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---Logopened Fri Jul 24 00:00:11 2009
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00:01<sasdl>would be nice to work out eh?
00:02<happydufus>sasdl do you use DHCP?
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00:04<sasdl>happydufus: one moment...
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00:08<happydufus>As I uderstand things if you use DHCP the DHCP client will rewrite the contents of resolv.conf with the information it obtains from the DHCP server
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00:13<sasdl>happydufus: sry, phone call. i found something call dhcdbd in the init scripts which i thought may have been it....
00:14<Bizurke>lol, I just finished reading the reslvconf man page as you mentioned resolv.conf being overwritten
00:14<Bizurke>odd
00:14<Bizurke>yes the DHCP client will overwrite /etc/resolv.conf
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00:14<sasdl>happydufus: yeah possible....
00:14<sasdl>but every couple of minutes?!
00:15<sasdl>surely it's only once on network initialisation
00:15<happydufus>DHCP is the most common way for a PC to get its IP settings when it connects to a network, eg a broadband modem/router will act as a DHCP server
00:16<sasdl>could try removing dhcp and then working out the ppp connection manually if it's not automatic.
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00:17<happydufus>If you use DHCP you need edit the file /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
00:17<sasdl>on the upside - my nameserver is working in the 1minute i had between resetting resolv.conf and it being reset!
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00:20<happydufus>for lines you want in your resolv.conf use the prepend command in your dhclient.conf (in mine I have prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; )
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00:23<sasdl>ok... can i stop it from overwriting the domain configuration as well or is that only NIS (i have no idea what NIS is yet! :))
00:23<Bizurke>yes you can. and no I don't remember how
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00:23<Bizurke>I am looking for the same thing though
00:24<PROject-Emerald>did BT4 take on the debian framework
00:24<PROject-Emerald>?
00:24<Bizurke>PROject-Emerald, yes it did
00:24<Bizurke>and it's freakin sweet
00:24<PROject-Emerald>ahh
00:25<PROject-Emerald>;_;
00:25<Bizurke>I've considered installing it as a primary OS for a laptop actually
00:25<PROject-Emerald>D: I can't boot from an external DVD drive so I have to run it in virtualbox -_-
00:26<Bizurke>ah, I've had that problem before
00:26<Bizurke>get it booted, take a snapshot and loading is nice and easy then ;-)
00:26<PROject-Emerald>:'( I dont have the money to buy a DVD drive lol
00:26<Bizurke>they're cheap now days, when you get extra cash
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00:26<Bizurke>hell a DVD burner is only $20
00:26<ColbyIsColby>hi all.
00:27<PROject-Emerald>I need a job.
00:27<PROject-Emerald>FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUu-
00:27<ColbyIsColby>lol
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00:27<Bizurke>I just took a 1 week temporary job removing hazardous materials from flooded buildings for minimum wage :-(
00:27<Bizurke>I'm used to working for a decent wage in Tech support
00:27<ColbyIsColby>Really?
00:27<ColbyIsColby>Wow.
00:28<Bizurke>12-14hr days for 6 days for freakin minimum wage. But you gotta do what you gotta do right
00:28<PROject-Emerald>why does this happen to me? -_-
00:28<ColbyIsColby>I have a question about one of the .iso's.
00:28<ColbyIsColby>...
00:29<PROject-Emerald>Im updating virtualbox and its updating at 9.2KBPS
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00:29<Bizurke>ColbyIsColby, I can *try* to help
00:29<ColbyIsColby>Thanks.
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00:30<PROject-Emerald>So
00:30<PROject-Emerald>*nix is pretty much 100% all community maintained?
00:30<ColbyIsColby>I downloaded the XCFE and LXDE iso
00:31<ColbyIsColby>for PPC.
00:31<ColbyIsColby>debian-502-powerpc-xcfe+lxde-CD-1.iso
00:31<ColbyIsColby>would i need an internet connection to install it?
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00:32<ColbyIsColby>or is all the necessary files included?
00:32<Bizurke>if you get the entire first CD then no
00:32<Bizurke>that will install the base system and windows manager
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00:32<Bizurke>everything else can be apt'd after that when you do get a connection
00:32<ColbyIsColby>so that will give me a dekstop and the basics of debian.
00:32<Bizurke>yup
00:32<ColbyIsColby>those basics would be... ?
00:32<Bizurke>the 699mb cd, not the 150mb or whatever
00:32<ColbyIsColby>any word processing?
00:33<ColbyIsColby>yeah.
00:33<ColbyIsColby>the 699mb cd.
00:33<Bizurke>I don't think so
00:33<Bizurke>I have a CD1 install right now let me check
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00:33<ColbyIsColby>thanks.
00:33<Bizurke>nope, just text editors
00:33<ColbyIsColby>anything else?
00:34<Bizurke>you could save an abiword .deb or something to a thumb drive maybe
00:34<Bizurke>but idk about depends
00:34<ColbyIsColby>okay.
00:34<Bizurke>nano and gedit are basically it
00:34<ColbyIsColby>oh okay.
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00:35<ColbyIsColby>would Debian with XCFE run on a 128MB RAM with a 500MHz PPC processor?
00:35<Bizurke>yeah
00:35<ColbyIsColby>k, thanks.
00:35<ColbyIsColby>thats all i needed! thanks for the help.
00:35<Bizurke>I ran sarge with gnome on a 333mhz with 64mb ram for quite some time
00:35<ColbyIsColby>oh.. xD
00:35<ColbyIsColby>have a great night.
00:35<Bizurke>you too
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00:36<sasdl_><Bizurke>, <happydufus> you might like to know that the prepend stuff worked. and probably with first time modify (maybe as you say with dhcp client modifying the config file) it's come up with some usefull commenting at the top of the file... modified by Network Manager
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00:37<Bizurke>sasdl_, I uninstalled resolvconf and edited /etc/resolv.conf with my own nameservers and am going to attempt to get a new DHCP lease to see if that lets me manually set it
00:37<Bizurke>brb
00:38<sasdl_>was that using ifup / ifdown?
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00:40<X-LP>http://nopaste.com/p/a2x7BH48gb <--- can anyone tell me why it says it cant find the file?
00:40<X-LP>or at least explain it to me :D
00:40<bizurke_>so that failed
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00:43<sasdl>no good. i'm off to read about network manager, network start up scripts, dhcp and dhcdbd - that should keep me going for a couple of days
00:43<bizurke_>lol
00:43<bizurke_>what kills me is that I've done this before
00:43<bizurke_>and just can't remember
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00:44<PROject-Emerald>-_-
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00:44<sasdl>i know... have been away from linux for a while and seems there's more auto stuff that is difficult to find info on... rather than just base config files and straight forward this is how you write the configs etc... ? or is that just me?
00:44<PROject-Emerald>If I run BT4 in VirtualBox I can still use it like normal right; with few limitations?
00:45<bizurke_>sasdl, it feels like in an effort to make things easier they created applications to auto write conf files, then you can't edit them yourself
00:45<bizurke_>which made it harder for _me_
00:46<sasdl>yeah... ok thanks - will keep looking
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00:46<gsimmons>PROject-Emerald: This isn't the BackTrack support channel. Ask your question in #remote-exploit on irc.freenode.net.
00:46<PROject-Emerald>-_-
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01:20<sasdl>is there anyone here who knows anything about the hurd?
01:21<tarzeau>sasdl: #hurd
01:21<tarzeau>buildd.debian-ports.org
01:21<tarzeau>they're making progress
01:22<sasdl>thankyou
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01:35<Tecna># cryptsetup create sdc5_crypt /dev/sda2
01:35<Tecna>Command failed: Incompatible libdevmapper 1.02.27 (2008-06-25)(compat) and kernel driver
01:35<Tecna>please help me resolve this
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01:37<Jason1>refresh my memory on unrar command so I can unrar parts of files
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01:38<Jason1>!tell me about unrar
01:38<Jason1>no dpkg
01:40*Jason1 sighs and goes to goggle.
01:40<Jason1>google*
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01:47<Jason1>ok hm. I'll guess I'll have ot figure out myself
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01:55<dou>hi
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02:01<dou>ubuntu group are so hot
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02:33<Tekno>morning
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02:34<pat_>Hi, when rebuilding the kernel the device modules aren't compiling. Can you point me in the right direction
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02:39<jm_>pat_: what device modules?
02:39<Yoda-BZH`Wk>plop/hi
02:39<pat_>i was just writing a simple helloworld
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02:43<jm_>then you are either missing kernel headers or it uses wrong way to build it
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02:46<pat_>the options shows up when i make menuconfig
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02:49<pat_>i see a helloworld.o in the /drivers/char directory but no .ko
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02:53<sasdl>hello
02:53<jm_>probably best to ask on kernelnewbies, another option is it's not marked as a module in config file
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02:54<sasdl>have submitted a bug yesterday to do with file modified date times, on closer inspection have more detail to be able to add - can't find it on the the debian bug list site though. should i submit another job with the additional information or wait for the other to come up?
02:55<pat_>thanks ill try to set it as option M
02:55<jm_>sasdl: which package was it for?
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02:56<sasdl>i'm unsure, it seems to be GMT? +10 not working on either the desktop clock or at the system level where the files are being written
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02:57<pat_>thanks jm it works after I set it to option M
02:57<pat_>it was on option *
02:59<sasdl>found it. it probably got canned as soon as it came up. my timezone wasn't set at all so i guess that's gmt +0
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03:00<sasdl>no, timezone isn't staying applied...
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03:22<Retro->-_- What was the info for the IRC? Ubuntu crashed again.
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03:26<sasdl>jm_: can tell me the quickest way to search for a dependancy in apt or synaptic etc... if i narrow down executing processes using ps then search for the binary image name in the software database, i should be able to submit the job properly with package and reasonable amount of certainty
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03:27<jm_>sasdl: hmm can you elaborate some more? I am not quite sure what you're after
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03:29<sasdl>jm_: maybe shoud direct a wider audience, but... i found image or binary names associated that are problematic. if i can find package they're associated with will probably use that to submit a bug report
03:29<sasdl>can i do this with aptitude?
03:30<jm_>sasdl: no, dpkg (if package is installed) or apt-file will help with that
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03:38<jmarsden>sasdl: dpkg -S `which executable` (replace executable with ls or emacs or whatever evil binary you are concerned with)
03:39<jm_>or with sane shell dpkg -S =executable :)
03:39<Bizurke>anyone else have nautilus crap out on them a lot since the most recent lenny update?
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03:47<sasdl>jm_, jmarsden: ok, getting to it.... with interuptions!
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03:49<sasdl>jm_, jmarsden: excellent thanks guys. will be under gnome-system-tools
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04:00<kmonk>hi everyone
04:01<kmonk>who knows a good simple to use leightweight ftp server i can use?
04:01<jm_>many people do
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04:02<mischief>kmonk, aptitude search ftpd
04:03<kmonk>yep i see the list, i was just wondering if anyone has a reccomendation
04:03<kmonk>i was thinking protftp
04:03<jm_>vsftpd
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04:03<kmonk>thanks i'll check it out
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04:14<ml|>any idea why i'm getting this warning message at boot ... .udev/already exists on the static /dev , everything seems to be working fine but would like to know why i'm getting that, i tried few things but have not worked
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04:17<jm_>hmm I don't see this, but I don't use debian kernels/initrd
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04:19<ml|>jm_: it's not a debian kernel, it's vanilla .30.2 i get that one machine but on the other using same kernel i don't, could it be something specific to that machine?
04:21<jm_>ml|: does it need initrd?
04:21<ml|>jm_: not using initrd
04:21<locklace>boot with init=/bin/bash and rm -r /dev/.udev if it exists
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04:23<zmc>hello everyone
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04:25<jm_>ml|: hmm not quite sure other than initrd
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04:25<ml|>locklace: will try that
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04:26<ml|>jm_: ok, will keep looking, but everything works so fine
04:27<jm_>ml|: yeah it's just a warning
04:27<ml|>and no /dev/.udev
04:28<ml|>thanks
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04:33<jm_>i doubt removing .udev will help since it will be back (it's created in udev init script), but it's worth trying
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05:53<lbt>aptitude is reporting "302 Found" errors. wget works for the reported URL. I have apt-cacher-ng in the loop.
05:54<lbt>can I tell aptitude to follow the 302?
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06:39<gast>how can I build a netboot system to boot testdisk via lan
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06:56<m0j4h3d>I am a new user .. wish to get some help
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06:57<m0j4h3d>is there any one here
06:57<jm_>!tell m0j4h3d -about ask
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06:58<m0j4h3d>can i open my email here in backtrack 4
06:59<m0j4h3d>hey guys can i open my email and chat here in backtrack 4
07:00<craigevil>!debian based
07:00<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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07:01<m0j4h3d>can i download kmess and open my email
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07:04<craigevil>m0j4h3d: try asking in #remote-exploit on irc.freenode.net
07:04<m0j4h3d>ok
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07:12<jm_>amazing, i386 finally gets firefox 3.5.1, together with powerpc!
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07:32<ml|>jm_: really when, don't see that info anywhere
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07:32<Felip>opa
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07:34<jm_>ml|: in experimental
07:34<chn>````
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07:35<ml|>jm_: ah, yes being there for a bit now, thought you meant for testing/sid
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07:36<jm_>ml|: no, it wasn't there yesterday
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07:37<ml|>ok, on the pages i look at said it was in experimental, when i checked shortly after 3.5 came out
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07:39<jm_>yup, it appeared very fast for amd64, sparc and s390 for example
07:40<drone77>I'm looking to add multi monitor support to the console, something like fbgetty used to provide. Any suggestions?
07:40<ml|>ah, i see what you are saying, i never checked for which arch it was out for, sorry my mistake
07:41<jm_>right, I have asked here about why i386 builds lag so much, but haven't received an answer so far
07:42<jm_>(asked several times over months)
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07:42<ml|>you would think it would be out on i386 first
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07:46<themill>jm_: from the build logs, the package is built but awaiting upload. This manual step is usually why i386 lags, and as more DDs begin to use amd64, the i386 porters are getting more work than they used to. (I don't think it's lack of hardware, unlike other buildds where that's definitely the case)
07:47<jm_>themill: ahh and it's nowhere to be found by peons?
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07:49<themill>jm_: not that I know of.
07:50<adrian>Hello guys .Can anyone help with a pre-seed info in lenny ?
07:51<jm_>themill: ok thank you for the info
07:51<themill>jm_: no worries. Not that it was *that* informative ;)
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07:52<peibolvig>hola
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07:52<jm_>themill: well I am not really informed about how the process goes, so that manual upload step was missing in my mental picture
07:52<peibolvig>hi
07:52<adrian>I've been trying to run a script (/bin/sh ) in a lenny preseed file , but I need it to run just after disk-detect of before partman is loaded . Does anyone knows how I can do that ?
07:53<themill>jm_: there's been quite a thread on debian-devel of late about trying to improve this process. Some have suggested that if the build passes various lintian checks, that the build be autosigned and autouploaded. Others have opposed this suggestion. And as usual, the thread petered out without any real resolution.
07:54<peibolvig>I'm very new in linux, I want to connect throguh my wireless to the internet. I configure all and now I'm connected to the wifi AP but I can't navigate (I connect to the irc using cable)
07:55<peibolvig>anyone have any idea on why i'm connected but can't navigate?
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07:55<peibolvig>I checked the dns but that's all fine
07:55<lili_>clear\
07:55<lili_>quit
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07:58<Slurb>peibolvig: is there a firewall installed?
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08:00<peibolvig>nope
08:00<peibolvig>Slurb: nope
08:01<Slurb>then it sounds like a router problem
08:01<Slurb>are you connected through a router?
08:01<peibolvig>yes
08:01<Slurb>connect to it and try restarting it
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08:02<peibolvig>but yesterday I get to connect a few minutes, until I reboot...
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08:02<peibolvig>ok, i'm gonna restart it now
08:02<enouf>peibolvig: can you 'ping c4 google.com' say? if not what makes you think you're "connected"?
