02:11 | <interbird> | root (hd then press tab |
| 02:11 | <jgooch> | yes I do that |
| 02:11 | <jgooch> | but just whitespace |
| 02:11 | <interbird> | ** this grub stuff can make things unbootable -- make sure you know what you are doing ** |
| 02:12 | <interbird> | no devices ? |
| 02:12 | <jgooch> | i don't have anything on this system I can't replace so I don't mind if it bricks my drive |
| 02:12 | <interbird> | ok |
| 02:12 | <interbird> | no devices ? |
| 02:12 | <jgooch> | my device.map has two devices in it |
| 02:12 | <interbird> | type help |
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| 02:13 | <enouf> | jgooch: that URL abount mirroring RAID presumes your sda failed |
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| 02:13 | <interbird> | there is a "devices" command or something like that; it will show the devices grub found |
| 02:13 | <interbird> | device.map is not needed by grub; in live-grub, type help |
| 02:14 | <jgooch> | k |
| 02:14 | <jgooch> | i get a list of commands |
| 02:14 | <enouf> | and allows you to install to sdb, which becomes hd0 only *if* sda fails fatally - that's wwhy i said read, absorb -- just use sdb as hd1 in device.map |
| 02:15 | <jgooch> | there is no devices command listed |
| 02:15 | <interbird> | type root (hd ad then press the tab-key |
| 02:15 | <interbird> | s/ad/and/ |
| 02:15 | <jgooch> | i get whitespace |
| 02:16 | <enouf> | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Device-syntax.html |
| 02:16 | <interbird> | what are you on? chroot, virtual? |
| 02:16 | <jgooch> | I don't know what either of those are. |
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| 02:16 | <jgooch> | I just installed this on my 'server' box. |
| 02:16 | <enouf> | The reason why the grub shell gives you the device map file is that it cannot guess the map between BIOS drives and OS devices correctly in some environments. For example, if you exchange the boot sequence between IDE and SCSI in your BIOS, it gets the order wrong. Thus, edit the file if the grub shell makes a mistake. You can put any comments in the file if needed, as the grub shell assumes that a line is just a comment if the first character |
| 02:16 | <jgooch> | Trying to set up a fileserver |
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| 02:17 | <interbird> | to your knowledge, should grub be able tofind a harddisk ? |
| 02:17 | <jgooch> | .. I don't see why not |
| 02:17 | <interbird> | so do i (see why not) |
| 02:17 | <jgooch> | I have two of them in the system |
| 02:18 | <enouf> | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Basic-usage.html |
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| 02:18 | <interbird> | if grub does not see any devices than installing grub on a device is kinda hard... |
| 02:18 | <enouf> | you can also try the --recheck option, but i think that only avail to grub-install ,,gah |
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| 02:20 | <enouf> | interbird: funny, grub shell launched here in an xterm acts funnily too - when doing root (hd[tab] it just jumps to the next line with no changes :-p |
| 02:20 | <enouf> | but - hrm .. grub-common is also installed - which is grub2 ish .. i wonder if .. |
| 02:20 | <interbird> | jgooch: i'm in the dark; from the grub-prompt, devices should be visible; dunno why this is not the case with you |
| 02:21 | <enouf> | ~$ which grub |
| 02:21 | <enouf> | /usr/sbin/grub |
| 02:21 | <enouf> | ~$ /usr/sbin/grub --version |
| 02:21 | <enouf> | grub (GNU GRUB 0.97) |
| 02:21 | <enouf> | oh well, guess not :-p |
| 02:21 | <interbird> | enouf: strang indeed;i just started it and it shows my hd's |
| 02:21 | <jgooch> | huh |
| 02:21 | <interbird> | time for grub2 ? (:-) |
| 02:21 | <jgooch> | lol |
| 02:22 | <jgooch> | well |
| 02:22 | <jgooch> | I think bed is in order right now. |
| 02:22 | <jgooch> | I'll resume trying tomorrow. |
| 02:22 | <enouf> | interbird: i do have my 1st HDD in slot hdb, which is a reiserfs but has no partition table .. i wonder if it's freaking grub out - hdc is my main drive |
| 02:22 | <interbird> | sometimes that is all that is needed... :-) |
| 02:22 | <jgooch> | lol |
| 02:22 | <jgooch> | thanks for the help everyone though |
| 02:22 | <enouf> | interbird: hda is my DVDRW |
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| 02:23 | <interbird> | enouf: hda your dvdrw? not hdc? |
| 02:23 | <enouf> | even fdisk and friends have a fit over that Not a valid partition table ! ...hehe |
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| 02:23 | <interbird> | interesting hd-mingle... |
| 02:24 | <enouf> | interbird: it just ended up that way ... don't ask how/why - but my main disk is still a Master device -- /dev/hdc is SM |
| 02:24 | <interbird> | enouf: still grub should recognize the first harddisk as (hd0) and discard all dvd-cdrom stuff |
| 02:24 | <enouf> | i used to have a cdrw in hdb, but i needed to replace it with another HDD for space |
| 02:25 | <interbird> | enouf: what are your dev-nodes in /dev ? this means that hdc has a dev-node conforming to a hd ? |
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| 02:25 | <interbird> | and /dev/hda has a dev-node conforming to a dvd ? |
| 02:25 | <interbird> | udev-rules ? |
| 02:26 | <interbird> | strange |
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| 02:26 | <enouf> | interbird: http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m45c96e1a |
| 02:26 | <enouf> | lmao |
| 02:26 | <enouf> | i told you - it's the no partition table thing - grub doesn't like that :-P |
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| 02:27 | <enouf> | sure |
| 02:27 | <non_dumb> | enouf: you were helping me with my chroot sessions. there was a link about crypto right before i got disconnected. |
| 02:27 | <interbird> | enouf: that is the contents of devices.map; what does ls -la /dev/hda say? and ls -la /dev/hdc ? what are the dev-node numbers ? |
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| 02:28 | <enouf> | http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m4f8d4f27 interbird |
| 02:29 | <enouf> | what? |
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| 02:29 | <enouf> | http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m1e8b4f54 |
| 02:30 | <interbird> | enouf: it seems correct... it says your hda is 3,0 which is hda; still.. this is your dvd? |
| 02:30 | <enouf> | you want major/minor? cat /proc/partitions then as well :-p |
| 02:30 | <enouf> | yep |
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| 02:30 | <interbird> | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 3, 0 2009-06-18 17:20 /dev/hda |
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| 02:30 | <interbird> | brw-rw----+ 1 root cdrom 22, 0 2009-06-18 17:20 /dev/hdc |
| 02:31 | <interbird> | ls -la |
| 02:31 | <enouf> | i _could_ and likely will soon mv the data off hdb (hd0) and then repartition it properly and mkfs and see if anything in grub shell changes |
| 02:31 | <bb|[^b]{2}> | hello I'm a debian user but i had to install ubuntu of my laptop, so i get some troubles configuring my network interfaces, the ubuntu channel can't help me so it's because I'm here.. |
| 02:31 | <enouf> | i'll let you know when i do - and the results |
| 02:31 | <interbird> | enouf: what does fdisk -l say and mount -l ? |
| 02:32 | <bb|[^b]{2}> | can I ask here? |
| 02:32 | <interbird> | enouf: this is no grubbie problem |
| 02:32 | <jrabbit> | !ubuntu |
| 02:32 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 02:32 | <interbird> | !ubuntu |
| 02:32 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 02:32 | <interbird> | bb|[^b]{2}: ok |
| 02:33 | <bb|[^b]{2}> | I see |
| 02:33 | <interbird> | bb|[^b]{2}: diffucult nick to type; glad tab-competion works; just ask your quistion |
| 02:34 | <enouf> | interbird: yes it is a grubber issuew |
| 02:34 | <enouf> | http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m74e8fd94 |
| 02:34 | <bb|[^b]{2}> | I configures my wifi with wpa_supplicant and not the NetworkManager and need an applet that works independent of this unlike nm-applet to monitor the signal strength of my wifi connection |
| 02:35 | <interbird> | enouf: well, your /dev/hda seems to be 3,0; a harddisk; maybe some symlinks are mixed-up ? (just a wild guess) |
| 02:35 | <bb|[^b]{2}> | *configured |
| 02:35 | <enouf> | interbird: the MBR on /dev/hdb is all 0s |
| 02:35 | <enouf> | interbird: but i assure you it's occupado .. want me to mount it and show you? |
| 02:35 | <interbird> | enouf: ok, what would your hdb be? what is the dev-node number ? |
| 02:36 | <interbird> | bb|[^b]{2}: dunno, does the wifi icon in gnome not helpyou ? |
| 02:37 | <interbird> | enouf: no |
| 02:37 | <interbird> | enouf: what does fdisk -l /dev/hdb say ? |
| 02:37 | <enouf> | interbird: http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m6c6eb21a |
| 02:37 | <bb|[^b]{2}> | interbird, the gnome applet use NetworkManager service with I disabled |
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| 02:38 | <bb|[^b]{2}> | *witche |
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| 02:39 | <interbird> | enouf: hdb seems mounted; it's a disk; what does vol_id /dev/hda1 say ? and vol_id /dev/hdc1 ? |
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| 02:39 | <enouf> | you've seen fdisk l output already |
| 02:39 | <interbird> | bb|[^b]{2}: what do you want to accomplish ? |
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| 02:40 | <enouf> | hda is my DVDRW it won;t say anything |
| 02:40 | <enouf> | there is no hda1 |
| 02:40 | <enouf> | interbird: it's (/dev/hdb) mounted NOW because i just mounted it to show you there's a FS and data on it |
| 02:41 | <enouf> | hdb == hd0, hdv == hd1, hdd == hd2 |
| 02:41 | <enouf> | s/hdv/hdc |
| 02:41 | <bb|[^b]{2}> | interbird, an independent applet that just monitor the signal strength of my wifi connection and do no configurations |
| 02:41 | <interbird> | enouf: hda is not your dvdrw, the /dev/hda dev-node sais it's not; maybe udev-problem? try /etc/init.d/udev restart and in the worst case; just reboot. If it is still like this then i\'m interested in solving... :-) |
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| 02:42 | <interbird> | i know reboot is not done |
| 02:42 | <enouf> | interbird: what on EARTH are you talking about? |
| 02:42 | <interbird> | but sometimes one has to start from the beginning |
| 02:42 | <enouf> | i've rebooted many times too many my friend - am not rebooting now |
| 02:42 | <interbird> | enouf: about your device-mappings... |
| 02:43 | <enouf> | i just proved /dev/hda IS my DVDRW |
| 02:43 | <enouf> | seen the udevinfo and sysfs output? what's the matter with you? |
| 02:43 | <enouf> | here |
| 02:43 | <interbird> | still ls -la /dev/hda says it's 3,0 -- is that the devnode for a dvdrw ? |
| 02:44 | <enouf> | interbird: seen the dmesg | grep ATAPI output? |
| 02:44 | <enouf> | are you selectively missing posts? |
| 02:44 | <enouf> | ~$ sdparm -a /dev/hda | pi |
| 02:44 | <enouf> | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1465914 |
| 02:44 | <enouf> | read /Documentation/devices.txt |
| 02:45 | <enouf> | it's the 1st IDE Drive |
| 02:45 | <interbird> | sorry missed that one; not selectively though... |
| 02:45 | <interbird> | enouf: but do all things work ? |
| 02:46 | <enouf> | ofcourse - except grub shell :-P |
| 02:46 | <enouf> | i play and burn CDs and DVDs in hda all the time with mplayer ..etc etc |
| 02:46 | <interbird> | enouf: don't be offended by me suggesting a reboot, please |
| 02:46 | <enouf> | i don't understand why you think something is wrong |
| 02:47 | <enouf> | interbird: truist me - i know this system |
| 02:47 | <enouf> | i know the BIOS inside and out |
| 02:47 | <interbird> | i thought you thought so |
| 02:47 | <enouf> | interbird: what exactly do you think is wrong/incorrect? |
| 02:47 | <enouf> | the Major Minor? |
| 02:48 | <interbird> | nothing, besides your /dev/hda posing as a harddisk ? |
| 02:48 | <enouf> | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.29/Documentation/devices.txt#L194 interbird |
| 02:48 | <enouf> | ~$ ls -l /dev/hd* |
| 02:48 | <enouf> | brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 3, 0 2009-05-23 07:00 /dev/hda |
| 02:49 | <enouf> | interbird: WHERE is it posing as a HDD? |
| 02:49 | <interbird> | 3,0 dev-no |
| 02:49 | <enouf> | wtf is dev-no? device number? |
| 02:49 | <interbird> | yes |
| 02:50 | <enouf> | 196 0 = /dev/hda Master: whole disk (or CD-ROM) |
| 02:50 | <enouf> | are you blind? |
| 02:50 | <enouf> | or just looney? |
| 02:50 | <interbird> | both |
| 02:50 | <interbird> | ? |
| 02:50 | <enouf> | 196 is the line number :-p |
| 02:50 | * | enouf gives up |
| 02:51 | <enouf> | 3 block First MFM, RLL and IDE hard disk/CD-ROM interface |
| 02:51 | <enouf> | 0 = /dev/hda Master: whole disk (or CD-ROM) |
| 02:51 | <interbird> | interbird: it just ended up that way ... don't ask how/why - but my main disk is still a Master device -- /dev/hdc is SM |
| 02:51 | * | enouf grabs some whiskey -- thought i was helping someone :-( |
| 02:51 | <interbird> | me2 |
| 02:52 | <enouf> | interbird: my Main disk meaning my / is on hdc |
| 02:52 | <enouf> | and hda and hdc are BOTH Master devices |
