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---Logopened Sun Jun 28 00:00:45 2009
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00:02<chzo>?
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00:02<TIM>my life sucks right now, my cd drive doesn't work properly
00:03<adb>needed for ?
00:04<TIM>talking to me?
00:04<Piratero>?
00:04<TIM>question mark
00:04<dr|z3d>TIM: Do you have a Debian issue we can help with? Or are you just here to piss and moan? :)
00:05<TIM>lol
00:05<TIM>I'm a nooby for one so if by debian you mean a linux comparability problem then yes
00:05<gsimmons>chzo: If you are after assistance regarding your issue, you will need to provide details. /msg dpkg ask
00:06<TIM>compatibility
00:06<dr|z3d>If you're a noob, then Ubuntu or MintLinux are likely infinitely more suitable.
00:06<TIM>i'm on ubuntu
00:06<TIM>I call ubuntu linux
00:06<mosno>does it answer?
00:06<TIM>cause like I said i'm a nooby
00:06<adb>!sunday
00:06<dpkg>Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
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00:08<adb>dpkg: tell TIM about ubuntu
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00:12<Piratero>i need like a cheat sheet
00:12<Piratero>that ties the package system of debian into one
00:12<Piratero>from what the looks of it, i can do exactly what the freebsd ports system does
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00:22<craigevil>Piratero: take a look at /usr/share/doc/apt-dpkg-ref/apt-dpkg-ref.html
00:23<craigevil>or the debian-reference card
00:27<Piratero>thanks
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00:27<Piratero>http://xinocat.com/refcard/
00:27<Piratero>i'm assuming this?
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00:28<craigevil>idk it can be installed as a package
00:28<sney`>oh goodness I had no idea that existed
00:28<sney`>that is really cool
00:28*sney` prints
00:29<lethalduck>What does the ampersand mean/do in: find / | xargs tar cf - | bzip2 > /dev/null&
00:29<craigevil>debian-refcard is the package name
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00:30<sney`>lethalduck: it runs the command in the background and returns you to a shell prompt before the command finishes
00:31<sney`>there's a space between /dev/null and the &
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00:32<lethalduck>Great sney, thanks
00:32<sney`>so that command says, in english, "list all my files, then put them in a tar archive, then bzip that shit, but don't tell me about it, and let me do something else while it's happening"
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00:33<TheFish>hi
00:33<lethalduck>Thanks sney
00:33<sney`>welcome
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00:44<k1lumin4t1>has anybody installed linux and windows in different drives being managed by GRUB?
00:44<southernc>yes
00:45<southernc>im doing it right now
00:45<k1lumin4t1>southernc, debian in particular?
00:45<sney`>I've done it before but not recently, it's fairly easy, the trick is to install windows first
00:45<k1lumin4t1>ok
00:45<k1lumin4t1>the scenery is this
00:45<sney`>making grub play nice with a windows install is a lot easier than going back into your linux install after windows erased your MBR
00:45<k1lumin4t1>Two IDE hard drives both of 2 GB
00:45<southernc>you install windows and when grub searches for other installations as long as the harddrive is connected at the same time it will ask if you want to add it to the mbr
00:46<k1lumin4t1>ok
00:46<southernc>very easy
00:46<k1lumin4t1>so it's basically the same as with one drive?
00:46<southernc>uhuh
00:46<k1lumin4t1>thanks
00:46<sney`>yeah, same deal as with one drive and 2 partitions
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00:46<sney`>also, dang, 2GB hard drives? where'd you get those, a museum?
00:46<k1lumin4t1>hahaha
00:46<k1lumin4t1>kind of
00:46<k1lumin4t1>it's a very old box
00:47<sney`>I'll say.
00:47<k1lumin4t1>that had one 2 GB HD and another 10 GB
00:47<southernc>those would be good for making a linux firewall box
00:47<sney`>agreed
00:47<k1lumin4t1>and I added another 2 GB
00:47<k1lumin4t1>so I want the two 2 GB to bear the OSes
00:47<southernc>good luck with that
00:47<k1lumin4t1>and the 10 GB to bear the "homes"
00:47<southernc>lol
00:47<sney`>1 drive for OS, 1 drive for swap (because you know it has like no ram), 2 NICs, hardly any PSU usage
00:47<k1lumin4t1>oh
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00:48<k1lumin4t1>sney, that0s a good idea
00:48<sney`>it'd be decent for linux tinkering too though
00:48<k1lumin4t1>hmm
00:48<k1lumin4t1>now I'm messed up :D
00:48<sney`>yeah if you already have a windows machine I wouldn't really recommend trying to dual-boot a machine that old
00:48<southernc>that could cause an easy ddos with such a small drive
00:48<k1lumin4t1>dunno how to set them now
00:48<sney`>unless you're putting win95 on it or something
00:48<k1lumin4t1>hmm
00:48<k1lumin4t1>sney, why?
00:49<sney`>XP would hardly fit. 2k could work, but it'd be a squeeze.
00:49<sney`>I mean, if you're just playing around, it'll be fine, but you'll find yourself going "argh I have to delete things to fit this reasonable download" a lot
00:49<southernc>i dont think with the kernel source it would fit ....
00:49<k1lumin4t1>it has 128 MB RAM
00:50<k1lumin4t1>and it's a pentium I I think
00:50<sney`>oof 586
00:50<southernc>i just had to fix a server with a 5 gig / and it ran out of space lol
00:50<sney`>yeah but that was probably serving something
00:50<k1lumin4t1>well
00:50<sney`>I bet /var was huge
00:50<k1lumin4t1>I'm not planning on making it a server
00:50<k1lumin4t1>it's for a poor girl
00:50<sney`>a debian minimal install is pretty small and even the kernel sources are only a couple hundred megs at most
00:50<k1lumin4t1>that has no way to access a pc
00:51<k1lumin4t1>so I want to get Windows and Linux on it
00:51<sney`>and you're trying to go the OLPC route with the whole open source thing? cool idea
00:51<k1lumin4t1>so she can have a taste of both
00:51<k1lumin4t1>but i'm going to install a "lightweight" linux
00:51<sney`>you might want to scrounge up a bigger hard drive somewhere so she can have a place to put all those inevitable mp3s
00:51<k1lumin4t1>using Debian and LXDE
00:51<southernc>not to bash debian but if shes a new user wouldnt ubuntu be a better choice ?
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00:51<k1lumin4t1>sney, that's what the 10 GB one is for
00:51<k1lumin4t1>southernc, not really
00:51<sney`>debian is fine for a new user as long as the setup is already done ahead of time
00:52<k1lumin4t1>exactly
00:52<k1lumin4t1>I'm in charge of that part
00:52<k1lumin4t1>and I have some experience
00:52<sney`>and support, I bet
00:52<southernc>i suppose but isnt ubuntu more user friendly ...
00:52<k1lumin4t1>yes
00:52<sney`>not in the day-to-day stuff really southernc
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00:52<adb> You will enjoy Debian I am sure. It really is more solid - even the unstable repos are better than Ubuntu stable.
00:52<k1lumin4t1>southernc, i can make debian user friendly for her
00:52<southernc>i dunno ive never used ubuntu just from what i hear
00:53<k1lumin4t1>she'll be only needing: word processing, internet and multimedia
00:53<sney`>once a good DE with buttons is all set up, people would hardly notice the difference between the two ("oh, is that a different background?") it's all about being able to do the stuff they want to do, which is extremely simple
00:53<k1lumin4t1>with lxde, abiword and some lightweight web browser and audacious it could work
00:53<sney`>abiword, iceweasel, mplayer/etc
00:53<loudergood_>pidgin
00:53<k1lumin4t1>iceweasel eats too much ram
00:53<sney`>urgh audacious. is audacious good now? the lead developer is a raging cockhole
00:54<k1lumin4t1>hahaha
00:54<sney`>I refuse to use it on those grounds
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00:54<k1lumin4t1>well it's fine
00:54<k1lumin4t1>I would enjoy giving her amarok
00:54<k1lumin4t1>but the machine won't bear it
00:54<sney`>since it's so old maybe you should just stick with old xmms
00:54<k1lumin4t1>xmms it's out of the game
00:54<sney`>the original winamp clone
00:54<k1lumin4t1>yes
00:55<sney`>I have no idea if it's even still in apt
00:55<adb>xmms2
00:55<k1lumin4t1>but xmms doesn't exist anymore
00:55<k1lumin4t1>not in debian
00:55<k1lumin4t1>adama, xmms2 plain sux
00:55<sney`>dang.
00:55<k1lumin4t1>sorry
00:55<k1lumin4t1>adb, xmms2 is unintelligible
00:55<adb> audacious is ok
00:55<sney`>I bet that adama guy hates it when people tab him instead of adb
00:55<k1lumin4t1>hahaha
00:56<southernc>is bind/dns required to have a mail server / webserver ?
00:56<k1lumin4t1>southernc, sure
00:56<k1lumin4t1>not bind exactly
00:56<k1lumin4t1>but some dns solution
00:56<sney`>yeah, you need dns but you don't need locally handled dns
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00:56<sney`>usually if you're colocating a server or *something* there are other dns options that you can use
00:56<k1lumin4t1>yes, you could go with third party providers
00:56<k1lumin4t1>like zoneedit
00:56<k1lumin4t1>or afraid
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00:57<k1lumin4t1>or if it's for internal mail dnsmasq
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00:57<sney`>or even the dinky free ones like no-ip
00:57<southernc>im trying to figure oput a way to get it to work without using a dns server on a box i dont really want dns open to the world
00:57<k1lumin4t1>sney`, zoneedit and afraid are free also
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00:57<k1lumin4t1>southernc, zoneedit, afraid, dyndns, no-ip
00:57<sney`>well if you're just doing local development you can use hosts files to associate to an ip address
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00:57<k1lumin4t1>ugh
00:58<k1lumin4t1>that'd require some working
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00:58<sney`>httpd/mail will work just fine as an ip address
00:58<k1lumin4t1>editing the hosts file manually can be a nagg
00:58<sney`>again, just talking LAN stuff here
00:58<sney`>with a small LAN
00:58<sney`>for development purpsoses. etc.
00:58<southernc>hrrmm well something to ponder with anyway
00:58<k1lumin4t1>do it the right way man
00:58<k1lumin4t1>use some third-party
00:58<k1lumin4t1>so
00:59<k1lumin4t1>back to my issue
00:59<k1lumin4t1>two 2 GB HD
00:59<southernc>soory thanks for the advice lol
00:59<k1lumin4t1>will it fit?
00:59<k1lumin4t1>don't worry
00:59<k1lumin4t1>I mean windows XP...
00:59<k1lumin4t1>not sure
00:59<k1lumin4t1>I'm just going to install the whole thing with linux
00:59<sney`>honestly, the last time I fit anything onto a hard drive that small was when debian potato was new, and most people still used win98
01:00<sney`>so I don't know! it'd be an adventure!
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01:00<k1lumin4t1>well let's roll then
01:00<sney`>yeah besides if your user wanted to use windows she probably wouldn't be in love with some kind of clunky windows 9x. she'd want XP at least, which is probably not going to work well enough to be any good
01:00<k1lumin4t1>the two OSes HD on the first ide drive
01:01<k1lumin4t1>and the other one as slave on the second ide drive with a CDROM
01:01<k1lumin4t1>sney`, that's exactly what I want
01:01<k1lumin4t1>sney`, see, she's going to notice how linux can manage well on that machine
01:01<sney`>XP running like crap?
01:01<k1lumin4t1>yes :D
01:01<sney`>well then you'll get it
01:02<sney`>I do know XP supports the original Pentium, I've seen it "running" on a 60mhz thinkpad
01:02<sney`>install will take approximately 1 month
01:02<k1lumin4t1>and then I can elaborate on the idea that windows sux
01:02<Piratero>60mhz?
01:02<sney`>Mhz.
01:02<sney`>big M. not millihertz
01:03<Piratero>MHz
01:03<Piratero>ok
01:03<Piratero>60.0e6Hz
01:03<sney`>sometimes my shift key doesn't cooperate
01:03<Zviper>!u
01:03<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
01:03<Zviper>oops
01:03<Piratero>sney`: i wasn't trying to be a douche
01:03<Piratero>sney`: i was just asking if such a laptop exists
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01:03<Piratero>in other words, i'm surprised there was a 60mhz laptop
01:04<sney`>I doubt there's a 60mhz laptop, but there was definitely a 60Mhz laptop
01:04<sney`>ask the annals of history. I don't remember.
01:04<Piratero>if you're going to correct me
01:04<Piratero>it isn't hz
01:04<Piratero>it's Hz
01:04<sney`>fakldjaflskjdfsa
01:05<loudergood_>heh, I have lenny on a pentium 133MHz laptop
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01:05<sney`>approximately 60 bazillion cycles per second, but still not fast enough to run windows xp worth a damn. it also had one of those foldy keyboards, remember the one they had those TV ads for? it was cool. it had a cd-rom drive which was the bee's knees when it was new. IBM sure made some great laptops.
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01:10<craigevil>debian will fit on a 2gb, my install on my eee 701 is only 1.4GB and thats with lxde and some kde apps
01:10<k1lumin4t1>craigevil, thanks for the tip
01:12<Piratero>how can i disable root from logging into one of the terminals?
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01:18<Piratero>this is so different...
01:18<Piratero>ugh
01:19<craigevil>Piratero: easy way install and use Bastille although there is probably another way
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01:37<southernc>anyone know why when trying to open certain programs from the menus it wont open or it looks like its opening and just hangs and closes on gnome ?
01:38<southernc>for instance trying to open synaptic i click nothing happens
01:39<southernc>anyone else experience this problem
01:40<drakeman>southernc, what certain programs?
01:41<sladi>southernc Tried to launch from console?
01:41<drakeman>southernc, any error log?
01:41<southernc>like in this case its synaptic but it happens with a bunch others like xchat sometimes terminal
01:41<southernc>if i type synaptic in terminal i get
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01:42<southernc>no protocol specifiesd
01:42<southernc>(synaptic:12518): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
01:42<drakeman>you get that message when you try to open any program?
