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---Logopened Fri Sep 11 00:00:41 2009
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00:32<d3co>internet by konsole?
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00:43<Roco3D>lynx
00:44<d3co>lynx or links??
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00:59<dwon>What's a good RSS aggregator for people who track 500+ feeds? Akregator used to be good, but recent releases are unusable.
00:59<dwon>s/are unusable/crash/
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01:02<ml|>dpkg links2
01:02<dpkg>[links2] a text and graphics browser with support for HTTPS and JavaScript, packaged for Debian. For using in console as GUI (with mouse and keys support), see /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian (so you can use as regular non-root user when running in console in GUI mode). Ask me about <links2 settings>. Does not honor the <http_proxy> / <ftp_proxy> environment variables (Debian bugs #55425, #93359). http://links.twibright.com/
01:02<cybercat>Hello, I am having a problem installing a mail server on my debian server I am running a pop 3 server called cyrus. Can anyone help me configure it?
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01:04<cybercat>I have done everything normally
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01:06<cybercat>Can anyone help me install a pop server on Debian pls? I know this is a unusal request but I would like to have my mail server up on my server
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01:20<RedMaw>hey, how do find out what my ip is when using DHCP (like the linux alternative to ipconfig)?
01:20<jm_>!myip
01:20<dpkg>To get your ip: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub\"addr:",""\;print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ [\d\.]+<.+/$1/;'
01:21<d3co>!lynx
01:21<dpkg>a good i mean rocking web browser!, or the ultimate solution to banner ads, or to stop a transfer, hit Ctrl-G, or a piece of shit. <links> ownz it. See also <oldlynx>.
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01:22<RedMaw>damn that's an awful string just for the ip
01:22<RedMaw>thanks
01:23<RedMaw>second question, why does my system refuse ssh connections?
01:23<jm_>it's for lamers who can't get the IP themselves, if you only want to read it yourself use ifconfig command
01:23<jm_>get as in parse out
01:23<RedMaw>ifconfig doesn't do anything for me
01:24<jm_>as user?
01:24<RedMaw>yeah
01:24<RedMaw>says command doesn't exist
01:24<jm_>it's not in your path by default - /sbin/ifconfig
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01:25<RedMaw>it'll work when I finish setting the system up, haven't installed iwalgn yet
01:25<RedMaw>working on the ssh problem first
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01:25<jm_>how does it refuse them?
01:25<blu3sy>have a problem to install sqlite3-ruby, have installed all needed libs
01:26<blu3sy>ut still get the message failed to build gem native extension
01:26<blu3sy>any ideas?
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01:27<RedMaw>just says connection refused
01:27<jm_>!connection refused
01:27<dpkg>When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things.
01:27<lia>ge
01:28<blu3sy>nobody can help me?
01:28<RedMaw>so ssh is a service? didn't think it was
01:28<jm_>why does it show up in /etc/services then?
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01:28<RedMaw>never looked
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01:29<RedMaw>so do you know how to enable it when gnome is installed?
01:30<jm_>yes, install ssh server it just like you install any other package
01:30<blu3sy>jm_ any idea for my problem
01:30<blu3sy>?
01:31<jm_>blu3sy: no, not without some details
01:31<blu3sy>i exposed the problem but you were busy helping redmaw gonna paste it
01:31<jm_>no I saw it, but it lacks all the details
01:32<blu3sy>have a problem to install sqlite3-ruby, have installed all needed libs
01:32<blu3sy><blu3sy> ut still get the message failed to build gem native extension
01:32<blu3sy><blu3sy> any ideas?
01:32<lia>what kind of problem?
01:32<lia>can i help u?
01:32<blu3sy>i want to use sqlite with msf
01:33<blu3sy>so i installed rubygems and all needed libs
01:33<RedMaw>damn, it's been so long I forgot you had to install ssh >_>. Thanks again jm
01:33<jm_>RedMaw: openssh-server, ssh is just a transitional package that shall go away
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01:34*nextime hates splashy and usplash
01:34<RedMaw>yeah that's the one I used last time
01:34<blu3sy> sudo gem install sqlite3-ruby
01:34<blu3sy>Building native extensions. This could take a while...
01:34<blu3sy>ERROR: Error installing sqlite3-ruby:
01:34<blu3sy> ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension.
01:34<blu3sy>/usr/bin/ruby1.8 extconf.rb install sqlite3-ruby
01:34-!-blu3sy was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
01:35<jm_>wtf, I thought this was about libsqlite3-ruby package, good thing I didn't get involved
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01:36<blu3sy>?
01:38<nextime>anyone know if there is any real alternative to bootsplash instead of splashy and/or usplash?
01:39<Roco3D>what about plymouth??
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01:41<nextime>Roco3D : is for me? i don't know what plymouth is, i try to search on google
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01:43<nextime>Roco3D : can plymouth set a background image in a frame buffer terminal? what i'm searching isn't just the boot splash but also to have a background on the frame buffer consoles
01:43<nextime>this is why i say that splashy isn't a good replacement for bootsplash
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01:45<nextime>uh, uhmm, i found fbsplash from gentoo, it seem to be what i need
01:45<Roco3D>yeah
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01:46<Roco3D>it seems that plymouth works like splashy
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01:46<nextime>amazing, fbsplash provide also debian packages for sid, and bootsplash themes can be converted to fbsplash themes with a simple conversion tools
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01:47<nextime>i just need a little patch to the kernel for have also the frame buffer console background feature
01:47<nextime>but this it's ok as it was the same also with bootsplash
01:48*nextime build a patched kernel
01:48<blu3sy>somebody here use sqlite ruby?
01:49<jm_>blu3sy: are you using Debian?
01:49*nextime uses sqlite but hates ruby
01:49<blu3sy>yeah
01:49<jm_>so use debian packages for sqlite interface in ruby
01:50<blu3sy>that's what i did
01:50<blu3sy>it's a freaky thing
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01:51<jm_>I doubt sudo gem install is using debian packages
01:52<blu3sy>are u kidding me
01:53<nextime>blu3sy probably jm_ is saying that you should install sqlite ruby bindings by aptitude/apt-get install libsqlite3-ruby instead of using gem
01:54<simonrvn>jm_: it isn't ;)
01:56*nextime try to resists and to don't start a flame for ruby vs python :P
01:57<blu3sy>i'm so stupid thanks nextime and jm for ur time
01:57<simonrvn>it's not stupid, it's ignorance, and maybe a lack of forethought too
01:58<jm_>blu3sy: just remember, always look for a debian package first when you try to install something
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01:58<nextime>...and is there isn't a debian package, it doesn't exists!
01:59<nextime>:D
01:59<nextime>( i'm joking, don't blame me! )
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01:59<nextime>s/is/if
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01:59<blu3sy>thanks
01:59<blu3sy>gonna make some tests
02:00<nextime>oh, kernel build done. Let's try fbsplash
02:02<nextime>wonderfull, it work good out of the box and it do what i need.
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03:01<am>hi to all, ihave downloaded e1000e.tar.gz and extracted in /usr/src/modules/ and given command to build module as #m-a a-i e1000e ..i am getting reply as e1000e,what is e1000e?
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03:06<dbast>m-a needs specialy prepared sources... you cannot build any random source tarball ...
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03:18<am>dbast, specially prepared source...how to make this downloaded source to compile with m-a
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03:22<dbast>how about just installing a 2.6.30 kernel-image from backports.org that has a much newer e1000e mudule included?
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03:29<am>dbast, i like to test .tar.gz with m-a
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03:34<Tekla>i don't need mtd support for the actual RAM, right?
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03:54<xeon-enouf>what?
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04:02<Yoda-BZH>matin/hi
04:03<bcochofel>Hi, using sfdisk is there a way to delete all partitions without given the number?
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04:07<jm_>bcochofel: are you saying storing an empty one and using that file with -I doesn't work?
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04:09<bcochofel>jm_, I have a script to create a specific set of partitions, but first I need to delete all the previous partitions
04:10<bcochofel>so, in my script, I want to delete all before I create mine
04:10<jm_>bcochofel: did you read what I just said?
04:11<bcochofel>jm_, guess I didn't understand
04:11<bcochofel>are you saying to create a empty one and restore it?
04:12<jm_>bcochofel: sfdisk can be used to remember current layout in a file, which can then be used to restore partition table - try this with an empty one
04:12<jm_>yes
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04:12<bcochofel>jm_, ok, gonna check that, thx
04:13<aina>hi guyz
04:14<aina>im trying to launch an app on a server on the command-line : first I ssh into the remote box but how can I close my terminal and in the same time having the app still running on the server ?
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04:15<jm_>aina: what kind of app?
04:15<aina>jm_, it's a java application that i launch on the command-line
04:15<aina>jm_, it's called jmeter, it's an open source load-testing app
04:15<jm_>aina: does it need a tty?
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04:17<aina>well I don't know but when i just know that when i need to run it : i have to ssh into the box and lauch the shell-script for running it like this : # jmeter-server
04:18<jm_>aina: well you can use screen if it needs a tty, otherwise use nohup
04:18<aina>when i close my console the it's aborting : i don't know how to make it run on the box even i close my console
04:18<aina>screen ? i've already heard 'bout it
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04:18<aina>can u give me an short explanation of how it works ?
04:18<aina>plz
04:18<aina>just in a sentence so as i can start ...
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04:19<jm_>there are many tutorials for using screen, also -- info screen
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04:19<jm_>in short you start screen, you start your app in screen, then detach it
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04:20<aina>ah ok
04:20<aina>that's great
04:20<aina>jm_, well i'll look for it
04:20<aina>thx a lot for the help
04:20<aina>;)
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04:21<jm_>np
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04:35<bcochofel>jm_, ok, guess I don't understand what's supposed to be in the -I <file>
04:35<aina>bah tout le monde parle français à ce que je vosi
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04:49<jm_>bcochofel: create it with -O first and see
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05:01<neglesaks>question - any problems with the debian repos? my synaptic is unable to mark upgrades to packages.
