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---Logopened Wed Jul 29 00:00:45 2009
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00:13<ophank>hi
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00:14<nono>hi
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00:24<ProfOak>Hey guys, do you remember me?
00:25<ProfOak>Well, I've never used Debian before, until now, and I can't seem to get internet
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00:33<ProfOak>Is anyone here?
00:33<nono>yeah
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00:41<mantra>ProfOak: how are you trying to connect to the internet?
00:41<ProfOak>wifi
00:41<mantra>ProfOak: are you using gnome?
00:41<ProfOak>Yes
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00:42<mantra>have you installed the firmware for your wireless card?
00:42<ProfOak>I don't think so
00:42<mantra>what kind of a wireless adapter is it?
00:43<ProfOak>This is really a new thing for me, I'm too used to ubuntu
00:43<mantra>is your wireless a card or usb?
00:43<ProfOak>It's built into my laptop
00:43<mantra>ok now open a terminal and type lspci
00:44<mantra>and look for your wireless card
00:44<mantra>and tell me what its called
00:44<ProfOak>One sec
00:45<ProfOak>intel corp pro/wireless 3945abg
00:45<mantra>oh thats the same as mine
00:45<ProfOak>Oh neat
00:46<ProfOak>That was a fast reaction too
00:46<mantra>install iwlwifi
00:46<mantra>lol ya
00:46<ProfOak>Is that on the DVD I've got?
00:46<mantra>ive had to look it up every time i install a new OS
00:46<nono>modprobe iwl3945
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00:46<ProfOak>haha
00:46<mantra>yeah it should be
00:46<ProfOak>I'm really excited to be using Debian
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00:47<ProfOak>I've wanted to dig deeper into linux
00:47<mantra>actually its in non-free
00:47<mantra>idk if non-free packages are on the DVD
00:47<ProfOak>oh
00:47<ProfOak>Well, I'll check anyways
00:48<mantra>if its not then you can plug your computer into ethernet and download the package over the internet
00:48<ProfOak>I could always transfer via USB drive, since I'm obviously using the internet right now
00:48<mantra>yeah you can download the package manually
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00:49<nono>http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi
00:49<nono>;-)
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00:50<mantra>oh yeah the package is called firmware-iwlwifi
00:50<Hideo>~iwlwifi
00:50<Hideo>!iwlwifi
00:50<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net.
00:50<nono>aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi
00:51<nono> modprobe iwl3945
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00:51<gregory>hay algien en linea que sepa espa;ol
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00:52<Hideo>!tell gregory about es
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00:53<gregory>hola hideo tengo un problema con el server
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00:53<gregory>no lo puedo explicar en ingles
00:54<Hideo>gregory: read what dpkg told you, I don't speak spanish
00:54<gregory>thanks
00:54<Hideo>:)
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00:55<ProfOak>Ok so, where can I find a direct download for that?
00:56<nono>gregory:#debian-es
00:57<Hideo>ProfOak: do you have a wired connection on that laptop?
00:58<Hideo>ProfOak: if so the easiest way is to do what dpkg said above
00:58<ProfOak>Hideo: no
00:58<gregory>hay alguien en linea que sepa espanol
00:58<ProfOak>I guess it will have to wait until tomorrow, or maybe nor
00:58<ProfOak>Is there a recommended guide to using crossover cables? >_>
00:59<Hideo>ProfOak: testing or stable?
00:59<ProfOak>Stable
00:59<nono>?ProfOak: stable and lenny-backports
01:00<Hideo>ProfOak: one minute
01:01<ProfOak>I'm in no hurry
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01:05<Hideo>ProfOak: did anyone help ya out when my connection was down?
01:06<ProfOak>Hideo: No, haha
01:06<Hideo>ProfOak: ok on your machine with internet, download http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-iwlwifi_0.14+lenny1_all.deb
01:06<gregory>hay alguien en linea que hable espanol
01:06<Hideo>and copy it over to your laptop, then on your laptop, as root, do "dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi_0.14+lenny1_all.deb"
01:07<adb>gregory: /j #debian-es
01:07<gregory>adb tu sabes espanol
01:07<adb>nope
01:07<adb>!es
01:07<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
01:08<gregory>que suerte la mia
01:08<ProfOak>Hideo: Give me a few
01:09<ProfOak>Hideo: my flash drive(iPod) is giving me some problems.
01:09<gregory>ok
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01:16<ProfOak>Ok, update, my account is not in the sudoers file... Ok this is making less and less sense as it goes along
01:18<nono>it's not ubuntu
01:18<nono>sudo
01:19<ProfOak>There's only one account on this machine, why is it not in the sudoers file?
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01:19<jm_>because it has no place there by default
01:19<ProfOak>How do I add myself to it?
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01:19<jm_>visudo
01:20<mantra>ProfOak: sudo isnt used by nearly everyone so it isnt included by default
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01:20<mantra>its really a ubuntu thing
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01:21<stew>no, it isn't a ubuntu thing
01:21<mantra>oh ok
01:21<mantra>i use it
01:21<Slurb>sudo is included
01:21<mantra>i dont think it used to
01:21<mantra>i remember installing it
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01:21<mantra>or maybe not idk
01:21<Slurb>i chose to disable root so sudo was included in my install
01:21<stew>and no sudo isn't included by default, but it is certainly available. there are options in the installer to install 'rootless' which wiould include sudo and no root password set
01:21<ProfOak>I thought using sudo was like a common thing to do while operating from the terminal
01:22<mantra>a lot of people use su instead
01:22<stew>ProfOak: it is
01:23<jm_>it isn't really
01:23<ProfOak>I've always found myself using sudo at least once per startup of my computer
01:23<ProfOak>And I suck at linux
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01:24<mantra>it depends on how often you use the terminal for non administrative things and how often you make changes to your computer
01:24<mantra>but for most people it is common to use su or sudo
01:25<ProfOak>I wasn't even aware of su at all
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01:25<mantra>yeah i think ubuntu discourages su
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01:25<sney^>they do yes
01:25<mantra>still cant figure out why
01:26<dan>dang alot of users here o.O
01:26<sney^>probably to avoid recent windows converts doing everything as root
01:26<dan>i am in need of some answers
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01:26<sney^>"well on my windows machine I was administrator" syndrome
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01:27<ProfOak>wb Hideo
01:27<Jason1>I need a GUI unrar program
01:27<dan>can anyone help me run a .bat file on ubuntu?
01:27<sney^>!ubuntu
01:27<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
01:27<Hideo>ProfOak: did it work?
01:27<mantra>Jason1: xarchiver works
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01:28<Jason1>well.
01:28<ProfOak>Hideo: I can't use sudo, so no
01:28<Jason1>will it extract rar parts?
01:28<mantra>haha dpkg doesnt like ubuntu either
01:28<dan>sney can you help me out?
01:28<Hideo>ProfOak: why not?
01:28<ProfOak>Hideo: I'm not in the sudoers file
01:28<sney^>dan, speaking generally, if you have a .bat file you have the wrong file.
01:28<stew>dan: please go to #ubuntu on irc.ubuntu.com for help with ubuntu
01:28<Hideo>ProfOak: then use su
01:29<dan>well can i get it running?
01:29<dan>stew there is no one on the ubuntu channel :(
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01:29<ProfOak>Unknown ID: dpkg... What?!
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01:30<sney^>dan, .bat files are for windows.
01:30<stew>dan: there are over 1000 people in it. you are not on irc.ubuntu.com yet
01:30<Jason1>mantra, it don't extract the parts.
01:30<fox>u k s arabic ?
01:30<jm_>Jason1: so use rar command in a terminal
01:30<dan>so there is no possible way for me to run it?
01:30<mantra>Jason1: oh then i dont know of any except the CLI
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01:30<Jason1>CLI?
01:30<Jason1>explain?
01:31<ProfOak>dan: What does it do, exactly?
01:31<mantra>how often are you unraring parts that you need a GUI for it?
01:31<fox>ok bye
01:31<Jason1>yeah it is easy than commandline
01:31<dan>well it's supposed to run a client, a runescape clone, moparscape, a private server
01:32<dan>thinking i can run moparscape on linux i can run this private server
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01:32<dan>but i can't run it :(
01:32<ProfOak>dan: That's certainly an odd file extension for a server. Have you tried WINE at all?
01:33<dan>no i haven't
01:33<dan>i'll give it try
01:33<Jason1>then try?
01:33<Jason1>ok
01:33<mantra>why are you using ubuntu for a server?
01:33<mantra>theres basically no point
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01:33<sney^>I think there is an ubuntu server distribution
01:34<ProfOak>There is a server distro
01:34<jm_>Jason1: rar x file.rar is hard?
01:34<mantra>why? its based off debian, whats there to change to make it a better server?
01:34<sney^>dan, the worst that can happen is failure if you try this, but give this a shot: sh file.bat
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01:35<sney^>mantra: because, as a fork of debian, ubuntu isn't bound by things debian has "already done" when they decide what to do next
01:35<ProfOak>mantra: it's easier, I guess.
01:35<sney^>also, some people are more comfortable with point and click.
01:35<sney^>and brown things.
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01:35<mantra>oh god, a GUI server
01:35<dan>ty sney i give that try too
01:35<ProfOak>Haha, that seems to be a running gag. Brown...
01:35<mantra>lol
01:35<sney^>gui server! just like windows!
01:35<mantra>yay!
01:35<ProfOak>Hideo: What's going on with your internet?
01:36<dan>sorta of a nooby question.... where can i check my hard drive space?
01:36<dan>i think wine is too big for this computer xD
01:36<sney^>I must say that having a bunch of xterms on the same screen at once without having to alt-fkey between them is pretty useful, but I'm not sure it really justifies running X on a server
01:36<sney^>dan: df -h
01:36<Hideo>ProfOak: my brother is fidgeting with the freaking router
01:36<dan>ty :)
01:36<ProfOak>Hideo: oh, haha
01:36<mantra>sney^: and theres always screen
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01:37<sney^>yes, I said without switching between them
01:37<mantra>oh yeah
01:37<sney^>like, being able to see them at the same time
01:37<mantra>oh i thought screen did that
01:37<mantra>never used it so idk
01:37<jm_>you can have split windows in screen
01:37<mantra>hah
01:37<Jason1>oh man winrar works
01:37<sney^>well, I never figured out how to do that. >_> anyway
01:37<mantra>oh yeah huh
01:38<ProfOak>Does everyone dislike ubuntu, or something?
01:38<Jason1>I had ot use wine and install winrar.exe and itvworks
01:38<mantra>nah i like it for desktop
01:38<jm_>that was pretty much the reason I started using X - you can see multiple terminals at the same time
01:39<sney^>ProfOak: it's tiring for ubuntu users to keep coming in here, clueless, demanding support... it's a bug in ubuntu, their xchat install comes here when you start it
01:39<ProfOak>Wait, you guys don't use desktops?
01:39<dan>btw this will be my first time using wine
01:39<Jason1>I use the desktop
01:39<ProfOak>sney^: hahahahahaha
01:39<sney^>haha, I use a desktop *now*, but there was I time when I didn't
01:39<ProfOak>That's true, I wonder why it defaults to Debian...
01:40<sney^>because they secretly hate us and want us to be stressed
01:40<ProfOak>heh
01:40<sney^>dan: there are specific support channels for the things you want to do. go, young man, find them
01:40<ProfOak>Or maybe because they have 1000+ noobs complaining all the time
01:40<sney^>yeah they have to get rid of some of them I guess haha
01:41<ProfOak>Well, I've given up on my problem for today
01:41<cahoot>whatever the reason - it's OT
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01:41<sney^>"let's make an OS for children and old people, then offer free online community support!" "capital idea! what could go wrong?"
01:41<sney^>ok, I'm done
01:41<ProfOak>I'll walk around tomorrow, when people are awake
01:41<Jason1>how do I install vlc?
01:41<Jason1>vlc-nonfree?
01:41<ProfOak>lmao
01:41<dan>ty sney :) i'll do my best
01:41<ProfOak>Well sney^: It was my first Linux, so I can't really hate it
01:42<sney^>Jason1: aptitude install vlc ?
01:42<sney^>ProfOak: what was your problem again?
01:42<Jason1>let me try
01:42*sney^ too lazy to scroll up
01:42<ProfOak>I've got a stack of about 15 liveCDs/DVDs of linux
01:42<ProfOak>Oh, I can't get wifi
01:42<ProfOak>I'll just use a wired connection to download the package tomorrow
01:42<mantra>ProfOak: you cant get to an ethernet cable?
01:42<sney^>wifi problems!
01:42<Jason1>oh thanks
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01:43<ProfOak>Everyone is sleeping in my house, and my router is on the other side of my house
01:43<mantra>lol ok
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01:43<nono>;-)
01:43<sney^>Jason1: aptitude search is your *friend.*
01:43<sney^>and of course he quits
01:43<ProfOak>lmao
01:43<ProfOak>I think that's the first thing you need to learn on linux
01:43<dan>how can i use wine on a program?
01:43<mantra>wine program.exe
01:43<sney^>I thought you were going to find the right support channels dan
01:44<stew>dan: ask #ubuntu on irc.ubuntu.com
01:44<ProfOak>Right click the program, and go to "Open With"
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01:44<sney^>!wine
01:44<dpkg>[wine] Wine Is Not an Emulator, an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs. Packaged for Debian. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . The beta Wine packages from lamaresh.net are _not_ supported in #debian. http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ http://www.winehq.org/ #winehq on irc.freenode.net.
