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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-08-26

---Logopened Wed Aug 26 00:00:07 2009
---Daychanged Wed Aug 26 2009
00:00<vince>However it says No Network connection which is odd because obviously there is unless I somehow learned to beam my thoughts into the IRC room LOL
00:00<sney>though if you're on a wired network you shouldn't necessarily need either one
00:01<vince>sney: I'm relatively sure I can get sound going, Ubuntu used to give me headaches with that as well
00:01<vince>The network thing dosen't annoy me much yet
00:01<sney>heh, well it's probably just the same process you went through before
00:01<vince>NVIDIA is critical
00:02<sney>right. did you try the module-assistant thing that adama26 recommended? it was broken when I tried it but that was more than a week ago, and sometimes these things get fixed quickly
00:02<vince>Still broke
00:02<vince>Says there isn't an installation candidate
00:02<vince>tried to do the Nvidia installer directly, It says It dosen't have the kernal source
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00:03<vince>not sure where to get that for Debian
00:03<vince>yes I am pathentic LOL
00:03<sney>k. for the kernel source, aptitude (or apt-get) install linux-headers-`uname -r`
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00:03<sney>that might fix the whole thing, though it's possible you'll also need build-essential
00:04<vince>Says linux headers is already the newest version
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00:06<sney>I'm not vanishing, I'm just trying to think of what else I have installed that made it work
00:06<adama26>vince: I have squueze, and I upgraded my kernel to 2.6.30 yesterday and reinstalled the nvidia driver as per nvidia m-a and here I am :)
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00:08<vince>adama26 : Fresh install less than 10 minutes ago from the netinstall. Did the directions per the document
00:09<vince>If either of you want i'm happy to get VNC or something on here and let you guys take a crack at it
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00:10<sney>heh, normally that is a terrible idea
00:10<vince>Its a fresh install
00:10<sney>I must caution you against giving anyone else root access on your computer
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00:10<vince>What's the worst you could do besides wipe my drive?
00:11<sney>nuke your XP install, make your wife kill you?
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00:11<sney>I wouldn't, though. I've been there
00:11<vince>Backed up her bookmarks ;-)
00:11<vince>Just need to disconnect the external before I let you in
00:11<vince>But seriously
00:11<vince>If i run the command adama gives me I dumps this
00:11<vince>Reading state information... Done
00:11<vince>Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.
00:11<vince>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
00:11<vince>is only available from another source
00:11<vince>E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate
00:12-!-vince was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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00:12<vince>Or not.
00:12<sney>shoulda warned you about that
00:12<vince>LOL
00:12<sney>I think it's paste.debian.de
00:12<sney>but yeah I see what you mean, does the same thing happen if you aptitude update?
00:13<sney>you might need to put contrib and non-free into your sources.list
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00:13<vince>http://pastebin.com/m40b9972f
00:13<vince>and agian I run the NIVIDA installer from their site, It says the Kernal source isn't loaded
00:13<adama26>vince: you need to add non-free sources
00:13<adama26>nvidia-glx: 173.14.09-5 http://ftp.ca.debian.org squeeze/non-free
00:14<vince>adama26, I did through the software sources conrrol panel
00:14<adama26>never used it...
00:14<sney>check sources.list, sometime synaptic is terrible
00:14<vince>one sec
00:14<sney>if you're not comfortable with a console editor you can use sux and leafpad
00:14<vince>sudo gedit
00:14<sney>huh I didn't realize sudo could figure out X
00:15<sney>learn something new every day
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00:15<vince>you can do that
00:15<vince>or gksudo and it will give you the shiny screen prompt
00:15<adama26>gksu I think is the correct tool to use, for those of us that don't have sudo set up
00:15<vince>or it will in Ubuntu anyway
00:16<sney>bah I just use vim
00:16<vince>If I learned on vim I would too
00:16<vince>There were some DOS tools I used way back in the day
00:16<sney>heh
00:16<adama26>nano is easy to use
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00:16<sney>anyway, what's your sources.list say? it's in /etc/apt
00:16<sney>again, pastebin
00:16<vince>Pasting it now
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00:17<vince>http://pastebin.com/m43462581
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00:17<adama26>put non-free on your ftp.us lines
00:18<vince>ok
00:18<adama26>I'm off to bed. I have faith that you will get it!!
00:18<vince>done one sec
00:19<vince>did that did an update and rerunning the script
00:19<vince>I should learn VIM or NANO, one of these days i'm going to run into a broke box and not have a live CD handy to boot from
00:20<vince>Either that or i'll run a server without gnome on it
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00:21<vince>Ok, This seems to be working better now than before. I thought when I checked the NON FREE boxes in Synaptic it would enable all the non free's like in ubuntu. It's amazing how different these two systems are even though Ubuntu is based off this
00:22<vince>Ok now it says " Build of the package nvidia-kernel-souce failed! How do you wish to proceed?
00:22<sney>does it show an error message or just "failed"
00:23<vince>Just failed, Im checking the build log to see if it gives me any specifics
00:23<vince>Lots of errors at the end
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00:24<lupa>hi
00:25<vince>Hi lupa
00:25<lupa>Hi Vince. Where are you from?
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00:25<vince>Lupa: Michigan USA originally, Now in Florida. Why do you ask?
00:26<vince>Sney: Trying to find someway to copy paste this
00:26<vince>First it said I was using compiler 4.3.4 instead of 4.3.3
00:26<sney>ohh yeah, there's a thing about that on the wiki iirc
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00:27<lupa>Vince: I d'ont know. Maybe curiosity
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00:33<sney>vince: hey, proprietary drivers are a pain in the ass, but at least here you're getting support, right? :D
00:34<lupa>Vince: I would like to get the testking for lpi test. Do you have?
00:34<vince>lupa: I don't sorry
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00:35<vince>sney: Your helping me more today then a week of begging over at #ubuntu
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00:35<lupa>Vince: Ok. Tank you.
00:35<sney>lupa: what's that, a cram program or something? I took lpi basically in my sleep :P
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00:36<vince>sney, Where can I get the older version of gcc?
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00:37<lupa>sney: They are questions about the exam of certification
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00:39<sney>actually vince, the 4.3.4/4.3.3 thing might not be the problem - was there anything else glaring at you in the error?
00:39<vince>LOTS
00:39<vince>But I had no way to copy paste it
00:39<vince>let me see if I can find the build log file
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00:40<vince>Ok sney, I found it one sec and i'll throw it in the bin
00:41<sney>ok
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00:41<sney>heh I just found it too, you're way ahead of me
00:41<vince>http://pastebin.com/m7f31238
00:42<sney>ok, the wifey is dragging me to the 24 hour mcdonalds, I'll be back shortly
00:42<vince>HAHA, I know how that is
00:42<vince>I'll be here :-)
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01:13<ssmktb>hello all,
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01:16<ssmktb>i have a troube with installing wine on knoppix,
01:16<ssmktb>somebodz help me---_
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01:23<chealer>!tell ssmktb about knoppix
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01:25<sney>dang 24 hour mcdonalds has to be like 8 miles away, right?
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01:35<sney>hey vince, those are some hairy errors.
01:35<sney>doh
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02:06<nicoibm>be?
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02:07<nicoibm>?
02:07<sney>hello
02:07<nicoibm>__________________________________
02:07<nicoibm>hello
02:08<nicoibm>my name is Davide
02:08<sney>!ask
02:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
02:09<nicoibm>parlate in italiano?
02:10<sney>solamente un pocino.
02:10<sney>!it
02:10<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
02:11<nicoibm>ok grazie... :-)
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02:19<ajavid>sney, I advise against fast food.
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02:19<sney>ajavid: so do I! except in the middle of the night, when it's too late to cook and everything else is closed.
02:20<ajavid>sney, keep fruits in your house, they are a good snack
02:20<sney>heh you don't need to tell me
02:20<ajavid>sney, cut fastfood out of your life, its poison.
02:20<sney>whoa getting a little zealot in here
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02:21<dondelelcaro>np
02:21<ajavid>dondelelcaro, wrong c han
02:21<ajavid>lol :)
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02:42<Yoda-BZH`Wk>salut/hi
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03:42<adri>Can anyone help? I installed IPB forum which requires cp1251 case of Bulgarian eezikov package, read its Bulgarian but can not write in Cyrillic and write only???
03:43<adri>I know that Debian works on UTF-but the question is how to write in Cyrillic and read
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03:57<kylei_>Is it possible to install debian packages (*-dev libraries specifically) without root access and without recompiling them?
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04:04<kylei_>or is that not possible?
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04:20<wekt>kylei_: maybe fakeroot can help to install them, but I don't know
04:21<kylei_>i've condidered that, but would a fakeroot not need root access to setup?
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04:22<wekt>not if it can install to another base directory instead of /
04:22<kylei_>why is it so difficult to install the pre-compiled libraries wherever i please? are they compiled with absolute path names in them that cannot be reconfigured otherwise?
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04:25<ml|>kylei_: they are, if you want to install them where you want you need to compile them yourself and set the install dir
04:25<jelly>kylei_: it depends on how they are compiled... if one's not careful, they may end up with absolute paths, yes. There's some discussion about rpath in man ld
04:26<kylei_>ld is another issue. even with a fakeroot, how would I register the libraries (usually done with ldconfig)
04:27<jelly>you _are_ asking about -dev packages, which do not carry the dynamic libs, but other bits needed only for compilation
04:27<wekt>entries in /etc/ld.so.conf.d
04:28<jelly>"without root access", wekt
04:28<jelly>kylei_: is LD_LIBRARY_PATH good enough for you?
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04:29<jelly>kylei_: man ld.so
04:29<kylei_>that is placed within the bash bad?
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04:29<kylei_>bash path*
04:29<jelly>are you trying to build things or use already built binaries that need libs not installed?
04:30<jelly>!wayttd kylei_
04:30<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, kylei_?
04:30<hellais> /whois dpkg
04:31<kylei_>I am trying to compile code that requires a few libraries (mysqlclient library dev)
04:31<kylei_>I do not have root access
04:31<kylei_>the system does not have the libraries currently installed
04:32<jelly>I'd suggest making a complete chroot if you have the space, but I'm unsure if that can be done easily as a user
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04:33<kylei_>would it be easier to recompile libmysqlclient15-dev and it's dependencies than chrooting?
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04:34<jelly>kylei_: from my PoV, doing a fakeroot and debootstrap in it is easier.
04:34<kylei_>assuming a user can do so
04:35<jelly>I'm trying it as we speak
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04:35<jelly>(on this squeeze desktop)
04:35<kylei_>nice, thank you
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04:36<tcsetattr>people used to be able to get source and do the ./configure --prefix=$HOME;make;make install ... now we're all fat and lazy with tools that only work for root
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04:38<jelly>no go, only root can do chroot
04:38<kylei_>dang it sucks being fat and lazy
04:38<ml|>you can still do that, with certian things
04:38<jelly>big boned
04:38<ml|>heh
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04:43<dennis_p>squeeze kde - I just can't find system settings / network settings xml file. anybody know? System settings says i should trash it.
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04:45<dennis_p>as it's unreadable
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04:57<raboof>i have a mixed testing/unstable system. is there a way to do a 'dpkg --get-selections', and also show for each package whether it came from testing or unstable?
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05:05*raboof found apt-show-versions, nice
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05:06<ircleuser>hey guys. I recently changed over from Solaris to debian on one of my sun boxes, and I'm really happy.
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05:06<ircleuser>I'm having trouble with my second box, was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction in regards to my xorg driver
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05:08<ayarter>I'm using the Sun xvr-100, which is a radeon 7000. I just can't get he xserver to start
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05:11<raboof>is apt-get.org still the place to go for unofficial backports/packages? it seems rather slow these days.
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05:12<Maulkin>raboof: www.backports.org
05:13<ayarter>no one huh?
05:13<Maulkin>ayarter: further information, like /var/log/Xorg.0.log could be useful...
05:13<Maulkin>and !tell ayarter about ask
05:13<Maulkin>!tell ayarter about ask
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05:16<ayarter>allright. I've looked, so here goes. I have a problem with my xvr-100 video card. Xorg doesn't seem to want to work with it, but I know that the card is a radeon 7000. I'm running the sparc port of lenny, on my sunblade 2500. Lenny runs fine on my Sun ultra 2.
05:16<ayarter>Does anybody know of a way to use teh sun xvr-100 as a radeon 7000, or am I SOL and stuck on solaris on my workstation?
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05:16<raboof>Maulkin: yeah, but that's only for packages that are already in testing/unstable, and doesn't have a section for packages targeting testing/unstable
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05:17<Maulkin>raboof: Well, that's the place for unoffical backports. If you're missing a package, I'd try filing a RFP.
05:17<Maulkin>!rfp
05:17<dpkg>Request For Package is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>.
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05:20<Maulkin>ayarter: try adding Option "NoINT10" "true" to the Device section of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
05:20<Maulkin>Though without a log, it a bit hard to tell
05:21<ayarter>as of now, xorg.conf is blank. I put a generic xorg.conf in place.
05:21<ayarter>but i'm not even sure which driver to use.
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05:23<raboof>Maulkin: for example, i needed a 0.15 package of libgoocanvas where unstable still had a 0.13 version, and there's already a 5-month-old bugreport about that
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05:23<raboof>Maulkin: i'd like to help out, (a) give the maintainer input on what's needed to upgrade and (b) share my upgraded package with whoever else is interested
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05:24<ayarter>what does Option "NoINT10" "true" do?
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05:24<Maulkin>raboof: I'd suggest following up to the bug report with that :)
05:24<raboof>Maulkin: hmm, looks like there's also allready a 0.15 in ubuntu - is there a standard way of incorporating such 'downstream' changes?
05:25<raboof>Maulkin: yeah, that's (a) and I'll certainly do that, but I also want to do (b) :)
05:27<Maulkin>raboof: would could grab the ubuntu package and try and re-compile. Problem is if there's been a soname bump, you may need to redo all the dependancies too
05:28<ayarter>apparantly it still can't find the driver
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05:30<lbt_>anyone know how to split a multi-file diff into individual patch files (1/file)
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06:04<handjob>Hi gentleman. I am trying to play avi (xvid) file in vlc but all i can get is the audio. What do i need to install in order to stop watching in blind-mode?
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06:08<jackyf>handjob: you may try mplayer
06:08<handjob>Nevermind solved.
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06:10<handjob>No it's not solved. ; D
06:11<Yonut27>I found something very strange, I don't know if it is known. I am using lenny, and I have a directory with an album (Metallica - ...And Justice For All). In it, I always keep my art labeled with just the album name (...And Justice For All). But when I do a dir -A or a dir -a nothing appears with a leading .
06:11<handjob>jackyf, I am trying to play unfinished (torrent) file. Can mplayer hadle it?