08:03<enouf>sorry - ping -c4
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08:03<peibolvig>(give me a minutes and I check all you say. I'm gonna disconnect the cable)
08:03<enouf>and i realize DNS needs to work for that to work, you can ping via IP though to eliminate that
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08:04<adrian>Hello Guys , does anyone know what I can use instead of d-i partman/early_command in a preseed file in lenny ? d-i partman/early_command does not work ... :(
08:04<Slurb>enouf i think he can access his router but not the net
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08:09<enouf>oh
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08:09<enouf>adrian: are you sure you do not _also_ need something else loaded/enabled for that to work? (a prerequisite)
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08:10<peibolvig>I restarted the router and made the ping -c4 and nothing
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08:11<peibolvig>hi again
08:11<peibolvig>I say I'm connected because wicd tells me that im connected
08:11<peibolvig>with a level signal and yesterday I get to connect for a while (until reboot)
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08:11<peibolvig>I restarted the router and made the ping -c4 and nothing
08:11<adrian>enoif : I am preaty sure .
08:12<Slurb>ahh
08:12<enouf>adrian: might ask in #debian-boot, but it's a devel channel, so you might not even get a response ..and/or it might take days (and explain better what is not working and why and situation)
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08:12<adrian>ok .thanks
08:12<Slurb>peibolvig: wifi?
08:12<peibolvig>yes
08:13<Slurb>are you connected to the correct network
08:13<enouf>peibolvig: i'm pretty bad with wifi issues ... so .. i'll hang back for now
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08:13<peibolvig>yes, the correct network
08:13<peibolvig>right password and right ip/dns
08:13<Slurb>all security is off on the router?
08:13<peibolvig>I checked that zillions of times XD
08:13<enouf>perhaps a flakey driver issue? connects/disconnects randomly?
08:14<peibolvig>nope, when I installed wicd it worked fine, until reboot
08:14<Slurb>i had probs with wifi and the ath9k and ath5k modules
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08:15<Slurb>try opening a browser and connecting to http://192.168.1.1
08:15<peibolvig>ok
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08:15<Slurb>and if that doesnt work try http://192.168.0.1
08:15<Slurb>that should be your router
08:16<peibolvig>ok, (sorry, every try I have to disconnect the cable X_D)
08:16<peibolvig>one minute
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08:23<peibolvig_>well, the browser rejects the conection when I put 192.168.0.1 and ...1.1 too
08:23<peibolvig_>I made a ping to 192.168.0.10
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08:23<peibolvig_>and it route the ping to my network ip
08:24<Slurb>i think the security is having probs
08:24<Slurb>what form are you using?
08:25<peibolvig_>ping 192.168.0.10 (my router have this ip, instead of 192.168.0.10, i tried that in browser too with the same result)
08:25<peibolvig_>*instead of 192.168.0.1
08:25<Slurb>so you connected to http://192.168.0.10
08:26<ottoshmidt>!debian
08:26<dpkg>debian is, like, http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
08:26<ottoshmidt>!dpkg
08:26<dpkg>hmm... dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
08:26<Slurb>!dpkgbot
08:26<dpkg>Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>.
08:26<ottoshmidt>Slurb, :)
08:26<peibolvig_>but isn't strange that yesterday just after install of wicd I can connect?
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08:27<peibolvig_>yes i tried to connect http://192.168.0.10
08:27<peibolvig_>in the ping
08:27<Slurb>something must have been done after the install, yes it is strange
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08:28<peibolvig_>when it route me to 192.168.0.80 (my network ip for this computer)
08:28<peibolvig_>From 192.168.0.80 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
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08:29<Slurb>peibolvig_: what happens when you type sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
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08:31<peibolvig_>Reconfiguring network interfaces...Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06)
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08:32<Slurb>try ifconfig mode managed wlan0
08:33<Slurb>or iwconfig
08:33<peibolvig_>iwconfig: unknown command "managed"
08:34<peibolvig_>managed: `Host' desconocido
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08:34<peibolvig_>the second thing i paste is with ifconfig
08:34<peibolvig_>the first is with iwconfig
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08:36<Slurb>pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
08:36<Slurb>!pastebin
08:36<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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08:37<peibolvig_>mmm, how i do the pastebin?
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08:38<Slurb>http://paste.debian.net/ go there
08:38<peibolvig_>ok
08:38<Slurb>and paste the url to the paste in here
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08:40*kmap also recommends apt-get install pastebinit
08:40<peibolvig_>http://paste.debian.net/42595/
08:41<peibolvig_>i hide the password with *
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08:41<Slurb>perfect
08:41<Slurb>so your device is atho?
08:42<peibolvig_>(i tried to uncomment all those lines in interfaces too)
08:42<peibolvig_>yes
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08:43<Slurb>i want you to uncomment the auto line and the iface line but change static to dhcp
08:43<peibolvig_>ok
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08:44<Slurb>and uncomment the keymode line and the key line as well
08:44<peibolvig_>done
08:44<peibolvig_>yes
08:44<peibolvig_>done
08:44<peibolvig_>^
08:44<Slurb>ok now try /etc/init.d/networking restart
08:45<jm_>you don't need to restart all of networking, just use ifdown/ifup
08:45<Slurb>same thing just one command
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08:46<jm_>it's not the same thing, it doesn't affect other interfaces
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08:46<Slurb>he unplugs the eth0 first
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08:46<jm_>ok then its irrelevant indeed, sorry
08:48<Slurb>i think its a driver issue
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08:49<Slurb>gonna see what card he has next
08:49<Slurb>if dhcp doesnt work
08:50<jm_>does his router have ethernet ports? if so it's probably better to use that to connect to it
08:50<Slurb>definately i would agree
08:51<Slurb>wifi has allways been intermittent at best with linux
08:51<Slurb>always*
08:51<peibolvig__>uhum
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08:51<Slurb>so what happened
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08:52<peibolvig__>http://paste.debian.net/42597/
08:52<peibolvig__>when i made the restart that happened
08:52<peibolvig__>but
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08:53<peibolvig__>in other linux dist i connect without too much problem
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08:53<peibolvig__>i don't know, maybe the card is not fully functional or something
08:54<Slurb>ok i ran into the same problem with my card it was the module in my case i had to reinstall
08:54<jm_>peibolvig__: did you try with a newer kernel?
08:54<Slurb>what card is it
08:54<peibolvig__>yes, yesterday I followed a tutorial to renew the kernel
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08:55<Slurb>it should be wlan0 though
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08:55<Slurb>instead of ath0
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08:55<Slurb>ath0 reminds me of the madwifi driver
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08:55<jm_>madwifi uses ath
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08:55<jm_>yeah
08:55<Slurb>thats old
08:55<peibolvig__>yeah, the card is atheros
08:56<Slurb>atheros what??
08:56<Slurb>g n
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08:56<peibolvig__>let me check (i did it yesterday but... can you tell me how to check the network card model? ^^U)
08:56<jm_>!wifi
08:56<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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08:56<jm_>peibolvig__: ^^^^^^
08:57<jm_>the wiki has info on how to identify the card
08:57<Slurb>lspci | grep net
08:57<peibolvig__>oh, thanks... i'm very new in this world... too much things to learn XD
08:57<peibolvig__>too many
08:57<Slurb>peibolvig__: type lspci | grep net
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08:58<peibolvig__>ahteros AR2413 802.11bg NIC (rev 01)
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08:59<jm_>peibolvig__: why aren't you using ath5k driver then?
08:59<peibolvig__>no idea... i get this point following tutorials and wikis
08:59<Slurb>peibolvig__: you are using an old driver
09:00<jm_>ok go here and follow this instead: http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k
09:00<peibolvig__>ok, lets see
09:00<Slurb>yes follow jm_'s link
09:00<Slurb>much better results with the ath5k driver i had
09:01<slept>i am trying to set up nagios3, I don't know much about apache - can I consider the coniguration it comes with as secure, or do I have to make changes first
09:02<peibolvig__>well, i have to go now, i will try that driver.
09:02<peibolvig__>Thanks a lot for your help!
09:03<Slurb>n/p good luck
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09:06<lili_>I want my system read the /etc/profile without reboot the system,what i can do??,thanks
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09:06<jm_>lili_: ehh? shell reads it each time it's started, no need to reboot
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09:08<slush>slept: you have to configure it properly if you want it to be working well
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09:10<lili_>jm_ I don`t think so ,,I have defined JAVA_HOME in /etc/profie ,But my new shell reflects nothing when i #echo $JAVA_HOME
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09:10<lili_>jm_ I defined like this : export set JAVA_HOME=.............
09:10<slept>slush, well thats common sense. Problem is that I never used apache before, and I don't expect it to be that simple ... I will only need it for nagios. I was hoping that the configuration apache comes with is "secure" and I don't have to touch it ...
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09:12<slept>lili_, if you are using X you have to log out your user not just opening a new terminal or try at cli
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09:13<Slurb>slept: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/nagiosinstall.htm
09:13<slush>oh, you were talking about apache's config ..
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09:14<slept>Slurb, thanks
09:14<jm_>lili_: the syntax is "export JAVA_HOME=foo", not export set JAVA_HOME=foo and modern java versions don't need JAVA_HOME
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09:14<slept>slush, well its both since I can't have one without the other
09:15<Slurb>export only works for the working terminal right?
09:15<Slurb>non-permanent
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09:16<jm_>lili_: keep in mind bash only reads that if it's a login shell, use /etc/bash.bashrc instead
09:16<jm_>(for regular shells)
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09:18<lili_>jm_ Do you mean i should defined my variable in /etc/bash.bashrc??
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09:18<jm_>lili_: if you want it to be read for non-login shells too then yes
09:19<jm_>read=set
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09:19<lili_>jm_ So bash is not my login shell???
09:20<jm_>lili_: no, that's not what you think, read man bash, section INVOCATION
09:20<lili_>jm_ It seems when i am login in console mode ,,it comes with bash//
09:21<jm_>lili_: yes, if you login in console it's a login shell
09:21<lili_>jm_ thanks a lot...
09:21<jm_>but if you start a new terminal in X it's typically not
09:22<lili_>jm_ that`s clear..
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09:27<lili_>jm_ I found another way..run #login ,and then login with an account,and i get JAVA_HOME variable
09:28<lili_>jm_ withount logout the X-system
09:28<JonB>what do i do when bugzilla3 in sid requires libemail-reply-perl (>= 1.202) which is unavailable?
09:31<themill>JonB: welcome to sid. It can also use an alternative package, that is available though
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09:32<JonB>themill: if there are alternative packages
09:32<JonB>themill: maybe from testing?
09:33<themill>libemail-reply-perl (>= 1.202) | libemail-mime-creator-perl
09:33<JonB>how did you find that?
09:34<themill>JonB: but apt should work that out for you. what are you trying to do?
09:34<JonB>themill: install bugzilla 3.2.4 using a debian package to get UTF8 support in bugzilla
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09:34<JonB>themill: on a lenny platform
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09:34<JonB>so the rest are stable and i have security bugfixes
09:35<themill>that's quite probably not going to work out so well
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09:35<JonB>all needed packages except for the one above and yui seems to be available in lenny
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09:50<slept>wow after having a closer look at nagios I sense that this might be a bit to complicated /oversized, what I would need is monitoring of cpu/net load and samba ... any suggestion ?
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10:17<mystified>fail2ban isn't playing nicely. I have dovecot running pop3 and imap4, it is logging authentication messages, at least some of which match the regex according to the fail2ban-regex command. But no matter how often I use the wrong pop3 password it isn't banning me :(
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10:20<mystified>Log is to /var/log/mail.log, I've tried simplifying the jail.conf to match ssh more as that works nicely. Only thing I can think is perhaps the mail.log is too big and noisy?! could reestablish mail.warn hmm.....
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10:21<Gothian>Hello everybody.... I'm having a hard time with Atheros and Kernel 2.6.30... I know this driver won't be supported anymore, but... is there another one I can try?
10:21<mystified>Running fail2ban-regex returns at least one abusive host, and this host was not banned as expected. Currently doesn't list my own IP address despite many failed attempts at login
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10:25<gsimmons>Gothian: If you're referring to the MadWifi driver, there's ath5k (/msg dpkg ath5k). What problem are you experiencing?
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10:27<Gothian>gsimmons, Well, I'm ussing SID, and only works on Kernel 2.6.26 ... I tryed to compile it, just don't work on the new kernel
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10:29<Gothian>gsimmons, I'll give it a try..... thanks a lot
10:29<mystified>Trying a purge ;)
10:29<cetko>hi, how can i call an external script from preinst when creating a deb package
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10:30<bja>cetko: #debian-mentors
10:30<cetko>thx
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10:41<leikh>Is it possible to use webdav with apache2 and suexec on shared hosting (it's a security issue if apache must have write access to all homedirs)?
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10:45<Hans_Henrik>if i have a FAT32 formatted harddrive, can i install debian on it without formatting?
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10:47<mystified>leikh: I think this was discussed on Debian-Administration - possibly comments to something I wrote, although webdav sucks - I'll check
10:48<mystified>Reinstall fail2ban got me a broken regular expression for the rule I was having trouble with (sigh).
10:48<bja>Hans_Henrik: no reason why not, but i wouldn't do it
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10:50<leikh>mystified: webdav isn't great, but for just working with .ics, it's ok...
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10:51<mystified>leikh: here anonymous says "no suexec" -- http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/285 -- I don't see the problem, Apache only needs write permission to those directories webdav will be run with. It has to write with the same permissions the website will be owned, so your server WILL be less secure than the default Debian vsftp and apache config.
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10:52<mystified>Did I already say webdav sucks ( ;-) ).
10:52<mystified>You could run two instances of Apache maybe? Or similar, or even on a different server and do some NFS magic to change ownership... lots of possibilities.
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10:53<chealer>;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
10:53<leikh>are there alternatives to webdav that can work with .ics-files?
10:53<enouf>chealer: naughty cat? or ... infant? :-P
10:53<petemc>is that what caldav does?
10:54<Hans_Henrik>if i have a computer with WinXP installed, and i wanna try set up a multi-boot XP/Debian, should there be any problems/something to keep in mind? (ive never tried debian before, and only played around little with ubuntu server)
10:54<leikh>petemc: isn't that the webdav-extension?
10:54<petemc>i dont know, going by the name, probably
10:54<mystified>leikh: if it is just for .ics, can't you just ensure that ics files are writable by www-data and leave everything else owned by the user?
10:56<mystified>Hehe finally got myself banned by my own POP3 server -- hurray
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11:00<chealer>enouf: http://ido.ath.cx/16.ogg
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11:01<enouf>chealer: debconf9 related? :-)
11:01<mystified>Hans_Henrik: backup everything first and test the backup. I also burn myself a gparted CD or similar, so I have a nice simple tool for repartitioning before I try Debian.
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11:02<mystified>Hans_Henrik: you might also want to backup the MBR. Lots of folks seem to trash this when doing dual boot, but I've no idea how as it has always "Just worked" for me.
11:03<enouf>Hans_Henrik: easiest, is don't get too fancy, use a separate HDD for each OS, and keep windows as 1st system/BIOS disk, and 1st partition the BIOS checks -- and stay away from Ext'd partitioning and their DOS logical volumes
11:03<chealer>enouf: no, just a naughty infant cat
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11:03<enouf>Hans_Henrik: but .. to be honest .. there are a million ways to goof - so Backup ;-)
11:03<enouf>chealer: kittenhuffin@!
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11:04<enouf>Hans_Henrik: also, generally, us unix folk recommend grub or another bootloader over the Windows NTLDR, so ...
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11:06<enouf>Hans_Henrik: also - you actually might be better off trying to install ubuntu 1st, since their comm seems to have many more Windows Dual booters, and issues, and stuff -- but it's your call -- checkout http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Eherman546/p15.html
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11:08<chealer>enouf: what do you mean?
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11:13<Hans_Henrik>im on a low-end computer with 380 MB ram (2*64 mb and 1x256 mb), debian uses less memory than ubuntu server edition~ right?
11:15<Hans_Henrik>enouf: thanks for the warning, ill get to backup the (40 gb) harddrive now
11:16<mystified>Hans_Henrik: depends what you install. I usually do a minimal install and then add what I need, but I'd suggest selecting one of the preset bundles in the Debian installer first time through, just so you get some user friendly stuff like a graphical desktop!
11:16<mystified>Hans_Henrik: What are you planning to use Debian for - replacement Desktop - or to learn about running a server?
