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---Logopened Wed Aug 19 00:00:06 2009
00:00<Steven_M>anyone?
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00:06<chealer>Steven_M: just ask your question
00:07<Steven_M>chealer: it's written here: http://pastebin.com/d553a94ef
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00:12<Steven_M>chealer: do you know the answer?
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00:13<chealer>Steven_M: don't ask me, ask the channel
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00:15<Steven_M>does anyone know the answer to this question? http://pastebin.com/d553a94ef
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00:16<deniz>how can i force the cat command to show the whole file i want to view even if it's super long and will require lots of scrolling?
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00:17<sney>just use less
00:17<sney>then you can scroll it at your leisure
00:18<deniz>less /directory/filename ?
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00:19<Steven_M>deniz: yes
00:19<chealer>Steven_M: don't ask if anyone knows the answer to some question. just ask the question.
00:20<deniz>sney, ,Steven_M: thanks
00:20<ml|>to read a txt file i'd just use vim or your fav editor
00:20<chealer>I wouldn't. I'd use a pager
00:21<sney>Steven_M: I believe the command hwclock is available through the installer
00:21<deniz>ml|, actually yes im trying to copy paste some file using ssh and gedit doesn't work with ssh
00:21<ml|>chealer: heh
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00:22<chealer>ml|: just in case, less can trigger an editor with "v" if you decide something needs to be changed
00:22<Steven_M>chealer: the questen is long, that's why I pastebined it
00:22<chealer>Steven_M: then ask "what is the answer to this question? : ..."
00:23<sney>why are you still discussing the question when I may have solved it for you'
00:23<sney>it's as if you prefer arguing with chealer to dealing with the issue at hand
00:23<chealer>Steven_M: and of course, don't expect any answer if you don't say what the question is about
00:23<ml|>deniz: why not just cp the file in question to your system and edit there then mv it back if needed
00:24<Steven_M>sney sorry, I was about to thank you
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00:24<deniz>how do u cp a file from one comp to another via ssh? for some reason my flashdrive does not show under /media when i try to do this without internet
00:24<deniz>ml|, ^
00:24<sney>sftp or scp
00:25<ml|>less is fine, but why use it when you have editord
00:25<ml|>editors*
00:25<ml|>deniz: or rsync
00:25<sney>rsync over ssh?
00:25<ml|>yes
00:26<sney>well, that seems a little overkill anyway
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00:26<ml|>yeah, for one file it is
00:28<ml|>but is what i prefer to use, with ssh-agent $SHELL ssh-add, autocomplete works great this way
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00:35<deniz>ml|, how do i use rsync to cp a file from one comp to another
00:36<ml|>deniz: remote to local or other way around?
00:36<deniz>both comps r in same house so local local?
00:37<deniz>is that wat u were askin?
00:38<arw1>deniz: http://everythinglinux.org/rsync/
00:38<ml|>yes, regardless the one you are one call it local and the other is the remote even if they are in the same room
00:39<ml|>man rsync also
00:41<kerneld>remote to remote :P
00:42<ml|>you can also use sftp or scp like sney suggested, also if you run an ftp server like proftpd you can use filezilla for example to mv cp files around
00:44<deniz>but wait, is there a reason why gedit doesn't work through ssh?
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00:46<ml|>deniz: so you used ssh and in trying to edit a file on remote with gedit?
00:46<arw1>deniz: depends from nautilius
00:46<deniz>ml|, no not edit, just copy and paste into an email
00:47<Steven_M>sney: can you use the format hwclock --set --date=MMddhhmm[[cc]yy]?
00:47<sney>yeah I think so,
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00:47<sney>it's been a while since i used hwclock though
00:48<ml|>does the remote have X running?
00:48<ml|>gedit is an X app only iirc
00:49<Steven_M>deniz: I forgot to say you're welcome :)
00:49<Steven_M>sney: ok thanks :)
00:50<deniz>ml|, ooo i c, no the whole bug report im filling is probably with X or some kind of GUI issue
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00:51<Steven_M>sney: may I pm you about smomething?
00:51<sney>no
00:51<sney>I'm about to go afk anyway
00:51<ml|>so you would need to setup X-forwarding if X is running, man ssh sshd_config
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00:52<Steven_M>sney: ok no worries :)
00:53<ml|>deniz: bug report?
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00:54<deniz>ml|, yes the person wants me to post contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log for example
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00:54<deniz>ml|, im filing a bug report for squeeze and im trying to do it via my lenny comp
00:55<ml|>deniz: use reportbug if not already and you file it from the machine having the issue, is that what you are doing?
00:56<deniz>ml|, well i was doing it from email instead but the whole issue is sending the contents of the file to the maintainter
00:57<deniz>(like im replying to an email the maintainer sent)
00:57<ml|>well you have the options above
00:58<arw1>deniz: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
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01:02<ml|>deniz: i don't use it, but you can also setup and use vnc between those computers if for X access instead of ssh with forwarding X
01:03<deniz>ml|, the whole bug is about no GUIs working
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01:06<ml|>deniz: if you are connected to other system thru ssh, X won't work at all without setting it up first
01:07<deniz>ok ill read up on rsync but i have to go for a bit, thanks for ur help
01:10<ml|>np, but i still don't fully understand what you are trying to do good luck
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01:43<Steven_JM>Hi all, what is the answer to this question?: http://pastebin.com/d389a9a28
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01:51<Steven_JM>sney: hwclock isn't there either, any other ideas?
01:51<sney>nope, sorry
01:52<Steven_JM>sney: thanks anyway
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02:08<muh2000>hi
02:08<muh2000>since the last apt-get dist-upgrade on squeeze, the phpldapadmin package doesnt work anymore. it always offers me the php file to download :(
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02:09<jm_>muh2000: http://www.miriamruiz.es/weblog/?p=380
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02:16<muh2000>jm_: doesnt fix it. the link is phpMYadmin related anyway
02:17<jm_>it's the same shit if it offers to download the page, and pay attention to the important detail of restarting the browser
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02:17<muh2000>jm_: i did that
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02:19<jm_>muh2000: then find out which apache2 and php5 package you have installed
02:19<jm_>that one is strictly for php called as CGI, for regular php it should be in php5.conf anyway
02:19<muh2000>what bugs me most is that the phpMYadmin works flawless
02:20<muh2000>it is in php5.conf
02:20<jm_>how about silly php files that only call phpinfo()?
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02:23<muh2000>jm_: they all work. except phpldapadmin.
02:24<muh2000>different vhost though.
02:24<muh2000>but same php conf
02:24<jm_>muh2000: does it work with other vhosts?
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02:24<muh2000>jm_: everything works except phpldapadmin :/
02:25<jm_>muh2000: no I mean does phpldapadmin work with other ones?
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02:26<muh2000>jm_ um what? work with other one how? what is under the definition of other ones?
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02:26<jm_>muh2000: <muh2000> different vhost though
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02:27<fbt> hi, my sound is not working on a fresh squeeze amd64 install with ATI
02:27<fbt> Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
02:27<jm_>wasn't there someone else with ATI and sound "not working" yesterday too? funny how they come in clusters
02:28<fbt>it might be because of 2.6.30, maybe?
02:28<jm_>judd kernels
02:28<judd>jm_: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14136); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
02:28<sney>probably. 2.6.30 changed the linux-headers layout and like a million things got boned because of it
02:28<jm_>fbt: cat /proc/asound/cards
02:29<fbt>jm_: pastebin right?
02:29<jm_>fbt: well if you feel like it
02:29<fbt>http://debian.pastebin.com/m34653433
02:30<muh2000>jm_ that would require reconfiguring the complete system. some vhosts run with suphp some without. phpmyadmin runs without <- would make problems with suphp since phpldapadmin is not in suphp root. but...:
02:30<muh2000>phpldapadmin: http://nopaste.org/p/aX9O14ZDX
02:30<muh2000>phpmyadmin: http://nopaste.org/p/aaQ6h7v8Q
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02:30<muh2000>both have suPHP_Engine off RemoveHandler .php php_admin_flag engine on
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02:31<muh2000>both are somewhere in /usr/share
02:31<muh2000>phpmyadmin is working, phpLDAPadmin is not.
02:31<muh2000>and that since the last dist-upgrade :(
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02:32<muh2000>i dont know why it is offering me that: application/x-httpd-suphp <<<--- see the suphp? (this is when i try to open phpldapadmin)
02:33<jm_>muh2000: I am not too familiar with apache, but there are some differences in those conf files - probably best to wait for someone more familiar with it
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02:34<rumpsy>how can install pidgin in my debian syatem
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02:34<jm_>phpmyadmin adds .php in its conf file, but phpldap only does it for php4 if I understand that correctly
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02:34<rumpsy>i having gaim in my debian system... how can i update it to pidgin
02:35<jm_>even lenny has pidgin
02:35<sney>aptitude install pidgin
02:36<rumpsy>sney: i get this error [Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "pidgin"]
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02:36<sney>aptitude update
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02:37<rumpsy>sney: now i get this error [W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B
02:37<rumpsy>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
02:37<rumpsy>]
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02:38<gsimmons>dpkg: tell rumpsy -about new archive key
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02:39<rumpsy>gsimmons: i can't understand
02:41<jm_>rumpsy: you ar eusing etch, you need to upgrade to lenny to get pidgin
02:41<gsimmons>rumpsy: Read the private message provided to you from dpkg. Also, pidgin isn't available in Etch. Either upgrade to Lenny or install an older release via backports.org (/msg dpkg bpo etch).
