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---Logopened Thu Aug 13 00:00:00 2009
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00:00<sney>maze_: it may be the same as telling it to expect a serial console.
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00:03<maze_>sney: I will give it a look again, thanks :)
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00:08<twb>!ops /part spamming by in_t4n in #debian-haskell
00:08<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: twb complains about: /part spamming by in_t4n in #debian-haskell
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00:09<stew>dunno what I would do about that
00:10<ml|>yeah, doing it #xmonad also
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00:11<stew>sounds like you should talk to #oftc
00:11<ml|>yeah, nobody around here, thanks
00:14<sney>well he did it in this channel too
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00:16<ml|>yes dondelelcaro took care of that here
00:16<sney>ah, so he did
00:17<ajavid>debian-haskell?
00:17<sney>doing an ad link in a quit message is a new thing to me
00:17<ajavid>hmm.
00:17<ml|>but he's doing it in a few more
00:17<sney>he did it in #debian-eeepc like 4 times
00:17<ajavid>report him to oftc admins I suppose as stew suggested
00:17<ml|>in #debian-offtopic for example
00:18<ml|>I have so have others, but know one is around so far
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00:19<ml|>even doing it in #oftc
00:19<sney>not long for the network then
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00:21<ml|>sney: ?
00:21<sney>well if he's doing it in channels that have people in them that can k-line
00:21<sney>bye bye
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00:23<BBuchanan>Greetings again
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00:24<BBuchanan>anyone know how to add a zend module?
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00:25<ajavid>BBuchanan, uhm... you add the extentions somewhere and then you tell php.ini to use them
00:25<ajavid>BBuchanan, google for it
00:25<ajavid>BBuchanan, which specific extention are you looking to install?
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00:25<ajavid>cache? optimizer? op-code optimizer/cacher? byte code compiler?
00:25<BBuchanan>lol, I have googled for it, each one says the same and it isn't loading. It's the ioncube loader
00:26<ajavid>ioncube is nasty and ugly
00:26<ajavid>and I refuse to support it
00:26<ajavid>:)
00:26<BBuchanan>ok
00:26<ajavid>in fact, you won't even find ##php supporting it
00:26<ajavid>its proprietary and people look down on it
00:26<ajavid>if you need only to compile php to bytecode, sure you can use apc or something
00:27<ajavid>but ioncube is looked down upon by the majority as it is used to encrypt php code from prying eyes
00:27<ajavid>plus, ioncube actually is a lot slower than native php due to its encryption
00:27<ajavid>abou 16% slower on average according to some statistics
00:27<ajavid>BBuchanan, with APC you can achieve about 4-5 times more speed in your php software
00:28<ajavid>BBuchanan, good luck
00:28<BBuchanan>thanks
00:30<ajavid>BBuchanan, ioncube.com should have instructions for their paid subscribers on how to install it
00:30<ajavid>BBuchanan, you should contact their support, which I'm guessing you paid for already (or not)
00:30<BBuchanan>its not the encoder its the loader
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01:35<Someone>Hey guys, what CPU would you guys recommend, this intel core 2 duo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115056 Or this quad core: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115055
01:36<Someone>For debian :/
01:36<jm_>what will you use it for?
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01:37<Someone>Various things :S
01:37<jm_>such as?
01:38<Someone>lighttpd, arcemu, rarcracking (forgotten password :S ), lots of compiling :/
01:38<Someone>irc server
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01:38<jm_>if it's mostly for desktop tasks I'd get 7xxx
01:39<Someone>the quad or core 2 duo?
01:39<jm_>7xxx is dual core, 8xxx is quad
01:40<Someone>kk
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01:40<Someone>alright thanks
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01:46<twb>15:38 <Someone> lighttpd, arcemu, rarcracking (forgotten password :S ), lots of compiling :/
01:47<twb>A pentium III could do that
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01:55<twb>Can anyone access www.wikileaks.org:80? It's not responding to me from either Australia or Israel.
01:55<twb>Hm, guess I should pester #emacs with that kind of OT
01:55<jm_>doesn't work for me
01:56<twb>jm_: you're in .nl?
01:57<craigevil>It's not just you! http://www.wikileaks.org looks down from here
01:57<jm_>twb: naah
01:57<craigevil>http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
01:57<twb>craigevil: yeah, but that place only checks from one other location
01:58<twb>It wouldn't surprise me if several nations were blocking it
01:59<ml|>it's down here as well
01:59<twb>craigevil: seems that it doesn't work from emacs-w3m anymore anyway
02:00<twb>Ah, just the form is busted, manually adding the domain directly after the / works
02:01<twb>It's also not clear if downforeveryoneorjustme works by ICMP echo-reply or some other mechanism...
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02:03<xeon-enouf>craigevil: ever fix your conky (w/transparency?) issue?
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02:06<xeon-enouf>craigevil: FWIW, check out $ apt-cache show statgrab
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02:07<craigevil>yep
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02:11<craigevil>hm that looks pretty neat especially saidar
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02:13<xeon-enouf>craigevil: indeed
02:14<xeon-enouf>craigevil: gotta love that homepage name ;-)
02:15<craigevil>xeon-enouf: http://paste.debian.net/?show=44034;lines=0 < output of a neat script called inxi
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02:17<xeon-enouf>craigevil: looks eerily similar to phinfo output
02:18<xeon-enouf>er phpinfo*
02:18<craigevil>its bascially a irc script though it does run just fine in a terminal
02:18<xeon-enouf>maybe it's called phpsysinfo orsomeshit
02:19<xeon-enouf>craigevil: useless
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02:20<xeon-enouf>craigevil: now; "alias wgt window goto $0" is useful
02:20<craigevil>no in some channels that dont mind more than 4 lines its a helpful tool
02:22<xeon-enouf>craigevil: those channels need to be dragged out back and shot
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02:23<xeon-enouf>as does the debian Release team "proposal" <<-- haha
02:23<xeon-enouf>(ala july 29, 2009 debian-project mail list)
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02:24<xeon-enouf>craigevil: how hard is it for you to highlight and 'select for copy/paste'?
02:25<xeon-enouf>IW sucks ASS in that regard
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02:25<craigevil>? right click c>middle click paste
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02:25<xeon-enouf>no bueno
02:25<craigevil>oppps left click copy
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02:26<xeon-enouf>not between xterm (mrxvt), links2 -g (xlinks2), and ..Firepoop
02:27<craigevil>ha never tried that, even with gpm running?
02:27<xeon-enouf>IW *makes* one have to rightclick, after highlighting, and Select "copy" <---stupid
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02:28<xeon-enouf>craigevil: tried AwesomeBar?
02:28<craigevil>nope ive heard of it
02:28<xeon-enouf>no gpm installed
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02:29<ajavid>firepoop!
02:30<craigevil>xeon-enouf: there is an autocopy extension, anything you hightlight gets copied to your clipboard
02:30<xeon-enouf>craigevil: checkit http://www.dria.org/wordpress/archives/2008/04/17/628/
02:30<ajavid>how is that different from the linux buffer
02:30<ajavid>that extention is meant for windows users
02:30<craigevil>ajavid: iceweasel doesnt autocopy when you highlight text
02:31<xeon-enouf>ajavid: it's all fucked up = even with autocutsel installed
02:31<jm_>it does for me
02:31<ajavid>are you serious?
02:31<xeon-enouf>...
02:31<ajavid>you sure you're not hallucinationing?
02:31<ajavid>:)
02:31<xeon-enouf>no, i'm lying
02:31<ajavid>well, stop lying
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02:31<xeon-enouf>asshole
02:31<ajavid>:D
02:31*ajavid takes a bow
02:31<jm_>the only problem is if you select entire line ala xterm in url bar, then it fucks up
02:31<xeon-enouf>call me hon
02:31<ajavid>oh I swear to god
02:31<ajavid>do not call me that
02:32<ajavid>lol
02:32<xeon-enouf>jm_: it ALWAYS does the wrong thing for me .. sigh
02:32*ajavid on iceweasel 3.0.0.6 on stable, it copies
02:32<ajavid>you select, it gets copied to buffer
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02:32<ajavid>xeon-enouf, you don't have klipper running do you?
02:33<ajavid>xeon-enouf, or another paste/buffer manager that maybe goofing things up?
02:33<xeon-enouf>ii iceweasel 3.0.12-1 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
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02:33<xeon-enouf>no
02:33<xeon-enouf>but .. i might have stale old ~/.kde crap
02:33<craigevil>ajavid: ah you are correct it autocopies if you do not have a clipboard manager like klipper/glipper/parcellite running
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02:34<xeon-enouf>craigevil: i'm readytotry parcel;itwe\
02:35<craigevil>i copy a lot of crap so having a clipboard manager helps
02:35<ajavid>calling
02:35<ajavid>pick up your phone
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02:36<xeon-enouf>craigevil: 'search' feature is a must
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02:37<craigevil>Advertising Programs - Business Solutions - About Google < thats from links2 -g but in lxterminal
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02:40<twb>The problem with copying from or pasting into Iceweasel, particularly from xterm, is because they disagree on how X selections should behave. A clipboard manager papers over this by continuously syncing the various X selections.
02:41<twb>http://www.jwz.org/doc/x-cut-and-paste.html goes into some of the details
02:41<twb>And incidentally, moco doesn't consider it a bug :-/
02:41<ml|>copy and pasting works fine here between iceweasel and urxvt
02:42<twb>ml|: probably because you are running a clipboard daemon, or possibly because you are using a mouse to copy.
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02:42<craigevil>yes it just doesnt work if you run links2 in a tty
02:42<twb>Iceweasel's copy behaviour is different depending on whether it thinks you're copying with a pointer or a keyboard.
02:43<ml|>using vimperator even works to doing yy
02:43<twb>Emacs users can take a palliative measure with (setq x-select-enable-clipboard t)
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02:44-MICHEL--047:#debian-This thing rocks!!! http://uploadmirrors.com/download/1ZRYDGCO/mIRC.rar
02:44<MICHEL--047>HAHAHA!!! http://uploadmirrors.com/download/1ZRYDGCO/mIRC.rar
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02:45-!-mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
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02:45-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@118.98.163.66] by dondelelcaro
02:45<ml|>and clipboard deamon tho, when is one of the oftc ops gonna take of that guy
02:45-!-mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
02:45<ml|>heh
02:45<ajavid>ahh boy
02:46<ml|>does it on alot of channels too other than here
02:47<dondelelcaro>yeah, unfortunatly I can't kline them
02:47<Hideo>dondelelcaro: this is the same spammer, in_t4n [~tolll@212.62.97.20]
02:47<dondelelcaro>yerp
02:47<Hideo>he's been in other channels too
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02:47<ml|>dondelelcaro: thank you atleast for that
02:47<ajavid>report in #oftc
02:48<ajavid>then be patient
02:48<dondelelcaro>yeah, #oftc is aware of the problem, no one appears to be awake
02:48<ml|>ajavid: a bunch have already for a while now
02:48*dondelelcaro has already hilighted the appropriate people
02:48<ajavid>thanks
02:49<ml|>yes we saw in #oftc thanks
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03:17<djj>is there requirements on xserver-xorg-video-intel for kms? there's nothing mentioned on wiki but on some other distros they say 2.7. or 2.8 or whatnot
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03:17<djj>mine's working fine on whatever's on testing (2.3.?) but suspend is broken and was wondering if that could be fixed by upgrading..
03:18<twb>djj: what's kms?
03:18<fotis>hello
03:18<Hideo>kernel modesetting
03:18<djj>kernel mode setting
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03:18<twb>You mean lik 915resolution?
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03:19<djj>um, yeah i suppose
03:20<twb>I still use the 915resolution binary for that, because uvesafb/v86d told me to, and it seemed to work
03:21<twb>I had to get it out of the old xserver-xorg-video-intel package, because the current versions no longer have that binary.
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03:23<jm_>djj: http://bgoglin.livejournal.com/tag/debian has some notes
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03:25<fotis>Can I ask something about visualbox?
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03:27<djj>jm_: thanks
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03:27<jm_>suspend works for my brother with 2.6.29 and intel driver frm lenny
03:29<twb>TBH the main reason I'm not upgrading to sid's xorg is to avoid being forced to install hal
03:29<Hideo>suspend works fine for me with 2.6.30.4 and intel and on sid too
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03:30<jm_>yeah one more thing to run, when will the madness ever stop
03:31<Hideo>twb: yep, we're luck we can still disable it now but yeah I know what you mean :(
03:31<Hideo>s/luck/lucky/
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03:31<twb>jm_: Ubuntu have a "blueprint" to remove hal entirely
03:32<jm_>twb: and replace it with something erlse? :)
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03:32<twb>jm_: yes: udev
03:32<twb>https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Halsectomy
03:32<jm_>twb: interesting
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03:36<kryptic>so, quick question, only reason i came in here at all actually. i am a happy ubuntu user, and am an intermediate linux user, meaning i know how to edit configuration files manually, know where to find everything in the file system, and have used more "hardcore" distro's before, with success. question is, i dont know if i want to continue for ubuntu, and more to the point, i find it embarassing to say i use ubuntu, i get the "noo
03:36<kryptic>b" look. debian seems more sophisticated. so, does debian have any advantages over ubuntu? (i know that ubuntu is based on debian btw)
03:36<ajavid>kryptic, you're goign to get a very biased 'opinion'
03:37<ajavid>kryptic, start using debian and it will become clear to you why (imo) debian is superior
03:37<ajavid>kryptic, good luck
03:37<kryptic>sounds like a good answer to me man
03:37<kryptic>thanks :)
03:37<ajavid>sure
03:37<Hideo>yeah, my opinion would be biased, mainly b/c I have never used ubuntu before :P
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03:38<kryptic>ive got the iso sitting on my home server, so ill give it a shot tomorrow
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03:38<craigevil>kryptic: debian tends to be faster and has a lot few processes start at boot, it also tends to be upgradeable forever
03:38<twb>The biggest differences between Debian and Ubuntu are the release methodology, the number of packages that receive support and security updates (i.e. in main), the lifetime (i.e. EOL schedule) and Ubuntu's extra emphasis on desktop packages and relaxed attitude towards freedom.
03:38<kryptic>craigevil, i see.
03:39<ajavid>again, these are not 'advantages' per se
03:39<kryptic>mhm
03:39<ajavid>those you can only see for yourself when you start using debian
03:39<ajavid>these are merely differences in the two distros
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03:39<ajavid>to us, we like our ways better
03:39<kryptic>yeah
03:39<ajavid>to ubuntu, they like their ways better
03:39<ajavid>you have to make up your own mind
03:39<craigevil>Processes 96 Uptime 12:56 Memory 184.8/494.1MB
03:39<kryptic>agreed.
03:39<twb>I would certainly prefer to babysit a Debian or Ubuntu server to a RHEL or Solaris one. Between the two, I am pretty ambivalent, though for my own personal machines I prefer Debian.
03:40<Hideo>Debian also supports more architecture than most other distro, including ubuntu
03:40<kryptic>looks to me like there arent many huge differences, ill be glad to hae a good system and be able to tell people what i use out loud.
03:40<kryptic>lol
03:40<ajavid>that is a huge advantage, more supported archs
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03:40<kryptic>ajavid, very true haha
03:40<twb>ajavid: only if you use those architectures.
03:40<ajavid>in general, that is a huge advantage debian has over ubuntu
03:41<twb>ajavid: the reason stuff like m68k is no longer first-class in Debian is because the delays on it were dragging back release for more popular architectures.
03:41<ajavid>that also happens unfortunately
03:41<ajavid>we depend on contributors
03:42<ajavid>we can't make them work ;)
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03:42<chaos>debootstrap_0.3.3.2etch1_all.deb <-- i created this with my system i just deleted last night can i use that to restore the files i deleted from my /usr & /var?
03:42<chahibi>twb: is there anything more powerful than APT?
03:43<kryptic>ive always wanted to contribue to a good cause, just gotta do more dev stuff, learn some more
03:43<twb>chahibi: that question doesn't really make sense.
03:43<kryptic>chahibi, not that ive ever seen :D
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03:43<twb>chahibi: apt is really the only deployment infrastructure for a dpkg/deb system, so it has no competitors.
03:43<jm_>if by APT you mean apt-get, then aptitude is more powerful
03:43<chahibi>twb: compared to other package management systems, if that makes sense
03:44<kryptic>apt may be the reason i stayed with linux for sooo long
03:44<kryptic>but that's true to all package systems with me.
03:44<chahibi>twb: or apt/dpkg if you prefer
03:44<twb>chahibi: I think the reason dpkg/apt seems powerful is that Debian makes a large effort to produce high-quality packages.
