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00:21<laber>Help!!!!I just delete my directory like this #rm -rf /usr/local ,Is there any way I can recover it.It`s a misoperation...
00:22<bpun>laber, no!
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00:23<bpun>!rm
00:23<dpkg>rumour has it, rm is used to delete a file (syntax: rm foo), or the Grim File Reaper, or really just a wrapper 'round unlink(2). To prevent accidental deletions, ask me about <safe-rm>. --preserve-root is a default option since GNU coreutils 6.4. Release Manager, the team of people responsible for managing a Debian release. RealMedia (icky proprietary audio/video codecs).
00:23<bpun>!safe-rm
00:23<dpkg>i heard safe-rm is a configurable rm wrapper, intended to prevent the accidental deletion of important files and directories. http://code.google.com/p/safe-rm/ Packaged for Lenny.
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00:25<laber>bpun, So it`s gone !!Never come back...
00:25<deniz_>why doesn't sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup work in debian but it supposedly does in ubuntu? do i need a specific package to be able to enter that command?
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00:26<laber>bpun the file system is ext3
00:27<ru-conc>you'd need to setup sudo - use su instead, and add vboxdrv to boot up modules to load automatically(/etc/modules ?)
00:27<ru-conc>not 'and add' - 'or add'
00:27<laber>Is there any recycle stragedy on debian,,like windows
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00:28<deniz_>ru-conc, i have sudo setup and i didnt understand what you said about vboxdrv, did you mean the modprobe command or adding my user to the group, because i already did those
00:28<deniz_>set up*
00:28<int0r>I wanna upgrade to python 2.6 from 2.5
00:28<int0r>I can't find 2.6 in aptitude
00:28<int0r>source problem?
00:28<bpun>deniz_, dpkg -L virtualbox |less << note any doc directories?
00:28<ru-conc>no - there is a file called modules, add vboxdrv to it and it will load on boot.
00:29<ru-conc>one sec
00:29<bpun>ru-conc, ^^
00:29<ru-conc>nano /etc/modules add vboxdrv
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00:30<bpun>ru-conc, does virtualbox in debian come with a precompiled modules?
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00:30<bpun>laber, with the gnome or kde desktop
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00:30<ru-conc>yeah - add vboxdrv to that file and it will work fine, you don't need anything else
00:30<bpun>laber, if you're a man you don't whine about using -rf with rm
00:30<bpun>laber, otherwise rtfm!
00:31<bpun>laber, you were dumb enough to use -rf and now complain about it
00:32<deniz_>ru-conc, i did and just restarted gnome and still an error http://pastebin.com/m6ce973fc
00:32<laber>bpun Anyway ,,It`s a comfortable way to delete data...
00:32<bpun>laber, use the mouse kid
00:32<bpun>laber, you're not a man
00:33<ru-conc>deniz - is it still asking you to load vboxdrv?
00:33<ru-conc>or another error?
00:33<deniz_>its a lil stupid to argue bout rm -rf, laber next time just do ls and be careful
00:33<mantra>hey vimtutor wont work
00:34<deniz_>ru-conc, same error and still cannot do: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
00:34<bpun>deniz, we're not arguing. maybe you should stick with the mouse too
00:34<mantra>it gives me a blank vim screen with /tmp/tutorwGYKwz at the bottom
00:34<laber>bpun ,there might ways to recover..Impossible is nothing...
00:34<bpun>laber, just stick with the mouse kid, you'll never be able to master the rm command.. never
00:35<ru-conc>den - you need to do su then modprobe -i vboxdrv to load manually. /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup ? never had to do that
00:35<ru-conc>are you using the debian install or a from elsewhere
00:36<ru-conc>i.e. off of synaptic etc
00:36<deniz_>bpun, i cant really help but this might help you get started http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-recover-deleted-files-with-lsof-command.html
00:36<deniz_>oops laber*
00:36<ru-conc>the /etc/modules is correct btw
00:36<deniz_>ru-conc, im using squeeze
00:37<deniz_>wait ill attempt that
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00:38<deniz_>ru-conc, for future reference, do i HAVE to add vboxdrv to /etc/modules
00:38<ru-conc>to load at boot and not be asked to do it manuall, yes. otherwise, just do it before you load each time
00:39<deniz_>how do you just "do it" like temporarily (im assumign thats what you're saying)
00:39<deniz_>and http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/705/screenshotvirtualboxerr.png
00:40<deniz_>i need to load ubuntu 32 and 64 bit in order to respond to this squeeze bug report i made and later i need to use xp on my lenny laptop for school
00:41<ru-conc>open terminal type su, enter root password, type modprobe -i vboxdrv then open virtual box. Only works until you reboot
00:41<deniz_>o i only restarted x
00:41<deniz_>k ill be bak
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00:43<deniz_>ru-conc, same issue as imageshacked
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00:44<ru-conc>sorry saw the error, the vboxdrv error message is differant, I think you need to reinstall vbox
00:45<bpun>deniz, ?
00:45<gsimmons>dpkg: tell deniz_ -about vbox-install squeeze
00:45<deniz_>and then reboot again?
00:45<bpun>deniz, stop saying ubuntu.. head to #ubuntu for "ubuntu"
00:46*bpun never refers to ever fixing squeeze using ubuntu or ubuntu to fixing squeeze
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00:46<ru-conc>shouldn't need, but I'm not using squeeze...so.....
00:46<olasd_>bpun: IIUC, he's trying to run ubuntu inside a virtualbox on a host running squeeze
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00:51<deniz_>gsimmons, error: http://pastebin.com/m6fc496a
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00:55<gsimmons>deniz_: So check the kernel ring buffer (dmesg).
00:55<ru-conc>deniz - try synaptic - completely remove including config - then reinstall (via synaptic) - then terminal su - modprove -i vboxdrv ; also make sure your user is a member of the vbox group.
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00:55<ru-conc>modprobe*
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00:56<ru-conc>modprobe deniz note modprove ;)
00:56<ru-conc>not* this laptop has reall small keys, I'm sorry
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00:57<deniz_>ru-conc, that sounds liek a common mistake for me and it's ok, are you on a netbook? and where did i type modprove?
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00:58<ru-conc>I typed it, don't worry
00:59<deniz_>ooo lol i thought it was me cuz i always do that mistake
00:59<deniz_>k so wait, how do i remove the config files?
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01:00<ru-conc>slect completely remove (including config files) in synaptic
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01:01<ru-conc>i.e. right click over file name in synaptic and then select that
01:02<deniz_>ru-conc, "mark for complete removal"?
01:02<markao>hey guys ... I want to reboot my debian/xfce installation and load only the text mode (not x-windows) ... how can I do it?
01:02<ru-conc>yep
01:02<deniz_>ru-conc, isn't that the equivalent of apt-get remove --purge?
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01:03<ru-conc>yeah,
01:03<deniz_>ru-conc, k so it's reinstalled
01:04<ru-conc>same error?
01:04<deniz_>wait i didn't do anything after reinstalling
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01:05<gsimmons>dpkg: tell markao -about nodm
01:05<deniz_>ru-conc, there is no vboxdrv group in squeeze!
01:05<ru-conc>one mo
01:05<markao>what is nodm?
01:05<deniz_>ru-conc, manually add group and user?
01:06<ru-conc>vboxusers is the group
01:06<deniz_>o ya sorry thats what i meant
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01:07<deniz_>ru-conc, ill restart x, 2 secs
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01:09<deniz_>ru-conc, still doesn't work, ill redo the command given by gsimmons-->dpkg
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01:10<deniz_>gsimmons, did you ask me to post dmesg before?
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01:18<gsimmons>deniz_: I asked you to check it. You will need to remove the existing (non-matching) vboxdrv module from your kernel (modprobe -r vboxdrv), prior to loading the updated vboxdrv and vboxnetflt modules.
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01:25<gecko_>guys, how i include a module in a initrd image after i create it
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01:26<deniz_>gsimmons, ru-conc, I think it's working now i had to do modprobe -r vboxdrv then apt-get update && apt-get install module-assistant virtualbox-ose && m-a a-i virtualbox-ose-source && modprobe vboxdrv ; modprobe vboxnetflt thank you both
01:27<jm_>gecko_: /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
01:27<jm_>gecko_: man mkinitramfs
01:27<gecko_>ty
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01:27<ru-conc>hope it works ok ;)
01:32<deniz_>ru-conc, gsimmons, yes finally! :D but is there a reason why the source code had to be obtained, was there no .deb way to do this?
01:38<gsimmons>deniz_: You're using Squeeze. The pre-built virtualbox-ose kernel modules are often out of sync with virtualbox-ose version in testing.
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01:40<deniz>gsimmons, how would you know if the package in the repositories is "out of sync"?
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01:40<gsimmons>deniz: packages.debian.org, rmadison, etc.
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01:44<deniz>gsimmons, what's rmadison? and i meant more like, don't you just check virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-amd64 and virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.26-2-amd64 and since it's the same version as the kernel, it should work? or is that not how you check?
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02:07<indistylo>how can i download some Emerald themes? Pls brief me out on this
02:08<indistylo>how can i download some Emerald themes? Pls brief me out on this
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02:17<indistylo>how can i download some Emerald themes? Pls brief me out on this
02:17<indistylo>how can i download some Emerald themes? Pls brief me out on this
02:17<indistylo>how can i download some Emerald themes? Pls brief me out on this
02:17<indistylo>how can i download some Emerald themes? Pls brief me out on this
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02:26<bollkalle>hello!
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02:28<bollkalle>do you all use debian here?
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02:32<bollkalle>what are you all doing today?
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02:35<bollkalle>good bye I didnt like this place :[
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02:50<sanxiyn>Hi everybody
02:50<john>hello
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02:50<sanxiyn>Is there a conspiracy by Ubuntu to take over Debian? I heard something like that.
02:51<sanxiyn>Eh, synchronizing Debian stable with Ubuntu LTS.
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02:52<john>I have two problems with kde 4 kppp one i have run it with run command and it's not creating a kppprc
02:53<john>thats two
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03:20<Yoda-BZH`Wk>salut/hi
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03:30<toobaz1>Is there a service similar to launchpad PPA for Debian? I mean, a simple hosting for a personal respository?
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03:32<sanxiyn>toobaz1: I don't think so.
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03:33<sanxiyn>toobaz1: On the other hand, I think there's no problem hosting Debian (instead of Ubuntu) packages on launchpad PPA. Is there?
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03:34<toobaz1>sanxiyn: well, probably... but the launchpad help says they are automatically retargeted at a given Ubuntu distribution
03:34<toobaz1>I don't like that too much
03:34<toobaz1>(but if I have no alternatives, I will look there)
03:35<Tekno>morning
03:35<sanxiyn>Well, alternative is you can roll your own APT repository... You can put that on any web hosting.
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03:35<sanxiyn>Put debs and run dpkg-scanpackages yourself.
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03:43<toobaz1>sanxiyn: I'll take a look
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03:49<deniz>Is there a free pdf ebook that has detailed explanations on every single thing about Debian?
03:50<sanxiyn>deniz: I doubt there is even paper book that fits...
03:51<deniz>sanxiyn, ok well how about an ebook that explains all the linux terminal commands in much more detail than the manual with the man command?
03:52<deniz>sanxiyn, if thats also asking for too much, id like some book that explains things like vm.vfs_cache_pressure in a lot of detail as well as like what modules actually are etc, especially how to make .debs out of non-debianized source code and all that
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03:53<deniz>sanxiyn, because all the documentation i found is either not that informative or assumes you know your way around linux very well
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03:54<sanxiyn>deniz: "Running Linux" is often recommended for basic Linux command line and administration.