01:43<southernc>well i just reinstalled and this is the first time i tried openening a program that wouldnt open from terminal so im not sure
01:44<drakeman>what you get when you type echo $DISPLAY in terminal?P
01:44<southernc>but like i just tried opening sessions from the menu
01:44<southernc>iot shows the box on the toolbar it has a waiting icon then it just goes away and never opens
01:45<southernc> echo $DISPLAY
01:45<southernc>:0.0
01:46<Piratero>looks like debian isn't for me
01:46<drakeman>southernc, write this in console sudo synaptic --display :0
01:46<southernc>i actually cant even open an archive
01:46<Piratero>arch linux seems to hold more ties with freebs
01:46<Piratero>freebsd
01:46<Piratero>too bad :(
01:46<drakeman>then... sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
01:47<southernc>should i use kernel framebuffer device interface
01:47<southernc>?
01:48<drakeman>plop, i use the default
01:48<Piratero>bye
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01:50<southernc>yea applications still hang and never open
01:50<southernc>(synaptic:12689): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
01:50<drakeman>southernc, is a clean installation?
01:50<southernc>yea
01:51<southernc>about 20 minutes ago ive installed nothing but the base system and display manager
01:51<drakeman>southernc, apt-get install gksu
01:52<southernc>gksu is already the newest version.
01:52<southernc>gksu set to manually installed.
01:52<sladi>southernc, Have you installedthe Gnome metapackage?
01:53<southernc>i havent installed anything
01:53<southernc>thats not instyalled by the installer
01:54<sladi>I see, besides base system you had Desktop Envidroment selected too I guess?
01:54<southernc>yea thats what i meant
01:54<southernc>sorry
01:55<sladi>southernc, NP, sorry I have noe idea but I recently installed to try KDE4 and I unselected everything, not even base system. Then from console in aptitude I installed the KDE stuff.
01:55<sladi>It pulled everything needed to, like xorg for example
01:56<southernc>hmm
01:56<southernc>i might try that
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01:56<southernc>brb ill try logging out and back in
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01:59<southernc>well it works logging out and back in but thats pretty anoying to have to do that
01:59<k1lumin4t1>quick question
01:59<k1lumin4t1>I just can't remember
01:59<southernc>maybe ill try using the fglrx drivers
01:59<k1lumin4t1>in an IDE cable
01:59<k1lumin4t1>there are three connectors
01:59<southernc>...
02:00<southernc>ehhh no
02:00<k1lumin4t1>one goes to mobo
02:00<k1lumin4t1>and the other two (the close ones) are for each drive
02:00<k1lumin4t1>which one is the master?
02:00<drakeman>:S
02:00<southernc>the farhest away
02:00<k1lumin4t1>ok
02:00<k1lumin4t1>thanks
02:00<southernc>the one in the middle i think is the slave
02:00<k1lumin4t1>I just forgot about that
02:01<drakeman>:S :S :S :S :S :S :S
02:01<southernc>but you could always just change the jumpers
02:01<k1lumin4t1>yes, but I wan't one particular drive to be master
02:01<drakeman>Master ---> Slave ---> Cable Select
02:01<drakeman>:D
02:01<drakeman>k1lumin4t1, set the jumper to master in that particular drive.
02:01<k1lumin4t1>yes
02:02<k1lumin4t1>and then in which connector of the ide cable do i place it?
02:02<k1lumin4t1>any of them?
02:02<drakeman>and in slave (99% of the cases, no jumper) the others drives
02:02<drakeman>yes.
02:02<southernc><k1lumin4t1>: what i mean is that if its an older mobo you could run into problems if the jumpers on the drives arent set right
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02:08<unknown>hi
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02:08<southernc>that worked like a charm nomore problems
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02:10<drakeman>unknow hi
02:10<drakeman>southernc, what works? let me know to increase my knowledge, what was the solution foryour error?
02:11<southernc>ide have to pastebin it hang on
02:12<drakeman>southernc, ok!
02:12<drakeman>hey, anyone knows the name of the package that checks any installation for bugs before install on system?
02:13<cahoot>apt-listbugs
02:14<southernc>http://debian.pastebin.com/m176b5ac8
02:14<drakeman>cahoot, , thanks, i have it installed, but i think im going to remove it..
02:15<drakeman>southernc, you do all that to solve the GTK warning error?
02:15<southernc>uhuh
02:15<southernc>gotta be a display error with xorg
02:15<drakeman>southernc, , ohhh. many steps.
02:16<southernc>copy paste
02:16<southernc>lol
02:16<drakeman>southernc, o you get that from a website?
02:16<southernc>no
02:16<drakeman>southernc, then?
02:16<drakeman>southernc, intuition?
02:16<drakeman>haha
02:16<southernc>it can be copy paste now though
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02:17<drakeman>southernc, well thanks anyways for the solution, i though it will be less steps.
02:17<southernc>i read somewhere a while back about problems with my 4800 card
02:17<drakeman>i see!
02:18<drakeman>hey, why the people always compares ubuntu and debian, and try to say ohh ubuntu is better, but if it is based on debian how can be better? ....
02:19<southernc>and there was alot of sites that show ways to get it to work but if you did ati --initial it basically renders youyr disoplay useless without dpkg -reconfiguring xorg you have to load the kernel modules to get it to work right
02:19<drakeman>southernc, ok. i see, thanks for the info...
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02:19<drakeman>"Ubuntu, an ancient word for 'Can't install Debian'" <---------- Plop!
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02:24<drakeman>well, going to sleep.
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02:26<drakeman>ml|, hey at this time the bot is online and you sleeping! hehee
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02:46<lethalduck>Will this command run my test.sh 4 times concurrently and in the background? ./test.sh &; ./test.sh &; ./test.sh &; ./test.sh &;
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03:03<leejongwook>http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/ <--- this is tiny version of debian lenny
03:04<leejongwook>how do i use 'em ?
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03:24<beer> have someone tried to connect to gmail.com using konq konq lately?
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03:51<southernc>kind of a stupid question but ${SAHOME} is supposed to equal /var/lib but before that wouyld work wouldnt you need to create a symlink to it ?
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05:10<lethalduck>Should this command run my test.sh 4 times concurrently and in the background? ./test.sh &; ./test.sh &; ./test.sh &; ./test.sh &;
05:10<cahoot>what happends if you try?
05:11<lethalduck>Desn't work. Can't remember the error msg... was a few hours ago
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05:14<cahoot>the error msg might actually be informative
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05:15<lethalduck>cahoot: system crashed
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05:22<lethalduck>cahoot: -bash: syntax error near unexpected token ';'
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05:26<locklace>lethalduck: so did it occur to you that maybe your script has a syntax error?
05:26<locklace>you know, in the spirit of wild guessing.
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05:29<lethalduck>locklace: No, there are no semicolons in the script
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05:30<lethalduck>but it did occur in the spirit of wild guessing that maybe there was a problem with the ';' in the command
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05:32<locklace>that's bash for you. it won't accept "foo &;".
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05:33<lethalduck>If I run the command with out semicolons it appears to run, but I'm not sure if multiple instances of the script are running
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05:35<locklace>they aren't. the other words are just getting passed as arguments to the first command.
05:35<lethalduck>This is my script locklace: http://paste.debian.net/40449/
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05:35<locklace>oh, with the &s? it appears bash will do it in that case, yes.
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05:36<lethalduck>locklace I thought the &'s where to cause the process to run in the background?
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05:37<locklace>they are. but you can think of "&" as including an implicit ";", so the it complains about "&;" for the same reason it complains about ";;"
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05:40<hever>Hello my system (webserver) crashes sometimes and is then partially no longer available. Partially means I can ping it but the webserver or sshd are no longer available. (sshd listens but I can't connect to it.) I got the following VGA outputs: http://imagebin.ca/view/NOP9C4OP.html, http://imagebin.ca/view/1zqjcQtX.html What does the output tell you? (Actually I'm trying to reproduce the crash to get debug logs but the system wont crash.)
05:41<locklace>hever: kernel panic
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05:43<locklace>hever: are you using xfs?
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05:44<hever>locklace, no ext3
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05:45<locklace>hever: any nfs involved or just local ext3 filesystems?
05:45<hever>locklace, two discs in a software raid
05:45<hever>just local
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05:46<locklace>hever: what kernel version?
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05:47<hever>I'm sure it's no hardware problem. I tested and stressed the hardware a lot to exclude this.
05:47<hever>2.6.26-2-686-bigmem #1 SMP Thu May 28 16:09:02 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
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05:47<hever>Because of the page faults I thougt about memory problems...
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05:48<locklace>hever: no, it's a kernel bug.
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05:50<hever>locklace, How do you know this?
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05:52<locklace>hever: because of the big message that starts with "BUG: ...". ;)
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05:55<SpintroniK>Hi!
05:56<hever>I'll check out the net for solutions... this can't be for example a python bug ?
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05:57<locklace>hever: no, it's a kernel bug. you should upgrade your kernel package to .29 (from lenny-backports) or .30 (from sid) and see if the problem still occurs.
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05:57<hever>locklace, the problem is I can't reproduce it. So I can't validate it's gone...
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05:58<cahoot>hever: fwiw I got an updated 2.6.26-2 for lenny today
05:58<locklace>hever: how often does the problem occur?
05:59<hever>Nearly every second day
05:59<locklace>hever: so you need to do what i said, and run with the new kernel for at least a few days.
05:59<valdyn>hever: i tend to think it's more likely that this is a hardware issue
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06:02<hever>(I upgraded some days ago the kernel and other tools because there were updates and I thought it could help, but thanks for your advice to use a newer one. I'll look a bit around and check the changelogs, perhaps this is a known bug. This would give me more safety.)
06:02<valdyn>hever: why is this is .25 kernel though?
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06:03<hever>valdyn, I'm sure this is no hardware issue I tested and stressed the system some hours and some admins performed special hardware checks on all components, also the power unit...
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06:03<valdyn>hever: that proves nothing
06:03<hever>sure ;)
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06:04<valdyn>hever: for instance, typical memory issues come from overheating. Overheating is not being tested when ram is tested without cpu load
06:04<valdyn>hever: why are you using a .25 kernel? debian has no such kernel.
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06:05<locklace>where did you get .25 from? he said he's using .26.
06:05<valdyn>locklace: from the screenshot
06:05<locklace>oh, heh. that's interesting.
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06:06<hever>I think/hope I did all to exclude hardware errors. I stressed the cpu and ran memmtester, this is not as good as memmtest86 but I wanted to test cpu and mem at the same time....
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06:07<hever>I can't remember if this screenshot was before or after the upgrade...
06:07<valdyn>hever: we need to see if the thrown stacktraces are similar or not
06:07<valdyn>hever: if they are not similar ( i.e. hinting at the same bug ) then you probably got hardware issues
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06:13<sts>hello folks. i defined an inet6 interface in my interface file, when i ifup the interface the ip6 addr. isn't added. but when i run ifup -n, it prints out the 'ip a a' and 'route add' commands accordingly.
06:13<sts>any ideas why this can happen?
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06:15<hever>valdyn, Are this messages logged? The're not in syslog.
06:16<locklace>hever: no. logging of kernel panic output is not generally possible, at least not in the usual manner
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06:17<locklace>sts: are you able to add the address fine manually with ifconfig / ip?
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06:17<hever>Somebody said he got some strange syslog messages: http://muffinresearch.co.uk/archives/2008/08/20/ubuntu-bug-soft-lockup-cpu0-stuck-for-11s/ (it covers ubuntu) and other too.
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06:18<sts>locklace: yes.
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06:19<locklace>hever: you may or may not get stuff in the actual syslog log files depending on the nature of the panic.
06:20<hever>yes sure you're right.
06:20<locklace>hever: anyway, although it could be a hw issue, the easiest thing to do pragmatically is to load a newish (.29/.30) kernel, run with it for a bit and see if the problem still appears.
06:21<locklace>sts: don't suppose ifup -v prints anything useful?
06:21<lethalduck>Thanks locklace
06:22<hever>yes. I'll do it. But its a production system and I got the first complaints. It would be nice to be able to reproduce the problem. Anyway. Thanks for your help !
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06:22<locklace>hever: yep. intermittent kernel panics are a pain in the arse to troubleshoot.
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06:23<cahoot>that can also be true for PITA itself
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06:34<hever>Nice I added testing to sources.list and I'm getting segmentation faults...
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06:42<locklace>hever: uh, that was a remarkably bad idea...
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06:43<hever>Nothing happens yet ;)
06:44<locklace>hever: you really, really don't want to add testing or unstable to your sources on a production system. really.
06:45<weasel>well, we always need some idio^Wusers to test our stuff
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06:46<locklace>not sure "zomg everything is broken!!11!" counts as testing
06:46<hever>Yes sure. I wasn't going to upgrade from it.
06:46<weasel>locklace: it probably does
06:46<weasel>locklace: just not testing of any useful kind
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07:14<mpurcell>anybody have a solution the irritating gksu/gconf problem that disallows root to access gconf?
07:14<dr|z3d>!de
07:14<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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07:24<hever>locklace, I upgraded to the backports .29 kernel. Do you have any other hints to get more informations about the bug at the perhaps next crash?
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07:27*EmleyMoor just pushed his system a little too hard
07:29<EmleyMoor>... and took gdm down
07:30<locklace>hever: not really. the key is the complete output of the panic message; if you can get that by taking a screenshot, that's probably easiest. setting up a serial console is another option. there are other ways to arrange to capture panic messages, but they're more involved.
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07:38<hever>locklace, thanks
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07:39<vsayikiran>what is the channel name to discuss about openoffice issues
07:39<wmt>#gtfo
07:39<wmt>sorry
07:39<wmt>couldn't resist
07:40<And1>Heh.
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07:40<gsimmons>vsayikiran: #debian-oo or #openoffice.org on freenode.
07:40<vsayikiran>gsimmons: thanks
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07:43<vsayikiran>i am writing a word document in openoffice writer, i have added a header at the top of the page. I want to split the header such that i can write one text on left side and another on right side. I need help on how to split the header.
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07:51<hever>vsayikiran, use a table?
