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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-07-15

---Logopened Wed Jul 15 00:00:09 2009
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00:04<owen1> I have 'exec wbar & awesome' in .xinitrc. i only see the wbar app in one of the monitors. how to make it show on the other as well. (i have X in each).
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00:07<ml|>owen1: try in #awesome
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00:08<owen1>it's dead
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00:08<drakeman>owen1, on freenode?
00:09<owen1>there are 160 nicks and quite.
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00:09<drakeman>:(
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00:10<OpenSourceBrad>ml| is having troubles
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00:10<OpenSourceBrad>whats the matter ml|
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00:12<ml|>OpenSourceBrad: nothing really, for some reason my irssi config got messed up, so was fixing it
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00:13<OpenSourceBrad>ml| ah, i hate when these things happen, what did you do, so i can prevent this happening when i fiddle
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00:15<ml|>must have done something but don't remember, but i have backup of config so just copied it back :)
00:15<ml|>backup backup backup :)
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00:21<Jason>do there is some games in Debian beside standard games?
00:23<Jason>I am just bored to death
00:23<dondelelcaro>Jason: lots of them
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00:23<OpenSourceBrad>battle of wesnorth is one to checkout
00:24<dondelelcaro>Jason: try xmoto or blobwars or wesnoth or ...
00:24<Jason>oh never mind
00:24<Jason>I found my favorite game Klotski
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00:31<drakeman>Jason, try openarena
00:31<drakeman>jajaja
00:31<drakeman>the best
00:32<craigevil>teeworlds you get to kill people playing blobs that look like kerby :)
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00:32<drakeman>xD
00:32<drakeman>hey good night people, going to sleep
00:32<Jason>you too
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00:33<drakeman>xD
00:33<drakeman>see you ml!
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02:40<Yoda-BZH`Wk>salut/hi
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02:46<twb>I can use apt-file to list the files provided by a package that isn't yet installed.
02:47<twb>How can I list all packages (even those that aren't installed) that provide an alternative, e.g. the pager(1) alternative?
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02:54<ml|>twb: 'apt-file list package' or 'apt-file -l list package'
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03:01<twb>ml|: er, but apt-file only lists files in the package... and alternatives are generated in the postinst.
03:02<ml|>that was for question one, two have no idea
03:02<twb>I only asked one question.
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03:03<twb>Mentioning apt-file was merely by way of analogy.
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03:04<ml|>oops yes sorry misread you first sentence, sorry
03:04<twb>No worries.
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03:21<thinx>!de
03:21<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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03:22<thinx>hu
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03:25<thinx>exit
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03:30<glock>exit
03:31<glock>?
03:31<glock>!exit
03:31<dpkg>/quit you fool!
03:31<glock>!thnx
03:31<dpkg>any time, glock
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03:43<thinx>!de
03:43<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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03:46*twb QUIT: you fool
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03:47<enkrypt>since the transfer to ia32-apt-get I haven't been able to install the 32bit part of the binary nvidia driver anymore. any idea how this is supposed to work with the new ia32 situation ?
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04:59<deagon>Hello everyone
04:59<deagon>Good morning, afternoon, evening or what ever applies.
05:01<deagon>Anyone here know the latest on kde4? is it still experimental, etc, etc.
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05:03<jm_>try #debian-kde
05:04<owen1>how to run an app on boot, in a specific monitor (I have 2)?
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05:04<owen1>i have it in .xinit rc, before starting my wm, but it only shows in one of my monitores.
05:05<deagon>sorry, unfamiliar with xchat, wasn't sure how to change channels. got it from you link though. cheers.
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05:13<brasidas>hello
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05:17<hsch>does anyone know what package to install on debian sage to be able to use dh_installudev
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05:19<llutz_>hsch: debhelper
05:20<hsch>llutz_: I did install debhelper, but I didn't get the udev one.
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05:24<jm_>sarge has too old debhelper to include that
05:24<gsimmons>hsch: What are you trying to do?
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05:25<hsch>would the backport of debhelper have dh_installudev
05:25<hsch>???
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05:27<llutz_>hsch: the etch-versions has dh_installudev, try a backport
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05:31<hsch>archive-debian.org/backorts have a compiled one already
05:31<hsch>thanks
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05:40<Solus>Hey all, apt-get wants to remove an awful lot of programs I use frequently. Is there a way of white-listing programs so "apt-get autoremove" will ignore them?
05:41<EmleyMoor>Solus: Manually mark them as installed - not sure if there is an easy way to do it
05:42<jackyf>Solus: 'apt::neverautoremove' APT option
05:42<jackyf>or, really, mark them as installed
05:42<jackyf>for example, with 'aptitude unmarkauto'
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05:44<Solus>Aahh, okay I'll have a play around with that quickly. Thank you both for the fast replies
05:47<themill>Solus: /msg dpkg unmarkauto
05:48<Solus>Even better! Thanks themill
05:48<setog3>my apt-get take a very long time to read the database package list (when I want to install a package for example), how to accelerate this ? must I do some cleaning stuff ?
05:49<jackyf>setog3: how long?
05:50<setog3>8seconds, something like that
05:50<jackyf>setog3: what's your CPU?
05:51<setog3>jackyf: core 2 duo p8400, and when I have installed debian on this system, it was immediate, after some time it takes more time (and now it become long after some month on this debian)
05:52<jackyf>yes, then it's not good for sure...
05:52<jm_>there was a trick with deleting something
05:53<jm_>you mean the dpkg message then?
05:54<setog3>jm_: not sure to understand your question, it's the "Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
05:54<setog3>in french
05:54<jm_>setog3: (Reading database ...) in C locale?
05:54<setog3>yes
05:54<jackyf>setog3: though, really, if it's dpkg message, then it's normal
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05:57<jm_>right, that is dpkg being slow
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05:58<Solus>When I run "aptitude unmarkauto [program]" it attempts to remove the 134 packages before I can proceed. Any ideas?
05:58<setog3>jm_: and there is no way to accelerate this ? I mean clean a little the database in my system ?
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06:00<jm_>setog3: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info - that's the shit it has to read
06:01<setog3>woot it's huge : 83M
06:02<jm_>yes
06:02<jm_>and lots of small files there, let's all hope SSD disks get cheaper & reliable fast
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06:03<jm_>setog3: what usually helps is to copy it to a new fs, after that it will be fast for a while too -- perhaps ext4 or btrfs will help in this area, so far it doesn't look to promising
06:03<jm_>too even
06:04<ml|>setog3: how long has this machine has being running debian?
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06:05<setog3>since it's born in december 2008
06:05<jackyf>setog3: you can also purge conffiles of unneeded packages from 'dpkg -l | grep "^rc"' list
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06:07<jm_>if you think dpkg is slow, simply do 'time cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/* > /dev/null'
06:07<ml|>hmm being running debian on this machine and another for 8 months or so since i did a reinstall and mine is only 28M and 26M if that matters
06:08<jm_>50M here
06:08<ml|>but i always clean stuff out, maybe that helps
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06:12<setog3>jackyf: ok I have purge all my old config.. it's 82M now.. but why is this too huge..
06:13<setog3>I think I will remove all unused package
06:14<jackyf>setog3: yeah, it's anyway a good thing to remove unused stuff
06:15<ml|>deborphan helps and aptitude purge ~c
06:15<jm_>and vrms
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06:18<hever>Why don't my system has a ondemand cpufreq govenor?
06:18<snogglethorpe>(doesn't it?)
06:19<hever>;) it doesn't
06:19<hever>I found no such modules in modconf
06:19<ml|>set it up ;)
06:19<jm_>did you load a module for it?
06:20<ml|>http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CpuFrequencyScaling
06:20<hever>"modprobe cpufreq_ondemand" gives "FATAL: Module cpufreq_ondemand not found."
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06:20<jm_>is this a debian kernel?
06:21<hever>Linux hever 2.6.30-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jun 14 15:00:29 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
06:21<jm_>grep CPU_FREQ_GOV /boot/config-$(uname -r)
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06:22<hever>CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_ONDEMAND=y
06:22<jm_>so it's built in ...
06:22<jm_>available_governors should list it
06:22<snogglethorpe>hever: i dont' have that module either, but my system is using ondemand right now
06:22<jm_>cpufreq-info
06:23<snogglethorpe>(e.g. if i do "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor ", it says "ondemand")
06:23<snogglethorpe>(but if i do "lsmod | grep cpufreq", it show no ondemand anything)
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06:23<snogglethorpe>(tho it shows _other_ cpufreq stuff)
06:24<hever>It's available and I set it but after restarts its not set even if I change sysfs.conf and set it there. This howto says I should modrpobe cpufreq_ondemand (http://idebian.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/cpu-frequency-scaling-in-linux/)
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06:24<snogglethorpe>hever: if it's a recent kernel, i think ondemand is usually the default
06:24<jm_>several packages exist to control cpufreq stuff at boot
06:25<snogglethorpe>(it seems to be on my systems...)
06:25<jm_>cpufrequtils uses /etc/default/cpufrequtils
06:25<hever>jm_, instead of sysfs.conf ?
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06:25<hever>the default for me is powersave and I'm going to change it.
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06:26<jm_>hever: not instead of, it's just where one configures it for that package
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06:26<hever>(/etc/default/cpufrequtils doesn't exist)
06:27<jm_>yes, you have to create it (even if the package is installed)
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06:30<jm_>hever: what did you put in sysfs.conf?
06:31<hever>jm_, where is the documentation for /etc/default/cpufrequtils ?
06:31<hever>devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor = ondemand (also for second core)
06:31<jm_>hever: /usr/share/doc/cpufrequtils/examples
06:32<ml|>don't remember what i did but i don't have /etc/default/cpufrequtils and /etc/sysfs.conf has not being touched but it works, maybe it did on it's own whe i installed cpufrequtils?
06:32<jm_>hever: try 'invoke-rc.d sysfsutils start' when booted and check if it's set
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06:33<jm_>if it gets set that is
06:34<hever>seems working I try a restart, thank you. Perhaps xfce or other settings resets it.