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02:41<rumpsy>jm: how to upgrade to lenny
02:42<weechat2>hi everyone i have a problem :p heh
02:42-!-weechat2 is now known as kmonk
02:42<kmonk>im using debian so i guess it's debian related, ? :)
02:43<jm_>rumpsy: read lenny release notes
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02:44<kmonk>trying to convert wma to ogg, but the output birate is much lower than the birate of the source file... using '-ab 2566k or 128k' has no effect :(
02:44<rumpsy>jm_ :okay
02:45<kmonk>seems like a simple problem but it;s been bugging me for about an hour now >_<
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02:47<craigevil>kmonk: using what app to convert?
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02:48<kmonk>oh hi craigevil, sorry for the absence lately, ^_^.... ffmpeg
02:48<craigevil>try just using lame like> lame stairwaytoheaven.wma stairwaytoheaven.ogg
02:49<rumpsy>while i do reload in my synaptic package manager i get error like this[]
02:49<muh2000>that is what it is looking like right now. nearly similar. i added the php5 part and still failure :/ http://nopaste.org/p/apV7YzBPI http://nopaste.org/p/a5aFslP8z
02:49<rumpsy>W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B
02:49<ml|>kmonk: not a good idea to convert lossly to lossly and ogg is more efficient
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02:50<kmonk>okok thanks, i'll try ;ame
02:50<kmonk>lame*
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02:53<kmonk>unsupported audio format v_v
02:53<kmonk>is the message that lame gives me
02:54<kmonk>hold on....
02:54<rumpsy>gpg: key 2D230C5F: "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debia n.org>" not changed
02:54<rumpsy>gpg: key 6070D3A1: "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@d ebian.org>" not changed
02:54<rumpsy>gpg: key ADB11277: "Etch Stable Release Key <debian-release@lists.debian.org>" n ot changed
02:54<rumpsy>gpg: Total number processed: 3
02:54<rumpsy>gpg: unchanged: 3
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02:55<ml|>kmonk: try with pacpl
02:55<kmonk>lame only does mp3, i would rather ogg,
02:55<kmonk>okie dokie
02:56<kmonk>looks good, thanks mate i owe you one
02:57<ml|>np
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02:58<rumpsy>gpg: key 2D230C5F: "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debia n.org>" not changed
02:58<rumpsy>gpg: key 6070D3A1: "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@d ebian.org>" not changed
02:58<rumpsy>gpg: key ADB11277: "Etch Stable Release Key <debian-release@lists.debian.org>" n ot changed
02:58<rumpsy>gpg: Total number processed: 3
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02:58<rumpsy>gpg: Total number processed: 3
02:58<rumpsy>gpg: unchanged: 3
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02:58<jm_>impressive
02:59<ml|>heh was about to !pastebin
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02:59<jm_>rumpsy: stop pasting
02:59<ml|>dpkg: pastebin
02:59<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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03:00<rumpsy>jm_:okay
03:00<rumpsy>i'm getting that error how could i get out of that..
03:02<jm_>rumpsy: gsimmons already told you via dpkg
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03:09<ml|>or try ..
03:09<ml|>dpkg: apt-key 9AA38DCD55BE302B
03:09<dpkg>gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 9AA38DCD55BE302B ; gpg --export 9AA38DCD55BE302B | sudo apt-key add -
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03:10<nano->What does {a} mean when installing new packages?
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03:10<nano->The following NEW packages will be installed: someprogram{a}
03:11<jm_>automatically installed
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03:14<yang>I noticed unrecognisable module, with the recent kernel-upgrade, I am wondering if the module is going to work with the next reboot, it's required for the connection - http://pastebin.ca/1534773
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03:14<nano->jm_: thanks!
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03:17<rumpsy>jm_ still i can't update my key...
03:17<rumpsy>Can you plese detail commands to do that
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03:18<yang>rumpsy: dpkg told you about it
03:18<jm_>rumpsy: read some 25-30 lines up
03:18<rumpsy>jm_: can you please give me a detal commands to update my keys.
03:18<yang>rumpsy: maybe the gnupg DNS times out for you
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03:19<yang>rumpsy: try "dig keys.gnupg.net" and select an ip instead of name, or even try multiple ips
03:19<jm_>rumpsy: no, you were told two times now, scroll u[
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03:21<yang>jm_: do I have any chance for "e100" module to work on reboot ?
03:21<mwiegand>Quick question: Is there a template for init files for new packages?
03:21<Ganneff>etc/init.d/skeleton
03:22<jm_>yang: I think those are probably just firmware updates, so if card works fine without them you're probably safe
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03:22<mwiegand>Ganneff: D'oh! Thank you, that was almost too easy. ;)
03:23<yang>jm_: I am crossing my fingers for reboot :)
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03:26<jmut_>hi. how can I stop service at startup. I tried update-rc.d cupsd remove and update-rc.d -f cupsd remove but still nothing
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03:27<jm_>jmut_: man update-rc.d tells you how to properly achieve it
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03:27<jm_>pay attention to this paragraph: A common system admini...
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03:32<rumpsy>jm_: okay man finally i got as ou said..
03:32<rumpsy>Thank you
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03:33<jmut_>jm_: thanks.reading
03:33<Takumi>hi all... here only to speak English?
03:33<ml|>yes
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03:34<Takumi>thanks
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03:34<ml|>Takumi: mative language?
03:34<jmut_>jm_: Example of disabling a service: update-rc.d -f foobar remove
03:35<jmut_>jm_: this doesn't work unless they mean something else. we're not talking package upgrades here...
03:37<jm_>jmut_: it works fine
03:37<jmut_>jm_: you mean if you execute this and reboot you will not have foobar running? assume no upgrades etc?
03:39<jm_>jmut_: yup, you can verify with: find /etc|grep foobar - it should list no symlinks in rc?.d dirs for foobar
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03:40<jm_>jmut_: it also lists files that it removed
03:40<jmut_>jm_: well it doesn't..thats true..but I see service running
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03:42<ml|> /etc/init.d/name stop without rebooting for now
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03:42<jm_>jmut_: yeah to stop it now see above
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03:44<vv__>hi..
03:45<cmot>Grr. Why does my server take so long after reboot until it's reachable again?
03:45<cmot>Answer, after a trip to the server room. Because I've hit shutdown, not reboot.
03:45<jmut_>jm_: ml| yeah..I know howto stop..idea was to never start...but anyhow guess I am stuck with this approach. thanks
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03:46<jm_>jmut_: what do you mean stuck? what else would you want to do?
03:47<ml|>it should not when you reboot from now on
03:47<jmut_>jm_: I want cupsd for example never to start at all. but I don't want to remove package all together
03:47<jmut_>ml|: but it does :(
03:47<jmut_>other option is I remov x attribute but this is lame
03:47<jm_>jmut_: right, this is the right method
03:47<jmut_>remove x ?!
03:48<jm_>if rc?.d S symlinks are not there, it will not start
03:48<xeon-enouf>jmut_: i use rcconf
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03:48<jmut_>find /etc/ |grep cupsd this returns only /etc/cups/cupsd.conf.default /etc/cups/cupsd.conf now I will reboot and see
03:49<jmut_>it shouldn't start right?
03:49<xeon-enouf>it's called cups
03:49<jm_>init script is called cups indeed
03:50<jmut_>grr.. ok. let me try now.
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03:51<xeon-enouf>i do recall older (other) versions also ... sometimes it was cupsys, sometimes cupsys-bsd .. or something heh
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03:52<yang>jm_: that "e100 module" has failed at boot time.
03:53<jm_>yang: try loading it manually - to be honest, none of my e100 cards ever needed a firmware to work
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03:54<yang>jm_: should i put it into /etc/modules list ?
03:54<jmut>yep. this did it. donno how I got confused with names :( thank you
03:54<ml|>!congratulate jmut
03:54<dpkg>Yay jmut, you did it!
03:54<yang>jm_: it used to work on 2.6.26, but with recent kernel upgrade it doesn't load (I have no physical access there, so I don't know what is happening)
03:55<jm_>yang: I was thinking simply load it via modprobe manually, not knowing about physicall access :)
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04:00<jm_>yang: my guess is it will fail to load even from modules, unless you / has the file but initrd doesn't
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04:00<jm_>your /
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04:04<vv__>hi, i use the cd "debian-502-i386-kde-CD-1" to install the debian,when i logo into it,only the background picture,no startmenu and the taskbar. why ?
04:04<jm_>vv__: are processes running? did you check ~/.xsession-errors?
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04:06<vv__>the program can run
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04:07<yang>jm_: http://pastebin.ca/1534803 will tell that it booted into 2.6.30, just the ethernet module was unable to load
04:08<jm_>yang: most likely yes
04:08<yang>jm_: lsmod in 2.6.26 tells that "e100" is loaded
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04:10<vv__>by clicking the mouse , there are some menu , i am a new linuxer,can you tell me how to check the xsession-errors
04:10<yang>jm_: I don't know if this is suitable for a minor bug report ?
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04:12<jm_>yang: hmm you'd probably want to figure out some details
04:12<jm_>it's a text file, cat ~/..xsession-errors
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04:20<milton>If there's no one active in the "help" channel could I ask for help here? If not, please tell me were I should go.
04:21<petemc>help with what?
04:22<milton>Configuring the network - as I had to skip that in the Debian install.
04:23<jm_>milton: man interfaces; look in /usr/share/doc/ifupwdown
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04:45<yury>anyone know if there is a solution to the "MAC is in deep sleep!" bug for intel 4965?