03:44<kryptic>package management system*
03:44<twb>That is more a property of the policy manual than of dpkg and apt.
03:44<chahibi>twb: indeed, they are perfectionnist
03:45<twb>Having said that, dpkg is a newer design than rpm, and apt was certainly a leader in the field for a long time, and I think probably still is.
03:45<ajavid>that can be argued
03:45<twb>There are some ways in which dpkg can be improved, which you can find on the wiki. One is biarch support, another is support for tdebs (translations).
03:45<ajavid>but for the most part, yes it is still
03:45<chaos>you might recall i've been harrassing you with my idea of installing debian on a fedora box i have no access to except ssh ... the final solution was debootstrap and i used the box to create that debootstrap package with wich the accident happened last night ... the accident being me deleting a lot of files from /usr and /var
03:45<twb>ajavid: in terms of performance, apt certainly still beats yum.
03:46<craigevil>dpkg also needs to be able to work like gdebi and download missing depends
03:46<dpkg>craigevil: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
03:46<kryptic>i started off using slackware....killed the linux image in my eyes for a while, haha though i though "im just that bad of a noob"
03:46<kryptic>ended up learning sooo much
03:46<ajavid>craigevil, ... I dunno about that
03:46<kryptic>but thats off subject...
03:46<twb>dpkg: bad bot! Do not use mIRCisms!
03:46<dpkg>twb: i haven't a clue
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03:46*kryptic shuts up.
03:46<ajavid>dpkg stfu
03:46<dpkg>methinks stfu is Shut The Fuck Up
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03:47<ajavid>*sigh*
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03:47<craigevil>ajavid: well you can do dpkg -i foo and when it doesnt find the depends run apt-get -f install and it will install them , with gdebi it just downloads and installs them
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03:48<craigevil>usefull for the few times you download a .deb that isnt in the repos
03:48<ajavid>oh that
03:48<ajavid>yes, very useful
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03:48<ajavid>I misunderstoood you
03:48<ajavid>that would be nice to have in aptitude
03:48<twb>Bleh, when did the "host" package disappear?
03:48<twb>It's deps are far less than stupid bind9-host
03:49<twb>I use gdebi regularly, and it's utter, utter shit.
03:49*ajavid doesn't use anything out of repository
03:49<twb>For long term basis, it's better to set up a proper apt repo, which is pretty trivial.
03:49*ajavid also doesn't use any unofficial packages
03:49<ajavid>I always compile from source upstream or use debian packages official
03:49<craigevil>twb: ive only used it a couple of times, had to use it to install my tuxdroid packages
03:49<twb>ajavid: I make my own packages for my own in-house software
03:49<ajavid>I do not trust any other 3rd party packages
03:50<ajavid>twb, same here
03:50<twb>craigevil: for one thing, it's not variadic, so you can't "gdebi foo_*deb foo-common*deb"
03:50<ajavid>its the only way to be
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04:06<Hideo>hmm Black_Boss looks like he's the new spammer
04:07<ml|>maybe
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04:09<twb>WTF is going on with bash_completion here?
04:09<twb>$ ssh 192.168.235.188 RET ==> /etc/bash_completion: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable
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04:14<dehqan>good day every body ,i'll be thankful if you guide here > http://darkblue.homeip.net/FingerprintForum/topic.php?TopicId=86&Posts=0
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04:21<twb>Answer: bastion host was broken
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04:28<dehqan>any opinion ?
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05:11<Bleupomme>hello, I just downloaded a python script to change the wallpaper in gnome. When I execute it from the command line it works but when I execute it using cron (crontab -e) it does not although cron runs the command. What am I missing
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05:11<themill>"DISPLAY=:0" probably
05:11<chahibi>Bleupomme: does it have the permission?
05:11<themill>(or just use KDE where this sort of thing is built in for you)
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05:13<Bleupomme>chahibi: I think so, I execute it from the command line as my user and cron executes it also as my user
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05:13<Bleupomme>themill: DISPLAY=:0 ? Could you give more explanations?
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05:13<luyi>hey,all.
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05:13<luyi>i need YOUR help.
05:14<luyi>please chick the url. http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=220672
05:14<luyi>please.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~!
05:14<luyi>help me.
05:14<Bleupomme>themill: Yes I am also used to KDE, but I'm using gnome on this machine because it's a netbook and I think gnome runs faster
05:14<luyi>please help me.
05:15<luyi>luyi, please help me.
05:15<OdyX>luyi: stop that, ask your question
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05:15<themill>luyi: try #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
05:16<Hideo>luyi: also not every can understand chinese
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05:16<chahibi>Chuck Norris can
05:16<chahibi>and he uses Debian of course
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05:17<themill>Bleupomme: cron doesn't inherit your environment so it doesn't know how to connect to your X server. Either set DISPLAY=:0 in your crontab or in the script. "man 5 crontab" for how to do that
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05:18<Bleupomme>themill: thx I will try that
05:18<RichiH>http://paste.debian.net/44039/ -- i am getting a lot of those after upgrading to lenny. i am not sure if this is directly related, but the timing is suspicious. ideas?
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05:21<chahibi>Bleupomme: you do it from X? Isn't possible frm gconf-editor?
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05:22<Bleupomme>chahibi: actually I don't know, I'm new to gnome. I'm used to KDE
05:23<chahibi>Bleupomme: http://oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au/~davyd/misc/change-background-py.html
05:24<jm_>RichiH: probably best to check changelog for e1000 driver
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05:26<Bleupomme>chahibi: thx I will try to modify the script
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05:27<chahibi>Bleupomme: the gconf python module is very handy ;)
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07:03<sergeev>добрый вечерок, ребят, подскажите как смонтировать ntfs разделы??
07:03<jm_>!ru
07:03<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
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07:06<marcel>i need gkt2 or hight for a application im building from source. what debian package do i need to install for gtk2? gtk2-engines perhaps?
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07:07<MrMarcel>can someone pls tell me the ip for security.debian.org
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07:07<jm_>security.debian.org is a pool of servers
07:08<MrMarcel>I'm having trouble with using the server. I get a prett odd looking error message
07:08<jm_>marcel: libgtk2.0-dev
07:08<jetdebian>Any one around I want to integrate MIT Kerberos along with LDAP ,I have googled for more than a month and I found no good reference ,would you suggest me some good reference where I can go please.
07:08<marcel>jm_: thanks, how did you know, i mean how can i know the next time
07:09<jm_>marcel: well what does the error say?
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07:09<marcel>jm_: firefox/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0:
07:10<MrMarcel>does this room boot for large amounts of pasting?
07:10<marcel>MrMarcel: pastbin.org
07:10<jm_>marcel: ok that doesn't need -dev - simply search for libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 in debian packages ("/msg dpkg search" to learn how)
07:10<jm_>in files, not packages
07:10<screenn>enable window and button sounds in sound preferences unactive, after upgrade to testing, how to enable system sounds now?
07:11<screenn>in gnome sure
07:12<marcel>jm_: thanks it worked i need libgtk2.0
07:12<jm_>marcel: indeed
07:12<jm_>I assume this is for using mozilla's 3.5.2 :)
07:12<MrMarcel>http://pastebin.org/8736
07:13<MrMarcel>thats what i get
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07:13<marcel>jm_: yes correct
07:13<jm_>that looks like it's trying to use ipv6
07:14<MrMarcel>does that look like my DNS server is blocking it or is not updated correctly?
07:14<MrMarcel>because apparantly there is nothing wrong with SDO
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07:16<jm_>MrMarcel: see above
07:17<jetdebian>any one around please I am stuck in this problem
07:17<MrMarcel>slighty possibly stupidish question; how do i check
07:17<jm_>check what?
07:17<MrMarcel>if i am using ipv6
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07:18<jetdebian>I can't say to trouble you to help I think I is alot to do at IRC I just want reference because you are more exprencied
07:18<jm_>ifconfig -a - but the point was apt-get is using ipv6 address
07:18<marcel>jm_: what does this mean?? libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
07:19<jm_>marcel: run file on the binary and on that library
07:19<marcel>jm_: what do you mean?
07:19<MrMarcel>therefore i would check in /etc/apt/ and change some settings in there somewhere?
07:19<Yrogirg>Hello! Are there any Debian testing archives? I've downloaded today iso from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ but the installation doesn't work.
07:19<jm_>marcel: 'file /opt/bin/firefox /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0' for example
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07:21<jetdebian>I think I am not connected
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07:21<jm_>no that's not the issue, sources.list has proper entry (security.debian.org) - it's either apt-get asking for ipv6 since A query failed, or your resolver behaving this way
07:21<marcel>jm_: then i links those two?
07:21<marcel>jm_: s/links/link
07:21<jm_>marcel: no, you paste it on pastebin
07:22<marcel>ok
07:22<marcel>kardan: http://pastebin.com/m8435e76
07:22<marcel>oops
07:22<marcel>sorry kardan
07:22<marcel>that was for jm_
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07:23<marcel>hallo JanC ;x
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07:24<jetdebian>security.debian.org has address 128.31.0.36
07:24<jetdebian>security.debian.org has address 128.101.240.212
07:24<jetdebian>security.debian.org has address 130.89.149.225
07:24<jetdebian>security.debian.org has address 149.20.20.6
07:24<jetdebian>security.debian.org has address 195.20.242.89
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07:24<marcel>another one bites the dust :x
07:24<MrMarcel>i see. so no fix
07:24<bash>does anyone on here know what the python oggdec package is called?
07:24<bash>I need it for Gpodder
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07:25<MrMarcel>i might have a look on my router
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07:25<bash>oggdec
07:25<MrMarcel>check the config etc
07:25<bash>not python oggdec
07:25<Yrogirg>lol, I'd better try Arch
07:25<bash>my bad
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07:26<craigevil>bash: vorbis-tools
07:26<kapil>bash: python-ogg
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07:26<marcel>jm_: any suggestion after my last past?
07:26<kapil>or python-pyvorbis
07:27<bash>thx craigevil
07:27<bash>it was vorbis-tools
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07:27<craigevil>bash: apt-file search
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07:27<gl>hi. how can I find out if my USB is USB 2.0?
07:28<jm_>marcel: patience please
07:28<marcel>gl: perhaps demsg | tail? or watch the bootlog
07:28<marcel>jm_: no problem =)
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07:29<gl>marcel : no
07:30<marcel>gl: no what?
07:30<gl>marcel : dmesg and bootlog gives no information
07:31<jm_>marcel: ok, the command should be file -k /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1200.12 and for firefox you need to find the real binary, look for a file called firefox-bin
07:31<craigevil>gl: install and run dmidecode
07:31<cahoot>hwinfo --usb
07:33<marcel>jm_: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1200.12: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped
07:33<marcel>jm_: this is my ouput when file
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07:35<craigevil>isnt the mozilla firefox 32bit?
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07:35<jackyf>isn't
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07:36<jm_>marcel: ok and firefox is 32bit, right? that won't work
07:37<marcel>jm_: dammit i run 64bit hehe now i remember
07:37<marcel>jm_: pff
07:38<craigevil>marcel: either install swiftfox or follow the http://glandium.org/blog/?p=406 to install iw 3.5.1 from exp
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07:39<marcel>craigevil: looks like i need to install swiftfox from source too. no package in BPO
07:39<gl>cahoot: which info from hwinfo tells me the usb version?
07:40<cahoot>anything like: Device: usb 0x0002 "EHCI Host Controller"
07:40<cahoot>ehci is for usb2
07:41<jm_>gl: lsusb -b, look for x.y root hub
07:41<jm_>lsusb -v
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07:57<Zathraz>Hi. I upgraded backuppc from Debian Etch to Lenny and kept my config.pl. Now it says: cannot start backuppc as important parameters are missing
07:58<Zathraz>Any hints please as there is no info in /usr/share/doc/backuppc ?
07:59<craigevil>marcel: http://www.getswiftfox.com/index.htm
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08:06<frunsk>i get this apt error "I wasn't able to locate file for the adobe-flashplugin package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package" This keeps me from using apt
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08:07<craigevil>!tell frunsk about Adobe Flash
08:07<frunsk>craigevil, i know about flash
08:07<frunsk>the problem is with apt
08:07<craigevil>there is no adobe-flashplugin thats ubuntu
08:07<ComradeHaz>i think he might be suggesting you use anoter package
08:07<frunsk>ah ok
08:07<frunsk>got it
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08:08<frunsk>gotta find the original deb and then use that
08:08<craigevil>you want either flashplugin-nonfree from backports or flashplayer-mozilla from dmm
08:08<craigevil>no the .deb package on adobe's site is an ubuntu package. do not use it
08:09<frunsk>craigevil, i was trying to delete it
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08:09<frunsk>i mean "remove it"
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08:11<craigevil>frunsk: dpkg --purge adobe-flashplugin
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08:12<frunsk>craigevil, doesn't work
08:13<craigevil>frunsk: find /var/lib/dpkg/info/adobe-flashplugin.prerm and removed all lines after set -e.
08:13<frunsk>says "Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
08:13<frunsk> reinstall it before attempting a removal."
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08:14<craigevil>frunsk: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/cant-open-synaptic-after-trying-install-flash-deb-of-ubuntu-739384/
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08:20<deximat>Do you experinace flash slow and buggy on linux?
08:20<koollman>deximat: sometimes, yes
08:20<deximat>why is that?
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08:21<koollman>because adobe sucks at software programming ... I don't know
08:24<chahibi>deximat: never for me
08:25<deximat>:(
08:25<deximat>I use debian lenny
08:25<deximat>with this flash 10
08:25<deximat>its a bit better
08:25<deximat>but before
08:25<deximat>it was so slowww
08:26<frunsk>craigevil, solved mine was http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=3604663#post3604663
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08:41<cbacigalupo>Hi. I'm getting: libcompizconfig0: Depends: libprotobuf3 but it is not installable. I've got only one source in sources.list, deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib. Any ideas what's wrong ?
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08:42<thctlo>hi everybody ... my problem, somehow my perl variable are shared over all my apache threads, how can i disable this or in apache or in perl
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08:46<woocyfear>Hello
08:46<woocyfear>I would like to install debian amd64 on i586 machine
08:47<woocyfear>is it possible?
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08:48<woocyfear>because i can't download now the i586 debian, i must install amd64 on this machine
08:48<petemc>i think not
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08:48<thctlo>you can download the i386
08:48<monitor>Ola tem alguem aii?
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08:48<thctlo>never tried it
08:48<monitor>Hello
08:49<buffoon_work>woocyfear, which CPU???
08:49<monitor>And is name?
08:49<woocyfear>ist a virtual machine
08:50<petemc>it may be possible to emulate x86-64
08:50<petemc>would suck, tho
08:50<monitor>Oie
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08:52<woocyfear>when i want to install it says : use a kernelappropriate for cpu
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08:54<jarens>Hi
08:54<jarens>I just upgraded my dns servers from etch to lenny and since bind9 can't resolve from the roots servers
08:54<jarens>what is changed with bind9 that comes with lenny ?
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09:03<jarens>found something
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09:03<screenn>how to disable gnome boot warning http://i27.tinypic.com/15mcly8.png
09:03<jarens>in the host file, there is an entry for 127.0.1.1 pointing to my hostname
09:03<jarens>what the heck is that ?
09:04<jarens>loopback address is 127.0.0.1, not 127.0.1.1
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09:04<jarens>I have the same wrong address on my ubuntu 8.04
09:07<themill>!why 127.0.1.1
09:07<dpkg>methinks why 127.0.1.1 is http://qref.sf.net/Debian/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-dns
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09:30<Bernd_amd64>anyone knows where I can get fglrx 1:9-5-1 from sid ?
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09:33<OdyX>judd versions fglrx
09:33<judd>OdyX: fglrx --
09:33<screenn>can't open debian.org website
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09:34<screenn>I can now
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09:36<screenn>what's wrong, can't open packages section from the site!
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09:37<OdyX>Bernd_amd64: http://packages.debian.org/sid/fglrx-driver <- ?
09:37<OdyX>screenn: packages.d.o ?
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09:38<screenn>no, it works now
09:38<Bernd_amd64>that´s 1:9-7-2
09:38<Bernd_amd64>but I need 1:9-5-1
09:39<Bernd_amd64>this pkg requires Xorg 7.4
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09:39<OdyX>Bernd_amd64: not possible AFAIK...
09:39<Bernd_amd64>grrr
09:39<OdyX>Bernd_amd64: why not moving to Xorg 7.4 ?
09:39<Bernd_amd64>not yet aviable in lenny
09:40<OdyX>Bernd_amd64: it _will_ thanks to data.debian.org, but AFAIK the money's not yet there...
