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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-08-03

---Logopened Mon Aug 03 00:00:11 2009
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00:05<katina>I can't get irssi to communicate with any servers/networks. I can connect to them, but comands and PMs don't go through. I can recieve PMs though. I also tried Chatzilla, but it couldn't even connect to a network. Anyone know what's going on and have a solution? (Debian Lenny on an ibook G3)
00:07<schmichael>reverting to grub1, grub2 has been nothing but pain and fail
00:07<schmichael>katina: sounds like a network issue
00:08<katina>hm. irc worked fine when the ibook was running mac osx.
00:08<katina>thanks
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00:41<ric>hello party people - what's the best registrar? I need a domain name godaddy is grossly full of shit.
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00:42<negercer>some one use yakuake on Kde4?
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00:43<negercer>hi
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00:45<negercer>someone use kde4?
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00:47<southernc>ric yahoo offers cheap ones
00:47<southernc>like 8 bucks a year
00:48<ric>thanx
00:48<southernc>mmhmm
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01:17<zir_gabo>kde over debian??
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02:25<iovfskm>is there a way to see a preview of pictures and videos in samba?
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02:29<iovfskm>why is it so dead in here
02:29<iovfskm>there's 369 people in here
02:30<simonrvn>east coast is asleep
02:30<iovfskm>nah
02:30<iovfskm>east coast stays up til 3
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02:30<iovfskm>i believe its 2 there now
02:31<jm_>what east cost? europe is mostly asleep :P
02:32<iovfskm>europe? where is europe?
02:32<iovfskm>:p
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02:48<dserban>Ok, so when I go and upgrade a specific package, I'm told others need to be removed. What's the best way to see _why_ those others are being removed? ie. conflicts, requires a certain version etc.
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02:54<jm_>dserban: try aptitude why/why-not
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03:06<dserban>jm_, thanks
03:06<jm_>dserban: no worries
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03:31<Yoda-BZH`Wk>plop/hi
03:32<deavid>hi
03:32<deavid>I'm having problems removing a package called " openoffice.org-report-builder"
03:32<deavid>it says "Removing extension com.sun.reportdesigner..." but the process never ends
03:33<deavid>thre's a way to manually erase the package? (I tried dpkg -P with same results)
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03:58<ms_>Hello, have some problems wiht installation / compiling socks5-rev26 on my debian system.. when i type 'make linux' it runs the g++ compiler (is installed) and then appears 'include/include/global.h:8:25: error: openssl/ssl.h: No such file or directory' (openssl is installed, too - as described in the README) - and lots of failures comes around ... can anybody help me? thanks a lot
04:01<jm_>you need openssl devel package
04:01<jm_>libssl-dev
04:02<ms_>thank you, works fine!
04:02<ms_>its too early in the morning :)
04:02<jm_>!tell ms_ -about search
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04:02<jm_>read what dpkg told you and you'll know how to solve such problems yourself (apt-file etc.)
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04:03<ms_>jm_, dpkg told me nothing
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04:06<jm_>*dpkg* told ms_ about search.
04:06<jm_>!search
04:06<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>.
04:06<jm_>it told you, but you need to learn how to use your IRC client ;)
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05:25<ibane>guillem: mallorquin != catalan?
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05:31<Tekno>morning
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05:51<enouf>irssi can be a stupid dumbass
05:51<southernc>so use scrollz
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05:55<multimedia>hello
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05:55<ootput>what's wrong with irssi?
05:55<ootput>in your case
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05:56<multimedia> i have a problem when i try to install debian on thecus N2100
05:56<buffoon_work>what's "a problem"?
05:57<multimedia>in syslog i have this message : GPG error: http://ftp.fr.debian.org lenny Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1356982504 KEYEXPIRED 1337087218
05:57<southernc>so you need to update your key
05:57<southernc>redownload your authentication keys
05:57<multimedia>how i can update my key i use debian netboot installer
05:58<jm_>you can tell d-i to ignore that if you want
05:58<multimedia>how i can tell this d-i
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05:59<jm_>let me find it
06:00<multimedia>thanks
06:00<jm_>!5% error
06:00<dpkg>it has been said that 5% error is d-i stopping at 5%? Boot the installer with `linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like. Since <etch> has been released, you should be downloading a released version of the installer from debian.org which would not have this problem.
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06:00<jm_>ignore the rest, just allow_unauth... is important
06:01<jm_>but only do this if you really feel like it - sounds like your installation media need updating
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06:03<southernc>apt-get install debian-archive-keyring
06:04<southernc>apt-get update
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06:05<multimedia>for my problem of N2100 i can't do apt-get install debian-archive-keyring
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06:10<multimedia>where i can find a valid version of debian netboot installer for my thecus N2100 who not have the keyring problem
06:10<jm_>what is n2100?
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06:10<multimedia>it's a NAS
06:11<jm_>which architecture?
06:11<multimedia>xscale 80219
06:11<jm_>do you have debian or any other linux installed on it?
06:12<multimedia>yes the original firmware is a linux but i want to install a debian
06:12<multimedia>for more description you can see there : http://www.onbeat.dk/thecus/index.php/N2100_Hardware
06:13<jm_>what does uname -a say?
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06:13<jm_>ahh arm
06:14<jm_>how do you start installer - netboot?
06:14<multimedia>i can 't execute uname -a because debian installer is install in the flash of the thecus
06:14<multimedia>but i can download other linux by tftp download
06:15<multimedia>N2100 have et redboot bootloader
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06:16<southernc>it uses mach-iop32x
06:16<multimedia>yes
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06:18<jm_>i recommend you read install manual for ARM and proceed
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06:20<jm_>that also has pointers for installation files
06:20<multimedia>I think my problem is that the debian netboot loader contains expired keys
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06:22<multimedia>And i don't known how i can fix that
06:22<jm_>!dbugs 539502
06:22<dpkg>#539502:N[installation-reports] n2100: base install fails due to time not set properly (); Sat, 01 Aug 2009 14:06:01 UTC []
06:22<jm_>read that bug report
06:24<multimedia>thank, but where i can read it
06:24<jm_>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=539502
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06:24<multimedia>thanks
06:24<jm_>no worries
06:25<jm_>it's amazing someone else run into this just two days ago ;)
06:26<multimedia>thank you very much for your help
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06:28<icebrain>hi, i'm trying to install Debian on a HP DV2 I've just bought but I'm having some problems: I'm doing a netinstall and if select the Stable or Testing, the network card driver installed is too old and doesn't work with this card. If I try to install Sid, the "base system" fails with an error, due to some error in aptitude's dependencies. Is there any way to "unselect" aptitude from base...
06:28<icebrain>...system? thanks
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06:29<jm_>icebrain: get kmuto lenny installer with 2.6.30
06:30<icebrain>oh, backported drivers, I see! Thanks!
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08:42<arcangel777>sera a tutti
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08:44<arcangel777>!list
08:44<dpkg>arcangel777: VATTENE VIA
08:44<cobra-the-joker>Hey there guys .....is there is a dev tool specific to make graph applications ??
08:45<arcangel777>come funziona per favore
08:45<cobra-the-joker>italiano :D
08:46<bremner>cobra-the-joker: you'll have to be more specific
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08:47<cobra-the-joker>bremner , drawing X , Y graphs ....thats what i meen
08:47<themill>cobra-the-joker: /msg dpkg plotting
08:47<cobra-the-joker>aha :D
08:48<cobra-the-joker>themill , i suppose you meen making custom applications to draw custom graphs :D ..right ?
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08:49<themill>cobra-the-joker: I know what I mean, but I'm not sure what it is that you mean. Are you wanting to embed a plotting component inside other programs that you are writing?
08:49<cobra-the-joker>themill , exaactly ;)
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08:51<themill>cobra-the-joker: the qt libraries that labplot and qtiplot use can do that. There are various other libraries for various other languages. You'll need to be specific about what language you are working in
08:52<cobra-the-joker>themill , so i can use C++ with QT to draw some professional graphs ?
08:52<cobra-the-joker>but really i am not willing to make my own graph library :(
08:52<themill>cobra-the-joker: depends what you mean by professional graphs? I still don't really know what it is you are trying to achieve here
08:53<cobra-the-joker>themill , skip the professionall part ^ ^..i meen libs that i can write something like plot ( x1 , y1 , x2 , y2 ) ...
08:54<themill>In what language? for what purpose are these plots?
08:54<cobra-the-joker>themill , in C++ or java ( what i know ) ....and purpose for my assignment in solving linear programming problems :D
08:55<themill>cobra-the-joker: jfreechart for java is probably the easiest one to use. Not sure that it gives good exported plots but has a good reputation for being easy to program and produces good quality stuff on-screen
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08:56<cobra-the-joker>aha ....i will search for that
08:56<themill>judd info libjfreechart-java
08:56<judd>themill: libjfreechart-java (libs): is optional; Version: 1.0.10-1; Size: 1302.4k; Installed: 1416k -- Chart library for Java
08:56<cobra-the-joker>themill , i can install it using the apt :D
08:56<cobra-the-joker>?
08:57<themill>judd info python-qwt5-qt4
08:57<judd>themill: python-qwt5-qt4 (python): is optional; Version: 5.1.0.dfsg-1; Size: 781.4k; Installed: 3600k -- Python version of the Qwt5 technical widget library
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08:58<cobra-the-joker>themill , really thanx for the help ...jfreechart was what i was looking for :D
08:58<themill>cobra-the-joker: ^^ that (or the C++ bindings) would be the other alternative that springs to mind. Or matplotlib. I've never actually programmed with any of these though. If you don't want an embedded graphing widget then python pux is nice.
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08:59<cobra-the-joker>themill , a second question pls ....how can i auto-mount my partiotions at start ?
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08:59<nemo__>hi, I'm having a hard time with and APC BACK-UPS 500 CS, it's working on my ubuntu box(2.6.28-13-server), but not on my lenny(2.6.26-2-openvz) server, the ups is listed in /proc/bus/usb/devices but has driver=(none) while it should be usbhid or hid... anybody ever had a similar problem ? and usbhid is loaded, as there are 2 other usb devices using it. tried: replugging, rebooting(argh... my uptime), removing and modprobing usbhid...
08:59<cobra-the-joker>i heard about fstab ...but i dont know what to write
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09:03<nemo__>cobra > http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html or list the partitions specifically so I can give you the line...
09:04<cobra-the-joker>nemo_ , they are fat32 and ntfs ( ntfs-3g installed ) ...but i dont know how can i get the /dev/sda for them
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09:05<cobra-the-joker>nemo_ , i meen i dont know which is dev/sda1 or 2 ..there names
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09:06<jm_>cat /proc/partitions
09:06<jm_>fdisk -l /dev/sda
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09:08<nemo__>cobra > the second line needs sudo ...
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09:14<cobra-the-joker_>nemo_ , in <type> in the fstab --> vfat for fat ...ntfs-3g for ntfs ?
09:15<nemo__>ça me semble correspondre effectivement ...
09:16<cobra-the-joker_>really :D?...i dont understand ^ ^
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09:16<nemo__>seems to me you're right
09:16<nemo__>excuse my french :)
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09:16<cobra-the-joker_>no problemo :D
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09:17<cobra-the-joker>nemo_ , and what about the options and the other stuff ?
09:17<nemo__>have you tried reading the link I gave you ?
09:18<cobra-the-joker>ye
09:18<cobra-the-joker>yes * ...ok wait
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09:30<rita>I'm a little desperate. All of a sudden my system doesn't find my wireless card anymora!
09:31<rita>I don't know what happened, but iwconfig doesn't show wlan0 anymore
09:31<rita>Im on an Acer laptop
09:31<cahoot>rita: no wlan* at all in /sbin/ifconfig -a ?
09:32<rita>nope
09:32<cahoot>any idea what module it should use?
09:33<rita>it's a broadcom driver, I had to do some work to install it
09:33<cahoot>b43?
09:33<rita>yep b43-fwcutter or something... ndiswrapper
09:34<cahoot>sorry out of my league then
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09:36<rita>oh man... Im in deep trouble. This laptop has 2 distros running... in Ubunto wlan0 is still there... but for some reason it doesnt see the available networks
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09:59<runix__>heyas. I'm trying to configure Varnish with some funky parameters (in /etc/default/varnish) but when I run it with /etc/init.d/varnish my params are escaped and the server. Basically, DAEMON_OPTS="[...] -p 'cc_command=exec cc -fpic -shared -Wl,-x -L/usr/local/lib -lGeoIP -o %o %s'" is transformed into -p '"cc_command=exec' cc -fpic -shared -Wl,-x -L/usr/local/lib -lGeoIP -o %o '%s"' in /etc/init.d/varnish . any hints?
