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00:29<d3co>!hi
00:29<dpkg>hello, d3co
00:29<d3co>long time
00:30<d3co>:)
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00:46<tuxlord>Good Evening all
00:47<tuxlord>kdkd
00:47<tuxlord>kdkb
00:47<tuxlord>????
00:47<tuxlord>exit
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01:46<c4ntik_92>HAII
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01:47<c4ntik_92>HAII!!!!
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01:49<c4ntik_92>HAII
01:50<c4ntik_92>MET CIANKKKKK
01:52<c4ntik_92>HAII
01:53<c4ntik_92>HAII
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01:59<ay>HAII
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02:39<amol>hi to all,is there any linux tool to do performance benchmarking for debian?
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02:52<the-dude>amol: what do you want to benchmark>
02:52<xeon-enouf>amol: maybe look at lbs.sourceforge.net
02:53<amol>the-dude, system performance
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03:00<the-dude>anything specific? cause system performance is kinda "global"
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03:14<Woet>I'm trying to install php5-imap, but it has unmet dependencies:
03:14<Woet> php5-imap: Depends: php5-common (= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3) but 5.2.9.dfsg.1-4 is to be installed
03:14<amol>the-dude, global
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03:15<Woet>hmm
03:15<Woet>not sure why PHP is a newer version then the one available on lenny
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03:15<jm_>php5-common 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3 is available on debian mirrors/security
03:15<Woet>yea, I noticed
03:16<Woet>unsure how come I have a never version
03:16<Woet>never used sid iirc
03:16<jm_>apt-cache policy php5-imap
03:17<Woet>i'm gonna use sid to install that i guess
03:17<jm_>smart
03:17<Woet>well, sid just for php5-imap
03:17<Woet>not for the entire system
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03:26<locsmif>Hello, currently having problems connect to my server remotely: I can ssh in, but anytime I run a command requiring more than a few lines output my ssh session hangs..I'm connecting from Debian Unstable to Debian Stable...is there a known problem with Debian Unstable at the moment?
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03:48<locsmif>So...any command in remote ssh which outputs more than say ten lines hangs ssh
03:49<locsmif>I've tested a lot...all is fine remotely locally and with the network link, but this box was dist-upgraded yesterday..
03:49<mjt>locsmif: what's your internet connection? adsl?
03:50<locsmif>mjt: yep, both sides
03:50<mjt>try to lower mtu on your interfaces
03:50<mjt>from 1500 to, say, 1450
03:50<jm_>did you check if netowrk connection is still alive when that happens?
03:50<mjt>it should be alive
03:50<mjt>this sounds like a classical path-MTU discovery issue
03:50<locsmif>yes...I can reconnect fine. If I redirect the output of the command to /dev/null remotely, all is fine
03:51<mjt>anything more than 1500 bytes does not go
03:51<mjt>1500-(size of tcp headers)
03:51<jm_>it does indeed - but I wonder if it's also visible for other sites too
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03:51<locsmif>When I run wget on a big iso file remotely, it works
03:51<mjt>locsmif: ifconfig eth0 mtu 1450
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03:51<locsmif>mjt: on both sides?
03:52<mjt>locsmif: so it does not work between your two hosts
03:52<jm_>locsmif: does wget get it from the same server?
03:52<locsmif>jm_: the remote wget connects to some mirror in Germany to get an iso
03:52<mjt>locsmif: experiment and find out what's sufficient.
03:52<locsmif>Okay
03:53<mjt>locsmif: start with doing that on both sides and check if that solves the issue
03:53<locsmif>Remotely, torrents have been running, may have screwed up remote modem, but...if that were the case the wget would've failed
03:53<mjt>for adsl it should be ok to use 1500-8=1492 bytes for mtu
03:53<locsmif>mjt: right, moment
03:53<jm_>locsmif: right, so it would be better to test with the same server
03:53<mjt>since adsl uses extra 8 bytes for its own
03:54<jm_>would be neat if pppoe did this automatically, i don't remember what it sets as a default for me
03:54<locsmif>jm_: problem solved..
03:54<mjt>pppoe does that
03:55<mjt>and you can set it in ppp config file too
03:55<locsmif>jm_: how come I never noticed it until now? I've been using this connection for months now
03:55<locsmif>err, mjt
03:55<jm_>locsmif: don't ask me ;)
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03:55<jm_>I know you can set it in ppp/config, I've had this set to low value since modem days
03:55<mjt>locsmif: shit happens. It might be due to some changes not related to your hosts
03:55<mjt>locsmif: like your ISPs, or something in-between
03:56<locsmif>mjt: any documentation about this path-MTU discovery stuff? I need to learn...
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03:56<mjt>google for it
03:56<mjt>pmtud
03:56<locsmif>ok
03:56<locsmif>thanks a mil.
03:56*locsmif lmgtfy's
03:56<jm_>(make that ppp/options)
03:57<mjt>jm_: btw, dialup modems usually had no issues with standard 1500 MTU
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03:57<jm_>mjt: correct, I set it to help a tiny bit with interactive response
03:57<mjt>ah ok ;)
03:58<mjt>and at THAT time, PMTUD problem wasn't as bad as now
03:58<jm_>define THAT time ;)
03:58<mjt>since there was less idiots who think firewalling everything is good
03:58<mjt>when dialups were used most
04:00<jm_>i stopped using mine fairly late - adsl/cable was too expensive/slow here for long time, then I found out I can get wireless connection and signed up for that
04:00<mjt>i still have and use dialup
04:00<mjt>together with 20mbps ethernet :)
04:00<jm_>heh I had internal isa modem, sold it when my motherboard no longer had isa slots
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04:01<jm_>and I finally disposed of my first 2400bps external modem
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04:02<locsmif>I don't firewall icmp ... ever :)
04:03<locsmif>In fact, I reject with tcp reset instead of just drop
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04:03<locsmif>(in case of tcp ports that are blocked)
04:03<jm_>I think iptables tutorial has sane rules for that, but probably not many people set it up that way
04:04<locsmif>It seems that problem was on the server side
04:04<mjt>most probs are due to routers in-beetween
04:04<locsmif>When I reset mtu to 1500 here on my laptop, it still works
04:04<mjt>not on the ends
04:04<jm_>yeah probably some router in between
04:04<mjt>locsmif: note linux remembers the setting for some time
04:04<locsmif>oh.
04:05<mjt>locsmif: per-destination-IP
04:05<mjt>locsmif: you can use tracepath to see
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04:07<geoffr> alo all, has anyone had a problem with Aptitude update in Deb Etch where it only retrieves updated package lists if you manually flush all files from /var/lib/apt/lists ? The problem I'm having is that I don't see new package versions until flushing (i.e. if security update released)
04:08<mjt>upgrade to lenny
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04:08<geoffr>sorry meant anyone with with a helpful answer
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04:09<jm_>never seen it do that, did you try apt-get update? tried different mirror? tried a retry since security.d.o is a pool of hosts?
04:09<jm_>proxy used? ...
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04:10<geoffr>yes proxy used (switch from apt-cacher to squid due to heavy load caused by 1000+ server, but same problem on both squid & apt-cacher)
04:11<geoffr>apt-get update does the same
04:11<jm_>did you try it without proxy?
04:12<geoffr>yep same issue and unfortunately Deb mirrors start blocking us if we don't proxy :(
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04:12<xeon-enouf>08:03 < xeon-enouf> geoffr: mixing aptitude and apt-get usage in etch has it's issues
04:13<jm_>then I would check if your connection to security.d.o is reliable
04:13<jm_>(with other tools)
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04:13<geoffr>we stick to aptitude due it handles dependencies better
04:14<locsmif>geoffr: is there some kind of time problem causing the local files to be seen as newer than remote or so?
04:14<jm_>"aptitude -o 'Debug::Acquire::http=true' update" should show at least what it sends to/receives from the server
04:15<geoffr>the connection is ok, to further expand we have 5 data centres in various countries with multiple proxies, and not all boxes using the same proxy have the same problem
04:15<geoffr>will try that cmd
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04:16<geoffr>that debug cmd runs without eny issues
04:16<geoffr>the time question is interesting will look at that
04:17<jm_>it does make use of if-modifie-since header
04:17<jm_>so if your time is wrong it will cause issues
04:17<mjt>it stores original timestamps
04:17<mjt>and compares with that on server
04:17<mjt>so it does not even look for local time
04:18<jm_>as in it stores last-modified as returned by the server in some local file?
04:18<mjt>not in local file - it sets timestamps of files it retrieved to last-modified
04:19<mjt>see /var/lib/apt/lists/ -- all files in there has the same timestamp as on server
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04:19<geoffr>ah this sounds like a potential avenue will try and find a currently broken box thanks!
04:19<mjt>potential avenue is to turn on debugging as jm_ said
04:19<jm_>ok so it wouldn't be a time problem but messing with the local files problem
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04:20<xeon-enouf>wasn't there some NZ timezone funk in etch at one point?
04:21<geoffr>well like I said earlier, if we flush out /var/lib/apt/lists aptitude update works fine so it does appear to be an issue with the local files
04:21<jm_>yeah compare timestamps on them before you run aptitude with those on the server
04:21<xeon-enouf>how about mounted e2/3 FSs with noatime option?
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04:21<jm_>xeon-enouf: atime shouldn't affect this
04:21<xeon-enouf>ahh, mtime ,,, ok
04:22<jm_>yeah I just checked, it would use timestamp of the local files in if-modified-since, so that's where I would look for problems
04:22<geoffr>interestingly a working box I have here has a bunch of file suffixed with .IndexDiff whereas other servers don't
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04:23<jm_>is indexdiff even used for security.d.o?
04:23<locsmif>btw: when are ctime and mtime on Linux ever different? Because when the file is internally modified (changing mtime) ctime needs to be changed because mtime was changed...right?
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04:24<geoffr>mmm just for backports.o
04:25<Mick27>How can I specify aptitude to use lenny-backports for everything but the linux-image ?
