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---Logopened Thu Jul 23 00:00:47 2009
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00:24<Jason1>hi
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00:36<arw>lhi
00:36<Jason1>hm. oh question.
00:37<Jason1>How do I unRAR the .part1.rar (then ...2..rar, etc..?)
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00:44<adb>!unRAR
00:44<dpkg>[unrar] a <non-free> package and utility to extract <RAR> 3.0 archives. For earlier archive versions, ask me about <unrar-free>.
00:45<adb>!unrar-free
00:45<dpkg>somebody said unrar-free was an unarchiver for <RAR> files that can't handle archives in the RAR 3.0 format, which is by far the most used RAR format (ask me about <unrar> for 3.0).
00:46<Jason1>uhhh...
00:46<Jason1>can you define a bit clearly please dpkg?
00:47<adb>install unrar unrar-free
00:47<Jason1>I know :)
00:47<Jason1>I know you meant, but on his direction and explaination I still don't understand.
00:48<adb>unrar .part1.rar
00:48<drakeman>hey, goog evening, i installed icewm and now to have some desktop icons, i installed idesk, i want to know wher is the best way to put idesk to autostart when debian boots? xinitrc? inside /etc/init.d/ ?, inside the /etc/rc2.d/ directory? not sure where too put the line to autostart the program, any ideas? thanks in advance.
00:50<Jason1>done adb
00:50<adb>repeat again ..
00:51<Jason1>ah part2, part3,?
00:51<adb>sure, no ?
00:51<Jason1>why not there is a easier way?
00:52<adb>sure, but not from me ;)
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00:52<Jason1>it's alright, bud
00:56<arw>Jason1: rar a -vXXXm «number_of_pieces» «file»
00:57<Jason1>oooh.
00:57<drakeman>any ideas¿?
00:57<arw>where the XXXm means the amount of Megs that we want by piece
00:57<Jason1>1,2,3,4,5,6,7? right?
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00:57<Jason1>oh...
00:57<Jason1>intereing.
00:58<arw>eg: rar a -v1 7 foo_file
00:58<Jason1>interesting*
00:58<arw>means:
00:58<arw>1 = one meg by piece
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00:58<arw>7 means 7 pieces or parts of my file
00:59<arw>foo_file= the name of rhe file
00:59<Jason1>Aha.
01:00<arw>for 7z
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01:00<arw>7z a -t7z -v -mx
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01:00<Jason1>interesting difference.
01:01<arw>and is your home work to know what means ;)
01:01<Jason1>aww... thanks bud
01:01<Jason1>maybe I need to examine more on extracting the files.
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01:02<arw>Jason1: your welcome, for the hext time, will be good search on net before
01:02<Jason1>what if the file is different size on each file?
01:02<arw>;)
01:05<Jason1>ah I see now.
01:05<Jason1>I still wonder if .rar and .r00 format is different.
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01:14<Tekno>morning
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01:21<Jason1>g2g to bed
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01:32<enouf>clit and Arkenklo it was *dmraid* _not_ mdadm that i was thinking of that uses device-mapper http://people.redhat.com/heinzm/sw/dm/README
01:32<enouf>Arkenklo: just to correct myself, and mistatements ;-)
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01:43<vigneswari>hello everyone
01:43<vigneswari>i need help to bring up my server
01:43<vigneswari>am using lenny..and it is crashed..now i want to take backup of mysql
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01:44<vigneswari>but mysql is not at all starting
01:45<vigneswari>WARNING: invoke-rc.d called during shutdown sequence
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01:45<vigneswari>is the error am getting while trying to start mysql
01:46<vigneswari>can anybody suggest me to take the backup of mysql
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01:49<jm_>vigneswari: so start it without invoke-rc.d if you think it's a good idea
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01:54<Arkenklo>dmraid, indeed
01:55<Arkenklo>I've heard that before
01:55<Arkenklo>actually used it
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01:56<lethias>hello
01:58<Toxicshell>hi
01:59<lethias>Is Ubuntu the only distro derivative of Debian that has the latest software?
01:59<Toxicshell>not
02:00<Toxicshell>Dreamlinux derivate of Debian too
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02:00<craigevil>lethias: sidux
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02:01<lethias>I love debian, have used it for years, but the only thing I don't like is that apps like gnome or gimp are never updated to the lastest versions, thats why I was asking. I'm really a fan of ubuntu. Its alright but not my flavor if you know what I mean.
02:02<Toxicshell>lethias, maybe you can upgrade to SID
02:02<vigneswari>jm_, how to start mysql without invoke-rc.d
02:02<Toxicshell>i will use Sid
02:02<vigneswari>jm_, i did /etc/init.d/mysql start
02:02<craigevil>lethias: so just run sid if you know what your doing its not difficult
02:02<Toxicshell>and i have the lastest version of softwares
02:03<jm_>vigneswari: check what start-stop-daemon calls in the script and use that
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02:03<lethias>toxicshell, didn't know sid had the latest software on it.
02:03<vigneswari>jm_, in which script
02:04<vigneswari>i didnt get u
02:04<Toxicshell>lethias, what version of debian u use ?
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02:04<chealer>lethias: no Debian derivative has "the latest software"
02:04<craigevil>lethias: ubuntu is based on a snapshot of sid
02:05<jm_>vigneswari: in /etc/init.d/mysql obviously
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02:06<lethias>see I wondered how ubuntu kept up all the time, I never understood taht.
02:06<lethias>I'm running lenny.
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02:07<Toxicshell>lethias, you can change your repositories to sid, and after upgrade the system
02:07<oliver>Hi peoples i am having issues with installed fglrx
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02:08<oliver>X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) Major opcode of failed request: 145 (GLX) Minor opcode of failed request: 19 (X_GLXQueryServerString) Serial number of failed request: 17 Current serial number in output stream: 17
02:08<oliver>Thats the error im getting :( when running fglrxinfo
02:08<lethias>I'll have to do that then.
02:09<musca>lethias: gnome is often broken in sid, and kde has to be upgraded to kde 4.2.4
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02:10<Prathibha>I am using debian lenny. The system quits expectedly often. The contents of xsession-errors file is pasted in http://pastebin.com/m3cffb66f. Can anyone help me out in solving the problem
02:11<oliver>Just need someones advice should i use 32bit Debian or 64Bit? my CPU is 64bit supported
02:11<vigneswari>thank jm_
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02:13<chealer>Prathibha: you seem to have a screensaver issue
02:14<jm_>I think that's just a consequence of session-manager and thus X server exiting - does X logfile show normal exit?
02:15<lethias>Is hard to upgrade gnome manually in lenny?
02:15<lethias>*Is it hard to upgrade gnome manually in lenny?
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02:17<Prathibha>jm_, Are you telling abt my problem, if so which file I need to check
02:17<jm_>Prathibha: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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02:20<chealer>lethias: why would you do that?
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02:22<lethias>So as to beable to use the latest version of gnome.
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02:23<lethias>I've tried the latest version of gimp in windows and like much better than the current version in the debian repositories.
02:23<lethias>Thats why I was wondering if its very difficult to beable to build the latest.
02:24<chealer>lethias: that would certainly be much harder than the gains would justify
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02:24<chealer>lethias: FYI, GIMP is not part of GNOME
02:24<lethias>I know
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02:26<lethias>chealer, debian gnome is version 2.22.3, the latest version of gnome out currently is gnome 2.26.
02:27<lethias>gimp has a far better version out currently as well.
02:27<Toxicshell>lethias, if you change a sid, your upgrade the sistem
02:27<Toxicshell>system
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02:28<lethias>I understand the debian is developed with stability in mind. I completely understand that but why is that they only upgrade little items and never the bigger apps such as gnome?
02:28<Toxicshell>but
02:28<lethias>I maybe misunderstanding gnome as well. I will admit.
02:29<Toxicshell>gnome 2.26.1
02:29<Toxicshell>is not stable
02:29<Toxicshell>so, don't find in the lenny repositories
02:29<chealer>lethias: what you call "debian gnome" is just lenny's gnome
02:29<Toxicshell>Lenny is stable
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02:29<Toxicshell>lenny is for Servers
02:29<Toxicshell>why is really stable
02:30<jm_>lethias: those are just security updates, on special occasions also some other updates
02:30<Toxicshell>don't chashes
02:30<lethias>ok, thats makes more sense.
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02:30<chealer>lethias: all packages are updated equally (modulo maintainer availability)
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02:32<lethias>So in other words, for per say I want a webserver, I would use, Lenny. For my desktop, I would more likely to upgrade and use sid.
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02:33<jm_>lethias: testing is a better idea than sid
02:33<chealer>lethias: not really. sid is generally not meant to be used as a default release
02:33<lethias>My apologies if I'm frustrating you guys or upsetting any of you. I just have never quite understood.
02:33<jm_>testing is less likely to grab you by your balls
02:34<lethias>jm_, lol understandable.
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02:37<lethias>I do like the fact that ubuntu runs most everything up to date. I just don't like the way the system is setup though.
02:37<lethias>I like the way lenny is setup and run
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02:39<chealer>lethias: Ubuntu is not really on topic, but it doesn't run "most everything" up to date
02:40<jm_>don't forget that majority of packages in ubuntu come from sid
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02:40<jm_>i.e. the universe
02:40<amodeb>hi ..anyone has tested asterisk on debian??
02:41<lethias>jm_, so I should most likely try testing then for what I'm wanting, correct?
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02:43<chealer>amodeb: just ask your question
02:43<chealer>lethias: correct
02:44<lethias>Thank you for guys for explaining that to me, I greatly appreciate it. Sorry for causing a bit of a ruckus.
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02:45<jm_>lethias: yup
02:45<amodeb>i want to know whichcall center application is available or works with debian on top of asterisk?
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02:53<Yoda-BZH`Wk>hi/bonjour
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03:38<tzafrir_laptop>my debian system does not take the hostname I set on the dhcp server
03:38<tzafrir_laptop>it works on install time
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03:38<tzafrir_laptop>the host name is set from the dhcp to /etc/hostname
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03:50<tzafrir_laptop>hmm... never mind
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04:02<deniz>does debian have indexing in ext3 by defaut or do you have to get something from repositories because by default i noticed that file searching takes extremely long
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04:08<azeem_>deniz: did you check?
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04:09<deniz>azeem_, so far i know of a gui tool that's default in ubuntu that possibly does this and i also read about tune2fs but i am not sure if either does this or if it's just in my head
04:10<jm_>tune2fs will show options enabled for the fs
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04:13<deniz>jm_, does http://pario.no/2008/02/04/tuning-ext3-filesystem-with-directory-indexing/ talk about making ext3 have indexing?
