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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-08-25

---Logopened Tue Aug 25 00:00:04 2009
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00:05<userless>sup
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00:07<vince>Good Evening, I was wondering if someone could assist me with getting the nonfree Nvidia Drivers working on Kernel 2.6.29 or 2.6.30. I am having nothing but headaches and google has failed me
00:08<sney>there's a bug with the kernel headers
00:08<sney>they changed the layout and it breaks module-assistant
00:08<sney>I got it installed just by using the nvidia installer. it's not officially supported, but it worked for me (tm)
00:08<vince>sney the Nvidia installer keeps telling me it has to be run as root even when I sudo the command
00:09<sney>su then
00:09<vince>how does that work in Ubuntu?
00:09<sney>ugh
00:09<sney>!ubuntu
00:09<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
00:09<vince>oh im sorry, I thought I was in the ubuntu room
00:09<sney>that's a bug too
00:09<vince>LOL What that i'm in the wrong room?
00:09<sney>ubuntu users come here by default, it's a long standing point of contention
00:09<vince>Yea big bug LOL
00:10<vince>Thats strange it didn't use to do that
00:10<sney>the ubuntu devs don't seem to want to fix it, even though it would take like 5 seconds
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00:10<sney>anyway
00:10<sney>sudo su -
00:10<sney>and then do your thing
00:10<vince>Well if Debian is not having these issues I may just switch anyway
00:10<sney>and it'll probably work! but if it doesn't, ask in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net instead. :)
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00:10<vince>I liked Ubuntu to start with but gettng answers in that room as of late has been like pulling teeth
00:11<sney>haha
00:11<vince>And i'm a little pissed at the way the've done some things lately
00:11<sney>well you're welcome to switch. I'm pretty sure the current stable release (lenny) is still on 2.6.26, which doesn't have the nvidia nonfree issue
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00:11<sney>judd: kernels
00:11<vince>The only reason I'm having to fight with this is because they started building the ipv6 into the kernel itself.
00:11<vince>But left no way to disable it in the older kernels
00:12<sney>hrm
00:12<vince>My ISP dosen't support IPV6 so I am getting horrible latency when trying to do some things, For websites and email it dosen't matter
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00:12<vince>But it kills anything that streams
00:12<sney>weird, I seem to have ipv6 enabled but I haven't noticed any slowdowns
00:12<sney>maybe it's NIC-specific
00:12<vince>Its a well known issue
00:13<vince>Do a google search for disable IPV6 Ubuntu and you'll get page fulls
00:13<vince>But the attitude I get from the devs seems to be, "Bug your ISP to upgrade its the new standard"
00:13<sney>hah man that's rich
00:13<sney>yeah I'll get right on annoying bellsouth to support something they don't care about
00:14<vince>I like open standards as much as the next guy but theres also the practical fact that my ISP "the death star" could give to tinkers damn what I want
00:14<vince>Your on the old bellsouth network?
00:14<vince>Where at if I may ask?
00:14<sney>nah, I just saw your hostmask when you joined. but I've heard no end of complaints about them, they're second to comcast in the "waaah my isp sucks" department
00:14<vince>Yea
00:15<vince>Guess what my 2 choices here are?
00:15<vince>LOL
00:15<sney>haha
00:15<cheal>please stick to topic
00:15-!-cheal is now known as chealer
00:15<vince>I went with the devil I work for
00:15<vince>anyway
00:15<sney>hi chealer. nice to see you're still patrolling this area.
00:15<sney>anyway, can't you disable ipv6 by passing 'noipv6' to the kernel at boot?
00:15<vince>disable.ipv6
00:15<vince>And the older kernels don't support it
00:15<sney>ah, figures.
00:16<vince>Like I said they built it in with no way to shut it off
00:16<vince>29 and 30 can
00:16<sney>typical ubuntu lack of foresight
00:16<vince>But I can't get the binary NVidia drivers to load on it
00:16<sney>switch to debian! we'll make your shit work.
00:16<vince>I just might
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00:16<sney>I'm running 2.6.30 with the nvidia-nonfree right now
00:17<vince>I've been an Ubuntu user for years but Im starting to think they're getting too big for their britches
00:17<sney>you're probably at the point where you don't need them to hold your hand as well
00:18<sney>debian has the same basic framework and an identical package management system, it's just more established, has a larger and more helpful userbase, and is better
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00:18<sney>http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst :D
00:18<vince>Does the installer recognize other OS's and configure grub at start?
00:19<vince>If I trash my XP install my wife will literally kill me
00:19<sney>other OSes as in windows? yes.
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00:19<Guest170>su
00:19<Guest170>sup
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00:19<vince>Do you hang out in here often sney?
00:19<sney>yep
00:19<vince>Tell you what then
00:19<sney>if my computer is on, I'm here
00:20<vince>I'm going to run over to the Ubuntu channel then and see if I can get some help
00:20<vince>If not, You'll see me in here tommorow hopefully on a fresh Debian install
00:20<sney>heh, good luck
00:20<vince>Maybe later tonight
00:20<vince>Thanks
00:20<sney>no prob
00:21<sney>!seen judd
00:21<dpkg>judd <n=stew@unaffiliated/stew/bot/judd> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3h 10m 19s ago, saying: 'abrotman: qc-usb-source -- etch: 0.6.6-1 lenny: 0.6.6-6 sid: 0.6.6-6 squeeze: 0.6.6-6'.
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00:47<jacksy>Hello everybody
00:47<jacksy>can any body plz guide me how to install adobe flash CS3 on ubuntu 8.10
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00:49<sney>!ubuntu
00:49<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
00:49<sney>it's as if they're blind to the "now talking on #debian" thing
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00:50<ml|>maybe someday ubuntu developers will fix that xchat bug
00:51<sney>doubtful
00:52<ml|>can't understand why they haven't fixed it, in my view it makes ubuntu look bad, can't even send users to correct irc server and channel
00:54<sney>I can't find it in their bug tracker
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00:56<sney>even the debian xchat install doesn't send users here by default, so it's not even like they just copied the debian xchat.conf without thinking
00:56<sney>someone put that in there
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00:57<ml|>i looked in the past didn't find it either, guess this happens mostly to new users and they problably have no clue about reporting bugs, yes seems king of intentional
00:58<sney>almost makes me want to install ubuntu in a vm or something, just so I can see the exact bug in action and report it
00:58<ml|>s/king/kind
00:59<sney>heh, cool, squeeze has ia32-libs-gtk now
00:59<sney>google chrome works :D
00:59<ml|>yes i've thought of doing that too
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01:01<ml|>congrats :)
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01:19<sney>stupid cd tray won't stay closed
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01:26<FLE>moo
01:30<FLE>hello
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01:57<vince>sney: I'm baaaaaccccck
01:58<sney>still on ubuntu though
01:58<vince>Yea, but tommorow I think its gone
01:59<vince>I just got ran out of #ubuntu for making a less than flatering comment
01:59<sney>ha
01:59<sney>well you shouldn't do that here, either :P
02:00<sney>but now you're going to tell me you were provoked because they were useless
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02:04<vince>They kept telling me to file a bug etc etc
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02:04<vince>I showed them there were already SEVERAL opened on the issue
02:05<sney>sometimes you just have to wait for bugs to be fixed
02:05<sney>but thankfully here there are usually workarounds
02:05<sney>for that issue, there are definitely workarounds.
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02:06<vince>They basicly told me it wasn't their fault and shot me a guide that was built for a version of ubuntu 2 versions ago.
02:06<vince>That I had already read over and had a soluton in it that started causing my NVIDIA bug
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02:06<vince>and I got irate and said Ready for the desktop my *ss
02:07<sney>so what you want now is the debian netinst for squeeze, which is the current "testing" version of Debian that ships with 2.6.30 by default. It's not as stable as the aptly-named "stable", but if you know what you're doing it'll be no problem, and enough people in here are using squeeze that support is always available
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02:08<sney>netinst is a small cd ISO that installs the bare base system and downloads the rest as needed. it's more efficient than a full size iso. I can't remember if ubuntu has one, but they probably don't.
02:09<vince>sney : Does debian have Compiz enabled by default or do I have to install and configure it?
02:09<vince>Ubuntu has that, called NetInstall
02:09<sney>install and configure, but there's information enough on the debian wiki under http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz and as far as I know it's totally painless under Gnome.
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02:11<sney>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/
02:11<vince>sney, Ok, How hard is it going to be to install the Nvidia driver under Debian with that kernel?
02:12<sney>the current "debian way" to do it is broken (there's a bug filed, they're working on it) so I used the nvidia installer and it worked perfectly
02:12<vince>I tried the nvidia installer under ubuntu, It said it installed successfully and crashed X on boot
02:13<vince>Hopeing Debian fairs better but if its all the same underlying system.................
02:13<sney>well if it doesn't work switch xorg.conf back to the "nv" driver and we'll sort it out
02:13<vince>\gona be on tommorow night?
02:13<vince>It's too late and I have to be at work in the morning
02:14<sney>can't see why I wouldn't be
02:14<vince>I've spent too long on this as it is, I just realized I should have been in bed an hour ago
02:14<sney>and there are other people who can help too
02:14<vince>Damn *nix systems always keep me up late LOL
02:14<sney>been there
02:16<vince>Ok sney, I appreciate the help and the offer to get me started with Debian, I'll get that ISO and drop in tommorow and let you know how its going
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02:45<Yoda-BZH`Wk>salut/hi
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02:45<woocyfear>Hello everybody
02:45<woocyfear>I need some help.
02:46<woocyfear>I have bought a webcam - Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. USB 1.1 WebCam
02:46<woocyfear>and i would like to get it work
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02:47<woocyfear>i installed the gspca module, and i do modprobe gspca
02:48<woocyfear>but in skype, cheese, ... ,there is no picture
02:48<woocyfear>please help me
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02:50<woocyfear>what do i do?
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02:53<woocyfear>any idea?
02:54<chealer>woocyfear: which Debian suite do you use?
02:54<woocyfear>lenny - 2.6.26-2
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02:57<woocyfear>what could be the problem
02:58<chealer>woocyfear: which chipset does your webcam use?
02:58<woocyfear>how can i view it?
02:58<woocyfear>lsusb says - Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. USB 1.1 WebCam
02:59<woocyfear>Bus 002 Device 009: ID 0ac8:307b Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. USB 1.1 WebCam
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03:01<woocyfear>this is what you asked?
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03:03<chealer>woocyfear: tha's just the webcam's name (and some other information). perhaps running lsusb verbose can tell you. otherwise, you'd need to check specifications or "google it"
03:04<chealer>woocyfear: are you sure your webcam is supported?
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03:06<woocyfear>at gspca i read, Z-Star is supported
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03:09<woocyfear>Manufacturer: Vimicro Corp.
03:10<woocyfear>i not found chipset
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03:11<chealer>woocyfear: manufacturer doesn't help. where exactly do you read that?
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03:11<tcsetattr>gspca_core.c: {USB_DEVICE(0x0ac8, 0x307b)}, /* Ldlc VC302+Ov7620 */
03:12<woocyfear>at lsusb -v
03:12<woocyfear>what is this tcsetattr?
03:13<tcsetattr>that's a line from the gspca driver's source code, which shows that the 0ac8:307b device is indeed one that it is supposed to recognize
03:13<tcsetattr>look at dmesg for what the driver said when it was loaded, and what it says when the device is unplugged and re-plugged
03:13<woocyfear>so my webcam is supported??
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03:19<woocyfear>nothing happens in /var/log/dmesg when a unplug ang plug in again the webcam
03:20<woocyfear>oh i found something
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03:21<woocyfear>http://pastebin.com/d12edfd30
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03:22<woocyfear>do you see what you asked?
03:24<tcsetattr>looks like a success from here
03:24<woocyfear>then what now?
03:25<tcsetattr>by the way, /var/log/dmesg isn't a live file. it updates only during a reboot, for recent messages you run the dmesg command and for a full log of old and new stuff you look at /var/log/kern*
03:25<woocyfear>in skype my webcam is on the list at video options
03:25<ogt>hey, can't get my wifi working in Lenny? my wireless card show up in iwconfig but.. when i use network monitor to enable.. nothin happens?
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03:26<ogt>also, ifup wlan0 says: Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0.
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03:27<woocyfear>this is in the /var/log/kern too
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03:28<woocyfear>what now?
03:28<gsimmons>ogt: You'll need to define wlan0 within /etc/network/interfaces prior to using ifup. What wireless device do you have?
03:29<ogt>broadcom gigabit chip in a dell laptop
03:29<ogt>not sure the exact specs, i see it in startup, and again uner iwconfig
03:30<ogt>gsimmons, ill check this out, thanks
03:31<chealer>woocyfear: do you get the same error from luvcview?
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03:34<woocyfear>http://pastebin.com/d7a5342e6
03:34<ogt>hm, i don't see anything about it in lsmod
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03:38<gsimmons>ogt: What does 'grep PHYSDEVDRIVER /sys/class/net/wlan0/uevent' return?
03:38<woocyfear>what now?
03:39<ogt>PHYSDEVDRIVER=b43
03:39<gsimmons>ogt: That driver requires firmware from userspace for its use. Have you installed this?
03:40<ogt>im readin some things here, when it loads i see the huh broadcom device sroll by, i thought it reconised it but i don't think so,
03:40<gsimmons>dpkg: tell ogt -about b43-fwcutter
03:40<ogt>no, this is the first time i've installed wireless, OR used debian so, im gettin her slowly
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03:41<ogt>thanks gsimmons
03:42<woocyfear>what i do now?
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03:45<tcsetattr>woocyfear, could this be as simple as a permission problem?
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03:46<woocyfear>i don't understand. i have root privileges
03:47<tcsetattr>never mind then
03:47<woocyfear>so, what now?
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03:48<woocyfear>as root i got the same error in luvcview
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03:51<dehqan>good day everybody ,how can this problem be fixed ?
03:51<dehqan>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
03:51<dehqan> libxml2-dev: Depends: libxml2 (= 2.6.32.dfsg-5+lenny1) but 2.7.3.dfsg-2+b1 is to be installed
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03:52<woocyfear>please help me
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03:52<chealer>woocyfear: did you "google" the error message?