04:25<geoffr>more info, apt-cache policy will also not show updated versions without the flush
04:25<geoffr>ping the linux -image in preferences
04:25<Mick27>the first part is ok everything goes on Backports but I don't want the kernels to be updated
04:25<geoffr>oops pin
04:25<geoffr>not ping *blush*
04:25<jm_>locsmif: ctime is changed for things like chmod, chown etc.
04:25<jackyf>Mick27: man apt_preferences
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04:26<Mick27>jackyf, thanks
04:26<jm_>geoffr: apt-cache just shows info from the downloaded files
04:26<xeon-enouf>locsmif: as jm_ mentioned; yet not mtime (chmod, chown etc.)
04:26<xeon-enouf>locsmif: however, if mtime is modified, then so is ctime
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04:26<geoffr>ah ok
04:27<locsmif>xeon-enouf: yep, thought so... I wish there was a field for when an inode was created..
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04:27<locsmif>anyway, that's ot..
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04:29<locsmif>so..if apt just stores remote timestamp into mtime...it stores it directly? No time-zone conversion or whatever?
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04:30<jm_>i never checked how this is stored, but I would expect UTC
04:30<locsmif>hmm, no that can't be...ah utc yes of course
04:31<locsmif>so this would rule out all clock and time zone issues
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04:33<jm_>should be simple to verify: remove all files, run apt update, store stat/ls -l/whatever output for files and verify they match that of the server - then when it "doesn't work" compare timestamps to those stored
04:34<locsmif>compare local timestamps to those stored? Yeah so if the local ones are different another tool touched it
04:34<jm_>right
04:34<geoffr>cool will do, gotta wait for a DSA :) thanks very much to all for input
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04:35<locsmif>proxies being the first candidate
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04:37<geoffr>I would also have targetted the proxies but some boxes on the same proxy which ran aptitude update before a 'broken' box have successful results
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04:42<locsmif>You are using Squid now, right, no more apt-cacher
04:42<geoffr>yes no apt-cacher, it just couldn't handle the load
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05:07<bcochofel>mjt, here I'm again
05:08<locsmif>geoffr: apt-cacher is a little shaky anyway, although I am slightly biased towards Perl projects (I like Perl)
05:08<bcochofel>I've read that initramfs stuff and tmpfs and I have one doubt
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05:09<bcochofel>how can I mount a root file system on a tmpfs?
05:09<bcochofel>losetup <dev> <rootfile>
05:09<bcochofel>mount -t tmpfs ... /sysroot
05:10<bcochofel>and then mount -o rw <loop device> /sysroot
05:10<bcochofel>?
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05:20<mjt>bcochofel: sure you want to mount it on a tmpfs? :)
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05:20<mjt>bcochofel: i told you that yesterday. You create a *directory* with your root fs and create a cpio archive from it.
05:21<mjt>bcochofel: no images needed.
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05:21<mjt>(image files even)
05:22<bcochofel>mjt, ok, you are saying having an initrd with all the info, right?
05:22<jm_>just use the right type of cpio archive
05:22<wekt>Though having an image can have some ++ convenience.
05:22<mjt>bcochofel: sorry?
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05:23<bcochofel>I was trying to have kinda a two stage boot, the first general and the second I could change to several types of installation
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05:26<bcochofel>mjt, you are saying not to mount the root from the cdrom, just have a big initrd, right?
05:26<mjt>btw, you can mount nfs root
05:26<mjt>or have a small root in memory and mount nfs subdir
05:27<wekt>is there a way to discover what packages offer a certain /etc/alternative?
05:27<mjt>and even with initrd you can add kernel command line to specify initrd size
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05:27<mjt>wekt: you readlink a link in question and ask dpkg to find the file it points to
05:28<mjt>bcochofel: what i were saying is that you probably should switch to initramfs from initrd.
05:28<Guest1741>I can not get iptables to forwarded the packets.
05:28<mjt>bcochofel: it's much easier to manage and does not have size limitations like initrd.
05:28<mjt>Guest1741: iptables does not forward, iptables may RESTRICT forwarding
05:29<wekt>mjgoins: but i don't want to find the one installed. I want to find alternatives to what is installed.
05:29<mjt>heh
05:29<mjt>(heh for mjgoins :)
05:29<wekt>oops. wrong name i meant mjt
05:29<sheldonh>how can i configure heimdal-kdc with a default maximum password lifetime so i don't have to fill in an expiry date and time when i add principles?
05:29<Guest1741>iptables -t nat -D POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
05:29<Guest1741>iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 192.168.1.5 --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.6:8080
05:29<bcochofel>mjt, ok, the problem is time and how can I switch to initramfs in a easy way
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05:30<mjt>your time and you descide what to do. It's all doable as initrd too.
05:31<mjt>switching consists of, basically: image=>cpio_archive, /linuxrc=>/init, pivot_root=>switch_root
05:31<Guest1741>Are you saying that this would not work iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 192.168.1.5 --dport 1:65535 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.6:8080
05:31<mjt>bcochofel: note cpio archive should be in proper form, -H newc if memory serves me right
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05:32<bcochofel>mjt, http://pastebin.com/m1e998686
05:33<bcochofel>that's what I'm using to create the initrd ext2 file
05:33<bcochofel>is it hard to change that to initramfs?
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05:34<mjt>bcochofel: remove dd, mke2fs, mount, umount.
05:34<mjt>it consists of: create empty dir, populate rootfs there, cpio and gzip it.
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05:34<mjt>that's all
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05:35<mjt>cd $rootdir; find . -print | cpio -o -H newc | gzip > ../initfamfs.gz
05:35<mjt>something like that
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05:36<bcochofel>mjt, then what do I need to tell in isolinux to start my initramfs, or where to put the initramfs?
05:36<mjt>the same way as you use initrd
05:36<mjt>exactly the same
05:36<mjt>but don't forget about 2 other things i mentioned above.
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05:36<mjt>(/init vs /linuxrc and switch_root vs pivot_root)
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05:37<mjt>and oh -- your initramfs should exec init, not exit!
05:37<bcochofel>initrd=/install/initramfs (without root=/dev/ram0) ?
05:37<mjt>yes
05:37<mjt>root= is handled by initramfs
05:37<bcochofel>ok
05:37<bcochofel>I'm gonna try
05:38<mjt>you'll have a few issues for sure
05:38<mjt>it usually does not work the first time :)
05:38<bcochofel>mjt, I'm used to that :)
05:38<bcochofel>mjt, I don't need the init=/init right? it's auto
05:38<mjt>it's auto
05:38<bcochofel>ok
05:38<mjt>again, init= is now handled by initramfs
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05:39<mjt>when kernel detects initrd is in fact initramfs, it does not try to mount root, does not try to exec /sbin/init etc, hence ignoring root=, init= and stuff like that
05:39<mjt>that all should be done in initramfs if necessary
05:40<mjt>hence i said it shouldn't exit but should exec /sbin/init (or whatever's passed as init=) - again, if necessary.
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05:40<mjt>that's what switch_root does btw
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05:41<mjt>and btw, my larger initramfs does evevything from memory, it contains complete live system inside that cpio archive, and /init is a symlink to /sbin/init ;)
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05:42<mjt>(/init is magical still - kernel checks for this file to determine if it's initrd or initramfs)
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05:43<bcochofel>mjt, ok, let me see if I understand
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05:44<bcochofel>I'll have my /init script, that will mount /proc and /sys, start udev, load modules, right?
05:44<mjt>yes
05:44<bcochofel>but I will switch_root to where?
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05:45<bcochofel>sorry again if this sounds silly...
05:45<jm_>bcochofel: I recommend you inspect debian's initramfs image, it will be much clearer to you after that
05:45<mjt>it depened on if you really need switching root
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05:45<mjt>jm_: debian's a bit too complex for first ;)
05:45<bcochofel>mjt, I need to start my installation script
05:45<mjt>bcochofel: so don't do any switch_root
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05:45<jm_>mjt: yeah but the concept is easy to see
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05:46<mjt>bcochofel: yur /init gets control and you do whatever you need from here.
05:46<mjt>anything
05:46<bcochofel>mjt, ok, so I just install all the system and then reboot
05:46<mjt>like that, yeah
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05:46<bcochofel>mjt, ok, gonna try that
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05:46<mjt>(I'd do it in a separate script and call it from /init but that's nitpicking)
05:47<bcochofel>mjt, I have that also ;)
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05:47<bcochofel>mjt, I will use splashy also
05:47<mjt>that's not-much-relevant details
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05:48<mjt>(don't use splashy from ground up, things are easier to debug without it)
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05:48<jm_>that reminds me to grab newer copy of ttylinux and modify it for my needs
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05:52<mjt>ok, time to go do something useful... bbl.
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06:32<luca_>ciao
06:32<luca_>!list
06:32<dpkg>luca_: VATTENE VIA
06:33<luca_>grazie(!)
06:33<luca_>mi spieghi almeno una cosa?
06:33<luca_>oh!
06:33<luca_>c 6?
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06:39<locsmif>!list
06:39<dpkg>locsmif: VATTENE VIA
06:39<locsmif>Hmm, why in Italian..
06:39<locsmif>I'm Dutch, it should say: ROT OP
06:40<locsmif>;-)
06:40<the-dude>locsmif: dat is niet netjes ;)
06:40<locsmif>heh, okay, misschien specifiek ontworpen voor luca.
06:40<the-dude>:)
06:40*locsmif leaves dpkg alone.
06:40<themill>locsmif: because everyday we have lots of Italians /join ; !list ; /part.
06:41<locsmif>themill: aha... some sort of warez thing?