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10:11<emptyz>Can i run i386 debian on i686
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10:12<ml|>the i386 installer works fine
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10:12<emptyz>good
10:13<ml|>if you have good net connection, consider using the netinst cd
10:13<ml|>!install guide
10:13<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.2) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
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10:35<emptyz>so i use that mini.iso to install it from internet?
10:36<o-o>sure
10:36<ml|>!netinst
10:36<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>.
10:36<emptyz>like i just have to put that .iso file into my usb sticks directory and boot from it?
10:37<emptyz>or do i need some program to copy the stuff from the .iso to usb ?
10:37<o-o>emptyz, no you would have to properly put it onto the usb stick. The iso only works with CDs
10:37<ml|>dpkg: tell emptyz about usb install
10:37<emptyz>ohh
10:38<ml|>emptyz: read message from dpkg and install guide above
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10:40<ml|>you can also use unetbootin
10:40<emptyz>uhh.. well im just going to copy all stuff from that .iso file and put them into usb and try to boot.. :E
10:40<ml|>dpkg: tell emptyz about unetbootin
10:41<emptyz>uhh i see
10:41<themill>emptyz: people write documentation for a reason. It sometimes helps you to read it.
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10:44<bremner>!RTFM
10:44<dpkg>rumour has it, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.]
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10:47<emptyz>whoop, i guess i cant install this using usb cause i dont have that on boot menu :D
10:48<ml|>right, bios has to support booting from usb
10:49<emptyz>i guess i have to burn a dvd.. hope it supports that i686
10:50<ml|>if you want but a cd1 or netinst should do
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10:51<emptyz>having nestinst on dvd is waste of money and space.. but ohh well..
10:52<emptyz>so now i have to burn that mini.iso to my dvd?
10:52<MAXiDROM56437>åñòü êòî èç ðóññêèõ ? ìîùü íóæíà â óñòàíîâêè ñåòåâîé êàðòû èíòåë
10:52<emptyz>ok cool story bro
10:53<brother->emptyz: if you can't boot on usb but have cd/dvd capabilities just grab either netinst or the first cd/dvd image and burn it and boot
10:54<ml|>dpkg: tell emptyz about install guide
10:54<brother->iirc the install will update the system before real use any way so you will be pretty up to date
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10:55<Kovax>hi! I have some problems with my debian mysql server. I cant make it to listen not only on localhost, so nobody can connect from other machines to the mysql server. Could anyone help?
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10:56<brother->Kovax: and you have updated the appropriate settings in my.cnf?
10:56<brother->Kovax: and altered privileges and flushed?
10:56<Kovax>yes
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10:56<Kovax>i rewrite the bind-adress
10:57<brother->well then I am out of ideas. that usually works out of the box for me
10:57<brother->to? 0.0.0.0?
10:57<Kovax>and at the privileges I give %
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10:57<Kovax>I tried to #-it, than 127.0.0.1, localhost, the ip of the machine, 0.0.0.0
10:58<cgc>Kovax: 0.0.0.0 should work
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10:59<Kovax>it writes in phpmyadmin: Server: Localhost via UNIX socket, but I gues, it should write TCP/IP, isnt it?
11:00<debuser4235>0.0.0.0 means that it will listen on all interfaces, I think Kovax doesn't want that
11:01<brother->Kovax: no just tcp
11:01<brother->Kovax: for phpmyadmin
11:01<Kovax>It would be ok
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11:02<debuser4235>do you want to bind to localhost only?
11:02<brother->no the opposite
11:02<Kovax>no, I would like to connect from other PC-s, so I need the TCP
11:02<Kovax>I use lampp
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11:02<debuser4235>0.0.0.0 is the correct bind
11:02<debuser4235>then
11:03<debuser4235>you must set the correct permissions
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11:03<debuser4235>for each mysql account
11:03<cgc>0.0.0.0 or your static private ip
11:03<Kovax>it not good, casue the users dont have static IP
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11:04<Kovax>ok, I try it
11:04<cgc>users? You must set the server ip
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11:06<Kovax>hm not good: Access denied
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11:06<debuser4235>Kovax... read the mysql manual
11:06<Kovax>if theres localhost, its ok, but if there is other IP-s it isnt good
11:07<debuser4235>also, don't forget to restart the server
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11:07<debuser4235>after changing the bind
11:07<Kovax>I restarted it millions of times
11:08<Kovax>and I have been reading the manulas and all the forums for days
11:08<Kovax>i tried everything they mentioned
11:08<debuser4235>netstat -tl
11:09<Kovax>tcp 0 0 *:mysql *:* LISTEN
11:09<debuser4235>it has the right bind, then you have to set the permissions for each user, to allow a larger domain
11:09<debuser4235>example http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/adding-users.html
11:10<Kovax>I did it in phpmyadmin
11:10<debuser4235>what accounts do you have then?
11:11<debuser4235>user@domain
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11:11<Kovax>w8 a minute please
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11:16<Kovax>I made a mistake, so I searched the cofiguration file in /etc/mysql
11:16<Kovax>but in lampp it is in /opt/lampp/etc
11:17<Kovax>but in lampp's config file, there is no bind adress, but theres skip-networking, so I #-d skip-networking, ant then restart, but nothing happens
11:18<bremner>Kovax: that is not a debian package
11:18<bremner>Kovax: you should ask for help from the people you got the package from
11:19<Kovax>As i can remember it was on the official debian site
11:19<Kovax>but ok, thanks or the help
11:19<bremner>I will give you a dollar if that is true
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11:19<bremner>:)
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11:19<debuser4235>i'm back...
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11:19<themill>dpkg: tell Kovax about lamp
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11:23*CutMeOwnThroat shines a lamp.
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11:44<Staver>äîáðîå òóò ïî ðóññêè èëè àíãëèéñêè?
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11:47<RoEn>пиши в utf-8
11:47<RoEn>Staver: пиши в utf-8
11:48<Staver>ok
11:48<bremner>also !ru
11:48<bremner>!ru
11:48<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
11:48<Staver>thx
11:48<Staver>hi i need to setup rotering on the sistem, eth1 - dhcp from router, eth0 is looking to the lan inside, dhcp-server on eth0
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11:49<Staver>need iptables
11:49<Staver>how to make it better
11:50<themill>!ipmasq
11:50<dpkg>If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/
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11:50<Staver>thx
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11:53<emptyz>ohh crap.. accidentally installed a dekstop to my server
11:54<debuser4235>:)
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11:54<jackyf>:)
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11:58<humbolt>where there any substantial changes to LVM in the upgrade from etch to lenny?
11:58<humbolt>any changes, which might prevent my Xen dom0 from booting up?
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12:02<debuser4235>http://www.popmartian.com/tipsntricks/2009/04/28/lvm-breaks-when-upgrading-debian-etch-to-lenny-4x-to-50/
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12:02<debuser4235>google first
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12:10<justfil>When I try to run Firefox it says: "run-mozilla.sh: Cannot execute ./firefox-bin"
12:11<justfil>I searched for firefox-bin but found nothing
12:11<bremner>!iceweasel
12:11<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00063.html and ask me about <d-s-a>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel
12:13<justfil>Firefox is more up-to-date than iceweasel
12:13<themill>Well if you know that, you'll have no trouble fixing that problem yourself. HAND.
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12:15<cristian>trans
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12:18<asaleem>what is the difference between a process and a daemon?
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12:19<Staver>can some body say what might not be correctly in dnsmasq if it says failed to create listning socket: in use
12:20<debuser4235>daemon = A program that runs in the background; that is, without user interaction.
12:20<debuser4235>oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/glossary.html
12:20<cgc>asaleem: a daemon runs in the background: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_%28computer_software%29
12:20<koollman>asaleem: a daemon is a specific kind of process
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12:21<asaleem>cgc, cant a process be bged?
12:21<debuser4235>asaleem: google with define:word to get the definition of "word"
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12:21<Staver>0o my mind is broken ^)
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12:22<Staver>th
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12:24<debuser4235>asaleem: http://www.astro.ku.dk/comp-phys/tutorials/background.shtml
12:24<debuser4235>google is your friend :)
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12:26<asaleem>debuser4235, gr8 tip
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12:27<justfil>how to check which version of debian i'm using
12:27<koollman>justfil: cat /etc/debian_version
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12:28<justfil>thank you
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12:40<Zas>ho, is porisble install the driver nvidia on kernel 2.6.26-2?
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12:41<oznt>hi, a question about ssh: I have machine A - which doesn't run X11 and doesn't have it installed at all. And a machine B with X11 installed. Is it possible direct X from B through A in this setting?
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12:45<Slurb>Zas: yes
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12:46<Slurb>oznt: not sure try ssh -X
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12:48<oznt>Slurb, I am trying with ssh -X servernoX and then from it ssh -X serverwithX .... but no success. If I directly ssh -X serverwithX it works.
12:48<Zas>Slurb, you know in waht repository can i find this packet?? "nvidia-kernel-common" beacuse i cant find with apt-get
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12:49<oznt>does ssh needs X11 installed in order to tunnel X11 ?
12:49<bremner>!tell Zas -about nvidia
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12:50<Zas>bremner, its a 9500 gt... i try install it woth module-assistant but i cant finde the packet of nvidia-kernel-common
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12:50<bremner>Zas: all I know is the pointer to the wiki
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12:51<Zas>yeah, someguy tell me in aprivate, thanks
12:52<Staver>what can be a cause of thet problem with dnsmasq if it says failed to create listning socket: in use? realy i can't understand sorry
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12:54<Staver>in the man to many info to now i have about 1 hour to fix in today
12:54<Staver>in=it*
12:55<koollman>Staver: some server is already listening on port 53
12:55<Staver>whot ic could be
12:55<debuser4235>ps -e | grep -i bind
12:55<Staver>apt-get purge ????
12:55<debuser4235>for Staver
12:56<Staver>sekond
12:56<koollman>netstat -nulp
12:56<koollman>(and look at ':53')
12:56<debuser4235>yep
12:56<Staver>yeah
12:56<debuser4235>:)
12:57<Staver>udp6
12:57<Staver>0.o
12:57<debuser4235>the last column, staver
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12:58<justfil>I can't change the time. After I change it nothing happens.
12:58<Staver>2018/named
12:58<Zas>guys, i have the same problem , the packet off nvidia-kernel-common my apt cant find it..
12:58<Dunge>Anyone know how to cross-compile libs? I'm trying to build cairomm, I call "./configure --host=arm-none-linux-gnueabi --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu" but it try to read /usr/includes and /usr/lib instead of the ones in the cross-compiler path
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13:05<Zas>the problem was the reposotories non-free
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13:06<humbolt>how can I speed up boot-time fsck? can I do it online later on? the fs is ext3.
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13:07<themill>dpkg: tell humbolt about multiple ask
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13:14<Zas>i have /etc/X11/xorg.conf empty... how is posible??
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13:15<DonaldDuck>run X -configure it gives xorg.conf.new, use it
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13:16<Zas>DonaldDuck, i had a fatal error
13:16<Zas>maybe o must to kill gdm
13:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 417] by debhelper
13:17<DonaldDuck>yes run /etc/init.d/gdm stop
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13:17<DonaldDuck>oh
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13:22<user>server 83.211.183.77 aacantis
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13:42<emptyz>How do i enable ssh connection on my ubuntu?
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13:42<themill>emptyz: try #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
13:42<emptyz>i mean
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13:42<emptyz>debian...
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13:43<locklace>nice try
13:43<emptyz>now i get "connection refused" if i try to connect my computer eith putty
13:43<locklace>!lart emptyz
13:43*dpkg whips out his power stapler and staples emptyz's genitalia to the ground
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13:48<emptyz>anybody? :P
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13:52<nemo__> /quit
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13:53<michael>Hi all
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13:54<Guest379>There are anybody that can help me with configuration of xorg, i'm a newbie of debian
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13:56<Guest379>No answers
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13:56<bremner>!tell Guest379 -about wait
13:58<Guest379>i have intel x3100
13:58<Guest379>and i have problem to configure it
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14:00<emptyz>do i need sshd to make the ssh work
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14:01<RIverBack>hey
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14:02<RIverBack>can any1 tell my why my steam lags in wine?