06:11<Yonut27>the file is there, but only in my file browser, not from the command line
06:11<kodein>that'd all depend on how much and what has been downloaded
06:12<Yonut27>and what pieces you got first
06:12<jackyf>handjob: I was able to play download-in-progress files. If your download fills file from start to end, I would try.
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06:12<handjob>jackyf, Ok thanks for the tip i will try it out however i realy like vlc and it bugs me a bit.
06:13<Yonut27>is there anyway I can get this art file staring with ... to show when I do a dir?
06:13<petemc>Yonut27: does ls -la work?
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06:13<handjob>afk
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06:13<Yonut27>no, and the weird thing is, it doesn'
06:13<Yonut27>t show , or ,,
06:13<Yonut27>directories either
06:14<petemc>Yonut27: ls -la > foo.txt , pastebin foo.txt
06:14<Yonut27>and i tried with -A too
06:15<Yonut27>where is pastebin?
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06:15<petemc>there are many pastebin type sites, pick one
06:15<Yonut27>I 'll just use my site
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06:17<And1>Hey folks, when I select GTK in qt4-config, I get the message "QGtkStyle cannot be used together with the GTK_Qt engine.", though gtk-qt-engine isn't installed. Any ideas?
06:17<Yonut27>http://members.shaw.ca/channing/pastebin/foo.txt
06:17<Yonut27>that is unedited.
06:18<petemc>what was the command you ran to get that>
06:18<raboof>looks like a debian source package consists of a .orig.tar.gz and a .diff.gz. How is that .diff.gz produced?
06:18<raboof>I've been fiddling with different parameters to 'diff' but can't seem to get it quite right
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06:20<raboof>for example, how do i tell diff not to print the command used as the first output line?
06:21<Yonut27>shit I thought dir was just aliased with ls
06:21<petemc>no
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06:21<Lethalman>raboof, you don't need to tweak .diff.gz
06:21<Yonut27>sob
06:21<Lethalman>it's the whole package difference
06:21<Yonut27>must have been a different distro
06:21<Yonut27>ty
06:21<Yonut27>sorry
06:21<petemc>np
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06:22<raboof>Lethalman: I know. I made some changes and now I'd like to compare my version to the one in ubuntu
06:22<raboof>Lethalman: though I guess I could just diff the resulting directories to each other directly
06:22<tcsetattr>raboof, better use dpkg-source (or dpkg-buildpackage, which will call dpkg-source for you) to generate the orig.tar.gz and diff
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06:22<Lethalman>raboof, exactly
06:22<Lethalman>you don't have to diff the diff.gz
06:23<Lethalman>that has no sense
06:23<raboof>:)
06:24<Lethalman>raboof, the changelog is the first thing to look at when diffing packages
06:24<tcsetattr>actually you need to have the orig.tar.gz already. but let the dpkg-* tools do the diff'ing, easier than chasing down all the diff options to make a manual diff look just right
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06:30<kardan>I just tried to compile wesnoth on squeeze which appears to be more complicated than I thought
06:30<kardan><Ivanovic> kardan: the debian packages of boost are broken
06:30<kardan><Ivanovic> they split at some place and have not handled an internal dep that boost has
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06:33<adb>try /msg dpkg bpo , it seems it is in http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/w/wesnoth/
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06:34<adb>well maybe that works on squeeze ..
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06:35<adb>kardan: ^^
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06:37<kardan>adb thanks, i think I will take a deep breath outside before
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06:38<kardan>btw I just got help from Rhonda in #wesnoth. think we will manage it there :)
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07:52<dennis_p>I want to keep klickety (kde 3.5.10) as it works fine in squeeze. I have set it to freeze. Is that correct or should I first mark it as Manual and then freeze it to keep it?
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08:04<sander_m>Hi. I think I have a problem on one of my servers. `top` shows a whole slew of processes owned by www-data that have commands like "nn", "nnn" and "n1". I have already searched the filesystem for files with those names but nothing turned up. I'm suspecting foul play here. How can I find out more about these running processes?
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08:06<raboof>sander_m: 'ps --forest' to see what started them might be interesting
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08:08<sander_m>raboof: Found it. ps shows /usr/sbin/apache/log downloading and compiling http://188.24.50.220/nn.c
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08:10<raboof>sander_m: sounds like you've been owned :(
08:10<sander_m>raboof: Yup :-(
08:11<raboof>good to catch them 'in the act' though
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08:12<_AnywhereIs_>sander_m: also checking out process exe name might help: ls -al /proc/%PID_HERE%/ | grep exe
08:13<_AnywhereIs_>what do you actually run under www-data? web server+php?
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08:14<sander_m>_AnywhereIs_: Yes. Apache + PHP running SugarCRM.
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08:14<dennis_p>I was asking about aptitude, anyone familiar with keeping packages marked as obsolete to stay put, so that they stay alive after removing 1000MB of obsolete stuff?
08:15<_AnywhereIs_>sander_m: probably it has arbitary code injection vulnerability and you also forgot to set up restrictions on some functions of php like system(), etc.
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08:15<abraham>!lol
08:15<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
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08:15<dr|z3d>dennis_p: You need to "pin" the install. Synaptic's the easiest way to do that.
08:16<sander_m>_AnywhereIs_: Probably. I do wonder how they got in though since access to port 80 and 443 is firewalled off to only allow in-company access
08:16<dennis_p>pin the package with synaptic? ok
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08:17<_AnywhereIs_>sander_m: well. i can help if you pastebin some detailed access logs, to establish where from you got that weird thingy. also may PM me. im always interested in security questions :)
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08:18<_AnywhereIs_>sander_m: most commonly some in-company clown was playing with your server :) or maybe someone got into your LAN from outside somewhere, etc. or you didn't actually firewalled em.
08:19<_AnywhereIs_>wondering what's inside that nn.c
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08:22<sander_m>_AnywhereIs_: http://188.24.50.220/nn.c
08:23<_AnywhereIs_>wow i like that one.
08:23<sander_m>It wgets that, comples it with gcc and executes it a couple of times
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08:23<_AnywhereIs_>probably if it is correct source you already been rooted.
08:24<_AnywhereIs_>perhaps someone used system() function (or some other) of php or exploited webserver.
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08:33<sander_m>_AnywhereIs_: Perhaps. I do see one crashed (defunct) Apache process that has spawned `sh` as a child. That's probably how they got in
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08:34<_AnywhereIs_>it is root?
08:34<_AnywhereIs_>that 'sh' under apache
08:35<sander_m>_AnywhereIs_: Nope. www-data
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08:35<sander_m>_AnywhereIs_: I also see a lot of this in ps: /bin/su root -c echo "SUCRACK_SUCCESS"?
08:35<sander_m>And those /are/ root
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08:36<_AnywhereIs_>can you pastebin that process tree?
08:37<_AnywhereIs_>sander_m: btw: 188.24.50.220 [188.24.50.220] - RO (Romania) Bucharest, Lt 44.4333 Ln 26.1
08:37<sander_m>Yup
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08:39<_AnywhereIs_>im gonna try that nice thingy out in virtualbox soon.
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08:39<_AnywhereIs_>so will you pastebin process tree, sander_m? :)
08:39<sander_m>I saved a copy myself as well :-)
08:41<_AnywhereIs_>eh you can always find it @ milw0rm.
08:41<sander_m>Sure: http://pastebin.com/m4641da5a
08:42<sander_m>All those nn.c compiles are running from /usr/sbin/apache/log but that file doesn't exist. Any more tips on inspecting that running process?
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08:45<_AnywhereIs_>what is your apache httpd and php versions?
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08:45<sander_m>The latest in Debian Lenny
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08:46<_AnywhereIs_>weird. what about kernel?
08:47<sander_m>Also latest Debian Lenny. AMD64 with SMP
08:48<_AnywhereIs_>what does apache error/access logs say? can you pastebin them as well?
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08:49<wekt>Is there documentation some place on how to use deb-src packages?
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08:51<wekt>dennis_p: I think you can specify hold in aptitude for that. key is '='.
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08:59<sander_m>_AnywhereIs_: I'm not allowed to post the access/error logs here. Sorry.
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09:00<_AnywhereIs_>well that could help you to determine where did it came from and how did they get into
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09:00<sander_m>I have been checking them. All the usual logs are clean. I now only need to check the SugarCRM access and error logs (they are very big so that may take some time)
09:01<petemc>sander_m: going by what you've said, posting logs would be the least of your worries
09:02<sander_m>True :-) But it's not my call.
09:02<_AnywhereIs_>usually if that is script-kiddie he will use own webserver to host malware to upload into system he wants to crack.
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09:03<_AnywhereIs_>so it means it could be a direct IP. if you are in a serious company you may take actions if you think it worth it.
09:03<sander_m>Yes, That's the Bulgarian server you pointed out.
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09:04<_AnywhereIs_>sander_m: GeoIP says it's Romanian IP.
09:04<raboof>reportbug-ng is set to use the 'default' MUA, and seems to try and use evolution (which isn't even installed). where is the 'default' MUA set?
09:04<sander_m>_AnywhereIs_: True. whois.domaintools says the same and lists an abuse@ address.
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09:05<dennis_p>wekt: thanks, I went to synaptic and pinned them down, I manualy removed obsolete apps and left most of the libs as synaptic warned that iceweasel and synaptic would also need to be removed if I wanted to remove all squeeze obsolete packages.
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09:07<_AnywhereIs_>sander_m: so you may report them. my sense tells me it's a lame kiddie was using his own white IP :D
09:08<sander_m>I hope it was :-)
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09:13<petemc>reporting stuff to isps in other countries is all too often a waste of time
09:13<petemc>in my experience
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09:20<ranix>depending on what they're doing, the isp might have no right to interfere anyway
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09:22<ranix>if you're getting syn flooded or bruteforced, the isp should intervene. But, if your forum got nailed with sql injection and you're rooted, what's the ISP going to do
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09:22<koollman>ranix: depending of many local laws, the isp may be able to do something
09:22<petemc>its unauthorized access, i cant think of anywhere where that would be legal, but lots of places where people wouldnt care
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09:23<ranix>yeah but when is the onus on the ISP to discover and punish unauthorized access?
09:23<ranix>I wouldn't even expect an ISP to look at access logs or port usage statistics without a court order
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09:25<sander_m>ranix: In this case the ISP is hosting the malware. They could simply terminate his hsoting account/
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09:26<sander_m>s/shoting/hosting
09:26<ranix>sander_m: ah I see. ywah that's pretty obvious
09:26<adama26>I worked for an ISP for a long time and we would investigate such complaints but would not disclose or even respond to the complainant unless the law was involved
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09:26<pexy>there is a package called openmpi-bin available in repos, but that package has been built from source without the functionality i need. i need to rebuild it from source. i ran apt-get source openmpi-bin. and now i need to enable mx support (./configure --with-mx=<directory> from README) how can i enable this extra functionality? should i really run ./configure?
09:26<ranix>it's probably against ToS just to run a webserver on that IP
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09:28<_AnywhereIs_>sander_m: that thingy works on debian lenny, in tty* but refuses to work from ssh - segfaulting.
09:28<adama26>pexy: no there is a file in which to add that flag, then a command to recompile the .deb to install
09:28<sander_m>ranix: If it's his ISP at all. It might be just his webhoster. But at least shutting down the webhost will prevent the malware from spreading
09:28<adama26>neither of which I know off the top of my head
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09:28<petemc>debian/rules
09:29<pexy>adama26: i thought there might be some conf file
09:29<adama26>pexy: what petemc said
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09:29<sander_m>_AnywhereIs_: Thanks for checking that. I assume that if they got in through Apache or PHP that it would be run as a local tty
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09:29<_AnywhereIs_>sander_m: in that case they succeeded.
09:29<bike_>is ssh-keygen -t dsa still the way to go?
09:30<pexy>adama26 petemc: found it, thanks
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09:30<sander_m>_AnywhereIs_: Yup. We're going to do a full re-install
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09:30<_AnywhereIs_>sander_m: but well apache is daemon, daemons they cannot use terminal.
09:30<adama26>petemc: do you know the command to recreate the .deb for pexy?
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09:31<_AnywhereIs_>sander_m: that will NOT solve the problem until you determine where is the entrance cracker used.
09:31<petemc>debuild
09:31<sander_m>_AnywhereIs_: True. They must have gotten around Apache somehow. Remember that defuct Apache with sh as a child?
09:32<_AnywhereIs_>sander_m: yeah but it will be root if they succeeded.
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09:32<_AnywhereIs_>sander_m: i have nothing to test that on yet. apache+php is a big mess.
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09:33<sander_m>_AnywhereIs_: Would it? I was thinking that they used the expoit from that sh shell. If the succeeded they would get root, but that root process would not nesecarily be a child of an Apache process, would it?
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09:35<_AnywhereIs_>sander_m: in my testing case i logged in into tty2, logged in as user UID 1000 and compiled+linked that explo then run it. it spawned me a sh and even when i closed(exit'ed) sh i still was a root. so it looks like setuid for parent process even.
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09:37<sander_m>_AnywhereIs_: I don't see that in my process list. All the processes that are running nn and all their parents are still www-data
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09:37<sander_m>So perhaps they are not succeeding after all?
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09:38<_AnywhereIs_>sander_m: they might already closed all shells and safely gone away cleared logs :)
09:38<acu>I use squeeze and the application launcher is so annoying - it is a kind of box - how can I make it to expand freely - as it was in older KDE ?
09:38<sander_m>_AnywhereIs_: Perhaps yes. Best not take chances :-)
09:39<sander_m>_AnywhereIs_: Anyway, I'm going to have a chat with the boss and sysadmins here. Thanks so far!
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09:39<_AnywhereIs_>sander_m: it was interesting :)
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09:50<asaleem>Hi Guys, need your expert opinion on my tutorial about rsnapshot at http://linuxgravity.com/?p=114
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09:53<adama26>asaleem: first impression: install it with apt-get, not make
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09:54<adama26>oh you wrote it?
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09:54<XayOn>isnt't that spam?
09:54<asaleem>adama26, actually I wanted the lastest version
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09:54<asaleem>adama26, yes I did
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09:57<ml|>asaleem: might be best to ask things like these in #debian-offtopic and i agree with adama26 you should mention using apt also and add your reason for compiling it
09:58<adama26>asaleem: jupiter the planet is spelled jupiter, and you didn't change the conf lines near the bottom
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10:05<Someone>root@n00bServe:~# gem install mysql
10:05<Someone>Building native extensions. This could take a while...
10:05<Someone>Successfully installed mysql-2.8.1
10:05<Someone>1 gem installed
10:05<Someone>Installing ri documentation for mysql-2.8.1...
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10:05<Someone>Installing RDoc documentation for mysql-2.8.1...