| 02:52 | <enouf> | hda == DVDRW - hdc == / FS |
| 02:52 | <enouf> | hda == DVDRW - hdc == / FS on HDD |
| 02:52 | <interbird> | yeah, sorry, it just ended up that way for you; beter because it's not default |
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| 02:52 | <enouf> | i told you how it did as well |
| 02:53 | <enouf> | hdb USED to have a CDRW in it's slot, but i needed more HDD space |
| 02:53 | <interbird> | i thought you were wondering why it ended up this way for you |
| 02:53 | <enouf> | me? |
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| 02:53 | <interbird> | no, bety boop |
| 02:53 | <enouf> | !whiskey-a-gogo |
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| 02:53 | <interbird> | beer |
| 02:54 | <interbird> | no shit |
| 02:54 | <enouf> | when hda and hdb were both Optical drives, 1st HDD was hdc == hd0 |
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| 02:54 | <interbird> | half an hour and no problem, that is what i call cool |
| 02:54 | <interbird> | it's enouf :-) |
| 02:55 | <interbird> | friend |
| 02:56 | <enouf> | ;-) |
| 02:56 | <enouf> | !enouf |
| 02:56 | <dpkg> | Cut it out! |
| 02:56 | <interbird> | !shutup dpkg |
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| 02:59 | <enouf> | interbird: ahh .,. when i said ".. don't ask how/why " i meant i didn't want to have to explain it .. hahaha |
| 02:59 | <debam> | enouf, jm_ is there any compiled source/binary debian Koha package |
| 03:00 | <enouf> | interbird: and "Master device -- /dev/hdc is SM" <- SM === Secondary Master |
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| 03:00 | <enouf> | judd: versions koha |
| 03:00 | <judd> | enouf: koha -- |
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| 03:01 | <interbird> | i stand corrected with enouf energie |
| 03:01 | <enouf> | all i see is; |
| 03:01 | <enouf> | ~$ apt-cache search koha |
| 03:01 | <enouf> | id3tool - Command line editor for id3 tags |
| 03:01 | <enouf> | and i have main contrib non-free and dmm |
| 03:02 | <debam> | enouf, judd but this is not main koha package what i require. |
| 03:02 | <interbird> | never explain yourself; it always makes things less cool |
| 03:03 | <non_dumb> | this is the text from my boot. that's where my boot stops at the end there. i'll read the rescue page from the wiki and see if there is anything relevant. |
| 03:03 | <non_dumb> | http://pastebin.com/m4d076b4 |
| 03:03 | <enouf> | debam: judd is a bot - you can search packages.debian.org yourself though |
| 03:03 | <non_dumb> | thx |
| 03:03 | <enouf> | !pdo |
| 03:03 | <dpkg> | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 03:04 | <debam> | enouf, i have searched in packages.debian.org. there is no koha package |
| 03:04 | <enouf> | debam: then unless you find some non-official repo offering it, the answer is no |
| 03:05 | <enouf> | debam: what is it? and how big is it? |
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| 03:05 | <enouf> | debam: do you want to compile it? from upstream? |
| 03:06 | <debam> | enouf, yes but it is giving error |
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| 03:06 | <enouf> | debam: well .. not sure i can help without much more info |
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| 03:06 | <mihkel> | Hi. I'm trying to compile 2.6.30 on Debian Squeeze. Since CONFIG_NF_CT_ACCT is deprecated, I did not compile it as module. But in order to use my iptables script, I need to have connection tracking in kernel. In dmesg, i see: |
| 03:06 | <mihkel> | CONFIG_NF_CT_ACCT is deprecated and will be removed soon. Please use |
| 03:06 | <mihkel> | nf_conntrack.acct=1 kernel paramater, acct=1 nf_conntrack module option or |
| 03:06 | <mihkel> | sysctl net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_acct=1 to enable it. |
| 03:06 | <mihkel> | can't load conntrack support for proto=2 |
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| 03:07 | <enouf> | like answers to start, then errors and which debian version you're using and if you have build-essential make etc installed |
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| 03:07 | <mihkel> | So I tried all 3 those sugestions, but every time I got response, which goes something like this: unknown option... ignoring. |
| 03:07 | <mihkel> | So how can I use my firewall script with 2.6.30? |
| 03:07 | <mihkel> | And sorry for the flood :) |
| 03:07 | <enouf> | mihkel: is it a module? |
| 03:07 | <mihkel> | no |
| 03:07 | <mihkel> | I did no compile it as module |
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| 03:08 | <mihkel> | because it supposed to be deprecated since 2.6.29 |
| 03:08 | <enouf> | well .. then hrm have you placed nf_conntrack.acct=1 on your kernel line? |
| 03:08 | <mihkel> | Yes |
| 03:09 | <enouf> | tried acct=2 ? or proto=2 as well? no idea about what the internals are with that one |
| 03:09 | <mihkel> | well I did not try those, because dmesg did not mention them |
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| 03:09 | <enouf> | mihkel: in older kernels, try modinfo <modulename> to see parms |
| 03:09 | <mihkel> | only: Please use |
| 03:09 | <mihkel> | nf_conntrack.acct=1 kernel paramater, acct=1 nf_conntrack module option or |
| 03:09 | <mihkel> | sysctl net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_acct=1 to enable it. |
| 03:10 | <interbird> | is it not better to adjust your script ? |
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| 03:10 | <enouf> | have you tried in /etc/sysctl.conf a line like; |
| 03:10 | <enouf> | net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_acct=1 |
| 03:10 | <mihkel> | enouf, yes. I tried all those 3 sugestions |
| 03:11 | <enouf> | well, i think the last 2 there are concerning if it was =m |
| 03:11 | <enouf> | lessee |
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| 03:20 | <enouf> | mihkel: i'm lost - i was poking about here, but can't seem to find any relevant changes, i wonder if this is debian patch related? did you use kernel.org or debian sources? |
| 03:20 | <enouf> | er here; http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_30 |
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| 03:21 | <enouf> | hrm, my Debian kernel has =y anyway |
| 03:21 | <enouf> | ~$ grep CONFIG_NF_CT_ACCT /boot/config-2.6.29-2-686 |
| 03:21 | <enouf> | CONFIG_NF_CT_ACCT=y |
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| 03:27 | <Tuplad> | if I want to switch from lenny to squueze, is there anything else I have to do besides changing sources.list |
| 03:27 | <jm_> | yes, you need to do dist-upgrade |
| 03:27 | <enouf> | ? |
| 03:27 | <jm_> | and apt* update first |
| 03:27 | <petern> | see topic |
| 03:27 | <enouf> | /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 03:28 | <petern> | oh, no, that covers etch->lenny, oops :) |
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| 03:34 | <interbird> | i would not mind if testing was renamed to evergreen; with testing and the next stable name as an alias |
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| 03:39 | * | enouf prefers ferns and conifers :-P |
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| 03:50 | <hajoucha> | re: |
| 03:52 | <hajoucha> | I need to replace now_loaded_and_used module 3w9xxx with a newer version without reboot. Is that possible? |
| 03:52 | <Tuplad> | jm_: so change sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, then apt-get upgrade ? |
| 03:52 | <hajoucha> | that is - somehow tell the kernel to temporarily use only ram :) , remove 3w9xxx, load 3w9xxx_new and tell kernel it can use disk again.... |
| 03:53 | <jm_> | Tuplad: yes, although final upgrade is usually noyt needed |
| 03:53 | <jm_> | hajoucha: depends, if you have / on disks managed by that module forget it, then some modules can't be unloaded |
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| 03:54 | <mihkel> | enouf, I use vanilla from kernel.org. In Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt is said that since 2.6.29 CONFIG_NF_CT_ACCT is deprecated |
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| 03:55 | <mihkel> | Why: Accounting can now be enabled/disabled without kernel recompilation. Currently used only to set a default value for a feature that is also controlled by a kernel/module/sysfs/sysctl parameter. |
| 03:55 | <hajoucha> | jm_: the actual situation is slightly different - I have / on another (sata) disk, but 3w9xxx is used by scsi_mod (using: sbp2,sd_mod,libata,3w_9xxx). |
| 03:55 | <mihkel> | But it does not seem to work, or I am doing something wrong. Thats what I want to find out |
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| 03:58 | <DonAlex> | Morning All.. |
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| 03:58 | <DonAlex> | Just looking for some advice from a SCSI guru. Am I right in thinking I can plug more than 2 LVD Ultra2 Devices into a LVD U160 bus? |
| 04:00 | <jm_> | hajoucha: try unmounting and removing the module |
| 04:01 | <hajoucha> | jm_: you mean unmounting / ? |
| 04:02 | <hajoucha> | jm_: no other disk space is mounted. |
| 04:02 | <jm_> | hajoucha: well then try removing it |
| 04:03 | <hajoucha> | jm_: # rmmod 3w_9xxx |
| 04:03 | <hajoucha> | ERROR: Module 3w_9xxx is in use |
| 04:03 | <hajoucha> | but: |
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| 04:05 | <hajoucha>lsmod | grep 3w |
| 04:05 | <hajoucha> | 3w_9xxx 34948 3 |
| 04:05 | <hajoucha> | scsi_mod 160760 4 sbp2,sd_mod,libata,3w_9xxx |
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| 04:06 | <hajoucha> | the space on that 3ware controller is not mounted. |
| 04:07 | <hajoucha> | but it might be the case that lvm is somehow active nevertheless.... or not? |
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| 04:19 | <jm_> | hajoucha: yes |
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| 04:24 | <hajoucha> | jm_: how do I deactivate lvm ? |
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| 04:29 | <Desiac> | i'm trying to install squeeze on my mac book, i am attempting dual boot osx using refit. i get to the initial boot screen and select install, the installer loads for me to select my language and the keyboard/mouse doesn't work. i rebooted, selected expert install, same thing, then graphical ... still same problem. a lil googleing and i found the debian wiki and the macbook section |
| 04:30 | <Desiac> | where is suggested passing "install noapic irqpoll acpi=force" as install parameters, still no luck, and i dont have a usb k/b, anyone have any ideas :) |
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| 04:31 | <Administrator> | Lo I usually use a netboot disc when installing servers but I've only got CD1 to hand... can I do a -similar- install? if yes... which options are best to get the same result? |
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| 04:31 | <Administrator> | maybe "Standard System" and no Desktop ? |
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| 04:37 | <mhymn> | Administrator: i think so, though you can always update packages or upgrade too |
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| 04:39 | <jm_> | hajoucha: I have no idea about that |
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| 04:39 | <jm_> | Administrator: yeah just don't install anything at the end |
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| 04:40 | <hajoucha> | jm_: ok :) |
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| 04:53 | <Administrator> | jm_, so not even standard system? |
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| 04:56 | <lantizia> | < same guy... jm_, ? |
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| 05:09 | <hajoucha> | jm_: :) well... I risked reboot and it went well. :) |
| 05:09 | <jm_> | lantizia: yes |
| 05:09 | <jm_> | Administrator: up to you |
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| 05:15 | <hajoucha> | how do I get java to debian stable? |
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| 05:16 | <dr|z3d> | hajoucha: apt-cache search jre should help. |
| 05:17 | <dr|z3d> | sun-java6-jre is probably what you want. |
| 05:18 | <hajoucha> | dr|z3d: thanks, but that is not included in standard apt sources list, right? |
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| 05:18 | <hajoucha> | dr|z3d: I mean - in the "main" section.... |
| 05:19 | <dr|z3d> | apt-cache will tell you what's available in your repositories. |
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| 05:22 | <hajoucha> | dr|z3d: yes, I have searched for sun-java6 without success |
| 05:23 | <simNIX> | have you got nonfree in you apt/sources ? |
| 05:25 | <hajoucha> | simNIX: no, that is what I am askig for - is it in nonfree ? |
| 05:25 | <simNIX> | with that in I can add sun-java6-jre sun-java6-jdk sun-j2sdk1.6 sun-j2re1.6 |
| 05:25 | <simNIX> | yup |
| 05:25 | <hajoucha> | simNIX: ok, super, thank you. |
| 05:25 | <simNIX> | yw |
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| 05:26 | <jm_> | some bits are in non-free and some are in contrib |
| 05:26 | <fane> | buenas |
| 05:26 | <fane> | quero follar algo |
| 05:26 | <fane> | alguna puta española |
| 05:27 | <jm_> | !es |