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04:48<Yoda-BZH`Wk>salut/hi
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05:00<rumpsy>i installed samba in my debian... how can connect my dos system
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05:01<rumpsy>can anyone help me in this case
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05:01<dr|z3d>!samba | rumpsy
05:01<bo>rumpsy, search for some manuals first
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05:01<dr|z3d>!samba
05:01<dpkg>Samba is a UNIX implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). Documentation resources: http://samba.org/samba/docs/ ("Using Samba, 3rd Edition" not yet available online), http://wiki.samba.org/ Backported Samba 3.3.4 packages for Lenny are available, ask me about <backports.org>. http://samba.org/samba/docs/FAQ/ http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Category:Category_FAQ http://samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net.
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05:02<rumpsy>okay i join samba channel
05:03<bo>gl
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05:10<djj>how do i find out why slim was removed from squeeze?
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05:11<arturjuma>Hi, I have Debian Lenny installed and run KPPP on KDE 3.5.10 witn USB Best Data modem. It's working but my provider switches off the connection every hour and modem is hanged at that time and can not connect again till I turn off the wire and connect it again
05:12<petemc>thats a shitty thing for your provider to do
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05:13<arturjuma>the others are worse in a way
05:14<gsimmons>djj: http://packages.qa.debian.org/slim and see news (which leads to bug #538921).
05:14<djj>gsimmons: thank you
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05:26<IAMERROR>wow what was that about
05:26<petern>bah, clive no longer works :(
05:26<IAMERROR>lulz
05:26<azeem_>IAMERROR: a netsplit, google or see wikipedia for more information
05:27<petern>which flash plugins work with youtube these days (apart from the real deal)
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05:31<ffws>petern: gnash
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05:32<petern>thanks
05:34<rumpsy>flash plugin fails to install in iceweasel
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05:36<petern>hmm, doesn't seem to work :s
05:36<petern>oh
05:37<petern>need more than just gnash :)
05:38<petern>or something
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05:40<petern>sort of works, heh
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05:42<Gun_Smoke>idea what mode +R is?
05:42<Gun_Smoke>xchat?
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05:43<Tekno>depends on network
05:44<Gun_Smoke>this one. I've never seen... * Gun_Smoke sets mode +R Gun_Smoke
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05:46<craigevil>Gun_Smoke: +R usually means identified
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05:47<Gun_Smoke>craigevil, odd.. 14:03 yesterday... -NickServ- You are successfully identified as Gun_Smoke.
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05:50<exsa09>hey.......
05:50<exsa09>ketemuan yuk
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05:50<craigevil>Gun_Smoke: i get this on oftc > Mode change +R for user craigevil right after i get the message that my cert was accepted
05:51<Gun_Smoke>humm...
05:52<ml|>i get... 12:21:09 [OFTC] -|- Mode change [+i] for user ml|
05:53<ml|>12:21:09 [OFTC] -|- Mode change [+R] for user ml|
05:54<ml|>http://www.oftc.net/ is down for me atm, i beleive in one faq the modes are explained
05:54<craigevil>ml|: yes thats what i get as well
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05:55<craigevil>Mode change [+i] then the message about my secure cert being accepted the +R
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05:58<ml|>here i get sure cert accecpted then those near the bottom
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05:59<ml|>*secure
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06:03<Gun_Smoke>I didn't think I was passing a cert.
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06:05<jm_>it's the same even for non-secure connections
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06:06<ml|>you get cert msg only if you have set it up to use one
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06:26<xeon-enouf>Gun_Smoke: +R (quiet unidentified) This mode prevents users who are not identified with NickServ from speaking in the channel.
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06:27<xeon-enouf>http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
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06:27<jm_>xeon-enouf: you are talking about a channel mode
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06:29<Gun_Smoke>so... if I'm +R then how are these getting though?
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06:32<xeon-enouf>usermode? in that case, i'd likely ask in #oftc if you can't find out through other means
06:33<xeon-enouf>jm_: usermodes (or lack thereof) are also channel/network specific
06:33<xeon-enouf>IIUC
06:34<jm_>xeon-enouf: yes, which is why listing those for freenode is probably not very useful for this server
06:35<xeon-enouf>Gun_Smoke: do something like /Gunsmoke -R see what hapens
06:35<Gun_Smoke>* Gun_Smoke :Unknown command
06:35<xeon-enouf>jm_: i'm under the impression that freenode and oftc share _things_ (exactly what and how much, i don't know)
06:36<jm_>xeon-enouf: are you connected on both?
06:36<xeon-enouf>Gun_Smoke: well, maybe /msg Nickserv Gun_Smoke -R
06:36<ml|>http://www.oftc.net/ is down for me atm, i beleive in one faq the modes are explained
06:36<xeon-enouf>jm_: yes
06:36<jm_>xeon-enouf: try /version on both
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06:39<xeon-enouf>jm_: ok, but i've been to whatever/wherever the oftc docs reside ;-) and have looked into the diffs, (or rather, when the impending homogenization commenced)
06:39<xeon-enouf>maybe it was just a trial period
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06:40<Gun_Smoke>>nickserv< Gun_Smoke -R
06:40<Gun_Smoke>-NickServ- Unknown command Gun_Smoke, /msg NickServ HELP for help.
06:40<xeon-enouf>but i recall freenode (about 1 yr ago) breaking default onjoin usermodes
06:40<Gun_Smoke>I dunno.. I guess I'm over it.
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06:40<xeon-enouf>so i then had to always set +C and +e myself formyself
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07:02<skainz>hi. in which package is top in ?
07:03<rudi_s>skainz: dpkg -L /usr/bin/top
07:03<rudi_s>skainz: Sorry, dpkg -S /usr/bin/top
07:04<skainz>rudi_s, well, thank you, i tried only dpkg -S top, which gave me way too much results. thanks.
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07:07<rudi_s>You're welcome.
07:08<xeon-enouf>skainz: dpkg -S `which <binary-name>` ; /msg dpkg apt-file ; look into using dlocate
07:10<skainz>xeon-enouf, ok, thank you, i didn't think about using the absolute path for searching.
07:10<xeon-enouf>np
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09:40<arw1>hello folks
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09:57<RoboShim>hi. I would like to pre-set some values using debconf-set-selections, but debconf-set-selections writes "error: Cannot find a question for". I would like to set these values before I install the package. Is there any solution for this problem?
09:57<RoboShim>thank you for hints
09:57<blackxored>I have two questions for you guys at #debian, first how to use a completely offline apt setup for a machine and using another one with fast connection for update/package install, I've setup apt-cacher-ng and rsyncing to usb stick but that wouldn't let me update, maybe I'm doing something wrong
09:58<blackxored>secondly, how it is possible to use sbuild or clone a lvm sid chroot to the offline machine?
09:58<blackxored>maybe debootstrap offline or something
09:58<blackxored>or clone lvm
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10:00<obie>Do u see better advantages for installing the net install package wise?
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10:02<blackxored>does the mail bug interface supports the bts it abbrev?
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10:03<blackxored>sorry about the last one, ok anyone ???
10:04<Maulkin>obie: you only download the bits you need.
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10:05<blackxored>I have two questions for you guys at #debian, first how to use a completely offline apt setup for a machine and using another one with fast connection for update/package install, I've setup apt-cacher-ng and rsyncing to usb stick but that wouldn't let me update, maybe I'm doing something wrong
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10:06<Maulkin>!ask
10:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:07<Maulkin>blackxored: I would suggest just using the point releases if you have a true offline environment
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10:07<Maulkin>And I don't think lvm can do what your'e asking for.
10:08<Maulkin>It may be useful for you to keep a local mirror of things which you can move from one machine to another.
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10:08<valdyn>blackxored: theres apt-zip
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10:15<obie>Thanx
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10:20<blackxored>Maulkin, I have setup apt-cacher-ng as I said, the packages install fine, but the lists, umm, that's another story, when i do apt-get update it tries to connect to the online mirror
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10:28<oigres>What's the command to protect a package (say a downgraded package) for not being removing when upgrades by apt are done?
10:29<petemc>!hold
10:29<dpkg>from memory, hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic) but that aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. Ask me about <why aptitude>.
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10:32<usuario21-08>ola
10:32<usuario21-08> qe onda
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10:34<oigres>tx!
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10:35<Maulkin>!dk
10:35<dpkg>hmm... dk is Hvis du vil tale dansk og få hjælp til debian, skriv /join #linux.dk in your irc client, also the country Denmark
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10:47<otavio_>ME MANDA SEU ORKUT
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10:47<otavio_>O emeio
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10:47<bja>!br
10:47<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:49<otavio_>em cade vc?
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11:00<kwalltert>saludos amigos debianitas
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11:02<bja>!es
11:02<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:03<bja>kwalltert: there is also a #debian-ve
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11:06<kwalltert>thanks
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11:10<spyder89>hello all
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11:50<Bayron>hola a todos
11:50<Bayron>alguien me puede ayudar ???
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11:52<Bayron>hola alguien me puede ayudar
11:52<cgc>!es
11:52<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:52<lavaramano>#debian-es
11:52<lavaramano>right
11:53<lavaramano>it's just me or the message for spanish speakers (in english) doesn't make much sense?