11:17<Hans_Henrik>im gonna use it to learn about running a server yeah (using my ooollldd gaming pc) - i can choose gui desktop from netinstall right?
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11:22<mystified>Hans_Henrik: yes - Desktop is an option from the netinstall installer, they all offer pretty much the same if you follow the Debian installation instructions. You'll probably want about 5GB of space as a minimum these days. It'll fit in a lot less, but then you'll want to try everything out and regret not having more space.
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11:23<Hans_Henrik>will there be any significant performance boost if i download the source-code and compile it with -march=pentium3 , or should i just go with the pre-compiled X86 iso?
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11:24<mystified>Hans_Henrik: performance from recompiling - no not really unless it is code that heavily uses available CPU multimedia instuctions like mplayer
11:25<Hans_Henrik>mystified: well i defiantly wont be running movies on it :p
11:25<mystified>Hans_Henrik: even then there are ways and means - but the default Debian performance from some video software is a tad slow. There are folks who have rebuilt them for those of us who like to stick with packages and not compiling code.
11:25<kristianGutierrez>Hi, Im a Newbbie here but Im in trouble using debian in to a System on module, being specific, setting up a connection, can anybody help me
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11:27<enouf>chealer: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Kitten_Huffing (Warning! - might be offensive)
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11:27<mystified>kristianGutierrez: didn't understand the question - #debian-es if your native language is spanish.
11:28<kristianGutierrez>yes is Spanish but I suppose you can help me
11:29<mystified>kristianGutierrez: always willing to try. What are you trying to connect to?
11:29<kristianGutierrez>I have an embedded ARM system on module
11:29<kristianGutierrez>you know what it is?
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11:30<mystified>kristianGutierrez: as it happens yes - but I'm not a guru on them. Do you have the manufacturers install or have you installed your own version of Debian?
11:31<kristianGutierrez>So, I modified the scrip to connect it to internet, as the guide said but doesnt work
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11:32<mystified>kristianGutierrez: you still have console access to the device? i.e. can still login?
11:32<kristianGutierrez>Yes Im connected via minicom
11:33<kristianGutierrez>thats how I get in to that console
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11:33<mystified>What file did you modify, and how? Again - which version of Debian, who is the supplier of the board. And when you say doesn't work - what happens?
11:34<kristianGutierrez>I define the script as the seller said so, but doesnt work
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11:34<kristianGutierrez>supplier is TS technology systems
11:35<kristianGutierrez>embeddedarm.com
11:35<kristianGutierrez>and the version is... just a sec because I dont remember
11:36<kristianGutierrez>do you remember which I have to type just to know the OS version into shell
11:36<mystified>!version
11:36<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros
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11:37<kristianGutierrez>kernel is 2.4
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11:39<kristianGutierrez>ok debian sarge
11:40<kristianGutierrez>is debian sarge and sorry Im a linux newbie user to
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11:41<kristianGutierrez>into the root the modified script was interfaces, which is the place where I define my connections
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11:46<kristianGutierrez>so, is not enough info?
11:46<kristianGutierrez>I think so
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11:54<kristianGutierrez>ok thanks mystified
11:54<Hans_Henrik>im used to Teamviewer/UVNC for Windows, but is there a similar program i can use in debian?
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11:58<voicu>hi, is there a way to make an alias or something for an ethernet interface?
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11:58<voicu>i want eth0 to be the same as eth2
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12:00<voicu>to clarify: all my settings are done for eth0 but the system sees it as eth2, can i fool him in seeing eth0 as eth2?
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12:01<mystified>Oh dear he went away while I was busy learning python :(
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12:03<mystified>python does it have something like "bash -x" ?
12:04<voicu>is there a cache of the devices plugged in earlier? why would debian skip eth0?
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12:05<voicu>ok, i'll just reboot it again ;))
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12:06<uvvtu>всем привет
12:06<uvvtu>i am russian
12:06<bja>!ru
12:06<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
12:06<uvvtu>mafia+vodka+sex
12:07<uvvtu>hi
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12:12<sarc_3>Does splashy allow you to use custom images for the splash screen?
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12:13<petern>images? splash screen?
12:13<petern>hmm
12:13<sarc_3>Does splashy allow you to use custom images for the splash screen?
12:13<sarc_3>sorry for double post
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12:14<sarc_3>the default image that Splashy shows at startup is the Penguin, can you change that?
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12:16<adb>sarc_3: uname -r , says ?
12:18<sarc_3>one sec, gotta reboot.. splashy also freezes at boot
12:19<happydufus>sarc3: if you search you will findd a number of themes available, as to making you own in memory serves me right you will nee to be familiar with programing c (or similar)
12:19<sarc_3>i have no problem with C, so are you saying the image is compiled into the binary?
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12:21<happydufus>sarc_3 : something like that, it's a while since I filed with it so the memory is a bit vague
12:21<sarc_3>ok, ill have a look. thanks
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12:22<bumpylight>I would like to try again to get an answer to this question.
12:23<bumpylight>I asked around here and in mailing lists, and believe it or not, no one actually answered the question.
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12:24<bumpylight>If one has already downloaded via BitTorrent the five DVD diskettes for Debian i386, then is it only necessary to download via BitTorrent the single "update" DVD diskette to have an up to date set of DVD diskettes?
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12:24<bumpylight>I'm not sure why this question is so hard to answer. There is an essential and enduring ambiguity.
12:24<bja>!ask
12:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:25<bumpylight>I last asked in April, I think.
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12:25<bumpylight>It is possible that the problem only is for very literal minds who insist on computer-like precision. :)
12:26<bumpylight>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2/i386/bt-dvd/
12:26<themill>bumpylight: I believe that's correct. But I never use the update dvd as I just use the security mirror. This should be documented in the install guide, however.
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12:27<bumpylight>Hmmm, okay, thanks, themill. The Debian page probably should be updated to clarify this, but I'm not sure how to get anyone at Debian to update it with better wording.
12:28<chealer>bumpylight: you must mean DVD-s, not DVD diskettes
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12:28<sarc_3>ha
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12:28<bumpylight>Well, technically ... yeah. :)
12:28<chealer>bumpylight: which five DVD-s for Debian i386?
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12:29<bumpylight>The original releases, chealer, from February.
12:29<chealer>bumpylight: then yes
12:29<bumpylight>Okey-dokey.
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12:30<bumpylight>It did seem the logical answer, but one learns to be very cautious about assuming anything.
12:30<bumpylight>Assuming is how one gets into trouble.
12:31<bumpylight>Hmmm, digital versatile diskette ...?
12:31<bumpylight>Must Google!
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12:32<themill>bumpylight: you could file a bug against the "www.debian.org" pseudo-package (or perhaps "release-notes") if you want to suggest a better wording.
12:32<bumpylight>Oh, it's disk or disc ... well.
12:33<bumpylight>Okay, themill. I'll figure out how to leave a bug report later.
12:35<bumpylight>I'll also check out the install guide. There may be a mismatch between that and the download page(s).
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12:41<bumpylight>For some reason, suddenly there springs to mind an image of Debby Goes to Redmond, with a luscious anthropomorphised penguin dressed up in cheerleader duds.
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12:41<bumpylight>I think I need to go walk around for a while and get exercise. :/
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12:43<bumpylight>It's from thinking on that joke I made on Slashdot, though, about the Munich Linux project needing a logo of Tux hoisting a good German beer, so I have an excuse, sorta ....
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12:45<mataks>help pls, ahhmmm how to install my video card driver? i have nvidia geforce 8700.. my resolution are too low.
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12:47<bja>dpkg: tell mataks about nvidia
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12:50<bumpylight>Mataks?
12:50<mataks>i have trouble solving this one.. newbie here
12:52<mataks>im using the vesa driver to start x... how to install nvidia drivers? can i just use "apt-get nvidia something"?
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12:53<bja>mataks: read the message dpkg sent you
12:54<mataks>i don't know where to start.. :(
12:54<bumpylight>Oops, sorry, I was Googling mataks only to realise just now that mataks is not a package.
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12:55<bumpylight>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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12:58<mataks>bumpylight: *
12:58<mataks> 0. Make sure APT has non-free and contrib sources (consult the sources.list(5) man page for help on doing this) <--what does this mean? how to edit apt-get source list?
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12:59<mystified>at the risk of confusing folks further I think the "free driver" advice for nvidia on the Wiki looks somewhat dated! But hey I don't have an nvidia card so not my thing
12:59<bja>mataks: vi /etc/apt/sources.list
13:00<mataks>bja: what list should i add to download the non free drivers?
13:00<bja>or whatever editor you like
13:00<bumpylight>A quick Google:
13:01<bumpylight>http://www.mepis.org/node/569
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13:01<bja>mataks: read the whole page first so you get an overall picture of the process, then look for the specifics
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13:03<mystified>hmm reading the rest of the Debian nvidia wiki page, I can only conclude whoever wrote it really hates people using non-free drivers.
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13:05<bumpylight>Admittedly binary lumps are annoying.
13:05<bumpylight>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=366
13:05<bumpylight>Just for information. :)
13:07<bumpylight>Oh, well. Good luck, mataks.
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13:09<chealer>mataks: you don't add a list, you add to the sourced list. You know how to edit a text file, right?
13:09<chealer>s/sourced list/sources list/
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13:11<mataks>bumpylight: i add deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian in my sources.list am i doing right?
13:11<mataks>if so now how to update the sources.list
13:12<mataks>i tried apt-update it says that command not found
13:12<adb>apt-get update
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13:13<adb>mataks: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main non-free contrib
13:13<mataks>oh there thnx.. i left out the "get" hehe
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13:14<mataks>abd: should i add that on my sources.list? i need to get the non free nvidia drivers..
13:14<adb>yes
13:14<mataks>and also the kernel module as what it says on the guide
13:15<mataks>k thnx.. i'll try
13:15<wilberfan>does 2-finger touchpad scrolling require some manual configing to work in debian squeeze?
13:15<wilberfan>it's not working on this fresh install...
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13:16<adb>mataks: add too , deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main non-free contrib
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13:17<adb>dpkg: tell mataks -about bpo
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13:17<chealer>wilberfan: what is 2-finger touchpad scrolling?
13:17<chealer>adb: ...why would he need that?
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13:18<adb>for nvidia source ?
13:18<adb>s/source/sources
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13:19<chealer>adb: nvidia-kernel-source is actually a "binary package" (in Debian jargon)
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13:19<adb>oh, ok than
13:20<wilberfan>chealer: two finger scrolling is pretty much how it sounds: want to scroll down a long web page? two fingers on the touch pad, top-to-bottom scrolls the page...
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13:21<Gothian>Hello... I got rid of madwifi and that ath5k is working now ...... the problem I have now, is that I have internet, but my LAN doesn't work. I don't have a firewall, and in the doc. says I should change "all occurrences of 'ath0' with 'wlan0'" if I had firewall.... would that has something to do with it?
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13:21<chealer>wilberfan: ah, so it's like "one-finger scrolling", except the finger(s) doesn't have to be on the side?
13:22<Slurb>Gothian: what do you mean lan doesnt work?
13:22<mataks>now how to determine which version of the driver should i install for my nvidia card?
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13:22<wilberfan>chealer: i guess so, yeah....
13:22<Slurb>mataks new card?
13:22<wilberfan>chealer: i've never run into the one-finger-on-the-side thing...
13:22<chealer>mataks: section "Choose a driver version" deals with that
13:22<mataks>Slurb: don't know, i have nvidia geforce 8700
13:22<Gothian>Slurb, I can't browse the network, neither connect to a VNC server as client in the LAN (I have the same IP that I used to)
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13:23<Greyshade>Mataks: If you don't mind the black box binary from the nvidia site, the current ones work fine I think
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13:23<Greyshade>using them on an 8800 here
13:23<Slurb>i'd recommend getting the driver from nvidia
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13:24<Slurb>wine wont work with some games cod4 to be specific with the debian driver
13:24<chealer>Greyshade: nvidia's site has the same issue (and the same drivers)
13:24<mataks>Greyshade: can you help me through it im just new to linux .. newbie here
13:24<Greyshade>I'm here to get some help myself
13:24<Slurb>Gothian: to you have passthrough enabled on your router?
13:25<chealer>wilberfan: really... sometimes you see a vertical bar on the right of touchpads indicating the feature
13:25<Gothian>Slurb, Ammmmmm, I dunno.... but It worked fine before, nothing has changed in the router
13:25<neglesaks>good weekend everyone
13:25<Greyshade>Chealer : Not quite so sure about that, at least on versioning, the ones wanted are 185.18.14
13:26<chealer>wilberfan: but I never heard about two-finger scrolling. I have no idea if Linux even supports that
13:26<Greyshade>didn't check the deb repos if they use the same ones
13:26<Greyshade>I just pulled mine from the nvid site and ran the script, seemed fine really
13:26<chealer>Greyshade: nvidia's site offers several driver versions...just like Debian repositories
13:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 421] by debhelper
13:27<Greyshade>Chealer: yea, you want the *absolute* latest in this case, the older ones seem... odd... for the 8700
13:27<chealer>Greyshade: that is because you were lucky enough to use a GPU supported by the current drivers.
13:27<Slurb>greyshade as i noted i got errors with the debian driver that dont exist when i compile with nvidia's installer
13:27<mataks>Greyshade: how to download nvidia drivers using apt-get? what to type
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13:27<wilberfan>chealer: it "just worked" with my sidux install... was surprised when it didn't with squeeze
13:28<Greyshade>Mataks : You won't be using apt-get , go to www.nvidia.com and download from there directly, drop it somewhere easy to get to and then head into term
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13:28<Greyshade>Slurb : What errors?
13:28<Slurb>Gothian: whats the error you get?
13:28<Slurb>things not working in wine
13:29<chealer>Greyshade: 8700 is actually a relatively old chipset, there's no need to use the latest drivers
13:29<Slurb>chealer there is reason
13:29<Greyshade>Chealer : True, but the latest work for the 8 series and are supported, if they work, they work
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13:29<Slurb>the 185 driver is the least buggy
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13:30<Jmns>hi!
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13:30<Gothian>Slurb, with vncviewer: No route to host ... and browsing the LAN: Unable to mount location: Failed to retrieve share list from server
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13:31<chealer>Greyshade: of course they should work. I'm just telling you there's no need for it, and that getting them from nvidia's site is just worst.
13:31<Slurb>Gothian: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces w/o the password
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13:32<taiyedbrodel>does anyone here use LXDE?
13:32<Slurb>lxde is buggy
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13:32<Greyshade>My problem is fun *headscratch* , compiled alsa's unstable snapshot from source, ran ./configure with appropriate options, yada yada, all went fine, modprobe went fine, streamer backends correctly recognise surround, no problem, test also comes back with 5.1 response, which is fine. BUT. Everything "not" the base system (such as amarok) only outputs as Mono.
13:32<Gothian>Slurb, # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
13:32<Gothian># and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
13:32<Gothian># The loopback network interface
13:32<Gothian>auto lo
13:32<Gothian>iface lo inet loopback
13:32<taiyedbrodel>Slurb my pc has low specs
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13:33<Greyshade>Chealer : Not always, though I did hose my system once with the nvid blackbox drivers
13:34<taiyedbrodel>I'm having 2 issues that are driving me crazy
13:34<taiyedbrodel>first my screen res resets on reboot
13:34<taiyedbrodel>and also my keyboard layout
13:34<chealer>Greyshade: as I already wrote, they're the same drivers.
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13:34<taiyedbrodel>I'm on squeeze+LXDE
13:35<Gothian>Slurb, sorry
13:35<Gothian>Slurb, shoul I add 'wlan0' there?
13:35<Greyshade>Chealer : Orly? I'm looking at the squeeze repo and they're on 17x, you sure about that?
13:35<Slurb>!pastebin
13:35<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
13:36<Greyshade>Chealer : Maybe for sid or experimental, would need to poke those
13:36<ml|>Greyshade: sid has the lastest, if you are on testing not difficult to install
13:36<chealer>Greyshade: they're not necessarily at the same *version*, but they're the same damn "blackbox" driver
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13:38<Greyshade>ml| : Ya. Dunno how many people feel brave enough to futz with sid mind :)
13:38<Gothian>Slurb, http://paste.debian.net/42605
13:38<Hans_Henrik>"install" vs "graphical install", i should use graphical install right? (installing Debian from netinst,
13:38<Hans_Henrik>for the first time)
13:38<Gothian>Slurb, shoul I add 'wlan0' there?
