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---Logopened Sat Aug 15 00:00:15 2009
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00:00<eightyeight>yeah
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00:01<candelaresi>ok
00:01<candelaresi>i do it
00:01<getback>hi
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00:05<getback>hi
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00:08<SealedWithAKiss>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFqTefxgU2o&hd=1
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00:09<nono>vnc!
00:10<nono>+compiz!!!
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00:15<eightyeight>anyone stupid enough to run vnc over a public wan deserves to get pwned
00:16<nono>lol
00:16<eightyeight>same goes with ftp
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00:41<k1lumin4t1>ok
00:41<k1lumin4t1>now ATI fglrx 9.3 and 9.2 drivers build ok using Debian Squeeze and Linux 2.6.26
00:42<k1lumin4t1>module is also correctlly loaded
00:42<k1lumin4t1>but kdm won't load
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00:55<k1lumin4t1>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=521655
00:55<k1lumin4t1>think I found it. Same description
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00:57<dehqan>good day every body,how can an app be uinstalled with removing it's package in var/cache/archive ?
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00:58<candelaresi>eightyeight
00:58<candelaresi>???
00:59<ml|>dehqan: what do you mean?
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01:01<candelaresi>shoutdawn
01:01<candelaresi>uh
01:01<candelaresi>le erre
01:01<candelaresi>jajaja
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01:02<nexxen>dehqan: apt-get autoclean
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01:04<dehqan>in synaptic there is 2 choice remove anda remove completely what is the diffrenece ?
01:05<ml|>removes complete also removes the config files
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01:05<dehqan>thanks have good life bye
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01:11<k1lumin4t1>done
01:11<k1lumin4t1>and once again.. a non-solved debian bug
01:12<k1lumin4t1>had to downgrade libdrm2
01:12<k1lumin4t1>and pin it
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01:12<ml|>k1lumin4t1: solved your ati issue?
01:12<k1lumin4t1>ml|, yes
01:12<ml|>!congratulate k1lumin4t1
01:12<dpkg>Huzzah k1lumin4t1, you did it!
01:12<k1lumin4t1>ml|, through too much hazzle, though
01:13<ml|>yeah seems like it
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01:13<k1lumin4t1>but that's just because ATI sux
01:13<k1lumin4t1>and some drm issues
01:13<ml|>i think ati is getting better tho
01:13<k1lumin4t1>yes, comparatively it is
01:14<k1lumin4t1>man, some non-solved debian bugs, forgotten, as I have seen
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01:16<ml|>k1lumin4t1: it would help if you reported your issue as bug, mentioning your issues with .30 and your fix would help
01:17<ml|>others and dd
01:17<k1lumin4t1>ml|, my fix worked only in .26
01:17<k1lumin4t1>ml|, in .30 it just plain crashes
01:17<k1lumin4t1>ml|, the kernel fglrx module won't even compile in .30. And that's a known issue
01:17<ml|>oh, well even more reason to use reportbug
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01:18<ml|>or add to an open bug
01:19<k1lumin4t1>well my workaround was found on an open bug thread
01:19<k1lumin4t1>and the libdrm2 issue has also been reported some time ago
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01:19<k1lumin4t1>and the kernel issue, seems as a harsh bug
01:19<xeon-enouf>ml|: no, AMD is getting better
01:19<ml|>yes, but at the bottom ... Ehm cute, realy the same? This has been fixed and I do not know any
01:19<xeon-enouf>ml|: they own ati now
01:19<ml|>person who still has it.
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01:20<ml|>k1lumin4t1: see what i mean
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01:20<ml|>that is from link you pasted
01:20<k1lumin4t1>ml|, sorry, I'm not native speaker. Try to explain a bit
01:20<k1lumin4t1>oh yes
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01:21<ml|>k1lumin4t1: i'm just suggesting do what you want ofcourse
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01:22<ml|>xeon-enouf: well, i didn't know that ;P
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01:23<k1lumin4t1>ml|, no, I mean. If you could explain it a bit for me. I'm just stuck right now
01:23<ml|>k1lumin4t1: what part?
01:25<k1lumin4t1>ml|, your idea
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01:27<drexl>would someone suggest a full system backup utitlity with gui for debian?
01:28<ml|>k1lumin4t1: one sec please
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01:32<k1lumin4t1>drexl, define: full system backup utitlity
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01:32<drexl>well I'm kinda new to debian, I want to backup everything to a hardrive
01:33<drakeman>hey, anyone can help me with my nvidia driver, i installe the new kernel suggested by aptitude 2.6.30.1 and now i dont have x, i tryed to re-run m-a a-i nvidia, but i get errors building the nvidia-kernel-source package
01:33<drexl>the computer works now, but I'm likely to break it
01:33<ml|>!reportbug
01:33<dpkg>well, reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html for some general info about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug
01:33<drakeman>ml|: is for me'
01:33<drakeman>?
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01:35<ml|>k1lumin4t1: use reportbug or add your comments to that bug report you pasted here if the version numbers are the same is what i would
01:35<ml|>drakeman: no
01:35<drakeman>ml|: oh, is ok
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01:35<ml|>drakeman: have you looked thru bts for your issue?
01:35<k1lumin4t1>ml|, gotcha
01:36<drakeman>ml|: not yet
01:36<k1lumin4t1>drakeman, tonight I'll be upgrading my laptop which features a nividia gpu. If you can connect tomorrow maybe I could tell you if it worked for me and kernel 2.6.30
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01:37<ml|>k1lumin4t1: it is helpful to dd and other users that look thru bts, and you include what you did to fix your issue and mention that bug report # if you file a new bug
01:37<k1lumin4t1>ml|, to dd?
01:38<ml|>!dd
01:38<dpkg>rumour has it, dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd
01:38<drakeman>k1lumin4t1: ok, that would be awesome, thanks man!
01:38<drakeman>k1lumin4t1: im stuck right now with this problem
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01:38<k1lumin4t1>drakeman, ok. Just be in tune tomorrow in the morning
01:38<k1lumin4t1>drakeman, it's 00:58 now here
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01:39<k1lumin4t1>drakeman, for the time being just rely to the default nv driver
01:40<pyrohotdog>How do I enable universe and multiverse?
01:40<drakeman>k1lumin4t1: here is 00:52 too :D
01:40<ml|>drakeman: yes was going to suggest that you use nv for the time being, tho you'll need to edit xorg.conf if it mentions nvidia
01:40<ml|>which it should
01:40<drakeman>ml|: yes it says nvidia
01:41<ml|>pyrohotdog: try in #ubuntu on freenode
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01:41<ml|>drakeman: you'll need to edit it then
01:41<drakeman>ml|: ok. let me try
01:41<k1lumin4t1>drakeman, ok tomorrow morning
01:42<ml|>i'll pastebin my xorg.conf for you to see one sec
01:42<k1lumin4t1>drakeman, or should I say today
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01:42<drakeman>k1lumin4t1: you are latin?
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01:42<ml|>k1lumin4t1: thank you for helping debian :)
01:42<k1lumin4t1>ml|, no problem
01:42<drakeman>ml|: my X is back hehe, without the nvidia line
01:43<ml|>drakeman: good, so you commented mvidia out only?
01:43<ml|>i mean chenged it to nv?
01:44<drakeman>ml|: yes
01:44<drakeman>ml|: just i put the #####
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01:44<drakeman>ml|: maybe a good idea is trying withe proprietary nvidia drivers hehe
01:44<ml|>you didn't include nv anyehere?
01:44<drakeman>ml|: ehhh, no, hehe
01:45<ml|>drakeman: well, i've heard horror stories when using nvidia.com driver when and if you want to remove it
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01:46<ml|>but it's your choice, just wait and see if you can fix it first
01:47<ml|>look thru bts and if no bugs related to your issue, file one with reportbug
01:47<ml|>drakeman: ^^^
01:48<k1lumin4t1>ml|, it's not that horror
01:48<drakeman>ml|: well in that case i can wait for the k1lumin4t1 tests
01:48<drakeman>hehe
01:48<k1lumin4t1>sure
01:48<k1lumin4t1>I'm just about to put my laptop up for the night
01:48<k1lumin4t1>drakeman, which debian version you're using?
01:48<ml|>k1lumin4t1: ?
01:48<drakeman>k1lumin4t1: ok, we have the same hour hehe.. debian squeeze
01:49<k1lumin4t1>drakeman, ok which nvidia gpu?
01:49<k1lumin4t1>ml|, it's not that horrorific to work nvidia out
01:49<k1lumin4t1>drakeman, well, I'm going to put my laptop up to the latest squeeze updates
01:49<ml|>k1lumin4t1: sorry don't understand
01:50<k1lumin4t1>drakeman, so it will be running the whole night
01:50<k1lumin4t1>ml|, <ml|> drakeman: well, i've heard horror stories when using nvidia.com driver when and if you want to remove it
01:50<ml|>yes and?
01:51<drakeman>k1lumin4t1: im using NVIDIA 8400GS
01:51<k1lumin4t1>ml|, it's not that horror
01:51<k1lumin4t1>drakeman, onboard?
01:51<drakeman>k1lumin4t1: no, is a pci express card
01:53<k1lumin4t1>drakeman, ok
01:54<ml|>k1lumin4t1: maybe not for you, but some people want to use the debian way when install nvidia drivers and if they had nvidia.com's driver installed before, it was a pain for them to remove then to do it the debian way and even for some people they could not remove then completely
01:54<drakeman>well im going to sleep, a few hours, hehe, ill be back in a few hours :D thanks guys for the help!!!
01:55<drakeman>thanks ml| as always, hehe, and thanks k1lumin4t1 i will wait :D
01:55<ml|>s/when install/after installing/
01:55<ml|>drakeman: gn
01:55<drakeman>:D
01:55<drakeman>ml|: thanks for the mouse trick
01:55<drakeman>hahaa
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01:56<ml|>np, always have gpm installed :)
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01:57<k1lumin4t1>ml|, the debian way is not the way when nvidia is the case ;)
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01:58<ml|>k1lumin4t1: there is a debian way when it comes to nvidia, but some prefer or need to use nvidia.com's driver hehe
02:00<FLE>
02:00<FLE>cool
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02:43<wilburn>giorno a tutti
02:43<sney>!it
02:43<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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03:27<digital>hey any one be able to help me
03:29<digital>just install 5.0.2 i386 netinst on a real old notebook p3 600 256mb ram
03:29<cahoot>!ask
03:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
03:30<digital>its a compaq 80xl201 i want to get a GUI to run firefox and open word
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03:32<digital>but i can not get it on the net i got a dlink airplus wireless dwl-g650+ card in but not on the network
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03:35<digital>anyone be able to help me config so i can get on the net should be alright after that
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04:01<cahoot>digital: lspci -vn might help find out the pciid of the device, that would help as a starting point
04:05<digital>lspci command not found
04:05<digital>lshw command not found
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04:10<EmleyMoor>I just did updates on my testing box and it won't boot - goes into rescue mode due to grub_zalloc not found... any advice?
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04:18<cahoot>digital: not even as root?
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04:21<stxing>irc://zeuu.org
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04:22<digital>na in super usert
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04:24<digital>loged in as root same thing
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04:24<djj>EmleyMoor: using grub2, not grub-legacy, right? i think you have to run grub-install again, don't know though if you can do that on rescue mode
04:24<EmleyMoor>djj: I can't do a thing in rescue mode
04:24<EmleyMoor>(not even its offer of "help")
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04:26<EmleyMoor>Is there a "state of the packages" file or something I could read from the disk and put with a fresh install on another machine?
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04:27<djj>:-/ have you got a usb key or livecd to boot from? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Grub2Testing and "if you messed up" part..
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04:28<EmleyMoor>Will try that - though it is the hardware that messes up on this one
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04:32<EmleyMoor>I am very tempted to press an old Dell machine I have lying around into service as a replacement...
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04:39<kali>load -e irc
04:40<djj>EmleyMoor: don?t do that, surely it isn?t fubar :-)
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04:53<EmleyMoor>djj: fubaea, yes, but not fubar
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05:21<mrnice>hi, does someone know how what xorg driver i need for debian unstable and acer aspire one
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05:26<asiye>irc.klavye.net
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05:33<cahoot>mrnice: they probably know on #debian-eeepc
05:34<mrnice>cahoot, many thx for the irc channel
05:34<cahoot>mrnice: err - slip of the mind -
05:35<cahoot>mrnice: my AA one uses xorg-video-intel
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05:40<mrnice>cahoot, than u are lucky, mine got an Poulsbo GMA 500, unsupported in debian, works in ubuntu, not in debian
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06:01<dinamic>debian-live
06:01<dinamic>ops
06:02<guybrush->hi guys, good morning, I'm stuck in setting up exim to deal with 2 domains. appart from the local host. is there a good lecture or someone who can give some gidelines? I cant get aclear idea of what I have to do.
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06:06<bhaskar>hi
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06:18<dehqan>good day every body ,how can this error be fixed ?
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06:18<dehqan>debian:/usr/app/fingerprint-0.9# ./install.sh --with-upek
06:18<dehqan>./bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so: /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.8' not found (required by ./bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so)
06:18<dehqan>glibc 2.7 is isntalled
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06:32<kevix>a general questions. I click on a pdf file in firefox. firefox asks to open the file with okular. when the download is done, okular is unable to open the file. But if I open the file in /tmp, it opens. I think my /tmp is set to the wrong permissions. Any ideas?
06:33<azeem_>kevix: what does "ls -l | grep tmp" say?
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06:36<kevix>azeem_: I am confused. why would I do 'ls' on my current directory? and not /tmp ?
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06:46<azeem_>kevix: I meant ls -l /, sorry
06:46<azeem_>7w 17
06:46<azeem_>oops
06:49<kevix>azeem_: drwsrwsrwt 35 root root 45056 2009-08-15 06:24 tmp
06:49<azeem_>that is fine
06:49<kevix>azeem_: ok. well that is one less thing to consider.
06:50<azeem_>eh wait
06:50<azeem_>the +s aren't fine
06:50<kevix>ok.
06:51<kevix>so its not 7777
06:51<themill>1777
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07:04<dehqan>good day every body ,how can this error be fixed ?
07:04<dehqan>./bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so: /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.8' not found (required by ./bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so)
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07:06<dehqan>libpam_fingerprint.so is pertain to which package ?
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07:07<themill>haven't we been through this twice per day for the last week?
07:08<azeem_>dehqan: /msg dpkg search
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07:14<dehqan>azeem_ search did not show anything usful
07:16<azeem_>dehqan: if you search correctly, not showing anything is certainly useful
07:16<azeem_>as it shows that the above file "libpam_fingerprint.so" is not in debian
07:16<azeem_>well, would show, I have not verified it
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07:17<themill>the paths there indicate a locally compiled thing
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07:17<dehqan>what do u mean that is not in debian ?
07:17<dehqan>debian:/usr/app/fingerprint-0.9# ./install.sh --with-upek
07:17<dehqan>./bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so: /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.8' not found (required by ./bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so)
07:17<kevix>it seems to be some fingerprint authentication software
07:17<azeem_>dehqan: that this file would not be part of a debian package distributed by the Debian project
07:18<dehqan>yes kevix
07:18<azeem_>dehqan: so what is your qeustion?