04:13<jm_>deniz: yes, it enables dir_index option
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04:14<deniz>jm_, what about the package tracker? i found it using apt-cache search
04:15<jm_>deniz: I am affraid I don't understand your last question
04:15<deniz>jm_, there is a debian package called --> tracker
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04:16<jm_>deniz: right
04:16<deniz>jm_, so does it take care of indexing?
04:17<jm_>deniz: that's a totally different thing, I think you're mixing two things
04:18<jm_>deniz: tracker is something ala google desktop search for windows, dir_index is purely file system related for speed-ups in certain cases
04:18<deniz>jm_, what i want is for me to tell my OS to read my whole HDD's contents never on battery at an interval of 10 minutes with low priority so that when i search for something, it comes up very fast
04:19<deniz>jm_, i remember having tracker-search-tool in my ubuntu days, it's not a search engine thats for sure
04:19<jm_>deniz: yeah that's what tracker would do, no idea if it satisfies your requirements
04:19<deniz>jm_, o so then what did tune2fs do?
04:20<jm_>deniz: http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/als01/full_papers/phillips/phillips_html/index.html if you have time
04:20<deniz>ext2?
04:21<jm_>that's where the option first appeared in
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04:28<phorce1>Anyone here use any of the "password managers" in the debian tree? It's time to change passwords that I've used for a while and the "business card in the wallet" kinda sucks. They all use cute buzzwords like "protected with a master password" but I want the password file to be gpg 1024 encrypted
04:28<jm_>phorce1: I do
04:30<phorce1>jm_: which one? I'd like something with a search feature or at least good sorting. I'm "doing it right" this time. Different passwords everywhere. And that's a lot of passwords with 17 servers and a bunch of websites and local software that requires login
04:31<jm_>phorce1: CLI tools, first it was cpm, but since it doesn't work with lenny I use pwman now
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04:31<phorce1>I've been reading through the apt-cache show descriptions but they tend to all use the same buzzwords
04:31<jm_>ahh pwman is not in Debian
04:32<phorce1>jm_: yes it is
04:32<phorce1>pwman3
04:32<jm_>phorce1: yeah but that's a different one, didn't like it so much
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04:33<phorce1>and it didn't show up on my first apt-cache search because I searched "password manager" and it describes itself as "password management" software
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04:34<jm_>hehe
04:34<phorce1>searching on "password management" just made my quest harder. Listed several I didn't see before
04:34<jm_>I added command line search to pwman
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04:36<deniz> jm_ it seems i dont even need tracker-search-tool, i haven't read this anywhere but based on my hdd usage and search results, all i need is the tracker package without the GUI and the regular search features find things much faster
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04:45<phorce1>deniz: what are you adding to your system that you need 10 minute updates? I just run updatedb manually when I make massive changes during the day --- it runs automagically during cron.daily. And I use 'locate' to find files
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04:46<jm_>phorce1: but that doesn't index actual content
04:46<deniz>phorce1, i scan a lot of things mainly school notes and ya basically to find anything but most importantly only notes i havent checked for a long time
04:46<phorce1>ahh, content as in grep style searches
04:46<Tekno>Where can I fid dev package for wpasupplicant??!
04:47<deniz>phorce1, right now it was for my motherboard's pdf manual :)
04:47<deniz>jm_, phorce1, there is no man tracker so that means there is no way to configure its behavior in lenny?
04:48<jm_>deniz: english please ;)
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04:49<deniz>jm_, like the command man for manual
04:49<phorce1>deniz: did you look in /usr/share/doc/tracker for documentation?
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04:50<deniz>phorce1, i didnt know that existed i thought it was all about the man command
04:50<deniz>thanks
04:50<Tekno>Where can I fid dev package for wpasupplicant??!
04:50<Tekno>I need it for compiling exalt
04:51<phorce1>deniz: people are slowly starting to get away from man pages and going with plain text/html/xml documentation. There SHOULD at least be a placeholder man page though (that tells you there is no man page)
04:52<jm_>deniz: ahh next time just say there is no man page and everyeone will understand what you mean
04:52<deniz>lol sorry
04:52<phorce1>deniz: spend some time looking through the /usr/share/doc/* tree. You'll find LOTS of info about the programs you use that you never knew.
04:53<jm_>Tekno: there is no such thing
04:53<Tekno>configure: error: No wpa_supplicant program found
04:53<Tekno>But I have it installed
04:53<deniz>phorce1, why couldnt those text files be the manual? either way i guess i could just use the cat command and pretend they're manuals lol
04:53<jm_>that probably means it's looking for it with a wrong name
04:53<jm_>ahh no, it's in /sbin so not in user's path
04:54<deniz>adding & after the name of a program i want to launch in the terminal makes it run as a backround process?
04:54<jm_>deniz: yes
04:54<lnostdal>hi, would anyone mind checking something for me? .. i'm wondering whether you guys have a "video/mpeg" entry on your about:plugins page (iceweasel)? it seems ubuntu 9.10 has so, but debian testing does not
04:54<phorce1>deniz: proper man pages are a pain in the a$$ to create. The stuff in /usr/share/doc/ is pure laziness but usually much more informative
04:55<deniz>jm_, ok and what does backround process mean exactly? apart from not being able to stop it with ctrl+c or closing terminal like does it make the program use the cpu less or anything like that or is it just to make sure the program works even after closing the terminal etc?
04:55<LeoR>hi all, which is the best way to close (and shutdonw) a machine via java, if I'm in X ? just invoke /etc/init.d/halt stop ?
04:55<jm_>lnostdal: not here no
04:55<Tekno>jm_: thanks. symlinking it helped
04:55<lnostdal>jm_, cool .. thanks .. (i might have a fix for that .. heh :))
04:56<deniz>lnostdal, are you comparing two different versions of iceweasel/firefox?
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04:56<phorce1>lnostdal: yes, I do
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04:56<lnostdal>phorce1, debian testing?
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04:57<phorce1>lnostdal: Oh, no -- lenny
04:57<phorce1>lnostdal: but it belongs to Totem Web Browser Plugin 2.22.2
04:57<lnostdal>hm, weird .. maybe i should do a fresh install to make sure the reason it has been missing here isn't based on some previous messup
04:57<jm_>deniz: it means it's running in the background, CPU usage is typically irrelevant of it; to make it really work if you close a terminal it's sometimes better to use nohup or screen, but many apps are OK if you simply "detach" them from the shell (disown shell command)
04:58<phorce1>lnostdal: totem is the default gnome video player I think
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04:58<lnostdal>yeah, totem-mozilla is the plugin
04:59<deniz>will youtube and stuff start using that no plugin video feature firefox has?
04:59<jm_>i doubt
04:59<deniz>o that sucks :(
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05:01<phorce1>so far I've only hit one flash site that the non-free linux flash can't handle but the winblows version can. It still annoys me that Adobe uses the same version number for both even though the Linux one is still broken
05:01<phorce1>I have wine + windows FF installed just for the occasional blip
05:01<deniz>phorce1, flashplugin-nonfree uses more system resources than windows would
05:02<deniz>which is why i was hoping for that
05:02<jm_>yeah flash is crap
05:03<deniz>at least it works
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05:03<deniz>im going to restart my comp so ill be bak
05:03<jm_>FSVO works
05:03<phorce1>yeah, flash sites sometimes lock up Iceweasel for several minutes trying to refresh. If I don't decide to kill -9 then it usually comes back
05:04<deniz>brb
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05:05<ph0x>is there a way to configure debian so that security updates are installed automatically?
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05:06<Yoda-BZH`Wk>ph0x not recommended as debconf can ask you things
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05:06<ph0x>ubuntu e.g. has got a package unattended-upgrades which sends en email if there are any questions from the update manager
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05:07<Yoda-BZH`Wk>look at apticron
05:07<ph0x>is there anything comparable with debian?
05:07<phorce1>that reminds me, I need to run apdate. I saw a couple of announcements in debian-security
05:07<ph0x>ok, thx so far
05:07<Yoda-BZH`Wk>you can make aptitude downloading automaticaly updates too, without installing the
05:07<Yoda-BZH`Wk>m
05:08<ph0x>i want to configure a machine which should work without too much administration attendance
05:08<ph0x>therefor automatic updates would be nice
05:09<jm_>you can tell debconf to not ask questions and achieve that - granted, not as elegant, but ...
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05:14<victor>всем привет ati catalyst как удалить?
05:15<bremner>!ru
05:15<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
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05:15<Tekno>:D
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05:15<bremner>unless of course that is serbian. What other languages us cyrillic, I wonder.
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05:17<jm_>it's russian ;)
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05:17<jm_>privet is russian
05:18<jm_>bremner: bulgarian for one, macedonian
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05:20<phorce1>*phorce1* is listening to Distemper - 08 - Ñíåãîâè÷êè (0:15 / 3:14)
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05:20<phorce1>it's annoying when it doesn't convert right
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05:25<badsanta>can anybody help me with canceling some services in Lenny ?
05:26<petemc>update-rc.d -f service remove
05:26<petemc>or just uninstall what you dont want
05:27<jm_>don't use update-rc.d remove - read man update-rc.d to learn how to do it properly
05:27<petemc>why?
05:27<petemc>i can understand wanting to use it properly to add, but to remove?
05:27<jm_>petemc: man page will explain it better than I can :)
05:27<badsanta>i have nmaped localhost and i have runnig ipp on 631 . whats that?
05:27<petemc>cups
05:27<jm_>631 is CUPS
05:27<badsanta>oh
05:28<badsanta>so ill kill it
05:28<phorce1>badsanta: you don't use it to print?
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05:28<badsanta>rpc bind is for lan sharing win win boxes?
05:28<badsanta>with*
05:29<badsanta>no , i usually dont print in holidays only when im at school
05:29<jm_>santa goes to school too?
05:29<petemc>jm_: i dont see any compelling reason not to use update-rc.d -f remove
05:29<jm_>petemc: did you read about upgrades?
05:29*phorce1 is going to grab a nap. 0425 here and I turn the phones back on at 0700
05:30<jm_>petemc: A common system administration error is to delete ...
05:30<jm_>I suppose removing them is OK if your policy for starting on installation is set properly, but hardly anyone uses that
05:31<badsanta>yes jm_ , santa goes to school too
05:31<badsanta>why you wonder?
