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---Logopened Mon Sep 07 00:00:05 2009
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00:00<rudepeople>twb: LAP TOP
00:00<twb>chealer: what about it?
00:00<rudepeople>I have a laptop, as far as I know there is no such thing as a matrox laptop gpu.
00:00<twb>rudepeople: correct; there are intel GPUs in laptops, however.
00:01<rudepeople>also, having worked OEM for a Matrox partner, I am VERY aware of how "distro friendly" Matrox ISNT
00:01<rudepeople>*sigh.
00:01<twb>rudepeople: I was speaking specifically of their GPUs.
00:02<rudepeople>twb, it appears you would be the little toya boy of the channel. please stop speaking.
00:02<twb>rudepeople: if you have a problem with what I'm saying, /ignore me, or take it up with the ops.
00:03<rudepeople>does anyone have a link to a howto for installing the nvidia module that actually works. I'm running squeeze
00:05<ml|>rudepeople: follow the wiki, but install sid versions of what the tells you too nvidia wise and it will work
00:05<rudepeople>and to everyone else in the channel, sorry for being so curt, I find it difficult to stay civil when the "helpers" preface their answers with insults.
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00:05<ml|>that nvidia stuff has not made it into testing yet
00:06<rudepeople>ml|: thank you for the suggestion, but I don't wish to use sid components.
00:06<ml|>ok, good luck
00:06<rudepeople>I guess I'll just have to wait.
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00:07<ml|>rudepeople: but they will make into testing there is no harm if you do it right, but do what you like
00:11<rudepeople>question: why has no one out there built a .deb to install the nvidia driver in debian? almost every distro out there has done this... or had it done anyway.
00:12<rudepeople>debian seems to be the only one with such perterbations in this reguard... heck even debian's CHILD distro's have done it (Ubuntu, mint, etc.)
00:12<sney>because of the non-free thing
00:13<ml|>because it's not free?
00:14<sney>the module-assistant solution works more often anyway AND takes nvidia's proprietary garbage mostly out of the testing pipeline
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00:14<sney>so you can have the latest FORCE WEARS without waiting for it to roll through sid
00:14<rudepeople>I get that... but like I said, every other distro has found ways arround it... Fedora has Livna (3rd party repo with non-free crap) Suse, HAS nvidia. and Mint has the drivers in a "private repo" that installs on the sly.
00:14<sney>there may well be private repos for debian as well
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00:14<sney>I wouldn't be super shocked
00:15<sney>but I don't know there they are, either
00:15<rudepeople>My only problem with module assistant is I have to rerun the command every major update... with a self contained package this wouldn't be the case.
00:15<ml|>heh
00:15<rudepeople>that's all.
00:15<ml|>don't use it, use nv ;)
00:15<rudepeople>I'd use nv if it didn't suck so hard.
00:16<rudepeople>I likes my regnum! :P
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00:16<rudepeople>well the module assistant has been hacking away for a few minutes now... does it usually take this long?
00:17<sney>depends on cpu speed etc
00:17<ml|>well, then use another distro that is more lax
00:17<sney>if it fails you'll know, it doesn't just break silently
00:17<rudepeople>ah... My little lappy isn't the fastest by far, but it holds it's own... used to be the best in class!
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00:17<rudepeople>XPS m1210
00:18<rudepeople>ml|: I tried, I really tried.
00:18<ml|>rudepeople: ?
00:18<rudepeople>I LITERALLY have tried every distro out there... I keep comeing back to debian because it sucks the least.
00:19<rudepeople>the only REAL problem I have is this nvidia thing
00:19<ml|>right, not so bad to use m-a after a new kernel then :)
00:19<sney>maybe it has something to do with not trying to do quality control for proprietary drivers ;D
00:19<twb>The worst thing about gnewsense is the new spelling of their name ;-P
00:20<rudepeople>oh, it's quality control issues alright! but not just nvidia.
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00:20<rudepeople>bah build failed.
00:21<sney>pastebin the error
00:21<ml|>rudepeople: how did you try?
00:21<rudepeople>sney: hang on...
00:22<rudepeople>ok, how do I export the module assistant error?
00:22<sney>it spits it out to a log somewhere
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00:22<rudepeople>'k... where's the log?
00:22<sney>I don't remember where, unfortunately, but it's probably in /var
00:22<ml|> /var/log/modmass i think
00:23<Hideo>no, /var/cache/modass
00:23<ml|>right ;)
00:23<Hideo>funny name, modass =P
00:23<ml|>yes it has an ass ;)
00:24<ml|>lumpy but has one ;)
00:24<Hideo>hehe
00:25<rudepeople>k, got the log... and pastebin is installed, but I have never used it before... how do I...
00:25<ml|>pastebin -i file -a rudepeople
00:25<ml|>*pastebinit
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00:26<rudepeople>http://pastebin.com/f18a2e396
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00:29<rudepeople>any ideas?
00:29<ml|>rudepeople: using testing's nvidia stuff?
00:29<rudepeople>yes... let me guess... sid?
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00:31<ml|>rudepeople: yes, but don't do if you want nvidia drivers to work for you now, good luck
00:32<sney>that looks like the headers bug that I ran into
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00:32<rudepeople>ml|: I don't care WHAT driver I use anymore... is there a simple fix for this? or am I just borked?
00:33<Hideo>rudepeople: the ones in sid work fine
00:33<ml|>rudepeople: follow the wiki but use sid nvidia stuff
00:33<Hideo>rudepeople: make sure you clean up first though
00:33<ml|>dpkg: tum
00:33<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
00:33<ml|>rudepeople: ^^^^ do that first
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00:36<rudepeople>ml|: am I JUST installing foo from sid?
00:37<rudepeople>ok, I'm confused... and I think I took the last msg too literally...
00:39<rudepeople>ok, I'm having troubles finding a list of packages I will need from sid... any suggestions?
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00:40<ml|>rudepeople: no, follow the above then follow the wiki page and where you need nvidia stuff to install use aptitude install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-source for example
00:40<ml|>rudepeople: very import to follow the above
00:40<ml|>*important
00:41<xeon-enouf>ml|: what is 'tum' supposed to stand for?
00:42<xeon-enouf>ml|: i made a silly named factoid, because i didn;t know what to call it
00:42<ml|>testing unstable mix, tum
00:43<xeon-enouf>ml|: ahh ok - makes sense then - check this ;-)
00:43<xeon-enouf>!walot
00:43<dpkg>rumour has it, walot is please at least pastebin the output of ls -l /dev/disk/by-* ; fdisk -l ; df -hT ; cat /proc/partitions ; cat /proc/mounts ; and blkid ; If you're paranoid, no need to show correct UUIDs, alter them or something.
00:44<xeon-enouf>walot == what a lot of things (or something)
00:44<xeon-enouf>!factinfo walot
00:44<dpkg>walot -- created by enouf <n=enouf@ool-44c669aa.dyn.optonline.net> at Sat May 23 13:02:07 2009 (106 days); it has been requested 14 times, last by xeon-enouf, 33s ago.
00:45<ml|>xeon-enouf: does not make sense, need to add why you are doing the above
00:45<xeon-enouf>dpkg: ssm
00:45<dpkg>no idea, xeon-enouf
00:45<xeon-enouf>dpkg: ssm is reply see tum
00:45<dpkg>okay, xeon-enouf
00:45<ml|>ssm?
00:45<xeon-enouf>ssm == squeeze sid mix :-P
00:45<ml|>haha
00:45<xeon-enouf>needs to be updated .. occassionally ;-)
00:45<ml|>does nothing ;)
00:46<ml|>needs <>
00:46<ml|>see <tum>
00:46<xeon-enouf>oh fuck - right
00:46<xeon-enouf>dpkg: forget ssm
00:46<dpkg>i forgot ssm, xeon-enouf
00:47<xeon-enouf>dpkg: ssm is <reply> see tum
00:47<dpkg>okay, xeon-enouf
00:47<ml|>got it :)
00:47<ml|>xeon-enouf: not bad at all :)
00:48<ml|>but the walot needs help
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00:50<cahalan>E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on debconf
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00:51<xeon-enouf>ml|: when i created it i asked if anyone would care to name it more appropriately - .. diskinfo, mountinfo?
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00:53<SnakDoc>whats the biggest difference between debian and ubuntu ?
00:53<ml|>xeon-enouf: i'm trying to think of one, diskinfo does not sound bad at all
00:53<ml|>SnakDoc: /msg dpkg ubuntu and based on debian
00:54<ml|>then ask in #ubuntu on freenode, not here
00:55<xeon-enouf>SnakDoc: they steal from us :-P
00:55<SnakDoc>so you can't say difference in distros ?
00:56<xeon-enouf>!why debian
00:56<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
00:56<SnakDoc>ok i can accept that ans then
00:56<ml|>xeon-enouf: ah forgot that one
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00:57<SnakDoc>thanks i read just was woundering i am running ubuntu 9.04 now with xfce4 and just was woundering difference between this and debian
01:01<SnakDoc>are there any apps/hardware that would work in ubuntu that wouldn't in debian
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01:01<sney>sometimes ubuntu takes shortcuts around morality issues that makes it easier to set up stuff like newer video cards
01:02<sney>but technically, anything that is supported by the linux kernel can be made to work under any distro. and the debian support network is much better :)
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01:05<SnakDoc>just woundering what kernel is debian newest at moment ?
01:06<Hideo>judd: linux-image-686
01:06<judd>Hideo: Error: "linux-image-686" is not a valid command.
01:07<Hideo>judd: versionslinux-image-686
01:07<judd>Hideo: Error: "versionslinux-image-686" is not a valid command.
01:07<Hideo>judd: versions linux-image-686
01:07<judd>Hideo: linux-image-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 sid: 2.6.30+20 squeeze: 2.6.30+20
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01:07<Hideo>gah, excuse me
01:07<ml|>judd: kernels
01:07<judd>ml|: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
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01:09<SnakDoc>reason i was asking was i was reading / told that ubuntu tends to be newer software where debian is more stable but i am running 2.6.28-15
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01:11<ml|>SnakDoc: you should ask in #ubuntu on freenode that seems old for a ubuntu kernel
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01:11<SnakDoc>its the newest i just ran update command
01:12<SnakDoc>whats default desktop enviroment ?
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01:13<ml|>in?
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01:14<SnakDoc>newest release of debian
01:14<SnakDoc>i know ubuntus is gnome by default
01:14<cahalan>I'm not so sure I'd agree that debian is upgradeable...
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01:17<ml|>SnakDoc: there is none really, if you use netinst you pick what you like or none at all, but if you download cd1 gnome would be be the only one you can install from cd iirc
01:18<SnakDoc>how would netinst work if my connection uses cisco clean access
01:18<ml|>can you conet to the net?
01:18<rudepeople>how do I fix the gcc compiler link problem?
01:18<ml|>connect
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01:19<SnakDoc>ml| yes but i have to open firefox and enter user info
01:19<ml|>oh, no idea then maybe someone else here knows
01:20<rudepeople>!nvidia compiler fix
01:20<dpkg>To solve the nvidia installer complaining about the gcc version not matching the kernel gcc version, in an ugly but effective way: aptitude install gcc-4.1; mkdir -p ~/bin; ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 ~/bin/gcc; export PATH=~/bin:$PATH; sh ./nvidia-installer.run; rm ~/bin/gcc But use the debian packages instead, see <why nvidia installer sucks>, or try export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1 and use your regular compiler (that might work...)
01:20<SnakDoc>i may give os a try in virtual machine and see what i come up with
01:20<SnakDoc>thanks for everything
01:21<ml|>but you can do a base/minimal install with netinst, then install what you like afterwords after setting up networking
01:22<SnakDoc>ok cool i like idea of that may see about doing that sometime when i got a break
01:22<SnakDoc>not sure i want to get into full reinstall in middle of school lol
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01:23<ml|>i prefer to do base/minimal install and build up from there
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01:23<SnakDoc>is there generally much trouble with nvidia driver i know i got special ones in ubuntu
01:24<SnakDoc>i really like idea of building it up myself actually
01:24<ml|>dpkg: nvidia
01:24<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
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01:25<ml|>SnakDoc: not the same as ubuntu but works just fine for nvidia users
01:25<SnakDoc>ml| sounds good long as it works :)
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01:26<ml|>or you just use nv :)
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01:29<SnakDoc>ml| thanks for your help
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01:30<ml|>np
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01:30<SnakDoc>have good nite or day which ever it is for you
01:30<ml|>you too :)
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01:38<rudepeople>Problem... I am ATTEMPTING to install the nvidia driver (whoever thinks the debian way is "easier" needs to be forced to install nvidia drivers "the debian way" for the rest of his life)
01:39<ml|>rudepeople: what's the problem?
01:39<rudepeople>I got to the part in the wiki where I'm supposed to run "apt-cache policy kernel-image-$KVERS linux-headers-$KVERS" and I get: "W: Unable to locate package kernel-image-2.6.30-1-686"
01:40<rudepeople>I checked the repo... yeah... there IS no kernel-image-anything.
01:40<twb>!nvidia one-liner
01:40<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
01:40<twb>I'm curious to see if "the debian way" is any harder than, say, m-a update,a-i,clean squashfs,aufs
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01:41<rudepeople>*sigh
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01:41<rudepeople>yeah... I'm following THAT FRIGGEN ARTICLE!!!
01:41<ml|>rudepeople: that's because you are using testing stuff
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01:41<Tekk>tekkenfreak3
01:41<rudepeople>nope. I'm using sid
01:41<Hideo>debian way is easy, I did it in 5 minutes, ask ml|
01:42<ml|>rudepeople: how long using debian and or linux?
