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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-07-02

---Logopened Thu Jul 02 00:00:05 2009
---Daychanged Thu Jul 02 2009
00:00<bash>the sid repo seems to be broken
00:00<bash>:/
00:00<bash>deb http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/sid-amd64/arch ./
00:00<bash>i keep getting 404 not found
00:01<adb>Smaffler1: first check that your pc/s MAY boot from usb stick
00:01<Smaffler1>it can
00:02<adb>Smaffler1: 1 partition may or no be enough , see docs
00:03<adb>2 G is to much , in my opinion , waste space
00:04<Smaffler1>adb: if I use one lareg partition, I can store the boot files alongside the music and other stored files, yes?
00:04<adb>Smaffler1: no
00:04<adb>2 partitions is ok
00:05<adb>first boot , second iso image + data
00:07<Smaffler1>ok, what size should the primary partition be and how do i make it?
00:07<adb> boot ~ 20 M
00:08<bash> http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/sid-amd64/arch/./Packages: 404 Not Found
00:09<bash>-_-
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00:17<ml|>adb: looks like bash is using sid eh?
00:17<adb>ml|: dunno
00:18<adb>ah , si si , right
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00:18<adb>our `bash` , heh
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00:19<ml|>adb: ok, just commenting since it was discourged forhim to do so, seems he found some poor sap to help ;)
00:19<bash>ya i am
00:19<bash>why?
00:19<ml|>!lart
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00:20<ml|>!lart bash
00:20*dpkg whacks bash with the cluebat
00:20<adb>bash: http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/sid-amd64/ ./
00:20<bash>!lart ml|
00:20*dpkg frags ml| with his BFG9000
00:20<bash>:D
00:21<adb>bash: put that line in sources list
00:21<ml|>bash: no reason sorry good luck
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00:22<adb>bash: and paste sources list to verify first doing wrongs steps
00:22<adb>wrong*
00:23<bash>?
00:24<adb>bash: you idiot ?
00:25<bash>no
00:25<bash>Why should i paste source list
00:25<ml|>bash: http://smxi.org/ craigevil recommends it for people like you using sid
00:26<adb>bash: to help you ...
00:26<ml|>bash: adb is trying to help you
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00:26<ml|>bash: how old are you?
00:26<bash>16
00:26<adb>bash: my 58
00:27<ml|>heh should had known
00:27<adb>..
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00:27<ml|>adb: not you bash
00:28<ml|>bash: seems you like to learn the hard way huh?
00:28<bash>yes
00:29<adb>ml|: help him to put ` http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/sid-amd64/ ./` in sources , so he'll not have last error .i'm out
00:29<ml|>good luck
00:29<ml|>adb: yes i saw but he doesn't want help
00:29<adb>i'm ko
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00:31<adb>ml|: tell him also to not paste here his errors . thanks night
00:31<ml|>adb: good night take care
00:32<bash>For Debian Sid AMD64 (unstable) add the following line to your sources.list:
00:32<bash>deb http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/sid-amd64/arch ./
00:32<bash>http://nightlies.videolan.org/
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00:33<ml|>Hideo: wb
00:33<Hideo>ml|: hi
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00:44<ml|>bash: so you gonna paste your sources.list
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00:46<ml|>oh well good luck
00:47<bash>y?
00:47<bash>What does this have to do with the source list?
00:48<bash>All i did was paste deb http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/sid-amd64/arch ./ into software sources....
00:48<bash>Then i removed it because of the 404 error.
00:49<bash>ml|:...
00:50<bremner>bash: here is the deal. We have the knowledge, you have the questions. If you don't cooperate, no one will help you.
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00:52<bash>bremner: If you want it, then you would know the reason why, so it shouldn't be that hard to post the reason.
00:52<bremner>yeah, well, this isn't debate club
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00:52<bash>This has nothing to do with debating
00:53<tCzern>hi, what application would help me to connect a bluetooth keyboard. I am using Gnome
00:53<ml|>bremner: < ml|> bash: seems you like to learn the hard way huh?
00:53<ml|>00:28:31 < bash> yes
00:53<bash>You dont need the source list at all for this....
00:53<bremner>ok, I'm done
00:53<ml|>ok you are right
00:54<bash>ml|: sarcasm
00:54<Hideo>what is the problem?
00:54<ml|>ok i'll one last time dunno why tho
00:54<ml|>*try
00:54<bash> http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/sid-amd64/arch/./Packages: 404 Not Found
00:55<bash>http://nightlies.videolan.org/
00:55<bash>For Debian Sid AMD64 (unstable) add the following line to your sources.list:
00:55<bash>deb http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/sid-amd64/arch ./
00:55<ml|>bash: where did you get that line to use in your sources.list
00:55<bash>http://nightlies.videolan.org/
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00:58<ml|>bash are you on amd64?
00:58<bash>yes
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01:00<Hideo>well I got 404 too, that repo isn't working
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01:03<snogglethorpe>hmm any guess as to a good amount of time to wait until the current ia32 mess/mega-fuckup is cleared up? a month?
01:03<snogglethorpe>(i mean, ia32-on-amd64)
01:04<ml|>Hideo: yeah me too
01:04<bash>I posted it on the VLC forums so hopefully they fix it.
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01:04<bash>http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=61576
01:05<bash>if you guys have a account on there confirm it plz
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01:05<ml|>bash: if you must know, we asked to see your sources.list to make sure they looked right
01:05<Hideo>yep, some people say they do things as verbatim in the direction, but don't actually do it
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01:07<ml|>bash: that might be up soon you never know
01:07<ml|>I would recommend mplayer :)
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01:10<MercinovA>Warning: Extreme NEWB Question... How do I permanently mount a partition or mount a partition as a normal user?
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01:12<ml|>dpkg: tell about MercinovA pmount
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01:12<ml|>dpkg: tell about MercinovA fstab
01:13<ml|>dpkg: tell MercinovA about fstab
01:13<MercinovA>I thott pmount was for removable media only...its not?
01:13<ml|>dpkg: tell MercinovA about pmount
01:13<MercinovA>k...trying now
01:13<Hideo>ml|: go to bed :P
01:13<ml|>yeah
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01:14<tCzern>interesting that no-one uses bluetooth here
01:14<ml|>dpkg: tell MercinovA about usbmount
01:14<Hideo>tCzern: very interesting indeed
01:15<tCzern>I am saying this because I didn;t get an answer, figured it out meanwhiel
01:15<ml|>tCzern: bluetooth generally sucks
01:15<jm_>MercinovA: put it in fstab
01:16<tCzern>I wanted to connect my apple keyboard, for that it is good enough
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01:17<ml|>tCzern: that sometimes doesn't even work right in macs ;)
01:17<tCzern>true
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01:17<tCzern>but I am too greedy to throw it away
01:18<ml|>yeah, just don't buy another :)
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01:18<tCzern>no
01:18<tCzern>got a bluetooth adapter for $9, works
01:19<tCzern>the mighty mouse from apple sucks too, btw
01:19<ml|>tCzern: i think what you are looking for is bluez package
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01:20<tCzern>checking
01:20<Steven_M>hi all
01:21<ml|>jm_: so pmount is only for removable devices? like usbmount
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01:21<tCzern>bluez is already installed
01:22<ml|>dpkg: tell tCzern about bluetooth
01:22<ml|>maybe that will help
01:23<Steven_M>will 5.2 DVD's be available for venders to on-sell soon?
01:23<ml|>for whatever reason i thought pmount was for much more
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01:27<jmarsden>Steven_M: They exist already, don't they: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2/i386/iso-dvd/
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01:28<Steven_M>ok
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01:32<MercinovA>thnx, ml| & jm_...need to reboot...
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01:32<ml|>np
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01:42<jm_>ml|: well you can use it for other stuff too
01:43<ml|>ok, for partitions etc...
01:48<snogglethorpe>what's the range on bluetooth anyway?
01:48<ml|>few feet?
01:49<Hideo>30 feet I thought, but then that might be exargerrated
01:50<ml|>effective range of Bluetooth devices is 32 feet (10 meters
01:50<snogglethorpe>so probably not enough for e.g. a telephone handset you wanna walk around with
01:50<ml|>!beer Hideo
01:50*dpkg pours a pint of Spaten Optimator for Hideo
01:50<Hideo>:P
01:50<jm_>heh we tried some games on early bluetooth phones and it was about 2-3m
01:52<ml|>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth#Uses
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01:52<ml|>heh 100m
01:53<Hideo>yeah, I had a bluetooth mouse that would drop out midgame if you happen to place a cup of water nearby
01:53<snogglethorpe>maybe it was thirsty
01:53<ml|>hah
01:54<ml|>Hideo: still have that?
01:54<Hideo>ml|: no, I returned it, it was a piece of crap
01:54<ml|>hehe :)
01:55<ml|>i find usb wireless way better
01:55<Hideo>is that a new technology?
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01:56<ml|>nope
01:56<ml|>i was talking about mice keyboards
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01:58<Hideo>!UWB
01:58<dpkg>methinks uwb is Ultra Wide Band, or at http://www.uwb.org
01:59<ml|>heh
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02:11<MercinovA>ok...I'm a bit confused about permissions and need a clarification...if a disk/partition is mounted as root, then I have to assign a user as root to get permission to read/write...correct?
02:11<MercinovA>err...add user to root group...
02:12<less>No, that does not sound correct to me.
02:12<MercinovA>k...I can't write to the files on my /home/user...how do I fix this?
02:13<dondelelcaro>MercinovA: what filesystem is /home?
02:13<MercinovA>ext3
02:13<jm_>MercinovA: what kind of fs?
02:13<dondelelcaro>MercinovA: then you just chown appropriately
02:14<MercinovA>such as chown /home/user?
02:15<dondelelcaro>MercinovA: using chown properly, perhaps.
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02:17<MercinovA>I'm newb...guess I'll google chown...but I'm trying to allow permissions to read/write not only to the ext3 /root, but another vfat partition as well...which is also mounted as "root", eventhough I specified rw, user in fstab...
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02:19<MercinovA>I want to allow permissions on a permanent basis...not run a script everytime I reboot my system...
02:21<less>The chown lasts over reboots.