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14:03<kop>Guest381: Usually it just works. You'll need to explain what the problem is.
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14:03<kop>RIverBack: You might also ask on the wine channel, there must be one somewhere.
14:04<Guest381>hallo
14:04<RIverBack>i cant find 1 :P
14:04<Guest381>anybody speaks German ?
14:04<bja>!de
14:04<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
14:04<Guest381>ok thx
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14:06<emptyz>how do i download packages on debian?
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14:07<RIverBack>emptyz, apt-get install ?
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14:07<emptyz>gives command nopt found
14:07<emptyz>wait
14:07<RIverBack>u runing it as root?
14:07<emptyz>lol i was tping get-apt all the time :D
14:07<RIverBack>:)
14:08<RIverBack> aptitude install to but i havent used aptitude before
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14:09<emptyz>do i need some kind of a ssh server to get a ssh connection from my other computer?
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14:10<bja>emptyz: logic says yes
14:10<stuckey>I need to install ia32 libs but when aptitude says there are unmet dependencies for nvidia-glx-ia32.
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14:10<stuckey>*but aptitude says
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14:10<stuckey>bja: Logic says what?
14:11<emptyz>so what is this ssh server called?
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14:11<bja>emptyz: openssh-server
14:12<emptyz>ok
14:12<bja>stuckey: Parse error no package nvidia-glx-ia32 on repos :)
14:13<stuckey>bja: huh?
14:14<stuckey>It says: nvidia-glx-ia32: Depends: ia32-libx11-6 which is a virtual package.
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14:14<stuckey>http://paste.debian.net/43265/ <--- the entire error
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14:16<leejongwook>what is squeeze and sid ?
14:16<emptyz>why my lynx gives me a "unable to locate remote host on www...."
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14:16<leejongwook>version of debian ?
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14:17<leejongwook>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=shutter&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all <-- im confused, i'm currently using lenny
14:17<leejongwook>what to download
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14:17<stuckey>leejongwook: What are you trying to do?
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14:18<leejongwook>to download shutter package from that site
14:18<leejongwook>dont know what to get, and wanted to know what are the sid and squeeze
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14:18<bremner>!sid
14:18<dpkg>methinks sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>.
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14:19<leejongwook>i usually download packages from sid, but didn't know what it is
14:19<leejongwook>!squeeze
14:19<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the next release. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. Expected to be released in early 2010, see http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 Will be known as Debian 6.0.
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14:19<leejongwook>thhanks bremner :)
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14:20<bremner>opinions differ about that release date
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14:21<stuckey>Anyone know how I can install nvidia-glx-ia32?
14:21<stuckey>Aptitude says it has unmet dependencies.
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14:22<themill>bremner: consensus by press release?
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14:23<themill>(/msg dpkg squeeze bet)
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14:24<bremner>heh, can't say anymore, the non-existent cabal might get me
14:25<bja>stuckey: install ia32-libs see what happens
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14:32<stuckey>bja: worked.
14:33<bja>!congratulate stuckey
14:33<dpkg>Good show stuckey, you did it!
14:33<stuckey>bja: But I need ia32 glx
14:33<stuckey>I'm assuming that's nvidia-glx-ia32
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14:33<Dunge>Anyone know how to cross-compile libs? I'm trying to build cairomm, I call "./configure --host=arm-none-linux-gnueabi --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu" but it try to read /usr/includes and /usr/lib instead of the ones in the cross-compiler path.. is this hardcoded in the cairomm Makefile (CAIROMM_CFLAGS) or i'm doing something wrong?
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14:33<stuckey>bja: It's for a game... the game is a 32-bit binaries
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14:34<bja>stuckey: now try installing nvidia stuff
14:34<stuckey>bja: same shit
14:35<bja>stuckey: did you instal ia32-libs and went ok?
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14:37<emptyz>what is the package called to unzip stuff on debian?
14:37<Nemoder>from command line or gui?
14:37<emptyz>ohh wait i got it..
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14:44<stuckey>bja: yes
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14:45<bja>stuckey: afaik its the onlyu dependency of nvidia-glx-ia32 and obviously the whole set up for a normal installation
14:45<Staver>on what port dhcp is
14:45<Staver>&
14:45<Staver>?
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14:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 423] by debhelper
14:47<Staver>dnsmasq says failed to bind dhcp server socket: in use
14:48<debuser4235>again?
14:48<Staver>no
14:48<Staver>)
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14:48<Staver>there was another )
14:48<debuser4235>netstat -nulp should help you again
14:48<stuckey>bja: So what should I give it when it says : Resolve these dependencies by hand? [N/+/-/_/:/?]
14:49<stuckey>It says nvidia-glx-ia32: Depends: ia32-libx11-6 which is a virtual package.
14:49<stuckey>So ia32-libx11-6 is also a dependency?
14:49<debuser4235>port 68
14:49<Staver>did't i do't know port
14:49<Staver>yeah ok
14:49<debuser4235>I think
14:49<azeem>stuckey: sounds like your system got messed up by ia32-apt-get
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14:49<Staver>then in dhcpclient )
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14:49<stuckey>azeem: Got messed up?
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14:50<debuser4235>aptitude purge dhcp3-server
14:50<bja>stuckey: the only dependency i have for nvidia-glx-ia32 is the one you allready installed
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14:50<Staver>apt purge dhcp3-client
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14:51<Staver>no server there
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14:51<debuser4235>m?
14:51<debuser4235>aptitude I should have written
14:51<emptyz>http://pastebin.com/me8ac588
14:52<emptyz>why do iget this when im trying to install java.bin
14:52<Staver>i did 30 min ago
14:53<debuser4235>dpkg -l | grep -i dhcp
14:53<dpkg>ii | grep -i dhcp 2.1-3.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
14:53<debuser4235>:)
14:53<debuser4235>interesting
14:53<azeem>emptyz: you're trying to install an rpm
14:53<azeem>we can't help you with that
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14:54<emptyz>i made apt-get rpm
14:54<emptyz>install rpm*
14:54<adama>why???
14:54<azeem>emptyz: that won't help you tracking dependencies
14:55<emptyz>uhh
14:55<azeem>rpm on debian is not meant to be used for installing stuff
14:55<emptyz>so how should i try to install that java then
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14:55<adama>!java
14:55<dpkg>i guess java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net.
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14:55<themill>dpkg: tell emptyz about install java
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14:56<StarkD_>how do I kick/kill myself StarkD? I can't find no active screen session to kill at my shell :)
14:56<hackndoes>Hi buys
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14:56<hackndoes>guys
14:56<adama>StarkD_: try: screen -list
14:56<adama>if your terminal died, you may have to just wait a few minutes
14:56<emptyz>ohh
14:56<emptyz>thats pretty gay
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14:57<azeem>!gay
14:57<dpkg>It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced.
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14:57<hackndoes>i have installed debian on a virtual machine on my laptop but i got a fucked up resolution, so i went and cat the content of /etc/X11/xorg.conf and it's empty
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14:57<hackndoes>trying to change screen resolution from the system panel is not possible, an empty list of resolutions there
14:57<adama>hackndoes: you may put stuff in it if you think it will help
14:58<cahoot>hackndoes: xrandr is also useless?
14:58<hackndoes>i don't know what... that's the problem
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14:58<Staver>it keep say DHCP server socket in use GODS
14:58<hackndoes>cahoot, don't know of it
14:58<azeem>!empty xorg.conf
14:58<Staver>63 is free
14:58<dpkg>empty xorg.conf is, like, in Lenny, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often empty, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about
14:58<StarkD_>is #debian at freenode and OFTC mirrored? seems I can't login on OFTC after loged in at freenode
14:58<adama>hackndoes: just run xrandr by itself to see what resolutions may be available
14:58<debuser4235>Staver: dpkg -l | grep -i dhcp
14:58<debuser4235>what does it print?
14:58<azeem>StarkD_: this channel is not about general irc help
14:59<azeem>and oftc and freenode are two seperate networks
14:59<hackndoes>adama, OK
14:59<hackndoes>azeem, but resolutions are not OK
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14:59<StarkD_>azeem: true, but I only get this behavior for #debian
14:59<azeem>StarkD_: what is "this"
14:59<hackndoes>adama, now that i see the resolutions, what do i do now?
14:59<adama>hackndoes: to switch to e.g. 800x600, put: xrandr -s 800x600
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14:59<hackndoes>how do i add and chage?
15:00<azeem>hackndoes: apparently X thinks otherwise; did you explain what you think is wrong?
15:00<Staver>hdcp3-common? debuser4235
15:00<hackndoes>oh, it's a util thanks
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15:00<adama>lunchtime, ciao
15:00<stuckey>bja: SO what do I do?
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15:01<hackndoes>adama, it says size not found in available mode though it is listed in "xrandr"
15:01<debuser4235>Staver:no
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15:01<hackndoes>adama, for each resolution i put
15:01<azeem>hackndoes: you put where?
15:02<hackndoes>i did "xrandr"
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15:02<azeem>that doesn't put anything
15:02<hackndoes>then got a list of resolutions, then i did xrandr -s oneoftheres
15:02<azeem>what is the output?
15:02<hackndoes>i meen nothing change, it said "the size not found in available modes"
15:03<hackndoes>Size 1152x864 not found in available modes
15:03<hackndoes>for example
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15:05<hackndoes>azeem, i gave you the output
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15:06<azeem>hackndoes: maybe you need to specify which screen's size you want to change
15:06<azeem>try something like "xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1152x864"
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15:06<hackndoes>what's the output LVDS?
15:07<azeem>an example
15:07<cobra-the-joker>Hey there guys ...... i cant open rmvb videos ....how can i ?
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15:07<hackndoes>no i mean, how do i know what's the right output for me?
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15:08<azeem>by looking at the xrandr output
15:08<shock>buenas tardes
15:08<hackndoes>oh, let me send it to you
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15:08<azeem>no,
15:08<azeem>*you* look at the output
15:08<shock>alguien aqui ha configurado un modem ZTE
15:08<sney`>!es
15:08<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:08<bja>dpkg: tell shock about es
15:09<hackndoes>azeem, but i looked at it and didn't see anything that looks like it fits
15:09<hackndoes>http://pastebin.com/m33f36476
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15:09<cobra-the-joker>!multimedia
15:09<dpkg>dmm is, like, Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>.
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15:10<cobra-the-joker>!rmvb
15:10<emptyz>how do i close nohup?
15:10<hackndoes>what in that output is the output?
15:10<azeem>hackndoes: maybe "default" it is?
15:10<hackndoes>ohhhhhhhhhhhhh
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15:12<wombatz>Is it possible to get the gedit LaTeX plugin to work in lenny?
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15:14<hackndoes>azeem, it logged me off, and when i logged back in it was in the previous resolution
15:14<hdon>hi all. i have an old debian 4 system i don't use, but every now and then i turn it on to access its files over the network. it's now headless, but i don't want to uninstall a bunch of stuff in case i need to run it with a display again. how can i make gdm not run on startup? every time i ssh in i run /etc/init.d/gdm stop because for complex reasons, the system may freeze if i don't
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15:16<azeem>hackndoes: that's maybe a good time to explain what hardware and software you're using
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15:17<chattr>hdon: remove the symlink S30gdm in /etc/rc2.d/
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15:17<hackndoes>azeem, well i am running on a virtual machine in virtual box on a dell laptop host (inspiron)
15:17<hdon>chattr: thanks
15:18<chattr>np
15:18<hackndoes>t7250 with 2G ram
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15:18<zxd>Why is #lartc DeAd
15:18<hackndoes>and intel chipset
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15:19<hackndoes>azeem, got it?
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15:20<azeem>hackndoes: yeah, but I'm distracted with other stuff right now
15:20<hackndoes>OK
15:20<azeem>hackndoes: but probably your virtual machine just does not support resolution changes or so, ask your virtual machine vendor
15:21<hackndoes>VirtualBox
15:22<hackndoes>sun
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15:26<stuckey>I'm trying to install nvidia-glx-ia32 but aptitude says it has unmet dependencies of ia32-libx11-6. What should I do?
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15:30<Wxa>I must go off topic and ask a stupid question. I have a Xubuntu and somehow managed to get rid of my top- and bottom-panel.Is there a way to get them back=
15:30<Wxa>?
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15:34<brother->Wxa: try google for help about xfce and panels
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15:34<brother->Wxa: I use neither xubuntu nor xfce so that's the best I can do
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15:35<jackyf>Wxa: Alt+F2 -> 'xfce4-panel' maybe?