07:18<azeem_>is it really "libpam_fingerprint.so is pertain to which package"?
07:18<dehqan>yes
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07:18<azeem_>dehqan: the above output implies that bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so is in your home directory
07:18<themill>dehqan: you're still trying to install things that weren't compiled for debian onto your debian system. You were told yesterday and they day before this won't work and I'll tell you again today that it won't work.
07:19<azeem_>well, rather /usr/app
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07:20<kevix>I'm guessing the software was packaged as a Deb file but for Ubuntu. which means it may or may not work for Debian. In this case, not work.
07:20<kevix>so you'd be better off using a tarball and compiling it.
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07:20<dehqan>see software is fingerprintGUI taht depends on libfprint0 ...
07:21<dehqan>before libfprint0 was installed from rep with .deb format
07:21<dehqan>but now it is removed
07:21<dehqan>so here is a try to install it from source
07:21<kevix>http://wiki.debian.org/FingerForce
07:22<dehqan>while installing libfprint0 from source that error is shown
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07:22<dehqan>sorry the last sent is wrong
07:23<kevix>http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/fingerforce-devel
07:23<dehqan>while installing that fingerprintgui software from source that error is shown
07:23<dehqan>this error
07:23<dehqan>./bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so: /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.8' not found (required by ./bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so)
07:24<dehqan>so how waslibpam_fingerprint.so installed ?
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07:26<kevix>the file /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 seems to be in libc6-i686
07:26<xanonus>dehqan: for building the software don't use ./install.sh but use './configure.sh' and then 'make' (you have to install the qt build devs)
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07:27<xanonus>dehqan: the prebuilted binarys seems not usable with debian.
07:27<dehqan>xanonus what is qt dev package?
07:29<xanonus>dehqan: try qt4-dev-tools and qt3-dev-tools
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07:30<dehqan>xanonus here connection is dial up and oen of them is 30 MG is not there any other idea ?
07:30<rubee>hi would some mind helping me? i just need to know if i need all 5 DVDs to get debian up and running or would it be enough to just download DVD1?
07:31<xanonus>dehqan: no
07:31<kevix>rubee: the cd and dvds are composed of software from the most used (on disk 1) to the least used (disk 5).
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07:32<rubee>oh... so none of them is the actual OS?
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07:33<kevix>rubee: the 'OS' is the basic files to run like Bash and the kernel and Gnu tools. after that, you just have 'software'
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07:33<darkeagle>Is it possible to create live image with 32bit and 64bit live environments and installers?
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07:33<dehqan>SO where is libpam_fingerprint.so from
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07:34<rudi_s>rubee: If you have a good internet connection I would recommend the netinstall CD (which contains a minimal install) and then download the rest you need.
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07:34<danger_>Hello guys, quick question for you. I'm connecting to a windows share where abouts are these mounted in "terminal land"
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07:34<danger_>can't see anything in /mnt or such
07:34<rubee>kevix: then what should i download? sry if this questions is answered on the webpage, but i've been away from computers for some time and had troubles figuring out if i needed the x86 or others :)
07:34<rubee>rudi_s: the problem is i can't burn CDs, only DVDs
07:35<dehqan>xanonus SO where is libpam_fingerprint.so from
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07:35<dehqan>any opinion ?
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07:35<kevix>rubee: the first dvd should provide the basic system and an GUI.
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07:36<kevix>http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/
07:36<dehqan>azeem_ where is libpam_fingerprint.so from
07:36<rubee>kevix: ok thank you very much for clearing that up
07:37<kevix>rubee: before DVD's, most folks used the first 2 CDs to install a system.
07:37<rubee>kevix: yes, but i can't burn CDs, only DVDs. My burner those not support CDs :(
07:38<kevix>darkeagle: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ this has the 'multi-arcb' install images (32/64 bit)
07:38<dehqan>which package installs libpam_fingerprint.so ?
07:40<kevix>darkeagle: debian live cd: http://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD
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07:40<dehqan>bye 4 now
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07:47<xanonus>dehqan: libpam_fingerprint is built from src/fingerprintPAM.cpp . The building process is complicated and a lot of additional packages are needed.
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08:03<xanonus>dehqan: you need propritary libaries which are not avaliable for everyone. Simpliy forget using/building fingerprintpam with debian. Perhaps there is a way for the pam-think - but its very, very complicated.
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08:03<xanonus>s/think/thing
08:03<azeem_>xanonus: he is gone
08:04<xanonus>ok
08:04<xanonus>but now the people on this channel know how to handle with dehqan
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08:06<darkeagle>kevix: thanks for that note. Any idea howto build own? Would like to have 1GB usb stick with both installers and some admin tools .
08:07<darkeagle>and xcfe live environments as 32 and 64 bits
08:07<darkeagle>Or is there better documentation about lh_build and lh_Binary than "FIXME" on web?
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08:18<i77eR>hi have some one seen this problem before: after grub it says boting kernel then i get: not responding this is new install and new disc test both sata and ide eny ides?
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08:24<screenn>dbus outputs this warning: http://paste.debian.net/44276 after login to gnome
08:24<screenn>seems it's a distr failure
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08:29<abrotman>a what?
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08:33<abrotman>screenn: yeah ... it doesn't seem to affect much for me .. see the BTS
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08:38<valdyn>screenn: restart the system
08:38<valdyn>screenn: or dbus and hal
08:38<abrotman>it's not that ..
08:39<abrotman>from what i can tell anyways
08:39<valdyn>abrotman: and kill all your processes
08:39<valdyn>ops
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08:39<valdyn>screenn: and before that kill all your processes
08:39<valdyn>screenn: some stay alive after you logged out
08:39<valdyn>abrotman: can be various things
08:39<abrotman>valdyn: this laptop has been restarted tons of times since it started happening ... still happening
08:39<shy3000>is here help for newbie user debian
08:39<abrotman>(it didn't affect my settings, so i didn't care enough to look into it, figured it would go away eventually)
08:39<valdyn>abrotman: sure, its not a specific error message
08:40<shy3000>when I instaled debian I can;t remenber my password
08:40<valdyn>!ifrp
08:40<dpkg>1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
08:40<valdyn>shy3000: ^^
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08:41<miguel>i am on xfce4, how can i start x before the users logs in, and provide a gui for login
08:41<valdyn>miguel: aptitude install gdm
08:41<shy3000>thanks
08:43<miguel>and gdm will work with my xfce4?
08:43<valdyn>miguel: sure
08:44<valdyn>miguel: in fact its totally irrelevant that or if you run xfce4
08:44<miguel>ook. coz it will be started afterwards i guess
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08:45<shy3000>I can't use gdn because I can't use the genome
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08:45<valdyn>umm?
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08:46<shy3000>I instal debian from goodbaymicrosoft
08:46<valdyn>shy3000: irrelevant
08:47<kevix>installing a gnome window manger does not mean that you have to install gnome
08:47<valdyn>gdm is not a window manager
08:47<screenn>valdyn what you mean, is it possible to disable this ugly dbus message in gnome?
08:47<kevix>valdyn: yeah. opps. a display mananger
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08:48<miguel>gdm works fine, thankx
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08:49<miguel>is there a way to autologin one user by default at startup?
08:49<acu>ye
08:49<acu>s
08:50<kevix>in the gdm config files there is an autologin option
08:50<kevix>you can specify the user and the time to wait before logining in
08:50<babbage>Hi, would somebody be able to review a book review I just wrote on the O'Reilly book "Version control with Git"?
08:51<babbage>Only ~500 words.
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08:52<kevix>not that I can do the review, but do you want a spelling review, a grammar review or a review of the contents for 'making sense'?
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08:52<bremner>Try #git on freenode
08:52<babbage>kevix, no. Just "is the review useful to the reader".
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08:53<kevix>babbage: I think bremner has a good idea,
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08:53<babbage>bremner, I don't want to get it reviewed there really since git experts are not really the intended audience for either the book or the review of the book.
08:54<babbage>... by which I really mean that a review by those folks won't tell me what I need to know.
08:54<MisterHyde>hi
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08:54<MisterHyde>people, need a tool for recovery data erased on ntfs partition
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09:10<drakeman>k1lumin4t1, xD
09:11<k1lumin4t1>drakeman, give me some more 30 minutes or so. The thing went down in the wee hours of the morning and it's up again
09:11<drakeman>k1lumin4t1, dont worry, im in my work right now, xD not at home
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09:35<mitch000001>!es
09:35<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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09:43<ComradeHaz>hmm, eightyeight are you about?
09:43<Fanci>where is O_0?
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09:44<acu>I want to create a backport (I want to install EKIGA 3.2 from Squeeze but maintain the Lenny intact) - can anyone tell me how to do it
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09:46<ComradeHaz>well, eightyeight, just though I'd mention to you a very obvious way of 'migrating' my RAID to new drives occurred to me. Stick the new two in, mark them as spares on the existing RAID, then mark as failed and remove from the RAID the old drives. Then grow the RAID etc, etc :) Easy and neat!
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09:51<ituxicity>hello
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09:52<Myth-Juha>hello. It seems like somehow i messed up my debian installation, and apt-get won't run anymore
09:52<Myth-Juha>whenever i try to do some apt-get command, i get the following error:
09:52<Myth-Juha>E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
09:53<Myth-Juha>dpkg --configure -a fails too however
09:53<dpkg>Myth-Juha: I give up, what is it?
09:53<Myth-Juha>when the --configure command, i get this error: gzip: stdout: No space left on device
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09:53<cahoot>No space left on device - tried df -h?
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09:54<Myth-Juha>i got 45GB free on my harddrive
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09:54<Myth-Juha>when i run the --configure program
09:54<Myth-Juha>it tries to install Setting up initramfs-tools (0.92o) ...
09:54<Myth-Juha>which unless i interpetted wrong, has to go into the memory somewhere?
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09:55<Myth-Juha>so i might have not enough memory available
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09:55<Myth-Juha>tmpfs 507M 0 507M 0% /lib/init/rw
09:55<Myth-Juha>udev 10M 64K 10M 1% /dev
09:55<Myth-Juha>tmpfs 507M 0 507M 0% /dev/shm
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09:55<Myth-Juha>dev/sda5 145G 87G 51G 64% /
09:55<Myth-Juha>dev/sda1 38M 38M 0 100% /boot
09:56<abrotman>/boot is full
09:56<Myth-Juha>how do i clean it?
09:56<mitch000001>your boot-partition is full, so no new initram could be generated
09:56<valdyn>38MB is seriously to small
09:57<cahoot>hopefully not ext3
09:57<Myth-Juha>how do i check?
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09:57<cahoot>mount
09:57<interbird>Hi all, just installed squeeze. No sound. Intel 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller. aplay a wav is silent. All seems file, devices are present. Anyone ?
09:58<interbird>s/file/fine
09:58<Myth-Juha>ext3 :(
09:58<valdyn>interbird: turn up the volume
09:58<interbird>valdyn: volume is turned on
09:58<cahoot>interbird: or run invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0
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09:58<cahoot>(if it's card0)
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09:59<ComradeHaz>Hey all, just created a new lvm partition and about to format it, wondering about reserved blocks. Can anyone advise what the deal with these is, perhaps with specific reference to http://www.walkernews.net/2007/07/02/how-to-create-linux-lvm-in-3-minutes/
09:59<Myth-Juha>so how bad is the fact it is ext3, and will this cause a problem for emptying or enlarging boot?
09:59<cahoot>just waste of space
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09:59<interbird>!beer cahoot
09:59*dpkg deftly decants a fine Delirium Tremens for cahoot
10:00<Myth-Juha>if i just reboot my server, will boot be emptied?
10:00<cahoot>the journal occupies a big chunk
10:00<valdyn>ComradeHaz: ext3 can reserve blocks to be usuable by root only
10:00<interbird>cahoot: Thanks ! That did it ! Why is this needed ? I rebooted several times...
10:00<ituxicity>i am running lenny + openbox, after like 15 minutes my screen turns black (some kind of screensaver). How do I change the timer value?
10:00<ComradeHaz>uh-hu? Go on... Is it worth giving it 1% then?
10:00<valdyn>ComradeHaz: how would we know?
10:00<valdyn>ComradeHaz: its your decision
10:01<valdyn>ComradeHaz: up to 5% might be a good idea
10:01<valdyn>ComradeHaz: or up to whatever makes the largest file size
10:01<ComradeHaz>hmm, presumably it essentially priorities house keeping tasks on the disk such as defrag
10:01<valdyn>ComradeHaz: umm?
10:01<valdyn>ComradeHaz: no
10:02<Myth-Juha>If i reboot, will the problem be solved? And if i get this dpkm --configure -a error, doesn't it mean some installation failed. So will rebooting not be risky?
10:02<ComradeHaz>hmm
10:02<Myth-Juha>it's a dedicated server i have no physical access too
10:02<ComradeHaz>ok, valdyn, I'll think about it :)
10:02<ComradeHaz>thanks
10:02<abrotman>Myth-Juha: dpkg -l linux-image* .. how many kernels are instlaled ?
10:03<Myth-Juha>4
10:03<Myth-Juha>thinking back about it, i think the problem started with some kernell not wanting to update
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10:03<Myth-Juha>ii linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.26+17+lenny1 Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
10:03<Myth-Juha>ii linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 2.6.18.dfsg.1-17 Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
10:03<Myth-Juha>ii linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 2.6.26-13lenny2 Linux 2.6.26 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
10:03<Myth-Juha>ii linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 2.6.26-17lenny1 Linux 2.6.26 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
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10:03<valdyn>Myth-Juha: thats not 4 kernels
10:03<Myth-Juha>oh
10:04<valdyn>Myth-Juha: its 3, you should try not to have more than 2
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10:04<Myth-Juha>i'm ok with having just 1 if thats enough
10:04<abrotman>Myth-Juha: you can uninstall the .18-5- and the .26-1-
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10:04<Myth-Juha>let me guess, using apt-get remove?
10:05<abrotman>!why aptitude
10:05<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
10:05<Myth-Juha>yh, problem is my apt-get isn't working atm
10:05<Myth-Juha>because my boot partition is full
10:05<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: that works
10:05<abrotman>Myth-Juha: dpkg -P linux-image-2.6.18-5-686
10:06<abrotman> ?
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10:06*interbird Thanks cahoot for his swift reply.
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10:06<Myth-Juha>You are running a kernel (version 2.6.18-5-686) and attempting to remove the same version.
10:07<Myth-Juha>sure i should continue? or is something wrong?
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10:08<Myth-Juha>This is a potentially disastrous â
10:08<Myth-Juha> â action.
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10:09<ComradeHaz>aye, eightyeight, it's worked a treat
10:09<ComradeHaz>not rebooted yet though :D
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10:09<mitch000001>Myth-Juha: Maybe you should remove another kernel (which is not currently used from you)
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10:10<Myth-Juha>so i'm guessing if i use that one, i won't be using any of the others?
