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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-08-17

---Logopened Mon Aug 17 00:00:41 2009
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00:04<drakeman>ml|, hey everything was fine with the grub thing!
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00:41<Hideo>woopsy, spammer came back
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00:57<Newbi>hi
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01:04-anthy:#debian-Noobs! http://qooy.com/files/0NBHWHXR/psyBNC_1.rar
01:04<anthy>HACK teh planet! http://uploadmirrors.com/download/0UB8W5RD/psyBNC_2.rar
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01:05<budo>hi. just installed lenny stable version 5 net install and sound not working
01:07<adb>ban that anthy please
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01:08<mikegrb>already done
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01:09<ml|>adb: no ops around atm in #oftc
01:09<adb>!ops anthy
01:09<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: anthy
01:09<ml|>it has being reported
01:09<ml|>in #oftc
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01:10<Bytes>Buenas
01:11<ml|>!en
01:11<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
01:11<gsimmons>dpkg: tell budo -about alsa-checklist
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01:12<adb>gsimmons: on freenode , not here ;)
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01:13<adb>grrr , double cross post that budo !!!
01:14<ml|>adb: heh
01:17<adb>ml|: still sunday ? ..
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01:17<ml|>adb: no but they still come out ;(
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01:18<adb>yeah long w-end ..
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01:19<ml|>seems to be gone for the moment
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01:28<budo>cool it works now : )
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01:30<adb>good to know, but cross pasting is a bad habit ..
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01:30<ml|>ah was about to lart, but he left
01:30<ml|>;(
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01:33<adb> /me don't get that word "lart"
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01:34<ml|>adb: /msg dpkg dict lart
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01:35<adb>thanks ml| :)
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01:35<ml|>adb: np
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01:37<ml|>the dict comnand comes in handy for quick checks, no need to leave here to use google
01:37<ml|>for that
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01:55<vroby>b
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01:58<sney>what's the deal with gtk 1.2 and lenny/squeeze? There are still things that rely on it sometimes and I'm surprised it's not in apt
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01:59<adb>as ?
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01:59<sney>I mean, I'm compiling it from source, so it's not a *problem* per se
01:59<sney>I just find it weird
02:00<adb>it == ?
02:00<sney>gtk 1.2
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02:20<craigevil>gtk1.2 is ancient, what besides maybe xmms relies on it?
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02:23<Draconic>Hi all
02:23<Draconic>Anyone up?
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02:52<sney>hmf
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03:17<ottoshmidt>is it a known bug that layout switch doesn't work when autologin enabled?
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03:21<densin>hi.
03:22<densin>default debian 32bit kernel seem can't use memory over 4G right?
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03:22<azeem_>densin: probably, yeah
03:22<azeem_>AFAIK there is the -bigmem kernel for that
03:22<densin>any solution ?
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03:22<Gold24>but it's a bad hack
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03:23<Gold24>but yeah it's there
03:24<densin>just aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem ?
03:24<Gold24>yeah
03:26<phrosty>just PAE, not exactly a hack
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03:27<densin>it seem not install kernel module too.. need instal bigmem module ?
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04:18<Bryce1>my knoppix install is stuck on 76%
04:18<Bryce1>any suggestions?
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04:39<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
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05:12<azeem_>frewo64: please turn off public away
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05:32<Bryce1>my knoppix installer is stuck on 76%
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05:32<jm_>!knoppix
05:32<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
05:33<Bryce1>thanks!
05:33<mitch000001>Bryce1: not again!
05:33<mitch000001>;)
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05:33<Bryce1>what?
05:33<mitch000001>[10:18] <Bryce1> my knoppix install is stuck on 76%
05:33<mitch000001>deja vu
05:33<Bryce1>oh lol im sorry
05:34<Bryce1>i didnt see that
05:34<mitch000001>no problem ;)
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05:34<nepster>hey folks!
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05:51<lwm>rpc.statd fails to start and kde apps get stuck in init. please help
05:53<chahibi>What is the most popular server distribution?
05:54<xeon-enouf>ask distrowatch?
05:54<wekt>chahibi: I saw some stats and they said: Debian. They might have been specific for Germany,though.
05:54<regurgitate>hi
05:54<xeon-enouf>lwm: fix your kde control center settings?
05:54<ml|>!start a distro war
05:54<dpkg>Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'.
05:54<grep>hehehe
05:54<ml|>heh
05:55<wekt>!start a distro war
05:55<dpkg>Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'.
05:55<wekt>I thought it might be from a random selection.
05:55<chahibi>xeon-enouf: they base their stats on page hits
05:56<chahibi>wekt: Redhat might be more popular in the US
05:57<ml|>wekt: it is, you just got unlucky in the draw
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05:58<lwm>rpc.statd[2951]: unable to register (statd, 1, udp).
05:58<grep>It wants to register with the portmapper.
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06:00<Hideo>chahibi: check netcraft maybe, not sure
06:00<lwm>grep: portmapper is running though. what could be the problem?
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06:04<xeon-enouf>lwm: when in doubt, strace
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06:06<lwm>hmm, it forks and the child comes back with an exit code of 1
06:07<lwm>actually i'm not sure of the childs exit code, but it doesn't do anything other than fork and exit
06:08<jm_>you need to use strace -f if it forks
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06:20<lwm>do I need rpc? is it used locally?
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06:40<EmleyMoor>If I want to use sa-update under the standard Debian install of spamassassin, do I need to do anything special?
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07:17<mitch000001>hi, in which package do i find the manual/documentation of plasma?
07:18<petemc>plasma is ionized gas
07:18<petemc>what is it you want, exactly?
07:19<Getty>lol
07:19<mitch000001>if i click the help-button in kde, i often get a "document not found" at the helppage
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07:20<mitch000001>therefore i want to know the packagename (if any) of the plasma desktop in kde 4
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07:20<jm_>try #debian-kde too
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07:51<egza>hi
07:52<egza>hi
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08:02<cpet>anyone with web access awake?
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08:03<petemc>what sort of a question is that?
08:03<cpet>I have a consulting link on debian.org I would like my email to be changed
08:04<petemc>oh, there may be a debian-www channel or mailing list
08:04<cpet>thank you
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08:50<zem>i'm trying to install nvidia drivers with m-a but i get the error: debian.pastebin.com/d509b5ee0
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08:53<jm_>which kernel version are you using?
08:54<jm_>ahh 2.6.30 - do you have the latest driver? you need it
08:55<zem>shouldn't m-a download them automagicaly?
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08:56<jm_>yes, the latest available for the release you're using, not the latest in general
08:56<zem>ah, so i need to install it from sid_
08:57<Gold24>that is not unlikely
08:58<wekt>zem: m-a=?
08:59<zem>module-assistant
08:59<jm_>yeah, get source packages from sid and backport them
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09:19<kiran>df
09:19<kiran>df
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09:24<kiran>hello how to install gtk themes on ubuntu
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09:24<petemc>!ubuntu
09:24<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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09:30<alex>oi
09:31<alex>sou novato no linux alguem pode me ajudar
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09:31<alex>e ai alguem
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09:32<dr|z3d>!pt
09:32<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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10:05<orjan>I want to mount several win shares in the same mount point ( /media ). I tried and can mount one, read and it seems there is a limit to one mount for one mount point. Can in be done with ln -s in some way?
10:06<maxxe>should it be safe to perform a dist-upgrade from for example lenny->squeeze, or will you get a lot of crap left out?
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10:07<noflash>!tell maxxe -about lenny->squeeze
10:08<maxxe>yeah i tried that already. i will perform upgrade when squeeze is released of course
10:08<maxxe>but i mean if you have a lot of packages installed like gnome openoffice xserver and so on
10:08<maxxe>would it be safe?
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10:09<maxxe>i suppose the best way is to do a fresh install from squeeze cd =)
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10:22<FreddyAdu>Are there any RSS channels available for packages? i.e. I'd like to know when a new PHP version becomes available in a lenny distribution
10:22<themill>FreddyAdu: that will only happen for security updates. You're subscribed to d-s-a already, aren't you?