11:54<Bayron>sorry
11:54<Bayron>not problem
11:54<Bayron>dpkg: ok bro
11:54<dpkg>no idea, Bayron
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12:15<Twerp>Hallo
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12:26<RichiH>how can i tell lenny to take (back) control over grub's menu.lst? also, even a aptitude reinstall nor dpkg-reconfigure grub does not ask me if i want to use grub as the boot loader
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12:26<petemc>grub-install
12:26<petemc>or use the grub shell
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12:27<RichiH>yah, but that does not put it back under dpkg's control
12:27<RichiH>i don't want to manually redo menu.lst for every kernel
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12:28<petemc>RichiH: so if you install a new kernel it doesnt add entries?
12:28<RichiH>nope
12:29<petemc>not sure then, sorry
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12:29<RichiH>thanks though
12:30<themill>is it not editing the menu.lst or is it that grub isn't using that particular installation's menu.lst?
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12:31<karl_>RichiH: How did it "fall out of" dpkg control?
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12:33<psypher>Does anyone know what backtrack linux runs on?
12:33<Tekno>?
12:33<psypher>I think its debian not sure
12:34<psypher>Is there a command in linux to reveal information on the system?
12:34<gsimmons>dpkg: tell psypher -about backtrack
12:34<psypher>like msconfig?
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12:34<psypher>WOW, thanks, that was quick
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12:37<psypher>I have been trying to find a decent mp3 player that will work with backtrack
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12:37<psypher>And yes, I have googled it
12:38<psypher>Doesnt seem to be much out there
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12:40<psypher>Well, let me know of a good mp3 player if you know of one
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12:40<psypher>FOr B a cktrack
12:40<RichiH>karl_: no idea
12:40<RichiH>karl_: a cow-orker installed some random crap boot loader by hand
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12:41<psypher>does anyone know of a linux command to reveal system info.
12:41<psypher>I am quite noobish
12:42<bja>uname
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12:42<petemc>psypher: depends exactly which info you want
12:42<psypher>Thanks, I will try that now
12:42<psypher>Just general system specs, platfrom etcx
12:42<grummund>Hi, What permissions should be set on a dir owned by root:staff so that users in group staff can create subdirs which inherit the group staff permissions?
12:42<grummund>...or can it be done at all?
12:42<gsimmons>psypher: As mentioned by dpkg, BackTrack isn't supported here. Ask questions concerning it in #remote-exploit on irc.freenode.net.
12:43<psypher>thanks! Will do
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12:44<karl_>RichiH: Does your /boot/grub/menu.lst have the "BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST" and "END ..ditto" lines? If not, then I would not expect the update-grub script to touch it...
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12:44<nice-guy>guys, im using squeeze amd64, and my trash icon on desktop dont point to real folder
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12:45<themill>nice-guy: /msg dpkg trash ; I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but that's been the case for many years
12:46<Horrid>Find out the true statistics on the crimes that negroes commit at Chimp Out Forum! http://chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9680 We are not White Supremacists, rather we are Negro Inferiorists. We welcome all races that aren't Negroid. The criteria for joining Chimpout: Non-negroid and hates niggggras!
12:46<adb>!ops Horrid spam
12:46<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: Horrid spam
12:46-!-mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ
12:46-!-Horrid was kicked from #debian by stew [you should know better]
12:46-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@201.171.15.226.dsl.dyn.telnor.net] by stew
12:47-!-mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew
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12:47<themill>thanks, stew
12:47<petemc>apt name
12:47<nice-guy>if i try to open it, it shows a new and empty folder... i have tried to put something in it, it sends to real trash folder, but nothing appears on desktop icon
12:47<Maulkin>Akill added
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12:48<raboof>i'd like to enable wireless internet for 2 laptops, and have a 24/7 running debian machine
12:48<themill>Maulkin: that's a particular piece of spam that has been coming around every few days for some months :(
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12:48<Maulkin>themill: Does it always mention that domain?
12:49<raboof>am i right that I could just get a network card supported by hostapd, and skip buying an access point alltogether?
12:49<nice-guy>if i click on Desktop icon, it stay showing a empty folder
12:49<themill>Maulkin: yes, I believe so.
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12:49<Maulkin>themill: thanks, I'll add a trigger
12:49<themill>!beer Maulkin
12:49*dpkg deftly decants a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for Maulkin
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12:52<nice-guy>hey, and about fglrx? after upgrade it stopped working on 2.6.26-1 kernel
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12:58<netskillsii>hello everyone, need help with nautilus application, currently running Debian Lenny kernel 2.6.26 and gnome 2.22.3. After installing Httrack, restarted LT and Desktop files where gone but directory exist on command line. I tried launching nautilus actions config but get the following: "Failed to execute child prcess "nautilus-actions-config"
12:59<nice-guy>the bug is like this: bugs.debian.org/511071 but im using nautilus 2.6
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13:06<nice-guy>bye
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13:11<grummund>hmm, why does debian default to umask 022 ?
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13:12<grummund>since each user has their own group
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13:15<nooteh>where is located debian mirror's file?
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13:17<adb>cat /etc/apt/sources.list nooteh
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13:18<nooteh>thanks
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13:25<netskillsii>hello everyone, need help with nautilus application, currently running Debian Lenny kernel 2.6.26 and gnome 2.22.3. After installing Httrack, restarted LT and Desktop files where gone but directory exist on command line. I tried launching nautilus actions config but get the following: "Failed to execute child prcess "nautilus-actions-config"
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13:28<MontenegrO>op
13:28<MontenegrO>kako je
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13:44<Nigbjort>Read Chimp Out's Official Appology to the Feral Negro Beast! http://chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31766 We appologize here for all the bad we have done them! At Chimpout.com we are not White Supremacist, rather we are Negro Inferiorists! We welcome all non-negroid races. Critera for joining: non-negroid, and hates niiggggggers!
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13:46<bja>!beer Maulkin
13:46*dpkg deftly decants a fine Jever for Maulkin
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13:48<squelos>salut les gens
13:49<squelos>hi
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13:55*bja slaps squelos with a croisant and reminds him that english is the language of preference in #debian
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13:55<squelos>rofl bja. i thought i was in a another chan.
13:56<bja>thought so
13:56<bja>thats why you didn't get the !fr stuff
13:56<bja>mais quelque fois ilya pas de problem
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13:57<squelos>are you french too ?
13:57<squelos>i dont think so :p
13:57<squelos>because you forgot a e at probleme :)
13:57<squelos>good night craig
13:58<bja>no, i just know a few bad writen phrases
13:58<squelos>oh :)
13:58<bja>:)
13:58<squelos>its been a while since i didnt eat a croissant.
13:58<squelos>its not fun, no one is here complaining about problems :(
13:59<squelos>thats why i brought my problem.
13:59<squelos>I cant mount my second HDD ^
13:59<squelos>^^
13:59<petemc>what happens when you try?
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14:00<squelos>well i dunno, i added some lines into some file in /etc/ methinks. And when i boot it just says : /media/drive1 cannot be mounted
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14:01<petemc>try and mount it with the mount command before putting anything in /etc/fstab
14:01<squelos>i can see it in my computer, but when i try to open it, its says that i dont have the right to mount it
14:01<petemc>and saying things like "some lines in some file" isnt going to help people help you
14:01<squelos>ok, ill take the lines out of /etc/fstab
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14:02<squelos>/dev/sdb /media/drive1 ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 0
14:03<petemc>you havent specified a partition
14:03<petemc> /dev/sdb1 , if theres only one partition
14:03<petemc>fdisk -l /dev/sdb will list the partitions
14:03<squelos>theres only one partition
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14:06<abraham>squelos, i built an amd64 emerald.deb if you're interested
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14:06<squelos>oh yeah i sure am abraham.
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14:07<abraham>you'll have to install the dependancies of course
14:08<squelos>yeah :)
14:08<squelos>but its easier than compiling the stuff on my own.
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14:08<squelos>where did tu find the sources ?
14:09<abraham>i got them from a compiz on debian site
14:10<squelos>oh, i was looking for the sources but i cudnt find them anywhere. Im going to eat. ill be back in 10/15mins
14:10<abraham>accept the transfer
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14:10<jthomas_sb>can anyone tell me how to create a .zip file from the command line? I have 'zip' and 'unzip' both installed, but it is not very clear in the man pages for me. 'zip inputdir/ outputfile.zip' doesn't do it...
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14:11<petemc>3jlook at the EXAMPLES section
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14:12<petemc>jthomas_sb: look at the EXAMPLES section
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14:12<abraham>jthomas_sb, zip -b /dir zipfile.zip
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14:14<jthomas_sb>petemc i have; the example given creates a zip file which is much much smaller than the one that Ark creates in KDE
14:14<petemc>isnt that a good thing?
14:14<abraham>thats not right
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14:15<petemc>jthomas_sb: i guess the thing to do would be to unzip and see if the files are there
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14:15<jthomas_sb>they are not.
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14:15<petemc>which command did you run?
14:15<jthomas_sb>zip -r outfile.zip infolder
14:15<jthomas_sb>i haven't tried the -b
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14:16<abraham>zip zipfile.zip /dir
14:16<abraham>i think thats the correct way
14:16<abraham>after reading the manpage
14:16<jthomas_sb>that strips the leading folder, no?
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14:16<abraham>yes i believe so
14:17<ml|>To zip up an entire directory, the command: zip -r foo foo creates the archive foo.zip, containing all the files and directories in the directory foo that is contained within the cur‐ rent directory.
