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00:12<k1lumin4t1>scribus or scribus-ng?
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00:20<gsimmons>k1lumin4t1: The package description of scribus-ng in testing should help you decide.
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00:37<mahmood>hi
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02:04<twb>What's going on here? $ curl -o/dev/null "https://www.google.com/accounts/Login"
02:04<twb>curl: (35) error:0D0C50A1:asn1 encoding routines:ASN1_item_verify:unknown message digest algorithm
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02:15<akitada>twb: curl -V ?
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02:17<twb>akitada: curl 7.19.5 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) libcurl/7.19.5 OpenSSL/0.9.8k zlib/1.2.3.3 libidn/1.15 libssh2/1.2
02:18<gsimmons>twb: See Debian bug #541735.
02:18<twb>I get it on Debian squeeze/sid boxes, but not FC3
02:18<twb>gsimmons: thanks
02:20<twb>I guess there's no much I can do about it...
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02:24<bugsbunny>twb:based on bug #541735 you should be able to fix it by installing the version of openssl in unstable (0.9.8k-5)
02:24<twb>Oops, clearly I misread that part of the report
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02:48<francis>ds
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02:51<heartbeats>hi
02:51<ims>Using squeeze..."cpufreq failed" at startup error: what to do?
02:51<heartbeats>ay body is here?
02:51<heartbeats>my resolution changes to 800x600 on restart
02:51<heartbeats>why
02:52<franki^>heartbeats: what graphics driver?
02:52<heartbeats>iam using nvidia 9400GT
02:52<heartbeats>card
02:53<ims>heartsbeats:http://blogs.koolwal.net/2009/04/24/howto-resolve-x-server-video-driver-errorscrashes-in-debian-linux/
02:53<franki^>and you've installed the nvidia drivers?
02:53<heartbeats>yap
02:53<heartbeats>iam using
02:53<heartbeats>ubuntu
02:53<heartbeats>iam a beginer
02:53<twb>!tell heartbeats -about ubuntu
02:53<twb>!tell heartbeats -about enter
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02:54<franki^>ims: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=394911 may be relevant?
02:54<franki^>heartbeats: you're using ubuntu 9.04? how did you install the drivers?
02:55<ims>franki, maybe maybe not?
02:55<twb>heartbeats: if you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf, examine it for lines listing valid resolutions. 800x600 may be the highest listed.
02:56<franki^>ims: i don't know, but it mentions a solution to the "cpufreq failed" message, but there could be many causes for that error
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02:56<heartbeats>i just cheked and changed
02:56<heartbeats>but there is no scope
02:56<franki^>ubuntu's xorg stuff is funny
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02:56<franki^>i wouldn't go editing xorg.conf personally
02:57<heartbeats>but i can change the resolution to 1440x900
02:57<ml|>heartbeats: ask in #ubuntu not here please
02:57<heartbeats>but when the system get restated its go to 800x600
02:57<heartbeats>ok
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02:58<xeon-enouf>ims: you'd have to atleast pastebin some relevant anbd specific info .. laptop? cat /proc/version ; using debian kernel + debian initrd? ; dpkg -l cpu* | grep^.i
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02:59<xeon-enouf>ims: pastebin /var/log/dmesg too ; and /msg dpkg bootlogd
02:59<ims>xeon-enouf, I'll do that...
03:00<francis>can i mount NTFS drives in Read-Write mode
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03:01<xeon-enouf>ims: oh, and dpkg -l acpi\* | grep ^.i
03:01<xeon-enouf>francis: /msg dpkg ntfsrw ; /msgdpkg ntfs-3g
03:02<francis>tanks xeon-enouf
03:02<xeon-enouf>francis: er /msg dpkg ntfs-3g and yes, you need that and FUSE, add your username to *fuse* group and make sure you;re in 'plugdev' group or something. Logout/Login
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03:06<ims>xeon-enouf, http://pastebin.ca/1563940
03:09<cha>hyyyyyyyyyy
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03:10<xeon-enouf>hrm, more recent .30 are using gcc 4.3.4 now,... mine's Linux version 2.6.30-1-686 (Debian 2.6.30-4) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.3
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03:12<ims>xeon-enouf, http://pastebin.ca/1563942
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03:17<ims>xeon-enouf, bootlogd: http://pastebin.ca/1563944
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03:21<ims>xeon-enouf, dpkg -l acpi http://pastebin.ca/1563945
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03:23<xeon-enouf>ims: not "grep^.i" but "grep ^.i"
03:23<xeon-enouf>my bad - my typo way above
03:24<ims>xeon-enouf, ok
03:25<xeon-enouf>ims: CPU0: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+ stepping 01 <--supports cpu frequency scaling?
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03:25<xeon-enouf>ims: check the BIOS
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03:26<xeon-enouf>i'm guessing that's not a laptop too :-P
03:26<ims>xeon-enouf, If I must reboot, what do I look for? Its a desktop
03:28<xeon-enouf>ims: you look for SpeedStep or something ... that's what intel call{s,ed} theirs
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03:28<xeon-enouf>ims: or google, or see your mainboard manual, and check your AMI BIOS version
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03:29<xeon-enouf>ims: later than yours called theirs, PowerNow, or OnDemand .. or something Cool-n-Quiet maybe
03:29<xeon-enouf>AMD, that is
03:29<ims>xeon-enouf, cpu grep http://pastebin.ca/1563952
03:29<ml|>ims: install cpufrequtils and sysfsutils, then do cpufreq-info
03:30<xeon-enouf>ml|: installed - see recent paste ;-)
03:30<xeon-enouf>er, sysfsutils?
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03:31<ml|>ah, ok
03:31<xeon-enouf>ml|: i seriously doubt that CPU does scaling
03:31<xeon-enouf>but hey, you never know
03:31<ml|>xeon-enouf: won't hurt to see ;)
03:34<ims>ok I have my manual and I dont see any "scaling" or something to that effect
03:34<ims>should i just remove freqd and frequtilss?
03:35<ml|>ims: what does cpufreq-info say?
03:36<ims>ml, |wait a second...