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05:02<dsds>hi all
05:02<lili_>j
05:02<dsds>i have a problem wi-fi
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05:02<dsds>i need auth wpa2, but this...
05:03<dsds>Trying to associate with .... (SSID='sss' freq=2412 MHz)
05:03<dsds>CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
05:03<dsds>Authentication with timed out.
05:03<dsds>what I need wrang ?
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05:11<Tekla>what re PHY devices?
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05:14<neglesaks>PHY typically means the PHysical layer of a netowrk interface
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05:15<neglesaks>question - do i need to alter my repositoryy information to enable updates to 5.0.3?
05:15<azeem>neglesaks: no
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05:16<neglesaks>azeem, thanks for answering.
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05:16<jm_>neglesaks: as long as you have security.d.o in the list
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05:17<neglesaks>i do, but since the 5th, ive been getting these errors... http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/updates/main/source/Sources: 404 Not Found
05:17<jm_>that's not related to security, that's a regular mirror
05:18<neglesaks>so im wondering if ive done somethign wrong or if the repos is havign problems
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05:18<jm_>you seem to have the same entry as for security also for your mirror
05:20<neglesaks>what ive got for security is this - http://security.debian.org/ - but there is not connection problems for that. move up the list then?
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05:20<jm_>if you have sources.list entry for it just ignore/remove the above
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05:22<neglesaks>i still can't seem to mark any updates. thansk for helping tho
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05:23<jm_>what does "mark any updates" mean?
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05:24<neglesaks>im using synaptic and i use it weekly to update my packages from the repositories
05:25<buffoon_work>I have a server running debian lenny and I have to mount a SMB share on a Windows Server during boot. I added the line in the fstab (cifs filesystem with the option auto) but it doesn't get mounted... right after logging in I can do "mount -a" and everything's mounted. Any suggestions?
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05:26<jm_>so perhaps there are no updates for you
05:27<neglesaks>i hope it is somethig that simple. thanks jm_
05:27<jm_>neglesaks: you can check DSA announcements for this week etc.
05:28<themill>neglesaks: perhaps you want to pastebin the output of: aptitude update ; apt-cache policy ; aptitude search ~U; apt-cache policy linux-image-$(uname -r)
05:28<jm_>hopefully it's not a similar problem like yesterday where it seems someone had pkglist files with modified timestamps
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05:29<themill>jm_: yeah, been seeing that a bit recently
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05:52<neglesaks>one moment, pardon my absence
05:53<neglesaks>here you go, sorry for the wait. http://pastebin.com/d2d2e6465
05:54<jm_>Couldn't lock list directory..are you root?
05:54<jm_>you don't have entries for a regular mirror either
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05:57<neglesaks>i disabled it as it gave a 404
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05:59<wirr>hi everybody
05:59<buffoon_work>I have a server running debian lenny and I have to mount a SMB share on a Windows Server during boot. I added the line in the fstab (cifs filesystem with the option auto) but it doesn't get mounted... right after logging in I can do "mount -a" and everything's mounted. Any suggestions?
06:00<jm_>simply switch to another working mirror - why insisting on using a regular mirror that gives 404 for "main"?
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06:00<neglesaks>good point, i was looking for an alternative close mirror, but i havent foudn a repo list yet.
06:00<wirr>just upgraded from lenny to squeeze and experienced a strange behaviour with loop-encrypted rootfs. for some reason checkroot.sh tries to run fsck on the underlying partition (which obviously fails) instead of the decrypted loop1 device. can anyone help?
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06:01<jm_>http://www.debian.org/distrib/ftplist for a list of mirrors
06:04<neglesaks>thank you jm_ !
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06:06<jm_>np
06:08<themill>neglesaks: the de mirror is usually quite reliable
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06:09<themill>neglesaks: you might also want to omit "lenny-proposed-updates" from your list. There are few occasions when an end user actually wants to use that repository.
06:10<neglesaks>thank you, themill , i am indeed aiming for a top stable system on this box. :)
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06:11<neglesaks>oh and a good weekend to everyone
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06:36<wirr>nobody here is familiar with the behaviour of checkroot.sh?
06:37<jm_>wirr: are you sure the issue is there?
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06:45<wirr>jm_: no, it's just an assumption. comparing lennys and squeeze scripts shows no substantial difference
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06:52<jm_>wirr: some people reported issues with crypt-setup lately
06:52<jm_>oh well
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06:59<Bunnyh>I also noticed on unstable with insserv, that it now fails on checkroot.sh because the encrypted root device was not yet created in /dev/mapper. I had to make an ugly workaround for that, but I really need to become more familiar with that part of the boot scripts...
07:02<themill>Bunnyh: have you checked the BTS and reported this if it's not there already? Attaching what you altered would be handy too, even if you think it's a bit ugly it helps people work out the right direction.
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07:09<Bunnyh>Well, my workaround was to just clone the device node that is used to mount the encrypted rootfs from my bootstrap system, copying it to the encrypt root filesystem's /lib/udev/devices/mapper before switching root and running init. That way it got created before checkroot.sh tried to use it, but that is REALLY ugly :)
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07:18<basicgeek>hi
07:19<basicgeek>Do you know where I could find some help to set up the framebuffer ?
07:20<basicgeek>I just did a fresh install of debian, and I have in /boot/config-2.6.26-2-286 the following line : CONFIG_FB=y
07:20<basicgeek>however, there is no /dev/dbX
07:20<basicgeek>my bad, /dev/fbX
07:20<Bunnyh>Have you checked the kernel documentation for your framebuffer device? http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/fb
07:20<basicgeek>and MAKEDEV fb returns .udevfb or .udev presence implies active udev. Aborting MAKEDEV invocation
07:21<jm_>did you load FB module for your chipset or vesa or whatever?
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07:21<basicgeek>I didn't do anything
07:21<basicgeek>I though that the line CONFIG_FB=y meant that the framebuffer was compiled in the kernel
07:21<jm_>that's just generic FB support, you need to check other FB options too
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07:23<basicgeek>jm_: do you have a guide or a howto which could indicate which ones ?
07:23<jm_>basicgeek: first check if drivers are built in too
07:24<basicgeek>I'm sorry, I'm a real newbie when it comes to this kind of stuff
07:24<basicgeek>I have the following line : CONFIG_FB_VESA=y
07:25<jm_>grep FB /boot/config-$(uname -r)
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07:26<basicgeek>there are a lot of lines
07:26<jm_>yeah look for stiuff like nvidia/intel/vesa
07:28<basicgeek>I'll hook up my eeepc (the debian machine) to my network so that I can paste code
07:28<basicgeek>it'll be easier
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07:29<jm_>ok I see, vesa is built-in
07:29<qman4life>does anyone know any desktop gadgets available for linux?
07:29<jm_>most of the rest is a module
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07:34<basicgeek>jm_: I pasted the lines at http://pastebin.org/17165
07:34<jm_>basicgeek: like I said, vesa is built-in, the rest are modules
07:34<basicgeek>ok
07:35<basicgeek>now what ?
07:35<jm_>so for vesa you pass kernel parameters, for the rest you want to load the module first
07:35<jm_>but why not use X instead?
07:35<basicgeek>I'm doing a project for my university
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07:36<basicgeek>basically, I'm re-creating http://www.complexification.net/gallery/machines/substrate/index.php
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07:36<basicgeek>the thing is I'd like it to run on my eeepc with a 22" monitor attached to it
07:36<jm_>ok but why do you need to use FB for this?
07:37<basicgeek>after some discussion with the prof, he told me I should run it in the framebuffer, to avoid the resources taken by X
07:37<jm_>ok
07:37<basicgeek>the code is very simple, the only thing I have to do is paste a buffer to the screen every x ms
07:38<basicgeek>I'm not exaclty linux litterate, and my prof told me to use QT
07:38<basicgeek>(to use the framebuffer)
07:38<basicgeek>but I'm thinking of ditching Qt for something more minimalistic
07:39<jm_>if this doesn't need fast graphics then vesa will do, otherwise you'll want accelerated driver --> module
07:39<jm_>maybe sdl then
07:40<basicgeek>I guess vesa will do
07:40<jm_>for a quick test simply follow Documentation/fb/vesa.txt
07:40<basicgeek>but still, with no framebuffer in /dev, I won't go far :)
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07:47<jm_>i.e. vga=0x305 for 1024x768 mode
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07:52<basicgeek>jm_: the doc tells me to use vga=ask for a quick test
07:52<basicgeek>but I can't find where to put it
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07:53<locsmif>basicgeek, in your lilo or grub line
07:53<jm_>basicgeek: it won't list graphical modes - it's a kernel parameter, are you using grub?
07:53<basicgeek>since it's supposed to take place before uncompressing the kernel, I added it to menu.lst file
07:53<basicgeek>yes, grub
07:53<basicgeek>why won't it ?
07:53<jm_>so grub, press e to edit kernel entry as grub tells you at the bottom, then add vga=whatever to the kernel line
07:53<jm_>because that's how it was deisgned, there's a note about this in the doc
07:54<basicgeek>ok
07:54<basicgeek>I guess I misunderstood the doc then
07:54<jm_>you just didn't pay attention ;)
07:55<locsmif>or..you can put into menu.lst right?
07:55<jm_>just pass one of the numbers mentioned in svga.txt - the one that works with your hardware and add 200 to it
07:55<jm_>yeah he can put it in menu.lst once he knows it works etc.
07:58<basicgeek>yay
07:58<basicgeek> /dev/fb0 showed up
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08:05<basicgeek>jm_: a very quick question : for my project, should I use the ezfb lib that I found, which seems to be a really simple lib, or the sdl, which is probably way more stable and advanced ? I don't know either of them.
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08:07<jm_>basicgeek: me neither, I only used sdl once shortly for av type game
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08:07<petemc>whats an av type game?