10:05<Someone>No definition for next_result
10:05<Someone>No definition for field_name
10:05<Someone>No definition for field_table
10:05<Someone>No definition for field_def
10:05<Someone>No definition for field_type
10:05<Someone>No definition for field_length
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10:06<ml|>!pastebin
10:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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10:11<lord_rob>Hi ! the new version of sysv-rc in sid installs insserv, which is reported to be broken form many sources. What's the status of this package ?
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10:22<enouf>try rcconf
10:23<enouf>read the BTS, and changelogs (concerning any purportedly broken pkgs)
10:23<enouf>install apt-listbugs, apt-listchanges
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10:27<ml|>the insserv situation is not good atm
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10:30<drico>Hi, we have a problem creating a package, it seems that the max path length for dpkg is 100 characters and then it puts the file on /
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10:30<drico>instead of the normal place
10:30<drico>anyone has already seen that ?
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10:33<kozlokar>hi
10:33<Someone>holeh shit
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10:34<kozlokar>i have a little question, is ther a way to tell apt-get not to start mysql just after the installation ?
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10:37<skullbox3>hey guys is ther a good gui system log viewer i can use with xfce?
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10:39*arw hello folks
10:39<wr|>kozlokar: I'm pretty sure there's a better way, but my try would be this: 1) download the package (giving the apt-get option -d)
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10:39<wr|>2) unpack the package (with "ar x mysql-server???.deb")
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10:40<wr|>3) modify the postinst script to not start the mysql server
10:40<wr|>4) put it in a package again with ar and install it with dpkg
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10:41<kozlokar>hmmmm there have to be an easier way to do this
10:42<kozlokar>I need to scipt the mysql installation inside chroot
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10:47<acu>How can I remove this lancelot menu - it is so annoying I can't see anything - it is forcing everything in a box
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10:48<dennis-p>acu: that is easy
10:50<dennis-p>go to the yellow comma thingy and click unlock widgets if it is locked
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10:50<acu>did that OK
10:50<dennis-p>click Add Widgets
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10:51<dennis-p>Pick traditional app starter draag it to the desktop
10:51<dennis-p>drag
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10:51<dennis-p>you can right click the ugly starter and remove it
10:52<dennis-p>and drag in your prefered starter
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10:53<raylu>i'm using debian lenny/testing and the version of xmonad in the repositories (0.7) is too old. what is standard procedure for getting a newer version (0.8)?
10:53<petemc>check to see if theres a backport
10:53<raylu>as in, where would i look for more recent repositories or should i just go and compile it myself?
10:53<petemc>!backport
10:53<dpkg>somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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10:54<acu>dennis-p
10:54<acu>thanks
10:55<acd>hi! help! gnome-session doesn't save my sessions anymore
10:55<acu>it worked - thanks again dennis-p
10:55<dennis-p>np
10:56<ml|>raylu: i use xmonad, if there is no backport you need to compile xmonad yourself
10:56<raylu>petemc: indeed there is, thanks. i wasn't aware that they wouldn't be automatically installed
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10:56<raylu>ml|: the reason i wanted 0.8 was for XMonad.Config.Gnome
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10:58<ml|>raylu: if you want the lastest xmonad, you need to use darcs to get lastest xmond, xmonad-crontib and compile it yourself
10:59<adb>raylu: do /j #xmonad
10:59<ml|>ofcourse duh
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11:00<raylu>adb: did that in freenode already :D
11:00<raylu>ml|: the backport is good enough
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11:00<ml|>raylu: ok enjoy xmonad i do :)
11:00<acu>is anyone using squeeze - I do not know why ffmpeg cannot be installed - some dependencies are messed
11:00<adb>raylu: no here on oftc
11:01<raylu>adb: oh, why?
11:01<acu>I want to install kdenlive
11:01<raylu>adb: the main channel is on freenode
11:01<adb>raylu: why not ?
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11:10<acd>hi! gnome-session doesn't save my sessions anymore; I'm running metacity wm; any clue?
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11:13<L1nUX1z3R>does anyone know about a guide to install openbox on ubuntu
11:14<Tekno>sudo apt-get install openbox
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11:16<L1nUX1z3R>Tekno, a useful one i can use...that only installs the enviroment and u end up wit a blank screen
11:17<Tekno>that is openbox
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11:17<Tekno>what environment you expect?
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11:18<ml|>!ubuntu
11:18<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
11:19<adb>L1nUX1z3R: right click may help ..
11:19<L1nUX1z3R>Tekno, if u will...i need some menus
11:19<L1nUX1z3R>well...obmenu installation didnt go well
11:19<ptr>... right-click?
11:20<Tekno>L1nUX1z3R: right click
11:20<L1nUX1z3R>Tekno, thanks...didnt solve my problem but thanks...
11:21<Tekno>theres btw #openbox
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11:22<acu>does any of you have ffmpeg installed in squeeze - it seem that I cannot install it - it complains that it needs some libraries - <4 and they are all 5 - it seem that it cannot recognize that 5 is more than 4
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11:29<raboof>the version number on pool/main/z/zlib/zlib1g_1.2.3.3.dfsg-15_i386.deb suggest the upstream version number was '1.2.3.3.dfsg', right? Where would this upstream version have been obtained?
11:30<raboof>zlib.net only seems to have an 1.2.3
11:30<valdyn>raboof: .dfsg meams that non-free stuff was stripped
11:30<valdyn>judd: versions zlib1f
11:30<judd>valdyn: zlib1f --
11:30<valdyn>judd: versions zlib1g
11:30<judd>valdyn: zlib1g -- etch: 1:1.2.3-13 lenny: 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-12 sid: 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-15 squeeze: 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-15
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11:31<raboof>valdyn: ok, so in that case the procedure is to strip the non-free stuff first, give that a version number, and consider that the 'upstream' version?
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11:33<valdyn>raboof: yea well i dont know where they took the 2nd .3 from
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11:34<raboof>i was trying to write a debian/watch file for it, but it complains zlib.net doesn't even have the latest version - which makes sense as they have 1.2.3, not 1.2.3.3.dfsg
11:34<lodar>кто-то на русском говорит?
11:35<jackyf>!ru
11:35<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
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11:35<lodar>my ip banned((((
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11:36<spokz>!pl
11:36<dpkg>polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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11:38<raboof>is the right way forward to add 'opts=dversionmangle=s/\.3\.dfsg//' ?
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11:54<raylu>the instructions at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint#Configuration_using_udev_and_HAL don't seem to work on debian. why is this?
11:54<hrw>hi
11:54<hrw>someone here runs gitosis and git-daemon on one set of repositories?
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11:55<tuxcrafter>hi all
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11:55<tuxcrafter>i am looking for a debian howto to setup my stable main en security update systems with an automatic packaging update and notification system
11:56<tuxcrafter>i want this to be something availiable and supported by debian main
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11:57<tuxcrafter>can somebody help me out with this (yes i know i can do it mysself with custom cron, sendmail and apt-get scripts)
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11:58*tuxcrafter is looking at cron-apt
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11:59<dennis-p>tuxcrafter: I guess advancing Debian usually goes via the mailing lists, trouble is finding the right one as there are many for the many tasks in Debian to be done
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11:59<Yoda-BZH`Wk>tuxcrafter apticron too
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12:05<xente>anyone have problems installing debian on a HP Proliant system?
12:05<tuxcrafter>btw i dont want auto install (well maybe for the security packages) but i want a nice email of outstanding updates
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12:09<sney>xente: I had to fight with a Smart Array a few years ago
12:09<sney>but that was probably a way older server than you're working with
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12:09<xente>sney: it breaks when installing the base system when it ties to mount proc...
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12:10<sney>is it known good hardware?
12:10<xente>I'm not sure...
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12:10<xente>it's just a server that I found an I'm working with. it's a couple of years old
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12:13<sney>the motherboards on those things go nuts sometimes. see if you can run a livecd on it
12:13<xente>it appears that if I mount the proc fs on the target while it's installing the base system, it gets farther along
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12:14<xente>but I have to use an older installer
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12:16<xente>now it dies when it is trying to install the kernel image....anyone else have problems like this?
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12:19<matu>i have a mini wifi card in my laptop, is it possible to replace it by a mini ethernet card ? does it exist ?
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12:19<matu>it is maybe a stupid question but i would want to know
12:19<matu>i have a mini wifi card in my laptop, is it possible to replace it by a mini ethernet card ? does it exist ?
12:20<sney>what laptop doesn't have ethernet?
12:20<matu>it has ethernet
12:20<matu>i have a mini wifi card in my laptop, is it possible to replace it by a mini ethernet card ? does it exist ?
12:20<sney>stop asking the same question over and over
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12:21<sney>if you mean mini-pci, then there are probably mini-pci ethernet controllers but the port would still need to go somewhere
12:21<sney>so: possible but not easy
12:21<matu>thanks a lot
12:22<matu>i dont know it if is a mini ethernet though
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12:22<sney>if you don't know what it is then you're unlikely to find an answer that makes sense
12:22<sney>do some research
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12:24<matu>i searching i am searching...
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12:32<Falsechicken>My screen resolution in lenny in very low. lower than 320x240. How can I change it?
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12:38<dennis-p>Falsechicken: you must search google for the right sync of your monitor name and number and type that into x-org.conf
12:39<bja>Falsechicken: state your version of Debian, the harwdare you are using and any other usefull information that you believe can be helpful
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12:39<matu>cya and ty
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12:40<matu>mini pci ethernet dont exit
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12:49<gsg>î
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12:49<sney>!ru
12:49<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
12:49<kardan>good evening! i had a X server freeze some minutes before. here are the logs: http://pastie.org/595625
12:49<gsg>âñåì ïðèâåò
12:50<gsg>êòî çíàåò êàê îáíîâèòü ÿäðî î÷ ñòàðîå
12:50<gsg>2.6.16.16
12:50<kardan>additionally I got this after reboot: http://pastie.org/595552
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12:51<sney>that's showing a lot of acpi warnings
12:51<sney>gsg: #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
12:51<kardan>yes, I installed the daemon meanwhile
12:51<acd>hi! does anyone know why gnome-session does't save sessions? I'm running gnome/openbox/gdm in debian 5.0.2
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12:52<sney>kardan: is the problem reproducible? sometimes these things just happen
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12:55<kardan>i did not encounter this before. many use this machine, maybe they had those issuse before
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12:57<kardan>I was not able to analize this problem as there is no pstack package available for amd64
12:58<ert34>For some reason my transmission bittorrent client
12:58<bja>Is there an alps touchpad driver or there is just synaptics ?
12:59<gsg>òàì îäíè òðóïû
12:59<gsg>help
12:59<ert34>doens't download anything more. I played a lot with the dialogs but I don't know what is happening. How do I make a installation from the scratch?
12:59<ert34>*an
13:01<Yoda-BZH>!ru
13:01<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
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13:02<kfred>help please
13:02<bja>!ask
13:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
13:02<kfred>i have rar files and right click on a rar file and tell it to unrar and nothing happens or opens up
13:02<kfred>ask! unrar
13:03<kfred>!ask unrar
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13:03<adb>!unrar
13:03<dpkg>[rar] Roshal ARchive, a proprietary archive format used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst archive format ever. To extract RAR3 files (the most common archive version), use either the "rar" or "unrar" programs in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. "unrar-free" is unable to extract RAR3 files. Install the 'rar' package to create RAR files. http://www.rarlab.com/ http://www.unrarlib.org/faq.html
13:03<bja>kfred: downloa the unrar package from the non-free section
13:03<klh>oy adb !
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13:04<adb>oy klh !
13:04<bja>dpkg: tell klh about selftell
13:04<locklace>i've never understood the connection between rar and warez
13:04<adb>kfred even ..
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13:05<klh>bja : clean your glasses...
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13:05<bja>the compression ratio of rar seems to be better than the other general purpose compressors
13:05<bja>!lart klh
13:05*dpkg chops klh in half with a free AOL CD
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13:09<ert34>What can be blocking transmission from downloading torrents?
13:09<klh>bja, show me where I queried the bot please ? :)
13:09<ert34>Do lenny ships a firewall within in the standart installer?
13:09<kfred>I dont understand
13:09<bja>klh: its on the topic
13:09<kfred>package fron non free, what is that and whre is it
13:10<klh>I just said hello to a friend...
13:10<kfred>ert are you firewall ports open for transmission
13:11<ert34>I don't even know if I have one.
13:11<kfred>is it home pc
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13:11<ert34>Yes.
13:11<dennis-p>locklace: RARs are used on losy networks as you can request parts from others and checksum them, 7zip however has better compression but you have to be sure you can reliable sent and receive the whole file
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13:13<dieter>hallo
13:13<ert34>Reconnecting...
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13:14<locklace>dennis-p: you can split and checksum any file. but yeah, rar programs have built in junk to do that
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13:15<kfred>my question is why cant i open it with right clicking
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13:16<kfred>i've been able to type unrar x file.rar and unrared them in past
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13:17<dennis-p>kfred: unrar has limited support for RAR types are you sure it can open that specific RAR file
13:18<kfred>i used winrar in windows to rar a single file
13:18<kfred>and in linux i wanna unrar that file
13:18<dennis-p>can you now longer open a small rar that used to work as well?
13:18<dennis-p>can you no longer open a small rar that used to work as well?
13:19<kfred>i was never able to right click and open with rar, was only able to do it with command line in terminal
13:20<dennis-p>ah i guess winrar created a newer format rar that you have no support for
13:21<dennis-p>you can install 7zip on windows and have a reliable open format
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13:21<ert34>I am able to "Extract here" rar files
13:22<ert34>Right clicking.
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13:24<kfred>i see, thanks dennis.
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13:24<kfred>so its a compatibility issue, 7zip you say should handle it no problem though
13:24<ert34>OMG! DEBIAN IS SO PATHETIC! IT CAN'T DOWNLOAD TORRENTS WITHOUT PROBLEMS, BUT WINDOWS CAN DO IT JUST BY CLICKING INSTALLING A BITTORRENT CLIENT!
13:25<adb>!caps
13:25<dpkg>Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words, put an underscore ("_") on both sides.
13:25<adb>ert34: ^^
13:25<kfred>im am trying to download winrar in iceweasel is says ther is not enough room to save the file on HD, but there is 16gb left
13:26<kfred>i wanna get winrar and have it run under wine
13:26<dennis-p>that should work as well
13:26<Gold24>kfred: why would you want to do that?
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13:26<kfred>ert34, you could install wine and then install utorrent
13:26<cahoot>why not simply stick to windows?
13:26<kfred>cause i cant right click unrar
13:26<klh>kfred, you can make rar archives without winrar
13:26<kfred>klh, what program
13:27<klh>just install rar packages...
13:27<klh>aptitude install rar
13:27<kfred>oh i was making rar archieve in windows that ftping them to another server with linux
13:27<klh>file-roller will allow you to unrar by right-clicking after
13:27<kfred>file-roller:
13:28<kfred>apt-get install file-foller?