02:21<less>s/lasts/persists/
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02:25<MercinovA>from what I'm reading...the syntax for chown is ; chown [options] user:group file1 file2...I don't want to assign ownership of files...I want ownership of my user space and the vfat partition...
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02:27<ml|>MercinovA: man fstab
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02:28<sathish>hi
02:28<MercinovA>I edited fstab...that's when I lost control of my user space...but I didn't alter the /ext3 options at all...that's why I'm confused...
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02:29<MercinovA>sathish: my accept button isn't working...
02:31<MercinovA>all I added to fstab was: /dev/sda6 /media/disk vfat rw,user 0 0....is that correct for allowing a user to have read/write privy to that partition?
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02:33<MercinovA>be back after reboot...
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02:45<Yoda-BZH`Wk>plop/hi
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02:45<Nazcafan>hello
02:46<Nazcafan>I have installed the openjdk.
02:46<Nazcafan>Is it necessary to keep all the gcj related packages?
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03:10<sylar>why when I reply to a bug I don't see my reply listed?
03:10<jm_>sylar: it takes a while I think
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03:11<sylar>jm_, it's been a day i think
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03:12<jm_>sylar: ahh then it should be there
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03:28<stuckey>Anyone know of a program to convert .doc files to something else? Like .pdf?
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03:32<twb>stuckey: antiword
03:32<twb>Or if you have a GUI and about 4GiB of memory and enjoy pain, openoffice.org
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03:35<stuckey>twb: there's also catdoc
03:35<twb>catdoc is for RTF afaict
03:35<stuckey>How do I check to see which repository something is in at the command line?
03:35<twb>I use antiword for actual word docs, because it seems to be more recent and accurate
03:35<twb>stuckey: apt-cache policy
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04:44<InkBottle>Hi, would someone know why ngspice is non-free though it's said that it's part of a "full gpl'd..."?
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04:45<InkBottle>also how to put it on an "amd64"
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04:47<InkBottle>sorry I remove the first question :)
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04:48<svein>judd pciid 8086:10de
04:48<judd>svein: [8086:10de] is '82567LM-3 Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'e1000e' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10de
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04:55<snogglethorpe>judd: I have the same thing
04:55<judd>snogglethorpe: Error: "I" is not a valid command.
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04:56<snogglethorpe>i think i needed to installed, mmmm, kernel 2.6.27 maybe? to recognize that card
04:57<snogglethorpe>makes installing via net an annoying multi-step process
04:58<themill>InkBottle: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/08/msg00244.html
05:00<themill>snogglethorpe: try the kmuto installer ; /msg dpkg kmuto
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05:01<themill>InkBottle: see also http://lists.debian.org/debian-science/2009/03/msg00081.html
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05:01<InkBottle>themill: ok :), have you got an idea to have it in amd64 version?
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05:02<themill>InkBottle: it presumably fails to build on amd64. no idea why though... you'd have to "apt-get source ngspice" and find out for yourself (unless it's mentioned in the debian-science mailing list -- look at the archives as th epackage has been discussed a couple of times)
05:03<InkBottle>thanks :)
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05:25<locklace>!qotd0
05:25<dpkg><TCossuto> is p2p still active? Does debian support p2p?
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05:44<leikh>why isn't mod_tls compiled into the proftpd package (lenny)?
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05:51<FairFight>Someone who wants to guide me through installing pure-ftpd ? Please, i've tried 100 times now, but cant get the server to run correctly
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06:01<gsimmons>leikh: It's provided as a dynamic shared object module (mod_tls.so) in proftpd-basic.
06:02<leikh>gsimmons: so "aptitude install proftpd-basic" will give me everything I need?
06:03<leikh>gsimmons: to run tls, that is...
06:03<gsimmons>leikh: If that is all you require, sure.
06:03<leikh>gsimmons: thx
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06:06<prahal_>hi I got too many open files (EMFILE) error while strace trackerd ... I already raised max_user_watches to 400000, files-max to 600000 and ulimit to 600000 :-( I am out of guesses (and the error messages provides no clue on what setting could be at fault
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06:07<prahal_>I have 189000 monitored by tracker
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06:08<leikh>gsimmons: just installed proftpd-basic. mod_tls doesn't show up when I do "proftpd -l"
06:08<prahal_>is there any other setting I may have missed ?
06:08<gsimmons>leikh: Why should it?
06:09<leikh>gsimmons: ah, now I see. Shared module, not compiled...
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06:34<D6>Hello guys. How soon FF 3.5 with xulrunner-1.9.1 will be added to the repository? Ubuntu Karmic already contains them
06:35<jm_>D6: when it's ready
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06:36<D6>jm_: Yeah, right :) But how soon? A week? A month? Just for information...
06:37<jm_>D6: someone asked the maintainer, that's his response - when it's ready; xulrunner 1.9.1 is already packaged
06:38<D6>oghh, it's cool! I need just xulrunner, hope he will add it to the repo
06:38<D6>thanks
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07:11<vvas>hi *
07:11<vvas>the new multi-arch thing is... interesting
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07:13<Stummi>Hoi, nochmal eine Frage zum Shell-Scripting: Gibts eine möglichkeit, ein zeichen bzw ein string n mal hintereinander zu hängen?
07:13<Stummi>also ich übergebe als parameter z.B. "-" und "5" und erhalte "-----"
07:13<locklace>...
07:13<locklace>!de
07:13<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
07:13<Stummi>ups, sry
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07:16<Flo_>hello
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07:18<Flo_>Im running on Debian Lenny. I would like to configure my usb headset. I have already done that but when I tried to adjust the volume with the button located on my headset, the adjustment wasnt symmetric, so i backed up the default parameters. COuld someone help me?
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07:21<robin>hi anyone i just install fedora
07:21<robin>11
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07:21<robin>i tru to install xchat but it say robin is not in the sudoers file
07:22<robin>wAt is e meaning
07:22<locklace>why did you just join #debian to ask about fedora
07:24<robin>all ubder linux mah
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07:30<locklace>!lart robin
07:30*dpkg drops a truckload of VAXen on robin
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07:52<fal>zdravím, potřeboval bych pár rad ze začátku, našel by se nějaký ochotný člověk? =)
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07:54<jm_>!cz
07:54<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
07:56<fal>halo halo?
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08:01<fal>so... could anyone help me and give me some advice for start?
08:01<locklace>not unless you ask a real question
08:02<fal>okay, so I need to fill my sources.list file but don't know any server
08:03<locklace>!tell fal about mirrors
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08:05<fal>I need something like medibuntu to find mstcorefonts, skype, etc.
08:05<OdyX>you need to find a replacement to skype (ekiga, kphone, ...) and to mstcorefonts (liberation)...
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08:06<fal>I don't want replacement... I need skype and fonts as well
08:06<locklace>!skype
08:06<dpkg>[skype] a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <pidgin> or <linphone> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype
08:06<OdyX>!msttcorefonts
08:06<dpkg>i guess msttcorefonts is a <contrib> package that will install the last distributable versions of Microsoft's "Core" fonts (Times New Roman, Arial, Courier New, Trebuchet, Andale, Verdana, Impact, Georgia, Comic Sans, Webdings). These can alternatively be downloaded manually from http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ (ask me about <install font>). From lenny onwards, this package is called ttf-mscorefonts-installer. See also <liberation>.
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08:07<fal>restricted formats support (mp3, mpeg...)
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08:08<fal>there was some source for those fonts and skype... but just don't know which one
08:08<vvas>check out debian-multimedia.org
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08:08<OdyX>fal: to decode it's no problem normally
08:09<OdyX>!tell fal about debian-multimedia
08:11<fal>I would appreciate if someone gave me few lines for sources.list. I don't want to download several things by clicking in browser.
08:12<OdyX>!tell fal about sources.list
08:12<locklace>fal: consider reading. all the information you're asking for, and more, has been provided
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08:14<fal>some chinese and japanese fonts?
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08:16<OdyX>try to play with dpkg... /msg dpkg japanese fonts
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08:21<leikh>I don't want the tilde (~) in userdir-url. I guess I have to use mod_alias, but what's the syntax?
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08:27<Bunnyh>Is there a way to configure which daemons are restarted and which aren't upon upgrading their packages? I would like to upgrade my packages without having to check if the samba server will be restarted during the upgrade
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08:28<OdyX>what problem do you have with samba being restarted ?
08:28<Bunnyh>I can't access the files, and I am using files over samba all the time
08:28<OdyX>if it is restarted, it is certainly for a good reason...
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08:29<OdyX>take e.g. security updates - if you don't restart the deamon, your binary will leave in the limbs of being connected to unknown config files and such... and you won't benefit from the upgrade...
08:30<BigBen>why when i use radeonhd 1.2.5, scrolling in windows are very slow (i'm sorry for my scrubby english)?
08:30<OdyX>if you don't want to restart the service, its that you don't want the upgrade...
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08:31<locklace>judd versions xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
08:31<judd>locklace: xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd -- lenny: 1.2.1-2 squeeze: 1.2.1-2 sid: 1.2.5-1
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08:31<BigBen>i use sid
08:31<BigBen>witch kernel 2.6.30
08:31<locklace>BigBen: check what accel method is active from xorg.log and consider asking in #radeonhd on irc.freenode.net
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08:31<BigBen>with kernel 2.6.30
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08:32<OdyX>!sid
08:32<dpkg>[sid] the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>.
08:32<Torsten_W>BigBen, apt-get install firmware-linux
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08:39<BigBen>i must restart computer
08:39<BigBen>i will back
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08:43<vvas>hm, does anyone here have experience with this new ia32-apt-get thingy? why does it create list entries in both /etc/apt/{i386,amd64}/ and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, and what's the difference?
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08:45<OdyX>vvas: avoid it if you can !!!
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08:45<vvas>oh, why?
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08:48<OdyX>vvas: if you use aptitude or anything non-apt-get, you'll get a horribly broken system.
08:48<OdyX>It is subject to controversy (see recent discussions on debian-devel)
08:48<OdyX>it is supposed to mimick real multiarch support which is on the rails (since Potato...)