10:22<Gold24>FreddyAdu: follow debian-security-announce / debian-changes mailing lists
10:23<Gold24>also themill is correct :)
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10:25<FreddyAdu>Thanks. So a PHP version will only be updated when a lenny security update is done? Or am I wrong?
10:25<Gold24>that is correct
10:25<themill>FreddyAdu: correct. /msg dpkg stable
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10:26<LvYou>hello everyone,i want to build a driver disk for "intel 82576 NIC",i can compile it from source code on an exist system.but i don't know how to make it avaliable during new system install.
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10:28<FreddyAdu>Alright, thanks. That means that there is no roadmap? I'd like to plan an update of my own software when a new PHP version becomes available for Lenny.
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10:29<themill>FreddyAdu: there is a roadmap -- lenny is "stable". lenny will not change. The only things that change are security fixes and fixes for grave bugs. If your php code currently works with lenny, then no update to php in lenny should break that,
10:30<LvYou>my php is working fine and stable on both etch and lenny ^_^
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10:37<FreddyAdu>Alright. That means waiting for security updates or a new distribution?
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10:39<FreddyAdu>Or compile yourself?
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10:40<themill>FreddyAdu: that means that security updates come courtesy of the debian security team as long as you have an entry for security.debian.org in your sources.list
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10:42<FreddyAdu>themill, thanks for your help!
10:42<regurgitate>!help
10:42<themill>FreddyAdu: no worries. You should read the lenny release notes and the debian reference some more -- all these things are covered in there.
10:43<FreddyAdu>yeah, just read a few words. it's more clear now
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10:47<orjan>I have Amanda doing backup on /media/drive1 ( set up as mount -t cifs //box/drive1 /media/drive1). I want to add /media/drive2 but mount gives me error 11. Is it possible?
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10:48<BullDoG>Hello to everybody!I have problem!I have installed debian from cd-1 ...but when i boot it i have black window.....
10:48<BullDoG>i must to install graphics driver?
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10:49<dr|z3d>BullDoG: Type: startx
10:49<bja>dr|z3d: wb
10:49<dr|z3d>:) Thanks, bja.
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10:50<BullDoG>!startx
10:50<dpkg>rumour has it, startx is a script that starts the X Window System , configure X before starting it. If the rest of X seems present, try getting xbase-clients. see starting gnome, or the way god intended X to be started. Issue 'startx <command> <xclient-options> -- <server> <xserver-options>' to specify specific client to start. Session will exit when that client exits.
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10:59<BullDoG>startx gives me fatal server error:
10:59<BullDoG>server is already active for display 0
10:59<dr|z3d>So you already have x running.
10:59<BullDoG>i think that gnome loads and i have for 1 second something seems a picture.....
11:00<dr|z3d>Try a shict+control+f7
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11:00<BullDoG>and what to do there?
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11:00<dr|z3d>That should display an existing X session if one's up.
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11:02<themill>sounds like X is running but only displaying a black screen
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11:03<dr|z3d>Could be that.. failing to load the DE session manager.
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11:05<ivan_>wassup y'all!
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11:07<BullDoG>how i understand gnome is loads.....i have the message from my monitor that i have not optimal resolution...
11:07<BullDoG>maybe i must to install graphics driver?
11:07<dr|z3d>If you're seeing gnome error messages, you've got a functional driver working.
11:07<xeon-enouf>orjan: seems like something you could google for, although i see error11 is Resource temporarily unavailable
11:07<xeon-enouf>Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs)
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11:07<xeon-enouf>which i don't even have here
11:08<BullDoG>dr|z3d: it is gnome error message?But i have the black window....it is all that i see
11:08<BullDoG>and moving message that resolution of monitor not optimal
11:09<dr|z3d>Yeah, that's likely gnome handling the display.
11:10<dr|z3d>Do you have options in the dialog to reconfigure X?
11:10<xeon-enouf>awe c;mon; http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux-cifs-client/2009-February/004101.html
11:10<xeon-enouf>that can't be true, can it?
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11:11<BullDoG>dr|z3d: at what dialog?:)
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11:11<dr|z3d>The "moving message".. anything to click there?
11:11<orjan>xeon-enouf: I have googled for about 2 hours now. And yes I got the error message but I still don't know how to do
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11:12<dr|z3d>BullDoG: Aside from the moving message, any sign of a desktop?
11:12<BullDoG>dr|z3d: no
11:12<dr|z3d>BullDoG: Ok. Try this: alt+f2 -> gnome-panel
11:13<BullDoG>and what to do there?
11:13<themill>Random stab that the message is being displayed by the monitor and it's ignoring inputs while its being displayed
11:13<dr|z3d>Then hit enter.
11:13<dr|z3d>Ah, could be themill.
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11:14<orjan>xeon-enouf: the username and pasword works for the first mount
11:14<xeon-enouf>orjan: do you have any blank spaces in username or password?
11:14<themill>or a slash
11:14<xeon-enouf>orjan: use a '\040' instead of each space; or change the user or passwd
11:15<orjan>xeon-enouf: no, since it works once I don't think that's the problem
11:15<xeon-enouf>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=455479
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11:15<xeon-enouf>though older
11:16<xeon-enouf>orjan: your 1st mount entry is in fstab though. correct?
11:16<orjan>Is it a problem mounting /media/drive2 if there is already a /media/drive1 mounted?
11:16<orjan>I try with mount first
11:17<xeon-enouf>me contemplates hidden unicode things that go bump in the night
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11:17<themill>orjan: trying with smbclient first can be helpful
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11:17<xeon-enouf>and term chars, like CTRL, and shit like that within filenames, dirnames, usernames, passwds
11:18<orjan>xeon-enouf: but if I can do one mount and the second fails, using same user and pw, then I think there is some other problem
11:18<xeon-enouf>orjan: what device?
11:19<orjan>it's 2 windows shares
11:19<orjan>same windows box
11:19<xeon-enouf>then there;s an issue with your 2nd share - doesn't matter box, i asked 'device'
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11:20<milton>The installation of debian (from disk) went smoothly the first time I tried it but the second time I tried I got stuck on the "Configure the network"-chapter. The difference between the two installations is that the network in question for the second installation had a WEP-key and MAC-filter installed - the network for the first installation had niether but of course (in the second install) I added the MAC-address and entered the WEP-key. I ended up hav
11:20<milton>ing to skip "Configure the network" and now i don't know what to do as (through "Network Settings") enebaling the connection and entering the needed information does not help. Please help me, send the answears to mip0@operamail.com (I have to go).
11:20<BullDoG>when i type gnome-panel i have error: display cannot be load...
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11:20<xeon-enouf>can you mount 2 if you umount 1? (simple test)
11:21<orjan>xeon-enouf: I do "mount -t cifs //ip-addy/folder /media/drive1 -o user/pw
11:21<xeon-enouf>ok, and for 2?
11:21<orjan>just change foler and /media/drive2
11:21<xeon-enouf>no no no .,...
11:22<xeon-enouf>that's not 'another' share,that's the same share
11:22<themill>-ocredentials=/path/to/file is a rather more pleasant way of doing things btw
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11:22<xeon-enouf>wait, what? just change what?
11:22<orjan>themill: yes it's planned when I get it to work
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11:23<goodger>hello, I'm getting the following error: "...while loading shared libraries: libuuid.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
11:23<xeon-enouf>want to be non-clear and evasive?, have a nice day
11:23<orjan>xeon-enouf: /media/drive1 and /media/drive2 is the same shar?