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08:10<basicgeek>jm_: another question
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08:10<basicgeek>on the eeepc, the screen is only 640x480
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08:10<basicgeek>but I'd like to hook it up to a 22" screen, which displays 1680x1050
08:11<jm_>petemc: http://www.glennsguides.com/2008/07/arcade-volleyball-pc-game-free-download.html
08:11<petemc>ah, right
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08:11<basicgeek>should I tell the kernel to boot with a 1680x1050 resolution ? Won't it try to use my little screen first and destroy it ?
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08:11<petemc>jm_: thats not the game you wrote tho?
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08:12<jm_>petemc: nope, mine was supposed to be for Linux using SDL, but it looked very similar
08:12<jm_>basicgeek: that's where using X would pay dividend
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08:17<nilton>assumido
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08:20<blunted>how come when i hook my phone to my computer with usb cable it dont show up
08:21<basicgeek>jm_: once I'm logged into linux, do I have any possibility to change the framebuffer resolution ?
08:21<jm_>basicgeek: check fbset
08:21<blunted>before i updated it would show up as /media/sda
08:22<basicgeek>jm_: ok
08:22<basicgeek>thanks again for all
08:22<jm_>np
08:22<blunted>or something like that
08:23<blunted>nobody knows?
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08:24<petemc>blunted: do you see anything about usb storage in dmesg?
08:24<basicgeek>blunted: is you device mounted ?
08:25<blunted>yeah
08:25<blunted>its in dmesg
08:25<petemc>have you tried mounting it manually?
08:26<blunted>not sure what to mount
08:26<petemc>it doesnt mention sd<something> ?
08:26<blunted>its supposed to be like /dev/sda right?
08:26<blunted>that doesn't exist
08:26<adb> /msg dpkg usb mount
08:27<jm_>ls /sys/block and poke arround there to find it, also look in /dev/disk
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08:28<blunted>is there some reason that it doesn't do it all automagically like before?
08:30<blunted>jm_, looked both places you said neither have it
08:30<blunted>also i installed usbmount
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08:31<blunted>i have /media/usb thru /media/usb7
08:31<blunted>but none of them are the phone/sd card
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08:35<jm_>blunted: then there's something missing/going wrong
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08:35<blunted>yeah
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08:36<blunted>it works when i use a livecd
08:36<jm_>compare dmesg output for both when you plugin your phone
08:37<blunted>[ 3760.714125] usb-storage: probe of 1-2:1.0 failed with error -5
08:37<blunted>i just unplugged and replugged and it said that on the last line
08:37<jm_>there you go, now you'll probably need to enable USB debugging and contact USB kernel folks or somesuch
08:38<jm_>or bisect
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08:38<jm_>(unless live cd has newer kernel)
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08:43<blunted>well poo
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08:44<Bleupomme>hello, I have a problem with lilo and a degraded RAID. During postinst of the kernel update-initramfs tries to reinstall lilo but fails because of a missing hard drive. I need to pass the -H option to lilo but don't know how. Could anyone help me?
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08:47<jm_>Bleupomme: you can disable boot loader update and do it manually I suppose
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08:54<Bleupomme>jm_: thank you I will try this
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08:54<jm_>Bleupomme: check kernel-img.conf IIRC
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08:55<jm_>yup, do_bootloader
08:55<blunted>jm_, how long you been using debian
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08:56<ndmamma>hi everyone. i just installed debian on my desktop computer. been awhile since i ran linux. fresh install and now the xserver will not start. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will not go past the keyboard settings. xorg.conf is empty
08:56<blunted>well that puts my problem in perspective
08:57<jm_>blunted: I don't remember, I started with 1.3, but tried it even before that (whatever was on Infomagic march 1994 CD-s, but my hardware didn't like ELF distributions back then)
08:58<jm_>I had slackware for that reason before Debian, probably 1997-98 for Debian I think
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08:58<jm_>!release dates
08:58<dpkg>release dates is, like, Debian Release Dates: 0.93R6 1995-10-26, 1.1 "buzz" 1996-06-17, 1.2 "rex" 1996-12-12, 1.3 "bo" 1997-06-05, 2.0 "hamm" 1998-07-24, 2.1 "slink" 1999-03-09, 2.2 "potato" 2000-08-15, 3.0 "woody" 2002-07-19, 3.1 "sarge" 2005-06-06, 4.0 "etch" 2007-04-08.
08:58<jm_>yeah must be 1997 then, since my CD-s are 1.3.1
08:59<blunted>first i had was woody
08:59<ndmamma>how do i reconfigure my video settings if xorg.conf is empty and none of the reconfiguring commands are really working
08:59<jm_>ndmamma: it's normal it's empty - did you check x logfile?
08:59<cahoot> tried X -configure?
08:59<ndmamma>ok it created /root/xorg.conf.new
09:00<ndmamma>but when i test it, its a black screen
09:00<blunted>try press ctrl alt and +
09:00<blunted>or ctrl alt -
09:01<ndmamma>jm how do i do that
09:01<cahoot>ndmamma: no proprietary drivers involved?
09:01<blunted>do you nvidia or whatever its called ndmamma
09:01<jm_>ndmamma: it's a text file, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
09:01<ndmamma>no. its onboard intel graphics card
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09:04<ndmamma>ok WW area says some fonts don't exist
09:05<jm_>ignore those
09:06<ndmamma>ok
09:07<ndmamma>the xorg.conf.new is showing my graphics card
09:07<ndmamma>and my monitor
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09:08<ndmamma>so why isn't xserver starting?
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09:08<ndmamma>the log file shows it uses xorg.conf.new
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09:08<jm_>it is starting if it creates the log
09:08<blunted>maybe you have the wrong resolutions
09:08<blunted>or h/v sync rates
09:09<ndmamma>that's what im thinking blunted, but not sure how to change the resolutions. i know when i installed it via graphical install, it gave me an error that it was unknown resolution so i went with 800x600x8
09:09<ndmamma>vesa
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09:10<jm_>it would normaly ask your monitor about the modes it can do, but you can override it in xorg.conf
09:11<blunted>try 640x480x16
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09:11<blunted>er 8 not 16
09:11<ndmamma>under monitor in xorg.conf.new it shows section "monitor" #DisplaySize 300 230 # mm Identifier "Monitor0" Vendor Name "Del" ModelName "Dell E771mm"
09:12<ndmamma>HorizSync 30.0-70.0 VertRefresh 50.0-160.0 Option "DPMS"
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09:13<jm_>the log will show you which mode it's using
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09:16<mbruins>hi, i installed gnome-core and i really like it but i miss a image viewer. could someone sugest one?
09:16<ndmamma>log doesn't show mode. it just tells me its a vesa driver and that it was loaded and read successfully
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09:19*arw hello folks
09:19<ndmamma>when i test it, it goes black, then comes back with Ring end space:24 wanted 32 Fatal server error: lockup
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09:19<jm_>vesa? it should use intel driver
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09:20<ndmamma>let me look
09:20<jm_>mbruins: why not search debian packages for one?
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09:21<ndmamma>located and identified the right video chipset
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09:22<mbruins>jm_: actually im looking for the image viewer thats normally installed with gnome
09:22<blunted>eye of gnome?
09:22<mbruins>not sure
09:22<mbruins>ill aptitude it XD
09:22<jm_>mbruins: so search for gnome image viewer, doesn't change anything
09:22<blunted>i just use web browser for image viewing
09:22<blunted>loads faster
09:22<ndmamma>ok there's a bunch of modelines
09:22<ndmamma>output VGA using initial mode 1024x768
09:23<blunted>i think the eye of gnome package name is eog
09:23<mbruins>blunted: yes but if you have like 100 photos its irritating to open them one-for-one in browser
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09:26<ndmamma>so i am lost. it recognizes and loads the intel graphics driver
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09:27<ndmamma>blunted how do i change the resolution
09:27<blunted>if x is running you can ctrl + alt + +
09:27<blunted>or minus depending if you want bigger or smaller
09:28<ndmamma>x isn't running. i can't get x to run
09:28<blunted>then in the xorg.conf there should be some kinda list with the resolutions on it
09:29<blunted>change it to whatever you know your monitor can do
09:29<ndmamma>xorg.conf is empty. xorg.conf.new doesn't have a list with resolutions
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09:32<ndmamma>when i try to run x, it gives me waiting for x server to begin accepting connections giving up. xinit: connection reset by peer (errno 104): unable to connect to X server xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error
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09:38<ndmamma>i'm going to try the rescue mode on my disk
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09:41<ndmamma>nope that don't work. guess i reinstall the whole damn thing
09:42<blunted>are you installing squeeze?
09:43<blunted>the new one
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09:43<ndmamma>if its the most recent stable release, yes
09:44<ndmamma>instead of looking at modes i just hit space bar
09:45<ndmamma>see if that works or not
09:46<ndmamma>could be the installer just didn't recognize it
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09:50<ndmamma>only problem is it takes forever to completely install since i did the netinstall
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09:55<ndmamma>ok i'll be back if i have any problems after the download and install of basic files
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10:18<sylar>is there an option in the installer to make and install on a raid6 mdadm lvm?
10:20<petemc>cant you just do the install then set up the raid?
10:20<petemc>you're not going to be able to use raid 6 on the boot device anyway
10:21<petemc>afaik
10:21<sylar>petemc, my plan is to have /boot on raid1
10:22<sylar>petemc, the rest will go on raid6 with one partition for everything, and another partition for /home
10:22<sylar>maybe /tmp should also be out of the raid6, no need to guard that data
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10:23<sylar>and on the other hand, I don't want to reserve space for /tmp
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10:25<sylar>does the installer even have mdadm options?
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10:26<sylar>if I setup the partitions using a livecd, would the installer be able to use mdadm?
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10:27<Gold24>sylar: it used to be possible to setup everything relating to software raid in the installer but last time i did it it was in etch i think
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10:39<mykhi>hi guys, im having problem installing fglrx on kernel 2.6.30. it returns: "fglrx: Unknown symbol find_task_by_vpid" and i tried to look what this find task by vpid is, but no luck :(
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10:40<locsmif>mykhi, fglrx has basically been banished by the Linux Kernel Team
10:40<mykhi>ow
10:40<locsmif>With their EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL DRM scheme
10:41<mykhi>so i shouldnt use fglrx anymore?