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10:11<mitch000001>to use one of te other you have to reboot, but you should first solve the problem
10:12<user01>mmm how do i enter wireless settings in network interfaces if there is no network key?
10:12<Myth-Juha>so i should first have to enlarge my boot partition, or empty it somehow?
10:12<user01>the essid is Our Customers
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10:12<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: hah. that will be the real test
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10:13<eightyeight>ComradeHaz: at least now you've learned a bit about mdadm. :)
10:13<user01>and they have an unencrypted network for guests
10:13<user01>but i entered wireless-essid Our Customers ifdown eth1 ifup eth1
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10:13<cahoot>user01: not using gnome or such?
10:13<user01>but it isnt connecting
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10:14<Myth-Juha>i really need a step by step guidance here. I'm a Linux noob. I manage to run websites, ftp's and vent servers. which is just configuring applications. Don't know anything about configuring the OS itself
10:14<user01>cahoot, well yes i use gnome, but it isnt connection with ifup eth1
10:14<user01>im just editing the network interfaces in etc
10:14<cahoot>user01: if not opposed to GUI tools I'd suggest wicd
10:15<mitch000001>maybe just run dpkg -P linux-image-2.6.26-1-686
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10:15<user01>well, im curious as to how to configure for a wireless sans wep
10:15<user01>manually
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10:15<cahoot>ok
10:16<user01>hopefully wicd is installed
10:16<deximat>anyone owns web server?
10:17<Myth-Juha>mitch000001: Thanks, i was able to remove that kernel, and repeated the --configure -a command
10:17<Myth-Juha>it worked now
10:17<mitch000001>congrats :D
10:17<user01>cahoot, my network configuration broke in gnome with some upgrade in lenny so ive just been doing it all command line because i know what it is happening and that things are actually changing
10:17<mitch000001>you just mastered your first dpkg-challenge
10:18<Myth-Juha>let's hope i won't get any more :p
10:18<user01>cahoot, the network manager just stopped working and even when i change it it doesnt change the network interfaces
10:18<user01>conf file
10:18<mitch000001>try to uninstall old kernels if they aren't used anymore, this will help
10:19<user01>so i just do it manually now
10:19<deximat>anyone owns web server?
10:19<Myth-Juha>well, until 5 minutes ago i didn't even know i had multiple kernels
10:19<abrotman>lots of people
10:19<Myth-Juha>i though it just upgraded 1
10:19<Ganneff>nobody owns a websewrver, they all manage themself
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10:20<bremner>skynet!
10:20<user01>skynet is cool it does everything for me
10:20<user01>except this network interfaces thing
10:20<deximat>not home made server, I want to get in deal with someone for small space on some webserver... I have bad internet link here so I cant rise mine
10:20<Ganneff>deximat: use google, there are many companies.
10:20<Ganneff>deximat: it is not ontopic here
10:21<user01>what about solid debian linux based companies?
10:21<user01>:)
10:21<eightyeight>deximat: pm me. i might be able to help
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10:21<abrotman>!hosting
10:21<dpkg>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting
10:21<deximat>tnx
10:21<user01>i wanted to apply for a junior unix admin position, but they use centos :((
10:22<user01>thats rpm based i think, and i dont want to use an operating system where the president disappears and everything grinds to a halt
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10:25<eightyeight>user01: it hasn't grinded to a halt
10:26<eightyeight>it's back up and running
10:26<bremner>user01: thinking of apple? :)
10:26<abrotman>and not on-topic here
10:26<user01>hehe now it is :)
10:26<cahoot>user01: perhaps this suits your needs better: http://laic.u-clermont1.fr/~mr/linux/configreseau_en.html
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10:28<user01>well back to my on topic, what would a /etc/network/interfaces look like for a wireless-essid of Our Customers and wireless-key . . . none?
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10:28<user01>i tried it as simply wireless-essid Our Customers and nothing didnt work
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10:29<eightyeight>user01: you probably need to quote 'Our Customers'
10:29<eightyeight>due to the space
10:29<user01>and then wireless-ssid Our Customers
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10:29<user01>eightyeight, yes i was wondering about the space . . .
10:30<user01>let me try that and ill reconnect on this if doesnt work thanks :)
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10:33<smktb>tesafd
10:33<smktb>testing
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10:33<smktb1>.,n
10:33<smktb1>kh
10:34<mitch000001>!ctell Myth-Juha grub
10:34<smktb>dahmaka
10:34<smktb>asdf
10:34<smktb>asdf
10:34<smktb>asdf
10:34<smktb>asdf
10:34<smktb>hello
10:34<smktb1>what are you doing
10:34<abrotman>are you done ?
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10:35<smktb>hemzzz
10:35<smktb>i dont know
10:35<smktb>wait,
10:35<smktb>my name is shezars
10:35<smktb>from Indonesia
10:35<abrotman>do you have a Debian question ?
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10:36<smktb>y,
10:36<kevix>I think he/she is testing irc
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10:36<Myth-Juha>after updating your kernel, will the system automatically make use of the new one? Or do i need to switch manually?
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10:37<abraham>Myth-Juha, if its newer its automatic
10:37<smktb>i install knoppix, from another pc and then if i try to my pc(built up), can't to log into GUI
10:37<Myth-Juha>ok, thank your abraham
10:37<eightyeight>Myth-Juha: you need to reboot into the new kernel to take advantage of it
10:37<abraham>n/p
10:37<Myth-Juha>eightyeight, just reboot? or do i need to change something in the grub menu.lst?
10:37<eightyeight>yup. just reboot
10:38<Myth-Juha>kk, thanks
10:38<Myth-Juha>i guess thats why my server hadn't switched to the new kernel before than
10:38<Myth-Juha>i hadn't rebooted yet
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10:38<kevix>smktb: did you install X and a GUI and a DM?
10:38<user01>eh it works without the quotation marks
10:39<eightyeight>user01: so, what was the problem?
10:39<abraham>smktb, run X --configure as root
10:39<user01>not sure, i think it didnt do a complete ifdown eth1
10:40<smktb>y, and if i try, show the message, Fatal Server Error, server is already active , bla,bla,bla
10:40<guybrush->hi guys, good morning, I'm stuck in setting up exim to deal with 2 domains. appart from the local host. is there a good lecture or someone who can give some gidelines? I cant get aclear idea of what I have to do.
10:40<user01>eightyeight, and the blank wireless-key could have been it
10:40<abraham>smktb, run /etc/init.d/gdm stop then run X --configure
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10:41<user01>and then because it wasnt a complete ifdown eth1 it kept that
10:41<user01>but it works now, thanks everyone!
10:41<user01>now i can play online card games until my car is repaire
10:41<user01>d
10:41<user01>and frozen bubble 2
10:41<user01>and armagetron
10:41<user01>and koules
10:41<abraham>warsow
10:42<user01>well i could have played koules without the network
10:42<user01>hmm they should have a network koules if they havent already
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10:43<smktb>noo,,, same
10:43<smktb>failed,
10:44<abraham>smktb, whats the error
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10:45<user01>someone suggested wicd to install but i dont see it in the lenny repository
10:46<user01>mmmm backports . . .
10:46-!-alephnull [~alok@122.172.21.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:46<user01>are backports stable?
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10:47<themill>user01: fsvo stable. They're not debian stable and they can be a moving target. Use with care and they usually OK though.
10:47<eightyeight>user01: many seem to think so
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10:50<user01>is there a quick wiki on getting the sources and keyring etc for backports?
10:50<sney>!bpo
10:50<dpkg>backports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
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10:51<user01>thanks sney!
10:51<abraham>echo "deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list
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10:52<user01>abraham, cool script abraham
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10:52<abraham>it should work
10:53<themill>no!
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10:53<user01>ooo no it didnt
10:53<user01>it erased the entire file
10:53<themill>abraham, user01: don't do that. It would need to be >> not >
10:54<abraham>im sorry, was just copying and pasting
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10:54<abraham>why does it have to have two >>
10:54<user01>hmmm let me see if i have a sources.list backup
10:54<kevix>basic file redirection. append vs overwrite
10:54<abraham>oh
10:54<abraham>my bad
10:54<user01>yeah it is overwrite instead of append
10:54<themill>abraham: "man bash" and look at the section on redirection
10:54<abraham>user01 ill send you a new sources.list
10:55<user01>thanks :)
10:55<kevix>should there be a sources.list.bak or similar?
10:55<user01>eh dont see one, i should have done that though
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10:56<themill>only if your editor created one previously
10:56<abraham>ok that one has multimedia security normal and backports
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10:58<user01>what is debian volatile?
10:58<abraham>security updates
10:59<user01>ah ok
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10:59<kevix>but for packages that change very rapidly like virus defintions
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10:59<cahoot>like a/H1N1
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11:00<kevix>cahoot: persish the thought!
11:00<miguel>how can i check how the hd0...hdn relate to my /dev/ files
11:00<miguel>?
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11:00<abraham>miguel, /dev/hd0 /dev/hdn etc
11:01<miguel>hmmm
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11:01<miguel>but i have also sda sdb
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11:01<abraham>/dev/sda /dev/sdb
11:01<themill>abraham: volatile is *not* security updates. /msg dpkg volatile
11:01<cahoot>miguel: possiblt /boot/grub/device.map
11:02<user01>Failed to fetch http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/lenny-backports/lenny-backports/binary-i386/Packages
11:02<miguel>yaaaa cahoot , thats what i needed, thx
11:03<user01>hmmm two lenny-backports there
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11:03<abraham>user01, aptitude install debian-backports-keyring
11:03<abraham>oh
11:03<abraham>i know
11:03<user01>no sure why
11:03<kevix>miguel: I find ls -l /dev/disk/by-path/pci-0000\:0*
11:04<wuseldusel>hi! when i use "sudo kate" and try to open a document (click open, or with a document as argument) there a xmessage pops up saying "Could not start ksmserver. Check your installation.". when i close that popup (clicking ok or [x]) the x-server restarts. [i'm using testing/amd64]
11:04<kevix>miguel: I find ls -l /dev/disk/by-path/*
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11:04<miguel>thx too
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11:05<user01>abraham, ok now Failed to fetch http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/lenny-backports/Release Unable to find expected entry non-freedeb/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
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11:06<abraham>user01, what did you do to the file that i sent you?
11:07<abraham>make it how it was then run aptitude install debian-backports-keyring
11:07<user01>ah i see
11:08<user01>it merged the two lines together from your > thing hehe
11:08<abraham>and run aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring as well
11:08<user01>should be good now let me try again
11:08<miguel>after changin grup.1st i only need to run update-grub, right?
11:08<miguel>or is tehre anyhing else i have to do before rebooting?
11:08<user01>now its nice and clean :D
11:08<abraham>cool
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11:14<user01>those are the MAC ids in the wicd manager?
11:14<user01>yea! new linux kernel to install :D
11:14<user01>hmmm
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11:15<user01>wait . . . is this a linux kernel backport?
11:16<user01>2.6.26.2?
11:16<abraham>what version user01
11:16<abraham>no
11:16<user01>it says NOT AUTHENTICATED
11:16<abraham>it shouldnt update to backports unless you tell it to
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11:16<abraham>user01, you dont have the keyring fil then
11:17<user01>abraham, which keyring?
11:17<abraham>debian-archive-keyring
11:17<abraham>debian-keyring
11:17<themill>That's probably a new kernel package for DSA-1862
11:17<user01>how many keyrings are there?
11:17<abraham>14
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11:18<abraham>do aptitude search keyring
11:18<user01>is there a list so i can just install them all and get it overwith? :)
11:19<abraham>do aptitude search keyring
11:19<user01>some of those are manuals
11:19<themill>debian-archive-keyring is the only one you should need on a standard install.
11:20<themill>debian-backports-keyring and/or debian-multimedia-keyring if you are using backports.org and debian-multimedia.org respectively.
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11:21<Squelos>hi
11:22<fgh>hi
11:22<Squelos>whats up people ?
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11:22<fgh>nothing much.. some saturdaychill
11:22<fgh>what about you Squelos ?
11:23<Squelos>well, i reinstalled debian lenny last night, because i had to, and i tried kde instead of gnome.
11:23<fgh>oh.. :/
11:23<Squelos>but my x server doesnt seem to appreciate it although i followed the same procedure
11:23<Squelos>witht the vesa drivers no problem
11:23<abraham>whats the problem Squelos
11:24<Squelos>but with the fglrx drivers it wont boot.
11:24<Squelos>i dont know, ill have a look at the logs now
11:25<kevix>why would changing GUIs affect your X stuff?
11:25<abraham>it wouldnt
11:27<abraham>pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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11:28<Squelos>ok
11:28<Squelos>what IRC client should i download on kde ?
11:28<abraham>kvirc is cool
11:28<Squelos>will xchat do the trick ?
11:28<Squelos>kvirc ok
11:28<abraham>xchat is what i use
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11:29<bremner>I used to use konversation when I used kde
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11:30<kevix>I love finch. the console version of pidgin.
11:31<vvas>!ask
11:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:31<vvas>whoops
11:31<vvas>wrong window
11:32<EagleScreen>Squelos: konversation and quassel are also good for KDE
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11:32<deniz>does anyone know how to use photorec to recover files?
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11:32<kevix>you need to run the comment on the media that you want to store the recovered files.
11:32<kevix>you need to run the command on the media that you want to store the recovered files.
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11:33<|Squelos|>here i am
11:33<|Squelos|>so what do you want me to paste abraham ?
11:33<deniz>i want to recover data from a 160gb hdd into a 80gb hdd but i dont have 160gb worth of data
11:33<kevix>you just tell it where the deleted files are, and it finds them and store them on the good partition
11:34<deniz>photorec /media/disk /media/disk-1 ?
11:34<kevix>deniz: well, lets hope that you dont have more than 80gb of media files :)
11:34<deniz>kevix, lol no just pics and certain jpegs are math notes etc as well as .xoj files
11:34<deniz>and pdfs
11:35<kevix>it doesnt recover text files, only jpgs, and other media files
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11:35<user01>grrr stupid car
11:35<user01>oh well more time for debian
11:35<kevix>oh. you might not be able to get what you need, as I dont recall .xoj as a file that photorec recovers.
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11:36<|Squelos|>abraham, my log file is empty O.o
11:36<deniz>kevix, what about pdfs?
11:36<deniz>well i dint have any notes (yet) in .xoj thankfully
11:37<deniz>pdfs are considered text files?
11:37<kevix>http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/File_Formats_Recovered_By_PhotoRec
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11:38<kevix>deniz: it seems pdf are found
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11:39<kevix>deniz: since it is open source, the nice folks have been able to expand its usefulness :)
11:39<deniz>kevix, ya so all xept xournal but ill set up backintime to backup data once a week automatically to a flash drive if i dont do it manually but sudo photorec /media/disk /media/disk-1 gives me an error
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11:40<deniz>kevix, so i could request that they make it be able to recover .xoj files in the future?
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11:40<kevix>deniz: well in the free software world, you ask them or you do it or pay someone to do it.