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08:51<vvas>heh, i can't handle the volume of debian-devel
08:52<vvas>but thanks for the warning, i guess i'll have to be extra careful with dselect
08:52<BigBen>when i install firmware-linux i have only black screen and mouse
08:54<adb>vvas: for moment remove `/etc/apt/sources.list.d/` and check /etc/apt/sources.list for correctness
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08:55<vvas>yeah already done that
08:56<vvas>added the pinning entries too
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09:06<themill>vvas: reading d-devel once every day or two with a news reader through gmane makes the volume more tractable. Liberal use of "ignore thread" and "mark thread as read" helps too.
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09:08<OdyX>I do also read MLs through gmane... themill's strategy is the correct one... just don't bother getting tracted into discussion that don't interest you..
09:08<themill>having the reply feature in the news reader disabled seems to be a good way of doing that :)
09:09<ml|>heh
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09:11<andrew>hey
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09:11<andrew>does network-manager-gnome not come with debian any more?
09:12<vvas>hehe, well I'd leave the discussions in there for the actual DDs anyway
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09:14<ml|>OdyX: what is the best list to follow there, debian wise gmane.linux.debian.devel.changes.unstable ??
09:15<ml|>or recommended
09:16<OdyX>ml|: .changes.unstable doesn't carry much information that you can't get trough apt-listchanges
09:16<OdyX>I use aptitude's ncurses ui with MAJ-C to get the changes before installing...
09:16<ml|>ah get that already
09:17<OdyX>.changes.unstable is only a ML with all that flows into unstable...
09:17<OdyX> very low S/N ratio
09:17<ml|>got it there are soo many not sure wich is best to follow
09:17<OdyX>.devel.announce, .user.security.announce are mandatory IMHO...
09:18<OdyX>then comes .project for general things and sometimes some politics
09:18<ml|>heh politics :)
09:18<OdyX>.general is the arena with all types of subjects and beasts..
09:19<ml|>OdyX: so you update inside aptitude with 'u' that = safe-upgrade?
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09:20<vvas>i just follow devel-annouce
09:20<OdyX>let me re-try... the sequence is now hard-wired in my fingers..
09:20<ml|>hehe
09:21<vvas>security-announce i stopped following since i stopped having boxen that run stable
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09:21<OdyX>"u" = update ; MAJ-"u" to prepare the upgrade , "g" to see the changes and "g" to get them
09:22<OdyX>anywhere MAJ-"c" to see the changelog
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09:22<ml|>ok but what is MAJ-c ?
09:22<ml|>MAJ-u
09:23<OdyX>download the changelog (needs apt-listchanges installed AFAIK)
09:23<vvas>hm
09:23<ml|>OdyX: yes
09:23<vvas>does anyone have a quick recipe for finding all the dangling symlinks under a directory?
09:23<OdyX>then I correct the problems, freeze the packages I don't want to see upgraded and upgrade...
09:23<OdyX>never any problem
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09:35<embar>Hello
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09:35<embar>I have Debian 5 + Gnome
09:36<embar>But I have a problem. Can any body try to help to resolv it ?
09:36<embar>I mean the kryboard layoults
09:36<embar>*keyboard
09:37<patrikf>!problem
09:37<dpkg>it has been said that problem is something that can be solved, fixed or worked around if properly described. A good thorough description of the problem, with detailed steps of how to reproduce the problem, the produced output, and the expected output, is the best start to discuss a problem.
09:37<embar>When I set English and Bulgarian lauolt from keyboard options it works fine untel next restart
09:37<embar>until
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09:38<embar>Then I must enter into settings again and recheck the square af "Alt + Shift layoult switching" and work again
09:39<embar>But why it forget the setting ?
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09:39<enouf>embar: one workaround would be to put that into your xorg.conf .. but that won't fix your gnome applet settings thingy
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09:40<embar>I try to set some rows into xorg.conf, but without result
09:40<enouf>embar: but the workaround should work for all X apps == or /msg dpkg gnome
09:40<embar>Section "InputDevice"
09:40<embar> Identifier "Keyboard0"
09:40<embar> Driver "kbd"
09:40<embar> Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
09:40<embar> Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
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09:41<OdyX>just before the good line...
09:41<enouf>heh
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09:41<embar>Re
09:41<enouf>embar: use a Pastebin
09:41<enouf>!pastebin
09:41<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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09:41<embar>okey
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09:42<enouf> Option "XkbLayout" "us,de"
09:42<enouf> Option "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle"
09:42<embar>Do you know what I can test to resolv problem ?
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09:43<enouf>embar: add those two lines, or replace whatever yuo did wrong - and edit the us,de to be us,WhateverBulgarianIs
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09:44<embar>Ok, I will try. Thank you very much! :)
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09:57<vvas>uf, done with switching my previous hacks to the new ia32 scheme
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09:57<SeLEct>hello, anyone good with pureftpd here?
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09:59<the-dude>SeLEct: what do you want?
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10:00<SeLEct>i want to know if anyone knows how to change location of where pure-ftpd places the temorary files. For exempel i want to have all temp files in a folder named "/home/user/temp".
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10:00<SeLEct>With temp files i mean, when someone tries to upload something and pure creates an tempfile
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10:27<drakeman>Good morning to everyone!
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10:28<ml|>drakeman: morning
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10:28<drakeman>ml|, hey!!!
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11:37<vvas>heh, extremely useful for this channel: /ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS
11:37<locklace>!qotd0
11:37<dpkg><antgel__>wols_: that was my question. i have established that the best method could be to open the disc and use a small magnet to get all the 1s and 0s in the right places
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11:40<dantti>I did what http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#A.27clocksource.2BAC8-0.3ATimewentbackwards.27 tells but my domU still freezes at startup any tips?
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11:46<the-dude>dantti: you fixed domU and dom0 option?
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11:47<dantti>the-dude: you mean domU.cfg file right? (not dom0)
11:47<dantti>that extra=... part
11:48<the-dude>dantti: config of domU needs to be fixed to
11:48<the-dude>what do you see when you attach a console?
11:49<dantti>the-dude: well I did what that page says, domU sysctly and domU.cfg...
11:49<the-dude>then you stopped it and started it again?
11:50<dantti>the-dude: well i saw the time wen backwards when i rebooted my server, but when i do xm create -c i sais"Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method." and freezes a bit after..
11:50<dantti>yep xm destroy ... and xm create (shutdown didn't work..)
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11:51<the-dude>how did you added this line xen.independent_wallclock=1 if you can't log in?
11:51<dantti>xen-tools from lenny seems to be a bit broken, reiserfs for example receives the wrong options in fstab
11:51<dantti>the-dude: i mounted the lvm partition
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11:52<the-dude>hmz it fixed my problem after following instructions
11:54<dantti>i've been trying to set up a domU since yesterday and no lucky at all... with xen-tools or with that .cfg that issues the installer.. not lucky at all :P
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11:56<dantti>with that page cfg file i got "Error: Boot loader didn't return any data!"
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11:57<petemc>that means you dont have grub config for the domU
11:57<petemc>most often..
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11:58<palkeo>hi, i'm on an eeePC, on debian testing. and the wifi doesn't works. I have installed the package eeepc-acpi-script, i can activate/desactiate the wifi card, but when i do « iwscan wlan0 scan » i obtain « no scan result », but there is a lot of wifi access points… and i saw them with another computer… do you have any suggestion ?
11:59<petemc>i dont have an eee, but does the wifi card need firmware?
11:59<dantti>petemc: hmm that might be true, since i tweak the config a lot to change the disk to use lvm, and at the end it didn't installed grub :) so my fault here..
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12:00<petemc>dantti: not sure if you need grub installed, a simple /boot/grub/grub.conf should be sufficient
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12:02<dantti>petemc: well seems it's not :(
12:02<petemc>hmm?
12:02<dantti>so sad I manages hundreds of xen machines on etch, now i can't get even one running :P
12:02<petemc>whats the problem?
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12:03<dantti>noone of my xen machines starts... :(
12:03<cheche>hi
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12:03<petemc>dantti: /usr/lib/xen-3.2-1/bin/pygrub /domu/mnt/point/boot/grub/grub.conf - what does that output?
12:04<miguel_>is there a wol client?
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12:04<petemc>miguel_: apt-cache search wake on lan
12:04<cheche>wol=wake on lan?
12:04<miguel_>ya
12:04<cahoot>palkeo: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC
12:04<petemc>there are several
12:05<petemc>dantti: in case its not clear, i was suggesting you mount the fs for the domU somewhere and ask pygrub to look at its config
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12:06<dantti>petemc: yep, i got it, but there isn't such file..
12:06<miguel_>does wake on lan uses port 9?
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12:06<petemc>dantti: so theres your problem
12:06<cheche>can anyone give me some info on the next error?
12:06<cheche> hda: status error: status=0x58
12:06<petemc>dantti: as i suggested before, create one and put a working config in it
12:06<cheche>hda is a CD Drive
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12:07<dantti>petemc: of that machine must be.. but how will i create one, can i copy it from dom0 or a deboostraped machine?
12:07<dantti>*might
12:07<petemc>dantti: its a text file, you can create it with a text editor
12:07<cheche>i get this error 5 times every minute
12:08<dantti>k, what do i put inside
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12:08<petemc>dantti: http://pastie.org/532193
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12:09<dantti>petemc: k, let me try thanks
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12:11<dantti>petemc: should i change the kernel to my dom0 one?
12:11<petemc>does the domU not have a kernel?
12:11<petemc>how did you install it?
12:12<dantti>that domU i installed with debinstaller so it has one but it's amd64 , obviouly i should switch it.... :P
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12:12<petemc>change it to whatever you have in /boot/ of the domU...
12:12<cheche>how can i see all the bugs on a specific kernel?
12:13<cheche>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686
12:13<cheche>give me a whole lot
12:13<cheche>but only one bug.
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12:13<petemc>cheche: the error you're seeing is usually caused by a dodgy disk or cable, not a kernel bug
12:14<cheche>ok petemc
12:14<cheche>the resona i am saying that is because i saw same error but as a ubuntu bug
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12:14<cheche>they were using the same motherboard
12:15<cheche>or similar
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12:15<cheche>but it was an unresolved bug
12:15<petemc>or potentially mislabled
12:15<petemc>mislabeled, even
12:15<cheche>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/126898
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12:16<cheche>mislabled sound like a wrong label :-)
12:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 397] by debhelper
12:17<dantti>petemc: i'm installing a new one that will have grub installed, that one didn't work.. same error..