03:52<dehqan>Will it have problem if be forced to install upper version of libxml2 ?
03:53<woocyfear>yes but nothing helpful found
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03:55<woocyfear>i'm new in linux
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03:59<woocyfear>help
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04:01<woocyfear>help
04:02<chealer>woocyfear: it seems to be buggy. there's a tiny thread about it on http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=20090119094111.01c9b6d4%40free.fr&forum_name=spca50x-devs
04:02<chealer>hope you enjoy French
04:02<ogt>in the package manager when i click on certain apps, it says the list of applications is not available/ reload close like it thinks im not online or something
04:02<woocyfear>i don't speak french
04:03<ogt>woocyfear, can you read french?
04:03<ogt>heh, maybe google translate?
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04:05<dehqan>any opinion ?
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04:09<chealer>!wayttd dehqan
04:09<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, dehqan?
04:10<juzam>Ok I'm french
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04:11<juzam>it says that you need to do 1) after each reboot
04:11<juzam>2) is needed just after a new version of the driver or kernel
04:11<juzam>* just ->only
04:12<dehqan>dpkg while installing libxml2-dev
04:12<dpkg>dehqan: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
04:12<dehqan>faces this error
04:12<dehqan>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
04:12<dehqan> libxml2-dev: Depends: libxml2 (= 2.6.32.dfsg-5+lenny1) but 2.7.3.dfsg-2+b1 is to be installed
04:13<dehqan>how is possible to force it to install upper version ?
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04:18<dehqan>lenny has been upgarded to lenny3
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04:19<josi>Hello, .... Yes I know X11 doesnt need any configuration , but Id like to change the default keymap, dpkg-reconfigure actually asks me which one I want, but doesnt write any Xorg.conf. how can I get a Xorg.conf ? ( this is squeeze )
04:19<dehqan>maybe it is because of that apt-get upgarde
04:19<dehqan>maybe apt-get dist-upgarde should be done ?
04:20<ogt>wtf am i here still?
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04:21<ogt>!ping
04:21<dpkg>Yes, ogt, you are online.
04:21<ogt>thanku
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04:22<dehqan>I'll be thankfull i you guide
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04:24<dehqan>does
04:24<dehqan>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
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04:24<dehqan>conttain which version of libxml ?
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04:25<gsimmons>dpkg: tell josi -about xorg config
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04:28<dehqan>in securiy rep there is that package
04:28<dehqan>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libxml2&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all
04:28<dehqan>but
04:29<dehqan>in source list this is set
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04:30<dehqan>deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main contrib non-free
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04:30<dehqan>dpkg what is your opinion ?
04:30<dpkg>dehqan: what are you talking about?
04:31<dehqan>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
04:31<dehqan> libxml2-dev: Depends: libxml2 (= 2.6.32.dfsg-5+lenny1) but 2.7.3.dfsg-2+b1 is to be installed
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04:31<Gold24>dehqan: give full contents of siurces.list
04:32<dehqan>while rep is ok
04:32<dehqan>deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main contrib non-free
04:33<dehqan>just that is set
04:33<Gold24>that is the only thing you have in sources.list+
04:33<dehqan>gold24 just in source list now this is set
04:33<dehqan>deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main contrib non-free
04:33<dehqan>yes
04:33<dehqan>now
04:35<dehqan>http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/libxml2/download
04:35<wekt>josi: there are multiple ways. The server X has a parameter, perhaps -configure to generate one.
04:35<dehqan>above link says rep is ok
04:35<dehqan>is not it ok ? gold24 dpkg ?
04:36<ogt>gsimmons, you still around?
04:36<Gold24>and what is the output of dpkg -l libxml*
04:37<dehqan>ii libxml2 2.7.3.dfsg-2+b GNOME XML library
04:37<gsimmons>ogt: Were you able to resolve your issue?
04:37<Gold24>dehqan: what did you have in sources.list?
04:37<dehqan>deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main contrib non-free
04:38<Gold24>dehqan: before you started removing lines
04:38<ogt>i had to install some other things to compile the fwcutter, i got a list of four .o im not sure how to pick which one i need?
04:38<dehqan>yes before that
04:38<ogt>how to probe the comps wlan card?
04:38<dehqan>#deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
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04:39<dehqan>was not comment out and debian has been upgarded with apt-get upgarde
04:39<dehqan>maybe it's upper version is installed from that rep
04:39<dehqan>yes ?
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04:40<dehqan>what is differences between apt-get upgarde and dist-upgarde
04:40<dehqan>?
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04:41<gsimmons>ogt: I'm not sure what you are asking. Are you after details concerning device identification?
04:41<wekt>dehqan: dist-upgrade uses your set selections, 'upgrade' updates installed packages
04:42<dehqan>set selection ?
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04:42<ogt>yea. they are identified by microcodes?
04:43<dehqan>wekt what do you mean of set selection ?
04:43<wekt>dehqan: when you install the system, you choose sets of packages, like "desktop environment'
04:43<wekt>What is the Debian way(s) to not start the display manager (gdm,kdm) even when they are installed?
04:43<dehqan>ok and after installing os how can find out what is set ?
04:44<wekt>dehqan: aptitude
04:44<dehqan>thanks
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04:47<gsimmons>ogt: You can use `lspci -nn' to determine the device's PCI-ID, but this doesn't always correlate with the Chip-ID within; use `grep b43-phy0 /var/log/dmesg' for this detail.
04:47<ml|>wekt: /msg dpkg nodm
04:49<ogt> Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4320] (rev 03)
04:49<ogt>thank!
04:50<gsimmons>ogt: Also, you shouldn't be required to compile b43-fwcutter. It is available as a Debian package in contrib.
04:50<ml|>dpkg: seen judd
04:50<dpkg>judd <n=stew@unaffiliated/stew/bot/judd> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7h 39m 14s ago, saying: 'abrotman: qc-usb-source -- etch: 0.6.6-1 lenny: 0.6.6-6 sid: 0.6.6-6 squeeze: 0.6.6-6'.
04:50<ogt>oh well i got the .c from somewhere
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05:02<dehqan> wekt system damaged !
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05:03<dehqan>now after seeing that libxml2 version is upper than it was required ,this has been done > apt-get remove libxml2
05:03<dehqan>after that many packages have been removed
05:04<dehqan>now many app are not in menu
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05:05<dehqan>how is it possible to restore damaged system ?
05:05<wekt>I do not know why they were removed. Will apt automatically remove depending packages if one tells it to remove a basis package?
05:06<wekt>In aptitude, put your cursor on the package sets you want and select install.
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05:07<wekt>If it is a problem to have too high a version of a package, the package tools will tell you. you do not need to remove them yourself. If you were to install a new version of an installed package, you would do it with 'apt-get install' or 'aptitude install'.
05:08<dehqan>no see now many packages have been removed
05:08<dehqan>and many software are not in menu now
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05:11<wekt>run it at the command line or the console
05:11<dehqan>what command ?
05:12<dehqan>thanks for now
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05:14<Saa_Ruky>holaa!!
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05:16<josi>wekt: thanks
05:16<josi>( about the xorg.conf
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05:23<kardan_>in a bugreport: should I attach a patch as file or inline?
05:25<jackyf>kardan_: as file is better I'd say
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05:27<kardan_>jackyf: thanks
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05:33<Tinnsoldat>debian support e1000e now?
05:33<Tinnsoldat>lenny
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05:36<handjob>Good morning gentleman! To what group i need to add user to let him shut down / reboot etc. system?
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05:56<djj>handjob: powerdev
05:56<handjob>djj, Thank you.
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05:58<handjob>djj, Well the problem is i don't have that group.
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06:03<ml|>handjob: why just set it up with sudo
06:03<ml|>*not
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06:09<Sascha>Hallo
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06:10<Sascha>hatt grade einer zeit ich breucht ne kleine hilfe ?
06:10<handjob>ml|, I am not sure am i following. If you grant user sudo privilages he can automaticly close system? However i would like to learn how to do it using group.
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06:10<ml|>handjob: in sudoers file edit with visudo and add 'user ALL = /sbin/shutdown'
06:10<handjob>ml|, Thank you.
06:10<ml|>handjob: yes, or michel ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown
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06:11<Sascha>spricht hier einer deutsch ?
06:11<ml|>heh replace michel with your user ;)
06:11<handjob>nein <3
06:11<Sascha>^^
06:11<ml|>!de
06:11<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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06:12<Sascha>thx
06:12<ml|>handjob: man visudo sudo sudoers for more info
06:13<ml|>np
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06:14<handjob>ml|, Thank you very much.
06:14<ml|>np
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06:15<nitroman>et
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06:15<handjob>Oh i forgot to ask. I assume that 'name ALL = ...' won't work till i add user to sudo?
06:16<ml|>that is what you are doing
06:16<handjob>ml|, Ah now i get it. Should it work instantly?
06:16<ml|>it should iirc yes
06:17<handjob>; S
06:17<ml|>handjob: but read the manpages so you understand it all
06:18<handjob>ml|, Will do.
06:19<ml|>handjob: another thing you can do to restart atleast is ctrl-alt-del in a tty
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06:21<ml|>handjob: security wise i think it's best to use with password
06:21<ml|>'sudo shutdown' i mean
06:23<handjob>ml|, And if i would add /sbin/shutdown to some group for example 'mementomori' and added my user to that group would that work as well?
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06:25<Gekz>lol
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06:25<ml|>handjob: dunno, i haven't messed with groups much,
06:25<handjob>ml|, Ok thx.
06:27<ml|>np, some else around here might be able to help you, just ask the channel the question
06:27<ml|>*someone
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06:28<ml|>haha
06:29<ml|>dpkg: qotd221
06:29<dpkg><themill> dooglus: are you in the plugdev group? <dooglus> themill: I'm not affiliated to any organization, and I'm not interested thank you.
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06:30<ml|>handjob: /msg dpkg groups might help
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06:34<aglien>#openoffice.it
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06:52<hever>Whats the maximum memory size a thread may allocate on a "2.6.30-bpo.1-686-bigmem" kernel in 32Bit mode?
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06:54<kardan_>does sb know, what means: $ make > /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Invalid operation
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06:59<kardan_>i posted the full error here: http://www.pidgin.im/nopaste/161
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06:59<sylar>anyowe knows netconsole?
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07:00<sylar>I am trying it , and I get nothing
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07:01<kardan_>sylar which package is that?
07:01<sylar>lots of things goes in syslog, and nothing in my netcat listen
07:01<sylar>kardan_, netconsole , I think
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07:02<kardan_>impossible: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=netconsole
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07:04<kardan_>apt-file search netconsole brings nothing useful as well
07:05<kardan_>sylar where did you get the binary and what system are you running?
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07:05<sylar>kardan_, I got it long ago
07:06<sylar>kardan_, it is a module
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07:07<sylar>actually when I modprobe it I get two lines in the listning netcat
07:07<sylar>but all the other lines in the syslog don't appear
07:11<kardan_>sylar try most /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.30/Documentation/networking/netconsole.txt.gz
07:13<sylar>I don't have that one
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07:13<kardan_>install linux-doc-2.6
07:15<sylar>k
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07:26<ryanhaigh>!paste
07:26<dpkg_>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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07:27<ryanhaigh>hi all, im having issues with backports at the moment, eg trying to install pidgin
07:27<ryanhaigh>http://paste.debian.net/44987/
07:28<ryanhaigh>i would like to grab xfce4.6 from here at some point but im getting dependency errors with that as well
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07:31<handjob>Noob question : i want to install tremulous ( http://packages.debian.org/lenny/tremulous ) however i don't have this repo in sources. What should i add so i can install it via apt?
07:32<Yoda-BZH`Wk>add « contrib » to your sources.list
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07:38<handjob>Yoda-BZH, Thank you.
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07:40<handjob>Yoda-BZH, One more thing can you be noob friendly and pass the line i need to add to sources?
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07:41<Yoda-BZH`Wk>man sources.list
07:42<ryanhaigh>my sources.list if it helps with the backports issue
07:42<handjob>Yoda-BZH, Thank you again.
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07:45<kardan_>ryanheigh did you try apt-get --fix-missing
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07:52<wekt>Is there a standard place for the information of what is removed in a dfsg -ed package?
07:53<azeem_>wekt: no
07:53<azeem_>eh
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07:53<azeem_>wekt: for a particular package, either debian/copyright or debian/README.Source, I believe
07:54<azeem_>(in the source package)
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07:54<wekt>I'll check. thanks
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07:57<ryanhaigh>kardan_: but aptitude will remove pidgin as part of the dependency resolving, at least thats what i get from the output
08:00<kardan_>are you able to install it on anoteher lenny?
08:00<maxb>where can I read what the difference between 5.0.2 and 5.0.2a is?
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08:01<ryanhaigh>kardan_: not at the moment, im in the process of installing lenny on my desktop
08:02<ryanhaigh>kardan_: im using the australian debian mirror as well as security, and i have upgraded all my packages and updated package lists
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08:06<kardan_>ryanhaigh try to add all the mentioned packages manualy
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08:06<ryanhaigh>you mean downloading each and installing with dpkg?
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08:07<ryanhaigh>i tried using aptitude install -t lenny backports install pidgin pidgin-data libpurple0 but got similar errors
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08:11<gsimmons>dpkg_: tell maxb -about 5.0.2a
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08:16<karamella>hi
08:16<karamella>all
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08:22<kardan_>ryanhaigh did you run apt-get update
08:22<ryanhaigh>yeah
08:22<ranix>Is there any good way of recovering a file from /tmp/ after a reboot?
08:22<ryanhaigh>a few times :P
08:22<xeon-enouf>hever: probably ~3G, might be a 2/2 split, don't recall - grep the config ...also, probably merely two options enabled in the -bigmem (HIHGMEM64G, and PAE), over plain -686
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08:22<ranix>I made a bonehead mistake
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08:22<kardan_>ryanhaign you could try to install them manually: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=pidgin
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08:23<kardan_>ryanhaigh otherwise I could assist you compiling it
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08:24<ryanhaigh>kardan_: you do in fact mean downloading the debs indpendently and installing via dpkg then?