11:23<themill>orjan: my experience has been that it's easier to get it to work with that as the semantics of doing it as a mount option can be difficult once you get funny characters in usernames/passwords. BTW I can't find "-o user/pw" anywhere in man mount.cifs
11:23<goodger>obvious solution appears to be to use apt-file to find where libuuid.so.1 is provided, and install that package --- however, the package is already installed
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11:25<BullDoG>i will try to install ati graphics driver
11:25<orjan>themill: yes I was a bit lazy writing the part after -o, but it works for the first mount so I guess it's ok
11:25<BullDoG>i want to load it from usb flash drive...how to get it from there?:)
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11:26<orjan>xeon-enouf: Cant try to umoint 1 right now other users but will try later
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11:33<goodger>can anyone offer some help with the above issue?
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11:35<chealer>goodger: when?
11:35<goodger>23 minutes past the hour
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11:37<drone77>I'm looking for a getty replacement that offers dualhead support, any suggestions?
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12:05<valdyn>goodger: is the application you are trying to run a 32-bit binary on an amd64 system?
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12:05<goodger>valdyn, 'tis, but it worked about an hour ago before I upgraded to 2.6.30...
12:06<valdyn>goodger: i cannot believe you "just" upgraded to 2.6.30
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12:06<valdyn>goodger: forgetting the 32-bit binary support in that kernel would give a different error anyway I think
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12:07<goodger>valdyn, I just rebooted for the first time in about a week and am now on 2.6.30 --- not sure when it was actually installed
12:07<valdyn>goodger: the kernel has nothing to do with that error
12:08<valdyn>goodger: /lib32/libuuid.so.1 needs to exist
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12:10<goodger>valdyn, it doesn't --- how do I install it?
12:10<valdyn>goodger: i dont think it exists currently in sid or testing
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12:11<goodger>oh, that's... blarghfl. is there an ETA for its reintroduction?
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12:26<leut>how can I revert back to the lenny from squezze/sid?
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12:26<Tekno>you cant
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12:26<leut>Tekno: uh uh , tnx anyway
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13:09<sbyrne>I see that linux-image-2.6.30 fixed some major security issues over 2.6.26. Unfortunately, some of my hardware drivers do not work with 2.6.30. Does somebody maintain a security-patched 2.6.26 for Debian?
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13:10<bja>!seen judd
13:10<dpkg>judd <n=stew@unaffiliated/stew/bot/judd> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 14h 39m 53s ago, saying: 'abrotman: unionfs-fuse -- lenny: 0.21-3 sid: 0.23.hg.20090611-1 squeeze: 0.23.hg.20090611-1'.
13:10<bja>stew: judd is AWOLL
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13:11<locklace>sbyrne: what doesn't work for you in .30
13:11<bja>locklace: wb
13:12<sbyrne>locklace: ATI's catalyst driver.
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13:13<chealer>sbyrne: yes (the Linux team)
13:13<sbyrne>sbyrne: Even if I try to use the Debian packaged version via m-a, there is some issue with libc6 and fglrx-glx-ia32.
13:15<sbyrne>chealer: I am not sure what you mean by "the Linux team".
13:15<azeem_>sbyrne: the Debian security team has updated the lenny kernel recently
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13:16<sbyrne>Oh. I should have said that I am using testing. I guess I could try the lenny kernel on testing.
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13:18<chealer>sbyrne: the Debian Linux team, aka Debian Kernel Team, which maintains Linux in Debian
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13:20<Gold24>you could also take the fglxr from sid
13:20<Gold24>you could also take the fglrx from sid
13:20<Gold24>:)
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13:23<AlexMax>I have a question. My debian server is running sshd, and when I'm sshed into it, every so often it will get into a weird state where I can't type anything in (and have it show up) but I can see output from the server
13:23<AlexMax>Is there some configuration dohicky that I can try?
13:23<AlexMax>I'm sshing in from a Ubuntu machine, if that makes a difference
13:25<chahibi>the nirvana of lurking
13:26<sbyrne>AlexMax: does "reset" fix it when it does happen?
13:26<AlexMax>reset?
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13:26<sbyrne>AlexMax: /usr/bin/reset
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13:27<AlexMax>from what, the client or the server?
13:27<sbyrne>AlexMax: On the server from the ssh shell that is acting up.
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13:28<AlexMax>I'm not sure how I'm suppsoed to access reset if i can't type anything in
13:28<AlexMax>you mean ssh in from a second tab or something?
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13:30<sbyrne>AlexMax: Oh. I thought you meant that it just was not echoing what you typed.
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13:32<sbyrne>AlexMax: If you type "logout" (and hit enter) into the shell that got into a weird state, does it actually work?
13:32<AlexMax>Well I can't tell since I'm usually in irssi
13:33<sbyrne>AlexMax: Try ctrl+U /quit <enter>
13:33<sbyrne>AlexMax: I've had irssi act up like that. I have found that if I run it from screen, it works fine.
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13:34<AlexMax>just happened
13:34<AlexMax>again
13:34<AlexMax>and no i couldn't type without seeing results
13:34<AlexMax>and since my input stopped working i saw you respond
13:34<candelaresi>hello
13:35<AlexMax>and i was already running it inside screen
13:35<AlexMax>it happens both inside and outside of it
13:35<candelaresi>i pass from ubuntu to debian :D
13:35<sbyrne>AlexMax: Does it only happen with irssi?
13:36<AlexMax>no, happens outside of screen+irssi
13:36<AlexMax>i just had it happen at a bash prompt
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13:36<abraham>try reinstalling ssh client on the ubuntu box
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13:37<abraham>it sounds like the ubuntu box just stops sending the key commands
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13:39<abraham>after that i would try reinstalling ssh on the host and check to see if the ssh versions match, i dont know that that matters but it would be worth looking in to
13:39<AlexMax>abraham: it only misbehaves on this debian box
13:39<AlexMax>i ssh to a centos box and it works fine
13:40<abraham>maybe debian uses an older version of ssh or something
13:40<bja>AlexMax: is the centox box on the local net?
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13:44<AlexMax>nope
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13:49<Arcalyth>I'm trying to install fglrx and I'm completely lost because I'm using kernel 2.6.30. How can I patch my kernel to allow compilation of the fglrx module?
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13:50<Arcalyth>I know there are patches out there, but since the instructions are for Gentoo I don't know what to do
13:51<Arcalyth>and the version of fglrx-driver that's in sid right now refuses to install.. and last time I tried to get around it, I bricked my system.
13:51<sbyrne>Arcalyth: Are you on amd64?
13:51<Arcalyth>Yes.
13:52<sbyrne>Arcalyth: Yeah, I had the same issue this morning. I finally gave up and started using the radeonhd drivers. They do dual-head well now via xrandr, but 3D is lacking if you need that.
13:52<Arcalyth>Yeah I'd like to be able to play games. That's the whole reason I want fglrx
13:53<Arcalyth>had it working fine before with the instructions from http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2009/07/03/debian-fglrx-and-linux-2-6-30 but that version of fglrx no longer exists... I just blindly upgraded everything like an idiot >_<
13:53<sbyrne>Arcalyth: Did you try applying the patch you found for gentoo to linux-source-2.6.30 ?
13:53<Arcalyth>I don't know how
13:53<Arcalyth>Otherwise that would have been the first thing I tried
13:54<sbyrne>Arcalyth: aptitude install linux-source-2.6.30, untar it, patch -p0 <patchfile.txt or something like that.
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13:54<Arcalyth>And then the module will compile?
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13:55<sbyrne>Well, I would do that and then build the kernel image package and install it, and then try ATI's installer.
13:55<Arcalyth>Gah... darn it, that means I'll have to configure the kernel =/
13:56<sbyrne>Arcalyth: You should be able to copy your config from /boot to /usr/src/kernel-source-whatever-it-calls-it
13:56<Arcalyth>Really? Wow, I wish I had known that before.
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13:57<patrikf>is there an app that I can view pictures and videos with, sorted by their EXIF timestamps, from multiple folders?
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14:08<AbsintheSyringe>weird, dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg doesn't do anything, any idea? sid
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14:08<sbyrne>AbsintheSyringe: It doesn't do anything in testing either.