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11:42<abraham>Squelos, you here?
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11:43<deniz>in 2 years ill have learned how to make GUIs etc so ill probly try to help in all "weak" linux areas like this to make like a gui recovery tool but thats pretty far from now but ill the error i got is: http://pastebin.com/m1626a5a
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11:43<kevix>deniz: I recall you only need one parameter, the bad media. it uses the current partition to save the files
11:44<deniz>kevix, im on a live cd though
11:44<|Squelos|>yes im here abraham
11:44<abraham>did you get it working?
11:44<|Squelos|>ive got nothing in the log :/
11:44<|Squelos|>ive dont have any logs actually
11:44<kevix>deniz: well you have the bad partition and some good parition/media attached?
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11:45<retroj>hello, on a new debian testing system, x.org is in a video mode that my monitor cannot handle. I read that I can change it with xrandr, but when I do `DISPLAY=:0.0 xrandr --size 800x600' xrandr reports "Size 800x600 not found in available modes". Any ideas?
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11:45<deniz>kevix, lenny itself is not corrupt or anything, it's just i accidentally did sudo rm -rf * while being in the home directory, i have an external 80gb hdd and an internal 160gb hdd (laptop's main hdd that im trying to recover from)
11:45<abraham>Squelos, pastebinit /exc/X11/xorg.conf
11:45<abraham>or is it empty?
11:46<|Squelos|>http://pastebin.com/m67927faa
11:46<kevix>deniz: ok. I see
11:46<|Squelos|>im running on the fglrx drivers now, well i think, but the scrolling is really slow.
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11:46<|Squelos|>i think ill reinstall the driver with the deb packages
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11:46<kevix>deniz: the program is looking for the device/partition name, not a directory
11:47<abraham>you have two device sections
11:47<deniz>o so in that case photorec /dev/sda6 /dev/sdd1 ?
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11:47<deniz>kevix, ^
11:47<kevix>so it is looking for something LIKE /dev/sda1 if the bad partition is on the /dev/sda disk, in the first partition
11:48<|Squelos|>yeah, the first one is for the vesa drivers. the second one is added by the fglrx drivers
11:48<kevix>deniz: you need to mount the 'good' partition like /home/ubuntu/good
11:48<|Squelos|>but i was working fine on gnome with this configuration :/
11:48<kevix>deniz: dont mount the bad partition but know what its device name is
11:48<abraham>no you forgot to comment out some stuff
11:48<abraham>i made some changes
11:49<kevix>deniz: and then do something like 'photorec /dev/sda1'
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11:49<deniz>photorec /dev/sda6 but how would it know where to copy it to?
11:49<|Squelos|>i didnt change anything in it abraham
11:49<kevix>deniz: you have to 'cd' to the correct location to save the files.
11:50<abraham>well you have a card0 section but nothing points to it
11:50<deniz>cd /media/disk-1 then photorec /dev/sda6 ?
11:50<kevix>deniz: if you 'cd' to /home/ubuntu/good, that is where they will be saved
11:50<kevix>deniz: that sounds correct.
11:50<abraham>and you have 2 device sections that point to the same device
11:50<deniz>well /media/disk is the mounted external hdd
11:50<kevix>deniz: but make sure to read about all the options of photorec.
11:50<deniz>disk-1 i mean
11:50<abraham>so comment out what i commented out
11:51<kevix>deniz: that sounds good.
11:51<abraham>all of the stuff i commented out is on the far left
11:51<abraham>http://pastebin.com/m4b951aff
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11:51<kevix>deniz: I would sugget to look at; http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec_Step_By_Step
11:51<deniz>kevix, the only options i c in the manual are /log and /debug, is that anything important?
11:52<kevix>deniz: ok. that doesnt seem important.
11:52<vvas>hm
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11:52<kevix>deniz: photorec will also continue where it left off, if you stop it for some reason
11:53<abraham>Squelos, did you get that?
11:53<vvas>what program would people recommend for backups, in the same and/or a different computer
11:53<vvas>?
11:53<abraham>Squelos, i just noticed you have 2 monitor sections too
11:53<deniz>kevix, EFI GPT = Intel EM64T because it seems the "intel" option means i386
11:53<deniz>that was question, forgot the question mark lol
11:54<|Squelos|>yes abraham :)
11:54<|Squelos|>but are you sure its the xorg.conf that is in fault ?
11:54<abraham>yes
11:55<kevix>deniz: I think 'intel'. the worst that can happen is that it doesnt see anything
11:55<deniz>kevix, o ok thank god cuz i dont feel like ruining anything, ill go for intel like u said
11:55<abraham>you could try mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old
11:55<abraham>then see if it works
11:55<kevix>deniz: i tried many options when I used it and it didnt seem to bother it
11:56<abraham>it will probably default to vesa though
11:56<kevix>deniz: you are only READING it
11:56<|Squelos|>ill reboot and try :)
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11:56<deniz>kevix, it says my whole disk has no partition!
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11:57<retroj>oo, xrandr is cool. if only I could get it to work on my new computer
11:57<kevix>deniz: so try the 'EFI'?
11:57<abraham>give it some options or do you have a flat panel?
11:57<abraham>retroj, ^^
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11:58<retroj>abraham: I think the problem is that, since I can't get a display in X.org, I need to run xrandr from another virtual terminal.
11:59<kevix>deniz: oh.. I think you should have used '/dev/sda'
11:59<deniz>kevix, actually its working now with intel, it said no filesystem then asked me what the filesystem was, when it recovers my data, will it have different filenames?
11:59<abraham>retroj, what kinda card do you have?
11:59<nouga>Hi ! My /var/lib/dpkg/available is broken how do I fiw it ?
11:59<nouga>OOps "fix it
12:00<kevix>deniz: yes. it will not use anything that will make sense.
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12:00<retroj>intel gma4500. it's newish, but it should at least work at low resolutions, from what I have read. I believe the problem is the monitor right now, as debian's default resolution was 1920x1440
12:00<|Squelos|>abraham, no look :/ scrolling down is still very slow
12:01<|Squelos|>luck not look
12:01<abraham>ok
12:01<kevix>deniz: you need to use '/dev/sda' not /dev/sda6
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12:01<deniz>kevix, why? it seems to be working, should i stop it and restart?
12:02<abraham>run aticonfig and then it should work perfetc
12:02<abraham>perfect
12:02<southernc>Squelos: ZzzZzzz
12:02<retroj>abraham: was that to me?
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12:02<kevix>deniz: well the website says so, and I think i recall doing what it said.
12:02<abraham>no Squelos, sorry
12:02<retroj>k
12:02<southernc>its aticonfig --initial
12:03<_Majes>evening
12:03<abraham>oh im an nvidia man
12:03<southernc>:)
12:03<southernc>wish i was
12:03<kevix>_Majes: that depends upon the timezone :)
12:03<_Majes>:)
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12:04<abraham>southernc i got a geforce 8500 gt just sitting around
12:04<chealer>!tell nouga about available
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12:04<_Majes>was about to install lenny on a machine with only scsi drives, should I need to add rootdelay to grub ya think or should it be ok ?
12:04<retroj>I tried putting `xrandr --size 800x600' in my .xinitrc and I still get this error that it is not found in available modes. however, 800x600 is listed, along with all the other usual ones in the list given by `xrandr'
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12:05<nouga>chealer: it was bad overwriten or so : "binary file"
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12:05<deniz>kevix, i think i'm just being more specific with the 6, like which partition in the drive i want to recover but is it normal for it to look like its recovering gibberish?
12:05<deniz>kevix, like lets say 47585647.mp3
12:06<kevix>deniz: unfortunatly it does not recover the FILENAMES.
12:06<kevix>deniz: you will have a lot of work ahead of you. but its better than nothing.
12:06<deniz>kevix, o that suks but its not a major issue, what is major tho is wen i try to like open the files, they all contain gibberish, xept some .wav file that sounds like a game probly starcraft?
12:07<deniz>kevix, work being renaming or more?
12:07<kevix>deniz: well you dont know which is the important file
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12:07<deniz>kevix, ok so all i have to do is locate my files in a pile of "garbage"?
12:08<|Squelos|>im gonna reboot
12:08<abraham>ok
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12:08<kevix>deniz: unless it is a file that is ununually big or small
12:08<southernc>Squelos: you dont have to reboot
12:08<southernc>just restart your desktop manager
12:08<kevix>deniz: if you know its a 5mb file, you can look for files that are almost 5mb
12:08<southernc>ok n/m
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12:10<user01>hmm i dont know if i should feel safe about my car repairs when there is this unsecured network for guests and they didnt even bother changing the default router password
12:11<user01>is that something people dont do a lot of i wonder?
12:11<jemolina>hi speaks Spanish
12:11<kevix>!es
12:11<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:11<nouga>Bye !
12:12<jemolina>ok thanks
12:12<kevix>user01: maybe you can mention that to the car folks
12:12<kevix>jemolina: de nada
12:12<user01>maybe they will give me a discount?
12:13<kevix>user01: well... that is not certain :)
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12:13<kevix>user01: you can tell them to make the essid something like their name. good for advertising.
12:14<user01>take their router hostage and change the router password and tell them to knock 100 dollars off or else?
12:14<user01>hehe
12:14<user01>well they do have the company name
12:14<kevix>user01: yes, that is fun, too
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12:14<deniz>kevix, k ill just wait till its done the recovery for now, thanks for your help
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12:14<user01>this has to be the easiest hack ever
12:14<kevix>deniz: well best of luck
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12:14<user01>the default for this router is ¨user¨ no password
12:15<user01>and the essid is the company name
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12:15<user01>sad :(
12:16<kevix>user01: tell them about wrt-dd and how they can make a captive portal
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12:16<user01>really? that sounds fun, i have wrt-dd on a home router
12:17<kevix>user01: maybe it was wifidog?
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12:19<user01>i have a spare asus wl500gP that i was thinking of wrr-dding
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12:19<user01>wrt-dding
12:20<abrotman>how is this debian related?
12:20<user01>network stuff :)
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12:20<user01>i am going to run debian and connect to a router
12:20<Gall>hi all
12:20<user01>im learning about deb network tools
12:20<user01>i saw a deb package called medusa
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12:21<user01>it looks interesting
12:22<user01>i want to go home and try it out on my network
12:22<user01>no sense using it here as there is no password hehe
12:23<user01>no phun backport for lenny yet :(
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12:25<user01>has anyone gotten an version of phun to run on lenny?
12:25<Gall>net
12:26<abraham>judd versions phun
12:26<judd>abraham: phun --
12:26<abraham>none listed
12:27<kevix>user01: google says that this is '2d physics something'
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12:27<user01>kevix, yep :)
12:28<RjY>debian.virginmedia.com hasn't been responsive all weekend and i just noticed it's not listed on http://www.debian.org/mirror/list - anybody know if it's been decommissioned?
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12:28<user01>http://www.getdeb.net/app/Phun
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12:29<user01>pffffff why is a ubuntu site called getdeb? should be getdebs4ubuntu
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12:30<kevix>user01: I have not had good expiernce with getdeb. I think I will try the 8mb tar balll
12:31<abraham>eser get the source and compile
12:31<abraham>user^^
12:31<user01>what about dependencies?
12:31<kevix>my guess is that its a binary
12:32<co_sendirian>hi
12:32<abraham>user solve them manually from the debian repos
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12:33<deniz>user01, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7783561#post7783561 u dont have to do dh_make --createorig if you get the source from debian's repositories otherwise u need to do it
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12:34<retroj>is it correct that xorg.conf has been deprecated in squeeze?
12:34<kevix>it is a binary, but I needed to get one dependenciy
12:35<user01>deniz, so those instructions install it or create a package?
12:35<deniz>user01, create a .deb package, to install it you go into the directory and then dpkg -i *.deb
12:35<kevix>user01: the tarball seems less work than using a deb
12:36<user01>let me see what happens when i run
12:36<cahoot>retroj: by default - yes
12:37<abrotman>retroj: you can still use it
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12:38<kevix>user01: I had to install one small dependenciy and it worked (or would have it I have a good video card)
12:38<user01>kevix, which dependancy?
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12:38<retroj>cahoot: what is the new way to set the video driver, etc?
12:39<retroj>and abrotman
12:39<abrotman>X -configure
12:39<Pryon>dpkg-reconfigure abrotman
12:39<chealer>retroj: no, there is just more stuff autodetected since lenny
12:39<abrotman>no
12:39<abrotman>X -configure
12:39<Pryon>(at least that's how I configure *my* abrotman)
12:39<abrotman>i'm not your abrotman
12:39<abrotman>!empty xorg.conf
12:40<dpkg>Starting from Lenny, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often basically empty, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg.
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12:40<abrotman>!xorg config
12:40<dpkg>From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Things like resolution are configured by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. As a result, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often mostly blank but you can feed xorg settings using it still. Use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout and use "X -configure" as a template for your handwritten xorg.conf.
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12:40<kevix>user01: on my system it was libpng3
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12:41<retroj>thank you
12:41<abrotman>judd!!!!!!!!!!!
12:42<retroj>hey it worked
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12:44<abrotman>that happens from time to time
12:44<kevix>retroj: its debian, what else would you expect :)
12:45<user01>oh hey it works :)
12:45<user01>with ./phun
12:45<kevix>user01: how did you do that?
12:45<user01>kevix, i just extracted tarball and did ./phun
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12:45<retroj>actually, X.org now runs as root, but not in my user account
12:45<user01>and installed libpng3 first
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12:46<kevix>that was what I did, but i was missing libpng3 and my graphics card sux
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12:46<user01>ah im running my nice old ati card
12:46<user01>on my ibmt43
12:47<kevix>user01: my guess is that they are using an older libpng otherwise you would not have needed that
12:47<user01>i didnt try running without the libpng3
12:47<kevix>user01: so try it :)
12:49<user01>cool a puppet :D
12:49<user01>theyve really made improvements to phun
12:49<user01>since the last beta i tried
12:50<user01>but more complicated it looks like
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12:50<user01>there i bolted a spring to my puppets head
12:51<abrotman>user01: less enter key please
12:52<user01>ok sorry
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12:53<kevix>And I thought we didnt have a byte cap limit on irc. they are free, no?
12:53<zenfur>anyone know if "code::blocks" is in repository of debian? I can't find it...
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13:02<the>tesssssss
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13:05<kevix>zenfur: there seems to be deb packages form debian on its site. so no immediate need. but its gplv3, so if someone wanted to do it, it seems possible.
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13:08<kevix>zenfur: you can ask on debian-devel if someone would want to do an ITP, or do a RFP but that is not very likely to get someone to do it.
13:08<zenfur>thanks
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13:12<brad>hey
13:12<kevix>having fun in TX?
13:12<brad>define fun
13:13<brad>now I'm running ubuntu, and I'm pretty happy with it, but they upgraded xorg and now my ati drive won't work with it
13:13<kevix>(defun hmm ( x) (car x))
13:13<brad>I'm thinking of grabbing lenny and getting kde4.2 as a backport
13:14<brad>does lenny have support my the old ati graphics cards ?