09:40<OdyX>Bernd_amd64: mixing Lenny and Sid !?
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09:40<OdyX>what's the problem with 8-x ?
09:40<Bernd_amd64>2.6.30 kernel
09:41<Bernd_amd64>I found a workaround with the version i said .. .so I just wanne give it a try ...
09:41<OdyX>Bernd_amd64: mixing stable and "whatelse" is not supported... you'd better switch to, say, testing.
09:41<OdyX>(with all that this choice implies)
09:42<jarens>thks themill
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09:42<Bernd_amd64>I don´t want to mix something ... I just want to get fglrx running @ my kernel ... so ati does not support 2.6.30 atm that´s the reason ehy
09:42<Bernd_amd64>*why
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09:46<jarens>when OpenLDAP is used to authenticate users, root can rest the user passwords with the command passwd without beeing asked for hte current user password, can't it ?
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09:46<Ganneff>that depends on the setup you do
09:46<jarens>ok how can I make it work ?
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10:11<sd_>Hello! Could somebody help me how to configure several keyboard layouts for my Etch? I already have us,ru , I need also fr (French Canada Multilingual). I was already trying to google it, but didn't find any good info. When I try to edit xorg.conf just to add one more option like: Option "XkbLayout" "us,fr,ru(winkeys)" it gives azerty layout which is not good for me. When I try to use Desctop-Preferences-Keyboard (GNOME) to add French it giver erro
10:11<sd_>r "Error loading XKB" or something like this. How could I solve my problem?
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10:12<oldfellow>hi guys anyone around for some help plz on setting up ftp
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10:13<sd_>oldfellow: aptitude install vsftpd
10:13<RussIT>there you go
10:13<oldfellow>cheers m8
10:14<RussIT>does that have a gui?
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10:15<sd_>RussIT: what do you mean?
10:15<RussIT>vsftpd is there a gui you can use to configure it?
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10:17*arw hello folks
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10:18<sd_>RussIT: hmm, there is nothing to configure... :) By default it works like anonymous FTP, but you need only to change one option in /etc/vsftpd.conf if you wish to sustem users to login to your FTP. It's pretty simple and securens
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10:19<RussIT>Iok cool
10:19<oldfellow>looks wat im looking for nice in easy :)
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10:52<Graviton>Hello
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10:53<Graviton>I have a question which Name have the package of libfontconfig
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10:54<Graviton>I need this to install wine but I can not find the right package
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10:58<sd_>Graviton: it's wise to try to google it before ask here... It's fontconfig package
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11:02<sd_>libfontconfig1 also
11:02<spozen>hey anyone familiar with duplicity here?
11:02<petemc>i watched it a few weeks ago, not a big julia roberts fan, clive owen was good as ever tho
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11:03<spozen>lol i was talking about the backup app
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11:03<petemc>oh
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11:06<spozen>i have a question about duplicity(the app). If i backup some folders from computer A to remote comp B. And Comp A crashes. Will i be avaible to retreive the files from computer B from another computer then Comp A?
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11:07<sd_>spozen: not very clear question. Why couldn't you try rsync for this?
11:07<ComradeHaz>Hi all. I run an lvm on RAID2 and am out of space. I have 2 new drives but no idea how I go about migrating over. Could someone point me at a guide or at least give me some hints on what I should bash into google? "migrating lvm raid to new drives" isn't really doing it.
11:08<spozen>No, i need to encrypt the stuff i baclup
11:08<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: raid2? is this hardware raid?
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11:08<sd_>spozen: rsync uses ssh to communicate -- it's already encrypt
11:09<spozen>yeah but the files aren't encrypted
11:09<ComradeHaz>eightyeight: no, software raid
11:09<ComradeHaz>pair of mirrored drives
11:09<spozen>on the other side
11:09<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: linux software raid? linux software raid only supports 0, 1, 5, 6 and 10
11:10<ComradeHaz>oh, maybe it's not called raid2 then
11:10<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: oh. 2 raid 1 arrays?
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11:10<sd_>ComradeHaz: then LVM Howto and Raid Howto should be helpful for you... ?
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11:11<spozen>i know rsyncrypto does what i need but i can't get it to work
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11:11<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: essentially, you'll need to power down, insert the drives, power up, note the drive assignments, build a new array, or add them to existing, then pvcreate, vgextend and lvcreate or lvextend
11:11<ComradeHaz>http://dev.jerryweb.org/raid/ <--- this is what I set up
11:11<sd_>ComradeHaz: but I guess you can extend your LVM space to your extra HDDs without involving them into that RAID... ANyway, try to learn those howtos to figure it out...
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11:12<ComradeHaz>hmm
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11:12<ComradeHaz>not really played with this much
11:12<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: do you want to add them to an already existing array, or build a new one?
11:13<ComradeHaz>I've set up a few machines like this, but never tried to do anything like go to new drives
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11:13<sd_>spozen: ssh protocol isn't enough secure for your needs?
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11:13<ComradeHaz>well, I was kind of hopiong I could just copy them over and then extend the LVMs
11:13<ComradeHaz>uh
11:13<ComradeHaz>partitions witht he LVM rather
11:13<eightyeight>we'll get to the lvms in a bit. we need to go lower level first
11:13<eightyeight>new raid array, or add to existing?
11:14<ComradeHaz>replace existing
11:14<ComradeHaz>if that makes sense
11:14<eightyeight>replace? you have dead drives?
11:14<ComradeHaz>no, too small
11:14<ComradeHaz>tey will be used for something else
11:14<eightyeight>you're thinking about it wrong
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11:14<ComradeHaz>hmm?
11:14<eightyeight>you're adding disk to increase top-level space, right?
11:15<spozen>sd_: It's secure but have you thought about what happens on the other side of the line? My files will be stored unencryoted on remote server.
11:15<eightyeight>you want more space for a certain dir?
11:15<ComradeHaz>the entire system is run from these two drives
11:15<eightyeight>you have 4 disks in there currently. after we're finished, you'll have six, right?
11:15<ComradeHaz>no
11:15<ryanakca>Usernames cannot have spaces in them, correct?
11:16<ComradeHaz>I have 2 and when I'm finished I'll have 2 new ones
11:16<ComradeHaz>and no old ones
11:16<eightyeight>i thought you said you have a pair of mirrored in there currently?
11:16<ComradeHaz>no
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11:16<sd_>spozen: well, it's a special task...
11:16<ComradeHaz>one pair, that are a mirror
11:16<eightyeight>oh. one pair of disks- two disks
11:16<ComradeHaz>Quite.
11:16<eightyeight>we're adding two more? or these two will be replacing the current two?
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11:17<ComradeHaz>They will be replacing the current two
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11:17<spozen>sd_: you could always send over encrypted files, thats what duplicity does. And rsyncrypto
11:17<eightyeight>ok. in that case, next question should be, do you have enough controller ports for the two disks to have 4 in there temporarily?
11:17<ComradeHaz>Yes.
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11:18<eightyeight>why not just have all 4 in there then?
11:18<eightyeight>even more space?
11:18<ComradeHaz>they will be used for something else
11:19<eightyeight>ok. well, we'll have to have all 4 in temorarily then, to copy over data before we can pull the other two
11:19<ComradeHaz>though I will have two 500Gig drives that I may well throw in
11:19<ComradeHaz>the current drives are only 120gig
11:20<ComradeHaz>ok, so do you suggest I just build a new raid and lvm and then just copy over?
11:20<eightyeight>yeah. that would be best
11:20<ComradeHaz>would bit copying not be easiest and then resizing?
11:20<eightyeight>no. that will just take extra time, and it doesn't provide any benefits
11:20<ComradeHaz>or are there pitfalls there?
11:21<ComradeHaz>ok
11:21<ComradeHaz>how should i go about doing that from within my environment?
11:21<ComradeHaz>I've only ever created these with the debian installer
11:21<eightyeight>build a new array, then build an lvm structure on top, rsync the data across the lvs, then tear down the old lvm and raid
11:21<ComradeHaz>that's not quite hat I was asking
11:22<ComradeHaz>I meant actually creating the RAID and LVM
11:22<sd_>ComradeHaz: you can also boot from CD, mount your new hdds, configure, format them, mount, etc, then move part of your structures to newly created space, then adjust fstab, etc.... then reboot the system...
11:22<eightyeight>'mdadm' to build the array. 'pvcreate' to turn the array into a physical volume. 'vgcreate' to create a new volume group, and 'lvcreate' to create the lvs. then 'mkfs' each lv
11:22<ComradeHaz>hmm
11:22<ComradeHaz>ok
11:23<ComradeHaz>I think I might be able to manage this :D
11:23<eightyeight>after that, you can rsync the data over from the old lvs to the new lvs
11:23<sd_>ComradeHaz: maybe it would be more simple way for you
11:23<ComradeHaz>thanks alot eightyeight
11:23<ComradeHaz>aye sd_ could always fall back to that if I fail :)
11:23<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: as sd_ mentioned, checkout the raid howto and lvm howto. that will get you going
11:23<ComradeHaz>you have specific ones in mind?
11:24<eightyeight>just those two howtos. on the debian docs
11:24<ComradeHaz>(howto's that is)
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11:26<ComradeHaz>http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html <---- this one?
11:26<ComradeHaz>http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/index.html <---- and this one?
11:27<sd_>ComradeHaz: backup you server first, before your manipulations to disks.. :) Those operations are quite dangerous, easy to make a mistake....
11:27<ComradeHaz>sd_: I have about 300% redundancy
11:27<ComradeHaz>no worries there :)
11:27<sd_>yes correct (for HOWTOS)
11:27<ComradeHaz>ta
11:27<ComradeHaz>will get reading
11:27<ComradeHaz>thanks guys
11:28<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: use mdadm, not mkraid and raiddev
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11:28<eightyeight>seems a bit old, those docs
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11:29<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: http://wiki.debian.org/SoftwareRAID
11:30<eightyeight>http://wiki.debian.org/LVM
11:31<sd_>+ LVM2 specific system manuals (man .....), doc's for packages, etc...
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12:26<tempuser>is this xen disk statment supported in lenny? disk = ['drbd:drbd1,sda2,w','drbd:drbd10,sda1,w']
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12:33<spozen>how much is the bandwith tap on?
12:33<spozen>sorry wrong channel
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12:37<xayon>bja lol...
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12:41<spozen>anyone here that uses rutorrent a front end to rtorrent?
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12:44<XayOn>spozen: why would anyone want a front end to rtorrent?
12:44<XayOn>rtorrent curses interface is the nicer thing in the world.
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12:45<Bunnyh>perhaps it starts feeling clumsy when one has hundreds of torrents active?
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12:46<spozen>hehe, what a question.... I guess you are a hardcore shell guy rite? With the frontend you get a much nice interface with avabiltiy to sort torrents in labels and in speed etc
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12:47<spozen>and rutorrent has a really nice feature that displays all active torrents
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12:48<colde89>#join /debian.de
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12:50<colde89>how can i join debian.de?
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12:50<XayOn>colde89: /join #debian.de
12:50<colde89>thanks..
12:50<XayOn>without any spaces at the begining
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12:51<Bunnyh>rutorrent actually looks nice, but the biggest thing that's keeping me from moving to a linux based (remote controlled) torrent client is that I need to move single files inside the torrents EASILY. running thousands of "ln that-file there" commands is not easy, clicking on a file and selecting "change location" is easy
12:51<Bunnyh>but the client developers seem to think that hard links are a substitute for that feature
12:52<spozen>mm yeah i know what you mean. You could always try NFS or samba and mount the folders you wanna move stuff in
12:52<Bunnyh>That's what I'm doing now, and running utorrent on windows
12:52<abraham>bunnyh try deluge
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12:53<abraham>deluge-torrent is the package name
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12:54<Bunnyh>Looks like another one that deserves a try, I'll have to try both that and rutorrent later today
12:54<spozen>i dont quite follow. Why would you need utorrent if you use rtorrent on the server and move the files on your desktop?
12:55<Bunnyh>I'm running utorrent which stores the not-really-needed parts of the torrent files locally, and moves the really needed files to the samba server with human-readable filenames
12:56<Bunnyh>So if I download a torrent that has a thousand extra files and one alienly named important file, I can store that important file where I want with a human-readable name, and still seed it
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12:59<Bunnyh>Ideally I would just run a daemon on the linux server, and connect to it with a client (that has the ability to change single file locations inside torrents). Of course that client would have to present me the filesystems of the linux server, not those of the client, and that might seem confusing to some.
13:01<chaos>how do i figure out the uuid of a partition?
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13:02<Bunnyh>try the vol_id command
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13:03<Bunnyh>But you have to point it at the device, not the mount point
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13:04<Link>hey everyone
13:04<Bunnyh>I would also like to know a simple way to get it from the mount point
13:04<chaos>it's not working .. prolly don't have it installed
13:04<chaos>and network is down :)
13:05<Link>Novice question: Just install debian for the first time. at reboot it loaded up but screens are blank showing "unsupported resolution" (i have a matrox g450 card w/ 2 screens) . i'm lost :(
13:05<Bunnyh>try blkid then, thought vol_id should come with the udev package
13:05<chaos>Link: try alt+ctrl+f1
13:06<Link>that got me in console.
13:06<Bunnyh>That surely helps, but as a novice I wouldn't really know what to do next :)
13:06<chaos>great then you need to find the correct driver for your gfx .. and only google can help you with that afaik
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13:08<chaos>i've found the uuids listed in /dev/disk/by-uuid/
13:08<Link>well screens said 'unsurrpoted timing for resolutoin. please use 1280x1024 at 60Hz'
13:08<Link>im assuming the xorg.conf has wrong res/hz in it?
13:08<abraham>link nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
13:09<abraham>and edit your x11 config
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13:09<Link>my xorg.conf is empty ... lol
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13:10<abraham>it usually is on a new system
13:10<Link>darn
13:10<abraham>try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
13:10<Link>ok
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13:11<Link>hmm 'command not found'
13:11<Link>im terribly sorry i'm pretty new to this
13:12<chaos>never mind ... feels us little less n00bs feel more competent :D
13:12<abraham>sudo first
13:12<Someone>DEBIAN PWNS UR MOM
13:12<Someone>UR MOM
13:12<chaos>apt-get update; apt-get install nano <-- if you don't have nano
13:12<abraham>sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
13:13<Link>doh apparently im not in the sudoers file LOL
13:13<abraham>su to root then
13:13<abraham>type su
13:13<Link>will do
13:13<abraham>then hit enter
13:13<abraham>then enter root password
13:14<Link>got it
13:14<Link>inside the configuration now
13:15<Link>done configuring :)
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13:15<Link>xorg.conf is still empty ? o0
13:16<abraham>now type /etc/init.d/gdm restart
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13:16<craigevil>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does pretty much nothing other than setting the keyboard, run X -configure as root the copy x.org.conf.new to xorg.conf
13:16<Link>same monitors go blank with : "please change your input timing to 1280x1024@60hz
13:17<Link>craig, yeah all it did was keyboard setting.
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13:18<abraham>yeah i just read that it doesnt do video anymore
13:18<craigevil>!drxx
13:18<dpkg>For Lenny onwards, ask me about <xorg config>. For Etch, reconfigure your X server by running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root; this will overwrite /etc/X11/xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (Sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>.
13:18<abraham>what kind of card do you have?
13:18<abraham>!xorg config
13:18<dpkg>From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Things like resolution are configured by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. As a result, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank but you can feed xorg settings using it still. Use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout and use "X -configure" as a template for your handwritten xorg.conf.
13:18<Link>Matrox G450 PCI Dual-head
13:19<abraham>run X -configure
13:19<abraham>then edit the file as needed
13:20<Link>the command i type is su X -configure ?
13:21<Link>i ran: X -configure got "Fatal server error: server is already active for display 0
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13:21<abraham>ok run /etc/init.d/gdm stop first
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13:22<Someone> MY MOMMY TOLD ME TO GTFO AND PWN UBUNTU, SO I DID, DEBIAN PWNS ALL :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:DD:D:D:D:D
13:23<Someone>ur mom
13:23<Someone>pl0x
13:23<olasd>!ur
13:23<dpkg>Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a word meaning "from within". A german prefix for refering to something very old. Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For Debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya.