03:37<ims>ml |, analyzing CPU 0:no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU
03:38<ims>ml |, what does it mean then?
03:38<ml|>ims: then, i doubt it supports scaling
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03:42<ml|>ims: what is the cpu model? is it the one above? or try ... cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "model name"
03:43<ims>ml|, athlon XP2000
03:44<ims>ml| my motherboard is ECS L&VMM3
03:44<ims>L7VMM3..typo
03:44<xeon-enouf>ims: you could remove --purge it, or just disable it
03:45<ml|>yes the one above, do as xeon-enouf suggested google to see if scaling works on that cpu, but like xeon-enouf said i doubt it at this point
03:45<xeon-enouf>ims: FWI, /msg dpkg rcconf (nice little util)
03:45<xeon-enouf>!FWIW
03:45<dpkg>somebody said fwiw was for {what,whatever} it's worth
03:46<ml|>or just use update-rc.d ;)
03:47<ims>allright i'll do update-rc.d first
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03:50<xeon-enouf>ml|: rcconf is so much nicer :-P update-rc.d/invoke-rc.d is basically meant for pkg maintainers :-)
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03:53<ims>xeon & ml|, just purge frequtils and freqd I am rebooting.....
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03:55<ml|>xeon-enouf: ok, haven't had the need to use update-rc.d much here, but i use it want to learn how to use and i do agree from what i've seen rcconf is nice
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04:03<fcs>!de
04:03<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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04:19<QQ_ghost>how do I get rid of the borders on the side of maximized windows?
04:22<franki^>i guess that depends on your window manager
04:22<QQ_ghost>lol, sorry. in kde
04:24<franki^>hmm, looks like there's a kde-window-decorator program
04:25<QQ_ghost>what's it called?
04:26<franki^>kde-window-decorator apparently ;)
04:26<franki^>http://www.manpages.spotlynx.com/gnu_linux/man/kde-window-decorator.1
04:26<franki^>not sure if that helps, sorry, i don't know too much about kde, i'm just having a quick google around
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04:27<QQ_ghost>thanks, will have a look
04:27<franki^>if that doesn't support removing window decorations, you can look around for a window manager that does, and use it with kde
04:27<franki^>(openbox, for instance)
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04:30<QQ_ghost>that's part of compiz though
04:30<QQ_ghost>the kde-window-decorator
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04:31<franki^>oh
04:31<franki^>so it is
04:31<QQ_ghost>my video card is getting pulled as soon as I set up this server...
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04:32<franki^>http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/qna/11818.html is it as simple as this? :P
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04:33<franki^>sorry, i shouldn't really be trying to give advice on stuff i know nothing about :)
04:33<QQ_ghost>I went there already ;)
04:33<franki^>heh, okay
04:33<franki^>just checking :P
04:34<QQ_ghost>I am using Debian for the first time in around 5 years
04:34<QQ_ghost>a lot has changed
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04:35<franki^>heh, i wasn't using linux 5 years ago :(
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04:37<QQ_ghost>my first linux experience was with 'slack' back in '95
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04:38<franki^>nice, i was in primary school then ;)
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04:39<QQ_ghost>I started college in '96...
04:40<franki^>well, i, for one, bow to your geek credentials :P
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04:40<cyres>moin
04:40<QQ_ghost>according to regexp, shouldn't your name be "^franki" or "franki$"
04:41<franki^>heh, i guess it should
04:41<QQ_ghost>lol
04:41<franki^>my problem was that frankie was always taken, so i took to replacing the last character randomly
04:42<franki^>franki^ kind of stuck :P
04:42<franki^>franki$ just doesn't look as cool
04:42<ml|>!ot
04:42<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
04:42<franki^>oops, sorry :)
04:43<sejerpz>hi all, I've a strange problem when copying files from a pc to a samba share OR nfs share the network on the client pc freeze
04:43<QQ_ghost>oh yeah, my other question! Does Debian maintain a forum? I have yet to find one...
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04:44<ml|>dpkg: forum
04:44<dpkg>somebody said forums was http://forums.debian.net/ http://www.debianhelp.org/ http://www.debianplanet.org/, or http://www.debianforums.org (basically dead)
04:44<QQ_ghost>thanks ml| !
04:44<ml|>np
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04:46<chaos>i just compiled a 2.6.31.1 kernel on a core2quad .. it kernel panics with Pid: 1, comm: swapper Not tainted 2.6.311 #1 ... with a call trace
04:48<locklace>chaos: that means you screwed it up
04:50<ml|>chaos: for vanilla kernel stuff, better place would be irc.oftc.net #kernelnewbies
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04:53<chaos>vanilla kernel?
04:53<chaos>locklace: gee... i never would've thought of that :P
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04:54<locklace>not like anyone can tell you anything more without the actual stack trace
04:54<ml|>chaos: where did you get the source?
04:54<chaos>ftp.kernel.org
04:54<locklace>and basic information like, did you ever manage to compile a working kernel with this config, would be useful too
04:54<chaos>locklace: yes
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04:55<ml|>chaos: that's a vanilla kernel
04:55<chaos>k.. i'll bug them then :)
04:56<ml|>chaos: you can ask here i guess, but there would be a better place
04:56<chaos>i'll poke everywhere
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04:59<cahoot>is there even a 2.31.1?
04:59<cahoot>err 2.6.31.1
04:59<ml|>don't think so
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05:17<QQ_ghost>AFAIK if it's on kernel.org it's official (it might still be beta)
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05:25<chaos>it's 2.6.31 .. the .1 is local version
05:25<chaos>sorry for the confusion
05:26<Worf_>... that's why i patiently wait a bit until 2.6.31 will show up in sid and lenny-backports :)
05:27<chaos>well waiting won't help me at all since the luks encryption i wanna use wasn't compiled into the 2.6.26 or whichever is latest available through apt-get :P
05:27<ml|>2.6.31 gave me problems
05:28<ml|>chaos: lenny?
05:28<chaos>on that box, yes
05:28<chaos>on this one squeeze
05:28<ml|>then use the bpo kernel
05:28<chaos>but .31 is so new i have 2.6.30.5 or was it 6 on this one :)
05:28<ml|>judd: kernels
05:28<judd>ml|: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
05:29<Worf_>chaos: hmm - maybe you have a look at the grml.org kernel, i think one of their maintainers does stuff like that ...