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15:36<qimo>hi how i make new user in terminal?
15:36<brother->adduser username
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15:36<qimo>thnk u
15:36<brother->np
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15:36<Wxa>whii got it
15:37<Wxa>thx m8
15:37<Wxa>needed to write
15:37<Wxa>xfce4-panel
15:37<Wxa>yeah
15:37<Wxa><3
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15:37<Wxa>Good night
15:37<Wxa>and thanks again like 10000 times :D
15:37<Wxa>!
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15:39<DragonM>Afternoon folks.
15:39<brother->no not really =)
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15:39<brother->timezones <3
15:40<DragonM>Which is why I always greet from my timezone. YOu can always return the greeting from yours, adjusted to fit. Then we both know something. :)
15:40<brother->that's why I love beats
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15:41<DragonM>I've come this way because my upgrade from Sarge to Etch has come to grief and Google was no help and I've run out of guesses.
15:41<DragonM>aptitude dist-upgrade is all done and says everything is up to date.
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15:42<DragonM>And now, after no more than 12 hours of runtime, my system becomes unusually slow, both over ssh and at the console.
15:42<DragonM>Unusably slow, even.
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15:42<DragonM>While still passing network traffic through from the internal network.
15:42<brother->have you considered to move along to lenny?
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15:43<brother->not a direct solution to your problem but might do something =)
15:43<DragonM>I've thought about it. It might work long enough to succeed. But it might not. I'm worried about that.
15:43<DragonM>Trouble is, it's phantom slowness.
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15:43<DragonM>Nothing is using unusual amounts of CPU or RAM.
15:43<DragonM>Network traffic is practically nonexistent.
15:44<DragonM>The new kernel might not like the hardware for some reason, but I have no idea how to find out if that's the problem.
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15:46<DragonM>Is it possible to move back to kernel 2.4.18 from 2.6.18 in etch?
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15:46<debuser42359>have you checked if apt held back some packages?
15:47<DragonM>Last aptitude upgrade said not.
15:47<DragonM>No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
15:47<DragonM>0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
15:47<DragonM>And I have no pins in preferences anymore.
15:48<debuser42359>anything unusual in dmesg?
15:48<debuser42359>warnings? errors?
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15:49<brother->DragonM: the last kernel i 2.4 for etch should be 2.4.27
15:49<brother->kernel-image-2.4.27-i386
15:49*DragonM waits on dmesg.
15:50<DragonM>From memory, I think yes, some of both, now that you ask...
15:50<DragonM>I'd gotten into the habit of ignoring them, since there's been several endemic problems.
15:51<brother->...
15:51<DragonM>This installation started life as Potato, in 2001.
15:51<DragonM>Life hasn't been kind to it since then.
15:51<debuser42359>maybe it's time for a fresh install... lenny :)
15:52<DragonM>Noooooo.
15:52<DragonM>Too much blood sweat and tears getting things configured. -_-
15:52<cahoot>maybe it's just tired?
15:52<debuser42359>you do it once, and you can relax again for a few years
15:52<debuser42359>:)
15:52<DragonM>It's pretty tired. I only upgraded to sarge because woody dropped out of old-archive. :P
15:53<Slurb>how do i set the clock of my pcie graphics card to 100mhz?
15:53<brother->I failed to upgrade 2.4.x to 2.6.x back in the days that's why I did a fresh lenny
15:54<debuser42359>post a dmesg on http://pastebin.com/, who knows? maybe someone sees something useful
15:54<DragonM>My apt-fu is strong enough to get through that. :)
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15:55<brother->kinda was more a struggle with too small harddrive to actually fit all the packages needed for the upgrade at the same time. but some glibc troubles added on top
15:55<debuser42359>well... not useful, but interesting
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15:56<DragonM>That's where I came to grief too. :)
15:56<DragonM>The 4 gig drive couldn't handle a dist upgrade, so I got new (to me) hardware.
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15:57<check>hi, somebody knows how i can use apt-get to only download a already installed package ? i know the -d option but it says to me that it is already installed. i want the deb-file for backup purpose..
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15:58<debuser42359>have you checked the cache of apt?
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15:58<DragonM>http://pastebin.com/d985b2ba
15:58<debuser42359>its /var/apt/cache i think
15:58<check>yes but it is not filled with the file
15:58<check>..because its already installed..
15:59<cahoot>check: I suppose --reinstall doesn't combine with -d?
15:59<check>but i need it separetely...my goal is not with reinstalling.. with reinstall it works..
15:59<tuxcrafter>hi all, i want to make an lvm with raid and do an debian debootstrab on it but i am on an usb debian system on the hardware i want to setup
15:59<tuxcrafter>how do i do that
16:00<check>something like wget ..
16:00<check>but with apt-get..
16:00<DragonM>Any reason you can't just use wget?
16:00<tuxcrafter>i normaly mount the filestystem and debootrab to the mount lokation but i never done that with lvm or mdraid setup
16:00<DragonM>Other than having to look up the path to get it yourself...
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16:01<brother->as the path is pretty straight forward that shouldn't be a problem
16:01<check>normally not exept that i dunno the server where the package is..and i can check the debian servers like the one in sources.d but i think apt-get with -d is better for them servers and maybe there is a way..
16:02<DragonM>Not any better. They speak plain old http or ftp to transfer data.
16:03<debuser42359>check: you can search you package on http://packages.debian.org/
16:04<DragonM>Is pci_hotplug part of the hotplug package?
16:04<DragonM>'cause I remember being ordered in no uncertain terms to remove that package.
16:04<DragonM>I removed it, but haven't rebooted since then.
16:05<DragonM>Software arguing over interrupts might explain the oddities I'm seeing.
16:07<check>debuser42359: yes i know but apt-get -d -f for force didnt work and i hoped there is a more elegant way, know what i mean ? ..instead of doing stuff like that over http..
16:07<enouf>tuxcrafter: i suppose you could set up the mdadm + lvm prior like one does to partitions/formatting FSs before they debootstrap
16:07<check>btw: how can i highlight your guys name ? this is Konversation..new to this irc-stuff ;)
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16:08<check>without copy&paste ya names..
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16:08<enouf>then make your FSs on your LVs, and mount them, then debootstrap them - that's what i would try
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16:08<cahoot>check: TAB completion?
16:09<enouf>tuxcrafter: i just did a debootstrap last night, over ssh, to a PC on my LAN that was booted into a knoppix liveDVD
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16:10<debuser4235>back... $#%#R#%
16:10<enouf>tuxcrafter: naturally, i had to partition the disk, and mkfs on it prior ... then mount a dir/ there
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16:10<check>cahoot: thx ! your my first tab-completion :) congrats..
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16:11<debuser4235>DragonM: I don't see anything interesting in your dmesg... how about cat /proc/interrupts ?
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16:12<DragonM>I didn't see anything either. ANd oddly, I think I saw error messages on the console during boot that don't make it into dmesg.
16:12<debuser4235>check other logs
16:12<enouf>tuxcrafter: the gotchas coould be a) think about how and where, you will install your bootloader prior@! b) make sure your initrd contains the modules needed to boot into mdadm and mount the LVs (most should be in the debian linux-image-VERSION initrd-img.version already)
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16:13<enouf>tuxcrafter: if using grub1, make certain /boot is NOT on lvm
16:13<tuxcrafter>enouf: those last to are not my issue
16:13<DragonM>Proc interrupts at http://pastebin.com/d1dc8b831
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16:13<k1lumin4t1>hey
16:13<k1lumin4t1>why did openoffice.org-kde package get outsted from Debian Squeeze branch?
16:13<debuser4235>strage
16:13<tuxcrafter>enouf: i am wondering how do i make an mdraid or lvm when there is no linux system yet
16:13<debuser4235>big number for timer
16:14<debuser4235>I have
16:14<debuser4235> 0: 183 IO-APIC-edge timer
16:14<debuser4235>uptime 9 days
16:14<tuxcrafter>enouf: i am on a live usb stick/cd
16:14<DragonM>My uptime is 15 hours now.
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16:14<debuser4235>something is wrong
16:14<DragonM>I've noticed. :)
16:14<debuser4235>but I can't guess what
16:15<DragonM>I'm suspicious of my new hardware, though I wouldn't expect an IBM machine to be quite so quirky.
16:15<debuser4235>you started having this issue right after the upgrade, right?
16:15<DragonM>Yes. Within hours.
16:15<debuser4235>whthin? you mean it worked as expected a few hours?
16:16<debuser4235>within
16:16<DragonM>Yes.
16:16<DragonM>And does, each time it is rebooted.
16:16<enouf>tuxcrafter: what is the machine you intend to bootstrap running? or .. same machine?
16:16<tuxcrafter>enouf: i put the usb debian live stick on the machine i want to configure
16:16<tuxcrafter>normaly i just mount the partation and do my debootstrab magic
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16:17<tuxcrafter>but this time i want to make an mdraid on it and use lvm
16:17<enouf>tuxcrafter: i've found many broken tools on older livecds ... but i managed finally - as i said, i too was on a Knoppix DVD, and ssh;d into it
16:17<tuxcrafter>enouf: but did you do an mkraid and lvm
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16:18<brother->k1lumin4t1: KDE 3.5.10 is not in Squeeze because it's only KDE 4.x, and without knowing exactly I would guess that has to do with it
16:18<k1lumin4t1>brother-, oh. it could be
16:18<enouf>from another pc on my lan, so i could,ve done all setup from knoppix directly, but i liked being able to access my notes from my side - ofcourse, i could've done the reverse and ssh'd FROM knoppix to me too
16:18<brother->k1lumin4t1: openoffice.org-kde was infact replace by openoffice.org2-kde and is etch so it's old stable =9
16:19<brother->k1lumin4t1: in lenny you should be able to still use some version of it
16:19<tuxcrafter>i think i will just try to make the mdraid on the live usb stick and copy the config over to the debootstrab when there is an os on the actual disks...
16:19<k1lumin4t1>brother-, yes, but I'm on squeeze
16:19<enouf>that seems silly to me
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16:20<enouf>setup the disks. mdadm and lvm all prior - mkfs on it, then mount a dir in one lvm
16:20<enouf>er one LV
16:20<enouf>tuxcrafter: the installation guide has nice steps to follow., FWIW
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16:24<DragonM>Is there a problem if the AGP aperture doesn't agree with the BIOS setting?
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16:24<DragonM>dmesh says 128M aperture, but BIOS is set for 64M.
16:24<DragonM>dmesg...
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16:25<debuser4235>it doesn't matter
16:26<leejongwook>hi
16:26<tuxcrafter>enouf: enouf i mean how do i make an mkdraid and lvm when there is no system on the disk yet :D
16:27<leejongwook>i have a broken package, and when i run aptitude or apt-get to install a new program, it keeps offer me a solution(fix) which i don't like(remove).
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16:27<leejongwook>how do i mark that package as not broken ?
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16:27<leejongwook>BB --> i
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16:28<check>hey for the world and the archives ;) : apt-get install -d --reinstall <package> worked ..
16:28<check>nice channel ! bye
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16:29<DragonM>leejongwook: Explicitely remove the package and install it again.
16:29<leejongwook>can't do that 'cause it requires libgoo-canvas-perl
16:30<leejongwook>i need to upgrade my perl
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16:30<leejongwook>but it works fine
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16:30<debuser4235>DragonM: you could try a backport kernel for etch
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16:31<DragonM>Evidently the 2.4 series is available for etch. I'll try that, if rebooting after removal of hotplug doesn't solve it.
16:31<leejongwook>all i need to do is. upgrade perl but dont want to do that, and dont even know how, there must be some problem if i do that
16:31<enouf>tuxcrafter: i never heard of mkdraid
16:31<leejongwook>or mark that package normal
16:32<enouf>tuxcrafter: you boot an installer, or use your livecd tools
16:32<leejongwook>libgoo requires upper version of perl
16:32<southernc>what about mkdraid ?
16:32<debuser4235>unfortunately I don't know what triggers an INT0
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16:32<leejongwook>so i didn't install it, but works fine
16:32<enouf>southernc: is that a (possibly?) newer device-mapper raid?
16:32<southernc>no
16:33<leejongwook>shutter <-- this is the one that i installed without dependency
16:33<enouf>well wtf is it?