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08:24<ryanhaigh>kardan_: thanks for the offer but i plan on using more from backports and this approach, and compiling even moreso, won't really be workable
08:27<ryanhaigh>perhaps i will wait a few days, update package lists again and see if anything has changed
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08:32<ml|>ryanhaigh: might want to try a differrent mirror, if you haven't already
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08:33<glaciele14>uutfyef gdyr
08:34<glaciele14>ghdrtgftrdvfakhf
08:34<glaciele14>gyuerydphf
08:34<glaciele14>ti amo
08:34<glaciele14>hgtutrsopDSK
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08:34<ryanhaigh>you mean for the main lenny repo? or for backports
08:34<azeem_>!br
08:34<dpkg_>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
08:34<glaciele14>WAY TY SONEIME
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08:34<kardan_>how can I unpin packages, previously pinned to apt-listbugs before?
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08:35<ml|>ryanhaigh: for the one you are trying to install from
08:36<ryanhaigh>ok thanks, changed to a local mirror now, ill see what happens
08:36<ml|>gl
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08:43<ryanhaigh>still no luck, im going to leave it go for the time being
08:43<ryanhaigh>thanks for your help ml| and kardan_
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08:59<tbrock>guys, after upgrading to lenny my dhcp server doesn't seem to be working
08:59<tbrock>in fact, it wasn't even installed!
08:59<tbrock>is this typical
09:00<petemc>no
09:00<tbrock>hrmm
09:00<tbrock>so anyway, I installed dhcp3-server
09:00<petemc>look at /var/log/dpkg.log
09:01<petemc>(to see when it was removed)
09:01<kardan_>ranix you could try ext3grep
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09:04<tbrock>so i just upgraded from lenny right
09:04<tbrock>so was it not dhcp3 before lenny
09:04<tbrock>or was it the same package?
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09:07<petemc>tbrock: its been dhcp3-server since at least sarge
09:08*arw hello people
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09:10<tbrock>ok thanks pete
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09:12<tbrock>i really don't see it ever being removed
09:12<tbrock>I just see it being installed by me just now
09:12<tbrock>don't know how far back that log goes
09:13<tbrock>but i could have sworn this box has been handing out dhcp leases for years
09:13<tbrock>and just stopped
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09:13<tbrock>anywho, i installed the dhcp server and now get this error when it's starting: Starting DHCP server: dhcpd3check syslog for diagnostics. failed!
09:13<tbrock> failed!
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09:14<eoliva>Why every time I reboot my Debian Sid, it comes with sound muted.
09:14<tbrock>is there a good guide to setting up dhcp-server in lenny so I don't have to bother you guys
09:14<Zathraz>eoliva, do you have more than 1 soundcard?
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09:16<Zathraz>muted soundcards and broken soundsystems with more than 1 soundcard are not uncommon after kernel 2.6.22 or something :-( See also dmesg
09:17<Zathraz>I am also looking for a solution for these issues
09:17<eoliva>Zathraz, when I installed my /proc/asound/cards said that I had 3 cards...
09:17<eoliva>but then I tried to change the default card...and blacklist the others...
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09:17<eoliva>and so, now I'm only seeing one card
09:17<Zathraz>eoliva, it could very well be that also the default soundcard setting is wrong after rebooting
09:17<Zathraz>eoliva, but how many cards do you have?
09:18<eoliva>one, integrated
09:18<eoliva>but the asound showed something like "pcsp"
09:18<abraham>thats pc speaker
09:19<Zathraz>hmm. I have one integrated and one as a PCI card. Lenny however makes a mess of it. Did not do that until Lenny became stable and after the next update or 3 things got very wrong
09:20<tbrock>anyone have an idea about that dhcp server message
09:20<tbrock>I'm trying to google around
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09:20<Zathraz>tbrock, what does syslog say?
09:21<abraham>eoliva, i would try unblacklisting whatever you blacklisted and runnin dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base and dpkg-reconfigure soundcore
09:21<tbrock>not sure how to check zathraz
09:21<eoliva>abraham, ok man, I'm gonna try it
09:21<eoliva>tnx
09:21<abraham>n/p
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09:22<Zathraz>tbrock: less /var/log/syslog
09:23<eoliva>abraham, I have no package called soundcore, not even to install
09:24<tbrock>doesn't say anything but Aug 25 09:23:31 ironface dhcpd: Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Server V3.1.1
09:24<kardan_>i tried to install backuppc. apt-listbugs showed some bugs. I accidently pressed 'p' and pinned all packages. now I cant install it: Package backuppc is not available, but is referred to by another package
09:24<abraham>ok
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09:27<raboof>if i'd like to run testing, but also pick a few packages from unstable (or even experimental) now and then, what would be the preferred way? pinning or getting the source and backporting?
09:27<Zathraz>tbrock, sounds unlikely. You are not referred to syslog without reason
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09:28<tbrock>hrmm
09:28<Zathraz>tbrock, sounds unlikely. You are not referred to syslog without reason
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09:32<tbrock>it says it cannot bind to dhcp address
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09:33<tbrock>there might be another server running
09:33<tbrock>this could be the case
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09:33<tbrock>as i thought there was a dhcp server that was working
09:34<abraham>tbrock, type /etc/init.d/networking stop
09:34<petemc>lsof -i :67
09:34<abraham>then tell me what interfaces show up when you type ifconfig
09:34<tbrock>abraham I'm sshing into the server so this would disconnect me
09:35<abraham>oh
09:35<tbrock>and I'm very far away from it
09:36<tbrock>dnsmasq might be already providing this
09:36<petemc>lsof -i :67
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09:36<tbrock>oh
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09:37<tbrock>yes dnsmasq
09:38<dadda> Tjek emnet og spred: http://hardstylersunited.dk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=13890
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09:39<sylar>anyone knwos how to make mdadm use spare disk on raid5?
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09:42<raboof>wasn't there a tool to determine which debian repo is fast from a given location?
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09:43<petemc>raboof: apt-spy
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09:46<raboof>petemc: that's the one! shouldn't that be mentioned at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list ?
09:47<petemc>most people seem happy enough to use http://ftp.countrycode.debian.org
09:47<petemc>i think
09:48<xeon-enouf>sylar: /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* has examples
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09:48<Hazelesque>hmm
09:48<Hazelesque>is there a tool like "tail" that can "follow" new files in a directory? I googled and didn't find much
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09:48<Hazelesque>eg, I could do "tail -f /some/path/logs/*"
09:48<xeon-enouf>inotify?
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09:49<Hazelesque>but if new files appear in that directory, it won't be "following" them
09:49<xeon-enouf>incrontab?
09:49<xeon-enouf>hrm
09:49<sylar>nothing in the examples xeon-enouf
09:49<Hazelesque>this particular app generates a new logfile, with a new name, containing the time/date-stamp, when you start it
09:50<Hazelesque>and it's misbehaving, so I'll keep restarting it
09:50<Hazelesque>and it would be nice to be able to have tail follow the new log files
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09:50<Hazelesque>without having to mess around re-running tail
09:50<xeon-enouf>sylar: why do you want to use the spare, and is it a hot spare?
09:50<Hazelesque>(I suspect the correct solution is to fix the misbehaving app's logging setup, but I'd rather change one thing at a time :P)
09:51<xeon-enouf>Hazelesque: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/581
09:52<tbrock>do you guys know how to see the dhcp leases that dnsmasq gives out
09:52<tbrock>like who the dhcp clients are
09:52<tbrock>to see if it is working
09:52<sylar>xeon-enouf, I created a new array
09:53<xeon-enouf>and?
09:53<sylar>xeon-enouf, and it created it with a spare, because that is the way it works apparently
09:53<sylar>xeon-enouf, just thinking that if there is a spare it should be usable, so it bugs me
09:54<xeon-enouf>the spare is there in case one disk fails?
09:54<Hazelesque>Xenguy: interesting, might be helpful, thanks :)
09:54<xeon-enouf>3 + 1 spare?
09:54<sylar>2+1
09:54<xeon-enouf>np
09:54<sylar>raid5
09:54<xeon-enouf>eww
09:54<xeon-enouf>yes possible indeed
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09:54<sylar>what's the point in a spare if I can't tell it to use it?
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09:55<xeon-enouf>heh
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09:55<sylar>not that I need a spare here 3 disks no disk to spare
09:55<xeon-enouf>guess you created the array incorrectly ;-)
09:55<sylar>No, it say in the man that this is the default
09:56<sylar>but I found how to create it with no spare, I just want to figure out this one, and get mad a bit
09:56<xeon-enouf>i'm reviewing some lit now
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09:59<sylar>xeon-enouf, removed and added seem to sync now
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09:59<raboof>how can one find out what the status of an ITP is? apart from mailing the person who submitted it :)
10:00<raboof>does Jaromír Mikeš use IRC?
10:00<azeem_>raboof: mail the bug report, rather
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10:02<xeon-enouf>sylar: so; "mdadm --create -l5 -n3 /dev/md0 /dev/sd[abc]1" gives you a spare?
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10:03<xeon-enouf>sylar: don'tforget to see /etc/default/mdadm and dpkg-reconfigure mdadm
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10:06<kapal>Is there other debian-based solution to data mirroring over network similar to gluster? I need raid1 capabilities-over-network exactly. Any tip apprecieated...
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10:10<sylar>xeon-enouf, yes. and problem solved
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10:17<handjob>Hi again. theoretical question : lest's say i am using winde version XX that is the latest in the repositories and i want to try new version available in deb. Do i need to uninstall old version first? If so what happens with dependencies that can be uninstaled with old one and may be required by new?
10:17<handjob>*wine
10:18<jidm>hi. where can i download a debian-installer image compatible with squeeze?
10:18<kapal>handjob: you may want to try playonlinux
10:18<jidm>i want to install debian netinst trought USB but d-i kernel uses an older kernel version
10:18<jidm>i downloaded the debian-installer from here: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/
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10:19<jidm>vmlinuz and initrd.gz. But these are from june and use kernel 2.6.26 instead of 2.6.30
10:19<handjob>kapal, never heard of it. I will google and see what it is. Thx.
10:19<jidm>so i cannot use the squeeze netinst with it
10:20<xeon-enouf>sylar: perhaps one of the disks already had some leftover metadata on it prior, and zeroing the superblock prior might've helped that
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10:20<kapal>handjob: it is possible to handle multiple wine installations with debian, although i personally prefer using playonlinux to have multiple wine installations, leaving system-wide wine alone
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10:21<ml|>jidm: /msg dpkg_ kmuto
10:22<jidm>ml|: thanks but no info showed
10:23<jidm>dpkg_ may be sleeping?
10:23<xeon-enouf>kapal: well, not debian specific but redhat has their gfs/clvm implementation (not sure it would even fit your requirements), and some device-mapper and mdadm people have been talking and dancing together lately, IINM, so ;-)
10:23<ml|>jidm: dpkg_ is slow sometimes
10:24<ml|>10:19:59 <dpkg_> For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files (in 0627 images) are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm
10:24<Zathraz>handjob, wini in Debian repos is old. Wine project is hosting it's own apt repository
10:24<Zathraz>*wine
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10:25<jidm>ml| hey thanks for the info! very useful
10:25<ml|>np
10:26<handjob>Zathraz, Thank you.
10:26<Zathraz>http://www.winehq.org/download/deb
10:27<kapal>xeon-enouf: thanks i will see if it fits..
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10:29<kardan_>can somebody please help me with my listbugs issue?
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10:30<xeon-enouf>kapal: i missed it?
10:30<xeon-enouf>er sorry
10:30<jidm>ml|: i think my problem is different. I dont have problem with the .iso but with initrd.gz and vmlinuz
10:31<jidm>i can't boot from cdrom, i have not any cd device
10:31<kardan_>want to unping packages
10:31<kardan_>s/unping/unpin/
10:31<ml|>jidm: you can use that kmuto d-i with unetbootin
10:31<xeon-enouf>not kapal: but kardan_ i missed it?
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10:32<kardan_>i tried to install backuppc. apt-listbugs showed some bugs. I accidently pressed 'p' and pinned all packages. now I cant install it: Package backuppc is not available, but is referred to by another package
10:32<ml|>dpkg_ unetbootin
10:32*xeon-enouf 's left arrow key just died :-/
10:32<jidm>ml|: i failed at tying netbooting trough PXE :(
10:32<xeon-enouf>frozendown
10:32<ml|>10:32:05 <dpkg_> UNetbootin allows you to create bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions from Windows or Linux, without requiring you to burn a CD. You can either let it download one of the many distributions supported out-of-the-box for you, or supply
10:32<ml|> your own Linux <iso> file if youve already downloaded one or your preferred distribution isn't on the list. http://unetbootin.stf.net/
10:33<ml|>jidm: oh
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10:33<jidm>ah no this sounds different. checking
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10:33<xeon-enouf>kardan_: apt-listbugs? and what has that to do with pinning?
10:33<Zathraz>http://www.howtoforge.com/a-short-introduction-to-apt-pinning
10:34<ml|>jidm: yes it is not netbooting
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10:35<kardan_>!tell xeon-enouf about apt-listbugs
10:35<xeon-enouf>kardan_: erm, i use it
10:35<ml|>dpkg_: test
10:35<ml|>!test
10:35<dpkg_>epic test fail
10:36<fronix>Anyone know how i can setup my postfix so it works against my domain?
10:36<xeon-enouf>!tell kardan_ -about ask
10:36<ml|>heh dpkg_ does not work atm
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10:36<kardan_>thanks!
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10:37<kardan_>apt-listbugs shows serious when you install packages. you have the possibility to block packages to be installed, like I did accidently
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10:37<kardan_>+bugs
10:37<dapeamel>hi guys is it possible to install firefox in debian?
10:37<kardan_>no
10:38<dapeamel>cause I cant run flash files
10:38<berto>dapeamel: install iceweasel
10:38<dapeamel>how do I update the flash :/
10:38<xeon-enouf>kardan_: please don't say things so silly
10:38<ml|>kardan_: just try installing it again at will install if you say yes this time
10:38<xeon-enouf>dapeamel: which suite?
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10:38<xeon-enouf>ml|: ofcourse
10:38<dapeamel>well I have debian 5.02
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10:39<xeon-enouf>!adobe flash
10:39<dpkg_>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release because Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <non-free> <bpo> <flash64beta> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
10:39<dapeamel>thanks a lot
10:39<kardan_>ml| it says "E: Package backuppc has no installation candidate" now
10:39<xeon-enouf>apt-get install -f
10:39<kardan_>interesting ..