05:31<jm_>badsanta: magic powers and all
05:32<badsanta>noo, only a couple of elves
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05:45<lnostdal>hum, yeah, i think this is the problem .. the totem-gstreamer package have the libtotem-cone-plugin.so file, but the totem-mozilla package does not create symlinks to it; http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/totem-mozilla/filelist .. no libtotem-cone-plugin.so there
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05:47<lnostdal>and looking at the source code, you'll see that the mime-type "video/mpeg" is defined at line 125 in browser-plugin/totemPlugin.cpp which also have a #elif defined(TOTEM_CONE_PLUGIN) around it
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06:02<victor>всем привет
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06:04<victor>ру
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06:08<secret>hello. i need some help to create a desktop on my crunchbang. does anybody know how i can change the chat to irc.crunchbang.???
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06:09<Xeross>secret: /server irc.crunchbang.
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06:09<secret>Xeross, how can i change to there.
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06:09<secret>Xeross, me = noob
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06:16<victor>ру
06:17<victor>ру
06:18<victor>he
06:18<victor>ÒÕ
06:18<bremner>victor: please stop
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06:23<lnostdal>sebash, you the guy who can fix this? :) .. i'm not sure the reportbug tool actually worked, so here's a direct link to something that fixes a missing mime entry "video/mpeg" (and it seems "video/ogv" too) for firefox/iceweasel: http://paste.lisp.org/display/84057 (i tried to reply to this bug; http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530417 )
06:24<bremner>lnostdal: you should get an email reply from the bug tracker, but it can take an hour or so.
06:24<lnostdal>bremner, ok
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06:56<neglesaks>is there somewhere i can check the status of the debian mirrors? i am geting MD5sum mismatches when trying to do updates from my regional mirror
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07:15<neglesaks>question: what do do when my update manager does nothign after clicking "install updates"? I have lenny 502
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07:20<franklin>Hi, anyone using Squeeze or Sid on a thinkpad T60? when I use the Xorg's intel driver, Xorg is crashing often...
07:20<franklin>(I am suspecting a hardware problem)
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07:24<bremner>franklin: there was a comment on brice goglin's blog that in case of problems, downgrade to 2.7.1
07:24<vvas>franklin, what versions of the kernel / xorg driver / mesa do you have?
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07:24<bremner>franklin: but that comment was about the latest 2.8 version in sid
07:26<franklin>bremner: I run 2.6.30, xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6 and mesa 7.0.3-7
07:27<bremner>franklin: ok, not the issue I was talking about, that is still testing.
07:27<franklin>I've had the problem for a few months now (including 2.6.29), but absolutely no one else seems to have the probme (no bug in Debian, no bug upstream)
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07:29<vvas>franklin, i would try upgrading xserver-xorg-video-intel to 2.7.1 (from http://people.debian.org/~bgoglin/rebuilds/Xserver1.6/ ) and mesa to the latest 7.5 from unstable
07:29<vvas>and you might need to upgrade xserver-xorg-core too
07:29<vvas>it's good that you have 2.6.30, you really don't want to use anything earlier than that
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07:31<vvas>one reason you might not see that many bug reports is that the whole graphics stuff has been in such a flux lately, that people that encountered problems were probably simply told to try the newer versions
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07:32<franklin>Yep, but hte T60/intel/DebianTesting is pretty common, an I guess some people would complain about it.
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07:34<vvas>bremner: incidentally i had to downgrade back to 2.7.1 on my X40 yesterday, as UXA still doesn't want to cooperate there
07:34<bremner>vvas: interesting. I was wondering whether to take the plunge on my x61s; it is a few years newer. I also have an x40, so thanks for the tip!
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07:36<vvas>bremner: well, i guess you can give UXA a try with 2.7.1, and only upgrade if you find that it works for you
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07:36<bremner>good point. What is the goal of UXA? faster?
07:36<vvas>bremner: on my X40 what happens is that, when i use UXA (choose it for 2.7, or run 2.8 where it is the only option) the kde4 window manager refuses to go 3D
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07:38<vvas>bremner: long story :^)
07:38<bremner>I use so little 3D I might not notice that...
07:38<vvas>bremner: simpler code and better, in-kernel resource handling
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08:18<enouf>vvas: and bremner are either of you using a PAE enabled kernel? (grep HIGHMEM64G /boot/config-`uname -r`)
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08:19<bremner>enouf: nope
08:20<enouf>neglesaks: remove the update manager mechanisms and just use the regular apt-get/aptitude methods
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08:20<secret>#crunchbang
08:20<vvas>enouf: not that i know of
08:20<neglesaks>enouf, thanks. update manager is more for ubuntu, perhaps?
08:20<secret>oh, how can i change to crunchbang chat, please?
08:20<enouf>bremner: ok - there's a bug report concerning no GEM support with PAE kernels, but fixed in .31
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08:21<enouf>neglesaks: i'd guess, but i've seen your same complaint many times now
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08:21<neglesaks>right. i did manage to get the updates downloaded properly in Synaptic
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08:22<enouf>!dbugs #537959
08:22<dpkg>DONE:#537959:I[xserver-xorg-video-intel] [xserver-xorg-video-intel] Lost hardware rendering when upgraded to 2.8.0-1 (); Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:24:01 UTC []
08:25<tempuser>after an upgrade from etch ->lennt, my ldap auth stopped working. i read in a fwe places that the libpam-ldap and or libnss-ldap changed from openssl to gnutls. is this true? if it is true, is there any validity of the reports?
08:25<tempuser>s/lennt/lenny
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08:28<tempuser>more so, is there any validy to the reports that the change from openssl -> gnutls broke tls in libpam-ldap or libnss-ldap?
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08:57<eljefe>Does anyone know of an easy way to remaster Debian Sid or Debian Testing, to allow for an .ISO with the packages and repos that I want, including the Debian installer? LiveMagic was supposed to be that but its not so easy (from the little testing that I've done). I'd love something that remasters my installed system into a live-and-installable CD or DVD
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09:03<enouf>eljefe: look at the bootcd pkg?
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09:03<eljefe>i've not heard of that, i will do, thanks enouf
09:04<enouf>eljefe: well ... it might make a LiveCD from your system, but Installable? no idea - /msg dpkg cdd?
09:05<enouf>then there's the debian-live project
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09:13<ghost>!de
09:13<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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09:21<pwork>Hi, on a Lenny64b with LVM2, I got the /var partition full, due to a logging error (big log file). df -h reported a /var 100% , so I deleted the file, rebooted the machine, and it stills displays 100% ! What's wrong in your opinion ?
09:23<pwork>Also, /var contains a path that is a chroot mount point of /home to a lenny32b chroot /home
09:24<pwork>The problem is that even if I deleted a 18G file, df still reports /var is full, and a lot of software doesn't work properly due to this (mysql server doesn't start, and so on)
09:24<drakeman>Hey,good morning guys, i have a question about debian, im running squeeze, and recently i installed icewm as default windows manager, session manager, how do i add programs to run automatically when i boot the computer, for example, i want to run idesk automatically when system boots, how can i do that? in gnome i use gnome-sessions and just add the line idesk and done, but dont know with icewm, any ideas?
09:25<pwork>drakeman, You must edit the ~/.icewm/startup shell script
09:25<drakeman>pwork, i dont have that folder, i gues i have to create it manually
09:25<pwork>drakeman, Sure :)
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09:26<drakeman>pwork, and inside startup, i put a link toe the program?
09:26<pwork>drakeman, Oh! Strange. You may not have the file, but the config dir should be there if you're running icewm
09:27<drakeman>pwork, yes i have the .icewm but inside it just have my keys, preferences, toolbar, menu file
09:27<pwork>drakeman, Inside startup, you write a shell instruction to launch whatever X application you need : #!/bin/sh gnome-terminal &
09:27<pwork>drakeman, Ok, here you go so ;)
09:28<drakeman>pwork, going to try that. thanks, yo use icewm?
09:28<pwork>drakeman, I did in the past
09:30<jpablo>Hi drakeman
09:30<pwork>Ok, no one knowledged on LVM and df issues atm ;)
09:30<pwork>Bye
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09:30<enouf>pwork: chill
09:30<enouf>heh
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09:38<drakeman>hey jpablo
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09:49<Probe89>how do i get adobe flash player for ice weasel?
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09:50<amol>hi to all, after running qemu on my compiled kernel it is showing error as remove disk and press key to reboot
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09:51<kmap>!tell Probe89 about flash
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09:52<debianite>Hi all, is there a way to check FSB speed in Debian Lenny?
09:59<Probe89>E: Package flashplugin-nonfree has no installation candidate
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10:11<itch>Hello guys. Small noob question here. I`v get got my notebook back from service, where they changed the whole MB. Weird thing now - my ether does not work anymore. I do have a link on it, and it shows up in lspci. Some friend told me that I need to update the MAC address of the new ether chipset so that the kernel recognize it. Any ideas on how I can do that ? Thanks ?
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10:12<Esto>can anyone give a manual about configuring wpa with madwifi driver in debian lenny?
10:12<Esto>i found in madwifi manual wpa-driver madwifi'
10:12<Esto>but it said that all drivers but wext is depricated
10:13<Esto>and with wext example config from wpa manual not working
10:13<itch>Hello guys. Small noob question here. I`v get got my notebook back from service, where they changed the whole MB. Weird thing now - my ether does not work anymore. I do have a link on it, and it shows up in lspci. Some friend told me that I need to update the MAC address of the new ether chipset so that the kernel recognize it. Any ideas on how I can do that ? Thanks ?
10:13<itch>(sorry for double post)
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10:16<vvas>!tell Esto about wpa
10:16<gsimmons>itch: Is an Ethernet interface shown in 'ifconfig -a' output?
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10:17<itch>gsimmons: no, it does not
10:17<Esto>vvas: but it is only about client, how do i configure server?
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10:20<Esto>hey, anyone?
10:20<Esto>why is there no obvious 'node A'/'node B' configuration listings ?
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10:21<amol>hi to all, i have install base system on top with manually gui.but i am not getting option of extract for right click on compressed file
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10:21<amol>which package i require to install to get extract option in nautilus or on right click??
10:22*Pitxyoki AAAAAAAAH, CARALHO, PASSEI A TUDO!
10:23<vvas>Esto: you mean you want to configure a computer that acts as an access point?
10:23<Esto>yes
10:24<vvas>ah, no idea then, i've never played with infrastructure mode
10:25<Esto>oh damn damn damn
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10:25<Esto>may it be so that there is no way to configure whole wpa network on linux?