13:14<kevix>!ati
13:14<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net).
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13:15<brad>!kde4.2
13:15<brad>!kde
13:15<dpkg>[kde] K Desktop Environment, based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get KDE, ask me about <install kde>. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), see also <kde_trouble>. http://wiki.debian.org/KDE KDE-related IRC channels: http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels
13:15<kevix>bots are fun
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13:16<brad>oh yes
13:16<brad>atm my box is so trashed that all I have running is X and ssh. the rest of happening elsewhere
13:16<brad>good stuff
13:17<chealer>brad: I'm unable to parse your question
13:18<abrotman>brad: what si your ati device?
13:18<xeon-adb>is*
13:18<brad>I've got an xpress 200
13:19<abrotman>that shold be supported by the radeon driver i think
13:20<brad>i know it's supported by the old one, but ubuntu upgraded xorg in the latest and the new driver does not, since debian is good about being behind i though it would probley still work
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13:21<|Squelos|>hi
13:21<brad>hi
13:21<|Squelos|>the scrolling is still slow :/
13:21<|Squelos|>could i be lacking dependencies ?
13:21<abraham>Squelos, whats you xorg.conf say now
13:21<brad>lenny is stable now ?
13:21<abrotman>yes
13:22<brad>I have the oddest way of install linux, i download linux and initrd.gz and manually boot them from grub. one more reason I love linux
13:22<|Squelos|>wait ill have a look. i had to back it up because x wudnt launch
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13:23<abraham>Squelos, rename xorg.conf xorg.conf.back then run as root aticonfig --initial then restart x
13:24<|Squelos|>ok
13:24<brad>abraham, and now you just answered my question too
13:25<abraham>lol n/p
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13:25<brad>bbr, I've got a date with lenny
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13:26<retroj>hey, the good news is that now, sometimes X.org starts. the bad news is that sometimes it takes the whole system down
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13:29<kevix>lenny, I think he went to Moe's Tavern
13:30<ryanakca>I have a debian box running an NFS server and an Ubuntu client. Should I ask my NFS question here or in #ubuntu ?
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13:31<|Squelos|>hum, still lagging while scrolling down.
13:31<|Squelos|>ill comment the lines that seem useless
13:32<kevix>ryanakca: well you dont know if the error is happening in the nfs server or the ubuntu client connecting to it?
13:32<abrotman>ryanakca: does the problem also happen with a Debian client ?
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13:33<ryanakca>abrotman: I don't have any other debian boxes. I'll try with localhos
13:33<ryanakca>s/.*/&t/
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13:34<acu>I added a external hard disk - I can read the files - I cannot add files - is mounted in /home/user/folder however I cannot change the to write even as root - what is this
13:34<eald>hi, where can I find the previous version of a package that I have installed (/var/cache/apt/archive cleaned)?
13:35<abrotman>probably can't anymore
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13:36<eald>I'm in sid, so... old trick to back to testing then
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13:37<fgh>i have a machine with deual debian boot and now when i just reinstalled my second debian grub was overwrited and the configfile from the second install is used. how do i rewrite mrb with my first grub config?
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13:39<Squelos>abraham, still lagging ...
13:39<kevix>fgh: would you not add a stanza to the grub config?
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13:40<fgh>stanza?
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13:43<kevix>fgh: that is the term used for each configuration section
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13:53<dehqan><dehqan> while installing that fingerprintgui software from source that error is shown
13:53<dehqan><dehqan> this error
13:53<dehqan><dehqan> ./bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so: /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.8' not found (required by ./bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so)
13:53<dehqan> SO where is libpam_fingerprint.so from
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13:54<kevix>dehqan: asking the same question over and over does not make it a better question.
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13:55<kevix>dehqan: I would suggest you find a local Linux user group (LUG). They would be much better help.
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13:55<dehqan>goo day everybody , cause of leaving out suddnely
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13:56<dehqan>that argument has been adversative
13:57<dehqan> where is libpam_fingerprint.so from do u think ?
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13:57<dehqan>which package has installed it ?
13:58<kevix>dehqan: you do not appear to have enought understanding of the situation. Getting help from a linux user group would be a better use of your time.
13:58<craigevil>dehqan: none in debian google for it there are many howtos
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13:59<dehqan>tanx but if you dont want to answer question u can say nothing instead of introducing google
14:00<kevix>dehqan: using gnu/linux is about learning. learning is a good thing. getting help from a LUG is a good thing. We help you for free.
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14:17<dehqan> where is libpam_fingerprint.so from do u think ?
14:18<jackyf>dehqan: apt-file
14:19<dehqan>tanx jackyf any other way ?
14:19<jackyf>packages.debian.org
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14:21<dehqan>no libpam_fingerprint.so file
14:21<dehqan>by installing which package has been installed ??
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14:23<dehqan>libpam_fingerprint.so file by installing which package has been installed ??
14:23<jackyf>then no package contains this file
14:23<jackyf>don't flood
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14:25<dehqan>so where is this file from ?
14:25<themill>dehqan: about 8 hours ago we established this was in the download for some other distribution that you were trying to install on your machine.
14:27<brad>can I get kde4.2 on lenny or do I need to run testing ?
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14:28<kevix>brad: lenny seems to have 2 versions of kde 3.5.9 and 4.1. 4.2 seems to be a backport
14:28<brad>backports are fun
14:29<brad>!ati
14:29<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net).
14:29<fgh>are there no nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6.30-* ?
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14:31<Gold24>fgh: use module-assistant to make them
14:31<Gold24>as you need them
14:31<dehqan>tanx themill , how can it be removed ?
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14:32<themill>dehqan: you unpacked a tarball. Delete the directory that you created to do so.
14:32<simonrvn>dehqan: man rm
14:33<simonrvn>dehqan: man rmdir
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14:33<simonrvn>!grounding
14:33<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
14:33<kevix>brad: althogh you may want to look here: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html
14:33<brad>I think the answer is a new vid card
14:33<simonrvn>!fundamentals
14:33<dpkg>You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/, or 'apt-get install rutebook' and read!
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14:34<simonrvn>dehqan: start reading
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14:34<kevix>you would think learning gnu/linux is a punishment?
14:35<themill>dehqan: I wasn't looking over your shoulder when you unpacked the tarball and I'm not going to spend time going back through my irc logs to see if there's a paste of yours that might tell me the answer. You can do these things yourself.
14:35<brad>lol
14:35<simonrvn>kevix: it isn't, but he should know these basic things
14:35<dehqan>maybe there is need to explain again
14:35<kevix>simonrvn: I know that, but does not, yet
14:36<simonrvn>linux gets more fun when you know more, ime
14:36<kevix>there are gnu/linux groups all over the world, there has to be one that can give you some help
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14:36<dehqan>fingerprintGUI is a software that should be installed from source and compile ...
14:36<dehqan>ok
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14:37<brad>how can i tell what video driver I'm using
14:37<Tuplad>hey! I have borrowed my dad's bluetooth stick, a Trust BT1300TP - but I can't get it working, what's the mystery behind Linux + BT ?
14:37<Tuplad>I have installed gnome-bluetooth, but no succes, lsusb shows: Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0a5c:200a Broadcom Corp. Bluetooth dongle
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14:37<dehqan>then cd /usr/app/fingerprint-0.9
14:38<kevix>brad: I think /var/log/Xorg.0.log might say something
14:38<dehqan>then >
14:38<dehqan># ./install.sh --with-upek
14:38<dehqan>./bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so: /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.8' not found (required by ./bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so)
14:38<simonrvn>dehqan: stop pasting in here
14:39<kevix>Tuplad: well that lsusb message seems promising.
14:39<Tuplad>kevix: why ? :p
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14:39<abrotman>dehqan: you've bene told multiple times it won't work on lenny
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14:39<stuckey>Hello. I need to install libGL.so.1 for something I want to install, but I don't know what that is. Can anyone offer me some help?
14:40<brad>it says radoen, but there is no hardware rendering
14:40<dehqan>so now there is need to know libpam_fingerprint.so is pertain to which packge
14:40<dehqan>then package should be removed
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14:40<themill>dehqan: repeat after me "it's in the thing you just downloaded"
14:40<themill>dehqan: repeat after me "it is not in any debian package"
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14:40<kevix>a package that is NOT in debian, can not be remove from debian
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14:41<themill>dehqan: and "rm -rf /usr/app/fingerprint-0.9" will get rid of all that and a pile of other non-debian, incompatible crap that you have on your machine.
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14:41<stuckey>It can if hyperspace exists...
14:41<Tuplad>kevix: so, why is the lsusb message looking promising ?
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14:41<dehqan>yes but here is not any tarball named libpam ???
14:41<themill>*sob*
14:41<stuckey>judd: versions libGL.so.1
14:41<judd>stuckey: libGL.so.1 --
14:41<kevix>stuckey: 'libGL.so.1' is a library
14:41<brad>apt-get remove windows ?
14:41<stuckey>kevix: How do I get this?
14:42<kevix>stuckey: I usually use 'apt-file'
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14:42<themill>stuckey: is this the nvidia libGL.so.1 inside the lenny chroot problem again?
14:42<dehqan>themill yes but here is not any tarball named libpam* ok ???
14:42<stuckey>themill: there wasn't a libGL.so.1 inside lenny chroot problem---just an nvidia inside a lenny chroot problem.
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14:43<brad>i'm really thinking that this is just not going to work. I'm going to have to get a new video card. I might try the drivers from ati, but I really don't want to
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14:43<dehqan>so do u think what is tarball name ?
14:43<stuckey>I recommend the ATI r500 series cards... x1300 or x1950
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14:43<themill>stuckey: if this is related, then make sure that the people who are helping you know that you're fiddling with such libraries inside a chroot
14:44<brad>I'm an nvidia fan myself
14:44<brad>s/an/a
14:44<simonrvn>dehqan: you need to pay attention. you need to pay attention to the people trying to help you, otherwise this will NOT get resolved.
14:44<kevix>libgl1-mesa-glx: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1
14:44<simonrvn>dehqan: do you understand this?
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14:45<brad>i installed wine and got samba. I need to lay off the crack
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14:45<stuckey>kevix: So I did apt-file and I got this: http://paste.debian.net/44306/
14:45<Tuplad>I got Bluetooth working, I'm discoverable, I can find my cell phone. But I can't send any files from my phone to my computer. :o
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14:45<simonrvn>dehqan: forget about that effing tarball and do what themill told you
14:46<kevix>brad: samba is a nice dance, and wine goes well with it
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14:46<dehqan>simonrvn tanx but please dont continue your messages ok ? you are not aware
14:46<cahoot>kevix: for a while
14:47<kevix>stuckey: well you paste shows almost what mine does: there is more than package that contains this. it depends upon your graphics card setup/X
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14:48<stuckey>kevix: From what I understand, I need 32-bit library files... it's something to do with libGL.so.1
14:48<stuckey>kevix: I'm trying to run a 32-bit game, and it needs this
14:48<Tuplad>I got Bluetooth working, I'm discoverable, I can find my cell phone. But I can't send any files from my phone to my computer. Anyone knows what to do ?
14:48<kevix>stuckey: are you trying to run Phun?
14:49<stuckey>kevix: Phun?
14:49<kevix>Tuplad: that sounds like you have it 'working' at least the hardware. maybe there is not files?
14:49<kevix>stuckey: what video card do you have?
14:49<simonrvn>dehqan: 1) don't tell me to shut up 2) you need to be quiet and pay attention and listen to them
14:49<stuckey>kevix: nvidia
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14:50<bremner>simonrvn: I feel your pain, but at a certain point /ignore is your friend
14:50<simonrvn>dehqan: *i'm* not aware? you're the one running around like a chicken with its head cut off
14:50<kevix>stuckey: do any of those lines with 'nvidia' look like the type of your card?
14:50<simonrvn>bremner: i'm fine, thanks :)
14:50<stuckey>kevix: You mean driver version? No.
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14:51<brad>how do I tell apt to install all the dependcies of a package
14:51<kostya>I'm do not have /dev/fb[0-9]. What package I need to install to get them?
14:51<kevix>stuckey: it says legacy 173xx and legacy 71xxx and legacy 96xx
14:51<stuckey>kevix: The current driver version in unstable is like 185 something
14:52<dehqan>themill after rm -rf /usr/app/fingerprint-0.9 again tried to install with
14:52<kevix>brad: if the package was made correctly, it should do it itself
14:52<Tuplad>kevix: what you mean ?
14:52<dehqan>debian:/source/fingerprint-0.9# ./install.sh --with-upek
14:52<brad>kevix, it looks like it's a meta package and it's incomplete
14:52<dehqan>./bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so: /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.8' not found (required by ./bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so)
14:52<dehqan>again that error has been shown
14:53<kostya>help me with frame buffer.
14:53<dehqan>this tells that that .so file is installed by another tarball yes ?
14:53<simonrvn>dehqan: REMOVE IT
14:53<kevix>brad: if its in unstable, then you have to 'wait for stuff to arrive to fix that'
14:53<simonrvn>dehqan: STOP PASTING HERE
14:53<brad>it's an unoffical backport
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14:53<stuckey>kevix: Maybe I need Package nvidia-glx-ia32 ?
14:54<brad>I guess I could install windows
14:54*brad pukes
14:54<kevix>brad: well i would expect them to fix that before releasing it
14:54<dehqan>up 2 5 line is allowed don't bother others please simon
14:54<simonrvn>dehqan: no it isn't, read the /topic
14:54<stuckey>kevix: I get this when I try installing it: http://paste.debian.net/44308/
14:54<brad>the kde4-min and kde4-standard are working, but kde4-full asks for one package after another, but I'm not to worried about it
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14:55<simonrvn>(topic · #debian) /msg dpkg lenny | /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic
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14:55<kostya>I'm do not have /dev/fb[0-9]. What package I need to install to get them?
14:56<simonrvn>no packae provides that
14:56<simonrvn>package*
14:56<stuckey>* I don't have...
14:56<kevix>stuckey: that seems to indicate that the package is not the correct choice
14:56<xeon-adb>brad: try #debian-kde
14:56<stuckey>kevix: Well I need 32 bit compatibility libraries... which one provides that?
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14:57<kevix> /dev/fb[0-9] are frame buffer devices
14:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 410] by debhelper
14:57*simonrvn is seriously considering a request to remove dehqan from the channel: being uncooperative and combative
14:57<kevix>stuckey: they all provide it but for differnt video cards
14:57<kevix>simonrvn: +1
14:57<xeon-adb>simonrvn: +2
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14:58<kostya>so, how I can made them?
14:58<simonrvn>"make"
14:58<simonrvn>you modprobe an appropriate framebuffer driver
14:58<kostya>sorry, i'm very bad speek English.
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14:59<dehqan>themill rm rf did not answer and removing that tarball did not solve problem and in another try that error also exists ..
14:59<simonrvn>dehqan: why would it "answer"?
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15:00<simonrvn>!fundamentals
15:00<dpkg>You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/, or 'apt-get install rutebook' and read!
