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00:02 | <chzo> | ? |
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00:02 | <TIM> | my life sucks right now, my cd drive doesn't work properly |
00:03 | <adb> | needed for ? |
00:04 | <TIM> | talking to me? |
00:04 | <Piratero> | ? |
00:04 | <TIM> | question mark |
00:04 | <dr|z3d> | TIM: Do you have a Debian issue we can help with? Or are you just here to piss and moan? :) |
00:05 | <TIM> | lol |
00:05 | <TIM> | I'm a nooby for one so if by debian you mean a linux comparability problem then yes |
00:05 | <gsimmons> | chzo: If you are after assistance regarding your issue, you will need to provide details. /msg dpkg ask |
00:06 | <TIM> | compatibility |
00:06 | <dr|z3d> | If you're a noob, then Ubuntu or MintLinux are likely infinitely more suitable. |
00:06 | <TIM> | i'm on ubuntu |
00:06 | <TIM> | I call ubuntu linux |
00:06 | <mosno> | does it answer? |
00:06 | <TIM> | cause like I said i'm a nooby |
00:06 | <adb> | !sunday |
00:06 | <dpkg> | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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00:08 | <adb> | dpkg: tell TIM about ubuntu |
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00:12 | <Piratero> | i need like a cheat sheet |
00:12 | <Piratero> | that ties the package system of debian into one |
00:12 | <Piratero> | from what the looks of it, i can do exactly what the freebsd ports system does |
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00:22 | <craigevil> | Piratero: take a look at /usr/share/doc/apt-dpkg-ref/apt-dpkg-ref.html |
00:23 | <craigevil> | or the debian-reference card |
00:27 | <Piratero> | thanks |
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00:27 | <Piratero> | http://xinocat.com/refcard/ |
00:27 | <Piratero> | i'm assuming this? |
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00:28 | <craigevil> | idk it can be installed as a package |
00:28 | <sney`> | oh goodness I had no idea that existed |
00:28 | <sney`> | that is really cool |
00:28 | * | sney` prints |
00:29 | <lethalduck> | What does the ampersand mean/do in: find / | xargs tar cf - | bzip2 > /dev/null& |
00:29 | <craigevil> | debian-refcard is the package name |
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00:30 | <sney`> | lethalduck: it runs the command in the background and returns you to a shell prompt before the command finishes |
00:31 | <sney`> | there's a space between /dev/null and the & |
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00:32 | <lethalduck> | Great sney, thanks |
00:32 | <sney`> | so that command says, in english, "list all my files, then put them in a tar archive, then bzip that shit, but don't tell me about it, and let me do something else while it's happening" |
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00:33 | <TheFish> | hi |
00:33 | <lethalduck> | Thanks sney |
00:33 | <sney`> | welcome |
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00:44 | <k1lumin4t1> | has anybody installed linux and windows in different drives being managed by GRUB? |
00:44 | <southernc> | yes |
00:45 | <southernc> | im doing it right now |
00:45 | <k1lumin4t1> | southernc, debian in particular? |
00:45 | <sney`> | I've done it before but not recently, it's fairly easy, the trick is to install windows first |
00:45 | <k1lumin4t1> | ok |
00:45 | <k1lumin4t1> | the scenery is this |
00:45 | <sney`> | making grub play nice with a windows install is a lot easier than going back into your linux install after windows erased your MBR |
00:45 | <k1lumin4t1> | Two IDE hard drives both of 2 GB |
00:45 | <southernc> | you install windows and when grub searches for other installations as long as the harddrive is connected at the same time it will ask if you want to add it to the mbr |
00:46 | <k1lumin4t1> | ok |
00:46 | <southernc> | very easy |
00:46 | <k1lumin4t1> | so it's basically the same as with one drive? |
00:46 | <southernc> | uhuh |
00:46 | <k1lumin4t1> | thanks |
00:46 | <sney`> | yeah, same deal as with one drive and 2 partitions |
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00:46 | <sney`> | also, dang, 2GB hard drives? where'd you get those, a museum? |
00:46 | <k1lumin4t1> | hahaha |
00:46 | <k1lumin4t1> | kind of |
00:46 | <k1lumin4t1> | it's a very old box |
00:47 | <sney`> | I'll say. |
00:47 | <k1lumin4t1> | that had one 2 GB HD and another 10 GB |
00:47 | <southernc> | those would be good for making a linux firewall box |
00:47 | <sney`> | agreed |
00:47 | <k1lumin4t1> | and I added another 2 GB |
00:47 | <k1lumin4t1> | so I want the two 2 GB to bear the OSes |
00:47 | <southernc> | good luck with that |
00:47 | <k1lumin4t1> | and the 10 GB to bear the "homes" |
00:47 | <southernc> | lol |
00:47 | <sney`> | 1 drive for OS, 1 drive for swap (because you know it has like no ram), 2 NICs, hardly any PSU usage |
00:47 | <k1lumin4t1> | oh |
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00:48 | <k1lumin4t1> | sney, that0s a good idea |
00:48 | <sney`> | it'd be decent for linux tinkering too though |
00:48 | <k1lumin4t1> | hmm |
00:48 | <k1lumin4t1> | now I'm messed up :D |
00:48 | <sney`> | yeah if you already have a windows machine I wouldn't really recommend trying to dual-boot a machine that old |
00:48 | <southernc> | that could cause an easy ddos with such a small drive |
00:48 | <k1lumin4t1> | dunno how to set them now |
00:48 | <sney`> | unless you're putting win95 on it or something |
00:48 | <k1lumin4t1> | hmm |
00:48 | <k1lumin4t1> | sney, why? |
00:49 | <sney`> | XP would hardly fit. 2k could work, but it'd be a squeeze. |
00:49 | <sney`> | I mean, if you're just playing around, it'll be fine, but you'll find yourself going "argh I have to delete things to fit this reasonable download" a lot |
00:49 | <southernc> | i dont think with the kernel source it would fit .... |
00:49 | <k1lumin4t1> | it has 128 MB RAM |
00:50 | <k1lumin4t1> | and it's a pentium I I think |
00:50 | <sney`> | oof 586 |
00:50 | <southernc> | i just had to fix a server with a 5 gig / and it ran out of space lol |
00:50 | <sney`> | yeah but that was probably serving something |
00:50 | <k1lumin4t1> | well |
00:50 | <sney`> | I bet /var was huge |
00:50 | <k1lumin4t1> | I'm not planning on making it a server |
00:50 | <k1lumin4t1> | it's for a poor girl |
00:50 | <sney`> | a debian minimal install is pretty small and even the kernel sources are only a couple hundred megs at most |
00:50 | <k1lumin4t1> | that has no way to access a pc |
00:51 | <k1lumin4t1> | so I want to get Windows and Linux on it |
00:51 | <sney`> | and you're trying to go the OLPC route with the whole open source thing? cool idea |
00:51 | <k1lumin4t1> | so she can have a taste of both |
00:51 | <k1lumin4t1> | but i'm going to install a "lightweight" linux |
00:51 | <sney`> | you might want to scrounge up a bigger hard drive somewhere so she can have a place to put all those inevitable mp3s |
00:51 | <k1lumin4t1> | using Debian and LXDE |
00:51 | <southernc> | not to bash debian but if shes a new user wouldnt ubuntu be a better choice ? |
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00:51 | <k1lumin4t1> | sney, that's what the 10 GB one is for |
00:51 | <k1lumin4t1> | southernc, not really |
00:51 | <sney`> | debian is fine for a new user as long as the setup is already done ahead of time |
00:52 | <k1lumin4t1> | exactly |
00:52 | <k1lumin4t1> | I'm in charge of that part |
00:52 | <k1lumin4t1> | and I have some experience |
00:52 | <sney`> | and support, I bet |
00:52 | <southernc> | i suppose but isnt ubuntu more user friendly ... |
00:52 | <k1lumin4t1> | yes |
00:52 | <sney`> | not in the day-to-day stuff really southernc |
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00:52 | <adb> | You will enjoy Debian I am sure. It really is more solid - even the unstable repos are better than Ubuntu stable. |
00:52 | <k1lumin4t1> | southernc, i can make debian user friendly for her |
00:52 | <southernc> | i dunno ive never used ubuntu just from what i hear |
00:53 | <k1lumin4t1> | she'll be only needing: word processing, internet and multimedia |
00:53 | <sney`> | once a good DE with buttons is all set up, people would hardly notice the difference between the two ("oh, is that a different background?") it's all about being able to do the stuff they want to do, which is extremely simple |
00:53 | <k1lumin4t1> | with lxde, abiword and some lightweight web browser and audacious it could work |
00:53 | <sney`> | abiword, iceweasel, mplayer/etc |
00:53 | <loudergood_> | pidgin |
00:53 | <k1lumin4t1> | iceweasel eats too much ram |
00:53 | <sney`> | urgh audacious. is audacious good now? the lead developer is a raging cockhole |
00:54 | <k1lumin4t1> | hahaha |
00:54 | <sney`> | I refuse to use it on those grounds |
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00:54 | <k1lumin4t1> | well it's fine |
00:54 | <k1lumin4t1> | I would enjoy giving her amarok |
00:54 | <k1lumin4t1> | but the machine won't bear it |
00:54 | <sney`> | since it's so old maybe you should just stick with old xmms |
00:54 | <k1lumin4t1> | xmms it's out of the game |
00:54 | <sney`> | the original winamp clone |
00:54 | <k1lumin4t1> | yes |
00:55 | <sney`> | I have no idea if it's even still in apt |
00:55 | <adb> | xmms2 |
00:55 | <k1lumin4t1> | but xmms doesn't exist anymore |
00:55 | <k1lumin4t1> | not in debian |
00:55 | <k1lumin4t1> | adama, xmms2 plain sux |
00:55 | <sney`> | dang. |
00:55 | <k1lumin4t1> | sorry |
00:55 | <k1lumin4t1> | adb, xmms2 is unintelligible |
00:55 | <adb> | audacious is ok |
00:55 | <sney`> | I bet that adama guy hates it when people tab him instead of adb |
00:55 | <k1lumin4t1> | hahaha |
00:56 | <southernc> | is bind/dns required to have a mail server / webserver ? |
00:56 | <k1lumin4t1> | southernc, sure |
00:56 | <k1lumin4t1> | not bind exactly |
00:56 | <k1lumin4t1> | but some dns solution |
00:56 | <sney`> | yeah, you need dns but you don't need locally handled dns |
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00:56 | <sney`> | usually if you're colocating a server or *something* there are other dns options that you can use |
00:56 | <k1lumin4t1> | yes, you could go with third party providers |
00:56 | <k1lumin4t1> | like zoneedit |
00:56 | <k1lumin4t1> | or afraid |
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00:57 | <k1lumin4t1> | or if it's for internal mail dnsmasq |
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00:57 | <sney`> | or even the dinky free ones like no-ip |
00:57 | <southernc> | im trying to figure oput a way to get it to work without using a dns server on a box i dont really want dns open to the world |
00:57 | <k1lumin4t1> | sney`, zoneedit and afraid are free also |
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00:57 | <k1lumin4t1> | southernc, zoneedit, afraid, dyndns, no-ip |
00:57 | <sney`> | well if you're just doing local development you can use hosts files to associate to an ip address |
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00:57 | <k1lumin4t1> | ugh |
00:58 | <k1lumin4t1> | that'd require some working |
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00:58 | <sney`> | httpd/mail will work just fine as an ip address |
00:58 | <k1lumin4t1> | editing the hosts file manually can be a nagg |
00:58 | <sney`> | again, just talking LAN stuff here |
00:58 | <sney`> | with a small LAN |
00:58 | <sney`> | for development purpsoses. etc. |
00:58 | <southernc> | hrrmm well something to ponder with anyway |
00:58 | <k1lumin4t1> | do it the right way man |
00:58 | <k1lumin4t1> | use some third-party |
00:58 | <k1lumin4t1> | so |
00:59 | <k1lumin4t1> | back to my issue |
00:59 | <k1lumin4t1> | two 2 GB HD |
00:59 | <southernc> | soory thanks for the advice lol |
00:59 | <k1lumin4t1> | will it fit? |
00:59 | <k1lumin4t1> | don't worry |
00:59 | <k1lumin4t1> | I mean windows XP... |
00:59 | <k1lumin4t1> | not sure |
00:59 | <k1lumin4t1> | I'm just going to install the whole thing with linux |
00:59 | <sney`> | honestly, the last time I fit anything onto a hard drive that small was when debian potato was new, and most people still used win98 |
01:00 | <sney`> | so I don't know! it'd be an adventure! |
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01:00 | <k1lumin4t1> | well let's roll then |
01:00 | <sney`> | yeah besides if your user wanted to use windows she probably wouldn't be in love with some kind of clunky windows 9x. she'd want XP at least, which is probably not going to work well enough to be any good |
01:00 | <k1lumin4t1> | the two OSes HD on the first ide drive |
01:01 | <k1lumin4t1> | and the other one as slave on the second ide drive with a CDROM |
01:01 | <k1lumin4t1> | sney`, that's exactly what I want |
01:01 | <k1lumin4t1> | sney`, see, she's going to notice how linux can manage well on that machine |
01:01 | <sney`> | XP running like crap? |
01:01 | <k1lumin4t1> | yes :D |
01:01 | <sney`> | well then you'll get it |
01:02 | <sney`> | I do know XP supports the original Pentium, I've seen it "running" on a 60mhz thinkpad |
01:02 | <sney`> | install will take approximately 1 month |
01:02 | <k1lumin4t1> | and then I can elaborate on the idea that windows sux |
01:02 | <Piratero> | 60mhz? |
01:02 | <sney`> | Mhz. |
01:02 | <sney`> | big M. not millihertz |
01:03 | <Piratero> | MHz |
01:03 | <Piratero> | ok |
01:03 | <Piratero> | 60.0e6Hz |
01:03 | <sney`> | sometimes my shift key doesn't cooperate |
01:03 | <Zviper> | !u |
01:03 | <dpkg> | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
01:03 | <Zviper> | oops |
01:03 | <Piratero> | sney`: i wasn't trying to be a douche |
01:03 | <Piratero> | sney`: i was just asking if such a laptop exists |
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01:03 | <Piratero> | in other words, i'm surprised there was a 60mhz laptop |
01:04 | <sney`> | I doubt there's a 60mhz laptop, but there was definitely a 60Mhz laptop |
01:04 | <sney`> | ask the annals of history. I don't remember. |
01:04 | <Piratero> | if you're going to correct me |
01:04 | <Piratero> | it isn't hz |
01:04 | <Piratero> | it's Hz |
01:04 | <sney`> | fakldjaflskjdfsa |
01:05 | <loudergood_> | heh, I have lenny on a pentium 133MHz laptop |
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01:05 | <sney`> | approximately 60 bazillion cycles per second, but still not fast enough to run windows xp worth a damn. it also had one of those foldy keyboards, remember the one they had those TV ads for? it was cool. it had a cd-rom drive which was the bee's knees when it was new. IBM sure made some great laptops. |
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01:10 | <craigevil> | debian will fit on a 2gb, my install on my eee 701 is only 1.4GB and thats with lxde and some kde apps |
01:10 | <k1lumin4t1> | craigevil, thanks for the tip |
01:12 | <Piratero> | how can i disable root from logging into one of the terminals? |
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01:18 | <Piratero> | this is so different... |
01:18 | <Piratero> | ugh |
01:19 | <craigevil> | Piratero: easy way install and use Bastille although there is probably another way |
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01:37 | <southernc> | anyone know why when trying to open certain programs from the menus it wont open or it looks like its opening and just hangs and closes on gnome ? |
01:38 | <southernc> | for instance trying to open synaptic i click nothing happens |
01:39 | <southernc> | anyone else experience this problem |
01:40 | <drakeman> | southernc, what certain programs? |
01:41 | <sladi> | southernc Tried to launch from console? |
01:41 | <drakeman> | southernc, any error log? |
01:41 | <southernc> | like in this case its synaptic but it happens with a bunch others like xchat sometimes terminal |
01:41 | <southernc> | if i type synaptic in terminal i get |
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01:42 | <southernc> | no protocol specifiesd |
01:42 | <southernc> | (synaptic:12518): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 |
01:42 | <drakeman> | you get that message when you try to open any program? |
01:43 | <southernc> | well i just reinstalled and this is the first time i tried openening a program that wouldnt open from terminal so im not sure |
01:44 | <drakeman> | what you get when you type echo $DISPLAY in terminal?P |
01:44 | <southernc> | but like i just tried opening sessions from the menu |
01:44 | <southernc> | iot shows the box on the toolbar it has a waiting icon then it just goes away and never opens |
01:45 | <southernc> | echo $DISPLAY |
01:45 | <southernc> | :0.0 |
01:46 | <Piratero> | looks like debian isn't for me |
01:46 | <drakeman> | southernc, write this in console sudo synaptic --display :0 |
01:46 | <southernc> | i actually cant even open an archive |
01:46 | <Piratero> | arch linux seems to hold more ties with freebs |
01:46 | <Piratero> | freebsd |
01:46 | <Piratero> | too bad :( |
01:46 | <drakeman> | then... sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
01:47 | <southernc> | should i use kernel framebuffer device interface |
01:47 | <southernc> | ? |
01:48 | <drakeman> | plop, i use the default |
01:48 | <Piratero> | bye |
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01:50 | <southernc> | yea applications still hang and never open |
01:50 | <southernc> | (synaptic:12689): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 |
01:50 | <drakeman> | southernc, is a clean installation? |
01:50 | <southernc> | yea |
01:51 | <southernc> | about 20 minutes ago ive installed nothing but the base system and display manager |
01:51 | <drakeman> | southernc, apt-get install gksu |
01:52 | <southernc> | gksu is already the newest version. |
01:52 | <southernc> | gksu set to manually installed. |
01:52 | <sladi> | southernc, Have you installedthe Gnome metapackage? |
01:53 | <southernc> | i havent installed anything |
01:53 | <southernc> | thats not instyalled by the installer |
