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00:54<jelloir>I have been adding and removing some packages to basically have a look at them/test them etc. on Debian Sid using aptitude. However when I use "purge --purge-unused" it does not clean out all the packages installed as dependencies during the install. I have aptitude configured to not install recommends by default. Is their an option in aptitude that will enforce this type of behaviour?
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01:02<k1lumin4t1>anybody around using amsn 0.98 ?
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01:03<sney>looks like I'm still on 0.97.2
01:03<sney>judd: versions amsn
01:03<judd>sney: amsn -- etch: 0.95+dfsg2-0.3 lenny: 0.97.2~debian-1 squeeze: 0.97.2~debian-3 sid: 0.98~svn11402-1
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01:03<k1lumin4t1>I'm on the one in Sid
01:03<sney>I sure hope that's not a sid support question you've got
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01:13<svksrz>wget http://sci.nl/dl/mach*.ogg Could I do this? Or maybe [...]l/mach*
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01:22<gps23>someone please tell me how to change browser used by xdg-open
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01:43<uldics>I have a aproblem with proprietary fglrx 3D driver. It strangely enough works, but acceleration is not working. And amdcccle and fglrxinfo gives errors and exits. How do I get it working?
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01:53<k1lumin4t1>Anybody experiencing problems using Amarok 2.1.1-4 under Debian Squeeze?
01:56<k1lumin4t1>I get this error when loading: http://pastebin.ca/1554611
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01:59<n3lab>use moc, luke ;)
02:00<n3lab>try to aptitude install amarok
02:00<k1lumin4t1>I did
02:04<Gun_Smoke>There are a lot of things expected to be broken in Squeeze at the moment
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02:06<fanuc98>so, squeeze = sidux?
02:06<fanuc98>If not, what is the difference?
02:06<n3lab>Gun_Smoke, i use sid
02:06<n3lab>all works
02:07<Gun_Smoke>fanuc98, no
02:07<n3lab>no?
02:07<n3lab>i thought that sid=squeeze
02:07<Gun_Smoke>n3lab, I also use sid. But I've kept back any upgrades to amarok.
02:07<Gun_Smoke>sid=sid
02:08<Gun_Smoke>squeeze is testing at the moment
02:08<n3lab>sid=next version=testing=squeeze
02:08<Gun_Smoke>sid is always sid or unstable
02:08<n3lab>at that moment :/
02:09<Gun_Smoke>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Releases
02:10<fanuc98>No, no no.....squeeze = "Next Stable realease" and sidux = always changing unstable.
02:10<fanuc98>right?
02:10<fanuc98>If your having problems, why not go stable?
02:11<Gun_Smoke>The only real reason to be running stable IMO is on a server.
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02:11<fanuc98>And if you want to test the rest....then test the rest.
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02:11<fanuc98>Then figure it out.
02:11<fanuc98>just imo
02:12<n3lab>okok
02:12<n3lab>k1lumin4t1, so install older amarok
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02:12<n3lab>from lenny repos
02:12<n3lab>and hold him with aptitude
02:12<k1lumin4t1>n3lab, worked it around
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02:14<Gun_Smoke>That's what I do.. If the current Amarok kept all the feature of previous versions.. mp3 player, podcast fetching etc. I would have went with it.
02:14<fanuc98>Or re-write amarok to fit the new unstable version of debian.
02:15<Gun_Smoke>OK
02:15<fanuc98>I cannot do that, so I choose stable. It's all GNU, if I am not mistaken. :)
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02:25<Gun_Smoke>what?
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02:32<uldics>How do i get acceleration on proprietary fglrx driver working?
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02:33<Lethalman>uldics, it should be enabled by default
02:33<Lethalman>at least on sid, in an empty xorg.conf having only Driver "fglrx"
02:35<uldics>my fglrx loads (lsmod shows it), but no acceleration is on
02:35<uldics>and xorg.conf does not have any lines with disable yes or enable no acceleration
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02:40<Gun_Smoke>Is a screen saver or blanked screen enabled by default for consoles?
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02:45<wekt>I would like a sandbox bug for testing the BTS & reportbug: a false package that bugs can be reported on to test bug reporting.
02:46<Lethalman>wekt, for reportbug you can use the --debug option and -O
02:46<n3lab>mans, can anybody give me links to some songs about linux, IT and computers? :)
02:46<Lethalman>n3lab, *men
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02:46<n3lab>oh sorry :)
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02:47<n3lab>so? :)
02:48<wekt>Lethalman: thanks, but that won't test the case I am having diffuculty with: submitting a report by reportbug and having it never show up in BTS.
02:48<wekt>silently vanishing
02:48<Lethalman>wekt, it's sent to your mail
02:48<wekt>yes, not to BTS, so I can not see whether it is accepted by BTS
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02:49<Lethalman>wekt, why would you want to see it accepted to bts? are you hacking the bts?
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02:52<wekt>the combination of reportbug and bts leads to silently discarded reports with no sign of where the error is. I don't know whether a problem is in reportbug or bts at this point. It in any case needs to be tested that the reportbug reports are accepted by BTS. The 2 choices are to create a sandbox, or expect anyone testing reportbug to install & set up BTS on their own system.
02:54<Lethalman>wekt, most of the time is in the delivery method you're using (reportbug bts smtp? mua? mta?)
02:54<Lethalman>if it's not accepted, at 99% it's not been sent
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02:56<booboo>what up yal
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02:58<wekt>as i fiddle with the settings of reportbug, i need to repeatedly test sending. where do my tests land when they succeed? at best in a sandbox.
02:59<Lethalman>wekt, which is your own mail
02:59<Lethalman>if you can't send mails you can't either look at the sandbox
02:59<Lethalman>so what's the purpose of the sandbox
02:59<Lethalman>?
02:59<Lethalman>use --debug, that will send the bug to your own mail
03:00<booboo>what up
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03:00<wekt>that an attempt to send mail is done, I can see.
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03:40<happy>hey dii
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04:12<Tuplad>I have just completed a big update on squueze, and my sound disappeared in amarok but not in totem :o anyone knows what's up ?
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04:14<n3lab>downgrade alsa
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04:14<n3lab>to old version
04:14<n3lab>in squeeze alsa works badly(
04:14<Tuplad>aah
04:14<Tuplad>how do I downgrade ? :o
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04:15<n3lab>and check all alsa and vollume configuration
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04:16<n3lab>how? mm. add lenny repo, update, then install alsa packages, then remove lenny repo
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04:16<n3lab>but i don't know how true is this way
04:16<n3lab>i am newbie in debian
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04:17<Tuplad>hmmm
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04:24<cahoot>Tuplad: if sound works in one app there is no reason at all to suspect alsa
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04:25<Tuplad>cahoot: true
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04:25<Tuplad>cahoot: I tried testing audio device in amarok, but it failed
04:25<cahoot>then I'd look at amarok's config
04:26<cahoot>and BTS of course
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04:36<chiku>5.0.3 released?
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04:36<chiku>not yet on ftp?
04:40<Tuplad>cahoot: BTS?
04:40<cahoot>Tuplad: bug tracking system - should be known to you
04:42<svksrz>Wish me luck - custom Wine install
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04:42<Tuplad>cahoot: oh yes :)
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04:46<Tuplad>cahoot: found it... I use phonon to produce sound, and this amarok version uses alsa. the experimental version of amarok uses phonon.
04:48<gsimmons>chiku: It should be on the primary mirrors by now, some secondary mirrors may require a little more time. If you are referring to 5.0.3 installation media, they will be available soon.
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04:48<Vizirovics>Hozsanna dicsoseges tesvereim
04:49<chiku>gsimmons, cdimage.debian.org is primary mirror?
04:50<streuner>!hu
04:50<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t.
04:51<Vizirovics>thx
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04:53<chiku>I mean for ISO images
04:56<wekt>n3lab: what do you wish to do?
04:56<n3lab>?
04:58<wekt>n3lab: you have a problem with sound?
04:59<n3lab>not me
04:59<n3lab>it was my advise:)
04:59<n3lab>i solved problem with sound in sid like i wrote later
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05:00<cahoot>n3lab: telling people to mix debian versions isn't 'good advice'
05:01<n3lab>maybe
05:01<n3lab>i am newbie
05:01<cahoot>obviously
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05:09<morph>hi!
05:09<morph>there was a guy here that wanted a sandbox for reportbug
05:09<morph>who as it?
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05:19<morph>is this idiot here: "Mike H." <noushahmi@nphiuu.mine.nu> ?