05:29<Worf_>chaos: ( but i might be wrong )
05:30<chaos>i think i'll just give it another go with 2.6.30.x
05:30<chaos>and if that fails i can still widen my search
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06:00<chiku01>someone can tell what wrong with my script http://pastebin.com/d4c06d8e8 ?
06:01<chiku01>chown test:test /var/lib/tftpboot
06:01<chiku01>but it's still root:root
06:01<chiku01>drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 sep 13 11:57 tftpboot
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06:05<Wayneang>I have been trying to boot debian on an Acer one? Can offer advice?
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06:07<chiku01>ok nvm I put the line at the end of the sciprt and it works
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06:07<chiku01>but I still don't know why at the begin of the script it doesn't work :(
06:08<locklace>!tell Wayneang about aspireone
06:08<chiku01>the directory exists
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06:09<chiku01>I run it as root
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06:24<xeon-enouf>!listkeys acerone
06:24<dpkg>Factoid search of 'acerone' by key (1): acerone.
06:25<xeon-enouf>!tell Wayneang about acerone
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06:36<wekt>With what keys are the Lenny ISOs signed? I have the debian-archive keyring, but still lack the key 88C7C1F7.
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06:56<Wayneang>How do u know who the ops are?
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06:56<dr|z3d>!ops
06:56<dpkg>from memory, ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
06:56<Nehyx>./msg chanserv access #debian list
06:56<dr|z3d>When you misbehave, you'll know.
06:58<Wayneang>Lol, No i'm assuming they will be able to help me a lil more
06:58<azeem>probably not
06:58<debinst> How do i configure which services start at boot? I know "bum" but i need something that runs on console.
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06:58<dr|z3d>sysconf-d
06:58<azeem>debinst: on console?
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06:58<dr|z3d>I think it's called that or similar.
06:59<dr|z3d>Also, please don't private message folk..
06:59<dr|z3d>Keep it in the channel, Wayneang.. more help available..
06:59<debinst>yes, on console. without X.
06:59<azeem>debinst: what are you trying to do
07:00<debinst>i'm trying to disable unused services
07:00<azeem>like?
07:00<debinst>so i need a list of everything that starts
07:00<azeem>are you sure you can tell which services are unused?
07:01<debinst>yes
07:01<dr|z3d>Wayneang: Please. Ask in the channel. We're _all_ here to help, mostly. :)
07:01<azeem>Wayneang: it's in the /topic, you know
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07:02<debinst>aptitude says there are many programs to configure services. but i don't find any.
07:03<Wayneang>I've tried to boot my aspire one with an external cdrom and usb, but neither of them seem to be picked up as a boot device, even if I try from the bios?
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07:04<azeem>Wayneang: was the question you were looking for ops for?
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07:04<azeem>+that
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07:05<Wayneang>No it's a lil more involved, but I'm only startin wit all this stuff now?
07:05<Wayneang>haha
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07:08<debinst>how do you guys configure what daemons run in various runlevels?
07:08<azeem>we usually don't
07:09<azeem>we just remove or deactivate the daemons we no longer need
07:09<LinuxOwnsMe>dear community, every time iam trying to edit via vim or mcedit /var/www/phpmyadmin/.htaccess i get the error code occured: cant open file for writing
07:09<azeem>LinuxOwnsMe: are you editing as root?
07:09<LinuxOwnsMe>y
07:09<LinuxOwnsMe>su root
07:09<LinuxOwnsMe>azeem
07:10<Wayneang>Oh and what's in the /topic
07:10<azeem>"/msg bots NOT people"
07:10<debinst>yes that's what i mean, deactivate the daemons. how do you do it?
07:10<dr|z3d>Wayneang: You asked about installing Debian.. what issues have you enocuntered?
07:10<LinuxOwnsMe>azeem any idea?
07:10<azeem>LinuxOwnsMe: no
07:11<LinuxOwnsMe>anyone else?
07:11<azeem>debinst: either the daemon has an option in its /etc/default/foo file, or you can remove the link e.g. with update-rc.d
07:11<LinuxOwnsMe>dear community, every time iam trying to edit via vim or mcedit /var/www/phpmyadmin/.htaccess i get the error code occured: cant open file for writing
07:11<azeem>LinuxOwnsMe: you just said that
07:11<azeem>repeating it just annoys people
07:11<LinuxOwnsMe>y but maybe there are newcomer
07:11<LinuxOwnsMe>sorry
07:11<azeem>LinuxOwnsMe: there weren't
07:12<azeem>you can try to ask again in a couple of hours
07:12<LinuxOwnsMe>azeem?
07:12<azeem>there weren't any newcomers since you last asked
07:12<LinuxOwnsMe>okay
07:12<LinuxOwnsMe>i get this
07:14<Wayneang>I can accecss the debian installer but it doesn't pick up any of the drives? Cd, networking? non of the install items work?
07:14<LinuxOwnsMe>when iam trying to edit via vim or mcedit /var/www/phpmyadmin/.htaccess i get the error code occured: cant open file for writing. Does anyone else, except azeem has a clue, a hint
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07:15<azeem>LinuxOwnsMe: you just said that twice
07:15<azeem>LinuxOwnsMe: if you want to force somebody to answer the question, you will have to pay for commercial support
07:15<azeem>we are all volunteers here
07:15<azeem>Wayneang: how do you start the installer?
07:16<bugsbunny>debinst:install sysv-rc-conf and use that
07:16<LinuxOwnsMe>azeem but noone is answering, what is your problem. stop argueing with that kind of crap...
07:16<LinuxOwnsMe>paying money nstuff
07:16<LinuxOwnsMe>you have a bad day or what?
07:16<azeem>LinuxOwnsMe: maybe nobody is answering because everybody is annoyed that you are flooding the channel with the same question every two minutses?
07:17<Wayneang>I setup the installer through windows and then when I reboot the Pc it gives me the option to start windows or the debian installer?