07:52<vsayikiran>hever: i have used 2 tab characters
07:52<hever>I uses tables because they provide better alignments
07:53<wmt>vi > oo
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07:56<vsayikiran>hever: so u need to insert tables inside the header
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07:56<hever>vsayikiran, yes
07:57<vsayikiran>hever: ok, but any way the 2 tab characters i inserted also works
07:57<hever>ok ;)
07:57<vsayikiran>hever: thanks
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08:05<Fredk2>Hello
08:05<Fredk2>I chose belgian keyboard during the netinstall. when the install is done i installed xfce4
08:06<Fredk2>if i log me in xfce / the keyboard is in english
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08:06<Fredk2>how to fix it
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08:20<Student>Greetings ever one
08:20<Student>i am getting an error
08:21<Guest1032>hello :D
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08:21<Student>which is GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org etch Release: the following signature cound't be verified because the public key is not available
08:21<Student>what is this suppose to mean?
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08:22<petemc>!no public key
08:22<dpkg>Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. The current key will be linked at http://ftp-master.debian.org/.
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08:22<Guest1032>IDENTIFY fish_kungfu
08:23<Student>well
08:23<Student>!etch key
08:23<dpkg># apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update
08:23<doktor>hey i'm getting this error when i install debian or ubuntu http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/3491/1601091047ki7.jpg can anyone help?
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08:25<miguel_>i use the theme xfce-dusk, which is quite dark, but my problem is, that i have now sometimes white text on white background OR very dark text on black bakcground in my webbroswer (iceweasel) . any idea how to fix that?
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08:25<amphi>miguel_: the browser thing you can probably fix with a user css
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08:26<miguel_>thx
08:26<Student>thanx for the info petemc :))
08:26<Fredk2>hello
08:26<amphi>miguel_: I did that for midori, using a dark theme
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08:26<miguel_>where do i get a user.css from?
08:26<miguel_>or i have to write it myself?
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08:26<amphi>miguel_: I wrote mine
08:27<Fredk2>i chose belgian keyboard during the netinstall / when the install is done the keyboard is in english why
08:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 393] by debhelper
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08:28<miguel_>and the user.css comes as LAST? so it overrides all other stylesheet settings?
08:29<amphi>miguel_: http://paste.debian.net/40464/ has the relevant bits of mine
08:29<miguel_>ty!
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08:30<amphi>miguel_: right; unless they use !important, or have inline font colors and so on
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08:32<Fredk2>i chose belgian keyboard during the netinstall / when the install is done the keyboard is in english why
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08:33<amphi>miguel_: http://picpaste.com/pics/ss-2009-06-28-13_31.1246192331.png shows a page using my css
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08:33<miguel_>thats cool
08:33<Fredk2>how to choose xfce during the netinstall
08:33<miguel_>i just do not know hwere to place my css
08:34<miguel_>but i guess that is different for every browser
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08:34<amphi>miguel_: I'm not sure with iceweasel
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08:34<miguel_>ya, im trying to find out
08:34<amphi>mozilla.org faq or some such will sat
08:35<amphi>*say
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08:41<debianowns>hi, i have a problem with the vesa/nv driver, after i install xorg and gnome or w/e and i try to startx i my screen distorts/freezes, as you can see here: http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/3491/1601091047ki7.jpg i have to do a hard restart, any ideas?
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08:42<locklace>nice
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08:43<locklace>debianowns: that happens even with the vesa driver? are you sure vesa is selected? what kind of card is this?
08:45<debianowns>nvidia geforce fx 5200, i've tried other distros too, same problem
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08:48<cahoot>nv does no better than vesa?
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08:51<debianowns>nope, it doesnt
08:51<debianowns>i had the same problem on debian etch and decided not to install it, now that lenny is out (stable) i tried again, but no luck
08:52<locklace>debianowns: feel free to answer the other questions, instead of just picking one
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08:52<locklace>debianowns: what kind of display are you using
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08:52<locklace>debianowns: at least one guy wasn't able to get either nv or vesa to work with his weird display, so he's using nouveau. maybe give that a try.
08:54<debianowns>thanks, i'll try it
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08:55<locklace>people who ask for help while simultaneously refusing to provide information about their system even when explicitly asked should be drawn and quartered
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08:57<boris_>lol!
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09:33<ml|>drakeman: lol
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09:34<Student>what is the package name of BitchX?
09:34<locklace>!bitchx
09:34<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>. Abandoned by upstream, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373.
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09:36<Student>!literal bitchxignore
09:36<dpkg>"bitchxignore" is ""/ignore -regexp -pattern (BitchX|BX) QUITS""
09:36<Student>!irssi
09:36<dpkg>[irssi] the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . See also http://irssi.org/documentation/faq . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi on open.ircnet.net and irc.freenode.net.
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09:44<nostradamus1971>hello, can somebody please explain me shortly what "mount" means?
09:44<nostradamus1971>i can not watch some dvdś because it says it is not "unmount"
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09:46<Nazcafan>nostradamus1971: to mount is to incorporate a file system (e.g, in a usb stick, or a cdrom) into your global file system
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09:46<Nazcafan>nostradamus1971: so you can use it
09:47<Nazcafan>usually, you can use the mount command
09:47<Nazcafan>its syntax is: mount device location
09:47<nostradamus1971>ah, ok, but one dvd i cantwatch because i get an error message that it is unmount. so you mean when i install software i have to mount it?
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09:47<nostradamus1971>Nazcafan, ah, ok, but one dvd i cantwatch because i get an error message that it is unmount. so you mean when i install software i have to mount it?
09:48<Nazcafan>to mount what?
09:49<nostradamus1971>Nazcafan, iam not sure if i get it
09:49<nostradamus1971>Nazcafan, understand i mean
09:49<Nazcafan>nostradamus1971: usually, you don't need to mount a video DVD in order to watch it,
09:49<nostradamus1971>Nazcafan, hm, ok. then
09:49<Nazcafan>nostradamus1971: the player can access the device corresponding to the drive
09:50<Nazcafan>nostradamus1971: e.g: vlc /dev/hda if /dev/hda refers do your dvd drive
09:50<nostradamus1971>Nazcafan, the thing is, i can watch all other dvd's acceppt the one.. well, maybe some country issues
09:51<nostradamus1971>Nazcafan, xine, i am using
09:51<nostradamus1971>Nazcafan, btw, its excellent
09:51<Nazcafan>I don't know how to use it from the command line
09:51<nostradamus1971>Nazcafan, from the shell you mean?
09:52<Nazcafan>yes
09:52<nostradamus1971>Nazcafan, just type "xine" and thats it
09:52<nostradamus1971>maybe you have to install it first but you will see the message then
09:52<Nazcafan>I meant the command line OPTIONS to pass to xine so it directly plays whatever is in your drive
09:53<ml|>dpkg: tell Student about selftell
09:53<nostradamus1971>Nazcafan, oh, ok.
09:53<nostradamus1971>Nazcafan, do you have experiences with apache server?
09:54<Nazcafan>yes, I had sex with one, back in the 90's
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09:56<neilson>???
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09:58<Nazcafan>nostradamus1971: as far as I am concerned, I profoundly dislike xine, or at least the gxine that is installed in my machine
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09:58<Nazcafan>just a small example, I made it segfault in like two clicks
09:59<nostradamus1971>Nazcafan, because?
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10:00<Nazcafan>what do you mean by "because"
10:00<Nazcafan>?
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10:01<Nazcafan>If I tell you that I obtain a segmentation fault just by trying to quit the app, I am not sure that I will classify it as "heavily reliable"
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10:09<stuckey>How can I install another instance of debian onto a hard drive with logical volumes?
10:09<nostradamus1971>how can i create a script for a programm that i want to start automatickly
10:09<nostradamus1971>?
10:09<nostradamus1971>or some automatic start
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10:12<slush>on boot time?
10:13<nostradamus1971>yes
10:13<slush>read /etc/init.d/README
10:13<nostradamus1971>yes, isaw it right now in my book as well.. thanks!
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10:14<ml|>nostradamus1971: use gnome?
10:14<nostradamus1971>crunchbang deb.
10:15<ml|>crunchbang is an ubuntu thing not debian
10:15<stuckey>Does anyone know if the installer has options for logical volumes which would allow one to create a logical volume to which debian could be installed to?
10:15<gsimmons>dpkg: crunchbang
10:15<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution based on <Ubuntu>, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on Debian>.
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10:17<ml|>nostradamus1971: best to ask your questions in #ubuntu or crunchbang channel
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10:18<Curan>hi, is anybody (except me) tracking testing unable to print since yesterdays ghostscript update?
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10:18<Curan>I try to figure out, whether it's a grave problem or »just« an important one
10:19<nostradamus1971>ml|, i dont know how i can go there. or, how i can change to this irc
10:20<stuckey>ml|: you know anything about logical volumes?
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10:21<ml|>nostradamus1971: type /server irc.freenode.net then after you are connected type /join #ubuntu and/or #crunchbang
10:21<ml|>stuckey: no
10:22<ml|>Curan: works fine here
10:22<nostradamus1971>ml|, where i have to typed in?
10:22<ml|>where you are typing
10:22<nostradamus1971>here?
10:22<nostradamus1971>irc.freenode.net
10:23<ml|>yes but just like i showed you
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10:24<xelar>Hello :)
10:24<Curan>ml|: thanks... do you use CUPS?
10:24<ml|>yes
10:25<xelar>anyone here that has a clue where i can get a interface to auto load a up
10:25<xelar>been trying to editing the /etc/network/interfaces
10:26<xelar>but i dont want to set a ip on it because its beeing used by a vmware computer
10:26<xelar>that gets net as soon as i type ifconfig eth0 up
10:27<bremner>No
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10:27<bremner>It shouldn't
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10:29<bremner>Are you running dhclient on that interface?
10:29<xelar>nope
10:29<xelar>runing a fresh bacis setup of debian
10:29<xelar>and then vmware
10:30<xelar>with 2 network card installed
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10:30<xelar>1 for lan and 1 for inet
10:30<xelar>and router is runing in vmware
10:30<bremner>Paste interfaces?
10:30<xelar>the thing is that it wont auth with the ISP before i run a ifconfig eth0
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10:31<xelar># This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
10:31<xelar># and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
10:31<xelar># The loopback network interface
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10:31<xelar>auto lo
10:31<xelar>iface lo inet loopback
10:31<xelar># The primary network interface
10:31<xelar>#allow-hotplug eth0
10:31<xelar>#iface eth0 inet dhcp
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10:31<xelar>ops
10:31<ml|>dpkg: tell xelar about pastebin
10:32<bremner>You do have eth0 as dhcp
10:33<xelar>its dhcp runing on eth0
10:33<bremner>Maybe use manual instead.
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10:33<xelar>hmm
10:33<gsimmons>stuckey: (re d-i LVM configuration) See section 6.3.2.4 of the Installation Guide.
10:34<bremner>Oh well do a proper paste xelar
10:35<ml|>dpkg: tell stuckey about lvm
10:35<xelar>http://paste.debian.net/40472/
10:35<stuckey>gsimmons: I don't see a 6.3.2.4 on the amd64 guide
10:35<ml|>stuckey: and/or try asking in thier channel
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10:36<xelar>did try to use
10:36<xelar>auto eth0
10:36<xelar>iface eth0
10:37<xelar>in that file but , didnt help much to get it started
10:37<gsimmons>stuckey: It's there, WRT Lenny.
10:37<xelar>I guese i will just make a script and put it in the bootup to run that command
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10:37<toupeira>hi
10:38<toupeira>I've got a 85-second delay when booting from a raid1, is this normal?
10:38<toupeira>see http://pastie.org/527143, the SATA disks are all recognized before the RAID initialises
10:38<stuckey>gsimmons: okay so it says it can reduce and create lvs
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10:44<bremner>xelar: I think a manual interface , not static not dhcp is what you want
10:44*slush nods
10:45<slush>xelar: see also: man interfaces
10:45<gsimmons>stuckey: The guide doesn't state LV reduction, only their creation and deletion.
10:45<stuckey>gsimmons: okay
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11:03<ActionpackedPIVII>hi
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11:03<ActionpackedPIVII>can anyone help me installing compiz-fusion on my debian ?
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11:06<b52laptop>hi
11:06<ActionpackedPIVII>hi
11:06<ActionpackedPIVII>Can you help me install compiz-fusion on debian ?
11:06<b52laptop>my vista broke my grub install ; i have booted debian in rescue mode ; but when i try to grub-installer /dev/sda i got the error wrong number of args
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11:08<cahoot>wrong number of channels too
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11:09<b52laptop>!
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11:11<ml|>dpkg: tell b52laptop about dual boot guide
11:11<ml|>dpkg: tell b52laptop about fixmbr
11:12<b52laptop>ml|, thanks
11:13<ml|>dpkg: tell b52laptop about rescue mode
11:14<ml|>b52laptop: np hope that helps
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11:15<ml|>dpkg: tell b52laptop about install guide
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11:17<eupator>Hello people!
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11:20<crackers>hi, i have a problem choosing iso for install.
11:20<crackers>i have a "amd ahtlon xp 2600 +" 32 bit processor
11:20<weasel>you want the i386 image
11:20<crackers>need i386?
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11:21<crackers>i can dl i386, for install on 32 bit processor ?
11:22<eupator>crackers, or 686
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11:22<Kjetil_>i386 will work on any x86 newer than a 386
11:22<weasel>crackers: yes. get the i386 image.
11:22<eupator>crackers, it will work!
11:22<crackers>thank you, really.
11:22<crackers>just an other question
11:23<crackers>OpenSsh is inclued ?
11:26<eupator>crackers, don't know about open, but ssh you can install via apt.
11:27<crackers>kk
11:27<crackers>ty
11:27<crackers>good afternoon
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11:28<jeromeg>hello
11:28<jeromeg>I have a problem with video on debian testing
11:29<jeromeg>vlc displays in black and white, and the image is small and missdisplayed
11:29<jeromeg>mplayer does not display anything
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11:39<Fredke>Hello
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11:40<Fredke>I installed debian lenny. I choose "belgian keyboard". When i want to log me in Gdm, the keyboard is in qwerty? why?
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11:43<nesuno2>Hi! I'm trying to install slapd (+samba) to lenny, but when I try to use ldapmodify it says error: unable to open /etc/sasldb2 No such file. How can I create it?
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11:48<nesuno2>slapd uses sasl to authenticate?
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11:49<Fredke>how to change default layout in Gdm. I want to use Belgian or not qwerty
11:50<Fredke>I chose belgian keyboard during the install. Gdm uses Qwerty or not Belgian Keyboard, why?