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| 05:27 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 05:31 | <bremner> | hajoucha: openjdk-6 is in main, and works pretty well for most things |
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| 05:33 | <hajoucha> | bremner: I see, ok. My main concern is installation of some 3ware sw for watching raid. The installer brings its own java runtime, but it is terribly slow and fails at the end anyway...so my idea was to install java on system and try again... |
| 05:34 | <hajoucha> | bremner: now I am trying with 3ware java, but if it fails, I am going to try openjdk |
| 05:34 | <bremner> | maybe somebody else can verify openjdk is in lenny, I'm on a sid system right now. |
| 05:34 | <simNIX> | denk rond |
| 05:34 | <Supaplex> | !pdo |
| 05:34 | <dpkg> | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 05:34 | <hajoucha> | bremner: will look .. |
| 05:34 | <simNIX> | ho - wrong window |
| 05:35 | <hajoucha> | bremner: yes, confirmed. Openjdk is in main. |
| 05:35 | <bremner> | hajoucha: ok, I'd give it a try, I use it on several machines, but only for one or two programs |
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| 05:47 | <laber> | goodbye.. |
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| 05:56 | <tki> | hey guys! debian rulezzz! |
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| 05:56 | <vartan> | #debian |
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| 06:05 | <Supaplex> | !start a distro war |
| 06:05 | <dpkg> | methinks start a distro war is Debian Rulz |
| 06:05 | <Supaplex> | no bias there. :D |
| 06:06 | <locklace> | !start a pillow war |
| 06:06 | <dpkg> | start a pillow war is, like, * SerajewelKS sticks an ubuntu flag out of his fort and readies for battle |
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| 06:21 | <css91> | hola |
| 06:21 | <css91> | hay alguien ahi?? |
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| 06:30 | <bremner> | !es |
| 06:30 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 06:30 | <Woet> | I do not trust the output of /proc/cpuinfo, is there any way to confirm/verify the CPU type and speed? |
| 06:31 | <jm_> | yes |
| 06:31 | <locklace> | Woet: dmesg | grep CPU |
| 06:31 | <Supaplex> | ship it to me. I'll let you know what it is. |
| 06:31 | <debianite> | open the case! |
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| 06:33 | <Woet> | thank you |
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| 06:33 | <debianite> | Woet: or boot from sysrescuecd and run one of the utilities to get cpu info. |
| 06:33 | <locklace> | what |
| 06:33 | <Supaplex> | ship it to me. I'll let you know what it is. |
| 06:34 | <Supaplex> | ;) |
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| 07:08 | <Deaimel> | #join #kdegames |
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| 07:15 | <gN__Eterm> | one question my ttys wont open when i press crtl + alt + F2,F3, whatever, can someone know why? |
| 07:16 | <Bunnyh> | You are stuck on an X display? |
| 07:17 | <jm_> | vt switch can be disabled, perha's it's that |
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| 07:17 | <hajoucha> | or you are at console already. In that case only alt+F2.. shoud work. |
| 07:18 | <hajoucha> | *should |
| 07:18 | <jm_> | but ctrl+alt would still work |
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| 07:21 | <inglor> | Hey all, I got a problem with latest nvidia drivers on sid (version 185.18.14). When I try to run a 3D application with wine it says my drivers are old. (tested on Eve online and WoW with wine) |
| 07:22 | <inglor> | Since the drivers released on 5 June I am assuming they are missing something to inform that the current drivers are the latest? |
| 07:22 | <jm_> | it might also be a wine issue |
| 07:23 | <inglor> | Yeah could be using the wineHQ version (wine-1.1.23) |
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| 07:23 | <jm_> | so not wine from debian? |
| 07:25 | <inglor> | Well tried with both, same results. |
| 07:25 | <jm_> | but it works with older nvidia drivers? |
| 07:26 | <onur> | I am using wine from Debian experimental repository with 180.44 nvidia driver. It is working fine. |
| 07:26 | <inglor> | yeah worked fine with 180 ones. |
| 07:26 | <inglor> | nvidia dlinux driver 180 release on 1 June. And 185 on 05 June. |
| 07:27 | <inglor> | onur: don't update yet :P |
| 07:27 | <jm_> | did you check bts? |
| 07:27 | <inglor> | bts ? |
| 07:27 | <themill> | !btssmite inglor |
| 07:27 | * | dpkg beats inglor around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if inglor is running testing or unstable |
| 07:27 | <inglor> | ./gasp |
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| 07:28 | * | themill wonders if the chainsaw is running at the time |
| 07:29 | <cahoot> | then repetition would be redundant |
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| 07:34 | <inglor> | So is there a way to downgrade to 180? testing repository has 173 version :S |
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| 07:36 | <onur> | inglor: how did you install drivers? |
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| 07:37 | <inglor> | I followed the guide from http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers (module assistant + aptitude install ) |
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| 07:39 | <onur> | you can remove nvidia packages |
| 07:41 | <inglor> | Ok but then I need nvidia-glx-180 package to install it. Sid repository has 185 one and testing 173) Is there somewhere I can find 180 version packages? |
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| 07:42 | <jm_> | inglor: you can find 180 on sdn (/msg dpkg sdn) |
| 07:43 | <onur> | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-nvidia/packages/nvidia-graphics-drivers/tags/180.44-2/ |
| 07:43 | <onur> | you need to build packages |
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| 07:46 | <inglor> | ok first time for me this, can someone give some tips for building it? |
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| 07:46 | <jm_> | just grab nvidia source package, unpack it, cd into the dir, do debuild -uc -us -b |
| 07:46 | <jm_> | as in debian source package |
| 07:47 | <onur> | this is a little different |
| 07:47 | <onur> | first checkout the repository with $ svn co svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-nvidia/packages/nvidia-graphics-drivers/tags/180.44-2/ nvidia-graphic-drivers-180.44 |
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| 07:51 | <inglor> | ok done I got the snapshot |
| 07:51 | <onur> | after than download nvidia drivers and put those files to our nvidia-graphics-drivers-180.44 directory: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/180.44/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-180.44-pkg1.run and http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/180.44/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-180.44-pkg2.run |
| 07:52 | <jm_> | why bother when it's all in debian ... |
| 07:53 | <inglor> | onur: I think I got the procedure since it's non-free (we use part of nvidia files and tools to make debian packages) correct ? |
| 07:54 | <onur> | we are using debian tools for making package with nvidia's non-free drivers |
| 07:54 | <inglor> | (I wonder how you realise I am using amd64) :) |
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| 07:55 | <hajoucha> | is there a freenx server package for debian lenny amd64 ? |
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| 08:02 | <jm_> | hajoucha: try this http://wiki.debian.org/freenx |
| 08:02 | <hajoucha> | jm_: thanks! |
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| 08:08 | <gN__Eterm> | hajoucha, im in X |
| 08:08 | <gN__Eterm> | but i only can access to tty1 crtl + alt F1 |
| 08:09 | <gN__Eterm> | the other ones i cant :S |
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| 08:10 | <hajoucha> | gN__Eterm: hm, I dont know what is causing it. Did you change the default configuration? |
| 08:10 | <jm_> | gN__Eterm: then those ttys might not be enabled |
| 08:10 | <gN__Eterm> | jm_, thats what i think, how can i check or re-enable |
| 08:10 | <abrotman> | look in /etc/inittab |
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| 08:11 | <jm_> | gN__Eterm: yes check inittab |
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| 08:11 | <abrotman> | or just use the one console + screen |
| 08:11 | <gN__Eterm> | mmm i changed to init:5: |
| 08:11 | <jm_> | also look for running gettys |
| 08:11 | <gN__Eterm> | id:5: |
| 08:11 | <abrotman> | gN__Eterm: why? |
| 08:11 | <jm_> | what for? |
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| 08:11 | <abrotman> | this isn't RH/Fedora |
| 08:11 | <gN__Eterm> | idk i thought that was fedora |
| 08:11 | <gN__Eterm> | jejeje yeah |
| 08:11 | <gN__Eterm> | well i will put 2 again |
| 08:11 | <gN__Eterm> | i needed to install my video drivers |
| 08:12 | <abrotman> | well, that makes perfect sense </sarcasm> |
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| 08:12 | <gN__Eterm> | jejejeje abrotman |
| 08:12 | <gN__Eterm> | well anyway i iwll change it and bring it back |
| 08:12 | <gN__Eterm> | come back soon |
| 08:12 | <gN__Eterm> | in tty if all is good |
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| 08:14 | <Jimmy89> | hey guys |
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| 08:14 | <Jimmy89> | I am having trouble getting my D-Link DWL-G510 rev c2 to appear in debian |
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| 08:15 | <bremner> | !wireless |
| 08:15 | <dpkg> | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 08:15 | <bremner> | Jimmy89: that is a router? |
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| 08:16 | <gN__Eterm> | okey guys |
| 08:16 | <Jimmy89> | no pci wireless card |
| 08:16 | <gN__Eterm> | all good now |
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| 08:16 | <gN__Eterm> | thx jm_, and abrotman |
| 08:16 | <Jimmy89> | ralink chipset |
| 08:16 | <cahoot> | Jimmy89: find its pciid |
| 08:16 | <gN__Eterm> | no gtg to work |
| 08:16 | <bremner> | Jimmy89: !ralink |
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| 08:16 | <bremner> | !ralink |
| 08:16 | <dpkg> | Ralink is a wireless LAN chipset manufacturer. Drivers for most Ralink chipsets are present in mainline kernels, ask me about <rt2x00> and <ralink firmware>. For 802.11 draft-n devices, ask me about <rt2860> (PCI), <rt2870> (USB) or <rt3070> (USB) instead. |
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| 08:18 | <Jimmy89> | http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_part.php?brandname=D-Link |
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| 08:18 | <Jimmy89> | on that list it says RT61 driver |
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| 08:21 | <jm_> | Jimmy89: find its PCI ID and we can ask the bot here for the right driver |
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| 08:22 | <jm_> | lspci -nn |
| 08:22 | <jm_> | (ID is in form [1234:5678] |
| 08:22 | <Jimmy89> | 1814:0202 |
| 08:23 | <jm_> | judd pciid 1814:0202 |
| 08:23 | <judd> | jm_: [1814:0202] is 'Unknown device' from 'RaLink' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1814:0202 |
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| 08:23 | <jm_> | hah |
| 08:23 | <Jimmy89> | hmm |
| 08:23 | <Jimmy89> | odd |
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| 08:27 | <jm_> | Jimmy89: right that's manufacturer's driver |
| 08:28 | <jm_> | but that page doesn't list device with ID 0202 |
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| 08:29 | <stuckey> | I'm getting this error when I try to remove a file: Stale NFS file handle |
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| 08:30 | <themill> | judd doesn't (yet) know about out-of-tree modules. As soon as I can find a sensible way of teaching it, I will. |
| 08:30 | <judd> | themill: Error: "doesn't" is not a valid command. |
| 08:30 | <Jimmy89> | well the card is definatley a D-Link DWL-G510 rev c2 |
| 08:30 | <themill> | shaddup judd |
| 08:30 | <Jimmy89> | which should be a rt61 chipset |
| 08:31 | <Jimmy89> | question is how do I get it to be detected |
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| 08:34 | <cozminsky> | Jimmy89, so it doesn't show in lspci? |
| 08:34 | <cahoot> | Jimmy89: tried update-pciids? |
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| 08:36 | <themill> | cahoot: judd already has the latest pciid map from update-pciids; that's also orthogonal to the kernel module picking up the card |
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| 08:37 | <Jimmy89> | update-pciids seems to be taking a while |
| 08:37 | <gsimmons> | Jimmy89: Are you sure the device code is 0202? Both revision C1 and C2 have 0302 of that device have stated, AFAICT. |
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| 08:38 | <gsimmons> | s/of that device have/for that device/ |
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| 08:38 | <Jimmy89> | yeh |
| 08:39 | <Jimmy89> | 1814:0202 is what it is tellin gme |
| 08:39 | <stuckey> | Anyone know why I might be getting an error that says "Stale NFS file handle" when I try to delte a file? |