07:17<LinuxOwnsMe>i aint flooding sorry
07:17<azeem>Wayneang: ok.
07:17<azeem>LinuxOwnsMe: you ar
07:17<azeem>e
07:17<LinuxOwnsMe>its not flood to ask tweice
07:17<azeem>thrice
07:17<LinuxOwnsMe>iif noone is answering
07:17<LinuxOwnsMe>and whats the problem?
07:17<azeem>the flooding?
07:17<LinuxOwnsMe>thrice in 5 mins
07:17<LinuxOwnsMe>i think its okay
07:17<azeem>we don't
07:17<azeem>13:12 < azeem> you can try to ask again in a couple of hours
07:18<LinuxOwnsMe>YOU dont
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07:18<azeem>LinuxOwnsMe: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. Please try to be more productive in the future
07:18<Wayneang>Am I meant to partition my hard drive before trying to install debian? or will it do that during the install process?
07:18<azeem>Wayneang: it will partition it
07:18<debinst>sysv-rc-conf? great, i'll try that
07:18<dr|z3d>Wayneang: It will offer tha option.
07:19<dr|z3d>Either automagically, or manually.
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07:19<dr|z3d>If you're happy to use the entire disk, it's pretty straightforward.
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07:20<Wayneang>Yes I don't mind getting rid of windows completley but i need to get the debian installing first?
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07:20<Wayneang>When I copy the iso file to usb, should I extract the files or just copy the iso file as is?
07:20<dr|z3d>Wayneang: Boot off the cd, opt for the entire disk to be used.. the rest is dead easy.
07:21<azeem>Wayneang: if you cannot boot from usb, that will not help much
07:21<dr|z3d>You'd want to use a tool to create a bootable USB device, Wayneang.
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07:21<dr|z3d>If you're on Windows, UNetBootin works fine.
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07:22<Wayneang>It gives me the option to boot off usb, hard drive and external devices but it doesn't seem to work? I've tried copying the entire cd iso to disk and usb and I have also tried to boot with those exact files on usb but neither seem to be working?
07:22<dr|z3d>Wayneang: Like I said, you need to use a tool to get a bootable USB device.
07:22<dr|z3d>And your pc needs to support booting off USB.
07:23<dr|z3d>UNetBootin will create such a bootable device. You can run from Windows to create the bootable USB stick.
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07:23<Wayneang>Thanx, I will give it a try and see if it helps? Should I install the installer from windows or just let the pc pick it up on boot?
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07:24<dr|z3d>Wayneang: Unetbootin.. write the debian iso to usb stick, then boot off usb.
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07:26<twb>Or, you know, just use the standard USB boot media in main/installer-<arch>
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07:26<twb>I guess you'd need rawrite or something to dd the image to the stick from Windows.
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07:28<dr|z3d>twb: UNetbootin works _fine_ from Windows. Why confuse the issue?
07:28<twb>Because unetbootin is not the normal way of doing it
07:28<twb>It's new, and therefore WRONG
07:29<dr|z3d>It's normal for Windows users. Works 100% fine.
07:29<twb>That and it encourages people to download a huge .iso
07:29<dr|z3d>And Wayneang is currently on Windows.
07:29<dr|z3d>And I suspect has _already_ downloaded the iso.
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07:30<twb>Actually if I was gonna install from Windows onto the same machine, I'd probably look at http://goodbye-windows.com/
07:30<dr|z3d>ymmv.
07:30<twb>Yeah
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07:32<twb>On my own network, I boot the installer over PXE :-)
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07:33<Wayneang>Correct, I have downloaded about 4 different types of iso. lol
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07:35<twb>Of course, any copy of d-i should be able to find .iso files if they are installed in the root directory of any filesystem on your HDD...
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07:36<twb>(Once the HDD drivers are anna-installed, in the case of the netboot ramdisks.)
07:36<dr|z3d>Wayneang: If you got isos available, then unetbootin works wonders.
07:36<dr|z3d>Wayneang: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
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07:37<LinuxOwnsMe>hi community
07:37<LinuxOwnsMe>iam baq again
07:38<LinuxOwnsMe>with a problem:s
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07:38<twb>!ask
07:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:40<rebeca>hh
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07:40<LinuxOwnsMe>okay there you go: every time i try to use vim or mcedit on /var/www/phpmyadmin/.htaccess i get the error code e212 catn oben file for writin
07:40<LinuxOwnsMe>iam allready logge in as root
07:40<LinuxOwnsMe>dpkg
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07:41<twb>LinuxOwnsMe: I would normally recommend using sudoedit instead of logging in as root.
07:41<LinuxOwnsMe>how you mean?
07:42<abrotman>LinuxOwnsMe: did you install phpmyadmin? if so, why didn't you use the debian packages ?
07:42<twb>As in "sudoedit /var/www/phpmyadmin/.htaccess"
07:42<abrotman>twb: wouldn't that assume he's configured sudo correctly?
07:42<twb>As to your actual question, I don't know.
07:42<twb>abrotman: it would indeed.
07:42<abrotman>right .. anyways ..
07:42<LinuxOwnsMe>abrotman
07:42<LinuxOwnsMe>i missed you
07:43*abrotman can't find abrotman
07:43<LinuxOwnsMe>yeah i istalled phpmyadmin
07:43<twb>Too much ubuntu in twb's recent past, where sudo is enabled by default :-/
07:43<abrotman>LinuxOwnsMe: from source?
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07:43<LinuxOwnsMe>ftp source
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07:44<twb>LinuxOwnsMe: that is generally a Bad Thing
07:45<LinuxOwnsMe>why?
07:45<abrotman>LinuxOwnsMe: what does the output of `uname -a` say ?
07:46<LinuxOwnsMe>twb sudoedit does not work
07:47<LinuxOwnsMe>linux teamspeakserver 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 smp date*
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07:47<LinuxOwnsMe>x86_64 GNU/Linux
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07:47<twb>Does dpkg have a "why you should use apt" entry?
07:48<dr|z3d>!aptitude
07:48<dpkg>somebody said aptitude was a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude
07:48<dr|z3d>!why aptitude
07:48<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
07:48<twb>dr|z3d: I mean as opposed to just installing shit by hand like some sort of BSD refugee.