01:44<sney^>^^^
01:44<mantra>oh damn hes a ubunto user
01:44<sney^>hence the general lack of a clue ;)
01:44<mantra>go back to your own people!
01:44<ProfOak>Hey, I'm on Ubuntu right now. You guys didn't even know. Mwahaha!
01:44*ProfOak is evil
01:45<dan>geez! FINE I WILL! :(
01:45<dan>lol ty for everything :)
01:45<sney^> -ProfOak- VERSION xchat 2.8.6 Ubuntu <- GASP it's true
01:45<nono>wine "c:\Program Files\Warcraft III\Frozen Throne.exe"
01:45<ProfOak>At least I'm not a complete idiot
01:45<sney^>heh, if you version me you'll get an even ruder surprise
01:45<mantra>how do you see what client people are using?
01:45<ProfOak>Been using linux for a whole year! *gold claps*
01:45<sney^>mantra: /ctcp user version
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01:46<Tekno>morning
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01:46<Jason1>vlc needs codecs
01:46<ProfOak>Straight up linux?
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01:46<Jason1>I think vlc didn't install codecs
01:47<mantra>sney^: *gasp*
01:47<sney^>Jason1: aptitude search is your *friend.*
01:47<nono>use mplayer
01:47<jm_>vl doesn't install stuff, administrator does
01:47<mantra>sney^: i know your secret
01:47<sney^>:x
01:47<ProfOak>Wait, I'm confused!
01:47<sney^>I was playing a game, I haven't rebooted yet.
01:47<mantra>riiight
01:47<sney^>I sweah! >_>
01:48*ProfOak is pretty confused
01:48<mantra>lol
01:49<ProfOak>Although, it's probably better that way
01:49<sney^>ProfOak: you can use /ctcp username version to see what irc client/OS people are running.
01:49<Jason1>my VLC player can't play video
01:49<ProfOak>Yeah, I did it on you
01:49<ProfOak>But I dunno what it means
01:49<sney^>you probably did it on my other self, the eee in the other room
01:49<sney^>see my hat? ^
01:49<ProfOak>LOL
01:50<sney^><_<
01:50<Jason1>>.<
01:50<ProfOak>That makes MUCH more sense
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01:50<ProfOak>What the hell are you doing on that?
01:50<sney^> <sney^> I was playing a game, I haven't rebooted yet.
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01:50<sney^>and i figure, I have these XP licenses, might as well use em
01:50<Jason1>I can't get vlc player ot play video, I'll look deeper
01:50<mantra>does using a VM for wondoze take a big performance hit?
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01:51<mantra>im just tired of wine
01:51<ProfOak>mantra: Yes very much so
01:51<mantra>damn
01:51<sney^>unless you've got a real powerhouse computer anyway
01:52<sney^>there's a new thing that has video hardware passthrough but I forget what it's called
01:52<ProfOak>sney^: Don't worry, I have that installed for games too
01:52<mantra>just a core 2 laptop
01:52*Jason1 is confused on vlc.
01:52<Jason1>I need ot install all codecs.
01:52<ProfOak>Jason1: Try Totem or mplayer
01:52<nono>mplayer
01:52<mantra>Jason1: you can always use SMplayer
01:52<mantra>SMplayer is really polished
01:52<Jason1>but I need to put with a .srt file.
01:52<nono>lol
01:53<Jason1>hairspray.avi with. srt
01:53<Jason1>srt is subtitle file
01:53<ProfOak>Oo, Smplayer sounds dirty, but looks pretty good
01:53<ProfOak>I'll have to try that out
01:53<Jason1>ok.
01:53<mantra>whys it sound dirty?
01:53<ProfOak>S&M
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01:53<mantra>hahah
01:53*Jason1 types aptitude install smplayer
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01:54<nono>qt....
01:54<ProfOak>Ok, maybe you guys can help me, since I haven't angered you enough with noob problems
01:54<mantra>whats wrong with qt other than its ugly?
01:54<Jason1>wow
01:54<Jason1>I love you.
01:55<ProfOak>What's the difference between apt-get and aptitude?
01:55<mantra>ok how do you do that dpkg thing...
01:55<ProfOak>dpkh -i filename?
01:55<sney^>aptitude is newer, slower, and has more features. it is also more automated with things like autoremoving packages that were pulled as a dependency but are no longer needed
01:55<ProfOak>dpkg*
01:55<mantra>no, i need to make dpkg yell at you
01:55<ProfOak>oh, haha
01:55<mantra>lol
01:55<ProfOak>!Yell mantra LOL
01:56<ProfOak>Ok, guess not
01:56<ProfOak>Is that Phenny?
01:56<adb>dpkg: tell ProfOak -about why aptitude
01:56<sney^>for day to day usage of installing and updating things, there is nothing really different between apt-get and aptitude, other than sometimes aptitude takes (significantly) longer to search
01:56<adb>dpkg: tell ProfOak -about selftell
01:57<sney^>aptitude also has a standalone curses gui thing similar to dselect, and there's some gtk thing too but I forget what it was called because I removed it right away.
01:57*Jason1 snugs mantra
01:57<mantra>lol why
01:58<Jason1>because you made my smplayer play with mym ovie with a subtitle file loaded automatically?
01:58<mantra>yeah i told you its polished
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01:59<Jason1>lol polished with wax?
01:59<mantra>idk im not a programer
01:59<ProfOak>Jason1: Wax++
02:00<mantra>whatever magic resides in a 'compiler'
02:00<ProfOak>I mean wax#
02:00*ProfOak evil
02:00<adb>!wax
02:00<dpkg>rumour has it, wax is the best damn medium that music has ever been recorded to
02:00<ProfOak>Drat, foiled again.
02:00<adb>!vax
02:00<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, vax is the legendary machine that the internet was built upon
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02:02<ProfOak>I love this channel, so casual compared to ubuntu
02:02<Jason1>oh.
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02:03<sney^>ProfOak: just don't say that when chealer is around. >_>
02:03<mantra>ubuntu has money behind it and that corrupts it
02:03<ProfOak>sney^: Why's that?
02:03<sney^>he is a serious one.
02:03<sney^>and, officially,
02:03<ProfOak>Oh o.o;
02:03<sney^>!off-topic
02:03<sney^>!offtopic
02:03<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic
02:03<ProfOak>Oh no!
02:04<ProfOak>Are you guys in there?
02:04<sney^>I never remember to join it
02:04<ProfOak>Because I'll just jump in there too
02:04<mantra>but theres no serious discussion sowere all good
02:04<ProfOak>don't worry guys, I'll help people with their debian
02:04<sney^>yeah, middle of the night in most of the civilised world
02:04<sney^>we're ok for now
02:05<sney^>I'm gonna go watch a movie. toodles
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02:05<ProfOak>I'm going to venture out and turn off my desktop
02:05<mantra>aight later
02:05<ProfOak>peace
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02:08<Jason1>oh question.
02:09<Jason1>How do I burn a video in a CD?
02:09<Jason1>bun it as normal?
02:09<Jason1>burn*
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02:12<Jason1>I'm curious, if I have a movie and burn it in CD, burn it as a data CD so DVD player can play it?
02:14<k1lumin4t1>yes
02:14<k1lumin4t1>but you can burn a VCD also
02:14<Jason1>hm.
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02:14<Jason1>yay
02:14<Jason1>it works
02:14<k1lumin4t1>or just burn the compressed format into the CD as data and if your DVD player suports that format in particular, It will
02:15<Jason1>hm.
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02:16<ophank>how to make local repository/mirror from debian dvd
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02:18<k1lumin4t1>ophank, aptoncd
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02:21<ophank>i want copy debian dvd in my hardisk
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02:21<ophank>and want other computer can apt packet from my hardisk
02:22<ophank>i'm new in linux
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02:23<Jason1>burn the Debian DVD
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02:25<k1lumin4t1>ophank, checl if there's a debian folder in your DVD
02:25<k1lumin4t1>*check
02:26<nono>ophank: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/
02:30<ophank>i use apache for server , than a have copy debian dvd to /var/www/mydebian
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02:32<k1lumin4t1>ophank, chekl if there's a folder named "debian" in your DVD
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02:34<ophank>yes
02:34<ophank>why
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02:34<k1lumin4t1>ophank, copy that folder and that's it
02:35<k1lumin4t1>ophank, copy that whole folder to your location
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02:35<k1lumin4t1>ophank, inside that folder you see two more folders, called "dists" and "pool"?
02:35<ophank>yes
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02:35<k1lumin4t1>ophank, then that's your target
02:36<k1lumin4t1>ophank, copy that to your /var/www location
02:36<k1lumin4t1>ophank, and then just configure sources.list in the other machines to point to that machine
02:36<adb>to /var/www/debian better
02:37<k1lumin4t1>which would be something like adding a line like this: deb http://my.machine.something/debian <dist> <sections>
02:38<k1lumin4t1>where my.machine.something could be cname if you're using dynamic dns or just an IP number if you have an statical network setup
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02:40<ophank>thanks i will try it
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02:44<ophank>what is <dist>
02:45<bpun>!dist
02:45<bpun>lol .. dpkg is dead
02:45<stew>dpkg: test
02:45<dpkg>epic test fail
02:45<k1lumin4t1>ophank, dist = lenny | squeeze | sid (whatever your case is) and sections = main | contrib | non-free (or all of them combined)
02:45<adb>dist from distribution
02:46<ophank>ok
02:46<bpun>aka distro
02:46<adb> *bistro
02:46<adb>grr
02:47<k1lumin4t1>ok now I have one question myself
02:48<bpun>k1lumin4t1, no
02:48<bpun>k1lumin4t1, we already know
02:49<adb>k1lumin4t1: i guess you can reinstall in lvm w/ keeping old home/ , never tried myself thought
02:49<k1lumin4t1>I have this debian installation since some months ago which I did using LVM in the d-i. Inside the LVM tree I placed /home and /root, and outside of it /boot and swap. The thing is I need to reinstall my system but I don't want to touch the LVM logical volume for /home, just reinstall the system (i.e. /root )
02:49<k1lumin4t1>hahaha
02:49<k1lumin4t1>adb, how did you knew?
02:49<k1lumin4t1>*know
02:49<adb>i read it in #d-es
02:49<k1lumin4t1>oh
02:50<bpun>k1lumin4t1, he also has a spycam in your room
02:50<bpun>k1lumin4t1, but i won't ever go there!
02:50<tzafrir_laptop>but an install will always wipe out / , right?
02:50<k1lumin4t1>of course
02:50<k1lumin4t1>that's the core of it
02:50<tzafrir_laptop>if you have the LVM partition, why not try to recover?
02:51<k1lumin4t1>I just want to avoid wiping home which is inside the LVM as root is
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02:51<tzafrir_laptop>boot with a rescue cd or whatever, load the lvm, chroot into the root file system,
02:51<paul_>hey all!
02:51<tzafrir_laptop>re-install the kernel package, reinstall grub
02:51<tzafrir_laptop>simple, isn't it?
02:51<k1lumin4t1>tzafrir_laptop, the thing is that I'm having this HAL issue with my CD/DVD drive which doesn't allow it to be recognized and mounted automatically
02:51<k1lumin4t1>tzafrir_laptop, it's not a rescue
02:51<paul_>I want to share a virtual winXP image between two users, where is it best to put it? /usr/share ?
02:52<k1lumin4t1>tzafrir_laptop, I want to reinstall
02:52<paul_>.. or maybe /var/?
02:53<tzafrir_laptop>paul_, /usr/share is not the place for such stuff
02:53<adb>paul_: in /etc/export ..
02:54<tzafrir_laptop>baiscally, /usr/local , /home , /srv , /mnt/something , whatever you like
02:54<adb>or /opt ..
02:55<paul_>oh, I can put it in home?
02:55<paul_>maybe create another user?
02:55<adb>yes
02:55<paul_>ok
02:55<paul_>thanks a bunch
02:55<paul_>one sec, can I have a group and a user named the same?
02:56<adb>usually debian do that
02:56<paul_>thanks
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02:58<adb>but i'll add same username/s as in XP, my guess
02:58<adb>bah .. ok
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03:01<deniz>Does sudo sysctl -p just tell you your sysctl.conf settings or does it also make them active without needing to reboot?
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03:11<bpun>deniz, the latter
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03:12<bpun>deniz, you can then verify with sysctl -a
03:13<deniz>bpun, theyre not even listed with sysctl -a but they are with -p, anyways would you happen to know if my previous vm.vfs_cache_pressure=1 instead of =50 (which it is now) was the reason for slowing my system to a crawl when copying a 12gb file from a certain directory to another on the same hdd?
03:14<bpun>deniz, if you're not sure then just comment it out..
03:14<bpun>deniz, a system reboot will use the kernel's default..
03:14<deniz>bpun, i think my problem is solved now with the =50 but i just wanted confirmation to see if it's in my head
03:15<deniz>if it's just in my head*
03:15<bpun>deniz, mine is 100 here (i386 32-bit)
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03:15<bpun>deniz, if u're messing around.. just make a backup dummy
03:15<bpun>:)
03:15<jm_>deniz: I don't think so, one single big file will not consume much of inode/dnode cache memory
03:16<deniz>bpun, i have 3gb ram tho and vm.swappiness=0
03:16<deniz>jm_, well it was lots of compressived archives in a folder
03:16<deniz>or directory if you wanna call it that
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03:17<jm_>deniz: right, then it might help
03:17<jm_>but those are still not big numbers
03:18<jm_>so I doubt it will help a lot
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03:19<bpun>deniz, if you don't know what your doing.. then don't do it!