15:00<Tuplad>I got Bluetooth working, I'm discoverable, I can find my cell phone. But I can't send any files from my phone to my computer. Anyone knows what to do ? I just can't connect properly.
15:00<xeon-adb>dpkg: tell kostya -about ru
15:00<kevix>kostya: The Linux framebuffer (fbdev) is a graphic hardware-independent abstraction layer to show graphics on a console without relying on system-specific libraries such as SVGALib or the heavy overhead of the X Window System. Linux kernel has generic framebuffer support since 2.1.107 kernel.
15:01<Tuplad>I got Bluetooth working, I'm discoverable, I can find my cell phone. I can send files from my computer to my cell phone, but I can't send any files from my cellphone to my computer. Any ideas ?
15:01<stuckey>kevix: okay... so what do I do?
15:01<dehqan>themill rm rf did not impress any and removing that tarball did not solve problem and in another try that error also exists ..
15:01<simonrvn>dehqan: REMOVE THE FILES
15:02<dehqan>simonrvn which files ?
15:02<kevix>stuckey: i see to be out of my league. so perhaps someone else can figure out which package you need. sorry.
15:03<simonrvn>the ones you installed e.g. that pam_fingerprint.so
15:03<simonrvn>and accompanying files
15:03<kevix>dehqan: which state to you live?
15:03<abraham>stuckey what kind of graphics card do you have
15:03<stuckey>abraham: Nvidia
15:03<brad>kevix, confusion
15:04<stuckey>abraham: I'm trying to run a 32 bit game on 64 bit.
15:04<dehqan>kevix iran
15:04<kevix>brad: well, that is one possible answer.
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15:04<abraham>stuckey, aptitude install nvidia-glx-ia32
15:04<dehqan>simonrvn do you mean rm rf ./bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so ???
15:05<Tuplad>I got Bluetooth working, I'm discoverable, I can find my cell phone. I can send files from my computer to my cell phone, but I can't send any files from my cellphone to my computer. Any ideas ?
15:05<abraham>tuplad sounds like operator error
15:05<abraham>read the phone manual
15:05<Tuplad>abraham: what would that be ?
15:06<kevix>dehqan: this page has some info about Iran linux: http://www.linux.org/groups/iran.html
15:06<simonrvn>dehqan: a simple rm will do
15:06<Tuplad>abraham: I've had this thing before on a mac and on a windows machine, with other cellphones
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15:06<stuckey>abraham: http://paste.debian.net/44308/
15:06<Tuplad>abraham: it's something about my computer not being properly configured or not being able to accept files... I don't know how to fix this on linux though, first attempt at bluetooth
15:07<dehqan>9# rm -rf ./bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so
15:07<dehqan>debian:/source/fingerprint-0.9# ./install.sh --with-upek ./bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so.1: /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.8' not found (required by ./bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so.1)
15:07<dehqan>again that error simonrvn
15:07<abraham>stuckey, aptitude install ia32-libx11-6 ia32-libxext6
15:07<dehqan>kevix tanx
15:08<abraham>or apt-get install -f
15:08<abraham>tuplad are you in gnome?
15:08<Tuplad>abraham: yes
15:08<dehqan>has anyone any idea ?
15:08<abraham>click on system>preferences>bluetooth
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15:09<stuckey>abraham: did "aptitude install ia32-libx11-6 ia32-libxext6". Should I now do install nvidia-glx-ia32?
15:09<abraham>yes
15:09<Tuplad>abraham: I am there, that's how I have paired my cellphone with my computer.
15:10<abrotman>dehqan: you're not paying attention to what people are telling you .. it's NOT going to work
15:10<simonrvn>dehqan: WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO INSTALL IT - REMOVE IT
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15:10<abraham>ok click on the general tab and check recieve files from remote devices
15:10<dehqan>ok now changed
15:10<dehqan>./install.sh --with-upek ldd: ./bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so*: No such file or directory
15:10<dehqan>it needs /bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so
15:10<dacer>hi, I have a machine with debian testing, gnome and nvidia driver, I have configured two screen on nvidia, DFP (DVI TFT) and TV, when on TV screen I run any application, its open on DFP (main screen)
15:10<simonrvn>dehqan: WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO INSTALL IT - REMOVE IT
15:10<simonrvn>dehqan: WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO INSTALL IT - REMOVE IT
15:11<stuckey>abraham: same thing
15:11<dehqan>!
15:11<Tuplad>abraham: there is no tab :o
15:11<abraham>stuckey, apt-get -f
15:11<dehqan>why not install ?
15:11<dacer>I don't know when this begin, maybe some nvidia driver update or gnome or kernel update, anyone know how to track this error?
15:11<abrotman>dehqan: you're not paying attention to what people are telling you .. it's NOT going to work
15:11<abraham>stuckey, apt-get install -f
15:12<dehqan>it will work if /bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so exists
15:12<Tuplad>abraham: what bluetooth software have you got installed ?
15:12<dehqan>wont it?
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15:12<dehqan>now you say /bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so does not have a package so
15:12<abraham>Tuplad, do aptitude search bluez and aptitude search bluetooth and see if there are any files you need
15:12<dehqan>so it should be installed from source and compile
15:12<stuckey>abraham: http://paste.debian.net/44309/
15:13<kevix>dehqan: http://www.isfahanlug.org/doku.php
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15:13<dehqan>but what is it's tarball name ?
15:13<dacer>hi, I have a machine with debian testing, gnome and nvidia driver, I have configured two screen on nvidia, DFP (DVI TFT) and TV, when on TV screen I run any application, its open on DFP (main screen). I don't know when this begin, maybe some nvidia driver update or gnome or kernel update, anyone know how to track this error?
15:13<Tuplad>abraham: I have both installed
15:13<dehqan>kevix there is no need to them ...
15:13<dehqan>but what is it's tarball name ?
15:13<abraham>stuckey, what version debian
15:14<dehqan>what is /bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so tarball name
15:14<simonrvn>i've had it. remove dehqan from here, please.
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15:15<dehqan>simonrvn why should they remove?
15:15<dehqan><dehqan> what is /bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so tarball name
15:15<simonrvn>*plonk*
15:15<abraham>Tuplad, bluez-audio bluez-gnome bluez-utils bluetooth gnome-bluetooth libbluetooth2 are what i have installed
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15:17<Tuplad>abraham: doesn't work ;< and bluez-gnome and gnome-bluetooth have a conflict.
15:18<abraham>not in lenny they dont
15:18<Tuplad>abraham: I'm in squeeze
15:18<Tuplad>abraham: ah well, nevermind this thing :(
15:18<abraham>thats why you shouldnt use squeeze
15:18<Tuplad>abraham: well, I wouldn't say such things :p
15:18<Tuplad>abraham: but hey, I have to run now, thanks for your time!
15:19<abraham>n/p
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15:20<stuckey>abraham: unstable
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15:20<abraham>stuckey, run lenny you will be much happier
15:21<stuckey>abraham: libraries were too old
15:21<abraham>well than deal with it being broken
15:21<dehqan>good day every body , how can this error e fixed ?# ./install.sh --with-upek ldd: ./bin/fingerprintPAM/32bit/libpam_fingerprint.so*: No such file or directory
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15:25<danger_>Hello
15:25<bja>dehqan: asking the same question once you've been answered is unpolit
15:25<bja>e
15:26<stuckey>abraham: how can I figure out when it will be fixed?
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15:29<abraham>stuckey, google it
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15:29<abraham>stuckey, sometimes its best to find the source files of the libs you need and compile it for your system instead of running an unstable system
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15:39<Hazelesque>madarame:~$ apt-cache search '.' | wc -l
15:39<Hazelesque>28617
15:39<Hazelesque>^ is that listing the number of available packages? or something else?
15:40<Hazelesque>as in, since it's a regex, "." should match any single character, and so should match every package name of at least one character, right?
15:40<kevix>that could be about right
15:40<abrotman>packages descriptoins that hav ea "."
15:40<Hazelesque>abrotman: but when I tried '*' it said regex error
15:40<Hazelesque>someone was asking me for the debian "equivalent" of "yum list", which apparently lists all available packages (regardless of whether they are installed or not)
15:41<Hazelesque>which, tbh, seems like a very silly command to me
15:41<kevix>Debian GNU/Linux provides more than a pure OS: it comes with over 25113 packages, precompiled software bundled up in a nice format for easy installation on your machine.
15:41-!-dehqan [~dehqan@85.133.254.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:41*Hazelesque has never felt the urge to list "everything I could possibly install"
15:41<kevix>Hazelesque: there are many packages that CAN NOT be installed at the same time
15:42<Hazelesque>indeed
15:42<danger_>I must admit I think I'd like an equiv to yum search
15:42<danger_>but apt is much better all generally
15:42<Hazelesque>danger_: what does that do?
15:42<kevix>aptitude search seems good
15:43<Hazelesque>(according to my friend, redhat is puppies and candyfloss and kittens, and debian is rubbish, he is yet to be convinced otherwise :P)
15:43<danger_>I haven't used that, my version doesn't seem to support it?
15:43<Hazelesque>danger_: what does "yum search" do?
15:43<Hazelesque>if you tell me, perhaps I can suggest a debian equivalent
15:43<kevix>debian also has debtags
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15:43<abraham>danger_, do you use gnome?
15:43<danger_>Hazelesque it searches available packages for a search term and returns matches from the command line
15:43<danger_>abraham I do
15:44<Hazelesque>danger_: and, what is wrong with "apt-cache search"?
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15:44<danger_>I haven't used that, will try it :)
15:44<abraham>danger_, click on system>administration and use synaptic
15:44<kevix>!debtags
15:44<dpkg>it has been said that debtags is http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/, or a great system for package searching, or apt-cache show debtags, or the way to go!, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebTags
15:44<abraham>its a gui very intuitive
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15:44<Hazelesque>danger_: also, if you want a particular file, eg, libfoobarquux
15:44<danger_>abraham I can do that, when I'm accessing the system directly but not when I'm ssh'ing in (with the -X lol)
15:44<abraham>i think you'll like synaptic better
15:45<Hazelesque>you can do "apt-file search libfoobarquux"
15:45<danger_>ah
15:45<abraham>aptitude search
15:45<Hazelesque>and it will tell you all packages that contain a file with that in the name
15:45<Hazelesque>IF AND ONLY IF you have installed "apt-file", and run "apt-file update"
15:46<danger_>Normally I use Fedora one a couple of work machines, so if apt-file search is as good as yum search that's excellent news
15:46<danger_>fedora on rather
15:46<kevix>Hazelesque: you normally dont have to update apt-file very often
15:47<kevix>apt-file tells you about a file can be installed but is not on the system
15:47<Hazelesque>kevix: yes, but at least once.
15:47<Hazelesque>and, downloading the Contents file has to be done separately to the Packages file
15:47<kevix>Hazelesque: sure
15:48<Hazelesque>and there have been times where a file has moved packages, or is new
15:48<Hazelesque>and I missed it until I did an apt-file update
15:48<danger_>When did the distributions split between yum and apt?
15:49<kevix>danger_: in the beginning....
15:49<danger_>thanks kevix
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15:49<kevix>danger_: but debian has yum as part of its systtem for rare uses. and alien for rpm->deb translation.
15:50<kevix>danger_: but debian has RPM as part of its systtem for rare uses. and alien for rpm->deb translation.
15:51<danger_>argh I see so kind of a legacy / compatibility thing?
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15:51<kevix>danger_: when debian was just starting out, there was only dpkg, later came apt-get
15:51<danger_>thanks kevix really useful information :)
15:51<kevix>and in the same way, rpm was first before folks made yum
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15:53<stuckey>abraham: Does this say anything? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=536545
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15:58<danger_>Does Steve McIntyre ever come on here?
15:59<danger_>read an article on him over here, would be interesting to ask him some questions?
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16:00<kevix>danger_: what? the DPL?
16:00<danger_>Yes
16:00<kevix>danger_: I'd be curious as to what you think is unanswered?
16:01<danger_>kevix well I read his interview in linux format, I thought it was really interesting but it'd nice to chat to him in real time about some of the questions raised
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16:02<kevix>well I guess if you get over to the UK, you could go to the UK debian lug :)
16:02<danger_>I am in the UK :)
16:02<danger_>where is UK debian lug?
16:02<danger_>lol
16:03<kevix>danger_: well I think that dont bite folks who use Fedora or Redhat :)
16:04<danger_>I'm a Fedora, RHEL and Debian user - so I could ask some impartial questions :)
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16:06<kevix>danger_: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/pipermail/debian-uk/2009-August/thread.html
16:07<danger_>thank you :)
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16:08<kevix>danger_: right now though, folks are deliberating how to handle the 'cadence' proposal with the Ubuntu project
16:09<kevix>it seems that no one thinks that Redhat would join, or not in the immediate future
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16:12<danger_>All the UK events seem to be private things like BBQ's
16:13<danger_>don't like the idea of gatecrashing one! lol
16:13<kevix>oh. didnt know.
16:13<kevix>you can certainly email and ask. no harm, as you are in the same country.
16:13<danger_>Tue
16:13<danger_>true rather
16:14<danger_>I'll come along dressed as a penguin that way they can't turn me away :)
16:14<kevix>that would be interesting.
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16:15<danger_>it would, I might melt in the process though, they can't be very thermally helpful
16:15<kevix>danger_: As is usual for the time of year, I'm going to have a BBQ at my place
16:15<kevix>>> in Cambridge again on the Bank Holiday weekend at the end of August.
16:15<kevix>>> Count this as an invitation, whether you're a Debian developer, a
16:15<kevix>>> Debian user or whatever.
16:15-!-kevix was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
16:15<danger_>damn flood!
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16:15<danger_>thanks Kev!
16:16<kevix>I pasted one too many lines :)
16:16<abraham>stuckey, you could install the proprietary driver from nvidia
16:16<igormp>olar
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16:26<Hazelesque>out of interest
16:26<danger_>what Hazel
16:26<Hazelesque>is there a friendlier alternative to "update-rc.d" for changing what services are enabled/disabled and what runlevels they start in?
16:26<Hazelesque>(and, when during that runlevel they start/stop)
16:27<Hazelesque>$FRIEND was asking, and I am curious too
16:27<kevix>!update-rc.d
16:27<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, update-rc.d is used to manipulate System V style init script links, which are used to stop/start system services. Read the update-rc.d man page for a good introduction to Debian's boot process. This is NOT a tool users should invoke directly (see man page); ask me about <rcconf>, <sysv-rc-conf> or <bum> instead.
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16:32<igormp>#debian
16:33<kevix>igormp: you are already here
16:33<igormp>tem alguem do brasil
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16:33<kevix>!br
16:33<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
16:34<Hazelesque>kevix: hmm
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16:35<kevix>well people can try to ask questions in english, but why not use your first language
16:35<chahibi>!ar
16:35<dpkg>from memory, ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina, or #debian-ar on irc.oftc.net.
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16:39<chahibi>How can I add a language to dpkg?
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16:42<kevix>chahibi: can you explain what you want dpkg to do?