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14:09<AbsintheSyringe>sbyrne, it seems like it does something, I'm assuming it does do something, it just may save it somewhere else ... just assumption
14:09<AbsintheSyringe>sbyrne, when have you noticed this?
14:10<sbyrne>AbsintheSyringe: Were you trying to get it to generate a fresh /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
14:10<Arcalyth>sbyrne, I patched and it looks like it worked, but the module still won't compile
14:10<magyar_>is iceweasel 3.5 available for squeeze?
14:10<AbsintheSyringe>sbyrne, excatly
14:10<AbsintheSyringe>magyar, experimental
14:10<sbyrne>AbsintheSyringe: Trying to get fglrx to work on amd64?
14:11<sbyrne>Arcalyth: Did you boot the patched kernel before trying to compile the module?
14:11<Arcalyth>the patches were for /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/*
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14:11<AbsintheSyringe>sbyrne, actually my fn key is acting "suspicious" once I press it, it brings shut down dialog, so I want to get rid of that, I am on amd64 tho
14:11<Arcalyth>stuff that was decompressed from ati's installer
14:12<sbyrne>Arcalyth: Oh. I thought it was a patch for the kernel. I guess I lied about wanting to use kernel-source-2.6.30
14:12<AbsintheSyringe>sbyrne, so wanted to give it a try with fresh new xorg, to see if the problem is there, and then I figured dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg doesn't do anything
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14:13<AbsintheSyringe>also, I'm on intel
14:13<chealer>AbsintheSyringe: how do you know it doesn't do anything?
14:13<sbyrne>AbsintheSyringe: I have not been able to get it to make a new xorg.conf, but I have remapped by Fn key before, and it had nothing to do with X.
14:13<AbsintheSyringe>chealer, I get no output or anything, check the xorg.conf, nothing changed
14:13<Arcalyth>sbyrne, after patching I ran build_mod/make.sh and it still complained about firegl_public.c and kcl_acpi.c which looked like it patched... but apparently not if it's still not compiling
14:14<AbsintheSyringe>sbyrne, I guess I'll have to remap the fn key as well
14:14<sbyrne>Arcalyth: Did you make clean before make?
14:14<Arcalyth>oh, whoops
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14:14<gt>what is flooding?
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14:15<sbyrne>gt: It is when there is a lot of water someplace there shouldn't be. What is the context?
14:15<chealer>AbsintheSyringe: that doesn't mean it doesn't rewrite the file
14:15<sbyrne>chealer: If there is no file, it does not create one.
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14:15<gt>as per no flooding allowed on this network
14:16<sbyrne>gt: It means that you should not paste a lot of text all at once. You should use pastebin.com or something.
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14:16<AbsintheSyringe>chealer, I remove xorg.conf completely, I do dpkg-reconfigure plow xserver-xorg and I don't get a new file ...
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14:16<gt>tx. unnerstood!
14:17<Arcalyth>AbsintheSyringe, that happened to me last night as well. my xorg.conf was empty and dpkg-reconfigure didn't appear to be doing anything
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14:17<Arcalyth>the file existed but it was completely empty
14:17<AbsintheSyringe>Arcalyth, and what have you done to resolve that issue?
14:18<gt>can i cnnect to yahoo messenger from denian, like in Microsft?
14:18<Arcalyth>I haven't resolved it. I got fed up after screwing everything up and just reinstalled Debian. >_>
14:18<gt>debian
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14:19<Arcalyth>AbsintheSyringe, I'm just saying I had the same problem so it might not be an issue with your setup or something
14:19<tom>any showfoto users here on i386? i have a strange bug and wondering if it's just me.
14:19<Arcalyth>sbyrne, there's no way to make clean.. it's a shell script with no option for clean
14:19<sbyrne>Arcalyth: Ouch.
14:19<AbsintheSyringe>Arcalyth, I can't afford to reinstall it unfortunately
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14:20<sbyrne>Arcalyth: Did you get the source by manually extracting ati's installer? Or are you using the fglrx-driver packages?
14:20<Arcalyth>sbyrne, I ran the ati installer for catalyst 9.7 from their website
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14:29<konan_>hy all i have a debian question
14:29<Arcalyth>sbyrne: any other ideas?
14:29<dondelelcaro>!tell konan_ -about ask
14:29<konan_>what space needed the 5DVD installation?
14:29<dondelelcaro>konan_: depends on what packages you install
14:29<konan_>the full all pack installation
14:29<konan_>oh
14:29<dondelelcaro>konan_: there's no such thing
14:29<konan_>and if i install all?
14:29<dondelelcaro>konan_: you can't
14:29<sbyrne>Arcalyth: No. I and I have to go. If you figure it out, post a solution to forums.debian.net
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14:29<Arcalyth>ok
14:30<konan_>why cant
14:30<dondelelcaro>konan_: nor would you ever want to; a typical desktop install probably uses something around 6G or so
14:30<dondelelcaro>konan_: because a lot of the packages conflict with eachother or are otherwise mutally exclusive
14:30<konan_>okay
14:30<konan_>thanks
14:31<dondelelcaro>konan_: in any event, just install what you actually use.
14:31<konan_>um one more thing, freeBSD better or debian?
14:31<dondelelcaro>konan_: we're biased, so Debian.
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14:31<konan_>okay
14:31<dondelelcaro>(though there is Debian GNU/kFreeBSD... but I'm not sure if it's totally ready for casual users yet)
14:31<konan_>i use to irc msn skype video audio and net
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14:33<konan_>how can install ati driver to debian? because i need to install and play fine tux kart and tux racer for kids
14:33<konan_>sorry for my bad english
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14:34<konan_>this is 3D Games
14:34<konan_>to linux
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14:36<Arcalyth>konan_, fglrx is really iffy. I'm working on installing it right now actually
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14:40<konan_>ok i try
14:40<konan_>bye
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14:41<bja>I buyed today for the third time "12 Dancing Princesse" is there a way to make a backup copy of it and let it play till it busts?
14:42<bja>I believe there is, can someone point me in that direction
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14:45<valdyn>bja: I think we dont even know what this is
14:45<valdyn>bja: a movie?
14:46<bja>valdyn: a movie staring Barbie :)
14:46<valdyn>bja: cat /dev/dvd > backup.img
14:46<bja>guess who spoils the dvd's :)
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14:47<bja>valdyn: i will try it on the evening at home, the usual programs to burn it?
14:48<valdyn>bja: yes
14:48<bja>valdyn: thx
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14:55<rudi_s>valdyn: Does this work with "protected" DVDs?
14:55<valdyn>rudi_s: region coded?
14:56<valdyn>rudi_s: region coding isnt copy protection afaik
14:56<rotfat>about the 5.0.2-freezes-at-"Activating swap..." syndrome; i have an acer laptop; it seems that shutting down the machine with "halt" produces the problem, and shutting down by shortly pressing the power button avoids it. anyone know more?
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14:56<rudi_s>valdyn: No, I meant anti-ripping protections.
14:56<valdyn>rudi_s: no idea
14:56<rudi_s>valdyn: Ok, will see. Thanks.
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15:01<wekt>rudi_s: You can let us know how it works.
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15:08<L1nUX1z3R>hey i got a grub question....can i install grub while running a session??
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15:09<arcalyth>ATI catalyst 9.8 JUST got released, so I'm hoping that one will work with 2.6.30 =/
15:10<L1nUX1z3R>i installed kubuntu on another partition and im using gnome now, well when installing kubuntu i ended up installing grub AGAIN...i wanna delete the kubuntu partition, and install grub first on the ubuntu partition, can i do that?
15:11<arcalyth>IT WORKED!!!
15:11<arcalyth>Catalyst 9.8 installs on kernel 2.6.30!
15:11<AlexMax>ati drivers?
15:11<arcalyth>yeah
15:12<AlexMax>working??
15:12<arcalyth>yeah! I just installed it
15:12<arcalyth>no compile error in the log
15:12<rudi_s>wekt: Works with some disk, doesn't work with other.