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06:35<jm_>yes might be
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06:35<tofix>hi all, is there someone familiar with xen ? i have some issue and can't find any documentation about
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06:36<Yoda-BZH`Wk>!ask
06:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
06:36<tofix>i made a bond that enslave 2 eth in active backup mode , and i bridge it ;
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06:37<tofix>everything seems fine
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06:37<tofix>until i want to shut or restart one of the vm
06:37<tofix>on this time xend takes 100%CPU and i can't have any return from any xm command
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06:42<tofix>i run xen 3.3 , on a 2.6.27 , i can do everything i want with xm tools, create list... until i try to destroy or shutdown or reboot a VM, then i loose communication with hypervisor
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07:02<jetftwi>I am new to linux as an administrator and I have selected Debian to be my enterprise server what are the common tools I can use for administration and what graphical tools do I have if you would please
07:02<jm_>!reference
07:02<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version is at http://qref.sf.net/ , also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is "debian-reference": 'aptitude install debian-reference'
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07:07<tofix>hello all , i have some issue with Xen, i use 3.3 on a 2.6.27,... i enslave 2 eth in a bond0 that i bridge to xenbr0, no problem with this... with xen tools i can create and start as needed, but each time i try to shut or reboot or even destroy a domain, the dom0 cpu load go to 100% and the communication with hypervisor seems to be closed , an idea ?
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07:26<florian>hello !
07:26<florian>is someone alive here?
07:27<koollman>yes
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07:27<florian>i supose that here i should ask questions ref to a debian installation
07:28<koollman>that would be a good place
07:28<florian>good
07:28<florian>i have a proftpd install based on sql
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07:28<florian>the problem is that i can connect for a verry short period to ftp server, after that i'am disconnected
07:29<florian>with the message: server clossed connection
07:29<florian>any ideea?
07:29<florian>i've checked several time the config file for proftpd
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07:30<florian>in sql i've declared the users and grousp table
07:30<florian>still not working
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07:33<florian>when started proftd in debug the message is: FTP session requested from unknown class
07:33<florian>i'm lost in this moment
07:34<narcan>florian: maybe check the timeout* values in you proftpd.conf ?
07:34<florian>the time out value is 60
07:34<florian>the disconnection is almost instant
07:34<florian>for me is not clear where in sql i shoul declare the class
07:34<florian>or in proftpd
07:35<narcan>TimeoutIdle value ?
07:35<florian>also 60 or more
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07:35<narcan>you say "short period" how long?
07:35<florian>TimeoutNoTransfer 600
07:35<florian>TimeoutStalled 600
07:35<florian>TimeoutIdle 1200
07:36<florian>sory
07:36<florian>wrong memory
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07:36<florian>you have the actual values
07:36<narcan>yes but you say "i can connect for a verry short period to ftp server, after that i'am disconnected"
07:36<narcan>how long?
07:37<florian>for miliseconds
07:37<narcan>Are you sure, you are connected?
07:37<florian>wait a little to get the messages
07:37<florian>for a very short period
07:37<narcan>proftpd must to have log file, do you check it?
07:38<jm_>did you try different FTP clients?
07:38<florian>the ftp session is from the log file
07:38<narcan>ok
07:38<florian>from linucs, in command line
07:38<florian>from windows with filezila & command line
07:38<florian>the same
07:39<jm_>can you login at all?
07:39<florian>there is a problem with the authentication process
07:39<florian>i can't lgin
07:39<florian>login*
07:39<jm_>so you don't get login prompt? probably tcp wrappers
07:39<florian>?
07:40<florian>even from the same machine?
07:40<florian>because i can't login even if i'm try this on the server itself
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07:40<florian>trying*
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07:40<jm_>depends on your configuration, but it does sound like it
07:40<florian>ok
07:41<florian>what can i do in this case?
07:41<florian>what should i check for?
07:41<jm_>check hosts.{allow,deny}
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07:41<jm_>best would probably be to run proftpd in debug mode
07:42<florian>the system was working fine, there was a power glitch, after that, the mail is working, the sql i've succeded to login, the ftp is not accessible
07:42<florian>i've did this
07:42<florian>in level 5
07:42<florian>the only message is FTP session requested from unknown class
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07:42<florian>ftp session closed
07:42<jm_>doesn't sound like an useful debug mode
07:43<florian>what other should i try?
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07:44<jm_>I don't know, I never used proftpd
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07:45<florian>ok
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07:45<florian>thanks any way
07:45<florian>have a nice day
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07:49<cozziak>Has anyone noticed that the i386-businesscard md5 is wrong
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08:27<nakadashi>hello
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08:39<jetftwi>I am new to linux as an administrator and I have selected Debian to be my enterprise server what are the common tools I can use for administration and what graphical tools do I have if you would pleaseI am new to linux as an administrator and I have selected Debian to be my enterprise server what are the common tools I can use for administration and what graphical tools do I have if you would please
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08:40<themill>jetftwi: did you read the debian reference that you were pointed to earlier? (and the other documentation that dpkg referred to?)
08:41<mosno>wow, repeating in the same line.. that's a new one
08:41<jetftwi>No I didn't In which reference you mean my xchat client was stack for a while may be due to that
08:42<themill>!reference
08:42<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version is at http://qref.sf.net/ , also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is "debian-reference": 'aptitude install debian-reference'
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08:49<jetftwi>I have installed debian-reference but how to use it
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09:09<Breeze>Hey there,
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09:12<Breeze>So what's the discussion?
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09:13<rexes13>hey guys
09:14<Breeze>yeh, hey, how come nobody is chatting?
09:14<azeem_>Breeze: do you have a Debian question?
09:14<azeem_>Breeze: this is a support channel, not a chatroom
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09:14<Breeze>OH...! hey yes, sorry, I only got this yesterday, it's all still very new
09:15<Breeze>glad it works though
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09:16<Breeze>my question is then how can I connect to just chat rooms? about music or something
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09:17<azeem_>Breeze: that's not really a technical question; you will have to find a chatroom you like
09:17<azeem_>as channels on OFTC are usually technology-related, I doubt you find many here
09:17<Breeze>yeh, ok no worries
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09:19<tzafrir_laptop>IIRC there was some sort of testing suite for various systems to see how well the BIOS etc should work with Linux
09:20<tzafrir_laptop>e.g. to test for bugs in the bios
09:20<tzafrir_laptop>but I can't find it
09:20<tzafrir_laptop>any idea what I'm talking about?
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09:32<carolanne>oi
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09:32<carolanne>como vai vc?
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09:34<carolanne_>oi
09:34<carolanne_>nicily
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09:34<carolanne_>como vai vc
09:35<carolanne>nicoly vou bem
09:35<Yoda-BZH`Wk>!br
09:35<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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09:35<carolanne>e vc como esta
09:35<carolanne_>bem
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09:36<carolanne>n quando eu ir pra fisica eu passo na sua casa
09:36<carolanne_>
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09:36<craigevil>!en
09:36<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
09:36<carolanne_>vc vai entra naqueli jogo é?
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09:37<carolanne>e
09:37<carolanne>so que aqui ne bell e muito lerdo
09:38<themill>carolanne, carolanne_: Por favor, /join #debian-br
09:38<carolanne>vc ja entrou
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09:38<carolanne>sim
09:38<carolanne_>a internet não quer entrar
09:38<carolanne_>não
09:38<carolanne>eu ta entrando
09:38<carolanne_> não sei porq
09:38<carolanne>pera
09:39<craigevil>tzafrir_laptop: idk about checking the BIOS but you might take a look at http://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/
09:39<carolanne>fala com bell
09:39<carolanne_>eu ja'vou
09:40<carolanne_>aqui tá chato!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:40<carolanne_>xauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
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09:40<carolanne>nao rol tu quer i na minha senha que tem um monte jogos salvo
09:40<carolanne_>
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09:42<jetftwi> I have installed debian-reference but how to use it
09:43<themill>jetftwi: point your browser towards /usr/share/doc/debian-reference-common/ on that machine. Or just read the on-line version that dpkg pointed you to
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09:44<carolanne>oiii
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09:45<carolanne>como vai vc
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09:48<carolanne>oiii
09:48<carolanne>como
09:48<vvas>!pt
09:48<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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09:49<carolanne>oii
09:49<themill>!ops it's your turn to drag carolanne on-topic
09:49<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: it's your turn to drag carolanne on-topic
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09:50<carolanne>oii]
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09:50<drakeman>good morning
09:51<themill>thanks, weasel :)
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09:52<quaker66>hi people.. i've just upgraded my system from lenny to squeeze. I have no problems, but glxgears shows 10x slower performance than before on my nvidia 7600gs card.. i have the same drivers.. and if i run game in wine, it runs as fast as before.. how this is possible?
09:52<vvas>hm, why doesn't irssi show me kicks if i'm not specifically ignoring them
09:52<vvas>i wonder if it's because i'm ignoring parts... very strange
09:52<Torsten_W>quaker66, glxgears is not an benchmark
09:52<quaker66>before, it showed about 7000FPS, now it is 700FPS
09:53<quaker66>and Vampire: Bloodlines based on Source engine runs fast still
09:54<vvas>perhaps there was some change in the way glxgears works? no idea
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09:54<quaker66>maybe.. i will try X server and kernel from unstable if the performance, i've heard the performance i better then for gaming :)
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09:55<quaker66>*is better
09:55<quaker66>*if the performance won't go up
09:55<quaker66>damn :D
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09:57<craigevil>glxgears is not a benchmark, if your games still work do not worry about what fps it says
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09:57<quaker66>craigevil, sure, but i will upgrade that X server and kernel because better performance is always good ;)
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10:05<inglor>If I try to safe-upgrade on sid I get an unresolved dependancy from blueman: Conflicts: bluez-gnome but 1.8-1 is to be installed.
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10:05<inglor>and bluez-gnome is not installed
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10:06<andrey>What's player I must using for flash-playing?
10:06<andrey>such as youtube etc...