06:41<themill>apparently so
06:41<locsmif>k
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06:50<aina>hi guys
06:50<aina>i would like to display the content of my tomcats webserver logs in the console as the requets come in
06:50<petemc>tail -f
06:50<aina>can you tell me the command line for that please ;)
06:51<aina>cool
06:51<aina>thanks a lot petemc
06:51<petemc>you can pass multiple file names too
06:51<petemc>tail -f /var/log/syslog /var/log/apache/foo
06:51<petemc>and pipe it through ccze for extra radability
06:51<jm_>you can also use less for this
06:51<petemc>tail -f /var/log/syslog /var/log/apache/foo | ccze
06:51<petemc>jm_: yes, you told me how to colourize less a few years back
06:52<petemc>i still prefer tail and ccze tho, perhaps its just interia
06:52<petemc>erm, inertia
06:52<jm_>petemc: but I meant instead of tail ;)
06:52<petemc>yes
06:52<jm_>yes same here, I usually use just tail
06:52<aina>i think less can't do it in real-time : you know what i mean ? i'd like to see them in real-time in the console so i'll take ur first option
06:52<petemc>it can
06:53<petemc>as jm_ :)
06:53<petemc>ask
06:53<aina>ok cool
06:53<aina>thx guyz
06:53<jm_>it can, see F key
06:58<bcochofel>ok, I have an initramfs.gz file with what I want, change isolinux.cfg to iinitrd=/install/initramfs.gz but doesn't boot
06:58<bcochofel>says it can't find initramfs.gz file
06:58<bcochofel>but it's there
06:58<bcochofel>and kernel has support for it
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08:18<exn>guys, anybody knows any heigh level filesystem which can work upon nfs shares and made realtime mirroring between these shares ?
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08:40<paveq_>exn: why would you want to do that?
08:41<paveq_>exn: just use drbd under nfs, block-level mirroring
08:41<paveq_>in case of network mirroring, locally just use raid
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08:42<paveq_>exn: what you are asking, I think its not possible, and makes no sense really
08:42<paveq_>nfs is already high-level one, pretty much
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08:45<exn>paveq_, I need a solution for files mirroring, heigh level, I have only 2 nfs shares and I want to mirror it. I don't beleive it's not possible
08:45<blackxored>hello
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08:46<davi>What is the Debian nagios web interface: nagios-php, oreon, ...?
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08:46<drucik>centreon
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08:47<drucik>davi: centreon is more complex web interface for nagios i think
08:48<davi>I do not fear complexity, I want functionality
08:48<davi>however centreon is not in Debian Lenny?
08:48<drucik>hmm, so, don use web interface :)
08:48<davi>just warning via email, SMS, etc.?
08:48<davi>no graphic of load, etc?
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08:49<drucik>no, you have there webs where you are see current situation of the server
08:49<paveq_>exn: do you want to have write access to both of them?
08:49<paveq_>exn: at the same time...
08:50<paveq_>exn: doesn't work :P
08:50<drucik>administration is only that you can set up there what is monitoinrg
08:50<drucik>monitoring
08:50<paveq_>exn: anyway, you can't use nfs like that, its not designed for that
08:50<paveq_>exn: what you can do, is to mirror block device
08:51<drucik>davi: you can set there the templates which will use the server, one template will be services for switches and next for servers
08:51<davi>drucik, I see know. That is to say administration can be done from the command line, and monitoring from web console. So, what is the software you advise to install in Debian for the monitoring side?
08:51<paveq_>exn: but even then its not wise to put writeable nfs on top of it, as the intances are not aware of eachother
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08:52<drucik>davi: nagios is fine but only monitoring, so if you want know that the traffic is over 1 gb so it send you mail, nagios dont show the graphs tha traffic
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08:53<drucik>dani: for graphs is good for example munin what i am using
08:54<davi>I know munin. But I think if munin allow show graphic I am almost sure nagios has such feature too?
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08:54<exn>paveq_ , as I said I want a heigh level solution, it can be even perl script which works upon an events or something like this, which uses diff of course to not transfer whole files
08:55<davi>drucik, There are graphics at http://www.nagios.org/about/screenshots
08:55<paveq_>exn: why, explain your situation better
08:55<exn>mirroring of shares :)
08:55<paveq_>high-level solution is not realtime mirroring anymore
08:55<paveq_>over nfs...
08:56<drucik>davi: have some features that can show graphs in mrtg graphs but its not so good documented and litle bit worst setup
08:56<exn>rsync isn't realtime, events is realtime
08:56<paveq_>exn: sure you can just copy files between them
08:56<drucik>davi: but its only my experiences
08:56<exn>paveq_, just copying copys whole files
08:56<paveq_>exn: why just not use low-level solution
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08:56<davi>drucik, I see. thanks
08:57<exn>It's just not possible to use low-level solutions paveq_
08:57<exn>in my situation
08:57<paveq_>exn: nfs itself is high-level one... just mount the share on both hosts lol :P
08:57<paveq_>then you have one share though
08:57<paveq_>which you can mirror at block level
08:57<paveq_>nfs is just not good one, you could look into more advanced networked filesystems
08:58<paveq_>like gfs2 or andrew filesystem
08:58<exn>it must been block level only ?
08:58<exn>for wise mirroring ?
08:58<paveq_>that works like raid really
08:58<exn>yes, it's cool. but what about heigh level solutions ?
08:59<paveq_>exn: so, you definitely need to shares, ie. two volumes, and want to write on both with nfs?
08:59<paveq_>that doesn't work
08:59<paveq_>because nfs is just designed to expose single path to network
09:00<exn>paveq_, for example I have mounted two shares /nfs0 /nfs1 any changes which will happens on nfs1 will be applied to the nfs0
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09:00<paveq_>exn: but what if changes happen to the same files at the same time, in both locations
09:00<paveq_>stuff like that needs to be taken account
09:00<exn>nfs0 will be not used
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09:00<exn>ah.. stop
09:01<exn>nfs0 and nfs1 will be mirrored between
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09:01<exn>all changes on nfs0 -> nfs1 , all on nfs1 -> nfs0
09:01<exn>it's not like a raid works
09:02<exn>but it's what I need to do
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09:02<paveq_>well, its easiest to but block-level mirroring under nfs, if the another host is not used
09:02<paveq_>then you can have failover in case first one goes down and so
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09:09<valdemir_>@debianservers \#debian(+ntcl391)
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09:20<hidechron>hi there
09:20<hidechron>/topic
09:20<hidechron>I can't have sounds in my debian-squeeze
09:21<hidechron>Is that normal ?
09:21<jm_>probably not, try /msg dpkg alsa checklist
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09:21<hidechron>/msg dpkg alsa checklist
09:22<hidechron>?
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09:23<themill>dpkg: tell hidechron about alsa checklist
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09:30<hidechron>In fact i get :
09:30<hidechron>Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Realtek ALC888" "HDA:10ec0888,105b0e0a,00100001" "0x105b" "0x0e0a"
09:30<hidechron>when i do a alsactl init.
09:31<themill>judd pciid 10ec:0888
09:31<judd>themill: [10ec:0888] is 'Realtek 888 High Definition Audio' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:0888
09:31<themill>^^ did I pull the right PCI-Id out of that?
09:32<hidechron>The sound worked when i reinstalled alsa-firmware but it gone again.
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09:34<hidechron>Sorry but i don't undertand what should i do ?
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09:36<KingKong2009>Hi, I am not getting sound anymore
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09:37<hidechron>Hi, me too :3
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09:39<hidechron>dpkg: tell KingKong2009 about alsa checklist
09:39<hidechron>This is what they told me here. (hoping you got the message)
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09:41<EricFlamalaer>help, install compiz-gtk, error for depencies compiz-core and libdecoration0... but both is installed
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10:03<smhar>greetings
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10:04<smhar> I am trying to establish an ssh tunnel in lenny. Things worked ok using windows and putty on the same notebook. but I get errors in debian that I can not forward ports
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10:04<smhar>this is the command I used: ssh -f username@remote_server -L 8585:localhost:25 -N
10:05<smhar>and this is the error: bind: Cannot assign requested address
10:05<smhar> channel_setup_fwd_listener: cannot listen to port: 8585
10:05<smhar> Could not request local forwarding.
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10:08<Gromitt>smhar: localport 8585 should go to remote port 25?
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10:10<smhar>Gromitt: so? should I modify the command? how?
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10:11<Gromitt>smhar: hm I am not sure, but you may try to substitute -L with -R?
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10:14<themill>smhar: can you pastebin the output of "ifconfig -a" on the client machine for us?
10:14<smhar>I tried the -R and got: Warning: remote port forwarding failed for listen port 25
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10:15<Gromitt>hm
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10:17<smhar>themill: http://pastebin.com/m2a4aa1d , I am connected using GSM E169 usb device , that I finally got working with debian
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10:18<themill>smhar: your loopback device lo doesn't have an IP
10:18<asaleem>Is there a package for monitoring ssl certificate for debian like certwatch?
10:18<smhar>themill: so?
10:19<themill>smhar: so ssh can't bind to localhost:8585 because there's no IP associated with localhost
10:19<themill>s/IP/device/
10:19<bcochofel>can I have more then one tty running in my initramfs ?
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10:21<smhar>themill: this is my interfaces: http://debian.pastebin.com/m69dbd58d
10:22<themill>having lo commented out is fairly unusual
10:22<Gromitt>smhar: the configurations for lo are commented out, why?
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10:22<smhar>got that, correcting now :-)
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10:42<klando>Hi, i have a problem with my printer (I though it was cups 1.4 issue but not sure) and I find that my /proc/bus/usb/ is now empty, any suggestion ?
10:42<klando>it is sid
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10:48<jthomas_sb_>In a bash script, can I put the output of a command into a variable? For example, I want to have a script that, when given a user name, will get the homedir from the passwd file and create subdirectories. So, I need the output of a cat/cut/sed sequence to become the variable $HOME
10:49<Bunnyh>VARIABLE=`command sequence here`
10:49<jthomas_sb_>great thanks!
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10:49<themill>just ~username should be enough though
10:50<jthomas_sb_>themill that'd be slick, how to use that?
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10:50<weasel>jthomas_sb_: cat/cut/sed? weee.
10:50<jthomas_sb_>weasel i'm learning as I go... :) suggestions?
10:50<drmay>where should a debian package put a java jar executable? in /usr/bin ?