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10:41<locsmif>mykhi, well you could try, but it's difficult
10:41<locsmif>mykhi, try: #smxi
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10:41<mykhi>no, i just want my graphic card working on some decent level
10:41<locsmif>mykhi, no, that channel is owned by a script developer for Debian etc.
10:42<locsmif>That scripts helps to install binary stuff such as flgrx..I know the guy, he's real real good
10:42<locsmif>He won a prize.
10:42<locsmif>lol
10:42<mykhi>i dont really get what you're saying to me tbh ;/
10:45<locsmif>mykhi, sgfxi is one avenue, there are others, but this is the best I can do atm
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10:51<avtobiff>i just upgraded my system and for some reason wmii does not come up when i login as my normal user (which i can successfully can). so i moved everything from my HOME, same result. i tried creating a new user, that user can log in and nring up wmii. i have checked logs for xorg, auth, no HOME/.xsession-errors gets created
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10:52<avtobiff>i am using slim as display manager
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11:08<Bleupomme>during the setup of initramfs-tools update-initramfs tries to run lilo. How can I block or change this operation?
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11:09<EmleyMoor>If a laptop has a fingerprint reader, is it generally a pre-boot thing or something the OS would need to support?
11:09<Vroomfon1le>it needs software support
11:10<Vroomfon1le>at least, that's been the case with all the readers I've seen
11:10<EmleyMoor>Are such things in Debian? (I am considering the option)
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11:12<Vroomfon1le>http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_enable_the_fingerprint_reader <-- looks a bit out of date but might give you an idea
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11:13<kop>EmleyMoor: There are such things in linux. IIRC blackdog (??) has a linux in a usbstick form factor with a built-in fingerprint reader. That was maybe 2 years ago.
11:14<handjob>Good afternoon gentlemen. How would syntax look like for finding and deleting file xx.png in let's say ~/ dir?
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11:14<EmleyMoor>kop: Thanks - it's just an idea at present
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11:16<EmleyMoor>If I did go for the Vostro, replacement of the CMOS battery is a lot easier than on the Inspiron
11:16<avtobiff>handjob, find TILDE/ -type f -iname xx.png -exec rm LEFTCURLYBRACKETRIGHTCURLYBRACKET ;
11:17<avtobiff>handjob, where TILDE etc are the actual characters
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11:17<avtobiff>if my window manager does not start for a particular user, where do i look for errors (except display manager log, xorg log, .xsession-errors, where i looked and they don't say anything)
11:18<witte>handjob: what about "rm ~/*xx.jpg"?
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11:18<handjob>avtobiff, Thank you. And are there any other options involving pipe and grep perhaps?
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11:19<avtobiff>handjob, what do you actually want?
11:19<handjob>witte, Will it do the removing recursively?
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11:19<handjob>avtobiff, love.
11:19<witte>handjob: no, but you did not ask
11:19<avtobiff>handjob, what is it that you are asking specifically in this case just above?
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11:20<handjob>avtobiff, To be honest I bet Your syntax will do the trick however i wanted something that will use 'find' 'grep' and will pass the grep result to rm.
11:20<avtobiff>why?
11:21<avtobiff>handjob, why?
11:21<witte>handjob: homework?
11:21<avtobiff>i generally don't help people with their home work
11:21<handjob>avtobiff, Because i don't knew how to do it and i want to lern.
11:21<locsmif>handjob, why use grep?
11:21<handjob>avtobiff, I am bit too old for homework if you have to knew.
11:21<locsmif>just pass directly to rm with xargs
11:21<locsmif>or put rm being -exec
11:22<locsmif>but all this is not necessary: find has -delete
11:22<handjob>locklace, Well i can use that too. Thank you however i would like to see the syntax with grep pipe rm.
11:23<locsmif>so if you intentionally want to make it hard on yourself, go right ahead, but maybe you want to visit an irc channel specializing in that. (Try #slackware)
11:24<handjob>locsmif, It almost sounded like offensive joke towards slack community. Good one btw.
11:24<handjob>Ok one more thing how can i pass output of 'whatever' pipe 'whatever'?
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11:25<handjob>*Ok one more thing how can i pass output of 'whatever' pipe to 'whatever'?
11:26<locsmif>handjob, the pipe communicates via STDIN and STDOUT
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11:26<avtobiff>handjob, i recommend the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide if you want to learn these things
11:26<locsmif>command | command2 works if command writes to STDIN and command2 reads from STDIN
11:26<locsmif>and of course, command2 needs to understand the input..
11:26<handjob>Thank you all. You ware very helpful.
11:27<avtobiff>locsmif, you mean if command1 writes to stdout
11:27<locsmif>(usually, stuff is seperated by newlines)
11:27<locsmif>avtobiff, yes, sorry
11:27<avtobiff>:-)
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11:27<stevie>the packages in the squeeze repositories are the same as in testing/sid, right?
11:28<locsmif>handjob, and: linuxcommand.org is a good tutorial
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11:28<handjob>locsmif, I will check it out. Thank you.
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11:28<witte>stevie: squeeze is testing, sid is unstable
11:28<witte>!testing
11:28<dpkg>[testing] a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
11:29<witte>!unstable
11:29<dpkg>[unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>.
11:30<avtobiff>wtf... when i login with tmpuser slim creates a new .Xauthority, not so with regular user. why?
11:30<locsmif>handjob, specifically: http://linuxcommand.org/lts0060.php
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11:32<stevie>That's weird then... The website at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html uses the terms sid/testing interchangeably. Is KDE4.2 included within testing/squeeze or sid?
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11:33<ben|work>hello, I'm trying to install debian (debian-503-amd64-businesscard.iso) but having problems booting. It booted yesterday and not sure what changed but now it's not. Wondering if there's a way to slow the scroll down to see the messages that scroll past? Thanks.
11:33<witte>stevie: I guess it just means that it is included in both testing and sid
11:33<themill>stevie: if all is well, testing and unstable have the same versions of packages. They only have different versions when packages were very recently uploaded or if there are horrible bugs in the uploaded packages.
11:36<avtobiff>so... no x/dm/wm knowledge in here atm? :-)
11:37*cyres is away: Ich bin beschäftigt
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11:38<stevie>ah ok, thanks to you both
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11:41<themill>cyres: please turn that off in here.
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11:52<chenming>大家好
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11:54<chenming>Hello
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12:00<lfaraone>How can I place CPU limits on a class of users?
12:00<lfaraone>(I'm running an LTSP lab and don't want one user to monopolize the server.
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12:04<ScottSteiner>is it unsafe to use aptitude on multiple screens? IE I am currently waiting for KDE to finish installing but it will take another 30 minutes just to download, and I need to install something else as well
12:04<azeem>ScottSteiner: you cannot use multiple aptitudes
12:04<Gathond>ScottSteiner: I'm pretty sure it ensures only one copy runs
12:04<bja>ScottSteiner: there is only one db so it gets locked
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12:07<ScottSteiner>thanks
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12:10<SQlvpapir_>ScottSteiner, you can briefly stop aptitude, install your local packages, and then start aptitude again. it will resume downloading where it stopped
12:10<cheal>lfaraone: did you check cpulimit?
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12:18<witte>ScottSteiner: you can interrupt the download at any moment without problems, but you shouldn't interrupt the actual installing process as this might lead to difficulties
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12:19<lfaraone>cheal: no, looking into it.
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12:30<Kuprin>Meow. I'm trying to configure a 9-button (counting the wheel directions) mouse in xorg, and it's turning into a huge nightmare as the mappings seem to be randomly inconsistent.
12:31<dr|z3d>LOL
12:32<dr|z3d>Kuprin: What's wrong with 3 buttons? :)
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12:32<fgh>uhm, what are the options when installing gnome? i dont want all, nor just the core set of packages...
12:32<Kuprin>dr|z3d, the fact that that is a number fewer than what exists on my mouse, and I would like to have the same functionality I had in gentoo and windows
12:33<Kuprin>Also, is there a way to probe the mouse config from xorg without restarting X?
12:33<fgh>just ran aptitutude install gnome and it looks like ill get a lot more than i realy need?
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12:36<adb> install than only gnome-core
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12:37<fgh>'nor just the core set of packages...'
12:38<fgh>gnome-desktop-environment might be what im looking for
12:39<fgh>in my world, gnome-core/-base/-all would be a better way to put it
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12:42<adb>gnome-desktop-environment is a meta package for gnome and will install quasi all gnome
12:43<adb>take a look at > apt-cache show gnome-desktop-environment
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12:44<fgh>yes and 'gnome' is a metapackage and will install even more than gnome-desktop-environment. or am i wrong?
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12:46<fgh>info gnome
12:46<fgh>dpkg: info gnome
12:46<dpkg>gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.26+0 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 24 kB
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12:46<fgh>dpkg: info gnome-desktop-environment
12:46<dpkg>gnome-desktop-environment: (The GNOME Desktop Environment), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.26+0 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 20 kB
12:47<fgh>:)
12:47<fgh>dpkg > google
12:47<dpkg>[google] a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. Its website can be found at http://www.google.com/ Ask me about <gmail>, <googleearth>.
12:47<fgh>oops..
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12:47<ml|>dpkg: imstall gnome
12:47<dpkg>ml|: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
12:47<war_>hlo
12:48<ml|>hah
12:48<war_>any 1 here
12:48<ml|>dpkg: install gnome
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12:48<dpkg>To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome
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12:54<fgh>ml|: then, maybe you know if the debian install installs 'gnome-desktop-environment' for the 'gnome' package if i choose desktop environment?