12:18<cheche>Apparently that case was fixed by compiling with a CONFIG_PATA_JMICRON=m . my motherboard has the JMICRON so that is why i was looking for a kernel bug
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12:19<Yonut27>Using Lenny 2.6.26-2-686, and when I am playing any sounds, I am having problems with volume control. I had to setup hotkeys for volume as I don't have a multimedia keyboard. The keys work, as for as showing the volume moving up and down, but the sound never changes. I either have to use the actual slider on my taskbar, or use the programs volume control. How can I fix this problem?
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12:22<leikh>as of today, I suddenly have a new process running; /usr/sbin/named. What's that? It consumes about 80MB memory...
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12:23<cheche>Yonut27. double click on the speaker and you will see a menu are you able to see any progress?
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12:23<cheche>leikh: that process is from bind a dns resolver
12:24<leikh>cheche: did it come with proftpd or pureftpd?
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12:24<cheche>check apt for that
12:24<Yonut27>cheche: I get a volume control window: CA0106 (Alsa mixer). But what do yuo mean by 'am I able to see any prograss'?
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12:25<Yonut27>progress*
12:25<cheche>Yonut27: are you able to change the hardware under file?
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12:25<Yonut27>yup, but doesn't change
12:26<Yonut27>alsa mixer and an oss mixer
12:26<cheche>Yonut27: did you try with both?
12:26<Yonut27>yup
12:27<cheche>Yonut27: no idea how to follow on that :-(
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12:29<Yonut27>it is like the mixer is working properly, as I can change volume from menubar control slider. The problem seems to be with what nautilus uses to change the volume when hotkeys are used. Like I said, there is a window that appears when you use the hotkeys, showing the volume changing, and even muting, but it never changes the volume. And when you check the menubar slider, it hasn't changed either.
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12:36<cheche>Hi,
12:36<cheche>I think that I found the bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=458493
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12:36<cheche> linux-image-2.6 and JMicron IDE controller
12:38<sney`>nice, that bug comes with a relatively easy fi
12:38<sney`>x
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12:38<sney`>if only they were all so simple
12:40<cheche>but it means that i have to upgrade to an unstable version
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12:42<cheche>sney: what is your suggestion on that fix?
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12:43<sney`>unstable? no, you just need to rebuild your existing kernel.
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12:44<sney`>with a different option, you see. then you'll have the module that works instead of the module that doesn't work.
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12:45<sney`>though I'm having some trouble understanding why "scsi named devices are hard" is a rational reason to not change that config in the default shipping kernel
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12:45<sney`>you know, because they aren't hard at all
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12:46<Yonut27>ok I think I narrowed the problem. My sound is coming out from my 'Analog Front' speakers, but the hotkeys actually change the 'Analog Rear' speakers (which aren't used). Any idea on how to change it?
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12:47<miguel>hello
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12:49<cheche>sney, ok, so you suggest rebuild the kernel. what is the best procedure to do ti under debian make-kpkg?
12:49<sney`>yes as I recall
12:49<sney`>you should read the man pages since it's been a long time since I've done it, I probably don't remember the steps correctly
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12:50<cheche>no worries, same problem here.. :-9
12:50<cheche>:-D
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12:51<ml|>http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/
12:51<cheche>i could use a backport as well i guess
12:52<cheche>thanks ml|
12:52<sney`>if it has the right module anyway
12:52<ml|>np
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12:53<cheche>well, on that bug they suggested that the problem was fixed on the 2.6.30
12:54<ml|>judd: kernel
12:54<judd>ml|: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.30-trunk-686 (2.6.30-1~experimental.1~snapshot.13813); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-1); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
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13:00<woocyfear>hello
13:00<woocyfear>i need help
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13:00<dantti>petemc: my installation with the debinstaller is hanging at apt part, but i did another one with xen-tools and did just what that deb page says about the clock and still not working
13:00<catap>woocyfear: can you say a question?
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13:04<woocyfear>i'm an idiot, i removed /etc/mysql, and now i'can't install mysql
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13:05<cahoot>!confmiss
13:05<dpkg>the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
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13:12<woocyfear>dpkg --force-confmiss mysql-server ------ not working
13:12<dpkg>woocyfear: are you smoking crack?
13:12<woocyfear>no :) , why?
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13:16<adb>woocyfear: bot says ` apt-get -o ..` not dpkg ...
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13:22<ml|>woocyfear: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>
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13:22<leikh>I'm having some trouble with Apache. After adding "RewriteCond /home/$1 -d" and "RewriteRule ^/([^/]+)/?(.*) /home/$1/www_docs/$2" within <VirtualHost *:80>, I cant access my base url; foobar.com. In error.log I see: "File does not exist: /home/foobar"). Suggestions?
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13:28<leikh>I'm sorry! It wasn't the rewrite that caused the problem. It's vhost_alias: "ServerAlias *.foobar.com" and "VirtualDocumentRoot /home/%1/www_docs". Suggestions?
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13:46<woocyfear>yes, it works;; I reistalled so mysql-common
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13:46<woocyfear>another question: flash plugin for firefox
13:47<woocyfear>i have the official firefox tar.bz2 for their site
13:47<woocyfear>from
13:48<woocyfear>how to install flash plugin??
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13:53<woocyfear>any idea?
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13:56<woocyfear>can somebody help me?
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13:56<kmap>woocyfear: Put it in ~/.mozilla/plugins
13:56<kmap>It should work.
13:56<woocyfear>i found much tutorial on the net but not working either
13:57<kmap>woocyfear: OK, so have you extracted it?
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13:57<woocyfear>/home/woocyfear/.mozilla/plugins ???
13:57<kmap>Wait. Have you extracted the plugin?
13:57<woocyfear>i found more plugin too
13:58<woocyfear>yes i extracted
13:58<woocyfear>but if i copy to this folder firefox freezing
13:58<kmap>OK, not put the libflash_whatever.so file in that directory
13:58<kmap>Oh, that's strange. Then it's a Firefox issue...
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13:59<kmap>I am not sure about it. If there's an issue with the Debian package, you cold file a bug
13:59<woocyfear>what to do now?
13:59<kmap>Sincee this isn't the Debian package, you're out of luck. Try to find out if someone else is experiencing issues with this version of Firefox+Flash
13:59<kmap>Similar issues that is.
14:00<woocyfear>and one more question
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14:01<woocyfear>compiz
14:01<woocyfear>i would like to install
14:01<kmap>!compiz
14:01<dpkg>[compiz] a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <XGL> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net.
14:02<woocyfear>i already installed more times more packakeg
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14:03<woocyfear>sometimes i have to reinstall nvidia drive to get gdm to work
14:03<woocyfear>and compiz nerver worked yet
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14:04<kmap>woocyfear: To get better answers, write a clearly worded e-mail to debian-user@lists.debian.org if people in IRC can't help resolve your problem
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14:10<woocyfear>and i can't press remember password button in firefox
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14:11<dwendt>I keep getting messages on all the terminals I open saying "Message from syslogd@NE-Reborn at Jul 2 14:10:49 ... kernel:[ 3193.870168] do_IRQ: 0.91 No irq handler for vector" anyone know what this means and how to turn it off?
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14:12<cahoot>I'd google the msg
14:12<dwendt>will do
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14:18<edbian>What browser do you use??
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14:19<cahoot>who?
14:19<locklace>!tell edbian about popcon
14:20<Guest323>I DONT SPEAK ENGLISH
14:20<edbian>locklace: thanks
14:20<locklace>!slap Guest323
14:20*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across Guest323's face
14:20<cahoot>only very oud
14:20<cahoot>meh
14:20<edbian>Guest323: Do you know what cartoon from the 90's that you're quoting?
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14:31<Tuplad>I've plugged in my external hdd but it doesn't automount like it used to :o how can I find it its address so I can mount it manually ?
14:32<woocyfear>i copied my old /var/lis/mysql databese folder to my current system, but mysql don't se every table
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14:32<woocyfear>what can be the problem
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14:35<Tuplad>I've pluged my external hdd in but it doesn't mount, how do I mount it properly ?
14:35<Gathond>woocyfear: is it the same version of mysql?
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14:35<woocyfear>i'm not sure
14:36<Gathond>I would start by checking that
14:36<woocyfear>oh, i used innodb engine, i think theese are hidden
14:36<Gathond>and if copying the files is allowed between versions
14:36<cahoot>tried the manpage for mount?
14:37<cahoot>Tuplad: ^^
14:37<Tuplad>cahoot: hehe, good idea >_< fixed it already
14:37<woocyfear>i don't see neither innodb table
14:37<woocyfear>i need to install it?
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14:40<woocyfear>no, it is installed
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14:40<woocyfear>but what can i do now?
14:42<woocyfear>any idea?
14:43<Gathond>depends, on the level of data I don't believe copying INNODB files is the way to move databases, I believe the traditional way is a backup and restore
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14:49<woocyfear>but what can i do now?
14:49<cheche>as Gathond said, try to install same version of mysql and do a backup and restore
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14:50<woocyfear>but i don't know which version i had
14:51<woocyfear>i sucked?
14:51<cheche>no, what version of debian was installed
14:51<cheche>no, what version of debian was installed?
14:51<woocyfear>it was windows
14:51<woocyfear>before 4-56 days, i installed linux
14:51<cheche>ok, can you install windows in any machine?
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14:52<woocyfear>no
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14:52<cheche>install virtualbox
14:52<cheche>http://www.virtualbox.org/
14:53<cheche>install windows inside
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14:53<cheche>then install mysql
14:53<woocyfear>wmware not good?
14:53<cheche>copy the files
14:53<cheche>whatever virtual solution as you happy with
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14:53<Gathond>virtualbox is probably installable with apt though
14:54<woocyfear>on virtualbox i need to install windows first?