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05:22<anon>hello noshadow. That doesn't seem to have changed anything. I have installed gnome-randr-applet but it's not listed in my menus and I can't find it with xterm
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05:26<mjt>morph: the person who wanted reportbug sandbox is wekt
05:26<morph>wekt: FUCK YOU!
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05:26<mjt>lovely
05:26<morph>wekt: what the hell are you doing?!
05:26<morph>mjt: yeah...
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05:27<morph>wekt: use the fucking --debug option and stop sending shit to bts. NOW!
05:28<anon>Hello all. I'm looking for information on setting up an extended desktop on Dedian 5. My graphics card is an Nvidia GeForce 8500 GT and I have two acer P223w displays.
05:28<mjt>morph: according to /whois he's in .de, not in .nu
05:28<morph>mjt: thanks for pointing me to him :)
05:28<morph>mjt: I think those are that dyndns domains
05:29<morph>so anyone can have them (and yeah, no name in the the /whois and in the bug reports, very clever)
05:29<morph>*full name
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05:30<mjt>'hwell.
05:30<anon>I have looked at the debian help pages but that talks about editing xf86config which isn't on my system. /etc/X11/xorg.cong is empty. synaptic says gnome-randr-applet is installed but I don't seem to have any way to run it. Can anyone help me or direct me to some docs
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05:32<anon>I'd prefer the kind of doc that you read but the kind of doc that gives you pills would probably be just as good.
05:33<mjt>back at 2001 or so i had a tiny piece of software to glue an email system with an antivirus. For testing i created an email message with standard EICAR signature, filling my email address in From: and To:. And people started using it, and using that email for testing, and I started getting "you sent virus" emails.
05:33<mjt>i changed that address to @example.com quickly, but somtimes I *still* receive those "replies" to "my" email from 2001
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05:54<mjt>hmm... base-files 5lenny4 ?
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06:12<handjob>Hello gentleman. I think i got the alzheimer. Can someone plese remind me what was the switch that made it possible to execute secound command after finishing the first one? Eg - cd ./lol (switch) mkdir what.
06:15<[machine]>handjob: &&
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06:15<weasel>or ; or ||, depending on the semantics you want.
06:16<handjob>Thank you both. <3
06:16<weasel>or even &.
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06:36<koffee>do I need to worry that I see XKeepsCrashing and whiptail Failed to start the X server in my (headless) ps? I connect with tightvnc into ldxe just fine
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06:56<raboof>is there a good newbie's guide to 'compiling stuff' on Debian? Explaining the usual helpers like ./configure, waf, scons, make, and how to find out which -dev packages to install?
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06:56*raboof wrote http://www.denemo.org/index.php/Compiling , but it could use a link to some more generic docs
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07:07*mjt used to compile stuff for about 15 years but never heard of waf and scons... FSVO "usual" :)
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07:08<wekt>morph: I tried the "fucking --debug option", which provided me with no useful information. I also (attempted to) capture SMTP traffic to see whether reportbug attempted delevery. No packets were captured and appearently reportbug did not attempt delivery. I know now, due to your 'statements' that reports had were delivered, but I could not see that. I also had checked entry in BTS via the web
07:09<wekt>"FUCK YOU!" is an inappropriate address. An example of what would have been an appropriate address is, "Thank you, for attempting to help out. Multiple reports were recieved from you. Probably you were unaware that bug reports are not visible by the web interface for days after they are submitted. This is described in Bug #12345. I am sorry for time you may have wasted due to this. You can veri
07:09<wekt>i see he is no longer here.
07:09<abrotman>uh what?
07:09<raboof>mjk: yeah well, inventing wheels seems a popular activity :)
07:10<raboof>mjk: i've seen waf in several audio packages lately
07:10<mjt>s/mjk/mjt/g :)
07:10<raboof>uuuuh indeed
07:10<mjt>but ok ;)
07:10<abrotman>scons was supposed to be nice .. though i haven't seen in it in a couple of years
07:10<nirgal>etch updated to 5.0.3 today :)
07:11<nirgal>lenny i mean
07:12<abrotman>make up your mind
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07:27<smhar>greetings
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07:28<smhar>greetings
07:28<abrotman>so you said!
07:29<smhar>I have aproblem with wireless connection in my debian notebook. It seems -as many had suggested- that I need to update the system. So I installed winxp in vmware and I am using a wireless usb gsm internet connection.
07:30<smhar>Now, how to connect my debian host so it will use the internet from the windows guest?
07:30<abrotman>can't you just plug it in via a wired connection?
07:31<smhar>abrotman, wish I have access to one
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07:32<smhar>this is what I have for now
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07:34<smhar>the other option is booting using ubuntu live and chrooting to installed debian and update
07:35<smhar>oh.. the thirs option is to solve the wifi problem directly without all this trouble :-)
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07:36<abrotman>in windows .. you'd use ICS i guess .. then point your debian at it .. not sure if it will work
07:37<smhar>can not I just set debian gateway to the IP of the windows guest?
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07:38<abrotman>you can try
07:39<wekt>smhar: how about serving the MS Windows machine from the Debian? You can enable IP masquerading/NAT from the Debian computer.
07:39<musca>smhar: enable ICS
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07:39<smhar>ok.. let me see how to enable this ICS thing
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07:44<PowermanBG>*_*
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07:45<norbert_>was 5.0.3 released today?
07:45<norbert_>(I can download 116 upgraded packages)
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07:46<abrotman>norbert_: yes
07:46<norbert_>cool; thanks for the info
07:46<abrotman>http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2009/msg00012.html
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08:18<uldics>How do I get fglrx proprietary video driver to run with acceleration?
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08:41<kardan|>how do I start a download with ctorrent?
08:41<kardan|>rtorrent adds the torrent but doesnt start loading (CLOSED)
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08:44<uldics>Is it some package I miss, when my proprietary fglrx video driver works without acceleration?
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09:03<dpkg>it has been said that mm is Myanmar (Burma)
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09:30<karthik>hi, can any one help me i have installed kde 4.2 on my intel system, it is dead slow
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09:35<KangarooBox>OK, I have a *hard* crash in Squeeze and its not reporting anything before it goes down.
09:35<KangarooBox>What's my next step?
09:35<KangarooBox>I'm getting desperate here.
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09:36<KangarooBox>No errors on the console - at all!
09:36<KangarooBox>Nothing weird in syslog...
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09:37<KangarooBox>I can't get the system to tell me whats wrong and this is *very* rare for Linux to just freeze up like this. Not even a kernel panic.
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09:37<raboof>any pattern in the crashes that might be tracable to a cron job or something?
09:38<KangarooBox>Not as far as I can tell. I reinstalled the box fresh this week and have been slowly adding things back to it.
09:38<cahoot>run memtest?
09:38<KangarooBox>Any advice on re-booting it? I tried the Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly Boring trick and it didn't even blink.
09:38<locklace>KangarooBox: did you change any software just before the hangs started? how about hardware? did it ever work? check for heat problems and test your ram with memtest86+
09:39<KangarooBox>cahoot: Yup, it pases a memtest just fine.
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09:39<KangarooBox>A little background: I had a Dell1650 running old test (Lenny) and everything was fine
09:39<locklace>KangarooBox: try running on a livecd for a while and see if it works fine
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09:40<KangarooBox>a couple of weeks ago I upgraded it to current testing (Squeeze).
09:40<locklace>KangarooBox: and are you running x? if so do the hangs happen when x isn't running?
09:40<cahoot>would't the complete lack of errormsg make hw more suspect than sw?
09:40<KangarooBox>The problems started last Friday and I ran a memtest and found out that there was bad RAM slots. So I replaced it with a completely different Dell1650 and reinstalled from scratch.
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09:41<locklace>cahoot: could be driver fail
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09:41<KangarooBox>cahoot: It does seem like hw but this same box was running as a web server for the past 2 years just fine.
09:42<KangarooBox>Now the one thing that makes me think is that it is connected to a Coraid box (AOE).
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09:42<KangarooBox>But I have benn using the Coraid for over a year with no problems. And Coraid says there is no problems with Squeeze.
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09:43<KangarooBox>Is there some kernel flag I can turn on to help diagnose this problem?
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09:44<KangarooBox>I turned on the --MARK-- support in rsyslog to see if I could get a time line of the problem.
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09:44<locklace>KangarooBox: not satisfied with your level of responsiveness, you seem to be in write-only mode. going to give up now
09:44<KangarooBox>locklace: What?