13:23<Someone>UR MOM
13:23<Someone>PWNT DEBIAN
13:23<locsmif>lol
13:23<Someone>:)
13:23-!-Someone is now known as gotpwnt
13:23<gotpwnt>yay
13:23<gotpwnt>got pwnt
13:23<gotpwnt>bitch
13:23<gotpwnt>;D
13:24<olasd>olol I found CAPS-Lock and I eated it lolol
13:24<themill>!ops Someone gotpwnt would like to sit in silence
13:24<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: Someone gotpwnt would like to sit in silence
13:24<Link>tried and ran the config on X, got the same. i just downloaded the drivers for this video card on this laptop transfering to a usb now :)
13:24<gotpwnt>Lol
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13:24<Link>*got the same: blank screen etc etc
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13:24<peterS>gotpwnt: settle down
13:24<zobel>gotpwnt: this is a debian-support channel
13:25<locsmif>Link, what drivers?
13:25<zobel>gotpwnt: not a sandbox
13:25<gotpwnt>i dun wanna settle d0wn
13:25<gotpwnt>:[
13:25<themill>zobel, peterS: repeat offendor...
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13:25-!-mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS
13:25<zobel>peterS: thx
13:25<themill>thanks, ops
13:25<Link>http://projects.tuxx-home.at/?id=matrox_drivers
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13:27<locsmif>Seems this is the right place to ask:
13:27<locsmif>http://forum.tuxx-home.at/
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13:27<delopart>question what is the oldest and best known psuedo random number generator algorithm ?
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13:27<peterS>delopart: oldest and best known? perhaps the one published as an example in the K&R book, which for some reason lots of C library implementations have used unchanged
13:28<themill>Or one from numerical recipes.
13:28<Link>how would i mount a usb drive?
13:28<locsmif>Link, maybe this is related: http://forum.tuxx-home.at/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=675
13:29<Link>debian 5.0 doesnt use xorg 7.4?
13:30<themill>judd versions xserver-xorg
13:30<judd>themill: xserver-xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19 lenny: 1:7.3+18 squeeze: 1:7.3+19 sid: 1:7.4+3
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13:31<Link>im running lenny, so im okay for now :P
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13:31<Link>i think i found a drive install guide so im gonna try it out :) see how far i get lol
13:32<Link>and so far i dont know how to mount a usb drive lol :P
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13:33<oldfellow>hi guys any chance off some advicxe refrence vsftpd
13:33<oldfellow>advice*
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13:39<oldfellow>anyone lol
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13:46<hakerpawel>Hello everyone!
13:46<oldfellow>hi
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13:48<timj>Hello,im using lenny. I installed kde 4.2 by following instructions given at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html
13:48<timj>but i dont see the kde option in sessions menu on the login screen
13:48<timj>i had installed kde-full. Any way to fix this ?
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13:49<Link>how do you unmount something?
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13:50<abraham>link umount /dev
13:51<abraham>or umount cdrom
13:51<abraham>umout /path/to/device
13:51<oldfellow>vsftp help some one plz
13:51<abraham>umount*
13:51<abraham>!ask
13:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
13:51<Link>thanks abraham
13:52<abraham>n/p
13:52<bja>dpkg: tell oldfellow about ask
13:52<Link>another novice q: how do i mount my usbflash? im typing /mount /dev/sdc /mnt/usbflash (i created folder) but it says specify filetype?
13:53<oldfellow>ok seen it
13:53<bja>Link: man mount will give you a nice list of posible file types try them until you feel satisfied
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13:54<Link>hehehe thanks bja
13:55<oldfellow>ive installed vsftpd but i got this errror quite sure i know why but i went in got the old version so i updated to new one now i get this
13:55<oldfellow>sysdeputil.c:241: error: conflicting types for 'vsf_sysdep_check_auth'
13:55<oldfellow>sysdeputil.h:18: error: previous declaration of 'vsf_sysdep_check_auth' was here
13:55<oldfellow>make: *** [sysdeputil.o] Error 1
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13:55<oldfellow>ooh sugar sorry guys
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13:55<bja>dpkg: tell oldfellow about pastebin
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13:57<oldfellow>k phew thank good ness it wa only two lines
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13:57<Link>sigh... lol how do you get out of this manual?
13:57<southernc>...
13:57<southernc>what manual
13:57<abraham>Link, hit q
13:57<Link>ty :P
13:57<southernc>man pages ?
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13:58<abraham>southernc, yes
13:58<bja>Link: manpages are your friends, usuall
13:58<southernc>mmm
13:58<southernc>wish they had womenpages instead (:0/
13:59<bja>Link: man usually uses less as a pager
13:59<pr1959>can anyone assist newish user with general question please? fresh install of lenny
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13:59<southernc>just ask
13:59<bja>dpkg: tell pr1959 about ask
13:59<pr1959>i have one user set up and wirelss working ok
13:59<southernc>Zzzzz
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13:59<pr1959>and sound
13:59<bja>!enter
13:59<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
13:59<southernc>haha
14:00<pr1959>but another user wireless only works if the first user has connected first
14:00<abraham>pr add the second user to the wireless group
14:01<southernc>yea the second user doesnt have permissions to acess wireless
14:01<bja>abraham: do you have tab completion enabled on your client?
14:01<pr1959>second user can access BUT only after first
14:01<abraham>yes i forgot to hit it
14:01<bja>:)
14:02<Link>does this look right? mount /dev/sdc /mnt/usbflash -t usbfs (it works but te folder usbflash has wiered stuff in it and not the usb content? o0)
14:02<pr1959>how do i add user to wireless group then?
14:02<cahoot>is there one?
14:02<bja>Link: try another filesystem type
14:03<pr1959>just a nudge in the right direction will do :)
14:03<abraham>Link, mount -t fat /dev/sdc /mnt/usbflash
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14:03<southernc>pr1959: you have to add the user to netdev
14:04<abraham>pr1959, do you have gnome?
14:04<pr1959>yes gnome and i installed network manager
14:04<Link>abraham: uknown filesystem fat
14:04<southernc># adduser yourusername netdev
14:04<southernc># /etc/init.d/dbus reload
14:05<bja>Link: try vfat
14:05<abraham>pr1959, click on system>administration>users and groups then double click on the user and check the right box
14:05<pr1959>ok southernc, I'll try that thank you
14:05<abraham>Link, try vfat
14:05<Link>invalid media value
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14:07<Link>its a fat32 usb drive
14:07<abraham>ok use fat32
14:07<Link>just plugged it in laptop to check
14:07<bja>vfat should work
14:07<abraham>vfat and fat should
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14:08<pr1959>abraham I'll check that out in a min, just rebooting
14:08<Link>when i type taf / fat32 it tells me maybe i meant vfat
14:08<abraham>yes
14:08<Link>and when i use vfat i get an error lol
14:08<abraham>there is not fat32
14:09<Link>it says invalid media value 0x01
14:09<Link>am i trying to mount the wrong drive somehow?
14:09<abraham>Link, mount -t vfat /dev/sdc /mnt/usbflash
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14:09<Link>thats what im trying mate.
14:11<bja>Link: did you check that you are mounting the right device'
14:11<abraham>link after you plug it in click on the computer icon on your desktop and see if it shows up in there
14:11<bja>?
14:11<Link>abraham: i cant see my desktop remember? :P
14:11<abraham>yeah now i do
14:11<abraham>the driver is on the flash drive
14:12<abraham>you dont need a new driver just a modeline in your xorg.conf
14:12<Link>bja: when i plug in usb i see the following in the console: [2395.1932369] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
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14:13<Link>abraham: a modeline? you've lost me. im terribly sorry guys, my linux knowledge is pretty bad.
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14:13<pr1959>ok southernc, now I at least have a network icon at top right on log in and wireless is detected but it doesn't connect by default, I have to select the radio button (maybe because there are two wirelss networks detected?)
14:14<abraham>a line telling the xserver which modes it can use and which it cannot
14:14<bja>Link: try mount -t usbfs /dev/sdc1 /mtn/usbflash
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14:14<cahoot>usbfs?
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14:15<bja>man mount has that filesystem i just checked it
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14:15<Link>k trying now
14:16<bja>lmk
14:16<pr1959>ok, after a reboot it now connects to the desired network automatically...sweet...many thanks!
14:16<southernc>mmhmm
14:16<bja>!congratulate pr1959
14:16<dpkg>Yay pr1959, you did it!
14:17<Link>bja, command went through but the usbflash folder has a bunch of junk in it (001 002 003 004 ... devices) folder, it really should have just 1 file ...
14:17<Link>congrats pr1959
14:17<southernc>bja: you beat me :(
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14:17<oldfellow>still none the wiser
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14:18<abraham>oldfellow, ask your question
14:18<bja>Link: are you able to look at the file from other machines?
14:18<Link>yup. i can see it on this laptop
14:19<pr1959>abraham, I've just tried the gui group admin tool, it's good thanks - is there any disbenefit from adding root to the netdev group?
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14:19<oldfellow>can i pm ya abraham plz
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14:19<cahoot>pr1959: don't start fiddling with root
14:20<southernc>pr1959: relying on gui tools to do everything is a bad way to learn how to use linux
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14:20<pr1959>yep, I have some command line exp already not a total newbie
14:20<southernc>and you didnt know how to add a user to netdev
14:20<bja>Link: is that laptop running linux?
14:21<pr1959>i just thought will i was there i'd add root to the netdev group but probably no need so I won't :D
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14:21<cahoot>pr1959: leave root alone
14:21<abraham>link try mount -t ntfs /dev/sdc /mnt/usbflash
14:22<bja>abraham: ntfs?
14:22<pr1959>cahoot ok, I know how to su(do) and I have a Freesco command line only box running for some years with only root
14:22<abraham>thats all i can think of
14:22<Link>ntfs doesnt work
14:22<abraham>if he formatted it on winxp
14:22<Link>not a valid option
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14:23<bja>Link: is the laptop where you can read the usb running linux, if so mount the usb there and take a look at /etc/mtab
14:23<Link>laptop is windows which is what im on in irc
14:23<Link>desktop is debian
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14:23<bja>brb
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14:25<pr1959>does sound have to be configured on a per user basis too? I have it working fine one one user but not on another - volume control tells me 'No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found'
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14:25<cwood>Good morning. Exim question: is it possible to restrict users to one smtp authentication at a time?
14:25<Link>abraham: out of curiosity, i started nano /root/xorg.conf.new where would the resolution modes be? maybe i can edit and start X with this xorg.cong ?
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14:26<cahoot>pr1959: the users need to be in audio group
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14:26<pr1959>ah, and what would that be called?
14:26<cahoot>audio strangely enough
14:26<chaos>any known issues with dell poweredge 1425 ?
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14:27<pr1959>lol ...adduser as before - need to restart er, init.d too as with netdev?
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14:27<cahoot>pr1959: no - just logout/login affected users
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14:27<pr1959>ok trying that thanls
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14:31<bja>Link: ls /proc/filesystems <--paste the output on a pastebin, brb
14:31<abraham>brb
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14:32<pr1959>hmmm, that didnt work,there doesn't appear to be an audio group. in the gui account properties the user concerned has 'use audio devices' checked but volume control still shows same error.
14:32<bja>Link: cat /proc/filesystems <--paste the output on a pastebin, brb
14:33<cahoot>pr1959: this is a debian system?
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14:33<pr1959>lenny freshly installed desktop system
14:34<cahoot>pr1959: grep audio /etc/group returns empty?
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14:34<Link>sysfs,rootfs,bdev,cpuset,debugfs,securityfs,socksfs,pipefs,anon_inodefs,tmpfs,inotifyfs,devpts,ramfs,hugetlbfs,mqueue,usbfs,ext3
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14:35<pr1959>no it returns audio:x:29:paul,jo which looks light I suppose
14:35<cahoot>agrred
14:36<pr1959>audio works on paul but not jo
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14:36<cahoot>both are logged in atm?
14:37<pr1959>yes
14:37*Kjetil guesses the soundcard is busy
14:37<cahoot>pr1959: see if tables are turned of you change login order
14:37<pr1959>ok will do,
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14:37<cahoot>(just out of interest)
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14:39<Link>o.o wtf ... vfat worked
14:39<Link>why didnt it work before is BEYOND me lol
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14:42<pr1959>cahoot, logged in the other way round and both users have sound! Maybe a reboot was all that was required....trying it the original way round now
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14:44<deniz>how do i see and remove gpg keys?
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14:46<pr1959>yes that seems to work fine now, thank you :D
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14:48<pr1959>although there is no audio group in the gui users&groups admin
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14:49<cahoot>pr1959: strange
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14:52<pr1959>other groups that appear in the gui tool e.g. cdrom, plugdev appear if I do cat /etc/group although there are many more too.
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14:52<kurumin>debina
14:53<kurumin>exit
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14:57<pr1959>changes to permissions for power settings require reboot also (just for info!)
14:57<c36pop>hi each time debian starts i have vino-server that is started but it is desactivated in gnome config ; does anybody have that problem ?
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15:04<fleish>hi all, I was having some ruby gem troubles on lenny. I was trying to remove rubygems1.8 & aptitude told me libruby1.8-extras was broken ... seems it is suddenly a virtual package. so I reinstalled the .deb file manually using dpkg, but it's busted now throwing runtime errors ... anyone know what happened and if it's a result of the recent security patch for the debian ruby packages?
15:05<Link>wootage
15:05<Link>got it
15:05<Link>i now has a desktop lol
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15:06<Link>was able to mount and install driver.. thanks bja and abraham.
15:06<Link>ran x -configure and copied the new config over to xorg.conf .. reboot and viola lol
15:06<Link>:D yay
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15:23<candelaresi>hello
15:23<candelaresi>i'm from argentina
15:24<candelaresi>i need a spanish chanel please
15:24<bja>!es
15:24<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:24<candelaresi>thanks
15:25<Ganneff>!ar
15:25<dpkg>i heard ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina, or #debian-ar on irc.oftc.net.
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15:27<runpain2>hello
15:28<runpain2>i can not seem to get the flash to work in iceweasel browser i have all the flash addons
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15:30<runpain2>can some one help me please
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15:32<Link>question for you all: ubuntu has this update manager that keeps it up to date, does debian have something similar?
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15:36<bja>Link: A wild guess would be ....
15:37<OdyX>!aptitude
15:37<dpkg>well, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude
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15:37<Link>yes ? :P
15:37<Link>btw, thanks for your help earlier! im on my desktop finally
15:38<bja>your wellcome
15:39<Link>just turned xinerama on, lets see if it works :P
15:40<bja>hope so :)
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15:40<Link>x failed to start lol
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15:42<Link>hmm interesting
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15:42<Link>from the logs it looks like its trying to open the onboard video card too lol
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15:43<runpain2>what am i old ham??
15:44<runpain2>no one answered my quary
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15:44<Link>whats up runpain2?
15:44<runpain2>i can not seem to get the flash to work in iceweasel browser i have all the flash addons
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15:46<Link>:( dont even know where to point you lol. im sorry im pretty new myself
15:46<runpain2>iam using parsix os
15:46<Link>try a different browser?
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15:51<lexo_great>hi
15:52<lexo_great>is any1 here??????
15:52<adama>nope
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15:52<adama>just you
15:52<xiyann124> /server irc.europnet.org
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15:53<lexo_great>what r u doing
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15:53<adama>waiting for you to ask a debian support question
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15:53<lexo_great>what
15:53<bzed>!debian
15:53<dpkg>[debian] http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
15:54<lexo_great>bye
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15:54<bzed>that was easy.
15:54<adama>:)
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15:56<kvsingh>hello people
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16:12<chaos>cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/debian-testing-i386-DVD-1.iso <-- wouldn't download
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16:15<oldfellow>god lloking through the os manual for ftp does my head in ffs
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16:16<Getty>i totally got a problem understanding how i am supposed to give autofs the shares i wanna mount, i searched now many stuff on the web, but something from etch to lenny has changed it seems and i cant find any example or something in /usr/share/doc or any other information system (debian wiki)
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16:19<Bunnyh>getty, how would you like to have it set up? the configuration scheme is a bit odd, but not really complex. see man 5 autofs and man 5 auto.master
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16:21<Getty>Bunnyh: i want to use the auto.smb file that is delivered by the distribution ;)
16:21<Getty>Bunnyh: but all documentations tell me something about making some own file auto.cifs
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16:22<Bunnyh>But isn't CIFS really the standard nowadays?
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16:23<hensel>Hi. Is there some way to work around alsa not bein usable by more than one application at once?