13:28<klh>file-roller is the archive manager of gnome
13:28<dennis-p>kde has limited rar support in right click menu as well
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13:29<kfred>so is that the command i use to install?
13:29<klh>without errors yes
13:30<klh>aptitude install file-roller
13:30<dennis-p>I noticed kde4 could unrar a file i could not before so rar compatibility is improving in linux overall, you can always run into trouble of course
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13:30<kfred>klh man, thanks a lot that is what i was looking for!!!
13:31<klh>np kfred
13:31<dennis-p>and ktorrent is just awesome
13:31<dennis-p>glad to see it worked out for you kfred
13:32<kfred>why aptitude and not apt-get i used aptget and it worked fine
13:32<ranix>ktorrent is terrible
13:32<dennis-p>that's persnal preference
13:32<ert34>I don't understand why people want to have different windows systems, kde, gnome and xfce. Why not just develop one of those and turn this one in a great one?
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13:32<ranix>ert34: because different people have different needs
13:32-!-hierax [~hierax@host29-227-dynamic.37-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
13:32<ranix>ert34: a "power user" is different from someone who needs idiot-proofing is different from a developer
13:32<ert34>Like>
13:33<klh>!tell kfred why aptitude
13:33<klh>argh
13:33<ranix>!test
13:33<dpkg>epic test fail
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13:34<klh>I'm not gifted with the bot :(
13:34<monitor>olá
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13:34<kfred>!aptitude
13:34<dpkg>from memory, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude
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13:35<bja>dpkg: tell klh about selftell
13:35<ert34>ranix, what, so which graphical systems are made for programmers?
13:35<bja>!es
13:35<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:35<kfred>!apt-get
13:35<dpkg>apt-get is a program (part of the apt package) used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for <apt>. See also <aptitude>, <reference>, <synaptic>, <apt-cache>. http://wiki.debian.org/apt-get
13:35<klh>kfred, /msg dpkg why aptitude
13:35<ranix>ert34: "programmers" is a broad stroke
13:35<ranix>people who might code for Pidgin are very different from people who might code for cairo or SDL or Freetype
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13:36<kfred>so basically it always better to use aptitude then apt get correct
13:37<ranix>you find similar types of people converging on different projects frequently, but projects are themselves very different. Since the whole GNU environment is made by and for people who write for it, the tools are custom made for people like the ones who wrote the tools
13:37<ert34>How less usable is a system better it is. ;) ranix
13:37<dennis-p>ert34: acording to Linux main leader gnome was best, then kde now gnome again so be sure to pick the right one :-)
13:37-!-daniel [~daniel@81-229-77-134-no64.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #debian
13:37<ranix>I think linus is just trolling by taking part in the desktop wars
13:38<daniel>hi guys can someone help me I dont know how to install my soundcard
13:38<ranix>he probably tilts his head back a little bit
13:38<ranix>with his mouth a tiny bit open
13:38<ranix>and says "KDE is best"
13:38<ranix>with a big shiteating grin
13:39<ert34>The community is proud of reinventing the whell three times... gnome, kde and xfce.
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13:39<ranix>ert34: and enlightenment and beryl and twm and blackbox and awesome and fvwm and afterstep and... and... and...
13:39<ranix>ert34: I think you missed a few
13:39<bja>dpkg: tell daniel about sound
13:39<daniel>bja I have CA0106
13:39<daniel>Intel
13:39<daniel>U0x46d0x8ce
13:40<ml|>ert34: it's about choice
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13:40<dennis-p>just be glad everybody work on linux, image people working on a beos clone as the perfect multimedia desktop
13:41<enouf>there are no wheels, only corporate jets to transport the cronies :-P
13:41<bja>evrything that linus says is a political statement not that he actually uses any of thosee
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13:42<kfred>how often does debian get updated?
13:42-!-plus91 [~plus91@host223-109-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
13:43<ranix>kfred: define updated
13:43<plus91>hello
13:44<dennis-p>lenny will get renamed every two to 3 and half years
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13:44<ert34>Why debian only upgrade the O.S. in each 3 years?
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13:45<dennis-p>squeeze gets software from sid when debian testers find it stable
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13:47<dennis-p>then squeeze will get frozen one day and bugs removed and you then get the server software Squeeze that can run your server for years without trouble
13:47<kfred>well like micro$oft updates os every 2 to 4 years or so, ubuntu twice a year. so debian every 2 to 3 years
13:47<plus91>hello
13:47<daniel>whaaa
13:48<plus91>guys I could ask as a facial to extend the desktop to another monitor with fluxbox ?....
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13:48<dennis-p>and then there will be a new named debian which gets stable enough from sid untill that one gets frozen 2 years later
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13:48<plus91>* I
13:48<dennis-p>and then there will be a new named debian which gets stable enough software packages from sid untill that one gets frozen 2 years later
13:48<ranix>!wir
13:48<dpkg>somebody said wir was When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>
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13:49<bja>dpkg: tell plus91 about ask
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13:49<ranix>kfred: Debian has always had a WIR policy, but is currently considering a move to a 2-year release cycle
13:49<ranix>kfred: last I heard it was still being hotly debated
13:49<plus91>BJA sorry the bad English but I'm using a script created by me for the automatic translation
13:49<dennis-p>whoow it 2 years plus wir
13:50<valdyn>i think theres a fixed *freeze* point being discussed, not a fixed release
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13:50<dennis-p>so ends up frozen after to years then released only after all is ready for a realy stable release
13:50<dennis-p>to =two
13:51<plus91>BJA the question is: how do I extend the desktop of my laptop to another monitor having debian + fluxbox ...
13:51<plus91>??
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13:51<dennis-p>so we all guess 2.5 to 3 years between stable releases
13:51<ranix>plus91: short answer is that you don't
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13:52<bja>plus91: that is hardware dependant
13:52<ranix>plus91: long answer is http://www.zoneos.com/zonescreen.htm if you use windows
13:52<bja>if you have the card that can perform it, it should be possible
13:52<plus91>Ranixos use debian + fluxbox
13:52<ert34>How do I upgrade this pre-historic version of gnome that I have?
13:53<ranix>ert34: apt-get install gnome
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13:53<ranix>ert34: you may need to apt-get update or edit sources.list first
13:53<ranix>!tell ert34 about sources.list
13:54<ert34>I need sid in the sources.list?
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13:54<ranix>if you only have one computer and want multiple monitors on it, plus91, /msg dpkg dual monitors
13:54<dennis-p>no you go from etch to lenny
13:55<ert34>I am on lenny
13:55<ranix>plus91: if you have a ton of computers and want one gargantic desktop, check xinerama or zonescreen
13:55<dennis-p>then from lenny to squeeze if you find it really too outdated
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13:56<ert34>ranix, wtf works
13:56<dennis-p>but don't forget you are now on the most stable stuff ever
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13:56<plus91>ranix thx ;)
13:56<ranix>;)
13:56<dennis-p>ert34: replace all the lenny with squeeze in sources.list
13:56<ert34>so stable that my outdated set of packages broke in funcitonality ;)
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13:57<ml|>ert34: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
13:57<ranix>ert34: using "stable" in sources.list causes a jumping problem with the distro is updated similar to !moving-target
13:57<dennis-p>remember you can't go back without a clean install
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13:57<ranix>I suggest using the word "etch" or "lenny" for stable instead of "stable" so you don't get screwed up on version increments
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13:58<dennis-p>yes if it says stable then first type lenny and do full-upgrade in aptitude
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13:59<kfred>!squeeze
13:59<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the next release. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. Expected to be released in early 2010, see http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 Will be known as Debian 6.0.
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14:02<ert34>Some where I've heard that Ubuntu is just the testing debian
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14:03<ranix>ert34: /msg dpkg ubuntu
14:03<ranix>it's fundamentally different
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14:04<ert34>the ubuntu repositories ships packages in the debian testing?
14:04<dennis-p>but indeed they started out with freezing testing years ago, now they have added their own cruft
14:04<kfred>!ubuntu
14:04<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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14:15<kfred>qustion i have iceweasel installed, i am trying to dowload something and it says there is no room avalable to download and save
14:16<kfred>i change the save location and same error. any tips?
14:16<bja>dh -h
14:16<ert34>ml|, damn I am dist upgrading to squeeze there is kernel backports for ath5k in the repos?
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14:17<bja>df -h
14:17<ml|>bja: nice safe
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14:17<ml|>ert34: don't know
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14:18<Piet>is there a generic way to determine which stock Debian kernel image is best suited for a given CPU?
14:19<Piet>I think I never found an answer to this and always made a choice based on guessing, which is surely not ideal.
14:19<valdyn>Piet: you could read the package descriptions
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14:20<ml|>ert34: btw, if you are moving to testing you don't use backports.org any more you install stuff from sid but only if needed
14:21<ert34>Oh, great.
14:21<ert34>Better than compiling stuff by myself.
14:21<ert34>:-)
14:22<ml|>you would need to add unstable lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
14:22<ert34>Another way to people get ath5k without madwif is just upgrade to squeeze.
14:23<ert34>I am, dpkg told me how.
14:23<chealer>kfred: check if there's space left on the partition?...
14:23<Piet>valdyn: true, this is documented mostly sufficiently by now. this was not so in early etch times, i think. i read that of http://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-image-2.6-amd64, which says "all 64bit single- and multiprocessor AMD and Intel machines". how will i know whether the CPU of a remotely hosted system running on a 32bit kernel is 64bit capable?
14:23<valdyn>Piet: cat /proc/cpuinfo
14:24<ml|>oh, and also make a /etc/apt/apt.conf with APT::Default-Release "testing"; or your system will become unstable
14:24<ml|>ert34: ^
14:24<valdyn>Piet: look at the flags
14:24<Piet>valdyn: which flag am i looking for?
14:25<ert34>should I stop the downloading now, to do it?
14:25<ert34>ml|,
14:25<ml|>ert34: why?
14:25<ert34>I am upgrading
14:25<ml|>are you installing from unstable?
14:25<valdyn>Piet: iirc lm is long mode, but i dont know for sure
14:26<ert34>I put squeeze instead of lenny and deleted all mentions for stable in my sources.list
14:26<ert34>then aptitude update && aptitude upgrade
14:26<ert34>and apt-get upgrade
14:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 397] by debhelper
14:27<ml|>ert34: that is when you want to install from unstable and using testing
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14:27<valdyn>Piet: http://blog.bradiceanu.net/2009/07/20/linux-proccpuinfo-flags/
14:27<Piet>valdyn: confirmed by http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/proccpuinfo-flag-lm-358563/ - thanks
14:27<ml|>ert34: was you lenny up todae before you started?
14:28<ml|>*your
14:28<ert34>yes
14:28<ert34>I want use the unstable packages and squeeze
14:28<ml|>ok, you'll be fine, but you need to aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade
14:29<stuckey>Hello ml|
14:29<ert34>I done it
14:29<stuckey>What were you saying that I should do before I reboot since I upgraded the grub thing?
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14:29<ert34>I missed when I told upgrade, I really full-upgraded
14:29<ml|>ert34: right why you need to do what i said above with /etc/apt/apt.conf
14:29<ml|>ert34: ah, ok
14:30<ml|>stuckey: hello
14:30<ranix>What does one mean when they say "production server"?
14:30<ranix>I hear this all the time and it sounds like nuspeak
14:30<ert34>so I edit this apt.conf now?
14:30<stuckey>!nuspeak
14:30<ml|>ert34: wait untill your upgrade finishes and you reboot
14:30<ert34>ok, thanks for assist
14:31<ml|>np
14:31<And1>Hey folks, what may be the problem if X in my virtual machine tells me, "no screens found"?
14:31<ml|>stuckey: did you chainload grub-pc to menu.lst to try it like it asked you?
14:32<stuckey>ehh... how do I do this?
14:33<ml|>stuckey: well did you install grub-pc already?
14:33<stuckey>yes
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14:33<k1lumin4t1_>what are the debian-update CD/DVD isos?
14:33<stuckey>k1lumin4t1_: you mean where are they?
14:33<stroyan>And1: Maybe your VM has no graphics devices. Or maybe it has a bad xorg.conf. The /var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you more.
14:33<ml|>well, it asked you to chainload to menu.lst and you said?
14:34<k1lumin4t1_>stuckey, no. What are they
14:34<stuckey>ml|: hmm... I don't remember if it did or what I said if it did... is that a bad thing?
14:34<ml|>stuckey: could be
14:36<ml|>stuckey: but reboot to find out, if you see on top an entry to boot from chainload select it to boot, leave the others alone then report back
14:36<ml|>good luck
14:36<stuckey>ml|: alright... I won't reboot to find myself ubootable, will I?
14:36<stuckey>Because I really don't like using live cd's to come to the channel for help
14:37<ml|>stuckey: well, you don't remember what you did so i can't say
14:37<stuckey>ml|: I"m sure I just hit defaults
14:37<ml|>you have no choice now but to try it and see good luck
14:37<stuckey>ok
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14:38<chealer>k1lumin4t1_: they allow a stable install to be updated to be updated to the latest point release of that version, without Internet access
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14:39<tuxcrafter>hi all i am looking here at an LPI exam and it states that when you have created 10 accounts beginning with the UID of 1001 and then deleted 1001 and 1004 what would the UID of the next user you create be by default
14:39<tuxcrafter>the anser should be 1011
14:39<tuxcrafter>but debian does not work that way
14:39<tuxcrafter>it will get UID 1001
14:39<tuxcrafter>is this wrong?
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14:39<k1lumin4t1_>chealer, but why are they also distributed as numbered CD isos?
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14:40<tuxcrafter>where can i find more documentation about his behaviour
14:40<chealer>k1lumin4t1_: because they're not big enough to fill a DVD?
14:40<k1lumin4t1_>chealer, yes, but do they have to do with their respective CD isos?
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14:41<k1lumin4t1_>chattr, I mean. debian-update-cd1.iso is for debian cd1 iso?
14:41<chealer>k1lumin4t1_: they don't have respective CD isos
14:41<k1lumin4t1_>chealer, ok
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14:42<skullbox3>does anyone know if xfce-menu will work well in place of openbox?
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14:47<stuckey>ml|: so I saw the "chainload" thing... I selected it. Then it took me to a screen and I watited for a minute, then it went back to the normal grub screen, then from there it went into it's normal loading thing... but then my xserver didn't start.
14:47<stuckey>So that's my problem now... I don't have an xserver anymore
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14:50<valdyn>tuxcrafter: this depends on you using useradd or adduser
14:50<stuckey>ml|: Can I just uninstall this package and reinstall the other one?
14:51<ml|>stuckey: so chainload did not work?