09:44<KangarooBox>locklace: Oh, sorry. Was rebooting the box.
09:45<KangarooBox>locklace: No, it does not run X and booting into a live CD is a good idea.
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09:45<locklace>and did it ever work without hanging on this (new) system
09:46<KangarooBox>locklace: Yes, the machine has been up and stable since Wed.
09:46<xymcrush17>hy
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09:46<locklace>KangarooBox: so it just started hanging in the last day or two as you've been adding packages?
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09:47<KangarooBox>The last 2 things I added (configured) were BoxBackup and Rsync.
09:47<KangarooBox>locklace: Yes, it seems that way.
09:48<locklace>KangarooBox: it worked fine before those two packages?
09:48<KangarooBox>Yes, it seemed to.
09:48<locklace>KangarooBox: both of those are disk-related, don't know what you have them doing but that plus your AOE thing suggests ATA subsystem could be a problem area
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09:49<KangarooBox>locklace: Yes, the BoxBackup writes to the AOE drives; rsync does not.
09:49<locklace>KangarooBox: obvious first thing to try is remove/stop the backup and see if it makes any difference
09:50<KangarooBox>Actually, I just got back on the box and the last things I added were Mongrel, ntpd, libopenssl-ruby, rsync, apt-mirror
09:50<KangarooBox>locklace:
09:50<KangarooBox>locklace: Yup.
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09:50<locklace>KangarooBox: dually, another thing to try is some tests that hit the ata subsystem hard, and see if they induce a hang
09:51<KangarooBox>locklace: One problem is that I can't determine when/if it will fail. So I don't know how long to wait until I know its stable. Grrr...
09:51<KangarooBox>locklace: Shouldn't there be *some* sort of message *somewhere* on a hang/panic?
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09:51<locklace>KangarooBox: how long has it been running on average between hangs
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09:52<KangarooBox>Well, I left yesterday around 4:00pm and it seemed to be running OK, but the last syslog was from ...
09:53<KangarooBox>HOLY CARP! It just died again!
09:53<locklace>!win KangarooBox
09:53<dpkg>Congratulations, KangarooBox! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
09:53<KangarooBox>This time while stopping the PuppetMaster service running on Mongrel.
09:53<KangarooBox>I *think* this is good.
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09:54<KangarooBox>Wow, I've never had a server just drop dead like this. Even Windows gives you a blue screen. :)
09:54<locklace>can it run at all without the AOE (does it have local disk for root fs)
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09:55<KangarooBox>locklace: Yes, it can run without AOE. I just use that for mass storage (BoxBackup / APT-Mirror)
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09:55<locklace>KangarooBox: run it for a while with the AOE unmounted
09:56<KangarooBox>locklace: I did that a bit last week and it seemed to be OK. But then again how long does it take to prove that a server is stable? :/
09:56<locklace>well it's been dying pretty regularly for you in the current circumstances, sounds like
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09:57<KangarooBox>The thing is that AOE was not even mounted correctly this last time it died. It doens't mount on boot and I didn't have time to start it before the box died.
09:57<KangarooBox>Yup. This time it took less than 10 minutes. :)
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09:57<locklace>ok. so what kind of hardware was in use at the time?
09:58<KangarooBox>The same box.
09:58<locklace>components
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09:59<locklace>basically you either have a hardware fault, a firmware (e.g. BIOS) problem, or a bad kernel/driver bug
10:00<KangarooBox>locklace: Hmm... BoxBackup was up but broken because it couldn't get to its disks; PuppetMaster; and a few other things...
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10:00<KangarooBox>locklace: I think I might rule out my specific hardware, because it has happened on 2 completely separate machines.
10:01<locklace>so you have to narrow things down by changing some of those variables
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10:01<KangarooBox>locklace: Even thier BIOS versions were different (A05 & A10)
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10:02<locklace>but the problem on the last system was bad ram
10:02<KangarooBox>Now, the next thing that pops up is the AOE driver. That has been loaded every time but not necessarily being used.
10:03<KangarooBox>locklace: I'm not so sure anymore. With both boxes having the exact same symptoms and one has good RAM and one has bad RAM?
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10:03<locklace>what are the respective kernel versions each box was/is running
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10:04<locklace>sounds like a driver regression
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10:05<KangarooBox>I was running testing (Lenny) on the old, working configuration. I'm running the latest Squeeze (2.6.30-1-686) on the new, borked configurations.
10:06<locklace>i'd blacklist the aoe driver and let it run for a while
10:06<KangarooBox>locklace: Is there a way to turn on debugging or something in the kernel to at least get it to tell me something.
10:06<locklace>sure, there are hundreds of debugging flags spread throughout every subsystem
10:07<KangarooBox>locklace: Good idea. How do I do that? /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist?
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10:07<locklace>yes
10:08<cahoot>and rebuild initramfs?
10:09<KangarooBox>cahoot: I just installed Lenny and upgraded to Squeeze 3 days ago.
10:09<locklace>you could also just let it boot normally and then manually unload the driver with modprobe -r
10:10<cahoot>KangarooBox: the info in /msg dpkg blacklist might be informative (re the initramfs)
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10:10<KangarooBox>locklace: Oh, OK. I also chmod a-x /etc/init.d/aoetools so that it wouldn't auto start
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10:11<KangarooBox>cahoot: Thanx! dpkg is so helpful. :)
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10:12<Wunnymush>hi
10:13<Wunnymush>how can i install tar.gz packages?
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10:13<KangarooBox>OK, I guess I'll just let the server sit for a while with AOE unloaded and Mongrel not running and see what happens.
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10:13<KangarooBox>Thanx for the feedback guys. L8r.
10:14<locklace>let us know how it goes
10:14<avu>Wunnymush, .tar.gz is not a package format but an archive format, like .zip
10:14<Wunnymush>ok..
10:14<avu>Wunnymush, so the answer would be "depends on what's inside"
10:14<avu>Wunnymush, in most cases, there will be an INSTALL or at least a README file inside explaining the procedure
10:15<Wunnymush>avu: i installed the archive with just make and make install on ubuntu...but in Debian it don't work. It's a Linux x-fi soundriver
10:15<avu>Wunnymush, well, then you should probably read the error message(s) you get and act appropriately
10:16<avu>Wunnymush, probably a missing dependency or something like that
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10:16<Wunnymush>ok
10:16<adb>Wunnymush, /msg dpkg b-e
10:16<Wunnymush>i would try that. Thanks
10:17<Wunnymush>it says it's missing
10:17<Wunnymush>adb
10:17<adb>put that in irc line
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10:18<Wunnymush>ok
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10:20<Wunnymush>adb, thanks,
10:21<XAVeRY>is it possible to have Open Sound System (the old one) enabled in Debian?
10:22<cahoot>try aptitude show oss-linux
10:23<adb> /msg dpkg oss
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10:45<Loafers>How to get tabs in Nautilus?
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10:46<cahoot>Loafers: as opposed to new window?
10:46<Loafers>cahoot, yes
10:46<cahoot>Loafers: gconf-editor
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10:47<bja>Loafers: there is an option on Nautilus
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10:48<Loafers>Found it, thanks.
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10:49<fenix>oi td bein
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10:51<Loafers>How do I remove the home folder, trash, and computer link from the desktop?
10:52<Loafers>I like my desktop clean
10:53<bja>Loafers: all that is in ~/Desktop you can move them erase them or whatever you want
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10:55<mjt>bja: here, ~/Desktop is empty but trash,computer and home folders are on the desktop still
10:55<Loafers>bja, yeah it's empty for me too
10:55<ims>squeeze-xfce: I can't install numlockx, any ideas???
10:55<Loafers>checked hidden files too
10:58<Loafers>!squeese > Loafers
10:58<chiku>debian 5.0.3 ISO are not enable yet?
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10:59<bja>mjt, Loafers: There is a way, but its been long since i last used gnome, let me dig for the how-to (if it still exist)
10:59<debianizede>i would like to shift from ubuntu to debian, let me know what CDROM iso version should i download for i386, thanks ppl
11:00<themill>chiku: you can just use the 5.0.2 image; there's only a few updated packages
11:00<chiku>I know
11:00<chiku>I have 5.0.2a iso
11:00<chiku>but I will install some VMs
11:00<debianizede>is 5.0.2a also a debian/etch?