10:39<ml|>kardan_: ok, but that is not an apt-listbugs issue
10:40<xeon-enouf>and perhaps shut off the auto-Recommends installs
10:40<kardan_>still the same
10:40<xeon-enouf>ml|: indeed - AFAICT
10:41<kardan_>ml| then I maybe confused it with reportbug
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10:42<ml|>i have said no in the past then when doing an update and updating later works fine
10:42<fronix>Anyone can show me how i setup my hostname,host,mailname so it works for a mailserver?
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10:42<xeon-enouf>kardan_: pastebin contents of your /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10apt-listbugs file
10:42<EmleyMoor>Is there something more aggressive than "no"?
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10:43<kardan_>http://pastie.org/594139
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10:47<Zathraz>fronix, pleaty of postfix howto's. And there is a postfix channel on Freenode
10:47<Zathraz>*plenty
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10:47<ml|>kardan_: is the same as mine here
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10:49<xeon-enouf>heretoo
10:49<xeon-enouf>lost_his_spacebar_key_now_too
10:50*xeon-enouf
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10:50<dapeamel>!multimedia
10:50<dpkg_>somebody said dmm was Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>.
10:50<xeon-enouf>oh_well--i_guess_this_electronics_cleaner_isn't_all_that_:-P
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10:52<ml|>xeon-enouf: heh
10:52<kardan>i will purge it
10:52<ml|>!tell dapeamel about selftell
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10:55<kardan>nothing changed. same for aptitude (with more output just): No candidate version found for backuppc
10:56<kardan>seems as i need to wait the bug gets fixed ..
10:56<dapeamel>how do I edit the sudoers file to add a account?
10:56<kardan>dapeamel sudo adduser user sudo
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10:57<dapeamel>sorry I mean for get access..
10:57<ml|>dapeamel: visudo man visudo
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10:57<kardan>right, better that
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10:57<ml|>dapeamel: and man sudo sudoers
10:57<dapeamel>ok thanks
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10:58<ml|>np
10:58<jthomas_sb_>does anyone know when Sid's xserver-xorg-video-intel (drivers) are expected to work again? I have them working on some boxes but not on others, where as for Testing they work on all boxes with Intel video that I've tried
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10:59<ml|>jthomas_sb_: like usual when it's ready ;)
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10:59<jidm>ml| Thank you, unetbooting save my life :)
10:59<jthomas_sb_>of course! just wondering, when *exactly* is that? (kidding)
11:00<ml|>jidm: np
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11:00<ml|>jthomas_sb_: haha
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11:02<xeon-enouf>jthomas_sb_: subscribe to (OH WOW - spacebar works yet again!) debian-x mailing list
11:02<jthomas_sb_>i will, thanks
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11:02<ml|>xeon-enouf: get a new keyboard? seems you keep having problems with it
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11:03<dapeamel>if I want to add a user In the sudoers file I just wrote gedit /etc/sudoers and then in the file just wrot exampel dapeamel ALL=(ALL) ALL right?
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11:03<ml|>dapeamel: no use visudo
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11:04<dapeamel>oh sorry I saw that staid in the file
11:04<xeon-enouf>EDITOR=gedit ; visudo ;-)
11:04<dapeamel>haha
11:04<kardan>I never heard of hidden files on debian: http://paste.debian.net/44997/
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11:04<ml|>dapeamel: what xeon-enouf just i was about to :)
11:04<ml|>*said
11:05<dapeamel>yaw
11:05<valdyn>kardan: which hidden file(s) ?
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11:06<ml|>kardan: what?
11:06<kardan>valdy it says 'total 8' but shows no files what does this mean?
11:06<xeon-enouf>it?
11:07<xeon-enouf>i thought i already sent you the <ask> factoid
11:07<valdyn>kardan: not the number of files
11:07<valdyn>kardan: the KB used by the files listed
11:07<valdyn>kardan: . and .. are 2 files, one filing using a minimum of 4KB, that makes 8
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11:08<valdyn>kardan: try it in an empty directory where the parent has alot of files
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11:08<valdyn>kardan: total 44
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11:09<kardan>xeo-enouf well, will use it next time
11:09<kardan>ls ../apt/archives/partial/ -la > total 2480
11:09<valdyn>kardan: there you go
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11:10<valdyn>kardan: the size of a directory is the place used to store the names and metadata of its contents
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11:11<kardan>does it contain all file names of the parent dir?
11:11<valdyn>kardan: uh?
11:12<valdyn>kardan: the dot . *is* the parent
11:12<kardan>ic
11:12<handjob>How can i find out what other aplications are using for egzample "libwine" ?
11:12<xeon-enouf>applications using?
11:12<valdyn>handjob: apt-cache show apt-rdepends
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11:13*xeon-enouf steals valdyn carnak hat :-p
11:13<kardan>valdyn thanks for this excursus :)
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11:13<_budo>panel stopped showing up all of a sudden........anyone know why ?
11:13<valdyn>kardan: uh, actually, the double dot ".." *is* the parent
11:13<valdyn>kardan: . is obviously the current directory
11:13<handjob>valdyn, Thank you, Ah and whare in the syntax i need to put name of package?
11:14<valdyn>handjob: rtm
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11:14<_budo>tried to run panel manager from the 'right-click menu' and it refuses to show up
11:15<ghantoos>handjob: apt-cache rdepends libwine
11:15<kardan>!ask how to clear the pin list of apt-listbugs
11:16<xeon-enouf>...
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11:16<ml|>kardan: there is no such thing afaik
11:16<handjob>ghantoos, Thank you. It looks for dependent programs in preos or in my box?
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11:17<handjob>*repos
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11:17<dapeamel>dam I have installed flashplayer-nonfree but it still says You need the latest Flash player to see this video
11:17<payl>hi everyone, i'm new in linux, and i need help, anyone can help me?
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11:17<davromaniak>Hi
11:17<EmleyMoor>!ask
11:17<dpkg_>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
11:18<jthomas_sb_>payl yeah so just ask
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11:18<payl>okey, so i can't instal some packet (thats name wright?)
11:18<ml|>dapeamel: update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so
11:18<valdyn>!tell payl -about smart questions
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11:18<dapeamel>how does that work?
11:18<davromaniak>I don't remember an URL of a howto to make debian packages installation "interactive", I would like to package a program, and I need to ask some questions to the user
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11:18<ghantoos>handjob: man apt-cache
11:19<payl>i try to install lazarus, but i can't okey with dependies
11:19<ml|>dapeamel: and select the one you want, also restart browser if you haven't
11:19<Yoda-BZH`Wk>davromaniak debconf ?
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11:19<ml|>v:q
11:19<kardan>!ask what does the apt mode of apt-listbugs do?
11:19<stew>davromaniak: my recommendation would be to look at the files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ for a package which already does this
11:19<ml|>oops
11:19<EmleyMoor>payl: What exactly?
11:19<kardan>ml| if found the option p for pin package and i for ignore bug
11:19<stew>davromaniak: (especially the packagename.config and packagename.postinst files)
11:19<jthomas_sb_>payl did you download the package from a website, or are you using apt-get / aptitude / synaptic / package ?
11:19<payl>i download
11:20<jthomas_sb_>not how it works in linux.
11:20<davromaniak>ok stew, thx
11:20<jthomas_sb_>pay1 are you using KDE or GNOME ?
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11:20<payl>and next i try to use apt-get but it doesn't work too
11:20<payl>Gnome i think
11:20<jthomas_sb_>ok, see if you can find the program named Synaptic Package Manager
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11:21<payl>hm.. i have polish version of debian
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11:21<EmleyMoor>!pl
11:21<dpkg_>polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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11:22<jthomas_sb_>should still be named Synaptic, payl
11:23<payl>hm.. i can't find it =p
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11:23<jthomas_sb_>otherwise, open a terminal. become root user with 'su -' and then run 'apt-get update' and then run 'apt-get install lazarus' (don't type those 'quote marks' tho)
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11:23<payl>okey, moment
11:23<ml|>kardan: ok, but i don't see -i and -p does something else in man apt-listbugs
11:24<payl>okey, when i can apt-get install lazarus, then error was become
11:25<kardan>it was in interactive dialog when I tried to install them. I dont know how to get there again
11:25<EmleyMoor>What error?
11:25<jthomas_sb_>payl, we need the exact error
11:25<payl>it is in polish ..
11:25<payl>okey
11:25<jthomas_sb_>lol
11:25<jthomas_sb_>well, try to summarize it in english
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11:25<payl>just wait, i change chat ..
11:26<payl>for debian chat =)
11:26<kardan>!pl
11:26<dpkg_>polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
11:26<ml|>payl: do LANG=C 'command' then pastebin it
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11:26<kardan>payl you got mulitple possibilities :)
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11:27<ml|>oh well he left
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11:27<jthomas_sb_>he said he was changing chat for debian chat? ok...
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11:28<payl2>okey
11:28<jthomas_sb_>ok
11:28<payl2>i'm back
11:28<jthomas_sb_>good, what is the error payl2
11:28<ml|>payl2: do LANG=C 'command' then pastebin it
11:28<payl2>so that is error: Pakiet lazarus nie ma dostępnej wersji, ale odnosi się do niego inny pakiet.
11:28<payl2>Zazwyczaj oznacza to, że pakietu brakuje, został zastąpiony przez inny
11:28<payl2>pakiet lub nie jest dostępny przy pomocy obecnie ustawionych źródeł.
11:28<payl2>E: Pakiet lazarus nie ma kandydata do instalacji
11:28-!-payl2 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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11:28<jthomas_sb_>i don't thing he understands 'pastebin it'
11:28<ml|>wow guess i wasn't clear
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11:29<kardan>additionally its not in english
11:29<adb>!pastebin
11:29<dpkg_>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
11:29<ml|>payl2: do LANG=C 'command' then pastebin it to a paste bin
11:29<adb>payl2: ^^
11:29<payl2>hm.. kicked
11:29<xeon-enouf>!smite ml| for not being clear
11:29*dpkg_ smites ml| for not being clear with a plague of Microsoft Lawyers
11:29<payl2>=/
11:29<ml|>kardan: it will be
11:29<EmleyMoor>payl2: For pasting#
11:29<jthomas_sb_>payl2 you cannot put that much info here at one time
11:29<payl2>now i know xD
11:29<_budo>** (xfce4-panel:2561): WARNING **: xfce4-panel is not running
11:29<payl2>but u see error
11:30<ml|>payl2: read above please
11:30<jthomas_sb_>:) visit http://pastebin.ca or something and put it there. but in polish we cannot help you much, try typing (in you IRC program) '/joun #debian.pl'
11:30<payl2>okey..
11:30<EmleyMoor>payl2: Incomprehensible. Rerun the apt-get but put LANG=C before it
11:30<jthomas_sb_>payl2 i means, /join #debian.pl
11:30<payl2>okey =)
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11:31<ml|>!cut xeon-enouf fingers
11:31*dpkg_ cuts xeon-enouf fingers in half with a rabid chainsaw!
11:31<payl2>thx for help
11:31<jthomas_sb_>well, debian.pl is empty.
11:31<ml|>payl2: or read above
11:31<payl2>okey, i can try
11:31<ml|>payl2: do LANG=C 'command' then pastebin it to a paste bin
11:31<EmleyMoor>It exists on FreeNode I believe
11:31<jthomas_sb_>ah
11:31<payl2>packet lazarus don't have good version.
11:31<payl2>(on server)
11:32<jthomas_sb_>apt-get update
11:32<payl2>i tried this
11:32*ml| throws hands up in the air ;P
11:32<bja>!lart ml|
11:32*dpkg_ whips out his power stapler and staples ml|'s genitalia to the ground
11:32<xeon-enouf>ml|: unfortuantely, that's not even funny
11:32<ml|>bja: why? ;P
11:33<xeon-enouf>now,that is!
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11:33<EmleyMoor>payl2: LANG=C apt-get install lazarus - and pastebin the message
11:33<dapeamel>dam I have tried to update my flash player but it doesnt work when I trying it out
11:33<xeon-enouf>dapeamel: try various sites
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11:33<ml|>xeon-enouf: sure is ;P
11:33<payl2>but error is in polish..
11:33<dapeamel>exampel xD
11:34<EmleyMoor>In "LANG=C" it should be in English
11:34<ml|>dapeamel: what have you done thus far
11:34<ml|>?
11:34<payl2>EmleyMoor, i know, but what i can do
11:34<EmleyMoor>payl2: Did you...
11:34<EmleyMoor>payl2: LANG=C apt-get install lazarus - and pastebin the message
11:35<dapeamel>I reinstalled it from wiki debian also the command you gave
11:35<jthomas_sb_>dapeamel for me, flash plug only works if i get it from the debian.multimedia.org repo
11:35<payl2>message is (translated to english): server don't have packet named lazarus
11:35<ml|>dapeamel: ok, how did you install it?
11:35<EmleyMoor>payl2: Don't loose translate - do it my way
11:35<jthomas_sb_>payl2 can you pastebin the file /etc/apt/sources.list for us ?
11:36<payl2>just say how? xD
11:36<jthomas_sb_>payl2: LANG=C apt-get install lazarus
11:36<EmleyMoor>payl2: LANG=C apt-get install lazarus
11:36<jthomas_sb_>payl2: LANG=C apt-get install lazarus
11:36<payl2>okey okey
11:36<ml|>haha
11:36<EmleyMoor>(could it be clearer?)
11:36<payl2>but how i paste it here?
11:36<Zathraz>dapeamel, have you restarted your browser?
11:36<dapeamel>first I added this line in my sources list deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free, then apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
11:36<EmleyMoor>!pb
11:37<ml|>dapeamel: no
11:37<jthomas_sb_>payl2 visit http://pastebin.ca and put it there and give us the link
11:37<adb>judd`: versions lazarus
11:37<judd`>adb: lazarus -- sid: 0.9.26-2 sid: 0.9.26-4 sid: 0.9.26.2-2 squeeze: 0.9.26.2-2
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11:37<adb>ah >=squeeze
11:37<payl2>eh.. lag
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11:37<payl2>just moment..