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03:55<sanxiyn>http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596007607/
03:55<sanxiyn>Running Linux, 5th edition -- A distribution-neutral guides for servers and desktops
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03:59<sanxiyn>deniz: There is also this massive tome by a Debian developer: http://debiansystem.info/
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03:59<sanxiyn>Haven't read it yet. (Running Linux I have read and can recommend.)
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04:01<deniz>but neither are legally free
04:01<sanxiyn>Yup.
04:01<lgruszka>Hi all, I have a problem with my brand-new-shiny-lenny :). I'm using gnome, my GPU is Intel 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller, CPU is quite fast Core2Duo. The problem is that when I want to change window focus, resize window, change desktop, change opened tab in Iceweasel etc. it takes so long (c.a. 1 second). I am also using Vista on this machine and it works much faster.
04:01<deniz>lol but im actually a minor and dont have that much money
04:01<deniz>ok im gonna keep searching and come back
04:02<lgruszka>firstly i checked the gpu drivers, but glxgears have ~1300FPS so it is not a problem.
04:02<sanxiyn>deniz: You mentioned making .deb out of upstream source
04:02<lgruszka>what else can be a reason?
04:02<sanxiyn>deniz: Then you should go to http://www.debian.org/devel/
04:03<deniz>sanxiyn, yes but lots of people call me stupid and "yell" at me when i ask questions and read debian documentation because i find it a little too complicated for me, like i want a book that explains hard stuff in a very elaborated way but thx
04:03<sanxiyn>deniz: Start from "New Maintainer's Guide". It's pretty friendly.
04:04<sanxiyn>deniz: Indeed stuffs like "Debian Policy Manual" is a hard read. (It is a bit like legal code, and not intended for reading while you study.)
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04:05<sanxiyn>deniz: Also, people should not yell at you :)
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04:06<lgruszka>ls
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04:06<lgruszka>sorry :)
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04:06<deniz>i remember readin g that link and finding it tough :( im so stupid :'(
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04:07<deniz>sanxiyn, http://packages.debian.org/sid/ebook-dev-alp this ebook is even in the repositories! i hope its wat i need
04:07<sanxiyn>deniz: It probably isn't...
04:08<ghantoos>lgruszka: may be this can help? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/IntelPerformance
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04:09<deniz>sanxiyn, o lol i just saw "advanced linux programming"
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04:11<lgruszka>ghantoos: I just log into KDE and everything work just fantastic. Even GTK programs are fast
04:11<lgruszka>very fast
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04:11<ghantoos>lgruszka: are you using compiz?
04:11<lgruszka>nope
04:11<ghantoos>oh
04:12<ghantoos>lgruszka: forget the link then, sorry about that
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04:21<twb>How portable is busybox's start-stop-daemon?
04:21<twb>Is it something all busyboxes have, or just Debian's?
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04:24<twb>Hmm, OpenWRT's has is
04:24<twb>*has it
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04:28<sanxiyn>dpkg, tell deniz about package recompile
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04:30<twb>OK, busybox-initramfs on Ubuntu is crippled wrt start-stop-daemon
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04:34<sanxiyn>Ubuntu is crippled.
04:34<twb>I don't dispute that
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05:01<icf7>Is there a way to run the installer from a debootstrap system? I need to install on a machine I can only access via ssh
05:03<jm_>no, installation manual has steps for installing using debootstrap, d-i also supports sshing to it to anwser questions
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05:04<icf7>jm_: Can you give me a pointer to d-i over ssh doc?
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05:05<twb>icf7: unfortunately parts of d-i are still not accessible from a running Debian install. I believe fixing that is a long-term goal.
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05:07<icf7>twb: Thanks. Well, I guess manual configuration is always an option.
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05:08<jm_>icf7: unfortunatelly not, try to google it - some architectures (like arm) only supprot this method
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05:08<jm_>support*
05:08<jm_>you just pass parameters to installer ala preseeding
05:09<icf7>jm_: Well, how do I get the installer installed in the first place?
05:09<twb>It knots my guts trying to get GRUB installed when doing an appendix B install
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05:09<css91>hola
05:09<jm_>icf7: you don't install installer
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05:10<icf7>jm_: I don't? Then how exactly am I supposed to execute it?
05:10<jm_>icf7: by booting the kernel + initrd with installer
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05:11<twb>d-i is a boot image that, when booted, does the install.
05:11<twb>cdebootstrap is C program that can be run from another unix system which does a tiny but tedious part of what d-i does.
05:12<twb>It's not clear which of those two you mean by "installer"
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05:12<icf7>twb: Sorry for being so ambigious. I mean the part that configures hostname, package selection, kernel, grub etc.
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05:13<twb>That would be d-i
05:13<twb>Or you do it by hand, which is a massive PITA and definitely not for beginners
05:14<icf7>twb: That's exactly why I wanted d-i. Why isn't it for beginners? Is there anything missing in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en ?
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05:20<twb>d-i *is* for beginner
05:20<twb>d-i *is* for beginners
05:20<twb>*not* using d-i is for gurus and desperate madmen
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05:21<twb>Appendix D.3 is the "not using d-i" method
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05:21<icf7>twb: But the guide is complete, isn't it?
05:21<twb>I suppose so.
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05:25<balazsbela>Hello
05:25<balazsbela>I have problems installing the nvidia drivers
05:25<balazsbela>when I install nvidia-glx
05:25<balazsbela>it removes xserver-xorg
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05:50<kerric>hello, i have a problem with setting locals in apache2 in debian leny, can anyone please help me solvibg problem ?
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05:51<jm_>locals?
05:51<kerric>LANGUAGE = (unset),LC_ALL = (unset),LANG = "pl_PL.UTF-8"
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05:51<kerric>are supported and installed on your system.
05:51<kerric>perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
05:52<laurent>kerric: what is you pb ? did you look at /etc/apache2/conf.d/charset ?
05:53<jm_>did you enable that particular locale?
05:53<jm_>!locales
05:53<dpkg>Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>
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05:54<kerric>i have to install tomcat6, java6, postgresql 8.2, UTF8, pl_PL_ , mod_jk for apache
05:56<kerric>i really have to learn many things
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05:57<twb>mod_jk?
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06:15<vvas>woohoo, emacs 23 is released
06:18<XayOn>emacs sucks, vi rules -> Yo can imagine now, we'll finish talking about filosofy
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06:23<qasimnasr>howto update from local pc other pc
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06:23<tweber>qasimnasr, please explain more verbose
06:24<jm_>apt-zip might help
06:24<qasimnasr>mean i have update one system and want to update from that system others on the lan
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06:24<jm_>or various apt cache front-ends
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06:24<jm_>caching even
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06:25<vvas>jm_, thanks for the blktrace suggestion yesterday BTW
06:25<qasimnasr>tweber: mean i have update one system and want to update from that system others on the lan
06:25<twb>IME they are a major PITA -- if you have the space to run debmirror, do so.
06:25<jm_>vvas: no worries
06:25<vvas>though the disk would still spin up without blktrace printing anything...
06:26<vvas>but i think i've found the culprit, doesn't seem to do that since i killed smartd
06:26<tweber>qasimnasr, if you have the disk and bandwidht for it, you could keep a Debian mirror on the main machine. In that case => debmirror
06:26<tweber>If not, apt-cacher seems to be your best bet.
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06:26<jm_>vvas: hmm how about block_dump method?
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06:27<jm_>ahh yes smartd - that doesn't do anything block related
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06:27<jm_>but you can increase its interval
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06:27<tweber>qasimnasr, http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/10/03/saving-bandwidth-with-apt-cacher-revisited/ for a start
06:27<qasimnasr>tweber: let me listen, i have install ubuntu and run update then upgrade, after all i want update other pcs without internet from that pc
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06:28<vvas>jm_: didn't try it, it looked a bit cumbersome (kill klogd, then monitor dmesg and try to filter out sdb-related lines through the noise)
06:28<tweber>Okay, then apt-cacher is for the future :)
06:28<vvas>while with blktrace you can tell it which device(s) to monitor
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06:29<jm_>yup
06:29<tweber>Right now, the packages lie under /var/cache/apt/archives/ on the main machine
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06:29<tweber>You can create an ad-hoc repository with dpk-scanpackages on your main machine
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06:30<tweber>umpf, that's "dpkg-scanpackages"
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06:35<qasimnasr>tweber: thanks
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06:35<tweber>qasimnasr, no problem. You are probably best off serving the ad-hoc repository via Apache.
06:36<qasimnasr>tweber: let supose i have xubuntu and ubuntu, then wat will be ..........
06:36<tweber>I would still recommend you start setting up apt-cacher or something similar.
06:36<tweber>xubuntu vs ubuntu => no idea, I've never used either.
06:36<qasimnasr>its ok no problem
06:36<qasimnasr>wat about autofs
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06:40<vvas>oh ffs, spammers are harvesting the BTS
06:40<qasimnasr>tweber: will you like to tell me about autofs
06:41<vvas>"[...] My Name Is Victoria I am looking for a very nice man of love, caring, honest, matured, understanding, and of good character, then after going to your profile on this site (bugs.debian.org) pick interest in you, [...]"
06:41<tweber>Never used it. But you are usually best off asking the channel.
06:41<vvas>riiight, she picked interest on my mad bug reporting skills :-p
06:41<qasimnasr>tweber: ok
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06:42<qasimnasr> will anybody like to tell me about autofs
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06:43<carboy87>hi
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07:22<ratt>hi crap
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07:33<Prathibha>while trying net boot installation of debian I am getting bad d-i packages file.. 404 not found. How to solve this?
07:33<twb>404 of what file? A udeb?
07:34<twb>That you're getting a 404 suggests that you have loaded the kernel and ramdisk OK, so check that your chosen repository and http proxy settings are right
07:34<twb>Look at vt4 to see if there's any more detailed info
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07:44<Prathibha>while trying net boot installation of debian I am getting bad d-i packages file.. 404 not found. How to solve this?
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08:33<hrickards>Has anyone here got LiVES 1.0.0 installed? If so, please could you take a screenshot and upload it to bayimg or something, as I'm packaging LiVES and I'm not entirely sure whether it looks right or not. Thanks!
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08:57<tyomer>how do i get grub to mount my root partition as readonly?
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09:10<Prathibha>while trying network installation of debian I am getting bad d-i packages file.. 404 not found. How to solve this?
09:10<shiznatix>Prathibha, try a different mirror
09:11<Prathibha>shiznatix, I tried still getting the same error
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09:11<olet>which mirrors have you tried?
09:11<shiznatix>Hello, I am having a video problem where different colored dashed lines keep showing up on my screen at different places. An example here: http://imagebin.ca/view/Kn8B2k2H.html but if you move a window over them they go away only to reappear in a few seconds. lspci: http://pastebin.com/m2c1db3e5
09:11<Prathibha>ftp.iitm.ac.in
09:12<Prathibha>ft.se.debian.org
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09:12<Prathibha>using what does this error mean, bad d-i packages.
09:12<Prathibha>I also tried a local repository
09:13<olet>did you check your cd for a bad burn?
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09:13<Prathibha>olet, yes
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09:17<tyomer>how do i get grub to mount my root partition as readonly?
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09:18<jm_>tyomer: single user mode
09:18<olet>Prathibha: which cd are you using?
09:19<tyomer>jm_: it's still read/write in single user mode
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09:19<olet>mount -o remount,ro /
09:19<olet>:)
09:19<olet>for tyomer
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09:20<jm_>tyomer: is it?