12:56<fgh>*or
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13:00<ml|>fgh: just do a base/minimal install then install what you want afterwords, instead of using tasksel
13:00<ml|>oh
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13:08<ml|>13:00:28 < ml|> fgh: just do a base/minimal install then install what you want afterwords, instead of using tasksel
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13:12<xeon-enouf>fgh: gnome would be installed using Desktop choice in tasksel, unless you override that with an installer command line option
13:12<xeon-enouf>fgh: or .. you have the KDE or XFCE/lxde CD1
13:13<xeon-enouf>fgh: tasksel --task-packages desktop
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13:16<Kuprin>How well does LXDE work from source in place of the debs? They look fairly integrated, but the problem is, on amd64 the version is very outdated and not terribly stable on lenny
13:17<dr|z3d>Kuprin: Xfce might be a better choice.
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13:17<Kuprin>I was more interested in getting things working rather than starting an argument over desktops :P
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13:17<xeon-enouf>fgh: and standard, i suppose - seems it's not as clear cut as i thought ... haha @ $ for i in $(tasksel --task-packages desktop) ; do apt-cache depends $i | grep gnome ; done
13:17<Kuprin>I personally have really liked lxde so far.
13:18<xeon-enouf>takes forever, and still doesn
13:18<xeon-enouf>t yield proper info
13:18<xeon-enouf>Kuprin: if you prefere source, compile away ;-)
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13:20<Kuprin>xeon-enouf, I'd prefer a working deb but I don't have one without switching a huge chunk of (or probably all of for "safety") over to sid
13:20<Kuprin>like I said, the one in lenny doesn't work well in amd64
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13:22<bja>Kuprin: you can make a vm and ./configure && make && make install
13:22<bja>Sorry i don't use lxde
13:23<Kuprin>Yeah, I know how to build it from source, I'm just curious if anyone knows how much of the lxde integration it'll break in debian, or if everything's miraculously standard
13:23<bja>Kuprin: although if you check dependencies of the sid package, you can allways install it on amd64 if they are met
13:23<Kuprin>Checked, they're messy.
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13:23<Kuprin>I can't install it without a bunch of other updates that I know won't be all that stable
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13:23<Kuprin>I'm going to see how xfce4 handles in debian
13:23<Kuprin>if it's pretty fast I'll just use it
13:24<bja>good luck
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13:25<stuckey>Does linux have real time process scheduling?
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13:26<bja>stuckey: afaik no
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13:27<dr|z3d>stuckey: There's realtime kernels.. you might want to look at those.
13:27<dr|z3d>stuckey: if you want to get more esoteric, have a look at the Brainfuck Scheduler.
13:28<dr|z3d>And, yes, i _is_ called that.
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13:28<stuckey>I suppose I could just use "renice" if I needed to schedule something.
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13:29<bja>stuckey: put a higher renice than expected and you will probably brake things apart
13:29<erKURITA>you mean "nice"
13:30<erKURITA>and you mean "lower nice level"
13:30<dr|z3d>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_Fuck_Scheduler
13:30<bja>erKURITA: ok so you are right, i was thinking on priorities
13:31<xeon-enouf>Kuprin: i think there's a wiki.debian.org entry for lxde, not sure
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13:31<dr|z3d>stuckey: Also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%281%29_scheduler
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13:34<sebastian_>hey ...Hi to everybody
13:34<sebastian_>:)
13:34<sebastian_>_
13:35<sebastian_>if i compile my own kernel ....how do I install the heraders
13:35<sebastian_>I am in DEBIAN
13:35<sebastian_>5.x
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13:36<Pitxyoki>er..
13:36<cahoot>unless you remove the src they're already there
13:36<cahoot>sebastian_: ^
13:36<Pitxyoki>The "headers" will be the source code from which you compile the kernel.
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13:36<sebastian_>ok I get it
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13:36<sebastian_>so, if compile my own kernel and I leave the src
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13:37<sebastian_>I will have the headers too
13:37<sebastian_>?
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13:37<sebastian_>I need them for vmware
13:37<Pitxyoki>Yep.
13:37<sebastian_>and to compile a driver
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13:41<ml|>sebastian_: compile the headers at same time as the kenel and install both
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13:42<ml|>sebastian_: what mean make a .deb for headers also at the same time you are making a .deb for the kernel
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14:20<xeon-enouf>sebastian_: make-kpkg allows many options for ,headers, modules, kernel-image, etc
14:20<xeon-enouf>sebastian_: yes, the compile or source from kernel.org or debian sources generates 'headers' for that compile
14:20<xeon-enouf>the compile *of*
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14:22<jpablo>Hi there.. Anybody can tell me how Can I play RV40 videos with a free software?
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14:23<sebastian_>xeon-enouf, thanks
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14:27<ml|>sebastian_: read this part http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-kernel-org-package and the rest won't hurt either
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14:31<sebastian_>ml|, thanks :)
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14:31<ml|>np
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14:33<xeon-enouf>jpablo: i think not - ask #mplayer and #vlc on freenode
14:33<jpablo>ok thanks
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14:34<xeon-enouf>jpablo: IINM, rv40 is the only one not supported ... yet
14:34<ml|>sebastian_: also /msg dpkg make-kpkg
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14:45<jocyvan>hi guys
14:45<johnfg>hi guys
14:45<jocyvan>lol
14:45<jocyvan>quit
14:45<johnfg>I'm used to running a gui for firewall. How do I do the firewall/iptables in debian lenny?
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14:47<johnfg>More important question, how do I choose the flashplayer I want? (not the best now).
14:48<ml|>johnfg: update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so
14:48<johnfg>ml|: Thanks! I've got to make a note so I don't have to bother ya agin.
14:49<ml|>heh, np
14:49<jofabi>ich möchte gerne webmin via root console installieren, habe aber packetabhängigkeits probleme
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14:50<deadcat>whats the best way to display the body of an email on a page without all the header tags?
14:50<ml|>!de
14:50<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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14:51<johnfg>ml|: Have you ever used the firestarter program? If so, what do you think of it?
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14:52<ml|>johnfg: nope i have not used firestarter /msg dpkg firestarter for more info
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14:54<blue32>hello,anyone know how to get ctrl alt backspace to work?
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14:56<petemc>blue32: Option "DontZap" "false" in ServerOptions in xorg.conf
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14:56<blue32>i reconfigured console setup to accept it but it still doesnt work
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14:56<blue32>petemc: k ty ill try that
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14:58<ben|work>hello, I'm trying to install debian (debian-503-amd64-businesscard.iso) but having problems booting. It booted yesterday and not sure what changed but now it's not. Wondering if there's a way to slow the scroll down to see the messages that scroll past? Thanks.
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15:00<blue32>petemc: k i dont have that section can i just make it?
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15:01<adama>ben|work: you can press Ctrl-s to freeze the bootup, then Ctrl-q to resume
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15:02<johnfg>What's a real quick and simple way to open up port 88?
15:02<blue32>petemc: Section "ServerOptions" Option "DontZap" "False" EndSection ?
15:02<adama>johnfg: netcat
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15:07<ben|work>adama: excellent, thank you. hopefully I can be quick enough to freeze it in time...
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15:08<ben|work>I remember an old Red Hat system I was on had the option to step through the boot sequence one step at a time. Is that a boot option?
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15:10<ben|work>adama: unfortunately CTRL+s was not pausing my boot
15:10<RedMaw>hey, what is the best way to establish a "remote desktop" like connection from XP to lenny?
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15:12<witte>RedMaw: ssh+xserver on windows
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15:13<witte>RedMaw: you can run gnome-desktop if you want, or just the programs that you need
15:13<adama>ben|work: hmm, I don't know then
15:13<witte>RedMaw: vnc should also work, but I've never used that
15:13<RedMaw>was trying vnc earlier but it wasn't working
15:14<adama>RedMaw: vnc is easiest. install x11vnc package, then run that on lenny, and a vnc client on XP
15:14<RedMaw>I was using tightvnc, will that work with x11vnc or should I get another client?
15:14<ben|work1>I may have to get a digital camera and start taking pictures
15:15<dr|z3d>x11vnc or tightvnc will both work.
15:15<RedMaw>well tightvnc wasn't working for me
15:15<dr|z3d>If you want to login to an existing X session, use x11vnc. If you want a discrete vnc desktop, use tightvncserver
15:15<dr|z3d>If it wasn't working for you, you probably did it wrong.
15:15<RedMaw>x11vnc is for me then
15:15<RedMaw>could be
15:16<dr|z3d>Were you trying to attach to lanip:1 ?
15:16<dr|z3d>Note the :1
15:16<RedMaw>no
15:16<dr|z3d>When you create a vncsesession, it'll tell you the virtual desktop id.. you need to supply that.
15:16<RedMaw>I was going from xp to lenny
15:16<dr|z3d>And as tightvnc creates a new desktop, it won't work without that :1
15:17<witte>RedMaw: just to be sure, you need to install
15:17<witte>RedMaw: (sorry, entered to fast) the server package of tightvnc, not the client
15:17<RedMaw>yes I did
15:18<dr|z3d>x11vnc on the other hands, works with existing sessions, so :0 being default normally means it doesn' need that syntax.
15:18<dr|z3d>try tightvncserver
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15:18<dr|z3d>then note the display :x
15:18<dr|z3d>then vnc into the ip:x
15:18<RedMaw>going to go with x11vnc since I want to connect to existing sessions
15:18<dr|z3d>Sure.
15:19<dr|z3d>Worth checking tight works regardless, just so you know for future reference.
15:19<RedMaw>tbh I figured I was doing something wrong
15:19<RedMaw>which is why I'm here lol
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15:23<xeon-enouf>deadcat: that's controllable through you MUA's settings/preferences
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15:24<deadcat>xeon-enouf: this is going straight to the inbox. i am not using any MUA at all. just a php script to parse the content.
15:24<xeon-enouf>deadcat: so tell you php script to display what you want only'
15:24<xeon-enouf>your*
15:25<xeon-enouf>even use head/tail or grep with -A or -B
15:26<deadcat>xeon-enouf: ah. thanks
15:27<themill>deadcat: remove everything up to the first pair of newlines with no content between them.