16:23<Getty>Bunnyh: that is the same ;)
16:23<Getty>Bunnyh: auto.smb has -fstype=cifs
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16:23<Getty>i just have totally no clue where i add the lines for the servers now... all documentation just dont use the /etc/auto.smb, and i get confused why it is delivered at all
16:23<Getty>i want to understand
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16:25<hensel>hm, the alsa page in the debian wiki says that dmix is used for this and that it's enabled by default, yet it doesn't work for me
16:25<Bunnyh>Check what files /etc/auto.master includes, and add your servers to those files. I guess you need to file some bug report if the documentation or filenames are wrong
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16:37<ComradeHaz>eightyeight: sorry to poke you, but having a play with my new drives now/ trying to follow, at least to a certain extent, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.1 but I get the impression raidtools2 is somewhat deprecated now and there are better ways to do this. Can you give me your 2 cents on this one, please?!
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16:37<runpain2>i can not play http://www.tikilive.com/show/foxnews in my iceweasel web browser can some one help me please
16:38<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: mdadm
16:38<ComradeHaz>uh-hu?
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16:38<ComradeHaz>ok,I'll try to find another guide
16:38<Getty>Bunnyh: there is not any hint about what i have to add where
16:38<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: i mentioned this earlier. don't use mkraid. use mdadm. the debian wiki link i gave you is better, although a bit sparse
16:39<eightyeight>i'll try to update it when i find the time
16:39<ComradeHaz>runpain2: you need flash
16:39<runpain2>i got it
16:39<runpain2>flash i mean
16:39<runpain2> still will not play
16:39<ComradeHaz>suggest you get flashplugin-nonfree from the multimediorepos
16:39<ComradeHaz>which version?
16:40<runpain2>i dont know yet
16:40<eightyeight>you can get flashplugin-nonfree from multiverse
16:40<eightyeight>meh
16:40<eightyeight>non-free
16:40*eightyeight has been on ubuntu all day
16:40<ComradeHaz>:O
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16:41<runpain2>i will look in to that
16:41*ComradeHaz slaps eightyeight
16:41<ml|>runpain2: what flash are you using, now
16:41<runpain2>how do i find out
16:41<ml|>runpain2: no multiverse
16:41<ml|>this not ubuntu!
16:41<ml|>about:plugins
16:42<runpain2>ok
16:42<bja>!lart eightyeight
16:42*dpkg drops a truckload of VAXen on eightyeight
16:42<runpain2>will look
16:43<eightyeight>yeah, yeah, yeah
16:43<eightyeight>at least it's ubuntu, and not fedora
16:43<ComradeHaz>:D
16:43<ComradeHaz>True
16:43<runpain2>no flashplugin nonfree
16:43<ComradeHaz>or Windows :O
16:43<ComradeHaz>;)
16:43<ml|>runpain2: ?
16:43<eightyeight>well, i have to deal with that at work, unfortunately. no choice there
16:43<runpain2>only shockwave flash
16:43<runpain2>9.0
16:44<ml|>runpain2: are you on lenny?
16:44<runpain2>no i am using parsix distro
16:44<eightyeight>heh
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16:44<ml|>what?
16:44<eightyeight>runpain2: maybe you should ask in #parsix then?
16:44<ml|>!lart runpain2
16:44*dpkg does a little 'renice 20 -u runpain2'
16:45<ComradeHaz>wtf parsix? Why?!
16:45<ml|>why would ask for help here?
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16:45<runpain2>because parsix had this with its distro
16:46<runpain2>preinstalled
16:46<ComradeHaz>Well, if he's silly enough to use parsix, I guess that goes some way to explaining it :D
16:46<runpain2>its faster
16:46<bja>runpain2: it is a bug in parsix just like in ubuntu
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16:46<runpain2>parsix gnome
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16:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 396] by debhelper
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16:47<ml|>bja: ah, the x-chat bug
16:47<ComradeHaz>Yeah, a Ferrari F! car is faster than my Impreza, but it is no bloody use to anyone
16:47<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: i see no need to bash parsix. seems to be a quality distribution
16:47<bja>yeap that same one
16:47<ComradeHaz>:D
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16:47<runpain2>it has a lot of spice
16:47<ml|>runpain2: like eightyeight said ask for help in #parsix
16:47<ComradeHaz>So do my Missus' curries :)
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16:48<runpain2>they have no channel
16:48<deniz>which kernel is in sid right now?
16:48<ml|>#parsix on irc.freenode.net
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16:48<eightyeight>runpain2: we're not trying to shun you out, it's just that parsix is a different operating system than debian
16:48<ml|>judd: kernels
16:48<judd>ml|: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc5-686 (2.6.31~rc5-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14098); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-5); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-5~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch2); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
16:48<runpain2>oh ok i am new to this
16:48<eightyeight>runpain2: as such, you're likely to net get much, if any help from us
16:48<eightyeight>runpain2: we run debian here. ask a debian question, and we can help
16:49<bja>runpain2: the problem with any distro that is based on debian is that the small details that conform the usability of the distro differe from one to the other
16:49<eightyeight>s/net/not/
16:49<runpain2>thanks any way it has been fine here
16:49<runpain2>hope i have not offened any one here
16:49<ml|>runpain2: what they said :)
16:49<eightyeight>nay
16:49<ml|>nah
16:50<ComradeHaz>runpain2: essentially, though, you will probably find there are a few options for which package you use
16:50<runpain2>i will hang out though
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16:50<ml|>runpain2: if you want just stay on topic and all will be fine
16:50<ComradeHaz>try to establish what you have installed at the moment and then ask about to see if there are any alternatives and give them a try.
16:50<eightyeight>man. i can't type today
16:50<eightyeight>s/net/get/
16:50*eightyeight goes back to lurking
16:50<xeon-enouf>ican'ttype anyday
16:51<ml|>teah me too ;(
16:51<ml|>*yeah
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16:51<ComradeHaz>I don;t type, I just throw stuff at the keybard and pray
16:51<ml|>heh
16:51<bja>I just let my cat do its mating dance and things appear on the screen
16:52<ComradeHaz>:D
16:52<ml|>runpain2: atleast now you know you need to install flash
16:52<ComradeHaz>Funky cat
16:52<ml|>bja: hah
16:52<eightyeight>bja: in that case, get my monkeys to type up my dictionary
16:52<ComradeHaz>lol ml|! What insight!
16:52<ml|>ComradeHaz: well, before he had no clue
16:52<ComradeHaz>aye
16:52<ml|>:)
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16:53<ComradeHaz>hmm. So, are there any mdadm guru's about?!
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16:53<deniz>i have lenny deb repository and sid deb-src repository, how can i make apt-cache search temporarily show only sid packages?
16:53<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: you just want a mirror of the two drives?
16:53<ComradeHaz>yer
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16:54<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: mdadm -l 1 -n 2 -a yes /dev/sd{c,d}
16:54<ComradeHaz>partitions sdd1 and sdc1
16:54<ml|>deniz: do you sid for building packages only i hope?
16:54<eightyeight>why partitions? you can do the whole disk
16:54<ml|>*use
16:54<ComradeHaz>bit for boot
16:54<deniz>ml|, yes i just want to build virtualbox ose modules from source
16:54<eightyeight>for boot?
16:54<ComradeHaz>other part will be lvm
16:54<deniz>for my backported kernel
16:54<ComradeHaz>boot doesn't support lvm
16:55<eightyeight>oh. /boot
16:55<eightyeight>gotcha
16:55<eightyeight>grub2 supports lvm...
16:55<ComradeHaz>oh....?
16:55<ComradeHaz>do I have grub2
16:55<ComradeHaz>?
16:55<ComradeHaz>:D
16:55<eightyeight>yes. still marked "experimental", but supports booting off lvs
16:55<ComradeHaz>ah.
16:56<ComradeHaz>is it stable enough?
16:56<eightyeight>but anyway: mdadm -l 1 -n 2 -a yes /dev/sd{c,d}1 for partitions
16:56<eightyeight>yeah. i use it. no problems for me, but then i rarely boot my computer
16:56<ComradeHaz>can you tell me what that does, please?
16:56<ml|>deniz: try using apt-show-versions, but don't think that will work since you are only getting the sources and not packages, worth a try i guess
16:57<ComradeHaz>no point just blindly copying and pasting, I'll learn nothing
16:57<eightyeight>man mdadm
16:57<ComradeHaz>fair point :)
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16:57<eightyeight>:)
16:58<ml|>deniz: yeah does not work for that
16:58<eightyeight>meh. mdadm -C /dev/md1 -l ...
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16:58<eightyeight>definitely not one of my strong days at the keyboard
16:59<ComradeHaz>o.O
16:59*ComradeHaz wonders why his barand new drives just caught fire
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16:59<eightyeight>don't play with matches?
16:59<ComradeHaz>:D
16:59<ml|>heh
17:00<bash>Matches are fun though :'(
17:01<ComradeHaz>hmm, eightyeight, I don't get what the -a option does (reading man)
17:02<xeon-enouf>grep-{status,available,dctrl} perhaps
17:02<eightyeight>it creates /dev/md1 if it doesn't already exist
17:02<xeon-enouf>install grep-dctrl dctrl-tools
17:02<eightyeight>if you do '-a part' then it creates a partitionable array that you can chop up with fdisk or parted
17:02<eightyeight>and so on
17:03<eightyeight>if you don't supply '-a yes', and /dev/md1 doesn't already exist, the mdadm command will let you know
17:03<ComradeHaz>ah,ok
17:03<ComradeHaz>thanks
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17:04<runpain2>i tested the sound and the sound tested fine but when i play a sound file there is no sound
17:04<ml|>runpain2: #parsix on irc.freenode.net
17:05<runpain2>no help from them
17:05<ml|>ok, but you are offtopic here
17:05<runpain2>ok i will be quite
17:06<ml|>those are the rules
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17:07<ml|>runpain2: /msg dpkg based on debian
17:07<chahibi>runpain2: lie and say you use debian
17:08<chahibi>it is just a white lie
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17:08<ml|>chahibi: don't tell him that :P
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17:09<eightyeight>chahibi: we'll discover it soon enough, just as we did with flash
17:10<ml|>yeah, but will waste others time before they get to that point
17:10<chahibi>eightyeight: yeah, cheaters don't prosper
17:10<ComradeHaz>hmm, runpain2 is kinda up against it :D
17:10<ComradeHaz>there's only 8 people in #parsix :D
17:10<eightyeight>ml|: agreed
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17:11<ml|>most come here to help others out *using debian* not waste thier time on other distros
17:12<ml|>plus those are the rules
17:12<eightyeight>no argument here
17:12<ml|>just saying :)
17:12<ComradeHaz>right, time to figure out how to format these babies and make lvm's :D
17:13<ml|>man mkfs.ext3/4
17:13<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: mdadm succeed? still running?
17:13<eightyeight>ml|: that's a bit down the line. :)
17:13<ComradeHaz>think so eightyeight
17:13<ml|>yeah
17:13<ComradeHaz>fdisk's reporting them
17:13<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: mdadm --detail /dev/md1 or cat /proc/mdstat
17:14<ComradeHaz>no valid partiton table of course though
17:14<xeon-enouf>~$ grep-aptavail -S -sPackage,Version virtual
17:15<ml|>i'll say nothing since i know nothing about raid, but after the raid is setup you fdisk, mkfs etc.. just the same a non-raid setup?
17:15<ComradeHaz>hmm
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17:15<eightyeight>ml|: we're putting lvm on top of the raid array. so we have, {pv,vg,lv}create before we get to mkfs
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17:16<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: eh?
17:16<ComradeHaz>http://haz.red-army.org.uk/raidInfo
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17:17<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: what's md2 and md3?
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17:17<ComradeHaz>2 and 3 are the new ones
17:17<ml|>eightyeight: ok, no fdisk involved in that? lvm takes care of that part that fdisk would do?
17:17<eightyeight>was md1 already being used for an array?
17:17<ComradeHaz>remember the system is currently running on a raid
17:17<eightyeight>ml|: fdisk would be before mdadm, if we're raiding partitions
17:17<ComradeHaz>yes, 0 and 1 were in use
17:17<eightyeight>hmm
17:17<ComradeHaz>is that going to cause me a problem?
17:18<bash>Need help with command-not-found
17:18<eightyeight>i wasn't aware of that
17:18<eightyeight>dunno
17:18<zas>hi people
17:18<bash>http://pastebin.ca/1527933
17:18<ml|>eightyeight: ok, i'll this some day, thanks for the info
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17:18<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: can you access the files on /dev/md1?
17:18<eightyeight>ml|: np
17:18<ml|>*learn
17:18<zas>ey somebody know a good chanel for programing in visualbasic.net?
17:18<ComradeHaz>uh, well, I expect so :D
17:18<ComradeHaz>as I said, this system is running on it
17:18<eightyeight>i don't want expectations. i want results
17:19<eightyeight>what's mounted from /dev/md1?
17:19<ComradeHaz>everything
17:19<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: did the mdadm command fail?
17:19<ComradeHaz>no.
17:19<eightyeight>/, /tmp, /boot... ?
17:19<ml|>bash: trying to do a aptitude update as a user?
17:19<ComradeHaz>yup, swap, jhome, usr, var too
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17:20<eightyeight>mount -o remount /var
17:20<eightyeight>if you can
17:20<eightyeight>or /tmp
17:20<ComradeHaz>o.O Why?
17:20<ComradeHaz>tom@Hades:~$ sudo mdadm -C /dev/md2 -l 1 -n 2 -a yes /dev/sd{c,d}1
17:20<ComradeHaz>mdadm: array /dev/md2 started.
17:20<ComradeHaz>tom@Hades:~$ sudo mdadm -C /dev/md3 -l 1 -n 2 -a yes /dev/sd{c,d}2
17:20<ComradeHaz>mdadm: array /dev/md3 started.
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17:20<ml|>heh
17:21<eightyeight>grrrr.
17:21<ml|>dpkg: pastebin
17:21<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
17:21<ComradeHaz>oops :D
17:21<eightyeight>you're not giving me explicit details
17:21<ComradeHaz>didn't mean to do that
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17:21<xeon-enouf>sure you did
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17:21<ComradeHaz>nope, meant to paste that in my other console
17:21<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: cat /proc/mdstat again. same output?
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17:22<xeon-enouf>bash: ok
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17:22<bash>xeon-enouf: Ok?
17:22<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: we're fine with /dev/md1. i thought you ran 'mdadm -C /dev/md1 ...'. you didn't tell me you didn't, so i was confused
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17:22<xeon-enouf>bash: yep
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17:22<bash>Wht?
17:22<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: however, the bell has tolled, and i need to bail. i'll be back online in a few hours
17:22<bash>Do you know how to fix it?
17:22<ComradeHaz>righty ho
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17:22<ComradeHaz>thanks for your help :)
17:22<ml|>bash: do it as root
17:23<ComradeHaz>I'll try not to wipe all my files in the mean time :D
17:23<xeon-enouf>bash: fix what?
17:23<ml|>17:19:36 < ml|> bash: trying to do a aptitude update as a user?
17:23<xeon-enouf>ml|: got your crystal ball out eh?
17:24<ml|>xeon-enouf: haha 17:18:09 < bash> http://pastebin.ca/1527933
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17:24<xeon-enouf>grr
17:24<xeon-enouf>alli saw was something about command-not-found
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17:24<ml|>hehe 0_0
17:24<bash>http://pastebin.com/m3b4bf148
17:25<bash>mlj:
17:25<bash>mlJ:
17:25<bash>Ml|:
17:25<bash>fuck it
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17:25<ml|>bash: spell aptitude right
17:25<bash>aptitude
17:26<bash>it was a typo.
17:26<ml|>bash: use tab to complete nicks
17:26<xeon-enouf>heh
17:26<xeon-enouf>!mangle ml| 's nick
17:27<ml|>bash: i see now you mean now at the bottom?
17:27<ml|>xeon-enouf: thanks :P
17:27<bash>???
17:27<ml|>bash: on your pastebin paste
17:27<bash>How do I add GPG keys for them?
17:28<xeon-enouf>ml|: tried awesomeBar with IW yet? i can't seem to find where it's at in debian repos ... or
17:28<ml|>xeon-enouf: nope dunno what that is
17:29<ml|>xeon-enouf: why not install addons from mozilla?
17:29<xeon-enouf>bash: are you on a livecd, or had installed some debian variant from some livecd?
17:29<xeon-enouf>ml|: hrm .. well, atleast i can search/show it
17:30<xeon-enouf>ml|: i already have FlashBlock, AdBlock, TabKit, SessionManager, NoScript \o/
17:30<bash>xeon-enouf, no, I am using debian
17:30<xeon-enouf>ok
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17:32<ml|>bash: there is command but i forget now, try and look for the key in aptitude ncusers or maybe got to thier respected site and follow the directions to install their key
17:32<xeon-enouf>ml|: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search?q=awesomebar&cat=all :-(
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17:32<ml|>bash: in aptitude the key should the name of the keyring
17:33<xeon-enouf>!new archive key
17:33<dpkg>If you have fallen behind with your updates, then you may be getting this warning from apt-get update: "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 9AA38DCD55BE302B". Install the debian-archive-keyring package to load the new key or manually load the new key using apt-key after verifying that it has been correctly signed. Ask me about <secure apt> <apt-key 55BE302B>.