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10:25<Esto>so you need some special machine, which acts like a server with wpa
10:26<vvas>itch: looks like your kernel is not recognising the ethernet chip anymore, perhaps the new motherboard has a different one?
10:26<vvas>Esto: it's wireless card specific; if the madwifi documentation says you can, then you can
10:26<itch>vvas, any suggestion on what I should do about that ??
10:27<vvas>itch: not sure, try a newer kernel?
10:27<itch>vvas, though lspci -v | egrep -i ether does show the ether chipset properly
10:27<Esto>damn, how should config looks like if it can?
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10:27<Esto>why there is no examples for it?
10:28<vvas>itch: just because you can see it on the pci bus doesn't mean the kernel has a driver for it
10:28<vvas>Esto: i told you already that i'm not knowledgeable enough to help (though someone else might be)
10:29<itch>I have 2.6.27-15 generic right now ..
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10:29<vvas>itch: i'd try 2.6.30 just in case
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10:43<cmot>Yodel!
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10:43<cmot>LDAP / pam/nss question:
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10:44<cmot>what is the default / supported / sensible behaviour of etch and lenny for group memberships?
10:44<cmot>I have seen "member: <complete dn>",
10:44<cmot>or "memberUid: <only username>"
10:44<cmot>and there's the uniqueMember stuff which I only saw on Google.
10:44<cmot>What is current? What does work? What is default?
10:44*cmot is mystified.
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11:38<nexxen>PIDGIN
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11:39<Esto>anyone know any debian wifi 'Node AP'/'Node Client' config sets/manual/howtos?
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11:43<alphaser>greetings
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11:45<elenilsonmiranda17021997>vbhvj
11:45<cassianosilva21031995>RTEGW
11:45<cassianosilva21031995>TR
11:45<cassianosilva21031995>TY
11:45<cassianosilva21031995>T
11:45<cassianosilva21031995>Y
11:45<cassianosilva21031995>Y
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11:47<elenilsonmiranda17021997>vai toma no cú
11:48<bja>!br
11:48<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
11:48<elenilsonmiranda17021997>101
11:48<arw>!pr
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11:48<elenilsonmiranda17021997>name
11:48<elenilsonmiranda17021997>cu
11:48<elenilsonmiranda17021997>vai[
11:49<elenilsonmiranda17021997>vasilsasçlg[
11:49<elenilsonmiranda17021997>dsbfdshag
11:49<elenilsonmiranda17021997>}wgbmfdsvb
11:50<bja>!ops elenilsonmiranda17021997 spam
11:50<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: bja complains about: elenilsonmiranda17021997 spam
11:50-!-mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
11:50-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@200.217.71.250] by dondelelcaro
11:50-!-mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
11:50<dondelelcaro>elenilsonmiranda17021997: let me know if you have a Debain related question to ask in english
11:50<bja>thx
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11:52<vvas>hm, what's +q?
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11:53<cdlu>devoice
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11:55<vvas>ah
11:55<vvas>doesn't +b do this too?
11:56<adb>q from quit :)
11:56<bja>vvas: +b is bann
11:56<adb>q from quiet* :)
11:57<vvas>bja: i know
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11:57<bja>vvas: ban from entering the channel, as for quiet, you can lurk inside but you hav to be quiet
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11:58<bja>vvas: Whenever you try to post, a little message appears that tell you about it
11:59<vvas>ah, so a bit more specialised than +b, i see
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12:01<bja>vvas: I screwed my bookmarks file, there is a page on oftc site,that tell you all about it :(
12:01<vvas>heh, no worries, i've found it in the meantime :^) http://www.oftc.net/oftc/ChannelModes
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12:06<alphaser>thanks for judd
12:06<alphaser>bye
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12:40<_2>anyone know the url to the latest 686 kernel package ?
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12:41<bremner>_2: look on packages.debian.org
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12:43<poldek1>elo
12:43<poldek1>ziom
12:43<poldek1>Welcame all
12:44<poldek1>go to ogladaj-online.pl ;]
12:44<poldek1>pzdr.
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12:44<chealer>_2: if you don't mind, what are you trying to do?
12:45<_2>chealer get both the vidio and wireless to work on a tosheba satalite 130a
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12:46<_2>lenny has linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 but it wont boot...
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12:50<_2>Sorry, your search gave no results
12:50<_2>You have searched for filenames that contain linux-image- in suite lenny-backports, all sections, and all architectures.
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12:51<_2>?
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12:53<chealer>_2: ...why does it fail to boot?
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12:58<_2>chealer fails to mount the rootfs, dumps me into a busybox shell: from there i can easily mount the rootfs, but; when i exit the shell it kernel panics "trying to kill init"
13:00<chealer>_2: so were never able to boot Debian on that machine?
13:00<chealer>s/so were/so you were/
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13:02<_2>booting is not a problem, i'm talking on it now. just using an old "etch" kernel
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13:02<_2>@ chealer
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13:03<_2>chealer it's only the lenny kernel that wont boot
13:04<chealer>_2: so you're upgrading to lenny but the new kernel doesn't boot?
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13:05<_2>chealer: no not exactly, i upgraded quite some time ago. it's just the lenny kernel"s" that fail, and i don't know why it fails to mount the rootfs. all i have to type is "mount /dev/root /root" and it's mounted
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13:06<chealer>_2: you're currently running 2.6.18, or what?
13:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 400] by debhelper
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13:08*Agent_bob is _2
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13:08<chealer>Agent_bob: you're currently running 2.6.18, or what?
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13:09<Agent_bob>ummm 2.6.15-52-686 but that may be a ubuntu leftover
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13:10<Agent_bob>the 2.6.18-* kernel"s" booted ok. i just can't get wifi and ati vidio to work from there
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13:10<izik>irc
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13:11<chealer>Agent_bob: a ubuntu leftover? you mean that this installation is a ubuntu install?
13:11<Agent_bob>also i'm looking at a modem that says requires 2.6.21+
13:12<Agent_bob>chealer no, don't put words in my mouth. this is not ubuntu
13:12<Agent_bob>but the kernel that is running might be from a ubuntu install on another box copied over
13:13<Agent_bob>i'll check
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13:13<Agent_bob>yeah looks like a ubuntu dapper kernel.
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13:16<Agent_bob>i guess i could try grabbing a ubuntu kernel of the 2.6.22 ventage and see if it works. but the desired end result is to get "debian" working smoothly
13:17<chealer>Agent_bob: you could try etch's 2.6.24 or lenny-backports' 2.6.30
13:17<Agent_bob>what's the sources.list line for the lenny backports ?
13:19<Agent_bob>chealer ?
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13:20<chealer>!tell Agent_bob about backports.org
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13:22<Agent_bob>chealer thanks. i'll get back to you on the outcome.
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13:43<nexxen>nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
13:43<nexxen>sorry
13:43<sarc_3>I am trying to create use a customized splash screen on my Debian machine that will be displayed while the kernel is loaded, disks are checked etc. Can someone point me in the right direction for doing this?
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13:51<bremner>!splashy
13:51<dpkg>a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in lenny and later. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/
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14:06<bcstech>hey guys i need some help i am attempting to create a diskless boot from my server in debian lenny 2.6.26-2
14:07<bcstech>the error reads
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14:07<bcstech>root-NFS: Server returned error -93 while mounting /srv/diskless/roots/machine
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14:08<bcstech>I dont see v3 nfs on RPC any help
14:09<bcstech>it sees RPC 100003/3 but not 100005/3
14:10<bcstech>does anyone know what I am talking about?
14:11<SQlvpapir>this seems out of date. can you recommend a more up to date page? http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/setting-up
14:12<bcstech>Hello?
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14:14<bcstech>I know someone sees me right?
14:14<bcstech>anyone?
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14:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 407] by debhelper
14:17<bremner>!tell bcstech about wait
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14:36<SQlvpapir>guess I'll stick with pbuilder for a while more then
14:37<bremner>SQlvpapir: there was an ITP for something like mini-builddd on debian-devel@l.d.o. You might be interested in that.
14:39<SQlvpapir>bremner: thanks :) I'll look into it
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14:48<Oyashiro>i have one question, can i sefely remove /etc/ syslog kern.log and debug ?
14:49<Lethalman_>:O
14:49<bremner>Oyashiro: you want to remove /etc? no. not safe.
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14:49<Oyashiro>no. this 3 files in /var/log
14:49<Oyashiro>sorry my bad
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14:50<bremner>oh sure. The disk space might not reappear until the daemons are restarted
14:50<ansgar>Oyashiro: You can.
14:50<Oyashiro>how to restart this demons /
14:50<Oyashiro>?
14:51<bremner>Oyashiro: try "/etc/init.d/syslog restart"
14:51<drakeman>hey, anyone here have installed the lighttpd insted apache? i just have a question, not a problem, just to confirm sometjhing.
14:52<bremner>!tell drakeman -about ask
14:52<drakeman>bremner, thanks, sorry
14:53<drakeman>Well the question is that i choose to install my personal webserver in my computer, i choose lighttpd insted apache because is lighter, i have everything running fine, but i want to know if the lighttpd package install something from apache, because, i have some apache directorys and a services trying to start at boot, but i get a failed message because im not running apache, im runing lighttpd
14:53<drakeman>Thanks!
14:54<azeem_>!ask
14:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:54<drakeman>azeem_, i already ask :(
14:54<Oyashiro>ther;s no syslog in /etc/init.d
14:54<bremner>drakeman: maybe you need to purge apache, but careful you don't lose any old config files you wanted.
14:55<drakeman>bremner, i never installed apache before, i get that mesage when in install lighttpd, let me tell you where i have apache files
14:55<bremner>Oyashiro: /etc/init.d/sysklogd
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14:57<drakeman>bremner, i if do an whereis apache2 i get : /usr/sbin/apache2 /etc/apache2 /usr/lib/apache2 /usr/share/apache2, and if i run aptitude purge apache2, it says nothing to purge from apache2
14:57<drakeman>:(
14:57<Oyashiro>i have only sysctl and syslog2eximlog
14:57<Oyashiro> from sys8 in init.d
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14:58<bremner>drakeman. hmm. Try dpkg -S /usr/sbin/apache2
14:59<drakeman>wait.
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15:00<drakeman>bremner, i get apache2-mpm-prefork: /usr/bin/apache2, and if i run just dpkg -S apache2 i get a lot of results, tell me if you need the pastebin for it.