10:50<weasel>1) never cat /etc/passwords, use getent passwd $user
10:51<themill>jthomas_sb_: depends what you're doing, bug "mkdir ~username/{foo,quux,bar}". You may also like to look at /etc/skel though
10:51<weasel>2) awk -F : '{print $6}'
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10:52<jthomas_sb_>we don't want this in skel but thanks for the suggestions and help everyone!
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10:54<jthomas_sb_>themill would I be able to use it like this? when I call script.sh username .... " if ! [ -d ~i$1 ] "...
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10:55<jthomas_sb_>oh without that ~i so, " if ! [ -d ~$1 ] "
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10:56<themill>jthomas_sb_: presumably the home directory has already been created by adduser though. You'd probably also use "if [ ! -d " too, btw.
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10:57<jthomas_sb_>yes the homedir would have been created, but the script needs to check that it exists before running the rest.
10:57<handjob>Good afternoon gentleman. I am trying to gasp the "whole internet stuff". Can anyone tell my why the output of ifconfig is different from what i get on ip checking sites?
10:57<bloebb>hi, i know this is actually not a debian specific question, but how do i verify (MD5) the downloaded image for my installation?
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10:58<jthomas_sb_>bloebb md5sum file.iso
10:58<bloebb>@hand: maybe ifconfig gives you your local ip
10:58<bloebb>and the ip check side gives you the ip if some of your providers machines
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10:59<bloebb>jtthomas_sb: but what abouth the MD%SUMS.sign file
10:59<jthomas_sb_>handjob likely because your on a private network and have an address like 10.10.10.x or 192.168.x.x , but NAT makes your external address something that the rest of the world can use. Private IP ranges cannot go on the internet, hey're for internal networking
10:59<handjob>bloebb, Yes the Ip site is giving me the provider's ip. You got right. But now i am totaly lost.
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11:00<jthomas_sb_>bloebb that likely has the md5sum of the image that they have. so run 'cat MD5SUM.SIGN' and compare that to your command's output 'md5sum file.iso'
11:00<handjob>jthomas_sb_, Thank you.
11:01<bloebb>jt: well, i have the .iso, a file MD5SUMS and a file MD5SUMS.sign
11:01<jthomas_sb_>handjob the IPv4 internet addressing doesn't have enough IP Addresses to cover every computer in the world. So 'private networks' are set up behind routers, using 192.168.x.x addresses. The router then gets your computers request and gets the info from the web using a Public IP, and then passes that data back to the computer using its private IP
11:02<bloebb>i also wonder, why you do not donload that automaticall from the debian page with your install iso
11:02<bloebb>don't they want people to check their downloads?
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11:02<jthomas_sb_>bloebb dunno what the difference is in the two
11:02<bloebb>i mean, this is an os after all
11:03<bloebb>i think the .sign file is the gpg digital signature for the MD5SUMS file
11:03<jthomas_sb_>well, one of those files will have the md5sum and you comapre it to your own md5sum. if they match you should have a good download.
11:03<bloebb>yes, ture
11:04<bloebb>but i just feel this some kind of needs documentation
11:04<bloebb>and people should know about that checking the md5 or sha sum is just very important
11:05<handjob>jthomas_sb_, Well it's somehow more clear to me now. If i am about to perform port scanning on my own box which one should i use - the one provided by browser or ifconfig?
11:06<bloebb>okay, i just did: cat MD5SUMS | grep netinst && md5sum [netinst-iso-image]
11:06<bja>handjob: ifconfig
11:06<[machine]>handjob: where are you scanning from? locally? also, what are you concerned about people on your local network, or the internet itself?
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11:07<handjob>bja, Thx.
11:07<handjob>[machine], locally.
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11:07<bja>handjob: the scan on 127.0.0.1 will yield different results from the scan on your local ip address
11:08<bja>and it will also yield different result if you porscan your public ip address, since you will be scanning you adsl or router
11:09<bja>do all of them and compare the results, be forewarned that if you are not the sysadmin of your public ip, someone can be pissed
11:09<[machine]>so will scanning your local ip, or your routers ip from behind it.. because you will be in the trusted network
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11:10<bja>handjob: man nmap has a lot of info about nat and ip structures
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11:10<[machine]>bja: if you do that in certain jurisdictions it might be more than pissing someone off, it might be breaking the law....
11:10<handjob>Thank you all.
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11:11<bja>[machine]: I didn't know that but i think its just going too far
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11:14<[machine]>bja: <- security researcher / openvas developer... uk is good (or bad) example since they have already introduced the european wide planned legal changes.. google for police and criminal justice bill & computer misuse act (off topic)
11:15<bja>[machine]: i invite you to #debian-offtopic
11:15<[machine]>bja: sadly no time right now..
11:16<bja>[machine]: whenever you have time, lmk interesting at least to stay out of trouble
11:16<bja>i regularly do portscan on my ips to look for unauthorized open ports
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11:18<mbruins>hello ive got ~100 (same) computers i need to install debian with alot of packages and configurations on. is there some way i could autoinstall this? i think its possible but not sure where to look. perhaps someone could give me a term to google
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11:19<kop>mbruins: Take a look at the install guide and possibly the reference manual at debian.org. I think also: /msg dpkg aptitude clone
11:20<bja>mbruins: setting up a local mirror could help you speed things up
11:21<kop>mbruins: Yeah, install manual, Appendix B.
11:21<kop>bja: I agree. There's also simply running dd on the disks....
11:23<kop>mbruins: Also, pxebooting into the installer could be nice.
11:24<bcochofel>mjt, I have a working initramfs :)
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11:25<mbruins>thanks for all the help but im a little bit overwelmed now. what would be the most 'easy' way for a newbie?
11:25<mbruins>will read the manual
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11:27<bcochofel>mjt, one thing, how can I have something like: tail -f /var/log/messages running on tty2 and tail -f /var/log/debug on tty3 ?
11:28<bcochofel>how can I define this on initramfs?
11:28<kop>mbruins: Are the machines already assembled?
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11:29<mbruins>kop: yes, dont know the specs right now but im searching for some information for tomorrow (work)
11:29<kop>mbruins: My guess is, use preseeding and install the apt-cacher program on some machine so you don't plog up your net bandwidth.
11:31<kop>mbruins: Preferably, put apt-cacher on a box with a gigabit ethernet nic.
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11:33<bcochofel>mbruins, take a look at this also: http://www.mondorescue.org/
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11:36<bcochofel>mbruins, or http://www.howtoforge.com/howto_linux_systemimager
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11:37*arw hello folks
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11:37<bja>!congratulate arw
11:37<dpkg>Woohoo arw, you did it!
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11:38<arw>bja: thanks a lot :)
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11:44<pawel>how to delete from a file everything apart from text in quotes (1/line)?
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11:46<kop>pawel: Maybe: sed -e 's/^[^"]*"([^"]*)".*$/$
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11:47<kop>pawel: Maybe: sed -e 's/^[^"]*"([^"]*)".*$/\1//'
11:48<kop>pawel: The trick is using ERE backreferences.
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11:49<pawel>kop: it returns: sed: -e expression #1, char 25: unknown option to `s'
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11:50<kop>pawel: Dunno. My first line was a typo, the second try I've not tried.
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11:51<kop>pawel: You could try putting \ in front of the parens if it's using REs instead of EREs.
11:54<themill>sed -n 's/.*"\(.*\)".*/\1/p' should be enough
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12:08<pawel>kop, thamill: thank you
12:08<pawel>themill:thank you
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12:09<themill>np
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12:15<rektide>is there something i need to do to use gigabit in cross-over configuration with a normal cable ?
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12:15<rektide>i thought that was one of the main perks of gigabit; not requiring special cable to crossover
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12:19<petemc>rektide: right, you shouldnt have to do anything
12:20<locklace>rektide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_crossover_cable#Automatic_crossover
12:21<rektide>neither card is seeing any link. :(
12:22<locklace>then maybe your ports don't support auto-mdix
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12:26<MrNaz>t
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12:31<rektide>is there any way to probe a device to see if it has auto-mdi/mdix capabilities?
12:32<petemc>ethtool
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12:33<rektide>yeah i'm looking at the man page expecting to find something about auto-mdix but i'm not seeing anything
12:34<petemc>just run ethtool ethN
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12:40<Tekla>i think there used to be a tool which created .debs from sources
12:40<petemc>alien
12:40<themill>Tekla: checkinstall or dh_make
12:40<Tekla>dh_make!
12:40<Tekla>thx!
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12:49<fbt>Hi, what tool can i use to check the outgoing network traffic from my machine?
12:49<Kjetil>netstat / iptraf
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12:50<Gathond>wireshark
12:50<Gathond>depending on the level of checking
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12:51<fbt>My router shows my machine is using lots of connections and I want to monitor where they're being generated
12:52<locklace>fbt: netstat -4p
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13:15<bucko>So I just rebooted my PC for the first time in ages, and all of a sudden X hangs (I can't even use SysRq). I use fglrx. Anyone know how to debug?
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13:15<bucko>(I'm prepared to try whatever weird and wonderful OSS replacement there is if it's in Debian, instead.)
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13:21<mjt>bucko: reboot and look at logs.
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13:22<aliceinwire>how is called the desktop enviroment with only terminal ?
13:22<aliceinwire>terminals
13:22<dkr>cli =commandline interface as opposed to gui?
13:22<bucko>mjt: I tried; couldn't see anything massively relevant.
13:22<mjt>only terminal, without keyboard?
13:23<bucko>mjt: Unfortunately, I booted X twice on vesa drivers, so lost the log. slocate has finished grinding now, so I'll give it another go.
13:23<aliceinwire>is used by marga i think
13:23<aliceinwire>is a desktop with only tiled terminals
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13:25<mjt>bucko: see also kernel logs
13:25<mjt>bucko: you need to understand if it's your kernel who crashes or X
13:25<bcochofel>aliceinwire, tila?
13:25<mjt>bucko: but well, with fgrlx, you're by your own.