11:37<ml|>dapeamel: /msg dpkg_ dmm lenny and adobe flash
11:38<dapeamel>?
11:38<ml|>!tell dapeamel about adobe flash
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11:38<ml|>!tell dapeamel about dmm
11:38<ml|>!tell dapeamel about dmm lenny
11:38<dapeamel>!tell dapeamel about dmm lenny
11:38<dapeamel>xD
11:39<payl2>okey i copied it here: http://wklej.org/id/140093/
11:39<dapeamel>here it come
11:39<ml|>!tell dapeamel about selftell
11:39<jthomas_sb_>payl2: LANG=C apt-get install lazarus
11:39<payl2>i do it ..
11:39<jthomas_sb_>it shouldn't be in polish if you run LANG=C
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11:39<dapeamel>but..
11:39<payl2>i runned it, and it is in polish..
11:39<dapeamel>all that in the dpkg_ said I did that..
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11:40<jthomas_sb_>ok then, payl2 can you put the file /etc/apt/sources.list in that same pastebin ?
11:40<EmleyMoor>payl2: Even prefixed LANG=C?
11:40<payl2>hm.. wait..
11:40<dennis_p>!tell dennis_p about selftell
11:40<adb>payl2: ^^ do you run lenny ?
11:40<ml|>dapeamel: read again please
11:41<xeon-enouf>payl2: export LANG=C
11:41<dapeamel>!tell dapeamel about selftell
11:41<payl2>what? =)
11:41<jthomas_sb_>payl2 run 'cat /etc/debian_version'
11:41<payl2>5.0.2
11:41<xeon-enouf>dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
11:41<dpkg_>No packages found matching libc6 | tail -1
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11:42<ml|>hehe
11:42<xeon-enouf>heh
11:42<EmleyMoor>payl2: lazarus is not in lenny - hence not finding it
11:42<payl2>so?
11:42<xeon-enouf>judd`: versions lazarus
11:42<judd`>xeon-enouf: lazarus -- sid: 0.9.26-2 sid: 0.9.26-4 sid: 0.9.26.2-2 squeeze: 0.9.26.2-2
11:42<xeon-enouf>judd`: i like your new haircut
11:42<judd`>xeon-enouf: Error: "i" is not a valid command.
11:43<adb>heh
11:43<xeon-enouf>3 sids! :-p
11:43<payl2>i must install lazarus ..
11:43<ml|>heh
11:43<EmleyMoor>If you want lazarus you may have to consider backporting
11:43<ml|>payl2: looked at backports.org?
11:43<jthomas_sb_>ah. ok payl2 the lazarus software is newer than your version of debian, so you have to get a newer version of debian to install that software, or perhaps backports as EmleyMoor says
11:43<payl2>okey, now i undersood xD
11:43<ml|>!tell payl2 about bpo
11:44<payl2>lol i instaling debian 2 days .. and now..
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11:45<payl2>oh, and what is backports.org?
11:45<dapeamel>ml ok ok I understand
11:45<dapeamel>I have a stable version I guess then.
11:45<jthomas_sb_>payl2 you can try backports, or you can edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list so that any line which has 'stable' or 'lenny' on it gets changed (only that word!) to 'testing'. then, apt-get update && apt-get install lazarus .
11:45<ml|>dapeamel: ok that should work, if you follow dpkg_ directions
11:45<EmleyMoor>payl2: That about which you have just been told - it may carry lazarus for lenny. If not, you'd have to work on it yourself
11:45<jthomas_sb_>then, change that file back to 'lenny' or 'stable' unless you want to start using the testing branch. newer software, less stable tho.
11:46<adb>jthomas_sb_: NOT recommand that to a 2 DAYS user
11:46<dapeamel>I will try
11:46<jthomas_sb_>lol ok
11:46<dapeamel>thanks
11:46<ml|>jthomas_sb_: that is not good advice
11:46<payl2>okey
11:46<jthomas_sb_>payl2 i am giving bad advice, sorry :)
11:46<payl2>i don't modifi it
11:46<ml|>payl2: don't do that!
11:46<payl2>okey
11:46<adb>!backports
11:46<payl2>don't worry i don't do that
11:46<dpkg_>i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
11:46<xeon-enouf>dapeamel: /msg dpkg releases (to learn more about the various suites)
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11:47<adb>payl2: read that carefully !!
11:47<payl2>hm..
11:47<payl2>and there isn't easier way?
11:47<jthomas_sb_> lazarus isn't at http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=packages
11:47<dapeamel>how do I add the key via terminal?
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11:47<JordiGH>So I just discovered that Linux releases with four version numbers. What does Debian do with that fourth number? E.g. 2.6.26.4, where does the .4 go?
11:48<EmleyMoor>It should backport fairly easily
11:48<adb>payl2: so not even in backports ..
11:48<ml|>dapeamel: read what dpkg_ told you about dmm lenny
11:48<payl2>i don't know what is backports =p
11:48<adb>payl2: how long used linux ?
11:48<dapeamel>ok
11:49<payl2>hm.. 2 days xD
11:49<payl2>on debian
11:49<payl2>on ubuntu ... 4 days?
11:49<adb>and in all ?
11:49<payl2>so not long
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11:49<EmleyMoor>It is perhaps a bit early for backporting... but if you need to...
11:49<ml|>!tell payl2 about reference
11:49<adb>2+ 4= 4
11:49<JordiGH>payl2: Do you have someone near you helping you out?
11:49<EmleyMoor>!tell payl about ssb
11:50<greg1313>greetings
11:50<payl2>no, =/
11:50<payl2>i'm good in windows, but here ..
11:50<EmleyMoor>However, I would recommend changing the sid references to squeeze
11:50<ml|>!tell payl2 about grounding
11:50<payl2>i just must compile my program to linux
11:50<jthomas_sb_>at apt-get.org there is a backport
11:50<bja>payl2: there is a package on debian repos called rutebook, download it and read it, it will clariry you lots of stuff
11:50<jthomas_sb_>http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=lazarus&submit=Submit+Query&arch[]=i386&arch[]=all
11:51<ml|>payl2: read what dpkg_ has told you in another tab or window in your irc client
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11:51<xeon-enouf>!apt-key 87654321
11:51<dpkg_>gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 87654321 ; gpg --export 87654321 | sudo apt-key add -
11:51<xeon-enouf>like that dapeamel - justuse the proper key
11:51<payl2>hm.. installing programs is harded on linux..
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11:52<JordiGH>So really, how are linux packages created?
11:52<EmleyMoor>payl2: No, it is easy - provided it has been packaged...
11:52<ml|>xeon-enouf: aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring should work just fine
11:52<xeon-enouf>er ... if you mean the bpo key - follow instructs on site
11:52<JordiGH>Debian takes 2.6.30.4, and then what happens to the .4?
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11:52<xeon-enouf>yah
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11:52<JordiGH>Do the Linux packagers cherry pick patches from a Linux release, or what?
11:52<EmleyMoor>payl2: In this case, jthomas_sb_ has found you a package...
11:52<dapeamel>waah it works! :D thanks
11:52<ml|>!congratulate dapeamel
11:52<dpkg_>Huzzah dapeamel, you did it!
11:52<dapeamel>I had to remote the tempory data and that :D
11:52<payl2>where? xD
11:53<dapeamel>"remove
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11:53<xeon-enouf>!tell payl2 -about contrib
11:53<xeon-enouf>!tell payl2 -about non-free
11:53<EmleyMoor>JordiGH: It's not very significant - Debian's work somewhat supercedes it
11:53<xeon-enouf>!tell payl2 -about reference
11:53<jthomas_sb_>payl2 its not hard to install programs, but it IS hard to install new programs on older setups. But at the link http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=lazarus&submit=Submit+Query&arch[]=i386&arch[]=all there is a line to put into the file /etc/apt/sources.list : deb http://mamut.spseol.cz/debs lennyports main
11:53<xeon-enouf>;-)
11:53<JordiGH>EmleyMoor: So the Debian packagers do something like what I described? Cherry pick minor patches from the latest release?
11:54<payl2>hm.. i don't understand it =)
11:54<payl2>so i go to pl irc, okey?
11:54<EmleyMoor>JordiGH: Not so much cherry pick... they use whatever the tiny version is at the time of packaging and patch it further if needed.
11:55<jthomas_sb_>payl2 you put this line into the file /etc/apt/sources.list : deb http://mamut.spseol.cz/debs lennyports main
11:55<EmleyMoor>payl2: Can you edit your /etc/apt/sources.list?
11:55<ml|>JordiGH: just about every distro messes with the kernel for use on their distro, so if you want vanilla you need to compile it yourself
11:55<payl2>EmleyMoor, i don't see that file..
11:55<EmleyMoor>payl2: You must have it
11:55<payl2>there is folder: sources.list.d
11:55<jthomas_sb_>payl2 do you see the folder /etc/ ?
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11:55<payl2>yes i enter folder etc
11:55<EmleyMoor>Ah, that is another way
11:55<jthomas_sb_>payl2 you can add the line to one of the files in that folder, sure.
11:56<koollman>JordiGH: every linux kernel is the result of cherry picking from some other kernels
11:56<JordiGH>ml|: No, I'm happy with what I have, it's just that just now I've discovered that Linux has a fourth tiny version number I never knew about. I was just curious why I had never seen it in all these years. :-)
11:56<payl2>sry so much
11:56<dapeamel>anyone know a good music program which supports ipod I used in windows songbird but .. I found a guide which transfigure it to debian but Im not sure the drivers will work.
11:56<payl2>i don't see that file ..
11:56<payl2>i'm stupid ..
11:56<jthomas_sb_>any file in sources.list.d/
11:56<jthomas_sb_>not stupid
11:56<koollman>JordiGH: oh ... that part is not exactly new. that's linux versionning scheme starting from ... 2.6.8 I think. 2.6.x.y, with y for minor minor releases
11:57<jthomas_sb_>dapeamel Amarok does, gtkpod adds songs but doesn't play music
11:57<payl2>okey, i open that file
11:57<dapeamel>oh ok
11:57<JordiGH>2 is major .6 is minor, .30 is revision and .4 is... subrevision, or whatever.
11:57<EmleyMoor>payl2: Once you've added that line and saved the file, apt-get update and apt-get install lazarus
11:57<JordiGH>2.6.30.4.for-real-we're-releasing-this-time.3
11:57<jthomas_sb_>Amarok can add songs to an ipod, take somgs from an ipod onto local hard drive, or play songs from the ipod. there is also songbird on linux.
11:58<ml|>JordiGH: /msg judd` kernel
11:58<payl2>but what i have to add?
11:58<jthomas_sb_>deb http://mamut.spseol.cz/debs lennyports main
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11:58<JordiGH>judd`: What are you?
11:58<judd`>JordiGH: Error: "What" is not a valid command.
11:58<jthomas_sb_>payl2 that ^^
11:58<ml|>vanilla kernell is on .30.5 atm
11:58<JordiGH>Man, we need a bot API that understand the "what are you?" question/
11:58<JordiGH>dpkg_: What are you?
11:58<ml|>JordiGH: /msg judd` kernel
11:58<payl2>jthomas_sb_: what? =/
11:59<JordiGH>Where did our blootbot go?
11:59<jthomas_sb_>payl2 add this line, exactly like this:
11:59<jthomas_sb_>deb http://mamut.spseol.cz/debs lennyports main
11:59<ml|>dpkg_: bot
11:59<payl2>oh.. sry
11:59<JordiGH>ml|: What was I supposed to learn?
11:59<jthomas_sb_>no worry
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11:59<JordiGH>ml|: Debian revision numbers don't talk about the fourth linux version number.
11:59<payl2>on first line, last line?
11:59<EmleyMoor>payl2: Any.
11:59<ml|>judd`: kernel
11:59<judd`>ml|: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
12:00<payl2>okey
12:00<payl2>and now save?
12:00<EmleyMoor>(a new one anywhere in the file)
12:00<koollman>JordiGH: because they care about branches, and don't follow the same development scheme
12:00<JordiGH>ml|: I ask again, what was taht suposed to show?
12:00<EmleyMoor>payl2: Save the file
12:00<payl2>i can't
12:00<koollman>JordiGH: some more explanations about kernel versions numbers http://kerneltrap.org/node/4803
12:00<payl2>acces denied
12:00<jthomas_sb_>payl2 you need to open and edit the file as root.
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12:00<EmleyMoor>payl2: You need to be root
12:00<payl2>okey
12:00<payl2>but how? =)
12:01<jthomas_sb_>what program are you using to edit the file, payl2 ?
12:01<payl2>gedit
12:01<jthomas_sb_>in a terminal, type 'gtksu gedit'
12:01<jthomas_sb_>does that ask for a password?
12:01<JordiGH>Surely, "gksu"?
12:01<jthomas_sb_>maybe that ^^ (I use kde)
12:01<ml|>JordiGH: see sid version number, it's different than the official kernel, but in debian terms is up to date with vanilla kernel
12:01<jthomas_sb_>payl2 'gksu gedit'
12:02<payl2>cannot open display
12:02<jthomas_sb_>try in a terminal, 'sudo gedit'
12:02<payl2>cannot open display..
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12:03<JordiGH>ml|: My question is about what Debian does with the fourth Linux version number, remember. I know the first three match, I can see that. :-)
12:03<jthomas_sb_>arg. ok in a terminal run exactly this: " sudo echo "deb http://mamut.spseol.cz/debs lennyports main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list "
12:03<payl2>okey
12:04<jthomas_sb_>hmm didn't work for me :(
12:04<ml|>JordiGH: sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6) equals 2.6.30.5 with debian spin on it for example
12:04<jthomas_sb_>try THIS, payl2.
12:04<JordiGH>ml|: How do you know this?
12:04<jthomas_sb_>'su -' and then, ' echo "deb http://mamut.spseol.cz/debs lennyports main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list '
12:04<payl2>okey, that line was added
12:04<jthomas_sb_>ok great
12:04<jthomas_sb_>now apt-get update
12:04<jthomas_sb_>then apt-get install lazurus
12:04<payl2>no restart?
12:04<jthomas_sb_>nope
12:04<JordiGH>jthomas_sb_: Surely, "aptitude"?