14:17<abraham>-r must be recursive then
14:17<jthomas_sb>i don't want that. and that gives the output, 'adding: foldername/ (stored 0%)' and the output has too-small size
14:17<jthomas_sb>-r is recursive, yeah
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14:18<petemc>ive just tested and it works fine for me
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14:19<xadmin>wasssuupp...doode
14:19<jthomas_sb>-b is the temp path, not needed here
14:19<petemc>http://pastie.org/588803
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14:19<abraham>jthomas_sb, its zip filename.zip /dir/to/be/zipped
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14:20<jthomas_sb>yeah wierd, it is working now, tells me the files its adding etc. honestly, it wasn't working before :(
14:20<jthomas_sb>ok thanks.
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14:35<paul_nm>can anybody tell me..
14:36<paul_nm>for what its this for???
14:36<olasd>what is "it" ?
14:36<paul_nm>is*
14:36<paul_nm>in can a new..
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14:36<olasd>what is "this" then?
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14:37<paul_nm>so i could use a little help
14:37<candelaresi>hello
14:37<candelaresi>i can't install a tar package....
14:37<bja>dpkg: tell paul_nm about es
14:37<candelaresi>i don't understand how i have to install?
14:37<flawd>I have came across the following error which is reflected in this bugreport for libhighgui : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=490700 . I use Lenny and libhighgui1 Version: 1.0.0-6.1 and libhighgui-dev Version: 1.0.0-6.1. What are your suggestions for sollution?
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14:40<paul_nm>thanx
14:40<ml|>candelaresi: you don't install tar files
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14:42<chealer>flawd: ask on the bug report
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14:43<flawd>ok
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14:43<squelos>abraham, can you send me the 64 emerald again ?
14:43<squelos>im back
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14:45<pbe>Does someone here have any problems with Xfce and Lenny after installing the latest upgrades? After I upgraded Debian Lenny the last time, the desktop and wallpaper disappeared and there is no interaction with the desktop whatsoever. This happened on both my computers.
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14:47<tofix>hi all, i would like to know which greylisting solution do you use ? (don't explain me why you dislike it ... :) )
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14:51<tofix>actually, i'm using spey, that seems just fine cause doesn' request any specifiq SMTP server behind, but it doesn't to be well prepared to have more than 40k mail in a day, which open solution do you use , and if possible which other proxy smtp greylistener do you know ?
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14:57<tofix>hey guys, noone use a greylisting solution ? :(
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14:58<olasd>tofix: I use sqlgrey here, we've got 4 MXs on two sites, with one postgresql base on each site, synched using.
14:59<olasd>hmm
14:59<olasd>using what
14:59*olasd checks
14:59<koollman>tofix: I use postfix-gld
14:59<olasd>bucardo
14:59<olasd>that's it
15:00<tofix>koollman : thanks but it's a kind of postfix plugin ?
15:00<tofix>olasd : bucardo ?
15:00<koollman>tofix: it is. (it's a 'policy daemon' for postfix and perhaps some other MTA that know how to speak to it)
15:01<olasd>tofix: yeah, that's what we use to synch the greylisting databases back and forth between our two sites
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15:02<olasd>we had a few problems with sqlgrey losing connexion to the database (problems like "making the smtpd process hang forever waiting for a response"), but now we don't have anymore problems
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15:04<olasd>we tried to use milter-greylist but the etch version seems to want to segfault every now and then, and we don't really want to upgrade the servers, so...
15:05<tofix>thanks a lot guys , but even i would prefer have to work with a postfix, i have to prepare 2 greylistner on 2 separate server placed before 2 antispam barracuda appliance connected to an Groupwise SMTP (novell) and i would prefer not to install a fully smtp server but just a psmtp (but i'm not an expert ...)
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15:06<tofix>olasd : actually , upper that 40k mail in a day mail are declarate like differed on the antispam appliance placed after the greylistner
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15:06<flawd>damnit. seems that using libhighgui from multimeda repos breaks img_convert in libavcodec
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15:06<vinicius>i would like to configure X to emulate the scrolling of my mouse, where is the best place to ask help about that?
15:06<koollman>tofix: the two appliances can't do greylisting ?
15:06<flawd>since I wont go through the hassle of downgrading I guess I'll make another debian install in virtualbox and get my app compiled there
15:06<flawd>annoying
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15:07<flawd>http://nuigroup.com/forums/viewthread/326/P15/
15:07<olasd>tofix: aw, that's what you get from using proprietary appliances ! ;)
15:07<tofix>koollman : surprised ? me too ... but no
15:07<olasd>s/from/for/
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15:08<olasd>so I understand you just want a greylisting frontend to your antispam appliance
15:08<tofix>olasd : yeah, you know i'm an opensource installer, and i try to put it in almost every situation , but i don't choose my customer's architecture
15:08<tofix>olasd : exactly
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15:09<koollman>tofix: you could try something like spey
15:09<koollman>never tested it personnally, but should do what you want
15:11<tofix>koollman : it's what i use :(
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15:13<tofix>koollman : and upper 40k .. .each incoming mail are declared as differed and truncated on the following appliance , changing concurent socket session numbers or session smtp delay on each side of this smtp communication helps for a better result, but the result of the situation is always 100% of incoming mail declared as differed and truncated
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15:18<koollman>tofix: well ... any other smtp proxy then ... but I'm not sure your appliances can handle many opened connections at the same time (which is provoked by the greylisting handling)
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15:19<koollman>I written once a smtp proxy that was a bit smarter about that kind of things (not opening connection to the next server until the greylisting was done).
15:19<tofix>koollman : it can , i handled it for
15:19<koollman>but it's not really made for production use :)
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15:21<tofix>koolman : ... :( , i'm lost, do you think that i can install a postfix in a minimalist configuraton just like a proxy and plug it an sqlgrey solution , and keep my smtp chain behind ? does it sound good for you ?
15:21<koollman>tofix: Well, I don't know enough about your mail architecture/load/everything else... but it seems to be a sane decision.
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15:22<misspiggy>hi folks
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15:24<tofix>koollman : so, i'm on ... thank you
15:24<tofix>olasd : thanks
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15:32<robson>channel #debian-sp
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15:33<robson>ip
15:34<edwin>there's a new fglrx-driver uploaded buildd.net says its built on amd64 but its not on the mirrors
15:34<edwin>can I download it directly from the buildds?
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15:48<eythor>I encrypted the root partition using dm-crypt in the debian installer with a passphrase. Is it possible to save the passphrase onto a USB stick. So I don't have to type the passphrase on startup? Could someone point me in the right direction?
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16:03<eythor>anyone?
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16:05<chealer>edwin: no. it wasn't built on a buildd
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16:06<chealer>craigevil: stop sending that message
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16:11<ml|>chealer: you're getting that i'm away message from craigevil also?
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16:13<rudi_s>ml|: Me too ..
16:13<ml|>rudi_s: ok, thanks
16:14<chealer>ml|: yes
16:14<chealer>seems to be be OK now
16:14<ml|>problably everyone is getting it connected on same channel craigevil is in
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16:15<ml|>this was the second one i've received
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16:15<ml|>chealer: thanks
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16:19<Cyclonos>hello
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16:20<knoppix_>guten tag
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16:20<bja>!de
16:20<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
16:20<Cyclonos>est-ce qu<il y a quelqu<un pour me donner un coup de main sur debian
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16:21<Guiiks>oui j'suis francais Cyclonos
16:21<Cyclonos>Bonjour
16:21<Guiiks>bonjour
16:21<bja>!fr
16:21<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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16:34<edwin>chealer: then where is the package? http://www.buildd.net/cgi/package_status?unstable_pkg=fglrx-driver&searchtype=all
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16:36<pl>hi
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16:37<bja>!pl
16:37<dpkg>polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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16:42<chealer>edwin: on mirrors
16:42<eythor>!is
16:42<dpkg>is is, like, the country code for iceland
16:42<edwin>its not there yet :(
16:42<edwin>9.7 is on the mirrors
16:42<edwin>and 9.8 for i386
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16:43<jidm>hi. How can i edit a mo file if i don't have the po?
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16:46<pl>bja: :)
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17:00<candelaresi>i have this problem
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17:00<candelaresi>i trying to open a file
17:01<candelaresi>i use $su
17:01<candelaresi>and then $kate
17:01<candelaresi>and i have this error
17:01<candelaresi>kate: cannot connect to X server :0.0
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17:01<themill>!root x
17:01<dpkg>If you need to run an X application as root (or another user), ask me about <sux> <gksu> <sshx> <mit-magic-cookie> <xauth> or look at kdesu and gksudo. Whatever you do, don't use <xhost> or try <running x as root>!
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17:03<ml|>or just use a different editor like vim, emacs, nano etc... that does not need X to run
17:03<candelaresi>no
17:03<candelaresi>all the proces said me the same
17:03<vinicius>how can i hide my computer from bing seen on the network?
17:03<petemc>use iptables to block icmp
17:04<vinicius>petemc, thanks
17:04<petemc>if you mean ping, and not microsofts search engine
17:04<themill>"being", I suspect
17:04<vinicius>petemc, and what about ms networks?
17:04<vinicius>themill, yeah.. i meant being =)
17:04<petemc>vinicius: bing is a search engine
17:05<vinicius>petemc, wow... how close =)
17:05<petemc>:)
17:05<ml|>heh
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17:05<petemc>microsoft spent a lot of money marketing it, i think theyd be annoyed you didnt know that
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17:06<themill>what is this "microsoft" of which you all speak?
17:06<ml|>yeah was about to say, ms has spend some coin on ads fron bing ;)
17:06<vinicius>petemc, i dont mind once i have a debian box
17:06<rudi_s>;-)
17:06<petemc>themill: ignorance is bliss
17:06<ml|>*for
17:06<themill>yay!