13:26<tuks>I need help determining if an old PCI wireless card is supported on Debian (lenny), lspci lists it as 17 devices, the most common being "non-vga unclassified device: SOFTING GmBH Device 2120" as well as "ethernet controller: SOFTING Device 2320". lspci also lists "Gammagraphx Inc, encryption and computing Device 1000"
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13:26<bcochofel>aliceinwire, sorry *tilda
13:27<bcochofel>mjt, I have a working initramfs now
13:27<mjt>yay! :)
13:27<mjt>i've seen it in scrollback
13:27<bcochofel>I'm trying to do one more thing
13:27<bcochofel>having tty2 do a tail on syslog and tty3 on messages
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13:27<bcochofel>but don't know how to start more tty
13:28<bcochofel>is it possible on initramfs?
13:28<mjt>sure
13:28<mjt>the same way your regular system does
13:29<bcochofel>inittab?
13:29<mjt>if you run init in your intiramfs
13:29<mjt>who reads inittab
13:29<mjt>you can run something like, bash >/dev/tty2 2>&1 </dev/tty2 &
13:29<aliceinwire>mmm no bcochofel
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13:30<bcochofel>\/init reads \/etc\/inittab?
13:30<mjt>bcochofel: i guess /init in initramfs is your script, and you know what it reads?
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13:30<mjt>i mean regular /sbin/init
13:31<bcochofel>mjt, I only have /init and that calls another script to do the installation
13:31<bcochofel>if I put /etc/inittab I can handle all the extra tty ?
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13:32<mjt>for that you'll have to actually execute /sbin/init from your /init
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13:32<jthomas_sb_>I am trying to work in the CUPS web interface and its prompting me for a user/pass (looks like .htaccess file), but root / rootpass aren't accepted. How can I fix this?
13:32<stuckey>jthomas_sb_: Are you entering "root" for the root user name?
13:32<jthomas_sb_>yes
13:34<jthomas_sb_>in the cupsd.conf file it has " <Location /> order allow,deny Allow @LOCAL</Location>
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13:35<jthomas_sb_>also it has some " Require user @SYSTEM "
13:35<jthomas_sb_>does @LOCAL require this IP, or does it just mean the local network?
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13:38<Mabo>sera a tutti
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13:39<Mabo>c'è qualcuno '
13:39<Mabo>?
13:40<shevek>I've changed my gnome desktop from metacity to compiz. I see the graphical effects when I start a program from the panel, but I lost my window manager (the windows have no borders and are positioned at (0,0)). However, gtk-window-decorator is running, and it does use click to focus (so it's not just using X defaults). Is this a known problem (I didn't find anything on the web about it)? How do I fix it?
13:41<shevek>jthomas_sb_: I think it means the loopback interface, so you must connect using "localhost" or "127.0.0.1", not the public name.
13:41<bja>!it
13:41<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
13:41<jthomas_sb_>shevek thanks, i'll look into this
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13:43<bucko>Hmmm, radeonhd works fine.
13:43<bucko>Thou it's /really/ slow.
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13:48<bcochofel>mjt, well something strange just happened
13:48<bcochofel>I've created inittab and /sbin/init is a symlink to /bin/sh
13:49<bcochofel>last command on /init is exec /sbin/init
13:49<bcochofel>I have something on tty3 and tty4 (the same messages) but /var/log/messages (tty) and /var/log/syslog (tty4) are empty
13:49<bcochofel>and I don't have tty2
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13:51<bcochofel>mjt, here's my inittab file: http://pastebin.com/m5e43227
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13:52<simonrvn>shevek: the wm crashed it would seem, even though the decorator is runing, it isn't doing its job ;)
13:52<simonrvn>running*
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13:54<shevek>simonrvn: No, I think I found the problem. All plugins are disabled, including things like "decorate" or "move window".
13:55<simonrvn>oh, that'll do it, heh
13:56<shevek>Yes. No idea why that is the default...
13:56<bremner>in lenny guided encrypted+lvm, how can I resize one of the LVs ?
13:57<bremner>(during the install)
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13:57<simonrvn>shevek: it's not though. something happened
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13:57<bremner>shevek: hi!
13:57<shevek>simonrvn: I would think so, but "restore defaults" sets everything back to off.
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13:58<simonrvn>how odd
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13:58<bloebb>hi once again, i just installed lenny on a friends laptop with gnome
13:58<bloebb>now when i log in, i cannot change the screen resolution
13:59<bloebb>everything is too big
13:59<bloebb>it's just like 1/4 of the actual screen content is shown
13:59<bloebb>waht to do? edit xorg.conf by hand?
13:59<bloebb>i treid dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg already, but that just asked me for keyboard-related stuff
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14:11<ayarter>hey all. I'm using debian sparc. I'm on a fresh install. I'm using a Sunblade 2500, which requires the use of PCI domains. The machine works under sid, but not the stable release. I -=think=- that I need the new(er) xorg to support pci domains, but I'm not sure that's all that I'll need. Any input?
14:12<ayarter>I don't care to use sid if I don't need to.
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14:21<simonrvn>try squeeze (testing)?
14:21*bremner thinks stable is newer than the the sunblade 2500 fwiw
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14:22<simonrvn>yeh
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14:22<ayarter>problem is, my video doesn't work in stable. well, not well.
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14:23<ayarter>in sid, its fantastic. I remember last time I did this, it boiled down to the use of pci domains.
14:23<bremner>is there anything in backports?
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14:24<ayarter>I'm not sure. I switched from Solaris to debian a month ago, so I'm a little in the dark with all of this.
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14:25<bremner>!bpo
14:25<dpkg>backports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
14:25<doc>hello guy
14:25<sney>bremner: they're always a little behind supporting the funky Sun hardware. I had a 10-year-old Ultra2 at one point that was *just* beginning to have DRI support
14:26<bremner>sney: ack
14:26<ayarter>strangely, sid works like a charm. It just breaks when upgrading packages sometimes.
14:26<sney>yeah, that's what sid does.
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14:26<ayarter>sney:I have an Ultra 2 in the other room. I love it.
14:26<sney>oh yeah those things are the bomb
14:27<sney>mine died an honorable death
14:27<ayarter>what happened to it, if you don't mind me asking?
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14:27<sney>the power supply went dramatically and one of the capacitors burst
14:27<sney>motherboard capacitors, that is.
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14:27<simonrvn>ouch
14:27<ayarter>oh, ouch.
14:28<sney>I had it on a circuit at work that was SUPPOSEDLY protected, I guess not .
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14:28<ayarter>I would still cry. My Ultra 2 was my baby.
14:28<ayarter>I mean, its worthless now, but still.
14:28<sney>I had a U5 too but I gave it away
14:29<sney>and my SS20 is probably still collecting dust in storage back east
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14:29<ayarter>I have a ss10 and ss5 in my closet.
14:29<ayarter>*an ss10 rather.
14:29<ayarter>I'm just so damned tired of solaris :)
14:29<sney>slowaris
14:30<sney>I pretty much always ran linux on my sparc stuff
14:30<sney>netbsd on the ss20 briefly, but then debian because bsd gets under my skin eventually
14:30<ayarter>I run solaris on my server, but that's really it anymore.
14:30<ayarter>but it runs headless and rarely gets reconfigured, so.
14:31*simonrvn is partial is big-endian stuff
14:31<simonrvn>to BE*
14:31<ayarter>Well, what it seems is that I need to use xorg 1.74, which s in sid. So, backports is how I would do that?
14:32<simonrvn>!ssb
14:32<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
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14:37<miguel>how can i list all files : changed, or copied today to my system?
14:38<bremner>miguel: the "find" command can do that, see the man page
14:40<miguel>kk thx
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14:45<drakeman>hey sney
14:45<sney>yo
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14:46<ayarter>xorg 1.74 doesn't seem to be in backports.
14:46<ayarter>and a source compile just seems like so much fun. arg.
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14:53<ayarter>well, sid here I come I suppose.
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14:54<ayarter>unless anyone knows of a way to use xorg 1.74 in debian stable?
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14:59<dbast>that is not possible without backporting it...
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15:01<bremner>ayarter: testing is another option
15:01<dbast>testing does not have xorg 7.4 !
15:02<dbast>not yet...
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15:08<ayarter>allright. and I just use the package name from sid?
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15:13<gloria>holla
15:14<gloria>alguna mujer lesviana
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15:14<cesurasean>What is better for backup/restore in debian? rsnapshot, or Amanda?
15:15<cesurasean>or in Linux, in general.
15:15<cesurasean>it seems like Amanda has a commercial side, which makes it look as a better fit.
15:15<cesurasean>does anyone else agree, or suggest another backup method for Debian Lenny?
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15:15<Hemoglobin>Hello. I need fast answer so I need your help. I wan t download debian CD which will install OS on disk without downloading files from internet or just few files from net. ( I am going to install it in school and I can t download big files because on that net are connected about 30 Pcs. ) Which cd I have to download ?
15:16<cesurasean>Hemoglobin: You may need to burn the DVD iso.
15:16<Hemoglobin>for example. debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso 08-Sep-2009 00:27 637M
15:16<cesurasean>don't use testing.
15:16<Hemoglobin>that Pcs have just CD-roms
15:16<Hemoglobin>why not ?
15:16<cesurasean>ok, then.
15:17<cesurasean>because it's not stable.
15:17<raboof>;)
15:17<Hemoglobin>but have newer packages, and it will be used in school for net and education
15:17<cesurasean>as I said, it's not stable.
15:18<Hemoglobin>I already installed on few stronger PCs ubuntu but the other have low RAM.
15:18<cesurasean>it shouldn't be used for anything but testing purposes.
15:18<bremner>Hemoglobin: for what it is worth, today's testing installer failed on my thinkpad. Even if you want to run testing, the lenny installer is a better choice IMHO
15:18<cesurasean>bremner: he doesn't sound like someone who needs to be running testing.