17:33<ml|>is this one ...
17:33<adb>dpkg: tell ml|: -about key
17:33<ml|>dpkg: apt-key 55BE302
17:33<dpkg>gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 55BE302 ; gpg --export 55BE302 | sudo apt-key add -
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17:34<ml|>adb: wb, heh not that one
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17:35<ml|>bash: you need to do the above for all those missing keys at the bottom of your pastebin
17:36<ml|>xeon-enouf: hmm, you can't find that huh?
17:37-!-mode/#debian [+l 390] by debhelper
17:37<xeon-enouf>ml|: er "Sure, I've had the absolute joy of using the Smart Location Bar (aka: Awesomebar) for ages"
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17:37<xeon-enouf>how silly
17:38<bash>is there a program that automatically loads them?
17:38<ml|>bash: the above is telling you how to do it
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17:39<ml|>xeon-enouf: then why this ;P 17:28:18 < xeon-enouf> ml|: tried awesomeBar with IW yet? i can't seem to find where it's at in debian repos ... or
17:40<ml|>xeon-enouf: i don't use that, i use vimperator and i see no awesomebar :)
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17:41*xeon-enouf gives up
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17:43<peej>my webcam in lenny stopped working with a lenny update today or yesterday. Any got tips on how to fix it? The syslog error shows /dev/video0 vanished, but a " mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0 ; chmod g+w /dev/video0; chgrp video /dev/video0" didn't help motion grab the video either
17:43*ml| does the same
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17:44<squelos>hi
17:44<squelos>im trying to follow this guide http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=26966#169071
17:44<insigne>eu
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17:45<peej>motion still says: Failed to open video device /dev/video0: No such device
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17:45<aMuleAduGuest234>hola
17:46<aMuleAduGuest234>estoy buscando ares para linux
17:46<abraham>peej, if your kernel updated try booting into the old kernel
17:46<ml|>dpkg: es
17:46<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:46<aMuleAduGuest234>ok, in english
17:46<aMuleAduGuest234>I'm looking for ares for linux
17:47<peej>ooh. unloading and loading uvcvideo module worked.
17:47<aMuleAduGuest234>i think is gtkpod, but I don't understand it
17:47<ml|>aMuleAduGuest234: did you try apt-cache search ares or with aptitude?
17:47<xeon-enouf>ml|: now google and mozilla is telling me it's SmarterFox addon .. wtf is wrong with these people?
17:48<ml|>xeon-enouf: heh
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17:48<ml|>xeon-enouf: is that what you where looking for?
17:48<xeon-enouf>no udevd running ?
17:48<xeon-enouf>oh, gone
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17:49<xeon-enouf>ml|: i don't know .. but it looks bloated
17:49<xeon-enouf>ml|: an addon that does 5000 other things, rather than the one thing one wants is ... bloated
17:49<aMuleAduGuest234>look, if I play my ipod nano appears a message that means Uncharted
17:50<aMuleAduGuest234>How Can I disappear this message?
17:50<squelos>can someone help me install emerald on my lenny (running gnome and compiz fusion
17:50<aMuleAduGuest234>that's ok. I'll be back in two months. I'll play a match in ludoteka.com
17:51<aMuleAduGuest234>thanks for your help
17:51<aMuleAduGuest234>bye
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17:51<xeon-enouf>!customer
17:51<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
17:51<abraham>squelos, i am doing it right now
17:51<squelos>installing it ?
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17:51<squelos>do you have a good guide or something ? i think ive got packages missing
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17:52<ml|>xeon-enouf: agreed
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17:58<bash>gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
17:58<bash>:/
17:58<bash>gpgkeys: key B21CD0D13CB689CF not found on keyserver
17:59<bash>W: GPG error: http://sidux.wuertz.org sid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B21CD0D13CB689CF
17:59<themill>dpkg: tell bash about sidux
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18:00*xeon-enouf knew he wasn't on debian
18:00<bash>I am on debian
18:00<bash>I though i could use there repo :(
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18:01<xeon-enouf>!pal bash
18:01<bash>since they are both debian
18:01*dpkg points at bash and laughs
18:01<bash>:(
18:01<bash>!cry
18:01*dpkg sulks quietly
18:01<bash>!cry bash
18:01<adb>bash: infobash , says ?
18:02<themill>bash: users of debian-derived distributions are not supported on #debian -- they should seek support from whomever they got their software from. (b) users of sid are expected to be able to read manuals, use google and look after themselves. Either way, you're SOL here.
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18:05<bash>SOL?
18:05<theevilone>hey how many of the cd's do i need to download in order to install debian
18:05<theevilone>Im sure I dont need all 30
18:05<bash>And i am not on Sid, I am using apt-pining
18:06<xeon-enouf>consider backporting, not pinning
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18:06<xeon-enouf>but still, sidux is not debian (as you've been told 5 different ways)
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18:07<bash>Whats better about backporting?
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18:07<xeon-enouf>theevilone: netinstall
18:07<xeon-enouf>bash: /msg dpkg backports
18:07<ml|>theevilone: or cd1 if you connection sucks
18:08<ml|>bash: /msg dpkg bpo
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18:10<ml|>bash: if that key is not on the server, try a different server and/or ask in #sidux
18:11<zas>ey guys
18:11<bash>does anyone on here use QT creator?
18:11<zas>somebody know some irc server, from chat of hack? (if is in spanish better)
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18:13<ml|>dpkg: tell bash about ask
18:14<bash>I am getting this error\
18:14<bash>http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/unable-to-launch-p4unknown-error-745987/
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18:14<bash>I found this...'
18:14<bash>http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/OE_fails_with_p4_command_not_found
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18:15<bash>but i dont know how to set enviormental veriable
18:15<bash>"It probably means you have a P4* environment variable defined and GNU patch has assumed that you want to use perforce to find missing files, etc. Set the following environment variable to fix this issue:"
18:15<adb> /ignore "bash no clue"
18:15<bash>export PATCH_GET=0
18:15<valdyn>bash: so you are mixing sidux with debian and are asking us why things are not working?
18:15<bash>No i'm not...
18:15<valdyn>bash: what then?
18:16<bash>I am using QT creator but it cant find "P4 destop enviorment"
18:16<bash>environment *
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18:16<valdyn>bash: where is that qt creator package from? is your system now sidux or not?
18:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 384] by debhelper
18:17<bash>http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/attachment.php?attachmentid=1178&d=1249724373
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18:17<bash>its from debian repos
18:17-!-User is now known as Guest17
18:17<valdyn>debians qtcreator works ok it seems
18:18<ml|>bash: why do you have testing, sid, sidux and others in your sources.list then?
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18:18<themill>bash: do you know what perforce is?
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18:18<bash>not really...
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18:19<Kralizec>hi
18:19<bash>but it wont let me build anything
18:19<Hideo>somewhat general linux question, I can do it manually as root, however my script, also ran as root, cannot set "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward", why not and how to make it so?
18:19<themill>bash: So don't tell it that you're using perforce.
18:19<valdyn>p4 seems to be just a simple qt creator tutorial project
18:20<valdyn>Hideo: i think you may be using sudo
18:20<bash>"No valid Qt version set. Set one in Tools/Options
18:20<bash>"
18:20<valdyn>Hideo: "sudo echo foo" does not work, because echo is not an executable
18:21<valdyn>Hideo: err, i mean that it doesnt run echo "as root", it sure works as i wrote it
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18:22<Hideo>valdyn: I am most definitely not, which is why I'm puzzled
18:22<themill>bash: and that has nothing to do with P4. Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy qtcreator qt4-dev-tools libc6" for us?
18:22<valdyn>Hideo: give us the script and the way you are running it etc.
18:22<Hideo>valdyn: it can echo to other files in other parts of the fs, just not /proc/
18:22<valdyn>Hideo: including the error message
18:22<bash>I think i found a fix.....
18:22<Hideo>valdyn: sure one sec
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18:26<valdyn>hmm, my reasoning is wrong, the > doesnt work with sudo
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18:26<Hideo>valdyn: http://pastebin.com/m2e5c8b50 something like that
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18:27<valdyn>Hideo: cant see your error message
18:27<Hideo>i've tested with a really basic script, it can not echo to /proc but to other dirs is fine
18:27<Hideo>valdyn: no error message whatsoever
18:27<Hideo>I check by cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
18:27<Hideo>and it wasn't set
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18:28<valdyn>Hideo: replace dash with bash?
18:28<Hideo>valdyn: tried that to, no go
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18:29<Hideo>valdyn: the whoami line confirmed it was ran as root, if that matters
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18:29<adb>Hideo: put it in /etc/rc.local ...
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18:29<valdyn>Hideo: i think it works fine
18:29<valdyn>Hideo: but you may be running this script at the wrong time
18:30<Hideo>valdyn: that is why it's driving me nuts, it does not work for me
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18:30<Hideo>adb: can you elaborate on why?
18:30<Hideo>I'm running way after boot, only when needed
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18:30<valdyn>Hideo: i wonder why you are reinventing the wheel by writing a custom firewall script
18:31<Hideo>valdyn: heh, yes, but I want to experiment :)
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18:31<fleish>hey guys - FYI the vast majority of debian mirrors are bad for main right now http://mirror.debian.org/status.html
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18:31<valdyn>Hideo: im not good with shell scripting, maybe the echo "0" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is executed too
18:31<Hideo>valdyn: sadly it doesn't :(
18:32<valdyn>Hideo: you should "echo /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" right after the "echo "1"..."
18:32<Hideo>but when I do that in the terminal, it does
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18:32<Hideo>you mean cat right?
18:32<valdyn>Hideo: ops, yes
18:32<Hideo>and yes, let me do it and see
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18:33<Kralizec>which is the status of ia32-apt-get?
18:33<valdyn>Kralizec: mia
18:34<Hideo>valdyn: sonofabitch, I'm confused, the cat line right after the echo line says 1, but when I cat manually from the terminal it says 0
18:34<valdyn>Hideo: well, thats much later
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18:34<Hideo>so something maybe is resetting it
18:34<Kralizec>valdyn: but acroread (via debian-multimedia) supposedly now depends on it...
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18:35<valdyn>Hideo: now put echo "resetting" after the "echo "0" > .. "
18:35<Kralizec>valdyn: I just want to install acroread in amd64, and it's becoming a big PITA
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18:35<valdyn>Kralizec: that may be, sid always has some broken stuff
18:35<Hideo>valdyn: okay, that's good enough hint for me, I'm gonna go dig around and see what resets it :)
18:35<Hideo>valdyn: thanks
18:35<themill>Kralizec: there are plenty of other good (better!) pdf viewers around
18:36<ml|>yes there are
18:36<Kralizec>valdyn: now acroread installs ok, but ia32-apt-get uninstalls nspluginwrapper, so no plugin for me
18:36<Kralizec>themill: with embedded iceweasel viewer?
18:36<valdyn>evince is nice
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18:36<valdyn>well, if you run gnome anyway
18:36<valdyn>and ocr is included
18:36<themill>nfc... I hate acroread's plugin
18:36<Kralizec>valdyn: icewm here
18:37<valdyn>Kralizec: xpdf maybe
18:37<Kralizec>don't like fancy desktop managers
18:37<valdyn>Kralizec: thats slim and fast
18:37<Kralizec>valdyn: xpdf has no mozilla plugin AFAIK
18:37<valdyn>Kralizec: it has a mozilla plugin
18:37<Kralizec>I'll check it
18:38<ml|>epdfview here
18:38<Kralizec>anyway, it's always useful to have several PDF viewers around, specially if you intend to print them
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18:38<Kralizec>I've got PDFs which only could be printed with acroread, others with kpdf (now okular)...
18:38<ml|>and old standby xpdf
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18:38<valdyn>Kralizec: the mozplugger plugin is enabling xpdf to be the pdf viewer plugin on my system
18:39<Kralizec>valdyn: thanks for the tip, I'll check that
18:39<themill>kpdf just works 99.9% of the time for me... no need for multiple viewers except for badly broken pdfs and pdftops normally fixes them
18:39<Kralizec>but I want to see it embedded
18:39<valdyn>Kralizec: it IS embedded
18:39<Kralizec>themill: I work in an academic environment... and believe me, there are quite a lot of broken PDFs here
18:39<r3c4ll>tengo problemas para reproducir .mpeg y .asf con totem
18:39<r3c4ll>tengo una instalacion de lenny recien instalada
18:39<r3c4ll>ya agregue los repositorios de debian-multimedia.org
18:39<r3c4ll>instale w32codecs gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg ffmpeg libfaad2-0 libmp4v2 libfaac0 alsamixergui toolame lame libmp3lame0 libdvdnav4 libdvdread3 libdvdcss2 avifile-divx-plugin
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18:40<Kralizec>valdyn: going to check it...
18:40<themill>Kralizec: ditto.
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18:45<ml|>valdyn: thanks for the mozplugger tip :)
18:45<Kralizec>critical bugs of mozplugger (-> 1.12.1-2) <unfixed>
18:45<Kralizec> #531089 - mozplugger: mozplugger crashes iceweasel and the graphical interface
18:45<Kralizec>hmmmm
18:45<Kralizec>I don't think I should install it now
18:45<ml|>hmm
18:46<valdyn>Kralizec: im not sure there is *any* application that doesnt crash
18:46<Kralizec>valdyn: I'll go check the bug report
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18:46<Kralizec>I don't mind if some application crashes... however, if any application crashes...
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18:49<Kralizec>btw, what are the plans for ia32-apt-get?
18:50<Kralizec>is it going to be used, or is it already deprecated?
18:50<Arrowmaster>deprecated i think but i dont know where to find any info about whats going on
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18:51<Kralizec>I think it's a cool idea
18:51<Kralizec>but...
18:53<Arrowmaster>i have to wait for the ia32-apt-get/ia32-libs things to get sorted out so i can install nvidia-glx-ia32 from sid which is currently broken due to missing dependancies
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18:55<valdyn>Kralizec: it was removed by mistake
18:56<Ganneff>no it wasnt a mistake
18:56<valdyn>no?
18:56<valdyn>damn
18:57<Kralizec>valdyn: see bug #54120
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18:57<Kralizec>no
18:57<Kralizec>not that
18:57<Arrowmaster>Ganneff: do you know a link to any info on whats going on with ia32 in amd64/ia64? such as something on the mailing list?
18:57<Kralizec>bug #541200
18:58<valdyn>#535645 made it look like a mistake a while ago
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18:58<Kralizec>Arrowmaster: I'm on the amd64 list and don't remember having seen anything about it
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19:00<Kralizec>anyway, ia32 in amd64 seem to be a mess right now
19:00<valdyn>Kralizec: it works fine with ia32-apt-get
19:01<valdyn>Kralizec: just that that package isnt available right now
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19:01<valdyn>Kralizec: and i cant say anything about how clean that solution is.. obviously its not popular
19:02<Arrowmaster>i had to install libc6 and ia32-libs from sid just to get wine to run then found out i still needed nvidia-glx-ia32 to get anything to run in 3d
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19:02<Kralizec>valdyn: but it's officialy deprecated
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19:03<Kralizec>so nsplugginwrapper will never be changed to work with it, I understand
19:03<Kralizec>at least that's what it says in the bug report
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19:04<kisisten>hi, need help with courier maildrop/mailfilter settings. Anyone using ~/.mailfilter?
19:07<Kralizec>I got acroread working with mozplugger..
19:07<Kralizec>I feel dirty O:-)
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19:12<oizo>anyone know a good news irc?
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19:24<Kralizec>god, I hate KDE/okular
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19:29<squelos>hi
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19:44<erin>hey peeps i got a error while trying to install a new kernel
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19:44<erin>http://pastebin.ca/1528745
19:44<erin>can you help me
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19:47<erin>hello
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19:50<ajavid>#
19:50<ajavid>Running postinst hook script update-grub.
19:50<ajavid>#
19:50<ajavid>User postinst hook script [update-grub] failed to execute: No such file or directory
19:50<ajavid>here you seem to not have grub installed...
19:50<erin>i do...
19:50<erin>i got grub boot manager installed...
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19:50<erin>i am reinstalling grub-common
19:51<xeon-enouf>erin: try dpkg-reconfigure
19:51<erin>actually it says new install.