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14:51<stuckey>ml|: it would appear that it didn't work
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14:51<valdyn>tuxcrafter: therefore the LPI question is paraphrased wrongly by you or is nonsense in itself
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14:52<tuxcrafter>valdyn: ow i never tried useradd vs adduser
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14:53<ml|>stuckey: yes going into aptitude and select grub-pc to purge and grub-lagacy to reinstall or use aptitude -s install grub-legacy and see what it will do
14:53<valdyn>tuxcrafter: what did you use? only debian based distros have adduser
14:53<valdyn>tuxcrafter: while lpi is probably redhat centric
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14:54<stuckey>ml|: it said it would remove grub-pc and install grub-legacy... i'll do it now without the -s
14:54<ml|>stuckey: yes that should be fine
14:54<stuckey>ml|: so I reboot now and everything goes back to normal?
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14:55<ml|>stuckey: that is the idea good luck
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14:56<skullbox>does anyone know of a good guide for a kde 4.3 debian install
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14:56<tuxcrafter>valdyn: strange useradd and adduser behaves diffrenlty
14:57<tux>hi, how can i fetch a package included all needed dependencies ? is there an apt-command ?
14:57<valdyn>tuxcrafter: its silly to care, its silly to have such a question in "certification"
14:57<tuxcrafter>valdyn: well you now definetly need to check it
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14:58<tuxcrafter>else you get into issues with file inherentes
14:58<ml|>stuckey: back to normal?
14:58<stuckey>ml|: I know why the x server wasn't loading... I installed 2.6.30... and I was loading that.
14:58<valdyn>tuxcrafter: in any case
14:58<ml|>oh,
14:58<stuckey>ml|: Yes, but I'd like to boot into the new kernel I installed and have an x server
14:58<ml|>stuckey: using nvidia?
14:59<stuckey>ml|: Do you have to reconfigure the x server and re install nvidia drivers when installing a new kernel?
14:59<chealer>skullbox: ask #debian-kde
14:59<tuxcrafter>valdyn: thanks for hinting about useradd and adduser did not know that
14:59<valdyn>tuxcrafter: useradd does not guaruantee to use an id that has no files
14:59<valdyn>tuxcrafter: maybe the sane thing would be to never delete accounts completely
14:59<tuxcrafter>valdyn: absolutely
14:59<ml|>stuckey: yes every time
15:00<stuckey>damn
15:00<tuxcrafter>valdyn: just disable them with !
15:00<chealer>tux: --download-only
15:00<valdyn>( in some cases where you cant check all files easily )
15:00<stuckey>ml|: What all else do I have to do when I'm installing a new kernel?
15:00<stuckey>Should I delete the old kernels?
15:00<valdyn>stuckey: no
15:00<ml|>stuckey: because you are using nvidia drivers, but if you used nv for example you won't have to
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15:01<stuckey>Alright cool... I'm going to get to that.
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15:01<ml|>stuckey: no, always have atleast one old kernel and the new one old as a backup
15:02<ml|>ah missed him
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15:05<stuckey>ml|: how exactly do I need to re install the driver? I just do m-a nvidia again?
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15:06<ml|>stuckey: follow the wiki
15:06<stuckey>I don't have an x server right now
15:06<ml|>stuckey: on sid right?
15:06<stuckey>yes
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15:06<ml|>stuckey: you can use w3m
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15:07<ml|>or any other text based browser
15:07<ml|>or reboot into old kernel and do it from there
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15:10<tux>i search something similar to http://code.google.com/p/uspc/ to fetch a package with all dependecies
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15:11<tux>chealer: your tip is only downloading the package and the not installed dependencies..thanks
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15:18<kardan>!ask is there a reason that pstack is not packaged for experimental?
15:18<dpkg>...but ask is already something else...
15:19<sney>maybe nobody has requested it
15:20<dondelelcaro>kardan: because no one has packaged it? check wnpp bugs and/or consider helping to get it packaged
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15:23<kardan>i tried to compile it for squeeze from source and got exaclty this error (except line numbers): http://bugs.gentoo.org/159537
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15:26<edbian>Is there an app in the repos that can read Microsoft .pub (publisher) files??
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15:27<dondelelcaro>kardan: so fix the error; presumably it's not including the files... though honestly, if it doesn't even compile with that error, that generally means that upstream hasn't tested it recently, and you probably don't want to use it.
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15:31<kardan>dondelelcaro i was advised to use it in #xorg when I had a X freeze (see above)
15:32<stuckey>when I upgrade my kernel will I need to upgrade my nvidia glx libraries as well, or just the nvidia kernel?
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15:33<chealer>stuckey: just out-of-tree LKM-s
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15:34<stuckey>lkms?
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15:34<ayarter>Is anyone here familiar with debian on sparc?
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15:35<Gold24>not the last 5 years ;)
15:35<Gold24>or so
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15:35<ayarter>I have an issue with my xorg driver; I can only use fbdev as my video driver, but I know the machine uses a radeon 7000.
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15:36<ayarter>the radeon and ati driver's don't seem to work, but I could be doing something terribly wrong.
15:36<ayarter>Also, I don't know how to get the sound on my sunblade 2500 to output the line out in debian. In Solaris, I always used audioplay -p line
15:37<sney>the 'ati' driver is the one you want for a radeon 7000
15:37<sney>and as long as "dri" and "glx" are loaded and you have mesa it should work fine
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15:37<sney>'radeon' won't support that old a gpu
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15:37<ayarter>my card is a Sun SVR-100, which is the same as a radeon 7000 or a radeon rv-100
15:38<ayarter>okay. What would I use under identifier?
15:38<ayarter>the name of the card?
15:38<dli>"access denied error from DBus", do I have to be in certain group?
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15:38<stuckey>I'm trying to install nvidia drivers on 2.6.30. The X server doesn't load at start up; I get an error in /var/log/Xorg.0.log that says (EE) Failed to initalize the nvidia kernel module.
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15:39<ayarter>because, I gotta say, I'm really happy to see Debian running (better) than Solaris on my machine. :) If I could get these two bugs worked out, I'm a convert.
15:39<stuckey>It says I can check the systems kernel log for additional errrors----where is that?
15:39<stuckey>ayarter: which bugs?
15:39<sney>ayarter: identifier doesn't matter really
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15:39<ayarter>oh, what I was just talking about. Getting my xorg video right, and my sound out of my headphone jack vs built in speaker.
15:40<ayarter>sney: Hrm, okay. I can just change fbdev to ati then?
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15:41<sney>well identifier needs to match the card in the Screen section, but it doesn't matter what it says. mine says Card0. change fbdev to ati and make sure Load "glx" and Load "dri" aren't commented out in the Module section
15:41<ayarter>debian didn't build my xorg, I had to do one from scartch. and its been YEARS since I've used linux. Who knows if they'll even be there/
15:41<sney>ehh?
15:41*kardan reads about EIP and EBP a bit
15:41<sney>why did you do that?
15:42<sney>oh
15:42<sney>you mean xorg.conf?
15:42<sney>yeah it ships blank by default, but you can run X -configure to generate one
15:42<stuckey>I see further information in the /var/log/syslog --- it says "API mismatch: the client has the version 185.18.14, but this kernel module has the version 185.18.36. Please make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver components have the same version.
15:42<sney>it may even autodetect your radeon and work completely
15:42<ayarter>I tried that, it says that it can't find anything
15:42<ayarter>but hell, let me try again.
15:43<stuckey>What's "the client" that it's talking about?
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15:44<stuckey>ml|: what do you think?
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15:45<dli>my wicd-client refuses to start with "access denied error from DBus", do I have to be in certain group?
15:45<ayarter>sney" No devices to configure
15:45<ml|>judd: versions nvidia-glx
15:45<judd>ml|: nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 185.18.36-1
15:45<sney>hmm
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15:46<stuckey>ml|: I've got the wrong version of nvidia-glx?
15:46<ayarter>sney:dexconf writes one, but without any modules.
15:46<ml|>stuckey: seems so, check with aptitude show nvidia-glx
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15:47<mjt>who (which daemon) mounts removable media such as USB sticks, CF cards etc when running gnome?
15:47<ayarter>funny, on my ancient Sun Ultra 2, it works out of box =P and that has a creator 3d in it. lol
15:47<stuckey>ml|: yes I've got an older version.
15:47<stuckey>ml|: so that's the fix?
15:47<stuckey>i'll reboot and see
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15:47<ml|>stuckey: yes that should work
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15:49<ayarter>sney: is there another way to autogen, or am I stuck writing xorg.conf from scratch?
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15:50<stuckey>ml|: That was it... everything seems to work now. Is there anything else I have to do after upgrading my kernel? I've never done this before.
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15:51<ml|>stuckey: not that i know of, and like i said this only happens because you are using nvidia driver, rememer you must do this after each new kernel upgarde
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15:53<ml|>stuckey: and .. 15:01:50 < ml|> stuckey: no, always have atleast one old kernel and the new one old as a backup
15:53<ml|>stuckey: if you want you can try grub-pc again
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15:54<ml|>but pay attention when it gets installed on what is asks you this time
15:54<stuckey>ml|: what's the benefit to grub-pc?
15:54<exu>hi, would you recommend dd_rescue or are there better tools to try to rescue files from a damaged hdd?
15:54<stuckey>Where do I find the changelog to the new kernel? Like what's better about it...
15:55<ayarter>so what modules do I need to be sure to load w ati then? mesa and glx?
15:55<chealer>stuckey: the nvidia X video driver
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15:55<stuckey>chealer: what about it?
15:56<chrisben> exu: damaged how?
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15:56<chealer>stuckey: that's the answer to your question... [15:43:11] <stuckey> What's "the client" that it's talking about?
15:56<exu>a few sectors cant be read
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15:56<stuckey>chealer: So the driver is made up of not just the kernel, but the glx libraries as well
15:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 413] by debhelper
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15:58<ml|>stuckey: read more about grub2 here ... http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-2.en.html
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15:59<chrisben>exu: I've used photorec and testdisk before with good results.
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16:00<chealer>stuckey: it's not "the kernel", it's a LKM - but yes, there are glx libraries as well which the X driver needs
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16:01<loudergood>stuckey careful, current grub2 in sid has some serious bugs
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16:01<ayarter>when I do that, I still get "no drivers detected"
16:01<ml|>stuckey: new kernels tend to add new drivers, bug fixes, security issues etc... you can read the changelog at kernel.org , don't know where the debian kernels changelog is located
16:02<ayarter>well, if anyone has ever used debian on a sunblade, let me know!
16:02<chealer>stuckey: and the changelog will be boring - you probably want http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges
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16:05<stuckey>Good to see that there's support for r6xx/r7xx gpus...
16:05<dli>my wicd-client refuses to start with "access denied error from DBus", do I have to be in certain group?
16:06<valdyn>dli: on which debian release?
16:06<dli>valdyn, testing/squeeze
16:06<ml|>stuckey: debian kernels changelog ... http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/
16:06<valdyn>dli: you should probably read the docs
16:06<dli>valdyn, I know RTFM
16:06<valdyn>dli: did you?
16:07<valdyn>polkit-gnome-authorization is probably the way to set permissions if not a group
16:07<valdyn>to know you should rtm
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16:08<stuckey>chealer: thanks!
16:08<stuckey>ml|: I'll give grub-pc another shot now...
16:09<ml|>stuckey: good luck
16:09<stuckey>ml|: Are you involved with working on it or something?
16:09<ml|>nope
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16:09<stuckey>do you use it?
16:09<ml|>yes on two machines
16:10<stuckey>I do aptitude -s install grub-pc ... to simulate first, right?
16:10<ml|>yes
16:10<stuckey>loudergood: thanks for the heads up...
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16:10<ml|>stuckey: changelog is here also ... /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.30-1-686/changelog.Debian.gz
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16:11<stuckey> The following Linux command line was extracted from /etc/default/grub or the `kopt' parameter in GRUB Legacy's menu.lst. Please │ │ verify that it is correct, and modify it if necessary.
16:11<stuckey>ml|: That's what it says...
16:11<craigevil>stuckey: grub-pc installed just fine here, although the newest version in sid is broken the configure script is screwed
16:12<ayarter>well, xorg says the card should be supported. I'm doing something very wrong.
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16:12<stuckey>Then it says "Linux command line:" and it has a box...
16:12<stuckey>craigevil: you're using sid?
16:12<craigevil>yes
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16:12<ml|>judd: versions grub-pc
16:12<judd>ml|: grub-pc -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16 sid: 1.96+20090808-1 squeeze: 1.96+20090808-1
16:12<ayarter>does anyone else have experience with ATIs and debian? Specifically the Sun XVR-100
16:12<stuckey>craigevil: but you already had your grub2 installed, and you didn't upgrade to the newest version in sid? Or did the newest version in sid not automatically install when you do aptitude install grub-pc?
16:13<ayarter>(radeon 7000, Rv100)?
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16:13<stuckey>ayarter: yes
16:13<stuckey>ayarter: what's your problem?
16:13<stuckey>I've used the r700
16:13<craigevil>stuckey: i already had it installed , when i did apt-get dist-upgrade today it failed to upgrade
16:13<stuckey>Maybe it was the r500... it was the x1300 card
16:13<loudergood>I'm typing this on an rv100
16:13<ayarter>stuckey:Just migrated onto debian from solaris. Can't get xorg to use my card.
16:14<stuckey>ayarter: which ATI card do you have? which version of debian are you using?
16:14<ayarter>I can use fbdev, but that's really slow. X -configure can't find anything, and I can't generate an xorg.conf
16:14<stuckey>ayarter: post your xorg at paste.debian.net
16:14<ml|>craigevil: when i upgarded here things went fine here
16:14<ayarter>I'm using a Sun xvr-100, so its a radeon 7000
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16:14<stuckey>craigevil: I also didn't have any problems with it today.
16:14<ayarter>I'm on the latest stable debian
16:14<loudergood>that's the same driver that I'm using
16:14<ml|>that was a few days ago
16:15<ayarter>and it makes me sad, because this is running a whole lot better than Solaris :)
16:15<stuckey>ayarter: and you're using just a concole right now?
16:15<ayarter>no, I'm into X with the fbdev driver
16:15<craigevil>ml|: 64bit or 32bit? apt-listbugs listed the bug that the post install script was frakked and when i went ahead it didnt upgrade
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16:15<stuckey>I'm on 64 bit.
16:15<ayarter>with an xorg.conf that I put together to the best of my ability, but I dount its right
16:15<loudergood>radeon does not work?
16:15<ml|>craigevil: ah, 32bit here
16:15<craigevil>32bit here weird
16:16<ml|>oh thought you where on 64bit
16:16<stuckey>What's dist-upgrade?
16:16<ayarter>radeon or ati don't work, but I have to be doing something wrong.
16:16<ayarter>stuckyey:Whatever the latest stable is.