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13:39<ml|>Greyshade: it's not difficult and it's only two packages ;)
13:39<Slurb>ok
13:39<Slurb>add a line without the quotes "auto wlan0"
13:40<Gothian>Slurb, oks....
13:40<Slurb>then just below a line that says "iface wlan0 inet dhcp"
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13:40<Slurb>without quotes
13:41<Slurb>then run sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
13:42<adb>maybe > wireless-essid any ? Slurb
13:42<chealer>Hans_Henrik: "Graphical install" just means a graphical installer/installation process. it doesn't affect the installed system
13:42<Greyshade>ml|: I said that once at 3am "Oh this will be easy" ... I regretted it
13:42<Slurb>adb wasnt required for me
13:42<adb>cool
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13:43<Slurb>as he said he had internet, i dont know how
13:43<Slurb>just no lan
13:43<chealer>Greyshade: there is no need to use sid. besides, if you're not brave enough to use a few packages from sid, you definitely don't want to install from random upstreams
13:43<Hans_Henrik>im in the middle of installing debian, and my USP-mouse doesn't work, should i be worried?
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13:43<Hans_Henrik>USB*
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13:44<Greyshade>chealer: Aye. That said you do have to delve into sid if you want the right version, else you're going upstream, and there is quite a major difference in versions between the lenny/squeeze repo and what's on sid. Probably different bugs too.
13:44<chealer>Hans_Henrik: the installer doesn't use the mouse (unless, I suppose, one uses the graphical install)
13:45<Hans_Henrik>thats just it! i am using the graphical, and it doesn't detect it
13:46<Gothian>Slurb, Holy Wakamole !!!! it worked fine !!!!!
13:46<chealer>Greyshade: there is nothing "wrong" with squeeze's version. both will have bugs anyway.
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13:46<Gothian>Slurb, everything is just fine... thanks a lot for your help ;)
13:46<Greyshade>*eyes ALSA* *burns it*
13:46<Slurb>n/p
13:46<Slurb>i'm glad it worked
13:46<Greyshade>Chealer : Aye, I just find the 18x series worked pretty nicely for the 8 series :)
13:47<Gothian>hip...hip .... horray !!!
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13:48<mataks>i just downloaded a nvidia driver from nvidia site.. and im about to install but it gives me error to stop X first before installing the driver.. how to stop X?
13:48<Slurb>brb
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13:49<kop>mataks : Is there a reason you're not using the debian's non-free repository to install the driver? That's a lot easier.
13:49<mataks>i don't know how to do that.. im just new in linux, if you will take me through it maybe i'll give it a try. :)
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13:49<Gothian>mataks, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
13:50<kop>!non-free
13:50<dpkg>i heard non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
13:50<kop>!non-free sources
13:50<dpkg>i guess non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
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13:50<kop>mataks : Does that help?
13:50<Greyshade>Alsa, getting 5.1 running, anyone using an x-fi titanium and willing to help?
13:50<Greyshade>or is this going to be a lost cause?
13:51<kop>mataks : The worst mistake you can make as a new linux user is to install software from _anywhere_ but your distro's repostories, Debian in this case.
13:51<sarc_3> ha, good advice
13:51<Gothian>I second that
13:51<mataks>now how to dl it using apt?
13:52<Greyshade>if you want the 185's from apt, you'll need to point to sid (Squeeze/lenny use 17x)
13:52<kop>mataks : You followed the instructions about regarding your sources.list file?
13:52<mataks>kop: assuming i did.. what's next?
13:52<adb>mataks: paste sources.list
13:53<Gothian>LOL
13:53<kop>mataks : You type "aptitude update". Then "aptitude install foo" where foo is the package you want installed. You can do "aptitude search blahblah" to search for the package you want.
13:53<Gothian>" assuming i did"
13:53<kop>mataks : Or use synaptic or whatever else you usually do to install debian software.
13:54<kop>mataks : Of course there's still the question of why you want such stuff? What's wrong with your setup that you're trying to solve?
13:55<mataks>can you paste the source list for the driver
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13:55<mataks>kop: i just have a fresh install i don't have a graphic driver yet. im just using vesa .. im stuck in too low resolution
13:55<kop>mataks : As above -- edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the
13:55<kop> two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather
13:55<kop> than just "main"
13:55<Greyshade>you can do what Kop said from synaptic under the "repositories" option
13:56<kop>mataks : Ah. Is X installed?
13:56<kop>mataks : What card do you have?
13:57<mataks>nvidia 7300gt
13:57<mataks>i tot it was 8700 then i checked again.. now confirmed it's 7300GT
13:57<kop>mataks : There's probably a free driver that will do the job, all you need to do is find which driver supports your card. (I have had trouble on upgrade having the right driver and had to tell apt to install the right one.)
13:57<Greyshade>... it gets older every time you look at it?
13:57<Greyshade>I know computer components obsolete fast but damn.
13:58<kop>mataks : Hang on, lemme search.
13:58<mataks>kop: how to get the free driver.. and
13:58<chealer>mataks: vesa is a graphic driver
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13:59<kop>mataks : Note that if you do an "aptitude search video" it lists all the free video drivers. (or anything your sources.list says is available.)
13:59<mataks>ok i'll try
13:59<kop>mataks : So hang on.
14:00<mataks>omg.. many of them i don't know which one. hehe
14:00<Greyshade>Anyone who's alsa kung fu is up to spec? This particular bug is slowly making me grind my teeth together.
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14:00<reeher>noob question.. how would I nest a command within another to get the output from one to be the input to the other.. i.e. cat 'ls somedir' somefile.txt >> anotherfile.txt I want the 'ls somedir' to be read by cat as an input.
14:01<kop>mataks : Yeah. I'm wondering whether xserver-xorg-video-nv supports your card.
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14:01<mataks>can we try that?
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14:01<kop>mataks : Do "aptitude show xserver-xorg-video-nv" and see if those model names ring a bell. (I don't see the number listed.)
14:01<reeher>I did man bash and man cat already, but either I don't understand something or I'm not reading the right thing.
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14:02<kop>reeher : ls somedir | cat -
14:02<kop>reeher : Or : ls somedir | cat /dev/stdin
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14:03<reeher>kop: beaut. Thanks much man.
14:03<mataks>kop: it says that "provides support for NVIDIA Riva, TNT, GeForce, and Quadro cards. " <-- can we try to install this one
14:03<kop>mataks : You can install the package and read the man page that will have more info.
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14:03<kop>mataks : aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-nv
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14:04<chealer>kop: these commands don't make sense
14:04<chealer>reeher: you use a pipeline
14:04<kop>chealer : Yup. But he wanted commands that don't make sense.
14:05<mataks>kop: ok i installed it.. what's next?
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14:05<kop>chealer : It illistruates (sp) how a pipe works.
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14:06<Hans_Henrik>"please choose whether PC card services should be started in order to allow the use of PCMCIA cards" - eh, what??
14:06<racecar56>Hans_Henrik: do you have a laptop
14:06<kop>mataks : I'd log off the grapic console. Do alt-F1 or some such to login on a text console. Become root with "su". dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Or maybe just logging out of the graphic login and logging back in (which restarts X) is enough.
14:06<racecar56>Hans_Henrik: if you do, say yes, if not, no, just to put it simple
14:06<Hans_Henrik>not where im installing debian
14:06<racecar56>Hans_Henrik: say no then
14:06<chealer>kop: I think I'm able to make some sense of what he's asking
14:06<mataks>ok wait i'll try
14:07<Hans_Henrik>racecar56: thanks
14:07<racecar56>Hans_Henrik: if your desktop pc had PCMCIA you'd know (they don't ever come with it if i'm not mistaken)
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14:07<racecar56>Hans_Henrik: yw
14:07<reeher>chealer: I need to cat the output of a listing with a precreated file to form an altogether different file. what about what I'm asking does not make sense, kop?
14:07<racecar56>i have a old computer and my sound card dosen't work, what
14:07<kop>mataks : Ctrl-alt-F7 is the grapic login.
14:07<racecar56>how do i fix it
14:08<racecar56>it's a realtek ALC658 i think
14:08<chealer>kop: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't allow choosing a video driver anymore
14:08<kop>chealer : Does it take the installed one?
14:08<chealer>kop: it doesn't take any
14:09<kop>reeher : I'd : ls somedir > outfile ; cat otherfile >> outfile
14:09<racecar56>yes it is an realtek alc658. i see it on the mobo
14:09<racecar56>how do i fix it?
14:09<chealer>kop: BTW, there is no need to be in a tty to configure X
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14:09<Hans_Henrik>(doing debian install with advanced) i should include ipv6 drivers in "optional components" right?
14:09<kop>chealer : Ok. I'm outdated and lame.
14:09<reeher>kop: chealer: I'm trying to learn bash scripting by creating m3u files for directories of music. Ok, that works also. I just don't want to create any more files than necessary.
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14:10<Hans_Henrik>also, my old pc have 384 MB ram total, should i use that "lowmem install"?
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14:10<adb>no
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14:10<kop>reeher : ( ls somedir ; cat somefile ) | myprogramthateatsinput
14:10<reeher>Anyway, now I have two methods. Thanks much kop and chealer.
14:10<racecar56>*and* i have a realtek RTL8101L and the thing dosen't work unless i use dhclient, knetworkmanager dosen't work >_<
14:11<kop>reeher : The latter makes no files.
14:11<chealer>reeher: I understand what you want to do.
14:11<racecar56>how do i solve these 2 problems? i *know* the sound/ethernet isn't broken
14:12<reeher>kop: cool, that works. Thanks again.
14:12<mataks>kop: yeheyy it worked.. i can choose higher resolution now :)
14:12<mataks>thnx man
14:12<reeher>chealer: Cool, I thought it would be a good way to start learning.
14:12<kop>mataks : chealer says you didn't really need to go to the text console and do the dpkg-reconfigure, but it didn't hurt... Sorry.
14:12<mataks>what's the other way then?
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14:13<chealer>Hans_Henrik: unless you're planning to use IPv6, there's no need
14:13<adb>mataks: X -configure
14:13<kop>mataks : Maybe just restarting X (logging out and back in) would have done it?
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14:13<mataks>kop: it worked anyway. thank you soo much..
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14:14<chealer>!beer kop
14:14*dpkg pours a quart of Delirium Tremens for kop
14:14<kop>mataks : Anytime.
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14:15<mataks>how to set auto caps on when boot?
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14:15<kop>mataks : What is auto caps?
14:15<racecar56>geez, i'm stupid
14:16<racecar56>all i had to do is adduser racecar56 audio and BOOM the sound works
14:16<mataks>sorry, i mean auto numlock on
14:16<chealer>!tell racecar56 about doesn't work
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14:17<racecar56>"what's used to catch an etherbunny" lol
14:17<kop>mataks : Isn't that a bios setting, or am I wrong?
14:17<ml|>mataks: in /etc/kbd/config or /etc/console-tools/config
14:18<chealer>racecar56: network-manager is in development. don't expect it to "work".
14:18<ml|>i use kbd so the path for console-tools might be wrong
14:18<kop>ml| : It's right on each anyway.
14:18<racecar56>chealer: it worked in the past
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14:19<racecar56>chealer: i've been working on this old computer since april of this year
14:19<ml|>kop: ok, that was from memory since i don't use console-tools any more
14:20<kop>ml| : Should I be using one or the other? (I just keep upgrading to new major releases and generally leave things alone when they work.)
14:20<chealer>racecar56: heh, your naiveness is beautiful. if things working in the past would be a good reason to expect them to work now, the world would be a heaven.
14:21<ml|>kop: that's up to you, but console-tools is not being maintained afaik
14:21<kop>ml| : A good reason to switch. Thanks.
14:21<ml|>kop: you only need one
14:22<racecar56>chealer: windoze works perfectly now and before, but network manager is broken now but not before
14:22<ml|>you still need console-data and one other
14:23<racecar56>chealer: i don't care as to why it dosen't work, i could just slam dhclient in the startup...
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14:23<chealer>racecar56: if only you were right. network-manager has always been broken
14:24<ml|>kop: you need console-data and console-common, don't think you need anything else
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14:25<racecar56>"yay" for computers that don't do acpi well
14:26<racecar56>like mine, press power button and it goes boom off, how crazy
14:26<racecar56>not to mention it's easy to hit the power button by mistake
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14:29<Greyshade>Okay. Further investigation, phonon has split my sound into front/linein and surround, both work, but everything defaults to front/linein - giving me mono output, defaulting to surround however ONLY gives me the back speakers, and only if the app in question uses phonon and not alsa, if it uses alsa it drops to mono, yet alsa successfully tests with 5.1 sound. Halp?
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14:33<mataks>how to change the text fonts? is that possible? they're just too small for me
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14:41<mataks>can someone help me install audio?
14:47<Hans_Henrik>will debian be slow under FAT32?
14:47<Hans_Henrik>will debian be noticeably faster with ext3/4 compared to fat32?
14:48<Greyshade>I'd say ext3 would be a nicer option >.>
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14:48<sarc_3>how do i disable Debian hibernation on Lenny 5.0.2? my screen goes to what appears to be the blank hibernation screen after splashy boots
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14:48<mataks>Greyshade: how to install audio driver? i have no sound
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14:53<Greyshade>Mataks : I'm here for the same reason
14:53<Greyshade>Alsa is being teh evil
14:53<Greyshade>Or in my case, it works, but not how I'd expect or want it to work
14:54<Hans_Henrik>on optional modules (expert install debian), should i include "multipath support"?
14:54<Jason1>I'm trying to find better insant messaging protocols. I liek pidgin, but it don't block people right.
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14:54<adb>mataks: run alsaconf , as root
14:55<Hans_Henrik>jason1: well it dont have alot of advanced features (well it got a scripting system that i've never even tried) but if your using firefox, could try the ChatZilla extension :p
14:55<Jason1>no.
14:55<Jason1>I meant yahoo, msn, icq, and all such various thing
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14:55<Jason1>I already have amsn
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14:57<mataks>adb: it says no command
14:57<chealer>mataks: you usually don't...depends on the sound chipset
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14:58<chealer>adb: alsaconf doesn't install drivers
14:58<adb>mataks: install alsa-utils
14:59<sarc_3>how do i keep the screen from going to sleep in Debian 5.0.2?
14:59<mataks>im doing module-assistant for it... is it ok?
14:59<chealer>Hans_Henrik: unless you use multipath, you can keep the default
14:59<chealer>mataks: what are you doing exactly?
15:00<mataks>build alsa
15:01<cichlid>hi; which package provide lzmalib.h please ?
15:01<cichlid>i can't have a clue
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15:01<cichlid>apt-file and apt-cache weren't my friends
15:02<Hans_Henrik>chealer: i got no idea what multipath is (well could guess it means your allowed to have more than 1 folder inside a folder or something like that xD but sounds stupid)
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15:02<Jason1>!tell me about multiple protocols
15:02<Jason1>hm
15:03<chealer>!tell Jason1 about selftell
15:03<cichlid>and alien is failing as well when doing Unpacking of 'liblzmalib-devel-0.0.1-2mdv2009.1.i586.rpm' failed at /usr/share/perl5/Alien/Package/Rpm.pm line 155.
15:03<Jason1>oh. sorry.
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15:04<ml|>sarc_3: http://pastebin.com/d2c8e5202 add that to your xorg.conf and restart X
15:04<sarc_3>any ideas on how i keep the screen from going blank in Debian (i guess it's seeping... no hibernate package installed)
15:04<sarc_3>ok, ty
15:04<ml|>sarc_3: do you have screensaver turn on ?
15:05<sarc_3>how do i know, it is default install form CD1
15:05<ml|>sarc_3: using gnome?
15:05<sarc_3>no
15:05<cichlid>!search lemalib.h
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15:06<cichlid>!search lzmalib.h
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15:06<Jason1>lol.
15:06<Hans_Henrik>setting up debian and the partision, what should "mount point" be?