10:07<craigevil>!tell andrey about Adobe Flash
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10:07<andrey>for amd64
10:07<andrey>I'ts only i386
10:07<inglor>andrey: be sure to include non-free on sources.list and install flashplugin-nonfree
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10:08<andrey>I'm included...but it's has no this package
10:09<andrey>ghash is not working...(((
10:09<craigevil>if your on stable install flashplugin-nonfree from backports
10:09<andrey><craigevil>: really! Thanks!
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10:15<vvvv>I installed grub on a usb flash drive and i am trying to let it boot the installer with preseed file, which are both on the flashdrive. loading installer works fine. but it doesn't want to load the preseed.
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10:15<vvvv>linux root=UUID=38a5477a-b0f7-4737-9114-cb1a138fc590 preseed/file=/preseed/test.txt
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10:21<Cowardly_Dog>hello
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10:22<Cowardly_Dog>Someone speaks in Spanish?
10:22<drakeman_>!es
10:22<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:22<drakeman_>Cowardly_Dog, go to #debian-es
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10:28<massmc>evening all.
10:29<massmc>how do I get the graphical dpkg in xfce
10:29<massmc>just so i can right click and install
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10:37<jakarta>what to do if oss and alsa wont work properly with snd_hda_intel sound card onboard?
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10:37<jakarta>The sound becomes choppy
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10:38<jakarta>and if i run oss i get an error messag on bootup hda-intel: no codecs found!
10:39<jakarta>Alsa troubeshooting tells me to switch the pcie port but the card is onboard how shall i switch the port
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10:45<craigevil>massmc: try installing and using gdebi
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10:54<lfs_>I cannot grab the top bar on my applications
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11:03<quaker66>wow.. i installed X server and 2.6.30 kernel from unstable to testing and it works perfectly!
11:03<quaker66>apps launch much faster, better performance in games..
11:04<quaker66>i was amazed when i booted and iceweasel launched immediately and no 1 sec delay
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11:05<OpenSourceBrad>thats great
11:06<OpenSourceBrad>what are you running it on quaker66?
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11:07<quaker66>OpenSourceBrad, athlon 64 3500 with nvidia 7600gs
11:07<quaker66>desktop environment is enlightenment dr17 and i am running hardware accelerated compositing Ecomorph
11:08<quaker66>of course i am stopping it for games
11:08<OpenSourceBrad>hmm sounds like the lesser of my computer, i got an athalon 64 4000 with a asus nvidia 7800gt top
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11:09<OpenSourceBrad>athlon 64 X2*
11:09<quaker66>ah i have just 1 core :)
11:09<quaker66>(Athlon 64 Venice)
11:09<OpenSourceBrad>yeah, but like i said, its really not much difference
11:11<quaker66>are you running 64bit or 32bit OS?
11:12<OpenSourceBrad>32 bit
11:12<quaker66>i am running 64bit
11:12<quaker66>(i have only 1GB RAM but i need it for packaging..)
11:12<OpenSourceBrad>perhaps thats the reason why iceW took a second to boot?
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11:13<quaker66>i dont know.. on my system everything is without delays now :P
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11:14<quaker66>boot takes about 14 seconds when i exclude networking initscript which waits some seconds until br0 gets ready
11:14<quaker66>and dhcp takes some time too
11:14<OpenSourceBrad>:V yay, i have a question, has anyone tryed MoonOS 2?
11:14<quaker66>OpenSourceBrad, i am partially working on moonos :)
11:14<quaker66>but i didn't try ISO now
11:14<quaker66>i am maintaining e17 repos for it
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11:15<OpenSourceBrad>I dual boot and from grub, but after that, i think my pc takes rouhgly 10-12 seconds to get to login
11:15<quaker66>(i am doing a repo on packages.enlightenment.org and then i am snapshotting it for moonos and opengeu)
11:15<quaker66>hm that has nothing to do with moonos i think
11:16<quaker66>it is needed to disable usplash and look what it is doing that time
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11:16<OpenSourceBrad>pardon, i don't have moonOS installed yet, i think i am going to give it a try
11:16<quaker66>you can disable splash on livecd
11:17<quaker66>you press f6 on isolinux screen and remove splash word from boot parameters
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11:17<quaker66>OpenSourceBrad, moonos will maybe move to Debian :)
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11:19<quaker66>i am coding some EFL apps for OpenGEU distro and moonos will use them, i am also planning to do a livecd HD install wizard for Debian and when it will be done, moonos will maybe move
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11:20<OpenSourceBrad>i'll be honest, i love Debian, i started using Debian back when a cetrino 333 processor were 'fast' i just like the GUI for MoonOS, think its porrable to just get the GUI?
11:21<quaker66>the GUI of moonos is Enlightenment DR17 desktop
11:21<quaker66>http://packages.enlightenment.org/ you can use this, i provide packages for Debian lenny, squeeze and sid too
11:21<quaker66>in several days, there will be an update and at the end of the month, there will be another update.
11:22<quaker66>OpenSourceBrad, i started using Debian when i wanted to get rid of ubuntu slowness :)
11:23<OpenSourceBrad>good move
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11:23<quaker66>and i found debian is user-friendly and you have GUI for most things.. not like some people said "you must use command line for everything"
11:23<quaker66>i know bash etc quite well but i still like GUI for many things
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11:27<OpenSourceBrad>lol, ditto after buying a 200$ mouse and a 300$ keyboard with a mouse touchpad in it, i like to use the mouse :V
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11:27<quaker66>lol
11:27<quaker66>i have mouse for 170CZK :)
11:28<quaker66>converted to dollars.. that is 7$. :D
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11:29<quaker66>hm not 7
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11:29<quaker66>but 10 :D
11:29<quaker66>and keyboard 15$ :)
11:30<OpenSourceBrad>:V yeah i was a complete cop-out and got one of them MX revoultu.... this has gotten off topic
11:30<OpenSourceBrad>$ /j #debian-offtopic
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11:43<jthomas_sb_>My friend 'aptitude safe-upgrade'-ed his machine yesterday and after a reboot it wouldn't boot into the new kernel; he had to revery to an old one (i think he used 2.6.26). There was no 'init' for the 2.6.30 kernel and it kernel panicked. How can we fix this? Does he need a dist-upgrade ?
11:43<jthomas_sb_>It is a Sid setup.
11:44<craigevil>safe-upgrade in sid is usualy a bad idea
11:44<craigevil>better to do full-upgrade or dist-upgrade if you use apt-get
11:44<jthomas_sb_>and with aptitude ?
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11:44<cahoot>he used aptitude
11:44<craigevil>aptitude full-upgrade
11:44<jthomas_sb_>ok, i'll have him try that, thanks.
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11:55<arw>sorry by the OT, where can i contact network support?
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11:56<arw>NickServ:
11:56<arw>(notice) message, please contact network support.
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11:57<arw>that was the information that give me nickserv
11:58<arw>some channel?
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11:59<themill>arw: try #oftc
12:00<arw>thank you themill
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12:18<Jason>I had a kernel panic and I reboot and it is fine, but how do I prevent the kernel panic?
12:19<Jason>!tell me about kernel panic
12:20<EmleyMoor>Jason: Do you know the circumstances which made it happen?
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12:20<Jason>Nope.
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12:22<Jason>I'm not sure, but I's look on the log
12:22<Jason>I'm*
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12:23<Jason>wow lots of errors
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12:24<Jason>hm.
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12:26<Jason>http://pastebin.com/d61c126ae
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12:32<jidm>hi. how to enable extensions on epiphany-webkit? just installed epiphany-extensions and epiphany-extensions-more, but can't find how to enable them
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12:32<arw>Jason: the machine works well? the computer is ok?
12:32<knoppix_>hello
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12:32<knoppix_>is here anybody from poland?
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12:33<yurikoles>!register
12:33<dpkg>from memory, register is '/msg nickserv help'
12:33<Guest1214>is here anybody from poland?
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12:34<yurikoles>I am from Ukraine
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12:34<knoppix__>czesc pisze ktos po polsku?
12:34<Hydroxide>!pl
12:34<dpkg>polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
12:34<yurikoles>ty kurwa
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12:36<Guest1215>yurikoles jestes?
12:36<Guest1215>yurikoles, jestes?
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12:37<arw>!polish
12:37<dpkg>it has been said that polish is spoken in #debian.pl (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska -> #debian.pl
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12:37<Guest1215>czesc
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12:38<loudergood>!cz
12:38<dpkg>well, cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
12:38<Guest1215>!pl
12:38<dpkg>polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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12:39<Bernd_amd64>Jason, are you there?
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12:41<arw1>!czech
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12:45<gnieark>hi all
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12:46<arw1>hello gnieark
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12:47<gnieark>hi arw U are fine?
12:47<Jason>sorry yes I am here
12:47<Jason>was cooking
12:48<gnieark>i'm on holidays ....coool!
12:48<arw>gnieark: yes i am
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12:48<Jason>Bernd_amd64: yes? sorry...
12:48<Jason>yes it works fine after I reboot and it is ok
12:49<Jason>but when I first turned on, it gives me kernel panic
12:49<Jason>lol how do I unpanic it?
12:49<gnieark>what are you testing to have a kernel panick?
12:50<Jason>I have no idea
12:50<gnieark>XD
12:50<Jason>I'm honestly serious
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12:50<gnieark>a debian 5.0?
12:50<Jason>yes Lenny.
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12:51<gnieark>serveur or graphical?
12:51<Jason>graphical
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12:51<Jason>hmm...
12:52<Bernd_amd64>Jason, do you have any idee how to access a printer from host wich is running un windows guest ( vbox )
12:52<Bernd_amd64>s/un/in
12:53<Jason>wow good question!
12:53<Jason>ok
12:53<Jason>local or network?
12:53<Jason>I can help you because I already set it up
12:54<Bernd_amd64>the printer is connected local via usb ... installed in the gust and ready to print ...