11:01<chiku>lenny
11:01<chiku>etch it's 4.x
11:01<Loafers>debianizede, Here: http://tr.im/xX7W
11:01<debianizede>thanks
11:01<chiku>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2a/i386/iso-cd/
11:01<Loafers>bja, Thanks. I can't believe it has to be this difficult to do something so trivial :(
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11:02<chiku>or http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/
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11:04<cwood>Good morning. If you lot were buying a portable music player, which one would you buy for maximum Debian (and other free software) compatibility?
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11:05<debianizede>anyone successful using this proprietary AMD software for HD3200 ati-driver-installer-9-8-x86.x86_64.run
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11:06<locklace>cwood: cowan iaudio 7 or the like
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11:06<cwood>googling, thank you.
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11:07<Loafers>How to get the same font rendering as Ubuntu?
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11:11<cwood>Define "same"?
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11:13<Loafers>cwood, trying to get the same quality font rendering in Ubuntu on debian
11:14<cwood>Sorry, never used ubuntu. My font rendering here is pretty spiffy.
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11:16<Loafers>cwood, what'd you do to improve the rendering?
11:17<Stenks>Hi, I've got a problem with Debian Lenny: My serial mouse doesn't work. Is there anyone that can help me?
11:17<bja>Loafers: for a correct rendering on X you need first to have your correct video driver installed, if you have a lcd screen, you need to put the precise resolution to it so you have the correct rendering responsse from the monitor
11:17<Loafers>bja, ok thanks
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11:33<monax>добрый вечер !
11:33<themill>!ru
11:33<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
11:34<mjt>lol
11:34<monax>подскажите почему я не могу установить дебаин ?
11:34<Stenks>Hi, I've got a problem with Debian Lenny: My serial mouse doesn't work. Is there anyone that can help me?
11:36<cwood>Stenks: doesn't work in X or at the console?
11:36<themill>monax: /server irc.freenode.net ; /join #debian-russian
11:36<monax>OK
11:36<monax>)
11:38<mjt>monax: you'll have.. issues with cyrillic in #debian-russian. they want obsolete koi8, you're using utf-8
11:39<monax>I know! how to change
11:39<mjt>no idea
11:39<monax>что ?
11:39<monax>whata ?
11:39<monax>what ?
11:40<mjt>probably LANG=ru_RU.KOI8-R before starting X. But you'll lose all filenames and texts
11:40<bike__>should it really take forever to write the inode table to a 80 gig sata drive ?
11:40<bike__>formating it to ext3
11:40<mjt>bike__: it's slow indeed.
11:40<mjt>(not that it *needs* to be slow)
11:41<bike__>formatted a 3.5" ide yeasterday and it didnt take thiiis long :S
11:41<bike__>ah it just likes being slow then
11:41<bike__>for my amusement kinda?
11:41<mjt>it performs many direct/unbuffered writes all over your 80gigs
11:42<bike__>go a load of these when yanking an image dd: reading `/dev/sda': Input/output error
11:42<monax>I have a problem when installing debian 5 (http://itmages.ru/view.php?action=view&id=9519&key=a5397d) then only a black screen and not what happens!
11:42<bike__>ah
11:42<mjt>bike__: that sounds like a problem really
11:43<bike__>mhm :S its a hd from a ps3 that didnt display xmb anymote
11:43<bike__>anymore
11:43<mjt>monax: did you try "install" instead of "installgui"?
11:44<monax>no
11:44<mjt>monax: it may fail to init your video card for some reason -- an issue which may be dealt with later.
11:45<monax>ok
11:45<monax>install ?
11:45<mjt>yeah?
11:45<bike__>omg my dmesg is so full of crap it scares me
11:45<monax>
11:45<monax>easy installation of the test mode
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11:46<monax>go try
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11:47<monax>thank you!
11:47<monax>bb
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11:48<bike__>heeeh the 80 gig ide said something like res 51/40:0f:f9:52:21/00:00:00:00:00/e1 Emask 0x9 (media error)
11:48<bike__>or ata1.00 what ever that is
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11:50<bike__>http://pastebin.ca/1555025
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12:11<wekt>cwood: a neo http://wiki.openmoko.org/ is what i would buy for music. There is no music oriented portable device with official GNU/Debian support.
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12:12<cwood>wekt: Thanks, I'll go look.
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12:17<wekt>FIC/OpenMoko has been excellent in 'openness'.
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12:28<Wunnymush>hi
12:29<Wunnymush>how do change keyboardlayout on login to another language in Debian?
12:29<cwood>dpkg-reconfigure console-data
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12:30<Wunnymush>thanks
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12:32<XAVeRY>are problems with UTF-8 consoles common in Debian? I'm having some when I connect to my Debian box with Putty.
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12:32<cwood>XAVeRY: It's possible that your local console doesn't understand some combination of terminal type and character encoding, perhaps?
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12:33<XAVeRY>perhaps.
12:33<cwood>I find at work I need to use xterm, because many of the work servers don't understand rxvt-uterm.
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12:40<XAVeRY>huh, found my problem - it was Putty, not Debian. sorry for bothering you.
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12:41<cwood>XAVeRY: what do you mean? What was the solution? (Being an occasional putty user.)
12:41<ufo>hi all. Has anyone sucessfully installed the Promise SATA300 TX4 on debian 2.6.18-6-686?
12:42<ufo>trying to compile the sources - no luck
12:42<XAVeRY>cwood: in Putty's settings, under Window->Translation, there's a "Treat CJK ambiguous characters as wide". I don't really know what it means, but it's turned on by default and turning it off did the trick.
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12:44<cwood>Probably some unicode-related thing where some characters can be two-bytes or wider than some other characters?
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12:45<XAVeRY>cwood: probably, yeah - actually, problems ocurred only with some characters (some Polish diacritical ones and line-drawing in midnight commander and aptitude, to be exact). I have to admit that it's kind of weird, though, since I've never had to turn this option off before - but on different distros. ;)
12:45*XAVeRY is a Debian virgin.
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12:46<ufo>can anyone help me with a kernel module for promise SATA300 TX4. Is this the correct room?
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12:46<XAVeRY>ufo: I think simply nobody has a clue - sorry.
12:47<ufo>cheers
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12:51<gsimmons>judd: pciid 105a:3d17 --release etch
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12:51<judd>gsimmons: [105a:3d17] is 'PDC40718 (SATA 300 TX4)' from 'Promise Technology, Inc.' with kernel module 'sata_promise' in etch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=105a:3d17
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12:52<gsimmons>ufo: There should not be any requirement to compile sources for support of your device in Etch.
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12:53<ufo>should it work out of the box? It's not listed in lspci
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12:53<XAVeRY>then it's not even detected by your system.
12:53<gsimmons>ufo: If it is not listed in lspci, you have a larger problem to solve.
12:54<ufo>Ok, i'll check that. Thx for infos
12:54<grummund>Hi, is there a way to 'ping' a mac address, or determine the ip address of a device attached to the local network?
12:55<cwood>grummund: arp
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12:55<grummund>cwood: yes i thought so... but looking at man arp i can't see how
12:56<cwood>grummund: ping by ip, then use "arp -a".
12:56<cwood>Well, that's what I do.
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12:56<grummund>hmm ok, that's what i did and it shows as incomplete
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12:57<davi>Is make the same than gmake in Debian?
12:57<cwood>The arp lookup? Did the ping complete?
12:57<grummund>i was wondering if there's any further check i can do (perhaps based on the mac)
12:57<xanonus>grummund: there is also arping (package arping)
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12:58<[machine]>grummond: arp-scan
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12:59<grummund>xanonus, [machine], thanks i will try that.
12:59<[machine]>sudo arp-scan -l -I <interface> will bring back a list of all alive ips on the local subnet with their MAC addresses
12:59<grummund>cwood: no response to ping
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13:00<cwood>At this point I'd personally walk over to the other device and check up on it, but that's just me. :p
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13:02<grummund>cwood: heh. it's right next to me ;p
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13:02<neowin>hello
13:02<grummund>i's an ipvideo box that seems to have stopped working ;-/
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13:04<neowin>how can i change permission in mounting harddrives?
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13:10<ufo>SATA: Silly me - had not plugged in correctly. Thanks for the hint. Works fine now.
13:10<noflash>neowin, man mount
13:11<XAVeRY>ufo ;)
13:11<neowin>ok, i would try that
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13:13<danu>hi
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13:15<Squelos>ml are you there. Thanks the new profile fixed the problem. it might be du to an addon
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13:18<ixmatrix>salve
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13:20<GortiZ>ciao ixmatrix
13:20<grummund>'arp-scan -l -I eth0' finds my server on the lan, but 'arping -i eth0 ...' has no response
13:20<GortiZ>hi dany
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13:23<ml|>Squelos: not really just passing by, but if you want to narrow it down, install each addon one at a time untill you find the culprit in the new profile or create another
13:23<Squelos>i got the one that was fucking it up :p
13:24<Squelos>probly not 100% compatible with this iceweasel version.