01:42<rudepeople>5 years
01:42<Tekk>I'm trying to use gcc to compile a quick c program using -o but it keeps telling me that there's no input files
01:42<rudepeople>My first distro was red hat 7
01:42<rudepeople>I was arround for the birth of sarge
01:42<ml|>then it should be easy ask Hideo how long it took him to do the samething i suggested you try
01:42<twb>rudepeople: if it's hard, have you reported that as a bug?
01:43<rudepeople>god... time for another nuke'n'pave
01:43<gsimmons>rudepeople: I believe that should read "linux-image-$KVERS" instead of kernel-image-$KVERS in your last command.
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01:43<rudepeople>gsimmons: I thought the same, but I really don't want to screw it up. I have a rule, if I have to reinstall, I have to try a diferant distro.
01:44<rudepeople>last time I got stuck with mint... I really hate mint... but dadgummitt the darn thing just wont BREAK!
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01:45<jm_>it's funny that everyone ends up doing apt* install kernel-image... when there is no need to end down there
01:45<twb>Haha, m-a failed for me because I'm doing it in an OpenVZ VE
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01:46<twb>So let's for it to 2.6.30-1-amd64 with -l, and try again...
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01:47<twb>Someone should change nvidia-glx to xserver-xorg-video-nouveau in the "nvidia m-a" dpkg info entry.
01:47<twb>Hmm, I guess nvidia-source is in non-free, because m-a can't find it.
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01:49<ml|>xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is still in experimental
01:49<twb>ml|: I think it was telling me to install that because I had non-free disabled, and it Provides nvidia-glx
01:50<ml|>oh
01:50<jm_>nouveau lacks some stuff still, i.e. forget about suspend
01:50<ml|>yes it's not ready yet
01:51<EmleyMoor>My partner's Windows box runs Norton 360 - with "Smart Firewall" enabled, it is blocking SMB traffic from my computer. Does anyone know how I can configure it to let me through?
01:51<twb>Yes, ignore me, it was because non-free was off
01:51<twb>It seems like "apt-get install nvidia-glx" also pulls in a precompiled kernel module anyway (nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd64).
01:52<twb>Anyways, I don't see how this is remotely as hard as, let alone harder than, installing the upstream binary junk.
01:52<ml|>is not
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01:53<Hideo>twb: that's why if you compile your own module, you should install nvidia-glx last
01:53<xeon-enouf>EmleyMoor: tell your partner to let you in
01:53<jm_>your own kernel, not your own module
01:53<Hideo>yeah, you know what I meant =)
01:54<twb>Pfft, only ricers and HPC weenies bother to compile their own kernels
01:54<EmleyMoor>xeon-enouf: The response would be "How?" - the only thing that seems to work is turning it off
01:54<jm_><-- ricer
01:54<ml|>haha another :)
01:54<xeon-enouf>EmleyMoor: ask ##windows on freenode?
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01:55<ml|>and you'll find plenty more here but won't cop to it ;)
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01:56<Hideo>haha
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01:58<soul>where can i find different channels
01:58<jm_>on the internet
01:59<soul>thank you
01:59<ml|>google can help
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02:00<xeon-enouf>soul: ? /msg list #*channel-keyword* ?
02:01<rudepeople>ok, so, when was the last time anyone actually followed the nvidia faq?
02:02<soul>#boobs
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02:02<rudepeople>Tonight, I have reinstalled debian 3 times and all 3 times I have FAILED to get through that faq.
02:02<loluser>apparently i did not D:
02:03<loluser>just broke my os with a probably poor attempt at installing the graphics driver
02:03<ml|>you mean debian nvidia wiki page?
02:03<rudepeople>YES!!! THE ONE YOU RECOMMENDED EVERY TIME I BLINK!!!
02:04<loluser>heh
02:04<loluser>anyways, i followed said wiki and it still broke everything D:
02:04<ml|>rudepeople: plenty of people use that all the time you must be doing something wrong
02:04<soul>how are you on irc if you broke ur os ?
02:04<loluser>ur != your
02:04<rudepeople>soul: some people can afford more than one PC.
02:04<loluser>also because i still have my disc
02:05<ml|>rudepeople: did you ever install nvidia.com driver?
02:05<loluser>+ i have like 4 computers
02:05<rudepeople>yes.
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02:05<rudepeople>but every time I do, I get trash talked by the likes of twb.
02:05<ml|>rudepeople: did you get rid of that completely before doing the debian way?
02:05<rudepeople>it makes me nervous that there is something it does that will break my OS
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02:06<jm_>twb++
02:06<loluser>lol, ping time out at 480 seconds
02:06<rudepeople>ml|: I have not done the nvidia installer for MONTHS. IE: THIS particular install on THIS laptop, THIS evening, has NOT had it.
02:07<ml|>rudepeople: ok, i did ask that and you said yes so ...
02:07<xeon-enouf>rudepeople: send me your PC, i'll install nvidia and send it back
02:07*xeon-enouf runs
02:07<ml|>heh
02:07<Hideo>wtf watakushi
02:07<rudepeople>ml|: in the past I have. not tonight.
02:07<rudepeople>xeon-enouf: yea-no.
02:08<xeon-enouf>plzkthnxbai?
02:08<jm_>just ask dpkg about nvidia one-liner and use that
02:08<ml|>rudepeople: all i can say that it works trust us
02:08<rudepeople>ok, I'm tired... I have to sleep.
02:08<loluser>well, i have had enough video driver re install os fun for the night
02:08<ml|>sorry to say you are doing something wrong some where good luck
02:08<rudepeople>tomarrow night, I'll try again with a completely fresh install...
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02:09<rudepeople>If it fails again, I'm going to put out a hit on both the nvidia and debian developers
02:09<soul>hahaha
02:09<loluser>yeah
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02:10<ml|>rudepeople: why not yourself?
02:10*ml| hides
02:10<rudepeople>ml|: with the hell I'm going through, I think I'm already dead and in hell.
02:10<ml|>heheh
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02:11<loluser>my only freaking request is to have stumble, messenger and tf2
02:11<loluser>D:
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02:11<ml|>rudepeople: really all i can say follow the wiki and read it carefully i hope you get it working
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02:13<loluser>one really annoying thing though, who uses 24 hour clocks D:
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02:13<ml|>i do much better than 12 hr imho
02:14<loluser>FFF
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02:14<loluser>it should at least be an option in the clock settings
02:14<ml|>what clock?
02:14<loluser>the one in the tray
02:15<ml|>what tray?
02:15<ml|>in gnome?
02:15<loluser>kde
02:15<soul>is cedega or codeweaver games worth the money to get nd mmo running on my machine or is wine / wine-doors good enough?
02:15<loluser>i had pretty good luck with playonlinux
02:15<ml|>you should be able to change that somewhere but i don't use kde
02:15<loluser>have you tried that yet?
02:16<loluser>yes, i changed it
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02:16<loluser>linux experience is like 15 weeks so yeah...
02:16<loluser>been a windows user for more like 15 years
02:17<ml|>loluser: you try asking in #debian-kde
02:17<ml|>*can
02:17<loluser>i already fixed it, was just pointing out that it is kindof a pain to do
02:19<soul>did i just instantly downloadd 1.5 mb file lol
02:19<loluser>did you?
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02:20<soul>no it's an exe file
02:21<twb>16:05 <rudepeople> but every time I do, I get trash talked by the likes of twb.
02:21<twb>For the record, I wasn't aware of being anything other than frank and forthright.
02:22<ml|>loluser: want info to lear more about linux/debian?
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02:22<ml|>*learn
02:22<ml|>wow, my typing really sucks ;(
02:23<twb>ml|: less beer
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02:24<Hideo>!beer ml|
02:24*dpkg pulls out an exquisite Spaten Pils for ml|
02:24<ml|>twb: heh and i don't remember you trash talking, maybe it's the beer
02:24<ml|>Hideo: thanks :)
02:24<Hideo>just don't IRC while intoxicated!
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02:26<loluser>lol, i will figure it out on my own
02:26<ml|>it's my right too!
02:26<soul>i do mlJ
02:26<loluser>the hell kind of fun is being intoxicated if you can't IRC?
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02:26<ml|>soul: tab completion ftw
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02:29<loluser>oh, one thing that would be very helpful to know, what music player has functionality similar to winamp but works on debian?
02:30<soul>ml|: hi
02:30<ml|>soul: see :)
02:31<soul>ml|: shea thanks man :))
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02:31<ml|>soul: np
02:32<jm_>loluser: try audacious for simple stuff
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02:33<ml|>soul: /msg dpkg grounding , dpkgbot and seltell also any info you get from dpkg that has <> means you can also ask dpkg about
02:34<twb><rcy> i bet sabetts is wasted drukn.
02:34<twb><sabetts> rcy: ya but i designed the passwd to be rememeberable specifilyaclyl at htis right now
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02:34<soul>ml|: shall i use these commands in konsole now?
02:34<ml|>yes
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02:35<loluser>well, i have a good bit of music
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02:35<loluser>~80gb worth
02:35<ml|>kde does have amarok
02:36<loluser>so it needs to be able to sort it by at least artist preferably genre
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02:37<jm_>if you want way more functionality then amarok or something similar
02:38<ml|>soul: oh and /msg dpkg reference
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02:39<ml|>loluser: what i suggested to soul would useful to you too
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02:40<soul>ml|: its say no such file or directory what exactly do i type at the terminal?
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02:40<jm_>soul: the /msg command is for your IRC client, not for shell
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02:41<soul>ah okay
02:42<ml|>soul: i thought you understood ... 02:34:35 < soul> ml|: shall i use these commands in konsole now?
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02:42<ml|>duh, you said konqeror not konsole, sorry my fault
02:43<ml|>soul: ^^^
02:43<ml|>*thought
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02:43<soul>ml|: haha no problem :D
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02:44<ml|>soul: see dpkg msg now?
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02:44<soul>ml|: yes i see this <-> dpkg> seltell
02:45<ml|>understand it?
02:45<soul>ml|: <dpkg> are you smoking crack?
02:45<soul>ml|: lol ?
02:46<ml|>soul: haha if dpkg does not know, she will be harsh
02:46<soul>ml|: i think i get it now
02:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 351] by debhelper
02:47<ml|>i should say can be harsh
02:47<ml|>cool, dpkg is a good tool imho
02:48<soul>ty ty much appreciated
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02:48<ml|>np, enjoy
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02:56<soul>ml|: havee good niight
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02:56<ml|>thanks
02:56<ml|>you too
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03:04<twb>Anybody ever netboot an arm system?
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03:09<jm_>some people asked about those mini arm systems here, they pretty much all use netboot for install
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03:12<Yoda-BZH`Wk>salut/hi
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03:14<twb>jm_: netboot is an actual package?
03:14<jm_>twb: ahh no, I meant net boot in general
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03:14<twb>Ah, sorry, my first question was stupid.
03:16<twb>I'm trying to work out a netboot strategy for my sheevaplug, since pxelinux won't work with arm
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03:17<loluser>brb reboot
03:17<twb>#openplug on freenode is helping me with that
03:17<loluser>just changed CONCURRENCY=none to CONCURRENCY=shell
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03:17<jm_>did you try this? http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/
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03:23<twb>jm_: that wants me to boot from a USB key
03:23<twb>http://www.openplug.org/plugwiki/index.php/Category:Uboot
03:24<twb>It seems that marvell provide the equivalent of pxelinux.0 built into the device, so you have to configure KERNEL, APPEND, NFSROOT and such directly on the device, instead of centralizing it on the server...
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03:26<djj>hm, what's the difference really with concurrency=shell or starpar? /etc/init.d/rc says: # shell is obsolete
03:26<jm_>twb: ahh I see, but it's interesting that they mention upgrading u-boot via tftp
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03:27<twb>jm_: yeah, I'm trying to see if I can chainload or something
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03:27<twb>djj: if I'm using insserv, does that mean I can set CONCURRENCY=shell?
03:28<twb>djj: that comment seems to indicate I can.
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03:31<twb>BTW, you know how Ubuntu's /lib/lsb/init-functions has pretty right-aligned [FAIL] lines? Can I get that in Debian?
03:32<djj>twb: both seem fine but i really dont know for sure :-)
03:33<jm_>heh ala HP-UX
03:34<djj>i must've seen some sort of explanation on the differences but forgot what or where it was..
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04:20<wekt>How long does it take for a Bug to appear in BTS after submission? How can it be verified that the Bug is correctly in the system prior to it appearing via the Web interface?
04:22<wekt>twb: what boot devices do you have available?
04:22<twb>wekt: you should get an email response
04:22<twb>wekt: I don't understand the question. Boot devices?
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04:22<wekt>twb: what devices can you boot in order to do the installation you want?
04:22<twb>wekt: what installation?
04:23<wekt>If the e-mail response fails, is there another way of verifying that the bug is in the system?
04:23<twb>wekt: I don't think so.
04:23<wekt>twb: I thought you were trying to plan installation of debian on a computer.
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04:24<twb>No, I want to RUN Debian/armel via netboot.
04:24<twb>Just like I do for my x86 kiosks.
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04:28<wekt>Maybe Open Firmware can be helpful. http://www.openfirmware.info/
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04:48<twb>I didn't think OF was portable to arbitrary existing hardware
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04:59<EmleyMoor>Is a Celeron Dual Core T3000 a 64-bit processor?
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05:00<EmleyMoor>Ah, yes
05:00<EmleyMoor>(EM64T listed in spec)
05:00<jm_>/proc/cpuinfo will tell you
05:01*EmleyMoor hasn't bought the system yet
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05:05<EmleyMoor>Are there any known caveats for running Debian amd64 on such a processor?