12:04<jthomas_sb_>never need to restart linux really
12:04<JordiGH>Unless you get a new Linux, like I am.
12:05<payl2>update okey
12:05<JordiGH>payl2: Use aptitude, not apt-get.
12:05<jthomas_sb_>JordiGH i get confused as to which is preferred. sure, aptitude update and then aptitude install lazurus would work also
12:05<ml|>with new kernels you do and sometimes to clear stuff does not hurt
12:05<payl2>hm.. somethink hapends now
12:05<jthomas_sb_>yes
12:05<JordiGH>jthomas_sb_: aptitude has been the recommended one since etch.
12:05<payl2>downloading..
12:05<payl2>U R GREAT GUYS =)
12:06<jthomas_sb_>JordiGH but when i use sid, everyone there says use apt-get. so... oh well :)
12:06<jthomas_sb_>payl2 great!
12:06<bja>!win payl2
12:06<dpkg_>Congratulations, payl2! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
12:06<JordiGH>ml|: One of these days, I'm gonna upgrade Linux without rebooting, just for the geek points. It's like changing a car engine midroad without braking. :P
12:06<jthomas_sb_>payl2 i hope the experience hasn't made linux seem too hard
12:06<JordiGH>jthomas_sb_: I don't think everyone in sid says to use apt-get..
12:06<payl2>with u its easy =)
12:06<jthomas_sb_>but if you're patient people here can help a lot :)
12:06<EmleyMoor>The first few days often have a steep learning curve
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12:07<JordiGH>payl2: Now you need to learn Emacs.
12:07<jthomas_sb_>JordiGH exactly, everyone seems to say something different
12:07<JordiGH>payl2: (I'm kidding)
12:07<jthomas_sb_>learn Vi not Emacs
12:07<payl2>xD
12:07<bja>payl2: don't forget to read the rutebook
12:07<EmleyMoor>!start a holy war
12:07<dpkg_>nedit is the best editor ever
12:07<bja>!nuke EmleyMoor
12:07*dpkg_ fires an 80 teraton thermonuclear weapon at bja
12:07<JordiGH>jthomas_sb_: Emacs has a bigger pay off, readline and bash use Emacs keys by default.
12:07<payl2>hm.. now i think i know what u do..
12:07<payl2>u add some server to list, yes?
12:07<bja>ml|: been messing with the bot?
12:08<ml|>bja: no, why you always blame me ;P
12:08<payl2>okey, i have g2g eat.
12:08<bja>;P
12:08<dapeamel>how I do remove a whole directory include subdirectorys?
12:08<stew>definately learn both
12:08<JordiGH>dapeamel: rm -f thedirectory/
12:08<dapeamel>ok thanks
12:09<stew>dapeamel: he means -r
12:09<bja>dapeamel: rm -rf "namedir"
12:09<ml|>rm -r
12:09<JordiGH>stew: Btw, how is fish coming along? I haven't tried it recently.
12:09<ml|>no need for -f
12:09<stew>JordiGH: i haven't either
12:09<dapeamel>thanks guys
12:09<bja>dapeamel: beware the force flag will delete the subdirs included inside the dir and the dir itself
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12:10<ml|>bja: then why recommend it? ;P
12:10<bja>ml|: if you don't put the -f then the original dir will not be removed
12:10<bja>because a slaedge hammer is an overkill ;P
12:10<ml|>well just cd .. rm -r ;)
12:10<dapeamel>is it easy to crack a zip file which have a password?
12:10<bja>rm will not remove any subdirs
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12:11<ml|>since when?
12:11<bja>dapeamel: it used to be, there is strong cryptography built into it nowadays
12:11<JordiGH>Man, I wish there was a way to merge conf files when upstream ships new ones.
12:11<JordiGH>I have to do it manually, right?
12:11<JordiGH>Background the process, merge the conf files myself?
12:11<bja>JordiGH: diff is a strong little package
12:11<EmleyMoor>JordiGH: You could always use diff - GMTA bja
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12:12<JordiGH>Er, I don't mean upstream, I mean packager.
12:12<ml|>yes, install new and use diff vimdiff and add what is needed
12:12<bja>and his sibling patch is also very powerful
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12:13<JordiGH>Why doesn't the default dhcp.conf send the machine's hostname?
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12:14<adb>bind do that , i guess
12:15<bja>JordiGH: security reasons i believe, and dhcpd will not serve any ips until you configure it to avoid problems with existing servers
12:15<JordiGH>Well, my router doesn't understand the default behaviour. I have to go into dhclient.conf and tell it to send the hostname instead of "andare.fugue.com"
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12:15<JordiGH>bja: Sending the hostname is a security issue?
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12:27<o-o>hmm.. Limit on the # of users?
12:27<Tekno>yes
12:27<chrisben>hello, I've got a server that has a ~28 load average, and is (obviously) running latent. cpu and memory usage doesn't seem out of wack, any ideads?
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12:28<Gold24>io
12:28<o-o>what does vmstat 5 say?
12:28<chrisben> 0 0 1284936 7364 14392 25436 103 82 194 134 72 55 1 0 91 7
12:28<chrisben>194/134 is io
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12:29<kop>chrisben: I suspect someone's hitting sshd hard.
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12:31<payl2>hey guys, i come here, to say all is works fine, and say thx 1 time more
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12:31<chrisben>I'm running BlockHosts.py because I've had a lot of people trying to bruteforce. you think it could be network saturation?
12:31<payl2>okey, bb all
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12:32<kop>chrisben: What I've seen, and I don't know about blockhosts, is lots of sshd processes starting and then stopping quickly (or some other process listening on the network). That raises the load average but otherwise places little load on the system.
12:33<kop>chrisben: I think. I'm tired and could be mis-remembering.
12:34<kop>chrisben: You could always use ps.
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12:35<chrisben>kop: thanks. The box is generaly sluggish. top takes ~ 10 seconds to begin display.
12:36<chrisben>I've lots of processes running and occupying network sockets, it's a mail server. and there's lots of imap connections, as well as other services.
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12:56<chrisben>so I'm looking into file descriptors...
12:56<chrisben># cat /proc/sys/fs/file-nr
12:57<chrisben>4160 0 101088
12:57<chrisben>why doesn't current + available = max?
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13:06<daniel>Hi guys I have a sound blaster 24 bit and I cant get sound from it please help I havent installed any drivers but
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13:12<daniel>!flash
13:12<dpkg_>flash is probably frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
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13:26<daniel>hi can someone help me to install a file
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13:26<Someone>no i can't
13:26<daniel>ok
13:26<ml|>heh, what file?
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13:27<daniel>rarlinux-x64-3.8.0.tar.gz I also have a crack to
13:27<daniel>I installed unrar but.. its not the same..
13:28<adb>!rar
13:28<dpkg_>[rar] Roshal ARchive, a proprietary archive format used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst archive format ever. To extract RAR3 files (the most common archive version), use either the "rar" or "unrar" programs in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. "unrar-free" is unable to extract RAR3 files. Install the 'rar' package to create RAR files. http://www.rarlab.com/ http://www.unrarlib.org/faq.html
13:28<adb>daniel: ^^
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13:28<daniel>hmm
13:28<ml|>there is rar non-free, the free version does not always work
13:29<narcan>why rar? its a tar.gz package
13:29<daniel>but.. I have a rarlinux-x64-3.8.0.tar.gz and in the map is it a crack to
13:30<ml|>daniel: what are you trying to do? and Lin narcan said unrar is not needed in this case
13:30<daniel>well you maybe can help me..
13:30<ml|>s/Lin/like/
13:30<daniel>I wrote private whole messege.
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13:31<ml|>daniel: ask here and don't msg people without asking first, read the topic
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13:31<lili_>jd
13:31<daniel>ok
13:32<daniel>I have downloaded. AUTODESK_MAYA_UNLIMITED_V2009_LINUX64-XFORCE and its .rar files I know easy how to install that kind of stuff in windows, but first I have to unpack 1 time then I have to mark all files again and extract em. but all been in directories..
13:32<daniel>like r1 - to r77 example loads directories.
13:32<ml|>daniel: you don't install .rar files you extract them
13:32<daniel>i know
13:33<ml|>unrar e file.rar
13:33<daniel>but I dont know how to unpack all sametimes..
13:33<daniel>I can mark all samtimes but.. all been in different directories
13:34<ml|>unrar will put them back together when extracting them
13:34<daniel>yeah but in this case no
13:35<ml|>why?
13:35<daniel>no clue
13:35<ml|>error?
13:35<daniel>have you access to remote?
13:35<daniel>no
13:35<ml|>daniel: ??
13:36<daniel>it should be very helpful
13:36<daniel>ml you say I just chose 1 of the files and take extract
13:36<daniel>but I just get 1 file of the files when I do that..
13:36<ml|>daniel: is one name file.rar?
13:37<daniel>I send screenshot..
13:37<ml|>use picpaste.com
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13:37<daniel>http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3481/screenshotjoi.png
13:38<ml|>daniel: those are .zip files
13:38<daniel>sorry I saw that now but how can I multi extract em?
13:39<daniel>sorry
13:39<daniel>haha
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13:39<ml|>daniel: unzip *.zip should wourk
13:39<ml|>*work
13:39<daniel>just mark all and extract?
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13:40<daniel>"extract here"
13:40<daniel>I will remove the directory then when installation complete so it rly doesnt matter.
13:40<ml|>i guess, but i meant in a terminal
13:40<daniel>oh cool
13:41<daniel>never done that xD
13:41<daniel>Dapeamel:/home/daniel/Desktop/AUTODESK_MAYA_UNLIMITED_V2009_LINUX64-XFORCE#
13:41<daniel>now?
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13:41<daniel>im in
13:41<ml|>daniel: unzip *.zip should work
13:42<daniel>how do I wrote? the command
13:42<ml|>daniel: man unzip for more info, what?
13:42<daniel>ok
13:42<cahoot>daniel: doesn't the package come with installation instructions?
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13:43<ml|>it does have an .nfo file in ss
13:44<adb>x-force.nfo, 5.37 KB
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13:45<daniel>yeah I wrote it private to chaoot
13:47<daniel>ok done
13:47<daniel>:)
13:47<daniel>nos just install hmm
13:48<daniel>or bah not done lol
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13:50<daniel>how do I wrote to unpack loads unzip -l xm2k9c01? haha
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13:52<bremner>anyone sucessfully used bttracker.debian.org recently?
13:54<o-o>was it pointing to thepiratebay.org?
13:55<bremner>not to my knowledge. Not that I know anything abotu thepiratebay.org, no sir.
13:55<bremner>*about
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13:58<ranix>piratebay.org? what's that?
13:59<daniel>omg
13:59<daniel>a torrent site
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14:01<fronix>hmm ive just setup my mailserver and configured postfix with mysql and when i tested last time the smtp was working now when i write telnet localhost smtp it closes the connection instant.
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14:26<imatsu>anybody know, how much weight cpan mirror?
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14:36<arthur_>hi, I use a self build kernel with pfring support. after applying this patch (http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=e694958388c50148389b0e9b9e9e8945cf0f1b98) my kernel wont compile.
14:37<arthur_>an hints what to llok for
14:37<arthur_>any hints what to look for ?
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14:44<jthomas_sb_>If I lower the keepalive at /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time on a server, does that affect at all the clients that are connected to that server? or just the connections that the server initiates?
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14:58<daniel>hi guys can someone help me to install rpm files with alien?
14:58<Someone>im not fucking helping
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14:59<valdyn>daniel: dont do it
14:59<kodein>Someone *please* think of the children!
14:59<daniel>why?
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15:00<valdyn>daniel: it doesnt accomplish anything useful
15:00<daniel>but how will I install my rpm files?
15:00<valdyn>daniel: not at all
15:01<valdyn>daniel: is there really software that is distributed *only* as rpm and not as .tarball?
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15:02<ranix>valdyn: yes
15:02<ml|>daniel: what you want is not in debian repos?
15:04<dr|z3d>daniel: Try alien.
15:04<dr|z3d>!alien
15:04<dpkg_>from memory, alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to Debian, Debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well. http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/
15:05<daniel>I have alien
15:05<valdyn>the whole point is that using alient to convert rpm->deb directly is shite
15:05<daniel>yeah
15:05<daniel>I understand its a converting prog
15:05<daniel>I had a error message it miss some scripts..
15:05<valdyn>daniel: you didnt answer my question
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15:27<Someone>op pl0x
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15:29<jthomas_sb_>closed software is often .rpm files, but installing them onto a debian system won't get you any support from that vendor
15:31<bremner>or from #debian
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15:41<xeon-enouf>daniel: get the source
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15:53<ml|>judd: wb
15:53<judd>ml|: Error: "wb" is not a valid command.
15:53<ml|>heh
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15:54*adb on freenode [21:53:17] <judd> adb: Error: "wb" is not a valid command
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15:55<ml|>adb: wow nice timing ;)
15:55<kodein>hey, wait a minute... if I say "no" to participating in popcon, why is the installer installing it anyway?
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15:57<Gomer>hi all! Everytime I log in my "Master" channel in alsamixer and kmix is muted. "alsactl store" doesn't help. Anyone got an idea?
15:57<adb>ml|: was a partial one , missing "Aug 25 ...", heh
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16:08<pronk>Hi, just upgraded lenny to squeeze however it does not dhcp connect and I have no KDE systemsettings.
16:08<pronk>how do i enable dhcp connect on the commandline?
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16:09<pronk>games run fine though :-)
16:11<chealer>pronk: for one time, you use dhclient
16:12<chealer>Gomer: but that doesn't happen before you login, right?
16:12<Gomer>dunnow. haven't checked that actually.
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16:14<chealer>Gomer: if it only happens when starting kmix, check kmix configuration
16:14<Gomer>i will. thx. haven't thought about that.
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16:15<pronk>chealer: thanks I have internet now!
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16:16<pronk>will use aptitude to install missing kde packages form squeeze default install now.
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16:47<themagikphrog>hi from wisconsin
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16:50<adb>wb dpkg_
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16:52<computergeek>For some reason, the X server won't start.
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16:53<computergeek>The last change I made was installing compiz
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16:54<computergeek>I just rebooted the computer and now it won't start
16:55<adb>!compiz
16:55<dpkg_>Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz . http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net.