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13:24<ml|>!congratulate Squelos
13:24<dpkg>Nice one Squelos, you did it!
13:24<ml|>Squelos: what was it?
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13:26<Squelos>greasemonkey or something like that
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13:26<ml|>oh, don't use that ;)
13:27<Squelos>i dont know if its interfering with other addons, but once i deactivated it, the problem was gone.
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13:27<Squelos>yeah i never used it.
13:27<Squelos>just downloaded it to see.
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13:27<Squelos>firebug if great
13:27<Squelos>is
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13:28<ml|>well, glad you got it fixed :) l8r
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13:33<domedan>hello debian, what is the subject here?
13:33<noflash>domedan, debian
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13:34<nicolas>yaahahaa a aenfin reussi a me connecter :p
13:34<noflash>!en
13:34<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
13:34<domedan>lol xD ok, gotta say that debian rocks, installed it on my asus eee pc 900 :D works so good
13:34<bja>!fr
13:34<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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13:35<domedan>where'r you from noflash?
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14:01<wekt>More specifically, the subject here is 'debian technical support'. other topics are referred to #debian-offtopic
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14:06<abhinesh>Has anyone here tried & impletement EXT4 into your production environment? Is it bugfree?
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14:10<adb> /msg dpkg ext4
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14:12<bja>abhinesh: no it is not bug free and for production i wouldn't recommend it yet
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14:16<abhinesh>Would there be an improvent in terms of perfromance. I am reading on ext4 with improved fsck. Pls let meknow your experience/
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14:24<iceisfun>i just did a default debian install without configuring networking, and now I can't seem to get apt to get packages from a network mirror after my interface configuration
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14:25<domedan>can you install any packages from with apt?
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14:26<iceisfun>I was able to install ssh from cd source
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14:27<domedan>ok, i think you need to comment the cd source line in /etc/apt/source
14:27<iceisfun>I've done that
14:27<domedan>ok, have you done a #aptitude update?
14:27<bja>iceisfun: /sbin/ifconfig , do you have eth0 up and running?
14:27<iceisfun>yes the box is on the internet
14:27<iceisfun>I'm connected to it via ssh, and it can resolve dns names
14:28<domedan>have you done: apt-get update ?
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14:28<iceisfun>ok that did it
14:28<iceisfun>thanks
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14:30<domedan>ok. strange... im a bit drunk atm... wait
14:31<iceisfun>one more issue i have, 4 onboard nics. All of them show up, two are plugged into active switches but ethtool won't show a link on any but the first
14:31<iceisfun>Nics are all Marvell 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit
14:32<abhinesh>My current kernel revision is 2.6.27. Can I reverse it back to version 2.6.17. I am having issue s while installing XEN.
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14:33<adb>abhinesh, uname -r , says ?
14:33<abhinesh>Linux abhinesh-laptop 2.6.27-14-generic #1 SMP Fri Jul 24 23:49:25 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
14:34<adb>abhinesh, that's ubuntu ..
14:34<abhinesh>Y
14:34<adb> > /msg dpkg ubuntu
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14:43<domedan>back, i got no idea about those 2 questions, more beer!
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15:06<zen3>allo ppl.
15:06<zen3>can see me writing, right?
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15:07<bja>zen3: yes, you are writing bad english but we can see you
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15:22<fred_67_LeSeulLuniK>lol
15:22<fred_67_LeSeulLuniK>lol
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15:24<mjgoins>any conkeror users out there? I just tried it out, and it looks like their website is dead
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15:29<pervy>hi everyone
15:30<bja>hi
15:30<pervy>anyone there??
15:30<pervy>hi
15:30<pervy>where r u based?
15:30<Gun_Smoke>Behind a keyboard
15:31<pervy>lol
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15:31<Ganneff>pervy: do you have any debian question?
15:31<pervy>i mean country
15:31<bja>!ot
15:31<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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15:31<koffee>hi all
15:31<pervy>whatn is the topic?
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15:31<Tekla>quit talking about me .. i mean chaos :P
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15:32<koffee>should I be concerned that I see a few XKeepsCrashing in my ps, even though I connect fine into tightvncserver and use lxde?
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15:32<Tekla>ps?
15:33<koffee>process list
15:33<bja>Ganneff: Is it possible to have a general bug report to have any irc client on Debian have an external configuration package with #debian as default login?
15:33<Ganneff>it is possible, but i dont see the sense in such a bug as general
15:33<Tekla>i have no XKeepsCrashing and i'm connecting with tightvncviewer to realvnc server using kde4 :\
15:34<iceisfun>is anyone using the ASUS P5BV-C/4L motherboard?
15:34<Gun_Smoke>Lost sound.. alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device or address ? Where did I go wrong? Sid.
15:34<koffee>Tekla: is gdm running?
15:34<Tekla>it's asus p5b but i have no clue what the sub version is :)
15:35<iceisfun>the quad lan one?
15:35<bja>The only purpose would be to have it solved by the individual packagers of the irc clients, so the default configuration doesn't get cascaded into other distros
15:35<iceisfun>xeon 775
15:35<Tekla>koffee: i use kdm, gdm isn't even installed
15:35<Tekla>iceisfun: nah .. just 1 onboard NIC
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15:36<bja>Ganneff: or am i just asking for something totally wacky?
15:36<iceisfun>well my 1st onboard nic works fine, its the other 3 that don't work even though they show up
15:36<Tekla>could be broken
15:36<Ganneff>bja: then discuss it on -devel list and see if a mass bug (wishlist severity) is something other agree with
15:36<Tekla>i had to return my mobo for other reasons and the NIC on the broken one wasn't working either
15:36<bja>Ganneff: thx for your time
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15:37<koffee>is some *dm needed for the desktop environment?
15:37<Tekla>no
15:37<iceisfun>well this all worked fine in CentOS
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15:38<iceisfun>I just changed the machine to Debian and added a hw raid card with a bunch of disks
15:38<Tekla>k/g dm is just a GUI logon
15:38<dendix>great Antix
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15:38<dendix>:D
15:38<Tekla>iceisfun: well then all i can guess is driver ...
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15:39<Tekla>are they identical NICs?
15:39<iceisfun>it must be, its the sky2 which i've know to have trouble
15:39<iceisfun>yea
15:39<Tekla>hmm
15:39<iceisfun>all onboard same model in lspci
15:39<Tekla>then i can't help :)
15:39<iceisfun>its ok ill ask again later today
15:39*Tekla is just another concerned user ... no tech guru ata ll
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15:40<fred_67_LeSeulLuniK>lol
15:40*fred_67_LeSeulLuniK m
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15:40<iceisfun>its wierd how every debian machine I install on modern motherboards has nic problems
15:41<Tekla>which kernel do you use?
15:41<iceisfun>built a asus ASUS Z8PE-D12 dual xeon box with 24gb of ram and no nics
15:41<iceisfun>2.6.26-2-amd64
15:41<iceisfun>is there a easy upgrade path?
15:42<koffee>Tekla: thanks! I turned off init.d/gdm, and everything seems to work but with a trimmer process list
15:42<Tekla>:)
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15:43<Tekla>koffee: if you want X on local access you'll have to login on the shell and use "startx"
15:43<koffee>headless remote machine... don't need it
15:44<koffee>just ssh and vnc over the net
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15:44<Tekla>well i do have a monitor & keyboard on mine but it's a dual access monitor and i use my linux via vnc & ssh most of the time only too :)
15:45<koffee>this box is a "managed" server... they set it up for me... now I'm trying to set it up right :)
15:46<Tekla>my problem is with another box ... it's rather far away and i only have KVM access ... a recent mobo change fucked it up (i had ppl change it)
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15:46<Tekla>it only has a raid in it with a 3something controller (hw raid)
15:46<koffee>alas, I'm a long-time win-admin, and lean more towards the newbie end of the scale for *nix
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15:46<Tekla>and even tho grub loads fine the /dev/sda links don't get made during boot :(
15:46<iceisfun>3something? like 3ware? they make some good stuff
15:47<Tekla>yes ..3ware :)
15:47<iceisfun>I have been havingthe best luck with the Areca SAS controllers
15:47<iceisfun>a little expensive but I have two and one runs 21TB and the other 25TB and both work flawless in linux
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15:47<Tekla>it was working fine with old mobo
15:47<Tekla>with a p4 3ghz
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15:48<Tekla>but new mobo has a quadcore
15:48<Tekla>considering i have a general kernel installed not compiled by myself i would assume it should work with new HW
15:48<Tekla>but it doesn't :9
15:48<Tekla>any ideas?