16:16<ml|>stuckey: same as full-upgrade in aptitude
16:16<ayarter>but sparc64
16:16<loudergood>craigevil: mlj: same issue here with grub2
16:16<stuckey>ml|: ah... so should I be using that isntead of just upgrade?
16:16<DragonM>WARNING: Port "pop2" unselected in debconf but possibly handled locally.
16:17<stuckey>ml|: and what do I do for this question that grub-pc is asking me?
16:17<DragonM>Is there something that needs to be done because of that warning?
16:17<DragonM>Google is remarkably unhelpful. Only 15 hits, and most of them are about a different problem.
16:17<stuckey>http://paste.debian.net/45102/ <--- I got this
16:17<ayarter>stuckey: I'm pretty sure that I don't have any modules in my xorg.conf. haven't used it in years, I've been on Solaris. So, that's where I am.
16:17<stuckey>ayarter: Post your xorg for me
16:17<ml|>stuckey: leave it blank and select ok
16:18<DragonM>I didn't previously have ipop3d.pem so I didn't have any problem with the generic self-signed certificate the package generated.
16:18<stuckey>ml|: http://paste.debian.net/45103/
16:18<ml|>the same
16:18<stuckey>Thanks
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16:19<stuckey>ml|: http://paste.debian.net/45105/
16:19<ml|>loudergood: i didn't have any, it was craigevil
16:19<stuckey>Anyone here heard of spring? the open-source RTS game?
16:20<craigevil>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=543615 the bug i had
16:20<ayarter>!paste
16:20<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
16:21<ayarter>stuckey:http://paste.debian.net/45106/
16:21<ml|>stuckey: that is your only choice
16:21<stuckey>ml|: so just hit enter?
16:21<ml|>select it firts
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16:21<ml|>first
16:21<loudergood>fun
16:22<stuckey>ayarter: And what is it that you try to boot with that gives you trouble?
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16:22<ayarter>this works. I'm trying to use the ati driver
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16:22<ayarter>stuckey:And that just doesn't seem to want to fly. at all.
16:22<stuckey>ayarter: So what's different about the .conf file that you have problems with?
16:23<ayarter>Driver "ati"
16:23<ayarter>that's it.
16:24<ml|>craigevil: wow six bug reports on same issue
16:24<stuckey>ayarter: post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
16:24<ayarter>stuckey: let me restart x with that change, and I'll posy it.
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16:24<stuckey>ayarter: Also... what happens when you do "X -configure" as root.
16:25<loudergood>that's what happens with an issue that shows up so quickly
16:25<ayarter>stucey:Can't find device driver
16:25<stuckey>ayarter: That's all it says?
16:25<stuckey>ayarter: You have to do it when X isn't running.
16:25<ayarter>yeah. sadly.
16:25<ayarter>I know. It just says can't find device driver
16:25<ml|>loudergood: good to know some actually report it
16:25<stuckey>? strange
16:25<stuckey>Well, you need X -configure.
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16:26<stuckey>Perhaps you'd try the X org channel (probably on freenode), and the ati channel (I think it's #radeon on freenode).
16:26<ayarter>I'll try it again, beofre I update xorg.conf and post the results
16:26<stuckey>ok
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16:26<loudergood>ayarter: you do have xserver-xorg-video-radeon installed right?
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16:27<ranix>Driver "ati" is very different from Driver "radeon"
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16:28<ayarter>snuckey:No devices to configure --configuration failed
16:28<sney>ayarter: put Device "Configured Video Device" in the Screen section
16:29<loudergood>ranix: xserver-xorg-video-ati is a wrapper for radeon
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16:30<ayarter>sney:done.
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16:30<ayarter>let me try again :)
16:30<ranix>loudergood: are the 'ati' and 'radeon' drivers synonyms in xorg.conf?
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16:30<loudergood>effectively
16:30<ranix>hm ok
16:31<sney>they didn't used to be. 'ati' was the driver for the Rage series and 'radeon' was the driver for the radeons, but I guess it'd make sense if they had merged them
16:31<ranix>except for the fact that there's really no similarity between a rage and a radeon
16:31<ranix>it's like comparing an lpt port and a serial port
16:31<sney>man, trying to remember this stuff is like digging through a big pile of cobwebs. I have to leave anyway
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16:31<ayarter>done, but no different.
16:31<ranix>haha
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16:32<loudergood>my rv100 actually does a half decent job with kwin compositing
16:32<ayarter>if I could get the rv100 to work :0
16:32<ayarter>i think its identical to my card.
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16:33<loudergood>pretty close
16:33<loudergood>mine is a 32MB mobility radeon 7500
16:34<bremner>so is FAT32 performance on Linux known to suck? I'm getting about 100KB/s write to a 16G Kingston USB key
16:34<ayarter>mine is a sun XVR-100, so radeon 7000?
16:34<engkeboy>I have a debian-etch box with 4 hard drives and used lvm to make the 4hdds a 1whole drive.. now, my box wont proceed to login screen because it runs fsck automatically but can't continue due to some errors in my filesystem according to fsck and also shows "check aborted" and suggest to use fsck without -p or something.. what should i do with this?
16:34<loudergood>bremner: that's really close to USB1.1 speeds
16:35<ranix>I have a gigabit usb adapter I can sell you, bremner
16:35<ayarter>well, I guess this ati issue is gonna be a huge issue for me tehn :)
16:35<ayarter>loudergood:Do you think you could share your xorg.conf with me?
16:36<bremner>loudergood: usb 3-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 11
16:36<loudergood>I'm running sid, so unfortunately I don't have much of an xorg.conf as it's autodetected
16:37<loudergood>http://pastebin.com/f7bc862a8
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16:37<ayarter>thanks
16:38<ayarter>I wonder if its because I don't have a bus id.
16:38<ayarter>who knows. lol
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16:39<loudergood>you can always pull that from lspci
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16:42<ayarter>that's true. awesome. Now, the chipset line in xorg overrides detection, right?
16:42<ayarter>so if I tell it that I have a radeon 7000, that should work?
16:43<ayarter>This machine only supports 3 video cards, so I'm really limited. Sucks.
16:43<loudergood>where it says board name? I'm not sure but I think that is descriptive
16:43<loudergood>do you have the drivers installed?
16:43<ayarter>I do.
16:43<ayarter>it just can't find its chipset name in the driver list.
16:44<loudergood>ahh
16:44<ayarter>I think that's what the chipset line is for though
16:44<loudergood>I've heard of that..
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16:44<ayarter>The Sunblade 2500 takes the Sun xvr100 (radeon 7000), and the xvr-500 and 1200, which are wildcat cards I think.
16:45<ayarter>I installed debian on my old sun, and I loved it. Now I'm trying to get it working on my workstation.
16:46<ayarter>its much faster than solaris for everyday stuff, that's for sure.
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16:48<loudergood>you may have to add the device id to the driver..
16:48<ayarter>how do I do that?
16:48<loudergood>something that #radeon could help you with
16:48<ayarter>okay, awesome. That's on freenode?
16:48<loudergood>it involves compiling
16:48<loudergood>yeah I think so
16:48<ayarter>Thanks a lot for your help guys.
16:48<ayarter>well, that's fine.
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16:49<ayarter>half the reason I've finally moved off of solaris is that I'm tired of compiling every app that I decide that I need.
16:49<Smaffler>on KDE(3?), I'm unable to change my screen resolution at all (right-click desktop background->configure desktop->Display). Two monitors won't display anything after the boot-up text, once the login screen appears.
16:49<ayarter>or recompiling dependencies whenever I wan to to upgrade, so.
16:50<ayarter>well, awesome guys. Thanks!
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16:50<samph>hello! im totally new to debian. im having trouble installing synaptic.. though another package manager would do also. the root terminal says something like "the package doesn't have an install-candidate"
16:50<Smaffler>debian-kde directed me here and said "X is configured for/detecting a single resolution"
16:50<mjt>hmm.. I think I've seen an application that lets one to browse/configure all settings in gnome, like config: URL in firefox.. What it is, anyone remember?
16:51<loudergood>gconf-editor?
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16:52<mjt>loudergood: yeah, that one.. It isn't installed on this machine for some reason, I used it on a laptop and tried to find it here but failed ;) Thanks!
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16:55<Ritchie>good god I was just Klined for no reason whatsoever
16:55<Ritchie>from Ubuntu Servers
16:55<Ritchie>what gives
16:55<azeem>Ritchie: do you have a Debian question?
16:55<Ritchie>Yeah
16:55<Ritchie>can debian help me defend myself in this case
16:56<azeem>no
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16:56<loudergood>that was strange.
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16:57<chealer>Smaffler: which resolution do you want?
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17:01<Smaffler>chealer: I don't know. This systems going to be used with a pretty old monitor. could probably get 1024x.
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17:02<Smaffler>chealer: sorry to have to be blind about it. :(
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17:03<chealer>Smaffler: it's a CRT screen, right?
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17:03<Smaffler>yes
17:04<chealer>Smaffler: please show your X configuration and log.
17:04<Smaffler>chealer: (current monitor is not) sure. Where do I find that?
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17:05<chealer>Smaffler: X configuration is in /etc/X11/xorg.cong, log is in /var/log/
17:05<chealer>Smaffler: X configuration is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, log is in /var/log/
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17:06<chealer>Smaffler: what do you mean? did you try starting X twice, each time with a different monitor plugged in?
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17:08<Smaffler>chealer: I mean I installed using this monitor (there was some miscommunication) and can't use the others (one of three CRTs will display it and they appear to be in working order) since I can't change the resolution (one indicates "frequency out of range"). getting log and conf.
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17:10<chealer>Smaffler: X autodetects resolutions at runtime. the first thing to try for changins the screen is to start X with the new screen plugged in
17:11<enouf>Smaffler: ""frequency out of range" is always the undefined Vert/Hor Refresh rates
17:12<enouf>you might also need to set DisplaySizw
17:12<enouf>er DisplaySize
17:12<Smaffler>chealer: xorg.conf is an empty document. and by log you are referring to xorg.1.log and/or xorg.2.log? I did try starting up with the other screens plugged in.
17:13<enouf> /var/log/xorg.0.log
17:14<chealer>Smaffler: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
17:14<enouf>sorry
17:14<enouf>my bad
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17:15<chealer>Smaffler: which Debian suite do you use?
17:15<firefox>Smaffler, I cam in late, but have you tried xrandr ? I messed around with xorg stuff til my eyes bled, but xrandr might gett it working until you get a static xorg setup?
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17:15<enouf>indeed - you NEED the CAPITAL X in /Xorg.0,log
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17:16<mjt>can gnome use system sounds without esd?
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17:16<mjt>s/use/produce/, whatever
17:16<enouf>mjt: who cares :-P
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17:16*enouf hides
17:16<ml|>mjt: /msg dpkg dmix
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17:17<enouf>!dsound
17:17<Smaffler>chealer: I'm not sure I understand the question. I'm using Debian 5.0, lenny I think, with gnome and kde environments installed, kde being the default desktop manager. Getting the log. lost by the comments about xrandr (am a noob, guys :D )
17:17<enouf>er ...
17:17<chealer>firefox: RandR only allows resolutions which X detected at runtime
17:17<enouf>!dual monitors
17:17<dpkg>For a wide desktop over multiple monitors ("xinerama"), you can either configure your layout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or, from lenny onwards, with xrandr. See http://www.jejik.com/articles/2008/10/setting_up_dual_monitors_system-wide_with_xrandr_on_debian_lenny/, http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12, http://thinkwiki.org/Xorg_RandR_1.2. Or ask me about <dual monitors etch> and <xrandr>.
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17:18<Smaffler>chealer: found it. you want me to send you the file, i presume?
17:19<enouf>!pastebin
17:19<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
17:19<mjt>ml|: that does not help much since gnome - apparently - uses esd for that stuff anyway
17:19<chealer>Smaffler: no, put it online. you can use a pastebin
17:19<enouf>Smaffler: ^^^^
17:20<enouf>mjt: er gvfsound?
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17:20<chealer>Smaffler: regarding xorg.conf, you're hit by http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=535624 which might, perhaps, contribute to your problem.
17:20<mjt>ml|: btw, my pc can play multiple streams simultaneously without any sound servers. Some especially ac97 devices can't but many hda can.
17:20<ml|>mjt: well you asked without using esd
17:21<Rhonda>gnome-do really makes me help additionally to my OSX theme to make my PowerBook look like it's actually running OSX. :) But ... is there a default key sequence it binds to?
17:21<mjt>ml|: i asked about gnome without esd :)
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17:21<enouf>my AC-97 ones can ... until...they broke alsaconf
17:21<Rhonda>Ah, reading the manpage helps. apple-space. :)
17:21<ml|>mjt: samething
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17:21<enouf>and i have all of udev/dbus/hal installled
17:22<mjt>ml|: care to explain?
17:22<Smaffler>here we go: http://paste.debian.net/45114
17:22<mjt>ml|: in gnome, one can turn on system sonds only after turning on esd usage
17:22<ml|>dmix will do what esd does now
17:22<mjt>hm
17:22<mjt>so i didn't understand..
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17:23<chealer>Smaffler: what's your video card's chipset?
17:23<ml|>mjt: i don't use gnome any more, but there is a preference pabe to setup systems sounds
17:24<ml|>*pane
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17:24<mjt>ml|: dmix does not provide esd socket
17:24<chealer>Smaffler: nevermind - is xserver-xorg-video-nv installed?
17:24<mjt>ml|: so it does not do the same as esd does
17:25<mjt>ml|: so it isn't useable for gnome system sounds
17:26<mjt>ml|: the thing is that *especially* for system sounds, gnome wants esd, no matter which audio subsystem is configured. There's separate tab in that "sounds properties" applet for that - "[x] enable esd" and "[x] enable system sounds", the second depends on the first.
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17:27<ml|>it should, but i don't use gnome and don't remember if i used esd back then, so i guess you do need esd for system sounds
17:27<enouf>and ... gconf-* bullshit
17:27<Smaffler>chealer: Sorry, was digging up the moot information. How do I find out if that's installed?
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17:27<chealer>Smaffler: what is your favorite package manager?
17:28<enouf>ml|: take a look at pstree -lunap output
17:28<Smaffler>kpackage :D
17:28<ml|>enouf: what for?
17:28<enouf>ugh
17:28<enouf>ml|: ...
17:29<Smaffler>chealer: kpackage. simple, easy to understand. I'll check there, I think I understand now.
17:29<enouf>Smaffler: /msg dpkg grounding
17:29<enouf>or go use ubuntu or windows
17:29<enouf>IMHO
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17:29<chealer>Smaffler: BTW, have you tried synaptic? I like KDE, but KPackage is really not its strength.
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17:30<soulisson>Hi i'm looking for good books on Linux Security and Security in general, any advice please ?