17:06<ml|>haha
17:07<vinicius>wel... if i block icmp no network will see me?
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17:07<petemc>vinicius: no, that will just stop people discovering you via ping
17:07<rudi_s>vinicius: No, it will know you're there.
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17:08<vinicius>petemc, ok...
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17:08<petemc>vinicius: you can use iptables to drop all packets sent to you, but im not sure if thats effective in hiding you
17:08<vinicius>petemc, do you know a iptables line by heart to do that?
17:08<rudi_s>vinicius, petemc: It isn't, you can't hide.
17:09<petemc>vinicius: reject everything on INPUT, but theres probably not much point
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17:09<bja>vinicius: do you know what tor is?
17:09<rudi_s>vinicius: iptables -A INPUT -m ctstate --ctstate ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT ; iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT ; iptables -A INPUT -j DROP
17:09<rudi_s>vinicius: But you can't hide with this.
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17:10<vinicius>rudi_s, so is there a way?
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17:10<rudi_s>vinicius: Pull the network cable ;-)
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17:10<candelaresi>how i test if my nvidia is correctly installed?
17:11<vinicius>rudi_s, =/
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17:12<ml|>candelaresi: usually if you see the nvidia logo when starting X, means it's working
17:12<vinicius>the lines you gave are useless against a network scan?
17:12<bja>vinicius: https://www.torproject.org
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17:14<vinicius>bja, cool... thanks
17:14<dioz>am i cool cause i have ipv6 ?
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17:15<rudi_s>vinicius: Depends what you want. The lines prevent anybody connection to the computer, nothing more. To be more polite you could use -j REJECT in the last rule.
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17:16<vinicius>rudi_s, ok
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17:18<abraham>squelos, you here?
17:19<candelaresi>thank... the nvidia logo apears
17:19<vinicius>snother issu
17:19<vinicius>another*
17:19<vinicius>ive got a wrong keyboard layout just on gnome-terminal
17:19<vinicius>is that a xorg.conf misconfiguration?
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17:50<nono>hey
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17:52<nono>you know an equivalent of Deezer?
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18:02<squelos>abraham ?
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18:08<abraham>yes
18:08<abraham>squelos
18:08<squelos>im here. The transfert didnt start, i dont know why :/
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18:09<abraham> /accept?
18:10<abraham>do you have im software?
18:10<squelos>im ?
18:10<squelos>i got xchat for gnome
18:10<abraham>instant message
18:10<squelos>how do i accept.
18:10<squelos>Like msn ?
18:11<abraham>type /dcc get abraham
18:11<squelos>oh yeah thanks
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18:11<abraham>n/p lemme know how it works
18:12<squelos>ok :)
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18:15<squelos>i got it :=
18:15<squelos>:)
18:15<abraham>cool
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18:17<squelos>humm, still need to find where the "download" folder is ....
18:17<h2>the businesscard installer appears to be broken, as are the older versions I have for this install, is there some other way to do the stripped down debian install at the moment?
18:17<squelos>it should be in home ?
18:17<h2>the may 31 business card iso fails on network setup, an older one fails on the debootstrap part, and the new one won't even boot
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18:20<squelos>abraham, i installed the packet. Now i need the dependencies right ?
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18:21<abraham>yeah if it says you are missing anything
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18:21<abraham>apt-get install -f should do it automatically
18:21<chealer>h2: which version of Debian do you want to install?
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18:21<h2>chealer: testing
18:21<h2>squeeze
18:22<h2>and if I have to use and learn debootstrap... well.... ubuntu starts to look a lot better, and I do not want to use ubuntu
18:22<h2>but if the installer doesn't even work, that leaves me with few options
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18:22<h2>how did this situation come about?
18:23<petemc>install stavble, upgrade
18:23<petemc>s/vb/b/
18:23<h2>businesscard isn't working at all
18:23<bja>h2: the normal way to install testing is by first installing stable and then upgrading
18:23<h2>can I do the stripped down install like oin business card?
18:23<squelos>bja => how else could you upgrade to testing ? O.o
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18:24<petemc>h2: you can opt not to install any packages with any of the installers
18:24<squelos>afaik, you cant install testing from a CD can you ?
18:24<chealer>!ops please kick craigevil, sending notices because he's away whether he's addressed or not for several hours.
18:24<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: chealer complains about: please kick craigevil, sending notices because he's away whether he's addressed or not for several hours.
18:24<h2>squelos: sure you could, with businesscard, it asked you which you wanted, stable, testing , or sid
18:24<Ganneff>hm
18:24<h2>it was nice
18:24<h2>but now it just fails
18:24<squelos>oh
18:24<RichiH>chealer: what triggers them?
18:24<petemc>i dont see any messages from craigevil
18:24<squelos>he sends some now and again
18:24<Ganneff>craigevil: .
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18:25<RichiH>craigevil: banzai!
18:25<squelos>nice seeing you tano
18:25<Ganneff>well. i got one in reply now, but nothing more yet
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18:25<h2>let me try downloading the big iso, but that defeats the purpose of using the small iso downloads, sigh
18:25<squelos>what about a netinst ?
18:26<RichiH>Ganneff: same
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18:26<RichiH>chealer: when you say the nick of someone, expect automated stuff to happen
18:26<azeem>is he sending the messages to people highlighting them, or to random people?
18:26<azeem>s/them/him/
18:26<squelos>hey, how can you qualifie linux when you are talking to someone who uses win32 ?
18:26<RichiH>azeem: afaict the former
18:26<RichiH>which is fine in my book
18:26<azeem>squelos: this is off-topic here
18:26<h2>squelos: I'm informed that the netinstall iso has the same failure to boot bug
18:27<squelos>h2, well i dunno then :/ What kind of hardware is causing that ?
18:27<squelos>azeem : sorry then
18:27<h2>squelos: well, the guy who told me this issue is ongoing has it, I have it
18:27<h2>so I assume it's wideranging, my case is older, socket 462
18:27<h2>standard mobo, gigabyte
18:28<chealer>h2: did you see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today ?
18:28<squelos>h2 : generally linux supports well old hardware.
18:28<h2>another guy told me he hasn't been able to install using the installer since lenny came out
18:28<h2>squelos: this appears to not be a linux issue but a debian installer issue
18:28<h2>the hardware is fine
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18:29<h2>but I prefer debian's package pool, but if I lose this type of time helping friends in the future, I'll have to stop using debian, sigh
18:29<squelos>yeah the hardware is fine, thats for sure. But then what in debian could cause that. Even with a minimal install ?
18:29<squelos>At what stage does it bug ?
18:29<h2>squelos: each release I have fails differently
18:29<squelos>lenny, squeeze, sid etc ... all fail ?
18:29<h2>may 31, fails on network setup, tonight's, fails on boot, and that boot failure has been there I guess for a while now
18:29<chealer>RichiH: as I wrote, he doesn't need to be addressed. his thing seems to have a delay before resending the away message.
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18:30<petemc>h2: you're free to ask for help with whatever problems you're having with the various installers
18:30<nikka>et.net
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18:30<h2>chealer: I think craig installed some new script in his irc client and doesn't know it does that auto thing
18:30<squelos>fails on boot => as soon as you put the CD in ?
18:30<h2>it's doing it on other channels too
18:30<squelos>well, once it should show up the menu ?
18:30<chealer>h2: hopefully, yes
18:30<h2>squelos: no, at usb detection
18:30<squelos>can you not deactivate the USB detection somehow ?
18:31<h2>squelos: no idea
18:31<squelos>i think you probly can.
18:31<petemc>"usb detection" works fine for the majority of people
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18:31<petemc>what isnt being detected?
18:31<h2>kernel hangs
18:31<squelos>petemc => its bugs at that stage he says.
18:31<h2>on usb part
18:31<h2>my old versions don't
18:31<petemc>what hangs?
18:32<h2>so it's clearly an introduced bug
18:32<h2>the boot
18:32<h2>kernel
18:32<h2>you know, the white letters on the screen, they stop
18:32<squelos>so : freeze at the usb detection for one version, at the network detection for another
18:32<h2>and on my old version, that used to work on most stuff, it fails at debootstrap
18:32<h2>this forms a pattern
18:33<petemc>what about "some guy", what doesnt work for him?
18:33<squelos>h2, id start stripping it. Start with just a ps2 keyboard and mouse
18:33<squelos>no usb stuff.
18:33<squelos>just the minimal.
18:33<h2>petemc: same on new iso I think
18:33<h2>doesn't boot up, hangs
18:33<squelos>that might do something.
18:33<h2>squelos: it doesn't boot
18:33<squelos>and have a look in the bios to see if nothing could be changed to help it out.
18:33<h2>never gets to the installer
18:33<h2>no
18:33<squelos>thats what im saying h2. it might help.
18:33<h2>not when other users report the same issues
18:33<squelos>oh
18:34<squelos>well the hardware is incompatible then :/
18:34<h2>I was hoping htere might be a stable version somewhere
18:34<h2>yes, apparently
18:34<h2>but it's not incompatible with the version from may or 2008
18:34<h2>which does boot
18:34<h2>very erratic, but the businesscard installer has been erratic now for a long time
18:35<squelos>why dont you install an old version then ,
18:35<squelos>?
18:35<h2>they don't work either
18:35<h2>I've already tried 3
18:35<squelos>oh, so old versions boot, but thats all, and the newer versions dont even boot.