16:33<southernc>its not that new
16:33<debuser4235>I don't know how to debug, monitor such events... I don't think hotplug has anything to do with your problem
16:33<enouf>it aint mdadm
16:33<leejongwook>works fine :P but can't use apt-get or aptitude because of that
16:33<enouf>and it ain't debian
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16:33<DragonM>I don't know if it does or not.
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16:33<enouf>so .. go play with ubuntu elsewhere
16:34<DragonM>I'm suspicious of anything having to do with the hardware, right now.
16:34<southernc>its similiar to mdadm
16:34<bremner>leejongwook: You cannot mark packages as unbroken
16:34<southernc>its for making a software raid
16:34<enouf>i don't care, it's device-mapper raid, and it ain't Debian
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16:34<leejongwook>i see
16:34<leejongwook>:(
16:35<southernc>well you could technically use it on any flavor of linux
16:35<enouf>or .. worse, it's part of dmraid ... which shouldn't be used ...
16:35<bremner>leejongwook: You can use dpkg to remove the broken package, I think
16:35<DragonM>ssh right now is giving strange results. If I change directory, nothing is visible for a while, unless I press return again. Then suddenly the new prompt appears.
16:35<leejongwook>i can remove it
16:35<DragonM>If I change directory and wait long enough, the prompt appears.
16:36<leejongwook>but i dont want to, 'cause i really need the shutter
16:36<southernc>but not sure why any just wouldnt use mdadm
16:36<enouf>indeed
16:36<DragonM>It's like it won't send data unless it receives data.
16:36<enouf>unless, they're attempting their fakeraid mobo crap
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16:36<bremner>leejongwook: Try a backport
16:36<debuser4235>DragonM, don't bother with ssh
16:37<leejongwook>dont know about backport @_@
16:37<DragonM>I don't think it has anything to do with ssh itself. :)
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16:37<DragonM>That's just another symptom.
16:37<debuser4235>the problem is at the kernel level
16:37<debuser4235>ssh is just a userspace app
16:37<DragonM>Yes, I know. Symptom.
16:38<tuxcrafter>enouf: i think i figured some things out using mdadm to create the mdraid and just mounted the md partions and doing a normal bootstrap
16:38<leejongwook>bremner, or you can suggest me a good screen capture program :)
16:38<tuxcrafter>enouf: btw this is all debianh i dont use an other os
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16:38<leejongwook>need to capture specific area
16:39<leejongwook>not the whole thing, and not like gimp(complex)
16:39<southernc>tuxcrafter are you being this preinstall or after an install ?
16:39<bremner>leejongwook: Ask apt-cache
16:39<southernc>doing*
16:39<leejongwook>@_@
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16:41<leejongwook>http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2009/04/five-best-screen-capture-tools/ <-- all for win-duck :(
16:42<tuxcrafter>southernc: preinstall there is no os on the disk yets doing all work from a live usb stick and an ssh login onto the system
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16:42<bremner>ept-cache related foo # also good
16:42<leejongwook>@_@
16:42<DragonM>scrot - command line screen capture utility
16:42<leejongwook>:(
16:43<leejongwook>hehehehe
16:43<leejongwook>command line :P
16:43<tuxcrafter>enouf: lenny debootstrap is running now so it seems to go perfect
16:43<leejongwook>i can use gimp instead to capture an area
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16:43<debuser4235>DragonM: the INT0 counter keeps incrementing when the system is slow?
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16:43<leejongwook>but too much step
16:43<southernc>tuxcrafter its really quite easy to make a software raid using the installer
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16:44<DragonM>Now says: 0: 10156902 IO-APIC-edge timer
16:44<DragonM>Was last: 0: 10156842 IO-APIC-edge timer
16:44<DragonM>So yes, but not very much.
16:45<enouf>tuxcrafter: who cares
16:45<enouf>it ain't debian
16:45<DragonM>That might be the right amount.
16:45<leejongwook>thanks all :) i'll find out :P
16:45<enouf>so i don't
16:45<leejongwook>:>
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16:45<southernc>according to huim its debian...
16:46<enouf>~$ apt-file search mkdraid
16:46<enouf>~$
16:46<enouf>happy?
16:46<enouf>!find mkdraid
16:46<debuser4235>DragonM: what utility do you use to visualize the cpu usage?
16:46<southernc>lol so if i use bitchx im not using debian ?
16:46<enouf>i'm on sid with all main contrib non-free and it's updated
16:47<DragonM>It has gkrellmd installed, and I normally have gkrellm connected to it.
16:47<enouf>southernc: that's not what i said .. and you know it
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16:47<DragonM>It's so bad right now that gkrellm can't maintain a connection.
16:47<DragonM>top won't run reasonably either. THe screen doesn't update.
16:47<southernc>run htop
16:47<DragonM>I found out what cpu usage was by ps auxwww and scrolling through the results.
16:47<dpkg>Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mkdraid' returned no results.
16:48<enouf>southernc: the person wants help installing using tools that aren't supported, nor in debian - help all you want - i said I DON"T CARE, not you don't care
16:48<southernc>pfft your no fun
16:48<enouf>yuo don't know me .. heh, ask around :-)
16:49*DragonM tries an htop install...
16:49<southernc>ive seen you in here before and a few other times
16:49<enouf>am i supposed to respond to that or something?
16:49<bja>enouf, southernc: Is that usefull?
16:49<leejongwook>hooha too hot
16:49<southernc>is what usefull
16:50<leejongwook>time to take shower :P
16:50<bja>gentlemen -> #debian-offtopic
16:50<DragonM>The apparent bickering...
16:50<southernc>were not bickering
16:50<southernc>we were discussing package management
16:50<tuxcrafter>enouf: what are you talking about it is no debian? who tolled you that? i only use debian ...
16:51<DragonM>apt told him.
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16:51<DragonM>Me, I just googled. Bug 4698 - raidtools mkdraid aborts
16:51<DragonM>on redhat.com...
16:52<DragonM>It's not even debian-derivative.
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16:52<southernc>tuxcrafter i think he thinks cause of you using mkdraid which isnt used specifically for debian debian uses mdam etc
16:52<tuxcrafter>DragonM: where did this mkdraid think come from i dont use that software at all
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16:52<tuxcrafter>i use mdadm to make mdraids :D
16:52<DragonM><tuxcrafter> enouf: enouf i mean how do i make an mkdraid and lvm when there
16:52<DragonM> is no system on the disk yet :D
16:52<DragonM>From you.
16:53<tuxcrafter>em typo ...
16:53<tuxcrafter>i use these commands: mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1
16:53<DragonM>Which is what I figured. :P
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16:53<southernc><tuxcrafter> enouf: enouf i mean how do i make an mkdraid and lvm when there is no system on the disk yet :D
16:53-!-stroyan [~mike@97-122-217-225.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #debian
16:53*DragonM watches aptitude trying miserably to install htop.
16:53<leejongwook>a gift for Debian user : http://paste.ubuntu.com/246674/ <-- :) add or remove sudoer easily, python script COPYLEFT @_@ hehe
16:54<tuxcrafter>enouf: sorry for the confusion dont worry i only use debian :D
16:54<leejongwook>see you all later :) and thanks again :P
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16:54<southernc>DragonM, why ?
16:55<southernc>i bet leejongwook is asian
16:55<DragonM>Why am I installing it? Or why is is having a miserable time?
16:55<southernc>miserable time
16:55<DragonM>I wish I knew.
16:55<DragonM>That's the reason I'm here.
16:56<southernc>well whats it doing ?
16:56<DragonM>Everything on that machine is having a miserable time.
16:56<DragonM>Extremely unresponsive.
16:56<southernc>are you using etch, lenny , sid , sidux
16:56<southernc>?
16:56-!-plinio [~plinio@157.Red-83-44-161.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
16:56<DragonM>etch, upgraded from sarge less than 24 hours ago.
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16:57<DragonM>Oh hey, htop managed to put up a screen. unlike top
16:57<southernc>told ya :)
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16:57<southernc>easier to kill process's too
16:57<DragonM>Uuuhm. It claims 100% usage. I think. O_o
16:58<DragonM>Unfamiliar display...
16:58-!-hw [~hw@167.Red-88-14-179.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit []
16:58<DragonM>While showing no processing using over 0.1%.
16:58<DragonM>Doesn't seem to be updating its display though...
16:58-!-DebiEA [~esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #debian
16:58<DragonM>It managed to spit out one screen full and hasn't changed since.
16:58<DragonM>Load average 0.00 0.01 0.00
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16:59<DragonM>Lost him...
16:59<southernc>prolly woulda been better of doing a clean install
16:59<DragonM>Maybe, but I don't have 8 years to reconfigure everything. :P
16:59<southernc>backup ?
16:59<southernc>lol
17:00<DragonM>Like I said, it started life as a potato installation.
17:00<southernc>and is now being a snail evouloution :)
17:00<DragonM>Configuration portability is... problematic.
17:00<DragonM>I had enough trouble going from sarge to etch.
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17:00<DebiEA>Hi, long time since I've reinstalled Debian. Now I'm stuck with getting my ATI-drivers working. I have installed ATI- clesed drivers and I just ran "sudo aticonfig --initial". When I do fglxinfo it doesn't show the "right" stuff..
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17:01<southernc>Debi What card do you have ?
17:01<DebiEA>ATI HD3650 ..
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17:01<southernc>where did you get clesed drivers from ?
17:01<DragonM>htop never has managed to update its screen.
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17:01<DebiEA>AT/AMD homepage... same as I used in Debian 4.0 60 min ago
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17:02<southernc>never heard of clesed
17:02<southernc>Debie what kernel are you using ?
17:02<DebiEA>well, not closed ... I meant Propriary (can't spell it.. = called it "closed instead)...
17:02<DragonM>I'm assuming htop defaults to CPU usage sort order on startup?
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17:03<southernc>Dragon yes
17:03<DebiEA>Linuxea 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 26 20:35:48 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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17:03<southernc>Debie do this
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17:04<adama>DragonM: it defaults to previous sort order, first will be by cpu
17:04<southernc>apt-get install module-assistant
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17:04<DebiEA>southernc, ... done
17:04<DragonM>66/242MB mem in use, swap use negligible.
17:04<DragonM>Listed as 0.
17:05<southernc>apt-get install fglrx-driver fglrx-kernel-src linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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17:05<southernc>and apt-get build-essential
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17:06<DebiEA>can't find package fglrx-driver
17:06<southernc>ermm
17:06<southernc>you have non free repos's
17:06<southernc>?
17:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 417] by debhelper
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17:07<plinio>repositories Debi?
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17:07<plinio>maybe is it
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17:07<DebiEA>hm, I havn't set those up yet.. I will do that right away
17:07<southernc>just add contrib non-free to current ones
17:07<DragonM>Hmm. How do I retrieve my current CPU clock rate?
17:07<southernc>at the end
17:07<southernc>dragon
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17:08<southernc>less /proc/cpu
17:08<southernc>err
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17:08<southernc>less /proc/cpuinfo
17:08<southernc>there we go
17:08<LordMetroid>Is there any development channel?
17:08<DebiEA>southernc, Hm, Im lost now.. where do I add that .. I though sources.list was the way to add 'em
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17:08<DragonM>There's a new sources.d directory.
17:09<southernc>DebiEA, yes the current repos you have in your sources.list
17:09<LordMetroid>I am wondering, is there a decision for next release to not contain any blobs?
17:09<DragonM>New to those of us coming up from the Mesozoic era, anyway. :)
17:09<southernc>/etc/apt/sources.list
17:09<DragonM>CPU frequency seems normal. No strange powersaving mode happening.
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17:10<southernc>DebiEA, for instance you should have by dwefault something like deb http://ftp-mirror.internap.com/pub/debian/ lenny main
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17:10<southernc>just add contrib non-free to the end
17:10<DebiEA>(sry Im slow..) but exactly where in sources.list do I add it..
17:10<DebiEA>end of what ?
17:11<DebiEA>after "main"?
17:11<southernc>so it looks like this deb http://ftp-mirror.internap.com/pub/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
17:11<southernc>yarp
17:11<DragonM>htop now saying 0.1% CPU usage, after stopping and starting it twice to get the screen to refresh.
17:11<southernc>DragonM, lol ?
17:11<southernc>something gotta be fubar'ed
17:11<southernc>you look in dmesg ?
17:11<DragonM>Yeah. See pastebin link in scrollback.
17:11<DragonM>OR shall I find it for you...