14:54<cheche>yes, it is
14:54<cheche>http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
14:54<cheche>then install windows after
14:54<cheche>woocyfear: happy now?
14:55<Gathond>woocyfear: yes, but that is essentially true about every one of them, unless you happen to have a VM already installed for virtualbox
14:55<woocyfear>yes :o)
14:55<jrabbit>you install into a VM unless you want to migrate you existing iwndows install
14:55<cheche>ok, my question: what is the debian way to disable a kernel module (jmicron)
14:56<woocyfear>thank for help, i will try now
14:57<cheche>adding "blacklist jmicron" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ?
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14:59<kop>At what point in the iptables processing does tcpdump capture packets? If I've a iptables rule that rejects a packet will I see the packet with tcpdump?
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15:02<dkr>kop: I think you would see it if listening with tcpdump on the right interface
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15:10<kop>dkr: I think so too, in that I've blocked something and I see the
15:10<kop>packet coming in.
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15:20<ubuntu_>man, the dpkg bot is so amusing
15:20<ubuntu_>try "sex"
15:20<ubuntu_>dpkg: sex
15:20<dpkg>updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep
15:21<cahoot>cute - now try /msg dpkg <factoid> ubuntu_
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15:29<sylock_>hi. I'm using squid 2.6. I have not enough filedescriptors availble for the squid caching. I read that in 2.7 we can change the max_filedescriptors in the squid.conf but not in the 2.6 as I am. I read that with 2.6, the value is controlled by ulimit. So I added into /etc/security/limits.conf this line : "proxy hard nofile 8192". After that, I restarted squid. But my modif had no effect. the command "squidclient mgr:info | grep 'file descri'" give me 1024 a
15:29<sylock_>s the max file descriptor and not 8192.
15:29<slush>kop: tcpdump just listens to incoming traffic, it doesn't look at iptables rules
15:30<sylock_>so here is my question : how can I modify this ulimit value to make squid be aware of.
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15:31<sylock_>indeed, I am on Debian etch
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15:40<kop>slush : So, if tcpdump sees it then it's on the wire? (Which implies that you can't tell if a packet will be blocked if it's incoming, but if it's outgoing then you know it made it out.)
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15:41<slush>kop: if you want to know if the iptables rule is triggered, use iptables -L INPUT -v
15:42<slush>where INPUT is the name of the chain where your rule resides
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15:43<kop>slush: I did that, but I was looking to watch the packets to confirm that my understanding of the rules is right.
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15:44<kop>slush : No substitute for checking against real life.
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15:46<slush>not sure, iirc there is a tool for it
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15:55<mason_>hello, i have a problem i installed wine on my debian and now i try running a game which has a patcher and online playability. But this warning pops up after running the exe and it says this file is installed but another file is not so uninstall this file or install the other one.
15:56<kop>slush: I thought I remembered a way to test, but maybe that was ipfilter. Anyhow, I don't see anything in iptables.
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16:00<mason_>any one have any ideas.
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16:03<kop>mason_: You could do what it suggests.
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16:04<mason_>i have no idea what it is though.
16:04<mason_>or how to install it.
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16:13<tansel>hallo
16:13<tansel>\join #wikipedia
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16:13<slush>kop: http://www.howtoforge.com/test_your_linux_firewall_with_ftester
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16:18<xu>Hi
16:18<slush>kop: and there is nothing wrong with iptables, it works like a charm and is very flexible
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16:19<locklace>!start a firewall war
16:19<dpkg>OpenBSD's pf *owns* your sorry little ipfw ass.
16:19<slush>sigh :)
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16:20<bja>slush: never mind, that and uuca are his favorites
16:20<ml|>hehe
16:20<locklace>no, lart is my favourite
16:21<locklace>i wish i never had to use uuoc, but people keep fucking up
16:21<ml|>nah you like ;)
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16:22<bja>locklace: ml| is right, you like that one most
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16:23<locklace>seeing people write "cat file | grep ..." makes me want to gouge my eyes out with the shards of a broken bottle and pour salt directly through them into my brain
16:24<cahoot>lived a sheltered life?
16:24<stew>locklace: you'll want to disconnect from IRC help channels then
16:24<ml|>that can be arranged ;)
16:24<bremner>locklace: I prefer tac file | tac | grep foo
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16:25<bja>locklace: the winner above all is cat file |less :)
16:26<ry60003333>Anyone available for some installation help? :D
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16:27<ml|>dpkg: tell ry60003333 about ask
16:27<bja>!tell ry60003333 about ask
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16:31<magyar_>hi, where would i be able to get kernel 2.6.29 that was in sid a few weeks ago?
16:32<ry60003333>I have a problem with Installation; I'm running Debian version 5 (powerpc). When I try to do "Install Base System" I get the following output "tail: can't open '/var/log/syslog': No such file or directory". I expected it to do the installation.
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16:33<Tuplad>hey! I've created a 30gb ntfs partition on my external hdd to backup some files on my barely working mac, but if I plug it in my mac the ntfs partition is read-only... how can I fix it ? :o
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16:34<patrikf>dpkg, tell Tuplad about ntfs-3g
16:34<ry60003333>Thats what I use :P
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16:35<patrikf>ry60003333: are you running a lenny installer cd or a beta one?
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16:35<ry60003333>the 502 powerpc netinstall cd
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16:35<patrikf>hmm.
16:35<Tuplad>patrikf: I gave it a quick read, doesn't look like something I need.
16:36<Tuplad>patrikf: I need to have writing abilities on the partition so I can copy files from my mac on it
16:36<ry60003333>It'll enable read and write support for NTFS volumes
16:36<Tuplad>patrikf: I created the partition on debian, but can only read it on my mac
16:36<patrikf>Tuplad: yes, ntfs-3g provides that. the standard driver in the kernel can only read ntfs volumes.
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16:36<Tuplad>oh
16:36<Tuplad>alright, thanks :)
16:36<Tuplad>I should install it on mac then ?
16:36<ry60003333>This is the debian help
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16:36<Tuplad>or install it on linux and reformat the partition
16:37<ry60003333>There is MacFUSE and NTFS-3G for NTFS write support on Mac :)
16:37<patrikf>Tuplad: er, I was assuming your mac was running debian.
16:37<ry60003333>Same :(
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16:37<jrabbit>lol
16:37<patrikf>Tuplad: please say "OS X" in future so everyone knows what they're talking
16:38<Tuplad>patrikf: good idea
16:38<Tuplad>So
16:38<ry60003333>patrikf: How big should the RAM disk size be for installation?
16:38<Tuplad>I made a ntfs partition on my harddrive so I could copy files form OS X on it, once plugged it: read-only.
16:38<patrikf>Tuplad: then maybe reformat it with HFS+ or FAT?
16:38<ml|>Tuplad: like ry60003333 said macfuse ntfs-3g is what you need on mac
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16:39<Tuplad>alright
16:39<ry60003333>Tuplad: Yeah Apple doesn't have NTFS write support yet, they may never have it
16:39<patrikf>ry60003333: the one used by the live system? idk...
16:39<ry60003333>patrikf: the one used by the installer
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16:40<patrikf>yeah, no clue :)
16:40<ry60003333>:P
16:40<ml|>Tuplad: you can also just use fat for that drive without install anything on the mac
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16:42<patrikf>ry60003333: i'm sure debian.org has some troubleshooting guide for d-i
16:43<ry60003333>Yeah I was poking around but I can't find anything relating to an error from tail
16:43<patrikf>(ideally resulting in a bug report :-))
16:43<ry60003333>Yeah xD
16:43<patrikf>ry60003333: you could also try some 5.0.0 or 5.0.1 installation media, to get things actually running
16:43<patrikf>doesn't make much of a difference anyway as you can always upgrade easily
16:43<ry60003333>Yeah if this doesn't work I'll try one of those :D
16:44<patrikf>good luck :)
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16:46<ry60003333>whats the bare minimum amount of RAM for a command line installation?
16:47<adb>16384 ?
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16:48<jrabbit>ry60003333: the installer needs a cirtain amount to function
16:48<Tuplad>ml|: didnt know that, will keep in mind though
16:48<jrabbit>but the actual need after install could be quite low
16:48<ry60003333>K, this has 96MB of RAM lol
16:49<jrabbit>I think thats enough to install?
16:49<ry60003333>I set the RAM disk size to 32768
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16:49<jrabbit>why do you have a ramdisk
16:49<jrabbit>that is not productive.
16:49<ry60003333>for install
16:49<jrabbit>Uh... what.
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16:49<ry60003333>BootX forces you to put a RAM disk size in :P
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16:50<jrabbit>I don't understand what you're doing
16:50<jrabbit>is this not an actuallive isntall?
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16:50<ry60003333>its an install from a 502 netinstall cd :P
16:51<ry60003333>On an Old World Mac
16:51<jrabbit>uh ok
16:51<ml|>ry60003333: G4?
16:51<adb>on ?no
16:51<ry60003333>G4 is New World, this is a PowerPC 604e
16:52<adb>ry60003333: try 16384
16:52<ml|>ah, right forgot
16:52<ry60003333>k if it fails again I'll try that.
16:52<ry60003333>")
16:52<ry60003333>:)
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17:05<markrian>For future-proofing, how seriously should I take the fd.o spec on basedir hierarchy? ( http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/basedir-spec ) Should I just put my config file in $HOME/.<appname> and be done with it?
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17:12<ftpmget>hello people - need assistance
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17:13<adb>dpkg: tell ftpmget about ask
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17:15<ftpmget>i reinstalled debian 5.02 two times, and every time i logon, there is a desktop with no icons, no right click, no nothing...
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17:15<ftpmget>also with root account
17:15<ftpmget>pretty wallpaper, though
17:15<markrian>ftpmget: don't log in to X with root
17:15<markrian>What desktop environment did you install?
17:15<ftpmget>yes i erad that is a security issue
17:16<ftpmget>gnome
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17:16<ftpmget>i tried as a normal user, result is the same
17:16<markrian>Have you tried with a brand new user, with a *completely* empty home folder - including dot files?
17:17<ftpmget>i think everything is ok with the installation, pretty straightforward, but i'm missing something
17:17<ftpmget>i only answered to the installation questions, nothing more
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17:17<ftpmget>no additional configuration made, cause i can't access anything
17:17<markrian>Does gdm work as expected?