16:42<kevix>you can change your locale in Unix, so that dpkg can giving messages in another languge
16:42<chealer>chahibi: you don't really do that. dpkg was just outputting the content of its br factoid
16:43<chealer>chahibi: so, you generally add a factoid. for arabian, that might be more complicated
16:43<chahibi>kevix: I mean the channel's dpkg :)
16:43<kevix>chealer: oh. I thought he wanted to change 'dpkg', not the bot :)
16:43<chealer>heh
16:43<kevix>chahibi: to make a bot speak a different language, that would be quite a feat!
16:44<chahibi>chealer: and how is a factoid added?
16:44<chahibi>kevix: apertium could do that for some languages :)
16:45<chealer>dpkg: chahibi is a new factoid
16:45<dpkg>okay, chealer
16:45<chealer>!chahibi
16:45<dpkg>i guess chahibi is a new factoid
16:46<chealer>!forget chahibi
16:46<dpkg>chealer: i forgot chahibi
16:46<chealer>!tell chahibi about help
16:46<abrotman>oh jeez .. don't do that
16:46<kevix>is that bot abuse?
16:46<abrotman>it will be when he fills it full of junk
16:47<chealer>chahibi: hum, that's not what I meant. do /msg dpkg help by yourself
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16:48<chahibi>chealer: the keywords are not very informative
16:49<chealer>chahibi: the only keywords for adding is "is". it's explained at the beginning of the help
16:50<abraham>dpkg, is a bloated overgrown tool of the internet fat cats
16:50<dpkg>abraham: bugger all, i dunno
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16:50<chahibi>chealer: he must learning lots of junk then
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16:51<abraham>but you have to have a word there
16:51<dutche>I'm trying to install compiz in my debian sid, but when I run "compiz --replace" it says me that XGL is not present....how can I fix it?? I searched for a xgl package but nothing there... I'm using a nvidia driver
16:52<chealer>chahibi: sometimes, but to use dpkg on the channel you also need to address it ("!" or "dpkg: ")
16:53<chahibi>chealer: dpkg doesn't seem to support utf-8
16:54<chahibi>13:53 <dpkg> i'm not going to learn illegal characters
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16:54<abrotman>please don't fill the bot with garbage
16:55<Hazelesque>abrotman: do you have some kind of ability to checkpoint dpkg's knowledge, or roll changes back, or whatever?
16:55<adb>dutche: nvidia-glx is installed ?
16:55<chahibi>I give up, ar is already something else
16:55<abraham>dpkg, whats up? is a rhetorical question.
16:55<dpkg>...but whats up is already something else...
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16:56<abrotman>Hazelesque: you can see what new factoids have been made .. but a few of us have started cleaning up the garbage
16:56<chealer>chahibi: ah. that's unfortunate, but possible. it's an infobot
16:56<abrotman>chahibi: what's wron gwith the 'ar' factoid ?
16:56<chahibi>!ar
16:56<dpkg>ar is, like, argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina, or #debian-ar on irc.oftc.net.
16:56<abrotman>seems fine to me
16:57<chealer>oh yeah? is there anyone other than dondelelcaro with access for massive cleaning?
16:57<chealer>abrotman: that doesn't talk about arabian
16:57<chahibi>abrotman: I wanted to add an Arabic factoid, and Arabic ISO639-1 code is ar
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16:58<abrotman>!urdu
16:58<abrotman>!ur
16:58<dpkg>Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a word meaning "from within". A german prefix for refering to something very old. Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For Debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya.
16:58<abrotman>i think hta'ts what you want ..
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16:59<chahibi>Not in local script, meh
16:59<abrotman>because the bot won't take that character set
16:59*Hazelesque can't remember... does IRC support UTF-8?
17:00<chahibi>Hazelesque: of course it does
17:00<chahibi>Hazelesque: there are even servers with utf-8 channel and nick names
17:00<Hazelesque>but IRC is old and crusty ;)
17:00<abrotman>chahibi: just because IRC does ... doesn't mean the bot does
17:00<chahibi>Hazelesque: and anti-commie, they will never support cyrillic
17:01<chahibi>abrotman: I didn't say the opposite :)
17:01<chahibi>ah, debian universalism
17:01<avu>irc doesn't care about the character set used in your messages at all in fact
17:01<avu>which is one of its mjor failings IMO
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17:02<cdlu>avu, it's not a failing at all. it's presumed that people speaking the same language will use a same, or similar, character set, and that no channel's languages are thus limited.
17:03<avu>cdlu, of course it's a failing. because that assumption doesn't hold at all.
17:03<cdlu>avu, you would prefer that all messages are prefixed with the character set?
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17:04<avu>cdlu, somehow declaring it in the protocol would be a solution, yes. although the more modern one would be to just use UTF-8 or something like that consistently
17:04<avu>but both aren't workable solutions of course.
17:04<cdlu>I quite like that I can choose /not/ to use utf-8.
17:04<avu>anyway, this is quite off topic, sorry. :-)
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17:05<cdlu>indeed. :)
17:06<dutche>adb there is no such package in my repositories..I'm using contrib and non-free reps....
17:07<adb>judd: versions nvidia-glx
17:07<judd>adb: nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 185.18.14-2
17:09<kop>How is it that it's only sometimes when I install a new kernel of the same version as the running kernel that apt gives me the "you better reboot now" dialog?
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17:10<witte>kop: because if you have a module loaded that is changed, you might experience funny stuff (or when you load a "new" module together wiht old stuff)
17:11<kop>witte: But if I have a kernel that's changed, and not a module, then it's ok to just keep running the running kernel even though the old one is off the disk?
17:12<kop>witte: I would think it'd tell me to reboot just to get the new kernel running.
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17:13<witte>well, if you overwrite the modules on disk of the same kernel (meaning same directory), you will experience problems
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17:14<witte>kop: at least that is what I always thought the reason was, maybe there is another...
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17:14<kop>witte: I can see that. Just seems like I should always be getting _some_ sort of message. Maybe apt is assuming I'm sharp enough to notice that I'm upgrading a kernel.
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17:17<witte>kop: yeah, must be like that :-)
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17:31<chealer>kop: sometimes the same "medium kernel version" (say 2.6.26) will generate several LKM ABI-s, leading to different packages. it's normal that dpkg doesn't warn you when you're just installing a new Linux image
17:31<chealer>(a new package)
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17:33<kop>chealer: Ok. It's the _replacing_ a running image, not the installing per-se, that makes me think a warning is necessary. Everything else in apt will restart the daemon, but a new kernel won't reboot itself ;-)
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17:36<chealer>kop: pretty much. there is no warning to restart, say, your browser, when you update it, but that's because the potential bugs are very minor. the only important issues I know have to do with upgrading KDE between major releases.
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17:51<kerneld>I can't seem to find mod_ssl for lenny/apache2
17:51<kerneld>Am I going batty?
17:53<abrotman>built in
17:53<abrotman>a2enmod
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17:53*kerneld smacks head :P
17:54<Gun_Smoke>http://packages.debian.org/lenny/apache2.2-common
17:54<kerneld>I thought it had bean ditche for gnutls and I couldn't get that to work with a chain file for intermediat cert
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17:58<kerneld>yay, working :)
17:59<kerneld>Now for my next question. How do I config cyrus-imap and postix to present the intermediate cert?
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18:04<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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18:27<kerneld>Hmm. Postfix docs win again. Cyrus has souch patchy docs.
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18:33<marcot>Why isn't there no nautilus-cd-burner in sid? http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nautilus-cd-burner
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18:34<avu>marcot, gnome 2.26 has embraced brasero I think, so maybe it got thrown out
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18:42<chealer>marcot: see http://packages.qa.debian.org/nautilus-cd-burner ... when it's back up
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18:43<marcot>avu: chealer: Thanks.
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18:47<fgh>how do i change the look of this button and such things? http://frehall.se/bb.png running squeeze and fluxbox
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18:48<abrotman>which application is it ?
18:48<fgh>iceweasel
18:49<fgh>ive changed gtk2 themes but that only modifeis colors
18:49<fgh>im looking for a bit more smooth scrollbars and buttons etc..
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19:33<Jigfischer>It is time that all human races stand up to the threat that the feral negroid beast poses to civilization! Asians, Whites, non-negroid Hispanics, Indians, Semites, Turkics, Native Americans, etc need to band together and put an end to the incessant monkeyshines that the niggras have been imposing on society. If you are tired of the nignogs, then discuss it here at Chimpout Forum! http://www.chimpout.com/forum We are not White
19:33<Jigfischer> Supremacists, we are people of all human races....Negro Inferiorists! http://www.chimpout.com/forum
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19:33<themill>!ops Jigfischer is spamming
19:33<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: Jigfischer is spamming
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19:46<kerneld>235 2.7.0 Authentication successful
19:46<squelos>hi all
19:46<kerneld>a pretty site :)
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19:47*kerneld loves mount -o bind
19:47<kerneld>lets me keept my chroot configs
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19:48<xeon-enouf>!schroot
19:48<dpkg>i heard schroot is an easy way of setting up a chroot of testing or unstable within your installation of stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/Kde4schroot and http://linuxgazette.net/150/kapil.html
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19:48<xeon-enouf>eww kde?
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19:52<squelos>hello.
19:53<squelos>can someone tell me what i should use to get an efficient desktop environnment ?
19:53<squelos>something that can enable transparency etc ...
19:53<squelos>!gnome
19:53<dpkg>well, gnome is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get GNOME, ask me about <install gnome>. See also <gnome status>. http:/wiki.debian.org/Gnome http://www.gnome.org/ #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org.
19:54<rudi_s_>!tell squelos about selftell
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19:54<kardan>!lxde
19:54<dpkg>i heard lxde is Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment, available for Debian since Lenny. To get LXDE, ask me about <install lxde>. http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:Questions http://www.lxde.org/ #lxde on irc.oftc.net.
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19:55<rudi_s_>squelos: What do you mean with efficient? It depends on your working style and personal preferences. Some like Gnome, others KDE, some (including me) don't even use a desktop environment but only a window manger (awesome, xmonad), ...
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19:56<squelos>rudi_s_ im just after trying kde4. I like the look, but i really hate the rest
19:56<squelos>i like gnome. But i would like some engine like emerald to enable transparency
19:56<ml|>depends or your definition of efficient
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19:56<squelos>but emerald doesnt seem to be supported anymore
19:57<kardan>!xfce4
19:57<dpkg>Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. Backported 4.6.1 packages are available, ask me about <bpo>. Squeeze users: Missing icons in your menu? See bug #526171 in the <BTS>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce http://www.xfce.org/ #xfce on irc.freenode.net.
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19:58<kardan>squelos try fluxbox as well
19:59<squelos>ok. but i got gnome installed, is it hard to switch from xfce4 back to gnome ?
19:59<ml|>i don't use transparency here, but iirc that should be possible without using anything specific
20:00<ml|>squelos: you can have them both installed and go back and forth untill you chose one
20:00<squelos>oh cool.
20:00<squelos>but what i really am looking for is transparency etc... for gnome :)
20:00<ml|>just select the session when gdm comes up
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20:01<ml|>!compiz
20:01<dpkg>Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz . http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net.
20:01<squelos>i know about compiz :)
20:01<squelos>i had it installed
20:02<xeon-enouf>what?
20:02<ml|>then... heh
20:03<acu>I wanted to install a later version of EKIGA (since ver 2.0 with Lenny sucks) so I enabled squeeze install EKIGA but it screw badly my gnome aplications - the question is whether I can go back to Lenny (I modified back the repos to take only from lenny but it does not let me install gnome - any help ?
20:03<xeon-enouf>judd: versions libc6
20:03<judd>xeon-enouf: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-23 sid: 2.9-24
20:04<ml|>yeah not good to mix stable and any other release
20:05<acu>ml| indeed - is any way to go back to first wife lenny ?
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20:05<acu>I liked her Gnome garments
20:05<acu>:)
20:06<kerneld>apt pinning might help ... been a while
20:06<acu>I enabled squeeze and even did not see gnome in there - is there
20:06<acu>aha - rings some bell -
20:06<ComradeHaz>evening all, been getting the following message when trying to upgrade an unstable machine for over a week now: E: Couldn't configure pre-depend libc6-i386 for lib32stdc++6, probably a dependency cycle.
20:06<ml|>acu: backup your data and reinstall, unless someone has a bright idea and hopefully you have a seperate /home partition to mke things easier
20:06<kerneld>!pinning
20:06<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
20:06<ComradeHaz>please can someone help me sort it out
20:07<acu>ComradeHaz: you have to be clear in your answer - what install did you use Lenny Squeeze amd64 i386 etc
20:07<acu>In your question
20:08<acu>netinstall
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20:08<ml|>acu: or moving to testing might work
20:08<acu>ml|: this is what I am almost doing - however the gnome is not there - is it ?
20:08<ComradeHaz>as I said it's unstable and amd64
20:08<ml|>judd: versions gnome
20:08<judd>ml|: gnome -- etch: 1:2.14.3.6 lenny: 1:2.22.2~5 sid: 1:2.22.2~5 experimental: 1:2.24.2~2 squeeze: 1:2.24.3~2squeeze2.1 sid: 1:2.26+0
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20:10<ml|>acu: next time see if it's in backports.org or backport it yourself
20:10<ml|>if it's possible ofcourse
20:11<acu>ml|: indeed - ekiga is not in the backport - and I forgot how to backport - there are few libraries which goes along - libopal etc - anyhow I needed badly a webcam solution and ekiga 2.0 still sucks
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20:11<acu>is anything else than ekiga
20:12<ml|>ok, i'm just saying
20:13<adb>acu: tried pidgin ?
20:13<ml|>was your lenny install up to date?
20:13<adb>acu: oh, nvm ..
20:13<ComradeHaz>sorry, acu, do you need more info?
20:14<abraham>acu try kopete or i use skype
20:14<abraham>skype is a little tricky on amd64
20:15<acu>abd: pidgin seem cool however no video and no audio is possible - obviously the biggest pain in Linux is Webcam and Video editing - I wish it was something for 1080i -
20:15<abraham>but kopete's in the repos
20:15<ComradeHaz>http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-glibc@lists.debian.org/msg41348.html seems to be it
20:15<ComradeHaz>though that got marked as not existing after all oddly
20:15<acu>kopete has video and audio ?
20:15<ml|>ComradeHaz: have looked at bts, might give you some info
20:15<abraham>acu yes
20:15<ComradeHaz>ml|: What do you mean?
20:15<abraham>skype is the best ive found though
20:16<ml|>ComradeHaz: do you know what bts is?
20:16<ComradeHaz>No.
20:17<ComradeHaz>well, yes. British Thoratic Society
20:17<ComradeHaz>but I assume that's not what you mean
20:17<ml|>!bts
20:17<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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20:17<ComradeHaz>Ah :D
20:17<ComradeHaz>Or that
20:17<ml|>heh
20:19<ComradeHaz>but as I just pasted, the bug was closed again
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20:19<ComradeHaz>or are you suggesting I should be able to find other similar ones/.