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07:50<LinuxOwnsMe>why cant i open the file.htaccess
07:50<LinuxOwnsMe>hmm
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07:50<LinuxOwnsMe>logged in as root
07:50<LinuxOwnsMe>*think*
07:50<LinuxOwnsMe>*think hard*
07:51<xeon-enouf>twb: there's a 'why not aptitude' .. which appears to have changed since i last saw it
07:51<abrotman>you should have installed phpmyadmin rom the package
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07:51<xeon-enouf>oh, duh
07:52<LinuxOwnsMe>i did
07:52<abrotman>you said you didn't
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07:52<LinuxOwnsMe>also apache2 and the php compatibility abrotman
07:52<LinuxOwnsMe>my bad
07:52<LinuxOwnsMe>i did
07:52<abrotman>does /var/www/phpmyadmin/ exist ?
07:52<LinuxOwnsMe>via apt-get
07:53*twb looks sternly at LinuxOwnsMe
07:53<twb>LinuxOwnsMe: you aren't fibbing, young man?
07:53<abrotman>that's not where phpmyadmin actually lives with the package
07:53<LinuxOwnsMe>var/www/
07:53<LinuxOwnsMe>exists
07:53<LinuxOwnsMe>but phpmyamdin ist not a direcotry
07:53<LinuxOwnsMe>its a file
07:53<LinuxOwnsMe>and does also exist
07:53<Wayneang>unetbootin giving same error messages: 1: cannot read removable media or no drivers found. 2: no common cd-rom drive detected. 3: A driver for your hardware is not available
07:53<abrotman>do you understand how directories and files work?
07:54<LinuxOwnsMe>i guess, yeah
07:54<twb>Wayneang: are you trying to install on the machine that is running Windows, or some second machine?
07:54<LinuxOwnsMe>at least iam trying to
07:54<LinuxOwnsMe>twb what the hick is fibbing^^
07:55<abrotman>LinuxOwnsMe: if /var/www/phpmyadmin is a file(not a directory) ..you won't be able to create a /var/www/phpmyadmin/.htaccess
07:55<abrotman>LinuxOwnsMe: what's your native language ?
07:55<LinuxOwnsMe>ah okay
07:55<LinuxOwnsMe>german
07:55<Wayneang>tryine to install on the same machine that is running windows
07:55<twb>Wayneang: you could try goodbye-windows.com, then.
07:55<LinuxOwnsMe>^^
07:55<abrotman>!de
07:55<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
07:55<twb>Wayneang: I can't vouch for it myself, since I haven't used Windows
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07:57<LinuxOwnsMe>y but i like to talk and understand in english just for learning purpose and the us community is kind of "sweeter"
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07:57<LinuxOwnsMe>abrotman how come the direcotory is missing?
07:57<abrotman>it's not supposed to be a directory
07:58<Gasuzaurio>channel spanish??
07:58<themill>That directory isn't needed; phpmyadmin is configured as an alias
07:58<twb>!tell Gasuzaurio -about es
07:58<Gasuzaurio>thanks
07:58<LinuxOwnsMe>okay but the tutorial tells me to edit .htaaccess
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07:58<themill>!tutorials
07:58<dpkg>A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
07:58<abrotman>LinuxOwnsMe: which tutorial?
07:59<twb>themill: bravo!
07:59<LinuxOwnsMe>its a german tutorial
07:59<abrotman>LinuxOwnsMe: which tutorial?
07:59<LinuxOwnsMe>its says to edit the access with some codes
07:59<dr|z3d>Wayneang: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
07:59<LinuxOwnsMe>http://www.tim-bormann.de/tutorial-installation-debian-etch-server/
08:00<abrotman>you're not running etch
08:00<LinuxOwnsMe>correct
08:01<LinuxOwnsMe>is there a problem?
08:01<abrotman>do you think things don't change between releases ?
08:01<LinuxOwnsMe>iam using lenny
08:01<zem>well... it's not much info... should tell you what IS The Proper Way
08:01<LinuxOwnsMe>i do abrotman^^ but i thought its nearly the same
08:02<abrotman>LinuxOwnsMe: did you try looking in /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/ ?
08:02<twb>zem: grokking is proper
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08:02<LinuxOwnsMe>no i didnt
08:02<LinuxOwnsMe>mom
08:03<themill>"dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin" should be all you need to do.
08:03<LinuxOwnsMe>how?
08:05<angasule>.whois themill
08:06<angasule>oops
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08:07<angasule>thanks :P thought you were someone I know, you aren't, I think
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08:09<hambalie>hai im new user for backtrack
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08:12<Fill>Hi, I'm running Debian Lenny, I'd like to disable gnome's autostart, how can I do it?
08:14<xeon-enouf>Fill: gnome-control-center perhaps?
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08:15<Fill>I don't know that
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08:15<Fill>hummm I found a website about it, will read everything
08:15<Fill>thanks for the tip, if I have anymore doubts I'll ask here :P
08:18<twb>Fill: rename /etc/rc?.d/S??gdm to K??gdm
08:18<abrotman>update-rc.d
08:18<twb>abrotman: right, but that claims it's not for sysadmins :-)
08:18<abrotman>if he were a sysadmin .. would he be asking ?
08:18<twb>Ha
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08:32<EmleyMoor>oowriter is crashing every time I try to start new labels... how can I tell why, or stop it doing that?
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08:34<abrotman>did you check the BTS ?
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08:37<EmleyMoor>abrotman: Not found anything relevant yet - there's a lot of bugs on it
08:38<abrotman>there is a debian OO channel somewhere
08:40<sejerpz>hi all... I've a problem with the tg3 driver.... my network card/driver freeze if I copy a file from my laptop to a samba or nfs share.
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08:41<sejerpz>this happens only if I upload a file from the laptop (debian sid) to the server and *not* if I download a file from the server
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08:43<sejerpz>the server is a debian sid box too and if I try to copy even a big dir from another windows box to the server everything work!
08:43<sejerpz>any idea?