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17:18<ry60003333>Now its hanging with no message >.<
17:18<ry60003333>"Checking component main on file:///cdrom..."
17:18<ftpmget>i have gnome, run xclient script, secure remote connection, twm, failsafe gnome, failsafe terminal as a session options
17:19<ftpmget>any i choose, after "normal" user login, the desktop loads, with the debian logo, and nothing more
17:19<ftpmget>i can move the mouse, np, but nothing else...
17:19<ftpmget>i did not make any changes, just installed from the dvd, set root pwd, new user name/pwd, thats all
17:20<markrian>Are any of the following packages installed: gnome, gnome-core, gnome-desktop-environment
17:20<lcabrini>ftpmget: could you try to switch to a text console (CTRL+Shift+F1) and see if there is anything in ~/.xsession-errors?
17:21<ftpmget>tried that, notning happens. tried that before login, and after login
17:21<lcabrini>you would obviously have to log in as well...
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17:21<ftpmget>no console appears
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17:21<markrian>ftpmget: no console appears?
17:21<ftpmget>at the installation i choosed graphical env, file server, web server...nothing special
17:22<ftpmget>yes, nothing happens
17:22<ftpmget>point to tell: it is a vmware installation
17:22<markrian>So can you even log in to a VT?
17:22<ftpmget>should be the same
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17:23<ftpmget>all username/pwd authorization is ok, debian accepts them, but after i log in, nothing, only empty desktop
17:23<ftpmget>i didnt try run xclient script at the logon ...i will do that now
17:23<lcabrini>ftpmget: does CTRL+ALT+Backspace work?
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17:24<ftpmget>did that now, debian said to wait a moment, and flockered, then opened (i think) a new session
17:24<ftpmget>flickered
17:25<markrian>Would be the same session restarted, yes
17:25<ftpmget>ok, will try to login now as a standard user
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17:25<lcabrini>ftpmget: you might also want to try a failsafe session, for debugging purposes.
17:26<ftpmget>tried that, credentials are ok, i'm passing the login window np, but after that i end up with a bluish wallpaper with a red curved spiral in the right part
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17:26<ftpmget>and noting else, no right click, no ctrl+alt+f1
17:27<markrian>Are you correctly passing that key combo to VMWare?
17:27<ftpmget>gdm is installed
17:27<lcabrini>ftpmget: failsafe terminal session?
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17:27<ftpmget>yes, cause ctrl+alt+backspace is working
17:28<ftpmget>also think ssh is disabled
17:28<ftpmget>wait, i willmake screenshots
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17:30<ftpmget>failsafe terminal working
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17:30<ftpmget>logout
17:30<lcabrini>ftpmget: then from there, peek at ~/.xsession-errors
17:30<ftpmget>disregard wrong window
17:30<ftpmget>aha, wait a moment
17:32<ftpmget>where is that log located
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17:32<lcabrini>ftpmget: in your home dir.
17:32<lcabrini>$HOME/.xsession-errors
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17:34<ftpmget>ok it says
17:34<ftpmget>i have to retype all
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17:35<ftpmget>stdin: is not a tty
17:36<ftpmget>SESSION_MANAGER=local/**name**:/tmp/.ICE-unix/2591
17:36<ftpmget>Shutdown failed or nothing to shut down
17:37<ftpmget>**(gnome-settings-deamon:3653): WARNING **: Failed to open file '/etc/gnome/config/General.ad': No such filie or directory
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17:38<markrian>ftpmget: that file should be installed by gnome-settings-daemon
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17:38<markrian>Check if that package is installed
17:38<ftpmget>Window manager warning: Failed to read session file /root/.metacity/sessions/default0.ms: Failed to open file
17:38<ftpmget>no such file or... bal balbal
17:38<ftpmget>bla
17:39<ftpmget>yes, i see now that some of the files are missing
17:39<ftpmget>dont know how, after default install
17:39<ftpmget>maybe i should cinfigure eth0, go on internet, and use apt-get ... something
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17:39<markrian>ftpmget: in fact, just install (or reinstall) gnome-core
17:40<markrian>(as root): aptitude install gnome-core
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17:40<markrian>ftpmget: yes, internet would be useful
17:40<ftpmget>aha, gonig to try that in a minute
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17:40<ftpmget>after setting eth0
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17:42<jerico2day>hello, anyone around?
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17:43<ml|>dpkg: tell jerico2day about ask
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17:44<jerico2day>haha, ok:) So anyway, long story short, the stable rtorrent release is too old. I want to install from testing, how can I configure apt in lenny to do so?
17:44-!-chitchat [~guest@218-214-24-203.people.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:44<ml|>dpkg: tell jerico2day about bpo
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17:45<jerico2day>i'll check it out, thanks!
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17:46<ml|>jerico2day: see if it's in backports.org if not and still want new version need to manually install it
17:46<markrian>dpkg: tell jerico2day about simple sid backport
17:46<ftpmget>restarting the box
17:46<ftpmget>changed the ip addreses
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17:47<ftpmget>will try aptitude install gnome-core
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17:47<ml|>jerico2day: you can get it here http://debian.ghostbar.ath.cx/ you need rtorrent and libtorrent of same versions
17:47<markrian>ftpmget: can the machine now access the net?
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17:48<ftpmget>ping yahoo.com wirking
17:48<ftpmget>working
17:48<ftpmget>yes
17:48<ftpmget>will try aptitude install gnome-core
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17:49<ftpmget>ok everyting finished, logn story short, no packages will be installed, upgraded or remowed
17:49<ftpmget>no errors
17:50<ftpmget>so the danm package is installed
17:50<adb>ftpmget: try #wmware
17:50<ftpmget>ha ha, yes
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17:51<lcabrini>adb: hm... why would vmware be the culprit?
17:52<ftpmget>ok, have one omre question: how to install the text way only, no graphics? should i deselect graphical interface at the install options?
17:52<lcabrini>ftpmget: yes.
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17:52<ftpmget>in vmware i have sus with np
17:52<ftpmget>fedora core, ubuntu
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17:53*lcabrini does not believe it to be a vmware issue
17:53<ftpmget>ok lcabrini, thx for ur time
17:53<lcabrini>np
17:53<ftpmget>as in my timezone is 2353hrs, and after 2 installs, i think it's enough for today
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17:54<ftpmget>bey to all, special thx to lcabrini (vieni da italia, forse?)
17:54<lcabrini>si :)
17:54<adb>noi siamo tutti amici ..
17:55<ftpmget>ok, i'm near to your homecountry
17:55<ftpmget>yes
17:55<ftpmget>buona notte, saluti
17:55<lcabrini>ftpmget: but i live in ghana. :-)
17:55<lcabrini>ciao, ciao
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17:58<jerico2day>@ml| Thanks a bunch, the .deb files worked perfectly. Now I can run wtorrent without it making rtorrent crash :D
17:59<ml|>np
18:00<ml|>jerico2day: just a noted your system is not really stable any more tho
18:00<ml|>*note
18:01<slipshot>i have sort of an interesting problem. i done an expert install of openbox/FVWM Crystal off of the net. now the trouble im having is this, i can open a terminal and sudo anything i want but if i try to go to like say synaptic and it asks me for my password it wont take it and just keeps asking me for it over and over
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18:02<slipshot>O_O
18:02<ml|>slipshot: try root password
18:02<slipshot>i didnt set any
18:03<ml|>ok try it plz
18:03<slipshot>can i set a root password?
18:04<ml|>no use your current root password
18:04<locklace>slipshot: sudo passwd root
18:04<ml|>yeah but he has one already
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18:05<locklace>he just said "i didnt set any"
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18:05<ml|>how can he not at install time
18:05<jerico2day>@ml| i'm not too worried about it, it's a home samba server.
18:05<locklace>!@
18:05<dpkg>@ is used to separate the username from the hostname in an email address, to denote channel operators on IRC, and to direct replies to particular users in some web forums. It is NOT used to direct replies on IRC; use "name: ..." instead of "@name ...".
18:06<ml|>jerico2day: yeah just thought i'd mention it
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18:06<slipshot>ok now i feel stupid!!!!! that worked thatnks a lot
18:06<locklace>!congratulate slipshot
18:06<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies slipshot, you did it!
18:07<ml|>slipshot: do you want to use your sudo password?
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18:08<slipshot>i just set the sudo and the root as the same password. will that work?
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18:08<ml|>yes, but a bad idea in my view
18:09<slipshot>it should be fine here aint anyone knows how to work a linux in this house but me
18:09<ml|>there is another way using different passowrs for each
18:09<ml|>passwords*
18:10<slipshot>and aint no one knows my password even if they did
18:10<ml|>ok
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18:10<slipshot>no thats a lie my five year old daughter can get on her games with a linux
18:10<slipshot>but other than that im ok
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18:11<slipshot>thanks a lot guys
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18:12<ml|>np gl
18:12<adb>slipshot: so a network user can gain root easier ..
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18:13<slipshot>network user? what like hack my system?
18:13<adb>yes ..
18:13<ml|>there is a setting to use gksu with sudo password and not root
18:13<ml|>but oh well
18:13<locklace>!hax0r me
18:14<slipshot>if someone hacked my system the worst thing there going to find is a LOT of music
18:14<locklace>just make sure it's a lot of bad music
18:14<ml|>slipshot: they can delete all to screw with you
18:15<ml|>hah
18:15<slipshot>i dont keep any personal info on my comp at all
18:15<locklace>like 2TB of "never gonna give you up"
18:15<slipshot>ml|, thats why i have 2 hard drives i use and a few more setting around for backup
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18:16<slipshot>i have a special hard drive i use for backing up music
18:16<ml|>good, they can still delete your whole system too
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18:17<ml|>guess not everyone takes security seriously ;)
18:18<locklace>"swiss cheese" is an acceptable threat model
18:18<adb>ml|: or use that machine as relay to spam or so ..