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09:20<jm_>ahh makes sense, debian starts networking in it which needs write access so it must be
09:20<olet>jm_: yeah i think he's right that it's normaly mounted rw
09:21<jm_>tyomer: init=/bin/bash
09:21<jm_>shows how often I need to use single user mode in Linux, as opposed to other unices ;)
09:21<tyomer>jm_: what does init=/bin/bash do?
09:21<jm_>tyomer: starts bash instead of regular init scripts
09:21<olet>jm_: i would think that still mounts it rw
09:22<olet>could be wrong though
09:22<olet>been a while since i went that way into a system :)
09:22<jm_>olet: nope
09:22<jm_>it gets remounted as rw in init scripts, but I have to run now
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09:25<tyomer>can i use init='/bin/bash -c mount -o remount,ro /'?
09:25<olet>tyomer: that would be unnecesary
09:26<olet>init=/bin/bash would be sufficient
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09:27<tyomer>oh, and can i run both the "mount -o remount,ro" command and the init scripts afterwards (no matter how this works)
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09:35<ducklan>it seems no body talk here
09:35<brother->indeed
09:35<brother->at least not in the 30 second time frame you were looking
09:35<ducklan>yeah
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09:38<tyomer>i can't do anything else if i use init=/bin/bash, so i need a way to also automatically run the init scripts afterwards
09:39<petemc>reboot
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09:39<tyomer>what i want is to run a desktop on a readonly root partition
09:39<petemc>oh
09:39<tyomer>as crazy as it may seem
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09:40<petemc>there are people that have modified debian to run in a ramdisk, you might want to look at that
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09:47<enouf_>debirf?
09:47<enouf_>oh fuck - i got a tail ... again
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09:47<enouf>heh
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09:57<crypto>Hi. I'm installing Debian netinst latest release on old computer: INTEL Pentium III 450MHz, intel 82440BX/ZX, 128 mb ram, 4Gb HDD. After I set keyboard system started checking CD. For a hour CD is working and all hwat i see is blue screen and grey strip on a bottom. Could you please help me? Sorry for my English/
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10:01<crypto000000000>Hi. I'm installing Debian netinst latest release on old computer: INTEL Pentium III 450MHz, intel 82440BX/ZX, 128 mb ram, 4Gb HDD. After I set keyboard system started checking CD. For a hour CD is working and all hwat i see is blue screen and grey strip on a bottom. Could you please help me? Sorry for my English/
10:01<enouf>crypto000000000: latest release?
10:02<crypto000000000>5.0.2
10:02<enouf>crypto000000000: please change your nick .. a bit ;-)
10:02<enouf>ok, so Stable
10:02<enouf>crypto000000000: try acpi=off boot parameter
10:03<enouf>crypto000000000: i'm using a p2 350 with the 440bx set now, as we comm
10:03-!-crypto000000000 is now known as crypto000
10:03<enouf>crypto000: running a .29 debian kernel - .26 and many before worked fine
10:03<enouf>better - thanks
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10:04<crypto000>thanks
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10:05<enouf>crypto000: you _might_ need to also pass it the "install generic.all_generic_ide=1"
10:05<enouf>crypto000: or, "install libata.atapi_enabled=1"
10:06<enouf>but it seems .. wait, whay kb layout are you choosing?
10:06<enouf>crypto000: /msg dpkg check iso
10:06<enouf>listkeys check iso image
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10:06<enouf>er
10:06<enouf>!check iso image
10:06<dpkg>To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD image, see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum
10:07<enouf>crypto000: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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10:07<crypto000>i already checked
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10:08<DSiFreak>hey, i cant use wget without --no-proxy how can i disable this proxy
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10:10<Gluck>äÁ×ÁÊ, ÚÁÓÒÁÎÅÃ, ÐÏËÁÖÉ ÍÎÅ ÐÕÔØ ÎÁ ÒÕÓÓËÉÊ ËÁÎÁÌ äÅÂÉÁÎÁ.
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10:12<voorhees>hey
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10:14<gsimmons>DSiFreak: Proxy usage within wget can be disabled via use_proxy=off in ~/.wgetrc or /etc/wgetrc.
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10:17<DSiFreak>worked! THANKIES
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10:32<o123hallo>hello
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10:33<o123hallo>i have a question. can i install debian without cd. i mean download it, start setup restart install?
10:33<petemc>!setup.exe
10:33<dpkg>setup.exe is probably a way of installing Debian Lenny from windows. It is contained on <CD1>, just insert the CD and let it autorun. You can also use it from a USB install. See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-win32 for more details or see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com
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10:34<DSiFreak>!subversion
10:34<dpkg>hmm... subversion is a compelling replacement for <CVS>: adds atomic commits, file renaming/copying and a very tight network protocol. Read "Version Control with Subversion" online at http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ . Squeeze users: see Debian bug #531338. http://subversion.tigris.org/ #svn on irc.freenode.net.
10:34<DSiFreak>!git
10:34<dpkg>i heard git is a version control system created by Linus Torvalds, currently used to maintain the Linux kernel. http://git-scm.com/ Install the 'git-core' package to provide. http://cworth.org/hgbook-git/tour #git on irc.freenode.net.
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10:34<DSiFreak>cool bot
10:35<craigevil>!tell DSiFreak about selftell
10:35<kapal>Hello! Does specifing UUID in grub for raid volumes work on Debian/Lenny Stable's grub? I just cant make it working (putting /dev/md1 as root works fine) any tip appreciated...
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10:39<kapal>Let me rephrase: Has anyone successfully supplied UUID for disk drive in grub on Debian/Lenny?
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10:40<tdobson>hey everyone
10:40<tdobson>when i install mysql-server is uses a ncurses ui to ask me to create a root password. how can i use an arguemnt or something to avoid requiring end user interactin
10:40<tdobson>*interaction
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10:42<nextime>apt-get install debconf-doc && man 5 debconf.conf
10:42<nextime>( or was man 5 debconf? )
10:45<tdobson>correct command.
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10:47<tdobson>still a bit confusd tbh
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10:50<tdobson>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7657981 # helpful
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10:59<DSiFreak>hey, how can i mount a external hdd formatted as ext2 for user access (-o user doesnt wor for me)
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11:00<kapal>DSiFreak: -o user allows user to mount it
11:00<DSiFreak>ah
11:00<kapal>DSiFreak: AFAIK mounting normally and chmod/chown will work
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11:01<olet>there also is an option for it
11:01<olet>i think
11:01<olet>but i don't remember what it is
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11:01<munga>I use cdbs simple-patchsys to handle my patches, but when cleaning up, the patch is reverse before calling make clean leaving junk in my work directory. how can I force to reverse the patch after calling make clean ?
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11:02<DSiFreak>tried 1000k times now worked thanks
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11:05<munga>in other words clean:: is a post-clean action (exectuted after the cdbs clean). how can I specify a pre-clean action ?
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11:12<justfil>how can i list existing groups
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11:23<gsimmons>justfil: getent group
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11:29<bremner>munga: two pieces of advice: 1) avoid cdbs :-) 2) ask packaging questions on #debian-mentors
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11:31<Jason1>how do I delete the directory in root?
11:31<Jason1>I forgot
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11:36<bremner>Jason1: what directory do you want to delete?
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11:39<Jason1>UniConvertor-1.1.4
11:39<Jason1>won't want me to delete that
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11:41<bremner>Jason1: how did that directory get there? before I tell you how to delete it, I want to know what might break.
11:42<Jason1>I tried to extract and install it in debian, but it won't so I have ot delete it
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11:42<bremner>Jason1: rm -rf UniConvertor-1.1.4
11:43<Jason1>it works
11:43<bremner>\o/
11:43<Jason1>!win Jason1
11:43<dpkg>Congratulations, Jason1! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
11:43<Jason1>lol.
11:43<Jason1>ok I think it's time for me to learn more commands
11:46<justfil>gsimmons, too late but thanks anyway
11:46<justfil>!win asd
11:46<dpkg>Congratulations, asd! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro!
11:46<justfil>lol !]win rocks
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11:47<asd>!win dpkg
11:47<dpkg>Congratulations, dpkg! You have won the US presidency!
11:47<asd>!lose justfil
11:47<dpkg>justfil: You Lose.
11:47<dondelelcaro>you can play with the bot in /msg
11:47<justfil>yes, sorry, goodbye (:
11:47<asd>hehe
11:47<Jason1>ok g2g
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11:47<asd>!win asd
11:47<dpkg>Congratulations, asd! You have won a one way ticket to Cleveland!
11:47<asd>noooooo
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11:48<bremner>I guess it doesn't make sense to think about backporting okular to lenny, since it is so closely tied to kde4?
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11:58<jthomas_sb_>Can anyone assist me installing TracNav? Our server (Lenny 5.0.1) had it working with Python 2.4 (default, with Python 2.5 also installed) but TracNav website says to install with 'easy_install-2.5 TracNav" but I get an error, "ImportError: No module named pkg_resources" I cannot seem to figure out (google) how to fix this
11:59<jthomas_sb_>the older version broke with an upgrade to Trac so we need the newer version to get it working again
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12:26<urbinek>hi
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12:27<urbinek>my Atheros wifi card disappear from ifconfig
12:27<urbinek>but i can se it in lspci
12:29<gsimmons>urbinek: Does the interface appear in 'ifconfig -a' output?
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12:29<urbinek>gsimmons: sec
12:30<urbinek>http://89.74.171.161/ifconfig-a.log
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12:30<urbinek>http://89.74.171.161/dmesg.log
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12:30<urbinek>http://89.74.171.161/lspci.log
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12:30<Slurb>urbinek: run iwconfig
12:31<urbinek>it works until todays blackout
12:32<urbinek>http://89.74.171.161/iwconfig.log
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12:33<Belier>hello people! =)
12:33<jthomas_sb_>do you have a newer kernel? madwifi is no longer used, with newer kernels you need ath5k i think (sudo modprobe ath5k)
12:33<jthomas_sb_>urbinek ^^
12:33<debuser4235>check for errors in dmesg, check the root filesystem for errors
12:33<Slurb>ath9k maybe
12:33<Slurb>what kind of card?
12:33<debuser4235>if you had a blackout
12:33<Belier>New debian newbie here! =D
12:33<Slurb>N or G
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12:34<jthomas_sb_>Belier welcome
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12:34<urbinek>jthomas_sb_: i haven't update system for aout 2 months
12:34<Belier>thanks jthomas =)
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12:34<jthomas_sb_>well try that anyways :)
12:34<Belier>can I ask for help? I just mess up my dns's configuration I think ^^U
12:34<debuser4235>urbinek, the message was for you
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12:34<urbinek>debuser4235: i've checket 3 times :)
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12:34<debuser4235>ah...
12:34<rudi_s>!tell Belier about ask
12:35<jthomas_sb_>what did yu DO to the dns, Belier?
12:35<Belier>thanks rudi =D
12:35<Belier>lol
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12:35<urbinek>jthomas_sb_: modprobe ath5k don't help
12:36<Belier>I just install gnome in a remote server, and later on of that, it dont want to resolve DNS's anymore ^^U
12:36<jthomas_sb_>urbinek what does "dmesg |grep -i ath" return ?