15:18<bremner>cesurasean: I don't disagree with you
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15:19<Hemoglobin>so you recommend stable. but its possible to download just 1 CD and install it ? (not netinstall)
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15:19<cesurasean>Hemoglobin: I suggest you jump on the bandwagon and get a stable version.
15:19<cesurasean>( I hope this lightning doesn't knock the power out :( )
15:19<cesurasean>well, you may need more than 1 cd.
15:20<cesurasean>Hemoglobin: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/
15:20<cesurasean>You'll need to burn ALL of those iso's.
15:20<cesurasean>lol
15:21<cesurasean>that's a lot of CD switching ahead of you.
15:21<cesurasean>I'd suggest DVD, otherwise netinstall.
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15:21<adama>just burn the 1st CD or 2 and download any additional software you need after installing... it's a compromise
15:22<cesurasean>31 cds is what it looks like it takes for the newest stable version of debian
15:22<bremner>I have a Sunplus USB2SATA enclosure. The disk inside is just pulled from my laptop, and has two physical partitions. But I only see /dev/sdb, not /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb2. lsusb says ID 04fc:0c25 Sunplus Technology Co., Ltd
15:22<cesurasean>true
15:22<adama>if you want all 25000 packages
15:22<cesurasean>I was going to think the same thing adama. It depends on what all he's installing.....
15:22<bremner>1 DVD is fine
15:23<adama>he has only CD-ROM drives
15:23<cesurasean>probably base, and X. I don't know which cds those are on though.
15:23<Hemoglobin>yes I have just Cd-rom
15:23<Hemoglobin>I will choose som deb. based distro
15:24<cesurasean>you can try Mepis
15:24<ayarter>so, which package name would I use to backport xorg 1.74, or do I need to do them all?
15:24<Hemoglobin>or this is just one cd debian-503-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso 05-Sep-2009 11:31 646M
15:24<cesurasean>Mepis is all on 1 cd....
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15:24<cesurasean>yes, that's just 1 cd.
15:24<cesurasean>using xfce, instead of gnome.
15:24<ayarter>or is there a metapackage for all of x?
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15:26<cesurasean>bremener, is it mounted?
15:26<cesurasean>and is this a usb hard drive you are looking for?
15:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 406] by debhelper
15:27<cesurasean>oh, ok it is USB. I see.
15:27<cesurasean>are you using gnome?
15:27<cesurasean>or just bash?
15:28<cesurasean>lsusb is saying it's found your enclosure. :) that's always a good thing.
15:28<cesurasean>it's probably named something else in /dev/
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15:28<Hemoglobin>cesurasean: don t know min. requirements for mepis ? or will it run on 256 MB ram ?
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15:29<cesurasean>yes, it should run on 256 mb of ram.
15:29<cesurasean>go to www.mepis.org
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15:29<cesurasean>debian lenny is too much for 256 mb of ram anyways.
15:29<cesurasean>what kind of students are you trying to teach here? LOL
15:30<Hemoglobin>betwen age of 15-19. gymnasium
15:30<cesurasean>make them use mepis, and just use live cds in the cd roms.
15:30<cesurasean>so they can't break the system, and can have root access.
15:30<cesurasean>just reboot the machines everytime you have a new class, or someone breaks something. :)
15:31<Hemoglobin>I am not teacher
15:31<Hemoglobin>I have already installed there ubuntu
15:31<cesurasean>burn a Live CD of Mepis.
15:31<cesurasean>and just run off the CD ROM without installing. so the students can't mess anything up....
15:31<cesurasean>simple
15:31<cesurasean>:)
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15:33<Hemoglobin>but it takes long time to boot
15:33<Hemoglobin>and have to have a lot of CDs
15:35<ayarter>isn't the live cd 1 cd?
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15:35<Hemoglobin>yes it is
15:35<Hemoglobin>but I have a lot of computers
15:36<Hemoglobin>cca 40
15:36<ayarter>I wonder if you could make them all thin clients?
15:36<kop>Lenny will fit fine in 256MB, it's just a question of what packages are installed.
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15:37<cesurasean>kop: I wouldn't know. 256 is too old school for me. :)
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15:38<ayarter>my sparcstation 5 and 10 have 256 megs of ram. lol
15:38<ww>hey, i am having a s trange problem with NAT. i am running a debian box to provide nat to my lan-clients. suddenly TCP over NAT stopped working for my clients. they can ping and use UDP but TCP connections don't come back to them thru nat
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15:38<ww>i didn't change my config at all
15:38<ww>i am very unsure about how to debug this
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15:39<Hemoglobin>256 mb have worst pcs in my school. but you are right its low
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15:39<cesurasean>depends on what type of 256 you are talking though. hopefully not just plain ole' SDRAM. Hopefully it's 256 ddr.
15:40<cesurasean>Lenny doesn't even support one of my PCs that has 1 gig ram. The motherboard parts have been phased out, and I can't use the newest kernel.
15:41<cesurasean>I bet he might not even get the Lenny installer to work.
15:41<ayarter>lenny's running fine on my ultra 2 /w 512 mb though
15:41<ayarter>so who knows :)
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15:41<ayarter>well, lets hope this xorg backport doens't break my installation :)
15:41<cesurasean>ultra 2, is this i386?
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15:42<ayarter>No, its a sparc64.
15:42<cesurasean>ultra sparc?
15:42<cesurasean>well, that's why.
15:42<ayarter>Yeah. Lenny runs great on my ancient laptop too though.
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15:42<cesurasean>one of my machines has to run a lower kernel just to run Lenny, so some parts of Lenny don't actually work. lol
15:43<ayarter>and when xorg 1.74 runs on this machine, ts awesome. lol
15:43<ayarter>which machine?
15:43<cesurasean>has an AMD Thunderbird processor, or some shit.
15:43<cesurasean>K7
15:43<ayarter>oh wow. I remember those!
15:43<cesurasean>1.7ghz, or something.
15:44<cesurasean>runs fine. <knocks on wood since it's lightning and raining like crazy outside>
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15:44<cesurasean>lol
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15:45<ayarter>thats' what my laptop is
15:45<ayarter>1.7 ghz 512 mb
15:46<cesurasean>this server has 1 gig ram, and it has no X, and min install of programs.... RAID 1 config
15:46<cesurasean>or pc
15:46<cesurasean>I call it a server though.
15:46<cesurasean>my cheapo servers. LOL
15:46<ayarter>that should be fine though. lol
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15:47<ayarter>Oh, mine's a 1ghz PIII, 2 gb ram running solaris 9 x86
15:47<cesurasean>the other one is 3ghz pentium D or something, and has same 1 gig ram and same HD's
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15:47<ayarter>funny, my suns running linux, and my x86 running solaris
15:47<cesurasean>well, faster ddr ram, but 1 gig.
15:47<cesurasean>lol
15:47<cesurasean>that is pretty funny.
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15:48<ayarter>so, I've followed the directions for the xorg backport. Now I uninstall my xorg stuff and install the resulting debs?
15:48<ayarter>ces:I just don't want to shop for parts when the server goes down.
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15:48<cesurasean>ayarter: I used to walk through Sun Microsystem's parking lot on the way to work about 2 years ago
15:48<cesurasean>I was working at Apple at the time.
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15:49<ayarter>oh, nice!
15:49<cesurasean>yeah, it was pretty neat.
15:49<jurg`>When I try to run "make menuconfig" in the kernel-source directory I got from installing linux-headers-2.6.30-686, it dies with the message: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.30-1-common/scripts/Makefile.build:44: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.30-1-common/scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory
15:49<ayarter>I'm a huge sun fan. I'm sad that I'm going to have to eventually upgrade my workstation.
15:49<ayarter>to something non sparc
15:49<jurg`>Anything I need to install first?
15:49<cesurasean>this was in Texas
15:49<jurg`>Debian testing**
15:49<cesurasean>yeah
15:50<ayarter>sney: So I just install the deb packages, or uninstall my old ones?
15:50<cesurasean>most everything has moved over to Intel anyways.
15:50<ayarter>this machine is a 2 x 1.6 ghz sparc with 8gb ram
15:50<ayarter>and I love it.
15:50<cesurasean>dual core?
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15:50<ayarter>well, dual cpu.
15:50<cesurasean>oh
15:51<cesurasean>yeah, I think Intel and AMD are the only ones with more cores, from what I can tell....
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15:51<ayarter>nah, the new sparc line I think is 4 or 8 core.
15:51<cesurasean>that's a lot of power to run two processors.
15:51<ayarter>and 5 digits pricewise too
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15:52<Txt_file>cesurasean: what about PowerPC/Cell
15:52<cesurasean>I haven't heard of any of those....
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15:52<ayarter>Well, my landlord pays electricity, so
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15:52<ayarter>Its the heat that's more of a problem with this machine.
15:52<cesurasean>well, I know PowerPC, but I didn't know they came out with multi core.
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15:53<cesurasean>lol
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15:54<cesurasean>I guess it just depends on your processor pref.
15:54<cesurasean>my next cpu is gonna be intel though
15:54<ayarter>I'm so confused about this backporting business.
15:55<ayarter>ces:I don't think I have a choice in that. I haven't used intel in years, but blah.
15:55<Txt_file>has some experience with a creatix 948 DVB-T/DVB-S card? I just don't get the DVB-S part working
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15:55<cesurasean>backporting doesn't seem like a good idea to me
15:55<cesurasean>unless it's a must.
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15:55<ayarter>ces:Xorg before 1.74 doesn't support pci domains.
15:56<ayarter>and I must have xoprg 1.74 to use my vid card, but unstable just keeps breaking. lol
15:56<ayarter>and I really don't care to go back to solaris if I can help it.
15:56<ayarter>and a source compile of xorg.... ew.
15:56<cesurasean>did you add backports to your sources.list for apt?
15:56<ayarter>I did, but there's no backport.
15:57<ayarter>So I had to build one.
15:57<cesurasean>add those repos, and just apt-get install
15:57<ayarter>Now I'm stuck with all of these deb packages that I know I must install
15:57<cesurasean>it's not very hard.