| 08:39 | <gsimmons> | Jimmy89: Care to pastebin that somewhere? (lspci -nn) |
| 08:40 | <Jimmy89> | yep I can in a minute |
| 08:40 | <Jimmy89> | just rebooting that machine |
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| 08:41 | <Jimmy89> | lol |
| 08:41 | <Jimmy89> | I rebooted and it says 0302 at the end now |
| 08:42 | <Jimmy89> | seems to have also detected wlan0 now |
| 08:42 | <jm_> | :) |
| 08:42 | <themill> | judd pciid 1814:0302 |
| 08:42 | <judd> | themill: [1814:0302] is 'RT2561/RT61 rev B 802.11g' from 'RaLink' with kernel module 'rt61pci' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1814:0302 |
| 08:42 | <themill> | \o/ |
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| 08:42 | <gsimmons> | Jimmy89: You'll need firmware for that driver; /msg dpkg ralink firmware |
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| 08:44 | <Jimmy89> | yep I installed that |
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| 08:46 | <lukas2511> | hey guys |
| 08:46 | <lukas2511> | some xorg experts here ? |
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| 08:46 | <locklace> | !tell lukas2511 about ask |
| 08:47 | <lope> | i have some junk at the end of my bash script so i need the script to exit at an earlier point. however, i can't use "exit" because this would quit the shell whenever i sourced my script, so how do i isolate the junk at the end of the script without commenting out each line? |
| 08:47 | <lope> | s/shell/terminal/ |
| 08:48 | <jm_> | lope: try return instead of exit |
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| 08:49 | <lukas2511> | I have two screens on my notebook (internal + external) and i want the first screen to react only on internal keyboard and mouse and the second screen to react only on usb mouse and usb keyboard. I know that there is a way to add this to xorg.conf but i dont know exactly how to do this. So can someone tell me what to write into my xorg.conf ? |
| 08:50 | <lope> | jm_: thank you. i thought "return" worked only for functions. |
| 08:52 | <jm_> | heh that sounds the opposite of what people usually want |
| 08:52 | <lukas2511> | i want this to split my notebook into two "workstations" |
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| 08:53 | <jm_> | wouldn't it then be easier to star ttwo X servers? |
| 08:53 | <themill> | I suspect that would be required |
| 08:53 | <lukas2511> | yeah but i need this information for this, too |
| 08:53 | <lukas2511> | i know that it is possible to add keyboards and mouses to xorg.conf and connect them to a screen section |
| 08:53 | <jm_> | sure, you can specify input devices via /dev/input in xorg.conf - mosue is even easier |
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| 08:53 | <jm_> | mouse* |
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| 08:54 | <Jimmy89> | what is the best way to manage wireless networks in debian? |
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| 08:54 | <lukas2511> | so my idea is about adding 2 screen sections, 2 keyboard, 2 mouse and then connect them |
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| 08:54 | <themill> | lukas2511: You'll need two ServerLayout sections and then start a second X instance specifying the second serverlayout |
| 08:54 | <jm_> | yes, you can specify two layout sections and then you can tell X server which one to use at runtime |
| 08:54 | * | jm_ successfuly read themill's mind |
| 08:54 | <themill> | spooky! |
| 08:54 | <themill> | Jimmy89: network-manager is the most common, a lot of people seem to like wicd too |
| 08:55 | <themill> | Jimmy89: /msg dpkg wireless connection manager |
| 08:55 | <lukas2511> | this wouldnt be the problem but i need the information about telling xorg which mouse / keyboard to use |
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| 08:55 | <jm_> | lukas2511: i just told you, by their respective device files |
| 08:55 | <inglor> | Jimmy89: wicd for my preferance, network-manager had a bug about 2 weeks ago managed to stuck my pc on every boot (kernel panic) |
| 08:55 | <lukas2511> | yeah but how to say that in xorg.conf ? |
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| 08:56 | <lukas2511> | okay i found something about telling xorg which mouse to use |
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| 08:57 | <jm_> | use evdev driver - man evdev |
| 08:58 | <Jimmy89> | my next challenge is to get software raid 5 working :) |
| 08:58 | <lukas2511> | can i use /dev/input/by-path/* in my xorg.conf ? cause there i can see which is usb and which ist internal |
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| 08:59 | <jm_> | lukas2511: you have my permission |
| 08:59 | <lukas2511> | oh.. that are links ^^ sry didnt see first ^^ |
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| 09:00 | <Jimmy89> | is there anyway for me to get the system to bootup without entering a password |
| 09:00 | <Jimmy89> | ? |
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| 09:00 | <Jimmy89> | because most of the time I will be using it as a fileserver without kb/mouse/screen etc |
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| 09:01 | <lukas2511> | Jimmy89, you dont need to login to use a debian computer as fileserver |
| 09:01 | <Jimmy89> | oh awesome |
| 09:01 | <Jimmy89> | so samba etc should still be running in the background? |
| 09:01 | <lukas2511> | yep |
| 09:01 | <lukas2511> | its a daemon |
| 09:01 | <Jimmy89> | epic |
| 09:02 | <Jimmy89> | anyone know much about setting up a raid5 using mdadm? |
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| 09:02 | <jm_> | Jimmy89: man mdadm has examples |
| 09:03 | <jm_> | also check /usr/share/doc/mdadm/README.recipes.gz |
| 09:03 | <jm_> | and other files in there |
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| 09:21 | <popeye> | Hi does anyone know how to make ATI ac97 sound work with lenny ? |
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| 09:38 | <alys> | I am installing lenny and I have installed 'standard system'. Do I install xorg as in etch? There I typed 'apt-get install xserver -xorg-core xorg' but I cannot find instructions for lenny. Thank you. |
| 09:40 | <locklace> | alys: "aptitude install xorg" |
| 09:40 | <alys> | thanks a lot - I appreciate that help. |
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| 09:42 | <Jimmy89> | what do you guys recommend for remote management? |
| 09:42 | <patrikf> | ssh? |
| 09:42 | <Jimmy89> | vnc? |
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| 09:43 | <Jimmy89> | sorry talking about remote desktop |
| 09:43 | <SlimeyPete> | vnc, rdp, x-forwarding |
| 09:43 | <SlimeyPete> | any of the above |
| 09:43 | <Jimmy89> | would all the above work without logging in on the physical machine. |
| 09:43 | <Jimmy89> | ? |
| 09:44 | <SlimeyPete> | I've heard good things about freenx |
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| 09:44 | <SlimeyPete> | Jimmy89: x-forwarding will. Not sure about VNC. |
| 09:45 | <SlimeyPete> | I think RDP does |
| 09:45 | <Jimmy89> | ok |
| 09:46 | <Jimmy89> | I will play around with those at some point |
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| 09:56 | <Jimmy89> | great... I changed resolution and now i can't see the screen |
| 09:56 | <locklace> | we'd offer to help you, but you wouldn't be able to see it anyway, so never mind |
| 09:57 | <jthomas_sb_> | lol |
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| 09:57 | <Jimmy89> | lol indeed |
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| 09:58 | <cancerian192> | hi |
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| 10:10 | <flo_> | hi |
| 10:10 | <flo_> | wer kann deutsch? |
| 10:11 | <locklace> | !de |
| 10:11 | <dpkg> | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 10:11 | <flo_> | aha |
| 10:11 | <flo_> | cya |
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| 10:20 | <pbn> | Hi, the current weekly-build of Debian "squeeze" has a major problem: it doesn't detect hard drives, it drops me to a screen where it asks for the IDE/SCSI controller.... any of you noticed that ? |
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| 10:22 | <adb> | pbn: i just responded to you .. |
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| 10:23 | <abrotman> | pbn: why not use the lenny instlaler then upgrade? |
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| 10:28 | <bremner> | anyone know how to tell arora what to open e.g. pdf files with? "clicking open" in the download box doesn't seem to do anything. |
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| 10:36 | <FoxM> | Hi. I am using debian squeeze with non-free nvidia drivers and KDE4, but some windows background like Konsole's are all messed and garbled. I think it is an issue with the drivers because the 'nv' drivers work fine. Can I install the sid version of the nvidia driver without 'upgrading' the whole system? |
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| 10:47 | <tech13> | getting a segfault in a php script that looks like it is happening in libpcre.so.3 Is there a handly write-up of how to submit a bug report about it? |
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| 10:49 | <inglor> | FoxM: which version of nvidia you use now ? |
| 10:50 | <FoxM> | inglor 173.14.18 |
| 10:51 | <inglor> | I read in nvidia forums that 180 version should solve most problems. |
| 10:51 | <inglor> | sid version however is 185.18.14 (which for me has some problems on wine 3D applications) |
| 10:52 | <inglor> | I don't have kde4 to tell you if I have the same problems with 185.18.14 drivers. |
| 10:52 | <FoxM> | inglor: I know... I read the changelog in the nvidia site, that's why I want to upgrade the drivers |
| 10:52 | <Jimmy89> | hmm |
| 10:53 | <Jimmy89> | It seems I have created my raid5 array |
| 10:53 | <inglor> | I would recomment 180.xx not 185.xx |
| 10:53 | <Jimmy89> | but how do I mount it 0_0 |
| 10:53 | <ml|> | FoxM: try #debian-kde |
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| 10:53 | <FoxM> | inglor: Is it safe to install it? and How do I install it? |
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| 10:53 | <FoxM> | ml|: good idea... let me see |
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| 10:56 | <bkc> | Hi, Is any one using the Debian on platform Openmoko (FreeRunner) ? |
| 10:56 | <Jimmy89> | so basically how do I mount my array md0 ? |
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| 11:03 | <FoxM> | inglor: thanks for your help :) |
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| 11:16 | <Jimmy89> | where should I set the mount point to normally? |
| 11:16 | <Jimmy89> | is /media fine? |
| 11:17 | <inglor> | make a folder in it |
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| 11:17 | <inglor> | mkdir /media/data |
| 11:17 | <shze> | I've installed linux-image-2.6.30-1-486 from unstable, but if I plug in my umts-modem after booting, it's not detected until I do lsusb |
| 11:17 | <shze> | what can I do to have it detected immediately? |
| 11:18 | <shze> | how can I debug that? |
| 11:18 | <Jimmy89> | ah |
| 11:18 | <Jimmy89> | ty |
| 11:18 | <Jimmy89> | ty |
| 11:18 | <bremner> | shze: maybe you need some module? |
| 11:18 | <Jimmy89> | it mounted :) |
| 11:19 | <shze> | bremner: but why is it detected on lsusb then? |
| 11:19 | <bremner> | shze: what is it detected as on lsusb, a generic USB device, or a modem? |
| 11:19 | <shze> | lsusb only lists devices, afaik it does not load anything |
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| 11:20 | <shze> | bremner: on first lsusb it finds mass storage, on second lsusb the cardreader and the modem |
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| 11:23 | <shze> | sometimes I get on disconnecting: uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: Unlink after no-IRQ? Controller is probably using the wrong IRQ. |
| 11:23 | <shze> | but if I search for that I find only very old information.. |
| 11:24 | <cahoot> | faulty bios? |
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| 11:25 | <bremner> | shze: can't help much, my card is at home, but I remember there is a specific kernel module it needs. Whether that is loaded automatically or not, I forget. |
| 11:26 | <bremner> | actually, I remember it is sierra, but that depends on the brand obviously |
| 11:27 | <shze> | bremner: mine is a huawei (o2 surf stick) |
| 11:28 | <bremner> | shze: well, if all else fails google it. It probably helps to include usb id in your query |
| 11:30 | <shze> | bremner: yeah, I'll try again, although I didn't have useful hits before |
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| 11:31 | <shze> | it loads modules usb_storage, usbserial and option.. what is option? |
| 11:31 | <cahoot> | probably your usbmodem |
| 11:32 | <cahoot> | its usbid should help |
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| 11:33 | <shze> | Bus 001 Device 003: ID 12d1:1003 Huawei E220/E270 HSDPA/HSUPA Modem |
| 11:34 | <shze> | cahoot: since it don't find a newer bios to update to, is there any other way to work around a faulty bios? |
| 11:35 | <bremner> | shze: what are you expecting to happen when you plug the modem in? |