01:54 | <sladi> | I see, besides base system you had Desktop Envidroment selected too I guess? |
01:54 | <southernc> | yea thats what i meant |
01:54 | <southernc> | sorry |
01:55 | <sladi> | southernc, NP, sorry I have noe idea but I recently installed to try KDE4 and I unselected everything, not even base system. Then from console in aptitude I installed the KDE stuff. |
01:55 | <sladi> | It pulled everything needed to, like xorg for example |
01:56 | <southernc> | hmm |
01:56 | <southernc> | i might try that |
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01:56 | <southernc> | brb ill try logging out and back in |
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01:59 | <southernc> | well it works logging out and back in but thats pretty anoying to have to do that |
01:59 | <k1lumin4t1> | quick question |
01:59 | <k1lumin4t1> | I just can't remember |
01:59 | <southernc> | maybe ill try using the fglrx drivers |
01:59 | <k1lumin4t1> | in an IDE cable |
01:59 | <k1lumin4t1> | there are three connectors |
01:59 | <southernc> | ... |
02:00 | <southernc> | ehhh no |
02:00 | <k1lumin4t1> | one goes to mobo |
02:00 | <k1lumin4t1> | and the other two (the close ones) are for each drive |
02:00 | <k1lumin4t1> | which one is the master? |
02:00 | <drakeman> | :S |
02:00 | <southernc> | the farhest away |
02:00 | <k1lumin4t1> | ok |
02:00 | <k1lumin4t1> | thanks |
02:00 | <southernc> | the one in the middle i think is the slave |
02:00 | <k1lumin4t1> | I just forgot about that |
02:01 | <drakeman> | :S :S :S :S :S :S :S |
02:01 | <southernc> | but you could always just change the jumpers |
02:01 | <k1lumin4t1> | yes, but I wan't one particular drive to be master |
02:01 | <drakeman> | Master ---> Slave ---> Cable Select |
02:01 | <drakeman> | :D |
02:01 | <drakeman> | k1lumin4t1, set the jumper to master in that particular drive. |
02:01 | <k1lumin4t1> | yes |
02:02 | <k1lumin4t1> | and then in which connector of the ide cable do i place it? |
02:02 | <k1lumin4t1> | any of them? |
02:02 | <drakeman> | and in slave (99% of the cases, no jumper) the others drives |
02:02 | <drakeman> | yes. |
02:02 | <southernc> | <k1lumin4t1>: what i mean is that if its an older mobo you could run into problems if the jumpers on the drives arent set right |
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02:08 | <unknown> | hi |
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02:08 | <southernc> | that worked like a charm nomore problems |
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02:10 | <drakeman> | unknow hi |
02:10 | <drakeman> | southernc, what works? let me know to increase my knowledge, what was the solution foryour error? |
02:11 | <southernc> | ide have to pastebin it hang on |
02:12 | <drakeman> | southernc, ok! |
02:12 | <drakeman> | hey, anyone knows the name of the package that checks any installation for bugs before install on system? |
02:13 | <cahoot> | apt-listbugs |
02:14 | <southernc> | http://debian.pastebin.com/m176b5ac8 |
02:14 | <drakeman> | cahoot, , thanks, i have it installed, but i think im going to remove it.. |
02:15 | <drakeman> | southernc, you do all that to solve the GTK warning error? |
02:15 | <southernc> | uhuh |
02:15 | <southernc> | gotta be a display error with xorg |
02:15 | <drakeman> | southernc, , ohhh. many steps. |
02:16 | <southernc> | copy paste |
02:16 | <southernc> | lol |
02:16 | <drakeman> | southernc, o you get that from a website? |
02:16 | <southernc> | no |
02:16 | <drakeman> | southernc, then? |
02:16 | <drakeman> | southernc, intuition? |
02:16 | <drakeman> | haha |
02:16 | <southernc> | it can be copy paste now though |
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02:17 | <drakeman> | southernc, well thanks anyways for the solution, i though it will be less steps. |
02:17 | <southernc> | i read somewhere a while back about problems with my 4800 card |
02:17 | <drakeman> | i see! |
02:18 | <drakeman> | hey, why the people always compares ubuntu and debian, and try to say ohh ubuntu is better, but if it is based on debian how can be better? .... |
02:19 | <southernc> | and there was alot of sites that show ways to get it to work but if you did ati --initial it basically renders youyr disoplay useless without dpkg -reconfiguring xorg you have to load the kernel modules to get it to work right |
02:19 | <drakeman> | southernc, ok. i see, thanks for the info... |
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02:19 | <drakeman> | "Ubuntu, an ancient word for 'Can't install Debian'" <---------- Plop! |
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02:24 | <drakeman> | well, going to sleep. |
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02:26 | <drakeman> | ml|, hey at this time the bot is online and you sleeping! hehee |
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02:46 | <lethalduck> | Will this command run my test.sh 4 times concurrently and in the background? ./test.sh &; ./test.sh &; ./test.sh &; ./test.sh &; |
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03:03 | <leejongwook> | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/ <--- this is tiny version of debian lenny |
03:04 | <leejongwook> | how do i use 'em ? |
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03:24 | <beer> | have someone tried to connect to gmail.com using konq konq lately? |
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03:51 | <southernc> | kind of a stupid question but ${SAHOME} is supposed to equal /var/lib but before that wouyld work wouldnt you need to create a symlink to it ? |
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04:15 | <Kaiz3r63> | hi everybody |
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05:10 | <lethalduck> | Should this command run my test.sh 4 times concurrently and in the background? ./test.sh &; ./test.sh &; ./test.sh &; ./test.sh &; |
05:10 | <cahoot> | what happends if you try? |
05:11 | <lethalduck> | Desn't work. Can't remember the error msg... was a few hours ago |
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05:14 | <cahoot> | the error msg might actually be informative |
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05:15 | <lethalduck> | cahoot: system crashed |
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05:22 | <lethalduck> | cahoot: -bash: syntax error near unexpected token ';' |
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05:26 | <locklace> | lethalduck: so did it occur to you that maybe your script has a syntax error? |
05:26 | <locklace> | you know, in the spirit of wild guessing. |
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05:29 | <lethalduck> | locklace: No, there are no semicolons in the script |
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05:30 | <lethalduck> | but it did occur in the spirit of wild guessing that maybe there was a problem with the ';' in the command |
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05:32 | <locklace> | that's bash for you. it won't accept "foo &;". |
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05:33 | <lethalduck> | If I run the command with out semicolons it appears to run, but I'm not sure if multiple instances of the script are running |
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05:35 | <locklace> | they aren't. the other words are just getting passed as arguments to the first command. |
05:35 | <lethalduck> | This is my script locklace: http://paste.debian.net/40449/ |
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05:35 | <locklace> | oh, with the &s? it appears bash will do it in that case, yes. |
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05:36 | <lethalduck> | locklace I thought the &'s where to cause the process to run in the background? |
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05:37 | <locklace> | they are. but you can think of "&" as including an implicit ";", so the it complains about "&;" for the same reason it complains about ";;" |
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05:40 | <hever> | Hello my system (webserver) crashes sometimes and is then partially no longer available. Partially means I can ping it but the webserver or sshd are no longer available. (sshd listens but I can't connect to it.) I got the following VGA outputs: http://imagebin.ca/view/NOP9C4OP.html, http://imagebin.ca/view/1zqjcQtX.html What does the output tell you? (Actually I'm trying to reproduce the crash to get debug logs but the system wont crash.) |
05:41 | <locklace> | hever: kernel panic |
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05:43 | <locklace> | hever: are you using xfs? |
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05:44 | <hever> | locklace, no ext3 |
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05:45 | <locklace> | hever: any nfs involved or just local ext3 filesystems? |
05:45 | <hever> | locklace, two discs in a software raid |
05:45 | <hever> | just local |
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05:46 | <locklace> | hever: what kernel version? |
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05:47 | <hever> | I'm sure it's no hardware problem. I tested and stressed the hardware a lot to exclude this. |
05:47 | <hever> | 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem #1 SMP Thu May 28 16:09:02 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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05:47 | <hever> | Because of the page faults I thougt about memory problems... |
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05:48 | <locklace> | hever: no, it's a kernel bug. |
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05:50 | <hever> | locklace, How do you know this? |
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05:52 | <locklace> | hever: because of the big message that starts with "BUG: ...". ;) |
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05:55 | <SpintroniK> | Hi! |
05:56 | <hever> | I'll check out the net for solutions... this can't be for example a python bug ? |
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05:57 | <locklace> | hever: no, it's a kernel bug. you should upgrade your kernel package to .29 (from lenny-backports) or .30 (from sid) and see if the problem still occurs. |
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05:57 | <hever> | locklace, the problem is I can't reproduce it. So I can't validate it's gone... |
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05:58 | <cahoot> | hever: fwiw I got an updated 2.6.26-2 for lenny today |
05:58 | <locklace> | hever: how often does the problem occur? |
05:59 | <hever> | Nearly every second day |
05:59 | <locklace> | hever: so you need to do what i said, and run with the new kernel for at least a few days. |
05:59 | <valdyn> | hever: i tend to think it's more likely that this is a hardware issue |
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06:02 | <hever> | (I upgraded some days ago the kernel and other tools because there were updates and I thought it could help, but thanks for your advice to use a newer one. I'll look a bit around and check the changelogs, perhaps this is a known bug. This would give me more safety.) |
06:02 | <valdyn> | hever: why is this is .25 kernel though? |
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06:03 | <hever> | valdyn, I'm sure this is no hardware issue I tested and stressed the system some hours and some admins performed special hardware checks on all components, also the power unit... |
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06:03 | <valdyn> | hever: that proves nothing |
06:03 | <hever> | sure ;) |
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06:04 | <valdyn> | hever: for instance, typical memory issues come from overheating. Overheating is not being tested when ram is tested without cpu load |
06:04 | <valdyn> | hever: why are you using a .25 kernel? debian has no such kernel. |
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06:05 | <locklace> | where did you get .25 from? he said he's using .26. |
06:05 | <valdyn> | locklace: from the screenshot |
06:05 | <locklace> | oh, heh. that's interesting. |
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06:06 | <hever> | I think/hope I did all to exclude hardware errors. I stressed the cpu and ran memmtester, this is not as good as memmtest86 but I wanted to test cpu and mem at the same time.... |
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06:07 | <hever> | I can't remember if this screenshot was before or after the upgrade... |
06:07 | <valdyn> | hever: we need to see if the thrown stacktraces are similar or not |
06:07 | <valdyn> | hever: if they are not similar ( i.e. hinting at the same bug ) then you probably got hardware issues |
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06:13 | <sts> | hello folks. i defined an inet6 interface in my interface file, when i ifup the interface the ip6 addr. isn't added. but when i run ifup -n, it prints out the 'ip a a' and 'route add' commands accordingly. |
06:13 | <sts> | any ideas why this can happen? |
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06:15 | <hever> | valdyn, Are this messages logged? The're not in syslog. |
06:16 | <locklace> | hever: no. logging of kernel panic output is not generally possible, at least not in the usual manner |
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06:17 | <locklace> | sts: are you able to add the address fine manually with ifconfig / ip? |
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06:17 | <hever> | Somebody said he got some strange syslog messages: http://muffinresearch.co.uk/archives/2008/08/20/ubuntu-bug-soft-lockup-cpu0-stuck-for-11s/ (it covers ubuntu) and other too. |
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06:18 | <sts> | locklace: yes. |
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06:19 | <locklace> | hever: you may or may not get stuff in the actual syslog log files depending on the nature of the panic. |
06:20 | <hever> | yes sure you're right. |
06:20 | <locklace> | hever: anyway, although it could be a hw issue, the easiest thing to do pragmatically is to load a newish (.29/.30) kernel, run with it for a bit and see if the problem still appears. |
06:21 | <locklace> | sts: don't suppose ifup -v prints anything useful? |
06:21 | <lethalduck> | Thanks locklace |
06:22 | <hever> | yes. I'll do it. But its a production system and I got the first complaints. It would be nice to be able to reproduce the problem. Anyway. Thanks for your help ! |
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06:22 | <locklace> | hever: yep. intermittent kernel panics are a pain in the arse to troubleshoot. |
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06:23 | <cahoot> | that can also be true for PITA itself |
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06:34 | <hever> | Nice I added testing to sources.list and I'm getting segmentation faults... |
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06:42 | <locklace> | hever: uh, that was a remarkably bad idea... |
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06:43 | <hever> | Nothing happens yet ;) |
06:44 | <locklace> | hever: you really, really don't want to add testing or unstable to your sources on a production system. really. |
06:45 | <weasel> | well, we always need some idio^Wusers to test our stuff |
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06:46 | <locklace> | not sure "zomg everything is broken!!11!" counts as testing |
06:46 | <hever> | Yes sure. I wasn't going to upgrade from it. |
06:46 | <weasel> | locklace: it probably does |
06:46 | <weasel> | locklace: just not testing of any useful kind |
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07:14 | <ak> | hghg |
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07:14 | <mpurcell> | anybody have a solution the irritating gksu/gconf problem that disallows root to access gconf? |
07:14 | <dr|z3d> | !de |
07:14 | <dpkg> | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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07:24 | <hever> | locklace, I upgraded to the backports .29 kernel. Do you have any other hints to get more informations about the bug at the perhaps next crash? |
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07:27 | * | EmleyMoor just pushed his system a little too hard |
07:29 | <EmleyMoor> | ... and took gdm down |
07:30 | <locklace> | hever: not really. the key is the complete output of the panic message; if you can get that by taking a screenshot, that's probably easiest. setting up a serial console is another option. there are other ways to arrange to capture panic messages, but they're more involved. |
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07:38 | <hever> | locklace, thanks |
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07:39 | <vsayikiran> | what is the channel name to discuss about openoffice issues |
07:39 | <wmt> | #gtfo |
07:39 | <wmt> | sorry |
07:39 | <wmt> | couldn't resist |
07:40 | <And1> | Heh. |
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07:40 | <gsimmons> | vsayikiran: #debian-oo or #openoffice.org on freenode. |
07:40 | <vsayikiran> | gsimmons: thanks |
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07:43 | <vsayikiran> | i am writing a word document in openoffice writer, i have added a header at the top of the page. I want to split the header such that i can write one text on left side and another on right side. I need help on how to split the header. |
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07:51 | <hever> | vsayikiran, use a table? |
07:52 | <vsayikiran> | hever: i have used 2 tab characters |
07:52 | <hever> | I uses tables because they provide better alignments |
07:53 | <wmt> | vi > oo |
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07:56 | <vsayikiran> | hever: so u need to insert tables inside the header |