15:12<arcalyth>about to reboot and test :D
15:12<arcalyth>err
15:12<arcalyth>restart gdm
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15:14<AlexMax>oh god i want to murder this connection
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15:14<AlexMax>still doing it
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15:14<arcalyth>It works! :D
15:15<arcalyth>pushing 8000fps on glxgears.. life is good
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15:17<AlexMax>just in time for quake live linux
15:17<AlexMax>released tomorrow
15:17<AlexMax>:D
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15:19<greg>identify
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15:41<bremner>we are legion
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15:44<adb>yeah , Roman legions
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15:49<drakeman>hey chealer
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15:50<drakeman>hey adb, .
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15:51<adb>hey drakeman
15:51<chealer>hi drakeman
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15:52<drakeman>xD
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16:11<themill>!wb judd
16:11<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! judd has returned!
16:11<nikomo>Trying to get SSH going through a NAT, already port forwarded 22 to my debian box but I can't connect from an outside network
16:11<nikomo>any tips?
16:12<bja>themill: thx
16:12<themill>bja: stew's hard work, my gentle prodding :)
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16:13<stew>"hard work"
16:13<bja>!beer stew
16:13*dpkg pours a pint of Franziskaner Hefeweizen for stew
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16:16<abraham>nikomo whats the command you use to connect and whats the error you get
16:17<bja>nikomo: do a portscan on your external address to see if p22 is actually reachable
16:17<nikomo>ssh nikomo@nikomo.homelinux.com, it just hangs and gives a timeout after a bit which would suggest ports not being forwarded, but I did it
16:17<bja>nikomo: do you have sshd running?
16:17<abraham>try ssh nikomo.homelinux.com
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16:18<abraham>try ssh nikomo.homelinux.com
16:18<nikomo_>Ungh, something went funny and I got disconnected from my box even tho' I'm connected through lan
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16:18<abraham>try ssh nikomo.homelinux.com
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16:19<nikomo_>nikomo.homelinux.com is pointing to the external IP and I can connect to the box when I'm in the same network
16:19<nikomo_>but when I tried connecting from school, I got a timeout and they're not blocking port 22 because my friend can SSH to his box
16:20<abraham>it should still work if you have port forwarding
16:20<nikomo_>If only there was a simple box that said "Disable NAT"..
16:20<abraham>go to dyndns.com and update your ip
16:20<dioz>so in screen
16:20<bja>nikomo: do you have iptables running on your box?
16:21<dioz>why can't i page up and page down when i'm bashing?
16:21<stew>well, judd is going to continue to be sick today
16:21<nikomo_>This is a fresh box so if it's not installed by default, no
16:21<nikomo_>Oh and it's probably good to note that I've been using debian for about 15 minutes now
16:21<nikomo_>Some experience from ubuntu tho
16:22<ajavid>here is judd too/
16:22<ajavid>oh yeah
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16:22<nikomo_>...
16:22<abraham>nikomo did you intall sshd and is it running on the debian box?
16:22<nikomo_>1) I found the problem 2) I'm too afraid to tell what the problem is
16:22<nikomo_>I used inadyn to auto-update the IP
16:22<nikomo_>but it used the internal IP
16:23<nikomo_>That.. could be a problem..
16:23<abraham>there s your problem
16:23<bja>!congratulate nikomo_
16:23<dpkg>Woohoo nikomo_, you did it!
16:23<abraham>nikomo make the dns service point to your nat's ip
16:24<dioz>is your nat a dlink router?
16:24<dioz>heh
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16:24<nikomo_>Ayeh, I did, I'm gonna go and try if it works now, putty on my cell, gonna connect to a network in my living room
16:24<abraham>if its a router it may have an option to input you password so it can update automatically
16:25<abraham>it works
16:25<nikomo_>it works
16:25<abraham>i couldnt connect seeing as i have no password but it works
16:26<nikomo_>now I need an extremely small bluetooth wireless keyboard so I can SSH with my phone
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16:26<abraham>does your phone have ssh on it?
16:27<nikomo_>I have a symbian (ugh) port of putty on it
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16:27<abraham>ahh
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16:29<nikomo_>Is centericq still around by the way? I tried apt-get install centericq but nothing :/
16:29<nikomo_>Or do I have to compile? I saw a friend @school use it.
16:29<bja>judd: versions centerim
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16:30<bja>!seen judd
16:30<dpkg>judd <n=stew@unaffiliated/stew/bot/judd> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 18h 7s ago, saying: 'abrotman: unionfs-fuse -- lenny: 0.21-3 sid: 0.23.hg.20090611-1 squeeze: 0.23.hg.20090611-1'.
16:30<bja>ml|: are you on a bot killing streak?
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16:31<bja>nikomo_: look for centerim
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16:31<stew>bja: sorry, but people who have graciously provided judd with hosting are having tons of power failures today
16:31<nikomo_>did, apt-get'd, gonna try
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16:32<bja>stew: its understandable, don't be, everyones apreciates your work
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16:36<nikomo>ubuntu dull brain, me no know hotkeys :(
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16:47<nikomo>uptime
16:47<nikomo>..
16:47<nikomo>stop looking like a terminal irssi :(
16:50<sney>haha
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16:56<matth> 22:56:09 up 30 days, 2:08, 6 users, load average: 1.80, 1.58, 1.44
16:56<matth>oops :p
16:57<matth>with /exec -o, irssi is roughly a terminal
16:57<dondelelcaro>just use /exec
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16:57-!-nikomo is "nikomo" on #debian #
16:57<matth>but then it doesn't bother everybody ;)
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16:58<nikomo>I'm using a test to determine if you are a computer or not. If you would please answer the question correctly, you will be added to my contact list automatically
16:58<nikomo>What colour does a banana have?
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17:01<nikomo>haa, centerim, you are no match to me
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17:09<candelaresi>hello
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17:10<candelaresi>i have a problem with the springs in my debian
17:10<abraham>yellow
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17:15<chaoticmass>Debian Etch (though it shouldn't matter): Trying to make a disk image of a floppy. I'm using a good USB Floppy drive (/dev/sda). I can mount the floppy and read the files. I umount the drive, then try to do dd bs=2x80x18b if=/dev/sda of=/tmp/floppy.image -- but this doesn't work. dd just sits there like a bump on a log and the drive does not read. What else should I try? TIA
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17:15<adama26>judd: versions eclipse
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17:16<abraham>dd bs=2x80x18b if=/dev/sda1 of=/tmp/floppy.image
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17:16<adama26>!seen judd
17:16<dpkg>judd <n=stew@unaffiliated/stew/bot/judd> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 18h 46m 17s ago, saying: 'abrotman: unionfs-fuse -- lenny: 0.21-3 sid: 0.23.hg.20090611-1 squeeze: 0.23.hg.20090611-1'.
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17:17<chaoticmass>abraham : dd: opening `/dev/sda1': No such file or directory
17:18<abraham>whats the bs= for?
17:18<Gold24>block size
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17:18<abraham>did you format the floppy corerctly?
17:18<chaoticmass>Gold24: abraham: and I was about to give the typical "man dd" answer ;)
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17:18<Gold24>hehe
17:19<chaoticmass>abraham: It's a boot disk for an Akai S2000 Digital Sampler. I am trying to make a backup of the disk while it still works.
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17:20<abraham>dd if=/dev/sda of=/tmp/floppy.image should work then
17:20<chaoticmass>How about this: What is another way to make a disk image in a *nix environment?
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17:22<abraham>i dont even have a floppy drive
17:22<chaoticmass>Thanks abraham.
17:22<abraham>did it work?
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17:22<chaoticmass>No. Anyone else know why dd won't work with a USB floppy?
17:23<abraham>figured it out
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17:26<adama26>chaoticmass: are you sure the floppy drive is /dev/sda ...that's usually your hard disk - check dmesg|tail ?