15:49<iceisfun>do you know what model the controller is?
15:49<Tekla>i'll paste .. just a moment :)
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15:51<Tekla>or i won't :s
15:51<Tekla>kvm was removed
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15:51<iceisfun>and you've looked on the 3ware site for drivers?
15:51<Niluge_KiWi>Hi, I'm trying to build a squeeze x86-64 usb key, with lh_build, but a package is broken (libsepol1), the fix exists, but the new version is not yet in the FTPs. How could I force lh to use the package to which I applied the patch?
15:52<Tekla>well it was working with the same kernel with the other mobo
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15:52<iceisfun>i wonder if it shows up in lspci
15:52<Tekla>and during boot i can see it finding both disks
15:52<Tekla>creating the raid
15:52<iceisfun>but nothing in /dev?
15:52<Tekla>nope
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15:53<Tekla>there's just /dev/hda which is the cdrom
15:53<iceisfun>no /dev/sd?
15:54<Tekla>none
15:54<iceisfun>well what does your boot drive show up as if there is no /dev/sd?
15:54<Tekla>i sms'ed my contact to get the kvm fixed
15:54<Tekla>no
15:55<Tekla>when i boot in single i get a initramfs prompt
15:55<Tekla>and there're no drives at all in /dev
15:56<Tekla>also .. this box has a fedora install on another partition .. that doesn't work either with new mobo
15:56<iceisfun>it would be interesting to know the controller model number
15:56<Tekla>i will find out and tell you :)
15:57<iceisfun>although i can say the only hardware controllers i use are perc4/5i and Areca on linux
15:57<iceisfun>and I've never had to do anything special
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16:12<Lektron>how do i determine dependencies on a particular package? iow, if i remove package X, what other packages will now be broken due to the removal of X?
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16:12<Tekla>apt-cache show <packagename> i think that'll show you dependencies
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16:13<Tekla>or you could just issue apt-get remove and what ever else it wants to remove those depend on it :)
16:13<Tekla>just make sure to say NO when asked
16:13<locklace>Lektron: "apt-cache rdepends package". see also "aptitude -s remove package"
16:13<Tekla>:)
16:13*Tekla shuts up
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16:16<koffee>i'm the only ftp user on my box - is it worth it to replace vsftpd with proftpd?
16:16<cesurasean>I've never used vsftpd, but I use proftpd. :)
16:17<cesurasean>and it's really easy to setup.
16:17<Tekla>or you could just use sftp...
16:17<Tekla>part of ssh afaik
16:17<Lektron>locklace, Tekla: thanks
16:17<cesurasean>you should probably get rid of ftp, if you are the only user.
16:17<cesurasean>and just use ssh.
16:17<cesurasean>yeah, I would get rid of the ftp server, for security, and just use sftp.
16:17<Tekla>Lektron: :D
16:17<koffee>all I know of ssh is putty
16:18<cesurasean>koffee, download WinSCP.
16:18<koffee>I have that
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16:18<cesurasean>and remove vsftpd.
16:18<cesurasean>use sftp instead of ftp. much safer. especially if you are the only user.
16:19<cesurasean>use WinSCP to connect via sftp.
16:19<cesurasean>;)
16:19<koffee>so I'm gonna set sftp in WinSCP... got it... but I need to set up or turn on sftp on the box?
16:19<cesurasean>putty is for command line.
16:19<cesurasean>nah, sftp is using ssh.
16:19<cesurasean>putty is just command line ssh
16:20<cesurasean>WinSCP is like using ftp.
16:20<cesurasean>through ssh
16:20<koffee>I know... putty=cli... do it all the time... but that is the limit of my knowledge about ssh
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16:21<cesurasean>ssh is much more secure than ftp, so you might as well remove that ftp server program.
16:21<koffee>oh... so I don't have to do anything on the linux box... just set WinSCP to sftp and it works
16:21<cesurasean>WinSCP will give you the option of connecting via ftp, or via sftp.
16:21<cesurasean>yes.
16:21<koffee>well, not do onything on debian other than turn off vsftp that is
16:21<bja>koffee: http://www.openssh.org
16:22<cesurasean>when you first connect to the linux box, it will ask you yes or no the first time,
16:22<cesurasean>say yes to the key
16:22<koffee>that was easy
16:22<cesurasean>yeah
16:22<cesurasean>;)
16:22<cesurasean>so go ahead and get rid of that port 21
16:23<koffee>an i'm using ufw with a deny default... just opening stuff as needed
16:23<cesurasean>I only use proftpd because I have webhosting user's, and I don't give them shell access.
16:23<koffee>got my home ip specifically listed
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16:24<koffee>so if I ever wanted to give someone else ftp access, I look into proftpd... but as long as it is just me, turn off any/all ftpd and use ssh... got it
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16:24<cesurasean>yeah, or you can create a new user and give someone ssh access.
16:25<Tekla>or if you give them shell access too they can use sftp as well
16:25<cesurasean>you don't have to use ftp.
16:25<cesurasean>yeah
16:25<koffee>an I have a ufw limit on ssh... this shouldn't mess with that, no?
16:25<cesurasean>I'm running a webhosting business, and most people are use to ftp, so I kinda need it as part of my business, though it's not very secure.
16:25<locklace>koffee: did you just say "listed" when referring to your internet protocol address
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16:26<koffee>bad term, locklace
16:26<koffee>I mean I have ufw specifically allow my home ip
16:26<koffee>my ip is not "listed" anywhere
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16:27<Tekla>mine prolly is .. on the dynamic dns servers page :)
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16:28<koffee>ufw allow from <my.ip> to any
16:28<cahoot>isn't ufw an ubuntu thing?
16:28<Tekla>i use arno
16:28<koffee>I dunno... seems to work
16:29<koffee>but if something is better for debian, by all means recommend it to me
16:29<Tekla>yeah... don't try to fix it :)
16:29<koffee>as I said, I lean towards newbie
16:29<Tekla>just a basic truth .. if it worx, hands off!
16:29<cesurasean>lol
16:30<cahoot>koffee: you're sure you even need a fw?
16:30<Tekla>fw is always good
16:30<cahoot>really?
16:30<koffee>that will limit port 22 attempts, and block vnc access to anyone not from my ip
16:30<locklace>koffee: ferm is good
16:30<koffee>is that not good?
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16:31<Tekla>we don't need any more hacked boxes in the hands of script kiddies
16:31<cesurasean>thank god. I needed a mentor. :)
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16:35<koffee>Tekla: arno is just a front-end to iptables, right? That's all ufw is too. So, I think I'll stick with it... I don't have long, complex lists of rules... just limit to my ip, and then open a couple other ports
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16:36<Tekla>yes
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16:36<koffee>so like you said, if it ain'
16:36<koffee>er
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16:36<koffee>if it ain't broke...
16:36<Tekla>exactly
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16:38<K4>Hi! Is there a way to automate dpkg-reconfigure? For example, to let one do "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config --enable-bitmap=yes" without showing dialogs?
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16:39<Tekla>no idea sorry :\ man
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16:41<ben_>something new here?
16:41<ben_>obviously not
16:41<ben_>bye
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16:42<Tekla>lol
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16:51<voipzapperw>is there a wine channel around somewhere?
16:51<voipzapperw>heh heh. that sounds funny. a "wine channel"
16:51<voipzapperw>like the food network, only drunk
16:52<koffee>.join #PinotNoir
16:52<Nemoder>!wine
16:52<dpkg>[wine] Wine Is Not an Emulator, an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs. Packaged for Debian. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . The beta Wine packages from lamaresh.net are _not_ supported in #debian. http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ http://www.winehq.org/ #winehq on irc.freenode.net.
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16:53<voipzapperw>thx
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16:54<koffee>I'm real close to being able to unistall wine, in part thanks to help I've received in this channel
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17:00<koffee>well, thanks all... think I can move the slider one more tik away from newbie today
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18:04<tmc>hi
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18:04<tmc>hi
18:04<carles>hi
18:05<tmc>wats happening in the debian world
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18:08<mexican_vorel>hola... gente
18:08<carles>algun canal de debian en español???