03:20<deniz>bpun, well it's not liek my comp will stop working because of something like this, i can just change the values back and plus i think my system is feeling faster but only time will really tell
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03:21<bpun>deniz, it seems faster-- what an analysis
03:21*bpun sigha
03:23*bpun thinks people that say "seem" << will eternally refuse to learn how to analyse anything in life
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03:25<deniz>bpun, lol im still reading stuff but it also matters how things seem as well thats the whole goal - for good perceived performance
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03:25<pbn>Hi I've seen there are new binary kernels... But I don't see them if I do aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade... What is going on ?
03:25<jm_>pbn: which new kernels?
03:25<bpun>deniz, you're stupid.. i think i'll ignore you
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03:27<pbn>jm_: 2.6.24 and 2.6.26 ... it's announced on the debian-security mailing list
03:27<deniz>bpun, what did i say?
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03:33<jm_>pbn: do you have security in sources.list?
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03:39<pbn>jm_: yes
03:39<pbn>but perhaps not security.debian.org
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03:40<jm_>pbn: what else could you possibly have? that is the service providing security updates
03:41<pbn>well this: ftp.de.debian.org/debian-security
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03:43<jm_>no that's not it
03:43<jm_>!security
03:43<dpkg>Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude dist-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>.
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03:45<clarence>helo
03:46<pbn>yes but ftp.de.debian.org/debian-security is a mirror of security.debian.org
03:46<jm_>then talk to them about why it's lagging behind
03:46<stew>(an unofficial mirror that one shouldn't necessary rely on)
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03:48<clarence>jm_: hello my video still cannot play http://paste.ubuntu.com/235712/
03:48<jm_>grep: do you have a ping fetish?
03:49<jm_>clarence: where is your mplayer coming from?
03:49<clarence>apt
03:49<jm_>yes, but which repository?
03:49<clarence>apt-get install mplayer
03:50<clarence>jm_: Uh~ DVD
03:50<jm_>clarence: did you try the one from debian-multimedia repository? you are using debian, right?
03:50<clarence>jm_: yeah
03:51<jm_>clarence: is that "yeah" to both questions?
03:51<clarence>jm_: Yeah I'm using Debian
03:51<jm_>clarence: I asked another question
03:52<stew>clarence: show us the output of "apt-cache policy mplayer"
03:52<stew>oh, "MPlayer 1.0rc1-4.1.2-DFSG-free (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team" is the debian one
03:53<clarence>stew: http://paste.ubuntu.com/235717/
03:54<clarence>stew: uh I'm Taiwanese, I hope you know chinese
03:55<stew>clarence: you should consider upgrading to the current version of debian stable: /msg dpkg etch->lenny
03:56<clarence>stew: how ?
03:56<stew>dpkg: tell clarence about etch->lenny
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03:57<jm_>hehe
04:00<clarence>jm_: my network speed is too slow, sodo you have another way to solve this question?
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04:00<Yoda-BZH`Wk>morning
04:01<jm_>clarence: your best bet is to upgrade debian or compile newer version of mplayer yourself
04:01<clarence>jm_: go to offical website and download ?
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04:10<jm_>clarence: for example, but be careful where you install it etc. - it would be better to use Debian source pakcage, but it has lots of dependencies
04:11<clarence>jm_: hmm huh
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04:12<clarence>jm_: I'm not good at compile and install
04:12<jm_>clarence: then it would be easiest to upgrade to lenny
04:13<clarence>jm_: how to upgrade from apt-get?
04:14<jm_>clarence: in you rIRC client type: "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" without "" and read what dpkg has to say about it
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04:32<pleb2>!vmware
04:32<dpkg>VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it. Ask me about <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware . See also <virtualization>.
04:32<pleb2>!vmware-package
04:32<dpkg>vmware-package is a Debian <contrib> package - available for sid (not in lenny) - which provides a `make-vmpkg' utility. This utility can create Debian packages of various VMware products and related software. Read /usr/share/doc/vmware-package/README.Debian.gz and http://wiki.debian.org/VMware for package building instructions. See also <vmware support>.
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04:35<pleb2>Anyone free to discuss virtualization products??
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04:41<snogglethorpe>anyone know whether there's a way to get easy noise-reduction using "rawstudio"?
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04:55<cahoot>snogglethorpe: a bit beside the point - if you're not opposed to payware - take a look at bibble
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04:57<snogglethorpe>cahoot: it's not so much paying that makes me nervous, it's software that will at some point almost certainly become obsolete and unusable and/or not run on my system
04:57<snogglethorpe>e.g. i tried donwloading rawtherapee but it just crashed
04:57<snogglethorpe>whoops, no source!
04:58<snogglethorpe>so having good NR algorithms in a FOSS program makes me feel more safe
04:59<snogglethorpe>(i tried digikam, but it seemed enormously bloated, and the interface not so good)
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04:59<snogglethorpe>digikam has NR stuff, but it didn't seem to work all that well (it gives you _tons_ of knobs, but a lot of playing around never really yielded very pleasing results)
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05:10<cahoot>snogglethorpe: http://www.flickr.com/groups/83823859@N00/discuss/72157602270919399/
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05:12<snogglethorpe>cahoot: thanks
05:12<cahoot>snogglethorpe: might be old info though
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05:12<Tiggez>hi, i have some trouble with that argrument list to long / max_args_pages stuff
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05:12<snogglethorpe>cahoot: so if it's in those progs (dcraw/ufraw), probably it's not so hard to make some of these gui wrappers sue it...?
05:13<victor>ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ
05:13<Tiggez>is there a way to change the value of it, without recompile the whole kernel?
05:13<cahoot>rawstudio builds on dcraw so ...
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05:13<snogglethorpe>excellent
05:14<snogglethorpe>cahoot: that seems like a good group to keep an eye of in any case
05:14<snogglethorpe>thanks!
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05:15<Tiggez>and much more interesting, why is that value so low by default?
05:15<Tiggez>thx
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05:16<victor>ÒÕ
05:16<jm_>Tiggez: it isn't really very low
05:16<Tiggez>getconf ARG_MAX
05:16<Tiggez>131072
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05:17<Tiggez>it default since 2002, seems low to me
05:17<jm_>you are doing something wrong if you need more than that
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05:18<Zahid>may anyone help me to configure ntop on ubuntu
05:18<jm_>Zahid: /msg dpkg ubuntu
05:18<petemc>ubuntu support is in #ubuntu on freenode, but for what its worth ntop should work out of the box
05:18<petemc>does on debian, anyway
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05:18<Zahid>wat u mean
05:18<Tiggez>okay. no chance to change? it not really important
05:19<petemc>it just works, no configuration necessary
05:19<Tiggez>but would be nice , so i have to check out the debian bsd kernel
05:19<Tiggez>bye
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05:19<snogglethorpe>hm was that a troll?
05:19<snogglethorpe>odd
05:19<jm_>doesn't sound like it
05:20<snogglethorpe>"why is maxargs so low?! I'm gonna checkout bsd!"
05:20<snogglethorpe>switching kernels just to change maxargs?!
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05:21<jm_>as if it's that easy
05:21<happydufus>snogglethorpe: hid day "debian bsd"
05:21<Zahid>help about ntop
05:21<jm_>!tell zahid -about ubuntu
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05:21<Zahid>yes
05:21<happydufus>er... did say
05:21<snogglethorpe>happydufus: yeah
05:21<snogglethorpe>it still seems pretty wacky
05:22<Zahid>i have installed ntop running but capturing triffic of the lan
05:22<happydufus>wacky but not a troll me thinks
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05:24<Monkey_Butt>Can anyone help a lost noob mount my second harddrive? or just point me in the right direction
05:24<Monkey_Butt>Monster:~# mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb5 /Free
05:24<Monkey_Butt>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb5,
05:24<Monkey_Butt> missing codepage or helper program, or other error
05:24<Monkey_Butt> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
05:24<Monkey_Butt>dmesg tail or so
05:24<Monkey_Butt>Monster:~# dmesg | tail
05:24<Monkey_Butt>[317157.789949] hdb: hdb1 < hdb5 >
05:24<Monkey_Butt>[317235.378731] attempt to access beyond end of device
05:24<Monkey_Butt>[317235.378731] hdb1: rw=0, want=4, limit=2
05:24<Monkey_Butt>[317235.378731] EXT3-fs: unable to read superblock
05:24<Monkey_Butt>[317268.729842] EXT3-fs: hdb5: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240).
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05:24<Monkey_Butt>[317274.765821] VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev hdb.
05:24<Monkey_Butt>[317662.114427] hdb: hdb1
05:24<Monkey_Butt>[317859.214472] hdb: hdb1 < hdb5 >
05:24<Monkey_Butt>[322164.098684] EXT3-fs: hdb5: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240).
05:24<Monkey_Butt>[322945.016855] EXT3-fs: hdb5: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240).
05:25<Monkey_Butt>(arg: 432)
05:26<happydufus>Monkey_Butt: try http://pastebin.com/ next time
05:26<ml|>!pastebin
05:26<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
05:26<debuser4235>monkey: fdisk -l
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05:27<Monkey_Butt>/dev/hdb5 1 7474 60034842 83 Linux
05:27<snogglethorpe>cahoot: ah, i didn't realize, ufraw has its own nice little gui!
05:28<Monkey_Butt>sorry about the paste; didn't know
05:29<debuser4235>strange numbering... hdb5? how many partitions does hdb has?
05:29<debuser4235>have
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05:30<Monkey_Butt>should have 1 (I hope), I had zenwalk when I put it in
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05:31<debuser4235>fsck.ext3 -n /dev/hdb5
05:32<Zahid>anybody to help me about ntop on ubunut
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05:35<Monkey_Butt>Zahid: http://paste.debian.net/42933/
05:36<debuser4235>fdisk -l listed only one hdb partition?
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05:38<Monkey_Butt>no sorry http://paste.debian.net/42935/
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05:39<debuser4235>I would make a full backup of hdb
05:39<debuser4235>and run fsck.ext3
05:39<debuser4235>dd if=/dev/hdb of=/somepath/fullimagefile
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05:40<debuser4235>if something goes wrong
05:40<debuser4235>restore the image
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05:41<Zahid>i was there but nothing
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05:43<Monkey_Butt>I have nothing of value on there
05:43<debuser4235>then
05:43<debuser4235>create the partition again
05:43<debuser4235>fdisk /dev/hdb
05:44<debuser4235>o
05:44<debuser4235>n
05:44<debuser4235>p
05:44<debuser4235>etc
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05:59<Monkey_Butt>http://paste.debian.net/42937/
06:00<snogglethorpe>hmm now i've tried ufraw, and it seems to do a good job of removing noise!
06:01<snogglethorpe>but i'm wondering... is there a way to use ufraw's NR algos on a _non_ raw image? i.e., starting from a jpeg?
06:01<snogglethorpe>i tried just running it on a jpeg file and it didn't like htat... :)
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06:02<debuser4235>probably you forgot to make the filesystem
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06:02<debuser4235>mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdb1
06:04<cahoot>snogglethorpe: try here? http://www.fmwconcepts.com/imagemagick/index.php
06:04<snogglethorpe>cahoot: does it uset he same NR algo ?
06:05<snogglethorpe>cahoot: i did try IM "-despeckle", but it seems not so great
06:05<Monkey_Butt>probably I'm a noob who has no idea what I'm doing. But it works now :) Thanks debuser4235
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06:18<Monkey_Butt>ok debuser4235, last question: What should I put under <options>, <dump>, and <pass> in /etc/fstab ?
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06:20<debuser4235>defaults 0 0
06:21<Monkey_Butt>Thanks again, you are a great help
06:21<debuser4235>perhaps errors=remount-ro
06:21<debuser4235>as options
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06:55<jm_>themill: hey do you mind pyxplot question? I looked in the PDF and I can't see it supporting date/time values for X axis; do you know if it has support for that?
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06:57<themill>jm_: pyx doesn't do date-time stuff that elegantly atm. I think it needs a custom axis parter and texter. I'm almost tempted to write one myself, but I rarely have time series data. http://pyx.sourceforge.net/examples/axis/index.html
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06:58<jm_>themill: ok thanks, ploticus has good support for this
06:59<themill>jm_: yeah. It's a big weakness in pyx but often not used for the use-cases that pyx is designed for
07:00<jm_>themill: it's interesting, I think that's how I discovered ploticus back then - I was searching for graphing tools that support this feature and mostly nothing else did
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07:02<themill>jm_: yeah. openoffice chart is truly appalling for that. istr some of the big expensive plotting packages like origin and sigmaplot being pretty poor at that too. Dates are an irregular thing so partioning the axis needs to be done in interesting and funky ways
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07:03<jm_>themill: I suppose it's easier to handle this in python since one can convert stuff internally
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07:04<themill>jm_: pyx has a very flexible approach to this, yes. You'd just inherit the linear axis class and give it some other funky algorithms for working out where the tick marks should be and for how to format the tick label
07:04<themill>(it's enough work that it really should get merged upstream once it's been done and works ok)
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07:17<davi>How to know what packages suggest the installation of e.g. the apache2 package?
07:18<davi> Is there a way to list them with dpkg or something?
07:18<jm_>apt-cache show apache2
07:20<jm_>other tools that can be used, dpkg-awk, dctrl-tools, dpkg-query
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07:27<themill>!install apache2
07:27<dpkg>Work out what worker you need (apache2-mpm-prefork if you want to use PHP) and install that package. Ask me about <apache2 mpm> for other worker packages; <apache it works> for initial configuration; <install php>, <apache2-ssl-certificate>, <apache overlay>, <apache manual>.