15:57<ayarter>But, since its xorg, I don't know if I should just install them
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15:58<ayarter>but since its xorg, I don't know if I should uninstall my current xorg
15:58<cesurasean>yeah, have fun compiling.
15:58<cesurasean>yes
15:58<cesurasean>uninstall your current xorg
15:58<cesurasean>I would think.
15:58<ayarter>and then reinstall the resulting packages with dpkg, right?
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15:59<cesurasean>hmm...
15:59<teebee>anyone using kmldonkey? I get blank download and upload tabs although it is correctly downloading/uploading? I'm on kde 4.3
15:59<cesurasean>it all depends on what those older xorg depends on....
15:59<cesurasean>lol
15:59<ayarter>and uninstalling xorg wants to remove most of my x apps.
15:59<cesurasean>yeah
15:59<cesurasean>it's going to remove everything xorg.
15:59<ayarter>well, I'm running stable.
15:59<ayarter>sid works just fine, but man. sid isn't fun to use.
16:00<cesurasean>why not just go download an older copy of debian?
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16:00<cesurasean>use sid, without updating the X.
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16:00<cesurasean>or Etch, if etch works.
16:00<ayarter>well, sid only works because it has xorg 1.74
16:01<cesurasean>why do you need X on such an old machine anyhow? :)
16:01<ayarter>on a sunblade? lol. Its only a few years old.
16:01<cesurasean>oh
16:02<cesurasean>have you tried Etch?
16:02<ayarter>I have. Still no pci domain support.
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16:02<cesurasean>Well, you can put in a request,
16:03<ayarter>or just run sid =(
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16:03<cesurasean>and/or just run Sid and update everything but X
16:03<cesurasean>well, you can make Sid a Lenny, but not with an updated X. LOL
16:03<cesurasean>so it seems.
16:04<cesurasean>I don't think anyone figured someone would use a machine like that for a workstation.
16:04<ayarter>lol, I know. PCI domain support is a pain :)
16:04<ayarter>sid is great, until I install a new package.
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16:06<cesurasean>lol
16:06<cesurasean>I forget what my K7's problem is. I just gave up on trying to fix the kernel panic.
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16:06<ayarter>That's lame. Those were actaully decent cpus.
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16:07<cesurasean>yeah, it's just not supported anymore.
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16:07<cesurasean>I can't even run the Lenny install cd....
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16:08<cesurasean>that CPU is about 5 - 7 years old though.
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16:09<cesurasean>either it's the CPU, or the motherboard.
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16:09<cesurasean>pci bus
16:10<cesurasean>I forget. I just gave up and keep it running on the old kernel. It's going to die eventually anyways since it's so old.
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16:11<ayarter>you never know. I have 15 year old machines that I just wont part with
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16:12<ayarter>Its gonne be sid. man.
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16:12<ayarter>not what I wanted.
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16:13<Txt_file>has someone experience with a creatix 948 DVB-T/DVB-S card? I installed the card to my server but I get neither DVB-T nor DVB-S. I want to stream the DVB-S signal in my home network.
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16:16<locsmif>Txt_file, I know both Sidux and Kanotix (Debian derivates) have developers with expertise in that area, if necessary, you could try out these distros and ask them for support too...from there you maybe able to use that experience on Debian
16:17<Txt_file>locsmif: thank you ... I will try there IRC and mailing-lists
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16:17<locsmif>Txt_file, Sidux is on oftc, Kanotix on Freenode, they're both German distros.
16:17-!-jens__ [~quassel@p5B06F3ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:17<locsmif>Well uhm.. originate from Germany, sort of.
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16:19<Txt_file>I won't have a problem if the distro would be from australia. So long there are people that can help me. *g*
16:19<locsmif>Txt_file, I say so because DVB is big in DE..
16:19<Txt_file>that's new to me
16:19<Txt_file>and I live here in Ger
16:20<locsmif>I know..I checked your ip with whois ;-)
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16:20<Txt_file>you mean ...
16:21<sebastian_>hey hello to all of you :)
16:21<locsmif>Txt_file, well, I suspected you were German because you mentioned DVB.. ;-)
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16:21<sebastian_>i have a little questions ...
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16:21<sebastian_>i am uninstalling a packages qith apt-get remove
16:22<sebastian_>but it told me that it wil also remove my desktop environment gnome
16:22<sebastian_>i want to delete swfdec
16:22<sebastian_>if i run apt-get autoremove it will also remove all gnome
16:23<Txt_file>sebastian_: I would fix this with aptitude ... open aptitude as root and set the package gnome to manual installed
16:23<sebastian_>i will
16:24<sebastian_>thanks a lot .... but tell me where is in aptitude the option manual installed
16:24<locsmif>sebastian_, don't use autoremove, use deborphan | xargs apt-get -y --purge remove
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16:25<sebastian_>Txt_file, i am using synaptics .... can i do what you said in synaptics ?
16:25<Txt_file>sebastian_: I think so
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16:25<Txt_file>but I don't know where you can change this in synaptics
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16:26<sebastian_>and in aptitude, do you know
16:27<Txt_file>its the keybord-key m
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16:28<sebastian_>thanks a lot :)
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16:36<bremner>bah, smartctl -a /dev/sdb says "NO MEDIUM present on device". That can't be good, since it is an external harddrive. /me looks for screwdriver...
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16:41<sebastian_>thanks to all ... :)
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17:08<bremner>weird. I have a seagate 120G drive that works fine in my thinkpad, a samsung 320G that works in the thinkpad or my generic USB housing, but the seagate doesn't show up at all in the external housing.
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17:11<pergo>como creo un canal en freedone
17:13<bja>pergo: esto es oftc no freenode
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17:14<bja>y este canal es en inglés, si quieres /j #debian-es
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17:15<tmc>hi, im runningubuntu and im trying to make an lfs system on an external hd. how doo i do it
17:15<Ganneff>!ubuntu
17:15<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
17:15<bja>tmc: ask in #ubuntu @irc.freenode.net
17:16<tmc>yeah iv tried, they dont talk much
17:16<tmc>anyway its not really to do with ubuntu,
17:17<bja>tmc: that is one problem,
17:17<bja>the details diverge enough to be a pain for someone without ubuntu to figure out
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17:17<bja>the devil is in the details :(
17:17<tmc>ok ill repost
17:17<tmc> im trying to make an lfs system on an external hd. how doo i do it
17:17<bja>good luck
17:18<bja>but not here, on #ubuntu and have patience
17:18<tmc>thnks
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17:20<Hideo>tmc: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/support.html
17:21<bja>tmc: sometimes a knowledgefull soul will have pity
17:22<tmc>thnks, theres actually a lfs-irc channel
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17:36<tux>Hello, i tried to recompile the nvidia-kernel-module with module-assistant for 2.6.30-1 testing, but i can not load the nvidia-module (with modprobe), getting following error: "FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.30-1-486/nvidia/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format" Does anyone know how to help me? Thx in advance!
17:37<mjt>!xclient
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17:38<mjt>tux: see dmesg
17:40<chealer>tux: which Linux image do you use?
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17:42<tux>i use the 2.6.30-1-486 kernel, is that what u talk of?
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17:43<tux>dmesg gives nothing special i think, only sth like "nvidia: no symbol version for module_layout"
17:44<chealer>tux: yes
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17:44<Squelos>hi
17:44<chealer>tux: which version of nvidia-kernel-source did you use?
17:45<tux>173.14.09-5 - i think the standard package for testing
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17:46<Squelos>im running lenny, and i want to install soulseek. Which package should i choose ? http://sensi.org/~ak/pyslsk/
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17:48<chealer>tux: please provide module-assistant's buildlog
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17:57<jthomas_sb_>I've got an older Debian system, it was Testing in 2005. I cannot seem to create any file named '0' (zero). For example when I start vim, I get an error, ' E484: Cannot open file /tmp/v538589/0 ' Any ideas? I have the same issue when I try to touch a file named 0 or when CUPS trys to create a file at /var/run/cups/certs/0
17:58<tux>needed some time, and sry for the german words in it, dont know how to get only english for u: http://codepad.org/tJNb9Szo
17:59<ml|>tux: LANG=C 'command' for english output
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18:01<tux>Thx! Here the english output: http://codepad.org/g1VV6lbu
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18:05<chealer>tux: why are you using -f ?
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18:07<chealer>jthomas_sb_: if the system wasn't updated since 2005, it's not supported
18:07<jthomas_sb_>not unexpected i guess ;)
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18:09<tux>I use the -f cause else there is a message "Target package ... already exists. Dont rebuild".
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18:13<ml|>tux: unless chealer has another way you need to install nvidia stuff from sid to do what you want
18:14<chealer>tux: oh. well, I don't get why the package builds successfully with all these errors and warnings.
18:15<tux>yeah, thats my problem too ;)
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18:16<chealer>tux: what happens if you remove the .deb instead of using -f ?
18:16<chealer>tux: what is the size of the module?
18:17<chealer>tux: I agree with ml|, I'm just curious how you even got that package to build
18:17<ml|>yes it should not at all
18:17<tux>size is 2.5mb
18:17<tux>like the other old .deb's
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18:19<tux>if i remove the package manually it doesnt work either, same output
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18:20<tux>ok, then i need to try the unstable version :/ thx anyway for your help!
18:20<bja>the program to extract the files from a .deb package is ar right?
18:20<ml|>tux: it will work with sid version
18:21<ml|>bja: iirc yes
18:21<bja>ml|: thx, nice to see you around
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18:37<rudepeople>question about testing/unstable mixing... I followed the tum doc from dpkg, when I do an apt-get upgrade, it attempts to upgrade components from sid... I do NOT want this... is there a way to tell apt to only update/install from sid if specified to do so?
18:37<chealer>bja: right
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18:37<chealer>rudepeople: if you don't mind, why don't you want this?
18:37<ml|>rudepeople: did you make the /etc/apt/apt.conf like suggested?