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15:28<deadcat>themill: yeep. thanks. \n\n (=
15:29<themill>deadcat: take care that it's not \r\n\r\n
15:29<deadcat>ah.
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15:30<themill>deadcat: I'd be surprised if there wasn't a PEAR module already in existence for parsing emails and pretty printing them
15:32<deadcat>themill: i should just find that instead. thanks for the advice. no point of reinventing the wheel.
15:32<themill>yeah, pear isn't as comprehensive as cpan (and there's a lot of poor quality junk there), but it's worth looking
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15:38<TaoJoannes>installed nvidia geforce fx550 in lenny, panic on boot
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15:40<locklace>wrote memo on side of three-week-old cheese, spiders are coming
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15:42<themill>.o0(... is full moon approaching? ...)
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15:42<rudepeople>TaoJoannes: What is the panic statement?
15:43<adb>themill, was 4-5 days ago ..
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15:44<TaoJoannes>rude: hold up, the old syslog isn't available in rescue mode
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15:46<TaoJoannes>mttr_add_page+0x2b1/0x331 forever
15:46<TaoJoannes>this time
15:46<hachri>#wikipedia-de-owl
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15:47<krio>questo canale e' in italiano?
15:48<adb>!it
15:48<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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15:50<krio>hi..
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15:52<RedMaw>it works (vnc connection) thanks for the help
15:53<krio>i can't access on a shared folder from a xp to a lenny, because recive a notify of autantication
15:53<krio>it's a problem of samba?
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15:54<krio>or a win problem?
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15:56<johnfg>hey guys
15:56<johnfg>just installed and configured arno-iptables-firewall. Started fine manually, but how do I set it to come up at boot?
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15:58<TaoJoannes>okay, reset bios defaults and got the panic message
15:59<ml|>johnfg: is it's listed in /etc/rc2.d/ should start up at boot
15:59<ml|>s/is/if
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16:00<TaoJoannes>[<c0122517>] panic+0x4d/0xe9 and about 16 lines then [<c010253c>] cpu_idle+0x19/0xcb
16:00<mykhi>have anyone ever tried to create over 2TB raid0 ?
16:00<johnfg>ml|: It's not, so how do I get it there?
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16:02<johnfg>It is in init.d, i.e., the script: arno-iptables-firewall.
16:03<ml|>johnfg: it's not a deamon?
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16:08<krio>!ubuntu
16:08<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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16:10<adama>johnfg: use the command update-rc.d
16:10<hossam>hello! is there a screensaver mode that will dim the screen (set opacity) to a certain level?
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16:10<nlewycky>excuse me, but what happened to ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html ?
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16:13<paveq_>from where I can get etch (etch'n'half) iso-image?
16:14<themill>!etch iso
16:14<dpkg>Links to Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 ("Etch") installation images are provided at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ Note that Etch has been superseded by Lenny, ask me about <install lenny>. See also <errata etch> and <install guide>.
16:14<paveq_>thanks
16:14<themill>paveq_: but now is the time to be upgrading to lenny, not making more etch installations
16:14<paveq_>I know :)
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16:18<TaoJoannes>so I've determined that lenny just don't like my nvidia geforce fx5500
16:19<TaoJoannes>I pulled the card and it boots fine into the old hardware
16:20<nlewycky>okay, let me try a different tack. why should i trust 4096R/55BE302B?
16:20<TaoJoannes>anybody know how to make them play nice?
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16:21<ml|>TaoJoannes: does the card work fine in another OS?
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16:25<sebastian_>i can not install gconfig in debian 5, apt-get install gconfig
16:25<sebastian_>why ....
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16:26<sebastian_>is my debian incomplete
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16:26<ml|>judd versions gconfig
16:26<judd>ml|: gconfig --
16:27<adb>gconf2
16:27<ml|>judd versions gconf2
16:27<judd>ml|: gconf2 -- etch: 2.16.1-1 lenny: 2.22.0-1 sid: 2.26.2-3 squeeze: 2.26.2-3
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16:28<sebastian_>it is gconf2 or gconfig
16:28<ml|>it should be installed if you are using gnome
16:28<sebastian_>aaaa OK
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16:36<TaoJoannes>ml, sorry had to deal with LL, his electrician turned my stove into an arc welder last night, put a 1/4 inch hole through my 1/8 inh stainless steel pan.
16:36<TaoJoannes>the card works through the install, don't have another box to check it with just yet
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16:39<reddos>scusa
16:39<ml|>TaoJoannes: np, i would test the card some how to rule the card out as the problem, if it's not then look for a possible cause why it's giving you problems in lenny
16:40<ml|>!it
16:40<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
16:40<TaoJoannes>gonna try a knoppix disc
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16:57<jr987>hi, anyone use gnupg? I am having timeout with subkeys.pgp.net.
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16:58<jr987>Apparently it does not failover. on e of the ips in the dns alias is down.
16:58<jr987>it is 64.71.173.107
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16:59<ml|>i had a similar problem the other day, it took me a few times to connect
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17:01<ml|>jr987: i had a similar problem the other day, it took me a few times to connect to subkeys.pgp.net
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17:06<sergiu>Hi
17:06<sergiu>anyone know what to do if some gtk themes dont look really right
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17:16<wamty>is snmp built with lenny?
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17:19<azeem>wamty: what do you mean?
17:19<azeem>wamty: also, don't cross-post questions, please
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17:20<mart>hey
17:21<mart>does anyone know if you can get the windows managers that is on linux mint on to debian
17:21<azeem>mart: we don't know what window managers are on linux mint
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17:23<witte>mart: mint is debian based, most likely all those (and probably more) windowmanagers are available on debian, you can install them using aptitude, apt-get or synaptic (graphical user interface)
17:24<mart>it is just the linux mint look and interface is cool
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17:24<mart>would like to have it on my debian
17:24<dr|z3d>mart: That's doable.
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17:24<mart>ok cool
17:24<dr|z3d>mart: You can add selective min reposiories and reap what you want, if you're careful.
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17:25<witte>mart: mint uses just gnome
17:25<mart>also i am just gonig to move to debian as my primary operating system.
17:26<witte>mart: that's certainly available on debian
17:26<dr|z3d>Mint is gnome (Ubuntu) with some custom skins and apps.
17:26<mart>was going to move to mint but then i thought debian had more of a user base
17:26<dr|z3d>It's polished, and that comes from the skin/theme integration.
17:26<mart>and probably more drivers
17:26<mart>would be good to do lenny or squeeze
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17:27<dr|z3d>Yup, it has more drivers for sure. More than Ubuntu, even.
17:27<witte>mart: drivers are the same, the userbase is bigger (I think) but especially more experienced
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17:27<dr|z3d>It comes with NDISWrapper ready to run, also.
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17:28<witte>mart: userbase bigger than mint for sure, bigger than ubuntu, I think
17:28<mart>so moving from windows xp to become better with linux
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17:30<mart>i just find with linux that you download the updates and after a while you need to reinstall linux to get rid of the old software
17:31<witte>mart: huh? that is just why you use linux, so that you don't have to do this
17:31<dr|z3d>mart: You don't.
17:31<dr|z3d>Selective removal of unused packages is usually sufficient.
17:31<witte>mart: use a package manager (as you are a beginner, synaptic would be a good start)
17:32<dr|z3d>and aptitude autoclean thereafer.
17:32<mart>i use synaptic manager to download the updates.
17:32<mart>i just thought it was not removing the old libraries
17:33<themill>if you're only downloading updates to stable, there aren't any old libraries to get rid of
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17:33<mart>ok
17:34<mart>i will load on debian lenny tomorrow then
17:34<mart>to load on my computer
17:34<mart>thanks#
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17:36<ml|>mart /msg dpkg install guide and reference
17:37<mart>ok cool
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17:45<bblah>any chance that the mysql gui tools will make it back into squeeze?
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17:46<themill>!why is mysql-query-browser not in testing
17:46<dpkg>mysql-query-browser is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=mysql-query-browser
17:46<themill>bblah: ^^
17:47<bblah>themill, thanks for the info
17:47<bja>bblah: a nice alternative is postgres + most
17:47<bblah>bja, i've used both but I like mysql more
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17:48<bja>bblah: a matter of taste and needs :-)
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17:48<bblah>bja, indeed
17:51<bblah>so, if I understand all of this correctly, mysql-gui-tools will someday be in squeeze, is that right?
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17:54<themill>bblah: yes, if you fix #527652 in particular. There are lots of other bugs and a newer version available too.
17:54<bblah>themill, thanks again
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18:18<fgh>gnome wont let me start synaptic. it says i have typed wrong password. do i need to add myselfe to a special group or whats wrong?
18:20<dr|zed>fgh: Does your user have root privs?
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18:21<fgh>when i sudo in terminal the password is accepted, yes
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18:22<petemc>fgh: is gnome asking for the root password rather than your password?
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18:23<fgh>asks for 'administrativ password'
18:23<fgh>(ive configured the system to not let root login - the ubuntuway)
18:24<petemc>did you try roots password?
18:25<ml|>you need to use root's password and there is a way to change that to use the user password
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18:25<fgh>root's password isnt set
18:26<petemc>how did you manage that?
18:26<themill>fgh: so how are you going to give the root password?
18:26<fgh>(at install ive configured the system to not let root login - the ubuntuway)
18:26<ml|>why, did do setup the system like ubuntu?
18:27<fgh>i wasnt asked to set a root pass
18:27<azeem>ml|: why not?
18:28<fgh>i like it that way and i guess the problem isnt systembased, its 'only' a gnome issue
18:28<ml|>azeem: i'm why, it's his system, can do what he likes of course
18:28<ml|>*asking
18:28<fgh>since i can start synaptic with 'sudo synaptic'
18:28<azeem>sure
18:28<azeem>try installing gksudo
18:28<azeem>and/or configuring gksu to use sudo
18:31<themill>fgh: there appears to be some gconf incantations you can utter to make su-to-root/gksu use gksudo instead. "man gksu" for details.