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08:45<abrotman>does the tg3 still have optional firmware?
08:45<gsimmons>abrotman: Yes, but this is only needed in a few (rare) cases.
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08:46<sejerpz>how can I check if the firmware is loaded?
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08:46<sejerpz>my hardware is a lenovo ideapad s9e
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08:47<sejerpz>another detail: after the freeze even a simple ping to my router fails... to have a working net again I've to force-reload the drivers
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08:47<abrotman>so you're crashing the driver?
08:47<sejerpz>/etc/init.d/networking force-reload
08:47<abrotman>roughly
08:47<sejerpz>yes i think so...
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08:48<sejerpz>but there nothing useful in the syslog or dmesg
08:48<JohnLouis>I am learning about objects and modules. And I get it to work like this my $r = $obj->subroutine($arg); But how can I make it in the same time to work like this: my $r = subroutine($arg): I did import modules with use Package::Utils qw(:all);
08:48<qman4life>guys i tried installing windows xp sp2 but it failed and said i don't have some sort of drivers needed..like something about a hard drive..?
08:49<abrotman>qman4life: you're in the wrong channel
08:49<qman4life>it said setup did not have any hard disk drivers installed on my computer
08:49<Gathond>qman4life: so naturally you sought out a debian linux help channel for this XP problem?
08:50<qman4life>oh u guys arnt linux dudes?
08:50<qman4life>oh wait
08:50<qman4life>nono
08:50<Gathond>qman4life: try MS support, they have been paid to help you
08:50<qman4life>im trying to..dual boot
08:50<Gathond>so?
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08:50<qman4life>...
08:50<qman4life>omg..nvm
08:50<Gathond>the only contribution debian has there may be a bootloader, nothing more
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09:19<chaos>somebody plz take a look at paste.debian.net/46426/ that's the message i get when kernel dies on boot ... barring typoes :)
09:20<abrotman>you typed that in ?
09:20<chaos>yes
09:20<abrotman>did you compile your own kernel?
09:20<chaos>yes
09:21<abrotman>eh .. why?
09:21<chaos>cos the one in depository is missing stuff i want
09:22<abrotman>so is this one apparently ;)
09:22<chaos>yes
09:22<abrotman>what is the debian kernel missing? why didn't you use the debian config as a starting point? how did you compile it?
09:23<chaos>i did use the deb config to start with but removed a lot and added LUKS encryption
09:23<raboof>odd that 'List of all partitions' lists no partitions at all
09:23<chaos>well there's just one volume .. a raid on a 3ware controller
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09:25<abrotman>chaos: you removed way too much stuff
09:25<chaos>well ... obviously
09:26<abrotman>chaos: you removed the driver for your controller or maybe you removed the driver for your filesystem .. hopefully not something more low level
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09:27<azeem>chaos: what else did you add except LUKS encryption?
09:27<chaos>i found the one which the default kernel is using for my controller (3x_xxxx or something) and that's in the new one as module
09:27<azeem>and what exactly about LUKS encryption wasn't enabled?
09:27<azeem>chaos: do you have a initramfs?
09:29<chaos>don't think so
09:29<azeem>how is the kernel going to find the module for your raid controller then?
09:30<chaos>well it was M so i didn't touch it
09:30<azeem>the Debian kernel also had a working initrd
09:30<azeem>let's go a different route: what exactly was missing in the Debian kernel that you needed?
09:31<chaos>well i was following the LUKS tutorial and it crapped out on me ... i'm redoing it now to find the exact error
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09:33<chaos>but if the kernel i got from the debian installer had a working initrd wouldn't that still work with the new kernel?
09:34<azeem>I think initrds are pretty much kernel specific
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09:39<chaos>azeem: well it worked this time so i have no clue why it didn't 2 days ago with the same kernel
09:40<azeem>me neither
09:40<azeem>but recompiling the kernel is seldom a good strategy
09:41<chaos>well ext4 is still missing from the default kernel :P
09:41<chaos>but i think i can live without that for now
09:41<themill>no it's not
09:41<themill>judd kconfig ext4 --release sid
09:41<judd>themill: Searching for 'ext4' in sid kernel config gives EXT4_FS=m EXT4DEV_COMPAT=y EXT4_FS_XATTR=y EXT4_FS_POSIX_ACL=y EXT4_FS_SECURITY=y.
09:42<abrotman>and it is in lenny, but it's ext4_dev
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09:42<abrotman>and even if it were, there is the bpo kernel .. probably easier than compiling your own
09:42<Tekla>i copied config-2.6.26-2-amd64 to the source are .config and ext4 wasn't enabled
09:43<azeem>Tekla: it's not enabled in .26, yes
09:43<chaos> = Tekla ... just different clients
09:43<azeem>eh.
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09:43<abrotman>judd: kconfig ext4dev --release lenny
09:43<judd>abrotman: Searching for 'ext4dev' in lenny kernel config gives EXT4DEV_FS=m EXT4DEV_FS_XATTR=y EXT4DEV_FS_POSIX_ACL=y EXT4DEV_FS_SECURITY=y.
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10:28<sdsdsd>Hello Guys, i need help. Today with my matinal aptitude update && full-upgrade for my Squeeze AMD64 and i see that there is a new version of libgl1-mesa* , but they try to remove xorg (and xserver-xorg*) because some dependencies unsatisfied.
10:29<abrotman>so don't do it
10:30<sdsdsd>ok, i wont do it.
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10:31<sdsdsd>but will it provide Hardware Acceleration for RadeonHD?
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10:31<fgh>hi
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10:31<abrotman>sdsdsd: wait a few days for it to work correctly
10:31<sdsdsd>ok, thanks
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10:56<sejerpz>hurra! I found the workaround to my tg3 problem. Now where should I write the command so my eth card is properly configured each time it goes up?
10:56<sejerpz>I use networkmanager
10:57<abrotman>depends on which command hyou need to use
10:57<sejerpz>is it 'post-up' in interfaces the right place to put the command?
10:57<sejerpz>abrotman, ethtool -K eth0 gso off
10:58<abrotman>that is one place you could put it
10:58<sejerpz>even if I use networkmanager for my cards?