12:36<Belier>I just change the "workgroup" (default name) to the name of my domain in that installation
12:36<jthomas_sb_>that shouldn't have messed up much
12:36<urbinek>jthomas_sb_: http://89.74.171.161/dmes-ath.log
12:37<urbinek>Belier: cat /etc/resolv.conf
12:37<Belier>yep, is clean. Only the #comments
12:37<Slurb>urbinek: modprobe should create the interface what kind of card is it G or N
12:37<jthomas_sb_>urbinek those last two lines make me think your card is either fried or not connected to the board propely, or the connector is fried
12:38<Belier>I just google before ask here, but I dont find the answer u.u
12:38<Slurb>urbinek: modprobe should create the interface what kind of card is it G or N
12:38<jthomas_sb_>Belier offtopic, whats up with the ^^U and U.U and alll
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12:38<urbinek>Slurb: g i thing
12:38<urbinek>k*
12:38<urbinek>brb
12:38<Belier>sorry about it, just a canalizer of my anxiety
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12:38<Belier>I will try to avoid it lol
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12:39<urbinek>Slurb: g
12:39<jthomas_sb_>no worry i wondered if it was an emoticon that i don't know, like ;)
12:39<urbinek>Belier: resolv.conf is clean ?
12:39<Belier>there are all emoticons =)
12:39<jthomas_sb_>but what is it meant to represent?
12:40<Slurb>urbinek sounds like the module got fried probly not the hardware reinstall the ath5k
12:40<Belier>^^U = like a drop in from the head, used in comics when a character is "worried" about something, or ashmed
12:40<urbinek>Slurb: i've used madwifi, reinstall it ? (how to reinstall ath5k ~_~?)
12:41<Slurb>urbinek: try sudo modprobe -r ath5k && sudo modprobe ath5k
12:41<jthomas_sb_>Slurb you think the module is broken? you don't think the "probe of 0000:01:02.0 failed with error -16" indicates hardware on urbinek's machine?
12:41<Belier>U_U or u.u = drop eyes, a hopeless mod emoticon =)
12:41<Belier>ok, then I need to see in the resolv.conf the information about my dns's provider?
12:41<jthomas_sb_>new to me... anyways, how is /etc/resolv.conf looking ?
12:41<Belier>just empy. Only coments =)
12:42<urbinek>Slurb: still nothing
12:42<Belier>the resolv.conf have only the # comments =)
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12:42<urbinek>Belier: try this, echo "208.67.222.222" >> /etc/resolv.conf ; echo "208.67.220.220" >> /etc/resolv.conf
12:42<urbinek>openDNS
12:42<Slurb>urbinek: try turning off the computer removing the card and reinstall the card and boot
12:43<jthomas_sb_>Belier put in there (as root) nameserver 208.67.222.222
12:43<Belier>I will use vi =D
12:43<urbinek>jthomas_sb_: first :P
12:43<jthomas_sb_>?
12:43<jthomas_sb_>ah lol
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12:43<jthomas_sb_>but doesn't it need he term 'nameserver' in it?
12:43<urbinek>Slurb: tusn on wihout card ?
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12:43<urbinek>jthomas_sb_: deam T_T
12:44<Belier>needs the nameserver in it? o.o
12:44<Slurb>no just physically remove it and reinstall it
12:44<urbinek>fixed xP echo "nameserver 208.67.222.222" >> /etc/resolv.conf ; echo "nameserver 208.67.220.220" >> /etc/resolv.conf
12:44<Slurb>i cant remember how i got around the same error
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12:44<Belier>I just add it, need to restart?
12:44<Belier>oh oh
12:44<Slurb>i thought it was the card and returned it to the store and got the same error
12:44<urbinek>Belier: no
12:44<Belier>nameserver xD
12:44<Slurb>with the new one
12:45<Slurb>i think i had to recompile the modules
12:45<urbinek>Slurb: i've did it a while ago, i've switch card to other port
12:45<jthomas_sb_>Belier but that info should come from your DHCP server, and manually adding it may get overwritten in the future
12:45<Slurb>the whole kernel in my case
12:45<Belier>weheee!
12:45<Slurb>try compiling the ath9k modules from source
12:45<Belier>now is resolving dns!
12:45<jthomas_sb_>until you reboot
12:46<urbinek>Slurb: any *easy* way to do this
12:46<Belier>I understand (I think) =)
12:46<gsimmons>Slurb: urbinek isn't using a 802.11n device.
12:46<jthomas_sb_>sudo aptitude install module-assistant && sudo m-a prepare && sudo m-a a-i ath5k
12:47<gsimmons>jthomas_sb_: The ath5k module is not packaged separately.
12:47<Belier>now I really (but really) will use some tips of security, if you have some :). A guide from some site for example =D
12:47<urbinek>jthomas_sb_: rolling .. :)
12:47<Slurb>urbinek: get the source from http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download and read the instructions
12:48<jthomas_sb_>urbinek gsimmons said it wouldn't work
12:48<jthomas_sb_>Belier don't use Windows and you're pretty secure from the get go. Make a seperate password for root. make passwords strong and cR4zY!!
12:48<Slurb>urbinek: do you have msn messenger or something?
12:48<urbinek>skype
12:48<Belier>good thing jthomas =D
12:49<Belier>and firewall for debian?
12:49<Slurb>ok
12:49<jthomas_sb_>iptables is pretty much it; there are front ends but you use GNOME (ug!!) so I don't know a front end for that
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12:49<Belier>oh, I understand =D
12:49<Slurb>urbinek: what kernel do you use?
12:49<urbinek>jthomas_sb_: firestarter
12:50<jthomas_sb_>there you go, Belier : firestarter
12:50<urbinek>haruko:/home/urbinek# uname -r >> 2.6.26-1-686
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12:50<Belier>I used firestarter in centos already!
12:50<Belier>cool =)
12:50<Belier>Im a newbie centos person too... but like to learn ;)
12:50<urbinek>Slurb: skype > teh_urbinek
12:51<Slurb>http://wireless.kernel.org/download/compat-wireless-2.6/compat-wireless-old.tar.bz2 get this file
12:51<urbinek>done
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12:51<Slurb>urbinek: and instructions to install are here http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download/compat-wireless-old
12:51<Slurb>very simple
12:52<Slurb>you need the kernel headers
12:52<urbinek>i've got them, brb
12:52<Slurb>so do sudo aptitude install linux-kernel-headers
12:53<Slurb>ok
12:53<urbinek>sudo aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r` you mean :P ?
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12:54<Slurb>linux-kernel-headers is a virtual package
12:54<Slurb>same thing
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12:54<urbinek>good to know, ive got problems with nvidia when kernel is upgrade
12:54<kop>Belier: Check out shorewall for an iptables front-end that's kinda nice.
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12:55<Slurb>urbinek: you will always have to recompile nvidia modules on a kernel upgrade
12:55<Slurb>unless you use the debian drivers
12:55<urbinek>Slurb: no
12:55<kop>Belier: I usually like to work directly with the underlying tools (iptables) but in the case of iptables there's just too many different ways to create the same configuration, which makes it hard to read and maintain. So I've switched to shorewall.
12:55<urbinek>i need only upgrade headers :P
12:55<Slurb>you use the debian driver then
12:56<Belier>shorewall?
12:56<urbinek>i've install it from *.deb packages
12:56<Belier>how is shorwall? =)
12:56<urbinek>179someting
12:56<Belier>is a console front?
12:56<Slurb>173 i think
12:56<Belier>or gnome/kde?
12:56<kop>urbinek: Not having to do system integration is the reason to get all your software from the debian repositories.
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12:57<kop>Belier: Shorewall is a iptables front-end. All text based, although maybe there's a web interface somewhere or some such that uses it.
12:57<Belier>cool! =D
12:57<Belier>I will try it!
12:57<urbinek>kop i know, it just works so i don't play with it
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12:58<urbinek>Slurb: how long will it compile ? it takes forever xD mplayers is quicker xD
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12:58<kop>Belier: I find the website (shorewall.net) the resource I tend to use, but you can also use the locally installed doc package.
12:58<urbinek>compiling mplayer *
12:58<Slurb>lol not too long
12:59<Belier>Im entering in the website!
12:59<kop>!tell Belier -about shorewall
12:59<Belier>and I just install the it with apt-get lol
12:59<Belier>thanks kop lol
12:59<kop>Belier: (aptitude is preferred :)
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13:00<Belier>why aptitude? =)
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13:00<Belier>!tell Belier -about aptitude
13:00<urbinek>cuz > aptitude moo -v
13:01<urbinek>and -vv and -vvv etc... :P
13:01<Belier>oh!
13:01<Belier>but, with aptitude
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13:01<Belier>I see that the most of packages
13:01<urbinek>slush: Building modules, stage 2 ~_~
13:02<Belier>nothing, nothing
13:02<Belier>mi error =$
13:02<kop>!tell Belier -about msg
13:03<kop>!tell Belier -about why aptitude
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13:03<kop>Belier: "nothing, nothing"?
13:04<mezod>he meant "nevermind"
13:04<Belier>mezod is right
13:04<mezod>he literal translated from spanish i think :P
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13:04<Belier>you are right
13:05<Belier>=)
13:05<mezod>:P
13:05<Belier>Argentine guy here
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13:08<urbinek>Belier: what is weather there :P?
13:08<Belier>cold, very cold
13:09<Belier>and a very sunny day :P
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13:10<urbinek>Belier: cold sunny day xD ?
13:10<Belier>yep, exactly lol
13:11<Slurb>urbinek: sorry bout the skype call im having mic issues
13:11<Belier>a very bright sun and very cold wind
13:11<urbinek>Slurb: np
13:11<urbinek>Belier: i envy you ~_~ here hot summer ;/ (poland)
13:12<Belier>you get a combo of sunburn and a cold =D
13:12<urbinek>xD
13:12<urbinek>Slurb: still compiling ..
13:12<Belier>oh! poland, lovely place! (I only see it at photos thou) =)
13:13<urbinek>:D
13:13<bja>Gentlemen -> #debian-offtopic
13:13<urbinek>bja: T_T k
13:13<Belier>sorry =)
13:15<urbinek>i allmost forgot, i've got mdadm raid0 partitions(980GB..), cani reinstall system (downgrade squezee>lenny) without any problems ?
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13:24<Dunge>Hey there, anyone can help me cross-compilling my application for eabi? More details there: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ts-7000/message/15441
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13:28<jthomas_sb_>what is EABI ?
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13:29<Dunge>embedded-application binary interface ... some kind of code architecture for arm processors
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13:30<Slurb>!dpkg squeeze > lenny
13:30<Dunge>developed by debian if I'm not mistaken
13:31<Slurb>can you downgrade by debootstrapping a lenny system over a squeeze root partition?
13:31<bja>Slurb: downgrading afaik is not supported
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13:31<bja>a clean install might be a better option
13:32<jthomas_sb_>agreed
13:36*Dunge cry
13:37<Dunge>We are shipping hundreds of board with etch/oabi/xorg and it takes a few minutes to load the application, and a few seconds on every button press... I want to switch to lenny/eabi/directfb as quick as possible to gain speed but nothing works like it should :(
13:38<urbinek>so i can't save /home and reinstall / ?
13:41<noflash>urbinek/c
13:41<urbinek>que ?
13:41<noflash>that works for me
13:42<noflash>reloading /
13:42<tyomer>how can i fuse two directories?
13:43<urbinek>tyomer: mount --bind /dir /dir
13:43<tyomer>thanks
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14:12<brad>hi all, a question. i am on debian sid, on a late-model mac pro (desktop). periodically i will see a dmesg error regarding irq 20/uhci_hcd. at that point the mouse and keyboard become intolerably slow in response. has anyone experienced something similar? i can't think of a specific thing that causes this random issue
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14:14<b7j0c>hi all, a question. i am on debian sid, on a late-model mac pro (desktop). periodically i will see a dmesg error regarding irq 20/uhci_hcd. at that point the mouse and keyboard become intolerably slow in response. has anyone experienced something similar? i can't think of a specific thing that causes this random issue
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14:15<debuser4235>what's the error message?
14:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 438] by debhelper
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14:17<b7j0c>i've logged on to my ubuntu partition to enter this chat so i don't have the specific text handy, but it just said something to the effect of something unpredictable happening, irq 20/uhci_hcd failing. sorry i don't have the specific dmesg text
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14:17<b7j0c>maybe i should just return when i have the specific text
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14:17<shah16>hello im not getting any audio playback. I've tried many ways, like configurng Alsa, unmuting through alsamixer. here is my lspci output, 00:09.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP73 High Definition Audio (rev a1) any help, please
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14:18<yang>I would like to resolve the dependancy issue with sun-java (or purge it) - http://pastebin.ca/1512523
14:18<cahoot>shah16: cat /proc/asound/cards - only one?
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14:19<shah16>cahoot: thanks for response, and here is the output: 0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
14:19<shah16> HDA NVidia at 0xfebf8000 irq 23
14:20<cahoot>shah16: ok (as root) /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
14:20<urbinek>what is >> [ 279.027362] ath5k_pci: probe of 0000:01:02.0 failed with error -16
14:20<urbinek>?
14:20<urbinek>from demsg
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14:21<urbinek>dmesg *
14:21<debuser4235>yang: why do you want to remove sun-java6-bin?
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14:21<themill>yang: you have other packages that depend on java -- you can't just rip it out like that
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14:21<yang>yes, well , the package is broken
14:22<yang>check the bottom line with "aptitude -f install"
14:22<shah16>cahoot: no luck even after restarting ALSA :(
14:23<cahoot>shah16: you did run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart? no error?
14:23<themill>yang: try "aptitude -f install sun-java6-jre sun-java5-jre_"
14:24<shah16>no error, it displayed "shutting down ALSA, Setting up ALSA.. done" cahoot
14:24<cahoot>shah16: fine - now test sound using: spekaer-test -t wav -c2
14:24<yang>themill: http://pastebin.ca/1512533
14:24<cahoot>err speaker-test etc
14:24<shah16>okay
14:25<themill>yang: time to be more brutal then.... "aptitude -f install sun-java6-jre sun-java5-jre_ sun-java5-bin_" (or just type "_sun-java5-bin" at the Y/n/q/? prompt you have)
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14:26<shah16>cahoot: no sound..
14:27<cahoot>no error either?
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14:28<shah16>cahoot: no error, its displaying something like this.. continuously.. Time per period = 3.050686
14:28<shah16> 0 - Front Left
14:28<shah16> 1 - Front Right
14:28<cahoot>ok ctrl-c to stop it
14:28<shah16>ok
14:29<cahoot>shah16: does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return anything?
14:29<yang>themill: http://pastebin.ca/1512543
14:30<shah16>cahoot: nothing
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14:31<cahoot>shah16: I take it this is a laptop - yes?
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14:31<themill>yang: can you use "update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun" to try to push all the alternatives in the right direction?
14:31<shah16>cahoot: no, it is a desktop PC
14:31<cahoot>shah16: i e no external speakers/cabling involved
14:32<cahoot>shah16: ok doublecheck your cabling
14:32<ml|>i decided to try ext4, so i erased the drive, created partitions: one for /boot=ext3 , /=ext4, /home=ext4 , resintalled grub, then cp the all the data back everything works except for this boot issue, kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.30.3 root=/dev/hda2 <--- works kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30.3 root=/dev/hda1 <--- does not work(get error 15) would like to understand why one works and the other does not
14:32<yang>themill: http://pastebin.ca/1512555
14:33<shah16>external cabling is involved and i triple checked(even i tested those speakers by attaching them to my friends PC), i presume there would be some problem in my soundcard. Any way to confirm that there is a problem in soundcard? cahoot
14:34<themill>yang: your alternatives system seems very unhappy. Having done that, does the previous aptitude command now succeed?
14:34<cahoot>shah16: no good idea - but from alsa's point of view all is as it should be
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14:35<shah16>cahoot: hmm..
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14:35<cahoot>shah16: the only advice I have is to run speaker-test in one terminal, alsamixer in another terminal and systematically try different mixer settings
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14:36<Void>âñåì ïðèâåò ïîìîãèòå êòî òî ñ dial up
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14:37<shah16>cahoot: well, i have one question
14:37<yang>themill: no, http://pastebin.ca/1512560
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14:38<themill>hmmph :(
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14:39<shah16>cahoot: previously there was microsoft XP on this machine. Sound was fine. When i brought to my home, the only thing i changed is, RAM. Is that the reason?
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14:40<shah16>cahoot: this may sound silly, but is this possible?
14:41<themill>yang: can you pastebin the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/java for me?
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14:42<shah16>okay, leaving
14:42<debuser4235>yang: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_thread/thread/fb39f92cb772d6e5/8268ce217e987ff1?#8268ce217e987ff1
14:42<shah16>thanks for your time cahoot ... cheers :)
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14:49<saleh>Hello to all
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14:49<rocky_>hello to saleh ;)
14:50<saleh>there are some problem that always takes my time
14:50<saleh>hi rocky_
14:50<rocky_>lol
14:50<rocky_>well, no way to help unless you tell us
14:50<themill>yang: if I ask google about this problem, your original post now comes up as one of the first hits for it.... that's fast indexing!
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14:50<saleh>can anyone help me how to find the repository needed for package fglrx?
14:51<themill>!fglrx
14:51<dpkg>fglrx is, like, "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the r600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati on irc.freenode.net.
14:51<saleh>what repository should i add?
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14:51<rocky_>lmao @ dpkg
14:52<saleh>oOps! thanks
14:52<rocky_>!fglrx one-liner
14:52<dpkg>Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then: "aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe -r radeon drm && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules". Lenny users: Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and specify 'fglrx' for the driver in the Device section (man xorg.conf). Etch users: Run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select fglrx.
14:52<rocky_>themill, are those things "larts?"
14:52<noflash>!tell rocky_ -about selftell
14:52<saleh>impressive
14:52<saleh>thanks
14:52<rocky_>:S
14:53<noflash>;p
14:53<rocky_>noflash, I was more doing it for saleh
14:53<rocky_>than for myself
14:53<rocky_>(oops, forgot the carridge return rule :S)
14:53<noflash>you can tell the bot to tell him
14:53<saleh>heheh...
14:53<rocky_>well........ ok then!
14:53<saleh>thanks rocky_ too
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14:54<noflash>thank you
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15:11<epsas>wow
15:11<epsas>i am using abiword... and my typing results in backwards text-input
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15:14<epsas>anyone know of a good word processor, aside fro LaTex/OO?
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15:15<rocky_>epsas, I use openoffice
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15:16<rocky_>brb
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15:17<amphi>epsas: LyX? ;) or perhaps abiword
15:17<epsas>heh
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15:22<ranix>hey all, I have a system here with a working hard disk (IDE) and I copied its filesystem to a nearly-identical SATA drive - except, the SATA drive does not have GRUB. How do Install GRUB on my sata drive? Can I do it from the Lenny net install CD?
15:22<ranix>sorry for the boring question
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15:23<ranix>is dpkg's "fixmbr" factoid the right way to go about doing that
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15:25<themill>!reinstall grub
15:25<dpkg>See http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html. Boot a cd like knoppixgrml, mount your disk read/write, (mount boot partition into your / partition if applicable,) mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/device.map). Also ask me about <fixmbr> <rescue mode>
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15:29<ranix_>hm I have ls /dev/sda* shows an sda1
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15:30<ranix_>but in the lenny install CD I am doing "mkdir /target; mount /dev/sda1 /target" and getting "no such file or directory"
15:31<ranix_>are you guys asleep
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15:31<ranix_>oh I thought this was freenode
15:31<ranix_>my fault
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15:35<Slurb>no
15:35<Slurb>just got done playin cod4 though
15:35<acknopper>debian rules!!!
15:36<Slurb>debian does rule
15:37<locklace>!start a distro war
15:37<dpkg>Debian Rulz
15:37<ml|>i decided to try ext4, so i erased the drive, created partitions: one for /boot=ext3 , /=ext4, /home=ext4 , resintalled grub, then cp the all the data back everything works except for this boot issue, kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.30.3 root=/dev/hda2 <--- works but i don't have /vmliuz-2.6.30.3 just a symlink /vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30.3 root=/dev/hda1 <--- does not work(get error 15) would like to understand
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15:38<locklace>ml|: the kernel path is relative to your boot partition
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15:39<ml|>locklace: i made a new boot partition and it gets mounted on /boot
15:40<locklace>the kernel path is relative to the boot partition grub is configured to use
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15:43<ml|>when i reinstalled grub: root (hd0,0) setup (hd0) installs fine does not find /boot
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15:47<debuser4235>question: by redirecting the standard output to a file (dpkg -l > somefile), the result file contains lines that have been trimmed... instead of "ii acpi-support-base 0.109-11 scripts for handling base ACPI events such as the power button" I get "ii acpi-support-base 0.109-11 scripts for handling base ACPI events such a" what could it be?
15:47<vvas>ml|: hm, when you say root=foo, are you talking about the kernel command line option or the grub command?
15:48<vvas>ml|: can you paste your menu.lst somewhere perhaps?
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15:48<ml|>vvas: ok one sec
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16:00<themill>debuser4235: try "COLUMNS=300 dpkg -l > foo". Alternatively, see man dpkg-query and look at the --showformat option. Or use aptitude's powerful search facilities and output formatting /msg dpkg aptitude search
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16:02<ml|>vvas: http://pastebin.com/f4e1f273c
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16:03<stew>debuser4235: and perhaps tell us why you want the output of "dpkg -l", I'm guessing there is a better way to do whatever you are trying to do
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16:04<debuser4235>I want to list all installed packages on 2 systems with debian lenny installed, then compare the 2 lists
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16:05<debuser4235>I have 3 debian lenny systems, only one does that
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16:05<themill>debuser4235: "dpkg --get-selections" might be all you really want to compare.
16:05<vvas>heh, themill beat me to it
16:06<ml|>forgot about that
16:06<vvas>ml|, and which partition is which? (device -> mountpoint)
16:07<debuser4235>thanks for the help
16:07<ml|>vvas: fdisk -l http://pastebin.com/f63fda10e fstab http://pastebin.com/f1b01283b
16:09<debuser4235>boot flag
16:09<debuser4235>for /dev/hda1 ?
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16:10<vvas>ml|: ok, obviously the root=/dev/hda1 bit on kopt is incorrect
16:10<vvas>ml|: but other than that i can't see anything wrong with it
16:10<vvas>oh no wait
16:11<debuser4235>:)
16:11<vvas>you also need to remove "/boot" from all the entries (both kernel and initrd)
16:11<ml|>vvas: yes, but why
16:12<vvas>ah, it's simple
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16:12<vvas>let me explain the grub boot process briefly
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16:13<vvas>when you tell grub, "root (hd0,0)", you tell it where to look for the files referred to by the next commands
16:13<vvas>in this case (hd0,0) is /dev/hda1, your /boot
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16:13<ml|>ok
16:13<vvas>so the next commands need to have paths that *are relative to the root of that partition*
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16:14<debuser4235>the boot flag is not required?
16:14<vvas>debuser4235, no it's irrelevant when grub is installed on the MBR
16:14<debuser4235>ok
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16:15<vvas>ml|: so because your kernels reside in /boot, a.k.a. /dev/hda1, a.k.a. (hd0,0), grub can find them as (hd0,0)/vmlinuz-2.6.30.3 (for example)
16:15<vvas>ml|: does that make sense?