05:06<wekt>twb: Once there is a Forth interpreter for arbitrary existing hardware, most of OF should run. Also I thought they might have a working implementation for ARM.
05:06<wekt>BBIAB
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05:35<Wunnymush> hi
05:36<Wunnymush>how can i change or add languages in login managaer?
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05:38<Wunnymush>manager*
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05:46<mjt>what's the way to enable 'hybernate' choice in gnome's "shutdown" menu?
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05:49<JustSoul>Hello, Why I cannot access directory?: http://paste.debian.net/45916/
05:50<weasel>.oO( because you use ACLs. )
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05:50<weasel>also, you failed to show us who owns the directory.
05:50<JustSoul>nobody
05:51<weasel>show.
05:51<weasel>ls -ld share
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05:51<JustSoul>drwxrwxrwx+ 5 10003 10004 0 óÅÎ 7 13:49 .
05:52<JustSoul>unknown user, unknown group
05:52<weasel>that's not the same as nobody.
05:52<mjt>hosed filesystem?
05:52<JustSoul>yep
05:52<JustSoul>samba
05:52<JustSoul>with acl-s
05:52<cahalan>now I have no X
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05:53<JustSoul>when user uid-parametr, samba access normally
05:53<JustSoul>w/o - access denied
05:53<JustSoul>*use
05:54<JustSoul>hm... I'll try make it localy
05:54<mjt>JustSoul: koi8? :)
05:54<JustSoul>utf8
05:54<mjt>your $LANG is koi8
05:55<JustSoul>on server - yes
05:55<JustSoul># echo $LANGru_RU.UTF-8
05:56<Wunnymush>somebody here who knows how to change language or add lanuages in 'Login Manager' ...I'm using Debian 5 Lenny 64-bit
05:57<cahalan>"Unable to find a valid framebuffer device" <-- WTF, I didn't change the kernel or the X config
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06:00<cahalan>I hate this damn console. The modern web is damn near useless.
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06:01<twb>How do I get these semantics with cp? rsync -a /etc/skel/ ~guest
06:01<koollman>cahalan: well, I hate that damn modern web. it makes the console near useless ;)
06:01<n3lab>:D
06:01<twb>Note how it "helpfully" copies all the files, dotfiles and otherwise, from /etc/skel/ into ~guest instead of ~guest/skel
06:02<n3lab>console! console! bash! bash! xD
06:02<JustSoul>samba ;(
06:02<twb>n3lab: ITYM init=/usr/bin/emacs
06:03<koollman>twb: if rsync works fine, why do you want to use cp ? (or, 'is that homework?')
06:03<twb>koollman: I'd prefer not to depend on rsync, is all
06:03<jm_>twb: cp -a ../foo/* ../foo/.* dst
06:03<twb>jm_: error: ../foo/* is not a file
06:03<cahalan>koollman: that's another way to look at it, but the past decade has gotten me addicted to not needing to press the down arrow a zillion times just to follow a link
06:03<n3lab>twb, nono :)
06:03<twb>jm_: I guess I could use bash and nullglob
06:03<jm_>twb: yeah
06:04<jm_>twb: or skip .../* part, skel only has .* on my system
06:05<koollman>cahalan: well, if you really need it, there's mouse support in the console of course. you can also just type the beginning of the link's text to get to it, which can be faster (or not, sometimes)
06:05<twb>jm_: but then it's not future-proof
06:05<twb>jm_: :-)
06:05<koollman>not that I find the current console browsers 'ergonomic'. But they're useful sometime
06:05<twb>FWIW, emacs-w3m and w3m are my default browsers
06:05<koollman>They're also nice if you're into zen philosophy ... you can see the void :)
06:05<twb>I love the rel=next support, for example.
06:05<cahalan>koollman: right, like when an upgrade toasted X
06:06<koollman>and realize the emptiness of most websites once you take away the useless graphics
06:06<jm_>twb: what's that rel=next thing?
06:06<cahoot>cahalan: no clues in the logs?
06:06<cahalan>cahoot: nope
06:06<twb>jm_: e.g. google results have a <link> referring to the next page of results
06:06<jm_>twb: ahh, neat
06:06<twb>jm_: instead of having to click "next", you can just keep scrolling down and it automatically goes to the next page
06:06<twb>Also docbook HTML
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06:07<cahalan>cahoot: there are logs of course, but they look pretty useless. It says no screens and other such generic stuff.
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06:08<cahoot>cahalan: no proprietary drivers involved?
06:08<cahalan>cahoot: I ran "strace" on it. It does an ioctl or fcntl on /dev/fb0 (correct device) and then moved onto the next device
06:08<cahalan>cahoot: no proprietary drivers
06:09<cahalan>cahoot Rage 128 PF/PRO AGP 4x TMDS on a PowerPC 32-bit
06:09<cahalan>(and yes, my so-called IRC client is barely functional)
06:09<twb>cahalan: are you running inside screen?
06:09<jm_>does it work if r128 or ati driver is used?
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06:09<cahalan>twb: bare console
06:10<twb>cahalan: did you use su or sudo at any time in this shell?
06:10<twb>cahalan: more generally, compare /dev/fb0 permissions with id(1) output
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06:10<twb>cahalan: also make sure your current tty (as reported by tty(1)) is /dev/ttyN, not /dev/ptyN
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06:11<cahalan>twb: no, I just log in directly on the console (Alt-F2 for another one, etc.)
06:11<twb>(pts/N?)
06:11<jm_>wait, ppc - that always uses a FB console, right?
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06:11<twb>jm_: yes
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06:11<cahalan>root:video, bare tty
06:11<twb>So it wouldn't surprise me if he's on /dev/pts/N ...
06:12<cahalan>no matter if I'm root or regular user
06:12<cahalan>twb: the frame buffer console has /dev/tty1 just like a VGA console
06:12<twb>cahalan: OK, if you logged in as root directly from the getty's login, and you still can't talk to /dev/fb0, then I don't know.
06:13<cahalan>twb: that's the situation (root or otherwise)
06:13<jm_>I suppose you should also ask in the PPC channel
06:13<cahalan>jm_: where would that be? (remember, my IRC client is horrid)
06:13<jm_>cahalan: #debianppc
06:14<cahalan>jm_: version is the latest stuff
06:14<cahalan>this past few hours
06:14<jm_>cahalan: ahh that was supposed to tell me which IRC client it is :)
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06:15<cahalan>jm_: heh, all I saw was "VERSION". I'm using sic.
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06:18<JustSoul>bb
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06:18<twb>cahalan: what are you using as a client, socat?
06:19<cahalan>twb: sic
06:19<twb>I guess that's some wacky way to spell "irssi"
06:19<cahalan>twb: you can apt-get it
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06:20<cahalan>twb: it has about 4 commands, no tab-like mechanism to separate channels, and incoming stuff scrambles your typing
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06:21<cahalan>twb: scrollback is whatever the linux console provides
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06:21<twb>cahalan: what I meant was: why didn't you use irssi?
06:22<cahalan>twb: never heard of it; I did "apt-cache search irc" and picked from the spew
06:23<twb>irssi is what, like, one third of all IRCers use
06:23*Gold24 wonders where you made that statistics from
06:24<twb>Gold24: /ctcp #emacs version
06:24<Gold24>ok :)
06:24<cahalan>twb: back when I had X, I used Xchat. Only 2 flaws I cared about: alert-on-regexp was not per-channel, and it used Windows-style cut-and-paste
06:24<twb>"like" being shorthand for "pulled out of my arse on a windy day"
06:24<Gold24>hehe
06:25<Gold24>but yeah irssi is heavily used
06:25<Gold24>i don't disagree with that hehe
06:25<cahoot>and I always thought mIRC was the one
06:26<twb>cahoot: you don't get a lot of Windows users in technical channels
06:26<Gold24>twb: yeah
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06:26<Ganneff>now, whats this have to do with #debian?
06:26<twb>Ganneff: sorry
06:27<Gold24>Ganneff: i was just about to say it myself, but sorry
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06:59<False_Chicken>anyone know how to get the WUSB54G usb wireless adaptor to work in lenny?
06:59<jm_>!wusb54gc.
06:59<dpkg>The Ralink RT73 USB chipset (RT2501USB/RT2571W) is supported by the next-generation driver (rt73usb), included in mainline kernels since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware> to install. For driver and firmware installation on Etch systems, see http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73
06:59<jm_>is that it?
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07:00<False_Chicken>close
07:00<False_Chicken>i dont think its exact
07:00<False_Chicken>http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-setup-linksys-wusb54g-v4-wireless-in-ubuntu-gusty.html
07:01<False_Chicken>not for debian but I tried that anyway
07:01<False_Chicken>i think ill try your way real quick
07:01<jm_>!rt2570
07:01<dpkg>The Ralink RT2500USB chipset (RT2571) is supported by the next-generation driver (rt2500usb), included in mainline kernels since 2.6.24. Does not require firmware from userspace. For driver installation on Etch systems, see http://wiki.debian.org/rt2500usb . For RT2501USB/RT2571W device support, ask me about <rt73usb>.
07:02<jm_>that looks more relevant then
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07:03<False_Chicken>thanks. will try that
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07:15<shiznatix>Hello. I am having problems playing a few .avi files. I have never had a problem before with avi videos but for some reason these particular ones, when tried in totem give a "could not determine type of stream" error and in VLC it won't play the video or anything but the progress bar will go for about 5 seconds and then end. Any idea whats up with this?
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07:18<False_Chicken>well. it shows up in lsusb and iwconfig as wlan1. but when I change the settings in gnome network manager and close it it goes back to being disabled in the manager
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07:19<False_Chicken>and it wont scan. I had to input the AP name myself
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07:20<cahoot>no complaints i dmesg when you modprobe its module?
07:20<False_Chicken>nope
07:20<False_Chicken>doesnt say a thing
07:21<cahoot>iwlist scan fails?
07:22<False_Chicken>nope. just tried it scans and finds my point just fine
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07:23<False_Chicken>but when i use the network manager nothing will show up in the ESSID box
07:24<cahoot>I'd either try wpa-supplicant from command line or wicd
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07:28<foob>shiznatix: have tried avidemux...
07:28<sylar>hi
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07:29<foob>shiznatix: also try smplayer
07:29<sylar>I am trying to compile the kernel after a patch, I tried kp-mantra, but it complains that the revision clash with debian /changelog
07:29<shiznatix>foob, where do I find this avidemux? Its apparently not a package
07:30<jm_>avidemux is in the multimedia repo
07:30<themill>sylar: that's why you *don't* change the changelog when using kernel package.
07:31<sylar>themill, I haven't changed it yet
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07:33<False_Chicken>thanks cahoot. wicd works like a charm. the link light does not work on the device but I assume its just blown.
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07:36<sylar>themill, it looks like kp-mantra will use the date alone instead of the kernel version
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07:36<shiznatix>avidemux -> "could not open file"
07:36<ims>How to add wicd applet on squeeze panel?
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07:37<themill>sylar: which version of kernel-package are you using?
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07:38<themill>sylar: istr it's changed a bit recently; you may want to read its man page and check
07:38<sylar>themill, 2.6.30-1~bpo50+1
07:38<foob>shiznatix: are your files complete i.e. not corrupted...
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07:38<jm_>sylar: also the maintainer blogged about the changes, probably worth reading that too
07:38<themill>judd versions kernel-package
07:38<judd>themill: kernel-package -- etch: 10.067 sid: 11.012 lenny: 11.015 sid: 11.017 sid: 12.020 squeeze: 12.020
07:38<themill>sylar: that's not a version of kernel-package
07:38<shiznatix>foob, this i can't say for certain if they are or not
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07:39<foob>shiznatix: u can try smplayer which is a front end for mplayer...but you might get the same result if your files are no good...
07:40<shiznatix>foob, tried it. it just didn't play anything
07:40<sylar>themill, it isn't?
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08:00<Hilycou>sziasztok
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08:05<ripol>quit
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08:06<Hilycou>beszéli valaki a magyar nyelvet???
08:07<locklace>!hu
08:07<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t.
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08:11<Hilycou>good day
08:12<Hilycou>please help
08:13<Hilycou>I'm hungarian and no speak englis
08:13<Hunger>akkor miert ide jottel? :)
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08:13<Hilycou>A #debian.hu chanel is nothing
08:14<petemc>irc.freenode.net
08:14<Hunger>try freenode :)
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08:14<Hilycou>mert nem találtam magyar csatornát
08:14<shiznatix>Can someone tell me how to kill all ssh connections to a server without shutting down the server. I want to update a bunch of passwords but want to make sure I kill all active sessions after i update them
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08:15<jm_>shiznatix: killall, skill etc. will help you
08:15<Hunger>Hilycou: atw.irc.hu #debian.hu
08:15<jm_>also pkill
08:15<Hilycou>Köszönöm Thank you
08:15<Hunger>;)
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08:18<Hilycou>by by
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08:20<althaser>I am having trouble with dns, I have route set and my isp-dns in /etc/resolv.conf I can ping but can't access to aptitude webbrowser etc etc any clue ?
08:20<jm_>what can you ping?
08:20<quinque>proxy?
08:20<althaser>I can ping them by ips ...
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08:21<althaser>I don't have any proxy...
08:22<jm_>you can ping DNS servers or what?
08:23<althaser>that I didn't try, but I get google.com ip and tried to ping and I got the pong
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08:24<jm_>ok then I have no idea what your problem actually is
08:24<althaser>:s
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08:25<joel>hello anyone knows a good link to configure pam LDAP in debian?
08:25<althaser>thanks jm_
08:25<jm_>althaser: if you explain it a bit different then I might get it
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08:31<joel>anyone?