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12:29<steevie>hi
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13:03<smokinherb>wazup
13:04<smokinherb>index.php to capture user names an passwords for website visitors
13:06<cahoot>try #php?
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13:06<cahoot>(if that even was a question)
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13:11<aljazeera>debian 502 will be up soon?
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13:25<cwood_>Good afternoon. Has anybody else been having TLS troubles with msmtp or similar after June 23?
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13:32<sundaymorning>hello, I'm trying to understand the .deb package a little better. How do I make sure that a source file that I've got with apt-get source package already have all debian patches applied?
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13:34<cwood_>sundaymorning, you could perhaps grab all the patches yourself, manually apply them to the original file and then diff the two trees?
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13:43<valdyn>sundaymorning: the patching is part of the build process for a debian package, the build needs to fail if patching fails
13:43-!-frederic is now known as Tobiaske
13:43<Tobiaske>Hello
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13:44<Tobiaske>I installed Lenny in english / keyboard belgian / why does the keyboard is in qwerty in xfce
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13:44<Tobiaske>i choose belgian keyboard during the install
13:46<melkart>the link for the netinst CD-image for lenny is broken
13:46<melkart>http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable
13:46<dr|z3d>Tobiaske: irc://irc.freenode.net/xfce might be useful.
13:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 397] by debhelper
13:47<cahoot>Tobiaske: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide
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13:49<ubuntu>!lilo
13:49<dpkg>lilo is probably the LInux LOader, and the head of staff of irc.freenode.net (who isn't named after the LInux LOader)
13:49-!-ubuntu is now known as stuckey
13:51<stuckey>I just installed debian onto a logical volume, and the installer installed Lilo (i've never seen it do this before), and now I don't get grub anymore when I boot. And worse, the machine fails to boot, it just gives some erros about missing file systems.
13:51<stuckey>Why did it install lilo?
13:51<stuckey>Did I just hose the system?
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13:52<cwood_>stuckey, you can reinstall grub as the boot loader.
13:52<stuckey>cwood_: how do I do that?
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13:52<southernc>when i use the command mail and try to delete a message i get mail: Cannot create lockfile /var/mail/southernc.lock: Error creating temporary lockfile
13:53<southernc>any ideas how to fix
13:53<stuckey>southernc: df -h
13:53<southernc>i forget what i did last time
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13:53<cwood_>stuckey: start by making sure that grub is installed, then remove lilo. Read the grub and grub-install man pages for more detail on how to install grub as your boot loader.
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13:53<stuckey>cwood_: yeah but I can't boot the system
13:54<Tobiaske>re
13:54<southernc>the problem is /var/mail isnt read write ?
13:54<southernc>or in this cas /var/mail
13:54<stuckey>Why did the installer install lilo? It never installs that.
13:54<cwood_>stuckey: Boot with your install cd or repair cd, perhaps? Or make yourself a grub boot disk and use the grub command line to manually boot. Once you're booted you can fix it.
13:54<k6orj>Anyone know how to configure wpa_supplicant?
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13:54<stuckey>cwood_: Yeah I'm on the machine right now with a live cd
13:55<Tobiaske>i installed lenny in english with belgian keyboard / when i log me to xfce / the keyboard is in qwerty why
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13:55<cwood_>stuckey: So you can use this to make a grub cd or grub floppy, and there you go.
13:56<stuckey>cwood_: I need a grub cd?
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13:56<cwood_>stuckey, I mean that to boot into your installed system you need a boot loader, and one way to get that is to use grub from a cdrom or floppy.
13:57<Tobiaske>why does xorg.com is empty after an install
13:57<Tobiaske>conf
13:57<stuckey>cwood_: it boots to the lilo loader thing
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13:57<cwood_>stuckey: you can type something to set a manual boot command in lilo.
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13:57<ml|>dpkg: tell stuckey about lilo->grub
13:58<stuckey>ml|: not quite that far yet
13:58<stuckey>cwood_: I've never seen lilo before; how do I do this?
13:59<Tobiaske>nobody cant help me
13:59<Tobiaske>i think its a bug
13:59<k6orj>Need help with wpa_supplicant?
13:59<cwood_>stuckey: you can read about how in the lilo man page, which will explain better than I.
13:59*stuckey is allergic to manuals.
14:00<Tobiaske>if you choose belgian keyboard during the install / the layout in xfce is in qwerty
14:00<cwood_>stuckey: If your current environment doesn't have lilo, you can mount your hard disk and do: man /path/to/lilo.8.gz
14:00<stuckey>I thought i'd just use google.
14:00<cwood_>If you don't want to read manuals, you may not get as far with Debian as you want.
14:00<k6orj>So true!
14:01<ml|>stuckey: try in rescue mode what dpkg told you
14:01<stuckey>ml|: what's resuce mode?
14:01<adb>dpkg: tell stuckey about grounding
14:01<Tobiaske>why xorg.conf is empty by default after a lenny install
14:02<ml|>stuckey: you don't see that when booting? and option for rescue mode
14:02<stuckey>ml|: when booting from the cd?
14:02<ml|>no your system
14:03<stuckey>ml|: I don't have grub anymore. The fucking installer installed some lilo shit that doesn't work. Now my whole system is as good as hosed.
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14:03<cwood_>It's just a boot loader. Your system is as hosed as if an Apache install went wrong. Your path to recovery is to boot using another available boot loader (like the installed lilo or a grub boot disk) and then fix things per what dpkg said.
14:04<k6orj>it is not hosed just need to pug grub back in! This is not Winblows you have control!
14:04<k6orj>pug = put
14:04<ml|>dpkg: tell stuckey about fixmbr
14:04<ml|>stuckey: try that
14:05<cwood_>If you don't want to spend the time to learn how to use the available boot loaders (lilo and grub), that is not a software issue. Still, if you can reproduce the install issue it will be worth filing a bug. Installs shouldn't leave systems unbootable.
14:05*angasule can't wait for svn to work again on testing...
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14:07<k6orj>I think he clicked the box telling the installer not to load on the MBR?
14:08<k6orj>That would break it!
14:09<k6orj>Easy to fix though.
14:09<stuckey>When it says /dev/harddiskdevice, it means /boot?
14:09<stuckey>ml|: "
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14:10<k6orj>Where does it say that?
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14:11<stuckey>dpkg: tell k6orj about lilo->grub
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14:13<adb>dpkg: tell stuckey about trolling
14:13<k6orj>Ok yes now I see what you are saying.
14:13<ml|>adb: hah
14:13<ml|>stuckey: thought you said you could not boot into system
14:13<stuckey>ml|: I did.
14:14<adb>!lvm
14:14<dpkg>somebody said lvm was the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net.
14:14<adb>stuckey: ^^^
14:14<stuckey>adb: ?
14:14<ml|>then why are you tryimg to do that
14:14<stuckey>ml|: trying to do what?
14:14<adb>stuckey: read all those docs
14:14<ml|>lilo-.grub guide
14:14<ml|>lilo->grub guide
14:15<stuckey>Well how am I supposed to fix the system?
14:15<ml|>adb: i have told he about that several times now
14:15<ml|>*him
14:15<ml|>dpkg: tell stuckey about fixmbr
14:15<dr|z3d>stuckey: superbrub
14:15<dr|z3d>*supergrub
14:15<dr|z3d>!fgi supergrub
14:15<ml|>try with that
14:15<stuckey>dr|z3d: so I should use this one instead?
14:16<adb>ml|: no, it depends , if /boot is in VLM boot is done by lilo ...
14:16<dr|z3d>stuckey: Entirely up to you. Supergrub is probably easier.
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14:16<ml|>adb: ok, i'm just trying to help
14:16<adb>not him ...
14:16<k6orj>Anybody get there wifi netowking working with "wpa"?
14:16<stuckey>dr|z3d: I have two root filesystems. Which one do I mount?
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14:17<stuckey>!wpa
14:17<dpkg>rumour has it, wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Lenny's Debian Installer does not support WPA. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant
14:17<stuckey>k6orj: read all of this.
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14:19<ml|>stuckey: since you keep trying to use lvm why don't you take the time to read docs howtos etc...
14:19<ml|>ah, he left
14:20<adb>troll is gone .
14:20<k6orj>Tnx will try that. everytime I un-coment "/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf" in "interfaces" it locks up the internet. reading the manuals in debian no help.
14:20<ml|>adb: forgot he was doing the lvm thing
14:20<dr|z3d>I'm sure stuckey just fuxors his system so he gets to hang in here.
14:21<adb>no worry , it's ok
14:21*dr|z3d chuckles.
14:21<ml|>heh waht a way to learn, go thru alot of pain for nothing whe reading docs is much easier
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14:27<nostradamus1971>aloha, can somebody please explain me me i can create this fili? #!/bin/sh
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14:28<stuckey>I cannot chroot into my root file system; it says it doesn't exist.
14:28<stuckey>"No such file or directory"
14:28<yareg>connect irc://irc.djsounds4u.net/viparea
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14:28<stuckey>I was running "chroot /dev/mapper/debian-root" (which was displayed on the screen when I hit tab"
14:30<stuckey>Anyone?
14:30<bremner>stuckey: Isn't that a block device?
14:30<llutz>stuckey: man mount
14:30<stuckey>bremner: I don't know, is it?
14:30<stuckey>Just tell me what I'm doing wrong
14:31<dr|z3d>stuckey: Using Debian. Ubuntu would be much safer. :)
14:31<stuckey>I doubt it
14:31<dr|z3d>You're probably right. You seem to have an uncanny knack of fucking things over.
14:31*dr|z3d winks.
14:31<stuckey>I didn't write the installer.
14:31<azeem_>stuckey: what are you trying to do?
14:32<azeem_>are you running chroot manually?
14:32-!-azeem_ is now known as azeem
14:32<stuckey>azeem_: Made a new logical volume, installed on to it, the installer installed lilo, i rebooted, system wouldn't boot, it said something about couldn't find file systems, so I joined here to ask for help
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14:35<dr|z3d>stuckey: If you run supergrub and opt for an automatic repair, what happens?
14:35<azeem>stuckey: how far did it boot?
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14:35<frederic>re
14:36<stuckey>azeem: it goes to lilo
14:36<azeem>and then?
14:36<stuckey>dr|z3d: run supergrub?
14:36<azeem>lilo doesn't know about file systems
14:36<stuckey>azeem: says it can't find file systems
14:36<azeem>what is "it"?
14:36<frederic>i installed lenny with usb boot in english with a belgian keyboard
14:36<stuckey>azeem: it says something about stuff not being found, and then I just have a weird prompt
14:36<azeem>how much text do you get after lilo executes the boot?
14:36<stuckey>azeem: a little
14:36<stuckey>azeem: then I get a prompt with () around it
14:36<azeem>stuckey: so it's not lilo, d'oh
14:36<azeem>what prompt?
14:36<frederic>when the installation is done / xfce layout is in qwerty why
14:37<dr|z3d>stuckey: supergrub has an automode to fix situations like yours. It won't hurt to run it, and might just help.
14:37<stuckey>azeem: It says lilo is (doing something) to linux
14:37<azeem>dr|z3d: but grub doesn't grok lvm
14:37<stuckey>grok?
14:37<azeem>stuckey: please come up with the exact next time
14:37<dr|z3d>azeem: Ah. I thought it might. My bad.
14:37<stuckey>azeem: the line I have after it stops working?
14:37<azeem>grub2 does, not sure whether that is being used
14:37<azeem>stuckey: as much text as possible
14:37<frederic>why nobody cant help me its a bug
14:37<stuckey>azeem: this will take a minute, okay?
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14:39<dr|z3d>"Take 10"
14:39*dr|z3d smirks.
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14:45<stuckey>azeem-work: Lilo 22.8 Loading Linux.... / Bio data check sucessfull / mount: mounting /dev/root on /root failed: No such directory / (initramfs)
14:46<stuckey>azeem: it's the (initramfs) which is the command prompt I have.
14:46<azeem>right, so Linux booted
14:47<stuckey>Does that make this easier/quicker to fix?
14:47<azeem>just not successfully
14:47<azeem>stuckey: is that the stock kernel?
14:47<stuckey>azeem: yes
14:47<azeem>mount /dev/root on /root looks weird
14:47<ciurlionis>
14:47<ciurlionis>It is a wonderful operating system
14:47<ciurlionis>yhx
14:47<ciurlionis>thx*
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14:48<stuckey>azeem: I have two root filesystems; one is /dev/mapper/debian-root
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14:49<azeem>two?
14:49<stuckey>azeem: I was planning to dual-boot with sid
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14:49<azeem>so...?
14:50<stuckey>What should I do?
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14:51<stuckey>azeem: do I download a grub cd and boot from it?
14:51<stuckey>azeem: how do I fix this?
14:52<azeem>stuckey: I don't have time now
14:52<azeem>stuckey: did you encrypt the root partition?
14:52<stuckey>azeem: no
14:53<azeem>well then, no idea; try to figure out why it cannot load it
14:53<stuckey>azeem: Why is it using Lilo?
14:53<azeem>because grub cannot deal with / on lvm
14:53<stuckey>azeem: so if I've two /root's then I have to use lilo?
14:53<azeem>what do you mean with two root?
14:54<stuckey>azeem: I installed another root file system...
14:54<azeem>how?
14:54<stuckey>azeem: with the installer
14:54<stuckey>azeem: I made another logical volume, and installed lenny to it
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14:54<azeem>during the same installer run?
14:55<stuckey>azeem: no, i already had lenny installed
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14:56<Tobiaske>I installed lenny in english with a belgian keybord. The installation is done. When i log me in xfce.. the keyboard layout is in qwerty, is there a bug?
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14:57<azeem>Tobiaske: did you install from the xfce cd?
14:57<dr|z3d>Tobiaske: Configure your local, fiddle around. It's fixable.
14:57<dr|z3d>*locale
14:57<azeem>or how did you install xfce?
14:57<Tobiaske>azeem, I installed the base system. After, i installed xfce (apt-get install xfce4)
14:58<Tobiaske>azeem, i installed with the usb method
14:58<stuckey>azeem: So am I just going to have to reinstall the whole system?
14:59<Tobiaske>dr|z3d, en_US.UTF-8. I only want the keyboard in be by default
14:59<Tobiaske>Is there a bug,?
15:00<dr|z3d>Tobiaske: Whether it's a bug or a failing, I've seen that before. It's fixable. You just need to poke around in Xfce's settings.