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16:17<vvas>debuser4235: the boot flag would be needed if you had grub installed on the partition, and the MBR had the classic PC MBR boot loader, "transfer control to the boot sector of the active partition"
16:17<vvas>debuser4235: (which can still be found in Debian in package "mbr")
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16:18<debuser4235>thanks
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16:19<ml|>vvas: yes, thank you
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16:20<vvas>ml|: let me know of the outcome :) (and if you have any more problems)
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16:23<ml|>vvas: this works fine kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.30.3 root=/dev/hda2 , see that was the part i did not understand /vmlinuz-2.6.30.3 is in /boot and not in / so i was confused why that works and not /boot/vmlinuz
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16:24<ml|>everything mounts fine and works with ext4
16:24<bja>!congratulate ml|
16:24<dpkg>Good show ml|, you did it!
16:25<vvas>heh, cool
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16:25<ml|>just that grub thing i did not understand
16:25<vvas>yeah, grub can be a bit confusing if you don't know the exact inner workings
16:25<ml|>but now i do thanks to vvas :)
16:25<ml|>!beer vvas
16:25*dpkg pulls out a tasty Dogfishhead 90min IPA for vvas
16:26<ml|>bja: thanks :)
16:26<vvas>mmm, IPA is always good
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16:26<vvas>btw, i would advise not going back to kernels earlier than .30 now that you have ext4
16:26<vvas>plenty of fixes there that might not exist in the previous versions
16:26<ml|>yes, the debian kernel does not boot heh
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16:27<ml|>need to install sid's kernel to replace testing's
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16:27<vvas>aye, probably a good idea
16:28<ml|>i must say grml did a wonderful job :)
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16:28<vvas>grml?
16:29<ml|>!grml
16:29<dpkg>grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ #grml on irc.freenode.net.
16:29<vvas>ah, thanks
16:29<ml|>used ssh to rsync data back
16:30<ml|>and the rest fdisk, e2label, etc.. from within grml
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16:36<vvas>well, it's good that there are early adopters like you, so that by the time we cautious people switch all the bugs will have been squashed :-p
16:36<locklace>!amen
16:36<dpkg>Sing it, sister!
16:38<ml|>heh, will see so far so good, only get a kernel message becuase i still have ext3 enabled to be on the safe side, since ext4 is compatible with ext3
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17:00<bittin>somone know an ncurses CLI xmms2 client that got a Debian package or are easy to compile in Debian?
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17:02<marcel>good evening, i really like how gnome-core comes shipped with lenny. is there a way i can backup the style/configuration of gnome-core?
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17:03<kop>marcel: : apt-get source gnome-core will splatter the source all over your current directory. The configs should be in there.
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17:04<dr|z3d>marcel: Or just backup your home dir, perhaps.
17:04<marcel>kop: thanks ill try it
17:04<marcel>dr|z3d: thanks, but i dont think that will cover all
17:05<deea>hi all. I have one corrupted hdd that I can mount, but gparted sees no data. How can I fix this?
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17:05<kop>deea: Maybe it does not have a partition table on it, the whole drive just has a filesystem?
17:05<marcel>is debian at this time as reliable as lets say freebsd? i have not used any unix distro for years :x
17:06<deea>kop, the hdd has only one ext3 partition on it
17:06<kop>marcel: Debian stable is super reliable.
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17:06<marcel>kop: gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
17:06<marcel>kop: what keyring do i need to install for fetching the sourcE?
17:07<marcel>kop: do you run stabke?
17:07<marcel>kop: s/stabke/stable/
17:07<deea>marcel, nice ...
17:07<kop>marcel: It's not like there are no bugs. But there arn't that many, and they don't change so can be worked around/fixed/etc.
17:07<kop>marcel: I run debian stable and openbsd.
17:07<marcel>kop: nice, why obsd/
17:07<marcel>deea: ?
17:08<deea>marcel, I liked the regex thingy
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17:08<kop>marcel: Has your system been 'aptitude safe-update'ed in a while? Usually that fixes it.
17:09<marcel>kop: ill give it a try
17:09<kop>marcel: It's super secure. Harder to administer though.
17:09<marcel>deea: keke
17:09<deea>kop, so ... what can I do about my hdd?
17:09<marcel>kop: its good a you to let me know apitude instead of apt-get. i think apitude is more nub friendly
17:10<kop>deea: I'm not the expert on repairing partition tables. I assume if gparted sees nothing than the partition table is hozed.
17:10<kop>marcel: You might want the quick docs. See below
17:10<deea>kop, all I want is to resize it and install linux on the smaller one
17:10<kop>!tell marcel -about grounding
17:11<kop>deea: Tell the channel what command you ran and what happened.
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17:12<deea>kop, brnb
17:12<deea>kop, brb(
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17:13<marcel>kop: again thanks
17:13<kop>marcel: No worries.
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17:14<kop>marcel: The other very good thing about OpenBSD is pf, the packet filter. I much prefer it to iptables, which I wrap shorewall around so I don't have to deal with directly.
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17:15<marcel>kop: right. so you use obsd for routing or server perhaps?
17:16<kop>marcel: Firewalling/routing, some public facing network services like dns, etc.
17:16<marcel>kop: yer i understand
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17:16<kop>brb, configuring irssi (or trying to)
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17:17<marcel>keke
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17:19<kop>I'm trying to get irssi to display /msg stuff in the same window as regular traffic, but separate the join and quit messages into another window. I'm starting from the irssi startup howto that has irssi configured to work like ircii, which has SET use_status_window OFF. I've tried turning this on, but it does not seem to do anything.
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17:23<marcel>kop: sorry cant help you there. i checked irssi.org. but that advice you what you already have done.
17:23<marcel>kop: i quess youve already reloaded the config?
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17:24<kop>marcel: Yup. I just don't know enough about the irc protocol (and don't care much) to know what a DCC is or stuff like that, so the docs are a bit of a struggle.
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17:26<marcel>kop: hehe DCC issnt that hard. just read a little about it and you'll understand
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17:26<marcel>kop: do you run 32 bit or 64 bit of debian?
17:26<marcel>im gonno give 64 bit a try if i backuped ~
17:26<marcel>s/gonno/gonna/
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17:27<kop>marcel: Both.
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17:27<marcel>kop: nice, do you have flashplugin for iceweasel running on 64 bit?
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17:28<kop>marcel: I just tried installing gnash the other day. I don't really _want_ flash in my browser, but would like to be able to view things. (I don't even know if sound is working on my box, it did about 3 years ago when I last tried....)
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17:28<marcel>kop: hehe mkay
17:29<marcel>kop: where you from?
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17:30<kop>marcel: Chicago.
17:30<marcel>kop: ok, im from the netherlands
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17:31<marcel>kop: the new debconf issnt far away for you then.. =)
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17:32<vvas>flash works fine on 64-bit BTW
17:33<kop>marcel: That would be nice. Time is tight. :(
17:33<kop>marcel: Where is it?
17:33<marcel>vvas: just by installing flashplugin-nonfree?
17:33<marcel>kop: NY iirc but its in 2010
17:33<kop>marcel: Just installing gnash seems to get me "big vcr start buttons" in iceweasel. Or I think that's what did it.
17:34<marcel>kop: debconf 2009 just have taken place in spain
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17:34<marcel>kop: i quess photos are all over the internet
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17:35<marcel>kop: hehe i coppied ~ to my notebook. but i forgot that the battery whas almost empty. i was half way =)
17:35<marcel>kop: no install to night then hehe
17:35<marcel>kop: what the time in usa?
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17:36<marcel>kop: s/what/whats/
17:36<vvas>marcel: indeed
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17:36<marcel>vvas: sweet
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17:37<kop>16:37
17:37<kop>marcel: But we've got lots of time zones.
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17:37<marcel>kop: hehe yeah i can imagine now hehe srry
17:38<marcel>kop: its 23:38 here or 11:38PM iirc
17:38<marcel>kop: need to work tomorrow xd
17:38<marcel>sorry perhaps a little offtopic for #debian
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17:45<marcel>kop: nice talking to you. im gonna sleep now, bb
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17:50<Coco>Hi, how can i stop the beeps from the pc speaker on my laptop ? I've blactlisted pcspkr in blacklist.conf but it hasn't done anything!
17:50<Coco>I'm going deaf! Help!
17:51<dr|z3d>Coco: Turn off beep in your bios.
17:51<Coco>dr|z3d: is there no other way?
17:52<Coco>i haven't been in my bios before.
17:52<dr|z3d>Sure. Open your laptop and sever the connection twixt speaker and mainboard.
17:52<dr|z3d>Otherwise, try the bios.
17:52*dr|z3d winks.
17:52<dr|z3d>"Now's a good time!"
17:52<dr|z3d>You're looking for "system beep" or similar.
17:52<kop>Coco: The bios is painless. Just _look_ at the whole screen. It will tell you what keys do what. Besides, you get geek points.
17:53<dr|z3d>Have a good look around.
17:53<Coco>Ok thanks, I'll try it.
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17:53<vvas>Coco: you can turn beeps off using setterm for the console and xset for X
17:53<dr|z3d>Coco: There are probably manuals online, if you get confused.
17:54<vvas>i doubt you'll find an option in the BIOS
17:54<Coco>I'm doing "xset b off" but its only temporary
17:54<vvas>well, you can put in your .xsession / desktop environment autostart scripts
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17:55<Coco>vvas: yeah I might try that actually, good idea thanks
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17:55<Coco>if that doesn't work I'll try poking round on the bios.
17:55<Coco>Ok thanks, cya
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18:08<kop>How would I increase the size of the dialog that pops up in iceweasel when I want to bookmark a page?
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18:09<vvas>probably not possible
18:09<vvas>why?
18:10<Tecna>Someone please help me fix my Samba file shares to XP... I keep getting "\\DEBIAN is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permissions."
18:10<kop>vvas: I have an annoying large bookmark tree, and the dialog is tiny when "browse" the tree.
18:10<kop>!tell Tecna -about ask
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18:11<kop>Tecna: If you don't get help here you can also ask on the samba channel, and I've found the samba wiki quite helpful. Me, I poke samba with a stick until it seems to work.
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18:12<kop>!tell Tecna -about paste
18:12<kop>Tecna: A good place to start would be to paste your smb.cnf file (or whatever it's called.)
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18:13<Tecna>I just did. :) http://pastebin.com/d32a49bd8
18:14<Tecna>it's smb.conf, btw
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18:15<kop>Tecna: You could try using smbclient on your debian box to see how it works locally, to start. Also, check the logs (always a good idea.)
18:15<Tecna>what's smbclient?
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18:21<Tecna>kop: this looks like a clue... "[2009/07/30 18:18:33, 1] param/loadparm.c:service_ok(6524)
18:21<Tecna> NOTE: Service imgvid is flagged unavailable."
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18:22<Tecna>but I'm not sure what it's trying to tell me
18:23<Tecna>samba.log is full of that
18:24<kop>Tecna: Is this the right syntax "valid users = anonymous smbguest"? I don't know, but you might look there. (Sorry, am not a samba guy.)
18:24<Tecna>I think so.
18:25<kop>Tecna: For grins, you might try sharing a path without spaces and &s in it.
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18:25<Tecna>yeah, I thought that might have something to do with it, I'll try it now.
18:26<kop>Tecna: Be sure to restart the daemon.
18:26<Tecna>i'm using gadmin-samba to edit, btw.
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18:28<jthomas_sb_>I need to reinstall grub after a restore-whole-OS-from-backup.
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18:29<Tecna>kop: still not working, but I think I found another clue in the logs...