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17:27<abraham>dd bs=2xM80xM18b if=/dev/sda1 of=/tmp/floppy.image
17:30<abraham>dd bs=1 if=/dev/sda of=/tmp/floppy.image
17:31<abraham>that should make an exact copy
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17:31<abraham>i read through the man page
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17:35<sney>www.woot.com prediction: noobs
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17:37<zem>fonts in my google earth look like this: http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/2183/screenshotmsn.png, any idea how to fix it?
17:37<dr|z3d>zem: Google Earth is a wine app. You're seeing Windows fonts.
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17:37<valdyn>umm
17:37<valdyn>nonsense
17:38<sney>missing some installed fonts, wine or no
17:38<zem>umm... i instaled it from their binary :/
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17:38<sney>that's probably an internal font that it keeps as a fallback if it doesn't find the one it wants
17:39<valdyn>google earth is a QT app
17:39<dr|z3d>zem: Try installing ms-corefonts or whatever it's called.
17:39<dr|z3d>It is? Last time I looked it was running definitively under Wine.
17:39<valdyn>libQtCore.so.4 => /usr/lib32/libQtCore.so.4
17:39<dr|z3d>If Google Earth's gone native QT, I haven't heard.
17:39<valdyn>no way
17:40<azeem_>I thought picasa was a wine app
17:40<valdyn>ldd /path/to/googleearth-bin
17:40<sney>kdefonts maybe if you're not using kde
17:40<zem>gnome
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17:41<valdyn>zem: it might respect your settings set with qtconfig
17:41<sney>that too
17:41<sney>google's binary debs don't really respect debian a lot of the time, so there's tinkering that needs to be done
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17:42<sney>since they're made for ubuntu
17:42<valdyn>uh?
17:42<valdyn>debian has a google earth package ( installer i think )
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17:45<abraham>yeah the debian package puts a script in your home file
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17:45<abraham>you run it to install it
17:45<valdyn>hmm
17:45<abraham>brb
17:45<valdyn>it does WHAT?
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17:47<abraham>valdyn, it puts a installer file in your home directory
17:47<valdyn>abraham: that would be fucked up
17:48<abraham>then the installer builds it on your system
17:48<valdyn>abraham: packages dont put files into $HOME
17:48<abraham>took me forever to figure out what to do to get google maps installed
17:48<abraham>yes it did
17:48<abraham>its not a package
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17:49<themill>Debian's google earth installer package works quite well. It sticks everything in /usr/lib/googleearth
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17:49<abraham>themill, tell valdyn that it does place a file in your home directory
17:50<abraham>the package is just an installer
17:50<valdyn>abraham: the package contains a script "/usr/bin/make-googleearth-package" which creates a debian package
17:50<abraham>its called a utility in synaptic
17:51<themill>abraham: the googleearth-installer makes a .deb you can install.
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17:52<themill>abraham: googleearth-package (sorry, wrong name) makes this .deb in whatever directory you run /usr/bin/make-googleearth-package
17:52<abraham>i guess it doesnt put it in your home directory then, must be remembering after it was installed
17:53*frewo64 is back.
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17:53<walle>Does debian have an auto-generating script for xorg.conf or something, because I don't see anything in it.
17:53<valdyn>walle: you should not need it
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17:54<walle>I want to install alternate nvidia drivers
17:54<valdyn>walle: so go ahead install alternate nvidia drivers
17:55<themill>abraham: running google earth creates a ~/.googleearth just as running a lot of programs makes them create a settings dir for you
17:55<walle>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg isn't giving me what I want.
17:55<walle>wants to configure keyboard..
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17:55<themill>!nvidia
17:55<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
17:55<themill>walle: ^^ follow the instructions on the wiki
17:56<walle>Thanks =x
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18:11<bgx|ertzu>hi, installed "debian-502-i386-netinst.iso" and have login problems(maybe a native german speaker can help) . now can't login on the graphical login screen. neither as root or as user.
18:12<azeem_>bgx|ertzu: does your password contain special characters?
18:12<bremner>!tell bgx|ertzu -about de
18:12<azeem_>the keyboard layout might be switched to US on the login
18:13<bgx|ertzu>userpw contains a "ö" , the rootone not
18:14<themill>bgx|ertzu: even y and z can be problematic for the de keyboard layout. By default, root can't log into the graphical interface anyway.
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18:15<bgx|ertzu>thx 4 the hints
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18:21<abraham>!hints
18:21<dpkg>methinks hints is Methinks hints are just the breadcrumbs left behind by the answer.
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18:23<abraham>!hints
18:23<dpkg>hints are just the breadcrumbs left behind by the answer.
18:24<pisti>hi
18:24<abraham>hello
18:24<pisti>Where are you from?
18:25<abraham>do you have a debian question? if you'd like to just chat i can recommend #offtopic
18:25<pisti>to tell the truth, this is my first time at irc
18:25<pisti>I have a qoustion
18:26<pisti>I have a problem, with installing skype on debian
18:26<pisti>could you help me?
18:26<azeem_>!ask
18:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
18:26<abraham>pisti are you 64bit?
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18:26<abraham>pisti are you 64bit?
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18:27<abraham>i am 64bit and i forced the 32bit deb and installed the libs for it and it works
18:27<pisti>I've started using debian today.
18:28<abraham>if you are 32bit its much easier
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18:28<azeem_>pisti: did you install it yourself?
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18:28<Chrono>Hey Guys, i use Squeeze AMD64. Today i have updated & full-upgraded. Now i have linux 2.6.30-1. There is a way to do fglrx works on it?
18:29<azeem_>Chrono: testing kernels usually do not have timely non-free modules
18:29<azeem_>maybe using m-a works
18:29<pisti>yes, i did, but with some help of an old linux user
18:29<azeem_>did you install i386 or amd64?
18:29<abraham>Chrono, somone earlier got the fglrx installer to work
18:29<abraham>you have to install all the dependencies first
18:30<abraham>then build your own module
18:31<Chrono>ok, i but i use fglrx legacy (X1200) on AMD64, can it works?
18:32<abraham>check the ati website
18:32<pisti>I have upgraded my system, because there were some services, I couldn't use
18:32<Chrono>i think i have the dependencies, cause i have it installed... but about to built a module, i will use ati-installer?
18:33<abraham>yes the installer builds the module
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18:33<Chrono>ok
18:33<pisti>Sorry, I havent speak english for month
18:34<pisti>so I'll be slow a little bit
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18:36<pisti>I have to go, sorry of wasting your time
18:36<pisti>bye
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18:55<honschu>Hi, how to change the theme for nautilus and firefox? I'm not running gnome.
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19:02<patricio>ola
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19:03<bja>!es
19:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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19:07<edbian>My tower had 2 cd drives. I removed one of them. Now in "Computer" I have "CD-ROM 1" and "CR-RW/DVD-ROM Drive" CD-ROM 1 is what the second drive was. It doesn't ever do anything cause the drive it referes to is the one I removed. How can I get rid of it?
19:09<abraham>right click on it and move it to trash
19:09<edbian>as root
19:09<edbian>?
19:10<abraham>and remove the drive from /etc/fstab if its there
19:10<edbian>the root account doesn't see the drive in nautilus
19:10<edbian>I'll remove from /etc/fstab
19:10<abraham>it wont delete from the normal account?
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19:11<edbian>abraham: Right clicking on it and selecting "Move To Trash" does not work from my user.
19:12<abraham>well if you remove it from fstab it should be gone next boot
19:12<edbian>abraham: I figuered
19:12<edbian>Thanks for the help!
19:13<abraham>n/p
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19:21<squelos>hello
19:21<squelos>im just after downloading the sources of an application.
19:21<squelos>im running debian lenny 64
19:21<squelos>how i install it ? its a tar.gz package.
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19:25<edbian>squelos: I'm looking up a website to help you. Hang on
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19:27<squelos>edbian, i got an equivilent on synaptic.