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| 11:36 | <shze> | bremner: that the modem is detected and I can connect? |
| 11:36 | <bremner> | shze: detected by what? |
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| 11:37 | <bremner> | shze: are you running network manager? |
| 11:37 | <shze> | by the kernel |
| 11:37 | <shze> | no network-manager |
| 11:37 | <shze> | plain pppd/wvdial |
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| 11:37 | <bremner> | shze: so there are no /dev/USB0 or whatever devices? |
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| 11:37 | <stuckey> | Hello |
| 11:37 | <shze> | no, not until I do the lsusb |
| 11:38 | <stuckey> | I just installed another OS but it isn't showing up in the menu (GRUB) when I start the machine. How can boot the OS? |
| 11:38 | <bremner> | shze: so after the lsusb it works? |
| 11:38 | <SlimeyPete> | stuckey: you need to add an appropriate entry to /boot/menu.lst |
| 11:38 | <cahoot> | stuckey: the generic answer would be: make an entry for it in menu.lst |
| 11:38 | <shze> | bremner: yeah, on lsusb it detects the modem, load modules, I get the /dev/ttyUSBx and I can dial |
| 11:39 | <bremner> | shze: maybe you need a udev rule or something? |
| 11:39 | <bremner> | shze: it is pretty mysterious, I agree |
| 11:40 | <stuckey> | SlimeyPete: Mine is /boot/grub/menu.list <--- is that right? |
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| 11:40 | <SlimeyPete> | stuckey: yes |
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| 11:40 | <stuckey> | Ah, I'm reminded of Sneaky Pete's... they had some good burgers. |
| 11:40 | <shze> | bremner: but if I need a udev rule, why does it work on lsusb? shouldn't lsusb don't show any usb device? |
| 11:40 | <adb> | menu.lst* stuckey |
| 11:41 | <locklace> | shze: sounds like a driver problem. check for kernel bugs and then submit one if necessary or post to lkml |
| 11:41 | <bremner> | shze: sorry, out of ideas. |
| 11:41 | <bremner> | b*s |
| 11:41 | <bremner> | oops, that was for emacs |
| 11:41 | <cahoot> | shze: compare dmesg before and after lsusb |
| 11:41 | <locklace> | M-x psychoanalyze-pinhead |
| 11:41 | <shze> | locklace: ok, how do I find the right driver? usb, serial, modem? |
| 11:42 | <stuckey> | How come debian makes it's entries in Grub twice? What's the point in that? |
| 11:42 | <shze> | bremner: np, thanks for the help |
| 11:42 | <stuckey> | SlimeyPete: How do I find all the information I need? |
| 11:42 | <stuckey> | Like, what root, kernel, and init? |
| 11:42 | <shze> | cahoot: dmesg shows all the messages of the detected devices after lsusb, none before |
| 11:42 | <locklace> | shze: sounds like a problem with not probing the usb properly during boot, so i'd view it as a generic or platform-driver usb problem |
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| 11:42 | <SlimeyPete> | stuckey: that'll depend on what OS it is |
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| 11:43 | <stuckey> | SlimeyPete: it's ubuntu |
| 11:43 | <SlimeyPete> | stuckey: which ubuntu? 9.04? |
| 11:43 | <stuckey> | 9.04 |
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| 11:43 | <adb> | stuckey: ask #ubuntu |
| 11:44 | <locklace> | shze: has it worked for you with any other kernel version? |
| 11:44 | <SlimeyPete> | yes, #ubuntu is best |
| 11:45 | <SlimeyPete> | I have an ubuntu menu.lst here but some of the boot options seem to be hardware-specific (the root FS is defined via a uuid, for a start) |
| 11:45 | <SlimeyPete> | *system-specific |
| 11:45 | <shze> | locklace: I did a short test before with .26, it seem to detect it ok, but then I got backtraces in usb_serial |
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| 11:46 | <locklace> | shze: ok. lkml is your next stop |
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| 11:47 | <shze> | locklace: ok, thanks, I'll try that |
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| 11:56 | <Jimmy89> | ok I can't seem to create a folder in my mounted drive in media |
| 11:56 | <Jimmy89> | how do I give myself permission to do so |
| 11:57 | <locklace> | !folder |
| 11:57 | <dpkg> | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
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| 11:57 | <Jimmy89> | ah |
| 11:57 | <Jimmy89> | because root is the owner |
| 11:57 | <Jimmy89> | how do I add all users as owner? |
| 11:58 | <bremner> | Jimmy89: either make an entry in fstab, or check out pmount |
| 11:58 | <bremner> | Jimmy89: are you using some desktop environment? |
| 11:58 | <Jimmy89> | yes gnome |
| 11:59 | <bremner> | Jimmy89: so gnome-volume-manager should take care of this. Perhaps a gnome user can supply more detail |
| 11:59 | <Jimmy89> | ok how... |
| 12:00 | <ml|> | or you can change permissions on that dir |
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| 12:00 | <Jimmy89> | how do I do that? |
| 12:00 | <Jimmy89> | sorry I know I am a noob |
| 12:01 | <ml|> | did you make this dir? |
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| 12:01 | <Jimmy89> | yes it is a raid array that I mounted there |
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| 12:01 | <ml|> | where? |
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| 12:01 | <Jimmy89> | * /media/data |
| 12:02 | <Jimmy89> | probably something to do with the options field in fstab? |
| 12:02 | <cahoot> | vfat/ntfs or what? |
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| 12:02 | <Jimmy89> | ext3 |
| 12:02 | <Jimmy89> | it is a raid5 array I made with mdadm |
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| 12:04 | <Jimmy89> | so basically only root has rights to the dir |
| 12:05 | <Jimmy89> | how do I let users read/write to it? |
| 12:06 | <Pryon> | groupadd + addgroup? |
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| 12:07 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 424] by debhelper |
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| 12:09 | <Jimmy89> | more specific please? |
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| 12:11 | <cahoot> | Jimmy89: you can't really expect a full tutorial on linux admin on irc, get and read the debian reference |
| 12:12 | <ml|> | Jimmy89: one way would be to chmod 777 on that dir and then chmod +t = adds the sticky bit, so that people can only delete their own files and sub-directories in a directory, even |
| 12:12 | <ml|> | if they have write permissions to it |
| 12:12 | <ml|> | and root will still own it |
| 12:13 | <vvas> | ml|: also known as 1777 to do it all in one go ;^) |
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| 12:13 | <ml|> | vvas: that too but those are for /tmp dir |
| 12:14 | <vvas> | ml|: i can't see how we're saying different things |
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| 12:15 | <vvas> | (777) + (+t) == (1777) |
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| 12:17 | <vvas> | Jimmy89: my usual solution for this is to [chmod 2775] and [chgrp some_group] the directory, and then add the users that should be able to access it to some_group |
| 12:17 | <ml|> | vvas: guess you are right, for some reason thought they where different |
| 12:18 | <vvas> | Jimmy89: but if what i'm saying sounds gibberish, you should probably find some reference material |
| 12:19 | <tp43> | hi |
| 12:20 | <tp43> | I got major heating issue with my tp43. There is no driver, lenova requires some firmware. Do other laptops have this same issue these days? |
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| 12:24 | <adb> | dpkg: tell tp43 about thinkpad |
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| 12:28 | <ml|> | vvas: btw thanks learned something new today ;) |
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| 12:32 | <mrvn> | moin |
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| 12:32 | <mrvn> | Does anyone have an active "deb cdrom:..." url in their sources.list and could paste "ls /var/lib/apt/lists/" for me please? |
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| 12:33 | <vvas> | ml|: you're welcome :^) |
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| 12:40 | <tp43> | adb, thanks |
| 12:40 | <adb> | np |
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| 12:41 | <patrikf> | mrvn: man apt-cdrom |
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| 12:42 | <mrvn> | that doesn't magically materialize a cd in my cdrom. |
| 12:42 | <patrikf> | well, why would you want a cdrom: entry if you don't have the corresponding cdrom? :) |
| 12:43 | <mrvn> | I don't want the entry. I want the ls output. |
| 12:43 | <patrikf> | er, right |
| 12:43 | <mrvn> | And I don't want to download a cd.iso just for that. |
| 12:45 | <danielesaccucci> | sorry, how can i archive emails in evolution??? |
| 12:45 | <sd_> | hello! I need to write log messages from remote machines into separate files. Please give me a clue/ I was trying to google it and there is tons of info how to configure syslog to send logs TO remote systems, but I didn't find nothis how to write logs from remote systems into separate file. p.s. ...yes, I know about syslog-ng , but it's unappropriate for me some reason. thanks |
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| 12:46 | <sd_> | man syslog.conf doesn't help also... |
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| 12:48 | <mhymn> | mrvn: i wonder why would you need such a output, anyway --> http://pastebin.com/m1464ffdb |
| 12:49 | <mrvn> | doe ia32-apt-get so it can install packages from an amd64 and i386 cdrom. |
| 12:49 | <mrvn> | s/doe/for/ |
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| 12:50 | <mrvn> | mhymn: thx |
| 12:50 | <mhymn> | np |
| 12:50 | <lantizia> | Is anyone here familiar with AoE? |
| 12:51 | <nosklo> | lantizia: AoE? |
| 12:52 | <lantizia> | ATA over Ethernet |
| 12:52 | <nosklo> | lantizia: Age of Empires? Act or Effect? |
| 12:52 | <lantizia> | Neither ^ |
| 12:53 | <lantizia> | Its a SAN thing, an alternative to Fibre Channel and iSCSI |
| 12:54 | <lantizia> | Just installed the driver in debian (although it comes with an older one anyway) and tools... thinking it would let me make the server into a SAN server... but it's just the driver to connect _to_ AoE SAN servers |
| 12:54 | <lantizia> | so I'm getting the horrible feeling it needs special hardware :( |
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| 13:00 | <sney> | lantizia: that would be my guess |
| 13:01 | <ajavid> | would anyone want to have python 2.6 in stable? |
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| 13:04 | <adb> | ajavid: 16:50:46] <Hideme> Can anyone tell me how to get python 2.6 under Debian lenny? asked on freenode |
| 13:04 | <ajavid> | adb, ahh |
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| 13:04 | <ajavid> | well I'm looking to do so |
| 13:05 | <mhymn> | ajavid: a factoid would be appreciated too! |
| 13:06 | <ajavid> | letme look into it, figure out how and I'll try to make a factoid etc. or write an article/howto |
| 13:06 | <ajavid> | bbl |
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| 13:07 | <ajavid> | I wonder if 2.6 can be backported and isntalled alongside stabl in 2.5 |
| 13:07 | <ajavid> | thats the goal |
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| 13:09 | <Torrential> | Hello, I'm having some problems getting wireless to work on my Dell Studio 1537 laptop. I'm using Debian Lenny/Stable. Supposedly a kernel module called iwlagd is included in 2.6.26 and later kernels, and this will run my network card but for some reason it's not loading and modprobe can't find it. Is this built into the debian binary kernel 2.6.26-2-686? |
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| 13:10 | <ajavid> | fantastic, it doesn't exist in debian at all |
| 13:10 | <ajavid> | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=python |
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| 13:10 | <amphi> | Torrential: what card is it? |
| 13:11 | <ajavid> | hmm |
| 13:11 | <Torrential> | Intel Wifi Link 5100 |
| 13:11 | <adb> | ajavid: keywords=python2 |
| 13:12 | <amphi> | did you try the iwl4965 module? that may support that card |
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| 13:12 | <Torrential> | amphi: I'll try again, I loaded it and the card still didn't show up in network-admin applet. I'll load it and check ifconfig/iwconfig. |
| 13:13 | <amphi> | Torrential: iwlagn is not in .26 - I forget whether it came in .27 or .28 |
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| 13:14 | <Torrential> | amphi: No luck with iwl4965. Am I going to have to do a custom kernel build to get this module? Or would you recommend something else? |
| 13:14 | <ajavid> | I see |
| 13:14 | <ajavid> | experiemtal |
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| 13:18 | <cahoot> | Torrential: firmware-iwlwifi in place? |
| 13:19 | <Torrential> | cahoot: Yes, that is installed. |
| 13:19 | <ajavid> | amphi, I got a moron! |
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| 13:22 | <amphi> | Torrential: there's an out of tree src tarball for various drivers - I try to recall the name |
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| 13:23 | <amphi> | Torrential: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download |