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15:06<Jason1>ok hm. do there is a lot of different multiple IM protocols?
15:07<sarc_3>m1|: im just using CLI
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15:07<ml|>sarc_3: no X?
15:07<sarc_3>nope
15:07<chealer>cichlid: none
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15:08<cichlid>bloody hell
15:08<hramires>oi
15:08<ml|>sarc_3: try setting it then in /etc/console-tools/config
15:08<cichlid>so how do i pick up this file ?
15:08<chealer>Hans_Henrik: /
15:08<hramires>quen é vc?
15:08<hramires>oioooioi
15:08<chealer>!tell hramires about pt
15:08<hramires>iofgyu
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15:08<rauan>jop
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15:09<sarc_3>mk|: ok, there is a "BLANK_TIME" value that is set to 30
15:09<ml|>yes, that should be default 30 minutes
15:09<cichlid>taht's pain in my ass
15:10<sarc_3>m1|: once splashy load screen goes away it goes straight to blank screen, how do i prevent this?
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15:11<sarc_3>m1|: the same blank screen i get from that timeout value
15:12<ml|>sarc_3: dunno don't use splashy
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15:13<sarc_3>m1|: what is a good alternative for quiet boot screen? boot screen with image?
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15:13<ml|>dunno, i like and use text boot
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15:14<stuckey>I'm trying to print a file but when I do nothing happens. A job shows up in cups as "pending".
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15:14<sarc_3>text wont work, i need something "prettier"
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15:26<Hans_Henrik>installing debian (netinst), now it ask me what kernel i should use.. 2.6-486? 2.6-686? 2.6.26-2-486? 2.6.26-2-686? none? (obliviously not last :p)
15:27<loudergood>what cpu do you have?
15:28<Hans_Henrik>intel pentium 3 (MMX/SSE only)
15:28<Hans_Henrik>x86
15:28<olet>686
15:28<loudergood>2.6-686
15:28<olet>yeah sorry :)
15:28<Hans_Henrik>ok, thanks
15:29<loudergood>it will pull in the latest 686 kernel for your distribution
15:29<Hans_Henrik>ok
15:29<Hans_Henrik>guess thats supose to be good ^^
15:31<Hans_Henrik>oh btw ca. how big is the linux-image-2.6-686 thing?
15:32<Hans_Henrik>hmm nvm, seemed to download fast
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15:33<Hans_Henrik>btw i can change the sudo-password later right?
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15:33<Hans_Henrik>and root-password
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15:35<Hans_Henrik>right?
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15:46<Hans_Henrik>in the "Software Selection" while installing debian, "Web Server" means apache server right?
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15:47<Toxicshell>don't remember but... maybe install a LAMP
15:47<Toxicshell>Apache2 - PHP - Mysql
15:48<Toxicshell>i think... but i'm not sure
15:48<Hans_Henrik>and "File server" means?
15:49<bja>Hans_Henrik: As far as i remember web server installs apache
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15:49<bja>and file server installs nfsd
15:49<Hans_Henrik>hmm should i google that?
15:49<bja>but don't take my word for it, I'm talking just from memory
15:49<Hans_Henrik>(nfsd)
15:51<Hans_Henrik>and i guess i should include "Standard system"
15:51<Hans_Henrik>(whatever that means)
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15:52<stew>Hans_Henrik: standard system includes things you might expect but arent' strictly necessary
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15:52<Hans_Henrik>ok
15:52<stew>Hans_Henrik: web server is: libapache2-mod-python apache2-doc libapache2-mod-php5 libapache2-mod-perl2 apache2-mpm-prefork analog
15:53<patrikf>Hans_Henrik: these are not individual packages, but "tasks". if you're running a web server, then the packages brought in by "Web Server" might come in handy. but in principle, you don't need to select a single task.
15:53<stew>Hans_Henrik: if you have an existing debian install you can see what is in standard with "aptitude search \~pstandard \~prequired \~pimportant"
15:54<stew>Hans_Henrik: and you can always add remove these tasks later with, for instance "tasksel install web-server"
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15:54<patrikf>if you know that you want, say, apache + postgres, then you don't have to worry what the tasks are about but simply install the specific packages yourself
15:54<Hans_Henrik>yeah, going to do that
15:54<reeher>Can someone point out what is wrong with this command? -- for dir in $(ls | sed s/\ /_/); do blah=$(ls); mv ${blah} ${dir}; done -- I keep getting mv: target 'some_dir' is not a directory
15:55<Hans_Henrik>thanks for the info guys :p
15:55<ewgeny>i need correctly write repozitories on debian 5, what i need write lenny? or stable or what?
15:55<stew>ewgeny: /msg dpkg sources.list
15:55<stew>ewgeny: it's not recommended to use "stable" in sources.list
15:56<patrikf>reeher: then some_dir probably isn't a directory.
15:56<ewgeny>what is correctly? lenny, sid, etc?
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15:57<reeher>patrikf: it is not, yet. The point is to move "some dir" to "some_dir"
15:58<patrikf>reeher: uh. but $blah will contain a list of *all* directories.
15:59<patrikf>reeher: try for dir in *; do mv $dir ${dir/ /_}; done
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15:59<patrikf>(and of course, try to understand why that works :-))
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16:00<reeher>patrikf: Heh, hence the whole point of this practice.. to learn bash better.
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16:00<ewgeny>my question is too hard?
16:00<reeher>patrikf: many thanks, will try it out.
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16:02<reeher>patrikf: Heh, same error 'some_dir' is not a directory
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16:04<chealer>ewgeny: what is your native language?
16:04<ewgeny>russian
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16:09<Hideo>reeher: for dir in * ; do if [[ -d $dir ]] ; then mv $dir ${dir/ /_} ; fi ; done
16:09<m0j4h3d>hey guys . i want to ask if i can open my email and chat or i have to install kmess
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16:11<chealer>ewgeny: did you ask #debian-russian ?
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16:19<ColbyIsColby>Hi all.
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16:27<ewgeny><chealer>now i am ask
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16:30<ewgeny><chealer>silence
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16:30<dr|z3d>ewgeny: Maybe he's not there.. ask the channel..
16:31<chealer>dr|z3d: uh... #debian-russian is a channel
16:32<chealer>ewgeny: what are you trying to do? your question doesn't look too hard, it's just hard to understand. "lenny" is fine in your sources.list.
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16:32<dr|z3d>chealer: Sorry, all I saw was ewgeny quoting you, which suggested he was trying to get your attention. As you were ;)
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16:33<ewgeny>what is correctly write repozitories on debian 5, what i need write lenny, sid, etc?
16:33<jrabbit>"stable" works
16:35<chealer>ewgeny: It is quite difficult to understand your question. I suggest to wait on #debian-russian or to ask on http://lists.debian.org/debian-russian/
16:35<ewgeny>thanks
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16:39<lfox>
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16:40<chasing`Sol>hi guys, i am trying to boot lenny installer using PXE, when i boot, the machine obtain an IP and starts to boot, but it hangs when it tries to load the defaults
16:41<chasing`Sol>examining the syslog, the boot process stops at "tftpd: trying to get file: debian/debian-installer/i386/boot-screens/vesamenu.c32"
16:41<chasing`Sol>any advice?
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16:46<chealer>chasing`Sol: is the file present?
16:46<chasing`Sol>yea
16:47<Hans_Henrik>should i install GRUB 2 or GRUB legacy? (bootloader)
16:47<Hans_Henrik>(first time linux user)
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16:49<chasing`Sol>i would suggest GRUB 2
16:49<blarson_>Hans_Henrik: grub2 is still pretty experimental. I recomend standard grub.
16:49<monica>I installed Debian Lenny in my laptop - Toshiba - I am in Belgium - and the keyboard is different than American - so the letters are screwed - how can I make the computer recognized the right keyboard
16:50<Hans_Henrik>at least in setup advanced, it asks you what localized keyboard setup you want during install (tho idk if you have already installed)
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16:50<monica>Hans what is idk ?
16:51<Hans_Henrik>'i dont know'
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16:51<Hans_Henrik>(no phun intended)
16:52<Hans_Henrik>http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=idk :p
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16:52<monica>I installed already Lenny - I want to fix the keyboard issue - I have both KDE and GNOME
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16:58<mitch000001>monica: to change the keyboard-layout in console type (as root) dpkg-reconfigure console-setup and go through the menus
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16:58<Hans_Henrik>i have always used WinXP as the OS, and now im trying to install Debian (linux type) on the pc, and the installer ask me if the "system clock" on my computer is on Coordinated Universal Time or on local time, i got no idea..
16:59<mitch000001>on kde and gnome, there are different ways throuout the system settings
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17:01<mitch000001>Hans_Henrik: The Coordinated Universal Time is also known as UTC, I would choose local time
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17:02<mitch000001>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC
17:02<Hans_Henrik>hmm should have said that bit earlier :p but i can just change that later right?
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17:03<mitch000001>Yeah, I'm shure :D
17:04<mitch000001>should be the package tzdata, just type after setup in console (as root): dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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17:04<chealer>monica: use the keyboard layout panel in kcontrol
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17:05<chealer>chasing`Sol: what do you get before that?
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17:06<monica>thanks chealer
17:06<monica>thanks mitch too :)
17:06<monica>bue
17:06<monica>bye
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17:11<knoppixnooby>whats the first thing i sould learn/study bout using linux
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17:11<chasing`Sol>chealer, nothing, the sequence when i boot is that, it obtains an IP, then the machine tries to boot with its MAC address then tries the default, then hangs
17:11<mantra>knoppixnooby: bash
17:12<knoppixnooby>tks
17:12<mantra>knoppixnooby: i have a great tutorial let me find it
17:12<chealer>chasing`Sol: so it hangs trying to download the first file?
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17:12<chealer>knoppixnooby: learn to install Debian
17:12<mantra>knoppixnooby: http://linuxcommand.org/learning_the_shell.php
17:13<mantra>knoppixnooby: thats where i learned it
17:13<knoppixnooby>tks
17:13<chasing`Sol>i thought it hangs trying to download it, but i tried a different distro and the PXE env just works fine
17:13<mantra>knoppixnooby: have fun :)
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17:17<knoppixnooby>xactly the kindof thing i was looking 4 thanks again
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17:19<Hans_Henrik>i have successfully installed debian and running it now, but it's as slow as XP when i uninstal the screen-drivers :p
17:20<Hans_Henrik>how can i find out what screen drivers i need? and where can i get them?
17:20<mitch000001>what graphic card do you have?
17:21<mitch000001>try typing infobash -v3 (hope it's installed ;)
17:21<Hans_Henrik>k
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17:22<Hans_Henrik>bash: infobash: command not found
17:22<mitch000001>ok, you have to install infobash first ;)
17:22<craigevil>Hans_Henrik: run lspci in a terminal, infobash is a crappy sidux script
17:22<mitch000001>oh sorry, didn't mentio n it
17:22<reeher>Hm... trying to get better at shell scripting/CLIfu and thought it would be a good practice to take my music collection and remove all of the spaces from the directory names. while I have the basic script working, there's a major problem. the "foo=$(ls | sed -e 's/\/\\ /')" line pulls ALL of the files and directories into the variable and the script blows up. Using a 'for' loop, how would I pull one "file" at a time into the loop for modificati
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17:24<mitch000001>reeher you coulf use the find command
17:24<bzed>reeher: use find
17:24<reeher>Find? off to 'man find' thanks for the tip.
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17:25<bzed>reeher: and pipe the output into womething like while read i; do ...
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17:26<bzed>reeher: even better would be to use find ... -print0 |xargs -0 ....- but that's a bit more tricky
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17:28<reeher>what I have currently is: for FOO in $(ls | sed -e 's/\ /\\ /'); do blah=$(ls | sed 's/\ /_/'); mv $foo $blah; done But I'll work on the find and while
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17:28<reeher>err.. s/foo/FOO/g
17:29<reeher>Just trying to make it more readable here. all are lowercase.
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17:29<reeher>anyway.
17:29<Hans_Henrik>mitch000001: http://pastebay.com/32551
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17:31<Hans_Henrik>wups
17:31<Hans_Henrik>craigevil: http://pastebay.com/32551
17:31<mitch000001>Hans_Henrik: you have two options: the official free driver of debian (xserver-xorg-video-nv or a related one) or you get the driver of nvidia itself, simmilar to winxp
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17:33<craigevil>!nvidia
17:33<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
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17:34<Hans_Henrik>thank
17:34<Hans_Henrik>s
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17:54<Hans_Henrik>i tried to install multiboot xp/debian - now xp only goes in bluescreen (even in safemode) xD
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18:02<sdhoeppner>My apt-get update is apparently failing to download all non-us packages. Error tells me to run 'apt-get update' to fix the problem. Seems I'm in a catch 22 loop. Suggestions? I'm still running Etch, IIRC, if that helps.
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18:02<dr|z3d>sdhoeppner: dpkg --configure -a
18:02<dr|z3d>Try that.
18:02<sdhoeppner>this is a dedicated headless smart mail host, so the installed package base is pretty small
18:04<sdhoeppner>dr|z3d hmm, no output. Should there have been?
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18:07<sdhoeppner>dr|z3d: Should running that have produced any screen ouput? I got nothing but a new command line.
18:08<kop>sdhoeppner : Have you tried adding another mirror to sources.list?
18:08<sdhoeppner>dr|z3d: also, all the non-us failures are due to 404 errors, such as Err http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/contrib Packages
18:09<sdhoeppner>kop: no. I've forgotten how to do that.
18:09<sdhoeppner>kop: is it just a file in /etc somewhere?
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18:09<sdhoeppner>kop: that I manually edit? Or is there a util to grab the current list of mirrors?
18:10<sdhoeppner>as you all can tell I don't update this machine very often. Basically only when I need some new package for handling mail or fighting spam.
18:10<reeher>Shouldn't this work: mv 4(ls | grep \ ) $(ls | grep \ | sed -e 's/\ /_/g') ? I get "mv: target 'dir_name' is not a directory". But of course it is not, not until mv it dir, yeah? I can run "mv some\ dir some_dir" with no problem though. Hmm....
18:10<Gothian>apt-get tells me to get rid of Nautilus... mmmmm is this a transition from SID?... last time this happened, I had to use fluxbox for 2 weeks
18:12<Gothian>Fluxbox is cool !!!, but Gnome is better than Doritos
18:12<sdhoeppner>I guess what I should be asking is this simple question: How do I update my mirrors list?
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18:13<boon12345> /msg dpkg lenny
18:13<themill>reeher: put an echo at the front of that and you'll see why. Parsing the output of "ls" is almost never a good plan, btw.
18:13<bremner>!tell sdhoeppner -about mirrors
18:14<boon12345>hi, how can i restore windows-xp mbr without windows cd - also with linux tools ... fdisk maybe?
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18:16<bremner>!fixmbr
18:16<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode> and <dual boot guide>.
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18:16<bremner>hmm, wrong direction. I think there is a tool actually called fixmbr
18:17<bremner>!mbr
18:17<dpkg>rumour has it, mbr is the Master Boot Record, the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. to install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of lilo if it is in the mbr) from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr"; from linux "install-mbr /dev/hda", or ask me about <fixmbr>, or see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbr. See http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-copy-mbr/ for guidelines on copying the MBR
18:18<Gothian>Oh... now that I see this about grub... How do I change to grub 2?
18:18<boon12345>apt-get could find fixmbr :( - this is windows tools
18:19<sdhoeppner>bremner: do I need to install Debian keyring?
18:19<dr|z3d>boon12345: Try supergrub, perhaps.
18:19<boon12345>hm i try got way with grub ;) . thx all
18:21<sdhoeppner>dr|z3d: I've never manually installed Debian keyring. Could that be part of my problem? In addition to the 404s, I get GPG key error running 'apt-get update'
18:21<bremner>sdhoeppner: iirc, you just need debian-archive-keyring
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18:22<chealer>!tell sdhoeppner about bat
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18:25<reeher>themill: I played around with while and find, to no avail. I toyed with for and sed, still nothing, but got the farthest with that. The problem (I think) is that any time I use a subshell to read input "foo=$(ls | sed -e 's/[[:space:]]/\ /g')", $foo is filled with ALL files in the directory. So, there has to be a way to pass an 'end of file name' to the shell to start the "do" and then the test. I thihk "while" may do it, but I have to figure
18:26<reeher>err.. 'how' and 'file' even.. sheesh.