16:55<computergeek>adb: I uninstalled compiz and rebooted but it still won't start
16:55<computergeek>maybe the xorg.conf got corrupted?
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16:57<adb>check it , see > grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
16:57<computergeek>hng on
16:58<computergeek>adb: the only lines were one that mentioned SCREEN and one that said what different codes mean, including EE
16:58<computergeek>no true errors
17:00<adb>which video card , proper driver is installed ?
17:00<computergeek>idk what card or driver
17:00<computergeek>the thing is that it was working fine before
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17:12<computergeek>is there a way to reinstall a certain package from aptitude or apt
17:13<adb>man aptitude or apt
17:13<rudi_s>computergeek: aptitude reinstall
17:13<computergeek>rudi_s: so like aptitude reinstall package_name
17:13<rudi_s>computergeek: Yes.
17:14<computergeek>thanks
17:14<rudi_s>np
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17:21<Getty>man i cant bring that touchscreen to work :-/ drivers are from some stoneage
17:23<sander_m>Hi. How does installing iceweasel plugins from aptitude work in Debian? I am interested in trying vimperator, but this computer is used by multiple users. I can't force my girlfriend to use vimperator just because I do :-)
17:24<dondelelcaro>sander_m: so install the plugin, and disable vimperator in her preferences
17:24<dondelelcaro>(you can have plugins installed which are disabled)
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17:25<sander_m>dondelelcaro: Okay. So plugins installed through apt(itude) are automatically enabled for all users?
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17:26<dondelelcaro>sander_m: depends on the plugin, but they're available for all users.
17:26<dondelelcaro>sander_m: in the case of vimperator, it's enabled by default
17:26<sander_m>dondelelcaro: Okay, thanks!
17:27<dondelelcaro>(I can't think of a plugin which isn't enabled by default, but it's certainly something that could be done)
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17:32<m_vrik>I feel stupid asking this question, but -- I have a Debian Testing base OS with Fluxbox window manager. I start Fluxbox from my login prompt with "startx" command. When finished with Fluxbox, I exit to the login prompt. I can't figure out how to shut down the system without becoming root and issuing the "halt" command. There must be a better way.
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17:33<dr|z3d>m_vrik: Try alt+f2 -> gksudo shutdown -h 0
17:33<dr|z3d>That is, assuming you have gksudo installed. Otherwise, perform shutdown -h 0 from a terminal.
17:34<dr|z3d>(as root).
17:34<m_vrik>Thanks driz3d. I'll try them and get back.
17:34<bja>su -c "shutdown -h now"
17:35<m_vrik>Thanks bja! Another option.
17:35<dr|z3d>0 is two characters shorter than now, bja. :)
17:36<computergeek>rudi_s: sorry for the long response. I had to take a break
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17:36<computergeek>I get the message: I wasn't able to locate file for the xserver-xorg package.
17:37<computergeek>This might mean you have to manually fix the package."
17:37<computergeek>What's that mean?
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17:39<dr|z3d>That means headache for you, computergeek.
17:39<computergeek>thanks
17:39<computergeek>ironic laugh
17:40<computergeek>Maybe it happened because I used lenny-proposed-updates
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17:41<computergeek>dr|z3d: I installed compiz and then upgraded everything to lenny-proposed-updates
17:41<computergeek>then rebooted
17:41<m_vrik>bja: su -c "shutdown -h now" gave an error message of no such command. drlz3d: if I use "shutdown -h 0" as root then I might as well use "halt".
17:42<computergeek>I uninstalled compiz but I can't figure out how to downgrade from proposed-updates
17:42<kop>m_vrik: You could give the full path, /sbin/shutdown
17:42<m_vrik>From the user prompt?
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17:43<kop>m_vrik: su -c "/sbin/shutdown -h now"
17:43<m_vrik>kop: OK, I'll try it.
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17:49<m_vrik>drlz3d: <sudo shutdown -h 0> and my user password worked fine since I've added myself to the sudoers file.
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17:49<m_vrik>Thanks for your help!
17:50<bja>!next
17:50<dpkg_>Another happy customer leaves the building.
17:52<bja>m_vrik: do you have su installed, i am certain that it should work
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17:54<m_vrik>drjz3d: Sorry that I got your Xchat ID wrong. bja: yes! I can try it again. That was <su -c "shutdown -h now">, correct?
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17:55<Getty>ok i get totally confused, how you confuse the stuff like "ServerLayout" or "InputDevice" of X in the age of lenny?
17:55<m_vrik>Oh dr|z3d that supposed to be a pipe!
17:55<Getty>aehm s/confuse/configure/
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18:02<m_vrik>bja: You're right <su -c "shutdown -h now"> does work after providing my root password. Thanks.
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18:05<m_vrik>Color test.
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18:35<user01>is there a good online debian based storage service like mozy?
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18:40<stroyan>user01: Have a look at http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/007641.html for a list of S3 based online backups
18:41<user01>stroyan, cool, thanks!
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18:43<user01>it says that Mac and Linux versions appear to be planned.\
18:43<And1>Hey folks, how can I install qtgtkstyle from experimental in sid?
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18:44<And1>Hmm, well, the package I mean is qt4-x11.
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18:48<xeon-enouf>And1: you run sid? and you have to ask that?
18:48<And1>I'm just using sid in a chroot.
18:49<mnemoc>hi, what do I need to do to give permissions to a user to reboot/shutdown from the desktop environment icons? she (wife) is already in the sudo group and the icons are still disabled :(
18:49<xeon-enouf>install as you would any other pkg
18:49<xeon-enouf>mnemoc: add her to powerdev group
18:49<And1>xeon-enouf: I can't find the package via 'aptitude -t experimental search qtgtkstyle', nor I find something like qt4-x11...
18:49<xeon-enouf>mnemoc: also, might be a DE specific setting - through its' ControlPanel/Center
18:50<xeon-enouf>And1: does p.d.o list it?
18:51<And1>xeon-enouf: Nope. But this bugrepots says, it's available in experimental: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=507143#35 ... hmm.
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18:51<mnemoc>xeon-enouf: powerdev was enough, thanks! (btw, DE=Xfce)
18:51<xeon-enouf>And1: perhaps it hassince been removed
18:51<xeon-enouf>mnemoc: ;-)
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18:52<mnemoc>now i only need to get the audio working =)
18:52<user01>stroyan, jungle disk works with debian lenny?
18:53<xeon-enouf>mnemoc: /msg dpkg groups (for some more general groups info)
18:53<xeon-enouf>heh
18:53<mnemoc>xeon-enouf: thanks
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18:54<user01>i wonder ig ubuntu one works on debian . . .
18:54<mnemoc>dpkg_: please renick =(
18:55<xeon-enouf>dpkg_: test
18:56<abrotman>!hi
18:56<dpkg_>hello, abrotman
18:56<abrotman>awesome
18:56<xeon-enouf>mnemoc: http://dpkg.vireo.org/factoid.php?key=groups
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18:57<xeon-enouf>dpkg_: say "a happy boutros boutros ghali to you abrotman"
18:58<xeon-enouf>:-(
18:58<bja>dpkg_: moo
18:58<bja>dpkg: moo
18:58<dpkg_>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis3.0/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
18:58<abrotman>!say leave me alone
18:58<dpkg_>leave me alone
18:58<stroyan>user01: I haven't used jungledisk myself. It looks like it should work with lenny.
18:59<bja>guess dpkg is dependent on its static link and not the one he is registered at the moment
18:59<bja>s/link/nick
18:59<user01>stroyan, which one do you use?
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19:17<mnemoc>there is any dark magic that makes usermod refuse ("no changes") to add people to plugdev group?
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19:18<xeon-enouf>mnemoc: perhaps .. er .. tried 'gpasswd user group'?
19:18<mnemoc>(yes, we aren't listed there yet, ... and hal fails to mount stuff)
19:19<dredtrake>i all
19:19<xeon-enouf>mnemoc: you can setup defaults for new users using useradd (in/etc/default/useradd) and for adduser (in /etc/adduser.conf, IIRC)
19:20<dredtrake>i've got weird thing on my apache error.log file like => [Wed Aug 26 00:37:24 2009] [error] [client 92.243.8.139] Invalid method in request \x16\x03\x01
19:20*mnemoc writes that down
19:21<abrotman>dredtrake: someone is trying to overflow it .. probably thinks you're an IIS box
19:21<dredtrake>and also some other one like similar but with different ip
19:21<dredtrake>abrotman: yeah what can i do to prevent this ?
19:22<mnemoc>.oO( why the heck there is more than one cmd line tool to alter the same file?!! )o.
19:22<mnemoc>xeon-enouf: gpasswd worked
19:22<mnemoc>xeon-enouf: thx
19:22<abrotman>dredtrake: uhm .. prevent what?
19:22<xeon-enouf>np
19:23<dredtrake>is it dangerous ?in fact i dont realize what is the overflow
19:23<dredtrake>i go check that ;)
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19:24<abrotman>dredtrake: depends which overflow/web server they're trying to exploit
19:24<dredtrake>oki
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19:44<ubuntu>hi
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19:50<InkBottle>Hi, ntpdate (depreciated), ntpd, rdate? what would be the right tool to have the right time? (and next what should be configured for it to work?)
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19:50<Nemoder>why is ntpdate depreciated?
19:50<abrotman>!set the time
19:50<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior.
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19:52<InkBottle>hi :)
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19:54<InkBottle>abrotman: thanks
19:54<InkBottle>I install it and see the man page
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19:56<InkBottle>it is strange that several package like kcontrol still recommends ntpdate (never mind)
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19:59<chealer>InkBottle: kcontrol is also remove from testing
19:59<InkBottle>:)
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20:00<InkBottle>chealer: by the way thanks for the tips of staying on 2.6.26 (for the sound problem: the sound level went back just as it was)
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20:04<stroyan>user01: I just use backuppc with a local network. I don't keep regular offsite backups. :-(
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20:07<user01>stroyan, yeah i dont know, i was thinking it was maybe about time i tried offsite backups instead of a home network
20:07<chealer>InkBottle: for the record, I didn't advise to stay on 2.6.26, just to try it for debugging
20:07<user01>stroyan, but it seems still expensive
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20:08<user01>i was hoping for $5 i could get unlimited storage on any linux computer
20:09<user01>but the $5 deals seem to be only for one computer running windows almost
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20:09<InkBottle>chealer: :) sure I won't stay forever on 2.6.26, but the sound had dimmed with 2.6.30, and it came back with 2.6.26. Sure I don't know what to do next...
20:10<user01>might as well just keep using my 8gb of free storage with google :)
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20:13<InkBottle>I installed ntpd, and have done nothing more, and the time is correct now (magic)
20:14<InkBottle>chealer: have you heard of other people who had the same issue?
20:15<chealer>InkBottle: no
20:15<InkBottle>thanks
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20:15<kardan>is there a standard / RFC to implement options for applications?
20:16<InkBottle>I go back to what I was doing. Thanks every body, bye.
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20:19<kardan>I missed the correct definition ..
20:20<rowdy>hi, i am a total newbie to symfony. I am trying out the jobeet doctrine tutorial with sqlite and i am getting "unable to open database file". I was able to setup the database tables through symfony though
20:20<rowdy>any ideas why this is happening..
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20:20<rowdy>sorry wrong channel
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20:23<ezzy>Hi when I try to install nvidia drivers it complains about the 32 bit libraries not being in the right spot.
20:24<kardan>ezzy you need the nvidia kernel module installed
20:24<ezzy>the driver itself installs not the 32 bit libraries
20:24<ezzy>oh
20:24<ezzy>nvm
20:24<ezzy>leme try that
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20:27<ezzy>nvidia-kernel-source?
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20:50<Getty>trying again hrhr: ok i get totally confused, how you configure the stuff like "ServerLayout" or "InputDevice" of X in the age of lenny?
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20:53<abrotman>create an xorg.conf
20:56<Getty>ah so i should just add to the empty xorg.conf and its taken beside defaults?
20:57<abrotman>!xorg config
20:57<dpkg>From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Things like resolution are configured by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. As a result, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often mostly blank but you can feed xorg settings using it still. Use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout and use "X -configure" as a template for your handwritten xorg.conf.
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20:58<Getty>oh cool thanks
20:58<Getty>that was what i needed
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21:16<user_nasms>Hello Guys, I'm using Squeeze AMD64, and i'm trying to do my Debian Faster. I tried all these things http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=31275 and i cleaned up my harddisk. Someone have another tip of how to do it?
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21:16<Someone>Get a faster CPU
21:16<Someone>And more ram
21:17<Someone>8 gigs and an intel i7 should do it
21:17<user_nasms>ok, some tip that not involve money wasting?
21:18<Someone>overclock ur cpu
21:18<Getty>sell your sister
21:19<abrotman>user_nasms: what part of it is slow ?
21:19<user_nasms>boot
21:19<user_nasms>and gnome loading
21:20<abrotman>which takes? 15 seconds ?
21:20<Getty>dns reverse lookup problem? i mean its a classic ;)
21:20<user_nasms>gnome or boot?
21:20<Getty>both splitted
21:20<Getty>gnome, do you mean only gdm or with login procedure?
21:20<Getty>login procedure could take some time
21:21<Getty>gdm startup should be farly fast after "rest of boot"
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21:21<user_nasms>boot i say until appear gdm login: 50 seconds
21:21<user_nasms>after password aceppted 15 seconds
21:22<dr|z3d>user_nasms: If you're complaining about speed, try slim instead of gdm, and xfce instead of gnome.
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21:23<user_nasms>dr|z3d, i have enough speed during use,
21:23<user_nasms>my problem is loading....
21:24<dr|z3d>Try slim first.
21:24<dr|z3d>And installing bum and disabling unneeded services from starting also a good idea.
21:25<user_nasms>what do you mean with slim? Deleting unused things? Clear HD? Uninstalling unused applications ?
21:25<abrotman>he's going to end up loading up all those gnome/gtk libs anyways
21:26<dr|z3d>slim is a lightweight greeter.
21:26<dr|z3d>it replaces gdm's functionality.
21:26<dr|z3d>And it's faster.
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21:27<user_nasms>dr|z3d, is slim on repository?
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21:27<abrotman>dr|z3d: he's using gnome ..