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07:28<themill>oh, other way around.... "aptitude why apache2.2-common" if it's installed
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07:30<jm_>ahh I misunderstood, apt-cahce won't help fo rthat, but dctrol-tools and dpkg-awk will
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07:31<themill>apt-cache rdepends might help, but you'll have to work out which apache2 package to check for
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07:31<user01>its called the X Window Manager right?
07:32<user01>i keep reading these articles calling it X Windows
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07:35<And1>Heya, I'm trying to start a game in my sid-chroot. What does this error message mean: "Couldn't set 1920x1168x0 video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual"?
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07:42<deavid>And1: means that it can't find an appropiate device with opengl support for that resolution; can be because the resolution is too high, because the BPP is wrong, or because you don''t have the appropiate libraries for OpenGL
07:42<And1>I think I don't have the appropritate libraries...
07:42<slush>I'm trying to install lenny on a kinda crippled system, I've put the iso on a usb stick, but it won't boot from usb .. It also won't boot from network and the only install cd I have is broken. Now I booted with win ubcd and tried to load setup.exe from the usb stick, but then it says it cant install on the boot drive (wich obvious is de cd the system booted from)
07:42<slush>any ideas?
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07:43<jm_>slush: you don't just put ISO on USB stick
07:44<slush>i didn't
07:44<antoine>hi
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07:44<famelix__>#salanet
07:44<antoine>know what, i don't need help, I feel anxious about it
07:44<jm_>if you have windows on it you can use grub4dos to boot debian installer, see also www.goodbye-microsoft.com
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07:45<jm_>or with grub2 you can loop mount the iso and boot kernel+initrd from it
07:45<vvas>slush, make another install cd?
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07:45<slush>vvas: no empty cd's (nor rewriteables)
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07:47<slush>jm_: I'll read that site, thanks
07:48<deavid>And1: try glxgears, it is the most simple 3D application; glxinfo is good for debugging
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07:49<And1>deavid: "Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual"
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07:50<deavid>And1: probably you aren't using a video driver with 3D support...
07:50<deavid>i think those are for 3d: intel, radeon, nv, nvidia, fglrx
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07:51<vvas>nv doesn't do 3d, the rest are correct
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07:51<And1>deavid: I'm using nvidia in my not-chroot xorg.conf, there glxgears is working. In my chroot, I'm seeing right no, there isn't a xorg.conf...
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07:52<vvas>well then, set up the nvidia drivers in your chroot as you did with your normal system
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07:54<And1>This happens, when I try to install nvidia-glx: http://pbot.rmdir.de/94f3f1042758de020a471fbad987a1e7
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07:54<famelix>#salanet
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07:55<user01>oh cool oh cool oh cool i have 13 lenny updates . . . cant wait to see. . .
07:56<vvas>!tell And1 about nvidia
07:56<themill>dpkg: tell user01 about apt-listchanges
07:57<user01>thanks!
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08:01<user01>is there any video card vendor that has supported 3d with open drivers?
08:02<mjk>user01: AMD, AFAIK.
08:02<jm_>it's mostly in works for AMD
08:02<jm_>(for current cards anyway)
08:03<user01>most of my ati cards are being dropped from commercial support
08:03<And1>vvas: I can't find linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686 in my sid chroot.
08:03<ranix>user01: Intel is working on it also
08:04<ranix>user01: it's pretty well along. If AMD and Nvidia don't get their shit together Intel is going to start eclipsing them in graphics
08:04<user01>ok but for the moment i need to enable proprietary drivers for 3d stuff
08:05<jm_>let's hope intel doesn't manage that or you'll be paying like an idiot for it
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08:05<And1>vvas: Only 2.6.30-686, but no nvidia-kernel in this version.
08:05<ranix>jm_: have you seen the price of graphics cards go up by 8x in the past 10 years?
08:06<jm_>ranix: no, they are dropping in price
08:06<koollman>well, intel 3d graphics do work. It's just that they aren't considered 'high performance' graphical chipsets
08:06<vvas>And1: you probably need to get the linux-headers package and its dependencies from the repositories of your normal system and install them into your chroot
08:06<jm_>yes now go ask people who are playing games in windows with that driver and the amount of problems in it - just imagine what will happen when their discrete card gets out
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08:07<And1>vvas: So you mean I should put the lenny repo in my chroot's sources.list?
08:08<vvas>And1: yes (temporarily)
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08:10<And1>vvas: Hmm, it seems there's only 2.6.26-2-686. :/
08:11<ranix>jm_: I don't know about you, but in 2000 I paid something like $60 for my top-of-the-line geforce 2
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08:11<ranix>jm_: top-of-the-line these days is more like $400
08:12<maxb>When does security support for etch stop? Is it precisely 1 year after the release of lenny?
08:12<vvas>And1: time to upgrade your kernel i guess :)
08:13<ranix>hell when it came out, the most beefing card on the market by FAR was the Voodoo Banshee, and it smoked everything else except the millitary training systems by Matrox
08:13<ranix>release price was $120
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08:13<ranix>you can't bs me into believing prices went down on video cards
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08:16<jm_>ranix: impossible, my ti4200 was > $200 back then
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08:16<jm_>and nowadays I paid less for 8800GT in this shithole (ti4200 was bought in USA)
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08:19<ranix>my 6800GT was $300 when it came out
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08:19<vvas><violin>
08:20<ranix>the 8 series is at least three generations old by now
08:20<jm_>yeah go believe marketing ;)
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08:20<jm_>and I didn't buy it now but last year
08:21<ranix>well now it's still $250ish
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08:21<ranix>according to google
08:21*vvas is in no hurry to replace his 8600GT
08:21<ranix>I'm still in no hurry to replace my 7600
08:21<ranix>I think the 800 cards are less value in general than the 600 ones
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08:22<jm_>I sold my box with 7600 silent pipe this year, that was also good value for money
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08:23<vvas>ranix, these days you can get a very good graphics card for $120
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08:24<vvas>(radeon 4850 / geforce 9800 gtx+)
08:24<jm_>indeed, gtx275 is way below 200eur even here
08:24<ranix>200 euros is a shitpile of money
08:24<ranix>for a video card
08:24<vvas>there's no need to spend more, the top-of-the-line cards are for people with more money than common sense
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08:24<jm_>so for us the prices really went down
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08:24<vvas>ranix: $120 doesn't sound good enough then?
08:24<ranix>$120 is alright
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08:25<ranix>I'd prefer to see the 8600 and 9600 for about $60-80 US
08:25<vvas>newegg has 9600gt cards for around $80
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08:25<ranix>euhhh newegg
08:26<ranix>I've been getting stuff off Amazon
08:26<vvas>9600 gso cards are at $60
08:26<vvas>so stop complaining already :-p
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08:27<ranix>so I guess the conclusion is that video card prices haven't really changed
08:27<ranix>there's just a thriving secondary market in ripping off people who don't know any better
08:27<jm_>heh
08:27<ranix>I still got bit by it the only time I spent a ton of cash for a card
08:28<ranix>so I'm bitter
08:28<jm_>dunno, I usually pay about 600-700EUR for a gaming box every now and then, if you only need something for linux 300 gets you an awesome system
08:28<vvas>sounds like a reasonable conclusion to me :)
08:29<ranix>that's a bit much for me
08:29<ranix>I tend to come across parts from the previous generation that I can make into a decent box without trying too hard
08:29<vvas>well, keep in mind that US and EU prices aren't directly comparable
08:29<ranix>I don't understand why that is
08:29<ranix>it makes me angry
08:30<ranix>VAT cannot possibly account for that discrepancy
08:30<ranix>we're talking a 1:1 buying power for euro to dollar
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08:30<ranix>when the euro is worth about 20% more
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08:30<vvas>anyway, enough of this
08:30<vvas>i should point out that this is a Debian support channel
08:30<ranix>sorry, there's nobody in #debian-offtopic
08:31<ranix>:(
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08:34<nextime>Hello. Is there any know issue (and maybe a work around) on lvm2 on deb 5.0.2?
08:34<nextime>ops
08:34<nextime>5.0.1
08:34<nextime>i can see al my lv vg and pv by scanning
08:35<nextime>but vgck nor vgmknodes create the nodes for my lvm fs
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08:36<And1>vvas: Yeah, now I could install nvidia via m-a, thanks. =) Though I thought my lenny would upgrade automagically to a newer kernel, as soon as it's available. =/
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08:40<vvas>And1: if you install the linux-image-2.6-686 metapackage, it does
08:40<vvas>And1: though obviously you still need to reboot into the new kernel once it's installed
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08:41<And1>I'll install this package, thanks. :)
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08:42<themill>you can "m-a a-i -l $KVER build $MODULE" too
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08:52*nextime can't recover he's system cause of lvm
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08:53<nextime>debian:~# lvscan
08:53<nextime> inactive '/dev/system/root' [18.62 GB] inherit
08:53<nextime> inactive '/dev/system/swap' [1.13 GB] inherit
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08:54<nextime>but vgmknodes won't create the nodes...
08:54<zobel>nextime: lvchange -a y root
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08:54<zobel>does that help?
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08:55<zobel>nextime: you need to activate LVs as far as i know
08:55<Plichu>hello everyone
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08:58<nextime>zobel : wtf, too help and automatism in debian make me discard basic things!
08:58<nextime>thanks and sorry for my stupidity!
08:58<zobel>nextime: that is done by default by /etc/init.d/lvm
08:59<zobel>just if you hotplug disks into a machine and rescan the scsi/sata bus, you need to do it manually.
08:59<nextime>zobel : i'm working from a (debian) live to restore a system
09:00<nextime>this is why i need to do that manually
09:00<zobel>that might be, yes.
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09:10<vvas>hm... i'm trying to figure out what's making my /dev/sdb wake up, any ideas on how i could monitor accesses to the device?
09:13<jm_>vvas: block_dump / blktrace
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09:14<jm_>block_dump is explain in laptop-mode.txt kernel docs, and many blog/online posts
09:14<jm_>explained even
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09:23<jaakko>Hi! I'm distributing linux kernel and so I have to distribute the source also. The kernel is 1.2 MB, source 236 MB (.tar). Is it possible to distribute only some parts of kernel source? How can I choose the parts which are actually used?
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09:25<vvas>jaakko: i don't think that would be possible
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09:25<vvas>jaakko: but the GPL gives you flexibility on how to distribute the sources, for example you can simply make them available on some http/ftp site
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09:26<vvas>also, that's what .tar.bz2 is for :)
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09:27<jaakko>vvas: I have to try how small it goes with bz2..
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09:28<ranix>jaakko: FYI, you don't need to distribute the source on your installation media or with your product
09:29<ranix>jaakko: as long as you have procedure in-place to furnish the source upon request, you're clear
09:29<ranix>jaakko: i.e., it can be downloadable from your website, or you can send a development kit CD to a customer/vendor upon phone or written request
09:29<ranix>so it you have space requirements to satisfy, this might be better for you
09:30<ranix>also, you're not required to give the source to anyone to whom you have not distributed the product
09:31<jaakko>ranix: perhaps yes, but then I have to keep all different versions 3 years.. one change in .config, and one more to store 236 MB. And I should also know, which version is needed when someone asks.
09:31<jaakko>ranix: ups, thats not true what I said.. .config does not change kernel source
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09:32<Gekz>compile the kernel with config.gz support
09:32<Gekz>and dont worry about the config
09:32<jaakko>as long as I don't patch or change kernel version, I could keep the same source available.
09:32<ranix>especially if you can pull something like .config from the device to use that
09:32<Gekz>and just make a link to the kernel versiobn
09:32<Gekz>on kernel.org
09:32<Gekz>it's not even slightly hard
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09:32<Gekz>this is a non-issue
09:32<arvind>wats this ??
09:32<ranix>it is very respectful to your customers (if it's a hackable machine) to have a nice development kit downloadable or on CD
09:32<Gekz>your face
09:33<Gekz>:o
09:33<arvind>gekz ?
09:33<arvind>i m neww here
09:33<ranix>but you can just say "this is the source ->kernel.org"
09:33<arvind>may i kno wats happnng here ?
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09:33<jaakko>ranix: yes, good point. And actually rare people will ask source, it would be wasting to copy it on every device
09:33<ranix>arvind: chill out
09:34<arvind>ranix
09:34<arvind>wer u from ???
09:34<ranix>!troll
09:34<dpkg>In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. Rule #1: Don't feed the troll. Rule #2: Really, don't feed the troll. Rule #3: See rule #1
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09:34<arvind>warsertdyugfiohjppiuytrdse
09:34<arvind>;ojilyutrsearzsxtydcyufughijo'
09:34<arvind>jhuytrbgveazsxdctfyguhio/.iurywtrahestrdytgiuop
09:34<arvind>rsrevwd\AZSERDTFYUGHPIOJIJFGasBFZDNGX,YJKHUIJ
09:34<arvind>NFEVAZFESXDTFYGUHOUJOSEAVWBFSENXGRDHTFYJGUHIJ
09:34<ranix>!ops arvind is a troll
09:34<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ranix complains about: arvind is a troll
09:34<arvind>UYEERDTFYG.UHIJOLHKGYJDDvFZDGXFHCJVGKHULJ
09:34<arvind>WAT ??
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09:35<ranix>thanks guys
09:35<jaakko>you are right about the kernel :)
09:35<jaakko>but debian it self is more difficult, as it upgrades often
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09:36<jaakko>I can't point them to debian, and I can't store every version
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09:36<vvas>if you use Debian stable, it's not much of a problem
09:36<jaakko>But debian source is smaller than the kernel :D
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09:39<chaos>i installed a generic kernel with debootstrap
09:39<chaos>if i go ahead and replace the mobo/cpu all of a sudden (p4 -> core2) is that going to boot?