08:32<jm_>try http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/PAM
08:32<ComradeHaz>joel, all I can tell you is you probably don;t want to unless you really have to :D
08:32<ComradeHaz>a friend of mine has had no end of problems
08:33<joel>ComradeHaz, wtf?
08:33<ComradeHaz>:D
08:33<ComradeHaz>I dunno, tbh, just he keeps moaning about it
08:33<ComradeHaz>(and he tends to know his stuff)
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08:34<joel>you do not have why to have problems if you know what you are doing.
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08:40<joel>anyone? :(
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08:52<hitman32>Hi
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08:53<hitman32>هلو
08:54<n3lab>can anybody help me with learning english?
08:54<hitman32>hahahah
08:54<n3lab>maybe anybody know some irc channels?
08:54<exn>n3lab, try #English on FreeNode
08:54<hitman32>it's not english clube
08:54<hitman32>this one
08:54<n3lab>exn, 10x :)
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08:56<hitman32>I need help
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08:57<althaser> jm_ well I mean, I have no access to the internet, I only can ping servers by their ips, now I am on a different machine ....
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08:58<jm_>althaser: do name lookups work?
08:58<n3lab>althaser, check plz resolv.conf
08:58<althaser>jm_: how can I test it ?
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08:59<hitman32>where's the arabic room??
08:59<althaser>n3lab I have my dns servers in there ....
08:59<n3lab>less /etc/resolv.conf
08:59<n3lab>mm
08:59<bloebb>@ hitman: try "/list"
08:59<jm_>althaser: getent hosts www.google.com
08:59<joel>hello anyone knows a good link to configure pam LDAP in debian?
08:59<n3lab>and can u ping google.com?
08:59<jm_>althaser: can you ping those IP-s?
09:00<n3lab>maybe it's ur provider fail
09:00<jm_>althaser: also verify the /etc/nsswitch.conf file
09:00<n3lab>and his dns are broken
09:00<abrotman>joel: maybe in the libpam-ldap package ?
09:01<bloebb>hey, can anyone tell me a good howto for setting up a dual boot system (Debian/64studio)?
09:01<althaser>I need to reboot to test it thanks for tips I brb
09:01<althaser>n3lab: I just can ping by ip not for google.com :P
09:01<n3lab>so it's trouble with ur dns
09:01<jm_>bloebb: just create partitions for both, no howto needed
09:02<bloebb>ok, but they will use the same /boot
09:02<n3lab>call ur provider and ask him about dns
09:02<bloebb>won't they?
09:02<n3lab>maybe they have some tech works
09:02<jm_>it's rpobably best if you don't use separate /boot partitions unless you have to
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09:02<jm_>but if you need it, then create two /boot partitions, one for each
09:03<bloebb>i want to use one /boot partition
09:03<jm_>that's not a very good idea
09:03<bloebb>why not?
09:03<jm_>because packages from both put files there
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09:04<bloebb>but you were saying that "it's rpobably best if you don't use separate /boot partitions"
09:04<jm_>yeah I meant that as in without separate /boot at all
09:04<jm_>i.e. /boot is on /
09:04<bloebb>why that?
09:04<jm_>so that you don't need 4 partitions
09:05<jm_>(plus extra for /home etc.)
09:05<bloebb>or 6
09:05<jm_>right
09:05<bloebb>but what is wrong about partitions then?
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09:05<jm_>who said there's something wrong? it's just that modern systems don't need special setup anymore
09:05<bloebb>i thought, i'd use 1 /boot, 2/root, 2 /home
09:06<bloebb>but it#s more secure, isn't it?
09:06<althaser>n3lab: I already did it I ask from dns they gave me but still doesn't work, in fact I lost "internet" when my ISP get down let me test your tips
09:06<abrotman>bloebb: just make sure you only have one system managing your bootloader
09:06<jm_>that's another reason not to have the same /boot with both
09:06<bloebb>ok
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09:06<bloebb>but if i have 2 /boot
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09:07<bloebb>they will have to be created within the first whatever blocks of the disk, right?
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09:07<jm_>not with a modern system, FSVO modern
09:07<bloebb>FSVO?
09:07<jm_>!FSVO
09:07<dpkg>fsvo is probably For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of
09:07<jm_>the former
09:08<bloebb>i fell, i'm somekind of lacking behind on what a modern linux system needs... :)
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09:09<bloebb>ok...so, i just install debian on an leave some disk space for the other system
09:10<bloebb>then i install the other system on that free space (with a sperate /boot /root and /home)
09:10<bloebb>but, wait: isn't it that you can only have 4 primary partitions?
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09:10<jm_>yes
09:11<bloebb>then i will have to leave out the /boot for 64studio and incroporate it into /
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09:11<jm_>you can put it all in an extended partition using logical drives
09:12<bloebb>that would be /boot and "/crypt" for debian and /root and /home for 64studio then...should work
09:12<bloebb>but i don't wnt to use logical partitions on a realtime optimized system
09:12<jm_>wow that's worth quoting
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09:12<bloebb>why?
09:13<bloebb>is it so wrong?
09:13<radtchenko>hi folks, I'm trying to build radeon and drm-modules to enable 2D support on xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
09:13<radtchenko>while doing so, I get the following error:
09:13<radtchenko>~/drm/linux-core/drm_os_linux.h:36: error: conflicting types for ‘irqreturn_t’
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09:14<radtchenko>I tried googling around, though only found some obscure solutions for mostly other distro's
09:14<radtchenko>does anyone have suggestions how to fix this?
09:14<bloebb>i am running an encrypted debian system (logical partitions) right now and i feel that this os probably limiting performance
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09:18<althaser>n3lab jm_ thanks a lot guys :D it was mine /etc/nsswitch.conf
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09:19<jm_>althaser: no worries
09:19<althaser>:D
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09:20<mjt>any way to get gnome to produce at least \g beeps? Right now it's 100% silent here, even if in gnome-terminal beeps are enabled.
09:21<jm_>mjt: what does xset q say about bell?
09:21<bloebb>ok, one more question: how do i ensure that my first system is the on handling the bootloader?
09:21<mjt>(sound from mplayer/firefox/etc works)
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09:22<mjt>$ xset q | fgrep bell
09:22<mjt> bell percent: 50 bell pitch: 400 bell duration: 100
09:22<jm_>looks fine to me, maybe try increasing the percent
09:22<jm_>(that is volume)
09:22<mjt>no difference
09:23<mjt> bell percent: 100 bell pitch: 400 bell duration: 100
09:23<jm_>then I am out of ideas - also note that readline/apps can have their own setting for this
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09:25<mjt>it looks to me it's confusing pc-speaker beeps with hda beeps
09:25<cahoot>snd-pcsp?
09:25<mjt>(and no, readline does not have its own setting, it just prints \g)
09:26<mjt>i dunno what's snd-pcsp
09:27<cahoot>mjt: alsa for pscspeaker
09:27<mjt>when i unload hda-intel module it starts beeping again
09:27<mjt>i want to to continue beeping even when hda-intel is loaded... ;)
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09:30<cahoot>mjt: pcspkr and alsa fighting of the device?
09:30<mjt>no idea
09:30<cahoot>s/of/over/
09:30<mjt>well.. hda-intel should have nothing to do with pc speaker
09:30<mjt>and pc speaker support is built-in to kernel
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09:31<mjt>it looks like hda-intel claims it PROVIDES pc-speaker but in fact it does not.
09:31<cahoot>mjt: see if snd-pcsp is loaded
09:31<mjt>there's no such module
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09:32<mjt>i don't need to use pc speaker for sound
09:32<mjt>for that i've hda
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09:33<mjt>i just want hda to stop telling the system it IS pc speaker, which is false.
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09:37<adb> /msg dpkg silence speaker
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09:38<mjt>aha. so snd-pcsp module SHOULD be loaded for beeps.
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09:39<mjt># CONFIG_SND_PCSP is not set
09:40<sadneophyte>hi, I am using a low ram lenny, I have acrobat reader xpdf and kpdf installed. Does 5.0 have some way to set application priorities or preferred applications for a type of mime?
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09:41<mjt>insmod: error inserting '/build/kernel/kernel-2.6.31-2.6.31~rc9/b/x86-64/sound/drivers/pcsp/snd-pcsp.ko': -1 File exists
09:41<sadneophyte>like if I click on a pdf in konqueror or thunar or pcmanfm? that it uses xpdf or kpdf? are there systemwide places i can set this?
09:41<abrotman>sadneophyte: depends on your window manager/desktop
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09:42<Qantouri1c>can i use dhcp but block the gateway and resolv.conf update ?
09:42<sadneophyte><abrotman> all I really want to do is remove acrobat from these lists, while not deleting it, when I wanna use acrobat I can open it from a terminal or from a menu chooser...
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09:43<radovic>I want to install lxde on debian lenny, but it tells me it has to remove libfam0 that is used by many many gnome based applications. On ubuntu it installed without any problems...
09:43<abrotman>sadneophyte: did you try to right click and choose one ? (i don't use xfce)
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09:44<radovic>how do I install lxde?
09:44<sadneophyte><radovic> I didn't have that dependancy problem
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09:45<radovic>hmm... I installed default lenny with gnome, removed openoffice and installed abiword and gnumeric.
09:45<sadneophyte><abrotman> it is sorta funny lxde doesn't like acrobat... but like iceweasel does... which is annoying...
09:46<sadneophyte><radovic> how many programs get removed with libfam0?
09:46<radovic>just a sec...
09:46<radovic>haha, whole gnonme :)
09:47<radovic>*gnome
09:47<radovic>nautilus, abiword, cheese, all apps
09:47<sadneophyte><radovic> and how much ram do you have? I would only recomend lxde for under 256 meg...
09:47<abrotman>radovic: man aptitude .. see unmarkauto
09:47<radovic>I have 2gigabytes of ram :)
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09:48<radovic>thankx guys, thanks alot :)
09:48<sadneophyte><radovic> yeah lenny lxde while cool, isn't awesome...
09:48<radovic>I kno
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09:48<radovic>I tried lxde install, it wasnt as good as I hoped... But I really like the looks of it...
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09:49<radovic>I am annoyed with synaptis, because in gnome there is no maximize butotn when it's downloading packages, on kde and lxde, they are there...
09:49<FilipeMaia>Is it possible to install 32bit libqt on my amd64 machine?
09:50<sadneophyte><radovic> it will become sweet, but it isn't old enough...
09:50<sadneophyte>fear!
09:50<radovic>hehe
09:50<bja>FilipeMaia: yes
09:50<FilipeMaia>bja, how?
09:50<radovic>lunch is ready, I'm off to feed myself :). Typeya later ppl 0/
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09:51<bja>FilipeMaia: research multilib
09:51<FilipeMaia>bja, but i can't install it with apt can I?>
09:52<sadneophyte><abrotman> so there is no 'update-alternatives' behind the scenes type application that I could use to make acrobat less 'pushy.' Somewhere I saw a 'preffered applications' program. I guess that must of been 'buntu or something...
09:52<abrotman>FilipeMaia: which version of debian?
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09:52<FilipeMaia>abrotman, sid
09:52<abrotman>sadneophyte: there is one in gnome ..
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09:52<abrotman>sadneophyte: or try uninstalling the adobe_reader .. see what happens
09:52<FilipeMaia>I did apt-cache search ia32-libqt4 without any luck
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09:53<themill>sadneophyte: application preferences for things like a pdf reader is up to your desktop environment/file manager.
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09:54<sadneophyte>abrotman uninstalling is definately an option, but then I have to reinstall it whenever I use the printer in the lab while printing pdfs from some research journal archives. it is just hassely... I mean as long as it isn't EVER running unless I tell it to, it is a 'nice-enough' program ;/
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09:55<abrotman>eh .. why can't you print from kpdf/xpdf/evince ?
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09:56<themill>sadneophyte: I use kpdf for printing all such articles with no issues at all
09:56<FilipeMaia>bja, abrotman any ideas?
09:56<kako>hello
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09:56<kako>i'am french
09:56<abrotman>FilipeMaia: ia32-apt-get ? whatever it is, i don't use it
09:56<kako>clear
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09:57<abrotman>!fr
09:57<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
09:57<sadneophyte><themill then it must be the printer ;)
09:58<themill>sadneophyte: or possibly your printer settings in these other apps
09:58<sadneophyte>themill I just want it to work... I am so sad when stuff doesn't work...
09:59<themill>sadneophyte: well, you now have the options: either fix your application preferences in whatever it is you're using as a file manager to open the PDFs, or fix your print system.
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10:00<sadneophyte><themill> the network printer cannot be fixed. And the system can't be debuged. so I am screwed :)
10:01<themill>sadneophyte: the printer settings are likely to be on your own machine and if you can't fix whatever this desktop environment is, then use a different one. (e.g. you could change this preference in 3 clicks in KDE)
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10:04<sadneophyte><themill> thanks for the help you guys. I am just gonna find a static build of acrobat and make it sit in the corner till I need it.
10:05<themill>sadneophyte: your using thunar in lenny?
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10:07*abrotman hands themill an extra "'" and an "e"
10:07<themill>err, yeah
10:07<sadneophyte><themill> mostly...
10:08<themill>sadneophyte: right, so in thunar, right click and you can choose which application to open it in.
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10:09<themill>(which is what abrotman said to try 25 minutes ago)
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10:09<sadneophyte>themill right. thanks. miscomunication.
10:09<abrotman>i said that!
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10:13<crohmann>hey all
10:14<crohmann>I'm investigating a strance apache2+php problem and would love to use gdb to look into it
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10:14<crohmann>I already installed apache2-dbg. How do I tell gdb to use the symbols now?