15:00<azeem>stuckey: dunno, if you can't figure out the problem, maybe
15:00<azeem>stuckey: use a seperate non-lvm /boot partition this time
15:00<stuckey>azeem: I can't figure out the problem. I have no clue why this is
15:00<stuckey>azeem: i have a seperate non-lvm /boot partition
15:01<stuckey>it's /dev/sda
15:01<dr|z3d>stuckey: If you've got /home on another partition, you'll save yourself a lot of hassle. Just a thought.
15:01<Tobiaske>dr|z3d, if i install gdm, the problem is the same
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15:01<azeem>stuckey: /dev/sda is a disk, not a partition
15:01<Tobiaske>i think it's a bug
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15:01<h657865785>hello. i'm looking for something to test the stability of my gpu
15:01<dr|z3d>Regardless, it's fixable. If only you care to poke around.
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15:02<adb>!locales
15:02<dpkg>Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>
15:03<h657865785>does that make sense?
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15:03<stuckey>Would someone here please help me get my system to boot again?
15:03<adb>Tobiaske^^
15:03<h657865785>not sure what that would be called
15:03<h657865785>stuckey: state your problem
15:03<stuckey>I just get some lilo shit and an error that says "mount: mounting /dev/root on /root failed: No such directory"
15:03<Tobiaske>i'll try
15:03<Tobiaske>thank you for you help
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15:03<stuckey>I set up a dual-boot, with two logical volumes, each with lenny, and now I get thist
15:03<azeem>stuckey: 20:58 < azeem> stuckey: /dev/sda is a disk, not a partition
15:03<h657865785>stuckey: did your system ever boot?
15:03<stuckey>h657865785: yes
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15:04<stuckey>h657865785: before I installed another lenny onto my new logical volume
15:04<h657865785>ANOTHER lenny?
15:04<stuckey>h657865785: the installer installed "lilo" and when i rebooted it didn't work
15:04<stuckey>h657865785: yes, I'm creating a dual-boot setup
15:04<h657865785>with two installs of lenny?
15:04<stuckey>h657865785: yes
15:04<h657865785>:/
15:04<h657865785>okie
15:05<h657865785>cant he just install grub and have it detect the installed OSes?
15:05<stuckey>h657865785: how do I do this?
15:05<h657865785>yeah. good question
15:05<h657865785>got any cd's lying around?
15:05<azeem>h657865785: the second lenny is on a / lvm
15:05<azeem>grub can't handle that
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15:06<azeem>stuckey: do you have a boot menu to boot your old lenny?
15:06<h657865785>azeem: what so you mean?
15:06<h657865785>*do
15:06<h657865785>i have lenny on a lvm
15:06<azeem>h657865785: on your root partition?
15:07<h657865785>yeah
15:07<azeem>including your boot partition?
15:07<h657865785>wait
15:07<h657865785>yeah. no. hdx2
15:07<h657865785>oops. why did you do that?
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15:08<h657865785>so boot a live cd. resize your partition. create one for grub. then install grub
15:08<h657865785>then grub should be able to handle it.
15:08<azeem>presumably, he has a working grub on his old lenny install
15:08<h657865785>thought they were on the same disk?
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15:08<azeem>I hope not
15:08<frederic>re
15:08<h657865785>indeed
15:08<frederic>azeem, the problem is the same
15:09<h657865785>stuckey: is this all on one disk?
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15:09<frederic>azeem, i did dpkg-reconfigure locales. If i reboot the computer, xfce is always in english
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15:10<azeem>frederic: xfce or the keyboard layout?
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15:10<frederic>is there a bug or not. If i choose belgian keyboard during the install.. Xfce must be in belgian, no?
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15:10<frederic>azeem, i want to use Debian in english and the keyboard in belgian
15:10<southernc>anyone know why i can send email to username@www.myserver.com but not username@myserver.com using imap and postfix
15:11<azeem>frederic: maybe xfce does not support that; I really don't know, sorry
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15:11<adb>frederic: setxkbmap be
15:11<frederic>adb, i already use it.. if i reboot, qwerty is used again
15:11<southernc>i keep getting it bounced back with relaying denied
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15:12<frederic>adb, i alsa try to install gnome and the layout in gdm was in english
15:12<adb>frederic: set it in xorg.cof use some examlpes from google
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15:12<slush>southernc: set correct mydestination in /etc/postfix/main.cf
15:12<frederic>adb, xorg.conf is empty by default
15:13<adb> set it
15:13<adb> use some examlpes from google
15:13<noflash>frederic, have you asked in #xfce on freenode ?
15:13<frederic>adb, i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
15:13<simNIX>Im new to Fedora - I installed it - now want to add isc-dhcpd - but if I search dhcp in gnome I only find isc-dhcp client and a gui to configure the isc-server, not the isc-serveR ?
15:14<frederic>noflash, xfce says "you must ask here"
15:14<slush>simNIX: is this #fedora?
15:14<noflash>heh
15:14<simNIX>what is isc-dhcpd package calle on f11 ?
15:14<simNIX>may bad
15:14<adb>frederic: not more this command in lenny
15:14<simNIX>should sleep more
15:14<simNIX>pls disregard
15:14<FourtyTruth>does someone know if i can configure alsamixer to put the volume limite higher?
15:14<stuckey>azeem: what do you mean, a boot menu to the old lenny?
15:14<southernc>mydestination = example.com, www.example.com, localhost.example.com, localhost
15:14<frederic>i think it's a bug because xorg.conf is empty after the install
15:14<southernc>it already is
15:15<frederic>!mumble
15:15<azeem>stuckey: a boot menu, where you can select both entries
15:15<frederic>Is mumble available in etch?
15:15<adb>!search
15:15<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>.
15:15<stuckey>azeem: no, it goes straight to lilo 22.8 loading linux ....
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15:15<adb>frederic: ^^
15:16<azeem>stuckey: maybe hitting some key will make it show up
15:16<frederic>see you
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15:16<adb>frederic: xorg.conf is almost empty by default in lenny , X now is automatic
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15:17<adb>but we can custom it as we need
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15:18<adb>mdr
15:19<stuckey>azeem: which?
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15:19<azeem>stuckey: no idea, google it
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15:19<azeem>I don't use lilo
15:19<azeem>stuckey: otherwise, try to re-activate your old grub by booting from a live cd
15:19<azeem>and then teach it how to boot the new install, if possile
15:19<azeem>possible*
15:20<azeem>(maybe by copying over the kernel or just munging the configuration to point to the new root
15:20<azeem>)
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15:24<brandel>Join The Army Here: http://www.hawkee.com/snippet/6292/
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15:31<stuckey>I just installed lenny onto a logical volume and now I can't boot anymore; I just see "lilo 22.8 loading linux... " and then some other stuff and then it stops.
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15:31<dalis>Join The Army Here: http://www.hawkee.com/snippet/6292/
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15:32<jclinton>hi, i have the following /etc/apt/preferences file which is my first attempt at forbidding versions: http://pastebin.com/d33a20622
15:32<jclinton>but it's not working; the versions i have specified are still showing up in apt-get upgrade -V. what am i doing wrong?
15:33<stuckey>Could someone please tell me how I could restore my system?
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15:34<jclinton>stuckey, try again using grub this time; might have better luck
15:34<stuckey>jclinton: how do I do this?
15:34<jclinton>stuckey, when it asks you: lilo or grub, choose the default, grub
15:34<stuckey>jclinton: it didn't give me a choice
15:35<stuckey>It just did it
15:35<jclinton>stuckey, try a fresh install
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15:35<jclinton>stuckey, also, you can try expert mode which is on the boot menu when you start the installer
15:36<jclinton>stuckey, it asks more questions
15:36<stuckey>Could I use a live grub cd to install grub?
15:36<stuckey>Someone said something about that but I'm not sure how it would work.
15:36<jclinton>stuckey, no, you're not knowledgeable enough to do that
15:37<stuckey>damn
15:37<stuckey>so I'm just supposed to toy-around with the installer?
15:37<ml|>stuckey: you need to docs howtos on lvm normal fixes will not work for you
15:37<ml|>*read
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15:37<jclinton>or just reinstall, as i said, with grub
15:38<ml|>dpkg: tell stuckey about lvm
15:38<stuckey>jclinton: I'm telling you it doesn't give me the option; it just installs lilo.
15:38<jclinton>stuckey, and i just told you to do it in expert mode and it will
15:38<stuckey>ml|: what about this whole chroot in the root filesystem stuff?
15:38<stuckey>jclinton: it will?
15:38<jclinton>stuckey, too hard
15:38<jclinton>stuckey, yes
15:38<stuckey>jclinton: how do you konw?
15:38<jclinton>stuckey, re: chroot or installer?
15:38<stuckey>chroot
15:39<jclinton>stuckey, the kinds of questions you are asking
15:39<ml|>stuckey: no about lvm it worls different apperantly, never used it my self gl
15:39<ml|>works*
15:39<stuckey>ml|: maybe I have to mount it first before trying to chroot into it.
15:40<stuckey>jclinton: okay thanks, I'll try to do the isntall again
15:40<stuckey>jclinton: you know this is a logical volume, right?
15:40<jclinton>stuckey, yes, lilo is deprecated
15:40<stuckey>deprecated?
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15:40<jclinton>stuckey, it likely selected lilo because it found an existing lilo installation
15:40<cdlu>jclinton, which is a shame. it was so much simpler. :)
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15:41<jclinton>cdlu, grub and grub2 are quite nice
15:41<stuckey>jclinton: okay so If I do an expert install, on the logical volume I just installed lenny to, I'll get grub and it will work?
15:41<ml|>dpkg: tell stuckey about deprecated
15:41<cdlu>I'm not sold on them
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15:41<jclinton>stuckey, for the third time, use the expert install mode to force grub
15:41<stuckey>jclinton: okay i'll test it now
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15:42<nesuno2>Hi! I try LDAP+PAM. But when I try to ssh ldapuser@localhost, auth.log says "Failed password for user ldapuser".
15:42<azeem>jclinton: are you sure grub1 will work with an lvm on / and /boot?
15:42<vook>I hope stucky isn't reinstalling to get grub
15:42<azeem>oh stuckey left
15:43<nesuno2>When I type a bad password, I get "Invalid credentials" too, so pam known that the pw is correct or not.
15:43<nesuno2>knows
15:43<vook>chase the wild geese!
15:43<jclinton>azeem: if he is not using guided and he gets to the grub step with /boot on lvm, it will fail gracefully
15:44<jclinton>otoh, he should also get offered grub2 which does support lvm /boot
15:44<nesuno2>How can I login with ssh in the name of an ldapuser?
15:44<azeem>for lenny?
15:45<nesuno2>Yes!
15:45<nesuno2>I try to follow http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/PAM.
15:45<azeem>nesuno2: I meant jclinton
15:45<jclinton>nesuno2, ldap and linux is extremely painful to configure
15:45<jclinton>nesuno2, did you also configure NSS?
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15:46<nesuno2>Yes, it's working.
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15:46<jclinton>nesuno2, so `getend passwd` returns LDAP users?
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15:46<jclinton>nesuno2, err `getent passwd`
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15:47<nesuno2>Yes, it gives me ldapuser.
15:47<nesuno2>I can chown to it.
15:47<jclinton>nesuno2, can you su to it using `su - username` ?
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15:48<nesuno2>Wow, works.
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15:48<nesuno2>I tried su from a non root account.
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15:49<jclinton>nesuno2, are you sure you did the proper unix password and PAM steps?
15:49<jclinton>nesuno2, your LDAP db may not have the right password data
15:49<jclinton>nesuno2, it sounds like you are close
15:49<nesuno2>But when I su from a normal acc, and type the good password, I get authentication failure.
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15:50<jclinton>nesuno2, i recommend getting SSH working with that user first since any errors will output to the console
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15:50<nesuno2>But when I type a bad password, I get invalid credentials too.
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15:50<jclinton>nesuno2, so it sounds like PAM isn't right yet
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15:50<nesuno2>Yes. Maybe some config under /etc/pam.d is not correct.
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15:51<nesuno2>I modifyed common-* as in the howto.
15:51<jclinton>its fairly likely that you do not have a proper unix password in LDAP for that user
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15:51<somae7>I tried installing debian netinst on a computer that uses a cable modem and it's unable to find it -
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15:52<jclinton>somae7, USB or Ethernet?
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15:52<somae7>usb
15:52<stuckey>jclinton: that didn't work
15:52<jclinton>somae7, never use the USB on a cable modem
15:52<stuckey>there isn't an option to use grub
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15:52<jclinton>stuckey, that was an amazingly fast install
15:52<stuckey>jclinton: it only gives me the option of using lilo.
15:52<stuckey>jclinton: It's a fast computer
15:53<stuckey>jclinton: and the install of the basic-system failed as well
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15:53<jclinton>stuckey, are you using the guided partitioner? or doing it manually?
15:53<stuckey>jclinton: naturally I have to do it manually
15:53<somae7>we don't have an eternet card at the moment
15:53<jclinton>somae7, then it will not work
15:53<stuckey>jclinton: I have another LV with data on it.
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15:54<stuckey>I can't just re-install with guided partitioning.
15:54<jclinton>stuckey, if you do it manually, you should create a 200mb /boot partition in addition to your / partition which is on LVM
15:54<nesuno2>jclinton: But when I type good pw, I get only Failure, but when I type a bad pw, I get Invalid credential message too. So I think the password goes to PAM from LDAP, but my /etc/pam.d/common-* config fails in the end.
15:54<stuckey>I spent hours getting up this fucking LV because I thought I could dual-boot into sid with it.
15:54<jclinton>stuckey, /boot should be outside LVM
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15:54<somae7>jclinton: will it work after the install?
15:54<stuckey>jclinton: it is
15:54<stuckey>jclinton: but using guided will kill everything else, won't it?
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15:55<jclinton>stuckey, we appear to be having a miscommunicatoin; re-read what i wrote
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15:55<jclinton>somae7, no
15:55<stuckey>jclinton: I've read everything you've written
15:55<jclinton>somae7, you must use Ethernet
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15:55<somae7>ok - thanks
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15:55<jclinton>nesuno2, keep working on it, you're close, i think
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15:56<stuckey>jclinton: you can't use the guided partitioner to create a /boot; doing that would kill my lvm--- right?