21:28<user_nasms>yes
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21:28<dr|z3d>abrotman: slim works fine with gnome.
21:29<dr|z3d>It also is preceptibly faster to load than gdm.
21:29<user_nasms>abrotman, i think im not using all cpu during boot loading
21:29<abrotman>dr|z3d: you're missing the point ..
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21:32<dr|z3d>user_nasms: install bootchart if you want to check that.
21:32<dr|z3d>abrotman: Entirely possible. :)
21:33<user_nasms>dr|z3d after booting how can i see the bootchart?
21:36<user_nasms>abrotman, there are any services that must be slowing my system?
21:36<user_nasms>i type rcconf, can i list the services? then can u help me with these?
21:37<abrotman>user_nasms: i do not have intimate knowledge of your system ...
21:37<user_nasms>hum,
21:37<user_nasms>there are a service, atd. what is it?
21:38<abrotman>it's minor ..
21:38<abrotman>don't stop it
21:40<user_nasms>binfmt-support?
21:40<abrotman>did you check your system logs for errors that might indicate why ?
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21:42<user_nasms>yes, no errors, some warnings about firestarter, that i have removed yesterday, so it mustnot appear again
21:43<user_nasms>i have a service called bootlogs.
21:44<user_nasms>where must be the logs made?
21:46<sney>man, bts is slow tonight
21:46<sney>probably in /var/log
21:46<user_nasms>i found nothing there
21:46<sney>man bootlogs might tell you
21:47<user_nasms>No manual
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21:50<user_nasms>i'm searching for this on google... but nothing
21:51<ert34>It's not the first time that it happens with an app. I try to purge but when I reinstall, using purge before, the app keeps the unexpected configurations.
21:51<ert34>I am trying to fix my problem with transmission, but I can't make a install from scratch because of this.
21:52<abrotman>ert34: it probablyt has a -common package
21:52<ert34>transmission is the bittorrent client
21:52<ert34>abrotman, I purged them all.
21:53<abrotman>did you remove your dotfiles ?
21:53<abrotman>for transmissions
21:53<abrotman>transmission
21:54<ert34>When I purged it and restarted the computer I saw nothing .transmission dirs
21:54<ert34>in my $HOME
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21:54<sney>jesus christ on a bicycle bts is slow tonight
21:54<ert34>But the apt is supposed to purge the config files also, isn't it?
21:54<abrotman>~/.config/transmission/
21:55<abrotman>not the config files in your $HOME
21:55<ert34>crap, I never heard about it before
21:55<ert34>lol
21:56<ert34>so I need delete it?
21:57<user_nasms>i dont know if thats a common bug, but my trash isnt working. if i send files to trash, it wont go to trash on my desktop. (it go to .local/trash, but nothing with Desktop icon) (Squeeze AMD64)
21:57<ert34>I deleted.
21:57<ert34>I don't have a transmission icon anymore
21:57<ert34>In my main menu
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21:59<Getty>hmpf, my tool thinks i have 2048x2048 resolution
21:59<ert34>but, I think that transmission is the best bittorrent client by far
21:59<Getty>the X -configure didnt setup right the resolutions
22:01<Getty>how can i find out in which resolution i run right now in KDE? :)
22:02<adb>xrandr ?
22:02<Getty>actually KDE control center doesnt give me the option of the resolution i have (i got 800x480) and it seems that viewport changing doesnt do anything
22:02<Getty>ok checking
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22:02<Getty>ok its not 800 x 480
22:02<Getty>so i must now add the mode with xrandr?
22:03<azilot>hello, i have a little problem with compiz
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22:03<ert34>Transmission tells that my port is closed, even making a nat rule.
22:03<abraham>azilot whats the problem
22:03<ert34>Can my firewall blocks it?
22:04<user_nasms>(does anyone know what is vbesave service?)
22:04<abrotman>yes .. for X .. leave it alone
22:04<user_nasms>and about the trash problem?
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22:05<user_nasms>"Trash icon on Desktop dont works, neither trash:///
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22:06<user_nasms>About bootlogs: It runs in the background and copies all strings sent to the /dev/console device to a logfile.
22:08<user_nasms>wait a minute
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22:16<user_nasms>I come back. i was trying to copy the error during gnome loading
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22:17<Getty>what replaced "Modes" Screen/Display section?
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22:18<abrotman>xrandr ?
22:18<adama26>automagic?
22:18<user_nasms>ttp://pastebin.ca/1542650
22:19<user_nasms>http://pastebin.ca/1542650
22:19<user_nasms>error during gnome loading, after gdm
22:21<azilot>i have problem with compiz. It does not save settings.
22:21<azilot>does anybody know why?
22:22<azilot>i`m using debian lenny with gnome
22:22<Getty>this touchscreen makes me nuts
22:22<azilot>i now why it does not save - coz it have not enough rights
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22:23<azilot>but how to grant them?
22:23<azilot>i tried run with sudo - it works. But i need to autostart compiz
22:24<azilot>so, right way is not to drop compiz?
22:25<dr|z3d>user_nasms: /var/log/bootchart as I recall.
22:25<adama26>compiz is fine for me, but I don't know where the settings are
22:25<user_nasms>dr|z3d nothing
22:26<dr|z3d>Did you reboot?
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22:27<user_nasms>dr|z3d, abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/1542654 this is my log from a restart. I didnt see anthing wrong, please give a look
22:27<user_nasms>dr|z3d yes
22:27<dr|z3d>locate bootchart
22:27<azilot>adama26: compiz settings are at compiz-settings-manager
22:28<abrotman>looks okay to me .. from what i can tell
22:29<user_nasms>thanks
22:30<user_nasms>and about trash:///
22:30<azilot>so, cany anybody help me with compiz? i know, it`s not so important. But i like compiz and nice desktop switching
22:30<user_nasms>do anyone know something?
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22:33<tjader>I'm trying to create a debian chroot, but I can't access the network from inside the chroot. Anyone knows what may be the problem?
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22:34<user_nasms>ow.. about trash problem, i think it may be because im using 2.6.26 kernel
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22:36<Getty>ok who got my pen???
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22:37<adama26>I was just using it for a minute to clean out my ears
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22:38<Getty>damnit janet!
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22:38<azilot>i know, that i`m annoying, but can anybody help with compiz?
22:38<Getty>i totally dont get what todo
22:38<Getty>the driver is there and anything
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22:39<Getty>the resolution of the X is "somehow" right
22:39<Getty>but still the touchscreen makes the "touch effect" 10times smaller
22:39<Getty>so if i click bottom right, i get a click on the upper left a bit down under
22:39<Getty>but upper left and upper left "fits"
22:39<Getty>its just a "dimension" problem
22:40<Getty>but the driver tool of the touchscreen still says i got 2048x2048, but i have 800x480
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22:41<ErKloN>hola comunidad
22:41<ErKloN>soy nuevo en esto
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22:46<adama26>azilot: try running ccsm from the command line and see if it shows any errors
22:47<Getty>man dammit it doesnt work
22:48<azilot>libccs: dlopen: /usr/lib/compizconfig/backends/libgconf.so: could not open separated file
22:48<azilot>separated object file?
22:49<azilot>libccs: dlopen: / usr / lib / compizconfig / backends / libgconf.so: can not open shared object file: No such file or directory
22:50<azilot>hm and in russian it was separated
22:51<adama26>??
22:51<adama26>google that error?
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22:56<Miro>guys, what about Madwifi on Squeeze AMD64 2.6.30-1?
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22:57<Miro>ill have to compile it by myself?
22:57<abrotman>judd: versions madwifi-source
22:57<judd>abrotman: madwifi-source -- etch/non-free: 1:0.9.2+r1842.20061207-2etch2 lenny/non-free: 1:0.9.4+r3772.20080716-1 sid/non-free: 1:0.9.4+r3772.20080716-1
22:57<abrotman>looks that way .. or grab the source package from sid
22:58<Miro>i grab the source package... and make?
22:58<adama26>!ssb
22:58<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
22:58<abrotman>Miro: you could probably grab it ... dpkg -i it .. try to use m-a
22:58<chealer>abrotman: there's no madwifi-source in sid
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22:59<chealer>Miro: if you want to use it, yes
22:59<abrotman>chealer: look above a few lines
22:59<abrotman><judd> abrotman: madwifi-source -- etch/non-free: 1:0.9.2+r1842.20061207-2etch2 lenny/non-free: 1:0.9.4+r3772.20080716-1 sid/non-free: 1:0.9.4+r3772.20080716-1
22:59<chealer>abrotman: judd is outdated since a while
22:59<abrotman>unless that's not really a package
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23:00<abrotman>Miro: though a fair number of atheros cards work with ath5k/9k
23:00<chealer>stew: could you acknowledge you're aware of judd being outdated?
23:00*abrotman updates judd
23:00<Miro>what is the difference between madwifi and ath5k?
23:01<chealer>Miro: I guess one is free, the other is not. and consequently, one can't be in the main kernel tree
23:02<abrotman>i think madwifi is no longer being updated ?
23:02<Miro>humm... ill have to use ath5k (dpkg told)
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23:07<Miro>Is AR5007EG Supported by ath5k?
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23:13<chealer>Miro: it doesn't seem to be, but $ lspci -nn; should give you a PCI id
23:14<tbrock>guys how can i figure out why dnsmasq isn't working
23:14<tbrock>worked right before i upgraded to lenny
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23:18<Gun_Smoke>lately I've been having a strange problem connecting wireless while on campus. I am able to connect just fine once I get there, however it seems once is all I get until I get home, back on my wired network and then the next day all is well again. What the heck?
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23:21<Gun_Smoke>I don't know a much at all about networking. I have a few minutes tonight and a couple in the morning to try and figure this out. ideas on where to start? what might be happening? other students have no problems at all.. all running ms systems of course.
23:21<gsimmons>chealer: AR2425/AR5007* is supported in mainline's ath5k since 2.6.27 IIRC.
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23:26<Getty>i got it!.... man now i wanna kill someone 8-D
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23:26<Someone>DONT KILL ME
23:26<Someone>:'(
23:27<Getty>its again such a hilarious problem
23:27<Getty>the documentation says: "do the auto option OR give the exact device"
23:28<Getty>so i did gave the exact device, cause i'm no noob
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23:28<Getty>he found something, but mapped it wrong... using Device "usbauto" fixed anything
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23:30<vince>Good Evening
23:31<vince>sney: Ok, It's loaded
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23:31<chealer>Gun_Smoke: explain the symptoms
23:32<Gun_Smoke>chealer, I go to the library connect to one of the many open 'studen
23:32<chealer>gsimmons: I can't see that anywhere, but maybe... I don't know ath5k
23:32<Gun_Smoke>... student networks, shutdown leave, hit up say the lounge, or return to the library and I'm done getting on the network for the day.
23:33<Gun_Smoke>Go home, get on my wired network just fine as expected, or even wireless before the router died, and the following day when I return to campus all is well again..
23:34<Gun_Smoke>Debian polluting their network with something that gets my mac blacklisted or something?
23:35<Gun_Smoke>I suppose tomorrow I'll attempt to only use xp to perhaps narrow things down even further.
23:37<chealer>Gun_Smoke: don't expect the wireless network to work automatically on Debian. if it sometimes does, you're just very lucky.
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23:38<Gun_Smoke>chealer, why?
23:38<Getty>cause
23:38<adama26>Gun_Smoke: try making sure to do a DHCP release when you leave the library?
23:38<adama26>wireless works great for me
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23:39<Gun_Smoke>adama, shutdown -h should take care of that correct? way to force it?
23:39<Gun_Smoke>Getty, ?
23:39<Getty>Gun_Smoke: wireless is not such a snap under linux sometimes
23:39<adama26>Gun_Smoke: I think so... there is also a command "pump" to do it iirc
23:40<chealer>Gun_Smoke: it needs to be done. wireless drivers have room for improvement, and the user interface is just starting
23:42<Gun_Smoke>'pump' conflicts with 'dhcpcd'
23:42<vince>Would someone be willing to help me get the Binary NVIDIA Driver going in Squeeze please?
23:42<Someone>no
23:43<vince>Oh.............. Ok then
23:43<Someone>:p
23:43<vince>sney conned me into switching off from ubuntu yesterday and said he'd help but I think i've caught him napping.
23:44<Gun_Smoke>adama26, so if the dhcp is not being release when shutting down debian, would that also explain why xp wouldn't be able to connect either? something to do with mac address?
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23:47<adama26>vince: /msg dpkg nvidia m-a
23:47<adama26>vince: this works for me, squeeze and nvidia. Make sure your kernel's up to date first
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23:48<adama26>Gun_Smoke: yes it could be trying to detect MAC spoofing
23:49<Gun_Smoke>'macchanger' help me out there? fudge a number or two?
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23:49<adama26>if you like you can try that ;)
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23:50<gt__tony>#themanaworld.de
23:50<adama26>Gun_Smoke: the command is: ifconfig wlan0 hw ether 0c:12:etc
23:50<gt__tony>#themanaworld.de
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23:50<gt__tony>#test
23:50<gt__tony>#themanaworld.de
23:50<Gun_Smoke>adama26, alright, thanks for the ideas. I'll see what I can iron out tomorrow.
23:51<Gun_Smoke>gt__tony, / first
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23:51<Gun_Smoke>/join #bla
23:52<greg1313>hehehe
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23:56<ogt>!seen narcan
23:56<dpkg>narcan <~narcan@178.219.20.81.dynamic.adsl.abo.nordnet.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 10h 27m 17s ago, saying: 'why rar? its a tar.gz package'.
23:56<sney>vince: cleaning the house, got relatives visitin on thursday
23:57<sney>how far did you get?
23:58<vince>sney: Got the base system installed but theres a lot of glitches I need to sort out. Sound does not appear to be functioning, My network isn't being managed so everything thinks i'm offline at first and NVIDIA isn't loaded
23:58<vince>I was working on NVIDIA first since that is what started this scheme in the first place.
23:58<sney>ok, well network-manager and wicd are both good options for the network managing thing
23:59<sney>the debian wiki should have the relevant information for getting your sound up and running, I haven't been an expert on that one since ALSA was built into the kernel
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23:59<vince>Network manager is installed
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