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15:01<bremner>drakeman: it sure sounds like you have apache2-mpm-prefork installed
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15:01<drakeman>bremner, i can remove it safely?
15:02<bremner>drakeman: try, and see what apt-get / aptitude/ synaptic says will be removed.
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15:03<drakeman>hey bremner if i run sudo aptitude purge or remove apache2 and press tab to see the options, i get to remove apache2-mpm-prefork apche2-utils apache2.2-binand apache 2.2-common
15:03<drakeman>bremner, can i remove all right?
15:04<bremner>drakeman: yes, but pay attentition to what _else_ has to be removed
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15:07<drakeman>bremner, i remove the main package for that files, libapache2-mod-php5, im restaring right now to see if that is enough to remove apche files..
15:07<drakeman>bremner, i will tell you.
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15:23<adama>judd: versions iotop
15:23<judd>adama: iotop -- lenny: 0.2-3 sid: 0.2-3 sid: 0.3.1-1 squeeze: 0.3.1-1
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15:28<adama>I'm running etch. Is "lenny-backports" the correct thing to go on the backports line in sources.list? Or should it be "etch-backports"?
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15:28<adama>I want iotop from lenny
15:31<adama>hmm does not appear to be there anyways
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15:32<drakeman>bremner, i already remove all the apache files, thanks for the help, now i have to try if my lighttpd keeps working with php5, phpmyadmin and mysl,
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15:32<drakeman>bremner, ill tell you when i try that.
15:33<bremner>drakeman: just ask the channel if you need more help :)
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15:33<drakeman>bremner, thanks, yes,.
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15:36<drakeman>bremner, apache2 removed, everything is working fine, thanks.
15:37<ml|>drakeman: for next time do aptitude -s remove/purge package-name <--- that will simulate what will happen without actually doing anything, can be done as regular user
15:38<drakeman>ml|, ok, but what i get? if it is just a simulation,, sor i will keep seeing the same files in apache folder....
15:38<drakeman>ml|, but thanks for the trick didnt know that.
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15:39<ml|>drakeman: that is useful to see what will happen when you want to purge something, np
15:40<drakeman>ml|, oh i get it, thanks! new trick to the DB :D
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16:05<SQlvpapir>bremner: I've choosen this path: http://brokenpipe.de/index.php/Debian_Mini_Buildd however I have to manually install the ubuntu keyring to the host system to be able to build the basetgz-images for ubuntu :/
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16:17<jlj>how do I get access to staging drivers from inside menuconfig?
16:17<jlj>when configuring a kernel
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16:34<loevborg>Is there a way to automatically install Perl modules? This script has dozens of CPAN dependencies, and it's a lot of work to install them manually.
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17:01<jidm>hi. how can i detect which window manager is active in gnome?
17:01<drakeman>jidm, with update-alternatives!
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17:02<drakeman>update-alternatives x-window(s)-manager --display
17:02<drakeman>dont know if is windows or window.
17:02<drakeman>heheh
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17:03<jidm>no one worked but hey! thanks for the answer. now i can google it better
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17:05<jidm>drakeman: update-alternatives --display x-window-manager worked. many thanks
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17:05<drakeman>jidm, you can use sudo update-alternatives --display x-window-manager
17:05<drakeman>xD
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17:06<GeMiNniS>hi-hola
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17:14<hackbard>hi
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17:16<Jason1>question
17:16<Jason1>I got a random stranger added me and speak in the different language.
17:16<Gathond>added you?, there is no such concept on IRC
17:16<Jason1>no no
17:16<Jason1>it was in pidgin.
17:17<Gathond>unless you have told your client to ignore private messages, it will accept and show them
17:17<Jason1>no no
17:17<Jason1>in pidgin silly.
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17:17<Jason1>he spoke Sumoli I think
17:17<Jason1>not sure which languiage he is in
17:17<Jason1>I refused ot click the link he was gibberish about.
17:18<Gathond>probably just as well, although that link was probably for a windows exploit
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17:18<Jason1>I am in Debian.
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17:20<bremner>Jason1: and your question is?
17:20<Jason1>I should put the link in google and see if it went through.
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17:22<Jason1>yup fake link
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17:25<chaoticmass>Debian Lenny on a Thinkpad T22: When I remove my thinkpad from the dock the machine completely locks up, only a hard reset will reboot it. I'm pretty sure this isn't supposed to happen. Can I fix this? How? Thanks in advance.
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17:25<Jason1>oh well. I'll hang around
17:25<Slurb>yes
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17:25<marcot>What package is responsible for /etc/inittab. dpkg -S returns nothing.
17:25<marcot>?
17:26<Slurb>Jason1: im sure it just has to do with a module or it sounds like something compiled into the kernel lemme see if i can help
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17:27<Jason1>you're talking to walk person.
17:27<Jason1>oops
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17:27<Jason1>wrong
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17:28<Slurb>i am
17:28<Jason1>huh?
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17:29<Jason1>...
17:29<Slurb>i was talking to the wrong person
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17:30<Jason1>ah ok
17:31<Slurb>chaoticmass: http://johnfry.org/blog/debian-my-ibm-thinkpad-t22 check there
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17:33<chaoticmass>Slurb : Looks like a good link, thanks.
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17:34<chaoticmass>Slurb : I think the ibm-acpi module might be of interest to me, as mentioned in your link.
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17:34<Slurb>i would think so
17:34<Slurb>either a module or a part of the kernel
17:34<PauloCastellano>how i can check if module bluetooth was loaded ? lspci and lsusb ?
17:35<Slurb>hopefully a module
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17:35<Slurb>PauloCastellano: lsmod
17:35<chaoticmass>Jackpot, I'll add the module to my /etc/modules. According to http://ibm-acpi.sourceforge.net/ it has limited docking and undocking support. Thanks again.
17:36<PauloCastellano>slurb thanks
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17:36<Slurb>PauloCastellano: or lsmod | grep bluetooth
17:36<Slurb>n/p
17:37<PauloCastellano>lsmod | grep bluetooth
17:37<PauloCastellano>bluetooth 44868 4 rfcomm,l2cap
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17:38<PauloCastellano>i try find lan bluetooth with my celular but no ansawer
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17:38<mantra>hey i installed ssh on my computer but i still cant ssh into it
17:39<mantra>it times out
17:39<drakeman>mantra, are you trying to connect inside your lan?
17:39<drakeman>or outside?
17:39<PauloCastellano>u have installed ssh server ?
17:39<Jason1>no
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17:39<mantra>drakeman: ya
17:39<drakeman>mantra, inside or outside?
17:39<mantra>inside
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17:39<drakeman>mantra, ok, you have the server runing? /etc/init.d/sshd status
17:40<PauloCastellano>u can ping the server ?
17:40<mantra>yes i can ping it
17:40<PauloCastellano>check if server runing
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17:41<mantra>wait so i entered 'ping pantera'
17:41<mantra>and 64 bytes from hit-nxdomain.opendns.com (208.67.219.132): icmp_seq=22 ttl=56 time=30.4 ms
17:41<mantra>kept returning
17:41<mantra>over and over
17:41<mantra>i dont know what this means
17:41<stroyan>mantra: That is normal success.
17:41<mantra>ok
17:42<mantra>let me go check the sshd status
17:42<PauloCastellano>ok
17:42<drakeman>mantra, ok
17:42<adb>mantra: machine B has installed ssh too ?
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17:43<mantra>ok sshd is running
17:43<mantra>and yes the client has ssh installed
17:43<drakeman>mantra, ok, what msg you get when you try to connect the remote machine
17:43<PauloCastellano>port is ok?
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17:43<drakeman>mantra, check your sshd_config file.
17:43<mantra>debug1: connect to address 208.67.219.132 port 22: Connection timed out
17:43<mantra>debug1: connect to address 208.67.219.132 port 22: Connection timed out
17:43<drakeman>mantra, read the sshd log inside your host machine.
17:44<drakeman>mantra, maybe you have the error there.
17:44<mantra>in /var/log?
17:45<PauloCastellano>ipbtables only block @wan sure?
17:45<mantra>ive never touched iptables
17:45<kop>mantra : Yes, _something_ in /var/log. /var/log/daemon and /var/log/authlog are good bets.
17:45<Slurb>iptables can block everything
17:45<kop>mantra : oops auth.log
17:46<Slurb>even local communication from computer to software
17:46<PauloCastellano>hm... maybe rules of iptables block your port 22 ? or no ?
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17:47<kop>mantra : netstat -tl on the server box to see if the server is listening. If so, try 'telnet foo.example.com 22' on the client to see if you can talk to the port. But really, the logs should talk to you.
17:47<inet6>hi to all
17:48<PauloCastellano>hi
17:48<drakeman>mm if she never ahve touched the firewall i dont think is the firewall fault.
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17:49<mantra>ok the log says 'server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22.'
17:49<mantra>and on :: port 22
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17:49<mantra>and ssh is listening on netstat
17:50<kop>mantra : But what does it say about hearing connection attempts.
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17:50<mantra>nothing
17:50<mantra>those are the only lines from sshd
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17:50<mantra>also NFS wont work on this server
17:50<mantra>but thats another thing
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17:51<mantra>does debian have any default firewall rules that are messing with this?
17:51<kop>mantra : nope.
17:51<mantra>because this is a pretty fresh install
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17:51<kop>mantra : On the server itself can you ssh to it's own IP? Then look in the logs for that connection attempt.
17:52<mantra>ok ill see
17:52<kop>mantra : Connect to the IP number, not name, to be sure.
17:53<mantra>well i connected to it by name ok
17:53<mantra>ill try ip now
17:53<inet6>i'm trouble with compiz-manager i use lenny debian and i have installed the propetary driver form tha amd site, i have an atihd 3650...when i do compiz-manager the xterm say No whitelisted driver found
17:53<inet6>aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity...
17:53<mantra>how do I see my ip?
17:54<kop>mantra : dig myname or getent hosts myname
17:54<kop>mantra : The latter is what really happens. The former goes direct to the dns server.
17:54<drakeman>mantra, ifconfig?
17:55<mantra>why does it say myname.F ?
17:55<kop>inet6 : The right way is to install the proprietary driver from the non-free debian repository, although I'm unfamiliar with what's available I understand that most drivers are there.
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17:55<kop>mantra : What says that?
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17:55<mantra>ok it hangs when I try by ip
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17:56<mantra>getent hosts myname returns ip myname.F
17:56<kop>Is dpkg dead?