12:54<Jason>yes same here
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12:54<Bernd_amd64>now i would access the printer from the host wich
12:54<Jason>ok
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12:54<Jason>find windows drivers
12:54<Jason>and install it in your vbox
12:55<Jason>and reboot
12:55<Jason>and it will find it
12:55<Bernd_amd64>printer is allready installed in guest
12:55<Jason>and you're done
12:55<Jason>hm.
12:55<Bernd_amd64>testprint successdul
12:55<Jason>but?
12:55<drakeman_>hey Bernd_amd64
12:55<Bernd_amd64>i would print from my debian directly to the vbox printer
12:55<Bernd_amd64>hi drakeman_
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12:56<Jason>well I have hard time with printing via debian
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12:56<Bernd_amd64>ok let me explain again ...
12:56<Jason>I understand what you say
12:56<Bernd_amd64>host(debian lenny) - guest(windows 200) -> printer is installed in guest and ready to print
12:57<Jason>ah you meant... print the vitural printer through Debian?
12:57<Bernd_amd64>now i want to acces the printer via network so i can print in debian trough the vbox to the printer
12:57<Bernd_amd64>you know ?
12:57<Jason>ah!
12:57<Jason>you
12:57<Jason>oops
12:58<Jason>you'd need a Ethernet print server set up to do that, but sorry!
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12:58<Jason>maybe I'll suggest ya a print server
12:58<Jason>not the software print server
12:58<gnieark>you can "partage" (in french) and access it by samba?
12:58<Jason>the physical hardware print server
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12:59<lfs_>Using Gnome I can't move windows around
12:59<Jason>Bernd_amd64: http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=387&name=Network-Print-Servers
13:00<Jason>I think you might need those to work via debian
13:00<Jason>but not sure
13:00<Bernd_amd64>i don´t want to spend monney for that
13:00<Jason>but still, I have lots of printer networking experiences
13:00<Bernd_amd64>when i have 2 windows mashines
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13:00<Bernd_amd64>i can share the printer between both ...
13:00<Jason>yes
13:00<Jason>via samba.
13:01<Bernd_amd64>so i need to install samba in host and share printe in guest ...
13:01<Bernd_amd64>that should work ?
13:01<Jason>good idea
13:01<Jason>but problem is
13:02<Jason>samba is the only file sharing software in linux
13:02<Jason>but I feel I think there is a option for it
13:02<Jason>I'll look for you
13:02<Bernd_amd64>what about lpd lpr ?
13:02<Jason>I'll have to look on those
13:02<Bernd_amd64>have a look at printer in gnome
13:02<Jason>try google
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13:03<Bernd_amd64>already done ... only find guest to host not host to guest -.-
13:03<Jason>interesting.
13:03<Jason>ok
13:03<Jason>host is windows 2000 right?
13:03<Jason>guest is debian?
13:03<Bernd_amd64>found this : You can install lpd/lpr on the Guest, then share the Guest printer, using lpr on the Host you can then print via the Guest.
13:03<Bernd_amd64>but how to setup ...
13:03<Jason>good question!
13:04<Bernd_amd64>i´m totaly bad in printer setup ^^
13:04<Jason>!tell Bernd_amd64 about how to set up the printer setup
13:04<Bernd_amd64>:-P
13:04<Jason>oh wait
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13:04<Jason>let me shorten it up
13:04<sney>linux printing is a pain
13:04<Jason>!tell Bernd_amd64 printer setup
13:05<Jason>wow
13:05<Bernd_amd64>not working
13:05<Jason>dpkg is stubborn
13:05<dpkg>Jason: are you smoking crack?
13:05<Jason>what?
13:05<lfs_>What do you call the blue bar over the window in an application?
13:05<Jason>uhhh... ok dpkg won't let me tell you how to set up a printer
13:06<yurikoles>!EOF
13:06<dpkg>rumour has it, eof is End Of File
13:06<Jason>ah
13:06<Jason>end of file?
13:06<lfs_>^d
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13:07<Bernd_amd64>better than eol ^^
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13:08<Bernd_amd64>so i tried to find lpd lpr with guest ip ...
13:08<Bernd_amd64>lenny iss accessing the guest via network but don´t find a printer ...
13:08<lfs_>Nobody knows the name of the bar over the window?
13:09<Bernd_amd64>do i need to setup some lpd lpr in windows guest ? and when how would i do that?
13:09<Bernd_amd64>wich bar?
13:09<Bernd_amd64>titelbar ?
13:09<Bernd_amd64>the place where the name of the window/app is in ?
13:09<Jason>protocol
13:09<Jason>oops
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13:10<lfs_>Ok titlebar. Why is it missing on some apps?>
13:10<rajesh>hi
13:10<Jason>Bernd_amd64: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_Printer_Daemon_protocol
13:10<azeem_>lfs_: what do you mean with some apps?
13:10<azeem_>which apps have it, which don't?
13:10<lfs_>xchat has no titlebar
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13:11<Bernd_amd64>wich windows manager ?
13:11<Bernd_amd64>-s
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13:12<Jason>blah
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13:12<horacio>hello.. i am having a couple of problems mounting a drive..
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13:13<horacio>i don't know how to list it in the console, and i don't have root access in X
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13:13<Jason>lol
13:14<Jason>ok you can mount using root
13:14<Jason>but just... be careful.
13:14<Bernd_amd64>what would you like to mount ?
13:14<horacio>a data partition.. ntfs
13:14<Jason>windows?
13:15<horacio>nope.. just data..
13:15<Bernd_amd64>so read only !
13:15<Jason>if windows, use samba...
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13:15<horacio>i recently transferred from fedora.. so, i am really new to debian..sorry for the dumb questions
13:16<horacio>no, no just read only.. i definitely want to write to it
13:16<Jason>naw
13:16<Bernd_amd64>you want to share data between windows and linux ?
13:16<Jason>new questions will make our brains working.
13:16<Jason>like mine :)
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13:17<horacio>there is actually no windows in that partition any more.. just data, it is ntfs because i was writing some software the filesystem..
13:17<horacio>so, i just need to access, bot read and write
13:17<sney>ntfs-3g
13:17<sney>it works pretty well actually
13:17<Bernd_amd64>won´t do that
13:17<Bernd_amd64>ntfs suxx
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13:17<horacio>ok, but the thing is, i no how to issue the mount command.. however, how do i know which device it is
13:17<horacio>?
13:18<sney>horacio: you need to use ntfs-3g, which is its own command.
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13:18<sney>install it using apt and then it works the same way as the mount command, ntfs-3g /dev/hd(whatever) /mnt/windows
13:18<horacio>exactly.. the (whatever) is the problem..
13:18<sney>oh
13:18<Bernd_amd64>mount it as readonly... ! backup data and use ext2 or ext3 wich cann be also accesed from windows ...
13:19<sney>fdisk -ls will show you your partitions
13:19<sney>Bernd_amd64: please stop if you aren't helping.
13:19<Bernd_amd64>more stable than write to ntfs from linux
13:19<Bernd_amd64>?
13:19<sney>ntfs-3g is quite stable. it's not good enough to use as a /home directory or anything like that, but you don't even need to chkdsk after every write anymore.
13:19<Bernd_amd64>sure i would help ... so ... !
13:19<Jason>good question.
13:20<Jason>I would figure out what my mount names.
13:20<horacio>no no.. i don't want to use it as a home directory, just to get some data, backup it and destroy the partition, in order to merge it with my /home
13:20<Bernd_amd64>try gparted to see wich drive / partition is the one you looking for
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13:20<Bernd_amd64>and than mount is with : mount -t ntfs -ro /dev/ntfspartition /mnt/mointpoint
13:20<sney>argh
13:21<sney>fdisk -ls
13:21<sney>it shows what your partitions are
13:21<Bernd_amd64>note that /mnt/mointpoint must exists
13:21<sney>and ntfs-3g is the currently supported means to mount ntfs partitions
13:21<horacio>sney: thanks! i am on it..
13:21<sney>it would seem Bernd_amd64 is stuck in 2006 :P
13:21<Jason>lol I think Bernd_amd64 is confusing horacio
13:21<Bernd_amd64>lol i think why using ntfs under linux !?
13:22<sney>because lol you aren't paying attention
13:22<Bernd_amd64>he said there is no windows ... just data
13:22<sney>try actually reading what he wrote before half-englishing your way into a big pile of confusion
13:22<Bernd_amd64>so grap data to an ext3 and all will be fine ...
13:22<sney> <horacio> no no.. i don't want to use it as a home directory, just to get some data, backup it and destroy the partition, in order to merge it with my /home <-
13:23<sney>what the heck is a "grap" anyway
13:23<horacio>no no! thanks very much for the help! now i have to methods, so, even better.. the next time i won't ask such a dumb question
13:23<sney>!grap
13:23<Jason>lol
13:23<sney>horacio: your question was fine.
13:23<horacio>now i do have to know.. wha is grap?
13:23<Jason>it is not a dumb question, it is just good question.
13:23<Jason>lol grap
13:23<sney>grap is the result of Bernd_amd64 typing with his elbows.
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13:24<Jason>lol
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13:24<Jason>aha!
13:24<horacio>ok..so i guess you guys have been around debian for a long time now
13:24<sney>ntfs support has come a long way in the past few years so it is understandable that some people may not have noticed
13:24<Jason>I know bern meant
13:24<Jason>grep you meant, Bernd_amd64?
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13:25<sney>that doesn't make sense either.
13:25<sney>I think maybe "grab" but that's still weird usage
13:25<sney>dude's german, so I guess it makes sense
13:25<Jason>lol
13:25<Jason>I know german lol
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13:27<GNUbee>hi, is it possible when recompiling a debian package to just build one specific package and skip the rest?
13:27<Jason>hm.
13:28<kmap>GNUbee: Unfortunately, not (easily at least)
13:28<kmap>GNUbee: Could I know which package it is though?
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13:28<GNUbee>for instance, in the kdebase source, i just want to be kcontrol...
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13:28<kmap>You might be able to get away with just the arch: any or arch all part by making the right incantation...