18:35<h2>the new one has a known bug that a guy told me about
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18:35<h2>the old ones fail with various internal bugs
18:36<h2>I'll try some more old ones, I have a collection, lo,
18:36<h2>lol
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18:36<squelos>well im a newbie, cant help you much.
18:36<h2>this is an installer issue, it's been a problem now for years
18:36<squelos>but it seems to me that the hardware is incompatible.
18:36<squelos>what kernel are you using ?
18:37<chealer>!tell h2 about enter
18:37<h2>I seriously doubt I could find any linux 32 bit live cd that wouldn't boot on this box
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18:37<squelos>h2, with the old versions, is it still the installer that freezes?
18:37<h2>what, my sentences are on average longer than most here, oh well
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18:38<h2>squelos: I'll burn a few more and see, ok, back later before I hit enter again
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18:38<squelos>id throw away the case
18:39<squelos>abraham, i got the dependencies methinks
18:39<petemc>the chaps problem isnt hardware or software
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18:39<squelos>now, i need to launch emerald, is that correct ? And does emerald replace GTK ?
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18:40<abraham>emerald is automatic with compiz
18:40<abraham>just turn on window decorations
18:41<abraham>you'll have to d/l some themes first
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18:41<squelos>and how do i get the compiz fusion icon to come up on startup ?
18:41<squelos>compiz is launched on startup, but i dont have the icon :/
18:41<squelos>yeah, i got a theme :
18:41<squelos>:p
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18:44<abraham>there isnt an icon unless you install the icon package
18:45<squelos>i got the icon package
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18:46<squelos>abraham, if i add compuz fusion icon to the startup stuff, will it launch it at the start up ? and is emerald a windows decorator ?
18:47<abraham>yes and yes
18:47<squelos>is compiz fusion icon the exact command ? So how to launch emerald at startup now ? Same thing : emerald ?
18:48<abraham>it just launches automatically for me
18:48<abraham>do you have the config manager installed?
18:48<squelos>yes i do
18:49<abraham>check the window decorations box
18:49<squelos>i only have gtk in it. And its unchecked
18:50<abraham>check it
18:51<abraham>or go to preferences for emerald and install a theme then logout and login
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18:52<miksuh>emerald is not in debian
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19:05<themill>!qotd0
19:05<dpkg><PhatJ> ugh - i picked the wrong week to stop sniffling glue <Supaplex> PhatJ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_glues just for you :)
19:06<nice-guy>guys, i have problems with fglrx. After upgrade (Squeeze AMD64) i cant use fglrx anymore on 2.6.26-1. I have tried to install all ways, repositories, making packages and using the installer...
19:07<Hideo>bahahaha Supaplex is a funny guy
19:08<nice-guy>installation goes well, no problems on log... but when i try use fglrx on xorg.conf my notebook restart.
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19:09<nice-guy>im using Radeon X1200 (5xxx)
19:10<nice-guy>does anyone knows how to solve? i have already searched on google...
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19:11<nice-guy>and another doubt: there is a way to start installing squeeze by zero, from a CD iso?
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19:13<nice-guy>if there is no way with fglrx, ill try to make a new partition, and start Debian again... now with some experience... but i want to know if there is a way to fix first...
19:13<nice-guy>hey abrotman, are u the man to help me! :D
19:14<abrotman>in english?
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19:14<nice-guy>yes.. there are another language that you prefer?
19:15<nice-guy>ill repeat my problem for u
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19:15<abrotman>i'm waiting for you to type in english
19:15<nice-guy>i have problems with fglrx. After upgrade (Squeeze AMD64) i cant use fglrx anymore on 2.6.26-1. I have tried to install all ways, repositories, making packages and using the installer...
19:15<nice-guy>installation goes well, no problems on log... but when i try use fglrx on xorg.conf my notebook restart.
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19:16<nice-guy>im using Radeon X1200 (5xxx)
19:16<abrotman>don't use fglrx ?
19:16<abrotman>craigevil: TURN THAT OFF
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19:17<nice-guy>im trying to use fglrx again... it was working last week...
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19:18<nice-guy>after a 15 days without updates, i upgraded Squeeze amd64
19:18<abrotman>nice-guy: did you try the radeon driver?
19:19<nice-guy>and fglrx stopped working after that
19:20<nice-guy>yes im using it now... im a fan of opensource.. but its performance is very low... on 1280x800 it don't renders a video with xv.. x11 is not working well
19:23<nice-guy>(im a fan of Anime, and i download some 200MB .mkv episodes with full HD definition, it not renders well with x11 mplayer mode. xv renders well, but only work with fglrx)
19:23<Hideo>don't blame opensource, blame the hardware manufacturers for not opening the specs for drivers
19:25<nice-guy>i dont blame opensource.. but anyone know that the non-free ATI driver works better...
19:25<nice-guy>unfortunately
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19:26<Hideo>of course it does, people who made the hw wrote it
19:26<Hideo>nice-guy: have you looked at this page yet, http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
19:27<Hideo>I don't have ati stuffs so can't really help ya
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19:27<nice-guy>if opensource driver works better, or almost equal, its 100 times more cool for me
19:28<nice-guy>i know.., im using 9.3 on my ati x1200
19:28<nice-guy>cause it is r500
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19:29<nice-guy>ok... abrotman do you know anything about my problem?
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19:30<abrotman>i told you to use the radeon driver
19:30<nice-guy>im using it...
19:31<nice-guy>my doubt is how to make fglrx work again..
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19:31<abraham>reinstall it the kernel probably upgraded
19:31<nice-guy>i use radeonhd on 2.6.30-1, but i want to use fglrx on 2.6.26-1
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19:34<nice-guy>abraham, i have tried it.. from repositories, from ati-installer from website (9.3).. nothing wrong on installation or in log files... but when i try boot with fglrx instead radeonhd it just dont works...
19:34<nice-guy>it restart my computer like pressing a reset button
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19:36<squelos>nice guy, i might be able to help you.
19:36<squelos>i had some similair problem witht the fglrx drivers
19:37<nice-guy>thank you
19:37<squelos>try installing the drivers from the debian packages :)
19:37<squelos>It worked for me.
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19:37<nice-guy>i have tried, but the same happened...
19:37<squelos>black screen ?
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19:37<squelos>did you do the aticonfig --initial thing ?
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19:38<nice-guy>no.. whats happening is "reset" my computer. When the time comes to gdm start.. my computer reset
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19:38<squelos>ok.
19:39<squelos>well boot without launching the x server.
19:39<squelos>then type : aticonfig --initial
19:39<squelos>and startx
19:39<squelos>what GPU do you have ? i have a 4870x2
19:39<nice-guy>i have a Radeon X1200. Notebook
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19:40<squelos>hum.
19:40<nice-guy>the same happen... reset
19:40<squelos>did you download the good drivers ?
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19:41<squelos>and are you sure your system is up to date ? Do you have all the dependencies installed ?
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19:41<squelos>Because for the fglrx drivers to work well, i needed to install some of the packages that the ati installer (the pdf thing) says are recommended to install
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19:43<nice-guy>squelos, the driver was working last week
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19:43<nice-guy>after upgrade on squeeze amd64 it just stopped
19:43<squelos>well, downgrade to stable then :/ Something is probly broken
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19:45<nice-guy>downgrade?
19:45<nice-guy>something like reinstall from zero?
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19:46<nice-guy>if there is a way to do it without losing all my configurations...
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19:47<Hideo>nice-guy: first of all, did you use the fglrx driver from debian repo or from ati's website?
19:47<Hideo>the one from debian repo is basically the same thing, maybe a little bit outdated
19:48<Hideo>use it and follow the instruction on the debian wiki to rebuild the module for your new kernel
19:50<nice-guy>there is no new kernel...
19:50<nice-guy>its the old one.. it was working on it perfectly,,...
19:50<Hideo>didn't you say you went from 2.6.30 to 2.6.26?
19:51<nice-guy>no
19:51<Hideo>ok forget that then, regardless, did you build the module for your current kernel?
19:52<nice-guy>yes
19:52<nice-guy>3 months ago
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19:52<nice-guy>so i have a problem after updates 1 week ago.. and it stopped working
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19:52<Hideo>what kinda problem?
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19:53<nice-guy>when i try to boot-up with fglrx on xorg.conf, it goes well until the gdm...
19:53<Hideo>you have to provide logs and shits on a paste site, you can't just say it does not work and expect people here who know about this stuff to help
19:53<Hideo>!paste
19:53<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
19:54<nice-guy>but whe...
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19:54<nice-guy>but when it goes on gdm my computer just reset
19:54<Hideo>logs?
19:55<nice-guy>no logs ofv error...
19:55<nice-guy>all ok
19:55<nice-guy>off
19:55<nice-guy>i tried to reinstall drivers...
19:56<nice-guy>no errors found
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19:56<Hideo>still pastebin them, /var/log/Xorg.0.log /var/log/dmesg or /var/log/syslog
19:56<nice-guy>ok
19:57<Hideo>also you still haven't answered this question, 19.47.22 <Hideo> nice-guy: first of all, did you use the fglrx driver from debian repo or from ati's website?
19:58<Hideo>I would use the utility from ati to remove it and install the ones from debian repo
19:58<nice-guy>i used from site long time... but after the error i tried both.. none of them worked
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20:00<nono>i like debian
20:00<nono>;-)
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20:01<Hideo>pastebin your xorg.conf too
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20:02<nice-guy>http://pastebin.ca/1535765 http://pastebin.ca/1535766
20:02<squelos>abraham, its working now :)
20:02<nice-guy>and xorg..