18:18<ml|>adb: right
18:18<ml|>locklace: heh
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18:18<slipshot>and i do know a few very, very good hackers so if i do get any trouble they had better pray they dont leave a trace of who hey were
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18:19<locklace>dpkg: be a hax0r
18:19<dpkg>locklace: 1 4m 4n 3r33t h4x0r.... 1 0wn j00... 1 g0t r3wt 0n al j00r b0x0rs.... h4w h4w
18:19<ml|>lol
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18:20<slipshot>but thanks guys im out of here
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18:36<wizzr>hi every one, can some one tell me how to start my wlan in the terminal?
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18:38<amphi>wizzr: wpa_supplicant if you use wpa, otherwise iwconfig
18:39<wizzr>k
18:39<wizzr>thx
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18:41<Patrick>please help me
18:41<Patrick>i installed Dekorator but i need to COMPLETELY uninstall it
18:42<ml|>aptitude purge
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20:17<Esto>how to configure nfs-kernel server in debian lenny/squeeze to use static port instead of random one?
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20:18<jclinton>Esto, you don't
20:18<jclinton>Esto, you must use rpc to use NFS
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20:18<bremner>rpc+firewall=fun
20:18<Esto>exactly
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20:19<Esto>i have to DNAT connection, so i need static or range at least
20:19<Darknova>hello
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20:20<Esto>oh, seems ubuntu forums are still helpful
20:20<Esto>/etc/default/nfs-common STATDOPTS="--port 4000"
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20:32<sime>hi!
20:32<venus>alguien habla español
20:32<venus>?
20:33<dkr>!es
20:33<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:33<venus>grasias
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20:39<felixdz>When I hover the mouse over a Virtualbox Shared Folder it tells me activity : /home/user/Virtualbox_Share/
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20:41<felixdz>but when I try "mount -t vboxsf Virtualbox_Share /home/user/Virtualbox_Share" it does not work?
20:41<felixdz>Guest additions are installed.
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20:43<Gezir>shouldn't printf "[%-3.3sfoo]\n" right-align "foo" in bash?
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20:44<Gezir>all it seems to do is add three spaces before "foo"
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21:25<nichos>hi all, I'm trying to install from a USB key. The installer runs fine, but it's not finding any install media. I tried mount -o loop /isofile.iso /cdrom but I get "cannot setup loop device: no such file or dir"
21:25-!-mengpengfei [~meng@125.33.0.242] has joined #debian
21:26<nichos>isofile.iso exists
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21:27<nichos>anyone have any ideas?
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21:51<deniz>is it normal for my xorg.conf file to be blank in squeeze?
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21:53<jclinton>deniz, yes
21:53<deniz>jclinton, this is a recent thing?
21:56<adb>from lenny ?
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21:57<jclinton>deniz, been in unstable for over a year
21:57<deniz>jclinton, well i meant is it recent in testing (not unstable)
21:58<deniz>well according to my experience it is
21:58<deniz>but i just wanted to know if i did something wrong
21:58<jclinton>deniz, nope, completely normal
21:58<jclinton>deniz, X just works in almost all cases
21:59<deniz>jclinton, k, thank you for confirming that but
21:59<deniz>now onto the real issue
21:59<deniz>my x600 pro is using the radeon driver by default right?
21:59<jclinton>yep
21:59<deniz>ok so another problem
21:59<deniz>why is my 3d not working
21:59<jclinton>not new enough
21:59<deniz>no compiz, no games
21:59<deniz>no in ubuntu and vista it handles all well
22:00<deniz>im playing half-life 2 on highest settings almost
22:00<deniz>in vista
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22:00<jclinton>i'm talking about the radeon driver
22:00<jclinton>if you want fglrx installed, you can do that
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22:00<deniz>the radeon driver in ubuntu worked with 3d tho
22:00<deniz>no fglrx
22:00<jclinton>not true
22:01<deniz>how is that not true? it worked then it froze after which was a bug but it still worked then i manually had installed fglrx
22:01<deniz>that was in my ubuntu days
22:01<deniz>cuz it froze after 5 min of gaming with nexuiz
22:01<jclinton>KMS, gem and the needed GTT were not merged until 2.6.31
22:01<jclinton>which hasn't even been released yet
22:01<jclinton>for radeon
22:01<jclinton>intel driver was merged in 2.6.29
22:02<deniz>so how would you explain it working in ubuntu and what do you suggest i do?
22:02<jclinton>if ubuntu was doing something stupid with the drivers in the kernel, i would not be surprised
22:03<jclinton>deniz, either run unstable and build 2.6.31 yourself or installed fglrx
22:03<jclinton>deniz, those are your options
22:03<deniz>ok so i can install fglrx until .31 makes it to testing?
22:03<jclinton>deniz, yes
22:03<deniz>ok but previously
22:04<deniz>i had installed fglrx
22:04<deniz>and i caused myself so many issues
22:04<deniz>i destroyed my install
22:04<deniz>thankfully i had a home partition to re-mount
22:04<deniz>but dist-upgrading at 35 kb/s is pretty lengthy
22:04<adb>!enter
22:04<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
22:04<adb>deniz: ^^
22:04<jclinton>those are your options
22:04<deniz>ya sorry lol, i do this on msn also, ill stop
22:05<jclinton>deniz, you must choose one of those two options to get 3D on your card right now
22:05<deniz>ok well i WANT to take the fglrx path and wait for a newer kernel to come to testing but im scared as to getting it to work right
22:05<jclinton>deniz, google debian fglrx
22:05<deniz>bcuz i rely dont feel like spending another 1.5 days reinstalling
22:05<jclinton>deniz, the instructions are trivial these days
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22:06<deniz>ok well i have non-free repositories
22:06<deniz>so do i just apt-get install fglrx-driver ?
22:07<ml|>dpkg: tell deniz about ati
22:07<ml|>dpkg: tell deniz about fglrx
22:08<deniz>oh by the way, why is the xorg.conf blank now? is it because HAL or something is taking care of hardware detection?
22:08<jclinton>deniz, X does
22:09<deniz>wasn't xorg.conf like...the WAY to control X?
22:09<ml|>deniz: you can still add what you need
22:10<deniz>ml|, dpkg just says that below r600 series wont be supported in latest driver and to follow http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary which is something i've already done without success last time
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22:10<deniz>ml|, so it's to prevent from making the things that work stop working? and to only allow you to make newer things work?
22:10<jclinton>deniz, which i already explain is basically your only option
22:11<jclinton>deniz, just don't screw it up this time
22:11<deniz>wait i must be doing a small mistake thats causing me big issues
22:11<ml|>deniz: well read it again and try again, also ask for help on ati irc's channel
22:11<deniz>because i had followed http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary before and check this out too: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=40584&p=240434#p240434
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22:12<deniz>im s3a
22:12<ml|>deniz: use one or the other not both
22:12<deniz>so i have to somehow disable radeon first?
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22:13<ml|>try in #ati on irc.freenode.net or wait for someone here to help you
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22:23<ert34>Can I test new kernel versions with an encrypted system?
22:23-!-tuxwarrior [~ulises@190.87.66.213] has quit []
22:23<ert34>Because I am using an encryped system, and I want have fun with kernel stuff.
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22:25<miguel>hi
22:25<miguel>what programm shows my man pages?
22:25<ert34>man man
22:26<miguel>ook its an own interface
22:26<miguel>i wonder how i can search inside one man page case-insensitive
22:26<miguel>coz i use /
22:26<tlyu>what pager are you using?
22:26<miguel>how can i find out?
22:26<ml|>miguel: echo $MANPAGER
22:27<miguel>is not set ..
22:27<ml|>miguel: echo $PAGER
22:27<miguel>i use man itself
22:27<miguel>not set either
22:27<ml|>you can set it
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22:28<tlyu>i don't remember if vanilla debian defaults to "more" or "less". in "less", you can use the "-i" command to toggle case-sensitivity in searching
22:28<ml|>install most and use it as you MANPAGER
22:29<ml|>less o think
22:29<miguel>can i use vim?
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22:29<ml|>*i
22:29<veeloc>apt-get isn't finding package build-essentials
22:29<veeloc>but i just insalled xchat from it
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22:30<ml|>built-essential
22:30<veeloc>its built?
22:30<ml|>sorry build-essential
22:30<ert34>build
22:30<veeloc>yeah, it can't find it
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22:31<veeloc>i added on the s in IRC, but its not finding build-essential
22:31<adb>!b-e
22:31<dpkg>i heard build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>.
22:31<veeloc>nvm i got it
22:32<ml|>miguel: export MANPAGER=/usr/bin/most and set it in bashrc and bash_profile so it's set at login
22:32<miguel>is most, the best alternative?
22:32<miguel>i wonder if i can not use vim or gvim?
22:33<ml|>try it if not use less or more, but most is great :)
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22:33<miguel>ok i just installed and set it up
22:33<miguel>looks nicer then more or less
22:33<ml|>miguel: those are editors
22:33<debianuser403>hello. i just installed a optical drive. k3b doesn't seem to be recognizing it. it's saying my system does not have a writer
22:34<miguel>thx a lot
22:34<ml|>np
22:34<debianuser403>not sure what the problem is. drive works just fine in another pc
22:35<debianuser403>bios detects just fine and loads a installation cd without any problems. but once the os is running i cant do anything with it
22:35<debianuser403>loading the installation cd and a running os are from two different boots. i did not install with this drive
22:36<adb>debianuser403: star k3b as root ?
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22:36<ml|>ert34: yes i'am :)
22:36<ert34>more than 1 person, ok
22:36<ml|>no one person ;P
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22:37<ert34>i don't believe
22:37<debianuser403>adb: same error and now it's telling me not to run it as root
22:37<miguel>the viewer is great, however i still can not find the answer... :)
22:37<ml|>ert34: why do you ask? hah ok
22:37<miguel>i wonder if find is capable to list only FILES and no direcotries
22:37<Jids>what program is it that Knoppix uses that allows it to very quickly detect and set up a wireless PCI card that isn't in straight-up Debian?
22:38<ml|>miguel: find -type f
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22:38<adb>Jids: they ship non free software?
22:38<ml|>man find
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22:38<gsimmons>Jids: Ask #knoppix on freenode.