13:28<GNUbee>...build kcontrol
13:28<kmap>Oh, I am afraid that's tough... though I'd have to see the rules file for it.
13:29<kmap>GNUbee: You should ask in #debian-kde for a more authoritative answer, IMO
13:29<kmap>http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels
13:29<GNUbee>kmap: thanks, is it possible to do it with debian kernels?
13:29<kmap>No, ignore that
13:30<kmap>GNUbee: "Debian kernels" is actually incorrect... you mean on Debian GNU/Linux?
13:30<kmap>Or do you ask about compiling a kernel on Debian?
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13:30<GNUbee>kmap: i mean rebuilding debian stock kernels
13:30<kmap>GNUbee: Oh, for that, use kernel-package
13:30<sney>man, gnubee's nick is just one horrible pun
13:31<sney>haha.
13:31<kmap>!kernel-package
13:31<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>.
13:31<GNUbee>kmap: like backporting sid's to lenny's
13:31<kmap>GNUbee: kernel-package is for you
13:31-!-Jason is now known as GNUflower
13:31<kmap>GNUbee: Google Debian compile kernel for more information
13:31<sney>other people have already done that also, there may be a prepackaged backport kernel that suits your needs GNUbee
13:32<kmap>GNUbee: I agree with what sney says too
13:32<GNUflower>maybe?
13:32<sney>depends on what exactly he's trying to do
13:32<kmap>Ah, it's present on backports, I think?
13:32<GNUbee>kmap: oh yeah, i've done that, i just wanted to rebuild the linux-libc-dev package but can't following the instructions at kernel-handbook
13:32<GNUflower>I feel like a talking flower. Anyways. I think he needs to examine on backports then
13:33<kmap>GNUbee: Sorry, I am unsure how to achieve that.
13:33<GNUbee>GNUflower: yeah i know about backports, i just wanted to try doing it myself
13:33<GNUflower>ah
13:33<sney>tinkering!
13:33<sney>I support tinkering.
13:33<GNUflower>lol
13:33<sney>well, morally. I don't help. that defeats the point
13:33<GNUbee>tinkering exactly!
13:33*kmap looks at http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=lenny-backports&keywords=linux-image-2.6.30
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13:34<GNUflower>oh!
13:34<GNUflower>what is bigmem for lenny?
13:35<GNUflower>it is possibly causing me to have a kernel panic
13:35<kmap>GNUflower: I think it might have to do with >= 4GB of RAM on 32 bit machines
13:35<GNUflower>aha. but I have 2GB
13:35<GNUflower>it is why!
13:35<kmap>!bigmem
13:35<dpkg>-bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead).
13:36<GNUflower>I figured out :)
13:36<GNUflower>that is why it gave me the kernel panic!
13:36<GNUflower>thanks so much
13:36<GNUflower>ok
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13:36<sney>there should be an idiot check addition to that dpkg message, so people don't ask "why isn't there a bigmem for amd64?"
13:36<Bernd_amd64>is that only 32 bit ?
13:36<sney>^
13:36<GNUflower>good question
13:36<kmap>Arch: i386
13:37<vvas>64-bit architectures don't need hacks like bigmem
13:37<kmap>http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-686-bigmem
13:37<vvas>and yeah, bigmem is an i386-only thing
13:37<GNUflower>ok then... hm.
13:37<GNUbee>bigmem doesn't support 32-bit machines with < 4GB of RAM?
13:37<sney>64-bit computing supports up to 16.8 million terabytes of RAM.
13:37<GNUflower>how do I set the i686 as a default in boot list?
13:38<sney>hardware can't get up there yet, but that's why there's no bigmem.
13:38<vvas>GNUflower: bigmem needs a lot of data structures, so they probably filled up your memory
13:38<vvas>GNUflower: why don't you simply uninstall it?
13:38<GNUflower>how?
13:38<kmap>GNUflower: apt-get remove linux-image-...-bigmem
13:38<vvas>like you would uninstall any other package
13:39<sney>don't forget to install the new one though
13:39<vvas>yeah, what kmap said
13:39<sney>you wouldn't want to wind up with no kernel.
13:39<kmap>sney: He has the non-bigmem in his boot list.
13:39<sney>ah, ok.
13:39<GNUflower>yes
13:39<kmap>:-)
13:39<GNUflower>kmap is right
13:39<GNUflower>but I am trying to be careful
13:39<themill>dpkg: no bigmem is <reply> For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need hacks like bigmem.
13:39<dpkg>themill: okay
13:39<kmap>GNUflower: Never hurts.
13:39<GNUbee>GNUflower: you can also edit /boot/grub/menu.lst for that
13:39<GNUflower>yes he is right
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13:40<GNUflower>uhoh how do I know which version of bigmem?
13:41<kmap>GNUflower: dpkg -l|grep bigmem?
13:41<sney>it would also say in the filename/grub menu entry
13:41<GNUflower>ok thanks
13:41<kmap>Ah, that's easier.
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13:41<leejongwook>hello ~
13:41<GNUflower>hello~
13:42<GNUflower>there is a lot of bigmem
13:43<kmap>GNUflower: Paste the output here: http://paste.debian.net and give us the URL
13:43<leejongwook>i made a simple iptables frontend it's not that nice but.. anyone wants mine ?
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13:44<GNUflower>ok I had pasteinit or something
13:44<leejongwook>hi
13:44<sney>leejongwook: put it up on freshmeat.net
13:44<leejongwook>:) ok
13:45<leejongwook>how ?
13:45<leejongwook>;;
13:45<GNUbee>leejongwook: got a link?
13:45<GNUflower>http://paste.debian.net/41906/
13:45<leejongwook>i have tomcat
13:45<sney>it is like any other website. you go there, you make an account, you share the thing you made.
13:45<kmap>GNUflower: Do you use so many kernels? virtualbox as well?
13:46<GNUflower>no I only use the i386 something mostly
13:46<kmap>GNUflower: Also, just in case, tell me the output of uname -r
13:46<GNUflower>ok
13:46<GNUflower>2.6.26-2-686
13:46<kmap>GNUflower: OK, in that case, you can actually remove all the other packages from that list.
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13:47<GNUflower>how?
13:47<kmap>And gain loads of free space and a cleaner grub list. ;-)
13:47<GNUflower>yes!
13:47<GNUflower>that is what I am saying
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13:47<kmap>Well, manually doing apt-get remove <package> for each.
13:47<GNUflower>give me a example?
13:48<kmap>GNUflower: apt-get remove linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem
13:48<kmap>(As root)
13:48<kmap>Or with sudo
13:48<GNUflower>I know :)
13:48<GNUflower>just making sure.
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13:48<kmap>Or, you can write a small text file, with apt-get remove <pkg1> <pkg2> ... <pkgN> and run it
13:48<GNUflower>ooooh.
13:48<GNUflower>that'll be a lot easier
13:48<leejongwook>GNUbee, http://leejongwook.iptime.org:4044/
13:49<kmap>Well, try it.
13:49<leejongwook>sney, http://leejongwook.iptime.org:4044/
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13:49<GNUflower>ok which package I need ot save?
13:49<GNUflower>let me look first
13:49<kmap>GNUflower: None on the list you gave me.
13:49<GNUflower>all of it? o.O?
13:49<leejongwook>O.o
13:49<GNUflower>O.O
13:50<leejongwook>@_@
13:50<kmap>Yes. You are using a kernel which is non-bigmem. But all the packages on the list are bigmem
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13:50<GNUflower>ok hmmm...
13:50<GNUflower>ah
13:50<kmap>GNUflower: If you are brave, try this:
13:50<GNUflower>I'm brave.
13:50<kmap>GNUflower: Give me a minute
13:50<GNUflower>brave as a flower! lol.
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13:51<leejongwook>GNUbee, sney $download.location/gui/run and open http://192.168.0.2:4044/ with your browser.
13:52<kmap>GNUflower: dpkg -l|awk '$2 ~ /bigmem/ { print $2}'
13:52<kmap>GNUflower: Please tell me if it prints a list of packages which have bigmem
13:52<leejongwook>as i said, not that good,but wanted share. dont want to spend more time on it for now..
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13:53<leejongwook>i think it's easy to use. much nicer than setting up in console with lots of port numbers
13:55<GNUbee>leejongwook: it is very nice, my python is terrible though
13:56<leejongwook>wanted add some readme.txt to it. but i'm not good at english, i'm a korean :P(only simple and plain english)
13:56<leejongwook>thanks :) spent 2 days
13:57<leejongwook>:) happy sharing
13:57<leejongwook>@_@
13:57<leejongwook>oops forgot to add .gz
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14:00<leejongwook>@_@
14:00<leejongwook>closing my tomcat..
14:00<GNUflower>then write it in Korean?
14:00<leejongwook>:) korean good
14:00<GNUflower>:)
14:00<leejongwook><-- have little english
14:02<leejongwook>i like here better
14:02<kmap>GNUflower: Tried what I said?
14:02<GNUflower>http://paste.debian.net/41908/
14:02<GNUflower>there
14:02<kmap>OK, checking
14:02<leejongwook>i meant more :P
14:02<kmap>GNUflower: OK, brave step:
14:03<kmap>GNUflower: apt-get remove $(dpkg -l|awk '$2 ~ /bigmem/ {print $2}')
14:03<leejongwook>bye ~ have nice day everyone, see you all next time :)
14:03<kmap>GNUflower: Tell me if it gives me any warning other than "Are you sure..."
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14:03<kmap>GNUflower: (I want to make sure you don't remove your running kernel by accident!
14:04<GNUflower>ok I'm making a link again
14:04<GNUflower>http://paste.debian.net/41909/
14:05<kmap>GNUflower: You're good to go.
14:05<kmap>:-)
14:05<GNUflower>ok
14:05<GNUflower>reboot?
14:06<kmap>GNUflower: No need.
14:06<GNUflower>ok
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14:06<themill>kmap: or just "aptitude remove '.*bigmem'" :)
14:07<GNUflower>kmap's method works too
14:07<kmap>themill: Argh.