19:27<squelos>and always forget how to do. with the install, make etc ... stuff
19:27<edbian>squelos: An equivilent package?
19:27<squelos>yes.
19:27<squelos>it was for soulseek
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19:28<edbian>alright
19:28<edbian>I think the article is called "how to install anything in ubuntu" for future reference
19:29<squelos>edbian, now question. I got one HDD for linux, but i also got another one, with windows partitions on it. how can i reformat it to EXT 2 or 3 or whatever for linux ? and which one should i use ?
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19:29<squelos>ok :)
19:29<squelos>can i use gparted ?
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19:30<edbian>squelos: Use ext3
19:30<edbian>squelos: Reformatting erases the entire drive. Use gparted to handle partitions. Run it from a Live CD
19:30<squelos>no XFS etc ...
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19:31<squelos>no other way without using a live cd ? :s
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19:31<squelos>its a second physical hard drive. Nothing to do with my linux install
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19:31<bremner>you can use gparted w/o a live cd, you just have to be a bit more careful
19:31<squelos>and why use EXT 3 and not something else ? its for music movies etc ;..
19:32<edbian>squelos: ext3 is the best :)
19:32<squelos>i dont need a boot thing on the second hard drive ?
19:32<squelos>i just make as much partitions as i want ?
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19:32<squelos>probly just 2 or 3
19:32<edbian>squelos: Yep! I suggest just one big one
19:32<edbian>squelos: Why break them up if they're all for the same purpose?
19:33<squelos>well, im not sure yet
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19:33<squelos>i dunno.
19:33<squelos>no need to defrag ?
19:33<squelos>i dunno, i might just put them into one big partition.
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19:34<squelos>primary partition ?
19:34<squelos>or extended partition ?
19:34<edbian>squelos: ext3 does not fragment except in extreme cases
19:34<squelos>does windows not use EXT2 ?
19:34<abraham>i dont trust ext3 yet
19:35<edbian>abraham: You don't trust ext3? you use ext2?
19:35<squelos>what do you trust abraham ?
19:35<abraham>ext2 is more stable
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19:35<edbian>No offense abraham but I think you're living in the past ;)
19:35<squelos>hum, never crashed with EXT3.
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19:36<Gold24>yeah edbian i would agree on that
19:36<ml|>ext4 here heh
19:36<abraham>you cannot recover data from ext3 once its been deleted
19:36<abrotman>that's not more stable ...
19:36<Gold24>sure ext2 was more stable back when we were talking early 2.4 kernels ;)
19:36<abrotman>that's a "problem" with all journaling filesystems AIUI
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19:37<abraham>and i had an ext3 filesystem become unfixable
19:37<abrotman>abraham: when? 2002 ?
19:37<abraham>no libstdc++
19:37<abraham>five days ago
19:37*abrotman suspects there are others things impacting the FS .. like a power outage .. or flaky hardware
19:38<ml|>yup
19:38<abraham>its a read only file
19:38<abraham>what could happen
19:38<abrotman>uhm .. it could still be corrupted
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19:40<squelos>damn, can power outages still kill a FS ?
19:40<abraham>and thats besides the fact that a journaling file system will destroy the drive in a shorter period of time
19:40<squelos>edbian, primary or extended partition ?
19:40<edbian>squelos: Primary
19:40<squelos>why abraham ?
19:41<squelos>ok
19:41<abrotman>abraham: that's not true either
19:41<edbian>extended are just place holder to allow more than 4 primary
19:41<abraham>the way that it stores data it uses the same part of the drive over and over
19:42<abrotman>yeah .. like having a swap partition kills hardware
19:42<abrotman>it's the same argument
19:42<abraham>using a swap partition
19:42<abraham>not just having one
19:42<squelos>buy a SSD :)
19:42<abrotman>i'm telling you that if you believe that a journal FS kills your HDD because it's writing to the same place over and over .. you should also believe that a swap partition will also kill your HDD .. it acts the same way
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19:43<squelos>i agree with abrotman.
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19:43<squelos>anyways, with the price of HD, and their lifetime ...
19:43<squelos>its not really a problem to my eyes
19:43<abraham>a swap partittion does kill hardware faster
19:43<abrotman>but you still use one ?
19:44<abraham>im not saying its bad for it. just that it lessens the life of it
19:44<abrotman>you said it destroys the HDD
19:44<abraham>i have swap, but it has never been touched due to my having 6 gigs of ram
19:45<squelos>abraham : core i7 ?
19:45<abraham>it lessens the life
19:45<abraham>amd64 athlon dual core
19:45<abraham>why not use rieserfs then?
19:45<squelos>why do you have 6 gigs and not 4 or 8 ?
19:46<abrotman>why would i use reiserfs ?
19:46<abraham>because i have two 1gig chips and 2 2 gig chips
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19:47<abraham>isnt rieserfs an older journaling fs?
19:48<abrotman>xfs is even older .. what's your point ?
19:48<abrotman>older doesn't make it more stable
19:49<abraham>i just think its unnecessary for a home computer is all
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19:49*dr|z3d wonders where the Debian angle is.
19:49<squelos>i need to mount my HDD now.
19:50<squelos>what are the attributes i need ?
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19:50<abraham>debian uses ext2 by default anyway
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19:51<dmoerner>it uses ext3 by default, although ext2 is the default for /boot on expert lvm setups i think
19:51<ml|>!start an fs war
19:51<dpkg>Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency!
19:51<abraham>then why do i have ext2
19:51<abraham>i did the auto-install
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19:53<abraham>n/m i have ext3
19:53<abraham>i couldve sworn it was ext2 by default
19:54<squelos>my HD is not recognized yet. do i need to reboot ?
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19:54<vanh>quem ta ae
19:55<ml|>create a mountpoint in /mnt and mount it
19:55<abrotman>!br
19:55<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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19:58<squelos>mkdir /mnt/sda1
19:59<squelos>mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1
19:59<squelos>i got this on google.
19:59<squelos>but the last part seem to be false.
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19:59<squelos>i specified -t ext3
19:59<squelos>but it says the FS is not recognised
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20:00<abraham>try ext2
20:00<abraham>its the same w/o journaling
20:00<abrotman>oh ffs
20:00<squelos>no but the harddrive is partitionned and formatted
20:01<squelos>but its not recognised in the computer section yet
20:01<abraham>oh
20:01<abraham>add it to fstab
20:01<squelos>gedit /etc/fstab ?
20:01<abraham>yes
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20:02<abraham>you can mount an ext3 with ext2 command it just wont have journaling
20:02<squelos>what mount point will i use ?
20:03<abraham>i suggest /media/drive1
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20:03<abraham>any folder you want though
20:04<squelos>no options ?
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20:05<abraham> /path/to/dev /media/drive1 ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1
20:05<squelos>ok
20:05<squelos>thats what i put in.
20:05<squelos>Im gonna go to bed now.
20:05<squelos>wait, need a smoke first
20:06<squelos>who codes here ? i need the software to code in PHP, and HTML/CSS.
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20:11<chealer>squelos: just ask your question. there are several applications to do that.
20:12<squelos>what applications do you use ? and that are user friendly ?
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20:13<dr|z3d>squelos: Try gedit and some plugins.
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20:14<dr|z3d>Or there's bluefish and kompozer for for web-oriented tools.
20:15<squelos>oh yeah bluefish :)
20:15<abraham>why would upgrading a kernel cause the webcam to stop working in kopete?
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20:17<abraham>!kopete
20:17<dpkg>kopete is, like, <KDE>'s flexible and extendable multiple protocol instant messaging system designed as a plugin-based system. All protocols are plugins and allow modular installation and configuration. http://kopete.kde.org/ #kopete on irc.freenode.net.
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20:17<chealer>abraham: which driver did you use?
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20:17<chealer>squelos: which desktop environment do you use?
20:19<dmoerner>abraham: it's because the drivers for webcams are in the kernel, not in the userland of kopete
20:19<dmoerner>what kind of a kernel upgrade was it?