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09:40<JustSoul>!paste
09:40<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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09:40<JustSoul>thx
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09:42<vvas>chaos: in general, yes
09:43<vvas>chaos: unless something changes radically, like your boot disk becoming /dev/sda from /dev/hda
09:43<vvas>chaos: (though that can be solved by using UUIDs in fstab)
09:44<chaos>thx
09:45<chaos>i don't think my sata raid can become hdX :)
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10:02<Nazcafan>hello
10:04<Nazcafan>I currently have an issue with today upgrade on my testing box
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10:04<knoppix_>123
10:04<fgh>Einhundertdreiundzwanzig
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10:05<Nazcafan>at session startup, there seems to be a non responding gnome-settings-daemon
10:05<knoppix_>3
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10:08<jidm>hi. i cannot record by michrophone. I enabled it on gnome-volume-control. I can listen to it, but cant record it.
10:08<jidm>i set the mic as the input Capture
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10:09<jidm>and it is not mutted too. im on debian testing
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10:12<Nazcafan>jidm, do you have an up to date debian testing?
10:12<jidm>nazcafan yep
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10:12<Nazcafan>since today's upgrade, I can not hotplug a mouse anymore
10:13<Nazcafan>and I have a gnome-preferences-daemon issue at startup
10:13<jidm>i found this, and this is exactly wat's happening to me https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+bug/299642
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10:35<Cruz>wuoh?
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10:36<hendry>i don't understand debian's default backup user. for example backup user's homedir is /var/backups which backup can't write to?
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10:41<hendry>what a charming bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=122038
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10:43<Toaster>Hurray for magical folders, lol
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10:47<soporte>jygjtvjgv
10:47<telecom>hola karwing
10:47<soporte>pajuo
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10:47<telecom>hola bb
10:47<soporte>perra
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10:48<BlargMaN>can anyone tell me where on the roadmap the 2.6.28+ kernel with ext4 support is
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10:52<adb>BlargMaN: backports has 2.6.30 + ext4
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10:53<cronixx>Heeey
10:53<cronixx>Hab da mal ne kleine Frage
10:53<bja>!de
10:53<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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10:53<BlargMaN>adb: sweet... i guess i will have to get that from the Experimental distro??
10:53<adb>no,
10:54<olet>backports.org
10:54<olet>:)
10:54<adb>dpkg: tell BlargMaN -about backports
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10:54<BlargMaN>olet: adb: sweet... i'll check that out...
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10:58<raph_ael>hi, i've got a problem on a domU lenny that can't find eth0
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10:59<bja>dpkg: tell raph_ael about unix lessons
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11:00<raph_ael>bja: i know all that, i used to have etch dom0/domU which worked without problems
11:02<bja>raph_ael: Check the logs, usually the problems are stated there
11:02<petemc>raph_ael: which networking type are you using?
11:02<raph_ael>petemc: classic bridging
11:03<petemc>using the xen bridging script?
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11:04<raph_ael>petemc: well i think so
11:05<petemc>what is your vif statement in the domU config?
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11:07<raph_ael>(network-script 'network-bridge netdev=eth0') and (vif-script vif-bridge)
11:07<petemc> /etc/xen/scripts/network-bridge status , shows your bridge ok?
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11:08<raph_ael>petemc: oh i didn't knew this, it gives an error 'Device "default" does not exist.'
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11:10<BlargMaN>Just out of curiousity, what is the major difference between *-486 and *-686?? does it matter which one I use??
11:11<raph_ael>BlargMaN: a question of cpu, if you have a modern one, juste use 686
11:11<Slurb>686 has code for pentium class processors 486 is for a 486
11:11<BlargMaN>that's what I thought, and that's how I have always treated those, I just wanted a second opinion... ;-)
11:11<Slurb>if the comp is from the 80's use 486 newer 686
11:12<petern>pentium 2 +
11:12<petern>so... after '97
11:12<Slurb>unless you have a 64 bit processor
11:13<Slurb>then use ia64 or amd64
11:13<petemc>eh?
11:13<raph_ael>petemc: seems like things have changed from etch to lenny, i don't remember having such problems with xen before, and btw thanks for helping
11:13<petemc>Slurb: ia64 is itanium
11:13<petern>anything from the 80s... use something old
11:13<Slurb>i know
11:13<petemc>so dont advise people to use it
11:13<Slurb>i dont know what kind of hardware he has
11:13<petemc>as no one uses itanium
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11:13<Slurb>ok
11:14<raph_ael>ia64 is quite uncommon
11:14<Slurb>i though ia was intel and amd is amd
11:14<Slurb>thought
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11:14<BlargMaN>the itanium was just a waste of time and money... it never caught on...
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11:15<BlargMaN>amd64 -> amd or intel... amd had the 64bit first, so that's why amd64 stuck... that's what we all knew it as... but it also works for intel 64bit procs...
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11:16<petemc>raph_ael: make sure you have an uncommented line in the domU config, then run /etc/xen/scripts/network-bridge start
11:16<BurdWork>Just kind of curious here.. Out of 4 Debian servers (all etch) 2 are getting a new kernel.. any ideas why this would happen on half of them?
11:17<petemc>raph_ael: i have vif = [' bridge=xenbr0' ]
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11:17<BlargMaN>ok... so now that I have that downloaded, is there anyway to use that as the kernel package in the debian-installer?? or am i gonna have to upgrade after the install??
11:17<raph_ael>petemc: in the xxx.cfg ?
11:17<petemc>yes
11:17<raph_ael>starting the network-bridge just hanged my server
11:18<raph_ael>petemc: i already have vif=['ip=xx.xx,mac=xx:xx']
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11:38<amdgoon>hello. I was just curious about the mkxauth command. Is that command functionality built into xauth for debian distro's. Is it a redhat specific command?
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11:41<valdyn>BurdWork: you need to tell us which upgrade happened
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11:46<ninjafury>On my aether amd64 laptop, I can't adjust volume in mozilla-mplayer firefox plugin. Any ideas on fixing this?
11:47<ninjafury>I click on the volume icon in the mplayer plugin but nothing happens
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11:52<valdyn>mplayer plugin has an icon?
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11:55<themill>dpkg, when will squeeze release?
11:55<dpkg>Squeeze is anticipated to be released in early 2010 with a freeze starting in December 2009. See http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 and ask me about <squeeze bet>.
11:56<vvas>hm, i thought announcements like this would also get posted on d-d-a?
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11:58<vvas>"[...] and an optimised boot process for better boot performance and reliability."
11:58<vvas>i guess that would explain why insserv became the default in unstable yesterday :)
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11:59<themill>vvas: it went out on debian-announce at least
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11:59<hazard>hello all, can anyone help me with keyboard layout on Debian Lenny, how do I set to UK
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12:03<dr|z3d>hazard: If you're running Gnome, look at your settings menu.
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12:03<rumbarg_>hazard: probably need to specify kde / gnome / whatever
12:04<vvas>ah, i'm not on that one
12:04<hazard>xfce
12:04<amdgoon>hazard: for X?
12:04<hazard>yes
12:04<dr|z3d>hazard: Then Xfce's settings..
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12:04<hazard>will check again but i couldnt find thanks anyway
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12:07<vvas>hazard, try "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" too
12:07<vvas>(or is that post-lenny?)
12:07<enouf>hazard: setxkbmap uk
12:07<hazard>enouf, already tried didnt work
12:07<enouf>vvas: nope, but it's for Consolw, not X
12:07<hazard>vvas, lenny
12:07<enouf>er console*
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12:08<amdgoon>hazard: you may need to install xfce4-xkb-plugin.
12:08<amdgoon>apt-cache search xfce4-xkb
12:08<amdgoon>xfce4-xkb-plugin - xkb layout switch plugin for the Xfce4 panel
12:08<vvas>enouf: are you sure? from what i've seen it changes the hal settings that affect the X server since 1.6
12:08<enouf>!keymap
12:08<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
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12:09<enouf>vvas: i haven't - but ok -- besides, if they want to switch keymaps live (system-wide), on the fly, they should edit xorg.xonf
12:10<vvas>X server 1.6 ignores InputDevice sections in xorg.conf
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12:10<enouf>why?
12:10<vvas>because of input hotplugging, it all goes through hal these days
12:10<enouf>it just keeps getting better and better ...
12:11<enouf>vvas: not when i pkill console-kit-dea
12:11<enouf>er dae*
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12:11<enouf>all 65 stupid PIDs
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12:13<vvas>enouf: i'm not quite sure how it all actually works myself either
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12:33<enouf>vvas: me neither
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12:34<racecar56>how do i upgrade to debian squeeze from lenny
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12:35<enouf>!tell racecar56 about lenny->squeeze
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12:55<racecar56>there is this weird error apt-file always gives me "perl: warning: setting locale failed" what do i do
12:56<Slurb>aptitude install locales
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12:57<racecar56>:D
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13:11<razzia>hi there. can any1 help me upgrading my xbox1 to the new debian release?
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13:13<racecar56>i'm trying to install kde and it says the package isn't found (i'm using my newly upgraded squeeze)
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13:14<razzia>racecar56: check your sources.list
13:14<razzia>open a terminal and apt-get update
13:15<kop>razzia : You should be able to follow the upgrade instructions in the lenny release notes. You're upgrading from etch to lenny, right?
13:15<razzia>yes, but on my xbox is a sarge release installed (2.4x kernel)
13:15<racecar56>razzia: i see a deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free
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13:15<racecar56>razzia: shoudn't that work
13:15<racecar56>razzia: or are there more repos
13:16<kop>razzia : You'll need to upgrade sarge-to-etch first then. The instructions are in the sarge release notes.
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13:16<razzia>and i need a special patch to get it to work.. on the linux-xbox.org site they offer a patch for the 2.6.16 kernel but the tutorial there has mistakes - and i dont know what to do now
13:17<kop>razzia : make-kpkg might help. Dunno.
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13:18<kop>razzia : Maybe the newer kernels don't need a patch and etch and lenny will work fine out of the box? Maybe better ask the xbox folks.
13:19<kop>razzia : Etch runs 2.6.18.
13:19<razzia>kop: okay. i ll give a try
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13:19<kop>razzia : "Giving it a try" sounds dangerous. Perhaps build your own 2.6.18 kernel with make-kpkg and see if it'll boot so you can keep your system as-is and bootable.
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13:20<kop>razzia : Or download the etch installer and see if that will boot, just to try something easy.
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13:21<racecar56>i have the debian (squeeze) repos in my sources.list now how do i get kde
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13:22<ProfOak>racecar56: Have you checked the synaptic package manager?
13:22<ProfOak>Erm, woops
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13:23<racecar56>sorry i crashed
13:23<kostya>Where is Opera cache located?
13:23<racecar56>.opera?
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13:23<racecar56>i don't use that browser so im not sure
13:24<kostya>Yes, Opera.
13:24<racecar56>no i mean like maybe it's ~/.opera
13:24<ProfOak>racecar56: Have you checked the synaptic package manager for KDE?
13:24<racecar56>ProfOak: if i had a package manager...
13:25<racecar56>ProfOak: i'm stuck with twm until i get kde
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13:26<ProfOak>racecar56: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde3.html
13:26<racecar56>ProfOak: kde 4 comes with squeeze right?
13:27<ProfOak>racecar56: The thing is, I'm really bad with debian too, so I'm the wrong person to ask
13:27<racecar56>ProfOak: kk
13:28<kostya>How can I save music listened from Opera? Sorry for my English.
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13:29<cahoot>kostya: in priciple arecord should do
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13:29<alivarapra>hi
13:29<cahoot>s/prciple/theory/
13:30<alivarapra>whos dat
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13:30<alivarapra>hi
13:30<racecar56>hi
13:30<alivarapra>u from
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13:32<racecar56>ProfOak: i found it :D it's kde-full
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13:32<ProfOak>racecar56: Sweet, now you can stop using twm
13:33<racecar56>and now with my terrible internet have to wait for it -_-
13:33<racecar56>ProfOak: yeah twm is pretty plain
13:33<racecar56>ProfOak: but it's better than being stuck with the console
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13:34<ProfOak>racecar56: some would disagree
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13:37<dominik>Abend
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13:37<racecar56>ProfOak: on ancient computers too
13:38<racecar56>ProfOak: like as old as that processor i have from the early 90's :P
13:38<racecar56>ProfOak: but the computer i'm on is very nice and modern :D
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13:38<smith2002>salve
13:39<racecar56>wish i had faster internet than 200kbps :P
13:39<ProfOak>racecar56:hah, Sometimes I like to jump on INX and just mess around. Too bad you can't install it yet. :p
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13:41<racecar56>21min :
13:41<racecar56>:|
13:43<racecar56>i guess i'll open a million sh's inside each other and then when it finishes see how long it takes for them all to go away while pressing ctrl+d :P
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13:44<ProfOak>racecar56: Go watch a tv show, those are about 30 minutes long these days
13:44<razzia>ui.. next problem:
13:44<razzia>scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of 'current_menu' follows non-static declaration scripts/kconfig/lkc.h:63: error: previous declaration of 'current_menu' was here make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/mconf.o] Error 1 make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2
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13:45<razzia>cant start make menuconfig
13:45<racecar56>ProfOak: it took 13 seconds for me to close them all XD
13:45<ProfOak>racecar56: Nice Modern Computer you have
13:45<racecar56>ProfOak: q6600 processor :D
13:46<racecar56>ProfOak: and my screwy computer is very screwy
13:46<racecar56>ProfOak: it's a different one with an amd sempron processor
13:46<racecar56>ProfOak: it's old too
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13:52<aaron_>hi
13:53<aaron_>would anyone assist help me with installing swfdec in lenny
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13:54<ProfOak>aaron_: What's your problem, exactly?