14:07<kmap>themill: You should've pre-empted me. :-)
14:07<themill>sorry.... afk cooking dinner
14:10<GNUflower>ok
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14:10<GNUflower>now how do I double check if it is actutally removed?
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14:13<kmap>GNUflower: Run the dpkg -l|grep bigmem
14:13<kmap>It should not show "ii" in the first column
14:13<GNUflower>nope
14:13<GNUflower>I see rc
14:13<kmap>Good. So you're OK
14:13<kmap>man dpkg for details
14:13<GNUflower>yay :)
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14:13*GNUflower is a happy GNU flower now?
14:14<GNUflower>I'll reboot to make sure anyways
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14:26<urbinek>hi
14:26<urbinek>what is the easiest way to share internet connection via WiFi
14:27<urbinek>i've got debian with 00:0a.0 Network controller: Texas Instruments ACX 100 22Mbps Wireless Interface
14:27<urbinek>and wanna share with laptop
14:27<urbinek>no passords etc, just click connect and go
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14:31<drakeman_>hey urbinek how are you man
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14:31<urbinek>drakeman_: good, a lot of work
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14:33<urbinek>and u ?
14:34<drakeman_>fine, xD learning and klearning hehe
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14:34<leo025>help me please
14:34<urbinek>leo025: ?
14:34<urbinek>drakeman_: so learn how to share internet via wifi xP\
14:34<leo025>i want install brub gfx in lenny
14:35<drakeman_>urbinek, plop! hehehehe, i dont use wifi in home :D
14:35<leo025>urbinek help me
14:36<urbinek>what is grub gfx ?
14:36<leo025>grub most better for mod
14:37<urbinek>i don't know this, where you got problems ?
14:37<leo025>umm
14:38<leo025>i want install with dpkg -i grub-gfxboot_0.97-42_amd64.deb but i have error
14:39<urbinek>copy error
14:39<urbinek>http://pastebin.com/
14:40<leo025>http://pastebin.ca/1496074
14:40<leo025>there is
14:40-!-Colt is now known as rostayob
14:40<leo025>i have lenny in spanish
14:41<urbinek>as root > sudo apt-get -f insta;;
14:41<urbinek>install *
14:41<urbinek>and install it again\
14:41<leo025>sudo apt-get -f install FILE?
14:42<leo025>?
14:42<urbinek>no
14:42<urbinek>just apt-get -f install
14:42<urbinek>as root ofcource
14:42<leo025>jajaj
14:42<leo025>ok
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14:42<urbinek>of course *
14:44<leo025>ummm
14:44<leo025>E: No se pudo encontrar el paquete grub-gfxboot_0.97-42_amd64.deb
14:44<leo025>ls and ther is
14:44<urbinek>english please
14:45<leo025>umm my english is bad lol
14:45<drakeman_>urbinek, he wash saying that aptitude cant find the package with that name
14:45<leo025>but i try
14:46<drakeman_>but when he press ls, he can see the file.
14:46<leo025>yeah thanks drakeman
14:46<drakeman_>leo025, you welcome :D
14:46<urbinek>no no
14:46<urbinek>justy type
14:46<urbinek>apt-get -f insall
14:46<urbinek>NOT apt-get -f insall grub-gfxboot_0.97-42_amd64.deb
14:46<leo025>ok
14:46<drakeman_>leo025, you dont have to put the package namme, just the command given apt-get -f install
14:47<leo025>jajajaj
14:47<leo025>sorry
14:47<leo025>:(
14:47<drakeman_>ok :D
14:47<leo025>yeah its work
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14:48<drakeman_>!cogratulate leo025
14:48<drakeman_>!congratulate leo025
14:48<dpkg>Huzzah leo025, you did it!
14:49<leo025>ummm
14:49<leo025>but there installing grub-gfxboot_0.97-42_amd64.deb?
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14:49<urbinek>now try install grub-gfxboot_0.97-42_amd64.deb
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14:49<urbinek>but i cant find this in any repo
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14:51<leo025>yeah nice
14:51<leo025>thanks men
14:51<urbinek>np :)
14:51<leo025>urbinek and drakeman
14:52<urbinek>apt-get -f install try to fix broken packages and install missing depences
14:52<leo025>ok
14:53<drakeman>leo025, im just the translator
14:53<drakeman>:D
14:54<leo025>jajaja
14:54<drakeman>he urbinek this wont work to share wifi ? ---> you have a tail
14:54<drakeman>ehh sorry
14:54<drakeman>urbinek, ----> http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/55617
14:55<urbinek>"you have a tail" over-lol xD
14:55<drakeman>hahahaa
14:55<drakeman>urbinek, sorry.
14:55<drakeman>xD
14:55<ml|>haha
14:55<drakeman>ml|, hahaha, just copy that line and paste in google to translat it to spanish :D
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14:56<urbinek>drakeman: is it furry Friday xD ?
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14:57<drakeman>urbinek, ????
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14:57<urbinek>drakeman: never mind, 4chan meme :P
14:57<urbinek>i'll check this lin
14:57<urbinek>l
14:57<urbinek>k *
14:57<drakeman>urbinek, ok
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15:17<Garp>Hi.
15:18<urbinek>sup\
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15:19<Garp>Question: booting on a rescue CD, I can chroot in my / but I have no full network access (I could ping but nothing else: no name resolution, telnet, etc). A shell that is directly at the rescue level have full network capabilities. Any suggestion? Thanks.
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15:20<petemc>Garp: put a working nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf
15:21<Garp>petemc: not enough :( I cannot access the name server: outside of ping, nothing works: eg: nc -u <numeric-ip-ofdns> just timeout
15:21<Garp>(on port 53, of course)
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15:22<Garp>(oups...) worng
15:22<Garp>wrong.
15:22<Garp>let me see
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15:23<urbinek>Grap echo "208.67.222.222" >> /etc/resolv.conf ; echo "208.67.220.220" >> /etc/resolv.conf ; /etc/init.d/networking restart
15:23<urbinek>?
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15:23<petemc>you mean "nameserver 208.."
15:23<urbinek>yes, sorry i forgot
15:24<petemc>and you dont need to restart networking
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15:24<urbinek>petemc: no ? i always restart
15:24<petemc>not required
15:24<vvas>Garp, can you explain what you said initially a bit more? about one bit having limited network access and some other bit having full access?
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15:28<vvas>ah, he means inside the chroot i guess
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15:28<vvas>yeah, in that case, it does sound like a resolv.conf issue
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15:33<spybot>oie
15:33<spybot>.-.
15:33<spybot>essa canal bomba
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15:33<spybot>alguem gosta de windows?
15:33<spybot>:D
15:33<spybot>ninguem windows =/
15:33-!-gh0st is now known as span
15:33<drakeman>spybot, this channel if for english speakers, not portugese
15:33<spybot>putz .-.
15:34<spybot>I dont speak inglish :S
15:34<drakeman>spybot, and is not for windows questions ?D
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15:35<spybot>Speak portuguese please :S
15:35<drakeman>spybot, nosotros no fallamos portuguese
15:35<drakeman>:D
15:35<spybot>Ninguem fala portugues aqui nao? :S
15:35<spybot>Channel debian-br ?
15:36<ml|>!br
15:36<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
15:36<spybot>Debian brazil
15:36<drakeman>spybot, que não falam Português
15:36<spybot>ae vlw
15:36<spybot>tank you
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15:37<drakeman>spybot, you welcome
15:37<spybot>are from?
15:38<sney`>he means, de nada
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15:38<spybot>speak portuguese?/
15:38<spybot>:DDDDDDDDDd
15:38<sney`>no
15:38<spybot>Brasil Hot grilz :}
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15:38<sney`>un poco de espanol solamente
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15:39<drakeman>hahhaha
15:39<spybot>espanol u poquito si tambm
15:40<sney`>debemos hablar ingles solamente aqui.
15:40<sney`>so I'll stop. and you should too!
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15:40<spybot>no ablo ingles
15:41<spybot>so portugues
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15:41<sney`>que lastima.
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15:43<spybot>sney,
15:43<spybot>Go brazil hotgirls
15:43<spybot>;D
15:44<spybot>las tica sao muito lindas
15:44<sney`>ya tengo una esposa
15:44<sney`>now go away! you're making me break the rules. D:
15:44<drakeman>hahaha
15:44<drakeman>sney, are you latin.?
15:44<spybot>fiel?
15:45<sney`>nope! I grew up in new york city, surrounded by dominicanos y puertoriquenos... I learn fast
15:45<sney`>I am as white as they come, though.
15:45<ml|>haha
15:46<drakeman>hhahaha
15:46<sney`>jajajaja
15:46<spybot>esposa :}
15:46<spybot>nice
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15:48<spybot>By gringos
15:48<Garp>Hi again (crashed something)
15:48<spybot>kiss all
15:49<spybot>=*
15:49<spybot>ops
15:49<spybot>solamente nas ticas.
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15:49<sney`>adios spybot.
15:49<sney`>Garp: sup?
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15:49<wild>hi there
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15:50<Garp>Question: how to temporary disable nvidia kernel modules? 5I have problems I would like to check without it). If possible without uninstalling the pkg (I installed it by apt-get). Thanks.
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15:50<Garp>I dont need X to work for my tests, just to have a plain non-tainted kernel booting.
15:51<sney`>there are a few options, you could blacklist it in /etc/modprobe.d/, rename/move the module file itself, uninstall the package but keep the file around to reinstall with dpkg -i...
15:53<sney`>hmm though blacklisting might not work
15:53<sney`>renaming/moving the file is probably the easiest solution, you might pop a warning but it'll still boot
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15:53<Garp>sney`: thanks.
15:54<sney`>no problem
15:54<wild>I'm novice in Linux. Please, help me. How can i disable some service from /etc/init.d/? Apache or squid for example?
15:54<vvas>Garp: as far as i know, the module is only loaded when X first starts
15:55<Garp>vvas: I'll give it a try anyway...