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07:56 | <hever> | vsayikiran, yes |
07:57 | <vsayikiran> | hever: ok, but any way the 2 tab characters i inserted also works |
07:57 | <hever> | ok ;) |
07:57 | <vsayikiran> | hever: thanks |
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08:05 | <Fredk2> | Hello |
08:05 | <Fredk2> | I chose belgian keyboard during the netinstall. when the install is done i installed xfce4 |
08:06 | <Fredk2> | if i log me in xfce / the keyboard is in english |
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08:06 | <Fredk2> | how to fix it |
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08:20 | <Student> | Greetings ever one |
08:20 | <Student> | i am getting an error |
08:21 | <Guest1032> | hello :D |
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08:21 | <Student> | which is GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org etch Release: the following signature cound't be verified because the public key is not available |
08:21 | <Student> | what is this suppose to mean? |
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08:22 | <petemc> | !no public key |
08:22 | <dpkg> | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. The current key will be linked at http://ftp-master.debian.org/. |
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08:22 | <Guest1032> | IDENTIFY fish_kungfu |
08:23 | <Student> | well |
08:23 | <Student> | !etch key |
08:23 | <dpkg> | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update |
08:23 | <doktor> | hey i'm getting this error when i install debian or ubuntu http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/3491/1601091047ki7.jpg can anyone help? |
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08:25 | <miguel_> | i use the theme xfce-dusk, which is quite dark, but my problem is, that i have now sometimes white text on white background OR very dark text on black bakcground in my webbroswer (iceweasel) . any idea how to fix that? |
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08:25 | <amphi> | miguel_: the browser thing you can probably fix with a user css |
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08:26 | <miguel_> | thx |
08:26 | <Student> | thanx for the info petemc :)) |
08:26 | <Fredk2> | hello |
08:26 | <amphi> | miguel_: I did that for midori, using a dark theme |
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08:26 | <miguel_> | where do i get a user.css from? |
08:26 | <miguel_> | or i have to write it myself? |
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08:26 | <amphi> | miguel_: I wrote mine |
08:27 | <Fredk2> | i chose belgian keyboard during the netinstall / when the install is done the keyboard is in english why |
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08:28 | <miguel_> | and the user.css comes as LAST? so it overrides all other stylesheet settings? |
08:29 | <amphi> | miguel_: http://paste.debian.net/40464/ has the relevant bits of mine |
08:29 | <miguel_> | ty! |
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08:30 | <amphi> | miguel_: right; unless they use !important, or have inline font colors and so on |
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08:32 | <Fredk2> | i chose belgian keyboard during the netinstall / when the install is done the keyboard is in english why |
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08:33 | <amphi> | miguel_: http://picpaste.com/pics/ss-2009-06-28-13_31.1246192331.png shows a page using my css |
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08:33 | <miguel_> | thats cool |
08:33 | <Fredk2> | how to choose xfce during the netinstall |
08:33 | <miguel_> | i just do not know hwere to place my css |
08:34 | <miguel_> | but i guess that is different for every browser |
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08:34 | <amphi> | miguel_: I'm not sure with iceweasel |
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08:34 | <miguel_> | ya, im trying to find out |
08:34 | <amphi> | mozilla.org faq or some such will sat |
08:35 | <amphi> | *say |
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08:41 | <debianowns> | hi, i have a problem with the vesa/nv driver, after i install xorg and gnome or w/e and i try to startx i my screen distorts/freezes, as you can see here: http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/3491/1601091047ki7.jpg i have to do a hard restart, any ideas? |
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08:42 | <locklace> | nice |
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08:43 | <locklace> | debianowns: that happens even with the vesa driver? are you sure vesa is selected? what kind of card is this? |
08:45 | <debianowns> | nvidia geforce fx 5200, i've tried other distros too, same problem |
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08:48 | <cahoot> | nv does no better than vesa? |
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08:51 | <debianowns> | nope, it doesnt |
08:51 | <debianowns> | i had the same problem on debian etch and decided not to install it, now that lenny is out (stable) i tried again, but no luck |
08:52 | <locklace> | debianowns: feel free to answer the other questions, instead of just picking one |
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08:52 | <locklace> | debianowns: what kind of display are you using |
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08:52 | <locklace> | debianowns: at least one guy wasn't able to get either nv or vesa to work with his weird display, so he's using nouveau. maybe give that a try. |
08:54 | <debianowns> | thanks, i'll try it |
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08:55 | <locklace> | people who ask for help while simultaneously refusing to provide information about their system even when explicitly asked should be drawn and quartered |
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08:57 | <boris_> | lol! |
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09:33 | <ml|> | drakeman: lol |
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09:34 | <Student> | what is the package name of BitchX? |
09:34 | <locklace> | !bitchx |
09:34 | <dpkg> | BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>. Abandoned by upstream, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373. |
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09:36 | <Student> | !literal bitchxignore |
09:36 | <dpkg> | "bitchxignore" is ""/ignore -regexp -pattern (BitchX|BX) QUITS"" |
09:36 | <Student> | !irssi |
09:36 | <dpkg> | [irssi] the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . See also http://irssi.org/documentation/faq . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi on open.ircnet.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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09:44 | <nostradamus1971> | hello, can somebody please explain me shortly what "mount" means? |
09:44 | <nostradamus1971> | i can not watch some dvdś because it says it is not "unmount" |
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09:46 | <Nazcafan> | nostradamus1971: to mount is to incorporate a file system (e.g, in a usb stick, or a cdrom) into your global file system |
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09:46 | <Nazcafan> | nostradamus1971: so you can use it |
09:47 | <Nazcafan> | usually, you can use the mount command |
09:47 | <Nazcafan> | its syntax is: mount device location |
09:47 | <nostradamus1971> | ah, ok, but one dvd i cantwatch because i get an error message that it is unmount. so you mean when i install software i have to mount it? |
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09:47 | <nostradamus1971> | Nazcafan, ah, ok, but one dvd i cantwatch because i get an error message that it is unmount. so you mean when i install software i have to mount it? |
09:48 | <Nazcafan> | to mount what? |
09:49 | <nostradamus1971> | Nazcafan, iam not sure if i get it |
09:49 | <nostradamus1971> | Nazcafan, understand i mean |
09:49 | <Nazcafan> | nostradamus1971: usually, you don't need to mount a video DVD in order to watch it, |
09:49 | <nostradamus1971> | Nazcafan, hm, ok. then |
09:49 | <Nazcafan> | nostradamus1971: the player can access the device corresponding to the drive |
09:50 | <Nazcafan> | nostradamus1971: e.g: vlc /dev/hda if /dev/hda refers do your dvd drive |
09:50 | <nostradamus1971> | Nazcafan, the thing is, i can watch all other dvd's acceppt the one.. well, maybe some country issues |
09:51 | <nostradamus1971> | Nazcafan, xine, i am using |
09:51 | <nostradamus1971> | Nazcafan, btw, its excellent |
09:51 | <Nazcafan> | I don't know how to use it from the command line |
09:51 | <nostradamus1971> | Nazcafan, from the shell you mean? |
09:52 | <Nazcafan> | yes |
09:52 | <nostradamus1971> | Nazcafan, just type "xine" and thats it |
09:52 | <nostradamus1971> | maybe you have to install it first but you will see the message then |
09:52 | <Nazcafan> | I meant the command line OPTIONS to pass to xine so it directly plays whatever is in your drive |
09:53 | <ml|> | dpkg: tell Student about selftell |
09:53 | <nostradamus1971> | Nazcafan, oh, ok. |
09:53 | <nostradamus1971> | Nazcafan, do you have experiences with apache server? |
09:54 | <Nazcafan> | yes, I had sex with one, back in the 90's |
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09:54 | <ml|> | :0 |
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09:56 | <neilson> | ??? |
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09:58 | <Nazcafan> | nostradamus1971: as far as I am concerned, I profoundly dislike xine, or at least the gxine that is installed in my machine |
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09:58 | <Nazcafan> | just a small example, I made it segfault in like two clicks |
09:59 | <nostradamus1971> | Nazcafan, because? |
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10:00 | <Nazcafan> | what do you mean by "because" |
10:00 | <Nazcafan> | ? |
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10:01 | <Nazcafan> | If I tell you that I obtain a segmentation fault just by trying to quit the app, I am not sure that I will classify it as "heavily reliable" |
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10:09 | <stuckey> | How can I install another instance of debian onto a hard drive with logical volumes? |
10:09 | <nostradamus1971> | how can i create a script for a programm that i want to start automatickly |
10:09 | <nostradamus1971> | ? |
10:09 | <nostradamus1971> | or some automatic start |
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10:12 | <slush> | on boot time? |
10:13 | <nostradamus1971> | yes |
10:13 | <slush> | read /etc/init.d/README |
10:13 | <nostradamus1971> | yes, isaw it right now in my book as well.. thanks! |
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10:14 | <ml|> | nostradamus1971: use gnome? |
10:14 | <nostradamus1971> | crunchbang deb. |
10:15 | <ml|> | crunchbang is an ubuntu thing not debian |
10:15 | <stuckey> | Does anyone know if the installer has options for logical volumes which would allow one to create a logical volume to which debian could be installed to? |
10:15 | <gsimmons> | dpkg: crunchbang |
10:15 | <dpkg> | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution based on <Ubuntu>, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on Debian>. |
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10:17 | <ml|> | nostradamus1971: best to ask your questions in #ubuntu or crunchbang channel |
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10:18 | <Curan> | hi, is anybody (except me) tracking testing unable to print since yesterdays ghostscript update? |
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10:18 | <Curan> | I try to figure out, whether it's a grave problem or »just« an important one |
10:19 | <nostradamus1971> | ml|, i dont know how i can go there. or, how i can change to this irc |
10:20 | <stuckey> | ml|: you know anything about logical volumes? |
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10:21 | <ml|> | nostradamus1971: type /server irc.freenode.net then after you are connected type /join #ubuntu and/or #crunchbang |
10:21 | <ml|> | stuckey: no |
10:22 | <ml|> | Curan: works fine here |
10:22 | <nostradamus1971> | ml|, where i have to typed in? |
10:22 | <ml|> | where you are typing |
10:22 | <nostradamus1971> | here? |
10:22 | <nostradamus1971> | irc.freenode.net |
10:23 | <ml|> | yes but just like i showed you |
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10:24 | <xelar> | Hello :) |
10:24 | <Curan> | ml|: thanks... do you use CUPS? |
10:24 | <ml|> | yes |
10:25 | <xelar> | anyone here that has a clue where i can get a interface to auto load a up |
10:25 | <xelar> | been trying to editing the /etc/network/interfaces |
10:26 | <xelar> | but i dont want to set a ip on it because its beeing used by a vmware computer |
10:26 | <xelar> | that gets net as soon as i type ifconfig eth0 up |
10:27 | <bremner> | No |
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10:27 | <bremner> | It shouldn't |
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10:29 | <bremner> | Are you running dhclient on that interface? |
10:29 | <xelar> | nope |
10:29 | <xelar> | runing a fresh bacis setup of debian |
10:29 | <xelar> | and then vmware |
10:30 | <xelar> | with 2 network card installed |
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10:30 | <xelar> | 1 for lan and 1 for inet |
10:30 | <xelar> | and router is runing in vmware |
10:30 | <bremner> | Paste interfaces? |
10:30 | <xelar> | the thing is that it wont auth with the ISP before i run a ifconfig eth0 |
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10:31 | <xelar> | # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system |
10:31 | <xelar> | # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5). |
10:31 | <xelar> | # The loopback network interface |
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10:31 | <xelar> | auto lo |
10:31 | <xelar> | iface lo inet loopback |
10:31 | <xelar> | # The primary network interface |
10:31 | <xelar> | #allow-hotplug eth0 |
10:31 | <xelar> | #iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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10:31 | <xelar> | ops |
10:31 | <ml|> | dpkg: tell xelar about pastebin |
10:32 | <bremner> | You do have eth0 as dhcp |
10:33 | <xelar> | its dhcp runing on eth0 |
10:33 | <bremner> | Maybe use manual instead. |
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10:33 | <xelar> | hmm |
10:33 | <gsimmons> | stuckey: (re d-i LVM configuration) See section 6.3.2.4 of the Installation Guide. |
10:34 | <bremner> | Oh well do a proper paste xelar |
10:35 | <ml|> | dpkg: tell stuckey about lvm |
10:35 | <xelar> | http://paste.debian.net/40472/ |
10:35 | <stuckey> | gsimmons: I don't see a 6.3.2.4 on the amd64 guide |
10:35 | <ml|> | stuckey: and/or try asking in thier channel |
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10:36 | <xelar> | did try to use |
10:36 | <xelar> | auto eth0 |
10:36 | <xelar> | iface eth0 |
10:37 | <xelar> | in that file but , didnt help much to get it started |
10:37 | <gsimmons> | stuckey: It's there, WRT Lenny. |
10:37 | <xelar> | I guese i will just make a script and put it in the bootup to run that command |
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10:37 | <toupeira> | hi |
10:38 | <toupeira> | I've got a 85-second delay when booting from a raid1, is this normal? |
10:38 | <toupeira> | see http://pastie.org/527143, the SATA disks are all recognized before the RAID initialises |
10:38 | <stuckey> | gsimmons: okay so it says it can reduce and create lvs |
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10:44 | <bremner> | xelar: I think a manual interface , not static not dhcp is what you want |
10:44 | * | slush nods |
10:45 | <slush> | xelar: see also: man interfaces |
10:45 | <gsimmons> | stuckey: The guide doesn't state LV reduction, only their creation and deletion. |
10:45 | <stuckey> | gsimmons: okay |
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11:03 | <ActionpackedPIVII> | hi |
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11:03 | <ActionpackedPIVII> | can anyone help me installing compiz-fusion on my debian ? |
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11:06 | <b52laptop> | hi |
11:06 | <ActionpackedPIVII> | hi |
11:06 | <ActionpackedPIVII> | Can you help me install compiz-fusion on debian ? |
11:06 | <b52laptop> | my vista broke my grub install ; i have booted debian in rescue mode ; but when i try to grub-installer /dev/sda i got the error wrong number of args |
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11:08 | <cahoot> | wrong number of channels too |
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11:09 | <b52laptop> | ! |
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11:11 | <ml|> | dpkg: tell b52laptop about dual boot guide |
11:11 | <ml|> | dpkg: tell b52laptop about fixmbr |
11:12 | <b52laptop> | ml|, thanks |
11:13 | <ml|> | dpkg: tell b52laptop about rescue mode |
11:14 | <ml|> | b52laptop: np hope that helps |
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11:15 | <ml|> | dpkg: tell b52laptop about install guide |
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11:17 | <eupator> | Hello people! |
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11:20 | <crackers> | hi, i have a problem choosing iso for install. |
11:20 | <crackers> | i have a "amd ahtlon xp 2600 +" 32 bit processor |
11:20 | <weasel> | you want the i386 image |
11:20 | <crackers> | need i386? |
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11:21 | <crackers> | i can dl i386, for install on 32 bit processor ? |
11:22 | <eupator> | crackers, or 686 |
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11:22 | <Kjetil_> | i386 will work on any x86 newer than a 386 |
11:22 | <weasel> | crackers: yes. get the i386 image. |
11:22 | <eupator> | crackers, it will work! |