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18:27<themill>reeher: using "find" is almost always better approach to this sort of thing although for this specific task, the "rename" tool will suffice quite nicely
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18:27<reeher>themill: heh, yeah, but this is practice in building up my knowledge of CLI and BASH and simple scripting.
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18:28<reeher>themill: in this case I *want* to reinvent the wheel. ;->
18:28<themill>reeher: if you want to look at find for this, then "/msg dpkg find" and investigate the -exec option.
18:28<sdhoeppner>chealer: http://paste.debian.net/42624/
18:28<reeher>Kk, have to catch train.. thanks for your help everyone!
18:28<themill>reeher: have fun!
18:29<reeher>themill: Cool.. I have that up right now.. LOL.. Peace.
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18:29<themill>!non-us
18:29<dpkg>non-us is, like, where we placed software previously unable to hosted within the USA. Changes in legislation mean that post-<Woody>, there is no non-US, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch, Lenny, Squeeze or Sid. Ask me about <crypto> and <crypto in main>. Old non-US packages (for slink, potato, woody) are at archive.debian.org.
18:30<chealer>sdhoeppner: you need to fix your sources.list. which Debian suite do you use?
18:31<sdhoeppner>chealer: I'm pretty sure it's etch. 4.0 IIRC. Headless server. Minimal install. Originally installed via boot disk 4 years ago.
18:31<chealer>sdhoeppner: sorry, you said etch, but it doesn't look like you run etch
18:31<themill>sdhoeppner: it's probably not etch any more...
18:31<themill>dpkg: tell sdhoeppner about stable sources.list
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18:31<chealer>sdhoeppner: etch was not released 4 years ago, though it was testing
18:31<sdhoeppner>where can I check to find what version I'm on
18:32<chealer>sdhoeppner: what does apt-show-versions output?
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18:32<chealer>!tell sdhoeppner about debian version
18:32<sdhoeppner>original install was woody, and I did at least one dist-upgrade since 4 years ago
18:32<chealer>brave
18:33<sdhoeppner>apt-show-versions "bash: apt-show-versions: command not found"
18:33<chealer>sdhoeppner: yeah... so unless you can install it, see the factoid
18:34<themill>sdhoeppner: can you pastebin the output of "dpkg -l libc6 apt dpkg aptitude" for us?
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18:36<sdhoeppner>themill: http://paste.debian.net/42625/
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18:37<chealer>sdhoeppner: set your sources.list to etch and upgrade
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18:37<themill>sdhoeppner: it appears that your box is still running etch then -- you've managed to not partially upgrade it to lenny.
18:38<sdhoeppner>chealer: how do I set sources.list?
18:38<themill>sdhoeppner: as chealer said, replace "stable" with "etch" in your sources.list and remove all the "non-us" lines then "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade".
18:38<chealer>sdhoeppner: use an editor
18:38<themill>sdhoeppner: edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list.
18:38<sdhoeppner>full path is what I mean
18:38<sdhoeppner>thx
18:38<sdhoeppner>:)
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18:43<kop>I swear I knew how to do this, but my brain is full. How do I find all the packages that have been installed from a particular repository? (I thought it was apt-cache, but I don't see anything in the man page regarding repositories.)
18:43<Slurb>kop: aptitude search
18:43<sdhoeppner>now I just receive the GPG error
18:44<sdhoeppner>but no longer the 404 errors
18:44<sdhoeppner>install the keyring? which one?
18:44<kop>Slurb: Happen to know the way to limit the results to a particular repo?
18:44<chealer>sdhoeppner: debian-archive-keyring
18:44<chealer>kop: you don't
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18:45<sdhoeppner>chealer: apt says it's already installed but will be upgraded. What does that mean? If anything?
18:45<Slurb>aptitude search -t distro
18:45<Slurb>i think
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18:47<chealer>sdhoeppner: it means what it says
18:47<kop>Slurb : Nope. -t is for the release.
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18:47<Slurb>i thinkthats what i thought you wanted
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18:48<kop>Slurb : Nope. Repository.
18:48<Slurb>oh
18:48<sdhoeppner>chealer: should I proceed, and upgrade it?
18:48<chealer>sdhoeppner: yes
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18:48<sdhoeppner>chealer: k. so mine is broken. Got it.
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18:49<sdhoeppner>chealer: would you like to see a pastebin of the output? I ask due to this "no ultimately trusted keys found"
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18:50<sdhoeppner>forgive me, I'm a crypto-nub
18:50<chealer>sdhoeppner: if you have no error, it's OK, you're still a few steps for an up-to-date system anyway
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18:50<chealer>sdhoeppner: did what themill said work?
18:50<sdhoeppner>chealer: i just ran apt-get update and got no errors
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18:51<sdhoeppner>proceed now with apt-get upgrade ??
18:51<chealer>sdhoeppner: yes
18:51<sdhoeppner>here we go, fingers and toes crossed...
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18:53<sdhoeppner>hay, I'm running a custom compiled (by me) 2.6.18. May that cause problems after this upgrade?
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18:55<chealer>!ops
18:55<dpkg>it has been said that ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
18:55<chealer>!ops problem
18:55<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: chealer complains about: problem
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18:55<sdhoeppner>too bad spammers aren't merely confined to the world of SMTP... bastids
18:55<independent>u guys suck at removing flood
18:56<sdhoeppner>chealer: any chance of problems post this upgrade due to my custom 2.6.18 smp kernel?
18:56<chealer>sdhoeppner: no, etch uses Linux 2.6.18
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18:57<sdhoeppner>but im now on etch. isn't this upgrade going to take me to ... i forgot the code name for the one after etch..
18:57<sdhoeppner>does it also use 2.6.18 by default?
18:57<chealer>sdhoeppner: it won't. it will upgrade you to your current sources
18:57<kop>sdhoeppner : So long as you've not got your kernel package on hold you're ok.
18:57<sdhoeppner>k
18:58<sdhoeppner>define "on hold"
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18:59<independent>u guys dont run a proxy monitor and a rbl check?
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18:59<RichiH>thanks for reporting
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18:59<sdhoeppner>oh, oh! Ok, I got ya chealer. It's just going to grab all the packages from the new source locations and upgrade them, but I'll still be on etch, right?
18:59<RichiH>independent: anything we can help you with?
19:00<independent>this serv needs protections
19:00<chealer>sdhoeppner: yes. upgrading to lenny will be the next step
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19:01<RichiH>independent: is there any reason why you joined just before the flooding started?
19:01<sdhoeppner>chealer: yeah, I forgot that distribution upgrade requires a different command line arg than just 'upgrade'
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19:01<sdhoeppner>like I said, I'm pretty bad at keeping this system up to date
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19:02<RichiH>i think that was a very good answer
19:02<DeepDayze>independent sounds like a troll
19:03<sdhoeppner>about the only time I run an update is when I need a package and I'm told I can't get it without updating due to a dependency
19:03<kop>sdhoeppner : Why? Why wouldn't you want security updates regularly? (I automate it.)
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19:03<sdhoeppner>kop: the only port open to the outside world is TCP 25
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19:04<morq>hi, i need a littel help
19:04<kop>sdhoeppner : No local users?
19:04<sdhoeppner>kop: and I'm running Postfix, which is pretty much bulletproof by design
19:04<sdhoeppner>kop: no, it's a dedicated smart mail hub/spam firewall
19:04<morq>i just installed Debian 5.02 an i cant find the settings for package source
19:04<kop>!tell morq about ask
19:05<sdhoeppner>kop: root and daemon users, that's it, and one other account just to get logged in before going su
19:05<adb>dpkg: tell morq -about sources
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19:06<kop>sdhoeppner : Well then, it wouldn't update often then so there's no reason not to do it. :-)
19:06<sdhoeppner>so unless there's a kernel flaw that allows an attack before passing the data through the socket to Postfix, I'm pretty well covered from a security aspect
19:07<sdhoeppner>kop: yeah, good point. But I don't like automation for system updates. If one chunks the system I want to know the instant it happens so I can regress (if possible)
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19:08<kop>sdhoeppner : My script updates everything with security updates only, and does not update anything on hold.
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19:08<sdhoeppner>kop: I just need to get in the habit of running apt-get update once a month, manually
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19:08<themill>dpkg: tell sdhoeppner about cron-apt
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19:09<kop>sdhoeppner : I run it every night, and it tells me if there's something on hold that does not update.
19:09<sdhoeppner>kop: do you have it email you the results?
19:09<themill>notyou: welcome back. Got a debian question this time?
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19:09<kop>sdhoeppner : Yeah. It runs from cron so root gets the results. Dunno, maybe cron-apt is a better solution but I'm happy with mine.
19:10<notyou>i liek windoze
19:10<notyou>thanks
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19:10-exe:#debian-Please install this code into your mIRC remotes: http://www.xroxy.com/xorum/about62913.html
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19:10<cwood>Good evening. Do any of you have any preferred resources for identifying areas for improvement in Debian desktop performance?
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19:14<DeepDayze>what is going on
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19:15<sdhoeppner>ok, looks good after the update. Rebooted the server. Should I go ahead and upgrade to Lenny?
19:15<chealer>+
19:18<DeepDayze>RichiH: best to ban that spammer by address
19:19<chealer>sdhoeppner: apt-get dist-upgrade, install apt-show-versions, and show us the output plus your sources.list
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19:20<sdhoeppner>start with dist-upgrade, or install apt-show-versions and paste output of it and sources.list first, before upgrading?
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19:21<chealer>sdhoeppner: start by the dist-upgrade
19:21<adb>dpkg: tell sdhoeppner etch->lenny
19:22<sdhoeppner>chealer: it's been a while. Should I run it from the console, or is running remote via ssh ok?
19:22<adb>dpkg: tell sdhoeppner -about etch->lenny
19:22<chealer>sdhoeppner: as you want
19:22<themill>sdhoeppner: as long as you're not using something like networkmanager, ssh is fine. (You might want to run it inside screen anyway)
19:23<sdhoeppner>chealer: What I'm asking is, will services restart during the upgrade and kill my remote session, preventing me from finishing the config screens?
19:23<adb>no
19:23<sdhoeppner>I think I actually had that happen once, long ago, in a galaxy ...
19:24<chealer>sdhoeppner: no
19:24<sdhoeppner>k
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19:26<sdhoeppner>So, to do a dist upgrade I need to change my sources.list again and replace 'etch' with 'lenny'?
19:27<adb>btw , bot `etch->lenny` say between others , "aptitude install aptitude" it's correct ?
19:27<sdhoeppner>then run install the new version of apt, then finally run apt dist-upgrade?
19:27<themill>sdhoeppner: you really should read the release notes for etch.
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19:28<sdhoeppner>etch or lenny?
19:28<themill>err... lenny!
19:28<sdhoeppner>k
19:28<chealer>adb: yes
19:28<themill>adb: yes. The dependency resolution is better again and that drags in the newer libc6 amongst other things which helps with the entire process
19:29<chealer>sdhoeppner: no, that's just to make sure that you're running an up-to-date etch. you real dist-upgrade will come later
19:29<adb>ok , thanks chealer & themill ;)
19:29<themill>adb: it also installs the new dpkg straight away which means that things like "triggers" that are new in lenny are available
19:30<adb>cool , thanks
19:30<sdhoeppner>chealer: according to dpkg I update sources.list from etch to lenny, then installed the new aptitude, then do apt dist-upgrade. Does that not cover the process?
19:31<chealer>sdhoeppner: it does. I'm just making sure you're ready for that
19:32<sdhoeppner>but i still need to do apt dist-upgrade once with my sources pointing to etch, to make sure I'm fully up to date before the dist-upgrade to lenny, correct?
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19:32<chealer>sdhoeppner: it's preferable, yes
19:33<sdhoeppner>i.e. just changing sources to etch and doing apt-get update may not have fully brought me up to where I need to be?
19:33<chealer>sdhoeppner: yes. (actually, apt-get update doesn't upgrade any package)
19:33<sdhoeppner>sry, meant to say 'apt-get upgrade' silly me
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19:35<adb>[01:22:13] <adb> dpkg: tell sdhoeppner -about etch->lenny
19:36<sdhoeppner>what's the distribution upgrade command for etch apt? lenny apt is apparently different. "apt dist-upgrade" isn't working. I get a command not found err.
19:36<chealer>sdhoeppner: apt-get dist-upgrade
19:37<adb>and aptitude safe-upgrade and full-upgrade are preferred to apt-get dist-upgrade , i thought
19:37<sdhoeppner>is it the same command for lenny? if so, the docs in dpkg here are wrong...
19:37<themill>dpkg, etch->lenny
19:37<dpkg>Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>.
19:38<chealer>sdhoeppner: yes. the command is not unique, though
19:38<themill>there's nothing wrong with that at all.
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19:40<sdhoeppner>is it because I abbreviated apt? "apt dist-upgrade" doesn't work on my system. Look at what dpkg says above: "aptitude dist-upgrade" Does that work on Lenny? Or does is need "aptitude-get dist-upgrade"?
19:40<chealer>sdhoeppner: yes. yes. no
19:41<themill>sdhoeppner: "apt dist-upgrade" and "aptitude-get dist-upgrade" have never been commands to use.
19:41<sdhoeppner>I was of the understanding, that "apt" and "aptitude" were fully exchangeable, functionally equivalent. No?
19:42<chealer>sdhoeppner: no
19:42<sdhoeppner>ouch.
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19:42<themill>sdhoeppner: there is no command "apt" for package management
19:44<sdhoeppner>themill: I got ya. - and function word enable the package management. I'll have to read up on aptitude. I guess it glues all those previous dash '-' commands into one using args?
19:44<sdhoeppner>i.e. instead of apt-get apt-cache etc, you use aptitude get, aptitude search, etc?
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19:45<themill>sdhoeppner: aptitude replaces apt-get is syntactically identical to apt-get for handling binary packages but has a better dependency resolver. You never used "apt-get get" so you wouldn't use "aptitude get".
19:45<chealer>sdhoeppner: no. aptitude is more or less a replacement for apt-get. APT and its front-ends is quite a mess.
19:47<sdhoeppner>chealer: so can one search the cache with aptitude, or do you still need to use apt-cache search for that?
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19:48<adb>sdhoeppner: aptitude --help ; apt-get --help
19:48<themill>sdhoeppner: /msg dpkg why aptitude ; /msg dpkg aptitude docs
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19:54<chealer>sdhoeppner: I don't know aptitude in detail
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19:56<sdhoeppner>I could use some advice here before possibly chunking my install: http://paste.debian.net/42630/
19:57<sdhoeppner>I'm following the dpkg etch->lenny docs verbatim. Hit the above snag during 'aptitude install aptitude' after changing sources.list to lenny.
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19:58<sdhoeppner>Do I need to resolve those 3 broken packages before proceeding any further? If so, how do I go about fixing them? I have no clue why they'd be broken...
19:59<sdhoeppner>Also, that line about removing the linux-kernel-headers is worrisome....
20:02<gnufan>teach myself regex time -- egrep expression to match all occurrences of "foo" which are preceeded by start of line, or space, and terminated with space or end of line. i.e. ^foo foo$ should match twice but "^afoo foob$ should not match. I can't seem to get it to work in the "foo foo" space, as I always eat the space between them.
20:04<adb>gnufan: ask #regex on irc.freenode.net
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20:15<sdhoeppner>What issues will I run into upgrading from etch+kernel 2.6.18 to lenny? Will I need to install a 2.6.26 kernel before upgrading to lenny? Will I be forced to pick a 2.6.26 kernel during the dist upgrade process? Can I run my 2.6.18 kernel for a while after the dist upgrade to lenny, and build a new 2.6.26 at my leisure?
20:16<chealer>sdhoeppner: yes. could you please what I told you?
20:16<sdhoeppner>what was that?
20:16<chealer>sdhoeppner: apt-get dist-upgrade, install apt-show-versions, and show us the output plus your sources.list
20:17<sdhoeppner>see above pastebin link please. Need answers to that before I can continue, and then answer your questions...