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20:03<nice-guy>http://pastebin.ca/1535769
20:03<Hideo>nice-guy: I saw an error in your Xorg.0.log
20:03<nice-guy>what is it?
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20:04<Hideo>line 446
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20:04<nice-guy>my xorg is just with radeonhd, just trade with fglrx
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20:05<Hideo>I thought you're trying to use fglrx? why does the xorg.conf says radeonhd?
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20:05<abraham>squelos, cool
20:05<nice-guy>look up
20:05<nice-guy><nice-guy> my xorg is just with radeonhd, just trade with fglrx
20:06<Hideo>nice-guy: *sigh* the logs of fglrx when the problem occurs
20:06<Hideo>why would anyone want the logs of when the alledged problem doesn't occur
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20:09<nice-guy>but everytime it tries to use fglrx it reset...
20:09<Hideo>it should have written something in the logs?
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20:11<nice-guy>what logs do you need? ill restart comuter with fglrx, it will reset,.. so ill use on single mode, copy the logs and then change to radeonhd and send for the channel
20:12<nice-guy>its the right way?
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20:13<Hideo>nice-guy: change driver to fglrx in xorg.conf, boot up, let it resets, boot into single mode, copy/back up the logs, then change to radeonhd and upload to paste site
20:13<nice-guy>ok
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20:15<nice-guy>sorry what logs do you need?
20:15<nice-guy> /var/log/Xorg.0.log /var/log/dmesg or /var/log/syslog ?
20:15<Hideo>nice-guy: just the first 2
20:15<nice-guy>ok
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20:20<Hideo>damn, should have told him /var/log/dmesg.0
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20:24<FruityLoops>Hi, I currently have lenny installed and wish to reinstall, however upon booting the installer (cd netinst) I persistantly get hda: failed to get interrut (or similar) messages. Advice would be appreciated.
20:24<FruityLoops>It then fails to recognise and CD-drives and so the install fails at that point
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20:38<alphad64>hi all
20:38<alphad64>Hideo, adb
20:39<adb>salut alphad64
20:41<alphad64>not in debian-fr?
20:42<alphad64>long time
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20:44<vortek>Any one know the debian site that tells you the depends for a certian deb?
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20:45<vortek>eek sorry
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20:45<abrotman>cute ..
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20:45<abrotman>vortek: apt-cache depends <pkg> .. or packages.debian.org/<pkg>
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20:45<nice-guy>Hideo
20:45<vortek>Any one know the site im seeking? It's a www. I don't have debian instaald yet on this comp
20:46<abrotman>or ignore me ..
20:47<vortek>there used to be a debian site that would tell you the depends off a package, I,m trying to find it.
20:48<abrotman>vortek: apt-cache depends <pkg> .. or packages.debian.org/<pkg>
20:48<nice-guy>dmesg http://pastebin.ca/1535800 Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.ca/1535802
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20:49<nice-guy>I have the logs that Hideo tells me to copy...
20:49<dli>vortek, packages.debian.org
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20:50<nice-guy>abrotman, can u give a look on the logs?
20:50<abrotman>i know nothing about fglrx
20:50<abrotman>dli: stop copying me!
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20:51<dli>abrotman, sorry, didn't follow to the second line
20:52<abrotman>i said it twice :)
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20:54<nice-guy>(EE) fglrx(0): [FB] Can not get FB MC address range.
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20:58<vortek>Does any one know the debian site that lists packege depends?
21:00<abrotman>vortek: THIRD TIME .. http://packages.debian.org/
21:00<abrotman>holy crap
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21:01<dli>abrotman, including mine, 4th
21:01<abrotman>i know .. i bet he asks again in five minutes
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21:04<vortek>sorry
21:05<vortek>packages
21:05<vortek>ahh
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21:18<nice-guy>nobody can help?
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21:23<nice-guy>please anyone help
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21:27<chealer>nice-guy: just ask your question
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21:29<nice-guy>dmesg http://pastebin.ca/1535800 Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.ca/1535802
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21:29<nice-guy>Hideo say me to catch these logs.. my fglrx isnt working ...
21:30<nice-guy>it was working last week.. after some upgrades it stopped
21:31<nice-guy>i tried to reinstall, no errors, but when i try enter gdm using fglrx it reset my computer
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21:32<chealer>nice-guy: which Debian suite do you use?
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21:32<nice-guy>Squeeze AMD64,
21:33<nice-guy>Radeon X1200 (r500, driver 9.3)
21:35<chealer>nice-guy: are you aware that 2.6.26-1 is outdated?
21:35<nice-guy>i still booting on it..
21:36<nice-guy>i have .26-1 and .30-1
21:36<nice-guy>on .30-1 i will let to install all when i have more time...
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21:38<abrotman>.26-1 is still outdated
21:38<nice-guy>so, i though that the installation of a new kernel wont interfere on old
21:40<nice-guy>abrotman, outdated means no more support?
21:42<Hideo>nice-guy: I'm back, sry about that
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21:42<abrotman>it means there's a security issue in that version
21:43<abrotman>there is a -2- available
21:43<Hideo>nice-guy: btw just so you know I also know nothing about ati issues, I'm just looking for maybe an obvious mistake I can help with
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21:45<nice-guy>Thank you Hideo
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21:47<nice-guy>abrotman, but how can i use the new kernel if its dont give support to my GPU 3D acceleration? i use it to render some videos with xv
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21:47<Hideo>how do you know it won't support it?
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21:49<nice-guy>fglrx 9.3 are not supported by 2.6.30 kernel...
21:49<nice-guy>at least on Debian....
21:49<dli>nice-guy, can you use xserver-xorg-video-ati?
21:49<nice-guy>yes.. radeonhd too
21:50<dli>nice-guy, I don't want to hear anything about fglrx anyway
21:52<nice-guy>but i cant use xv mode on mplayer with radeonhd.. what cuts my performance watching my mkv files.
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21:53<nice-guy>the image quality is 3 times better on xv on my machine
21:54<Hideo>nice-guy: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg629906.html this looks like it maybe related
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21:56<Hideo>nice-guy: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=521655
21:56<Hideo>try it and report
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21:57<nice-guy>ok, libdrm
21:59<Hideo>nice-guy: a little tip for the future ;) when problem arises, look for the logs, copy the offending section and google it =P
21:59<nice-guy>ok
21:59<Hideo>now try and downgrade libdrm2
22:00<Hideo>what version do you have of libdrm2?
22:00<dli>nice-guy, I run the video-ati driver on r5xx, with 3d, xv, compiz, etc
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22:02<nice-guy>really? on mine i cant run Neverball
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22:02<nice-guy>video-ati
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22:04<Hideo>nice-guy: maybe dli can help you with getting radeon with hardware acceleration working, it's better to use radeon driver if your card is supported
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22:05<nice-guy>ok, dli what i need to do to have full 3d acceleration ?
22:07<dli>nice-guy, just remove fglrx, upgrade kernel to (.30), install the video-ati driver. X -configure, maybe
22:07<dli>nice-guy, you have to rmmod fglrx (maybe reboot)
22:07<nice-guy>rmmod?
22:07<nice-guy>video-ati?
22:08<nice-guy>xserver-xorg-video-ati?
22:08<nice-guy>installed
22:08<nice-guy>fglrx : removed
22:08<adb>!enter
22:08<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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22:11<nice-guy>i am using radeonhd on my notebook
22:11<nice-guy>so all of this are installed, what more?
22:12<Hideo>make sure you uninstall fglrx so it doesn't interfere
22:12<nice-guy>its uninstalled
22:13<Hideo>http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
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22:13<Hideo>it is not neccessary to change the identifier fyi
22:14<nice-guy>direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
22:14<nice-guy>OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
22:14<nice-guy>its right dli?
22:15<Hideo>doesn't look right
22:15<nice-guy>i think too
22:15<Hideo>"apt-cache show xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd" says your card, X1200 is supported though
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22:16<Hideo>nice-guy: you did install libgl1-mesa-dri right?
22:16<nice-guy>yes..
22:18<nice-guy>how to install an older package ?
22:19<nice-guy>i have a package installed on my system, its newer but bugged... how can i install an older one?
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22:19<Chipdancer>hiho
22:20<franck_>hye all
22:20<Chipdancer>how can I install a specific version of a package via aptitude or apt-get?
22:20<franck_>can someone use openbsd ?
22:21<nono>aptitude install package
22:21<Chipdancer>apt-get show winbind shows me 3 versions, 3.0.24-6etch10, 2:3.2.5-4lenny6 and 2:3.3.4-1 (from oldstable, stable and testing) and I want to install the testing version due to match my installed samba
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22:22<nono>use synaptic
22:22<Chipdancer>nono, unfrotunately, apt-get and aptitude insist on only offering me the stable/lenny version and wanting to downgrade everything else
22:23<Chipdancer>synaptic is insisting on downgrading libldap from testing to stable
22:23<Chipdancer>(aptitude installing synaptic, rather)
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22:28<Chipdancer>interestingly, aptitude show winbind only shows the stable version, not the testing version
22:28<twb>So I have libpam_ldap and libnss_ldap and slapd all doing their thing quite nicely.
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22:28<twb>Now, how do I make them encrypt their traffic (i.e. SSL)?
22:29<twb>Chipdancer: aptitude -t testing show winbind, or apt-cache policy winbind
22:29<Chipdancer>twb: -t, thanks! I missed that option
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22:30<Chipdancer>twb: thanks a lot, that worked a treat!
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23:15<dre360>hey all
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23:15<nono>hey
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23:31<nono>good night
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