17:30<enouf>kpackage has been broken ever since i had the nerve to entertain the bloat
17:30<apostle>how can i check what drivers have been compiled in my main kernel.....not my modules
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17:30<Smaffler>chealer: xserver-xorg-video-nv is installed
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17:30<enouf>apostle: what? grep '=y' /boot/config-`uname -r`
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17:31<Smaffler>:chealer I haven't but I noticed it recently. I'll give it a try. messaging now.
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17:32<enouf>it's not ':chealer' but chealer
17:32<Smaffler>enouf: i know. i was editing my line while looking elsewhere. misnavigated.
17:32<chealer>Smaffler: hum. you should use the nv driver instead of vesa. normally you'd configure that with xorg.conf, but since yours is broken, it may be easier to just uninstall xserver-xorg-video-vesa. make sure to reinstall it if X refuses to start after that.
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17:33*enouf uses 'nv'
17:33*mjt uses radeon
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17:33*ml| same as enouf
17:34<enouf>the kernel module though, since .26 or so, for VESA has been uvesfb
17:34<enouf>er uvesafb
17:34<enouf>not for realmode though
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17:35<Smaffler>chealer: uninstall vesa, reinstall vesa if x doesn't start up? (how? *noob* )
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17:35<enouf>but dmesg | grep -i vga still works nicely
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17:35<enouf>er '-i vesa' too
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17:36<chealer>Smaffler: you can uninstall it with kpackage... if that's not easy, try synaptic immediately.
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17:36<chealer>Smaffler: installing it back without X could be slightly more difficult - use apt-get or ask here if it happens
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17:37<Smaffler>chealer: yes, reinstalling it was the bit I need to know. I'm not very handy in the terminal beyond apt-get install
17:37<chealer>Smaffler: you don't need to know more
17:38<Smaffler>chealer: final question before I try this, then. If X won't start up, I have no desktop? If I have no desktop, how will I return here? Terminal IRC client?
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17:39<adb>install irssi
17:39<chealer>Smaffler: indeed. you could, yes. but it would be as easy to reinstall the vesa package as installing an IRC client
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17:40<cybor1>hi
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17:41<Smaffler>chealer: good point. So here's the process I'll try. remove vesa. restart. if that works, shut down, swap monitors, power up. I say all this just in case I've made some fundamental reasoning error...
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17:43<chealer>Smaffler: sounds good
17:43*chealer bbl
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17:47<Smaffler>"purge configuration files?"?
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17:59<dsdasd>hi, i'm running debian lenny and i want to install virtualbox-ose, and apt says it wants to install linux-image-2.6.26-2-486 why is that? the current kernel i have is 2.6.26-2-686
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18:01<dsdasd>virtualbox-ose can't run on 686 ? i don't want to download 30 mb for nothing
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18:04<enouf>!486
18:04<dpkg>hmm... 486 is an ancient type of CPU. Nevertheless, it's good enough to have a 486 box as a router with ipmasquerading (and probably a cdr) :P
18:04<enouf>!686
18:04<dpkg>In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). You can also use a -686 kernel with the core2 chips for a 32 bit kernel (rather than the amd64 kernel).
18:05<dsdasd>enouf, so what do i do?
18:05<enouf>30MB is a LOT?
18:05<enouf>haha
18:06<dsdasd>not really, but i have this kernel working why do i need to download another? then all the nvidia kernel rebuild crap etc
18:06<enouf>even on my p150, 30M is nothing
18:06<enouf>read the Changelogs and BTS
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18:07<enouf>there's a _reason_ why its -489~6
18:07<enouf>e3r -486
18:07<chealer>dsdasd: install virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.26-2-686
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18:07<enouf>!metapackage
18:07<dpkg>metapackage is, like, a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example).
18:08<squelos>hi
18:08<chealer>dsdasd: APT is taking a guess between alternative dependencies - one could argue its solution is not optimal
18:08<chealer>dsdasd: actually, alternative recommendations
18:08<squelos>i cant go onto facebook anymore and youtube videos freeze (well some other flash stuff too causes FF to freeze) what could i do to fix this issu ?
18:08<dsdasd>so i just install the modules for 686 thanks
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18:09<enouf>apt-get rocks ;-)
18:09<squelos>ps : is iceweasel 3.5 in sid now ?
18:10<enouf>whocares
18:10<enouf>!sns
18:10<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.
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18:11<eightyei1ht>not seeing anything on the bts. anyone having issues connecting to smtp servers with icedove in sid?
18:11<craigevil>squelos: nope , 3.0.12-1 is in sid if you want 3.5.2 grab it from exp
18:12<squelos>craig : thats what im trying to do, but i cant get it :/ wtf did i forget o.O
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18:12<craigevil>Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.2) Gecko/20090820 Firefox/3.5.2 (Debian-3.5.2-1)
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18:14<squelos>no need, one of my cookies had gone wonkers, thats why facebook didnt work ...
18:14<squelos>maybe not actually
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18:14<chealer>squelos: Firefox isn't supported here
18:14<squelos>i know.
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18:15<squelos>im just complaining :p
18:15<squelos>but what i really want to complain about, is firestarter failling to launch :/
18:15<squelos>i get a nice red : PHAILED, on startup . but once im loged in, i can launch it without any problems ...
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18:18<drexl>hello I want to free up space on my drive by getting rid of all text editor hidden backups that have this at the end ~
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18:22<rudi_s_>drexl: find . -name '*~'
18:22<rudi_s_>And if your happy with the files you get: find . -name '*~' -delete
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18:23<helious>I have just installed of 5.0.2a, and selected UK to be my keyboard layout. It started with US layout, so I changed it, but it is reverted to US after reboot, how can I make it stay on my chosen layout please.
18:24<drexl>hey thanks
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18:25<rudi_s_>You're welcome.
18:26<ml|>drexl: or find . -type f -name "*~" -exec rm -ir {} \; remove the -i to use without confirmation
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18:28<chealer>helious: you're hit by http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=535624 . you could install a fixed xserver-xorg from proposed-updates (-20)
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18:31<Smaffler>well, disabling vesa didn't do it. :(
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18:31<Smaffler>that is, uninstalling.
18:32<chealer>Smaffler: what happens when you try starting X?
18:32<Smaffler>i'm not sure how TO start X. I restarted and I was left with a command prompt.
18:33<helious>chealer: I just marked proposed updates in my repository, but its not allowing me to install any of them
18:33<chealer>helious: I'm talking the "proposed-updates", or "stable-proposed-updates" repository
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18:34<chealer>s/the/about the/
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18:35<chealer>Smaffler: if X used to start automatically, it should still attempt to start. if you're just getting a tty, it must be failing to start (though I seem to remember some prompt saying that X had failed to start). anyway, show us the old X log (corresponding to the failed attempt to start)
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18:38<chubbz>I was having problems when I try and do an apt-get dist-upgrade, when apt tries to download some of the packages, it gives me a 404 error
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18:38<Smaffler>chealer: var/log/xlog.0?
18:38<chubbz>ive tried apt-get clean all && apt-get update with no results
18:39<chealer>Smaffler: probably Xorg.0.old
18:39<helious>chealer: silly me, i had it set up that stable>* .Im going to restart my computer to see if it worked. Thanks in advance
18:39<dsdasd>how can i see wich package provides what file?
18:39<chealer>Smaffler: probably Xorg.0.log.old
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18:39<Ampelbein>whois tgpraveen1
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18:41<chealer>dsdasd: what do you want to do exactly? you want the list of all dpkg-owned files and their owner?
18:41<skullbox>anyone here using fbpanel in openbox?
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18:41<Smaffler>chealer: http://paste.debian.net/45119/
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18:42<dsdasd>chealer, i want to see what package provides VBoxSVC binary, after i installed virtualbox-ose it's missing, and it seems it has something to do with the Com server error i get when starting virtualbox
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18:43<firefox>So I am trying to pair my BT head set with linux.. I got KDE with kbluetooth.. cant get anything to work.. hcitool does return the mac of my head set but hcitool cc "mac" does nothing...
18:44<firefox>or rather it doesn't give me an error it just goes to prompt. I have googled for the last 2 hours... anywhere I can look to get my headset working?
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18:45<helious>chealer: Thanks mate, working flawlessly
18:45<AzaToth>argh, 1258 packages to upgrade...
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18:46<chealer>dsdasd: $ dpkg -S ...
18:47<chealer>Smaffler: hum
18:47<Smaffler>:D
18:47<chealer>Smaffler: do you see your chipset (G71) mentioned in nv's manpage?
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18:48<Smaffler>i havn't checked it. and i'm a little clumsy with the man. man -k nv?
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18:50<Smaffler>chealer: i'm there, looking for the chipset
18:50<Smaffler>chealer: yes, as Geforce 7xxx
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18:51<firefox>no dice?
18:52<eljefe_>does checkinstall work in Sid? I am trying to build this but i fail with checkinstall http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KAudioCreator?content=107645
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18:53*Smaffler is about to switch to the monitor that DOES support this resolution. It's got some issues, though. goes fuzzy and insane, so i might do mute once in a while. am here, though.
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18:57<luciejen>hi , does anybody here knows how i can with a livecd chroot on a debian partition with grub2 and rebuild the mbr
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19:00<chealer>Smaffler: you could try forcing the driver to nv in xorg.conf. I'd suggest starting by getting a fixed xserver-xorg from stable-proposed-updated (version 1:7.3+20)
19:00<chealer>Smaffler: I'm also away
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19:02<Smaffler>chealer: workiong on applying the bugfix in the page you linked me to. I assume that's what you mean? And no worries, I appreciate the help and at your convenience.
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19:08<sea>helo
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19:12<chealer>Smaffler: yes. installing xserver-xorg 1:7.3+20 will fix
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19:26<vito>hello
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19:27<n3lab>re2all
19:28<n3lab>i have troubles with sound. i upgradeed lenny to sid and now sound too low
19:28<n3lab>:(
19:28<n3lab>can anybody help?
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19:33<luciejen>n3lab : did you checked the alsa mixer in start menu -> multimedia ??
19:33<n3lab>yap
19:33<n3lab>all is in maximum
19:35<luciejen>mmm maybe in sid they decided to switch gnome to pulse , so you have to check with its configration progs, dont know
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19:37<n3lab>:(
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19:45<SuperMiguel>with alot of ram, u guys think i will notice the difference between gnome and fluxbox for example?
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19:46<dli>SuperMiguel, yes
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19:48<SuperMiguel>dli, what u use ur self?
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19:48<dli>SuperMiguel, I run lxde with 12GB ram
19:49<SuperMiguel>not bad
19:50<SuperMiguel>u running raid as well?
19:50<dli>SuperMiguel, yes, raid5 on 2TBx4
19:50<SuperMiguel>not bad
19:50<adb>!u
19:50<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
19:50<adb>SuperMiguel: ^^
19:50<SuperMiguel>adb lol
19:51<adb>!lol
19:51<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
19:51<adb>SuperMiguel: ^^
19:51<SuperMiguel>adb, wud :)
19:51<SuperMiguel>!wud
19:51<dpkg>nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun.
19:52<Smaffler>I'm trying to install xserver-xorg 1:7.3+20 but neither synaptic nor kpackage will show anything above +19
19:54<dli>Smaffler, sid has 1.6.3, I wonder whether you can get backports
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19:54<Smaffler>dli: why would I want to downgrade?
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19:55<dli>Smaffler, 1.6.3 is an upgrade here
19:55<Smaffler>*cough* I knew that. oy...
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19:56<Smaffler>dli: would you explain that particular version-tracking convention to me? xD as well as what a backport is.
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19:57<dli>Smaffler, you are looking for xorg-7.3, while sid has xorg-7.4. you may want to try 7.4 instead, and from backports, of course
19:57<dli>!backports
19:57<dpkg>[backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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19:59<Smaffler>Did I miss a new release? I just downloaded and installed deb and kde last week. also, what is sid?
19:59*Smaffler is pretty new to linux :(
19:59<dli>!sid
19:59<dpkg>sid is, like, the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>.
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20:00<Smaffler>ahhh right, ok, i remember THAT now.
20:01<dli>Smaffler, you shouldn't be using sid. backporting xorg shouldn't be trivial, so, you may have to wait for xorg-7.4 to enter squeeze (testing)
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20:01<Smaffler>then i would be better off using the backport from sid or just getting the xorg +20?
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20:01<Smaffler>dli: ah, ok. the second, then?
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20:02<dli>Smaffler, I don't see 7.3+20 in debian yet
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20:03<Smaffler>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=535624
20:03<Smaffler>dli: I just can't figure out how to use the information given at the end. :(
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20:06<dli>Smaffler, you need an xorg.conf? try: X -configure
20:06<engkeboy>I have a debian-etch box with 4 hard drives and used lvm to make the 4hdds a 1whole drive.. now, my box wont proceed to login screen because it runs fsck automatically but can't continue due to some errors in my filesystem according to fsck and also shows "check aborted" and suggest to use fsck without -p or something.. what should i do with this?
20:06<dli>Smaffler, when xorg-7.4 arrives, you probably don't need any xorg.conf
20:06<chealer>dli: Smaffler uses stable
20:07<adb>!xorg.conf
20:07<ajavid>nope
20:07<chealer>Smaffler: it's normal. xserver-xorg 1:7.3+20 is only in stable-proposed-updates, which is not configured on any Debian install by default.
20:07<dli>Smaffler, then, just: X -configure, make xorg.conf manuall
20:07<ajavid>!drxx
20:07<dpkg>For Lenny onwards, ask me about <xorg config>. For Etch, reconfigure your X server by running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root; this will overwrite /etc/X11/xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (Sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>.
20:07<ajavid>!xorg config
20:07<dpkg>From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Things like resolution are configured by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. As a result, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often mostly blank but you can feed xorg settings using it still. Use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout and use "X -configure" as a template for your handwritten xorg.conf.
20:08<adb>!xorg
20:08<dpkg>X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.4. To install, ask me about <install x>. Ask me about <drxx> to reconfigure. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQ #xorg on irc.freenode.net.
20:09<Smaffler>my fallback monitor is beginnig it's fits. don't have much time. reading. one sec.
20:09<tcsetattr>reference implementation? they stopped saying "Sample Implementation", or someone failed to notice the distinction?
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20:11<Smaffler>chealer, dli: ok. Am I to understand that what I need to do is not so much fix the bug with the conf file as manually set my resolution? using...the .conf?
20:11<Smaffler>or..something along these lines?
20:12<chealer>Smaffler: if I was you, I'd start by upgrading xserver-xorg to 1:7.3+20. you can also do your xorg.conf directly
20:12<dli>Smaffler, just generate your xorg.conf, then, if you have two monitors, you can set that in gnome "preferences" menu
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20:14<Smaffler>I have a few but i'm not trying to use multiples and i'm not worried about that. i'm worried about getting one of the non-putz monitors working by setting an acceptable resolution. how do i perform the upgrade?