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18:08<mexican_vorel>aqui todos hablan ingles??
18:09<carles>eso parece mexican_vorel
18:09<mexican_vorel>a bueno
18:09<ml|>!es
18:09<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:10<mexican_vorel>thanks
18:10<carles>dpkg thank you!!!
18:10<dpkg>carles: pas de quoi
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18:24<nigromante>hola atodos
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18:25<nigromante>hola
18:25<adb>nigromante, Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
18:26<voipzapperw>anyone have much experience with wine?
18:26<voipzapperw>not any traffic in #winehp
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18:26<voipzapperw>tried to install utorrent.exe using wine and the install's all wonky
18:27<rwilco227>this isn't specifically a debian question but hoping you folks can help me. I'm trying to cross compile an application for an embedded platform. The application(php 5.2.8) works my only problem is its not finding the necessary shared libraries unless i use LD_LIBRARY_PATH when executing the application. I've tried using LD_RUN_PATH=/path/to/libs and LD_FLAGS="-r/path/to/libs" and neither is effecting where the runtime linker looks fo
18:27<voipzapperw>someone in #bittorrent specifically suggested using the two
18:27<rwilco227>anyone know another way i can setup an executable(at compile/link time) so that the dynamic linker will look in a specific directory for the shared libs?
18:28<rwilco227>if it matters the embedded platform is linux-mips-uclibc
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18:29<iceisfun>Does anyone here use the ASUS P5BV-C/4L quad lan motherboard with debian
18:29<rwilco227>worst case scenario i can create symlinks in /lib to point to all the libraries but that seems like an ugly hac
18:29<rwilco227>s/hac/hack
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18:30<adb>iceisfun, just asked that some time ago ..
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18:31<iceisfun>Yea I am hoping someone who uses it came online
18:31<adb>iceisfun, try later
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18:33<rwilco227>anyone have suggetions for a better chatroom for compile/linking type questions?
18:33<adb>iceisfun >#hardware on irc.freenode.net
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18:33<iceisfun>ok, i will try that
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18:38<K4>Hi. Does anyone use hal-cups-utils to autoconfigure USB printers?
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18:40<K4>I have a problem with it. I installed hal-cups-utils in Lenny, then openprinting-ppds from Squeeze. The printer is Brother MFC-640CW, it is not recognized by hal_lpadmin as Brother printer.
18:41<K4>It is recognized as "Unknown"
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18:46<jmarsden>K4: Perhaps the info at http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Brother-MFC-640-cw will help?
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18:48<K4>jmarsden: But I've installed Brother drivers from Ubuntu: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=brother , it contains PPD files, so I thought that it will be supported?
18:49<K4>I installed all that packages: -ac, -extra, -laser etc.
18:49<K4>Maybe CUPS (?) didn't find that PPD files?
18:49<jmarsden>K4: I don't know about that. This is #debian, btw, not #ubuntu :)
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18:50<sylar>anyone knows if when I compile the kernel package after a small patch, will it get a subversion, that will not overrun my current kernel?
18:51<K4>jmarsden: Ok, is there a way to determine if CUPS found that PPD files, and can configure Brother printers?
18:54<Gun_Smoke>Funny printing is being brought up.. I just purchased a HP6500. I think it was built for Debian.. lol.
18:54<sylar>K4, there is ppd folder at /etc/cups
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18:55<adb>/usr/share/ppd..
18:55<K4>sylar: nope, it contains PPD files only for configured printers. I'd like know if the connected printer could be configured at all
18:56<K4>Maybe CUPS cannot configure my Brother printer because it didn't find PPD files from Ubuntu packages
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18:57<adb>K4, go ask #Ubuntu
18:57<sylar>K4, you could get the drivers for windows, and look for a PPD in there,maybe they have a ps driver or mac osx driver
18:57<sylar>K4, I found PPDs that way a few times
18:57<adb>sylar, go with K4 too
18:58<sylar>?
18:58<adb>sylar, get help in #Ubuntu
18:59<sylar>adb, why?
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19:00<K4>adb: What is the difference? Ubuntu has the same .deb packages as Debian, and the same CUPS
19:01<K4>adb: If this doesn't work in Debian it won't in Ubuntu
19:01<adb>K4, /msg dpkg ubuntu
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19:03<K4>adb: and #ubuntu people will tell me to go to #debian? :)
19:04<adb>K4, using debian ?
19:04<K4>adb: it is not Ubuntu-specific task to know if CUPS can configure printer
19:04<K4>adb: As I already said, I'm on Lenny
19:04<adb>ok
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19:07<K4>Yeah, I found some PPD files under /usr/share/ppd/Brother/, it doesn't seem to contain 630cw entry, only 630cd. Maybe this is the problem...
19:07<K4>*640cw*
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19:08<TSL>hi
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19:16<naXis>hello, have som big problems with installing madwifi...
19:16<naXis>i used this one; http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian/MadWifi
19:16<naXis>and when i run m-a a-i madwifi i got some errors, http://hybel.dyndns.org/madwifi-source.buildlog.2.6.31-020631rc8-generic.1252186429 --> log..
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19:23<KangarooBox>OK, I think I have found my Dell1650 server hang problem.
19:23<KangarooBox>Does anyone know what APIC does?
19:24<jpinx-eeepc>KangarooBox: controls hardware I think
19:24<KangarooBox>Apparently, my BIOS does not get along with Squeeze's APIC driver and the box just randomly hangs.
19:24<jpinx-eeepc>KangarooBox: don't run squeeze then ;)
19:24<KangarooBox>So I've added the noapic flag to the Grub kernel line to see if that helps.
19:24<KangarooBox>jpinx-eeepc: :)
19:24<jpinx-eeepc>on a server you should be running lenny and maybe backports
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19:25<KangarooBox>At least I didn't get the "MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC" error on bootup this time. :)
19:25<adb>jpinx-eeepc, only lenny
19:26<jpinx-eeepc>adb: why? I use backports on my public server
19:26<KangarooBox>jpinx-eeepc: Yes, yes I know that Squeeze is testing, but generally testing on Debian is like stable on most other distros. :)
19:26<KangarooBox>Besides, I'm doing Ruby on Rails development and Debian is already pretty behind when it comes to that. Even on Lenny. :P
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19:26<jpinx-eeepc>KangarooBox: that is not a good comparison since debian is head-and-shoulders above all the rest ;)
19:27<KangarooBox>True dat!
19:27<jpinx-eeepc>dunno about ruby dude - you're on your own there ;)
19:27<KangarooBox>Anyway, let's just hope that turning off APIC solved my problem.
19:27<KangarooBox>...and didn't create any new ones.
19:28<KangarooBox>If this was my box (and not on loan from a friend) I would flash the BIOS to the latest version. Right now its on A05 and the latest is A11. Wow!
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19:29<vook>KangarooBox: flash that BIOS - do a friend a favor
19:29<KangarooBox>vook: Yea, they won't know!
19:29<KangarooBox>Hmm....I probably could as they are not really using this box anyway...
19:29*vook knows well that when a Dell bios is stale or bad, it's really bad
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19:30<jpinx-eeepc>there ya go KangarooBox - it's stale *and* bad :p
19:30<KangarooBox>Yea, but Dell makes it so *darn* hard to flash the BIOS. You have to download a floppy image .exe, run it on a Windows box (or WINE), find a MSDOS boot disk, etc. etc. etc.
19:30<jpinx-eeepc>Eeewwwwwwwww
19:31<KangarooBox>jpinx-eeepc: Yea, my thoughts exactly.
19:31<vook>KangarooBox: you need a winpe
19:31<KangarooBox>Hell, my Ubuntu desktop machine doesn't even *have* a floppy drive. I'm not even sure I have a floppy disk anywhere in the office! Blech!
19:32<KangarooBox>I wonder if I could boot off a USB thumb drive with FreeDOS on it...
19:32<KangarooBox>Hmm....
19:32<vook>http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/
19:33<KangarooBox>vook: yea, but you have to have Windows in order to build a BartPE disk. :(
19:33<jpinx-eeepc>KangarooBox: XP on a vbox?
19:33<vook>ya, it's a crying shame
19:33<jpinx-eeepc>but you'll need a floppydrive
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19:34<KangarooBox>Yea, and my MacBook Pro doesn't have one either. Wow, I never realized that I would still be so dependent on a stinking floppy drive.
19:34<KangarooBox>Oh well. I'm sure I'll find a way. :)
19:34<KangarooBox>Thanx! L8r.