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10:23<drmay>debianizong my apache2 module: need to have in installed system a set of files in /etc/mymod. in the file "debian/rules#install" I do a "cp etc/* libapache2-mod-mymod/etc/ -R" which I've verified it is done correctly -but- when installing the package /etc is not populated. Any hint? thanks
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10:25*arw hello folks
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11:09<arw>hello, i'vre try to use the usb with kvm without luck, i've used with qemu and works. Kvm home page tell me that is same as qemu but does not works, any ideas?
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11:22<soul>i'd really like deb to install .deb files is there a way around installing all the gnome libs?
11:23<petemc>can you rephrase the question?
11:23<jpinx>soul debian installs packages which are in .deb files - what do you really mean?
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11:25<soul>jpinx: i mean how some files i download are in tar.gz format and some are in deb format, when i had the gnome desktop installed i was able to right click on the .deb files and install them using gdeb, but seems i lost that function once i uninstalled gnome desktopp
11:26<jpinx>soul: you can use dpkg -i package.deb from the commandline
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11:26<jpinx>soul: but be aware that dependencies will need to be sorted
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11:27<petemc>they will if you run aptitude -f install afterwards
11:28<jpinx>soul: but your current desktop should have some way of installing
11:28<jpinx>what did you replace gnome with ?
11:28<soul>jpinx: kde 3.5 in lenny
11:28<jpinx>soul: afaik KDE has an installer too
11:29<jpinx>but I don't use that myself
11:29<soul>jpinx: how can i sort the depencies if i install through the command line?
11:29<petemc>aptitude -f install
11:29<soul>thank you
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11:35<smhar>greetings
11:36<soul>how do you do :)
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11:39<smhar>I've been having this problem with my debian notebook's wifi for a very long time, since my last apt-upgrade session. many suggested the the solution is to do another upgrade session. The problem is: I have no access to a wired connection. So I fired up vmware, installed an old winxp and connected a usb GPRS device, that I couldn't connect with debian so far.
11:39<Tekla>which debian is the current netinst?
11:39<Tekla>lenny?
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11:40<soul>you can choose stable, testing, unstable through netinstall
11:40<smhar>Now I have a working internet in my guest windows, an I want to use in in my host debian -lenny-, I did the ICS in windows, got the IP though ipconfig and did a static eth1 using the same IP
11:41<smhar>But still I can not get to internet :-(
11:41<smhar>could someone please give me some way out
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11:41<abrotman>Tekla: that's the latest stable netinst, yes
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11:44<Tekla>thx
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11:45<jpinx>smhar: is it a wifi driver issue?
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11:45<smhar>jpinx, yes
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11:51<smhar>abrotman suggested I enable ICS in windows and then connect to it theough debian, I did that, but I think I amstill missing something
11:51<abrotman>no, you asked how ..
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11:53<seanius>crohmann: there's a few known "strange issues" in apache2+php5 lately, you might want to scan the bts (i'm getting on a bus but will bbiab)
11:53<smhar>abrotman, sure and you explained the processs but it is still not working... did I miss something?
11:54<abrotman>no idea
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11:56<Vasistha>having trouble recovering from s2disk. I think I messed up by upgrading my kernel -- I should have rebooted after the upgrade. I don't want to fry my filesystems, but unsure how to boot right now without doing so. help?
11:57<smhar>ok.. if I boot using a live CD, ie, ubuntu which can use my wifi and can connect me to the intenet, then I chrooted to my installed lenny, could I use that internet connection, and upt-upgrade my lenny?
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11:58<petemc>yes
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11:59<smhar>petemc, will I be able to use the netconnection directly or should I do some bridge trick before?
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11:59<petemc>should just work in the chroot
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12:00<smhar>then maybe this is a better solution than using win in vmware
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12:07<maaassie>Hello
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12:12<soul>hello massie
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12:21<maaassie>Hey, can someone help me to get the java plugin work for iceweasel
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12:23<themill>maaassie: i386? amd64? lenny? what have you currently tried?
12:24<maaassie>i386 i think i installed the java right but i dont know how to make the link between the plugin folder and the plugin
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12:24<themill>maaassie: if you have "non-free" in your sources.list, "aptitude install sun-java6-plugin" should be all you need to do
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12:25<musix>Ola pessoal, sou novo usuario do Debian e gostaria de saber se alguem poderia me dar uma ajuda.
12:25<themill>!br
12:25<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
12:25<bja>!br
12:25<themill>maaassie: please keep it in the channel so that others can help if I get called away
12:25<maaassie>ok
12:26<soul>maaassie: you can also pm ppl in this channel by typin their the first 2 letters of their name and tab
12:26<maaassie>ok thanks
12:26<ml|>soul: read the topic
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12:27<ml|>maaassie: read the topic
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12:27<maaassie>topic^
12:27<maaassie>?
12:27<ml|> /msg bots NOT people
12:28<maaassie>ok
12:28<ml|>^thats in the topic
12:28<cahoot>well typing the nick isn't priv msg?
12:29<themill>if by "pm" you mean "public message"...
12:29<ml|>< soul> maaassie: you can also pm ppl in this channel by
12:29<soul>no private message
12:29<ml|>soul: did you mean something else?
12:29<cahoot>personal message?
12:30<soul>wait what
12:30<soul>you guys can see when i do ml|: msg
12:30<ml|>if did you sorry, pm usually means private message
12:31<soul>no worries
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12:31<themill>soul: everyone can see this, your irc client will just highlight it for you so you don't miss it
12:31<soul>ohhh
12:31<ml|>soul: it's not the same
12:31<soul>gotcha
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12:32<maaassie>themill?
12:32<ml|>soul: i know you are new to irc/linux just trying to explain the rules here
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12:33<jan>hello
12:33<soul>right you said read the topic
12:33<soul>which topic :S
12:33<themill>soul: /topic
12:33<jan>I've got a question about my Graphic
12:33<ml|>look at the very top
12:34<soul>okay thank you :D
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12:34<themill>maaassie: perhaps you should pastebin your sources.list
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12:34<maaassie>source list? :P
12:35<jan>I'm want to use 2 Graphiccards in my Computer. One on the ISA port and one on the AGP port. I need that for my flight-simulator. But when I start the Computer, just the Card on the ISA port works. Who can help me
12:35<themill>maaassie: the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
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12:35<maaassie>oh ok and how i do it? :P
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12:35<maaassie>I have the file sun-java6-plugin_6-12-1_i386.deb
12:35<soul>type in terminal sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
12:36<soul>i mean sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
12:36<maaassie>ok after?
12:37<bja> http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html
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12:41<soul>have no clue massie :P
12:41<maaassie>http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=d55c0146d
12:41<maaassie>here it is
12:42<themill>!non-free sources
12:42<dpkg>from memory, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
12:42<maaassie>oh
12:42<maaassie>ok ill try
12:43<soul>after you edit press ctrl+x to save the changes
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12:45<maaassie>done
12:45<maaassie>after what should i do?
12:45<themill>pastebin that file again if you want us to check it; run "aptitude update"
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12:47<maaassie>im actually installing the plugin with synaptic
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12:52<soul>yeah thats good idea :)
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12:52<maaassie>Sick
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12:52<maaassie>its work
12:53<maaassie>Thanks for your good help :P
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12:53<maaassie>thanks themill and soul
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12:55<themill>no worries
12:55<PCBuilder>hello
12:55<PCBuilder>I need help
12:56<maaassie>can you help me on changing keyboard language?
12:56<PCBuilder>Im want to use two graphic cards on my computer, one isa and one agp. but when I start the Computer just one works.
12:56<PCBuilder>can anyone help me
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12:57<PCBuilder>heeellooo
12:57<PCBuilder>CAN ANYONE HELP ME???
12:58<bja>!patience
12:58<dpkg>The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available.
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12:58<PCBuilder>ok sry
12:58<PCBuilder>;(
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13:05*g06|in is away: Away
13:05*g06|in is back (gone 00:00:12)
13:05<themill>g06|in: please turn that off in here
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13:06<g06|in>themill: sorry! think I turned it off now
13:06<themill>thanks
13:06<maaassie>So can anyone help me changing my keyboard language
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13:07<g06|in>the man page of start-stop-daemon lists "--iosched" as a recognized option! however, the --help at command line doesn't list it!
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13:08<themill>!keymap
13:08<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
13:08<themill>maaassie: ^^
13:08<maaassie>Yup
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13:12<Lenhix>Hello
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13:13<Lenhix>Does somboedy know how can I change the way find prints the {} (object name)? I want to create a filename using the found object but I'm getting foo_./object_bar and I want it without the ./ part
13:14<g06|in>Lenhix: you can pipe the output to sed and remove the part
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13:14<themill>Lenhix: or use -printf rather than -print
13:16<themill>(or -fprint0 even better!)
13:16<g06|in>the man-db job in /etc/cron.daily is failing in my system because start-stop-daemon doesn't recognize "--iosched idle" argument! however, the man page says it does support it. What am I missing?
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13:17<themill>g06|in: lenny?
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13:17<g06|in>themill: squeeze
13:17<Lenhix>themill: I tried that, but in -exec {} gets printed with ./ anyway
13:18<Lenhix>g06|in: I have various -exec actions
13:18<themill>Lenhix: you might need to use xargs for this
13:18<Lenhix>:(
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13:19<themill>g06|in: what version of "dpkg" do you have installed? (dpkg -l dpkg | tail -1)
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13:20<g06|in>1.15.3.1
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13:21<g06|in>themill: dpkg-query -W -f '${Version}' dpkg => 1.15.3.1 (got from the same man-db script)
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13:23<g06|in>Lenhix: did you really try what themill said? with -printf?
13:23<g06|in>find <path> ...options... -printf "%f\n"
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13:24<themill>that won't change how {} is used in -exec unfortunately
13:24<g06|in>themill: oh! I missed it
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13:26<Lenhix>If I could only use the -printf output inside -exec...
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13:26<g06|in>Lenhix: hahaa... you are trying to cram too many things into a single command :)
13:28<g06|in>Lenhix: cant you just move all of the exec options outside and pipe the find output to them?
13:28<g06|in>Lenhix: and if in case you just want the filename you can use -printf "%f\n"
13:28<Lenhix>I guess I'll have to take another option, yep.
13:28<Lenhix>I want to find folders, tar them, then bzip them (with special options, that's why I don't use -j in tar)
13:29<Lenhix>I'll do... find <blabla> | while read folder do <other stuff> done
13:30<g06|in>Lenhix: you are doing find <path> -type d ... right?
13:30*themill inserts some spaces into the filenames
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13:31<Lenhix>Yep g06|in, plus -maxdepth 1
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13:31<Lenhix>And two -exec's
13:31<Lenhix>that should fit in a loop of... 3 lines?
13:31<Qantouri1c>Is it possible to use dhcp but prevent it from puluting the /etc/resolv and route table ?
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13:32<themill>Qantouri1c: /msg dpkg overridedns
13:32<Lenhix>Oh
13:32<themill>Qantouri1c: err /msg dpkg override dns
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13:32<Qantouri1c>:)
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13:33<Qantouri1c>aaa ok thx
13:33<Qantouri1c>themill: and the routes ?
13:33<themill>dpkg, you suck
13:33<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
13:33<themill>Qantouri1c: sounds like you need to fix your dhcp server so that it's not sending screwy information, really
13:33<Qantouri1c>themill: it's sending correct information
13:33<Qantouri1c>themill: but it's hooked up to 2 internet connections :)
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13:35<themill>try looking in "man 5 dhclient.conf" to see if there are options for that; I don't know of any
13:35<Qantouri1c>themill: right,
13:35*Qantouri1c checks if the distro he is on now has the options
13:35<Qantouri1c>no differnt dhcp client :)
13:36<Qantouri1c>thx
13:36<Qantouri1c>i'll check if when i'm there again
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13:36<themill>Qantouri1c: you could also check other dhcp clients to see if they have more options (e.g. pump)
13:37<Qantouri1c>themill: it's fine really, it' most probably also has switches for other thinks, thank you
13:37<g06|in>themill: any pointers on the man-db problem?
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13:42<themill>g06|in: the version of start-stop-daemon that you should have installed supports that option. check "type -a start-stop-daemon" to make sure you don't have others around perhaps
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13:44<hadi>Hey what should i do with this ./unetbootin-linux-356: error while loading shared libraries: libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
13:44<g06|in>themill: interesting result "start-stop-daemon" not found!
13:44<Lenhix>Hey, how can I concatenate strings and variables in bash?
13:45<g06|in>Lenhix: testing="A""BC"; echo $testing
13:46<Lenhix>Uhm just writing em, ok. Thx g06|in
13:46<g06|in>Lenhix: you are welcome :)
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13:47<g06|in>themill: looks like I'm running start-stop-daemon version 1.14.25
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13:48<hadi>Hey what should i do with this ./unetbootin-linux-356: error while loading shared libraries: libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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13:52<hadi>anybody ?
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13:55<hadi>Hey what should i do with this ./unetbootin-linux-356: error while loading shared libraries: libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
13:55<jackyf>hadi: install the package from repositories
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13:56<hadi>repostories ? and what package
13:56<jackyf>suddenly, 'unetbootin'
13:57<hadi>found there?
13:57<hadi>not found
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14:05<jackyf>hadi: debian testing
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14:08<blue32>anyone know how to get ctrl alt backspace to work in 4.3? i reconfigured console-setup to accept it but it dont work:(
14:08<SnakDoc>is there a way to use net install in a virtual machine and once setup is complete create a image that could be used to install it on a machine ?
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14:13<mezod>can i use wget for ftp?
14:13<Hideo>yes
14:14<mezod>ok thanks
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14:15<Hideo>mezod: "man wget" can tell you more details than I can
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14:15<mezod>thx :)
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14:29<hadi>dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of unetbootin:
14:29<dpkg>hadi: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>.