17:12<DragonM>http://pastebin.com/d985b2ba
17:12<DragonM>0.3% CPU now, again stopping and restarting to see a change.
17:13<tuxcrafter>whoes stoped the halt deamon instead of the hal deamon :D
17:13<DragonM>Hitting F1 and any key now to refresh. :)
17:14<DragonM>The sshd I'm connected to dominates the list when I do that. At 2.6% total, 0.5% for the sshd. Everything else shows at 0.0 CPU%
17:14<DragonM>And that's just weird. Another refresh, 82% CPU usage, still no process over 0.1%
17:14<DragonM>And that was htop itself.
17:15<southernc>i dont see anything wrong in dmesg other then it would be smarter to run a raid 0 + 5 rather then a raid 1 + 0 lol
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17:15<DebiEA>southernc, is this right "deb http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free"
17:15<DragonM>There's no raid configured at all, at the moment. What it doesn't tell you is it's not enabling any raid anywhere.
17:15<southernc>certainyl so but you gotyta add it to the whole list
17:15<southernc>not just one
17:16<southernc>ermm did i read that wrong....
17:16<DragonM>My dmesg? Doubt it. It's just... not comprehensive.
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17:17<DragonM>Evidently stuff that goes to stderr doesn't get captured.
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17:18<JohnNy64>Hmm, now this is definitely strange... I'm not running KDE, but still I like some of their apps. When I try to run any KDE4 app, it fails with "kdeinit4: Communication error with launcher. Exiting!"
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17:18<JohnNy64>Tried to google for that one but Google is full of users who get this message when they try to run something as root.
17:19<southernc>johnny thats cause root isnt supposed to be able to launch anything from a tty
17:19<JohnNy64>I get it as a regular who runs the session.
17:19<JohnNy64>dbus running and all.
17:19<JohnNy64>That's what I wanted to say.
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17:20<DragonM>I guess I'm going to blame my kernel, and try a different one. That's all I can come up with.
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17:20<DragonM>It's 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP right now.
17:20<southernc>ermm i dont wanna give you the wrong info cause i use like 5 different distros and there all different but have you changes anything in xorg.conf ?
17:21<bja>DragonM: Easiest way out, get a new sysadmin :)
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17:21<southernc>DragonM, go for the bleeding edge get 2.6.30-3 :)
17:21<southernc>j/k dont do that it would prolly fubar everything
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17:22<plinio>in 2.6.30-3, sure ATI do not work, sorry
17:22<bja>southernc: Getting a new sysadminv version 2.6.30-3 ?
17:22<southernc>it does with patching the kernel headers and fglrx
17:22<albi>Green Sql makes me problems at etch
17:22<JohnNy64>southernc: Was that one about xorg.conf for me? Didn't change anything since I could run KDE4 apps for the last time.
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17:23<southernc>bja no he was talkign about getting a new kernel
17:23<DragonM>That'd be me, bja. :P
17:23<plinio>better, 2.6.26 versions
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17:23<southernc>it does with patching the kernel headers and fglrx
17:23<bja>southernc: I know, the DragonM Has been fighting for hours, he needs a little rest from time to time
17:23<southernc>zz sorry
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17:24<bja>a good joke can help sometimes, as long as it is good :)
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17:24<DragonM>And when it's not good? :P
17:24<DragonM>Hand me a shovel...
17:24<southernc>apparently Debie didnt wanna know the rest of the equation lol
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17:25<bja>DragonM: The most frustrating release i worked with was etch, since testing was the bumpiest ride ever on Debian
17:25<debuser4235>DragonM
17:25<plinio>intel, intel, intel
17:25<southernc>i dunnn o i had a hell of a time getting drivers to work on sidux
17:25*DragonM years for the days of 3 year release cycles....
17:25<DragonM>yearns
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17:25<plinio>ati kaput, ati kaput
17:25<DragonM>Can't spell, either.
17:26<southernc>yea ati driver support sucks
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17:26<southernc>tab confusing at first with the way hald handles mouse and keyboard now
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17:26<southernc>instead of xorg
17:27<DragonM>I love the optimism of naming the packages linux-image-blah.
17:27<DragonM>LIke hurd might actually exist someday.
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17:27<southernc>damentz makes custom kernel called liqourix :)
17:27<handjob>Good evning gentleman. I am big boy but sometimes i like to play some gaymes so was it this time but after downloading various rar files i have hard time extracting them (those are mainly sis or jar files) 7z and unrar returns errors : unrar = 'error' 7z 'unsuported method' however they sometimes extract but don't work. Any suggestions?
17:28<debuser4235>DragonM, are you using a SMP kernel? why?
17:28<DragonM>Not intentionally.
17:28<DragonM>aptitude did it to me.
17:28<southernc>sure blame aptitude :)
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17:28<DragonM>I asked for the transition package and that's what I got.
17:28<debuser4235>try a non SMP kernel
17:29<DragonM>linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 <-- that?
17:29<debuser4235>if it doesn't work, try a backport kernel
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17:29<debuser4235>no
17:29<DebiEA>southernc, I have added all the contrib non.... to my sources.list but still can't find fglrx-driver when running "sudo apt-get install fglxr-kernel-src linux-headers-$(uname -r)"
17:29<southernc>did you do apt-get update first ?
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17:30<DebiEA>ah, god aIm stupid today
17:30<southernc>do update your cache ?
17:30<southernc>to*
17:30<southernc>its ok we all have our moments
17:30<plinio>debi, pleezze, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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17:31<euphorik>is there another way to update that dist-upgrade wouldn't cover? dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade compiz
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17:31<debuser4235>I'm not sure what's up with etch and a half... cat /etc/debian_version
17:31<plinio>not upgrade not, sorry
17:31<southernc>DebiEA, news ?
17:31<debuser4235>and post /etc/apt/sources.list
17:31<DragonM>4.0
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17:32<DebiEA>southernc, You're the best.. =)
17:32<southernc>did you try fglrxinfo ?
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17:32<southernc>n/m thats not right
17:32<DebiEA>yup .. It's working again
17:32<southernc>ok good
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17:33<southernc>:)
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17:33<debuser4235>DragonM: what's your cpu?
17:33<DragonM>Such discipline. Nobody fed the troll.
17:33<southernc>pentium 1
17:33<southernc>lol
17:33<DragonM>Celeron. :P
17:33<debuser4235>aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-686
17:33<DragonM>Uh, Celeron Northwood, I believe.
17:33<debuser4235>Celeron P4?
17:33<debuser4235>do aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-686
17:33<DragonM>Yes.
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17:33<debuser4235>reboot
17:33-!-bastiao_ [~bastiao@bl8-167-36.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:33<debuser4235>uninstall the smp kernel
17:33<DragonM>Replacing a Pentium II.
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17:33<DragonM>Which I'm now regretting. :P
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17:34<southernc>CPU0: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.20GHz stepping 09
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17:34<DragonM>Perhaps dpkg would be helpful: ii kernel-image-2.6-686 2.6.18+6etch3 Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 - transition package
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17:35<DragonM>kernel-image-2.6-686 is what got me into this mess. :P
17:35<debuser4235>you said you have the 686 smp kernel
17:36<southernc>you should get something more like
17:36<DragonM>That's what uname says, yes.
17:36<southernc>model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
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17:36<justfil>Why is 'python' taking about 20% of my cpu? Is this right?
17:36<debuser4235>type dpkg --get-selections | grep -i linux-image
17:37-!-mode/#debian [+l 409] by debhelper
17:37<southernc>or dpgke -l | grep linux-image
17:37<DragonM>linux-image-2.6-686 install
17:37<DragonM>linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 install
17:37<southernc>or dpkg -l | grep linux-image
17:37<DragonM>I can figure out your typos. :)
17:37<DragonM>ii linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.18+6etch3 Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
17:37<DragonM>ii linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 2.6.18.dfsg.1-24 Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
17:37<southernc>glad someone can
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17:38<DragonM>And 2.6.18 is indeed what's running.
17:38<debuser4235>no smp?
17:38<debuser4235>no smp kernel?
17:38<DragonM>With SMP.
17:38<DragonM>babydragon:~# uname -a
17:38<DragonM>Linux babydragon 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Sat Dec 27 09:31:05 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
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17:39<DragonM>Unhelpful SMP...
17:40<debuser4235>SMP=for 2 core cpus or more
17:40<debuser4235>but you don't have the smp kernel installed
17:40*DragonM mumbles something under his breath about repeating the obvious.
17:40<debuser4235>whatever... try the bpo kernel
17:40<debuser4235>:)
17:40<DragonM>Never said I did. I just pasted what uname says, and everybody ran with it.
17:41<southernc>Symmetric MultiProcessing
17:41<DragonM>I can't help it if it lies. :P
17:41<southernc>but i thought that was handlesd by modprobe
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17:41*southernc shrugz
17:42<DragonM>Not that I know of. On my actual multiprocessor systems, dating back to a dual Pentium II, the core kernel had to be built for SMP.
17:42<DragonM>And... bpo?
17:42<debuser4235>there's a sepparate smp package
17:42<debuser4235>http://www.backports.org/
17:42<debuser4235>a backport kernel
17:42<DragonM>Oh.
17:42<debuser4235>a newer kernel build for etch
17:43<DragonM>Do I want newer or older? :)
17:43<debuser4235>read the instructions
17:43<DragonM>I liked my 2.4.18. It worked. >_>
17:43<debuser4235>quote "Backports are recompiled packages from testing (mostly) and unstable (in a few cases only, e.g. security updates), so they will run without new libraries (wherever it is possible) on a stable Debian distribution. I recommend you to pick out single backports which fits your needs, and not to use all backports available here."
17:43<southernc>if you have drivers compiled for a specific kernel theyll have to be recompiled
17:43<DragonM>I don't.
17:43<DragonM>It's a stock package.
17:43<southernc>ahh
17:44<DragonM>I used to build my own kernels when I had SCSI cards to deal with, but that's ancient history.
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17:44<southernc>i like it when your eyes start to cross reading all the options in make
17:45<southernc>good therapy to put you to sleep
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17:45<DragonM>For the kernel? What are you nuts? make menuconfig :P
17:45<southernc>well thats what i meantfg
17:45<southernc>meant*
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17:46<DragonM>Oh. Nah. That's easy. Reading the raw options, now that's bad. :)
17:46<debuser4235>:)
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17:46<DragonM>ENOUGH_CAPITAL_LETTERS_FOR_A_LIFETIME
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17:46<southernc>haha yea
17:47<southernc>ok morwe coffee brb
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17:51<DragonM>Back to watchign aptitude miserably trying to accomplish things...
17:51<DragonM>icanhasupdate?
17:52<tarzeau>DragonM: and apt-get ?
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17:53<phorce1>How do I find out what causes this error? E: Build-dependencies for postfix could not be satisfied.
17:53<phorce1>(from apt-get build-dep postfix)
17:53<phorce1>it's a pretty vague error, WHAT build-dependencies can't be satisfied?
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17:55<DragonM>apt-get has the same problems, tarzeau. My system is sick.
17:55<DragonM>7 kilobytes per second on my 50 megabit line...
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17:56<DragonM>How about.... linux-image-2.6.26-bpo.2-686
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17:56<debuser4235>yes
17:57-!-drakeman [~drakeman@selena.electrisa.com] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
17:58<debuser4235>but...
17:58<debuser4235>forget it
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17:58<DragonM>Hrm. Does backports have a keyring?
17:58<themill>phorce1: which version of postfix are you trying to compile and in which version of debian?
17:58<themill>DragonM: yes
17:58<debuser4235>yes
17:58<DragonM>It's fussing at me about unsigned packages.
17:59<debuser4235>read the instructions
17:59<debuser4235>wget -O - http://backports.org/debian/archive.key | apt-key add -
17:59<DragonM>The instructions are for lenny. Same key?
17:59<debuser4235>yes
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18:00<debuser4235>eb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free
18:00<debuser4235>in sources.list
18:00<debuser4235>deb*
18:00<DragonM>Yeah, I figured that part out. :)
18:00<DragonM>How do you think I got that package name? :)
18:00<debuser4235>I can only guess :)
18:01<DragonM>Ouija board...
18:01<phorce1>themill: lenny ---- 2.5.5
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18:02*DragonM twiddles thumbs while the kernel figures out how to run wget...
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18:02<southernc>i dont personally think its the kernel
18:02<southernc>but have a stab at it
18:02<themill>phorce1: lenny's postfix package can most certainly be compiled in lenny. Check the output of "apt-cache showsrc postfix" to see what packages it wants and what you've got.