15:56<jclinton>nesuno2, try setting the LDAP password with `passwd` as root
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15:56<jclinton>stuckey, at no point did i tell you to use the guided partitioner
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15:56<stuckey>jclinton: sorry I'm getting tired, I've been trying to fix this for hours.
15:56<stuckey>jclinton: So I need to erase and then remake the /boot partition?
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15:57<stuckey>jclinton: and then re install the lv?
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15:57<jclinton>stuckey, create the /boot you need using the manual partitioner outside of the LVM and put your / inside your LVM
15:57<jclinton>stuckey, you can do both inside the manual partitioner
15:57<stuckey>jclinton: "put my / inside my lvm"? Could you be more specific please?
15:58<nesuno2>jclinton: passwd: User not known to the underlying authentication module
15:58<stuckey>jclinton: The drive is full... I've got two lv's, one I just made and the other will all my shit on it.
15:58<jclinton>stuckey, how much of your drive is a PV?
15:58<nesuno2>jclinton: passwd: password unchanged
15:58<stuckey>jclinton: all of it except 256MB for /boot
15:58<jclinton>nesuno2, so fix that first and then i think login will work
15:58<stuckey>jclinton: well that's also a physical volume (/boot)
15:59<jclinton>stuckey, arg, don't mix terms... a PV in LVM terms is the underlying partition that it uses for allocation
15:59<nesuno2>jclinton: auth log says:
15:59<jclinton>stuckey, is /boot a LV on a PV on LVM?
15:59<nesuno2>jclinton: passwd[13652]: pam_unix(passwd:chauthtok): user "user3" does not exist in /etc/passwd
15:59<nesuno2>s/user3/ldapuser
15:59<stuckey>jclinton: /boot is a physical voume
15:59<jclinton>nesuno2, so your common isn't right
16:00<jclinton>nesuno2, or you need ldappasswd which is rare; i don't know which
16:00<jclinton>stuckey, as in /dev/sda1?
16:00<stuckey>jclinton: exactly
16:00<azeem>you said /dev/sda earlier
16:00<jclinton>stuckey, and there is no other linux distribution installed?
16:00<nesuno2>jclinton: Yes, but I don't know what to write here. I tried to assemble the files from http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/PAM
16:00<stuckey>jclinton: just two instances of debian lenny
16:00<azeem>jclinton: it's the boot of an earlier lenny install I guess
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16:00<jclinton>nesuno2, i can't help you any further
16:01<stuckey>Was, I suppose this lilo shit has overwritten it.
16:01<jclinton>stuckey, you cannot share the /boot partition between two installations
16:01<jclinton>stuckey, or, you can but its a very very bad idea
16:01<jclinton>stuckey, you need exactly one for each
16:01<stuckey>jclinton: is that why it made me use lilo?
16:02<jclinton>stuckey, i'm guessing, though i cannot be sure
16:02<stuckey>jclinton: okay so screw this whole dual boot thing; I'll just delete the other logical volume; how do i get my system back?
16:02<jclinton>stuckey, it likely put your /boot inside your LVM in an attempt to avoid erasing your existing /dev/sda1
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16:03<jclinton>stuckey, well, if your lenny installation is missing from the LILO menu, that's a bad sign
16:03<nesuno2>jclinton: Thx this, I continuing google for these errors:)
16:03<stuckey>jclinton: I don't get a lilo menu
16:03<stuckey>jclinton: before I had grub
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16:03<jclinton>stuckey, at this point you should attempt to rescue your lenny install using the installer's rescue mode
16:04<stuckey>jclinton: how exactly?
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16:04<jclinton>stuckey, if indeed it was using grub, you can do the chroot steps mentioned before
16:04<jclinton>stuckey, it's going from lilo to grub via chroot that would have been too hard
16:04<stuckey>jclinton: I tried using "chroot /dev/mapper/debian-root" but it said No such directory
16:04<jclinton>stuckey, boot rescue mode and it will give you a menu of found debian installations
16:04<stuckey>jclinton: I didn't see this menu
16:05<jclinton>stuckey, then it's probably been deleted
16:05<stuckey>jclinton: but the files are still there; I haven't lost them.
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16:05<jclinton>stuckey, are you sure?
16:05<stuckey>jclinton: I don't see how it could ahve
16:05<stuckey>jclinton: The debian-root is in it's own LV
16:06<jclinton>stuckey, did you resize the existing install destructively?
16:06<stuckey>jclinton: no
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16:06<stuckey>jclinton: I spent a lot of time trying to correctly make another Logical volume
16:06<stuckey>because I thought it would let me install another instance of lenny onto it, so that I could test something with sid. But apparently that isn't possible.
16:06<stuckey>so take note
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16:07<simNIX>to backup ...
16:07<simNIX>:(
16:07<jclinton>stuckey, oh, no, it's quite possible if you know what you're doing
16:07<stuckey>jclinton: Really?
16:07<jclinton>stuckey, oh yes
16:07<stuckey>jclinton: Man, I wish you were all those times I asked about this in this channel.
16:07<stuckey>jclinton: Care to tell me where I went wrong?
16:07<jclinton>stuckey, my best guess would be that you destroyed your working installation during the LVM resize step
16:08<jclinton>stuckey, it's hard to be certain though
16:08<stuckey>jclinton: anyway to test this?
16:08<jclinton>stuckey, try rescue again and attempt to manually mount your original install using mount /dev/mapper/whatever to /target
16:08<stuckey>jclinton: I do that after I go through all the menus and it gives me the little prompt?
16:08<jclinton>stuckey, then continue with the rescue steps, chroot, etc using /target as the chroot directory
16:08<jclinton>stuckey, yes
16:09<stuckey>jclinton: and if I get it, I can install grub?
16:09<jclinton>stuckey, yes, likely...
16:09<stuckey>jclinton: and if not?
16:09<jclinton>stuckey, unless you destroyed /dev/sda1
16:10<jclinton>stuckey, if you cannot install grub, you can use rescue mode to copy your data to a USB disk or similar
16:10<jclinton>stuckey, and then reinstall fresh
16:10<stuckey>jclinton: I've a lot of data; this could take a while ;)
16:10<jclinton>stuckey, yes, at this point i would strongly consider not wasting any more time on the bootloader and just start recovery immediately
16:11<stuckey>jclinton: okay so I boot into recovery mode and try the chroot
16:11<ml|>stuckey: i would backup data right now incase things go wrong somewhere
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16:12<stuckey>ml|: I'm out of backup space; you have 160GB you could loan me?
16:12<jclinton>stuckey, chroot only after successfully finding and mounting your LV to /target
16:12<locklace>heh. i knew when this started three weeks ago that it would end in tears
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16:12<jclinton>stuckey, that is mandatory since the rescue mode cannot seem to find your original install
16:12<locklace>kind of surprised it took this long for stuckey to hose his system, actually
16:12<ml|>stuckey: you should always have a backup!
16:12<jclinton>stuckey, but like i said, it's looking pretty bleak at this point
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16:13<stuckey>jclinton: what do you mean, after sucessfully finding and mounting the lv to target?
16:13<stuckey>which lv? which target?
16:13<ml|>locklace: hah
16:13<jclinton>stuckey, something like `mount -t ext3 /dev/mapper/debian-root /target`
16:13<stuckey>Is there a way I could mount an LV with this live cd to get data off it?
16:14<jclinton>stuckey, that is the command i just gave you
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16:15<stuckey>mount: special device /dev/mapper/debian-root does not exist
16:15<jclinton>stuckey, i don't know what you called your LV; i made that up
16:15<jclinton>stuckey, you should know or figure it out
16:15<locklace>stuckey is like the linux user equivalent of tar baby
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16:16<jclinton>stuckey, the lvm command can probably help you find it if it's still there
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16:17<stuckey> debian 1 3 0 wz--n- 595.93G 0
16:17<stuckey>I see that
16:17<jclinton>stuckey, looks promising
16:17<locklace>and jclinton is only the latest in the long line of br'er rabbits
16:18<jclinton>stuckey, look in /dev/mapper for *debian*
16:18<stuckey>jclinton: got it; the LV lives
16:18<jclinton>stuckey, so at this point see if your data is still alive
16:18<stuckey>jclinton: it's all there
16:19<jclinton>stuckey, and give the chroot command a test: chroot /target
16:19<stuckey>jclinton: chroot where?
16:19<jclinton>stuckey, ...........
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16:19<ml|>locklace: jclinton doesn't know so not his fault
16:19<jclinton>stuckey, where did you *JUST* mount it
16:19<stuckey>I mounted it to /media/disk
16:19<jclinton>stuckey, fine, whatever... do this:
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16:20<jclinton>stuckey, mount -t proc non /media/disk/proc
16:20<stuckey>jclinton: sudo chroot /media/disk/
16:20<jclinton>stuckey, mount -o bind /dev /media/disk/dev
16:20<jclinton>stuckey, mount -t sysfs none /media/disk/sys
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16:20<jclinton>stuckey, chroot /media/disk
16:20<jclinton>stuckey, source /etc/profile
16:21<jclinton>stuckey, grub-install
16:21<locklace>ml|: we should probably put a warning in the topic
16:21<stuckey>jclinton: install_device not specified.
16:21<jclinton>stuckey, grub-install /dev/sda
16:21<ml|>locklace: hah
16:21<stuckey>Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub
16:22<jclinton>stuckey, eh, sorry, type `exit`
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16:22<jclinton>stuckey, now do `mount /dev/sda1 /media/disk/boot`
16:22<jclinton>stuckey, then chroot again
16:22<jclinton>stuckey, then grub-install again
16:22<stuckey>jclinton: but it's still searching/doing something
16:22<jclinton>stuckey, just do it
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16:22<jclinton>stuckey, careful not to make any typos
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16:23<ml|>!beer jclinton
16:23*dpkg deftly decants a fine Delirium Tremens for jclinton
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16:24<stuckey>Installation finished. No error reported.
16:24<slg>hello all someone got experience with virtualbox? need some help, get an error running red faction 1 .... "File C:
16:24<jclinton>stuckey, exit out twice
16:25<stuckey>okay
16:25<jclinton>stuckey, and you should be able to reboot
16:25<stuckey>jclinton: it's fixed?
16:25<jclinton>stuckey, possibly
16:25<jclinton>stuckey, if so, it will boot
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16:25<stuckey>if not, i'll come back :)
16:25<bremner>terminator
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16:25<locklace>the tar baby always comes back
16:25<slg>File C:\Projects\RF_PC\vsdk\directx\gr_direct3d.cpp - line: 1885
16:26<slg>any idea ?
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16:26<locklace>slg: great question
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16:27<stuckey>!congratulate jclinton
16:27<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies jclinton, you did it!
16:27<ml|>slg: try in #vbox on irc.freenode.net
16:27<azeem>wow
16:27<jclinton>stuckey, now start backing up your data... you narrowly escaped
16:27<azeem>jclinton: \o/
16:28*stuckey begins searching for a new hard drive.
16:28<slg>ok thanks, ill have a look
16:28<ml|>stuckey: is lucky
16:28<adb>ml|: nor for long ...
16:28<adb>not*
16:29<ml|>adb: hah
16:29<locklace>ml|: this only delays the inevitable
16:29<stuckey>I'll figure out a way to hose it again pretty soon...
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16:29<ml|>lol this funny
16:29<adb>ml|: seen ? ...
16:29<ml|>even he is saying it
16:30<adb>heh
16:31<ml|>maybe stuckey wouldn't be in this mess if read some docs howtos etc...
16:31<stuckey>ml|: hey, I did the lv correctly.
16:31<stuckey>I think the problem was that I didn't add a seperate /boot for the new os.
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16:31<ml|>then why are having problems?
16:31<ml|>*you
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16:32<stuckey>ml|: Well I'm not anymore, thanks to clinton
16:32<ml|>well not untill you have a backup
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16:33<stuckey>I'm buying a new western digitial right now, i'm on ebay
16:33<ml|>stuckey: anyways glad things worked out for you, just seems stuff like this happens to you often
16:33<aljazeera>is it safe to buy hdd on ebay?
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16:34<ColOfNature>anyone know how i get apt-get to show suggestions for already-installed packages?
16:34<adb>ml|: now, he will ask about ... backups , seems not yet
16:34<stuckey>ml|: I'm sure if you looked at it in terms of how much time I spend on a computer/ "accidents" I have, the ratio would be under that of the average computer user.
16:34<craigevil>aljazeera: if the seller has good feebback usually yes
16:34<dr|z3d>ColOfNature: apt-cache show recommends or somesuch. man apt-cache
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16:35<craigevil>apt-cache show package sill list depends and recommends/suggets
16:35<craigevil>s/sill/will
16:35<ml|>ColOfNature: you can do this in aptitude ncurses
16:35<dr|z3d>apt-cache show depends <package>
16:35<nesuno2>jclinton: Just for the completeness: I left the original pam_unix.so line in common-auth where it is 'required'; but it must be 'sufficient' as in the manual.:) Now it's working, with auto-created home dirs! :)))
16:35<ml|>and aptitude show too
16:36<ColOfNature>cheers folks, i'll give those a try
16:36<jclinton>nesuno2, congrats
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16:38<ml|>adb: i would think stuckey can do that by now
16:38<adb>guessing ...
16:39<ml|>but you might be right since he has no backups atm
16:39<ml|>*you
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16:44<silas>quien habla español?
16:44<ml|>!es
16:44<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:52<frederic>Hello
16:52<frederic>i can't solve the problem
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16:55<locklace>frederic: stand by. one of our professional mind-readers is performing a remote synchronization with your brainwaves even now to intuit the symptoms, nature and root cause of your problem.
16:55<bzed>!help frederic
16:56<ml|>locklace: lol he was here before
16:56<frederic>i think it's a bug
16:56<ml|>frederic: explain your prombel again
16:56<ml|>*problem
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16:57<frederic>I installed Debian lenny in english with usb boot. When the installation was finished, i want to log me with eg: gdm and the keyboard layout is in english
16:58<ml|>frederic: and explain what you have tried thus far
16:58<frederic>i want to use the operating system in english and the keyboard in Belgian
16:58<frederic>or not in qwerty
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16:59<frederic>is it a bug or not?