20:19<abrotman>testing recently went .26->.30
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20:20<dmoerner>oh yeah i saw all the bug closings on bts.turmzimmer.net
20:22<abraham>dmoerner, the webcam still works with other programs just not kopete
20:22<abraham>the driver is actually improved quality
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20:23<abraham>i compiled my own kernel and included v4l and v4l2 and the required modules the camera works great. just not in kopete
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20:25<squelos>chealer, gnome with compiz
20:27<abraham>gnome with compiz rocks unless you're a gamer
20:27<squelos>gamer under linux ?
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20:27<dmoerner>it should be fine with dri2
20:27<abraham>yeah i play warsow urban terror ut and call of duty 4
20:28<squelos>i like it. I just got a nice gtk and metacity theme, and compiz for the transparency.
20:28<squelos>hum, i used to play cod5
20:28<squelos>well, cod waw actually.
20:28<abraham>squelos compile emerald
20:28<abraham>it looks amazing
20:28<squelos>abraham, i had emerald a few years ago. But it seems that its no longer maintained :(
20:29<abraham>cod 4 is trick to get to work well
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20:29<abraham>thats sad
20:29<squelos>but im actually having performance problems with compiz.
20:30<squelos>i probly need to add some lines to my xorg.conf
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20:30<squelos>but i dont know which lines i need to add. Cause my GPU is rather recent - 4870x2)
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20:30<squelos>here lads, im going to bed
20:30<squelos>good night.
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21:04<josef1>Hi!
21:05<bja>hi
21:07<josef1>Is this the right place for support? Nvida told me so...
21:07<bja>if you have debian installed this is the place
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21:08<bja>!nvidia
21:08<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
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21:10<abraham>josef1 whats your question
21:12<josef1>I'm pretty new to Debian and Linux at all. But I think its fun and I'm learning I hope. The problem is that I cant follow that wiki, because my xorg.conf seems to be all empty. I tried to upgrade it with apt-get but it told me it was the latest version. I have amd64 5.0.2 Debian
21:12<abraham>josef1, did you install the debian driver allready?
21:13<abraham>fglrx?
21:13<abraham>or the nvidia driver
21:13<josef1>No, not the Debian nvida driver
21:13<abraham>you installed the one from nvidia?
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21:14<abrotman>which nvidia card is it?
21:14<josef1>no I tried, but i couldnt cause of "id" or bin-something was missing
21:14<josef1>XFX 6600GT
21:14<abraham>ok i want you to run aptitude build-dep nvidia
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21:15<abraham>then you are going to have to remove some packages
21:15<abraham>just the ones with nvidia in their name
21:16<abrotman>josef1: the URL above has instructions for you
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21:16<abraham>he said he cant follow it
21:16<abrotman>he could just create a more full xorg.conf
21:17<abraham>he doesnt have a driver yet
21:17<abraham>did you d/l the 185 driver from nvidia's site?
21:18<abrotman>he doesn't need it
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21:18<abrotman>heck .. it might not even support his card .. the 6xxx is kind of old
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21:18<abraham>i used the widget at the nvidia site to see what driver he should use
21:18<josef1>Thank you very much, the aptitude command worked. Just delete the package from Nvida i downloaded?
21:19<abrotman>josef1: lspci -nn .. what is the xxxx:xxxx number at the end ?
21:19<abraham>it says the 185 supports his card
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21:20<josef1>abrotman; the number on the card?
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21:21<abrotman>josef1: does the nvidia driver work?
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21:23<abraham>he hasnt built it yet
21:23<josef1>well how do I know? :) sorry this is going slow for me
21:23<abrotman>there are pre-builts available
21:24<abraham>yes the prebuilts are far easier and probably all that you'd need
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21:25<abraham>i would recommend the one liner from dpkg
21:25<abrotman>josef1: if you `cat /etc/apt/sources.list` .. do you see the words 'contrib' or 'non-free' ?
21:25<abraham>!nvidia one liner
21:25<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
21:26<abrotman>that worked ...
21:26<abrotman>!nvidia pre-built
21:26<dpkg>aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32).
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21:26<Viinz>salut
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21:26<abraham>gotta go
21:26<abraham>later all
21:26<Viinz>http://ircnit.fr.ht
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21:33<josef1>the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesnt ask me any questions about the screen resolution and stuff. Ive installed those packages though
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21:33<abrotman>did you try restarting X ?
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21:34<josef1>nope.. but I will now :)
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21:37<josef1>no better luck this time, no possibility to change resolution. And still the xserver-xorg wont even start with -phigh, only with -plow or -pmedium.
21:38<abrotman>you may need to use "X -configure" to create an xorg.conf and tell it to use nvidia
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21:39<josef1>"X -configure" says : "Fatal error... server is already active for display 0"
21:40<sney>yes, you need to shut down X first
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21:59<bignose>how can I tell, with a Debian ‘linux-image’ prior to 2.6.30, whether any of my hardware requires contents now in the ‘firmware-linux’ package <URL:http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-linux>?
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22:06<paul>hi
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22:07<Guest15>how do i play dvds on ubuntu?
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22:07<abrotman>Guest15: ask #ubuntu on freenode
22:07<Guest15>ok
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22:20<xeon-enouf>bignose: check your hardware
22:21<xeon-enouf>!what's my hardware
22:21<dpkg>You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run as root or sudo; "lshw -html > myhardware.html" and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>.
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22:32<Arcalyth>Hi, I installed the ATI catalyst 9.8 driver earlier, it installed on my kernel 2.6.30, but now World of Warcraft gives me a black screen when I play it in openGL mode.. I think it has something to do with my system being 64bit and there being no 32bit driver or something.. is it safe for me to symlink /usr/lib64/libGL.so to /usr/lib32/libGL.so?
22:36<Arcalyth>Never mind. I tried that. cp says they're the same file.
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22:37<bignose>xeon-enouf: okay, thank you
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22:50<arcalyth>does anyone know anything about getting fglrx to work on amd64
22:50<arcalyth>it "works" but the 32 bit driver doesn't seem to
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23:03<sney>arcalyth: did you follow http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary ?
23:05<arcalyth>No. I did it the ATI way. The debian way doesn't work with kernel 2.6.30.
23:06<abrotman>i thought there was an fglrx/.30 bug where it didn't work right
23:06<arcalyth>Catalyst 9.8 was released today, it installs fine
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23:10<arcalyth>I just don't think the 32bit driver is working properly. I had catalyst 9.5 installed the debian way + a patch I found, and it worked until sid got updated and 9.5 was dropped... fglrx-glx-ia32 was removed from my system, then world of warcraft broke. tribes 2 works fine in wine though so I don't know what the deal is.
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23:11<arcalyth>fglrx catalyst 9.8 is installed the ATI way and I direct rendering: Yes. I don't know if this is an issue with fglrx, world of warcraft, wine, or what, but I'm completely stuck
23:11<arcalyth>I'm also on amd64.
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23:13<sney>the thing about supporting sid
23:13<sney>since it's by definition unstable, there are all sorts of wonky issues that can pop up and they're more or less guaranteed to be undocumented
23:13<sney>you shouldn't use sid unless you have the knowhow to dig yourself out when something breaks
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23:16<sney>I'd roll up my sleeves and join you on your tinker quest but I've got nvidia hardware
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23:28<unknown13>hello room
23:28<unknown13>any questions on ubuntu or debian i am glad to assist
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23:31<sney>that was interesting
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23:35<arcalyth>sney I don't use sid
23:35<arcalyth>I'm using lenny + lenny-backports
23:36<arcalyth>I used to, but I don't anymore.
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23:37<arcalyth>and I've done about everything I could think of to fix this. I managed to fix fglrx to allow 3d acceleration but that doens't really matter if I can't play my games anyway. at least with the open source driver I can use xfce's compositor without massive slowdown.
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23:50<like>hey boys
23:50<like>tnx for the cd
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