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18:38<bja>chealer: thx
18:38<rudepeople>ml|: yes, I did. cheater: I have had bad experiences in the past with release mixing... I only do it now for the nvidia driver.
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18:39<ml|>rudepeople: you should not have an issue, atleast i never had
18:39<rudepeople>ml|: could it be that my apt.conf file specifies "testing" where my sourses.list file specifies by distro name?
18:40<rudepeople>ml|: nm, I think I found my problem... I just checked my apt.conf file... empty...
18:40<ml|>rudepeople: yes, remember i said you needed to either change that or your sources.list and ask the channels for pro and cons of each
18:41<rudepeople>gotcha... thanks again!
18:42<ml|>rudepeople: np, try it now and let us know if it works fine now
18:42<rudepeople>ml|: working
18:43<rudepeople>hmmm... nope, still wants to install components from sid!
18:44<ml|>how does your /etc/apt/apt.conf look like?
18:44<rudepeople>one moment...
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18:46<rudepeople>ml|:http://pastebin.com/f376e0425
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18:47<chealer>!tum
18:47<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
18:47<ml|>rudepeople: i guess you must use testing there
18:47<chealer>rudepeople: your apt.conf should be exactly like that
18:47<ml|>not squeeze
18:48<rudepeople>ml|: ok, then should I also change my sources.list to reflect the same?
18:48<ml|>never new that since i use testing everywhere
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18:48<ml|>rudepeople: ask the channel for the pros and cons of that
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18:48<rudepeople>ml|: is there a ref from dpkg?
18:49<ml|>not that i know of
18:49<rudepeople>k
18:49<ml|>i use testing and unstable in my sources.list
18:49<rudepeople>I already know the pros and cons... I preferr to stay with squeeze after the dist upgrade happens...
18:50<ml|>ok
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18:50<ml|>but apt.conf must use "testing"
18:50<ml|>apparently
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18:53<rudepeople>where does apt cache its updates when downloading?
18:54<cahoot> /var/cache/apt/archives?
18:55<rudepeople>thank you.\
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18:56<Cyb3rSniFF>Does anyone know the key combination to get the Grub boot menu?
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18:58<ml|>Cyb3rSniFF: you mean to edit one of the lines at boot time?
19:00<Cyb3rSniFF>yep, I want to start up in sigle user mode
19:00<Cyb3rSniFF>because gdm is crashing the machine
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19:01<ml|>you should see that at boot without doing anything is your menu.lst is setup right
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19:01<ml|>s/is/if
19:01<Cyb3rSniFF>i guess i've changed it to timeout 0
19:01<Cyb3rSniFF>noprompt or sth.
19:02<ml|>change it to 5 or so
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19:03<Cyb3rSniFF>i would do that if i only could start up the machine
19:03<Cyb3rSniFF>... in single user mode
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19:05<ml|>you should get a menu to select single user mode
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19:14<Guest1741>I am trying to figure out how to forwarded all the packets from port 1 to 65535 from 192.168.1.5 to 192.168.1.6 to port 8080?
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19:25<Cyb3rSniFF>ml|, it was ESC anyway grub did not allow me to select a menu item and just booted the default
19:26<Cyb3rSniFF>but i could login via ssh and uninstall the damn proprietary graphic driver
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19:29<ml|>Cyb3rSniFF: ok, did you change the timeout to anything other than 0?, by changing that to say 5 you get a menu allowing you to select your installed kernels etc..
19:30<Cyb3rSniFF>yeah, i did, it's time now to find out why the fonts in gdm and x are broken
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19:33<ml|>Cyb3rSniFF: well, i don't know then, but you can also try pressing 'e' and manually edit one of the entries, once done editing hit "b" to boot or try to with your edited line
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19:36<Cyb3rSniFF>thx ml|, booting works fine now. i am just trying to figure out why my fonts are broken and why dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver isn't helping
19:36<uzu-cat>hey, i can not open mp3 files and avi files
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19:37<owner>wth
19:37<ml|>Cyb3rSniFF: in tty or X?
19:37<owner>X
19:37<Cyb3rSniFF>gdm and x
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19:38<uzu-cat>i has installed win32, but it does not work
19:38<owner>get out palacio
19:39<uzu-cat>when i tried to play an avi file totem reports me that i has to install these decoders:
19:39<uzu-cat>MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3) decoder MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3) decoder XVID MPEG-4 decoder
19:40<Cyb3rSniFF>only the fonts and icons are broken, the background image looks good
19:40<ml|>Cyb3rSniFF: ok, i have no idea
19:41<uzu-cat>does anyone how to install these decoders?
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19:42<uzu-cat>**does anyone know how to install these decoders?
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19:43<uzu-cat>hey guys :(
19:43<ml|>uzu-cat: to play mp3 all you should need is lame
19:43<uzu-cat>xDDD
19:43<Cyb3rSniFF>ml|: neigher do i :D, i guess i have the reinstall all the stuff
19:43<uzu-cat>ok
19:44<ml|>Cyb3rSniFF: having other problems also?
19:44<uzu-cat>oh, i has it already installed and it doesn't works yet
19:44<xxleet>http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=Linux+Mp3+Decoders
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19:45<ml|>i never had problems playing mp3's or avi's using mplayer
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19:46<uzu-cat>hm.. i do not understand.. xD
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19:46<ml|>or any other audio player to play mp3's after installing lame
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19:48<Cyb3rSniFF>ml| no other problems, i guess a config file is screwed are the dist upgrade
19:48<uzu-cat>which audio player do you recommend me?
19:49<Cyb3rSniFF>s/are/after
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19:50<ml|>Cyb3rSniFF: try asking again in a bit on your issue, i have no idea and don't use gdm good luck
19:51<Cyb3rSniFF>thx
19:51<xxleet>what is it you guys are having trouble with?
19:51<ml|>uzu-cat: you can try with a smiple player to start 'mplayer'
19:51<ml|>*simple
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19:52<bja>Guest1741: you need iptables to do that
19:53<uzu-cat>r
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19:57<uzu-cat>see ya! ;)
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20:02<aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa>Hi.
20:02<Guest1741>what is wrong with this statement iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.1.5 --sport 1:65535 -d 192.168.1.6 --dport 80 -j ACCEPT
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20:03<bja>Guest1741: wrong chain
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20:03<Guest1741>output?
20:03<bja>Guest1741: you need to forward those on the nat table
20:03<Guest1741>Can you please give me example that will work?
20:03<turgo>um iniciante em linux, Sera que tem alguem que fale portugues?
20:04<llimeht>!pt
20:04<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
20:04<bja>!br
20:04<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
20:04<turgo>brasil
20:04<Guest1741>Please?
20:04<turgo>e vove de onde é?
20:04<bja>Guest1741: wait a sec i'll paste you a scipt
20:04<Guest1741>Thank you
20:05<turgo>tichau bja
20:05<Guest1741>You can paste it on a site on the internet if you like and give me the url for it?
20:05<llimeht>turgo: /join #debian-br
20:06<turgo>ta ok
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20:10<bja>Guest1741: http://pastebin.org/16595
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20:10<Guest1741>Thank you
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20:11<bja>Guest1741: Don't hesitate to ask
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20:19<psa>Anyone seeing an issue with DHCP through relays from the initrd? I've found bug reports related to etch, but we're using lenny (and a full update + initrd rebuild didn't work either).
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20:31<g06|in>How is that with this aptitude preferences http://pastebin.ca/1560530, aptitude upgraded my system to sid instead of maintaining it at squeeze? dist-upgrade always ends up in sid?
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21:28<k1LL_O2>hey!
21:29<rudepeople>wtf! aptitude is broke! I tried to run "aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi" and it returns "Unknown command 'install'"
21:29<rudepeople>the aptitude help section SPECIFIES install...
21:29<rudepeople>reinstall?
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21:30<abrotman>rudepeople: put this in a pastebin
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21:31<rudepeople>put what in a pastebin?
21:32<abrotman>the command you use and the output
21:33<rudepeople>abrotman: k... working...
21:33<rudepeople>http://pastebin.com/f61266f64
21:33<rafael>opa
21:34<abrotman>rudepeople: the command is "install" not whatever you've typed there
21:34<ml|>rudepeople: look at it closely
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21:35<rudepeople>yeah... I noticed... funnything, that funky character is NOT present in the terminal, nor the error file I created... meh.
21:36<rudepeople>ok, problem solved, thanks abrotman, and ml|
21:37<ml|>np, sometimes more eyes help ;)
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22:00<rudepeople>Is there anyway to get the nvidia control panel?
22:01<rudepeople>nm
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22:08<Youngfe>Guys, hello! I'm using Debian AMD64 Squeeze, and now i get the new about 2.6.31 kernel and kms vt support for ATI cards. Please can you tell me if it works on Radeon r500 series?
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22:14<Youngfe>please anyone knows?
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22:25<neo_dv>debian or ubuntu server? what is the best solution for a gateway/firewall at 24/7 bussiness network ?
22:25<Youngfe>Probably Debian XD
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22:43<jon23d>help! I'm logged into my server from a recovery disk and cannot mount my hardrive - no matter what I try I get: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /mnt busy
22:43<jon23d>though I cannot find it listed anywhere
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22:49<abrotman>what does 'mount' say ?
22:50<jon23d>proc on /proc type proc (rw)
22:50<jon23d>sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
22:50<jon23d>usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
22:50<jon23d>tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
22:50<jon23d>devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
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22:50<jon23d>whoops, kicked
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22:53<abrotman>!paste
22:53<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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22:56<jon23d>http://pastebin.com/m528a87dd
22:58<abrotman>lsof?
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23:05<jon23d>not installed?
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23:27<xeon-enouf>!installit
23:27<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
23:28<xeon-enouf>wow ... late ... heh
23:28<jon23d>yeah, except it wasn't...
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23:33<Bob_Dole>So I spent most a day trying to install Debian on a Sun Ultra 5, and eventually gave up(I even used gentoo to fix the partition table)
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23:39<Hideo>that's b/c you're a potitician
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