14:29<hadi> unetbootin depends on libqt4-network (>= 4.5.1); however:
14:29<hadi> Package libqt4-network is not installed.
14:29<hadi> unetbootin depends on libqtcore4 (>= 4.5.1); however:
14:29<hadi> Package libqtcore4 is not installed.
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14:30<hadi>:) help
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14:35<themill>hadi: don't mix stable and testing/unstable.
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14:42<EmleyMoor>Is there an idiot's guide to setting up amanda to use DVD media?
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14:49<cahoot>http://www.sigsegv.cx/amanda-dvd-4.html ?
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14:50<EmleyMoor>Hmmm - will look at that but suspect I am going to have to get something working with amanda firsh
14:50<EmleyMoor>first
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15:24<smhar>greetings
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15:26<smhar>I have a problem with wifi in my lenny notebook. since my last apt-upgrade it stopped connecting to networks although it can detect them. It is always set to 'Roaming Mode Enabled' even when I try to change that.
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15:31<smhar_>I enabled ICS in windows and got the IP then used that to get eth1 set up as static and tried to bridge the two. but ... it did not work
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15:33<siliconblues>smhar: Network-Manager?
15:35<smhar_>My other solution is to run a live CD; ie ubuntu, which uses the wifi correctly and trying to chroot to the installed debian trying to upgrade it. I mounted all the important filesystems under /mnt an d chrooted to it. but still I can not get through to the internet
15:35<smhar_>siliconblues: yes
15:36<vook>I gave up on Network-Manager, nm-applet, others a while back. I ended up writing a primitive script - works so much better
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15:38<vook>just going through the manual process ('iwlist scanning', 'iwconfig' ,etc...) saves many headaches
15:38<smhar_>vook: I will learn to do that, but I need a working internet soon first
15:38<smhar_>my system vitals are here: http://paste.debian.net/45975/
15:38<weasel>vook: wicd works so much better than nm.
15:38<weasel>(that's not all that hard, given how broken nm is)
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15:40<wuseldusel>how do i remove mysql from init.d on debian?
15:40<weasel>move the Sxxmysql link to Kxxmysql in the runlevel you are using?
15:40<weasel>(I aussume that's what you really want.)
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15:42<smhar_>in the chroot, I get host not found. do I need to do any thing in the chrooted debian to make it aware of the internet in the host live ubuntu?
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15:44<vook>smhar_: here's my highly primitive script - you'd have to modify it greatly. http://paste.debian.net/45976/. It used to kill avahi, network-manager, dhcpcd, etc... /etc/resolv.conf.always contains static DNS settings, it could easily be replaced by something like 'echo nameserver some.dns.ip.address > /etc/resolv.conf'.
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15:44<vook>it works we'll - just requires some thought.
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15:45<vook>%s/we'
15:45<vook>we'll/well
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15:45<rudepeople>good morning gentlemen!
15:46<rudepeople>nvidia questions... always nvidia questions...
15:46<rudepeople>anyone here familliar with the module assistant installation process of the nvidia driver?
15:46<adb> >#nvidia on irc.freenode.net
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15:46<peppe46>ciao
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15:47<adb>peppe46, senza list
15:47<rudepeople>abd: nice... tell me, is this channel nvidia moderated/maintained or is there debian friendly information to be had here?
15:47<peppe46>come?
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15:48<adb>rudepeople, never used that channel
15:48<adb>peppe46, niente , scuzzi
15:48<rudepeople>Look: I only ask because I intend to build a package repository for an nvidia/nvidia-glx pachage (apt friendly)
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15:49<rudepeople>to do it, I intend to build a VM that regularly updates, then builds a new nvidia-module package and uploads it.
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15:49<rudepeople>I just need to know if module-assistant can be used to build a proper .deb file.
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15:50<adb>rudepeople, ask nvidia to free their driver , much simple
15:50<rudepeople>abd: is that sarcasm?
15:50<rudepeople>:P
15:50<adb>no
15:51<rudepeople>yeah... I believe I am in the wrong channel, I don't believe I will get the assistance I need here. thank you! :D
15:51<adb>if don'twant to do that , stop using that ctap
15:52<adb>crap *
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15:56<peppe46>I've a problem, I've to install java virtual machine on my Debian Lenny, but I'm unamble to find the sun-java6-plugin package through Synaptic, how can I do? Thanks!
15:56<Nemoder>!java
15:56<dpkg>it has been said that java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net.
15:56<themill>peppe46: i386? amd64?
15:56<peppe46>i386
15:57<themill>peppe46: lenny, I presume? You need to add non-free to your sources.list. /msg dpkg non-free sources
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15:58<peppe46>yes
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16:04<vook>weasel: thanks, i'm checking wicd out. do you know of any nice curses based clients ?
16:05<weasel>wicd-client.
16:05<weasel>wicd-curses.
16:05<vook>ooo!
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16:18*g06|in is away:
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16:19<Maulkin>g06|in: Please disable that auto-away. Thanks
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16:20<themill>g06|in: thought you said you fixed that one earlier?
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16:29<christoph>heya! is there a nice sommandlinetool to querry the battery state?
16:29<dondelelcaro>christoph: acpi will do it, there are a few others
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16:30<christoph>dondelelcaro: perfect, thanks
16:31<christoph>powertop is so inaccurate without runnign for hours :-/
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16:34<bja>christoph: acpi -V
16:35<bja>christoph: powertop will show you what are the prgramms that are disturbing the most the cpu, retriving it from the deepsleep states
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16:36<Hideo>christoph: powertop seems to be unmaintained, the bug where it would report 200+ W usage is still there since forever
16:37<dirk_>I can't load the fglrx module -- it doesn't seem that I am the only one: http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbugs.debian.org%2F538431&ei=Sm6lSvaYLMGQjAflzqGnDg&rct=j&q=%22FATAL%3A+Error+inserting+fglrx+(%2Flib%2Fmodules%2F2.6.30-1-686%2Fnonfree%2Ffglrx%2Ffglrx.ko)%3A+Cannot+allocate+memory%22&usg=AFQjCNEWAhNPi75ovA1SIi0lriuT7Pug1A - but there need to be a way to fix this?
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16:39<dondelelcaro>!dbugs 538431
16:39<dpkg>#538431:I[fglrx-modules-2.6.30-1-686] fglrx-modules-2.6.30-1-686: Module fails to load and reports "Cannot allocate memory" (); Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:39:01 UTC []
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16:40<dirk_>word. no way around it?
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16:45<dondelelcaro>dirk_: you could try finding out what the problem actually is, and then fixing it, but so far no one has said anything.
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16:45<dirk_>dondelelcaro, I am installing the driver straight from ati.com now... hope it will work.
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17:01<xeon-enouf>it's prolly mtrr related
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17:05<tmc>hi
17:05<cahalan>hi
17:05<tmc>wats happening
17:06<cahalan>tmc: irssi at least looks pretty, and doesn't trash where I'm typing
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17:06<cahalan>tmc: still no X
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17:06<tmc>wat?!
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17:07<locsmif>Hi all. I'm trying to install Quanta, but I can't find it anymore.. Install kdewebdev only gave me some stuff under /usr/share/doc/kdewebdev... What's up? Running Unstable..
17:07<cahalan>tmc: I really wish my X server would run.
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17:08<cahalan>locsmif: look for a name change; Quanta is the name of some corporation AFAIK
17:08<xeon-enouf>yeah, type something into iceweasel address bar, or even search engine bar; *pause*studder*cough*choke*gag*vomit*upchuck*die*
17:08<tmc>have u tried using the .tar
17:10<locsmif>cahalan, yeah there is quanta-data or so, but that too seems to be not useful
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17:10<tmc>wat is quanta
17:11<locsmif>A KDE-based HTML editor..
17:11<dirk_>some devil told to upgrade to squeeze, but fglrx doesn't work with it, so I would like to go back to stable -- is there some easy way to downgrade to stable?
17:11<tmc>try kompozer
17:11<locsmif>The package is still in Stable, but there was some kind of change or so
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17:12<bja>dirk_: clean install
17:12<cahalan>tmc: Quanta is a computer company
17:12<dirk_>bja: what do you mean? :-)
17:13<bja>dirk_: the only way back from squezze to lenny is a clean install of lenny
17:13<cahalan>bja: as a software developer I can understand, but you know that's a terrible answer :-(
17:13<bja>there is no downgrade road, and i believe there will not be
17:13<dirk_>bja: that is: rm -rf / ????
17:14<bja>well, not exactly at least skip /etc and /home
17:14<dirk_>good damn it. I will never again use testing.
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17:14<bja>for the sake of brevity and avoiding trouble reconfiguring packages
17:15<tmc>wen i install lxde, it says i am attached to wired not wireless
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17:16<bja>cahalan: you are right
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17:17<Tekla>i get "Bad archive mirror" error during the install :(
17:17<Tekla>i gave it the exact same mirror i use on another box
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17:17<Tekla>ftp.debian.de/debian/
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17:18<bja>Tekla: paste the whole lin
17:18<bja>e
17:18<Tekla>i can't really paste .. i'm connected via KVM but i'll replicate it as good as i can
17:19<Tekla>[!!] Choose a mirror of the Debian archive
17:19<Tekla>Bad archive mirror
17:19<bja>Tekla: only the line on /etc/apt/sources.list~
17:19<Tekla>The specified Debian archive mirror is either not available, or does not have a valid Release file on it. Please try a different mirror.
17:20<Tekla><Go Back> <Continue>
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17:20<Tekla>hmm
17:21<Tekla>i opened a console but am not really sure where to find the apt/sources.list :\
17:21<cahalan>Tekla: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
17:21<bja>Tekla: look for this line
17:21<bja>deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
17:22<Tekla>there's no /etc/apt but i don't think there needs to be .. it's still the fs/stuff the installer created for itself
17:22<cahalan>Tekla: cat /*/etc/apt/sources.list
17:23<Tekla>no such file
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17:23<cahalan>Tekla: cat /*/*/etc/apt/sources.list
17:23<valdyn>wtf
17:23<Tekla>still nothing
17:24<bja>Tekla: locate sources.list
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17:24<cahalan>Tekla: could be the problem :-)
17:24<Tekla>i haven't even gotten to the part where i fdisk the hdd
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17:25<valdyn>Tekla: bad archive mirror probably means that you have no proper network setup
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17:25<Tekla>that's what i thought at first but i can ping the box
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17:25<Tekla>let me try ssh :)
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17:25<valdyn>Tekla: but can the box ping ftp.debian.org ?
17:25<Tekla>nope...
17:26<Tekla>good point :)
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17:26<Tekla>meah .. if there was a ping i could test ;)
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17:33<cahalan>Freetype not available for X in sid? I get this:
17:33<cahalan>(EE) Failed to load module "freetype" (module does not exist, 0)
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17:50<valdyn>cahalan: why would freetype be an X module?
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17:59<cahalan>valdyn: so X can render fonts (freetype is in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf, where it worked before the "upgrade")
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18:00<InkBottle>I've got the most silly question: I've installed Nautilus (it is the first time, I was previously using Kde). I'm surprised nautilus doesn't looks like it should: for instance there is no button bar, and I don't see how to make it visible. The same for tabbed browsing. In fact it is +only+ rectangular windows with icon's files inside. So my question is what have I missed?
18:00<cahalan>valdyn: type 1 fonts also fail:
18:00<cahalan>(EE) Failed to load module "type1" (module does not exist, 0)
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18:00<InkBottle>it is Nautilus 2.26.3
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18:03<cahalan>InkBottle: no idea, but I use GNOME without Nautilus. GNOME doesn't mandate the use of a filesystem browser.
18:04<cahalan>well, I'd use GNOME if X still worked
18:04<InkBottle>cahalan, :)
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18:06<InkBottle>I'm going to try #gnome
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18:11<InkBottle>cahalan, and what file browser do you use?
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18:14<cahalan>My IRC client is irrsi. I did "/join #xorg" and found nothing. "/help" gave nothing. "/quit" killed the client. How do I get rid of one channel or switch to a channel?
18:14-!-lanthan_ [~ze@p54B7CAA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:14<themill>"/part" to leave a channel
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18:15<cahalan>themill: thanks. No idea about switching?
18:15<themill>! irssi
18:15<dpkg>irssi is probably the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . See also http://irssi.org/documentation/faq . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi on open.ircnet.net and irc.freenode.net.
18:16<themill>(I don't use it, so no)
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18:16<cahalan>I hope that works with lynx... :-(
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18:19<locsmif>cahalan, ctrl-n ctrl-p
18:19<locsmif>next, previous
18:20<locsmif>if you have a window with a dead channel (disconnected server or so), use /win kill ... be careful with that
18:20<locsmif>to connect to an additional server, use /connect irc.server.orf
18:20<locsmif>to connect to an additional server, use /connect irc.server.org
18:21<locsmif>etc. etc.
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18:21*locsmif bbl
18:22<cahalan>thanks
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18:31<rudepeople>There is one glaring reason I have yet to successfully install Debian on my Laptop... the nvidia drivers. Last night, I decided to try again. and what ensued has been the typical failure in my endevors for the last 2 years. I ask what the best method for installing the driver was, I was first taunted for not knowing in advance. THEN I get a helpful person who directs me to an article that is obfuscated and flawed. I am also told that I need to
18:31<rudepeople>utilize the SID repo to successfully use the article (the reason the article is flawed as it does not mention this ANYWHERE in it.) I muddle through the article, break my install, and start over the next day. And CUESS WHAT?!? the next day I get ANOTHER "helpful" individual who pushes me to use the nvidia installer. it's 50/50 if I get the "debian way" suggestion or the "nvidia way" suggestion and NEITHER WORK!!!