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11:00<abrotman>oh .. no idea .. you could also use your own init script and call it when the system boots
11:00<sejerpz>abrotman, ok, I will do some research on the matter thank you anyway
11:00<bloebb>hi there, i am going to set up a dual boot system (debian/debian) and would like to have my final questions answered:
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11:01<abrotman>!tell sejerpz about run at startup
11:01<bloebb>1. is it right to have the first os' grub installed in th MBR and the of the second os NOT?
11:01<abrotman>are you going to install two linux OSes?
11:01<bloebb>yes debian/debian
11:01<abrotman>eh .. why?
11:02<bloebb>because i want one stable os to work with and one to make music
11:02<bloebb>and as ia am sick of ubuntu studio, 64studio... i will try to build that on my own
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11:03<bloebb>additionally, i could experiment with other distros then
11:03<bloebb>without harming my working system
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11:09<abrotman>bloebb: well, what you're proposing is one way to do it
11:09<musca>bloebb: all of that can easily b
11:09<musca>grrr -- take a virtual machine then
11:10<bloebb>musca: i don't think this is a good idea concerning realtime performance
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11:11<musca>ah -- that kind of music
11:11<bloebb>?
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11:11<bloebb>so, do i have to really know anxthing particular?
11:12<bloebb>i asked someone some days back and they said, no, just do it
11:12<bloebb>but i feel a bit uncomfortable with that
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11:14<bloebb>so, do i have to be aware of anything else than the MBR issue?
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11:14<Lethalman>bloebb, nothing else
11:15<bloebb>thanx a lot
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11:15<bloebb>i'll give it a try
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11:15<Lethalman>bloebb, can I ask you a thing?
11:15<Lethalman>gr
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11:17<Wayneang>When trying to install debian i'm getting the error Download debconf preconfiguration file failed and network autoconfigure failed? Anyone have any ideas?
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11:19<abrotman>Wayneang: can you put it in a pastebin ?
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11:20<Wayneang>Sorry but what is a pastebin?
11:21<abrotman>Wayneang: paste.debian.net
11:21<Lethalman>!paste
11:21<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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11:24<Wayneang>http://paste.debian.net/46434
11:26<abrotman>probably more output than that ?
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11:27<Wayneang>Another thing, what is the name server when trying to configure the network hardware?
11:27<petemc>dns
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11:29<Wayneang>Ok, cuz my wireless network is automatic?
11:30<Lethalman>cuz?
11:31<Wayneang>It's automatic, so shouldn't be using dns or it should be assigning it automatically? In otherwords, how would I find out what the name server should be?
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11:35<zem>Wayneang: i guess it's your routers ip
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11:45<chaos>who can help me with arno's firewall? :) i have an ftpd and i specified the passive ports to use in the ftpd's config and opened those ports in arno's config (both tcp & udp) yet my connection to the ftpd times out if i have the firewall on :(
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11:53<hvyfxd09bjnm4dsw>como se esse canal fosse útil
11:53<chaos>!es
11:53<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:54<chaos>was it spanish?
11:54<abrotman>seemingly
11:54<Nehyx>chaos: yes
11:54<chaos>thx
11:54*chaos doesn't speak spanish :)
11:54<Nehyx>np ;)
11:55<dr|z3d>Nah. That was portuguese I think.
11:55*Nehyx is spanish
11:55<dr|z3d>Or very _bad_ Spanish.
11:55<chaos>they look very familiar don't they?
11:57<dr|z3d>Spanish and Portuguese are similar, yes.
11:57<Nehyx>he is portuguese, he said me in pm
11:57<dr|z3d>Thought as much. :)
11:57<Nehyx>is any portuguese channel here?
11:58<dr|z3d>!pt
11:58<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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11:58<chaos>i didn't even know what the 2 char code was for portuguese :P
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11:59<_AnywhereIs_>hello. does someone have issue that xfdesktop process eats TOOO much RAM after some uptime... i guess, a week. maybe it's just now, i didn't rebooted from last time i installed it. i use lenny 5.0.1 and xfce4 from original DVD. everything would be fine xcpt for that RAM eating due to which i need to logout every week to free RAM.
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12:00<chaos>that sux
12:00<_AnywhereIs_>i can note that i didn't have that issue under gnome.
12:00<chaos>well screw both! use kde! :D
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12:00<_AnywhereIs_>chaos: i asked about xfce.
12:01<GarouDan>HELP^^ - Hi...i want to open a new grafic interface in my debian/ubuntu...how can i do this?
12:01<chaos>well that seemed more like a bugreport than a question to me
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12:02<dr|z3d>_AnywhereIs_: irc://irc.freenode.net/xfce
12:02<dr|z3d>They're helpful people.
12:03<_AnywhereIs_>i think they don't support ones releases are part of distros
12:03<_AnywhereIs_>but well i'll check it out
12:03<GarouDan>i had tried something like.... export DISPLAY=0:1 && X :1 && gnome-wm
12:04<GarouDan>but i didnt see anything
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12:16<vook>this shouldn't surprise me, but I think I received some bad binaries from a debian-multimeida repo recently.
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12:16<vook>*multimedia
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12:17<vook>its a sad day when one can't acquire a nice kosher copy of decss
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12:35<drakeman>hey anyone knows how to change the default icon for certain file type in debian? for example i want to change de the default icon for de .php files in my system, how can i do that?, thanks!
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12:36<LinuxOwnsMe>fg
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12:37<LinuxOwnsMe>hi community
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12:47<valdyn>drakeman: in gnome?
12:48<drakeman>valdyn, yes!
12:48<valdyn>drakeman: i think you just rightclick on a php file, select properties, then click on that icon
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12:49<drakeman>valdyn, yes, that changes the icon just for that file, i wnat to change it for all the files with .php extension!
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12:51<valdyn>drakeman: no GUI for that, i guess you would have to modify the icon theme
12:51<chaos>who can help me with arno's firewall? :) i have an ftpd and i specified the passive ports to use in the ftpd's config and opened those ports in arno's config (both tcp & udp) yet my connection to the ftpd times out if i have the firewall on :(
12:51<valdyn>drakeman: or just select a different icon theme, which can be done thru the GUI again
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12:52<drakeman>valdyn, what specific part of the gui? or what app?