11:22 | <crackers> | thank you, really. |
11:22 | <crackers> | just an other question |
11:23 | <crackers> | OpenSsh is inclued ? |
11:26 | <eupator> | crackers, don't know about open, but ssh you can install via apt. |
11:27 | <crackers> | kk |
11:27 | <crackers> | ty |
11:27 | <crackers> | good afternoon |
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11:28 | <jeromeg> | hello |
11:28 | <jeromeg> | I have a problem with video on debian testing |
11:29 | <jeromeg> | vlc displays in black and white, and the image is small and missdisplayed |
11:29 | <jeromeg> | mplayer does not display anything |
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11:39 | <Fredke> | Hello |
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11:40 | <Fredke> | I installed debian lenny. I choose "belgian keyboard". When i want to log me in Gdm, the keyboard is in qwerty? why? |
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11:43 | <nesuno2> | Hi! I'm trying to install slapd (+samba) to lenny, but when I try to use ldapmodify it says error: unable to open /etc/sasldb2 No such file. How can I create it? |
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11:48 | <nesuno2> | slapd uses sasl to authenticate? |
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11:49 | <Fredke> | how to change default layout in Gdm. I want to use Belgian or not qwerty |
11:50 | <Fredke> | I chose belgian keyboard during the install. Gdm uses Qwerty or not Belgian Keyboard, why? |
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12:29 | <steevie> | hi |
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13:03 | <smokinherb> | wazup |
13:04 | <smokinherb> | index.php to capture user names an passwords for website visitors |
13:06 | <cahoot> | try #php? |
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13:06 | <cahoot> | (if that even was a question) |
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13:11 | <aljazeera> | debian 502 will be up soon? |
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13:25 | <cwood_> | Good afternoon. Has anybody else been having TLS troubles with msmtp or similar after June 23? |
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13:32 | <sundaymorning> | hello, I'm trying to understand the .deb package a little better. How do I make sure that a source file that I've got with apt-get source package already have all debian patches applied? |
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13:34 | <cwood_> | sundaymorning, you could perhaps grab all the patches yourself, manually apply them to the original file and then diff the two trees? |
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13:43 | <valdyn> | sundaymorning: the patching is part of the build process for a debian package, the build needs to fail if patching fails |
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13:43 | <Tobiaske> | Hello |
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13:44 | <Tobiaske> | I installed Lenny in english / keyboard belgian / why does the keyboard is in qwerty in xfce |
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13:44 | <Tobiaske> | i choose belgian keyboard during the install |
13:46 | <melkart> | the link for the netinst CD-image for lenny is broken |
13:46 | <melkart> | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable |
13:46 | <dr|z3d> | Tobiaske: irc://irc.freenode.net/xfce might be useful. |
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13:47 | <cahoot> | Tobiaske: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
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13:49 | <ubuntu> | !lilo |
13:49 | <dpkg> | lilo is probably the LInux LOader, and the head of staff of irc.freenode.net (who isn't named after the LInux LOader) |
13:49 | -!- | ubuntu is now known as stuckey |
13:51 | <stuckey> | I just installed debian onto a logical volume, and the installer installed Lilo (i've never seen it do this before), and now I don't get grub anymore when I boot. And worse, the machine fails to boot, it just gives some erros about missing file systems. |
13:51 | <stuckey> | Why did it install lilo? |
13:51 | <stuckey> | Did I just hose the system? |
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13:52 | <cwood_> | stuckey, you can reinstall grub as the boot loader. |
13:52 | <stuckey> | cwood_: how do I do that? |
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13:52 | <southernc> | when i use the command mail and try to delete a message i get mail: Cannot create lockfile /var/mail/southernc.lock: Error creating temporary lockfile |
13:53 | <southernc> | any ideas how to fix |
13:53 | <stuckey> | southernc: df -h |
13:53 | <southernc> | i forget what i did last time |
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13:53 | <cwood_> | stuckey: start by making sure that grub is installed, then remove lilo. Read the grub and grub-install man pages for more detail on how to install grub as your boot loader. |
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13:53 | <stuckey> | cwood_: yeah but I can't boot the system |
13:54 | <Tobiaske> | re |
13:54 | <southernc> | the problem is /var/mail isnt read write ? |
13:54 | <southernc> | or in this cas /var/mail |
13:54 | <stuckey> | Why did the installer install lilo? It never installs that. |
13:54 | <cwood_> | stuckey: Boot with your install cd or repair cd, perhaps? Or make yourself a grub boot disk and use the grub command line to manually boot. Once you're booted you can fix it. |
13:54 | <k6orj> | Anyone know how to configure wpa_supplicant? |
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13:54 | <stuckey> | cwood_: Yeah I'm on the machine right now with a live cd |
13:55 | <Tobiaske> | i installed lenny in english with belgian keyboard / when i log me to xfce / the keyboard is in qwerty why |
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13:55 | <cwood_> | stuckey: So you can use this to make a grub cd or grub floppy, and there you go. |
13:56 | <stuckey> | cwood_: I need a grub cd? |
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13:56 | <cwood_> | stuckey, I mean that to boot into your installed system you need a boot loader, and one way to get that is to use grub from a cdrom or floppy. |
13:57 | <Tobiaske> | why does xorg.com is empty after an install |
13:57 | <Tobiaske> | conf |
13:57 | <stuckey> | cwood_: it boots to the lilo loader thing |
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13:57 | <cwood_> | stuckey: you can type something to set a manual boot command in lilo. |
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13:57 | <ml|> | dpkg: tell stuckey about lilo->grub |
13:58 | <stuckey> | ml|: not quite that far yet |
13:58 | <stuckey> | cwood_: I've never seen lilo before; how do I do this? |
13:59 | <Tobiaske> | nobody cant help me |
13:59 | <Tobiaske> | i think its a bug |
13:59 | <k6orj> | Need help with wpa_supplicant? |
13:59 | <cwood_> | stuckey: you can read about how in the lilo man page, which will explain better than I. |
13:59 | * | stuckey is allergic to manuals. |
14:00 | <Tobiaske> | if you choose belgian keyboard during the install / the layout in xfce is in qwerty |
14:00 | <cwood_> | stuckey: If your current environment doesn't have lilo, you can mount your hard disk and do: man /path/to/lilo.8.gz |
14:00 | <stuckey> | I thought i'd just use google. |
14:00 | <cwood_> | If you don't want to read manuals, you may not get as far with Debian as you want. |
14:00 | <k6orj> | So true! |
14:01 | <ml|> | stuckey: try in rescue mode what dpkg told you |
14:01 | <stuckey> | ml|: what's resuce mode? |
14:01 | <adb> | dpkg: tell stuckey about grounding |
14:01 | <Tobiaske> | why xorg.conf is empty by default after a lenny install |
14:02 | <ml|> | stuckey: you don't see that when booting? and option for rescue mode |
14:02 | <stuckey> | ml|: when booting from the cd? |
14:02 | <ml|> | no your system |
14:03 | <stuckey> | ml|: I don't have grub anymore. The fucking installer installed some lilo shit that doesn't work. Now my whole system is as good as hosed. |
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14:03 | <cwood_> | It's just a boot loader. Your system is as hosed as if an Apache install went wrong. Your path to recovery is to boot using another available boot loader (like the installed lilo or a grub boot disk) and then fix things per what dpkg said. |
14:04 | <k6orj> | it is not hosed just need to pug grub back in! This is not Winblows you have control! |
14:04 | <k6orj> | pug = put |
14:04 | <ml|> | dpkg: tell stuckey about fixmbr |
14:04 | <ml|> | stuckey: try that |
14:05 | <cwood_> | If you don't want to spend the time to learn how to use the available boot loaders (lilo and grub), that is not a software issue. Still, if you can reproduce the install issue it will be worth filing a bug. Installs shouldn't leave systems unbootable. |
14:05 | * | angasule can't wait for svn to work again on testing... |
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14:07 | <k6orj> | I think he clicked the box telling the installer not to load on the MBR? |
14:08 | <k6orj> | That would break it! |
14:09 | <k6orj> | Easy to fix though. |
14:09 | <stuckey> | When it says /dev/harddiskdevice, it means /boot? |
14:09 | <stuckey> | ml|: " |
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14:10 | <k6orj> | Where does it say that? |
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14:11 | <stuckey> | dpkg: tell k6orj about lilo->grub |
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14:13 | <adb> | dpkg: tell stuckey about trolling |
14:13 | <k6orj> | Ok yes now I see what you are saying. |
14:13 | <ml|> | adb: hah |
14:13 | <ml|> | stuckey: thought you said you could not boot into system |
14:13 | <stuckey> | ml|: I did. |
14:14 | <adb> | !lvm |
14:14 | <dpkg> | somebody said lvm was the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
14:14 | <adb> | stuckey: ^^^ |
14:14 | <stuckey> | adb: ? |
14:14 | <ml|> | then why are you tryimg to do that |
14:14 | <stuckey> | ml|: trying to do what? |
14:14 | <adb> | stuckey: read all those docs |
14:14 | <ml|> | lilo-.grub guide |
14:14 | <ml|> | lilo->grub guide |
14:15 | <stuckey> | Well how am I supposed to fix the system? |
14:15 | <ml|> | adb: i have told he about that several times now |
14:15 | <ml|> | *him |
14:15 | <ml|> | dpkg: tell stuckey about fixmbr |
14:15 | <dr|z3d> | stuckey: superbrub |
14:15 | <dr|z3d> | *supergrub |
14:15 | <dr|z3d> | !fgi supergrub |
14:15 | <ml|> | try with that |
14:15 | <stuckey> | dr|z3d: so I should use this one instead? |
14:16 | <adb> | ml|: no, it depends , if /boot is in VLM boot is done by lilo ... |
14:16 | <dr|z3d> | stuckey: Entirely up to you. Supergrub is probably easier. |
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14:16 | <ml|> | adb: ok, i'm just trying to help |
14:16 | <adb> | not him ... |
14:16 | <k6orj> | Anybody get there wifi netowking working with "wpa"? |
14:16 | <stuckey> | dr|z3d: I have two root filesystems. Which one do I mount? |
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14:17 | <stuckey> | !wpa |
14:17 | <dpkg> | rumour has it, wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Lenny's Debian Installer does not support WPA. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
14:17 | <stuckey> | k6orj: read all of this. |
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14:19 | <ml|> | stuckey: since you keep trying to use lvm why don't you take the time to read docs howtos etc... |
14:19 | <ml|> | ah, he left |
14:20 | <adb> | troll is gone . |
14:20 | <k6orj> | Tnx will try that. everytime I un-coment "/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf" in "interfaces" it locks up the internet. reading the manuals in debian no help. |
14:20 | <ml|> | adb: forgot he was doing the lvm thing |
14:20 | <dr|z3d> | I'm sure stuckey just fuxors his system so he gets to hang in here. |
14:21 | <adb> | no worry , it's ok |
14:21 | * | dr|z3d chuckles. |
14:21 | <ml|> | heh waht a way to learn, go thru alot of pain for nothing whe reading docs is much easier |
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14:27 | <nostradamus1971> | aloha, can somebody please explain me me i can create this fili? #!/bin/sh |
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14:28 | <stuckey> | I cannot chroot into my root file system; it says it doesn't exist. |
14:28 | <stuckey> | "No such file or directory" |
14:28 | <yareg> | connect irc://irc.djsounds4u.net/viparea |
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14:28 | <stuckey> | I was running "chroot /dev/mapper/debian-root" (which was displayed on the screen when I hit tab" |
14:30 | <stuckey> | Anyone? |
14:30 | <bremner> | stuckey: Isn't that a block device? |
14:30 | <llutz> | stuckey: man mount |
14:30 | <stuckey> | bremner: I don't know, is it? |
14:30 | <stuckey> | Just tell me what I'm doing wrong |
14:31 | <dr|z3d> | stuckey: Using Debian. Ubuntu would be much safer. :) |
14:31 | <stuckey> | I doubt it |
14:31 | <dr|z3d> | You're probably right. You seem to have an uncanny knack of fucking things over. |
14:31 | * | dr|z3d winks. |
14:31 | <stuckey> | I didn't write the installer. |
14:31 | <azeem_> | stuckey: what are you trying to do? |
14:32 | <azeem_> | are you running chroot manually? |
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14:32 | <stuckey> | azeem_: Made a new logical volume, installed on to it, the installer installed lilo, i rebooted, system wouldn't boot, it said something about couldn't find file systems, so I joined here to ask for help |
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14:35 | <dr|z3d> | stuckey: If you run supergrub and opt for an automatic repair, what happens? |
14:35 | <azeem> | stuckey: how far did it boot? |
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14:35 | <frederic> | re |
14:36 | <stuckey> | azeem: it goes to lilo |
14:36 | <azeem> | and then? |
14:36 | <stuckey> | dr|z3d: run supergrub? |
14:36 | <azeem> | lilo doesn't know about file systems |
14:36 | <stuckey> | azeem: says it can't find file systems |
14:36 | <azeem> | what is "it"? |
14:36 | <frederic> | i installed lenny with usb boot in english with a belgian keyboard |
14:36 | <stuckey> | azeem: it says something about stuff not being found, and then I just have a weird prompt |
14:36 | <azeem> | how much text do you get after lilo executes the boot? |
14:36 | <stuckey> | azeem: a little |
14:36 | <stuckey> | azeem: then I get a prompt with () around it |
14:36 | <azeem> | stuckey: so it's not lilo, d'oh |
14:36 | <azeem> | what prompt? |
14:36 | <frederic> | when the installation is done / xfce layout is in qwerty why |
14:37 | <dr|z3d> | stuckey: supergrub has an automode to fix situations like yours. It won't hurt to run it, and might just help. |
14:37 | <stuckey> | azeem: It says lilo is (doing something) to linux |
14:37 | <azeem> | dr|z3d: but grub doesn't grok lvm |
14:37 | <stuckey> | grok? |
14:37 | <azeem> | stuckey: please come up with the exact next time |
14:37 | <dr|z3d> | azeem: Ah. I thought it might. My bad. |
14:37 | <stuckey> | azeem: the line I have after it stops working? |
14:37 | <azeem> | grub2 does, not sure whether that is being used |
14:37 | <azeem> | stuckey: as much text as possible |
14:37 | <frederic> | why nobody cant help me its a bug |
14:37 | <stuckey> | azeem: this will take a minute, okay? |
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14:39 | <dr|z3d> | "Take 10" |
14:39 | * | dr|z3d smirks. |
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14:45 | <stuckey> | azeem-work: Lilo 22.8 Loading Linux.... / Bio data check sucessfull / mount: mounting /dev/root on /root failed: No such directory / (initramfs) |
14:46 | <stuckey> | azeem: it's the (initramfs) which is the command prompt I have. |
14:46 | <azeem> | right, so Linux booted |
14:47 | <stuckey> | Does that make this easier/quicker to fix? |
14:47 | <azeem> | just not successfully |
14:47 | <azeem> | stuckey: is that the stock kernel? |
14:47 | <stuckey> | azeem: yes |
14:47 | <azeem> | mount /dev/root on /root looks weird |
14:47 | <ciurlionis> | |
14:47 | <ciurlionis> | It is a wonderful operating system |
14:47 | <ciurlionis> | yhx |
14:47 | <ciurlionis> | thx* |
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14:48 | <stuckey> | azeem: I have two root filesystems; one is /dev/mapper/debian-root |
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14:49 | <azeem> | two? |
14:49 | <stuckey> | azeem: I was planning to dual-boot with sid |
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14:49 | <azeem> | so...? |
14:50 | <stuckey> | What should I do? |
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14:51 | <stuckey> | azeem: do I download a grub cd and boot from it? |
14:51 | <stuckey> | azeem: how do I fix this? |
14:52 | <azeem> | stuckey: I don't have time now |
14:52 | <azeem> | stuckey: did you encrypt the root partition? |
14:52 | <stuckey> | azeem: no |
14:53 | <azeem> | well then, no idea; try to figure out why it cannot load it |
14:53 | <stuckey> | azeem: Why is it using Lilo? |
14:53 | <azeem> | because grub cannot deal with / on lvm |
14:53 | <stuckey> | azeem: so if I've two /root's then I have to use lilo? |
14:53 | <azeem> | what do you mean with two root? |
14:54 | <stuckey> | azeem: I installed another root file system... |
14:54 | <azeem> | how? |
14:54 | <stuckey> | azeem: with the installer |
14:54 | <stuckey> | azeem: I made another logical volume, and installed lenny to it |
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14:54 | <azeem> | during the same installer run? |
14:55 | <stuckey> | azeem: no, i already had lenny installed |
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14:56 | <Tobiaske> | I installed lenny in english with a belgian keybord. The installation is done. When i log me in xfce.. the keyboard layout is in qwerty, is there a bug? |