20:15<Smaffler>chealer: but worry about doing the xorg.conf after i've upgraded. k
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20:17<Smaffler>(quick recap of the problem for anyone who doesn't have the benefit of having read the last few hours :D once i get past the initial boot text, my old (but more functional thant his one) monitors can't display the resolution my kde desktop is set to. but i cant change it)
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20:22<SuperMiguel>how u boot the net install in video safe mode?
20:23<abrotman>text mode?
20:23<SuperMiguel>ya
20:24<SuperMiguel>abrotman, like there was something like safe_mode = On
20:24<abrotman>what's wrong with the normal text mode ?
20:24<SuperMiguel>i cant boot to it
20:25<SuperMiguel>like i just downloaded a netimage, and i get the boot: i hit enter and i get a white screen :S
20:25<SuperMiguel>with nothing on it
20:26<dli>SuperMiguel, try netboot from testing
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20:26<SuperMiguel>dli, this one: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ ?
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20:27<dli>SuperMiguel, yes, this is from testing
20:29<SuperMiguel>dli, wouldnt that install testing?
20:30<dli>SuperMiguel, yes, but you can test whether it boots
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20:45<SuperMiguel>any idea where i can find what does picking the option during install "Standard System" actually install?
20:46<abrotman>he should probably try stable .. the testing ISOs can be broken any day of the week
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20:47<SuperMiguel>abrotman, ya in stable on the installation, when they ask u if u want to install a desktop enviroment, and a webserver, etc, the last option says standard system, any idea what packages that installs?
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20:48<abrotman>if you don't want them .. just skip it
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20:49<SuperMiguel>abrotman, lol im just asking what does "standard system" installs
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20:49<abrotman>aptitude search "~pstandard"
20:50<abrotman>should be close enough for your purposes
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20:50<SuperMiguel>abrotman, look at this pic: http://images.howtoforge.com/images/the_perfect_desktop_debian_lenny/28.png
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20:50<SuperMiguel>see where it says standard system?
20:51<abrotman>or ignore what i say
20:52<chealer>SuperMiguel: yes. it installs packages with standard priority.
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21:01<SuperMiguel>dli, what file system you use?
21:01<dli>SuperDale, jfs, ext2, ext4
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21:02<SuperMiguel>dli, on ur base install? jfs?
21:03<abrotman>!ur
21:03<dpkg>Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a word meaning "from within". A german prefix for refering to something very old. Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For Debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya.
21:03<abrotman>bah ..
21:03<dli>SuperMiguel, I have jfs, ext4 for rootfs, on different boxes.
21:03<SuperMiguel>dli, im running raid 0 with 3 hds, any recommendation?
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21:04<dli>SuperMiguel, raid0 should be avoided
21:04<SuperMiguel>dli, hardware raid
21:05<dli>SuperMiguel, if you have regular backup, doesn't matter then
21:05<dli>SuperMiguel, still raid0 should be avoided
21:05<SuperMiguel>dli, i do.. :) on a raid5 and on a external 1.5tb
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21:06<SuperMiguel>dli, so which file system u recommend? or which one will perform the faster with my setup
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21:06<dli>SuperDale, I don't think you can do ext4 on stable
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21:06<dli>SuperMiguel, I suggest jfs, but ext3 is the default choice
21:07<abrotman>you can with unofficial installers
21:07<dli>abrotman, does lenny kernel support ext4?
21:08<abrotman>it does have ext4_dev .. but the kmuto has ext4 i believe
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21:14<SuperMiguel>dli, even for a desktop (not a server) jfs is a good choice?
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21:15<dli>SuperMiguel, jfs is good
21:15<SuperMiguel>k ill try it :)
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21:47<Lanz>Hello.
21:47<Lanz>Does anyone have any experience with Atheros AR9xxx series wireless cards on Squeeze?
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21:47<abrotman>probably should ask a more specific question
21:48<Lanz>I installed networkmanager and the ath9k module is loaded, but my wireless network on my router is not detected.
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21:49<Lanz>I have an Asus G71 laptop, the card is the Atheros AR928X
21:50<Lanz>Ie, I followed this http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k and it didn't work, and I have no idea why.
21:51<abrotman>checked your 'dmesg' for errors ?
21:51<Lanz>I did dmesg | grep ath and grep with wifi and wlan0, no errors
21:52<abrotman>none of the wireless tools show it ?
21:52<Lanz>The only thing I got was a message "wlan0: link is not ready" but there's nothing specific.
21:52<Lanz>I also tried wicd and kwlan
21:52<Lanz>No successs
21:53<Lanz>Am I missing firmware maybe?
21:53<Lanz>I looked around and it didn't seem like it, but I had to get firmware on my old laptop I remember, it had Intel wifi though
21:54<abrotman>don't think ath9k needs it
21:54<Lanz>Yeah I didn't think so either.
21:54<Lanz>Which is why I'm stuck haha
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21:54<Lanz>I don't know what the problem is.
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21:55<Lanz>ifconfig displays wlan0 and wmaster0 though...
21:55<Lanz>So they're detected
21:55<Lanz>And the card shows up in lspci
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21:57<Lanz>Also, the device works correctly on my LAN from Windows Vista
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21:58<Lanz>I also tried manually giving knetworkmanager the ESSID and all the information, but it still won't connect.
21:59<uninverted>I keep getting kernel panics, of the form "run-init: /sbin/init: No such file or directory". I got similar errors when I ran any other programs (before I rebooted it, I'm on a live CD now). The files are there and my $PATH is fine. What's happening?
21:59<uninverted>And I've done an fsck
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22:00<abrotman>Lanz: did you try with both devices?
22:00<Lanz>abrotman: You mean, try to use wmaster0 instead of wlan0?
22:00<abrotman>yeah
22:00<abrotman>though i guess wlan0 is the right one
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22:02<Lanz>I only tried wlan0
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22:07<Lanz>For other people, their interface is ath0
22:07<Lanz>Should mine be ath0 too? Is that a sign the driver isn't working?
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22:10<dli>Lanz, ifconfig -a
22:10<Lanz>Also, the card works fine on the Asus ExpressGate Linux splashtop it comes with
22:10<Lanz>dli: still no ath0
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22:16<Lanz>iwconfig shows lots of stuff for wlan0 but nothing for the rest
22:17<Lanz>It _should_ be working, but it isn't
22:18<dli>Lanz, try wicd
22:18<dli>Lanz, apt-get install wicd
22:18<Lanz>I did
22:18<Lanz>No succes
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22:21<Lanz>My network is a wpa personal network
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22:21<Lanz>I have wpa supplicant installed
22:22<Lanz>It doesn't even detect the network on scan
22:22<Lanz>It's as if no functions are working
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22:28<SuperMiguel>whats the best way to add icons to fluxbox?
22:29<ranix>I picture the WPA supplicant genuflecting before the WPA
22:29<ranix>its hands cupped plaintively
22:29<Lanz>Haha okay, I'll switch my network to wep and see if that helps
22:30<Lanz>Be back in a minute
22:30<ranix>Lanz: are you using iwconfig?
22:30<dli>Lanz, I would try open wifi first, just step by step
22:30<Lanz>Hmm okay
22:30<dli>Lanz, I don't really understand the need for WPA2.
22:31<Lanz>I ran iwconfig and got all sorts of info for wlan0
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22:31<Lanz>I need WPA2 to take advantage of 802.11n, it doesn't work with wep
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22:31<dli>Lanz, what about open wifi?
22:31<Lanz>I need to change the router, brb
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22:33<qbuntu>buenass
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22:33<Lanz>No luck with open wifi
22:34<qbuntu>what?
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22:40<Lanz>Should I give up and try ndiswrapper?
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22:47<ranix>Lanz: you should iwconfig eth0 scanning
22:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 368] by debhelper
22:47<ranix>Lanz: and find some internets
22:47<Lanz>How do I do that good sir?
22:48<ranix>or iwconfig wlan0 scanning or whatever its name is
22:48<ranix>ifconfig should show a wireless interface
22:48<ranix>like wlan0 or br0
22:48<Lanz>Yep it does
22:48<Lanz>wlan0
22:48<Lanz>So I type what?
22:48<ranix>so do iwconfig wlan0 scanning
22:48<ranix>do you get any output?
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22:48<Lanz>It says unknown command "scanning"
22:49<ranix>maybe it's iwlist?
22:49<ranix>try iwlist wlan0 scanning
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22:49<Lanz>wlan0 No scan results
22:49<Lanz>:(
22:50<ranix>Lanz: can you set your wireless router to act unsecured for a few moments to get testing working?
22:50<ranix>get it working unsecured, then with wep, THEN with WPA
22:50<ranix>so you're familiar with all steps
22:50<dli>ranix, I mentioned "open wifi" already :(
22:51<Lanz>No success with open either
22:51<ranix>Lanz: are any lights on your nic?
22:51<ranix>is it all flashing googly-eyed
22:52<Lanz>My wireless nic isn't showing any lights, but I figured it was just unsupported
22:52<Lanz>None of the led lights work on Linux
22:52<ranix>did you install any drivers for it?
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22:52<Lanz>No I didn't know which ones to install and I don't really care about the lights
22:53<ranix>Lanz: you know how in Windows, when you get a new wireless adapter you have to all load up a CD or download an executable to run that installs a bunch of crap and runs in your system tray to piss you off?
22:53<ranix>Lanz: instead of that, with Linux, you need to find out what 'chipset' your card is using and download the right driver for that chipset
22:54<ranix>either via apt or from the manufacturer
22:54<Lanz>It's an Atheros AR928X
22:54<Lanz>I have the driver loaded, it's the ath9k module
22:54<Lanz>I followed this: http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k
22:55<ranix>Lanz: did you ifconfig wlan0 up before running iwlist wlan0 scanning multiple times?
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22:56<Lanz>Yes, and no luck
22:56<ranix>Lanz: rey modprobe -r ath9k;modprobe -i ath9k
22:56<ranix>try
22:57<Lanz>Didn't work
22:57<ranix>try rebooting with the card intact for the hell of it and then rerun through that wiki
22:57<ranix>if you've done it right, the lights should flicker
22:57<ranix>when you scan with iwlist
22:58<ranix>if it doesn't work, try asking back tomorrow during the day when the people more familiar with wireless than me are around
22:58<ranix>try to avoid using ndiswrapper, it's an excrement sundae with a cherry on top
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22:59<abrotman>no whipped cream?
22:59<Lanz>Haha I figured as much
22:59<Lanz>I tried ndiswrapper years ago on my old Asus with an iwl3945 or whatever
22:59<Lanz>It was horrible
23:00<Lanz>But if it works this time, I don't care if it's junk lol
23:01<Lanz>Yeah the reboot and such didn't work
23:02<Lanz>Gonna go ahead with ndiswrapper
23:02<Lanz>:S
23:02<adb>Laney: this is ok ? >>> [ 04:56:59] <jcranmer> maybe I should turn the radio on first :-)
23:03<Lanz>I have another problem
23:03<adb>Laney: sorry , Lanz is for you
23:03<Lanz>My volumes are all muted once KDE 4.3 loads
23:04<Lanz>adb: how to do that?
23:04<adb>ask jcranmer on #debian on freenode
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23:05<adb>ah , to late his gone
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23:06<LPCN>hi
23:06<adb>Lanz: ^^
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23:07<LPCN>i weired things on my terminal like : "←[0m♫tqqqqqqqq"
23:07<LPCN>can someone help?
23:07<LPCN>got*
23:07<adama26>type reset
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23:08<LPCN>reset: standard error: Invalid argumen
23:08<LPCN>:x
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23:10<adama26>?? we need more information
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23:11<LPCN>like?
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23:11<adama26>what were you doing that this happened?
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23:11<LPCN>i typed export $term=linux
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23:12<adb>LPCN: kernel , debian version ?
23:12<LPCN>debian etch, 2.6.21
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23:13<adb>2.6.21 how so ?
23:13<LPCN>2.6.21-2-686
23:14<adb>etch come with 2.6.18 and 2.6.24-half ..
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23:16<LPCN>:/
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23:21<user01>what does it mean if it shows traceroute to my router and then * * * for every hop thereafter?
23:22<TheFish>* can be any number
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23:22<user01>TheFish, but it prints *
23:22<TheFish>that means that there is more than one hop, well i think
23:22<TheFish>soh
23:22<TheFish>oh
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23:23<user01> 1 my.router (10.0.0.1) 1.199 ms 3.254 ms 4.029 ms 2 * * *3 * * *
23:23<TheFish>hmmm
23:23<Cristiano>hey
23:23<TheFish>hi
23:24<adama26>means those tracert packets are not getting replied to by the next hops
23:24<TheFish>ah
23:24<user01>so its a firewall?
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23:24<adama26>could be your ISP
23:25<user01>mmm they dont want me seeing that network problems are theirs probably
23:25<TheFish>or a bad wire, look at the lights on the back of your router, modem, hub, or switch. which ever one you have
23:25<adama26>or possibly your router I suppose
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23:25<adama26>is regular traffic working OK?
23:25<user01>well im chatting right now on the same connection
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23:26<TheFish>they should be lighting up, and one of them blicking ever once and a wile
23:27<TheFish>did you check your configs?
23:27<user01>my internet works
23:27<TheFish>then what isn't working?
23:28<user01>just not sure why i cant see beyond my router for hops
23:28<TheFish>then your ISP is blocking you from doing that
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23:28<user01>:(
23:29<TheFish>and its there firewall blocking you
23:29<user01>im such a nice person though :(
23:30<TheFish>but to them your just another customer
23:30<user01>oh well ill read about how it would look if my isp liked me in my linux book
23:30<sney>a lot of ISPs filtered ICMP traffic after those windows viruses that spread by pinging potential targets
23:30<adama26>user number 01 though
23:31<TheFish>so its all windows fault :P
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23:32<user01>seems like there would be someway to trace route, i mean the packets are going and coming back obviously
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23:33<user01>unless you are all in my imagination which is entirely possible . . . i do dream of fish a lot
23:34<adama26>traceroute packets are a certain type (ICMP) which can be filtered and blocked easily
23:34<TheFish>no i'm not in your imagination, im the fish in your fish tank ;P
23:35<user01>which is ironic because i dont have a fishtank therefore you could be either the imaginary fish in my imaginary fishtank or the real fish in my imaginary fish tank
23:35<user01>is there another kind of traceroute for other kinds of packets?
23:35<TheFish>hmmm, good point, but i could be in someone elses fish tank
23:36<user01>or honey pot
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23:55<ineslxpt>Hi, how can I find a list of supported devices on Debian Lenny
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23:58<LPCN>on the debian wiki?
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