17:56<kop>mantra : So, what do the logs say? You should see the successful attempt, and the failure.
17:57<inet6>kop: do i deinstall the driver propetary first?
17:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 407] by debhelper
17:57<mantra>ok so it is hanging when I try it by ip adress just like on the client side
17:57<mantra>i dont understand whats i the log now
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17:58<kop>inet6 : I would say so. See also below:
17:58<kop>!tell inet6 -about non-free
17:58<kop>!tell mantra -about paste
17:58<kop>mantra : You could try pasting the logs. See above.
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17:59<mantra>ok but thats on my server
17:59<mantra>and im on the client
17:59<mantra>does ssh break like this often with the defaults?
17:59<kop>!tell inet6 -about non-free sources
18:00<mantra>I also cant get NFS to work on this server
18:00<kop>mantra : No. Something else is going on. Are you running stable? Things break in testing all the time.
18:00<mantra>yeah its stable
18:00<mantra>lenny
18:00<mantra>my client is testing tho
18:01<kop>mantra : Sounds like that does not matter.
18:01<mantra>yeah i know
18:01<mantra>i havent touched any networking configs except /etc/exports either
18:01<inet6>kop: dpkg is a bot?
18:01<kop>inet6 : Yes.
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18:02<inet6>kop: ok i add in my repository the non-free source
18:02<mantra>yeah so the connection timed out connecting by ip from the same macine
18:02<mantra>but not by host name
18:03<mantra>i think there is some really fucked up bug in debian
18:03<mantra>because this is a fresh install
18:03<mantra>ive done everything as KISS as possible
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18:04<kop>inet6: aptitude update Then you should be able to search for/install non-free stuff.
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18:04<mantra>and niether NFS or SSH will work
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18:04<mantra>does this happen often?
18:04<kop>mantra : What does ifconfig eth0 say about your assigned IP number, is it what you think?
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18:05<mantra>ifconfig didnt return any ip adresses
18:05<mantra>just MAC addresses i believe
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18:06<kop>mantra : How about just "ifconfig -a" to get info on all the nics?
18:06<kop>mantra : Sounds like your networking is not setup like you think it is.
18:06<mantra>well im on wireless
18:06<mantra>so wlan0 returned an ip
18:07<kop>mantra : The server's on wireless? I'm not really up on wireless. You'll have to ask the channel more.
18:07<mantra>yes it is, im on a home network
18:07<mantra>does the hardware even matter?
18:07<kop>mantra : wlan0 has the IP it's supposed to have?
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18:08<mantra>it is a different one than that other command returned
18:08<kop>mantra : No.... Not if it's "right".
18:08<mantra>this is a 192.168.x.x adress
18:08<kop>mantra : So, you're dns is saying one thing and your wireless nic is configured with another address. So, no wonder you can't talk to it with the dns name.
18:09<mantra>i dont know what a DNS name is
18:09<mantra>it also returns Bcast and MASK
18:09<kop>mantra : Maybe you're on the wrong wireless network or something... ? DNS translates names to IP numbers.
18:09<mantra>nope they are definately on the same network
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18:09<mantra>but there is no local DNS
18:10<mantra>i use openDNS
18:10<kop>mantra : Either your dns server is wrong, or your nic is configured with the wrong IP.
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18:10<mantra>do you need a local DNS for these types of things?
18:10<mantra>all I have is a linksys router
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18:11<mantra>i thought DNS were for using the internet
18:11<mantra>not LAN
18:11<bja>mantra: there is no way that one computer will locate another without an ip
18:11<kop>mantra : Not necessarly. It's just that when you give a name an IP number in dns it should be the ip number that's actually assigned to the hardware.
18:11<Slurb>iptables is blocking it im 90% sure
18:11<kop>mantra : The clients are all on the local network too? (Just checking to see that you're not trying to route a non-routable address overthe Internet.)
18:12<mantra>yes
18:12<Slurb>mantra: turn off the firewall and give it a try
18:12<mantra>how could i check if its iptables
18:12<mantra>how do i turn off the firewall
18:12<kop>mantra : You give dns a name, it comes back with an IP. If you don't ever want to use names (which is stupid) you don't need dns.
18:13<mantra>i am on dhcp tho
18:13<Slurb>mantra: /etc/init.d/iptables stop
18:13<mantra>so I cant use IP to connect
18:13<kop>mantra: /sbin/iptables -L will tell you if there's any firewall rules. I bet there are not.
18:13<Slurb>then i bet it works
18:13<inet6>kop: for disinstall the propetary driver?
18:14<mantra>no iptables rules
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18:14<kop>inet6 : I've no idea how to de-install. The people who gave you the driver should give you those instructions. Classically, you type "make uninstall", but who knows.
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18:14<kop>Slurb : I bet it works if he tries to connect with ssh using an IP number instead of a name.
18:14<hever>Hmm I got kernel panics in the past on a production server we did a lot to solve it but can't figure out the problem. Acutally it seems somebody knows a method to initate a kernel panic via opensshd on stable... I get a lot of failured login attemps via sshd and everytime a last message before the panic like "Did not receive identification string from IPADDR".
18:15<mantra>ssh tells me that it resolves the ip
18:15<mantra>then it times out
18:15<kop>Slurb : But there will be a long delay while the server tries to do a reverse dns lookup before it allows the connection, probably.
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18:15<kop>mantra : You're using the ip assinged to wlan0 as reported by ifconfig?
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18:16<mantra>not yet
18:16<mantra>ill try
18:16<mantra>local or from the client?
18:16<Slurb>i never had connection problems due to my box, restarting the router fixes it usually sometimes i have to restart the modem
18:16<kop>hever: Start by making sure youve all the security updates installed. Have you done that?
18:16<kop>mantra : Either.
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18:18<hever>kop, The system is up to date and I retrive updates from "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main"
18:18<mantra>it timed out again
18:18<hever>I'll check the changelog for interest.
18:18<mantra>from a client
18:18<hever>(testing)
18:18<kop>mantra : And the client can ping -n that IP?
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18:19<mantra>kop: yes
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18:20<kop>mantra : Well, try from the server I suppose.
18:20<mantra>kep: i did, it worked
18:20<mantra>kop*
18:20<mantra>lol
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18:21<hever>kop, I changed the SSHd port so I'll see if the kernel panic stops it was sshd. But I think already its sshd.
18:22<kop>mantra : Your sshd might be paranoid about bad dns. The dns is wrong for the server so maybe it's wrong for the clients too. See what the logs say about why the client didn't connect.
18:22<hever>Are such kernel panic initiations via sshd known ? How is such a attack called ?
18:22<mantra>kop: in auth.log?
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18:23<kop>hever : I seem to recall something about opensshd in the last few days, but maybe just read some headline? Perhaps there is a 0 day. ?!
18:23<mantra>kop: it doesnt list anything from when I try to connect from the client
18:23<kop>mantra : b
18:23<hever>The server crashes nearly 2 months.
18:23<hever>from time to time...
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18:24<kop>mantra : But you see the successful attempt from the server, right? (I'm not convinced auth.log is the right place to look for connection attempts...)
18:24<kop>hever : Then that would not be it.
18:24<mantra>kop: yes
18:25<mantra>kop: so its definitely a problem with the 2 computers connecting
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18:26<kop>mantra : The server can ping -n the client?
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18:27<kop>mantra : By ip?
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18:28<mantra>kop: yes by ip and hostname
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18:29<mantra>im fairly certain that the NFS and SSH issues are the same bug
18:29<kop>mantra : I suppose you could check the iptables rules on the client....
18:29<mantra>because I have an NFS share on the same server
18:30<mantra>that the client hangs while trying to connect to
18:31<mantra>no iptables rules on the client either
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18:31<kop>mantra : paste the ifconfig -a from both the client and server.
18:32<mantra>how do I paste without being yelled at by bots again
18:32<kop>!tell mantra -about paste
18:34<hever>kop, I took a look at my logfiles again. I can't say what happened the last months but for the last weeks I can definitly say there are the "Did not receive identification string from IPADDR" before each kernel panic
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18:35<mantra>client: http://paste.debian.net/42540/
18:35<kop>mantra : The other thing to do is "ping -n server; arp -an" on the client, and "ping -n client; arp -an" on the server and make sure that the mac addresses correspond to the right IPs. In case your network is badly borked and you've got, say, 2 machines with the same IP number.
18:35<mantra>well i know they have different ips
18:35<mantra>i just looked at them
18:36<kop>mantra : Oops. you'll also have to add "-c 2" for example to each ping command.
18:36<kop>mantra : But do you know all the other ips of all the other devices on the network? The arp command will tell you what mac address is being conversed with.
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18:37<mantra>there are currently only these 2 computers turned on right now
18:37<mantra>ok server: paste.debian.net/42541
18:37<kop>mantra : There's also a router somewhere too....
18:38<mantra>thats 192.168.1.1
18:38<mantra>and the compuers are 192.168.1.00 and "".101
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18:38<mantra>sorry thats wrong
18:39<traeger226>hi need some help calculating the right starting block for a ntfs partition
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18:39<mantra>192.168.100
18:39<mantra>and 192.168.1.101
18:39<mantra>i messed up again
18:39<mantra>192.168.1.100
18:39<mantra>there lol
18:40<mantra>but here let me do the pings
18:40<kop>mantra : Right. The network config looks ok.
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18:40<traeger226>the partition table says it starts with block 1
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18:41<traeger226>but a hexdump of the partition shows the table starts at 00000200
18:41<traeger226>so I need to adjust the start block accordingly. unfortunately i dontknow how
18:41<kop>mantra : So, to review: you can ping the client from the server, by IP, and vice versa, can ssh from the server to the server's ip but not from the client to the server's ip. When sshing from the client to the server by ip there's nothing in the logs. I'm stuck. We know you have a dns problem, maybe you want to attack that first?
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18:42<mantra>kop: yes thats right
18:42<mantra>kop: i know nothing about DNS
18:42<mantra>kop: i dont know whats wrong with it
18:42<kop>traeger226 : The first blocks are reserved for booting.
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18:43<traeger226>kop so it could be the partition table is correct, but the ntfs index is damages
18:43<traeger226>damaged
18:43<kop>mantra : You could also try using ssh -4 from the client, just to be sure it's trying to connect to a ipv4 address. But that's just poking it with a stick.
18:44<kop>traeger226 : I'm not really the one to ask. Maybe you should tell the channel what the real problem is, why you want to fuss with things.