20:20<ml|>yes, look thru bts you might find a workaround for now
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20:21<ml|>ComradeHaz: don't forget you are using unstable
20:22<squelos>does anyone know what is the diference between a gnome based compiz and a gtk based compiz ? :s
20:22<ComradeHaz>I can find nothing
20:22<ComradeHaz>but then again, I don;t really know how to search it
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20:23<acu>please all say a prayer for me - whether is Ekonkar, orOur father of bismilah - I am switching to squeeze
20:24<acu>Comrade: I know you do not pray - but you can sing the International Songs of Comrades :)
20:24<squelos>acu, it will be alright :)
20:24<squelos>squeeze is nothing
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20:25<squelos>the "worst" that can happen is it can break you kernel
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20:26<ComradeHaz>uh
20:26<ml|>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
20:26<dpkg>Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade. But since there's only just been a stable release, expect squeeze to be a bumpy ride for a while. If you don't know what that means or why that would be, stick with lenny. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
20:26<ComradeHaz>so there are 3 bugs, but no fixes or workarounds
20:26<ComradeHaz>is that likly?
20:26<ComradeHaz>*likely
20:26<acu>I am naive and bold - a near deadly combination :) cannot resist not to - Ekiga is quilty (all girls Ekiga, Lenny etc)
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20:27<ml|>ComradeHaz: could be you are using unstable
20:27<acu>Comrade: Debian is almost like in communism - everything works slow and deliberate - people are more important than capital :)
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20:28<ComradeHaz>haha
20:29<ComradeHaz>well I want my kde4.3 :D
20:29<ComradeHaz>and I can;t have it until this is fixed
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20:29*ComradeHaz stamps foot
20:29<ml|>ComradeHaz: also if you found some bugs that you think are related to your issue, maybe add your 2 cents to one of them
20:30<ComradeHaz>nah, nothing different to what's already reported
20:30<ComradeHaz>knowing me I'll just confuse the issue anyway D:
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20:31<ml|>well, can't hurt if you do, more info for debian developers heh ok
20:31<ComradeHaz>:)
20:32<ml|>ComradeHaz: do you have apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges installed?
20:33<ComradeHaz>uh-hu. Why?
20:35<ml|>ComradeHaz: /msg dpkg apt-listbugs
20:35<ml|>ComradeHaz: /msg dpkg apt-listchanges
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20:37<ComradeHaz>hmm, OK
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20:54<ComradeHaz>hmm, well, I just uninstalled the packages that were messing me about, upgraded and reinstalled and now it's all fine
20:54<ComradeHaz>if I knew how to respond to a bug report I guess I could offer my 2 cents
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21:08<fgh>since there are no nvidia-kernel-legacy modulespackage for kernel 2.6.30 i want to use my old 2.6.26 kernel. how do i make aptitude upgrade everthing but not the kernel?
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21:11<ml|>ComradeHaz: just click on the bug report # and reply
21:13<ml|>fgh: your old kernel is not removed iirc, have tried booting it?
21:14<chealer>fgh: APT won't "upgrade" the kernel. all it could upgrade is a kernel metapackage.
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21:16<ml|>chealer: does the nvidia related packages needed, usually get upgraded after the new kernel or at same time?
21:17<fgh>ml|: yes. old kernel works fine
21:18<chealer>ml|: you mean in testing? not talking about APT?
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21:20<fgh>chealer: kernel metapackage?
21:20<ml|>fgh: if you want to use .30 commenting the nvidia line in your xorg.conf should work using nv driver if you have it installed, for the mean time
21:20<chealer>fgh: there are some linux meta-packages, such as linux-image-686
21:22<ml|>chealer: i mean in general regardless of the release
21:23<ml|>don't understand why move .30 to testing and leave nvidia users out in the cold
21:24<fgh>chealer: i dont understand why it helps me to know if the kernel is upgraded or just a metapackage?
21:24<ml|>unless i'm missing something
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21:26<chealer>ml|: if I understand your question correctly, after the new kernel. the nvidia drivers are badly undermaintained. sometimes the LKM source is updated not too long after linux is updated, but then the prebuilt LKM packages usually take months to be updated.
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21:27<chealer>fgh: basically, dist-upgrade doesn't always do a "clean upgrade". sometimes, it will install new versions of a software but leave an old version behind. that is the case with linux images.
21:27<ml|>i see and nvidia maintain tend them correct?
21:28<chealer>ml|: what?
21:29<ml|>just asking who maintains them?
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21:29<chealer>ml|: note that in fgh's case, he should just use 2.6.30 and build the LKM-s with m-a.
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21:31<chealer>ml|: if I understand your question correctly, the Debian maintainer of the nvidia drivers is mainly Randall Donald, at least until very recently. NVIDIA doesn't sponsor Debian packaging of their drivers.
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21:31<fgh>i dont want to m-a, i want to stay on 2.6.26-2-686 until there is a nvidia-legacy-package for .30-kernel :)
21:31<ml|>ok thanks, that's better for nvidia users
21:32<fgh>but still, i want to safe-upgrade other stuff
21:32<ml|>chealer: i know of one user redoing step 2 from the nvidia wiki site and not working
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21:34<chealer>ml|: 2.6.30 was badly needed in testing. it would have been fine to just remove all nvidia drivers from testing if that had been necessary. but the only problem is that the prebuilt LKM packages weren't updated. I asked the release team to remove the uninstallable packages from testing, at least.
21:35<acu>is any package for technical support for any infrastructure (a newtork with servers, workstations etc) ?
21:35<fgh>anyway. what grafficcard would you guys choose if you would buy a new (laptop)-pc today?
21:35<fgh>not nvidia?
21:35<ml|>fgh: you should be ok, since old kernel is not removed iirc
21:35<chealer>ml|: maybe... feel free to tell him to report the problem
21:36<chealer>fgh: "nvidia-legacy" is vague nowadays. nvidia has 3 legacy series.
21:36<ml|>chealer: will suggest that, thanks for the info
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21:37<ml|>fgh: i believe that intel is better supported atm
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21:39<fgh>hm.. you say intel
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21:42<ml|>fgh: /msg dpkg laptop and do some research before buying
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21:52<acu>guys can you direct me to the desktop team - I would like to give some feedback to people who are involved in debian - desktop
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21:53<candelaresi>hello
21:53<candelaresi>i have a problem
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21:53<candelaresi>i can`t delete files in the root folder...
21:54<candelaresi>"rm" tell me that the files are only of read
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21:54<ml|>do you mean in / root dir?
21:54<candelaresi>no no
21:54<candelaresi>the user root
21:54<candelaresi>/root/*.*
21:55<candelaresi>like home...
21:55<candelaresi>/home/*.*
21:55<candelaresi>i need to delete some files there /root
21:55<ml|>ok what exactly are you trying to do
21:55<Nemoder>did you login as user root
21:56<candelaresi>delete some directorys and files in the /root folder using "rm"
21:56<walterti>hi guys, somebody can tell me where can i find some kind of doc about CDD???
21:56<ml|>you must be root like Nemoder said to do that
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21:56<candelaresi>yes
21:56<ml|>su -
21:56<kerneld>Ohh nice, My apache is SIG11
21:56<kerneld>[Sat Aug 15 20:52:04 2009] [notice] child pid 23171 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)
21:56<walterti>i want to know the process of creation of a Custom Debian Distribution
21:57<Nemoder>candelaresi: check the permissions on the files: ls -l
21:57<bremner>walterti: Look for debian pure blends
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21:57<candelaresi>i log...
21:57<candelaresi>root
21:57<ml|>candelaresi: rm -r is what you need to remove dir(s)
21:58<candelaresi>i log like root, i`m from argentina and my english is poor
21:58<ml|>man rm
21:58<candelaresi>yes...
21:58<candelaresi>recursivity
21:58<kerneld>or rmdir
21:58<candelaresi>ok...
21:58<kerneld>for removing an empty dir
21:58<candelaresi>in the login... i log like root
21:58<candelaresi>ok?
21:58<ml|>candelaresi: su -
21:59<Nemoder>candelaresi: run 'whoami' it should say 'root'
21:59<candelaresi>i have to use su instead i`m the root?
21:59<candelaresi>yes Nemoder
21:59<ml|>kerneld: rm -r does that also
21:59<Nemoder>candelaresi: check the permissions on the files you want to delete: ls -l /root/
21:59<candelaresi>ok
21:59<candelaresi>wait
22:00<candelaresi>-rw-r--r--
22:00<candelaresi>and
22:00<ml|>he sould be able to remove it regardless of permissions
22:00<candelaresi>drwx
22:01<Nemoder>perhaps the drive for /root/ is mounted read-only?
22:01<candelaresi>yes
22:01<candelaresi>this is my problem... that i cant delete the files because "rm" said me that de files are read-only
22:02<Nemoder>is /root/ on it's own partition or same as / ?
22:03<candelaresi>/root/
22:03<candelaresi>in the prompt i have this: canari:~#
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22:03<ml|>candelaresi: please show us here exactly what you typed an error you got back
22:04<acu>candelaresi: are you in KDE ?
22:04<candelaresi>no
22:04<acu>gnome ?
22:04<candelaresi>in the console... i don`t have X in the computer that i have this problem
22:04<acu>Ohh
22:05<candelaresi>canari:~# rm -R *.*
22:05<acu>you should look at ownership and restrictions - sometimes you can create a file and restrict delete
22:05<candelaresi>i`m the owner of this pc
22:05<ml|>candelaresi: if it is easier for you try in argentina, or #debian-ar on irc.oftc.net or #debian-es
22:05<acu>I am not expert at console - but if you would have KDE you could just right click on the folder and see the permisions and everything
22:05<candelaresi>yes... mlj
22:06<candelaresi>in the spanish chanel there is nobody
22:06<ml|>ok
22:06<adb>!es
22:06<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:06<ml|>adb: heh
22:06<adb>candelaresi: /join #debian-es
22:06<candelaresi>ok
22:06<Nemoder>candelaresi: what happens if you try: touch /root/testfile
22:06<ml|>adb: read above
22:07<candelaresi>yes... adb read above
22:07<acu>candelaresi: I am not talking whether you aer owner of the computer - sometimes even if you save a file - you might not have delete or write on it - so you need to change ownership - chown something
22:07<ml|>but he says he is root
22:07<Nemoder>ownership should not matter as root
22:07<candelaresi>the same error
22:08<candelaresi>whoiam
22:08<candelaresi>o
22:08<bremner>Single user mode?
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22:08<acu>other thing is that if you have some files open it may not let you delete them
22:08<Nemoder>it sounds like his partition is mounted read-only
22:08<ml|>yes
22:08<Nemoder>often happens on reboot if chsk finds error
22:08<candelaresi>but... /root/ its in the same partirion of the root system
22:09<Nemoder>fsck even heh
22:09<ml|>but an actual error woild be helpful
22:09<candelaresi>the only that i have in another parittion is /home/
22:09<ml|>*would
22:09<candelaresi>ok...
22:09<candelaresi>so... o reboot the system and try it again?
22:10<Nemoder>that is probably easiest
22:10<ml|>well if you want, can't hurt
22:10<ml|>yes
22:11<Nemoder>you could try mount -r -o remount / but if / has open files it wont let you
22:11<kerneld>ml| | rm -rf /* does do, but it also does more than what was asked like rm -r
22:11<ml|>kerneld: ?
22:11<Nemoder>er -w i guess
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22:12<kerneld>ml|: Sorry, just a bit grumpy right now.
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22:12<candelaresi>ahsssss
22:12<candelaresi>waitttt
22:12<ml|>kerneld: ok
22:12<candelaresi>the root filesystem is currelntky mouinted in read-only
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22:13<candelaresi>a mantenance shel will now be started
22:13<candelaresi>i reboot the box, and then said that
22:14<Nemoder>candelaresi: try one more reboot, if it still says it then you'll need to manually run fsck, probably from a rescue disk
22:14<candelaresi>mmm
22:14<candelaresi>i have problem with the hd
22:14<candelaresi>i too old
22:15<ml|>seems so
22:15<candelaresi>15 Gb
22:15<candelaresi>Maxtor
22:15<candelaresi>it toooo olddd...
22:15<ml|>do as Nemoder suggested
22:15<candelaresi>the solution will be a new HD
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22:16<acu>silly question off topic 2 Mbps is 0.2 MB (200 Kilobytes?)
22:16<Nemoder>candelaresi: sometimes a filesystem will have errors if the pc loses power or is shutoff without unmount
22:16<Nemoder>candelaresi: is it ext2?
22:16<candelaresi>yes
22:16<candelaresi>no... ext3
22:16<candelaresi>ahssss
22:16<Nemoder>ah ext3 minimizes some of that with it's journaling fs
22:16<candelaresi>i have the habit to press reset buton
22:16<candelaresi>jajaja
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22:17<Nemoder>don't press reset, use 'shutdown -h now' or 'reboot' command as root
22:17<candelaresi>ok...
22:17<candelaresi>Nemoder... you are a genio
22:17<walterti>thx bremner i finally find the correct doccument, i'm trying to customize debian to the university where i study
22:17<candelaresi>now i run the command
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22:18<ml|>candelaresi: reboot this way this one time shutdown -rF now
22:18<candelaresi>and is deleteting the files...
22:18<cirinho>good night
22:18<cirinho>where is tutorial to compile otserv on debian5 ?
22:18<sney>!br
22:18<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
22:19<candelaresi>dpkg is sayind that for me?
22:19<dpkg>candelaresi: no idea
22:19<bremner>walterti: there is also a mailing list, maybe you have better luck there
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22:19<walterti>thx bremner
22:20<adb>dpkg: tell sney -about selftell
22:20<candelaresi>jajaja
22:20<candelaresi>Nemoder
22:20<candelaresi>Nemoder: i have no more problem
22:20<Nemoder>candelaresi: =)
22:21<candelaresi>Nemoder: Thanks for helping me...
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22:21<candelaresi>i will try on english language...
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22:21<candelaresi>in this channel the people is so helpless
22:21<candelaresi>or somthing that
22:21<Nemoder>helpful :)
22:21<ml|>heh
22:21<candelaresi>yes
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22:22<candelaresi>helpful :D
22:22<candelaresi>thanks :D
22:22<adb>helpfully
22:22<Nemoder>only some of us are helpless
22:22<ml|>hopefully
22:22<ml|>heh
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22:23<Nemoder>but help|less is better than help|more :D
22:23*adb upgrade to sid , and waiting sound stops working /..\
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22:30<sney>adb :P it was for the guy with "inho" in his name who asked about a howto
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22:31<adb>sney: use > dpkg: tell "inho" -about howto
22:32<sney>too late, he already went to #debian-br
22:32<adb>for next time :)
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23:08<hian>Alguém?
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23:14<abrotman>!br
23:14<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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23:48<hachi>hi folks, I'm booting a USB stick with the lenny installer which errors out saying it can't find the CD image... I have loaded a cd netinst image onto the media as well and can't figure out why it can't find it
23:48<hachi>I can't find the logfile of that information which used to be on console 4 though
23:48<hachi>any input on debugging this so I can get debian installed?
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