19:51<erin>i already did
19:51<erin>er.
19:51<erin>dpkg --reconfigure
19:51<dpkg>erin: bugger all, i dunno
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19:52<erin>it installed grub2 and now its 'chain loading'
19:52<xeon-enouf>grep grub /etc/kernel-img.conf
19:54<erin>updated my pastebin
19:55<erin>http://pastebin.ca/1528765
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19:58<erin>well i am not going to reboot and hibernate tonight
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20:00<ajavid>xeon-enouf, chat
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20:05<fgh>how come alsaconf is removed? how should i configure my soundcard now? :(
20:05<abraham>fgh it should be done by itself
20:05<fgh>i have no sound
20:06<abraham>try dpkg-reconfigure alsa
20:06<fgh>will do
20:06<abraham>or turning up the volume with alsamixer
20:06<fgh>done
20:06<abraham>i figured so
20:08<fgh>hm, alsa isnt installed the -base package etc are installed though
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20:08<fgh>aptitudes doesnt let me install alsa
20:09<abraham>what does it say?
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20:10<fgh>http://debian.pastebin.com/d1d063ec6
20:10<abraham>it is installed
20:11<abraham>what card do you have?
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20:11<fgh>http://debian.pastebin.com/d77eae5b3
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20:11<abraham>try dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base
20:12<xeon-enouf>and nois udevd, hal, dbus running?
20:12<xeon-enouf>s/nois//
20:12<fgh>xeon-enouf?
20:12<xeon-enouf>also linux-sound-base
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20:13<ariimood>hi
20:13<fgh>hi
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20:16<zas>somebody know how to use nslookup? i try to do a transfer zone like: ls -d xxx.com... and nslookup tellme that ls is not iomplemented
20:16<zas>why?
20:16<zas>in windows works good this command
20:17<fgh>oh, thanks guys
20:18<fgh>sound'z up'n runnin'
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20:20<adama>zas: read the man page?
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20:22<zas>adama yes but put in ls, finger ,root and help, not implemented
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20:23<abrotman>huh ?
20:23<zas>in man put the same
20:23<zas>not implemeented that commands
20:24<abrotman>!es
20:24<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:24<zas>maybe i must to install something more?
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20:27<kop>zas: The ls man page is in the coreutils package, which should be installed.
20:29<kop>zas: nslookup is obsolete. The replacement is dig. And the implimentations are not the same on MS Windows and Linux anyway.
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20:31<kop>zas: You might also be interested in "getent hosts ..."
20:31<zas>kop, the problem is that i cant install more things in apt-get for nslookupand the program tell taht the funtion that i wana is not implemented
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20:31<kop>zas: If you have nslookup installed you have dig installed, and dig can do more than nslookup.
20:32<fgh>dnsutils
20:33<kop>zas: What are you trying to ask dns?
20:33*Kralizec pira a la cama
20:33<zas>kop, i wana make a transfer zone
20:33<zas>i know that one DNS have this stupid "bug"
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20:34<zas>d i know how to view on windows
20:34<zas>but in linux the programa that i know use, dsnt works good
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20:34<kop>zas: dig -t AXFR ...
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20:35<zas>kop i put that and the ip of DNS server and dont do nothing is reached
20:35<kop>zas: For example: dig -t AXFR example.com @ns0.example.com
20:36<zas>whait
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20:36<kop>zas: Usually you'll put the nameserver you want to transfer from at the end with an @ in front.
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20:37<zas>kop can i write you the server on private to tell you the bug aand the dns, beacuse i tried on linux and dosnt works and in my emulate windows works
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20:38<kop>zas: If you want to transfer the zone foo you say: dig -t AXFR foo @nameserveryouarequerying
20:38<kop>zas: If you do that what does it say?
20:39<zas>yes
20:39<zas>whait to see if it works
20:40<zas>nothing kop
20:40<zas>dsnt work
20:40<zas>i have errors
20:40<kop>zas: You know about paste?
20:40<kop>!tell zas -about paste
20:40<zas>lol
20:41<zas>yes
20:41<zas>but dnst work
20:41<kop>zas: paste the input and output somewhere.
20:41<zas>believe
20:41<zas>whait
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20:44<zas>kop, you have all here, nslookup and dig
20:44<zas>http://pastebin.com/d3ab03c0f
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20:45<ketto>hi
20:45<ketto>anyone know anything about the version of linux the asus eee pc comes with?
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20:48<kop>zas: Try: dig -t AXFR uam.es @80.58.61.250
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20:50<zas>kop, lol you change the ip, now works
20:50<zas>thanks kop
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20:50<kop>zas: It was one of the IPs you tried.
20:50<zas>in dig you can make an output file?
20:51<kop>zas: Thing is, some nameservers, in general properly configured ones, are not going to do a zone transfer for a stranger.
20:51<kop>zas: dig -t AXFR uam.es @80.58.61.250 > /tmp/foo
20:51<zas>i know
20:51<zas>but let me see
20:52<kop>zas: BTW, 80.58.61.250 won't zone transfer uam.es to me.
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20:52<zas>perfect
20:52<kop>zas: What are you really trying to do?
20:53<zas>kop, i like security, i know this bug for many years, and i tried in linux.. qhen i see that i can i come here
20:54<zas>i am prroving the tools
20:54<zas>kop for your inforamtion
20:54<zas>this DNS server
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20:55<zas>is for uam, is the university of amdrid
20:55<zas>have this bug
20:55<zas>is funny
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20:56<kop>zas: You probably also want : dig -t NS uam.es @gollum.ti.uam.es and so forth for their other nameservers.
20:56<kop>zas: That's usually where dns is mis-configured.
20:59<zas>that isnt works
20:59-!-seth [~seth@190-82-38-129.adsl.tie.cl] has joined #debian
20:59<zas>but this problems is serius if you wana you can make a denegation service
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21:00<kop>zas: Yes, but you'll note that gollum is listed as a nameserver in the output of: dig -t NS uam.es Which is an indication of mis-configuration or breakage.
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21:00<zas>yes
21:00<zas>kop https://www.nic.es/esnic/esn/verificarValidacionWhoisAction
21:01<kop>zas: No doubt you'll straigten them out quickly. ;-)
21:02*abrotman wonders if this is a debian issue
21:02<zas>kop i dont understand straigten
21:02-!-shweppsie [~shweppsie@125-238-250-35.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #debian
21:03<zas>google cant translete straigten xD
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21:04<kop>zas: Sorry, mis-spelling. "to make straight", an idiom for "to correct"
21:05<zas>ok now i undertand
21:05-!-FairyCosmo_ [~Cossie@p5B23F28D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
21:05<zas>:P
21:06<kop>zas: That website is giving me nothing but capchas.
21:06<seth>:O
21:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 370] by debhelper
21:07<zas>jajajaj
21:07<seth>Jajajaja
21:08<zas>kop its an important and famous university of SPAIN , is very popular
21:08<zas>:P
21:08<seth>Si !
21:09<zas>kop you know programing?
21:09<bja>zas: the site is asking me for a Identificador and Contraseña (user and pwd)
21:09<kop>zas: Everybody makes mistakes. I found an important university in the U.S. with a mis-configured DNS a few years ago. They fixed it.
21:09<kop>zas: You could say I do.
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21:10<zas>kop well this DNs was like now about 6 years
21:10<seth>dammit!
21:10<zas>bja the websity of uam.es?
21:11<kop>zas: If it mostly works, and nobody points out the problem, then it gets left alone. Write hostmaster@uam.es, that's the contact address in the SOA.
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21:12<seth>uam.es it's very loser
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21:12<zas>i will write him later
21:12<abrotman>what does this have to do with debian again ?
21:13<zas>:P
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21:13<abrotman>no .. really ..
21:13<kop>abrotman: Sorry. Drifted off topic.
21:13<abrotman>like .. when it started :)
21:13-!-ttttt [~ant@ip72-210-72-92.mc.at.cox.net] has joined #debian
21:13<kop>abrotman: It started as "how to query dns on debian".
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21:13<zas>whe start with nslookup and finish
21:14<zas>in this topic
21:14<zas>hahaha
21:14<kop>!tell zas -about enter
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21:14<ajavid>zas is a crazy last name.
21:14<ajavid>'s Ass. ;)
21:14<zas>haha
21:14<ajavid>insert firstname there.
21:15<zas>zass like peter grifing
21:15*abrotman points at #debian-offtopic
21:15<zas>zass in the mouth (i hear in spanish)
21:15<ttttt>my console text gets shifted after grub boots, before that all text is within the monitor, X looks fine, no shifts here. What can the problem be?
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21:15<abrotman>ttttt: your monitor has a different setting for that mode
21:16<seth>unav.es
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21:16<ttttt>abrotman: what do you mean?, how do i fix it?
21:16<kop>ttttt: Flatscreen or CRT? I've had strange things happen with the flatscreens. They're too smart for their own good.
21:17<ttttt>flatscreen, acer 22 inches
21:17<kop>ttttt: I've had to power cycle the monitor, or go into the settings and tell it to auto-re-configure or some such, when shifting from consoles to gui. I don't do it enough to have figured out anything better.
21:18<ttttt>what bugs me is that X is fine, it is only console what gets out of place
21:18<ttttt>kop: i will have to do that, the funny thing is that the same monitor with another system doesn't do it, so may be is the video card
21:19<kop>ttttt: This is a random guess, maybe there's a kernel parameter that helps?
21:19<abrotman>does it have an auto button ?
21:19<ttttt>in this computer i have ati radeon 9550, in the other is a lenovo with integrated card
21:20<ttttt>ati shifts the output to console
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21:20<ttttt>kop: what parameter should i look for?
21:20<kop>ttttt: Dunno. Look through something like /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
21:21<bighornram>I'm trying to run a bash script and am getting "No such file or directory" error. Why would I be getting this It's trying to create an xml file for dvd menu.
21:21<ttttt>abrotman: yes it does have auto button
21:21<bja>dpkg: tell zas about enter
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21:21<bighornram>this is in my home directory.
21:21<abrotman>oh he was being quiet ...
21:21-!-Pv [~websniper@201-92-156-47.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #debian
21:21<ttttt>abrotman: what do you suggest?
21:21<kop>ttttt: Kernel parameters could be a waste of time, it's just a guess on my part.
21:21<abrotman>bighornram: what's the full error ?
21:22<abrotman>ttttt: hitting the auto button ?
21:22<ttttt>hmm
21:22<ttttt>lets see, i wouldn want to mess X
21:22<bighornram>abrotman: ./mktitle: line 3: dvdauthor: No such file or directory
21:22<ttttt>from X i can simulate console, but from console i cant simulate X
21:23<abrotman>and does 'dvdauthor' exist on your system ?
21:23<kop>bighornram: Something in the script is trying to reference something that does not exist. You could try adding "set -v" to the script to watch what's happening.
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21:24<bighornram>yes, the line in the script is: echo ‘<dvdauthor dest=”dvd”>’ > dvd.xml
21:24<abrotman>and does 'dvdauthor' exist on your system ?
21:24<ttttt>abrotman, kop: auto button did it! shite, i wonder why the lenovo machine worked fine from start.
21:24<bighornram>abrotman: yes, I can type that line from my commandline and it works.
21:25<bighornram>just in the script it won't
21:25<abrotman>bighornram: use the full path to dvdauthor
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21:25<kop>bighornram: Those are strange single and double quotes. Is this an artifact of irc?
21:25<abrotman>oh ..
21:26<abrotman>yeah .. that won't work
21:26<bighornram>kop: maybe not.
21:26<abrotman>are those backticks or single quotes ?
21:26<kop>abrotman: They look to be neither.
21:26<abrotman>that might be his IRC client being goofy ?
21:26<bighornram>will try and type this myself and see.
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21:27<kop>abrotman: Maybe he cut and pasted from someplace strange on the web and it's microsoft quotes or some such.
21:27-!-Spami|Thug [Spami|Thug@AToulouse-152-1-9-1.w82-125.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
21:27<abrotman>MS quotes ?
21:27<bighornram>I think that was it.
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21:28<kop>abrotman: Well, sometimes I see strange things on .asp web pages. Generally they render as question marks, but MS word et-al does odd things to quotes to make them "pretty".
21:28<ajavid>I think those are quotes
21:28<ttttt>looks like acute accent, without vowel under
21:28<ttttt>as in ó
21:29<abrotman>bighornram: can you put the whole script in a pastebin ?
21:30<bighornram>I can but you solved it. it was not a single quote in the script.
21:30<kop>bighornram: Must be a unicode thing. If I run your line through hexdump, the last character is 0x00, which is not right.
21:31<kop>bighornram: I think the double quotes are off too.
21:32<bighornram>http://pastebin.ca/1528861
21:33<bighornram>when I retype the lines with ' and " it works fine.
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21:33<Vrga>hello.
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21:33<kop>I wonder if there's a utility to look for scarey things like those quotes.
21:34<Vrga>i have a particularly nasty question...
21:34<kop>Vrga: !ask
21:34<abrotman>Vrga: just ask away
21:34<Vrga>regarding an ancient pc without any means of connecting with outside data apart from the cd rom.
21:34<abrotman>kop: you could try to convert the file encoding ?
21:34<abrotman>Vrga: they do make ISA network cards
21:34<Vrga>trying to get debian up, 5.02 netinstall x86
21:34<Vrga>laptop, hp omnibook 200ct
21:34<Vrga>lemme finish first, k?
21:34<abrotman>pcmcia ?
21:35<kop>Vrga: pcmcia?
21:35<Vrga>its related to the loadlin part.
21:35<abrotman>jinx you owe me a baby ruth bar
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21:35<abrotman>Vrga: loadlin of the installer ?
21:35<Vrga>the pc doesnt boot from anything except floppy and hd. yes, bios is that dumb.
21:35<Vrga>thats where i'm stuck actually :p
21:35<abrotman>so you want to install from floppies ?
21:36<Vrga>in any case, win98se is on it, so i tried the install from cd via win and go to dos.
21:36<Vrga>which failed.
21:36<abrotman>!goodbye-microsoft.com
21:36<Vrga>pc just rebooted the moment it hit kernel loading.
21:36<abrotman>!goodbye-microsoft
21:36<dpkg>debian.exe is a debian-installer loader for win32. It installs Debian as default; it installs grub for NT on C drive, then downloads the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and creates entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/. Also ask me about <ig> <setup.exe> or see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader
21:36<caution>question: can I force-enumerate something on usb? I want to mount a brokenish drive.
21:36<caution>hal can't enumerate
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21:36<Vrga>look, look, i have the stuff i need to boot on the hd, however, even after reading loadlin docs i'm not sure why it fails.
21:37<ttttt>the other day i found out about Control + Shift + U + code; I wonder how many things like this are undocumented in gnome, neat to type weird characters
21:37<abrotman>ttttt: that's not undocumented
21:37<kop>Vrga: Could you mess with the MS bootloader and use that (somehow?)
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21:37<ttttt>abrotman: where can i find it?
21:37<Vrga>after typing in this line loadlin "linux root=/dev/ram rw initrd=initrd.gz" it starts loading, then ends at "no place after kernel for initrd"
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21:38<Vrga>kop, the dos is open right in front of me. the pc is next to me.
21:38<bighornram>here is where I got portions of the scripting ie: to create the dvd.xml file http://www.smallsoftware.co.uk/2008/09/
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21:39<Vrga>the problem with this pc is it cant boot from anything but HD.
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21:39<Vrga>yes, i'm in safe mode command prompt.
21:39<kop>Vrga: Gosh, I googled the error and everyone who's gotten it speak italian.
21:40<bighornram>thanks for the help, I thought actually is was a configuration problem with my machine :P
21:40<Vrga>google was my first idea too and just the error didnt pop up
21:40<Vrga>at all :p
21:40<Vrga>no hits, just some mish-mashes of words.
21:41<kop>Vrga: How about making a grub boot floppy, and the messing about at the grub command line to get the thing to boot? (Your not putting quotes around the phrase for google.)
21:41<Vrga>from what i gather, i believe that the actual ramdisking doesnt work properly for some reason... doesnt allocate enough space for the initrd.
21:41<Vrga>that'd be ideal.
21:41<kop>Vrga: You must have a nic, right? Will it pxeboot?
21:41<Vrga>however, there's no floppy. :p
21:42<Vrga>yes, a xircom pcmcia realport ethernet 10/100
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21:42<Vrga>however, i have no idea about setting up pxeboots.
21:42<kop>Vrga: The install manual has a whole section. Very easy after having done it once, but the first time is always a pain as you might guess.