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18:33<cahalan>rudepeople: the non-Debian installer will screw your system severely as soon as you update the X server
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18:33<rudepeople>so at this point I am fairly certain I know what is required to fix this for everyone... someone needs to build an nvidia-module package so no one has to deal with the useless module-assistant or the broken gcc symlink.
18:34<cahalan>rudepeople: the Debian installer is somewhat less likely to make a mess
18:34<rudepeople>and you know what? I'm more than happy to be said person. I just need help building the first module into a package and then I can HOST it on my domain.
18:34<themill>rudepeople: no-one here should tell you to use the "nvidia way". It should definitely not be a 50:50 problem
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18:35<cahalan>rudepeople: Yeah, sort of. If properly done though, it will often prevent you from upgrading. (better than letting things get trashed though)
18:35<rudepeople>so... (and no, I'm not ignoring you, I need to get this all out) who's willing to "hand hold" me through this?
18:36<rudepeople>bear in mind, my goal is to build a .deb that can be installed on ANY debian system to give the module WITHOUT the use of module-assistant.
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18:36<cahalan>rudepeople: find out where the debian developers are; you need one (or a recently retired one)
18:36<themill>umm... m-a is the way that we're going to help you with
18:36<rudepeople>I can live with that.
18:36<themill>rudepeople: first of all: what card is this for ("lspci -nn" would be helpful) and what kernel?
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18:37<rudepeople>I'll need a few minutes. I'm almost done with the reinstall after last night's fail.
18:38<rudepeople>I am installing from a DVD squeeze installer, suffice it to say, it's old (4 months).
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18:41<rudepeople>BTW: the reason I'm starting with an older installer is I want to build the package, update, build a second package, nuke 'n pave, then test BOTH packages. if it works, I will be able to update, both packages will auto update and there will be NO muss later on.
18:42<rudepeople>eventually I'll build an automate a machine to perform this task on a weekly schedule so there will always be an updated module available.
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18:43<themill>rudepeople: due to the non-free nature of the nvidia driver, it's not uncommon for the driver to not compile against various kernels. The packaging for the driver may also have changed so you may need to vary what you are doing
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18:44<rudepeople>I'm not worried about it. I have been pretty successful in automation, I just need a process that WORKS to begin with.
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18:46<themill>so why piss about with old versions of the packages then?
18:47<rudepeople>I need a proof of consept which requires an update for confirmation.
18:47<rudepeople>I don't want to wait for the next kernel update.
18:47<themill>and I'm trying to tell you that what you're doing with the old packages might not be useful for that proof of concept.
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18:48<rudepeople>so what do you recommend?
18:49<themill>rudepeople: how about you just get it working with the latest packages for now as it should be working quite happily (with a squeeze/sid mix) right now.
18:49<cahalan>rudepeople: personally, I recommend you help me fix X. I could be biased. http://pastebin.com/f755b15
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18:51<rudepeople>cahalan: I need to see your xorg.conf file please.
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18:51<cahalan>xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/f464297e0
18:52<cahalan>error log file http://pastebin.com/f7797bc54
18:52<rudepeople>first off, rem out the "Load "freetype"" and "Load "type1""
18:53<rudepeople>you don't have them on your system... they're not hurting anything to be there, but they also are useless...
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18:54<cahalan>rudepeople: OK, but I'd rather they NOT be useless (they used to work AFAIK)
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18:54<rudepeople>cahalan: can I see the output of lspci?
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18:55<cahalan>lspci -vvv http://pastebin.com/f23368d46
18:55<rudepeople>wow... your "monitor" section is totally ganked!
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18:56<cahalan>it worked before I updated Debian
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18:58<rudepeople>ok... first off, you put WAY too much effort in specifying your display settings, the ati driver doesn't care about your display, (though I can see you have a rather attractive one). I recommend you run xconfig and allow x to reconfigure itself properly. then focus on your display adapter configurations, the only things the ati driver needs for monitor is the basic refresh settings dpi, and res.
18:59<rudepeople>X is breaking on the display, it doesn't think it can talk to the display.
18:59<cahalan>rudepeople: no "xconfig" command
18:59<rudepeople>hang on...
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19:00<rudepeople>starting my VM...
19:00<cahalan>rudepeople: X looks at /dev/fb0 (a single ioctl or fcntl) and moves on
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19:02<ichdasich>hi
19:03<ichdasich>i'm looking for a way to prevent apt-get from using ipv6 mirrors (ipv6-uplink currently down, need internal v6, so i cant disable it)
19:04<ichdasich>i've already been looking through the apt-manpages, but didn't find anything usefull.
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19:04<rudepeople>cahalan: wow, I'm sorry, you're right, there is no xconfig. I KNOW your problem is in the display configuration, xorg just doesn't know how to address the display, but beyond that, I am clueless.
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19:07<rudepeople>cahalan: have you tried deleting (after backing up of course) the xorg.conf file and then startx? that should kick off the xorg configuration allowing you to reconfigure the display. in theiry it will build the conf file to include the needed ati settings.
19:07<cahalan>rudepeople: tried w/o xorg.conf and got nearly the same thing
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19:08<sney>X -configure is the command to generate a new xorg.conf
19:08<sney>some distros alias it to xconfig
19:08<rudepeople>thank you.
19:10<cahalan>rudepeople: you'll love this one http://pastebin.com/f2349e60f
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19:11<mish>Does anyone know of any 'hardware burn-in test' software for linux, I just want to place a decent IO load on the system for a while
19:11<abrotman>mish: compile a kernel or two
19:11<cahalan>rudepeople: signal 7 is SIGBUS
19:11<rudepeople>holy crap on a steek!!! did it use the same conf file after you renamed it?!?
19:12<cahalan>libint10.so(LockLegacyVGA+0x50) <-- obviously bad, since I lack a VGA BIOS
19:12<rudepeople>agreed...
19:12<rudepeople>wait...
19:12<rudepeople>not necessarily...
19:12<cahalan>rudepeople: unlikely it saw my /etc/X11/xorg.conf.albert file
19:13<rudepeople>ok... clearly I have no clue what is going on then.
19:14<cahalan>rudepeople: in case you didn't notice: Linux is using a framebuffer console. This is a PowerPC Mac.
19:14<rudepeople>My suggestion at this point is try the vesa driver, open synaptic, nuke and reinstall the ati driver.
19:14<cahalan>rudepeople: there is no VESA. That's an x86 BIOS thing.
19:14<rudepeople>I did, and it shouldn't matter.
19:15<rudepeople>THAT matters... no vesa in PPC?
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19:15<cahalan>rudepeople: nope, none.
19:15<sney>the vga "vesa" driver should make the ati card work in the most basic fashion
19:16<sney>since you're not trying to use it for the mac's fbdev, and ati gpus are basically platform independent
19:16<rudepeople>crap... you=screwed. I am outside my abilities in ppc, I have exactly zero expieriance.
19:16<cahalan>sney: There is no VESA, no x86 VGA BIOS, no legacy VGA IO ports, etc.
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19:16<rudepeople>sney: he's right, look at the list of available drivers in his last pastebin. no vesa, no vga
19:16<sney>yeah
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19:17<cahalan>thing is, that xorg.conf WORKED before updating Debian
19:18<sney>heh, it was probably bypassing it somehow, or they took some legacy idiotproofing measure out of X in an update
19:18<cahalan>no change to the kernel, kernel drivers, or boot video mode either
19:18<sney>fbdev is *I think* the fallback basic driver equivalent to x86's vesa
19:18<sney>and radeon should give basic r100-level function on a newish ati card
19:18<sney>but man it has been forever since I did anything X-related on ppc
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19:19<rudepeople>I've never touched a PPC...
19:19<cahalan>sney: yes, fbdev is like VESA but w/o the BIOS code. It uses a kernel driver.
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19:19<rudepeople>sometime I should point you to the parable of the OS...
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19:19<cahalan>sney: I think an x86 person can run fbdev on top of VESA.
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19:20<sney>and I remember using fbdev on sparc when the elite3d I was using was being silly about dri
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19:20<sney>most arches can use a framebuffer one way or another
19:21<rudepeople>http://dailydffr.net/2008/09/19/the-analogy-of-the-os
19:21<cahalan>Normally the idea is that fbdev is the dumb kernel driver. X should be able to use that alone, or ask the kernel lay off the hardware so that the ATI driver can run things directly.
19:21<sney>so what happens if you mv your old xorg.conf out of /etc/X11 (just so nobody tries to be smart) and generate a new one with X -configure
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19:23<cahalan>sney: it wasn't grabbing the old file; it made a new one (and then got SIGBUS)
19:23<sney>hmm
19:24<rudepeople>at this point, I think the ati driver is borked... I have no idear if you can reinstall it from cli.
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19:24<sney>rage 128 huh
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19:25<sney>if "ati" appears borked then the solution is usually to reinstall X entirely, since it's one of the bundle guys and you don't really know exactly where the problem is
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19:27<sney>cahalan: probably won't change anything, but try switching the driver from 'ati' to 'r128'
19:27<cahalan>sney: I have reinstalled X. Maybe that didn't wipe out 100% of the old config.
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19:28<cahalan>OK. The generated file uses that. I'm going to try that file with the UseFBDev line from the other.
19:28<sney>good luck
19:28<cesurasean>I need to build the new apache from source, how do I know what the package name is to pull the source files?
19:29<cesurasean>I've tried apache-2.2-common, but that doesn't seem to do anything.
19:29<cahalan>nope, but at least not a SIGBUS
19:29<cesurasean>is that because I already have 2.2 sources in my /usr/src?
19:29<sney>what'd it give you this time
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19:30<cahalan>sney: http://pastebin.com/f120f3182
19:30<sney>whee
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19:31<cahalan>sney: Xorg.0.log is http://pastebin.com/f5b9f1656
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19:31<sney>cahalan: and can I see your current xorg.conf as well
19:32<cahalan>sney: xorg.conf for that one try is http://pastebin.com/f14d06511
19:33<cahalan>(generated by "X -configure" and edited to enable fbdev)
19:34<sney>hmm
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19:34<sney>lines 221-229 of Xorg.O.log seem relevant
19:35<cahalan>sney: lines 221-229 of Xorg.O.log are after the error; the error is silent
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19:36<sney>228 and 229 are the error that gives the "no screens found" result - I assume /dev/fb0 is valid, you could try symlinking it from /dev/fb1 and see what happens
19:36<cahalan>sney: there should be a "(EE) /dev/fb0 rejected because X is screwed" line right above that
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19:37<cahalan>sney: I did run "strace -ff -o /tmp/xs startx" and see that /dev/fb0 was opened.
19:38<sney>but fbdevhw rejected it for some reason. weird. it's an integrated gpu, right? one of those little dinky everything-on-one-board macs?
19:39<cesurasean>I need to build the new apache from source, how do I know what the package name is to pull the source files?
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19:39<abrotman>cesurasean: you dn't have to .. apt-get source <pkgname>
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19:40<cesurasean>how do I know what the package name is? is it just apache2?
19:40<cesurasean>apt-get source apache2?
19:40<cesurasean>I'm trying apt-get build-dep apache2
19:40<abrotman>just told you .. you don't have to
19:41<cesurasean>but nothing comes up
19:41<abrotman>apache2 is a metapackage
19:41<cesurasean>well, I really need apache-2.2-common
19:41<cesurasean>but, I think it goes by a different name under Debian now
19:41<weasel>the source is probably still called apache2.
19:42<cesurasean>server:/usr/src# apt-get build-dep apache2
19:42<cesurasean>Reading package lists... Done
19:42<cesurasean>Building dependency tree
19:42<cesurasean>Reading state information... Done
19:42<cesurasean>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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19:42<cahalan>sney: it's an AGP card. The only odd things about it: no VGA BIOS, and DVI through a non-standard connector that carries power for the display
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19:42<weasel>cesurasean: so clearly all the build-deps are installed. rejoice.
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19:42<cesurasean>it doesn't seem to pick up on apache2, ore apache-2.2-common either
19:42<cahalan>sney: kernel boot messages grepped for stuff that might matter http://pastebin.com/f377ea5a9
19:43<sney>looks like the kernel is confused by it
19:43<cahalan>sney: this is the Mac G4 Cube
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19:43<cahalan>sney: this is the same kernel I used to run X with
19:43<sney>I gotta go, I might have more ideas when I get back
19:44<cahalan>sney: I'd love to hear any, even lame ones
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19:47<cesurasean>how do I find out what installed apache's name is?
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19:47<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: what do you mean by "installed apache's name"?
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19:48<cahalan>cesurasean: find / -xdev -name \*pach\*
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19:48<cesurasean>apache2, apache2.2.3, and apache-2.2-common are not working.
19:49<themill>cesurasean: btw, why are you trying to rebuild apache anyway
19:49<cesurasean>I need to know the installed package name under apt...
19:49<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: not working in what way?
19:49<cesurasean>because
19:49<cesurasean>ive done this before
19:49<cesurasean>Failed to save enabled features : The Suexec command on your system is configured to only run scripts under /var/www, but the Virtualmin base directory is /home. CGI and PHP scripts run as domain owners will not be executed.
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19:50<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: so build a custom suexec (or use suexec-conf) and divert the existing one
19:50<cesurasean>what do you mean?
19:50<dondelelcaro>err, use apache2-suexec-custom, rather
19:50<cesurasean>explain better, please.
19:50<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: there's no need to install your own apache to do that. Just use the ones we already provide, and instead of apache2-suexec, use apache2-suexec-custom
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19:51<cesurasean>where do I set /home in apache2-suexec-custom?
19:51<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: it has a conffile and documentation that you can configure
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19:53<cesurasean>ok, installed. how do I know where the config file is?