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18:30<jthomas_sb_>I run 'grub-install /dev/sda' and i get an error, 'The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.' The file is there. If I run 'grub' and then in that prompt, 'grub> find boot/grub/stage1' i get 'Error 15: File not found'
18:30<Tecna>kop: http://pastebin.com/d61c5780b <= log.nmbd is full of this.
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18:32<Tecna>thanks for your help, btw.
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18:33<jthomas_sb_>grub> setup (hd0,0) \\ Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... no \\ Error 2: Bad file or directory type
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18:38<Tecna>jthomas_sb_: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=40125&start=0
18:38<Tecna>I hope that helps
18:39<Tecna>is that what you need?
18:40<jthomas_sb_>could be, the resolution there seemt to be to boot from the install CD
18:40<Tecna>yeah, that's what I got from it.
18:40<jthomas_sb_>i was hoping to not have to do that but maybe i am wasting time
18:40<jthomas_sb_>thanks
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18:49<Tecna>GAH!
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18:49<Tecna>Firestarter keeps randmomly closing!
18:49<Brigo>is there a debian hibernate howto?
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18:50<themill>Brigo: install uswsusp and a front end to it (I use kpowersave) and that's about it.
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18:50<themill>Brigo: if you have trouble, /msg dpkg suspend troubleshooting
18:51<Brigo>themill: thanks you
18:51<Brigo> /msg dpkg suspend troubleshooting
18:51<vvas>i use tuxonice and it's great, but it's a bit more involved as you need to patch the kernel
18:51<Susan>laberath minmapping software is not working for me
18:51<vvas>( www.tuxonice.net )
18:51<edbian>When I try to install kvm I get: Setting up kvm (72+dfsg-5~lenny1) ...Your system does not have the CPU extensions required to use KVM. Not doing anything. failed!
18:51<edbian>why?
18:51<edbian>Could someone please explain this to me?
18:52<vvas>edbian: kvm needs hardware virtualisation support from the processor
18:52<vvas>not all processors have that
18:52<vvas>simple, no?
18:52<edbian>I can run virtualbox
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18:52<themill>!xve
18:52<dpkg>[xve] to confirm if your processor supports x86 virtualization extensions: "egrep '^flags.*vmx' /proc/cpuinfo" Note that Intel VT IVT support may be switched off in firmware for some implementations. See also <virtualization>.
18:52<edbian>What is the differencE?
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18:53<vvas>the difference is that kvm *needs* the virtualisation support, it does not work around it if it's not present
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18:54<themill>well... it can fall back to qemu if you want
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18:54<themill>(the kvm userspace program, not the kernel module)
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18:54<Tecna>wtf is this? "***MEMORY-ERROR***: firestarter[3380]: GSlice: assertion failed: sinfo->n_allocated > 0"
18:54<edbian>vvas: I am assuming that kvm is a much more powerful virtualizer than virtual box
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18:56<vvas>by the way, out of curiosity, what is your processor?
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19:03<jthomas_sb_>Tecna didn't work :(
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19:04<vvas>jthomas_sb_: perhaps your device.map is incorrect?
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19:05<jthomas_sb_>where, /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
19:05<vvas>you cannot blindly fix a problem without understanding what causes it
19:05<vvas>/boot/grub/device.map
19:06<jthomas_sb_>it is correct
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19:08<vvas>"If you get an error that says The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly, it probably means that your fstab/mtab is incorrect for some reason and needs to be fixed. These files are /etc/mtab and /etc/fstab. Edit them and make sure they point to the correct partitions, then rerun grub-install."
19:08<vvas>(found this with a simple google search that surely you could have performed yourself)
19:09<EricB>lmgtfy
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19:14<Tecna>I'm making progress on my Samba problem. I no long grt an error on the windows machine, but I still don't see my shares in my server.
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19:16<pde>has anyone succeeded in compiling madwifi drivers for 2.6.30?
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19:18<vvas>and why would you need madwifi, now that the kernel has ath5k / ath9k?
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19:20<ex0a>doesn't 2.6.30 have some exploits not yet patched?
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19:29<Slurb>fixed in 2.6.30.2
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19:32<jthomas_sb_>vvas thanks for the help but i've done hours of google searching; my fstab and mtab files are correct.
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19:35<jthomas_sb_>and this is still not resolved, by the way'
19:36<IAMERROR>hey guys I was wondering if I could get some support on getting my wireless card going I have an Intel Wireless 5100 AGN
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19:37<jthomas_sb_>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=38968m IAMERROR
19:37<edbian>I am considering switching my system from stable to testing. Is testing stable? Is it appropriate to use for a desktop workstation? I read on the site that there aren't "timely security updates from the security team" Is testing unsecure?
19:38<edbian>No Pun Intended
19:38<jthomas_sb_>i use Sid on my desktops and enjoy it fine, Testing is even better
19:38<abrotman>edbian: depends how stable you want it to be
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19:38<edbian>abrotman: So stable that it doesn't inexplicitly crash
19:38<abrotman>edbian: stuff will be more likely be broken .. but in testing, it shouldn't be a severe break (though it does happen some times)
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19:39<edbian>inexplicably*
19:39<abrotman>IAMERROR: /msg dpkg bpo ... /msg dpkg iwl5100
19:39<edbian>abrotman: Does testing introduce feature updates as well as security updates?
19:39<edbian>I recently learned that stable does not offer ANY feature updates.
19:39<abrotman>it has security updates possible .. but i don't think there have been any since lenny released
19:40<edbian>abrotman: What about feature updates?
19:40<abrotman>edbian: stable offers security updates, and RC bug updates .. and backports.org can provide you with feature updates if you wish (and there is volatile, but not a lot of stuff there)
19:40<abrotman>edbian: there are feature updates in testing .. it's the staging area for the next stable release (squeeze)
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19:41<edbian>abrotman: I think what I'm looking for really is backports
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19:41<abrotman>edbian: check backports.org .. see if what you're looking for is updated there .. not everything gets updated
19:41<edbian>How different is lenny + backports from squeeze ?
19:42<abrotman>not everything gets backported
19:42<abrotman>like i don't think there's a backport for the version of gnome that's in squeeze
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19:42<abrotman>edbian: is there a certain program you'd like to be updated ?
19:43<edbian>abrotman: Actually, now that you mention it no. But I see what you're getting at
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19:43<edbian>:P
19:43<edbian>is squeeze very similar to ubuntu 9.04 ?
19:43<abrotman>if you don't have a good reason to leave stable, probably better to stay there
19:43<abrotman>of course .. if you do run testing/unstable, learning to use reportbug is appreciated
19:43<abrotman>edbian: similar how?
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19:44<edbian>abrotman: For example. Right now ubuntu 9.04 does NOT recognize my wifi card out of the box. Debian stable does. If I switch to squeeze can I expect it not to work?
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19:45<edbian>ubuntu is based on debian squeeze. Does that mean it is debian squeeze with a theme and a couple custom apps?
19:45<abrotman>probably depends which wifi card it is .. though currently squeeze has the same kernel as lenny
19:45<edbian>It probably is the kernel
19:45<abrotman>ubuntu is not based on any versoin fo debian ..
19:45<edbian>??
19:46<abrotman>they take a pile of packages from unstable at some point in time .. and then change them (or replace totally) to suit their needs
19:46<edbian>http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/Debian
19:46<edbian>Debian is "the rock upon which Ubuntu is built".
19:46<edbian>Do you think they really change that many packages?
19:46<abrotman>i don't use it .. no idea
19:47<edbian>ic
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19:47<edbian>So bottom line: ubuntu 9.04 is NOT debian unstable
19:47<abrotman>nope
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19:47<themill>common ancestor
19:48<edbian>If I add the backports repo will all the packages be automatically upgraded from it?
19:48<abrotman>nope
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19:49<edbian>Thanks for all of your help!
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19:51<edbian>Is it unheard of to run a system that upgrades to backports?
19:52<abrotman>but you can't really .. it doesn't contain all software
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19:52<edbian>abrotman: Suppose I add the backports repo and upgrade all my software to the latest version in either main or backports.
19:52<edbian>Understand?
19:52<themill>you don't want to do that
19:53<edbian>themill: That's what I'm asking. Is it a bad idea?
19:53<themill>yes, bad idea
19:53<edbian>lol
19:54<edbian>What is up with the flashplugin-nonfree in backports? Is it newer than the one in main? (flash version 10 is in main)
19:54<themill>!backport caveat
19:54<dpkg>Remember that in installing backports, you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs. Ask me about <version chasing>. Also note that you can't rely on backports to patched quickly if vulnerabilities are discovered
19:54<abrotman>there isn't one in main for stable
19:54<abrotman>the adobe flash was removed from stable because it's a pain in the neck
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19:55<edbian>abrotman: The one in contrib then
19:55<abrotman>judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree
19:55<judd>abrotman: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1 sid/contrib: 1:2.6 squeeze/contrib: 1:2.6
19:55<abrotman>see .. not in lenny
19:56<themill>not in lenny and not in main.
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19:56<abrotman>does judd reference volatile?
19:56<abrotman>judd: versions clamav
19:56<judd>abrotman: clamav -- etch: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch16 etch-security: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19 lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1 lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2 etch-volatile: 0.95.2+dfsg-0volatile1 lenny-volatile: 0.95.2+dfsg-1~volatile1 etch-backports: 0.95.2+dfsg-2~bpo40+1 sid: 0.95.2+dfsg-4 squeeze: 0.95.2+dfsg-4
19:56<abrotman>guess it odes
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20:06<stone_>i was installing the powerpc port of debian onto an older G4 the other day. I got to the part where it was going to installt he base system, and it stopped at 1%. I flip over to tty4, and the out says its waiting for I/O from the user on whether or not they should use the 'untrusted source' of the CD. did it every time....any thoughts????
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20:08<vvas>stone_: see if you can create/modify /etc/apt/apt.conf before it reaches this point to contain the following line:
20:08<vvas>APT::Authentication::TrustCDROM "true";
20:08<vvas>but this sounds like a genuine bug, very strange that it's doing this to you
20:08<stone_>sweet! i found a bug!
20:08<stone_>:-)
20:09<vvas>heh
20:09<themill>!5% error
20:09<dpkg>from memory, 5% error is d-i stopping at 5%? Boot the installer with `linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like. Since <etch> has been released, you should be downloading a released version of the installer from debian.org which would not have this problem.
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20:09<themill>(perhaps)
20:10<stone_>this is the latest ppc iso from the site
20:11<stone_>i did kill all the apt process and got back to the selection of what i wanted to do next, but everytime i tried to reinstall the base, i would get a red screen and errors (that i cant remember right now) and the mac i was doing this do just took a dump....
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20:15<vvas>perhaps then this is related to what themill provided: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090523
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20:19<stone_>kind of sounds like it
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20:28<jthomas_sb_>vvas and others who maybe were interested in my Grub errors: a simply mepis 8.0 livecd has a reinstall-grub tool that worke when none others would.
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20:30<vvas>jthomas_sb_: good to hear you've managed to make it work, though that piece of information is of little use otherwise
20:30<jthomas_sb_>vvas whats your deal man?
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20:31<vvas>hm?
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20:31<jthomas_sb_>earlier you were all 'ooh i googled it for you since you didn't, its obviously this error' when i had, and it wasn't; now you're backhanded complement about my getting things up and running again.
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20:35<vvas>when someone comes here with a problem, and it gets fixed, ideally i want to know the root cause of the problem, so that i can advise the next person that encounters the same problem accordingly
20:35<vvas>this has not happened in this case; but as i said, it's good that your problem is fixed
20:36<jthomas_sb_>i agree, i wish that i could tell you the cause.