13:54<aaron_>I have used apt-get install swfdec-mozilla
13:54<aaron_>it works under root but not under a user
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13:55<craigevil>aaron_: swfdec sucks, even gnash is better, or if you want flash that works use flashplayer-mozilla from dmm
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13:56<aaron_>video worked on swfdec gnash video never did start
13:56<aaron_>so how do I use swfdec as a normal user account
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13:58<kostya>aaron_: I'm use Adobe Flash Plugin and have no problems.
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13:59<aaron_>was trying to stay open source
13:59<aaron_>so far so good
13:59<aaron_>one of the merits of debian
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14:05<racecar56>:D im done downloading kde-full
14:05<racecar56>it's installing now :D
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14:17<n3lab>re2all
14:17<n3lab>who uses icewm? :)
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14:21<racecar56>i'm a former kubuntu user and i tried out debian squeeze and i feel right at home, :D
14:22<racecar56>yay for squeeze
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14:26<mruwzten>hi, is there a way to make pm-utils use /usr/sbin/hibernate for hibernation?
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14:40<Gothian>Hello !!!! anyone ussing grub2 in SID?
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14:48<fgh>how come iceweasel is so slow? like when i scrolling down etc
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14:49<Gothian>fgh, compared to what?
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14:53<fgh>Gothian: compared to my old debian install
14:54<Gothian>there are a lot of factors that you could check to figure out..... I would start by checking if I had the same versions.... but if it if slow scrolling, there must be the video driver
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14:59<fgh>i might have installed the nvidia drivers for my gf4 card in diferent ways maybe? cant recall how i installed it last time though
15:00<fgh>youtubemovies etc doesnt run smooth :/
15:00<bremner>!tell fgh -about nvdia
15:00<bremner>!tell fgh -about nvidia
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15:01<Gothian>fgh, yes..... I think you are not using the Nvidia driver
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15:03<fgh>uhm, there are so many ways to install them. whats the right one? google gives me alot of ways, too many options :)
15:05<Gothian>fgh, When I had an nvidia card, always used the driver from nvidia.... just make sure you have the source of your kernel installed and read the documentation, you could find a ton of it in google
15:06<bremner>fgh: I thought the message from dpkg was unambigous. Go to the wiki page mentioned, and follow the instructions there? Of course I never used an nvidia card...
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15:08<fgh>yes Gothian google realy gives a ton of hits. bremner, im reading it now thanks :)
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15:09<kop>Yay. I finally figure out how to use irssi, without those window things where I can't see /msg output etc. (Now that bitchx is gone/not in lenny.)
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15:15*kop is still fussing with irssi
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15:19<resmo_>hi
15:19<frank_>has anyone successfully compiled kernel 2.6.30.3 in Lenny? I compile it but cannot install de debs after compilation. Any clues?
15:20<Nemoder>why can't you install the debs?
15:20<Tekno>yes
15:20<resmo_>installed debian with debian 5.0.2 kde iso, but after booting there was no kde...
15:21<frank_>Well, it tells me the file cannot be installed, missing headers or something
15:21<Tekno>http://ruohoranta.fi/files/linux-image-2.6.30.2-eee900.deb
15:21<frank_>I'm trying another compile now and will be able to tell more in a few minutes
15:22<craigevil>why not just get 2.6.30 from backports?
15:22<frank_>Thanks tekno, but is this image only for eeepc?
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15:23<Tekno>yea, and just for eeepc 900
15:23<frank_>well, I wanted to try the new stable release, 2.6.30.3 craigevil...
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15:23<frank_>But maybe I'll try the backports
15:23<kop>resmo_: Hi.
15:23<frank_>I'm currently running an old thinkpad T42
15:24<frank_>I'll wait for the compile to end and will return with more details...
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15:24<craigevil>I have Kernel 2.6.30-3.dmz.1-liquorix-686 i686 but I am on sid
15:24<kop>resmo_: No graphical interface at all?
15:26<resmo_>kop: kdm and twm (or something, never heard before)
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15:27<acknopper>hello
15:27<resmo_>in did install kde-core by console now from this iso...
15:27<resmo_>quite strange
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15:28<resmo_>tasksel I left selected Desktop and Standard
15:28<resmo_>so
15:28<resmo_>no idea what was going wrong
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15:33<enouf>resmo_: tasksel
15:34<enouf>odd
15:34<enouf>install kde-desktop task - for Lenny that is
15:35<resmo_>hmm but this should be the default when i use kde iso, isn't it?
15:35<enouf>resmo_: $ tasksel --task-packages kde-desktop
15:36<enouf>resmo_: well, file a bug? check BTS?
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15:36<resmo_>yep
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15:37<enouf>resmo_: i wonder what would've happened if you passed tasks='standard, kde-desktop'
15:37<fgh>aptitude says nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.26-2-686 is broken and wants to install non-legacy package. my gf4 is legacy, whats this?
15:37<enouf>to the installer boot prompt
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15:37<enouf>like "installgui tasks='standard, kde-desktop'"
15:38<enouf>fgh: broken? aptitude install -f ?
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15:45<aucabarcas>hi, I wonder if somebody has ever worked with wine+winbox under lenny?
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15:55<Guiiks>how can i increase debian's performance ? ( sorry for my english :s )
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15:57<vvas>upgrade the computer it runs on?
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15:59<Guiiks>the computer is old :s
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16:00<bremner>Guiiks: use less fancy software? icewm instead of GNOME or something like that. Depends how willing to learn new software you are.
16:00<Guiiks>and now i've reboot
16:00<Guiiks>an then it blocks at "starting NFS common utilities : statd"
16:01<Guiiks>and then ... failed
16:01<Guiiks>:s
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16:02<mantra>Guiiks: are you even using NFS?
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16:02<Guiiks>no
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16:02<mantra>you can turn it off then
16:02<Guiiks>i was on ubuntu and i've install debian 5 hours ago
16:03<drakeman>Guiiks, ubuntu jaunty?
16:03<Guiiks>no hardy heron
16:03<drakeman>oh, ok! xD
16:05<Guiiks>it's okey now :)
16:05<Guiiks>it works
16:06<binarymutant>how much space would a full mirror of stable take up?
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16:07<dondelelcaro>binarymutant: you can't easily do that
16:08<dondelelcaro>binarymutant: but for a single arch, you're usually talking about 20-30G
16:08<binarymutant>nm I see http://www.debian.org/mirror/size
16:09<binarymutant>dondelelcaro, ty
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16:20<fgh>i have installed nvidia drivers using the wiki but when i run startx i got: (EE) No devices detected.
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16:22<olet>fgh: i'm willing to bet you get more than that
16:22<olet>:)
16:22<olet>!paste
16:22<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
16:22<phorce1>binarymutant: look at the debmirror package
16:23<fgh>no more (EE)'s than that olet
16:23<ricardo>fgh u can try the sidux script
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16:24<olet>fgh: just because it doesn't say (EE) on the line it can still be used to determine what the issue is
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16:28<fgh>olet http://pastebin.com/ff4f9670
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16:30<ricardo>hi , im using the deb. kernel archive n im getting a pack. conflict when upgrading linux-libc-dev , any way of resolving this without changing to testing ? ( am using lenny ) tia.
16:32<amdgoon>fgh: the two lines above the EE line say that the 173.14.09 driver will ignore the 4200 GPU. Does this no mean your h/w is not supported by that nvidia driver?
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16:32<Slurb>got ut3 working on debian amd_64
16:32<Slurb>with wine
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16:34<amdgoon>fgh: The log file messages are suggesting you install the 96.43.xx driver and tells you where to find it.
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16:36<amdgoon>lenny has an nvidia legacy package
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16:39<olet>fgh: which nvidia driver version did you install?
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16:41<Slurb>ricardo: to what version are you upgrading
16:41<aliceinwire>madduck is on irc sometimes ?
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16:42<fgh>olet: aptitude says i have nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686 installed but ofc i want the legacy driver
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16:43<ricardo>slurb , to 2.6.31~rc4~exp...-14037
16:43<fgh>misunderstod the wiki somewhere i guess
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16:43<Slurb>ricardo: thats why its experimental
16:44<Slurb>you'd have to upgrade
16:44<ricardo>Slurb , yeah but its been this way for a while ,thanks tho :)
16:45<Slurb>look in backports
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16:47<ricardo>slurb , also have em in my repo list, they dont seem to have any 2.6.31 yet ,guess ill have to wait
16:47<olet>fgh: yeah what you want is the nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx and nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6-686
16:48<fgh>oops, i didnt see nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx, used the nvidia-glx and that messed things up for apt
16:48<fgh>now X is up running, thanks :)
16:48<olet>assuming you have the -686 kernel of course
16:48<olet>np
16:48<fgh>and what i have leared of this is to read the logs more carefully next time heh
16:48<fgh>learned
16:49<jackyf>aliceinwire: yes
16:49<olet>that is always a good first step :)
16:49<aliceinwire>oh thanks
16:49<aliceinwire>i have to speack with him
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16:50<aliceinwire>please you can say to him to contact me when he come online please
16:51<jthomas_sb>Is anyone familiar with bootcd package? I have a bug, I've reported it but I wonder if there is something that I could do differently http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=539213
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16:52<fgh>uhm and btw, how do i make pastebinit paste from startx output? im too useless to understand man-page
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16:54<jthomas_sb>startx > /path/to/file.txt and then once it crashes or ends, pastebinit /path/to/file.txt
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16:56<woocyfear>hello everybody
16:57<woocyfear>i need some help
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16:58<woocyfear>i have a new hdd in my machine, and i would like to move /var to that hdd and mount the new hdd at /var
16:58<woocyfear>is it possible?
16:59<woocyfear>this is a server, and i want to be sure what i do
17:00<bja>Yes it is posible
17:00<Gathond>woocyfear: yes it is, although you should probably do the copying in single user mode to avoid things writing stuff during the copy process
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17:02<valdyn>woocyfear: that entirely depends on what you are doing in /var
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17:05<jthomas_sb>woocyfear if you have a livecd to use, that may be the best way to go, to avoid using the system at all while you're doing the work
17:05<aliceinwire>how i can upload a packet if im not the maintener and NOR a DD
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17:05<aliceinwire> To actually adopt the package, upload it with your name in its Maintainer: field, and put something like * New maintainer (Closes: #bugnumber) in the changelog of the package in order to automatically close this bug once the package has been installed; where bugnumber has to be replaced with the corresponding bugreport number. Furthermore, before you actually upload a new package with you as the maintain
17:05<aliceinwire> er, you should check if there is a new upstream release and you should try to fix the outstanding bugs.
17:05<aliceinwire>how i can do it ?
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17:18<bja>Networks 101 question, just to be sure 192.168.0.0/16 is private use only right?
17:19<slush>yes, it's class c
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17:19<bja>slush: thx
17:19<slush>which is private :)
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17:20<slush>yw
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17:22<bja>Now, Networks 102, how come i get a bunch of this ip addresses blocked by my firewall facing the internet?
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17:24<locklace>because your provider sucks
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17:24<slush>bja: care to explain that? I'm not sure what you mean
17:24<locklace>btw, http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1918
17:26<bja>slush: I'm doing the boring analisys of firewall rules to optimize them since a pair of users complained about not beeing able to access the corporate server, And looking for their ips i found a few ips comming from this block
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17:28<bja>locklace: thx
17:28<adama>I've lost the ability to print... localhost:631 (CUPS) says: "Filter "pstopxl" for printer "ColorLaserjet" not available: No such file or directory" ...trying to get that file yields: http://pastebin.ca/1511505 what's going on?
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17:31<slush>bja: there could be serveral reasons why they cant get to an server outside your network, thinking about dns, bad cables, wrong settings, etc .. if you are looking in the firewall, look at the output chain of iptables.
17:32<slush>bja: is that block of ips part of your network, to begin with?
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17:32<bja>slush: Well actually the problem was not there but some non registered publick keys. But I was curios why this ips are on the internet exposed part of the firewall
17:32<locklace>because your provider sucks
17:33<bja>good point
17:33<bja>But that is a known bug
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17:34<locklace>specifically, the suck in failing to implement BCP 46 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp46)
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17:36<adama>any ideas about my missing pstopxl file?
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17:39<woocyfear>How can i auto configure kernel?
17:39<woocyfear>because hardware changed
17:40<bja>locklace: thx
17:40<woocyfear>can somebody help me?
17:41<amphi>there is no automagical way of doing that, as far as I know
17:41<amphi>woocyfear: but a debian kernel should Just Work™
17:41<bja>dpkg: tell woocyfear about unix lessons
17:41<adama>woocyfear: what hardware is not working?
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17:41<woocyfear>pcmcia in laptop
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17:42<woocyfear>the hdd was in a desktop machine when i installed linux onto it
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17:43<woocyfear>because my laptop hasn't dvd or cd reader
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17:44<woocyfear>any idea?
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17:45<woocyfear>i'm new in linux
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17:45<amphi>woocyfear: if the card is cardbus, rather than pcmcia, it should show up in lspci after insertion, and ideally, a module should be loaded for it
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17:45<woocyfear>how can i view it?