18:44<mantra>kop: same thing happened
18:44<traeger226>kop, right. i had trouble with my partition table and recovered it with testdisk
18:45<traeger226>but the partition is not mountable atm
18:46<traeger226>more i cant tell. i know its hard to help here
18:46<traeger226>maybe there is a tool to analyze the partition?
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18:49<kop>mantra : If you use telnet, from the client and the server, like so: telnet serverip 22 You should get the same thing in the logs. This will tell us if the client is really reaching the server.
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18:50<mantra>kop: well it said connected to ip
18:50<mantra>but then reverted to SSH
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18:50<mantra>and now its hanging
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18:50<mantra>ill check the server log now
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18:50<mantra>nothing in auth.log
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18:53<mantra>so maybe this is just a horrible unfixable bug?
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18:53<mantra>oh instead of timing out, this time it said Connection closed by foreign host.
18:53<mantra>when i telneted
18:53<mantra>still nothing in auth.log tho
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18:54<traeger226>:(
18:54<traeger226>thanks anyway
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18:56<mantra>ok i give up
18:56<mantra>this computer will never be any kind of server
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18:56<mantra>there is something wrong with it
18:56<mantra>thanks so much for all the help tho
18:56<mantra>later
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19:44<mantra>hey whatsup all
19:44<mantra>i was wondering
19:44<mantra>does testing get more stable or less as time goes on?
19:44<Slurb>testing stays the same
19:44<Slurb>squeeze will get more stable
19:44<mantra>but it eventually turns into stable
19:45<mantra>oh ok
19:45<mantra>thats what i meant :P
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19:45<mantra>cool
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19:45<Slurb>if you use the name yes if you use "testing" no
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19:45<mantra>testing has been more stable for me than any other distro
19:45<Slurb>yes but not as stable as stable
19:45<mantra>of course
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19:46<Slurb>fedora is probably a good distro as well as mandriva
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19:46<mantra>i used to use fedora at like FC8
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19:46<mantra>its packaging system sucks
19:46<Slurb>i used red hat and as i recall it was pretty stable with gnome
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19:47<mantra>yeah fedora was very stable with KDE
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19:47<Slurb>and i liked mandriva, i dont recommend ubuntu though
19:47<Slurb>i love debian
19:47<mantra>i dont like all the useless complexity they add to ubuntu
19:48<Slurb>ubuntu was real buggy for me
19:48<mantra>yes I love debian too :)
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19:48<mantra>ubuntu has got to have more bugs than any other distro
19:48<taiyedbrodel>does debian is less buggy with either desktop environment?
19:48<Slurb>they rush things in imho
19:49<mantra>its less buggy with just a WM imo
19:49<Slurb>kde has come a long way in the last ten years
19:49<mantra>gnome was always buggy in debian for me
19:49<mantra>XFCE is great
19:49<Slurb>gnome and kde are both very stable in debian
19:49<taiyedbrodel>is one more than the other?
19:49<Slurb>i use gnome
19:49<taiyedbrodel>according to your expirience
19:49-!-sasi [~saseke@fibhost-66-35-12.fibernet.hu] has joined #debian
19:50<mantra>a window manager
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19:50<mantra>has anyone tried LXDE?
19:50<mantra>I like how it adheres to the unix philosophy
19:50<taiyedbrodel>I was very used to XFCE, but this is my first month on debian so I installed Gnome thinking maybe xfce could be a lil bit buggier than gnome
19:51<mantra>xfce is pretty damn stable
19:51<mantra>I use it
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19:51<mantra>updates reset prefrences in testing sometimes tho
19:51<mantra>thats about it for bugs ive experienced in xfce
19:51<taiyedbrodel>i see
19:51<taiyedbrodel>I love teh xfce!
19:51<drakeman>mantra, you get your ssh working ?
19:51<drakeman>it works now?
19:51<mantra>nope
19:52<mantra>i gave up
19:52<Slurb>im gonna check out lxde
19:52<drakeman>mantra, weird, i installed like a month ago, and i thing it was the easiest things to do. mm you read the logs? any message?
19:52<mantra>drakeman: i think its something lower lever, like core networking stuff
19:53<mantra>because NFS wont work either
19:53<mantra>serving, that is
19:53<drakeman>mantra, maybe, because the installation of openssh, is really easy, maybe you are right,
19:53<mantra>yeah i didnt do anything wierd with it
19:54<Slurb>brb
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19:54<drakeman>:(
19:54<mantra>maybe my router is broken or something
19:55<mantra>or it could be the wireless NIC
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19:56<Slurb>i love LXDE
19:56<Slurb>thank for mentioning it
19:56<Slurb>thanks
19:57<mantra>you just installed it?
19:57<Slurb>yeah
19:57<mantra>I think im gonna try it
19:57<mantra>its in beta tho
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19:57<mantra>so im afraid of bugs
19:57<Slurb>nah its in debian lenny
19:58<mantra>hmm i think ill try it
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19:58<Slurb>id trust it
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19:58<Slurb>seems to work so far
19:58<Slurb>very little cpu
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19:58<_Aonix>is it normal that xinetd is replaced by inetd?
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19:59<mantra>ive gotta find some good themes for it
20:00<mantra>oh awesome it uses openbox
20:01<_Aonix>in fact, my question should be is openbsd-inetd definitively replacing xinetd?
20:05<chealer>_Aonix: no
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20:08<operador>hello
20:08<operador>exit
20:08<operador>jejeje
20:08<operador>:q
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20:09<P4UL>hello
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20:12<GeMiNniS>hi
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20:13<_Aonix>chealer : I just upgraded and openbsd-inetd replaced xinetd ;(
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20:15<chealer>_Aonix: on a certain machine? maybe. depends on the upgrade
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20:16<Slurb>brb
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20:16<_Aonix>chealer: funny, I just redid apt-get update; apt-get upgrade and it reinstalled xinetd
20:16<_Aonix>:D
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20:20<mantra>well i just tried LXDE
20:20<mantra>it was meh
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20:20<mantra>it wouldnt work with oxygen-icon-theme
20:20<mantra>so ya theres a few bugs
20:20<Slurb>lemme see
20:21<mantra>it was just unpolished tho to me
20:21<Slurb>i dont have oxegen
20:21<mantra>like some of the words look they were written by non native english speakers
20:21<Slurb>are you on unstable?
20:21<mantra>nah im on testing
20:21<mantra>im not trying to fix it
20:21<Slurb>maybe thats why
20:21<mantra>ya im sure
20:22<mantra>it is the same vers. on testing and stable tho
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20:23<Slurb>found a bug
20:23<Slurb>when using the mouse scroll to change desktops the panel items dissappear
20:24<chealer>!congratulate Slurb
20:24<dpkg>Woohoo Slurb, you did it!
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20:29<Slurb>very buggy...back to gnome
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20:42<taiyedbrodel>hi, I have an ati radeon video card, and I'm having troubles instaling the driver
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20:43<taiyedbrodel>I select the fglrx-driver, and after I reboot the X goes crazy
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20:46<Slurb>taiyed thats why i use nvidia
20:46<Slurb>taiyedbrodel: lemme see if i can help
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20:47<taiyedbrodel>well this is an old pc
20:47<taiyedbrodel>I don't ask for much
20:47<taiyedbrodel>in fact is a very old card
20:47<Slurb>what card is it
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20:47<taiyedbrodel>ati radeon
20:48<Slurb>radeon 7000?
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20:49<taiyedbrodel>I can't remember
20:49<taiyedbrodel>I think is lower thatn 7000
20:49<taiyedbrodel>heh
20:49<Slurb>well the easiest way is probably to try envyng
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20:50<taiyedbrodel>it's integrated I think
20:51<taiyedbrodel>but it has worked before
20:51<Slurb>it should work
20:51<Slurb>you may need the driver from the ati website
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20:51<taiyedbrodel>but, at ubuntu 8.04 worked, but for 9.04 it didn't work
20:52<taiyedbrodel>I think it has to do with updating the kenel
20:52<Slurb>x86 or x86_64
20:52<taiyedbrodel>because when I started using previous kernel it looked odd but the X worked
20:52<taiyedbrodel>x86
20:53<Slurb>taiyedbrodel: what does lspci | grep ati say
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20:54<taiyedbrodel>01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200
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20:55<Slurb>try this link https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-9-3-x86.x86_64.run
20:56<Slurb>ati says thats the one for your card
20:56<Slurb>it will install the correct fglrx module
20:56<Slurb>you may have to satisfy some dependancies first
20:56<taiyedbrodel>I'm gonna try that slurb
20:57<Slurb>one sec
20:57<taiyedbrodel>I think it all goes to hell with this "linux-image-2.6.26-2-486"
20:58<Slurb>before you run the installer run sudo aptitude build-dep fglrx-glx
20:58<Slurb>then install the kernel headers
20:58<Slurb>its probably the debian version of the driver
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20:59<taiyedbrodel>ok Slurb, thanks
20:59<Slurb>n/p
20:59<taiyedbrodel>I'll let you know
20:59<Slurb>cool
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21:20<woocyfear>hello everybody
21:20-!-lancetw [~lancetw@isgslab8.csie.thu.edu.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:20<woocyfear>i need some help
21:21<woocyfear>i have 2 machines, and i would like to use remote graphical connection
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21:22<woocyfear>i use gnome on both machines
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21:23<woocyfear>i try use vinagre, but it says Connection to host "172.30.30.32:5900" was closed
21:24<mantra>so you want VNC?
21:25<mantra>I have no experience with it but you could try a diferent VNC program, like tightVNC
21:25<woocyfear>no, i want to use the x server
21:26<mantra>oh ok
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21:26<mantra>sorry i dont know anything about that
21:26<woocyfear>where can i find something
21:27<woocyfear> i searched for hours with google, but nothing found
21:27<mantra>have you tried it from GDM?
21:27<woocyfear>yes
21:28<woocyfear>on both machines running gdm
21:28<mantra>have you set up the x server as such?
21:28<woocyfear>but they are in different city
21:28<woocyfear>on the same local network
21:29<woocyfear>that is what i don't know how
21:29<mantra>using a VPN?
21:29<woocyfear>no, wireless network
21:30<mantra>different cities?
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21:30<woocyfear>yes, i have a big wireless network
21:31<mantra>oh ok
21:31<woocyfear>have you any idea?
21:31<mantra>have you set up the server to be an x server?