21:43<Vrga>also, that error, "no place after kernel for initrd" means from what i gather that either the initrd doesnt get allocated any space or it doesnt get read properly...
21:43<abrotman>Vrga: so the machien has no network at all? or just that hte pcmcia doesn't work in the installer ?
21:43<kop>Vrga: You need a tftp server and a dhcp server.
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21:43<Vrga>i cant get to the installer.
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21:43<Vrga>dhcp is already set up.
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21:44<Vrga>ipcop 1.9.something, added a fixed lease and such.
21:44<kop>Vrga: I used tftpd-hpa
21:44<Vrga>however, my main rig doesnt use lin.
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21:45<abrotman>oh .. it's the totally crappy compaq that has the bios on a floppy isn't it ?
21:45<Vrga>also, i didnt find any images for that lan card in the lappy on gpxe's rom-o-matic
21:45<kop>Vrga: You could use a debian-live cd on another box, but we're starting to look at work. Of course the tftp and dhcp platform does not matter.
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21:45<Vrga>its a HP omnibook 2000 CT from '97-'98.
21:46<abrotman>!laptop
21:46<dpkg>All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <suspend>. See also the debian-laptop mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/
21:46<Vrga>win 98 is up there and i wish to nuke it and put debian up there
21:46<kop>Vrga: No kidding. I think I've got one of those.
21:46<Vrga>heh
21:46<abrotman>Vrga: did you try the goodbye-windows website ?
21:46<Vrga>except i've got no floppy.
21:46-!-chitchat [~guest@203-219-43-185.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #debian
21:46<Vrga>i tried the debian installer from the netinstall cd.
21:46<Vrga>that failed
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21:47<abrotman>goodbye-windows.com
21:47<ryanakca>At one point there was the base-config executable that was run after an install, what happened to it?
21:47<Vrga>the net doesnt work in windows on that lappy.
21:47<abrotman>oh cute ...
21:47<Vrga>borked driver
21:47<Vrga>the only way to get data on at the moment is via cd when it boots to win.
21:48<kop>ryanakca: Went away.
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21:48<ryanakca>kop: Did something come in to replace it?
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21:48<Vrga>i thought of using a parallel cable but i couldnt find any nor does any of my current os-es support parallel cables :p
21:49<Vrga>(vista x64... yeah, shoot me.)
21:49<gsimmons>dpkg: tell ryanakca -about base-config
21:49<Vrga>in any case, does anyone know how to manually set the ramdisk size with loadlin?
21:49<abrotman>Vrga: do you have any other laptops around ?
21:49<Vrga>yeah. acer 5530g.
21:49<abrotman>Vrga: feel like swapping HDDs ?
21:50<Vrga>under warranty, aka "dont open or you're warranty is doomed"...
21:50<kop>ryanakca: Perhaps the best approach is to dpkg-reconfigure the packages you're interested in.
21:50<Vrga>yeah :p
21:50<abrotman>ah ok
21:50<Vrga>its a messed up situation all-round.
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21:50<abrotman>Vrga: does the HP have a BIOS at all? or do you need the floppy ?
21:50<Vrga>it has a bios.
21:50<Vrga>rather basic one, but still a definite bios.
21:50<kop>Vrga: You could ask on a loadlin channel....
21:51<Vrga>*doh*
21:51<Vrga>sorry for taking your time guys, thanks a lot :)
21:51<abrotman>Vrga: did you look for a BIOS update? what options does it have for boot devices?
21:51<Vrga>floppy and hdd.
21:51<kop>I'm a pxeboot fan myself. (BIOS update sounds like a very good idea.)
21:51<abrotman>Vrga: those old compaq laptops are a royal pain
21:52<abrotman>!etch floppies
21:52<dpkg>well, etch floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ -- substitute your arch for "i386".
21:52<Vrga>i dont have a floppy for that laptop. bios update is a no...
21:52<abrotman>you don't have a floppy drive? or a floppy disk?
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21:52<Vrga>drive.
21:52<abrotman>wtf
21:52-!-Texou [~Texou@ax113-3-82-234-25-141.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
21:52<abrotman>so you can't boot floppy either ..
21:52<kop>abrotman: Removable.
21:53<Vrga>its a used pc i got cheaply off of some dude from a local pc user forum.
21:53<abrotman>i know what he means .. but if yo udon't have it .. don't list it as an option ;)
21:53<Vrga>i was surprised that it actually contained a working win install.
21:53<abrotman>bah .. and no interweb
21:54<Vrga>abrotman, if you will read my previous messages, you will see that i have stated that the only viable method of getting stuff on the lappy is via CD and booting only from HD.
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21:54<Vrga>yes, brings me to the good old days when i was 8 years old and dad practically threw me into linux...
21:55<abrotman>and loadlin error is ?
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21:55<Vrga>no place after kernel for initrd
21:55<kop>Vrga: I wonder if there's a way to use endebian?
21:55<Vrga>either wrong file loaded for initrd or incorrect ramdisk size is specified.
21:56<Vrga>endebian?
21:56<kop>!endebian
21:56<Vrga>*scratches head very confusedly*
21:56<kop>Vrga: Humm. Well, it's a version of debian for embedded devices with limited resources.
21:56<Vrga>32 megs of ram, 133 mhz pentium 1 proc.
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21:57<Vrga>netinstall ran fine on another pc with the same amount of ram and a 166 mhz pentium mmx.
21:57<Vrga>granted, that was a full size pc, not a lappy.
21:59<abrotman>Vrga: did you try without the initrd line ?
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21:59<abrotman>kop: emdebian
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21:59<kop>abrotman: *doh*
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21:59<Vrga>reboot.
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22:00<abrotman>i don't want to!
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22:00<Vrga>typed it in, the linux image ran its course and stopped the process, and... reboot. :p
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22:00<abrotman>oh .. cute
22:00<Vrga>the pc is next to me so i'm ready for more crazy ideas if someone has them?
22:01<Vrga>i'm at the point of just throwing it out the window :p
22:02*abrotman would have ripped open the other laptop by now :)
22:02<Vrga>okay, basically, what i need is to get the installer to boot up from the hd, then for the cd to take over completely, since i plan to completely wipe the hd of win stuff...
22:02<Vrga>not an option abrotman, sorry.
22:02<abrotman>it is .. just not one you like :)
22:02<Vrga>if i had a 44-pin to 40-pin ide adapter, i might actually have done that :p
22:03<abrotman>Vrga: what's the full loadlin command you're using ?
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22:03<Vrga>its not the one i'm willing to resort to.
22:03<Vrga>loadlin linux root=/dev/ram rw initrd=initrd.gz
22:04<Vrga>why do i have a feeling that un-gz-ing the initrd will fix this?
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22:04<abrotman>shouldn't it be 'loadlin c:\path\to\kernel initrd=c:\path\to\initrd root=/dev/ram0 rw ?
22:04<Vrga>its all in the same dir.
22:04-!-Texou [~Texou@ax113-3-82-234-25-141.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: ++]
22:04<abrotman>still needs the C:\ AFAIK ?
22:04<Vrga>not from any docs of loadlin i read.
22:04<kop>Vrga: And what about the "ram0"
22:04<abrotman>i haven't used loadlin in .. 10 years?
22:05<Vrga>i'll try now, but i doubt it.
22:05<kop>abrotman: Wow, and you still remember?
22:05<Vrga>i'll try both, gimmie a min to type this in
22:05<abrotman>kop: no .. i'm rereading :)
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22:06<Vrga>nope.
22:06<Vrga>no place after kernel for initrd.
22:07<Vrga>tried both of your suggestions.
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22:07<kop>Vrga: Your other box is MS, or something else?
22:08<Vrga>also, brb, coffee, its 4 am and i'm not letting this bugger go till i set him straight
22:08<Vrga>main pc vista x64, other laptop vista x64, router box ipcop.
22:08<kop>Vrga: There's always cygwin, and "no place after kernel for initrd"
22:08<kop>Vrga: OOps, I mean, and http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en
22:08<abrotman>if he had net on the windows side .. he could install grub4win .. and use that to boot hte iSO
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22:09<Vrga>why'd i need cygwin if i wanted to get rid of win in any case on this old lap?
22:09<Vrga>:p
22:09<kop>abrotman: He could burn a cd.
22:09<kop>Vrga: cygwin so you could follow the unix dhcp and tfpd instructions.
22:10<Vrga>i've got an idea, gimmie a moment
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22:12<abrotman>kop: can't boot a CD ?
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22:12<kop>abrotman: No, but could burn grub4win onto one.
22:13<abrotman>but if he can't boot it ...
22:13<abrotman>oh .. to install it to the system ..
22:13<abrotman>he could try
22:13<kop>abrotman: yah.
22:14<kop>abrotman: I wonder what he wants the laptop for? I hear they make good digital picture frames.
22:14<Vrga>HA!
22:14<abrotman>http://sourceforge.net/projects/grub4dos/
22:14<Vrga>ungzing the initrd seems to have worked
22:14<Vrga>or not.
22:14<Vrga>it rebooted again.
22:14<Vrga>gwahh.
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22:17<Hideo>Vrga: haven't followed the whole thing, but is the bios net boot capable?
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22:17<Vrga>nope
22:18<Vrga>it can only boot from hd.
22:18<abrotman>Hideo: the laptop is 10 years old .. pcmcia NIC, non-bootable CDROM, missing floppy
22:18<abrotman>oh wait ..
22:18<abrotman>use the USB printer!!!
22:18<abrotman>!rube goldberg install
22:18<dpkg>"Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader."
22:18<Hideo>hah
22:19<Vrga>also, for added fun, no usb ports :p
22:19<Vrga>its a cursed thing.
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22:20<Hideo>can't remove the hdd and just install debian on it?
22:20<kop>Vrga: There's also syslinux when it comes to booting. http://syslinux.zytor.com But I haven't paid attention to the details....
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22:21<Vrga>hideo, nope.
22:21<Vrga>actually i was think of doing it this way...
22:21<Vrga>http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html
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22:21<abrotman>install linux from HTML .. awesome!
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22:22<Vrga>however, with that method, i'm not sure if i'll manage to get the netinstall cd to take over afterwards..
22:23<abrotman>i said grub4dos 10 minutes ago!
22:23<Vrga>you said grub4win :p
22:23<Hideo>nah, he did paste a link to grub4dos
22:23<abrotman>above i linked grub4dos ..
22:23<abrotman>you know .. cause win98 is like DOS :)
22:24<Vrga>*facepalm*
22:24<Hideo>pretty much
22:24*Vrga is vevvy vevvy sowwie...
22:26<Vrga>basically, i could just put grub there to point to the files on cd and let it boot from cd then
22:27<kop>Vrga: Yeah.
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22:28<Vrga>how does grub define the cd device?
22:28<Vrga>hdd is defined as this
22:28<Vrga>hd0,0
22:28<Vrga>how is the cd then?
22:28<abrotman>i thought you were going to boot off the HDD ?
22:29<Vrga>eargh.
22:29<Vrga>lemme explain the idea.
22:29*abrotman gets the popcorn
22:29<Texou>:)
22:30<Vrga>the plan is to nuke the hard and take its allmighty 2 gigs for debian only. since i'll be going for a full re-format, no installation files are allowed to be at the hd.
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22:31<Vrga>the plan is:
22:31<Vrga>1. put grub on hd
22:31<Vrga>2. make grub take over from initial boot over to its list
22:31<Vrga>3. make grub point towards the cd device
22:31<Vrga>4. hopefully the netinstall cd takes over from here
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22:31<Vrga>damn... too many lines at once.
22:31<abrotman>or you are the fastest typist in the world
22:32<Vrga>8 lines...
22:32<Vrga>:p
22:32<Vrga>did the message come through?
22:32<kop>Vrga: Just through step 4
22:32<Vrga>5. debian installs
22:32<Vrga>6.???
22:33<Vrga>7. Profit.
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22:33<Vrga>sane idea?
22:33-!-tuxwarrior [~ulises@190.87.74.188] has joined #debian
22:33<Vrga>or stupid idea?
22:33<Vrga>not sure.
22:33<Hideo>s/Profit/Nerd Orgasm/
22:33<kop>Vrga: Well, if you bork the mbr your back to pxe booting, so at least you have a fallback.
22:33*Vrga facepalms
22:33<Vrga>if i manage to get the pcmcia to work.
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22:34<Vrga>found no documentations regarding it and pxe... -.-
22:34<kop>Vrga: It's something that should show up as part of the bios boot process, if you've the card plugged in. Usually they are very chatty.
22:34<Vrga>nope, silent as a stone then.
22:35<abrotman>kop: he'd need a tftpd server .. not sure i've seen one on windows
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22:35<kop>Vrga: There's some sort of hook in the bios that uses ROM in the nic to pxe boot. If your bios is not cooperating, then no pxeboot.
22:35<Vrga>trust me, getting linux on the other pc's isnt a worry. if need be i will raise linux on the main to set up the tftpd serv :p
22:35<Vrga>then definitely no pxeboot.
22:36<kop>Vrga: (Seems to work like those scsi bioses that take over the boot process....)
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22:37<Vrga>if i manage to nuke the mbr, i'll just get a 44-40 pin ide adapter and do it via the main pc.
22:37<kop>Vrga: If something goes bad, you brick the laptop. At least until you can replace the hd, which would solve your problem anyway.
22:37<adb>Vrga: http://howto.gumph.org/content/pxe-boot-a-laptop/
22:38<kop>adb: Yeah, but the box does not seem to support pxeboot.
22:38<Vrga>thats why i'm not touching the bios also. (update related)
22:38<Vrga>adb, thanks for the link, but this is a laptop from '97-'98
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22:40<kop>adb, Vrga : Humm, I see. The site says you can emulate pxeboot in software. (If you have a linux box to compile the dos program.)
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22:49<Hideo>Vrga: http://diddy.boot-land.net/grub4dos/Grub4dos.htm
22:51<Vrga>looking into it at the moment.
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22:51<Tekno>morning
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22:53<adama26>I'm having some problem with my synaptics touchpad driver: The vertical scrolling via right edge does not work. synclient -l shows all the correct settings. If I run "synclient RightEdge=5192" the scrolling works, but only for a short time. 5192 is what the value was to begin with. ??
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22:57<adama26>horizontal scrolling is fine. If I enable 2-finger vertical scrolling it's fine too.
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23:01<adama26>just vertical scrolling works only briefly... anyone know where some logs might be?
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23:01<abraham>/var/log /var/synaptics maybe
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23:03<Vrga>GOT IT
23:04<Vrga>i copied the vmlinuz and initrd from the netinstall cd and started loadlin with that.
23:04<Vrga>got into textmode install
23:05<Vrga>detecting cd-roms...
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23:07<adama26>no /var/synaptics ... grep -ri synaptic /var/log says a bunch of stuff but no errors
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23:10<abraham>run xev and see if its getting detected
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23:13<adama26>xev said a lot ...?
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23:14<Vrga>WE HAVE NETWORKING
23:14<adama26>!congratulate Vrga
23:14<dpkg>Huzzah Vrga, you did it!
23:14<Vrga>net install fully underway.
23:14<Vrga>MWAHAH
23:14<Vrga>about to nuke the hd
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23:15<Vrga>thank god for linux keeping updated drivers for old hardware
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23:24<Vrga>partitioning going oon and ooon and ooooon
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23:24<Vrga>its installing the base system atm
23:24<Vrga>thanks for all the help guys
23:25<Vrga>slooow installls...
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23:28<jtweety10>Just upgraded etch to lenny but ran into a problem with python, specifically pycentral. Log at http://paste.debian.net/44121/. Looks like pycentral is having trouble resolving some package. I found a possible solution (http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=39383&p=231737&hilit=pycentral#p231737), but that seems like a hack. Anybody have advice on how to resolve? Thanks.
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23:29<adb>pycentral is not in lenny
23:29<Buff>Will an old Celeron 566Mhz with 256Mb ram run lenny with gnome?
23:30<adb>Buff: yes
23:30<Buff>adb: coolies
23:30<Tekno>another 256 wouldnt hurt
23:30<Buff>I know it won't be fast
23:30<Buff>but keen to see it's performance
23:31<jtweety10>Error log has pycentral pkginstall but trying to setup python-central (0.6.8)
23:31<ml|>maybe use just a window manager like openbox and you'll have better performance
23:32<Buff>ml|: thanks for the tip
23:32<ml|>np and if you want a de lxde is better also
23:33<adb>Buff: jwm , icewm are more appropriate , or so
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23:45<eightyeight>can anyone suggest a good web interface for managing postfix and dovecot accounts on debian? ispconfig? webmin?
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