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14:57 | <azeem> | Tobiaske: did you install from the xfce cd? |
14:57 | <dr|z3d> | Tobiaske: Configure your local, fiddle around. It's fixable. |
14:57 | <dr|z3d> | *locale |
14:57 | <azeem> | or how did you install xfce? |
14:57 | <Tobiaske> | azeem, I installed the base system. After, i installed xfce (apt-get install xfce4) |
14:58 | <Tobiaske> | azeem, i installed with the usb method |
14:58 | <stuckey> | azeem: So am I just going to have to reinstall the whole system? |
14:59 | <Tobiaske> | dr|z3d, en_US.UTF-8. I only want the keyboard in be by default |
14:59 | <Tobiaske> | Is there a bug,? |
15:00 | <dr|z3d> | Tobiaske: Whether it's a bug or a failing, I've seen that before. It's fixable. You just need to poke around in Xfce's settings. |
15:00 | <azeem> | stuckey: dunno, if you can't figure out the problem, maybe |
15:00 | <azeem> | stuckey: use a seperate non-lvm /boot partition this time |
15:00 | <stuckey> | azeem: I can't figure out the problem. I have no clue why this is |
15:00 | <stuckey> | azeem: i have a seperate non-lvm /boot partition |
15:01 | <stuckey> | it's /dev/sda |
15:01 | <dr|z3d> | stuckey: If you've got /home on another partition, you'll save yourself a lot of hassle. Just a thought. |
15:01 | <Tobiaske> | dr|z3d, if i install gdm, the problem is the same |
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15:01 | <azeem> | stuckey: /dev/sda is a disk, not a partition |
15:01 | <Tobiaske> | i think it's a bug |
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15:01 | <h657865785> | hello. i'm looking for something to test the stability of my gpu |
15:01 | <dr|z3d> | Regardless, it's fixable. If only you care to poke around. |
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15:02 | <adb> | !locales |
15:02 | <dpkg> | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors> |
15:03 | <h657865785> | does that make sense? |
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15:03 | <stuckey> | Would someone here please help me get my system to boot again? |
15:03 | <adb> | Tobiaske^^ |
15:03 | <h657865785> | not sure what that would be called |
15:03 | <h657865785> | stuckey: state your problem |
15:03 | <stuckey> | I just get some lilo shit and an error that says "mount: mounting /dev/root on /root failed: No such directory" |
15:03 | <Tobiaske> | i'll try |
15:03 | <Tobiaske> | thank you for you help |
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15:03 | <stuckey> | I set up a dual-boot, with two logical volumes, each with lenny, and now I get thist |
15:03 | <azeem> | stuckey: 20:58 < azeem> stuckey: /dev/sda is a disk, not a partition |
15:03 | <h657865785> | stuckey: did your system ever boot? |
15:03 | <stuckey> | h657865785: yes |
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15:04 | <stuckey> | h657865785: before I installed another lenny onto my new logical volume |
15:04 | <h657865785> | ANOTHER lenny? |
15:04 | <stuckey> | h657865785: the installer installed "lilo" and when i rebooted it didn't work |
15:04 | <stuckey> | h657865785: yes, I'm creating a dual-boot setup |
15:04 | <h657865785> | with two installs of lenny? |
15:04 | <stuckey> | h657865785: yes |
15:04 | <h657865785> | :/ |
15:04 | <h657865785> | okie |
15:05 | <h657865785> | cant he just install grub and have it detect the installed OSes? |
15:05 | <stuckey> | h657865785: how do I do this? |
15:05 | <h657865785> | yeah. good question |
15:05 | <h657865785> | got any cd's lying around? |
15:05 | <azeem> | h657865785: the second lenny is on a / lvm |
15:05 | <azeem> | grub can't handle that |
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15:06 | <azeem> | stuckey: do you have a boot menu to boot your old lenny? |
15:06 | <h657865785> | azeem: what so you mean? |
15:06 | <h657865785> | *do |
15:06 | <h657865785> | i have lenny on a lvm |
15:06 | <azeem> | h657865785: on your root partition? |
15:07 | <h657865785> | yeah |
15:07 | <azeem> | including your boot partition? |
15:07 | <h657865785> | wait |
15:07 | <h657865785> | yeah. no. hdx2 |
15:07 | <h657865785> | oops. why did you do that? |
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15:08 | <h657865785> | so boot a live cd. resize your partition. create one for grub. then install grub |
15:08 | <h657865785> | then grub should be able to handle it. |
15:08 | <azeem> | presumably, he has a working grub on his old lenny install |
15:08 | <h657865785> | thought they were on the same disk? |
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15:08 | <azeem> | I hope not |
15:08 | <frederic> | re |
15:08 | <h657865785> | indeed |
15:08 | <frederic> | azeem, the problem is the same |
15:09 | <h657865785> | stuckey: is this all on one disk? |
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15:09 | <frederic> | azeem, i did dpkg-reconfigure locales. If i reboot the computer, xfce is always in english |
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15:10 | <azeem> | frederic: xfce or the keyboard layout? |
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15:10 | <frederic> | is there a bug or not. If i choose belgian keyboard during the install.. Xfce must be in belgian, no? |
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15:10 | <frederic> | azeem, i want to use Debian in english and the keyboard in belgian |
15:10 | <southernc> | anyone know why i can send email to username@www.myserver.com but not username@myserver.com using imap and postfix |
15:11 | <azeem> | frederic: maybe xfce does not support that; I really don't know, sorry |
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15:11 | <adb> | frederic: setxkbmap be |
15:11 | <frederic> | adb, i already use it.. if i reboot, qwerty is used again |
15:11 | <southernc> | i keep getting it bounced back with relaying denied |
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15:12 | <frederic> | adb, i alsa try to install gnome and the layout in gdm was in english |
15:12 | <adb> | frederic: set it in xorg.cof use some examlpes from google |
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15:12 | <slush> | southernc: set correct mydestination in /etc/postfix/main.cf |
15:12 | <frederic> | adb, xorg.conf is empty by default |
15:13 | <adb> | set it |
15:13 | <adb> | use some examlpes from google |
15:13 | <noflash> | frederic, have you asked in #xfce on freenode ? |
15:13 | <frederic> | adb, i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
15:13 | <simNIX> | Im new to Fedora - I installed it - now want to add isc-dhcpd - but if I search dhcp in gnome I only find isc-dhcp client and a gui to configure the isc-server, not the isc-serveR ? |
15:14 | <frederic> | noflash, xfce says "you must ask here" |
15:14 | <slush> | simNIX: is this #fedora? |
15:14 | <noflash> | heh |
15:14 | <simNIX> | what is isc-dhcpd package calle on f11 ? |
15:14 | <simNIX> | may bad |
15:14 | <adb> | frederic: not more this command in lenny |
15:14 | <simNIX> | should sleep more |
15:14 | <simNIX> | pls disregard |
15:14 | <FourtyTruth> | does someone know if i can configure alsamixer to put the volume limite higher? |
15:14 | <stuckey> | azeem: what do you mean, a boot menu to the old lenny? |
15:14 | <southernc> | mydestination = example.com, www.example.com, localhost.example.com, localhost |
15:14 | <frederic> | i think it's a bug because xorg.conf is empty after the install |
15:14 | <southernc> | it already is |
15:15 | <frederic> | !mumble |
15:15 | <azeem> | stuckey: a boot menu, where you can select both entries |
15:15 | <frederic> | Is mumble available in etch? |
15:15 | <adb> | !search |
15:15 | <dpkg> | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
15:15 | <stuckey> | azeem: no, it goes straight to lilo 22.8 loading linux .... |
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15:15 | <adb> | frederic: ^^ |
15:16 | <azeem> | stuckey: maybe hitting some key will make it show up |
15:16 | <frederic> | see you |
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15:16 | <adb> | frederic: xorg.conf is almost empty by default in lenny , X now is automatic |
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15:17 | <adb> | but we can custom it as we need |
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15:18 | <adb> | mdr |
15:19 | <stuckey> | azeem: which? |
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15:19 | <azeem> | stuckey: no idea, google it |
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15:19 | <azeem> | I don't use lilo |
15:19 | <azeem> | stuckey: otherwise, try to re-activate your old grub by booting from a live cd |
15:19 | <azeem> | and then teach it how to boot the new install, if possile |
15:19 | <azeem> | possible* |
15:20 | <azeem> | (maybe by copying over the kernel or just munging the configuration to point to the new root |
15:20 | <azeem> | ) |
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15:31 | <stuckey> | I just installed lenny onto a logical volume and now I can't boot anymore; I just see "lilo 22.8 loading linux... " and then some other stuff and then it stops. |
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15:32 | <jclinton> | hi, i have the following /etc/apt/preferences file which is my first attempt at forbidding versions: http://pastebin.com/d33a20622 |
15:32 | <jclinton> | but it's not working; the versions i have specified are still showing up in apt-get upgrade -V. what am i doing wrong? |
15:33 | <stuckey> | Could someone please tell me how I could restore my system? |
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15:34 | <jclinton> | stuckey, try again using grub this time; might have better luck |
15:34 | <stuckey> | jclinton: how do I do this? |
15:34 | <jclinton> | stuckey, when it asks you: lilo or grub, choose the default, grub |
15:34 | <stuckey> | jclinton: it didn't give me a choice |
15:35 | <stuckey> | It just did it |
15:35 | <jclinton> | stuckey, try a fresh install |
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15:35 | <jclinton> | stuckey, also, you can try expert mode which is on the boot menu when you start the installer |
15:36 | <jclinton> | stuckey, it asks more questions |
15:36 | <stuckey> | Could I use a live grub cd to install grub? |
15:36 | <stuckey> | Someone said something about that but I'm not sure how it would work. |
15:36 | <jclinton> | stuckey, no, you're not knowledgeable enough to do that |
15:37 | <stuckey> | damn |
15:37 | <stuckey> | so I'm just supposed to toy-around with the installer? |
15:37 | <ml|> | stuckey: you need to docs howtos on lvm normal fixes will not work for you |
15:37 | <ml|> | *read |
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15:37 | <jclinton> | or just reinstall, as i said, with grub |
15:38 | <ml|> | dpkg: tell stuckey about lvm |
15:38 | <stuckey> | jclinton: I'm telling you it doesn't give me the option; it just installs lilo. |
15:38 | <jclinton> | stuckey, and i just told you to do it in expert mode and it will |
15:38 | <stuckey> | ml|: what about this whole chroot in the root filesystem stuff? |
15:38 | <stuckey> | jclinton: it will? |
15:38 | <jclinton> | stuckey, too hard |
15:38 | <jclinton> | stuckey, yes |
15:38 | <stuckey> | jclinton: how do you konw? |
15:38 | <jclinton> | stuckey, re: chroot or installer? |
15:38 | <stuckey> | chroot |
15:39 | <jclinton> | stuckey, the kinds of questions you are asking |
15:39 | <ml|> | stuckey: no about lvm it worls different apperantly, never used it my self gl |
15:39 | <ml|> | works* |
15:39 | <stuckey> | ml|: maybe I have to mount it first before trying to chroot into it. |
15:40 | <stuckey> | jclinton: okay thanks, I'll try to do the isntall again |
15:40 | <stuckey> | jclinton: you know this is a logical volume, right? |
15:40 | <jclinton> | stuckey, yes, lilo is deprecated |
15:40 | <stuckey> | deprecated? |
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15:40 | <jclinton> | stuckey, it likely selected lilo because it found an existing lilo installation |
15:40 | <cdlu> | jclinton, which is a shame. it was so much simpler. :) |
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15:41 | <jclinton> | cdlu, grub and grub2 are quite nice |
15:41 | <stuckey> | jclinton: okay so If I do an expert install, on the logical volume I just installed lenny to, I'll get grub and it will work? |
15:41 | <ml|> | dpkg: tell stuckey about deprecated |
15:41 | <cdlu> | I'm not sold on them |
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15:41 | <jclinton> | stuckey, for the third time, use the expert install mode to force grub |
15:41 | <stuckey> | jclinton: okay i'll test it now |
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15:42 | <nesuno2> | Hi! I try LDAP+PAM. But when I try to ssh ldapuser@localhost, auth.log says "Failed password for user ldapuser". |
15:42 | <azeem> | jclinton: are you sure grub1 will work with an lvm on / and /boot? |
15:42 | <vook> | I hope stucky isn't reinstalling to get grub |
15:42 | <azeem> | oh stuckey left |
15:43 | <nesuno2> | When I type a bad password, I get "Invalid credentials" too, so pam known that the pw is correct or not. |
15:43 | <nesuno2> | knows |
15:43 | <vook> | chase the wild geese! |
15:43 | <jclinton> | azeem: if he is not using guided and he gets to the grub step with /boot on lvm, it will fail gracefully |
15:44 | <jclinton> | otoh, he should also get offered grub2 which does support lvm /boot |
15:44 | <nesuno2> | How can I login with ssh in the name of an ldapuser? |
15:44 | <azeem> | for lenny? |
15:45 | <nesuno2> | Yes! |
15:45 | <nesuno2> | I try to follow http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/PAM. |
15:45 | <azeem> | nesuno2: I meant jclinton |
15:45 | <jclinton> | nesuno2, ldap and linux is extremely painful to configure |
15:45 | <jclinton> | nesuno2, did you also configure NSS? |
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15:46 | <nesuno2> | Yes, it's working. |
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15:46 | <jclinton> | nesuno2, so `getend passwd` returns LDAP users? |
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15:46 | <jclinton> | nesuno2, err `getent passwd` |
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15:47 | <nesuno2> | Yes, it gives me ldapuser. |
15:47 | <nesuno2> | I can chown to it. |
15:47 | <jclinton> | nesuno2, can you su to it using `su - username` ? |
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15:48 | <nesuno2> | Wow, works. |
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15:48 | <nesuno2> | I tried su from a non root account. |
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15:49 | <jclinton> | nesuno2, are you sure you did the proper unix password and PAM steps? |
15:49 | <jclinton> | nesuno2, your LDAP db may not have the right password data |
15:49 | <jclinton> | nesuno2, it sounds like you are close |
15:49 | <nesuno2> | But when I su from a normal acc, and type the good password, I get authentication failure. |
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15:50 | <jclinton> | nesuno2, i recommend getting SSH working with that user first since any errors will output to the console |
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15:50 | <nesuno2> | But when I type a bad password, I get invalid credentials too. |
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15:50 | <jclinton> | nesuno2, so it sounds like PAM isn't right yet |
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15:50 | <nesuno2> | Yes. Maybe some config under /etc/pam.d is not correct. |
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15:51 | <nesuno2> | I modifyed common-* as in the howto. |
15:51 | <jclinton> | its fairly likely that you do not have a proper unix password in LDAP for that user |
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15:51 | <somae7> | I tried installing debian netinst on a computer that uses a cable modem and it's unable to find it - |
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15:52 | <jclinton> | somae7, USB or Ethernet? |
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15:52 | <somae7> | usb |
15:52 | <stuckey> | jclinton: that didn't work |
15:52 | <jclinton> | somae7, never use the USB on a cable modem |
15:52 | <stuckey> | there isn't an option to use grub |
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15:52 | <jclinton> | stuckey, that was an amazingly fast install |
15:52 | <stuckey> | jclinton: it only gives me the option of using lilo. |
15:52 | <stuckey> | jclinton: It's a fast computer |
15:53 | <stuckey> | jclinton: and the install of the basic-system failed as well |
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15:53 | <jclinton> | stuckey, are you using the guided partitioner? or doing it manually? |
15:53 | <stuckey> | jclinton: naturally I have to do it manually |
15:53 | <somae7> | we don't have an eternet card at the moment |
15:53 | <jclinton> | somae7, then it will not work |
15:53 | <stuckey> | jclinton: I have another LV with data on it. |
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15:54 | <stuckey> | I can't just re-install with guided partitioning. |
15:54 | <jclinton> | stuckey, if you do it manually, you should create a 200mb /boot partition in addition to your / partition which is on LVM |
15:54 | <nesuno2> | jclinton: But when I type good pw, I get only Failure, but when I type a bad pw, I get Invalid credential message too. So I think the password goes to PAM from LDAP, but my /etc/pam.d/common-* config fails in the end. |
15:54 | <stuckey> | I spent hours getting up this fucking LV because I thought I could dual-boot into sid with it. |
15:54 | <jclinton> | stuckey, /boot should be outside LVM |
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15:54 | <somae7> | jclinton: will it work after the install? |
15:54 | <stuckey> | jclinton: it is |
15:54 | <stuckey> | jclinton: but using guided will kill everything else, won't it? |