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20:17<chealer>that was before you started trying to upgrade to lenny, though
20:17<sdhoeppner>no that's new
20:17<chealer>sdhoeppner: I wrote that before you started trying to upgrade to lenny, though
20:17<sdhoeppner>it's from step #2 upgrading to lenny
20:18<sdhoeppner>One of us is lost in the timeline. Is it me?
20:18<chealer>sdhoeppner: your paste is irrelevant. what I told was to be done before upgrading to lenny
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20:19<sdhoeppner>ok, I'm lost. What was the last thing you asked of me?
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20:20<chealer>sdhoeppner: I asked you to "apt-get dist-upgrade, install apt-show-versions, and show us the output plus your sources.list". the last thing is to show the output of apt-show-versions and to paste your sources.list
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20:24<chealer>sdhoeppner: you can run your 2.6.18 kernel for a while after the dist upgrade to lenny
20:25<sdhoeppner>chealer: my apologies. I thought those questions became moot after I was able to get past those initial apt issues.
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20:26<sdhoeppner>chealer: do you still want to see that stuff?
20:26<chealer>sdhoeppner: yes
20:26<sdhoeppner>chealer: i can revert sources.list back and install apt-show-versions
20:26<chealer>sdhoeppner: yes
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20:30<sdhoeppner>chealer: http://paste.debian.net/42633/
20:31<sdhoeppner>sry, took a little bit.
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20:33<chealer>sdhoeppner: not bad. does # apt-get check; report anything?
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20:34<sdhoeppner>chealer: just says "Building dependency tree... Done"
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20:36<gnufan>sdhoeppner: I think issues with kernel depend on precise hardware. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#nownownow in particular 4.8.1 helped for one of my upgrades to lenny
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20:37<chealer>sdhoeppner: what does apt-get install; output?
20:38<sdhoeppner>gnufan: it's an old Abit BP-6 dual Celeron board, Intel BX 440, one IDE disk and an Intel 8255X family PCI NIC. That's it. That's what I compile my custom kernels for, stripping out all unneccessary junk.
20:38<sdhoeppner>chealer: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
20:39<lili_>I just wonder when I run # less crimson.jar.It show a page text ,But crimson.jar should not be text type ??should it??
20:39<chealer>sdhoeppner: sorry, # apt-get --fix-broken install
20:40<sdhoeppner>gnufan: My concern centers around libraries having a kernel version, or more correctly, a kernel header version dependency
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20:40<sdhoeppner>chealer: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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20:40<chealer>sdhoeppner: OK, then go with the upgrade to lenny
20:41<gnufan>sdhoeppner: I've had lenny with all sorts of 2.6 kernels floating around, so I think it should just works for the upgrade step, but you wouldn't want to live with an etch kernel. I had to upgrade 2.4 kernels before upgrading.
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20:41<sdhoeppner>chealer: before I do so, I need this analyzed and answered: http://paste.debian.net/42630/
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20:43<mantra>Why can I only ssh into my other computer on the LAN by IP and not host?
20:43<sdhoeppner>gunfan: I'm merely concerned with the lenny libraries working with the 2..18 kernel until I can get a new 2.6.26 kernel built. I won't take long, but i don't want the machine to be non-functional while I'm building the new kernel. Or, worse, it's broken to the extent I wouldn't be able to download the 2.6.26 kernel source...
20:43<mantra>and presumably NFS also, since NFS isnt working for me
20:44<sdhoeppner>mantra: dns issues
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20:44<mantra>sdhoeppner: I dont have a DNS on my LAN
20:44<mantra>sdhoeppner: so what issues could those be?
20:44<sdhoeppner>mantra: if you can't add those systems into your dns server, you'll need to create host file entries on each machine for the others
20:45<mantra>sdhoeppner: would a router act as a DNS server?
20:46<sdhoeppner>mantra: very simple networking principles here: To find a host by name, a table, flat file, or database must be queried in order to find the hostname and get the corresponding IP address.
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20:47<mantra>sdhoeppner: so there is no way for me to resolve by hostname without a DNS server? I am on DHCP so by IP is impractible
20:47<mantra>impactical*
20:47<sdhoeppner>mantra: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_file
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20:48<sdhoeppner>mantra: also, if you've got a few PCs in your house/dorm room/etc, and they're all getting their IP address via DHCP from your Linsys/Netgear home router box, and you want to be able to do *ANYTHING* by hostname, you're going to need to assign IP addresses statically.
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20:49<mantra>sdhoeppner: ok that I will do then
20:49<mantra>sdhoeppner: will I have to add every new computer that needs to connect manually?
20:50<sdhoeppner>mantra: good luck. It shouldn't really be hard. Just make sure to exclude the static range you decide upon from the DHCP range of the router.
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20:50<sdhoeppner>mantra: every time you add a computer, you'll need to add its IP and hostname to the host files of all the other machines.
20:50<mantra>sdhoeppner: oh ok i didnt know I could mix DHCP and assigned IPs
20:51<sdhoeppner>mantra: if you were using all Winders computers you could enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP and the machines would learn each others names. But I'm guessing you're a *nix cat, not Winders. ;)
20:51<chealer>sdhoeppner: if that doesn't bother you, start by uninstalling libc6-dev and reinstalling. temporarily uninstalling packages can help in big upgrades.
20:51<mantra>sdhoeppner: of course :)
20:51<sdhoeppner>mantra: you can, depending on the router. If it lets you exclude a part of the range, you can mix.
20:51<chealer>sdhoeppner: if that doesn't bother you, start by uninstalling libc6-dev and retrying. temporarily uninstalling packages can help in big upgrades.
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20:53<sdhoeppner>chealer: what depends on libc6-dev? Is that a core libracy?
20:53<sdhoeppner>library
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20:54<sdhoeppner>mantra: one more thing. If you assign all the addresses manually on all your LAN equipment (PCs, print servers, etc), you can then ignore completely the DHCP settings on the router. No device will ever ask for a lease. See?
20:55<sdhoeppner>chealer: and what about that kernel-header warning? that's ominous..
20:56<mantra>sdhoeppner: yeah but i dont want to do that lol
20:56<mantra>sdhoeppner: it lets me exclude ranges for dhcp but i cant find where to assign static ips
20:56<sdhoeppner>mantra: lemme guess.... wireless laptop and a wired server or two?
20:56<mantra>yes
20:57<mantra>brb
20:57<chealer>sdhoeppner: apt-cache rdepends libc6-dev will show you (plus some other packages). it's just a development library
20:57<mischief>anyone have any idea why i can't log into MySQL as user root from localhost, even with a correct password?
20:57<mantra>gotta eat
20:57<sdhoeppner>mantra: you don't assign them in the router
20:57<sdhoeppner>mantra: you assign them on the computers
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20:57<sdhoeppner>mantra: you exclude the range, in the router config, that the static hosts will be using. Get it?
20:58<mischief>sdhoeppner, you can reserve IPs for machines with certain dhcp daemons
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20:58<sdhoeppner>mischief: what did I say?
20:58<mischief><sdhoeppner> mantra: you assign them on the computers
20:59<sdhoeppner>mischief: maybe I misunderstand what you're getting at
20:59<gnufan>mischief: login using "mysql" command, or using a different database client.
20:59<mischief>gnufan, that is what i am using. :(
21:00<sdhoeppner>mischief: are you talking about sticky statics?
21:00<mischief>um, i suppose
21:00<gnufan>mischief: anything change that you know off - like mYSql upgrades?
21:00<guille>hola, como estan? someone knows of such a program to decode .*act to mp3
21:00<sdhoeppner>mischief: He could sure do that. I don't know what router he has.
21:01<mischief>gnufan, i literally just installed it
21:01<sdhoeppner>mischief: if it supports that's he's good to go. However, if he's doing NFS, I'd recommend staying away from a sticky static assigned by a consumer broadband piece of gear.
21:01<mischief>gnufan, i set the password via dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0
21:02<mischief>and i used the exact same password when logging in via mysql
21:02<mischief>sdhoeppner, it's fairly easy to do with dnsmasq :)
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21:03<sdhoeppner>chealer: please talk about this: Remove the following packages: linux-kernel-headers
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21:03<gnufan>mischief: tried with a blank password?
21:04<sdhoeppner>mischief: you walk him through installing and configuring BIND for his 3 host LAN then... ;)
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21:04<mischief># mysql -u root
21:04<mischief>ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
21:04<mischief>:\
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21:04<gnufan>mischief: mysql -u root -p and just hit return
21:05<mischief>same message as above, it considers it as using no password
21:05<mantra>ok so how do i assign ips
21:05<mantra>do i do it on the router config?
21:05<chealer>sdhoeppner: that's not ominous. the linux-kernel-headers package is gone in lenny
21:06<gnufan>mischief: I assume that the using password changed at least.
21:06<sdhoeppner>I thought that was the map that libraries use to talk to the kernel
21:06<mischief>no
21:06<sdhoeppner>or something like that
21:06<mischief>gnufan, one second
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21:07<mischief>gnufan, http://paste.debian.net/42634/
21:07<sdhoeppner>oh wait, that's what's used at kernel compile/build time to allow the libraries to talk with a given kernel. Close?
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21:08<gnufan>mischief: did you have an old v4 database, or a clean install?
21:08<mischief>i just installed it
21:08<mantra>ok so i get my router to assign ips to certain mac adresses right?
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21:09<sdhoeppner>mantra: is your router on a UPS? Are your servers?
21:09<mantra>sdhoeppner: my server is
21:10<chealer>sdhoeppner: no
21:10<sdhoeppner>mantra: so what happens after you tweak all this IP addressing functionality into that router, then the power goes out.
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21:11<mantra>sdhoeppner: wont it save it to nonvolitile memory once i update the config?
21:11<sdhoeppner>mantra: or, god forbid, lightenting, a storm, whatever, kills the router. Now your PCs may not work until you get a replacement. How long might that take?
21:11<mantra>sdhoeppner: i have an extra router
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21:12<sdhoeppner>mantra: pre-program it then with identical settings, so it's ready to be plugged in soon after the current one goes dead.
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21:12<gnufan>mischief: just trying it out, although you could try the password reset in the Debian mysql-server readme file is there is nothing in the logs.
21:12<mantra>sdhoeppner: this is a home net, downtime isnt an issue
21:13<mischief>ok
21:13<sdhoeppner>mantra: the point I'm making is: never trust core network functionality to a piece of consumer gear that cost $4 to make in China and retails for $39.95 in the US.
21:13<mantra>sdhoeppner: if i was running a buisness network it would be alarming that i dont know much basic networking
21:13<mantra>sdhoeppner: haha and what routers arent like that?
21:13<mantra>sdhoeppner: i dont have much choice
21:14<sdhoeppner>mantra: home or business. Doesn't matter. You want downtime and reconfiguration hassles at home?
21:14<mantra>sdhoeppner: nope
21:14<mantra>sdhoeppner: i do run debian dont I? ;P
21:14<sdhoeppner>mantra: Yes, YOU DO! Use host files. It's simple, reliable, and no troubleshooting involved when your router goes down.
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21:14<mantra>sdhoeppner: i plan to, once i get static ips running
21:15<mantra>sdhoeppner: you need static ips for the hosts file to work right?
21:15<gnufan>mischief: did it not set a password during installation (rather than reconfigure) ?
21:15<mantra>sdhoeppner: or else my ip will change due to dhcp
21:15<sdhoeppner>mantra: good. Then why even bother with the router config and MAC addresses? If you use static IPs on your hosts, and host files, the router DHCP server is now on an island.
21:15<mischief>gnufan, i did, but i think i forgot it. i reset it anyways, via dpkg-reconfigure
21:16<mantra>sdhoeppner: how do i do that?
21:16<mantra>sdhoeppner: just connect the host name to the ip on the host, and my linksys router will play ball?
21:16<sdhoeppner>mantra: yes. assigned the IP and edit the host file
21:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 394] by debhelper
21:17<mischief>grrr
21:17<mantra>sdhoeppner: so could you give me an example of an entry in the hosts file for a computer?
21:17<mischief>gnufan, i'm going to try reinstalling the package
21:17<sdhoeppner>mantra: http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm
21:17<gnufan>mischief: Okay done that, I only get that error when I get the password wrong
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21:18<gnufan>mischief: did you try reconfigure again and typing more carefully ?!
21:18<adb>sdhoeppner: change sources.list from deb ftp:// to deb *http:// , much uptodate
21:18<sdhoeppner>mantra: I already gave you an example in the previous link I posted
21:18<mischief>gnufan, i set the password to a one-character password. it still didn't work. :/
21:19<mantra>sdhoeppner: ok thanks, i always thought you assigned ips on the router
21:19<sdhoeppner>adb: what's wrong with the FTP mirrors?
21:19<sdhoeppner>mantra: no, you assign the IP on the computer
21:19<gnufan>mischief: this is lenny?
21:19<mischief>yes
21:19<mantra>sdhoeppner: ok thanks so much for clearing that up
21:19<sdhoeppner>mantra: in the static world, that is.
21:19<sdhoeppner>NP
21:21<sdhoeppner>I don't use a GUI so I can't tell you how to change the IP in desktop Debian. You can figure it out with the docs in those links. Those docs should also cover changing the IP on your server, assuming it's not running a GUI.
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21:22<gnufan>mischief: well with my desktop lenny at work it all worked a dream, including reconfigure with a new password, and reconfigure with another 1 character password. Is the lenny install as new as the mysql install?
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21:23<mischief>gnufan, yea
21:24<gnufan>grep mysql /var/log/syslog not showing anything interesting?
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21:24<mantra>should i dpkg-reconfigure something for static ip? that would seem a more elegant solution.
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21:25<adb>/etc/init.d/networking start
21:25<gnufan>Sleep time here...
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21:26<mischief>gnu-tnt, what would i look for?
21:28<gnu-tnt>i need help for de video card intel! i'm brazilian! sorry for the english
21:28<gnu-tnt>;)
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21:28<adb>!br
21:28<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
21:29<chealer>mantra: no
21:29<mantra>ok
21:29<mischief>sigh
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21:29<gnu-tnt>but in this channel the people can't help! :(
21:29<sobseawa>www.my.yahoo.com
21:30<gnu-tnt>the channel brazilian!
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21:30<sobseawa>p
21:31<gnu-tnt>i have video card intel 4500MHD, but can't use the drive in debian
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21:31<Hideo>elaborate
21:32<sdhoeppner>Ok, looks like I'll have to manually install rsyslog manually before upgrading, which is no big deal.
21:32<Hideo>!does not work
21:32<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
21:32<sdhoeppner>However, it says I may encounter boot problems going from Etch to Lenny due to the kernel difference. That's alarming. This is a production machine.
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21:33<sdhoeppner>chealer: should I go ahead and download and build a 2.6.26 kernel before upgrading?
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21:34<chealer>sdhoeppner: no, it seems better to upgrade Linux at the end
21:34<sdhoeppner>chealer: what of the "no boot" warning in the release notes?
21:34<chealer>sdhoeppner: sorry, what/where do you mean?
21:35<sdhoeppner>chealer: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#kernel-changes section 2.4
21:37<chealer>sdhoeppner: well, upgrading Linux may cause problems indeed, I'm not sure what you're asking
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21:37<sdhoeppner>chealer: I'm asking for the best procedural order of package and kernel upgrades to allow a seamless upgrade
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21:38<chealer>sdhoeppner: I see no reason to derive from the release notes in that regard
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21:40<sdhoeppner>I'm going to hold off upgrading to Lenny until I read all of the release notes
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21:44<theb>grr iwlwifi is being rough, i followed the guide http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi exactly and the best i got was my wifi light to turn on
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21:46<kmonk>word
21:46<theb>up
21:46<lili_>Is there any software which I can use to fetch the data of the memory under Debian??/
21:46<sdhoeppner>chealer: thx for all the help and patience. You got me to the point that I'm fully ready for the next upgrade step, and I'd not be here without your help.
21:46<lili_>or show the data map of the memory...??
21:47<sdhoeppner>thanks to everyone who helped me get my update system straightened out
21:47<chealer>sdhoeppner: no problem
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21:47<kmonk>like a memory debugger?