15:55<vvas>Garp: i guess if you want to be sure, you can also rename/move it temporarily
15:55<Garp>vvas: that looks vry effectie
15:55<sney`>some proprietary modules do funny things that they probably shouldn't
15:56<Garp>I have a sata disk problem, but i doubt it's hardware
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15:57<jackyf>wild: use update-rc.d utility
15:57<Garp>I may post more about this if I cant fix it.
15:58<wild>jackyf, thx a lot
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16:13<Wooga_tc>is there any way to install older version of package and all it's depndences?
16:13<Wooga_tc>in case of bug appearing
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16:18<nxxn>msg alis list *mythtv-users
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16:19<drakeman>Wooga_tc, you installl the package from another release?
16:19<Wooga_tc>yes, from another branch
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16:20<drakeman>Wooga_tc, what rlease are you using ?
16:20<drakeman>testing?
16:20<drakeman>stable?
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16:21<Wooga_tc>lenny as main
16:21<Jason1>hm...
16:21<Wooga_tc>a lot of package from testing
16:21<Wooga_tc>and now that one from sid
16:21<Wooga_tc>and few build by own
16:21<Jason1>ok how do I turn on yahoo in pidgin, I have issues with pidgin in debian
16:21<Jason1>only yahoo is the issue
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16:23<LDA>hola, conoceis algún canal donde me puedan ayudar con un problema que tengo con la wifi?
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16:23<drakeman>Wooga_tc, you have a preference file into /etc/apt/ to make the install from other debian versions
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16:23<drakeman>LDA, #debian-es
16:23<LDA>gracias
16:23<drakeman>si hablas ingles aca
16:23<LDA>i also speak english
16:23<drakeman>well you can ask here
16:23<drakeman>xD
16:23<LDA>:P
16:24<drakeman>!dpkg tell LDA about wireless
16:24-!-adb [~hic@orb-rem-catv-c100-p100.vtx.ch] has joined #debian
16:24<LDA>im just having some problems with my wifi
16:24<LDA>i cant conect to a ap on channel 13
16:24<LDA>i have been doing some reseach
16:24<LDA>and most ppl say i have to edit
16:24<LDA>a line
16:24<LDA>in
16:25<LDA>'/etc/modprobe.d/options'
16:25<LDA>i am using debian squeeze
16:25<LDA>and i cant find it
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16:26<Wooga_tc>drakeman: yes, there is stable pined to 1001, testing to 60 and unstable to 50
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16:27<Wooga_tc>but i used -t unstable to see new version of package
16:27<Wooga_tc>and now i see that it is broken
16:27<Jason1>I need to fix the yahoo protocol in Pidgin
16:27<Wooga_tc>so i want to revert this install
16:27<drakeman>you can make another line with the package name and set pined to 1001
16:27<AzaToth>gah... everytime my computer makes the quadruple death beep noice, I think it's the last time the computer is alive
16:27<LDA>#debian-es
16:28<drakeman>or why you just dont install the package from the sable.
16:28<Jason1>stable version?
16:28<Wooga_tc>it is already instsalled
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16:28<Wooga_tc>from unstable
16:28<Jason1>I am using the stable version
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16:28<AzaToth>but after a through vacuum of the graphic card, it starts fine
16:28<Wooga_tc>and have much of depndences
16:28<Jason1>lol.
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16:29<Wooga_tc>i need just to replace current version with stable and affected depndences
16:29<drakeman>Wooga_tc, Package: <nameof the package> ----> Pin: release a=therelease you wnat -----> Pin-Priority: 1001
16:29<Jason1>!tell me about pidgin
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16:29<Wooga_tc>drakeman: but would it work if package already installed ?
16:29<Wooga_tc>wouldn't apt-get install package say that it is already highest version in system ?
16:30<drakeman>Wooga_tc, the 1001 is to force the version to back to the release you put in the Pin line
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16:31<drakeman>Wooga_tc, but, never happenned to me before but, you already tried to uninstall th epackage?
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16:31<Wooga_tc>i can't, it is metapacakge with unmark-auto
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16:32<Jason1>I'm upgrading my pidgin
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16:33<craigevil>!pinning
16:33<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
16:34<drakeman>Wooga_tc, can u unhold the package
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16:34<Wooga_tc>how?
16:34<Jason1>how do I upgrade Pidgin?
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16:35<Wooga_tc>what unholding is?
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16:36<craigevil>Jason1: what release are you using?
16:36<Jason1>!tell me about how to upgrade pidgin
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16:36<craigevil>if you are using stable backport it from sid yoursefl
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16:36<Jason1>I have debian lenny, and the current version I have is Pidgin 2.4.3
16:36<drakeman>hold is to avoid the upgrade of a package,the opposite
16:36<craigevil>!tell Jason1 about ssb
16:37<Wooga_tc>drakeman: but which this property is? apt? aptitude? /etc/apt/preference?
16:37<Jason1>I'm not sure....
16:38<drakeman>Wooga_tc, http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-package.en.html
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16:38<craigevil>!hold
16:38<dpkg>rumour has it, hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic) but that aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. Ask me about <why aptitude>.
16:38<Jason1>why not I can do this: aptitude upgrade pidgin?
16:39<drakeman>Wooga_tc, http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-package.en.html -------> 6.2.3 part
16:39<dkr>Jason1: are you trying to upgrade to fix the yahoo issue?
16:39<Jason1>yes
16:40<drakeman>Wooga_tc, like i tell you never happened before to me, but im telling you the theory xD
16:40<Wooga_tc>drakeman: i have no packages hold
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16:40<Jason1>dkr, you figured out
16:40<dkr>!tell Jason1 about pidgin yahoo
16:40<drakeman>Wooga_tc, what happen whenyou try to remove the package?
16:40<dkr>use that workaround. that's what i did and it works fine
16:40<Jason1>I did use that
16:40<Jason1>ok I guess it is working
16:41<Wooga_tc>it removes well. because it is meta-package with unmarkauto ~Rpackage
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16:41<Wooga_tc>but it is obviously not helps
16:42<drakeman>Wooga_tc, you want to remove the dependences too?
16:42<Wooga_tc>there is most part of my system
16:42<Wooga_tc>X's, X's utils...
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16:43<drakeman>Wooga_tc, sorry didnt understand the last line, not a great english speakre.
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16:45<Wooga_tc>well, just size of depndences is about ~1gb+
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16:45<Wooga_tc>and not whole of them was currpted with new sid's metapackage version
16:45<drakeman>:-o
16:46<drakeman>Wooga_tc, wha is the package name?
16:46<Wooga_tc>gnome
16:47<Wooga_tc>1045mb of ~Rgnome
16:47<Jason1>lol
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16:50<paggas>how do i setup an initrd for booting with the root fs being in lvm inside a luks encrypted partition? /boot is on a separate non-lvm, non-encrypted partition (namely /dev/sda5)
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16:50<paggas>the root fs is in lvm, and lvm is inside luks
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16:50<drakeman>Wooga_tc, didnt understand so much what exaclty you are trying to do but see if this helps with remove some of package inside metapackages ---> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=39045
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16:53<InkBottle>hi, pcmanfm is at that moment using 50% of cpu time, only because I'm constantly adding files (one each 30s) in the directory it's displaying
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16:53<InkBottle>it seems it's a bug
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17:01<gnude>hello
17:01<drakeman>hi
17:01<drakeman>Wooga_tc, the link help?
17:01<gnude>speaking german?
17:01<kmap>!de
17:01<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
17:02<Wooga_tc>uhh, actualy i alrady removed all depndences of gnome and depndences of depndences
17:02<gnude>englishspeaking is interesting. we can do
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17:03<davi>I confirm that the Debian Lenny stable FireFox (iceweasel) crash frecuently (x86 architecture)
17:03<davi>and that my FireFox iceweasel, on 64 architecture
17:03<Wooga_tc>but not as frequent as firefox 3.5 built fo x86_64 crashes on flash
17:03<davi>crash frecuently too
17:03<craigevil>blame it on the crappy flash sites
17:03<drakeman>Wooga_tc, ohhh! i see!
17:04<drakeman>davi, use opera :D
17:04<davi>My wife use Youtube a lot (baby)
17:04<Wooga_tc>well, opera have troubles with flash too, but it at least no crashes
17:04<craigevil>3.5 in sid on 32bit hasnt crashed on me yet
17:04<Wooga_tc>when flahplugin segfailts
17:04<Wooga_tc>segfaults*
17:04<drakeman>Wooga_tc, well the beta version of opera 10. wont cause any flash problems to me
17:04<davi>Do you think if I disable flash it will not crash at least on my PC (x64) ?
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17:04<drakeman>just with the youtube hd videos, little pause in the video when playing
17:05<Wooga_tc>for me 10'th opera causes more problems with flash then 9.64
17:05<davi>drakeman, Yes, I am thinking about advise to use Opera to my wife
17:05<Wooga_tc>i use x86_64 bulds in both cases and 64-bit 10th flash
17:05<drakeman>Wooga_tc, the 9.64 cause problems for me with ww.jango.com,
17:05<jetftwi>I have currently installed debian and I want to enable root login for administration purpose I sometimes get tired of writing a lot of command the monotonous sudo and feel " it is better to lose the whole system than write 200 sudo per day" ,so which file in gdm and kdm or else should I modify to enable root rogin
17:06<Wooga_tc>jetftwi: sudo su
17:06<jetftwi>whatis sudo su if you would
17:06<dkr>root login was enabled when you installed
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17:06<Wooga_tc>it logins to root shell
17:07<Wooga_tc>you need to use sudo only once for this
17:07<drakeman>jetftwi, you use deibna? or ubuntu?
17:07<jetftwi>I use debian
17:07<jetftwi>and I need graphical login
17:08<dkr>just open a terminal and su to root once, and leave the term open and use it when you need to do admin stuff as root
17:08<drakeman>yes.
17:08<sney`>the only way it won't allow a root login is if you didn't set a root password
17:09<dkr>aren't you require to during the install?