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15:55 | <jclinton> | stuckey, we appear to be having a miscommunicatoin; re-read what i wrote |
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15:55 | <jclinton> | somae7, no |
15:55 | <stuckey> | jclinton: I've read everything you've written |
15:55 | <jclinton> | somae7, you must use Ethernet |
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15:55 | <somae7> | ok - thanks |
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15:55 | <jclinton> | nesuno2, keep working on it, you're close, i think |
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15:56 | <stuckey> | jclinton: you can't use the guided partitioner to create a /boot; doing that would kill my lvm--- right? |
15:56 | <jclinton> | nesuno2, try setting the LDAP password with `passwd` as root |
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15:56 | <jclinton> | stuckey, at no point did i tell you to use the guided partitioner |
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15:56 | <stuckey> | jclinton: sorry I'm getting tired, I've been trying to fix this for hours. |
15:56 | <stuckey> | jclinton: So I need to erase and then remake the /boot partition? |
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15:57 | <stuckey> | jclinton: and then re install the lv? |
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15:57 | <jclinton> | stuckey, create the /boot you need using the manual partitioner outside of the LVM and put your / inside your LVM |
15:57 | <jclinton> | stuckey, you can do both inside the manual partitioner |
15:57 | <stuckey> | jclinton: "put my / inside my lvm"? Could you be more specific please? |
15:58 | <nesuno2> | jclinton: passwd: User not known to the underlying authentication module |
15:58 | <stuckey> | jclinton: The drive is full... I've got two lv's, one I just made and the other will all my shit on it. |
15:58 | <jclinton> | stuckey, how much of your drive is a PV? |
15:58 | <nesuno2> | jclinton: passwd: password unchanged |
15:58 | <stuckey> | jclinton: all of it except 256MB for /boot |
15:58 | <jclinton> | nesuno2, so fix that first and then i think login will work |
15:58 | <stuckey> | jclinton: well that's also a physical volume (/boot) |
15:59 | <jclinton> | stuckey, arg, don't mix terms... a PV in LVM terms is the underlying partition that it uses for allocation |
15:59 | <nesuno2> | jclinton: auth log says: |
15:59 | <jclinton> | stuckey, is /boot a LV on a PV on LVM? |
15:59 | <nesuno2> | jclinton: passwd[13652]: pam_unix(passwd:chauthtok): user "user3" does not exist in /etc/passwd |
15:59 | <nesuno2> | s/user3/ldapuser |
15:59 | <stuckey> | jclinton: /boot is a physical voume |
15:59 | <jclinton> | nesuno2, so your common isn't right |
16:00 | <jclinton> | nesuno2, or you need ldappasswd which is rare; i don't know which |
16:00 | <jclinton> | stuckey, as in /dev/sda1? |
16:00 | <stuckey> | jclinton: exactly |
16:00 | <azeem> | you said /dev/sda earlier |
16:00 | <jclinton> | stuckey, and there is no other linux distribution installed? |
16:00 | <nesuno2> | jclinton: Yes, but I don't know what to write here. I tried to assemble the files from http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/PAM |
16:00 | <stuckey> | jclinton: just two instances of debian lenny |
16:00 | <azeem> | jclinton: it's the boot of an earlier lenny install I guess |
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16:00 | <jclinton> | nesuno2, i can't help you any further |
16:01 | <stuckey> | Was, I suppose this lilo shit has overwritten it. |
16:01 | <jclinton> | stuckey, you cannot share the /boot partition between two installations |
16:01 | <jclinton> | stuckey, or, you can but its a very very bad idea |
16:01 | <jclinton> | stuckey, you need exactly one for each |
16:01 | <stuckey> | jclinton: is that why it made me use lilo? |
16:02 | <jclinton> | stuckey, i'm guessing, though i cannot be sure |
16:02 | <stuckey> | jclinton: okay so screw this whole dual boot thing; I'll just delete the other logical volume; how do i get my system back? |
16:02 | <jclinton> | stuckey, it likely put your /boot inside your LVM in an attempt to avoid erasing your existing /dev/sda1 |
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16:03 | <jclinton> | stuckey, well, if your lenny installation is missing from the LILO menu, that's a bad sign |
16:03 | <nesuno2> | jclinton: Thx this, I continuing google for these errors:) |
16:03 | <stuckey> | jclinton: I don't get a lilo menu |
16:03 | <stuckey> | jclinton: before I had grub |
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16:03 | <jclinton> | stuckey, at this point you should attempt to rescue your lenny install using the installer's rescue mode |
16:04 | <stuckey> | jclinton: how exactly? |
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16:04 | <jclinton> | stuckey, if indeed it was using grub, you can do the chroot steps mentioned before |
16:04 | <jclinton> | stuckey, it's going from lilo to grub via chroot that would have been too hard |
16:04 | <stuckey> | jclinton: I tried using "chroot /dev/mapper/debian-root" but it said No such directory |
16:04 | <jclinton> | stuckey, boot rescue mode and it will give you a menu of found debian installations |
16:04 | <stuckey> | jclinton: I didn't see this menu |
16:05 | <jclinton> | stuckey, then it's probably been deleted |
16:05 | <stuckey> | jclinton: but the files are still there; I haven't lost them. |
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16:05 | <jclinton> | stuckey, are you sure? |
16:05 | <stuckey> | jclinton: I don't see how it could ahve |
16:05 | <stuckey> | jclinton: The debian-root is in it's own LV |
16:06 | <jclinton> | stuckey, did you resize the existing install destructively? |
16:06 | <stuckey> | jclinton: no |
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16:06 | <stuckey> | jclinton: I spent a lot of time trying to correctly make another Logical volume |
16:06 | <stuckey> | because I thought it would let me install another instance of lenny onto it, so that I could test something with sid. But apparently that isn't possible. |
16:06 | <stuckey> | so take note |
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16:07 | <simNIX> | to backup ... |
16:07 | <simNIX> | :( |
16:07 | <jclinton> | stuckey, oh, no, it's quite possible if you know what you're doing |
16:07 | <stuckey> | jclinton: Really? |
16:07 | <jclinton> | stuckey, oh yes |
16:07 | <stuckey> | jclinton: Man, I wish you were all those times I asked about this in this channel. |
16:07 | <stuckey> | jclinton: Care to tell me where I went wrong? |
16:07 | <jclinton> | stuckey, my best guess would be that you destroyed your working installation during the LVM resize step |
16:08 | <jclinton> | stuckey, it's hard to be certain though |
16:08 | <stuckey> | jclinton: anyway to test this? |
16:08 | <jclinton> | stuckey, try rescue again and attempt to manually mount your original install using mount /dev/mapper/whatever to /target |
16:08 | <stuckey> | jclinton: I do that after I go through all the menus and it gives me the little prompt? |
16:08 | <jclinton> | stuckey, then continue with the rescue steps, chroot, etc using /target as the chroot directory |
16:08 | <jclinton> | stuckey, yes |
16:09 | <stuckey> | jclinton: and if I get it, I can install grub? |
16:09 | <jclinton> | stuckey, yes, likely... |
16:09 | <stuckey> | jclinton: and if not? |
16:09 | <jclinton> | stuckey, unless you destroyed /dev/sda1 |
16:10 | <jclinton> | stuckey, if you cannot install grub, you can use rescue mode to copy your data to a USB disk or similar |
16:10 | <jclinton> | stuckey, and then reinstall fresh |
16:10 | <stuckey> | jclinton: I've a lot of data; this could take a while ;) |
16:10 | <jclinton> | stuckey, yes, at this point i would strongly consider not wasting any more time on the bootloader and just start recovery immediately |
16:11 | <stuckey> | jclinton: okay so I boot into recovery mode and try the chroot |
16:11 | <ml|> | stuckey: i would backup data right now incase things go wrong somewhere |
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16:12 | <stuckey> | ml|: I'm out of backup space; you have 160GB you could loan me? |
16:12 | <jclinton> | stuckey, chroot only after successfully finding and mounting your LV to /target |
16:12 | <locklace> | heh. i knew when this started three weeks ago that it would end in tears |
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16:12 | <jclinton> | stuckey, that is mandatory since the rescue mode cannot seem to find your original install |
16:12 | <locklace> | kind of surprised it took this long for stuckey to hose his system, actually |
16:12 | <ml|> | stuckey: you should always have a backup! |
16:12 | <jclinton> | stuckey, but like i said, it's looking pretty bleak at this point |
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16:13 | <stuckey> | jclinton: what do you mean, after sucessfully finding and mounting the lv to target? |
16:13 | <stuckey> | which lv? which target? |
16:13 | <ml|> | locklace: hah |
16:13 | <jclinton> | stuckey, something like `mount -t ext3 /dev/mapper/debian-root /target` |
16:13 | <stuckey> | Is there a way I could mount an LV with this live cd to get data off it? |
16:14 | <jclinton> | stuckey, that is the command i just gave you |
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16:15 | <stuckey> | mount: special device /dev/mapper/debian-root does not exist |
16:15 | <jclinton> | stuckey, i don't know what you called your LV; i made that up |
16:15 | <jclinton> | stuckey, you should know or figure it out |
16:15 | <locklace> | stuckey is like the linux user equivalent of tar baby |
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16:16 | <jclinton> | stuckey, the lvm command can probably help you find it if it's still there |
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16:17 | <stuckey> | debian 1 3 0 wz--n- 595.93G 0 |
16:17 | <stuckey> | I see that |
16:17 | <jclinton> | stuckey, looks promising |
16:17 | <locklace> | and jclinton is only the latest in the long line of br'er rabbits |
16:18 | <jclinton> | stuckey, look in /dev/mapper for *debian* |
16:18 | <stuckey> | jclinton: got it; the LV lives |
16:18 | <jclinton> | stuckey, so at this point see if your data is still alive |
16:18 | <stuckey> | jclinton: it's all there |
16:19 | <jclinton> | stuckey, and give the chroot command a test: chroot /target |
16:19 | <stuckey> | jclinton: chroot where? |
16:19 | <jclinton> | stuckey, ........... |
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16:19 | <ml|> | locklace: jclinton doesn't know so not his fault |
16:19 | <jclinton> | stuckey, where did you *JUST* mount it |
16:19 | <stuckey> | I mounted it to /media/disk |
16:19 | <jclinton> | stuckey, fine, whatever... do this: |
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16:20 | <jclinton> | stuckey, mount -t proc non /media/disk/proc |
16:20 | <stuckey> | jclinton: sudo chroot /media/disk/ |
16:20 | <jclinton> | stuckey, mount -o bind /dev /media/disk/dev |
16:20 | <jclinton> | stuckey, mount -t sysfs none /media/disk/sys |
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16:20 | <jclinton> | stuckey, chroot /media/disk |
16:20 | <jclinton> | stuckey, source /etc/profile |
16:21 | <jclinton> | stuckey, grub-install |
16:21 | <locklace> | ml|: we should probably put a warning in the topic |
16:21 | <stuckey> | jclinton: install_device not specified. |
16:21 | <jclinton> | stuckey, grub-install /dev/sda |
16:21 | <ml|> | locklace: hah |
16:21 | <stuckey> | Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub |
16:22 | <jclinton> | stuckey, eh, sorry, type `exit` |
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16:22 | <jclinton> | stuckey, now do `mount /dev/sda1 /media/disk/boot` |
16:22 | <jclinton> | stuckey, then chroot again |
16:22 | <jclinton> | stuckey, then grub-install again |
16:22 | <stuckey> | jclinton: but it's still searching/doing something |
16:22 | <jclinton> | stuckey, just do it |
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16:22 | <jclinton> | stuckey, careful not to make any typos |
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16:23 | <ml|> | !beer jclinton |
16:23 | * | dpkg deftly decants a fine Delirium Tremens for jclinton |
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16:24 | <stuckey> | Installation finished. No error reported. |
16:24 | <slg> | hello all someone got experience with virtualbox? need some help, get an error running red faction 1 .... "File C: |
16:24 | <jclinton> | stuckey, exit out twice |
16:25 | <stuckey> | okay |
16:25 | <jclinton> | stuckey, and you should be able to reboot |
16:25 | <stuckey> | jclinton: it's fixed? |
16:25 | <jclinton> | stuckey, possibly |
16:25 | <jclinton> | stuckey, if so, it will boot |
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16:25 | <stuckey> | if not, i'll come back :) |
16:25 | <bremner> | terminator |
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16:25 | <locklace> | the tar baby always comes back |
16:25 | <slg> | File C:\Projects\RF_PC\vsdk\directx\gr_direct3d.cpp - line: 1885 |
16:26 | <slg> | any idea ? |
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16:26 | <locklace> | slg: great question |
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16:27 | <stuckey> | !congratulate jclinton |
16:27 | <dpkg> | Hugs & Puppies jclinton, you did it! |
16:27 | <ml|> | slg: try in #vbox on irc.freenode.net |
16:27 | <azeem> | wow |
16:27 | <jclinton> | stuckey, now start backing up your data... you narrowly escaped |
16:27 | <azeem> | jclinton: \o/ |
16:28 | * | stuckey begins searching for a new hard drive. |
16:28 | <slg> | ok thanks, ill have a look |
16:28 | <ml|> | stuckey: is lucky |
16:28 | <adb> | ml|: nor for long ... |
16:28 | <adb> | not* |
16:29 | <ml|> | adb: hah |
16:29 | <locklace> | ml|: this only delays the inevitable |
16:29 | <stuckey> | I'll figure out a way to hose it again pretty soon... |
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16:29 | <ml|> | lol this funny |
16:29 | <adb> | ml|: seen ? ... |
16:29 | <ml|> | even he is saying it |
16:30 | <adb> | heh |
16:31 | <ml|> | maybe stuckey wouldn't be in this mess if read some docs howtos etc... |
16:31 | <stuckey> | ml|: hey, I did the lv correctly. |
16:31 | <stuckey> | I think the problem was that I didn't add a seperate /boot for the new os. |
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16:31 | <ml|> | then why are having problems? |
16:31 | <ml|> | *you |
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16:32 | <stuckey> | ml|: Well I'm not anymore, thanks to clinton |
16:32 | <ml|> | well not untill you have a backup |
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16:33 | <stuckey> | I'm buying a new western digitial right now, i'm on ebay |
16:33 | <ml|> | stuckey: anyways glad things worked out for you, just seems stuff like this happens to you often |
16:33 | <aljazeera> | is it safe to buy hdd on ebay? |
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16:34 | <ColOfNature> | anyone know how i get apt-get to show suggestions for already-installed packages? |
16:34 | <adb> | ml|: now, he will ask about ... backups , seems not yet |
16:34 | <stuckey> | ml|: I'm sure if you looked at it in terms of how much time I spend on a computer/ "accidents" I have, the ratio would be under that of the average computer user. |
16:34 | <craigevil> | aljazeera: if the seller has good feebback usually yes |
16:34 | <dr|z3d> | ColOfNature: apt-cache show recommends or somesuch. man apt-cache |
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16:35 | <craigevil> | apt-cache show package sill list depends and recommends/suggets |
16:35 | <craigevil> | s/sill/will |
16:35 | <ml|> | ColOfNature: you can do this in aptitude ncurses |
16:35 | <dr|z3d> | apt-cache show depends <package> |
16:35 | <nesuno2> | jclinton: Just for the completeness: I left the original pam_unix.so line in common-auth where it is 'required'; but it must be 'sufficient' as in the manual.:) Now it's working, with auto-created home dirs! :))) |
16:35 | <ml|> | and aptitude show too |
16:36 | <ColOfNature> | cheers folks, i'll give those a try |
16:36 | <jclinton> | nesuno2, congrats |
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16:38 | <ml|> | adb: i would think stuckey can do that by now |
16:38 | <adb> | guessing ... |
16:39 | <ml|> | but you might be right since he has no backups atm |
16:39 | <ml|> | *you |
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16:44 | <silas> | quien habla español? |
16:44 | <ml|> | !es |
16:44 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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16:52 | <frederic> | Hello |
16:52 | <frederic> | i can't solve the problem |
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16:55 | <locklace> | frederic: stand by. one of our professional mind-readers is performing a remote synchronization with your brainwaves even now to intuit the symptoms, nature and root cause of your problem. |
16:55 | <bzed> | !help frederic |
16:56 | <ml|> | locklace: lol he was here before |
16:56 | <frederic> | i think it's a bug |
16:56 | <ml|> | frederic: explain your prombel again |
16:56 | <ml|> | *problem |
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16:57 | <frederic> | I installed Debian lenny in english with usb boot. When the installation was finished, i want to log me with eg: gdm and the keyboard layout is in english |
16:58 | <ml|> | frederic: and explain what you have tried thus far |
16:58 | <frederic> | i want to use the operating system in english and the keyboard in Belgian |
16:58 | <frederic> | or not in qwerty |
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16:59 | <frederic> | is it a bug or not? |
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17:00 | <bzed> | no |
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17:01 | <locklace> | frederic: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch08.en.html#_specific_locale_only_under_x_window |