21:31<woocyfear>i think no
21:31<mantra>thats what you need to do
21:32<woocyfear>i'm new in linux
21:32<mantra>i dont know anything about doing that so your on your own
21:32<mantra>just read up on how to enable an x server
21:32<mantra>it shouldnt be too hard
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21:34<mantra>if an X server is too difficult to set up you can always use VNC
21:35<mantra>they both do similar things
21:35<mantra>just in different ways
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21:37<woocyfear>tighVNC is like teamviewr?
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21:45<deniz>is there a reason why sudo checkinstall make install works only when running off the terminal in the directory of the folder that i compiled from?
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22:06<mischief>deniz, perhaps because make runs the makefile in the cwd by default?
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22:07<deniz>mischief, what's cwd
22:07<mischief>current working directory
22:07<woocyfear_>hello
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22:07<deniz>mischief, so what can i do about this?
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22:08<woocyfear_>how can i login to my other machine from linux to linux, remote login is enabled on both machines
22:08<mischief>deniz, try reading the make manpage
22:08<mischief>woocyfear_, man ssh?
22:08<woocyfear_>but i need graphical interface
22:08<deniz>mischief, so im going to have to do something different in the command after ./configure is what you're saying? like add a certain parameter or something?
22:08<woocyfear_>i know ssh
22:09<woocyfear_>gnome running on both
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22:10<mischief>woocyfear_, man ssh, /-X
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22:10<mischief>deniz, perhaps, why don't you read the make manpage?
22:10<deniz>mischief, i am (just watching a show at the same time lol)
22:11<mischief>deniz, well, for starters, you could look for some kind of option to specify an alternate makefile
22:11<deniz>mischief, --makefile=FILE ?
22:12<mischief>tias
22:13<deniz>it says
22:13<deniz>"Use file as a makefile."
22:13<deniz>as description of what it does
22:13<deniz>but what file?
22:14<mischief>probably a makefile
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22:18<deniz>mischief, is Makefile.template my current makefile or is that not how it works?
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22:19<woocyfear_>i tried ssh -X user@172.30.30.32 and i got only console
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22:20<blarson_>woocyfear_: but you should be able to start X applications from that console
22:21<blarson_>(You may need to enable X forwarding in your sshd configuraiton)
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22:22<woocyfear_>i can't use x server??
22:23<woocyfear_>something like on windows the remote desktop
22:23<woocyfear_>login remotely to gnome
22:24<abrotman>vnc
22:24<woocyfear_>something other?
22:24<blarson_>woocyfear_: It's possible, but I've never done it.
22:24<woocyfear_>i already enabled the server, but i don't knoe how can i connect
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22:26<abrotman>!vnc
22:26<dpkg>somebody said vnc was Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at http://www.realvnc.com, or http://www.tridiavnc.com, or ask me about <x-not-vnc>. Packages in Debian include tightvncserver xvncserver xvnc4server and x11vnc, "apt-cache search vnc" will turn up many more. Also ask about <vnc setup>. http://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer
22:27<woocyfear_>x-not-vnc
22:27<woocyfear_>!x-not-vnc
22:27<dpkg>methinks x-not-vnc is instead of running a VNC server on Linux, run an X server on windows (MicroImages has a free (beer) one http://www.microimages.com/mix/mix-faq.htm) and use ssh X11 forwarding (ask me about <sshx> to learn how), or ; <Cygwin> also provides a free (speech) X server for windows.
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22:48<bershath>ping #debian
22:49<bershath>Guys, i'm seeing a few warn messages when my firewall is started. i'm using Squeeze : http://pastebin.com/m72eace72
22:49<bershath>any thoughts ?
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22:51<Slurb>what does /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc contain
22:51<woocyfear_>i found tightvnc server, but what is the client name?
22:52<Hideo>!tell woocyfear_ about apt-cache
22:53<Hideo>bershath: what do you think is the problem there?
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22:54<woocyfear_>i used teamviewer on windows, i want something like that on linux
22:54<X-LP>it works with wine :)
22:54<woocyfear_>yes, sometimes not starts
22:55<bershath>Hideo, i'm not seeing any errors, but just want to make sure what this WARN message means.
22:55<bershath>Hideo, i do have installed the nvidia driver, following the debian way , it works fine
22:56<Hideo>bershath: well... what do those Warning messages say?
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22:56<bershath>Hideo, you can find them here : http://pastebin.com/m72eace72
22:56<Hideo>bershath: I know, but I'm asking you :P
22:57<X-LP>woocyfear, i didnt install it, just slected the run option
22:57<Hideo>bershath: it's in English and you're from AU, I expect you to be able to understand what they mean :P
22:57<pandora01_>ping
22:57<bershath>Hideo, true .. just want to make sure what i'm seeing is what it is :-)
22:58<Hideo>bershath: really simple solution if you know what they mean ;)
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22:58<bershath>Hideo, lol yeah .. thanks .. as long as that's what it means ;-)
22:59<Hideo>bershath: although you're putting iptables modules in a file called nvidia-kernel-nkc can be misleading in the future
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23:00<bershath>Hideo, yep .. got it..
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23:00<kop>What's the "usual" way of passing library names to ld from gcc? I just wacked up, e.g., gcc -Wl,-lusb ... but is that's what's usually done/most readable?
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23:02<pandora01_>test
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23:02<bershath>Hideo, thanks mate.. upgraded the system to Squeeze from Lenny .. all good . thanks for your help once again
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23:04<_2>my lenny wont boot any debian kernel i have tried. they all fail to mount the rootfs and dump me into a busybox shell. from which if i mount the rootfs on /root and exit i get a kernel panic. any help ?
23:05<_2>it boots an old ubuntu kernel just fine. but none of the debian kernel/initramfs pairs seem to work.
23:05<woocyfear_>i installed tightvncserver , what i need to do now?
23:06<woocyfear_>how to start or need configuration, ...?
23:06<Hideo>woocyfear_: read the man page and /usr/share/doc/tightvncserver/*
23:07<_2>can anyone point me in the right dirrection on this ?
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23:09<Hideo>_2: maybe post/paste what the messages were so people who can help can then help ya
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23:10<Hideo>_2: that's not alot of info without knowing the specifics of your box
23:10<Supaplex>!paste
23:10<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
23:11<Hideo>good idea ^
23:11<Supaplex>if it kernel panics, take a photo
23:11<_2>heh photo...
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23:12<_2>Could not execute run-init.
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23:13<_2>where would run-init be hiding ?
23:13<kop>Is there some sys-req key or something that will "screen capture" the console? (Of course that might not work after a kernel crash....)
23:13<Hideo>_2: /usr/lib/klibc/bin/run-init
23:15<kop>_2: Take a look at mkinitrd. You might need to boot off a live cd or your old kernel and make one for your new kernel. (Although I'd have expected the installation of the kernel package to do this for you. You could try to re-install the kernel package.)
23:16<fmr>an idea why lshw give me cdrom0:0 UNCLAIMED ? (scsi cdrom on dc395uw)
23:16<_2>kop i have made several initramfs images and none will boot
23:16<fmr>it was working in times...
23:16<Hideo>kop: no sysrq key, /usr/src/linux*/Documentation/sysrq.txt doesn't say
23:17<Hideo>_2: what are your grub parameters?
23:17<_2> linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-bpo.1-686 root=UUID=2aaab1c0-092c-4d40-8128-912f85a2a3db ro quiet silent nosplash i8042.nomux=1
23:17<_2> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.30-bpo.1-686
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23:18<_2>same parameters for the ubuntu kernel
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23:19<_2>Hideo that's grub2 btw
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23:20<Hideo>_2: ok I was wondering, b/c I use grub ~ .99 and it s/linux/kernel/
23:20<_2>yeah, thought that might confuse
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23:21<_2>i have to use either grub2 or lilo because i don't use partitions.
23:21<Hideo>the root UUID is right?
23:21<kop>_2: Presumeably you're using a recent kernel for a reason. If you can't think of anything better to do and want to try poking with a stick you could get the latest 2.6.31 rc kernel and use make-kpkg to package and install it and see if that makes any difference.
23:22<_2>yes it's correct. Hideo
23:22<_2>and i have /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 also installed kop
23:23<_2>kop was using an older "etch" kernel which actually worked... unfortunately i removed it.
23:23<_2>s/kop was/kop, i was/
23:24<_2>i need at least 2.6.21+ for some of the hardware
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23:24<_2>maybe i should remove all the initramfs-tools and configs and reinstall the kernel + deps ?
23:27<Hideo>I dunno if that's a good idea or not
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23:28<kop>Reinstalling the kernels sound fine, but why remove the tools?
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23:31<Xerox>test
23:31<_2>kop because the initramfs.img is where the problem seems to be
23:32<_2>Xerox ping
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23:35<_2>ok reboot test. luck me wish !
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23:36<sasdl>hello, can anyone help with why my /etc/resolv.conf keeps getting overwritten. I've tried updating settings using the network applet under the system/administration/network menu item in gnome but it is also being reset
23:37<sasdl>possibly i can disable whatever is doing it?
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23:43<sasdl>can anyone help with why my /etc/resolv.conf keeps getting overwritten?
23:44<sasdl>have read suggestions that it could be dhcp...
23:45<Hideo>sasdl: you could try fuser to find out what's overwrites it but I dunno if that helps
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23:46<happydufus>winow show 1
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23:46<sasdl>root....
23:46<Lyraa>I have a little problem with my ampache server.
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23:48<sasdl>i think i found it... give another couple of minutes and i'll know for sure
23:49<sasdl>which will be awesome since now i can use my own dns server
23:50<Lyraa>when I want to read my playlist vlc start but I have no sound, and totem said me : unknow stream
23:50<Lyraa>Some can help me?
23:51<Lyraa>Someone*
23:53<Bizurke>Lyraa, do you have debian-multimedia repos in your sources.list?
23:54<Lyraa>yes Bizurke
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23:54<sasdl>i vaguely remember having some problems with totem, which i think were at least partly corrected when i moved to lenny
23:54<Bizurke>not sure if it's related at all but I've had lots of issues with VLC and official repos and debian-multimedia. Mostly ffmpeg but it might be worth looking into
23:55<sasdl>no exp with vlc though
23:55<Bizurke>VLC grabs libs from both places and some don't work together
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23:56<sasdl>anyone new know about why my resolv.conf gets overwitten all the time?
23:56<Lyraa>I have two computers and the two work with debian, the first play all of my playlist with totemwithout problems and the last don't run it
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23:57<sasdl>where does totem store its codecs anyways to check manually
23:57<sasdl>?
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23:59<Lyraa>I don't know.
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