| 13:23 | <amphi> | ajavid: hurrah! is it of the finest quality? |
| 13:24 | <Torrential> | amphi: Thanks, I'll check it out. |
| 13:24 | <amphi> | Torrential: but I think the iwl4965 driver will work, if you have the right fw (which is for your card, not 4965, if I recall correctly) |
| 13:26 | <adb> | !iwl4965 |
| 13:26 | <dpkg> | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 13:27 | <amphi> | !iwlagn |
| 13:27 | <dpkg> | iwlagn is probably the driver for Intel 5050, 5100BG/ABG/ABN, 5300AGN and 5350AGN series of wireless LAN adapters. Included in mainline kernels since 2.6.27 ("modprobe iwlagn"). Lenny users: ask me about <backports.org> to install a later kernel image containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
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| 13:27 | <amphi> | Torrential: ^^^ |
| 13:28 | <amphi> | iwlagn is also for 4965, it seems |
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| 13:34 | <LostPlanet> | how do i reconfigure (apt-reconfigure, need package name) X so that it will work with a newly installed video card. |
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| 13:38 | <andrew> | #dot |
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| 13:40 | <prahal> | LostPlanet, if you left the file nearly empty as it should be nowadays this is automatic , just restart X |
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| 13:51 | <ajavid> | alright, I'm starting to backport 2.6 from experimenal, lets see what happens |
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| 13:52 | * | locklace plays the "Mission Impossible" theme |
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| 13:54 | <ajavid> | ok, I'm looking at the rules from python2.6 |
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| 13:55 | <ajavid> | I have not found it yet, but I'm trying to find out if it will install alongside 2.5 in debian or if it will replace it. what is going to happen to /usr/bin/python(what version is this goingn to end up as?) |
| 13:56 | <mhymn> | LostPlanet: dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 13:58 | <ajavid> | ahh alonside, lets see |
| 13:59 | <LostPlanet> | mhymn - yes, but what package ? |
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| 14:01 | <mhymn> | LostPlanet: xserver-xorg or something like that, but guess you should ignore that, see what prahal said above |
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| 14:06 | <theraphos> | hi |
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| 14:07 | <theraphos> | do you speack portuguese? |
| 14:07 | <locklace> | !pt |
| 14:07 | <dpkg> | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 14:07 | <bja> | locklace: do you have a bot on you computer? :) |
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| 14:09 | <theraphos> | my computer |
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| 14:20 | <ml|> | is debsigs worth using? any penalty in using it? |
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| 14:21 | <jacky> | hi |
| 14:22 | <prahal> | ml|, last time it was breaking apt badly due to the fact that no packages have signatures embedded . So it was useless |
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| 14:22 | <prahal> | I bet it is a project waiting for someone to step up and do the required job . Though completing aptitude implementation may be of a way higher priority |
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| 14:23 | <jacky> | Hello, can you help me please |
| 14:24 | <ml|> | prahal: thanks for the info, was doing some reading about that and thought i'd ask |
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| 14:26 | <ml|> | dpkg: tell jacky about ask |
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| 14:26 | <ml|> | !customer |
| 14:26 | <dpkg> | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 14:26 | <mhymn> | that's jackyf though |
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| 14:27 | <ml|> | mhymn: good catch by glancing at the nick looks the same ;) |
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| 14:47 | <pbn> | adb, abrotman: sorry was away... well yeah using the lenny installer is a solution... also there's the daily-build of debian-installer which usually isn't broken |
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| 14:49 | <pbn> | I just was testing the weekly-build because network support was broken two weeks ago, now it appears hard disk support is broken ;) |
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| 14:50 | <locklace> | i have a theory that the d-i team works to make sure that at least one really fundamental thing is broken in each update of the installer image in order to ensure that newcomers get the proper welcome to testing/unstable |
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| 14:56 | <mhymn> | ml|: same thing anyway^^^ |
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| 14:57 | <mhymn> | heh |
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| 14:59 | <pbn> | locklace: heh :) |
| 14:59 | <pbn> | locklace: maybe :) |
| 15:00 | <pbn> | Well there was a nasty bug in networking on the weekly-builds for perhaps 3 or 4 weeks at least |
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| 15:01 | <adb> | pbn: have you reported this ? |
| 15:01 | <pbn> | yes I have |
| 15:01 | <adb> | where ? |
| 15:02 | <pbn> | well, I have reported the networking bug |
| 15:02 | <pbn> | and it has been solved |
| 15:02 | <adb> | url ? |
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| 15:02 | <pbn> | wait |
| 15:02 | <pbn> | it's 528929 |
| 15:02 | <pbn> | http://bugs.debian.org/528929 |
| 15:03 | <adb> | dpkg: #528929 |
| 15:03 | <dpkg> | adb: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 15:04 | <tp43> | applying a kernel patch, does that mean, I have to compile a kernel? |
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| 15:04 | <tp43> | If you use backport, and then you do apt-cache search hdapsd, how do you know which one it shows, the latest or the backport |
| 15:04 | <pbn> | basically the nic was detected, you type in your IP address (or you use DHCP), but when d-i tried to start networking, *poof*, libresolv segfaults |
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| 15:05 | <pbn> | then you get a red screen saying d-i can't continue because networking isn't configured |
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| 15:06 | <chealer> | tp43: yes |
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| 15:07 | <pbn> | it has been said it was something incompatible between libresolv and debian-installer |
| 15:08 | <pbn> | I filed the bug against libc6-udeb |
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| 15:10 | <pbn> | well anyway I'll try with next monday's weekly-build |
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| 15:11 | <pbn> | however I don't know on what package to file that bug with detecting the hard drives |
| 15:11 | <pbn> | it's perhaps *not* debian-installer |
| 15:12 | <ajavid> | alright |
| 15:12 | <ajavid> | great success, python 2.6 done. |
| 15:13 | <ajavid> | debian packages python2.6_2.6.1-3_amd64.deb and python2.6-minimal_2.6.1-3_amd64.deb where built and installed. |
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| 15:13 | <ajavid> | though there are no alternatives for it... as there are for 2.4, 2.5 in stable |
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| 15:13 | <tp43> | anyone know how to fix this: Not starting hdapsd: /sys/block/hda/queue/protect does not exist |
| 15:13 | <ajavid> | something went amiss but so far so good, no problems on stable with 2.6 |
| 15:14 | <ajavid> | can use 2.6 from /usr/bin/python2.6 and python is linked to 2.5.x |
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| 15:16 | <tp43> | when you use backports, and you search for a package, say hdapsd, shouldn't it show two, one for stable and one for backports? |
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| 15:19 | <tp43> | oh yeah apt-get -t lenny-backports install |
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| 15:19 | <tp43> | hmmm, but I still get the same error |
| 15:20 | <mhymn> | apt-cache policy pkgname <-- might help |
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| 15:21 | <tp43> | mhymn, yep, thanks, it didn't install the backports one, it installed the same old one |
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| 15:21 | <tp43> | well, no, it just showed it |
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| 15:38 | <gernot> | hi. i have the suspicion that a recent kernel upgrade screwed up the serial driver or something, but i don't know how to proceed to verify that or find a solution. |
| 15:39 | <locklace> | gernot: boot a different kernel |
| 15:40 | <gernot> | huh. :) |
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| 15:43 | <panv> | please, i need a method to test if my VGA Driver is installed correctly on my lenny debian !! |
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| 15:44 | <locklace> | panv: start x. observe whether it works or dies horribly |
| 15:44 | <panv> | X works |
| 15:45 | <panv> | but i use lshw-gtk to list my hardware... |
| 15:46 | <panv> | then, in my VGA controller, it says that this device hasn't been claimed (with a big ugly X icon = wrong) |
| 15:46 | <panv> | please advice !! |
| 15:46 | <locklace> | paste output of "xvinfo" and "lspci -knn" |
| 15:47 | <panv> | xvinfo gives the following: |
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| 15:47 | <locklace> | !tell panv about paste |
| 15:47 | <panv> | X-Video Extension version 2.2 |
| 15:47 | <panv> | Screen #0 |
| 15:47 | <panv> | No adapters present |
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| 15:48 | <locklace> | sounds like you're using the vesa driver |
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| 15:50 | <panv> | lspci gives |
| 15:50 | <panv> | http://paste.debian.net/39697/ |
| 15:50 | <panv> | i don't think i know alot about this. |
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| 15:50 | <locklace> | so you'll want to set up one of the nvidia drivers |
| 15:50 | <panv> | i am not too into hardware.. |
| 15:50 | <locklace> | !nvidia |
| 15:50 | <dpkg> | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 15:51 | <panv> | thank you locklace.. i will try to digg there.. |
| 15:51 | <panv> | ciao !! |
| 15:51 | <locklace> | good luck |
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| 15:59 | <drakeman> | Hey how can i do if i have openssh installed in my debian squeeze, but when i connect through a windows machine using putty, after certain idle time, the connection lost.... i put clientkeepalive in my sshd config but it stills droping my connection after certain time. |
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| 16:02 | <non_dumb> | drakeman: and this is all on your home network |
| 16:02 | <non_dumb> | ? |
| 16:02 | <drakeman> | nop, right now im in my work |
| 16:02 | <drakeman> | and im connecting to my house pc. |
| 16:03 | <non_dumb> | oh |
| 16:03 | <non_dumb> | firewall at work to prevent ssh? |
| 16:03 | <locklace> | drakeman: something between your client and your server is fucking things up |
| 16:03 | <prahal> | drakeman, it is not the windows machine going to sleep ? I leave openssh link up nights long without a disconnection |
| 16:03 | <drakeman> | non_dumb, no, because i can connect it normaly, but if i have and idle time like 20 mins, the connections drops |
| 16:03 | <drakeman> | no 20 minutos no mostly like 45 mins. |
| 16:04 | <non_dumb> | so the problem isn't connecting. it's staying connected? |
| 16:04 | <non_dumb> | right? |
| 16:04 | <prahal> | highly look like powersaving . Probably a state where the wireless or ethernet card is put to sleep by the system (client) |
| 16:04 | <drakeman> | non_dumb, yes, but if i keep using the connection the connection keeps alive, the problem sis when the connection is idle. |
| 16:05 | <non_dumb> | i'd have to agree with prahal |
| 16:05 | <non_dumb> | or something similar. |
| 16:05 | <bja> | drakeman: the problem might not be your ssh sherver but your isp connection |
| 16:07 | <non_dumb> | drakeman: time the disconnects. |
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| 16:07 | <non_dumb> | see if it's always the exact same amount of time |
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| 16:08 | <drakeman> | ok |
| 16:08 | <drakeman> | non_dumb, let me take the time. |
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| 16:09 | <non_dumb> | at least you are getting paid |
| 16:11 | <Hideo> | you suck |
| 16:11 | <bja> | !lart Hideo |
| 16:11 | * | dpkg drops a truckload of VAXen on Hideo |
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| 16:17 | <Hideo> | :P |
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| 16:21 | <stuckey> | Is it a bad idea to be using testing right now? |
| 16:21 | <jakub_> | hello.i've installed ubuntu on my laptop and i have troubles: there is no sound.can anybody help me? |
| 16:21 | <stuckey> | !ubuntu |
| 16:21 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 16:22 | <rudi_s> | !tell stuckey about testing |