17:09<sney`>it's optional now
17:09<dkr>ah
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17:09<sney`>and it says something like 'if you don't set a password, maintenance tasks will require sudo'
17:09<jetftwi>how about graphical tools they frequently ask for password which I am obliged to have short password instead
17:10<drakeman>jetftwi, but you cant login as root ?
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17:10<drakeman>login to the grafical environmenas root
17:10<drakeman>u use gnome?
17:10<jetftwi>hey I have loged in in my other sytem in which life is easey being root
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17:10<dkr>jetftwi: open terminal. type "su" and enter root password. now you have a shell running as root and any commands you run from that shell will be run with root privileges. no further passwords needed
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17:11<jetftwi>gnome kde and etc
17:11<themill>jetftwi: why not just run "su" in a terminal while logged in as your regular user?
17:11<sney`>you can even use X applications if you use sux
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17:11<rumbarg>jetftwi: sux should allow graphical access to root if that's what you're asking
17:11<Wooga_tc>sudo su might be easier if you used sudo a just a few minutess ago
17:11<drakeman>jetftwi, you can login as root into gnome editting gdm.conf (if you use it) set allowroot to true
17:11<Wooga_tc>since it rememberes for a while
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17:12<Wooga_tc>and also you can use gnome's keyrings to store the passords for gui tools
17:12<themill>!gksu
17:12<dpkg>gksu is a graphical interface for running X apps as another user such as root. aptitude install gksu. Also ask me about <sux>.
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17:12<jetftwi>sux I want to know more please
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17:13<sney`>!sux
17:13<dpkg>sux is a utility for running X apps as a different user. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ . Also ask me about <root x> for other alternatives. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about. Ask me about <u>.
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17:16<jetftwi>my sytem currently installs packages only from cdrom in which I have mounted it from iso image but I want the other parts of packages from internet
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17:17<sney`>you need to edit your sources.list
17:17<sney`>comment out the apt-cdrom line and do aptitude update
17:17<jetftwi>which internet sites can I add to it
17:17<drakeman>!dpkg tells jetftwi about sources.list
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17:19<jetftwi>one last question please I want to know about the best graphical and administration tools available in linux openldap admins which tools are available I can give you my background if you want
17:20<Jason1>oh great
17:20<Jason1>my Vituralbox is broken again
17:20<Jason1>Makefile:147: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again. Stop.
17:22<drakeman>Jason1, mmm virtualbox are working yesterday, and today isnt working?... you do something?
17:22<drakeman>sory, was working
17:23<Jason1>no.
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17:24<drakeman>Jason1, mmm
17:24<drakeman>Jason1, this fix that problem for a lot of people
17:24<drakeman>first ---> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
17:24<drakeman>second ---> sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
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17:25<sney`>he probably removed too many kernels earlier
17:25<drakeman>Jason1, if you want try the second to see if works......
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17:25<drakeman>sney, maybe.
17:25<Jason1>it works
17:25<drakeman>?
17:25<drakeman>Jason1, what?
17:25<Jason1>recompiling
17:26<jetftwi>any one please who can tell me good graphical tools
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17:26<Jason1>which tools?
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17:26<Jason1>wow
17:26<Jason1>it works
17:26<drakeman>Jason1, i dont undestando you, what works for you? virtual box is already working?
17:26<Jason1>yes when you provided me 2 commands
17:27<Jason1>it works
17:27<drakeman>Jason1, you use both, or just the second one?
17:27<Jason1>both
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17:28<Jason1>:)
17:28<Jason1>it works fine, I might should recompile my linux
17:29<drakeman>Jason1, well be careful
17:29<drakeman>xD
17:29<Jason1>true
17:29<Jason1>oh well
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17:33<jetftwi>graphical tools for administration
17:33<Jason1>ah
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17:33<jetftwi>any one please for ldap at least
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17:35<jetftwi>drakeman , sney and all others thankyou very much
17:35<drakeman>you welcome
17:36<Jason1>!win jetftwi
17:36<dpkg>Congratulations, jetftwi! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
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17:37<drakeman>haha
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17:37<jetftwi>How good it is to be with you
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17:39<Jason1>hm.
17:39<Jason1>!win Jason1
17:39<dpkg>Congratulations, Jason1! You have won the US presidency!
17:39<Jason1>lol
17:39<Jason1>I wish
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17:44<stanley>Good evening. Is somebody can help to linux noob please?
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17:45<adb>begin by asking..
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17:49<stanley>Ok. I am not a very big specialist of linux and here is my problem. I am already try clean install of lenny/squeeze and have a same effect. When I finish a clear installation with a minimum of packages I have a VERY big number of dropped RX packets on one of network interfaces. It is not good from my point of view but I have no idea what to do. So I simply start a crunchbang linux from my...
17:49<stanley>...use ben in live state and it's correctly recognize both network interfsces and there is no any dropped packets on eth0. So I reboot into Debian and have previous picture, one of network interface count a VERY big number (millions in second) RX dropped packets.
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17:50<stanley>Crunchbang linux from my usb flash pen I mean.
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17:51<stanley>I just try to stop working with MS Windows and use only linux at home and right now try to configure home router and really want to use exactly Debian but have a strange problems with dropped RX packets when I show them on ifconfig.
17:51<stanley>Any ideas?
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17:59<drakeman>see you later guys
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18:01<vvas>stanley: try a newer kernel? can't think of anything else really...
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18:02<stanley>But, is it really bad that number of dropped packets? And is it really difficult to change a kernel? I am a windows geek and it is so hard to me.
18:03<adb>stanley: uname -r , says ?
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18:40<Nemoder>how do I get exim to authenticate with my isp's pop3 server? I created an entry in /etc/exim4/passwd.client but it isn't using it.
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19:08<deniz>i use the 2.6.29-bpo.2-amd64 kernel in lenny, is there a way to get virtualbox-ose to work?
19:09<adb>try .30-bpo
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19:14<deniz>adb, no i'm just looking for like modules and stuff for my specific kernel, im not having a problem with the kernel
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19:15<ml|>!virtualbox
19:15<dpkg>[virtualbox] a virtual machine solution. VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is available for Lenny and as a backport for Etch. Ask me about <vbox-install lenny>, <vbox-install etch>, <vbox-install squeeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>.
19:15<ml|>deniz: did you read any of this ^^^
19:17<deniz>i read dkms will recompile the kernel module i need for my kernel change
19:18<deniz>ill be bak after my breakfast
19:19*adb hmm breakfast
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19:21<ml|>breaking a fast is good ;)
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19:25*adb Success! on .30-bpo Starting VirtualBox kernel module:done..
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19:38<bronaugh>hmm
19:38<bronaugh>so I want a specific command to exec during initrd. what's the best way to go about this?
19:39<ml|>!beer adb
19:39*dpkg deftly decants a fine Delirium Tremens for adb
19:40<adb>ml|: not me, vbox ..
19:40<ml|>yes you :)
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19:46<bronaugh>ok, figured that out. real question: is sysfs mounted in initrd?
19:48<adb>better even , what's your real questions bronaugh ?
19:48<bronaugh>I want this to exec in initrd:
19:48<bronaugh>echo -n "1000 0059" > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/mptsas/new_id
19:49<bronaugh>this'd have to happen after the module's loaded, of course, and while sysfs is mounted.
19:49<adb>dc initrd , edit it , re compress it , that's all
19:50<bronaugh>yeah, ok. but that doesn't help with knowing whether sysfs is mounted in the first place
19:50<bronaugh>and I'd rather do this in a way that makes it happen whenever a new kernel is installed.
19:50<bronaugh>I understand there's some debian infrastructure to do this wrt mkinitrd
19:51<adb>bronaugh: what's initrd for you ?
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19:51<bronaugh>eh?
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19:52<adb>google `initrd`
19:52<bronaugh>uh yeah. I know what an initrd is.
19:52<adb>you don't
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19:53<bronaugh>what I'm talking about is the initrd environment that the script is executing in.
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19:53<bronaugh>ie, initrd starts w/o anything mounted, mounts at least procfs I'd guess, loads all the modules, then does a pivot_root and gets on with life.
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19:53<ml|>!initrd
19:53<dpkg>somebody said initrd was initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd
19:54<bronaugh>but I'm not sure if it mounts sysfs
19:54<adb>bronaugh: what's sysfs for you ?
19:55<bronaugh>!sysfs
19:55<dpkg>cd /usr/src/linux-`uname -r`/Documentation; grep -r sysfs *
19:55<bronaugh>that's sysfs.
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19:56<adb>thanks ml| for helping
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19:57<ml|>np
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19:59<bronaugh>ok, figured it out on my own.
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20:11<meglo>I'm trying to install debian lenny i386 from a 128mb usb drive(my BIOS supports this) but the instructions on how to do this assume(both methods described) you're running a unix. I am on Windows currently using UNetBootin extract the business-card ISO onto the drive. It barely fits but cannot boot. In some of the FTPs I see a mini.iso that weighs in at around 8mb, and things related to floppy boot.
20:11<meglo>The installer and wiki say things at odds with each other, I can read more and play around some
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20:13<meglo>hmmm debian.exe
20:15<meglo>No idea how the boot process works. This is formatted as fat32 and I'm unsure if it is marked as bootable. What files should be in the root directory to boot? vmlinuz/initrd/isolinux
20:15<meglo>Ah I don't even know what unetbootin did
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20:16<meglo>gotta run as admin
20:17<meglo>ugh, windows
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21:06<wild>how can i exec ftp client from mc by hotkey?
21:08<adb>F9> Left/or Right > Ftp link ?
21:09<wild>is it, but i want exec like "Alt+F"
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22:49<Tom>Hey guys. My mouse and keyboard doesn't work on my unstable machine (updated about 12 hours ago). I don't think HAL starts. Is this a known recent problem?
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22:52<SuperMiguel>put hal on ur rc file
22:52<abrotman>!bts
22:52<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
22:56<Tom>abrotman: There are no relevant bug reports. I think HAL failing is a consequence of another package failing. I don't know what package this is, however.
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