18:02<DragonM>You've got a better model ouija board? :)
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18:04<southernc>why would you wanna compile postifx from source when it runs fine pretty much out of the box
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18:04<DragonM>20 megs? Oh bog...
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18:04<phorce1>themill: that's the command I was looking for. Looks like I have a sid src line in sources.list. source is trying to grab 2.6.2~rc1.1
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18:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 400] by debhelper
18:07<DragonM>Only 2 minutes 5 seconds to fetch the package. Huh.
18:07<DragonM>Can't tell it's happening while it does it, 'cause it never manages to update the screen, but hey...
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18:07<southernc>if in 45 minutes its not you can pretty much determine its not gonna finish lol
18:07<themill>phorce1: ahh... that's going to be the problem, then. BTW both "aptitude build-dep" and dpkg-buildpackage are more informative about what build-deps can't be satisfied.
18:08<DragonM>It's unpacking.
18:08<phorce1>themill: well crap --- same error. I wish apt-get build-dep would tell me which deps it has issues with. apt-cache showsrc postfix now shows 2.5.5-1.1
18:08<DragonM>Another process painful for it.
18:08<phorce1>themill: OK, I'll try aptitude
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18:08<stew>phorce1: i sent a patch to apt years ago to fix that, it never gets applied though
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18:09<stew>its like a one line change too
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18:09<DragonM>They're hoping apt-get dies, alone and unloved.
18:10<thim>Hey all! I need some help with video card (Trident). Somebody can help?
18:10<stew>!dbugs 145916
18:10<dpkg>#145916:M[apt] [apt-get] More descriptive errors when build-depends cannot be satisfied (e.g., due to pinning) (patch); Sun, 05 May 2002 19:03:03 UTC [167882 276025]
18:11<phorce1>Much better -- I never would have picked out which dep was failing. aptitude tells me I have libpq from bpo installed. Now I get to find out what wants to break when I downgrade it to stable
18:11<southernc>be better off asking the question rather then asking to ask a question
18:11<DragonM>And I thought I was determined to keep old hardware around...
18:11<justfil>How can i get the latest Nautilus version? Mine's 2.20.0 and the latest is 2.26.3. I want it mostly because of the tabs support.
18:11<southernc>your doing pretty good :)
18:11<southernc>justfill its prolly in experimental or testing repos
18:12<DragonM>Hey now. Just 'cause I still have a pentium III in service... :P
18:12<themill>phorce1: libpq-dev is also on backports.org
18:12<southernc>check debian package site...
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18:12<southernc>ehh if it works and does what you want it to why spend money on a new one
18:12<DragonM>My sentiments exactly.
18:13<phorce1>themill: but the build-dep for postfix is trying to force the stable version, not the bpo version. Lemme try installing the bpo version alone first
18:13<DragonM>I'm only going through this agony because it could no longer do what I want.
18:14<DragonM>So I blew $100 on a used Celeron. I's a big spender.
18:14<phorce1>themill: that worked
18:14<themill>phorce1: yeah, you'll need to do that because you presumably have pinning that will stop apt picking up the bpo version on its own and the -dev package has a tight version dependency on the library itself
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18:14<phorce1>(install of bpo libpq-dev before running build-dep)
18:15<justfil>southernc, when i try to remove the old nautilus it wants to remove the whole gnome, how can i remove nautilus without removing gnome
18:15<ric>would someone test my website for me?
18:15<phorce1>having bpo around is nice but using it causes brain pain sometimes
18:15<themill>dpkg: tell justfil about unmarkauto
18:15<themill>phorce1: yeah
18:16<phorce1>I only used it the first time to get the fixed pidgin
18:16<thim>Somebody can help me with video card (Trident Blade3D/ProMedia)? I have resolution problem
18:16<DragonM>The first one's always free....
18:16<phorce1>ric: what's the address and what needs to be tested?
18:16<DragonM>Details, thim. Ask your question.
18:17<ric>its http://www.nexusmp3.com
18:17<DragonM>I can only help you with the diffidence though. Not with the hardware. :P
18:17<justfil>thanks, southernc
18:18<DragonM>Oh look. Spam.
18:18*DragonM closes lynx.
18:18<phorce1>ric: I'm not going there without some idea that I'm not going to get hammered by popunders. What needs to be tested that you can't test yourself
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18:18<DragonM>I do believe lynx is completely and totally invulnerable to popunders. :)
18:19<enouf>haha
18:19<ric>o I just wanted to see if my port is open properly, there is no funny stuff on the site
18:19<enouf>so is links2 .. in graphics mode even
18:19<thim>So i cant change my resolution. I want 1024x768 but i cant. Deufault is 800x600
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18:19<thim>I tryed configuration xorg.conf but dont work
18:19<DragonM>Does that model of Trident have enough memory to function at 1024x768?
18:19<ric>also I want to know if the picture comes up fast
18:20<bremner>ric: I think this is a bit off-topic for the channel
18:20<thim>Yes when i work at WinXp, I can use that resolution.
18:21<debuser4235>at what bit depth?
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18:21<thim>16 bit
18:21<phorce1>ric: it's open -- now fix your links
18:22<thim>btw.im begginer debian user
18:22<Slurb>ric fix your whole page
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18:22<DragonM>The only link I followed worked. The rest looked like typical domain squatter pseudo-search-engine crap.
18:22<DragonM>Machine generated ad-revenue-mongering useless junk.
18:23<DragonM>I think he's scrounged enough hits.
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18:23<ric>I don't make money from the site
18:23<craigevil>thim: try using kompozer
18:23<ric>you're rude
18:24<DragonM>Not half as rude as I could be if I knew what policy was for this channel...
18:24<craigevil>opps that was meant for ric
18:24<thim>what is kompozer?
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18:25<ric>kompozer is that for proper html
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18:29<stuckey>I'm trying to install a game that needs the 32 bit libraries. How do I do this?
18:29<stuckey>I use 64 bit debian
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18:29<cobra-the-joker>Hey there guys ....i cant play rmvb ( RealPlayer formats) in mplayer ...how can i ?
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18:30<euphorik>i've tried everything i can think of to get flash going on amd64.. anyone know of a way that for sure works?
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18:31<phorce1>actually just quit using direct links. I can grab any of my web folders and move them to any server and they work just fine
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18:32<DragonM>mplayer requires a binary codec to play RealPlayer formats. They can be had here: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html#binary_codecs
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18:33<craigevil>cobra-the-joker: if you have w32codecs installed it should work, although you might need to install either helix or realplayer from dmm
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18:33<cobra-the-joker>craigevil , i have w32 codecs ...i have put it in the usr/lib/codecs
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18:33<cobra-the-joker>and win32
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18:34<cobra-the-joker>craigevil , is this the right place ??
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18:35<DragonM>Should be.
18:35<DragonM>Then mplayer needs some setup. Try this procedure: http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/27/how-to-play-rmvb-files-in-ubuntu/
18:35<DragonM>(With screenshots. Yay.)
18:36<DragonM>You can skip down to step 8, most likely.
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18:36<craigevil>cobra-the-joker: if its in the browser to just right click and look at the settings there is a box to check for it to play real media
18:37<cobra-the-joker>craigevil , pardon me ...i dont understand what you meen
18:38<craigevil>cobra-the-joker: if mplayer is playing in your browser right click the mplayer window and look in settings/preferences then click the play real media box
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18:40<cobra-the-joker>craigevil , same error
18:41<craigevil>try the guide DragonM posted should work just fine
18:41<cobra-the-joker>ok
18:41<cobra-the-joker>but really realPlayer in linux sux :(
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18:42<cobra-the-joker>its optimal in windows ...but in linux ..nah
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18:42<craigevil>cobra-the-joker: i would just install realplayer from dmm, although i really havent seen that much real media its mostly asf, wma stuff
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18:45<cobra-the-joker>i hope that these are the real one's
18:45<cobra-the-joker>as the rmvb is like a standard in videos here :D
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18:48<AlexMax>Got a question. I just got a box that has a fresh Debian install on it. However, the apt sources list is a little curious, it has security, volitile, but no 'stable' entries
18:49<AlexMax>I'm also getting a lot of locally created packages in aptitude
18:49<AlexMax>Does this mean that I should be running stable, volitile and security repos?
18:49<craigevil>add stable and comment out the cd/dvd lines
18:49<AlexMax>Thanks
18:49<themill>as soon as you add a real mirror, the "obsolete or locally created" packages will no longer be obsolete
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18:51<AlexMax>Current status: 10 updates [+10], 21559 new [+21559].
18:52<AlexMax>That did it, thanks
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18:53<bertrand>hi
18:53<bertrand>I've got a real strange problem ...
18:54<bertrand>I can't write to folder as root, where de permissions are 755 and root is the owner
18:54<bertrand>the folder is /usr/bin
18:54<binarymutant>hey what's the difference between news.debian.net and planet debian?
18:54<DragonM>Filesystem mounted read-only?
18:55<justfil>I can't change the time with 'time-admin'. I adjust the time and when I click 'close', nothing happens?
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18:55<bertrand>I don't think, because it's on 2 partitions, 1 for root folder, 1 for the rest...
18:55<binarymutant>justfil, did you change the time in t he bios?
18:56<justfil>Um, no, i don't think so
18:56<bertrand>I can write to /usr/games but not to /usr/bin... same rights same owner, same partition
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18:57<DragonM>What's the nature of the can't write problem?
18:57<binarymutant>is news.debian.net = debian-devel ?
18:57<bertrand>I can't write to folder as root, where de permissions are 755 and root is the owner
18:57<binarymutant>err debian-devel-announce
18:57<DragonM>Does touch work?
18:57<bertrand>nop
18:58<DragonM>When was the last fsck?
18:58<bertrand>touch don't, echo e > a dosn't too
18:58<bertrand>a long time ago ^^
18:58<DragonM>That's worrisome. :)
18:59<DragonM>One supposes the filesystem isn't full...
18:59<bertrand>but this server is in production and I've a bad feeling about fsvk
18:59<bertrand>Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
19:00<bertrand>.
19:00<DragonM>fsck can be horrifying, but there's not really another choice.
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19:00<bertrand>I've crash another system with that ^^
19:00<bertrand>hda1 26912760 2385860 23159772 10% /
19:00<bertrand>-> not full
19:01<DragonM>If that's where /usr is...
19:01<bertrand>dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1
19:01<bertrand>dev/hda3 /root ext3 defaults 0 2
19:01<bertrand>-> yes
19:02<bertrand>any way to view the current state of a mounted folder ?
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19:02<DragonM>By typing mount with no parameters.
19:02<bertrand> mount
19:02<bertrand>dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
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19:02<DragonM>Says rw, so it's writable.
19:03<DragonM>It'd say (ro,errors=remount-ro) if it had gone paranoid.
19:03<bertrand>yes, 'cause I can write to /usr/local/bin
19:03<bertrand>but not to /usr/bin
19:03<DragonM>What error do you get?
19:04<stroyan>bertrand: getfacl /usr/bin may show that there is an access control list preventing writes.
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19:04<cobra-the-joker>hurray ....rmvb works now :D
19:04<bertrand>ll show :
19:04<bertrand>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 12288 2009-07-08 13:36 bin
19:04<bertrand>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-01-13 10:44 games
19:04<bertrand>touch bin/aze
19:04<bertrand>touch: cannot touch `bin/aze': Permission denied
19:04<Supaplex>blame selinux. ;)
19:04<stroyan>bertrand: I would also be suspicious of selinix or apparmor getting in the way.
19:04<DragonM>It's a feature. >_>
19:04<Supaplex>is he root?
19:04<DragonM>He thinks he is.
19:04<bertrand>I am
19:05<Supaplex>if it's mounted ro, it would say ro filesystem.
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19:05<bertrand>no apparmo or selinux installed
19:05<DragonM>Congrats cobra-the-joker. Richard Stallman curses your name. You may continue your regularly scheduled life. :)
19:05<Supaplex>it might be +i. lsattr bin/aze bin
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19:05<cobra-the-joker>lol
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19:06<DragonM>And after 45 minutes, mkinitramfs-kpkg has completed. I have a new kernel. WHich I'm not going to try until I can go home and poke it on its little console.
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19:07<bertrand>lsattr -d bin
19:07<bertrand>s---ia------------ bin
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19:08<bertrand>lsattr -d games/
19:08<bertrand>------------------ games/
19:08<DragonM>Freaky. What's +i?