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17:02 | <locklace> | and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch08.en.html#_the_keyboard_input |
17:03 | <ml|> | hah, he left right before you pasted those links |
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17:18 | <dr|z3d> | Note to self: Should have been apt-cache depends <packagename> |grep Rec |
17:20 | <ml|> | aptitude show packagename works also |
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17:35 | <jclinton> | anybody see what i am doing wrong? http://pastebin.com/d33a20622 |
17:35 | <jclinton> | first attempt at forbidding package versions |
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17:36 | <craigevil> | !tell jclinton about pinning |
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17:37 | <jclinton> | craigevil, yea, but why isn't it working |
17:37 | <ColOfNature> | in apt-cache showpkg, under dependencies, does a version (0 (null)) mean a suggested package? |
17:37 | <jclinton> | craigevil, obviously, having created the preferences file, i know what it is |
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17:43 | <kapil> | jclinton: apt-cache policy <pkgname> may offer some hints. |
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17:44 | <knoppix_> | hashim |
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17:45 | <jclinton> | kapil, interesting! |
17:45 | <Guest1073> | my name's |
17:45 | <Guest1073> | yes |
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17:47 | <ml|> | jclinton: or try aptitude forbid-version app-name=version# |
17:47 | <jclinton> | ml|, aptitude won't work in amd64 at the moment |
17:47 | <jclinton> | ml|, apparently goswin is working or thinking of working on a patch |
17:48 | <jclinton> | (which is incidentally why i am looking at manually touching preferences for the first time) |
17:48 | <ml|> | jclinton: oh didn't know that, when did this happen? |
17:48 | <stuckey> | jclinton: so what I need to do, to make the dual-boot work, is to install another /boot ? |
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17:49 | <jclinton> | ml|, eglibc transition + making ia32-apt-get mandatory at the same time |
17:49 | <jclinton> | ml|, like, a day or two ago |
17:49 | <jclinton> | stuckey, yea |
17:49 | <ml|> | oh hopefully they fix that soon |
17:49 | <stuckey> | jclinton: I need a physical /boot? |
17:49 | <jclinton> | stuckey, yea, one for each install |
17:49 | <stuckey> | jclinton: shit, I don't have any room left anymore |
17:50 | <bottron> | cough |
17:50 | <stuckey> | Could I split my 256mb /boot into two? |
17:50 | <jclinton> | stuckey, not easily |
17:51 | <jclinton> | stuckey, you could perhaps resize your sda2 lvm but that's probably too hard |
17:51 | <ml|> | stuckey: usually you only need at most 100mb for /boot for future reference |
17:52 | <ColOfNature> | in apt-cache showpkg, under dependencies, does a version (0 (null)) mean a suggested package? |
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17:52 | <adb> | jclinton: may ask goswin. he's talking now in #d-dev |
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17:52 | <jclinton> | adb, ty |
17:53 | <adb> | np |
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17:53 | <jclinton> | stuckey, there's an alternative which would actually be easier |
17:53 | <stuckey> | jclinton: yes? |
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17:54 | <adb> | stuckey: use USB stick as boot/ device |
17:54 | <jclinton> | stuckey, you could install using the testing installer AFTER you install grub to /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/sda |
17:54 | <jclinton> | stuckey, testing has grub2 which can work with LVM without a dedicated /boot, last i checked |
17:55 | <jclinton> | stuckey, so you could install directly to a new LV with only one partition: / |
17:55 | <jclinton> | stuckey, grub2 would get installed to /dev/sda and point to /dev/sda1 to get back in to your stable install |
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17:55 | <jclinton> | (as well as providing you your testing menu options) |
17:56 | <stuckey> | What's the size of a typical debian install? 8G |
17:56 | <stuckey> | G |
17:56 | <stuckey> | ? |
17:56 | <adb> | 4 |
17:56 | <stuckey> | only four? |
17:56 | <ml|> | 2gb here |
17:56 | <adb> | 2 also |
17:56 | <ColOfNature> | stuckey: i'm running a virtual machine, without x, under1G |
17:57 | <ml|> | actually 2.4gb |
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17:57 | <adb> | for newbees say 5 .. |
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17:58 | <adb> | 4.9G 4.6G 50M 99% / |
17:58 | <ml|> | adb: yes 5-8gb |
17:58 | * | adb newbees |
17:59 | <ml|> | not only newbees if you have alot of stuff installed like two de's etc |
17:59 | * | adb BUT separate home/ .. |
18:00 | <ml|> | just depends on how much or little you want to install |
18:00 | <stuckey> | Okay |
18:00 | <adb> | /sda2 36G 34G 390M 99% /home |
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18:05 | <aljazeera> | new vfat patch http://lwn.net/Articles/338941/ |
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18:44 | <enouf> | vfat patent? wt4x? |
18:44 | <enouf> | what fool would patent that POFS FSType :-P |
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19:00 | <humanoid2050> | is anyone else having issues with the default gnome shared folder manager? it seems to have suddenly died on my systems. |
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19:22 | <MacWinLin> | Hi to all :) |
19:22 | <|_cls_|> | hi |
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19:24 | <MacWinLin> | Can I ask a question? |
19:24 | <|_cls_|> | its just to fire away i think |
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19:24 | <EmleyMoor> | Permission not required - as long as it's relevant |
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19:27 | <MacWinLin> | Here's who is from Russia? |
19:27 | <dr|z3d> | !ru |
19:27 | <dpkg> | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
19:27 | <noflash> | MacWinLin, that'd be off topic |
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19:27 | <|_cls_|> | !no |
19:27 | <dpkg> | No Offense |
19:28 | <|_cls_|> | !norwegian |
19:28 | <dpkg> | hmm... norwegian is the language spoken in Norway, or better than swedish, or better then danish |
19:28 | <|_cls_|> | nice |
19:28 | <MacWinLin> | Thanks :) |
19:28 | <humanoid2050> | i have a topical question. i am running debian squeeze, fresh install, and file sharing does not work |
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19:28 | <humanoid2050> | the gnome folder sharing assistant loses its settings as soon as it closes |
19:29 | <humanoid2050> | did something change recently? it used to work |
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19:30 | <humanoid2050> | correction... im running lenny, the stable distro |
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19:31 | <enouf> | humanoid2050: no idea; /msg dpkg gnome ; try gconf2-tool or something like gnome-control-center ; or System : Preferences or Administration? (i don't use gnome) and /msg dpkg BTS |
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19:32 | <ml|> | humanoid2050: try in #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
19:32 | <enouf> | humanoid2050: you do have waht "/msg dpkg security" tells you? |
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19:32 | <adb> | what protocol use gnome share ? |
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19:33 | <ml|> | samba or nfs? |
19:33 | <enouf> | probably something to do with gvfs? |
19:33 | <adb> | both ? |
19:33 | <enouf> | !gvfs |
19:33 | <enouf> | !listvals gvfs |
19:33 | <adb> | !gfs |
19:33 | <dpkg> | Factoid search of 'gvfs' by value returned no results. |
19:33 | <dpkg> | gfs is, like, The Global File System (GFS): it allows multiple Linux machines to share storage devices over a network. See http://www.redhat.com/software/rha/gfs/ or http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_File_System |
19:33 | <enouf> | oh |
19:33 | <humanoid2050> | i am using samba as installed by default |
19:33 | <enouf> | adb: no , not that |
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19:35 | <enouf> | dpkg: gfs is also , or "Google FS" |
19:35 | <dpkg> | okay, enouf |
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20:42 | <Slurb> | after 2 days unreal tournament works flawlessly |
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20:57 | <interbird> | i want to remove pulse-audio, synaptic shows the pulse-stuff it want removed, but also wants to install other 'new' pulse-stuff in the same action (?) |
20:58 | <interbird> | s/but/but it / |
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21:07 | <Slurb> | thats because some programs use pulse |
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21:09 | <craigevil> | easier to just disable it, on gnome select alsa for for all options in /system/preferences/sound |
21:09 | <Slurb> | and if you're worried about the 32bit compat it will go away without the server |
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21:14 | <enouf> | dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base? lsof | grep pulse and kill all those PIDs/apps nicely? |
21:15 | <enouf> | doen't pulse require/use/ride-on-top of ALSA? |
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21:18 | <Slurb> | i think hes talking about a alsa pulse wrapper like alsa-oss |
21:18 | <Slurb> | yes pulse runs ontop of alsa |
21:18 | <Slurb> | well moreso merges with alsa |
21:19 | <Slurb> | alsa is a driver pulse is a software |
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21:21 | <enouf> | i have alsa-oss, and no pulse |
21:21 | <enouf> | there's also aoss? i dunno |
21:21 | <craigevil> | libasound2-plugins has the pulse alsa plugin |
21:22 | <interbird> | craigevil: I have two sound icons, one activates my "old alsa" and the other activates the dialog i don't want; actually i'm not sure it is pluse-audio; but i have two icons for sound-stuff, one in the notification-area, which was not there before, and activates a useless dialog, and the normal sound-applet with when i chose preferences shows the same useless dialog |
21:22 | <enouf> | interbird: what does aptitude -s purge pulse-audio tell you? |
21:23 | <enouf> | interbird: and aptitude why pulse-audio |
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21:24 | <enouf> | interbird: i wonder if you use -R with aptitude, it might help (-R == without Recommends) |
21:24 | <interbird> | enouf: it wants to remove a lot of stuff, also an xfce icon-theme... |
21:25 | <Slurb> | interbird what version of debian |
21:26 | <craigevil> | why the hell would xfce packages be tied to pulse? sounds like something *buntu would do |
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21:27 | <Slurb> | maybe old packages that needed removed or hes running unstable |
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21:28 | <interbird> | Slurb: guilty, it's squeeze with xserver-video-intel upgraded to sid and a broken totem; so i know i am at fault with mixing stuff, so it's actually not a problem of any debian branch, just a prob i have because i upgraded xserver selectivly to sid to overcome the x-hang on intel i85x |
21:29 | <Slurb> | all i was gonna say is i have hosed an unstable system listening to apt-get or aptitude |
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21:31 | <Slurb> | if kde-full gets removed from purging any file from the default kde-full package apt wants to hose all of kde thats not held by another program |
21:31 | <Slurb> | i havent run squeeze but if its anything like sid its a nightmare |
21:32 | <interbird> | enouf: thanks for you replies, but i guess i have a bit of a broken system since i mixed some squeeze and sid packages; thx |
21:32 | <Slurb> | see if lenny backports has what you need |
21:32 | <craigevil> | Slurb: thats why you dont install the big metapackages, without them sid is fine |
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21:33 | <Slurb> | i just wanted to see what sid had to offer |
21:33 | <Slurb> | i like my lenny |
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21:34 | <enouf> | Slurb: a) lenny backports isn't meant for Squeeze and b) you can /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
21:34 | <enouf> | to get around your massive removal issues |
21:34 | <Slurb> | that was only with sid |
21:34 | <Slurb> | i have lenny now |
21:35 | <Slurb> | and i was stating that so maybe he could run stable and still get around the hang issue |
21:35 | <Slurb> | if its in lenny-backports |
21:36 | <Slurb> | what i would have liked to learn is how to control the depends part of it |
21:36 | <craigevil> | simple you disable recommends/suggests |
21:37 | <Slurb> | then you can break packages? |
21:37 | <craigevil> | Slurb: i havent in 5 yrs of running sid |
21:37 | <craigevil> | worse thing to was kde4 :) |
21:37 | <Slurb> | i wanted to force an install of a package that apt said causes other packages to be broken |
21:38 | <Slurb> | i wanted wine on sid |
21:38 | <Slurb> | couldnt manage it |
21:38 | <craigevil> | usually you just have to wait a day or two until the depends issus are fixed |
21:38 | <craigevil> | its usually something like -data being a different version |
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21:39 | <craigevil> | openoffice, pidgin, wesnoth tend to have that happen almost every time they get upgraded |
21:39 | <Slurb> | yes because a file is put in a different place so another program wont find it |
21:40 | <snogglethorpe> | I think the main thing with running sid is to relax |
21:40 | <Slurb> | ill just wait fore sid to be stable |
21:40 | <Slurb> | lots of things are incomplete in sid |
21:41 | <craigevil> | snogglethorpe: yep if something doesnt want to install or weird stuff wants to be removed you just wait, apt-listbugs helps as well |
21:41 | <Slurb> | well things that i use |
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21:41 | <snogglethorpe> | I think aptitude does a good job of holding stuff back if you know how to tickle it when it gets too remove happy |
21:42 | <snogglethorpe> | hoepfully all the work Daniel's doing on the conflict resolution algos right now will make all that automatic |
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21:42 | <craigevil> | ive always used apt-get |
21:43 | <Slurb> | apt-get aptitude synaptic its all apt |
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21:45 | <interbird> | i noted the packages that were upgraded when i changed sources.list to (sid) to upgrade xserver--intel to the sid-version; if i uninstall them and reset my sources.list to squeeze and reinstall these packages, will that "reset" my system to what it was ? |
21:45 | <Slurb> | ther is one sid package i want and the developer has a webside with a deb binary but the link is down at berlios.de |
21:46 | <craigevil> | !downgrade |
21:46 | <dpkg> | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
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21:47 | <interbird> | !partial downgrade |
21:47 | <dpkg> | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' |
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21:49 | <interbird> | !sdn |
21:49 | <dpkg> | hmm... snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
21:50 | <interbird> | thx |
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21:58 | <Co_X> | dear all... i had install debial at home, dual OS with windows, then at debian i found that there is NTFS at the drive.. but i cannot open it |
21:58 | <Co_X> | how to mount NTFS? |
21:59 | <Co_X> | usually i just neet to doubleclick on the NTFS drive and it open.... |
21:59 | <interbird> | Co_X: are you using a gui like gnome? is there an icon representing the ntfs-partition ? |
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22:02 | <Co_X> | interbird: fresh install gui using gnome... i just click the computer icon on the desktop, and there was 21Gyb drive appear as my NTFS windows drive... but i cannot open it... |
22:03 | <interbird> | it could be the ntfs file-system is "dirty"; you'll have to recover that with windows or, (more dangerous), with the ntfs-tools/utils |
22:03 | <interbird> | can you open a root terminal Co_X ? |
22:04 | <fortlock> | Co_X |
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22:05 | <fortlock> | you need to install ntfs-3g |
22:06 | <fortlock> | before you can mount the ntfs drive |
22:06 | <interbird> | Co_X: can you open a terminal and become root ? |
22:07 | <fortlock> | and you will have to mount it manually each time or add entries to your fstab |
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22:07 | <fortlock> | and dont forget to create a mount point and point to the right partition of the disk when you mount it |
22:08 | <Co_X> | yes i can open terminal as root |
22:08 | <fortlock> | Co_X: aptitude install ntfs-3g |
22:08 | <Co_X> | fortlock... ntfs-3g.... i'll try it now.... |
22:08 | <Co_X> | wait.... |
22:08 | * | fortlock whistles elevator music |
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22:09 | <interbird> | does the command: fdisk -l | grep 7 show a line on hda or sda ? do you know on what partition the ntfs filesystem is ? |
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22:09 | <fortlock> | ^^indeed. you will need to know where and what the disk is before you could mount it. |
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22:10 | <Co_X> | interbird: at first partition.... i might be install the ntfs-3g withot knowing it before that make me able to open NTFS... |
22:10 | <Co_X> | i just fresh install it to new computer :-) |
22:10 | <fortlock> | ubuntu has it installed by default last time i ran it |
22:11 | <Co_X> | and.... the computer was at home... i'll learn the ntfs-3g now.... |