17:45<bja>woocyfear: you are in for a long and tortous road, gl
17:45<amphi>woocyfear: with the card inserted, do you see it in the output of lspci?
17:47<woocyfear>00:0a.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1410 PC card Cardbus Controller (rev 01)
17:47<woocyfear>that is it?
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17:49<woocyfear>what now?
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17:50<amphi>woocyfear: no, that's the socket controller
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17:52<woocyfear>this? - 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8363/8365 [KT133/KM133 AGP]
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17:53<amphi>woocyfear: no
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17:55<woocyfear>there is no more, which can be that
17:55<woocyfear>what i do now?
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17:55<amphi>ouf, it's long since I wrestled with such stuff
17:56<amphi>do you see anything in your logs when you insert the card?
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17:57<themill>judd pciid 1106:8305
17:58<judd>themill: [1106:8305] is 'VT8363/8365 [KT133/KM133 AGP]' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1106:8305
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18:03<bremner>oops. aptitude doesn't work too well when /var is full. It could be more helpful than just freezing...
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18:51<woocyfear>When i put my wireless card into pcmcia slot, this is in kern.log :
18:51<woocyfear>Jul 29 23:51:41 localhost kernel: [505572.352139] pccard: CardBus card inserted into slot 0
18:51<woocyfear>but not working
18:52<woocyfear>what can i do to get it working
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18:54<woocyfear>and this is in the syslog :
18:54<woocyfear>Jul 30 00:52:01 localhost NetworkManager: <debug> [1248907921.009245] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_104c_9066').
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18:54<woocyfear>can somebody help me<
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18:57<woocyfear>anybody here???
18:59<arw>woocyfear:what kind of card?
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19:00<arw>what kind of pci wireless
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19:01<woocyfear>d-link dwl-g650
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19:02<woocyfear>please help me
19:03<abrotman>!dwl-g650
19:03<dpkg>The DWL-G650 is a Cardbus wireless LAN device manufactured by D-Link. If your device's hardware version is A1 (1260:3890), ask me about <p54>. Otherwise, ask me about <atheros>. For support of the DWL-G650+ or DWL-G650M, ask me about <dwl-g650+> or <dwl-g650m> respectively.
19:03<woocyfear>!dwl-g650+
19:03<dpkg>The DWL-G650+ is a Cardbus wireless LAN device manufactured by D-Link. Revisions A1 and B1 use the Texas Instruments ACX 111 chipset, ask me about <acx111>.
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19:04<woocyfear>!acx111
19:04<dpkg>Texas Instruments' ACX100/ACX111 wireless LAN chipsets are supported by the reverse-engineered acx100/111 drivers. Packaged for Debian as 'acx100-source', installation instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/acx , see also Debian bug #532787. Also me about <acx100 firmware>. Does not support <WPA>. Device matrix: http://acx100.sf.net/matrix.html http://acx100.sf.net/ #acx100 on irc.freenode.net.
19:05<abrotman>!tell woocyfear about msg the bot
19:05<abrotman>guess i shouldn't have started that path
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19:22<adama>Running squeeze, I've lost the ability to print... localhost:631 (CUPS) says: "Filter "pstopxl" for printer "ColorLaserjet" not available: No such file or directory" ...trying to get that file yields: http://pastebin.ca/1511505 what's going on?
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19:25<themill>adama: looks like your apt-file is out of date as that file is definitely not in that package
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19:26<themill>judd info ghostscript-cups
19:27<themill>judd info ghostscript-cups --release squeeze
19:27<judd>themill: ghostscript-cups (text): is optional; Version: 8.64~dfsg-12; Size: 72.1k; Installed: 244k -- The GPL Ghostscript PostScript/PDF interpreter - CUPS filters
19:27<themill>adama: ^^
19:27<themill>http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i386/ghostscript-cups/filelist
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19:31<arriesp>hi
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19:33<Zathras_>Hi. Am I right in the presumption that all PAM session are logged in /var/log/auth ? I have setup SASL/Cyrus/MySQL but get SASL(-) errors and see nothing in that log when trying to connect. Is PAM/SASL actually tried/used to establish a connection?
19:34<Zathras_>*SASL(-1)
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19:36<arriesp>i'm trying to connect my phone by bluetooth
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19:37<arriesp>but i can't. with dmesg i can see the usb, but i can't use it
19:37<arriesp>could someone help me?
19:38<Zathras_>what does usb have to do with bluetooth?
19:38<Zathras_>installed bluez?
19:38<arriesp>yes
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19:39<Zathras_>followed a bluez howto?
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19:40<arriesp>i followed some howtos on internet but it not works
19:40<ranix>!howtos
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19:40<ranix>!howto
19:40<dpkg>hmm... howto is at http://tldp.org/docs.html#howto, or in package doc-linux-text, files end up in /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/ (as .gz files, use 'zless filename.gz' to read them). This is where you _learn_ stuff, or http://howto.tucows.com/ Also http://www.linuxdoc.com/
19:41<ranix>hm
19:41<ranix>that is the wrong factoid
19:41<Zathras_>lol
19:41<themill>!tutorials
19:41<dpkg>A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
19:41<ranix>that was it
19:41<ranix>thanks themill
19:41<themill>:)
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19:42<Zathras_>arriesp, it is not too trivial to give people hints when the amount of information provided comes close to none
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19:43<bremner>!doesn't work
19:43<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
19:43<Zathras_>proper tutorials give also debugging hints so you at least have to know where to look and know what the issue is you are battling
19:43<arriesp>this is my hcitool: Device is not available: No such device
19:43*bremner likes doesn't work
19:44*Zathras_ too ;-)
19:44<arriesp>xD
19:45<arriesp>i can't see bluetoothd, is possible to be that the problem
19:45<arriesp>?
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19:45<Zathras_>1. install tools
19:45<Zathras_>2. config tools
19:45<Zathras_>3. scan for device
19:45<Anthony|TheTechZone>I can't boot into debian.
19:46<Zathras_>4. enable connection on phone
19:46<abrotman>Anthony|TheTechZone: need more details
19:46<Zathras_>5. config connection on machine
19:46<abrotman>Zathras_: stop
19:46<Zathras_>I was about to
19:47<Anthony|TheTechZone>I turn it on, GRUB asks for a name and pass. I logged in and now I see "myusername@localhost:~S"
19:47<themill>that sounds pretty well booted
19:47<bremner>Anthony|TheTechZone: good news, that probably isn't grub
19:48<Anthony|TheTechZone>hmm
19:48<arriesp>i think i have installed the tools, and what i need to config after the install?
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19:48<Anthony|TheTechZone>how do I get the the user interface from there?
19:48<themill>what did you want to see? A nice gui?
19:48<Zathras_>anyone any idea on my PAM issue please?
19:48<arriesp>i don't find anything
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19:48<Anthony|TheTechZone>Yes themill
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19:50<Anthony|TheTechZone>I can't get the GUI
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19:51<Zathras_>startx ?
19:51<Zathras_>assuming you installed and configured it which I doubt
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20:00<fgh>how do i change console font and keymap?
20:02<bremner>Anthony|TheTechZone: do you know what gui you want? (gnome and kde are typical choices)
20:02<Anthony|TheTechZone>gnome
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20:04<Zathras_>Anthony|TheTechZone, have youn installed Gnome & GDM ?
20:04<Anthony|TheTechZone>It never gave an option
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20:05<Anthony|TheTechZone>I could re-install
20:05<Zathras_>no need for that. It's not windows
20:05<Anthony|TheTechZone>lol
20:06<Zathras_>apt-get install gnome
20:06<Zathras_>but you have to be root to be able to do that
20:06<Anthony|TheTechZone>ok
20:07<Zathras_>quess doring install you did not select "desktop" but just "server"
20:07<Zathras_>or something
20:08<Zathras_>*guess during
20:08<Anthony|TheTechZone>I never got the option
20:08<Anthony|TheTechZone>the install looked very srange
20:08<Zathras_>how did you install?
20:09<Anthony|TheTechZone>I hit the install buton
20:09<woocyfear>hello
20:09<fgh>hello
20:09<woocyfear>i want to install my webcam
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20:09<woocyfear>but debian doesn't recognize automatically
20:10<Anthony|TheTechZone>I am going to re-install
20:10<Anthony|TheTechZone>Graphical install?
20:10<woocyfear>and my scanner to
20:10<woocyfear>and my scanner too
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20:10<woocyfear>where do i start
20:11<Zathras_>google?
20:11<Zathras_>for your scanner: try xsane
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20:33<Anthony|TheTechZone>I re-installed and I have the same issue
20:34<Anthony|TheTechZone>I can't seem to install gnome durring the installation.
20:34<bremner>Anthony|TheTechZone: but nobody told you to reinstall, they told you to install gnome. Why not try that?
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20:35<Anthony|TheTechZone>I don't know how to install gnome. the command Zarhras_ gave me didn't work
20:35<Zathras_>Anthony|TheTechZone, did you became user root first?
20:35<Zathras_>try: su -
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20:35<Anthony|TheTechZone>I am logged into the root
20:36<Zathras_>what did you download so you could install?
20:36<Anthony|TheTechZone>the small CD
20:37<Anthony|TheTechZone>Do I need a seperate install CD to install the interface?
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20:37<bremner>what do you mean when you say "apt-get install gnome didn't work"
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20:38<Anthony|TheTechZone>it gave errors
20:39<K0BO-LT>where do you tell "lenny" where to set the display monitor type? Alternitivly where is the xorg.config file?
20:40<ranix>/etc/x11/xorg.conf
20:40<Zathras_>in /etc/X11
20:40<K0BO-LT>etc/X11/xorg.conf is empty
20:40<ranix>although there's some confusion over what xorg.conf actually does these days
20:40*K0BO-LT knods
20:40<K0BO-LT>google failed me
20:40<ranix>!xorg.conf
20:40<ranix>nope, dpkg doesn't know either
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20:40<bremner>!xorg
20:40<dpkg>X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.4. Ask me about <install x> if you are using Debian Etch or later. Ask about <drxx> to reconfigure. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQ #xorg on irc.freenode.net.
20:41<Zathras_>Anthony|TheTechZone, there is no such thing as "errors". If you do not specify we have no idea what the problem might be and you will have no solution: no info = no solution
20:41<ranix>ah
20:41<ranix>!xorg config
20:41<dpkg>From lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Things like resolution are configured by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. As a result, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank but you can feed xorg settings using it still. Use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout and use "X -configure" as a template for your handwritten xorg.conf.
20:41<Anthony|TheTechZone>i will do it again an say what happens exactly
20:41<ranix>!tell Anthony|TheTechZone -about ask
20:42<K0BO-LT>bummer hand made xconfig I'll have to do some reading been awhile
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20:42<torment>?
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20:43<ranix>what does display monitor type mean
20:43<ranix>can it be set with randr, K0BO-LT
20:44<K0BO-LT>looking intergrapgh CRT monitor
20:44<Anthony|TheTechZone>This is what is sais:"E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 permission denied) [next line] E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/) Are you root?"
20:45<K0BO-LT>ranix, what's randr? gui ap?
20:45<Zathras_>no, an X-mechanism, check the web
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20:45<ranix>xrandr
20:45<ranix>!xrandr
20:45<dpkg>methinks xrandr is a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
20:46<K0BO-LT>looing thanks
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20:48<craigevil>K0BO-LT: X -configure will create a xorg.conf.new
20:49<K0BO-LT>yep thats looking like the route I'm going to try
20:50*arriesp bye
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20:54<Anthony|TheTechZone>Do I need to download an iso image with the gnome installer?
20:55<Anthony|TheTechZone>I keep getting this error with the apt-get install gnome command: E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 permission denied) [next line] E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/) Are you root?
20:55<abrotman>are you root ?
20:55<Anthony|TheTechZone>yes
20:56<loudergood> do you have another package manager open?
20:57<Anthony|TheTechZone>no
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20:57<abrotman>does that file exist ?
20:57<Anthony|TheTechZone>Where do I get the package for gnome? I downloaded the "Small CD"
20:57<abrotman>Anthony|TheTechZone: normally you'd configure your network and download it from the internet
20:58<Anthony|TheTechZone>I skipped the network config because it would crash the installation every time.
20:58<Anthony|TheTechZone>I think that may be the issue
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20:59<quma>you downloaded netinst cd?
20:59<Anthony|TheTechZone>yes
20:59<Anthony|TheTechZone>It crashes when I try to detect network adapters
20:59<Anthony|TheTechZone>I could download the full version
21:01<bja>!beer bja
21:01*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for bja
21:01<quma>is your network adapter supported?
21:01<Anthony|TheTechZone>I don't know
21:02<Zathras_>Anthony|TheTechZone, have you checked that the installation CD ISO has the correct md5sum ?
21:02<Anthony|TheTechZone>how?
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21:02<bpun>Anthony|TheTechZone, maybe you have that gui icon app that uses dpkg
21:02<Anthony|TheTechZone>possibly
21:02<bpun>Anthony|TheTechZone, (applet of somesort in systray)
21:03<Anthony|TheTechZone>I have no GUI
21:03*bpun remembers a daemon that takes care of tis
21:03<Anthony|TheTechZone>It looks like dos right now
21:03<bpun>Anthony|TheTechZone, show me your daemon list?
21:03<Anthony|TheTechZone>?
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21:04<bpun>I don't remember the top of my head.. but there's a daemon that is probably using dpkg..