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19:08<bertrand>different than games... but why, and how to correct it ?
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19:11<bertrand>I take games as example, it's empty ^^
19:11<AlexMax>Question. If I update motd.tail, can I simply run /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh by itself and it will update? Or will running that have undesirable effects on an already running system?
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19:12<bertrand>just edit /etc/motd.tail
19:12<bertrand>the welcome message will change
19:12<AlexMax>automatically?
19:12<bertrand>yes
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19:13<bertrand>when you connect, the session start and echoes motd.tail
19:13<AlexMax>Not happening for me
19:14<AlexMax>According to this:
19:14<AlexMax>http://www.matthew.ath.cx/cgi-bin/man/man2html?motd.tail+5
19:14<AlexMax>motd is built on startup by /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
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19:15<bertrand>just start /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
19:16<DebiEA>Hi, I have a few questions about what Im doing wrong when compileing SMplayer from source to a .deb package. I have downloaded the source and done the "./create_deb.sh" after extracting the tarball (tar xvfj etc...) ... Whats the next step to get it working ?
19:16<Supaplex>bertrand: +i is immutable. man lsattr. use chattr -i <target> to remove it.
19:16<DragonM>You can read bootmisc.sh yourself if you want AlexMax. It's just a shell script.
19:16<AlexMax>Ah, its' just two lines
19:16<binarymutant>DebiEA, did it create a deb?
19:17<AlexMax>I basically copied the two lines out of it and created a mini shell script in my root folder with it
19:17<AlexMax>Worked like a champ
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19:17<DebiEA>binarymutant, not what I can see.. No failure during the process though.. Where might the .deb be ?
19:18<binarymutant>DebiEA, in the current folder probably
19:19<DebiEA>well, something must have gone wrong.. it's just not there.. i'll do the generic compilation instead. Im more familiar with that
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19:21<binarymutant>DebiEA, you could always use the one in Ubuntu's repos :)
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19:21<bertrand>THANKS supaplex, it worked whith chattr !!
19:22<DebiEA>binarymutant, .. tried the ubuntu intrepid but it wouldn't work :S .. Well generic compilation just take some more time :)
19:22<craigevil>why not just backport it from sid?
19:22<craigevil>!ssb
19:22<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
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19:22<bertrand>and now the 10 point question : how did this folder get these parameters ...
19:24<binarymutant>DebiEA, ya it's in sid
19:24<enouf>themill: heh, a nice way to tell people what sid is .. and what it is not? http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html ;-)
19:24<enouf>(think factoid manufacturing ;-))
19:24<themill>yeah, read that one
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19:25<themill>dpkg, sid faq is also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html
19:25<dpkg>themill: okay
19:25<euphorik>has anyone successfully install flash 10 for amd64?
19:25<craigevil>enouf: hehe thats what i always tell ppl just wait a couple of days, aptitude updated just fine today
19:26<DebiEA>binarymutant, Okay, :) but Im running generic now.. thank anyways :)
19:26<craigevil>euphorik: use flashplugin-nonfree from backports.org
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19:28<achury>Hello
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19:29<achury>I need some help about dial-up internet conection on debian stable
19:29<euphorik>craigevil: i think i know what my issue is (i've tried -nonfree from backports).. i think it's because i'm not useing iceweasel, i'm using actual firefox
19:29<abrotman>pppconfig
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19:30<euphorik>i think i have it in the wrong spot
19:30<achury>I only have internet acces using dial-up with serial fax.modem, after install debian with disk 1 ppp installed but I'm unable to start net
19:31<achury>I get the icon on net administration but don't start session
19:31<achury>I can't find wvdial, appear that is not included on disk 1
19:32<bertrand>Bye and thanks a lot !
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19:33<abrotman>achury: it should be .. but pppconfig also should be
19:33<achury>:-/
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19:34<achury>OK, I'll try this...
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19:37<craigevil>euphorik: did you link to iceweasel plugin dir to the firefox plugin one?
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19:38<craigevil>euphorik: ln -s /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins pathtofirefoxplugins
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19:45<euphorik>craigevil: nope that may be why
19:45<euphorik>lemme try that
19:46<euphorik>still no go
19:47<craigevil>might try the adobe 64bit just download, extract and put it in your firefox plugin dir
19:47<euphorik>i've tried already
19:47<euphorik>let me give it a go again
19:47<euphorik>i've been putting it everywhere mozilla & firefox have plugin dirs
19:48<craigevil>thats all my ideas I run 32bit and i know nothing about 64bit
19:48<euphorik>i put it in the same dir as the libnullplugin.so is but it didn't recognize it
19:48<euphorik>the one loaded in ff
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19:53<Dorn>hi, is there any method other than email to report bugs?
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19:56<bremner>Dorn: use reportbug
19:57<Dorn>but that uses email, too :)
19:57<bremner>and? you have no email?
19:58<Dorn>that doesn't work right now
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19:58<bremner>you can use report bug to generate a file, then paste it into your webmail-du-jour
19:59<bremner>there is no web interface, and we like it that way :)
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20:00<Dorn>really? well, that might work, thx
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20:13<epsas>what is the reason for avahi-daemon?
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20:13<epsas>it consistently kills my network connecting by bringing eth0 up
20:13<epsas>for no real reason
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20:17<vvas>epsas: is it avahi-daemon itself that does it, or avahi-autoipd?
20:17<epsas>avahi-autoipd - yeah
20:18<epsas>i think it is safe to get rid of it
20:18<vvas>it is, yeah
20:18<vvas>its only benefit is on ad-hoc networks that lack a dhcp server
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20:20<abrotman>!tell DragonM about away
20:21<epsas>vvas - which... i rarely ever encounter
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20:22<mason_>hello how to update debian?
20:23<abrotman>man aptitude
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20:41<grummund>hi, what's a neat way to probe an IP to see if port 80 is open?
20:41<grummund>something to run from script
20:42<vvas>nmap comes to mind
20:42<grummund>nmap and tcptraceroute are possibilities... /me wonders what else
20:42<bremner>httping
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20:43<grummund>oh that sounds just the ticket
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20:47<K0BO-LT>in other distros, one could start and stop services with a terminal command called "service" - service status sshd what's the equivalent in debian?
20:48<Tekno>as root, /etc/init.d/xxxxx start
20:48<K0BO-LT>Aaa I remember that thnaks
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20:52<Supaplex>!invoke-rc.d
20:52<Supaplex>!test
20:52<dpkg>epic test fail
20:53<Supaplex>sweet. i give up then.
20:53<loudergood>!dpkg -i calculus
20:53*dpkg installs calculus into loudergood's head with a bone saw and a few screws
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20:53*K0BO-LT readman invoke-rc.d
20:54<K0BO-LT>opps sorry
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21:03<marcel>hi an alle von maec
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21:04<abrotman>!de
21:04<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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21:22<dark1weee>hey there. I'm having a little bit of a problem. Most of my family uses yahoo! messenger and it seems that I cannot connect using pidgin. are there issues with this and is there a fix, or another program that i can use?
21:22<AlexMax>Okay, I have a really really stupid question about debian's hostname
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21:23<AlexMax>I have a domain...let's say mydomain.net
21:23<AlexMax>A domain that I bought
21:23<AlexMax>How does that relate to my LINUX hostname for my server
21:23<AlexMax>Like, is my linux hostname supposed to be mydomain.net
21:23<AlexMax>or am I supposed to name it
21:23<AlexMax>like server1.mydomain.net
21:23<Elton02578>like server1.mydomain.net
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21:24<AlexMax>Elton02578: And server1. can be arbitrary?
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21:25<abrotman>dark1weee: did you check the docs for it? i don't use yahoo, but pidgin does work for the other four accounts i use it with
21:25*abrotman could try to setup the yahoo one he thinks
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21:26<dark1weee>so far i am still having no luck.. haven
21:27<abrotman>dark1weee: which version of debian ?
21:27<dark1weee>havent been able to find anything about it except that yahoo is putting up barrierrs for 3 party apps
21:27<abrotman>judd: versions pidgin
21:27<judd>abrotman: pidgin -- lenny-volatile: 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny1 etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny2~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny2 squeeze: 2.5.6-1 lenny-backports: 2.5.8-1~bpo50+1 sid: 2.5.8-1+b1
21:27<dark1weee>lenny, currnet
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21:27<AlexMax>Thanks
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21:29<abrotman>dark1weee: are you sure the service isn't down currently ?
21:29<dark1weee>a buddy of mine on windows is using it right now
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21:31<dark1weee>before i upgraded to debian full on this asus eeepc, it worked
21:31<abrotman>http://theflamingbanker.blogspot.com/2009/06/some-clarification-on-yahoo-issues.html
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21:33<dark1weee>synaptic doesn't have the new version. what repository do i need to get it?
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21:34<dark1weee>it only has 2.4.3-4lenny2
21:35<K0BO-LT>something weally wong after I install netbeans, either with apt-get or from sun, it locks up lenny on the next reboot
21:36<bremner>K0BO-LT: it will help if you remember where you installed things from. Maybe you ran out of disk space?
21:36<loudergood>!tell dark1weee about backports
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21:37<K0BO-LT>I did the full DVD download so all was from DVD
21:37<dark1weee>thank you loudergood, i'm looking it up now...
21:37<K0BO-LT>doing a power cyle of the puter
21:37<wilberfan>i just discovered somthing VERY odd: booting into debian kills the sound in windows xp & 7 the next time I boot into them!
21:37<loudergood>that is weird K0BO-LT
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21:38<loudergood>wilberfan: I had that issue once...thinkpad?
21:38<K0BO-LT>it's the second time I've reloaded from scratch
21:38<wilberfan>loudergood, no, it's an AMD64x2
21:38<wilberfan>desktop
21:38<K0BO-LT>Cool! Powecycle fixed the prob
21:38<wilberfan>but all 32bit OS's
21:38<loudergood>that's weird
21:38*K0BO-LT looks in the directin of the jvm
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21:39<K0BO-LT>I hate netbeans but since jdee has died for emacs, arg
21:39<K0BO-LT>loudergood, I'll let you know if I find anything more weird after running the jvm again
21:39<loudergood>I like netbeans...at least compared to eclipse...and it's alot faster than it was when I first tried it
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21:54<alexcabrera>Hi, I'm trying to set up debian as a Django server and am running into a weird problem trying to install mercurial. I keep getting a pysupport error. Has anyone come across anything similar?
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22:00<loudergood>'fraid not
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22:12<bremner>alexcabrera: in lenny? that is pretty surprising. Maybe if you pastebin your error message someone will have an idea.
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22:16<dark1weee>thank you abrotman and loudergood, all is working now...
22:16<dark1weee>have a good one
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22:19<alexcabrera>bremner: http://pastebin.com/m28f0bc1I downloaded the python-support tarball and am trying to figure out how to install it
22:20<bremner>alexcabrera: why would you need to install it from source? Are you not using mercurial from the debian repos?
22:20*bremner puzzled
22:22<alexcabrera>bremner: that's the error I get when trying to install over apt-get; I'm trying to install python-support from the tarball. Apt-get can't seem to find it
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22:25<bremner>alexcabrera: something is weird. I think if mercurial was uninstallable in lenny, someone would have reported it by now. Have you customized your sources.list?
22:26<alexcabrera>bremner: nope. The install is relatively new, and I really wouldn't be too sad about wiping it; but I'm not quite sure how to do that over SSH and my ISP charges me a reimaging fee
22:27<jsubl2>running squeeze kde. sound volume is low any ideas how to fi
22:27<jsubl2>running squeeze kde. sound volume is low any ideas how to fix
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22:28<bremner>alexcabrera: lenny should have version 0.8.4 of python support. What do you get if you type "apt-cache policy python-support" in a terminal?
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22:29<alexcabrera>It says it's installed
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22:30<alexcabrera>bremner: http://pastebin.com/m5e4d51cb 0.8.4 installed
22:31<bremner>and what is the output of aptitude install mercurial (the other paste didn't work for me)
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22:34<alexcabrera>bremner: I'm not sure if that just worked - http://dpaste.org/fiG7/
22:36<alexcabrera>no, no it didn't
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22:41<bremner>alexcabrera: I'm off to sleep. Something made python point to python2.4 by default, it seems to be causing problems.
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22:41<alexcabrera>bremner: I'll look into it, thanks
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