19:34<jpinx-eeepc>welcome to the 21st century :)
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19:36<naXis>i tried to install madwifi, http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian/MadWifi
19:36<naXis>and when i run m-a a-i madwifi i got some errors, http://hybel.dyndns.org/madwifi-source.buildlog.2.6.31-020631rc8-generic.1252186429 --> log..
19:36<naXis>any ideas?
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19:47<KangarooBox>Damn, it froze again. It looks like I'm gonna have to flash the BIOS anyway.
19:47<KangarooBox>I am flash man!
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19:53<voipzapperw>ok. i appear to have a semi-big problem
19:53<voipzapperw>i didn't know using root is dangerous
19:53<voipzapperw>i installed wine and utorrent.exe in it while as root
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19:53<voipzapperw>someone else just told me i am in trouble
19:53<voipzapperw>was using root to mess with wireshark and the various interfaces
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19:53<voipzapperw>suggestions?
19:54-!-carles [~carles@38.Red-83-35-234.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
19:54<voipzapperw>do i need to scrap this machine and format and reinstall? i can...
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19:57<KangarooBox>voipzapperw: Using root is certainly dangerous and not encouraged but it isn't inherently bad. It doesn't cause stuff to fall off or anything like that.
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19:57<voipzapperw>KangarooBox: well, i didn't think so.
19:57<voipzapperw>i wouldn't even be using root except for wireshark
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19:58<voipzapperw>and i was only installing wine so i could use windoze utorrent
19:58<voipzapperw>i can scrap this box and start over if that is easy
19:58<voipzapperw>only using the newly created box to dx voip boxes and have nothing of import on it
19:59<edju>anyone with a good pointer for resolvconf syntax? the man page is gibberish.
19:59<adb>nameserver 192.168.1.1
20:00<adb>domain domainname
20:00<adb>search domainname
20:00<edju>I mean the prog resolvconf, not the file resolv.conf.
20:02<adb>prog resolvconf on client ?
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20:03<lwm>is anyone else seeing a lot of updates in lenny? there is nothing in debian.org/security or the debian-security-announce
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20:03<jpinx-eeepc>lwm: are you going to 5.0.3?
20:04<lwm>did that just happen?
20:04<jpinx-eeepc>there's a latest version with security updates
20:04<jpinx-eeepc>yep
20:04<lwm>why isn't in the lists?
20:04<lwm>*isnt't it
20:04<jpinx-eeepc>dunno -I found out here
20:04<themill>lwm: d-d-a has an announcement for lennyr3
20:05<themill>!lennyr3
20:05<dpkg>Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 was released on September 4th, 2009. This update corrects security problems within the <stable> release, along with adjustments for serious problems. Support for the Intel 82574L and Broadcom NetXtreme II 10Gb Ethernet controllers is introduced (for the latter, see <bnx2x>). http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090905 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>.
20:06<lwm>thank you themill, jpinx-eeepc
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20:08<themill>lwm: no worries. You might like to subscribe to debian-announce.
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20:25<vook>is there an option I can enable in man so that when I press 'q', the terminal retains the information last viewed ?
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20:27<vook>eh, probably need to change the pager
20:28<vook>yay! export MANPAGER=more
20:29<goodger>hello; how do I change my screen resolution (reset to 1024x786 by a misbehaving WINE application) back to normal without using GNOME's "Display" applet, which fails to do anything while throwing a freedesktop-related error?
20:30<vook>!xvidtune
20:30<dpkg>hmm... xvidtune is for tweaking your modeline timeings. This will prevent adjusting your monitor every time the mode changes.
20:30<amphi>goodger: xrandr ?
20:31<goodger>amphi, that's the one~
20:31<vook>thanks amphi
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20:34<goodger>xvidtune displays but does not alter the resolution
20:41<goodger>to be precise, amphi, `Method "ApplyConfiguration" with signature "" on interface "org.gnome.SettingsDaemon.XRANDR" doesn't exist'
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20:42<amphi>dbus?
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20:43<goodger>dbus is installed and apparently running...
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20:45<vook>xvidtune in some configurations is able to alter the resolution (using the "next" and "prev")
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20:46<amphi>the gnome thing sent it something incomprehensible/null by the look of it
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20:48<goodger>vook, next and prev aren't doing anything at all
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20:50<vook>goodger: yes - those functions are somewhat deprecated. I gave advice relevant for another time :) xrandr, as mentioned by amphi, was a superior answer indeed.
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20:51<goodger>oh, I didn't know it was an actual command >_>
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20:53<vook>just months ago I used xvidtune often, clicking prev>prev>prev to zoom. It no longer works here either.
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21:00<goodger>well, having read quite a lot of documentation on xrandr, I have absolutely no idea how to use it
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21:01<goodger>it's probably simpler to log out and in than it is to decipher this program
21:02<goodger>does this strike anyone as a bad thing?
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21:28<raboof>goodger: you just want to switch resolutions?
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21:30<raboof>goodger: often I do 'man xrandr' and just skip to the examples section, which tells me i can switch resolutions with 'xrandr --output <output> --mode <mode>'
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22:02<goodger>raboof, the issue is more with deciding what to put where you've put "<output>" and "<mode>"
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22:24<bike>we need more ufos
22:24<bike>tho one could hover outside my window and unless he said hello and knocked on my window i woudlnt know he's there
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22:25<abrotman>bike: i think you want #debian-offtopic
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22:26<bike>no i saw a guy in here named ufo
22:26<bike>figured you were all a part of it
22:26<bike>....
22:27<bike>sorry tho, off.topic seems to be full :D im already there
22:27<bike>and this place seems to be si-dead
22:27<bike>figured id make some racket noise
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22:30<abrotman>bike: i think you want #debian-offtopic
22:30<bike>mr.ufo is right tho, there are unidentified flying objects, we just dont know what they are.... hey gimme a min , im hunting for my last pastebin post
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22:31<bike>you didnt seem to talkative then, why the sudden spur of activity
22:33<bike>if your really wan "off topic" why dont you wanser this http://pastebin.ca/1555025
22:33<bike>which is on topic
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22:33<abrotman>that's not even a question .. that's a log
22:34<bike>it was a question earlier
22:34<bike>now its not
22:34<bike>its answe
22:34<bike>answe
22:34<bike>r
22:34<bike>baah
22:34<bike>bloody keyboard
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22:36<bike>abrotman, were about as exciting as a bunch of maturing potato's here, and theres about as much happening here as a bunch of growing potatoes
22:37<abrotman>that's doesn't mean you get to spew nonsense .. if you odn't have a Debian question, just keep quiet
22:37<bike>we might as well have a conversation
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22:38<bike>oook, how do install debian 68k on a sfs partitioned amiga
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22:40<bike>if you dont wanna do small talk while we wait for some questions then fine, dont, but what do you suggest we do mean time
22:40<abrotman>just please be quiet
22:41<bike>no thanks
22:41<bike>being too quiet aint good for you
22:42<bike>now wheres the anser to my 68k question, why do you reply without an answer :d
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22:43<abrotman>ask the m68k people .. it's pretty old hardware .. i'm not even sure they would know, but there is a #debian-68k
22:44<bike>no im gonna shut up sure, but all we got here is a bunch of quits and joins, might as well make bloody conversation while it lasts
22:44<bike>im already there
22:44<abrotman>then wait for your answer
22:44<bike>you dont like conversation ?
22:44<bike>its not old hardware
22:44<bike>see freescale
22:44<abrotman>bike: i told you twice already to go to #debian-offtopic for general conversation, this channel is for support
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22:46<vook>bike: here's a hint (/ignore -channels * #debian PARTS QUITS NICKS JOINS)
22:46<bike>i support this channel all i can, i dont see anyone but me asking questions here. off topic is for off topic, and i've been informed before that if there isnt squat going on here that we can chat here..
22:46<bike>thanks but.
22:46<abrotman>no, that's not true
22:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 360] by debhelper
22:47<abrotman>whoever told you that was wrong
22:47<bike>so was my bitch who cares
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22:47-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@ti0122a340-dhcp0426.bb.online.no] by abrotman
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22:48<abrotman>bike: you've been silenced for 10 minutes, please keep it on-topic here and use #debian-offtopic for your general chatter
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23:07<bike>ok, abrotman, im sorry
23:07<bike>mr*
23:09<bike>but its still been minutes without chatter here and theres 342 people here,i only thought saying something might spur something out of the 340 ( me - the bot ) would do something
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23:58<codigo>hola
23:59<codigo>hello
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