20:36<vvas>as for the googling comment, i apologise for making assumptions
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20:37<jthomas_sb_>accepted, and sorry for jumping on you. i am tense after this experience. anyways, the debin net_install cd has a repair mode which wouldn't fix grub (it said it did, but did not). the mepis cd did reinstall properly, not sure what is different on that tool, but it worked. renamed all my Title lines to "Mepis 2.6.xxx" but whatever, it worked :)
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20:38<jthomas_sb_>how, i don't know.
20:39<vvas>oh well
20:39<jthomas_sb_>i'll be looking into that app in a vm to see if its just a script or what
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21:00<l1ars>hello world :-)
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21:03<stone_>hello space
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21:05<l1ars>im a recent convert to camp debian, im a centos refugee
21:05<l1ars>kind of in love with this os
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21:06<bja>l1ars: #debian-offtopic is also available for general chat
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21:08<jackie>sup all
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21:21<vaikz>hello can anybody help me how to install debian from usb stick?
21:22<vaikz>i've got problem not detecting the cdrom.
21:22<abrotman>!usb install
21:22<abrotman>oh jeez
21:22<bja>!moo
21:22<bja>ml|: What did you do to the bot?
21:22<abrotman>bot gone
21:23<bja>snif snif
21:23<jackie>hbmm
21:23<ml|>bja: ;P
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21:23<vaikz>what do you mean by bot?
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21:24<abrotman>http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03
21:24<ml|>dpkg
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21:24<vaikz>so mean noone wa ever had success installing debian from usb?
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21:24<l1ars>i had it go super smooth
21:24<l1ars>i used a tool called unetbootin
21:25<l1ars>which will download the net_inst image and uncompress it to your usb drive and automagically make it bootable
21:25<ml|>vaikz: look at what pasted abrotman or try unetbootin
21:25<vaikz>yup, i did that. it boot w/o problem.
21:26<vaikz>but when it try to check for cdrom then it can't mount
21:26<bja>vaikz: be sure to download the usb image
21:27<bja>it is common mistake to download the cdrom image and "burn" it to the usb, which won't work properly
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21:27<vaikz>i used unetbootin to do that.
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21:28<bja>first time i hear of it sorry can't help
21:28<l1ars>do you have a > 512mb thumbdrive? you could use unetbootin to write the cd1 iso to the thumbdrive in that case..
21:28<bja>l1ars: That I'm sure it won't work
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21:29<vaikz>I have a 1gb stick and use unetbootin and choose option the disk image
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21:32<l1ars>with the latest lenny iso? maybe it was a debian-installer bug that was resolved in one of the point releases
21:33<vaikz>yes... that latest.
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21:41<l1ars>does anyone know the status of the xorg 3d performance bug in Lenny?
21:42<abrotman>the xorg 3d bug ?
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21:43<l1ars>there was a rendering performance regression (not debian's fault) that caused widespread 3d slowdowns using non-proprietary drivers
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21:44<abrotman>havne't noticed
21:45<vvas>i wouldn't stick to lenny for a (non-nvidia) desktop running X
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21:45<l1ars>yeah? would you run testing?
21:46<vvas>the graphics stack has seen a lot of development activity lately, and an intel/ati desktop would benefit greatly from linux 2.6.30 / mesa 7.5 / latest drivers and x server
21:47<vvas>l1ars: all the things i mentioned above already exist in unstable, but yeah i guess they'll migrate (or have migrated already) to testing soon
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21:50<vvas>l1ars: please stick to the channel thanks :)
21:51<l1ars>right. so things have cleaned up a bit in 2.6.30 and with the latest mesa? really eager to get back to playing openarena
21:52<CutMeOwnThroat>abrotman, he's likely to be around?
21:53<abrotman>CutMeOwnThroat: #debian-voip
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21:54<abrotman>CutMeOwnThroat: that said .. he's .de .. might be sleeping
21:55<vvas>yeah, in one of my desktops and my laptop (both with intel graphics), UXA+DRI2 are running smoothly now since last week, hopefully soon we'll have KMS too
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21:56<l1ars>thats fantastic, i hope the next stable release is on time, can't wait to upgrade
21:56<craigevil>was uxa works now?
21:56<CutMeOwnThroat>indeed... very sleepy country, Germany :)
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21:58<vvas>craigevil: *nod*, i've absolutely no issues with it with kernel 2.6.30, driver 2:2.8.0-1 and x server 2:1.6.2.901-1
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22:04<craigevil>nifty seems UXA does work now in sid with newest mesa and xorg> direct rendering: DRI2 Enabled :)
22:05<vvas>:^)
22:05<l1ars>i would sure love to have dri2 and uxa here in debian stable, i cant even play tuxracer the grafx stack is so messed up
22:05<craigevil>just tried openarena and frets on fire no lag and my video is an old intel 810
22:06<l1ars>*sigh*
22:06<craigevil>Graphics: Card Intel 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller X.Org 1.6.2.901 Res: 1280x1024@60.0hz
22:06<craigevil> GLX Renderer Mesa DRI Intel 915G GEM 20090712 2009Q2 RC3 x86/MMX/SSE2 GLX Version 1.4 Mesa 7.5.1 Direct Rendering Yes
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22:08<l1ars>does anyone have experience with openbox + conky
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22:08<Ginux>hola
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22:12*vvas removes the emacs-snapshot repository from sources.list
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22:17<ircDon>ia32-apt-get: Does this overwrite 64 bit packages with 32-bit ones or can both co-exist at the same time?
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23:07<voipzapper>hi
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23:08<voipzapper>i had an odd install of debian and i was condering if anyone had any suggestions
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23:09<stone_>what would you like me to suggest?
23:09<CutMeOwnThroat>I suggest a hammer
23:09<Slurb>voipzapper: poop in the toilet...not the back yard
23:10<CutMeOwnThroat>oh yes... and: "don't eat yellow snow"
23:10<sney>!ask
23:10<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
23:10<stone_>dont put gas in a diesel....
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23:20<drandrew>!last
23:20<dpkg>methinks last is easier ;)
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23:20<CutMeOwnThroat>only perhaps
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23:21<CutMeOwnThroat>har har
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23:23<shah16>Hello, i've just installed Eclipse on Debian 5.0(amd64) but it is giving this error while startup http://pastebin.com/m7e26e5c7 and also it is saying that there is no integrated browser support..
23:25<kop>shah16: You installed the standard debian version?
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23:26<shah16>kop: standard in the sense? I've installed thru netinst cd and then installed sun-jdk , eclipse but eclipse is'nt starting up
23:27<kop>shah16: Standard in the sense of installed with apt from the debian repositories.
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23:28<shah16>kop: yes, aptitude install eclipse :)
23:29<kop>shah16: I've only some general suggestions that I might try, I know nothing about eclipse. First, there's a bunch of eclipse packages. Maybe the feature you want is in one of those.
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23:30<kop>shah16: Second, check the "recommends" for the package. (You can also configure apt to always install recommended packages, and then just remove and re-install.)
23:30<CutMeOwnThroat>judd, versions sun-java6-jre --architecture=amd64
23:30<judd>CutMeOwnThroat: (versions ) -- Output available versions of a package. Usage: "versions pattern [--arch i386] [--release etch]" pattern will treat * and ? as wildcards
23:30<CutMeOwnThroat>judd, versions sun-java6-jre --arch amd64
23:30<judd>CutMeOwnThroat: sun-java6-jre -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1 sid/non-free: 6-10-2 lenny/non-free: 6-12-1 sid/non-free: 6-12-1 sid/non-free: 6-14-1 squeeze/non-free: 6-14-1
23:30<CutMeOwnThroat>shah16, try suns java?
23:31<kop>shah16: Third, read /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/README.Debian to see if there's not something that needs to be turned on or other recommendations. Other good docs can be in that directory too.
23:31<shah16>CutMeOwnThroat: yes i've installed it through. aptitude install sun-java6-jdk
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23:32<kop>shah16: You have eclipse-jdt installed?
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23:33<CutMeOwnThroat>shah16, then it shouldn't give you *this* error anymore
23:33<CutMeOwnThroat>shah16, update-alternatives or uninstall the gjc one
23:34<kop>shah16: The final general recommendation is to check the bug system. Sometimes there's a bug and a work-around. (See also backports.org, sometimes.) And oh yeah, ask here. ;-)
23:34<CutMeOwnThroat>kop, recursive advice?
23:34<kop>CutMeOwnThroat: Best kind. Makes you think.
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23:35<stone_>makes you think about thinking
23:35<shah16>CutMeOwnThroat: how to update-alternatives?
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23:36<shah16>kop: thank you :) after aptitude install eclipse, i got a bunch of packages installed nearly 220 MB
23:36<shah16>kop: in that i'm sure i saw eclipse-jdt
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23:37<shah16>CutMeOwnThroat: I've installed eclipse first and then installed sun-java6-jdk
23:37<CutMeOwnThroat>shah16, that doesn't matter
23:38<CutMeOwnThroat>what matters is if it's using sun-java6-jdk or not
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23:38<CutMeOwnThroat>an... "man update-alternatives" might provide a clue how to use it
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23:41<kop>shah16: All I recall about update-alternatives is that you need to look in /etc/alternatives to find the "name" and then do update-alternatives <name>.
23:42<kop>CutMeOwnThroat: I'm a big fan of reading the directions, but I just don't want to know enough to make irssi work like I want it to. So I muddle along using a good program badly.
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23:43<shah16>CutMeOwnThroat: kop: update-alternatives --display eclipse
23:43<shah16>No alternatives for eclipse.
23:44<craigevil>might try update-java-alternatives
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23:45<shah16>craigevil: hmm i got this.. what to do now? ~# update-java-alternatives -l
23:45<shah16>java-6-sun 63 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun
23:45<shah16>java-gcj 1042 /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj
23:47<shah16>I'm getting late. going to office now.. i'll try myself.. thank you all for your time.. bye :)
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23:48<CutMeOwnThroat>now I can admit I never used update-alternatives a lot either :)
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23:49<craigevil>use -s| to set the one you want to use
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23:49<craigevil>-s|--set <jname>
23:49<CutMeOwnThroat>I was going to suggest that...
23:49<CutMeOwnThroat>well, he's gorn anyway
23:50<edbian>I heard a rumor that debian is going to be changing its release cycle. Has anyone else heard this?
23:50<craigevil>edbian: http://www.debian-news.net/2009/07/30/debian-adopts-two-year-time-based-release-cycle/
23:51<edbian>craigevil: Well that was prompt and accurate!
23:51<edbian>Thank you!
23:51<CutMeOwnThroat>why's that not in the topic anyway
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23:53<kop>It's a good move, imo.
23:53<edbian>I am excited! I was just worried that ubuntu was going to roll over to 9.10 and I'd start feeling left out lol
23:54*craigevil runs sid and hates the freeze
23:54<kop>edbian: I hear the next december freeze date is back up in the air, so nothing is definite, yet.
23:54<kop>craigevil: Gotta freeze sometime.
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23:55<edbian>kop: lol, typical debian. Democracy has its downsides
23:57<kop>I just want some guarentee that they'll be a new stable before the old one goes totally stale, and regular freezes sounds like a good approach. Being very stale sure keeps people away.
23:58<CutMeOwnThroat>sounds to me like 1 year normal going, 1 year freeze
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23:58<CutMeOwnThroat>a "2 year release cycle"
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23:59<kop>CutMeOwnThroat: Maybe by magic knowing when a freeze happens will make the freeze shorter. People can be funny that way.
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23:59<CutMeOwnThroat>oh dear
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