21:04<Anthony|TheTechZone>IDK
21:04<Anthony|TheTechZone>I will download the full install
21:04<Zathras_>bpun, he has a broken minimal install
21:04<bpun>Zathras_, i always use a minimal install
21:04<bpun>nm
21:04<bpun>lol
21:05<bpun>Anthony|TheTechZone, I'd refer to pastebin for anyone to refer to it..
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21:05*bpun has used netinst iso on 4/5 machines
21:06<bpun>Anthony|TheTechZone, to check an md5 sum. u simply run md5sum command
21:06<Anthony|TheTechZone>G2G
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21:06<Zathras_>Anthony|TheTechZone, http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify
21:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 393] by debhelper
21:08<Zathras_>http://www.md5summer.org/
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21:08<bpun>cheap fella..
21:08<bpun>doesn't md5sum, nothing..
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21:09<Zathras_>google for something else then. Plenty of md5sum tools for windows. Mingw is overkill
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21:09<bpun>Zathras_, he gone
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21:09<abrotman>i'm still here!
21:10<Zathras_>lol
21:10<bpun>Zathras_, no, Anthony is gone :)
21:11<bpun>btw, anyone knows of that daemon name that probably uses an applet with dpkg?
21:11<bpun>I have no idea if that's a default thing-- i have done a normal or bloaded install in years...
21:11<bpun> /haven't/have
21:12<bpun>hehe
21:12<bpun>i guess we all debootstrap here
21:12<bpun>:)
21:12<Zathras_>there is a tool which monitors available package updates and allows for downloading/installing them. No idea what it is called
21:12<bpun>Zathras_, it's p* something with fedora crap..
21:13<Zathras_>"update manager" it's called in my menu
21:13<craigevil>apt-cron, update-notifier, etc; a few things but you would have to be running a de/wm which is that poor guys problem
21:13<craigevil>isnt
21:14<Zathras_>guess he will stay on windows or will switch to ubuntu
21:14<bpun>Zathras_, ahh.. i believe it's update-notifier package that does this .. perhaps it was hooking on to dpkg
21:14<Zathras_>it's unlikely he was at a stage that that could have been running
21:15<Zathras_>more than time for me to wonder at the world horizontally
21:15<Zathras_>bye
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21:16<bpun>craigevil, he said he wasn't in gui.. and was using debian's small cd or something
21:16<bpun>Zathras,bye
21:16<bpun>craigevil, it reminds me when i did basic installs long time ago..
21:17<craigevil>yeah thats why i typed on the next line isnt. he tried to use the netinstall ,but without network which would only give him a base install
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21:22<Chrono>Hello
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21:25<Chrono>I want to know whats happening to my Debian OS. 1st time that i installed it with all my things it was using 40% of my disc. Now, i uninstalled a lot of things, and installed a few MegaBytes. Now its using 57% of my HardDisc. I tried deborphan, aptitude clean, and searched a lot of sites. Can anyone help?
21:26<Chrono>I searched a lot of hours, and dont find anything. I need your experience for help
21:26<Nemoder>if you have X setup try baobab
21:26<ex0a>http://paste.debian.net/43000/
21:26<ex0a>not sure how to fix that
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21:27<ophank>i install xen and i reboot my pc than i choose xen kernel in grub but xen kernel not working , please help me
21:27<ex0a>upgrading a [not sure exactly how] out of date server for a friend.. phpmyadmin fails
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21:27<Chrono>Nemoder, what does it do?
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21:28<Nemoder>Chrono: gives a graphical breakdown of disk usage
21:28<Chrono>ok, and i use it to know what to clean?
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21:29<vvas>ophank, the xen kernel is for when you're running it *inside* the xen hypervisor
21:30<Nemoder>it will show you where most of the space is being used up, then you can decide if it's stuff you need or not
21:30<vvas>ex0a: upgrading to what?
21:30<ex0a>just doing apt-get upgrade
21:31<vvas>on what version of Debian
21:31<Chrono>Nemoder, the most used is usr/share usr/src and usr/lib
21:31<Nemoder>what's in usr/src?
21:32<Chrono>some kernels that i tried to compile but doesnt worked
21:32<Nemoder>if you have custom apps you compiled there you can free up a lot of space doing a make clean for them
21:33<ex0a>vvas: lenny i think 1 sec
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21:34<ex0a>vvas: debian_version says 5.0.2
21:34<Chrono>Nemoder Thank you... about usr/share, what important we have there?
21:35<vvas>ex0a: and does sources.list have lenny lines only?
21:35<bpun>ex0a, what are you using with phpmyadmin?
21:35<Nemoder>lots of files apps need, like data sets or graphics or documentation
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21:35<vvas>Chrono, it's inadvisable to try and remove things from /usr/lib and/or /usr/share
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21:36<ex0a>vvas: just says stable
21:36<Nemoder>Chrono: if there is a file/dir you aren't sure about you can run dpkg -S /path/to/file to see what package it is a part of
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21:36<vvas>it's where all applications keep their (architecture dependent, and architecture independent, respectively) data files
21:36<bpun>ex0a, i thought you said phpmyadmin was the problem..
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21:37<ex0a>bpun: it is.. but it's because dkpg can't update it
21:37<ex0a>it's halfway updated
21:37<ex0a>http://paste.debian.net/43000/
21:37*bpun remembers tapping into a lost command related to uname .. but forgets that command's name :o
21:38<Chrono>can i clean up /usr/src after make clean?
21:38<bpun>ex0a, dpkg or apt?
21:38<ex0a>bpun: apt-get upgrade fails
21:38<Chrono>like, cd /usr/src, rm -r *
21:38<ex0a>check paste
21:38<Nemoder>Chrono: if it's a file you created yes, if it's a part of a package it's better to remove the package through apt
21:38<bpun>ex0a, dpkg -C
21:38<vvas>ex0a: dunno, you could try filing a bug report, looks like a genuine bug
21:38<bpun>ex0a, apt-get -f install
21:39<ex0a>subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 20
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21:39<ex0a>should i backup the phpmyadmin dir and try and remove it and reinstall it?
21:39<bpun>ex0a, try as well after (3rd cmd) apt-get dist-upgrade
21:39<ex0a>yeah i have to dist-upgrade
21:40<ex0a>i just was waiting until this was fixed
21:40<ex0a>but i'll try now
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21:40<flower-fa>hallo all
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21:51<Chrono>Nemoder, usr/share/docs . Removing it will afect what?
21:51<abrotman>you'll have no docs .. and pacakges you remove that have files there will be angry
21:51<Nemoder>Chrono: that would break any package that has files there
21:51<Chrono>ok
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21:51<Nemoder>Chrono: some packages have their docs in a separate package that you can remove without problems if you dont need it
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21:52<Nemoder>Chrono: try running aptitude by itself and scrolling through the docs section
21:52<abrotman>he could try deborphan
21:52<Jason1>how do I install a package?
21:52<ex0a>now the latest phpmyadmin isn't letting me or my friend login (either of our servers) after the latest apt-get upgrade
21:52<ex0a>anyone else having this issue?
21:52<Jason1>that is in tar.gz?
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21:53<abrotman>that's not a package
21:53<Nemoder>Jason1: a tar.gz isn't a package, you would have to manually extract it and compile/install it
21:53<Jason1>well
21:53<Chrono>how to search only installed packs?
21:54<Jason1>already extracted
21:54<Jason1>now what?
21:54<Nemoder>Chrono: run aptitude without parameters and go down to the installed packages section
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21:54<Chrono>(i had deborphaned all packages (that i dont use) and all config files of old packages)
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21:56<Jason1>how do I change a directory in terminal?
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21:56<Chrono>no problem with docs... just utils.... About /home/USER/.local/share/trash ? its my trash?
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21:58<Chrono>i dont think that is... i have cleaned my trash and 1.3 GB still there
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22:00<Chrono>About /home/USER/.local/share/trash/expunged . What is it?
22:00<Chrono>can i clean this folder?
22:01<Nemoder>I would say probably but I don't use gnome often and dont know how it would react
22:02<Chrono>ok
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22:07<bpun>Chrono, you like hanging around in trash? what's your problem?
22:08<lginn02>stupid question here lol, does debian 5.0 have a nick name???????
22:08<Chrono>my problem is: Cleaning HardDrive
22:08<Chrono>HardDisk
22:08<bpun>lginn02, see wikipedia
22:08<ex0a>apache2: Syntax error on line 278 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf: No such file or directory
22:08<Chrono>lginn02 Codinome Lenny
22:08<lginn02>k thanks
22:09<Chrono>Lenny
22:09<ex0a>is that a package error or is my system corrupt somehow?
22:09<ex0a>i'm getting that error on two different servers atm
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22:09<ex0a>apache fails to restart if tried
22:09<lginn02>umm has anyone in here use PLayonLinux????
22:09<bpun>ex0a, does /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf exists ?
22:10<Chrono>lginn02, i use Wine
22:10<bpun>lginn02, #linux
22:10<ex0a>bpun: it's listed in the directory but it's empty
22:10<bpun>lginn02, don't piss me
22:10<ex0a>maybe a symlink to a nonexistant file?
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22:11<lginn02>ya i have wine but some games dont work well with it
22:11<bpun>ex0a, well it's empty :)
22:11<bpun>ex0a, maybe it was previously
22:11<lginn02>was just wanting to know if it was any better thats all
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22:12<Jason1>ok do there is a #inkscape room?
22:12<sney`>probably
22:12<Jason1>oh neverm ind
22:12<Chrono>bye guys, thanks for help
22:12<abrotman>on freenode htere is
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22:13<Jason1>only me and someone
22:13<Jason1>2 people
22:13<Jason1>guess I will have to figure out how to find a plugin for inkscape for my debian lenny.
22:13*bpun wonders about non-debian flutter
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22:13<bpun>what the hell is all this?
22:14<bpun>how's helping to play commercial games any good for fsf?
22:14<abrotman>Jason1: #inkscape is on freenode
22:14<Jason1>ok then
22:14<Jason1>thanks anyways
22:15<ex0a>bpun: any idea how i can get phpmyadmin working?
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22:15<bpun>Jason1, < a dude who doesn't even have debian nor how's to do a "cd" command
22:15<bpun>ex0a, nope
22:16<abrotman>ex0a: install it ?
22:16<Jason1>I remembered how now
22:16<abrotman>bpun: be nice .. you were the same way at one time
22:16<Jason1>it is cd /home/jason/foldername
22:16<Jason1>I remember.
22:16<Jason1>bpun, I HAVE Debian lenny.. silly.
22:16<bpun>Jason1, and you type "help" :)
22:16<Jason1>I'm just a newbie.
22:17<bpun>Jason1, good
22:17<Jason1>>.>
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22:17*bpun thinks bash's built-in help command lists common commands
22:18<bpun>Jason1, newbie->http://xinocat.com/refcard/ :)
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22:18<bpun>Jason1, I didn't say rtfm yet!
22:18<bpun>Jason1, I'm messing with ya :)
22:18<Jason1>already printed that
22:18<ex0a>abrotman: i've installed it (and reinstalled it) multiple times..
22:19<ex0a>seems the install package is broken
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22:19<abrotman>ex0a: /msg dpkg confmiss
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22:20<abrotman>sounds like you broke it
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22:22<Jason1>oh well.
22:22<bpun>ex0a, what you can do is apt-get source phpmyadmin and study what's under any sample conf file u may find
22:22<ex0a>that fixed it abrotman
22:22<ex0a>i didn't delete the directories though
22:22<abrotman>sure .. if you say so
22:22<ex0a>it did it automatically on apt-get upgrade
22:22<ex0a>it did it on two servers
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23:34<fulham>Anyone know what kernel version 2.6.26-2 is? i.e. 2.6.26, 2.6.26.1, 2.6.26.2, etc.
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23:37<ru-conc>I'm really sorry - I need help..... I've been installing debian on the laptops for some company directors. open office is inadequate for them, so I've had to install office 2007 in wine for them. On the previous install (of my custom debian version) everything was fine, now whenever I save .doc files it appears to save them ok, but after reboot they won't load. Hexedit before reboot shows they are full of zeroes, oddly though
23:37<ru-conc>abiword and open office will open them before reboot. I've messed with mime.type, but the original hasn't fixed it...Reinstalled wine and office many times and in new user account (suggesting problem is in root system, not user)I'm baffled - any ideas? This is a major headache for me...
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23:38<sney`>ru-conc: maybe it's not syncing the writes before a reboot?
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23:39<ru-conc>how can I check? (just do a sync command before reboot and see?)
23:40<ru-conc>thanks btw
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23:49<ru-conc>ok, no that didn't work. How can OO and abi read it pre-reboot if its garbage at the time of save (according to hexedit) I don't get it....
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23:51<sney`>maybe there's something in the winehq appdb about this
23:52<sney`>seems like it's probably something about how Office saves files
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23:54<ru-conc>yeah already checked winehq - the only thing I found was on the crossover site about the normal.dot template being screwed up - but I've tried differant users and versions of office 2007, no joy. Its so odd - it works fine in previous install, I've screwed something up.
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23:56<ru-conc>I messed with mime.types, removed a few services (samhain, etc) used winepath to open docs automatically into word. I don't why I'm bothering, I want them on linux so I don't have to spend all my time removing their viri. Now I've put on office and flash for them. Whats the point? They might as well just have windows, LOL
23:57<ru-conc>is there a wine irc?
23:57<sney`>!wine
23:57<dpkg>[wine] Wine Is Not an Emulator, an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs. Packaged for Debian. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . The beta Wine packages from lamaresh.net are _not_ supported in #debian. http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ http://www.winehq.org/ #winehq on irc.freenode.net.
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23:57<ru-conc>brilliant, cheers mate
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