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21:49<kmonk>apt-cache search memory debug reveals oomalloo, duma, kmtrace if you're in kde, and the kernel debugger, kernel-patch-kdb
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21:50<cockroach>hey. i'm trying to get python-yaml running on etch (i know, i know) and it seems i need all kinds of crazy python packages to build that. the problem i have now is that python-all (built from lenny sources) depends on python 2.4.4-4, etch only has -3.something - does anyone know whether i risk major havoc if i change that dependency?
21:50<chealer>lili_: if you don't mind, what are you trying to do?
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21:53<lili_>chealer I want to gain the audio data in the memory...which was playing in the firefox..but can`t be downloaded,,and i am sure it`s in my memory ..
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21:54<victorwpbastos>olá pessoas
21:54*chealer coughs
21:54<chealer>lili_: good luck
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21:55<gnu-tnt>e ai victorwpbastos
21:55<victorwpbastos>td bem gnu-tnt?
21:55<digle>lili_: hey, i'm working on that right now, what a coincidence
21:55<gnu-tnt>tudo certo kra!
21:55<victorwpbastos>primeira vez que estou acessando o irc.
21:55<gnu-tnt>ehheheh, seja bem vindo entao! ;)
21:55<victorwpbastos>é bom fazer amizades com pessoas que curtem linux tb...
21:56<lili_>chealer digle,,i do not know the format of the audio..i want to fetch it and format it to mp3, and store it on my disk...
21:56<lili_>digle ,,that`s my target.store it into my harddisk..
21:56<gnu-tnt>eh sim kra!
21:56<digle>lili_: if you ptrace a process, you can read its memory in /proc/<pid>/mem, and the page layout is in /proc/<pid>/maps, from there, good luck
21:57<chealer>!br
21:57<gnu-tnt>vc jah mexe com linux ha quanto tempo?
21:57<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
21:57<victorwpbastos>cara, to muito feliz pq depois de algum tempo usando ubuntu resolvi baixar o lenny e to adorando essa distro.
21:57<victorwpbastos>mexo com linux há pouco tempo, um ano acho...
21:58<digle>lili_: you might have better luck with live http or tcpdump, if the file gets downloaded and not over https/rtmpe
21:58<lili_>digle I don`t think the data stores there..it`s just 704kb,and the audio is 70 minutes long...
21:58<chealer>lili_: I understand. you should probably use a Firefox extension, though I never did that
21:58<gnu-tnt>kra, entra no debian-br
21:58<victorwpbastos>como faço?
21:58<gnu-tnt>pra conversarmos de boa
21:59<digle>lili_: chealer: yeah, there seem to be a lot of flash video downloaders
21:59<gnu-tnt>digita isso ai /j #debian-br
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22:01<mischief>can anyone tell me the proper permissions of /tmp/? i have "drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4.0K Jul 25 01:57 tmp"
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22:03<lili_>digle chealer,,yes ,that`s a direction.
22:03<digle>lili_: 70 minutes!?! have you checked firefox's Cahce?
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22:03<kmonk>i typically use netvideo hunter fro ripping flv
22:03<digle>*cache
22:03<lili_>digle,,it`s just about sound,,no video.
22:04<digle>lili_: 70 minutes is still a lot. look in the Cache
22:05<Hideo>although this is way off topic, check out rtmpdump also
22:06<lili_>digle I found a file in /tmp named as FlashNCR1ic ,34mb
22:08<Hideo>lili_: there's your audio
22:08<Hideo>lili_: file /tmp/FlashNCR1ic
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22:09<digle>lili_: run what Hideo said
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22:10<lili_>Hideo what kind format it is? how to format it into MP3
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22:11<digle>lili_: run "file /tmp/FlashNCR1ic"
22:11<digle>lili_: it will tell you what kind of file it is
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22:12<Hideo>lili_: most likely you'll need mplayer/mencoder to convert it
22:12<lili_>ISO media MPEG v4 System..version 2
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22:12<lili_>digle,,Hideo ,,cool ,thanks..
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22:19<uninverted>Is there any way to disable those single-character underlines in menus?
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22:37<Jason1>is it is still possible to install firefox plugin in iceweasel?
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22:38<craigevil>what firefox plugin? you mean the default plugin?
22:38<Jason1>yeah anything
22:38<Jason1>aadblock plus plugin, etc.
22:38<craigevil>extensions?
22:38<craigevil>they all work the same
22:38<digle>icweasel is just a rebranding, everything still works
22:39<digle>except other programs that expect firefox to be called firefox
22:39<craigevil>google toolbar you need to change the user.agent in about:config but any others are fine
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22:41<Jason1>hm.
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22:43<Jason1>interesting.
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22:48<mantra>why isnt there something like ARP but instead of MACS it gives hostnames?
22:49<olasd>maybe because there is an arp table in kernel, but no hostname table
22:49<Jason1>hm
22:50<Jason1>it won't install adblock plus in my iceweasel?
22:50<olasd>(and here, arp resolves hostnames)
22:50<olasd>(well, the arp command)
22:50<olasd>Jason1: what is "it" ?
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22:52<Jason1>ok hm... iceweasel
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22:52<Jason1>I am in mozilla website
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22:52<Jason1>and there is no add in
22:52<Jason1>only say upgrade to firefox
22:54<mantra>Jason1: you have to install an older version
22:54<mantra>Jason1: of adblock
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22:54<Jason1>it's alright
22:54<mantra>Jason1: there is an option to do so on the page somewhere
22:55<Jason1>I clicked in the old version
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22:55<Jason1>but I mostly see is:
22:55<Jason1>Works with:
22:55<Jason1> * Firefox: 3.0.9 – 3.6a1pre Minimal requirements: Firefox 3.0.9, Thunderbird 3.0 Beta 3, SeaMonkey 2.0 Beta 1, Songbird 1.2, Prism 1.0 Beta 1
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22:57<mantra>Jason1: look for one that works with your version
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22:57<mantra>Jason1: i think its the second most recent
22:57<Jason1>yes
22:58<Jason1>1.1?
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23:00<Jason1>I don't wanna to use the wrong version, ok?
23:00<Jason1>since i'm using stable Debian Lenny.
23:01<digle>use adblock plus
23:01<Jason1>yes.
23:01<Jason1>which version, silly?
23:02<digle>i have 1.0.2
23:02<digle>lenny
23:02<Jason1>ok then
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23:03<Jason1>thanks
23:03<Jason1>it works
23:03<pandora01>thanks
23:03<pandora01>it works
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23:05<Jason1>I'll stay in case I find something mysterious in my Iceweasel.
23:05<Jason1>I know iceweasel is rebranded of Mozilla firefox
23:06<Jason1>just asking in case
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23:08<Jason1>oh blah it blocks all of my site's ads
23:08<Jason1>hm...
23:08<Jason1>even popups.
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23:09<lone_wolf>I just finished installing Debian Lenny, booted it up, and got an error on my screen saying "Input Signal Out Of Range"
23:10<lone_wolf>Basically, no graphics
23:11<lone_wolf>Tried 'xrandr -s <resolution> but I just get "Can't open display"
23:11<Jason1>aha I know you meant
23:11<Jason1>I have that problem but it was other kind of distro
23:12<Jason1>input out of range
23:12<Jason1>I have the same problem
23:12<lone_wolf>Is there an easy fix, or do I have to scrap Debian again?
23:12<Jason1>good question, I was asking the same
23:12<lone_wolf>Sucks
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23:13<Jason1>laptop or desktop?
23:13<lone_wolf>Desktop, using a Dell FPD1730 monitor.
23:13<Jason1>ah.
23:13<mantra>how do i set up a static ip with wireless?
23:14<Jason1>mine was a laptop
23:14<mantra>will eth0 be treated the same as wlan0?
23:14<sney>yep mantra, you can do ifconfig the same way with a wireless interface
23:15<mantra>how would i do that
23:15<mantra>i dont know how to set a static ip in the first place
23:15<Jason1>I can help you.
23:15<Jason1>ok open terminal
23:15<mantra>k
23:15<Jason1>type ifconfig and tell me what you see?
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23:16<Jason1>if it says permission error
23:16<Jason1>then log in as root liek this sudo ifconfig
23:16<mantra>only wlan0 has inet addr
23:16<Jason1>ok
23:16<Jason1>what else?
23:16<lone_wolf>I'm gonna try another monitor
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23:16<Jason1>lo?
23:17<mantra>i see eth0, eth0:avahi, lo, wlan0, wmaster0-00
23:17<Jason1>wlan0?
23:17<Jason1>hm.
23:17<Jason1>good
23:17<Jason1>ok let me try remembering.
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23:17<Jason1>static ip address right?
23:18<mantra>yes
23:18<Jason1>I think I understand, you want ot manually configure the static ip address configuration right?
23:18<Jason1>aha
23:18<mantra>the network already has dhcp but i need a few static ips
23:18<Jason1>ok
23:18<mantra>for my server
23:18<Jason1>I can help you
23:18<Jason1>ok open Network in the menu
23:18<kmonk>ceni's a good 1
23:19<Jason1>System> admistration > network
23:19<mantra>im in xfce
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23:19<Jason1>you sure?
23:19<mantra>actually let me ssh into my server and tell you its ifconfig
23:19<Jason1>ok
23:20<mantra>eth0 lo wlan0 wmaster0
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23:20<mantra>wlan0 has the ip
23:20<mantra>lo is localhost
23:20<kmonk>hal auto configures fstab doesnt it
23:20<Jason1>no
23:20<Jason1>loopback
23:20<kmonk>trying to do without it
23:20<Jason1>lo is loopback
23:20<mantra>whats that
23:21<Jason1>long story.
23:21<mantra>ok
23:21<Jason1>I knowl inux so long.
23:21<mantra>networking hurts my brain
23:21<Jason1>I have linux for idiots book lol
23:21<mantra>lol
23:21<kmonk>hey it's not a bad book
23:21<Jason1>same here until I read the linux book and I understand
23:21<Jason1>:)
23:22<Jason1>I should become an network admin lol
23:22<mantra>so is setting a staatic ip really hard or something?
23:22<Jason1>nope
23:22<mataks>help pls.. how to shutdown ?
23:22<kmonk>save's using man to read the manual of every single package to get it working
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23:22<mantra>i thought i would have to add 1 line into the /etc/hosts
23:22<mantra>thats what i was told
23:22<Jason1>mataks, go to terminal and type shutdown
23:23<mantra>shutdown needs root
23:23<mataks>how bout restart?
23:23<Jason1>I think
23:23<Jason1>yes
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23:23<Jason1>you can do that
23:23<Jason1>:)
23:23<kmonk>shutdown -h now or shutdown -h 20 to shutdown in 20 minutes
23:23<mantra>#reboot i think
23:23<Jason1>cool
23:23<adb>mataks: shutdown -r now
23:23<Jason1>brb
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23:23<mataks>k thnx
23:23<mantra>ok so does anyone know how to set a static ip?
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23:24<kmonk>i found shutdown -h <minutes> real handy when you're download torrents and want pc to shutdown in the morning
23:24<sney>isn't it just ifconfig interface address
23:24<sney>like, ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.104
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23:25<mantra>would it be wlan0 for wireless?
23:25<adb>mantra: stay whit dhcp , until you learn same network base
23:25<mantra>i do have network base
23:25<mantra>and I NEED this for my nfs share
23:25<adb>google it
23:25<sney>dhcp is generally better unless you *need* static ips
23:25<kmonk>yep, wlan0 is typically wireless
23:26<sney>dhcp can assign the same ip to a specific mac address every time if you tell it to
23:26<mantra>ok because everything i have seen said eth0
23:26<mantra>my router doesnt have that option
23:26<kmonk>do you have the firmware for your wireless adaptor?
23:26<mantra>installed? yes
23:26<adb>sney: unless you KNOW it :)
23:26<mantra>my wireless is working, just on dhcp
23:26<kmonk>ifconfig -a should show everything, even offline interfaces
23:27<mantra>i have done that
23:27<mantra>wlan0 is my wireless
23:27<sney>kmonk is a little behind, maybe he's lagging ;)
23:27<mantra>wlan0 has the ip assigned
23:27<kmonk>:p thanks
23:27<kmonk>im a little slo prehaps
23:28<mantra>so to give it a static ip i could go 'ifconfig wlan0 <ip>'?
23:28<sney>yes
23:28<mantra>ok thanks
23:28<sney>just make sure the netmask matches, and check your routing table, and it should work just fine
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23:29<mantra>routing table?
23:29<mantra>netmask?
23:30<adb>sney: he don't nkow nothing about you said ...
23:30<sney>clealry
23:30<adb>know*
23:30<sney>I thought he already knew about networking stuff! didn't he say that
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23:30<adb>he's just trolling hire
23:30<adb>here*
23:31<adb>!trolling
23:31<dpkg>somebody said trolling was scorp's idea of constructive criticism, or a poor man's opium
23:31<sney>mantra: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Networking-Overview-HOWTO.html
23:31<sney>go learn
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23:32<mantra>pok i did it and the internet cut out
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23:33<mantra>so i reconnected to the network with WICD
23:33<mantra>and it gave me a dhcp adress again
23:33<mantra>but the internet works again
23:33<mantra>so what happened>
23:33<mantra>?
23:33<sney>mantra: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Networking-Overview-HOWTO.html go learn
23:34<mantra>i have been reading documentation for about 3 hours.
23:34<sney>I could walk you through exactly what you need to do, but if you need to change anything you'll be lost again
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23:34<mantra>is it complicated?
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23:34<mantra>why is something so simple so complicated?
23:34<sney>not really. IPV4 addressing/routing standards.
23:34<mantra>i dont understand netmasks
23:34<sney>it's generally sometihng you learn by experience
23:35<mantra>ok im not reading this howto
23:35<mantra>this is rediculoous
23:35<kmonk>a netmask masks your net from ranges with a 255 specification
23:35<mantra>i just wanna know how to set a static ip so my hosts file can work
23:35<kmonk>i use ceni, it's not the 'pure' method of setting it up, you wont learn anything, but it will work
23:36<sney>can't wicd set static ips even?
23:36<mantra>shit i think it can
23:36<mantra>lol
23:36<sney>yes it can, it's right there in the preferences
23:36<mantra>awesome!
23:36<kmonk>wicd is probably the best gui interface for basic networking
23:36<sney>see this is what happens when your first response is to go ask for help rather than thinking "hmm what does this button do"
23:36<mantra>wicd kicks network managers ass
23:37<mantra>sorry lol ive been working out this NFS issue for like a wee
23:37<mantra>week
23:37<mantra>ok for gateway do i put my routers ip?
23:37<sney>yes
23:38<adb>mantra: it will take 1-2 years ..
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23:38<mantra>damn
23:38<mantra>for netmask do i put 255.255.255.0?
23:38<snif>Buenas noches ...................
23:38<sney>for netmask you put whatever your netmask is under dhcp
23:38<sney>so probably yes
23:38<sney>!es
23:38<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:38<mantra>ok
23:39<snif>¿ #debian-es ?
23:40<sney>este es #debian. necesitas #debian-es.
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23:42<snif>ya veo , #debian-es ¿ esta en este servidor ?
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23:43<sney>creo que si
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23:46<snif>¿ sabes si IRC-hispano.org esta activo ? pues desde hace mas o menos una semana he tratado en vano de conectarme , mediante el programa del pidgin.
23:48<sney>no sé
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23:48<sney>pues si no puedes conectarte, es posible que no
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23:50<snif>sabes de algun o algunos otros programas que pueda emplear para conectarme la iRC-hispano.org en ubuntu , ademas del pidgin ?
23:50<sney>x-chat
23:51<sney>x-chat es el mejor para IRC
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23:51<adb>xchat, irssi
23:52<sney>I figure, I don't help this guy, he never goes away
23:52-!-mantra [~alex@ip72-197-169-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:52<sney>even though it's totally off-topic and he's using ubuntu.
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23:53<snif>¿ X-Chat ? ya lo he instalado varias veces y en su lista de servidores no aparece IRC-hispano.org. Y xchat , hace apenas unos minutos lo instale mas no aparece en aplicacion ...
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23:56<sney>snif: no puedo hablar mas contigo. por favor escrite "/join #debian-es" y pregunta otra vez
23:57<snif>de acuerdo , nadamas dime ¿ donde escribo eso ?
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23:59<sney>donde escrites lo que dices.
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