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| 16:22 | <jrabbit> | lol |
| 16:22 | <jakub_> | i ask because i can't join ubuntu channel |
| 16:22 | <jrabbit> | sounds like a personal problem |
| 16:24 | <bja> | jakub_: Try #ubuntu on oftc, then take the hop to freenode, lots more help there. |
| 16:24 | <bremner> | stuckey: I would put it as, now is as good a time to be using stable as it gets. |
| 16:24 | <jakub_> | so ok.i have debian :) |
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| 16:25 | <locklace> | lies |
| 16:25 | <bja> | jakub_: if you say you have debian and you don't its a waist of your time and a waist of the channel time, do you think it is worth it? |
| 16:26 | <jakub_> | bja: ok.so thank you so much :) |
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| 16:26 | <bja> | np |
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| 16:37 | <arw> | greetings i get the following error |
| 16:37 | <arw> | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 16:37 | <arw> | /var/cache/apt/archives/debconf_1.5.26_all.deb |
| 16:37 | <arw> | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 16:37 | -!- | arw was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood] |
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| 16:37 | <arw> | this is the link http://de.pastebin.ca/1465382 |
| 16:37 | <arw> | :) |
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| 16:39 | <adb> | judd: versions debconf |
| 16:39 | <judd> | adb: debconf -- etch: 1.5.11etch2 lenny: 1.5.24 sid: 1.5.24 sid: 1.5.26 squeeze: 1.5.26 |
| 16:40 | <adb> | WARNING: Unknown Debian release: None |
| 16:40 | <adb> | arw: ubuntu ? |
| 16:41 | <adb> | ah sidux .. |
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| 16:41 | <arw> | adb: no, debian |
| 16:41 | <arw> | testing |
| 16:41 | <arw> | adb: Linux debian 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 02:56:43 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:43 | <adb> | arw: wget debconf_1.5.26_all.deb , and install it with dpkg -i .. |
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| 16:44 | <arw> | adb: ok, i am going to do that |
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| 16:49 | <arw> | adb: the result http://de.pastebin.ca/1466768 |
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| 16:50 | <adb> | arw: file a bug report for debconf .., if not already one |
| 16:50 | <craigevil> | arw: try apt-get clean apt-get update then reinstall it |
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| 16:52 | <badeagle> | if wlan0 shows in iwconfig, should it also show in ifconfig? |
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| 16:52 | <prahal> | badeagle, not if the interface is not up |
| 16:53 | <badeagle> | how would i get it up? |
| 16:53 | <prahal> | badeagle, server or desktop ? -> ifconfig or NM |
| 16:53 | <ajehals> | erm, I am having some difficulty installing debian to a laptop via a usb stick, specifically the drive names are being swapped on reboot, leaving me stuck... |
| 16:53 | <badeagle> | desktop |
| 16:54 | <badeagle> | i admit, i tried "ifconfig wlan0 up" based on a guide and it reported some funky error code that started with "SIOSC....." i think |
| 16:57 | <badeagle> | SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such device |
| 16:57 | <arw> | adb: does not work. |
| 16:57 | <arw> | adb: i am going to use reportbug |
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| 16:58 | <ajehals> | Surely this can't be that hard, I must be missing something really simple.... |
| 16:59 | <drakeman> | if i have this line in a bash script printf "% 4d" $(( $x * $y )) whats the function of the % 4d? |
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| 17:00 | <adb> | drakeman: try #bash on freenode |
| 17:00 | <drakeman> | adb, thanks! |
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| 17:11 | <Zviper> | im trying to create a shell script but i suck dick at making them. here is part of it: http://pastebin.com/m5817556f is this the way if statements work? |
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| 17:15 | <prahal> | Zviper, yes . You should if [ "x$rsp" = "xY" ]; then ... is safer |
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| 17:18 | <Zviper> | ok thanks |
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| 17:21 | <wen> | hello |
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| 17:34 | <wen> | hey i've notebook acer and i've just uploaded alsa drivers and there is no sound now :) can anyone help me? |
| 17:34 | <adb> | lenny ? |
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| 17:36 | <wen> | i've checked in alsa mixer and there is all ok |
| 17:37 | <adb> | [23:31:39] <adb> lenny ? |
| 17:38 | <mhymn> | seems he's twitting |
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| 17:38 | <tp43> | hi guys, I use backports to install kernel 2.6.29, but I am still having trouble with hdapsd it give error Not starting hdapsd: /sys/block/hda/queue/protect does not existec |
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| 17:44 | <mhymn> | tp43: http://digg.com/u16CSi |
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| 17:45 | <mhymn> | just to save your time |
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| 18:04 | <eldowan> | using lenny, I'm unable to use lsdvd or totem to watch a dvd, but mplayer will work correctly. I have libdvdcss2 libdvdnav and libdvdread3 installed. I'm unsure of where to start looking, and I haven't found anything worthwhile on the net yet. Any help? |
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| 18:11 | <craigevil> | eldowan: do you have totem-xine installed? |
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| 18:11 | <craigevil> | or totem-gstreamer |
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| 18:13 | <eldowan> | totem-xine works, totem-gstreamer doesnt. However, I've also noted that neither vlc or k9copy will work either. I'm ultimately trying to get k9copy to work so I can shrink dvd9 to dvd5. |
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| 18:15 | <Zviper> | someone tell me what this means? sed: -e expression #1, char 1: unknown command: `' i have sed -i ’s/$oldp/$newp/g’ .rtorrent.rc |
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| 18:17 | <tp43> | mhymn, I don't know what to do about it, I googled |
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| 18:19 | <adb> | dpkg: tell eldowan about dvd |
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| 18:20 | <ml|> | adb: hello |
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| 18:21 | <adb> | hello ml| :) |
| 18:22 | <eldowan> | Strangest thing, I ejected the dvd, put a known working (from earlier install) dvd video in. (it worked this time). I switched back to the provlem dvd that gstreamer wouldn't play but xine would. Now it works again... Very odd indeed. |
| 18:22 | <eldowan> | adb: craigevil: Thanks for the help, but the problem has resolved itself apparently... |
| 18:22 | <adb> | heh |
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| 18:23 | <adb> | bit's magic |
| 18:24 | <ml|> | !magic |
| 18:24 | <dpkg> | extra, extra, read all about it, magic is a tool and i am its taskmaster |
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| 18:29 | <bcochofel> | hi, I'm trying to update rtorrent on etch but I'm getting several errors compiling |
| 18:29 | <bcochofel> | is there a .deb on some repo? |
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| 18:30 | <ml|> | bcochofel: let me see if i find a link i have |
| 18:30 | <notyou> | what's the command to install a package and ignore dependencies using aptitude? |
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| 18:30 | <notyou> | or apt-get for that matter? |
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| 18:31 | <bja> | notyou: try man apt-get (force) |
| 18:31 | <witte> | notyou: dpkg -i ? |
| 18:31 | <notyou> | seems this distro does not have man pages installed... |
| 18:32 | <adb> | this distro ? |
| 18:32 | <bja> | apt-get install manpages |
| 18:32 | <bja> | adb: fishy? |
| 18:32 | <notyou> | eh, heh. it's debian based but not debian. |
| 18:33 | <mhymn> | smells like DSL |
| 18:33 | <notyou> | couldn't find a channel for it and it's a basic question anyway |
| 18:33 | <notyou> | no. grml. |
| 18:34 | <bcochofel> | ml|, can I safely update etch to lenny just changing repo? |
| 18:34 | <notyou> | !etch>lenny |
| 18:34 | <notyou> | !etch->lenny |
| 18:34 | <adb> | notyou: try #grml on freenode |
| 18:34 | <witte> | !debian based |
| 18:34 | <dpkg> | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 18:35 | <witte> | bcochofel: yes, but read the release notes |
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| 18:35 | <notyou> | well, linux based really. aptitude is used everywhere |
| 18:35 | * | QPrime thinks dpkg should stop picking on ubuntu. |
| 18:35 | <witte> | and check the wiki (which has a link to this page: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html) |
| 18:36 | <locklace> | !start a distro war |
| 18:36 | <dpkg> | start a distro war is probably Debian Rulz |
| 18:36 | <patrikf> | haha |
| 18:36 | <QPrime> | *grin* |
| 18:36 | <ml|> | bcochofel: http://debian.ghostbar.ath.cx/ |
| 18:36 | <ml|> | bcochofel: read channel msg on top |
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| 18:37 | <bcochofel> | ml|, ok, by the way, wich one can I download from the link you gave me? |
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| 18:38 | <ml|> | any version you like just make sure you download the accommpanying libtorrent |
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| 18:39 | <ml|> | the lastest works great here btw |
| 18:41 | <bcochofel> | ml|, deps problems |
| 18:41 | <ml|> | bcochofel: like works here with np |
| 18:41 | <ml|> | but you are on etch right? |
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| 18:42 | <bcochofel> | ml|, yes |
| 18:42 | <notyou> | can filling a hdd to capacity have a negative effect on the drive? |
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| 18:42 | <ml|> | bcochofel: it's up to you, but upgrade to lenny since support for etch will be other soon |
| 18:43 | <ml|> | s/other/over |
| 18:45 | <notyou> | ? |
| 18:45 | <bcochofel> | ml|, I'm doing first a dist-upgrade |
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| 18:46 | <notyou> | ls |
| 18:46 | <ml|> | bcochofel: plz follow dpkg instructions so you aviod problems |
| 18:46 | <Zviper> | does anyone know what's wrong with this: sed -i ’s/usr/$RTUSER/g’ /home/$RTUSER/.rtorrent.rc |
| 18:46 | <Zviper> | i keep on getting this error: sed: -e expression #1, char 1: unknown command: `' |
| 18:46 | <ml|> | bcochofel: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 18:46 | <bcochofel> | ml|, those are the first steps |
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| 18:47 | <ml|> | ok, just making sure gl |
| 18:47 | <bcochofel> | but I will not upgrade to lenny |
| 18:47 | <bcochofel> | at least for now |
| 18:47 | <bcochofel> | I'm still on etch on my sources.list |
| 18:47 | <bcochofel> | guess I'm upgrading to the rc8, right? |
| 18:47 | <notyou> | i said that at first. when i did there was no noticible difference at all |
| 18:47 | <ml|> | ok, when ya ready you know how now |
| 18:48 | <ml|> | yes |
| 18:48 | <bja> | Zviper: guess man sed will give you the answer. (small hint try changing -i for a -e) |
| 18:48 | <bcochofel> | ml|, was that yes for the rc8? |
| 18:49 | <notyou> | can filling a hdd to capacity have a negative effect on the drive? |
| 18:49 | <blarson> | notyou: it may have a negitive affect on the filesystem, but not the drive. |
| 18:50 | <ml|> | bcochofel: i think so, but not 100% since i'm not on etch |
| 18:50 | <bcochofel> | ok |
| 18:50 | <bcochofel> | thx |
| 18:50 | <Zviper> | i changed it, same error. i checked man sed but i couldn't find anything of use |
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| 18:50 | <adb> | Zviper: try #sed on freenode |
| 18:50 | <ml|> | np, did you try other rtorrent versions? |
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| 18:50 | <witte> | bcochofel: you will upgrade to the latest version, which is the unline status and not a snapshot relaese |
| 18:50 | <ml|> | from that link |
| 18:50 | <locklace> | there's a sed channel? |
| 18:50 | <locklace> | what's next, #/bin/true? |
| 18:50 | <Zviper> | oh cool thanks |
| 18:51 | <witte> | bcochofel: it is also no release candidate (rc) as it is released officially... |
| 18:51 | <ml|> | hah |
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| 18:51 | <bcochofel> | ml|, yes |
| 18:51 | <bcochofel> | witte, ok, it's r8 |
| 18:51 | <ml|> | and they didn't work also? |
| 18:51 | <bcochofel> | ml|, nop |
| 18:51 | <bcochofel> | guess I don't have the latest etch |
| 18:52 | <bcochofel> | let me check |
| 18:52 | <ml|> | ah, need to move up to lenny then would be my guess |
| 18:52 | <adb> | locklace: #sed has 77 "users" |
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| 18:52 | <locklace> | jesus |
| 18:52 | <bja> | i don't believe it |
| 18:52 | <ml|> | hehe not bad ;) |
| 18:52 | <ml|> | bja: make it 78 :) |