22:11 | <fortlock> | so Co_X. 'fdisk -l' |
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22:11 | <Co_X> | fortlock : i see... then when i use ubuntu it's no problem... i will done it when i arrive at home... the computer at home :-D |
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22:12 | <fortlock> | but how did i know you were using ubuntu? |
22:12 | <interbird> | Co_X: ntfs-3g is not needed to mount ntfs, only to write it; what i wanted to check is where your ntfs-partition is and mount it to /1 as read-only just to see if you can access it; ntfs-3g would have been the 2nd stage... |
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22:12 | <Co_X> | fortlock: i use all from ubuntu, debian, and more... i do interest to learn everything sir.... |
22:12 | <interbird> | (mkdir /1) |
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22:13 | <interbird> | fortlock will help you further in solving your ntfs problem |
22:14 | <fortlock> | prolly wont be here when you get home though. seeing as you are probably on the other side of the world as me |
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22:14 | <fortlock> | but google is your friend |
22:14 | <Co_X> | interbird : no hard feeling sir... but i just wanted to know how.. because the computer was at home |
22:15 | <interbird> | Co_X: fine, are you in a root terminal ? (#) |
22:15 | <Co_X> | yes interbird... i try it at my virtual machine, but there is no NTFS attached |
22:16 | <Co_X> | i learn about ntfs-3g now.... |
22:16 | <interbird> | Co_X: ubuntu, virtual machine, you make it not easy for me to get a picture of your problem; this is a Debian channel, by the way... |
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22:17 | <Co_X> | interbird... now i learn debian sir... :-) in my virtual machine at the office |
22:18 | <Co_X> | the problem was happen on fress install debian at my home... |
22:18 | <interbird> | and the ntfs problem is with debian in the virtual machine under ubuntu ? |
22:18 | <Co_X> | i just do not know about ntfs-3g before |
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22:18 | <mason_> | hello. |
22:18 | <Co_X> | interbird.. i do fresh install debian at home as secondary OS after windows |
22:18 | <interbird> | what is the virtual machine you use ? |
22:18 | <mason_> | how do i install adobe flash for the internet on debian? |
22:19 | <Co_X> | and i cannot mount NTFS drive at home... thats all |
22:19 | <k1lumin4t1> | hey |
22:19 | <k1lumin4t1> | what does the d means in this line? |
22:19 | <mason_> | like for the music and stuff. |
22:19 | <k1lumin4t1> | idA libmimelib4 |
22:19 | <craigevil> | mason_: backports or from dmm |
22:19 | <k1lumin4t1> | that's an aptitude serarch mime result |
22:19 | <mason_> | whats that mean? |
22:19 | <Co_X> | there is no problemo at debian with my virtual machine... i just learn ntfs-3g with it... :-) |
22:19 | <mason_> | im new to debian. |
22:19 | <craigevil> | !tell mason_ about Adobe Flash |
22:19 | <k1lumin4t1> | idA libmimelib4 - KDE mime library |
22:19 | <k1lumin4t1> | I -> installed |
22:19 | <k1lumin4t1> | A -> automatic |
22:20 | <k1lumin4t1> | but D ? |
22:20 | <fortlock> | no. what about P? |
22:20 | <k1lumin4t1> | P -> purged |
22:20 | <fortlock> | is that pending |
22:20 | <interbird> | mason_: enable non-free in synaptic (/etc/apt/sources.list) and search in it for flash. (or ask some of the aptitude seniors on some channel) |
22:20 | <fortlock> | oh |
22:21 | <mason_> | im still so confused. |
22:21 | <interbird> | flash is dying... <video> on html5 with Theora is growing |
22:21 | <mason_> | is there a command for the terminal to install. |
22:22 | <craigevil> | mason_: follow the directions at www.backports.org |
22:25 | <interbird> | Co_X: so, you can mount your ntfs data paritions now ? (ntfs data-partition to mount on a virtual debian install? two disk images ?) give me back my drivers' license... |
22:26 | <mason_> | okay awsome this helps but one thing i just cant find the command to install it via terminal. |
22:27 | <fortlock> | no wonder this guy is confused. drivers license? |
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22:27 | <interbird> | hehe :-) |
22:28 | <craigevil> | mason_: once you have backports set up , do aptitude update then aptitude -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree |
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22:30 | <interbird> | Co_X: what do you use as virtualization software ? |
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22:31 | <mason_> | when ever i try adding the line via sources.list it wont let me save it. |
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22:32 | <mason_> | says i dont got permissions |
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22:32 | <interbird> | are you root ? |
22:32 | <mason_> | yes. |
22:32 | <mason_> | my main account is root |
22:32 | <mason_> | wait |
22:32 | <mason_> | for username i should use root |
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22:32 | <interbird> | what does ls -la /etc/apt/sources.list say ? |
22:33 | <interbird> | what does whoami say ? |
22:34 | <mason_> | says root root then a number. |
22:34 | <mason_> | thats in root terminal though. |
22:34 | <mason_> | idk how to edit it via terminal only via text editor. |
22:35 | <interbird> | you have a (#) prompt in this "root" terminal ? |
22:35 | <interbird> | whoami says "root" ? |
22:35 | <interbird> | the number is 0 ? |
22:36 | <interbird> | wat do you use to edit sources.list ? |
22:36 | <interbird> | wordstar ? |
22:37 | <interbird> | (possible... -:-) |
22:38 | <mason_> | no i use the normal txt editor comes via with debian |
22:38 | <interbird> | like ? |
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22:38 | <interbird> | nano? |
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22:40 | <interbird> | are you root in the "session" / "terminal" where you started your editor to edit sources.list, and if so, do you know wat to change in that file ? |
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22:41 | <interbird> | sources.list is a file you don't want to "mess with"; aka, make typo's in it |
22:41 | <interbird> | you are sure you want to edit it ? |
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22:43 | <craigevil> | if he is running stable and wants adobe flash he has to edit it because it is not in stable |
22:44 | <interbird> | he's gone, i just noticed... (probably solved his problem... :-) |
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22:47 | <k1lumin4t1> | anybody experiencing problems with CD/DVD automount using Debian and kde 4.2? |
22:47 | <k1lumin4t1> | USB drives are automatically mounted through dolphin and device notifier plasmoid, but not CDs |
22:48 | <interbird> | hate midnight-commander is now (squeeze++) distributed with the internal-editor *off* and using nano with half-tabs on...; what nono decided that ? |
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22:48 | <k1lumin4t1> | it happened once that during an upgrade all of a sudden a CD that was inside the CD tray got automounted, and that happened casually when the mime-support package was being upgraded |
22:51 | <interbird> | i'm no kde user, but maybe it is somewhere in the preferences? to automount cd's? maybe deeper ? (dunno what the gconf equivalent for kde is...) |
22:52 | <adb> | k1lumin4t1: cat /etc/debian_version |
22:52 | <k1lumin4t1> | adb, squeeze |
22:53 | <adb> | aha |
22:53 | <adb> | !automount |
22:53 | <dpkg> | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman>, or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
22:54 | <k1lumin4t1> | adb, how can I ask dpkg about the kde automount thing? sorry |
22:55 | <interbird> | !kde automount |
22:55 | <adb> | !kde automount |
22:55 | <dpkg> | To automatically mount optical disks and USB keys under KDE, install kdebase-kio-plugins and add the needed users to the plugdev group. You will have to log out and back in before it works. |
22:55 | <k1lumin4t1> | ok thanks |
22:56 | <k1lumin4t1> | I msged it |
22:56 | <k1lumin4t1> | but... the thing is that USB drives do mount automatically |
22:56 | <k1lumin4t1> | and my user is in the plugdev group |
22:57 | <interbird> | is the cd manually mountable? (it could be a bad cd) did you try different cd's ? (data-cds) |
22:57 | <k1lumin4t1> | yes, it is |
22:57 | <k1lumin4t1> | I can mount it through cli mount nice and easy |
22:57 | <interbird> | kee |
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22:58 | <k1lumin4t1> | and I don't have a single clue how could I debug |
22:58 | <interbird> | i'm no kde-dude... looked in the kde-preferences? (maybe it differentiates between usb and cd media? -- dunno --) |
22:59 | <k1lumin4t1> | or where/what to debug |
22:59 | <interbird> | kde 3.x or 4.x ? |
22:59 | <k1lumin4t1> | 4.2 |
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22:59 | <interbird> | does dolphin see the cd ? |
22:59 | <k1lumin4t1> | nope |
23:00 | <interbird> | ahh |
23:00 | <k1lumin4t1> | nor dolphin nor device notifier |
23:00 | <k1lumin4t1> | but, k3b does |
23:00 | <interbird> | so, how do you mount it manually as you said you could ? |
23:00 | <k1lumin4t1> | and amarok does see audio CDs |
23:00 | <k1lumin4t1> | and kaffeine video ones |
23:00 | <k1lumin4t1> | I have a line in fstab for it |
23:00 | <k1lumin4t1> | so I just do mount -a |
23:01 | <interbird> | does lsscsi show the device? is it hdx or sdx or scdx or srx? do you know that ? |
23:01 | <interbird> | lscsi |
23:01 | <interbird> | mount -l |
23:01 | <interbird> | dunno... |
23:02 | <interbird> | ahh, maybe coment-out the line in fstab with a # |
23:02 | <k1lumin4t1> | let me see |
23:02 | <k1lumin4t1> | it is sr0 |
23:02 | <interbird> | fstab is "mount-at-boot"; it overrides "removable media" |
23:03 | <k1lumin4t1> | hmm |
23:03 | <k1lumin4t1> | but I have the same line in my laptop |
23:03 | <k1lumin4t1> | and it works fine |
23:03 | <k1lumin4t1> | it's a SATA CD/DVD drive |
23:03 | <k1lumin4t1> | in my laptop is IDE |
23:03 | <interbird> | coumment-out the sr0 line in fstab with a # and then /etc/init.d/udev restart |
23:03 | <k1lumin4t1> | interbird, there's no lscsi command |
23:03 | <k1lumin4t1> | ok |
23:04 | <k1lumin4t1> | let me try that |
23:04 | <k1lumin4t1> | nothing |
23:05 | <interbird> | apt-get install lsscsi, but my guess is you have to comment-out the sr0 line in fstab and do a /etc/init.d/udev restart and reinsert the cd |
23:05 | <k1lumin4t1> | i did |
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23:05 | <k1lumin4t1> | and still nothing |
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23:05 | <mason_> | how do i sign in as root user to edit the sources.list |
23:06 | <interbird> | dunno kde -- evil... -- reboot |
23:06 | <interbird> | open a terminal |
23:06 | <interbird> | su |
23:06 | <interbird> | give password |
23:06 | <k1lumin4t1> | interbird, huh? |
23:07 | <interbird> | if password correct. #-prompt appears |
23:08 | <mason_> | is adobe flash plugin backport safe? |
23:08 | <interbird> | k1lumin4t1: sorry, i'm not a kde-dude; tried to propose some default things; if that does not help maybe #debian-kde can help you further |
23:08 | <craigevil> | mason_: as safe as using Flash normally is |
23:09 | <k1lumin4t1> | interbird, yes, I understand. I tried there, but no answer so far |
23:09 | <interbird> | adobe itself never safe... |
23:09 | <k1lumin4t1> | interbird, and I've been mingling with this issue for some weeks now |
23:09 | <mason_> | craigevil, thanks just making sure because to think of backport is like a back door opening. When computers first came out backport was used to hack things. Just making sure. |
23:10 | <craigevil> | mason_: backports are just newer packages that are made to run on lenny/stable |
23:11 | <mason_> | craigevil, thanks geese terms have changed so much. |
23:11 | <interbird> | no source, no safety |
23:12 | <mason_> | craigevil, now just to think why cant i save sources.list cause it doesnt give me permission. |
23:12 | <craigevil> | mason_: open a terminal then type su nano /etc/apt/sources.list enter your root password |
23:13 | <mason_> | craigevil, you mean sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
23:13 | <craigevil> | if you have sudo setup sure |
23:13 | <interbird> | su |
23:14 | <interbird> | enter password |
23:14 | <interbird> | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
23:14 | <interbird> | change file |
23:14 | <interbird> | ctrl-x |
23:14 | <interbird> | write changes |
23:17 | <mason_> | can some one give me link to backport for flash plugin i kinda lost it and google is being dumb. |
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23:18 | <craigevil> | add this line to your sources.list deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free the backports website is www.backports.org |
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23:20 | <mason_> | hmm it says after doing this my system wouldnt be stable any more is this true? |
23:20 | <interbird> | yes |
23:20 | <interbird> | you mix |
23:20 | <mason_> | i dont get what you mean interbird |
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23:21 | <interbird> | mason_: backports are not a part of your system |
23:22 | <interbird> | so, backports "could" make your system unstable |
23:22 | <interbird> | it means you go "out of bounds" for a thing not present in your system |
23:23 | <interbird> | so, going out of the "stable" debian branch (Lenny), with backports or mixed-updates, makes it non-Lenny |
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23:23 | <interbird> | neverland |
23:23 | <craigevil> | wtf backports are made for stable |
23:24 | <interbird> | no they are not; read the notice accompanied with backports |
23:27 | <mason_> | i get it so its still stable yet debian does not support it. |
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23:27 | <mason_> | atleast not yet. |
23:27 | <mason_> | but once they have tested it they can there for call it stable. |
23:28 | <craigevil> | mason_: stable doesnt get new packages other than security/bug fixes, backports is just a way to get newer packages |
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23:29 | <interbird> | something like that; so the answer to your question if backports can make your system unstable is yes and you are not on (pure) lenny anymore; practice is that backports are well tested and you should have no problems; still, if you do, don't say you run lenny because that is not true anymore... |
23:30 | <mason_> | well what if i uninstall the backport. |
23:31 | <craigevil> | interbird: that makes no sense, thats like saying you installed the opera .deb from opera.com and now your system isn't lenny |
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23:32 | <interbird> | craigevil: is opera in the lenny repository ? |
23:33 | <craigevil> | doesnt matter it doesnt change the fact that you are using lenny, jesus what are you RMS incognito |
23:33 | <mason_> | rms? |
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23:33 | <mason_> | lol |
23:34 | <interbird> | craigevil: don't get nasty; i'm just saying that lenny is it's install and it's repositiries; if you install opera from their site, and it breaks lenny; who would be to blame? |
23:34 | <interbird> | lenny or opera? |
23:34 | <mason_> | if im correct its like saying im gonna install emerald theme manager. Yet im not on lennys system any more. |
23:34 | <mason_> | Because emerald theme manager isnt stable. |
23:35 | <craigevil> | thats not the point the point is you would still be using lenny |
23:35 | <mason_> | the key answer yes. |
23:36 | <interbird> | mason_: ok, then problems that arrive cannot be posted to the "lenny mailing list" because it's not "lenny" anymore... (catch my drift ?) |
23:36 | <mason_> | yes i do |
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23:43 | <Student> | it says temperorary failure resolving "ftp.us.debian.org |
23:43 | <Student> | is the server down? |
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23:44 | <interbird> | open a terminal and do: ping ftp.us.debian.org; pings on my system (typo? missing quote? dunno) |
23:45 | <interbird> | !dunno |
23:45 | <dpkg> | extra, extra, read all about it, dunno is what |
23:47 | <interbird> | iceweasel also connects |
23:47 | <interbird> | server seems not to be down |
23:48 | <nessie> | !dunno |
23:48 | <dpkg> | methinks dunno is what |
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23:48 | <interbird> | !extra |
23:48 | <dpkg> | extra is probably mo betta |
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23:53 | <Student> | ummmm |
23:53 | <Student> | there was a problem in my connection |
23:53 | <Student> | which has been fixed now |
23:54 | <Student> | well how can auto-configure my lan card so every time i start my computer it connects to dhcp server |
23:54 | <Student> | + auto refresh its address with dhcp server in lenny |
23:54 | <Student> | in etch there was a network applet which is no more |
23:54 | <Student> | ummmm |
23:55 | <interbird> | sorry, the connection was lost for some time, you said you had a UMC87209ax lancard ? |
23:55 | <Student> | no |
23:55 | <Student> | a normal Network card |
23:55 | <Student> | nothing special about it |
23:56 | <interbird> | well, the UMC87209ax is quite normal/common |
23:56 | <Student> | ok |
23:56 | <Student> | so how to configure it so i don't have to go open network every time it goes or connection goes off? |
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23:57 | <interbird> | well, for the UMC87209ax, documentation should have been delivered in pdf format when you purchased it |
23:58 | <mrrangerman43> | anyone have time for a question? |
23:58 | <interbird> | !ask |
23:58 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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