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17:00<bzed>no
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17:01<locklace>frederic: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch08.en.html#_specific_locale_only_under_x_window
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17:02<locklace>and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch08.en.html#_the_keyboard_input
17:03<ml|>hah, he left right before you pasted those links
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17:18<dr|z3d>Note to self: Should have been apt-cache depends <packagename> |grep Rec
17:20<ml|>aptitude show packagename works also
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17:35<jclinton>anybody see what i am doing wrong? http://pastebin.com/d33a20622
17:35<jclinton>first attempt at forbidding package versions
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17:36<craigevil>!tell jclinton about pinning
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17:37<jclinton>craigevil, yea, but why isn't it working
17:37<ColOfNature>in apt-cache showpkg, under dependencies, does a version (0 (null)) mean a suggested package?
17:37<jclinton>craigevil, obviously, having created the preferences file, i know what it is
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17:43<kapil>jclinton: apt-cache policy <pkgname> may offer some hints.
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17:44<knoppix_>hashim
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17:45<jclinton>kapil, interesting!
17:45<Guest1073>my name's
17:45<Guest1073>yes
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17:47<ml|>jclinton: or try aptitude forbid-version app-name=version#
17:47<jclinton>ml|, aptitude won't work in amd64 at the moment
17:47<jclinton>ml|, apparently goswin is working or thinking of working on a patch
17:48<jclinton>(which is incidentally why i am looking at manually touching preferences for the first time)
17:48<ml|>jclinton: oh didn't know that, when did this happen?
17:48<stuckey>jclinton: so what I need to do, to make the dual-boot work, is to install another /boot ?
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17:49<jclinton>ml|, eglibc transition + making ia32-apt-get mandatory at the same time
17:49<jclinton>ml|, like, a day or two ago
17:49<jclinton>stuckey, yea
17:49<ml|>oh hopefully they fix that soon
17:49<stuckey>jclinton: I need a physical /boot?
17:49<jclinton>stuckey, yea, one for each install
17:49<stuckey>jclinton: shit, I don't have any room left anymore
17:50<bottron>cough
17:50<stuckey>Could I split my 256mb /boot into two?
17:50<jclinton>stuckey, not easily
17:51<jclinton>stuckey, you could perhaps resize your sda2 lvm but that's probably too hard
17:51<ml|>stuckey: usually you only need at most 100mb for /boot for future reference
17:52<ColOfNature>in apt-cache showpkg, under dependencies, does a version (0 (null)) mean a suggested package?
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17:52<adb>jclinton: may ask goswin. he's talking now in #d-dev
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17:52<jclinton>adb, ty
17:53<adb>np
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17:53<jclinton>stuckey, there's an alternative which would actually be easier
17:53<stuckey>jclinton: yes?
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17:54<adb>stuckey: use USB stick as boot/ device
17:54<jclinton>stuckey, you could install using the testing installer AFTER you install grub to /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/sda
17:54<jclinton>stuckey, testing has grub2 which can work with LVM without a dedicated /boot, last i checked
17:55<jclinton>stuckey, so you could install directly to a new LV with only one partition: /
17:55<jclinton>stuckey, grub2 would get installed to /dev/sda and point to /dev/sda1 to get back in to your stable install
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17:55<jclinton>(as well as providing you your testing menu options)
17:56<stuckey>What's the size of a typical debian install? 8G
17:56<stuckey>G
17:56<stuckey>?
17:56<adb>4
17:56<stuckey>only four?
17:56<ml|>2gb here
17:56<adb> 2 also
17:56<ColOfNature>stuckey: i'm running a virtual machine, without x, under1G
17:57<ml|>actually 2.4gb
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17:57<adb>for newbees say 5 ..
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17:58<adb>4.9G 4.6G 50M 99% /
17:58<ml|>adb: yes 5-8gb
17:58*adb newbees
17:59<ml|>not only newbees if you have alot of stuff installed like two de's etc
17:59*adb BUT separate home/ ..
18:00<ml|>just depends on how much or little you want to install
18:00<stuckey>Okay
18:00<adb> /sda2 36G 34G 390M 99% /home
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18:05<aljazeera>new vfat patch http://lwn.net/Articles/338941/
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18:44<enouf>vfat patent? wt4x?
18:44<enouf>what fool would patent that POFS FSType :-P
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19:00<humanoid2050>is anyone else having issues with the default gnome shared folder manager? it seems to have suddenly died on my systems.
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19:22<MacWinLin>Hi to all :)
19:22<|_cls_|>hi
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19:24<MacWinLin>Can I ask a question?
19:24<|_cls_|>its just to fire away i think
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19:24<EmleyMoor>Permission not required - as long as it's relevant
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19:27<MacWinLin>Here's who is from Russia?
19:27<dr|z3d>!ru
19:27<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
19:27<noflash>MacWinLin, that'd be off topic
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19:27<|_cls_|>!no
19:27<dpkg>No Offense
19:28<|_cls_|>!norwegian
19:28<dpkg>hmm... norwegian is the language spoken in Norway, or better than swedish, or better then danish
19:28<|_cls_|>nice
19:28<MacWinLin>Thanks :)
19:28<humanoid2050>i have a topical question. i am running debian squeeze, fresh install, and file sharing does not work
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19:28<humanoid2050>the gnome folder sharing assistant loses its settings as soon as it closes
19:29<humanoid2050>did something change recently? it used to work
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19:30<humanoid2050>correction... im running lenny, the stable distro
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19:31<enouf>humanoid2050: no idea; /msg dpkg gnome ; try gconf2-tool or something like gnome-control-center ; or System : Preferences or Administration? (i don't use gnome) and /msg dpkg BTS
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19:32<ml|>humanoid2050: try in #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org
19:32<enouf>humanoid2050: you do have waht "/msg dpkg security" tells you?
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19:32<adb>what protocol use gnome share ?
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19:33<ml|>samba or nfs?
19:33<enouf>probably something to do with gvfs?
19:33<adb>both ?
19:33<enouf>!gvfs
19:33<enouf>!listvals gvfs
19:33<adb>!gfs
19:33<dpkg>Factoid search of 'gvfs' by value returned no results.
19:33<dpkg>gfs is, like, The Global File System (GFS): it allows multiple Linux machines to share storage devices over a network. See http://www.redhat.com/software/rha/gfs/ or http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_File_System
19:33<enouf>oh
19:33<humanoid2050>i am using samba as installed by default
19:33<enouf>adb: no , not that
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19:35<enouf>dpkg: gfs is also , or "Google FS"
19:35<dpkg>okay, enouf
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20:42<Slurb>after 2 days unreal tournament works flawlessly
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20:57<interbird>i want to remove pulse-audio, synaptic shows the pulse-stuff it want removed, but also wants to install other 'new' pulse-stuff in the same action (?)
20:58<interbird>s/but/but it /
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21:07<Slurb>thats because some programs use pulse
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21:09<craigevil>easier to just disable it, on gnome select alsa for for all options in /system/preferences/sound
21:09<Slurb>and if you're worried about the 32bit compat it will go away without the server
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21:14<enouf>dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base? lsof | grep pulse and kill all those PIDs/apps nicely?
21:15<enouf>doen't pulse require/use/ride-on-top of ALSA?
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21:18<Slurb>i think hes talking about a alsa pulse wrapper like alsa-oss
21:18<Slurb>yes pulse runs ontop of alsa
21:18<Slurb>well moreso merges with alsa
21:19<Slurb>alsa is a driver pulse is a software
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21:21<enouf>i have alsa-oss, and no pulse
21:21<enouf>there's also aoss? i dunno
21:21<craigevil>libasound2-plugins has the pulse alsa plugin
21:22<interbird>craigevil: I have two sound icons, one activates my "old alsa" and the other activates the dialog i don't want; actually i'm not sure it is pluse-audio; but i have two icons for sound-stuff, one in the notification-area, which was not there before, and activates a useless dialog, and the normal sound-applet with when i chose preferences shows the same useless dialog
21:22<enouf>interbird: what does aptitude -s purge pulse-audio tell you?
21:23<enouf>interbird: and aptitude why pulse-audio
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21:24<enouf>interbird: i wonder if you use -R with aptitude, it might help (-R == without Recommends)
21:24<interbird>enouf: it wants to remove a lot of stuff, also an xfce icon-theme...
21:25<Slurb>interbird what version of debian
21:26<craigevil>why the hell would xfce packages be tied to pulse? sounds like something *buntu would do
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21:27<Slurb>maybe old packages that needed removed or hes running unstable
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21:28<interbird>Slurb: guilty, it's squeeze with xserver-video-intel upgraded to sid and a broken totem; so i know i am at fault with mixing stuff, so it's actually not a problem of any debian branch, just a prob i have because i upgraded xserver selectivly to sid to overcome the x-hang on intel i85x
21:29<Slurb>all i was gonna say is i have hosed an unstable system listening to apt-get or aptitude
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21:31<Slurb>if kde-full gets removed from purging any file from the default kde-full package apt wants to hose all of kde thats not held by another program
21:31<Slurb>i havent run squeeze but if its anything like sid its a nightmare
21:32<interbird>enouf: thanks for you replies, but i guess i have a bit of a broken system since i mixed some squeeze and sid packages; thx
21:32<Slurb>see if lenny backports has what you need
21:32<craigevil>Slurb: thats why you dont install the big metapackages, without them sid is fine
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21:33<Slurb>i just wanted to see what sid had to offer
21:33<Slurb>i like my lenny
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21:34<enouf>Slurb: a) lenny backports isn't meant for Squeeze and b) you can /msg dpkg unmarkauto
21:34<enouf>to get around your massive removal issues
21:34<Slurb>that was only with sid
21:34<Slurb>i have lenny now
21:35<Slurb>and i was stating that so maybe he could run stable and still get around the hang issue
21:35<Slurb>if its in lenny-backports
21:36<Slurb>what i would have liked to learn is how to control the depends part of it
21:36<craigevil>simple you disable recommends/suggests
21:37<Slurb>then you can break packages?
21:37<craigevil>Slurb: i havent in 5 yrs of running sid
21:37<craigevil>worse thing to was kde4 :)
21:37<Slurb>i wanted to force an install of a package that apt said causes other packages to be broken
21:38<Slurb>i wanted wine on sid
21:38<Slurb>couldnt manage it
21:38<craigevil>usually you just have to wait a day or two until the depends issus are fixed
21:38<craigevil>its usually something like -data being a different version
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21:39<craigevil>openoffice, pidgin, wesnoth tend to have that happen almost every time they get upgraded
21:39<Slurb>yes because a file is put in a different place so another program wont find it
21:40<snogglethorpe>I think the main thing with running sid is to relax
21:40<Slurb>ill just wait fore sid to be stable
21:40<Slurb>lots of things are incomplete in sid
21:41<craigevil>snogglethorpe: yep if something doesnt want to install or weird stuff wants to be removed you just wait, apt-listbugs helps as well
21:41<Slurb>well things that i use
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21:41<snogglethorpe>I think aptitude does a good job of holding stuff back if you know how to tickle it when it gets too remove happy
21:42<snogglethorpe>hoepfully all the work Daniel's doing on the conflict resolution algos right now will make all that automatic
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21:42<craigevil>ive always used apt-get
21:43<Slurb>apt-get aptitude synaptic its all apt
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21:45<interbird>i noted the packages that were upgraded when i changed sources.list to (sid) to upgrade xserver--intel to the sid-version; if i uninstall them and reset my sources.list to squeeze and reinstall these packages, will that "reset" my system to what it was ?
21:45<Slurb>ther is one sid package i want and the developer has a webside with a deb binary but the link is down at berlios.de
21:46<craigevil>!downgrade
21:46<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn>
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21:47<interbird>!partial downgrade
21:47<dpkg>This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'
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21:49<interbird>!sdn
21:49<dpkg>hmm... snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information.
21:50<interbird>thx
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21:58<Co_X>dear all... i had install debial at home, dual OS with windows, then at debian i found that there is NTFS at the drive.. but i cannot open it
21:58<Co_X>how to mount NTFS?
21:59<Co_X>usually i just neet to doubleclick on the NTFS drive and it open....
21:59<interbird>Co_X: are you using a gui like gnome? is there an icon representing the ntfs-partition ?
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22:02<Co_X>interbird: fresh install gui using gnome... i just click the computer icon on the desktop, and there was 21Gyb drive appear as my NTFS windows drive... but i cannot open it...
22:03<interbird>it could be the ntfs file-system is "dirty"; you'll have to recover that with windows or, (more dangerous), with the ntfs-tools/utils
22:03<interbird>can you open a root terminal Co_X ?
22:04<fortlock>Co_X
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22:05<fortlock>you need to install ntfs-3g
22:06<fortlock>before you can mount the ntfs drive
22:06<interbird>Co_X: can you open a terminal and become root ?
22:07<fortlock>and you will have to mount it manually each time or add entries to your fstab
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22:07<fortlock>and dont forget to create a mount point and point to the right partition of the disk when you mount it
22:08<Co_X>yes i can open terminal as root
22:08<fortlock>Co_X: aptitude install ntfs-3g
22:08<Co_X>fortlock... ntfs-3g.... i'll try it now....
22:08<Co_X>wait....
22:08*fortlock whistles elevator music
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22:09<interbird>does the command: fdisk -l | grep 7 show a line on hda or sda ? do you know on what partition the ntfs filesystem is ?
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22:09<fortlock>^^indeed. you will need to know where and what the disk is before you could mount it.
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22:10<Co_X>interbird: at first partition.... i might be install the ntfs-3g withot knowing it before that make me able to open NTFS...
22:10<Co_X>i just fresh install it to new computer :-)
22:10<fortlock>ubuntu has it installed by default last time i ran it
22:11<Co_X>and.... the computer was at home... i'll learn the ntfs-3g now....
22:11<fortlock>so Co_X. 'fdisk -l'
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22:11<Co_X>fortlock : i see... then when i use ubuntu it's no problem... i will done it when i arrive at home... the computer at home :-D
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22:12<fortlock>but how did i know you were using ubuntu?
22:12<interbird>Co_X: ntfs-3g is not needed to mount ntfs, only to write it; what i wanted to check is where your ntfs-partition is and mount it to /1 as read-only just to see if you can access it; ntfs-3g would have been the 2nd stage...
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22:12<Co_X>fortlock: i use all from ubuntu, debian, and more... i do interest to learn everything sir....