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18:37<ml|>fgh: not sure if this will help you, but when i used gnome long time ago i used this so gnome will ask for user password ... gconftool-2 -t bool -s /apps/gksu/sudo-mode 1 that was a while ago so it might not work, but it's worth a try
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18:38<ml|>but i never messed with the root account
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18:40<kop>Is there a way to count inodes used inside a directory structure, similar to what du does for blocks?
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18:41<dondelelcaro>kop: just count the number of files and directories; you'll be pretty close
18:41<petemc>kop: df -i ?
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18:42<petemc>ah, ignore me
18:42<kop>petemc: That's for whole filesystems. (Oh, ok. :-)
18:42<petemc>right
18:42<kop>dondelelcaro: Makes sense. How close?
18:42<dondelelcaro>kop: within the number of hardlinks you have in that set of directories
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18:42<dondelelcaro>(you should of course ignore . and ..)
18:43<kop>dondelelcaro: :-( Sometimes there gobs.
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18:43<dondelelcaro>kop: well, worst case it over-estimates.
18:43<dondelelcaro>kop: but normally you don't care unless you're close to the limit
18:43<kop>dondelelcaro: True. Maybe du wants a patch?
18:43<dondelelcaro>kop: it's actually rather difficult to count accurately
18:44<kop>dondelelcaro: I'm using hardlinked rsync backups, and can run out. So I make the fs with more, but still _could_ run out.
18:45<themill>kop: something sort of like: find -printf "%i" | sort -un | wc -l ... (untested...)
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18:45<kop>dondelelcaro: The question at hand is: How many inodes were used by the most recent backup copy? (To make sure there's enough for a new copy without deleting an old backup.)
18:45<abrotman>would 'stat' work? or is that Links number not what he's looking for?
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18:47<dondelelcaro>kop: well, the trivial way would be to store the output of df -i, since that's actually what you want to do
18:47<dondelelcaro>kop: and since you're presumably hardlinking between directories, it's kind of hard to count them, since each directory is using an inode, though when you combine them, they're using less
18:47<kop>dondelelcaro: But there's multiple backups on one fs. I just want enough space for a new backup.
18:48<kop>themill: That sounds very plausible...
18:48<themill>kop: (needs a \n in the format, but otherwise looks like it might work)
18:48<dondelelcaro>kop: sure, but if you do backup 1, store df -i output; do backup #2; store df -i; output; backup number 3, if the difference between #2 and #1 doubled is within the spare inodes, kill off an old backup
18:49<kop>dondelelcaro: I see. (But keeping state is icky.)
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18:51<dondelelcaro>right; themill's suggestion is probably better, though you'll actually have to do look at the complement of the intersection
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18:51<kop>themill: (And the "sort -n" gives it that extra florish for superior bling! ;-)
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18:52<themill>hehe that was sort of reflexive since I knew it was numbers. It's unneeded but might actually offer a performance improvement
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18:53<kop>dondelelcaro: I'm not quite so interested in exactly how many are used, as I am in how many could be used. So, I suppose I could really count files and directories, but I always like to figure out the "right way" before faking it. :)
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19:01<RainCT>Hi
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19:01<nono>hey
19:02<RainCT>Does Iceweasel show "Iceweasel" or "Mozilla Firefox" in the titlebar?
19:02<kop>RainCT: The former.
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19:03<RainCT>OK, then I can file a bug against the version in experimental :)
19:03<locsmif>It would be scary if it suddenly said "Internet Explorer", and then slowly your desktop starts to morph into Windows 7
19:04<nono>windows7!!!
19:04<nono>bad
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19:04<locsmif>I think I'd grab on to the nearest crucifix.
19:04<RainCT>locsmif: scary? I'd rather call that an incentive for suicide
19:04<RainCT>:D
19:04*themill encourages people towards #debian-offtopic
19:04<ml|>!ot
19:04<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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19:05<locsmif>rofl, sorry ops.
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19:05*RainCT wonders whether he should setup irssi to redirect him to #debian-offtopic when he tries to join #debian.. :/
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19:07<[CBJ]MrMagoo>anyone else has the feeling that whenever they are re-installing their testing server... you always start with.. "alright.. im going to do this right this time" ?
19:07<sney>Windows 7: Son of Windows
19:07<sney>nah, my debian installs stopped being a string of failures back in 2003 or so
19:08<petemc>[CBJ]MrMagoo: virtualization can speed up such a process
19:08<[CBJ]MrMagoo>petemc, true that, but i only reinstall this machine once in 2 years or so
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19:09<[CBJ]MrMagoo>petemc, so doesnt really matter to me :)
19:09<petemc>is there some point to your first statement im missing?
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19:10<[CBJ]MrMagoo>petemc, haha, nvm :P
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19:11<[CBJ]MrMagoo>petemc, working with a fresh install makes me feel good :)
19:12<petemc>right, and if that install is just a matter of copying an image into place taking less than 10 minutes, all the better
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19:13<gnude>hello, i need support with a network connection
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19:15<petemc>gnude: if you're using debian, this would be the place to get that support
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19:15<[CBJ]MrMagoo>gnude, tryto explain clearly what the problem is, what results you expected, and what your setup is...:)
19:16<gnude>yes i use debian. i want to connect 2 pc's with debian over samba. on the "server" i installes samba with aptitude install samba and then want to acess from another debian pc to a directorey. i can press the right mouse on the directorey and say "share" , but... the oter computer dont find it
19:17<bja>gnude: why use samba when its far simpler with nfs
19:17<petemc>thats not entirely true
19:17<bja>ok i give up
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19:17<gnude>well now i try it with samba
19:18<ml|>bja: nfs can be a pain
19:18<petemc>gnude: it doesnt work exactly the same way as in windows, you configure shares in /etc/samba/smb.conf
19:18<gnude>what must i change there???
19:18<petemc>gnude: look for Share Definitions
19:19<kop>gnude: There's probably a webmin interface for samba configuration as well. You can also get support on some samba channel somewhere. (Myself, I poke samba with a stick until it works. It's too Microsoft-like, bug-for-bug, for me.)
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19:19<petemc>it works well for me
19:21<gnude>would nfs be easier???
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19:22<RainCT>Ah, I've got a question. If I have several boxes + a WLAN router connected to a switch, and then some more connected to the router, is there some easy way how I can share directories so that they can be accessed from any of the boxes?
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19:23<bja>RainCT: if they are on the same subnetwork or if they have the proper gw then there is nothing to stop you from doing it
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19:25<bja>RainCT: if you can ping you can share
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19:26<RainCT>bja: I can't ping, they are two separate networks (192.168.2.x for ethernet and 192.168.10.x for WLAN, can change that if required though)
19:27<bja>RainCT: do you have a common gw?
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19:27<petemc>RainCT: what type of shares?
19:27<banished>Hi, what does it require to play a wmvvc1dmo encoded file?
19:29<RainCT>Don't really care, NFS, Samba or whatever as long as it doesn't requrie configuring all boxes if I add a new shared directory (ie sshfs wouldn't work)
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19:29<ml|>ftp would be another option
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19:29<petemc>RainCT: well, first step is get the 2 networks talking to each other
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19:30<ml|>vsftpd or proftpd
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19:32<RainCT>What I have currently is the laptops connect to the WLAN router (a Fonera, which uses a modified OpenWrt) and I think that forwards requests to 192.168.2.1 (which is a WiMAX routher to which I have no access) and to which it is connected using a switch where all other PCs are connected too
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19:32<louis-marie>hi
19:33<petemc>RainCT: can you control the fonera?
19:33<louis-marie>I want to switch from ubuntu to debian
19:33<gnude>hi louis
19:33<teamon>hi, i`m having problem compiling xbmc from source under debian 5.0.3 and got this error http://pastie.org/614216 libdvdnav-dev is installed
19:33<RainCT>petemc: Yes, I've got root access (there's a script for that out there)
19:33<gnude>i switched from ubuntu to debian too. and debian is fine!
19:33<abrotman>louis-marie: so what do you need from us ?
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19:33<louis-marie>What are the main differences beetween them
19:33<nono>be root
19:33<nono>:)
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19:34<ml|>louis-marie: /msg dpkg why debian
19:35<gnude>debian is better to administrte
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19:35<petemc>RainCT: i have no experience modifying hax0red routers to join existing networks, so i dont think i can help you
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19:35<teamon>anyony got an idea?
19:36<ml|>louis-marie: and before installing /msg dpkg install guide and reference
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19:36<nono>ctrl+alt+f1
19:36<louis-marie>ok thanks
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19:37<themill>!b-e teamon
19:37<dpkg>teamon: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
19:38<teamon>dpkg: looks like i got that already
19:38<dpkg>teamon: are you smoking crack?
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19:39<teamon>themill: ?
19:39<adb>!smoking crack
19:39<dpkg>why, did you want some?
19:39<teamon>dpkg: sometimes, but not this time
19:39<dpkg>teamon: I don't know, could you explain it?
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19:39<ml|>haha
19:40<themill>teamon: what does "gcc --version | head -1" say?
19:40<teamon>eee?
19:40<RainCT>IRC bots rock :)
19:40<teamon>gcc (Debian 4.3.4-2) 4.3.4
19:40<bja>!bot
19:40<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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19:41<themill>teamon: your gcc is very very confused then because it's looking for files from the 4.3.2 release that is in lenny.
19:42<teamon>i installed deb 5.0.3 and then added sid to /etc/sources.list
19:42<themill>:(
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19:42<ml|>teamon: mixed lenny with sid?
19:42<bja>teamon: shouldn't you have upgraded first?
19:42<RainCT>well, thanks bja, petemc :)
19:42<teamon>well....
19:43<bja>RainCT: np
19:43<bja>hope the second solution is easier to work out
19:43<teamon>themill: so, any way to fix that?
19:44<adb>teamon, next step is reinstalling all , my guess :(
19:44<teamon>ok.... so should i install lenny or sid?