22:39<miguel>aaah i see it now. thx ml|
22:39<ml|>np
22:39<Jids>adb: i don't know, but in 10 seconds i was connected to my WPA network... in Debian it'd only work with WEP until i went into the CLI
22:39<ert34>freenode is a crap
22:40<adb>Jids: don't paste same "message" on both debian channel ,...
22:40<Jids>gsimmons: did, but only a few people are there and no one's saying anything
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22:41<Jids>adb: asking more than one person is the best way to find out correct information
22:41<adb>Jids: and i anword you
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22:42<Jids>anword?
22:42<ml|>ert34: plz don't msg people without asking
22:42<deniz>ml|, nobody answered for the last while on #ati
22:43<deniz>ml|, can i just do it and tell you what i do and you catch my mistake?
22:43<ert34>ml|, I did't
22:43<ml|>deniz: that's how it is sometimes be patient, i have no idea or i'd help you
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22:44<ml|>ert34: you know did, just don't do it
22:44<miguel>i just compiled the 2d box physics library and examples and i had to add <string.h> in many files in order to compile successfully.. is this a bug or am I doing something wrong?
22:44<ert34>I think that freenode is crap because I can't connect
22:44<miguel>the resulting examples work fine now...
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22:44<tlyu>miguel: it might be a bug in the library you're trying to compile.
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22:44<miguel>it compiled fine, after the few changes
22:45<miguel>but i wonder if its poorly coded...
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22:45<miguel>but i guess thats a c/c++ question, sorry
22:47<ml|>!qotd49
22:47<dpkg><tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building.
22:47<ml|>heh
22:50<Jids>i'm setting up partitions on my drive to use as file storage for different things - Debian can't format as NTFS, so if i format them as FAT32 will i later be able to format them as NTFS from windows?
22:51<Jids>or should i set them as "do not use"?
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22:52<gsimmons>Jids: Creation of NTFS filesystems is possible via mkntfs (ntfsprogs package).
22:53<ml|>i think it would be best to format ntfs in windows
22:53<Jids>gsimmons: is it possible to partition a mainly-unpartitioned drive from within Debian? i'm doing this from the Debian installer because nothing else i can find will work
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23:01<ml|>!mkfs
23:01<dpkg>it has been said that mkfs is is MaKe FileSystem (kinda obvious what it does)
23:02<goodger_>(see also gparted, for GUI 'good'ness)
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23:03<ml|>Jids: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-format-create-linux-filesystem/
23:03<Dargor>anyone know anything about lm-sensors
23:03<Dargor>think i might have too many drives in my file server
23:05<Dargor>sensors says lots of ALARM. like this
23:06<Dargor>in6: +5.25 V (min = +4.22 V, max = +3.28 V) ALARM
23:06<Dargor>is that bad?
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23:07<ml|>Dargor: try #linux-sensors @ irc.freenode.net
23:07<Dargor>thanks
23:07<tacotruck>hey guys i cant seem to get sound working in flash
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23:10<adb>but in audicious , vlc , etc it works ?
23:10<tacotruck>adb:yeah
23:11<adb>tried reinstall flash ?
23:12<ml|>what are you using for flash
23:12<tacotruck>flashplugin-nonfree
23:12<tacotruck>im actually using buntu if that matters
23:12<ml|>yes it does
23:13<ml|>try in #ubuntu on freenode
23:13<tacotruck>ml|: yeah couldnt find any help in there...i tried first :)
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23:13<adb>tacotruck: want help from here ?
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23:14<ml|>tacotruck: the thing is that debian and ubuntu are not the same
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23:14<tacotruck>yeah i know...
23:15<ml|>try what adb said really can't of anything else sense you are using ubuntu
23:15<ml|>*think
23:15<deniz>tacotruck, what's your problem?
23:15<adb>deniz: he use ubuntu !...
23:16<adb>deniz: you too ?
23:16<deniz>adb, but the ubuntu ppl dint help him, and im familiar with debian/ubuntu
23:16<deniz>i use ubuntu on flash drive and debian on hard drive
23:16<deniz>well i dont use the flash drive alot at all it's just for emergency
23:16<tacotruck>deniz: my logic of coming in here is that you guys were a little more nerdier...therefor might know the answer....sorry
23:17<deniz>tacotruck, lol well, what's your problem? and i think some might take that as an insult
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23:17<tacotruck>sound works fine...i cant get sound to work in flash though...in firefox
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23:19<ml|>tacotruck: might be best to ask in ubuntu again and wait for help
23:20<Jids>how do i install a .deb via the CLI?
23:20<deniz>tacotruck, go to #ubuntu and ill join there
23:20<tacotruck>deniz: im there
23:20<ml|>dpkg -i , but why?
23:20*dpkg installs , but why into ml|'s head with a bone saw and a few screws
23:20<Jids>ty ml|
23:20<ml|>hah
23:21<ml|>Jids: new to linux/ debian?
23:21<Jids>ml|: sorta... i've used Mepis, Knoppix, and DSL in the past, but this is the first time i've actually installed it
23:21<Jids>then again, this is the first time i've gotten my /own/ computer, so it's a good time to learn
23:22<sney`>someone give this man a link to the debian reference card!
23:22<ml|>want to do some reading/leraning?
23:22<Jids>sure
23:22<ml|>dpkg: tell Jids about reference
23:22<ml|>dpkg: tell Jids about grounding
23:23<ml|>dpkg: tell Jids about unix lessons
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23:23<ml|>dpkg: tell Jids about dpkgbot
23:23<ml|>dpkg: tell Jids about selftell
23:23<ml|>that should help ;)
23:23<Jids>many thanks =D
23:23<ml|>np
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23:28<Jids>ml|: since it's not in the FAQ... how do i install the latest version of flash player on a 64-bit system? i've downloaded the .deb, but it's telling me that it's for an i386 system and won't install
23:28<Jids>in the reference*
23:29<ml|>Jids: since you are new learn a bit before install things that might be in the repos
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23:30<ml|>dpkg: tell Jids about flash
23:30<ml|>dpkg: tell Jids about dmm
23:30<ml|>Jids: on lenny?
23:30<ml|>and do you care about using only free software?
23:30<Jids>aye
23:30<Jids>not really
23:30-!-kolin [~kolin@28IAAAIIO.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
23:30<kolin>hi
23:31<ml|>dpkg: tell Jids about dmm lenny
23:31<ml|>dpkg: tell Jids about non-free sources
23:32<kolin>How do I run some IceWeasels, with different profiles and configurations, bookmarks etc... ?
23:34<ml|>Jids: make a backup of /etc/apt/sources.list before editing them ... cd /etc/apt/ then cp -a sources.list sources.list.org or whatever you want to name it <--- should be done when editing any system files
23:35<ml|>kolin: firefox-bin -ProfileManager
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23:36<Jids>ml|: ty for the advice
23:36<ml|>np and need to the above as root
23:38<ml|>dpkg: tell Jids about sources.list
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23:38<kolin>that is a package intended to download?
23:39<ml|>kolin: what?
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23:40<kolin>firefox -ProfileManager give me a wizard
23:40<kolin>firefox-bin does nothing
23:40<ml|>hmm are you on debian?
23:40<kolin>yes
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23:40<ml|>use iceweasel?
23:41<kolin>Yes.
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23:41<ml|>firefox-bin -ProfileManager <-- well that should work
23:41<adb>bash: firefox-bin: command not found
23:42<ml|>hmm works here
23:42<kolin>Not found here too.
23:43<ml|>it seems it was renamed or something it use to work here before
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23:44<ml|>so easier firefox -ProfileManger :)
23:45<deniz>there is no GUI way to use fglrx in debian is there?
23:45<craigevil>firefox or iceweasel -profilemanager if its iceweasel
23:46<ml|>yes but i had to use firefox-bin before or it would not work so dunno what changed
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23:48<kolin>But it works.
23:48<ml|>yeah that is the important part :)
23:49-!-zynon [~a@ip70-189-54-11.lf.br.cox.net] has joined #debian
23:49<ml|>thanks for bringing it up or else i would not know until i had to use it
23:49<zynon>Hello, I've been reading about the internet install feature, was debating about installing debian on my hp dell laptop, we have secured wireless internet here would that be a problem ?
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23:49<kolin>Nice, but it can confuse. A profile string on the title is needed.
23:51<kolin>How do I make a laucher for a different profile?
23:52<adb>choose profile and start it
23:52<ml|>i don't think you can, but you can make the one you use most as defualt
23:53<craigevil>you can set it so it shows the profile chooser or not, if your using more than one profile it helps to be able to choose
23:53<ml|>yeah that too
23:53<kolin>iceweasel -P profile woudl work
23:53<kolin>:-)
23:54<craigevil>you can also set up a shortcut so it opens a set profile rather than using the popup profile window
23:55<ml|>ah that is useful for desktop users
23:55<adb>kolin: un check `Don't ask at startup ` in wizard
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23:55<kolin>Just putting iceweasel -P default or iceweasel -P anotherprofile
23:55<kolin>on the laucher command
23:55<kolin>I will.
23:55<zynon>anyone have a answer to my inquiry?
23:56<ml|>zynon: using netinst on wireless does not work if i'm not mistaken
23:56<craigevil>ml|: its helpful here i put a short to the kids iw profile on the desktop so they can't use my profile
23:56<ml|>craigevil: yeah nice, no icons here ;)
23:57<craigevil>netinst for wireless will work if you download the necessary drivres and firmware
23:57<gsimmons>zynon: It's a potential problem as Lenny's Debian Installer version doesn't support WPA. There are backported d-i images with experimental WPA support; /msg dpkg kmuto
23:57<zynon>ml|: so i'd have to go through ethernet not a problem, when debian is installed will my wireless card more than likely work ?
23:58<ml|>zynon: depends on what chip you have etc... but not to hard to setup depending on chipset
23:58<craigevil>zynon: check out wiki.debian.org/wifi
23:58<zynon>i used debian a long time ago on a desktop, didnt have wireless questions to ask, sorry for the newb ones..
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23:59<ml|>dpkg: tell zynon about wifi
23:59<zynon>i guess would be eaiser to download a normal install cd install the base stuff and hope wifi is included in there
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23:59<ml|>i would use netinst
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