19:53<cesurasean>or conffile as you say
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19:53<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: dpkg -L or see /usr/share/doc/apache2-suexec-custom/
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19:56<cahalan>sney: original strace of X failure, grep for fb: http://pastebin.com/f31cef8a6
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20:00<cesurasean>ha
20:00<cesurasean>I can't figure out how to configure apache2-suexec-custom.
20:00<cesurasean>ive even googled it, and tried the find command
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20:10<cesurasean>how do I set up the config file for apache2-suexec-custom?
20:10<cesurasean>I'm googlin my buns off, and can't find anything that tells me.
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20:11<bja>cesurasean: install apache-doc and http://localhost/manual you should find something
20:15<cesurasean>no luck looking in the docs
20:17<bja>cesurasean: try directly on http://www.apache.org
20:18<themill>cesurasean: you presumably looked in /etc/apache2/suexec/www-data
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20:18<themill>(and man 8 suexec)
20:19<cesurasean>yes
20:19<cesurasean>ive looked in there
20:19<cesurasean>I did a find on apache2-suexec-custom
20:19<cesurasean>and can't seem to find any type of config file....
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20:19<cesurasean>no results via google, etc
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20:21<cesurasean>wait
20:21<cesurasean>you're right
20:22<cesurasean>that is the config file, I just overlooked it.
20:22<cesurasean>:)
20:22<cahalan>is there an X.org channel around here somewhere?
20:22<cahalan>is there an X.org channel around here somewhere? or one for fbdev/framebuffer maybe?
20:22<themill>cesurasean: that is one of the config files. Check "man 8 suexec" for details
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20:33<chealer>cahalan: #xorg
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20:34<xeon-enouf>in /var/lib/dpkg/info/
20:35<xeon-enouf>sorry, wrong window heh
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20:40<cahalan>chealer: I get #xorg all to myself.
20:41<sney>cahalan: he means on freenode, probably.
20:41<sney>there's probably also a powerpc channel or two that might be able to help you
20:42<cahalan>sney: #debianppc is very dead
20:42<sney>the Gentoo ppc guys used to be really good, but since gentoo is basically defunct now I don't know if they're still there
20:42<sney>since your problem is with xorg it isn't distro-specific
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21:34<maaassie>Hey can someone help me?
21:35<maaassie>Need to install an internal .deb with synaptic
21:35<maaassie>Im doing something wrong and i dont know where lol
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21:37<neoeinstein>HI
21:38<rpd>wiki.debian.org seems to be offline, anybody know about this?
21:40<abrotman>rpd: it's planned
21:40<neoeinstein>it's the administration occupying the bandwidth with pornography
21:40-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
21:40<neoeinstein>then the server got offline
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21:41<rpd>abrotman: thanks, I will check back later.
21:41<abrotman>eh .. did that backwards
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21:46<maaassie>Anyone know how to install Dvdman?
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22:12<qlurker>who's on first?
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22:31<qlurker>So, I walked in to a hot CPU yesterday, found many ssh-scan procs running (and a bunch of apport instances), all from a script called /var/tmp/delles/a
22:32<sney>you got h4x3d
22:32<ichdasich>qlurker: sounds like you've been owned.
22:32<ichdasich>qlurker: pull the plug, mirror the disks, and set it up again
22:33<sney>pwnz0r3d
22:34<qlurker>yup; wire came out; new disk went in; all ports closed (except 22) for now; installed ubuntu jaunty.
22:35<cahalan>qlurker: Cool! (I can say that because it's not me. My X server being dead is not cool.)
22:35<qlurker>wire is back in now; most systems back up now; just wondering: what kind of data could have been pilfered?
22:36<sney>depends on what you had
22:36<ichdasich>qlurker: the question, you should ask your self is: how did they get in?
22:36<cahalan>qlurker: they can install a firefox extension to interact with your bank/broker/paypal
22:37<qlurker>not much, photos; most important stuff was in vim encrypted passwd files.
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22:37<cahalan>qlurker: they can hack vim to collect your password or to do stuff while you have the file open
22:37<qlurker>I'm thinking they came in via http, maybe through ssh, I was running an older vers of openssh (lazy)
22:39<qlurker>Since I reinstalled (on another partition), have closed all ports, wont' be running any binaries from that installation, am I safe?
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22:40<cahalan>qlurker: theoretically, no. Realistically, yes.
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22:41<cahalan>qlurker: for example, your .bashrc isn't a binary, but it could have a backdoor. The same goes for X startup files. Even your IRC client could have a modified config file that does... stuff.
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22:43<cahalan>qlurker: if they were really evil, they'd edit your photo collection and then tell the police
22:43<abrotman>qlurker: which version of debian ?
22:43<qlurker>cahalan: yeah I was just thinking of all the .doc/.xls files (and the wife's computer), not to mention bash scripts
22:44<qlurker>cahalan: lol, that's eevil.
22:44<qlurker>was 7.10, now 9.4
22:44<qlurker>I was updating as I went
22:44<qlurker>it was getting crusty though
22:44<abrotman>qlurker: please go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net for Ubuntu support
22:45<qlurker>thx for the help, leter
22:45<qlurker>l8ter
22:46<cahalan>abrotman: know how much Ubuntu deviates from Debian these days? Year by year it's more, right?
22:47<abrotman>don't care .. it's not Debian .. that makes it offtopic here
22:48<qlurker>wasn't needing ubuntu-specific help necessarily, but yeah I was offtopic
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23:03<allfree>alguem ae mexe com bt4?
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23:18<tuxlord>Can anyone Possibly assist me?
23:18<ml|>!ask
23:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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23:19<tuxlord>lol good i am running 5.0.2
23:19<tuxlord>and my issue is my sound card keeps failing
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23:22<gEn_Eterm>good day folks
23:22<gEn_Eterm>need help plz
23:22<tuxlord>good day
23:22<tuxlord>with?
23:22<gEn_Eterm>ok i explain my prob
23:22<tuxlord>ok
23:22<gEn_Eterm>i got a desktop with 2 network cards
23:22<tuxlord>mmhmmm
23:22<gEn_Eterm>1 cant work but
23:22<gEn_Eterm>linux seem thecard eth0
23:23<gEn_Eterm>theother one, i just bought it today
23:23<gEn_Eterm>i put it in the pc and the system recognize too
23:23<gEn_Eterm>okey so i got this 2 cards
23:23<gEn_Eterm>when i connect my wire
23:23<gEn_Eterm>to the interface eth1 the good one
23:24<clarity>does iceweasel crash a lot for other people too?
23:24<gEn_Eterm>i cant connect
23:24<konnus>it runs fine for me
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23:25<clarity>konnus, what version?
23:25<tuxlord>check your net conn... tell me if it is at least sending
23:25<clarity>i'm using lenny
23:25<konnus>gen, do you have the drivers installed and up to date?
23:25<konnus>i am using sidux
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23:25<gEn_Eterm>konnus... can i got drivers uptodate ...
23:25<gEn_Eterm>if i cant connect my pc to inet
23:25<clarity>konnus, "sid" ?
23:25<konnus>its based on sid yes
23:26<clarity>yeah... it seems like testing is more stable for some things
23:26<konnus>download the drivers from a pc that has a internet connection and move them to it on a usb drive
23:26<gEn_Eterm>konnus, linux can see the card
23:26<gEn_Eterm>i can see it and works
23:26<gEn_Eterm>its already in the ifconfig list
23:26<konnus>can you ping?
23:26<gEn_Eterm>eth1
23:26<gEn_Eterm>letme test
23:27<chealer>!tell gEn_Eterm about enter
23:27<gEn_Eterm>yep i can
23:28<gEn_Eterm>i try ping localhost
23:28<gEn_Eterm>and works fine
23:28<chealer>clarity: not really. I got it to crash for a first time since forever (or at least several months), but that was clearly due to Adobe Flash
23:28<konnus>try a ping to google or something like that
23:28<konnus>lol adobe
23:28<gEn_Eterm>i cant
23:29<gEn_Eterm>becouse i got a ip 169.254. bla bla
23:29<konnus>dhcp
23:29<konnus>you have an apipa
23:29<gEn_Eterm>ye i got dhcp
23:29<konnus>no, you dont
23:29<tuxlord>lol
23:29<konnus>try resetting your router
23:30<tuxlord>there you go!!!
23:30<gEn_Eterm>yes i got dhcp
23:30<gEn_Eterm>lemme explain to you
23:30<tuxlord>lol
23:30<gEn_Eterm>i got 2 machines
23:30<gEn_Eterm>1 with debian desktop another with debian and winxp laptop
23:30<konnus>yes...
23:30<gEn_Eterm>i can connect easy the cable to debian in the laptop
23:30<gEn_Eterm>and works fine
23:30<gEn_Eterm>with the eth0
23:30<gEn_Eterm>by dhcp
23:31<gEn_Eterm>but i tried here and doesnt work...
23:31<gEn_Eterm>i dont think its a router problem
23:31<konnus>http://compnetworking.about.com/cs/protocolsdhcp/g/bldef_apipa.htm
23:31<gEn_Eterm>can you plz tellme another option ?
23:32<konnus>When a DHCP server fails, APIPA allocates addresses in the private range 169.254.0.1 to 169.254.255.254.
23:32<gEn_Eterm>ohh
23:32<gEn_Eterm>letme read
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23:32<gEn_Eterm>okey i read
23:33<konnus>try a router reset
23:33<gEn_Eterm>you think thats the final solution?
23:33<gEn_Eterm>i will do it if ur 99.99%
23:33<gEn_Eterm>tuxlord, any comment?
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23:34<tuxlord>lsl
23:34<konnus>its a possible solution that does not involve really any work
23:34<tuxlord>its your only option at this point
23:34<gEn_Eterm>ok i will try
23:35<gEn_Eterm>brb
23:35<tuxlord>..could it hurt?
23:35<tuxlord>now I have an issue
23:35<konnus>no
23:35<tuxlord>any care to listen?
23:35<konnus>what issue is this?
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23:36<tuxlord>I have had my debian 5.0.2
23:36<tuxlord>for about a month now
23:36<tuxlord>and twice now my sound card has crashed
23:36<tuxlord>first time I fixed manuelly
23:37<tuxlord>by reconfiguring
23:37<tuxlord>through alsaconf
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23:37<tuxlord>2nd I just reinstalled debian
23:37-!-[1]gEn_Eterm [HydraIRC@cpe-000ffeb1d43f.cpe.cableonda.net] has joined #debian
23:37<tuxlord>and had it configure itself auto mattedly
23:37<[1]gEn_Eterm>why?
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23:38<tuxlord>and now it has shit on me again
23:38-!-Texou [~Texou@pat35-5-78-226-56-130.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: ++]
23:38<tuxlord>...help
23:38<konnus>if you nuke the config file would it not rebuild it automatically?
23:38<tuxlord>yes but it still crashes
23:39<konnus>oh, did you get your interwebs working gen?
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23:39<[1]gEn_Eterm>konnus, tuxlord, thx you but i got another question
23:39<[1]gEn_Eterm>why that desition?
23:39<konnus>why what?
23:40<tuxlord>huh?
23:40<[1]gEn_Eterm>it solved the problem
23:40<[1]gEn_Eterm>but why reset the routeR?
23:40<tuxlord>good
23:40<tuxlord>it pings itself
23:40<konnus>yeah, a 169 ip is a automatic private ip adress
23:40<[1]gEn_Eterm>yep i understand that
23:40<konnus>which is the fallback for when a dhcp server fails in windows
23:41<konnus>and resetting the router is like the easiest fix for that problem so.. go with the easiest and work from there
23:41<tuxlord>lol
23:42<tuxlord>konnus: veteran?
23:42<konnus>of what?
23:42<tuxlord>of Deb
23:42<konnus>lol, been using it for about 3 days
23:42<tuxlord>lol
23:42<tuxlord>damn
23:42<tuxlord>faulty sound drivers
23:43<tuxlord>upgraded packages dont help
23:43<konnus>well, i figured the 169 ip would be universal
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23:43<tuxlord>okay well...
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23:43<konnus>and hell, router resets are like band-aids
23:43<konnus>they fix everything
23:43<gEn_Eterm>ahaaaah
23:44<am>Hi to all,how to make hot standby server/backup server in Linux?
23:44<konnus>anyone else play secondlife?
23:44<gEn_Eterm>me
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23:45<tuxlord>NEED DEBIAN VETERAN
23:45<konnus>well, i installed my nvidia driver, ran apt-get update, before and after installing the 32 bit compatibility libs and i cant run the program still =/
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23:46<konnus>"Window creation error"
23:46<gEn_Eterm>update or upgrade?
23:46<tuxlord>stick with windows for gaming
23:46<gEn_Eterm>tuxcrafter, second life runs native on linux
23:46<gEn_Eterm>konnus, put in console
23:46<gEn_Eterm>glxgears
23:46<tuxlord>ah a mod game app huh?
23:46<gEn_Eterm>and post me 2 result
23:47<konnus>getting ~5500 fps
23:47<gEn_Eterm>what nvidia do you have?
23:47<konnus>8600
23:47<gEn_Eterm>i will install the same video card
23:48<konnus>its a laptop
23:48<gEn_Eterm>now im updating the repost
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23:48<gEn_Eterm>you should have more than 90k
23:48<gEn_Eterm>u can run compiz?
23:48<konnus>installing now
23:49<gEn_Eterm>may be when you update the distro
23:49<gEn_Eterm>some libs or stuffs stay wrong
23:49<gEn_Eterm>and you have to recompile the drivers
23:49<gEn_Eterm>to work fine again
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23:58<bryant_>I NEED A DEBIAN VET.
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