19:45<ml|>lenny
19:45<bja>lenny first the unpgrade to squeeze then to sid
19:45<ml|>can't really install sid iirc
19:45<teamon>is upgrade to sid required?
19:45<ml|>no
19:45<bja>teamon: do a minimal install of lenny so your upgrades don't take that much time
19:45<themill>teamon: why do you want to run anything other than lenny?
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19:46<ml|>!sid
19:46<dpkg>[sid] the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>.
19:46<teamon>well, i added sid repo to get some packages that were missing (and which are required by xbmc)
19:46<ml|>teamon: mixing lenny and sid is a bad idea
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19:47<teamon>i fugured it out....
19:47<ml|>teamon: there is backports /msg dpkg bpo
19:48<teamon>so i going to get lenny once again
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19:48<ml|>good luck
19:48<teamon>btw, anyone had experience with xbmc?
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20:15<blendmaster1024>how hard is it to remaster the debian live CD?
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20:16<dondelelcaro>blendmaster1024: use the live-helper and associated tools
20:17<blendmaster1024>ok, how about upgrading the kernel? the default lenny kernel has a bug that prevents it from working with my network card.
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20:20<blendmaster1024>what other packages then live-helper should i install? just live-helper?
20:21<adb>blendmaster1024, > #debian-live
20:21<witte>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/ISO
20:21<blendmaster1024>ooh, a whole channel! thanks guys
20:22<witte>blendmaster1024: there is a lot on the debian wiki as well, check that info first
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20:24<blendmaster1024>:s i have very little space on /, but i have a huge ntfs partiton - whaat should i do? i don't want to switch off of ntfs because i have 130GB of data on it i can't lose... is loopback acceptable??
20:24-!-RvGaTe [~RvGaTe@dhcp-077-250-020-088.chello.nl] has joined #debian
20:24<blendmaster1024>(for making a livecd)
20:25<witte>blendmaster1024: apt-get autoclean if you have /var on / and not a separate partition might help a lot
20:25<blendmaster1024>what will that do? btw i use cds to do installing so there is nothing in /var/cache/apt/archives
20:26<witte>blendmaster1024: it will clean that directory, so not useful for you...
20:28<blendmaster1024>i'm going to use loop and ext3 because i assume that live-helper will want permissions to work
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20:30<teamon>so, noone had installed xbmc on debian?
20:31<petemc>teamon: http://www.xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=41582
20:31<petemc>i use xbmc on a few xboxes around the house, and boxee on the mac
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20:31<teamon>tried - faild ;p
20:32<petemc>have you tried it on a non mixed lenny/sid box?
20:32<teamon>tried on lenny
20:32<petemc>without packages from sid?
20:32<teamon>(on vmware on my mac) but end up with some errors
20:32<teamon>yes
20:32<petemc>ie, do you have a different error than your one form earlier?
20:33<teamon>i found http://www.xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?p=393668
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20:33<teamon>yes
20:33<petemc>what is it?
20:33<teamon>but i dont really know how to get those packages and how to install them
20:33<bja>blendmaster1024: i usually cleanup /root so i don't have anything but the essential there and then if for some reason i need some extra space there i do a soft link to another partition
20:33<teamon>it looks like they are for ubuntu only
20:34<petemc>the guide i posted if for lenny
20:34<blendmaster1024>interesting bja but my big partition is ntfs :(
20:34<bja>:(
20:35<abrotman>blendmaster1024: didn't we tell you to ask #knoppix ?
20:35<teamon>petemc: i found https://launchpad.net/~team-xbmc/+archive/ppa/+build/1043960 but seems too small
20:35<teamon>only about 60mb
20:35<abrotman>blendmaster1024: ignore me
20:35<witte>blendmaster1024: no usb stick nearby, thesedays they get quite big (I have a few of 4 GB)
20:35<blendmaster1024>abrotman, i'm asking about debian-live now you retard
20:35<abrotman>blendmaster1024: don't call people names
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20:36<blendmaster1024>except when they deserve them. can you stop picking on me? every time i say something you tell me to correct some aspect of my behavior. stop!!
20:36<[CBJ]MrMagoo>want me to tell you that calling people names is a bad idea?
20:36<abrotman>blendmaster1024: no one deserves it
20:36<[CBJ]MrMagoo>:)
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20:37<[CBJ]MrMagoo>guess he slipped
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20:41<abrotman>nah, he went to freenode
20:41<RvGaTe>really?
20:42<bja>abrotman: Could you send him my regards please?
20:42<RvGaTe>im hungry... someone get me some food
20:43<adb>!food RvGaTe
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20:43<RvGaTe>thank you :)
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20:45<bja>!beer RvGaTe
20:45*dpkg pours a pint of Bornem Tripple for RvGaTe
20:45<RvGaTe>woaaa
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21:12<xeon-enouf>!deadbeef RvGaTe
21:13<RvGaTe>xeon-enouf, why does your name look so familiar? :/
21:13<xeon-enouf>RvGaTe: remove the xeon- part ;-)
21:13<RvGaTe>yeah, thats prolly why :P
21:13<xeon-enouf>;-)
21:13<RvGaTe>long time no see
21:14<xeon-enouf>RvGaTe: i'm on my xeon dual MP (1.7GHz x 2) system atm ;-)
21:14<xeon-enouf>rather than my pII staple
21:14<RvGaTe>lol
21:14<RvGaTe>im on my intel dualcore 2.8 ghz :$
21:15<RvGaTe>should i change my name now to? :P
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21:31<RvGaTe>well.. i going to get some sleep, gnight all
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21:33<jaime>buenas noches alguien me prodria informar como empezar a utilizar el gestor de descargas bittorrent
21:34<jaime>alguien que hable español
21:34<abrotman>!es
21:34<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
21:35<jaime>thank you bye
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21:36<jaime>epale marcos hablas español?
21:37<abrotman>#debian-es
21:37<marcOS>jaime, si si
21:38<jaime>gracias como hago para ir al chat en español que soy nuevo en linux
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21:39<marcOS>podes entrar al canal #debian-es ¿?
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21:39<jaime>aja pero como?
21:40<marcOS>de la misma manera q llegast hasta este canal :P como lo hiciste ¿?
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21:40<abrotman>!es
21:40<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
21:40<jaime>le di a un icono que ofrecia un chat y ya cai aqui
21:41<jaime>dame un chance dpkg
21:42<dr|z3d>!pt
21:42<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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22:09<GLG>sry still here?
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22:12<Iyunkateus>How do I make Debian unremember the root password?
22:12<abrotman>huh?
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22:13<bremner>maybe he means reset the root password
22:13<rudi_s_>Iyunkateus: sudo -k if you meant with sudo.
22:13<Iyunkateus>Make it ask me for the password every time
22:13<Iyunkateus>I set it to remember the admin password and I want to turn that off again
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22:16<lili_>HI,all..my ip address is 192.168.0.11 in LAN, can i listen the port 4445 of 192.168.0.22 in the same LAN with tcpdump?? THANKS...
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22:17<Iyunkateus>oh wait I think I have it
22:18<dr|z3d>lili_: You need a hub, not a switch.
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22:20<Iyunkateus>I can't use sudo, how do I add myself to sudoers?
22:24<bremner>Iyunkateus: as root
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22:26<lili_>dr|z3d: you mean i can`t do it if the is controled by switch or router??only hub can do it??
22:26<lili_>if the LAN
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22:28<maggnetis>hello there
22:28<Desumasuku>Alguem do Brasil?
22:28<jmarsden>!br
22:28<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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22:30<maggnetis>i need some help with building fglrx on kernel 2.6.30. Anyone who can give some help??
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22:38<abrotman>maggnetis: i thought it was known not to work?
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22:41<maggnetis>abrotman: i know that. I am just asking if someone knows about a workthrough or something
22:43<maggnetis>i also tried using the old kernel again (2.6.26) but I ran the ati script for 2.6.30 then for 2.6.26 again. Then i built fglrx-source (from nonfree) with module-assistance for kernel 2.6.26
22:43<maggnetis>in general there is a mess right now
22:44<maggnetis>and i need help cleaning up my mess :p. I will just wait for the 2.6.30 until it gets fixed. I just need some info on how to enable the fglrx module on the old kernel 2.6.26 again
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22:56<blue32>Hi,peeps anyone know how to get kdesu run box to save entries?Mine don't im running sid
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22:59<seth>#pixelfuckers
22:59<abrotman>seth: don't do that
23:00<seth>sorry, tring to go to that channel
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23:01<blue32>i see debian disabled cntrl alt delete by default,and ive tryed about 5 ways to suposedly reenable it but none work for me:(
23:01<abrotman>blue32: it did? in which version ?
23:02<seth>GOTO #pixelfuckers
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23:02<blue32>abrotman: well its in sid not sure about lenny
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23:02<abrotman>seth: /join #foo
23:03<abrotman>blue32: you mean ctrl-alt-del or ctrl-alt-bksp ?
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23:03<blue32>abrotman: crap yea thanks i didnt see the backspace
23:03<nono>up enter
23:04<nono>trolling
23:04<blue32>right cntrl alt bksp
23:04<abrotman>blue32: you mean in X ? so you looked at the options for DontZap ?
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23:05<blue32>yep i tryed dontzap off,and false
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23:06<Iyunkateus>I can't lock the screen anymore, anyone have any idea why this might be so?
23:06<blue32>yea trying alot of small wm and cant logout of some and now cant use the contl alt bksp either
23:07<abrotman>blue32: should be true/false
23:07<Iyunkateus>Oh right, and if so, please tell me
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23:08<blue32>yea its funny if ya do a search theres 5 or 6 diferent ways but none work for me
23:08<abrotman>Iyunkateus: lock the screen where?
23:08<Iyunkateus>abrotman: What do you mean, where?
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23:08<abrotman>X or console ?
23:08<Iyunkateus>abrotman: X
23:09<abrotman>and you can't lock it since when? using which version of debian? running which DE?
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