22:12<interbird>(mkdir /1)
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22:13<interbird>fortlock will help you further in solving your ntfs problem
22:14<fortlock>prolly wont be here when you get home though. seeing as you are probably on the other side of the world as me
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22:14<fortlock>but google is your friend
22:14<Co_X>interbird : no hard feeling sir... but i just wanted to know how.. because the computer was at home
22:15<interbird>Co_X: fine, are you in a root terminal ? (#)
22:15<Co_X>yes interbird... i try it at my virtual machine, but there is no NTFS attached
22:16<Co_X>i learn about ntfs-3g now....
22:16<interbird>Co_X: ubuntu, virtual machine, you make it not easy for me to get a picture of your problem; this is a Debian channel, by the way...
22:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 365] by debhelper
22:17<Co_X>interbird... now i learn debian sir... :-) in my virtual machine at the office
22:18<Co_X>the problem was happen on fress install debian at my home...
22:18<interbird>and the ntfs problem is with debian in the virtual machine under ubuntu ?
22:18<Co_X>i just do not know about ntfs-3g before
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22:18<mason_>hello.
22:18<Co_X>interbird.. i do fresh install debian at home as secondary OS after windows
22:18<interbird>what is the virtual machine you use ?
22:18<mason_>how do i install adobe flash for the internet on debian?
22:19<Co_X>and i cannot mount NTFS drive at home... thats all
22:19<k1lumin4t1>hey
22:19<k1lumin4t1>what does the d means in this line?
22:19<mason_>like for the music and stuff.
22:19<k1lumin4t1>idA libmimelib4
22:19<craigevil>mason_: backports or from dmm
22:19<k1lumin4t1>that's an aptitude serarch mime result
22:19<mason_>whats that mean?
22:19<Co_X>there is no problemo at debian with my virtual machine... i just learn ntfs-3g with it... :-)
22:19<mason_>im new to debian.
22:19<craigevil>!tell mason_ about Adobe Flash
22:19<k1lumin4t1>idA libmimelib4 - KDE mime library
22:19<k1lumin4t1>I -> installed
22:19<k1lumin4t1>A -> automatic
22:20<k1lumin4t1>but D ?
22:20<fortlock>no. what about P?
22:20<k1lumin4t1>P -> purged
22:20<fortlock>is that pending
22:20<interbird>mason_: enable non-free in synaptic (/etc/apt/sources.list) and search in it for flash. (or ask some of the aptitude seniors on some channel)
22:20<fortlock>oh
22:21<mason_>im still so confused.
22:21<interbird>flash is dying... <video> on html5 with Theora is growing
22:21<mason_>is there a command for the terminal to install.
22:22<craigevil>mason_: follow the directions at www.backports.org
22:25<interbird>Co_X: so, you can mount your ntfs data paritions now ? (ntfs data-partition to mount on a virtual debian install? two disk images ?) give me back my drivers' license...
22:26<mason_>okay awsome this helps but one thing i just cant find the command to install it via terminal.
22:27<fortlock>no wonder this guy is confused. drivers license?
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22:27<interbird>hehe :-)
22:28<craigevil>mason_: once you have backports set up , do aptitude update then aptitude -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree
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22:30<interbird>Co_X: what do you use as virtualization software ?
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22:31<mason_>when ever i try adding the line via sources.list it wont let me save it.
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22:32<mason_>says i dont got permissions
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22:32<interbird>are you root ?
22:32<mason_>yes.
22:32<mason_>my main account is root
22:32<mason_>wait
22:32<mason_>for username i should use root
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22:32<interbird>what does ls -la /etc/apt/sources.list say ?
22:33<interbird>what does whoami say ?
22:34<mason_>says root root then a number.
22:34<mason_>thats in root terminal though.
22:34<mason_>idk how to edit it via terminal only via text editor.
22:35<interbird>you have a (#) prompt in this "root" terminal ?
22:35<interbird>whoami says "root" ?
22:35<interbird>the number is 0 ?
22:36<interbird>wat do you use to edit sources.list ?
22:36<interbird>wordstar ?
22:37<interbird>(possible... -:-)
22:38<mason_>no i use the normal txt editor comes via with debian
22:38<interbird>like ?
22:38-!-bruno_naibert [~bruno@c925a14c.virtua.com.br] has joined #debian
22:38<interbird>nano?
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22:40<interbird>are you root in the "session" / "terminal" where you started your editor to edit sources.list, and if so, do you know wat to change in that file ?
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22:41<interbird>sources.list is a file you don't want to "mess with"; aka, make typo's in it
22:41<interbird>you are sure you want to edit it ?
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22:43<craigevil>if he is running stable and wants adobe flash he has to edit it because it is not in stable
22:44<interbird>he's gone, i just noticed... (probably solved his problem... :-)
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22:47<k1lumin4t1>anybody experiencing problems with CD/DVD automount using Debian and kde 4.2?
22:47<k1lumin4t1>USB drives are automatically mounted through dolphin and device notifier plasmoid, but not CDs
22:48<interbird>hate midnight-commander is now (squeeze++) distributed with the internal-editor *off* and using nano with half-tabs on...; what nono decided that ?
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22:48<k1lumin4t1>it happened once that during an upgrade all of a sudden a CD that was inside the CD tray got automounted, and that happened casually when the mime-support package was being upgraded
22:51<interbird>i'm no kde user, but maybe it is somewhere in the preferences? to automount cd's? maybe deeper ? (dunno what the gconf equivalent for kde is...)
22:52<adb>k1lumin4t1: cat /etc/debian_version
22:52<k1lumin4t1>adb, squeeze
22:53<adb>aha
22:53<adb>!automount
22:53<dpkg>If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman>, or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>.
22:54<k1lumin4t1>adb, how can I ask dpkg about the kde automount thing? sorry
22:55<interbird>!kde automount
22:55<adb>!kde automount
22:55<dpkg>To automatically mount optical disks and USB keys under KDE, install kdebase-kio-plugins and add the needed users to the plugdev group. You will have to log out and back in before it works.
22:55<k1lumin4t1>ok thanks
22:56<k1lumin4t1>I msged it
22:56<k1lumin4t1>but... the thing is that USB drives do mount automatically
22:56<k1lumin4t1>and my user is in the plugdev group
22:57<interbird>is the cd manually mountable? (it could be a bad cd) did you try different cd's ? (data-cds)
22:57<k1lumin4t1>yes, it is
22:57<k1lumin4t1>I can mount it through cli mount nice and easy
22:57<interbird>kee
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22:58<k1lumin4t1>and I don't have a single clue how could I debug
22:58<interbird>i'm no kde-dude... looked in the kde-preferences? (maybe it differentiates between usb and cd media? -- dunno --)
22:59<k1lumin4t1>or where/what to debug
22:59<interbird>kde 3.x or 4.x ?
22:59<k1lumin4t1>4.2
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22:59<interbird>does dolphin see the cd ?
22:59<k1lumin4t1>nope
23:00<interbird>ahh
23:00<k1lumin4t1>nor dolphin nor device notifier
23:00<k1lumin4t1>but, k3b does
23:00<interbird>so, how do you mount it manually as you said you could ?
23:00<k1lumin4t1>and amarok does see audio CDs
23:00<k1lumin4t1>and kaffeine video ones
23:00<k1lumin4t1>I have a line in fstab for it
23:00<k1lumin4t1>so I just do mount -a
23:01<interbird>does lsscsi show the device? is it hdx or sdx or scdx or srx? do you know that ?
23:01<interbird>lscsi
23:01<interbird>mount -l
23:01<interbird>dunno...
23:02<interbird>ahh, maybe coment-out the line in fstab with a #
23:02<k1lumin4t1>let me see
23:02<k1lumin4t1>it is sr0
23:02<interbird>fstab is "mount-at-boot"; it overrides "removable media"
23:03<k1lumin4t1>hmm
23:03<k1lumin4t1>but I have the same line in my laptop
23:03<k1lumin4t1>and it works fine
23:03<k1lumin4t1>it's a SATA CD/DVD drive
23:03<k1lumin4t1>in my laptop is IDE
23:03<interbird>coumment-out the sr0 line in fstab with a # and then /etc/init.d/udev restart
23:03<k1lumin4t1>interbird, there's no lscsi command
23:03<k1lumin4t1>ok
23:04<k1lumin4t1>let me try that
23:04<k1lumin4t1>nothing
23:05<interbird>apt-get install lsscsi, but my guess is you have to comment-out the sr0 line in fstab and do a /etc/init.d/udev restart and reinsert the cd
23:05<k1lumin4t1>i did
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23:05<k1lumin4t1>and still nothing
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23:05<mason_>how do i sign in as root user to edit the sources.list
23:06<interbird>dunno kde -- evil... -- reboot
23:06<interbird>open a terminal
23:06<interbird>su
23:06<interbird>give password
23:06<k1lumin4t1>interbird, huh?
23:07<interbird>if password correct. #-prompt appears
23:08<mason_>is adobe flash plugin backport safe?
23:08<interbird>k1lumin4t1: sorry, i'm not a kde-dude; tried to propose some default things; if that does not help maybe #debian-kde can help you further
23:08<craigevil>mason_: as safe as using Flash normally is
23:09<k1lumin4t1>interbird, yes, I understand. I tried there, but no answer so far
23:09<interbird>adobe itself never safe...
23:09<k1lumin4t1>interbird, and I've been mingling with this issue for some weeks now
23:09<mason_>craigevil, thanks just making sure because to think of backport is like a back door opening. When computers first came out backport was used to hack things. Just making sure.
23:10<craigevil>mason_: backports are just newer packages that are made to run on lenny/stable
23:11<mason_>craigevil, thanks geese terms have changed so much.
23:11<interbird>no source, no safety
23:12<mason_>craigevil, now just to think why cant i save sources.list cause it doesnt give me permission.
23:12<craigevil>mason_: open a terminal then type su nano /etc/apt/sources.list enter your root password
23:13<mason_>craigevil, you mean sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
23:13<craigevil>if you have sudo setup sure
23:13<interbird>su
23:14<interbird>enter password
23:14<interbird>nano /etc/apt/sources.list
23:14<interbird>change file
23:14<interbird>ctrl-x
23:14<interbird>write changes
23:17<mason_>can some one give me link to backport for flash plugin i kinda lost it and google is being dumb.
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23:18<craigevil>add this line to your sources.list deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free the backports website is www.backports.org
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23:20<mason_>hmm it says after doing this my system wouldnt be stable any more is this true?
23:20<interbird>yes
23:20<interbird>you mix
23:20<mason_>i dont get what you mean interbird
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23:21<interbird>mason_: backports are not a part of your system
23:22<interbird>so, backports "could" make your system unstable
23:22<interbird>it means you go "out of bounds" for a thing not present in your system
23:23<interbird>so, going out of the "stable" debian branch (Lenny), with backports or mixed-updates, makes it non-Lenny
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23:23<interbird>neverland
23:23<craigevil>wtf backports are made for stable
23:24<interbird>no they are not; read the notice accompanied with backports
23:27<mason_>i get it so its still stable yet debian does not support it.
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23:27<mason_>atleast not yet.
23:27<mason_>but once they have tested it they can there for call it stable.
23:28<craigevil>mason_: stable doesnt get new packages other than security/bug fixes, backports is just a way to get newer packages
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23:29<interbird>something like that; so the answer to your question if backports can make your system unstable is yes and you are not on (pure) lenny anymore; practice is that backports are well tested and you should have no problems; still, if you do, don't say you run lenny because that is not true anymore...
23:30<mason_>well what if i uninstall the backport.
23:31<craigevil>interbird: that makes no sense, thats like saying you installed the opera .deb from opera.com and now your system isn't lenny
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23:32<interbird>craigevil: is opera in the lenny repository ?
23:33<craigevil>doesnt matter it doesnt change the fact that you are using lenny, jesus what are you RMS incognito
23:33<mason_>rms?
23:33-!-MrNaz [~mrnaz@ppp118-208-144-249.lns10.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:33<mason_>lol
23:34<interbird>craigevil: don't get nasty; i'm just saying that lenny is it's install and it's repositiries; if you install opera from their site, and it breaks lenny; who would be to blame?
23:34<interbird>lenny or opera?
23:34<mason_>if im correct its like saying im gonna install emerald theme manager. Yet im not on lennys system any more.
23:34<mason_>Because emerald theme manager isnt stable.
23:35<craigevil>thats not the point the point is you would still be using lenny
23:35<mason_>the key answer yes.
23:36<interbird>mason_: ok, then problems that arrive cannot be posted to the "lenny mailing list" because it's not "lenny" anymore... (catch my drift ?)
23:36<mason_>yes i do
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23:43<Student>it says temperorary failure resolving "ftp.us.debian.org
23:43<Student>is the server down?
23:44-!-nessie [~nessie@200.8.150.252] has joined #debian
23:44<interbird>open a terminal and do: ping ftp.us.debian.org; pings on my system (typo? missing quote? dunno)
23:45<interbird>!dunno
23:45<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dunno is what
23:47<interbird>iceweasel also connects
23:47<interbird>server seems not to be down
23:48<nessie>!dunno
23:48<dpkg>methinks dunno is what
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23:48<interbird>!extra
23:48<dpkg>extra is probably mo betta
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23:53<Student>ummmm
23:53<Student>there was a problem in my connection
23:53<Student>which has been fixed now
23:54<Student>well how can auto-configure my lan card so every time i start my computer it connects to dhcp server
23:54<Student>+ auto refresh its address with dhcp server in lenny
23:54<Student>in etch there was a network applet which is no more
23:54<Student>ummmm
23:55<interbird>sorry, the connection was lost for some time, you said you had a UMC87209ax lancard ?
23:55<Student>no
23:55<Student>a normal Network card
23:55<Student>nothing special about it
23:56<interbird>well, the UMC87209ax is quite normal/common
23:56<Student>ok
23:56<Student>so how to configure it so i don't have to go open network every time it goes or connection goes off?
23:57-!-mrrangerman43 [~dan@h75-100-231-204.mgtnmi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #debian
23:57<interbird>well, for the UMC87209ax, documentation should have been delivered in pdf format when you purchased it
23:58<mrrangerman43>anyone have time for a question?
23:58<interbird>!ask
23:58<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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