| 18:53 | <bja> | xP |
| 18:53 | <ml|> | bcochofel: lsb_release -a |
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| 18:54 | <bcochofel> | ml|, only get 4.0 |
| 18:55 | <ml|> | r8 might release # for d-i |
| 18:56 | <ml|> | *be |
| 18:57 | <witte> | !tell bcochofel about etch->lenny |
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| 18:58 | <ml|> | witte: he knows, but not ready for now |
| 18:58 | <bcochofel> | witte, ok, I don't want to upgrade to lenny for now, so I only did the first dist-upgrade |
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| 18:58 | <simNIX> | hello - some time back I was ponted at a program which makes that at login set programs can start automatiicly in gnome and set on what desktop and size - I only cant retrace it with google - I forgot the name :( |
| 18:58 | <simNIX> | maybe someone here knows ? |
| 18:58 | <bcochofel> | witte, maybe after that I can install rtorrent |
| 18:58 | <witte> | bcochofel: is there a specific reason you want to stay with old-stable/etch? |
| 18:58 | <ml|> | bcochofel: since you did a dist-upgrade you should have the lastest etch |
| 18:59 | <bcochofel> | then I will handle the upgrade to lenny |
| 18:59 | <bcochofel> | witte, well, need to check if I have bcks for all the data and that stuff |
| 18:59 | <ml|> | bcochofel: try again now to install rtorrent |
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| 18:59 | <bja> | ml|: only if he did change sources.list to point directly to etch, else ... |
| 18:59 | <witte> | bcochofel: ok, very important :-) |
| 18:59 | <bcochofel> | ml|, that's what I will do as soon as the downloads stop |
| 19:00 | <bcochofel> | witte, yep |
| 19:00 | <ml|> | bja: he has not touched them :) |
| 19:00 | <witte> | simNIX: you mean to change the resolution of your screen? grandr |
| 19:00 | <ml|> | bcochofel: being a while since last update? |
| 19:00 | <bcochofel> | witte, I did apt-get instead of aptitude, that's not a problem right? |
| 19:01 | <ml|> | no |
| 19:01 | <bcochofel> | ml|, yes, very |
| 19:01 | <ml|> | dpkg: tell bcochofel about why aptitude |
| 19:01 | <bcochofel> | been a while since I was in this etch |
| 19:01 | <ml|> | just incase |
| 19:02 | <ml|> | ah, backup ->lenny :) |
| 19:02 | <simNIX> | no I mean at login for instance firefox is set to start on desktop 3, on desktop 4 left half could be xcat and right pidgin |
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| 19:02 | <simNIX> | autostart with placement settings simply put |
| 19:02 | <simNIX> | it had a funny name |
| 19:02 | <simNIX> | only cant think of what |
| 19:02 | <bcochofel> | ml|, need to change my DVD rec and them I can safely backup data to DVD |
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| 19:03 | <ml|> | bcochofel: when you can, you still have a few months ;) |
| 19:03 | <ml|> | but sooner the better |
| 19:03 | <witte> | bcochofel: no, i use apt-get as well |
| 19:04 | <ml|> | !lart apt-get |
| 19:04 | * | dpkg whacks apt-get with the cluebat |
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| 19:04 | <bcochofel> | problem is that I need to open my PC and replace my dvd-ram |
| 19:04 | <witte> | bcochofel: it seems aptitude is better, but i like apt-get more, and I don't think the difference is that big (they made some changes to apt-get as well...) |
| 19:05 | <adb> | !etch->lenny |
| 19:05 | <jrabbit> | The diffrences can be bad/good |
| 19:05 | <ml|> | lol he knows |
| 19:05 | <jrabbit> | depends on the string of dependencies |
| 19:05 | <jrabbit> | and if they were done well |
| 19:05 | <ml|> | !win aptitude |
| 19:05 | <dpkg> | Congratulations, aptitude! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 19:06 | <jrabbit> | lol |
| 19:06 | <bcochofel> | everyone is trying to get me to lenny :D |
| 19:06 | <ml|> | bcochofel: yup :) |
| 19:06 | <bcochofel> | I will get there |
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| 19:06 | <simNIX> | bcochofel, It's realy worth the switch IMHO but no need to rush |
| 19:07 | <bcochofel> | for a while I was configuring a second server so I can reinstall my first one |
| 19:07 | <bja> | bcochofel: It won't go anywhere switch in due time |
| 19:07 | <bcochofel> | then I was trying to put that on mondo |
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| 19:08 | <bcochofel> | so I could restore it with all my configs |
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| 19:08 | <bcochofel> | that went bad |
| 19:08 | <bcochofel> | and them I need to config all that again |
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| 19:08 | <lumpy> | http://www.idpz.net/lump%27/sarko.html |
| 19:09 | <bcochofel> | I was adding more security and stuff, but mondo never did install on my first server |
| 19:09 | <bcochofel> | don't know why |
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| 19:09 | <ml|> | my backups are done with rsnapshot :) |
| 19:09 | <bja> | !lart lumpy |
| 19:09 | * | dpkg does a little 'renice 20 -u lumpy' |
| 19:10 | <lumpy> | xD |
| 19:10 | <lumpy> | was joke :D |
| 19:10 | <bja> | its ok photo is great |
| 19:10 | * | ml| must look now |
| 19:11 | <ml|> | hah |
| 19:11 | <bja> | ml|: if you understand french |
| 19:11 | <ml|> | no french but picture tells all ;P |
| 19:11 | <bja> | great isn't it |
| 19:12 | <ml|> | well... |
| 19:12 | <lumpy> | i'm french :D |
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| 19:13 | <bja> | i guessed so :D |
| 19:13 | <ml|> | yeah hehe |
| 19:13 | <lumpy> | ^^ |
| 19:13 | <ml|> | lumpy: there is a french if ya like |
| 19:13 | <ml|> | *channel |
| 19:13 | <bja> | !tell lumpy about fr |
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| 19:14 | <amphi> | ml|: I was about to say, I'd heard there were several ;) |
| 19:14 | <bja> | lumpy: dpkg told you that |
| 19:14 | <lumpy> | yes but the goal of this game it's to go much poeple who can |
| 19:14 | <ml|> | amphi: hehe :) |
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| 19:15 | <ml|> | lumpy: ok, but last sentence didn't make much sense, but can be decoded ;) |
| 19:16 | <lumpy> | yeah so bad in english ^^' |
| 19:16 | <ml|> | it's cool |
| 19:16 | <ml|> | :) |
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| 19:17 | <bja> | lumpy: thx for the laugh |
| 19:17 | <lumpy> | ^^ |
| 19:17 | <ml|> | !lart bja |
| 19:17 | * | dpkg urinates on bja |
| 19:17 | <ml|> | haha |
| 19:17 | <bja> | ml|: that one hurt |
| 19:17 | <bja> | !nuke ml| |
| 19:17 | * | dpkg fires a 90 petaton thermonuclear weapon at ml| |
| 19:18 | <ml|> | bja: dpkg picked that one not me and ouch |
| 19:18 | * | bja looks how halve the earth goes with ml| into oblivion |
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| 19:18 | <bja> | :) |
| 19:18 | <locklace> | !start a nuclear war |
| 19:18 | <dpkg> | SHALL WE PLAY A GAME? |
| 19:18 | <ml|> | bja: would mind it ya know quick and all :) |
| 19:19 | <ml|> | *not |
| 19:19 | <bja> | :) |
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| 19:24 | <ml|> | locklace: hah |
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| 19:26 | <bja> | ml|: don't abuse the bot while I'm not around :) |
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| 19:32 | <maxxe> | mensa |
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| 19:39 | <trustedone> | hey guys i need some help with my graphics card i have a nvidia geforce 8m card and need to set it up the propriatary one doesnt work i am running 8.04 |
| 19:40 | <craigevil> | !ubuntu |
| 19:40 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 19:49 | <administrator> | lost |
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| 20:05 | <prahal> | is there a gnokii via bluetooth user ? I am looking after Fbus usage instructions (gnokii try to connect to channel 14 while there is not service listening on that port |
| 20:07 | <adb> | are you sure that channel 14 means port 14 ? |
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| 20:10 | <prahal> | well there is not such thing as port in bluetooth . though it should be close to "port" |
| 20:10 | <prahal> | my bad for to have used "port" concept for an unrelated item |
| 20:12 | <adb> | http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Fbus+usage+instructions |
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| 20:14 | <adb> | apt-cache search gnokii |
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| 20:51 | <Zviper> | what's the best way to su without getting permissions errors when using screen? |
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| 20:52 | <sney> | probably sudo |
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| 21:21 | <BabaBlackSheep> | hello |
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| 21:35 | <Jimmy89> | hey guys, I am having trouble changing resolution on my HD3200 graphics card (onboard ATI 780g) |
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| 21:38 | <adb> | !ati |
| 21:38 | <dpkg> | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (ie. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 21:56 | <Computer_Man> | can anyone help me with getting a program to autolaunch? |
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| 21:59 | <Computer_Man> | can anyone help me with getting a program to autolaunch? |
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| 22:01 | <jidm> | Computer_Man which desktop? Gnome KDE? |
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| 22:15 | <Jimmy89> | how can I tell if my network card is synching at gigabit? |
| 22:15 | <Jimmy89> | cause it only seems to be copying at ~100mbit speeds |
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| 22:19 | <mib_tfk6bvxu> | Can anybody lend a hand to a linux newbie? |
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| 22:21 | <jidm> | mib_tfk6bvxu just ask, if anyone can help, he'll do it. Go ahead. |
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| 22:21 | <Kvant> | Jimmy89, take a look at ethtool and mii-tool (in net-tools) |
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| 22:21 | <Jimmy89> | I just found mii-tool |
| 22:21 | <Jimmy89> | it says 1000mbps |
| 22:21 | <Jimmy89> | but file transfer speeds are not over 100mbps speeds |
| 22:22 | <mib_tfk6bvxu> | Thanks. I'm trying to install a display driver, and it tells me I need ld. So I download binutils and try to install, but when I run configure, it tells me " error: cannot run C compiled programs". I'm at a complete loss with that one. |
| 22:23 | <mib_tfk6bvxu> | What am I doing wrong, here? |
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| 22:27 | <Nemoder> | mib_tfk6bvxu: what version of debian are you using? |
| 22:27 | <witte> | mib_tfk6bvxu: which driver are you installing, and why are you compiling if you are a newby? |
| 22:28 | <witte> | mib_tfk6bvxu: normally you should have much easier ways to get what you want unless you want something very special |
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| 22:29 | <mib_tfk6bvxu> | It's Debian 5.0, and I'm trying to compile an nvidia driver to cooperate with its TV-out port. Hey, if there's an easier way, I'm all for it. |
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| 22:29 | <witte> | !nvidia |
| 22:29 | <dpkg> | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 22:30 | <witte> | mib_tfk6bvxu: that was for you ;-) |
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| 22:31 | <mib_tfk6bvxu> | Blessings. I'll take it |
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| 22:47 | <Jimmy89> | could it be samba that is making the filesharing slow? |
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| 22:52 | <Kindar> | Gah, I'm an idiot, and I apologize. I'm taking your suggestion from earlier, and trying to get the nvidia files via apt-get, and it informs me that it can't find nvidia-kernel-common even after editing the sources list to include contrib and non-free. Did I miss an additional step someplace? And if you'd rather I took this to #nvidia, please just say so. |
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| 22:53 | <witte> | did you update after adding non-free and contrib? |
| 22:54 | <witte> | apt-cache search nvidia-kernel-common |
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| 22:55 | <Kindar> | apparently not. I must have missed that in the man page. How do I go about that? (apt-cache search provides no output) |
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| 23:00 | <Kindar> | Never mind... Brain kicked in. Thanks again |
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| 23:19 | <Jimmy89> | can you guys think of any reason why file transfers through samba would start at ~35mb/s, then drop down to 8 ? |
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| 23:24 | <prahal> | Jimmy89, via gvfs ? |
| 23:24 | <prahal> | nautilus 2.24 that is |
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| 23:25 | <Jimmy89> | from a vista machine to the debian box |
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| 23:26 | <Jimmy89> | it was copying at a solid 35mb/s |
| 23:26 | <Jimmy89> | then just dropped won |
| 23:26 | <Jimmy89> | *down |
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| --- | Log | closed Sat Jun 20 00:00:00 2009 |