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12:52<valdyn>drakeman: in which debian release?
12:52<drakeman>valdyn, i guess in appareance / preferences.
12:52<valdyn>drakeman: or maybe it was "gnome-appearance-properties" for lenny already
12:52<drakeman>valdyn, testing
12:52<valdyn>drakeman: yea
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12:53<drakeman>valdyn, thanks, let me try to modify, just one type of icon.
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13:07<aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa>Why debian sucks?
13:08<blendmaster1024>you say that here?
13:08<dr|z3d>!ops lose the troll please
13:08<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: dr|z3d complains about: lose the troll please
13:08<dr|z3d>blendmaster1024: It's here to troll.
13:08-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
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13:08<blendmaster1024>oh
13:08-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
13:08<dr|z3d>Already been booted from #tor etc.
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13:10*Maulkin considers turning off tor again.
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13:11<abrotman>not if i beat you to it:)
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13:11<Maulkin>abrotman: you can't turn it off for all of OFTC... :)
13:11<abrotman>i can try!
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13:13<rudepeople>You know, once you get past the nvidia problems... I'm really liking debian... again... now if only I could get my nvidia control panel back... *sigh
13:14<zem>install nvidia-settings?
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13:14<rudepeople>... never notices there was an nvidia-settings package... must be in sid?
13:14<rudepeople>*niticed
13:15<abrotman>noticed?
13:15<rudepeople>*noticed... GOD I can't type
13:15<rudepeople>I'll give it a shot when I get home.
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13:15<zem>it's in any repo afaik... after sarge that is... i don't know befor that
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13:16<zem>*before
13:16<rudepeople>I REALLY like the nv cpl, makes laptop screen alterations a snap.
13:16<rudepeople>My lappy is a pain to configure to use an external display without it.
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13:16<rudepeople>but other than that... everything else... just... works!
13:17<rudepeople>heck I remember when wifi was hit and miss... now bluetooth a2dp works OOB!!! (once you install bluez-utils and blueman)
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13:19<zem>"oob once you install" is kind of not oob ^^
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13:21<rudepeople>yeah, yeah... but in linux, OOB (for me anyway) means after basic install including drivers and needed packages... kinda a throwback from winblows.
13:22<rudepeople>IE: no heavy configuration needed.
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13:22<rudepeople>yeah... I'm a tard.
13:22<rudepeople>SO! anyone watch clerks 2?
13:23<rudepeople>"I miss my donkey"
13:23<rudepeople>:P
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13:43<icebrain>what's the script that runs the shutdown runlevel, killing processes and unmounting stuff?
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13:55<fgh>what package have the /usr/bin/php ?
13:55<slush>php5-cli
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14:23<chaos>umm... how do i create 1gb virtual disk in RAM?
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14:41<sdsdsd>hello, i use Squeeze AMD64, and i full-upgraded today and i get the new Xorg and RadeonHD drivers. The Radeonhd driver nont get direct rendering ( the system becomes buggy). What do you suggest? (i use a Legacy card r500 )
14:42<chaos>downgrade? :s
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14:43<sdsdsd>no, since the default kernel is 2.6.30-1 i have no direct rendering...
14:43<sdsdsd>i just disable it...
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14:44<sdsdsd>before it had no Direct rendering, now i have one that is buggy. But i know that there is a way to get a good direct rendering now...
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14:46<chaos>my ircds wouldn't link, my firewall won't let ppl dirlist with pasv and my script wouldn't talk on irc ...
14:46<chaos>those are my current problems :)
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14:47<chaos>hey service .. do you speak .hu?
14:47<chealer>sdsdsd: which new Xorg?
14:47<chaos>Lorandka: ?
14:47<moeen>Just installed Debian Testing without any extra packages, and get this error when Gnome starts : There was an error starting Gnome Settings Daemon. ... Any solution ?
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14:48<sdsdsd>chealer, Today, on Full-upgrade i recived a upgrade for xorg and radeonhd drivers
14:49<chealer>sdsdsd: sorry, I see what you mean now
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14:51<cahoot>moeen: seen that since circa a month, known bug, I think it's fixed in sid and will trickle down into squeeze in time
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14:52<sdsdsd>ok, thanks cahoot
14:52<drakeman>hey, good evening, im always have problem with that update-alternatives in debian, i was trying to change my debian icon in gnome panel but now, i thing i messed up the update-alternatives, because i cannot set the icon aymore through update-alternatives --config start-here.svg, i get an error.
14:52<drakeman>that says update-alternatives: error: unable to install /etc/alternatives/start-here.svg.dpkg-tmp as /etc/alternatives/start-here.svg: No such file or directory
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14:53<moeen>cahoot, good :) So I'm migrating to SID :P
14:54<cahoot>moeen: don't refer that decision to me
14:54<drakeman>any ideas? u was trying to install a new icon for alternative with the command update-alternatives --install /etc/alternatives/start-here.svg start-here.svg /newicon/dir priority
14:54<moeen>cahoot, I don't :)
14:54<cahoot>moeen: AFAICT it's just a message. I've seen no ill effect
14:55<moeen>cahoot, I have other problems as well, like when I right click on Network Manager and disable wireless for example, it goes away completely
14:56<cahoot>moeen: I prefer wicd anyway
14:56<drakeman>any ideas with the update-alternatives thing? thanks!
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14:59<cahoot>drakeman: FYI it looks like this here: /etc/alternatives/start-here.svg -> /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/places/debian-swirl.svg
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15:00<drakeman>ok, i will try to make the link again.
15:00<drakeman>cahoot, let me try that.
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15:02<sdsdsd>chealer about the previous bug. What is the link of that bug?
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15:02<slush>ho
15:03<drakeman>now i guet this error ---> update-alternatives: warning: forcing reinstallation of alternative /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/places/debian-swirl.svg because link group start-here.svg is broken.
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15:21<chaoticmass>Debian Lenny general apt question: I installed apache2 with apt and it worked. Then I broke it, messed it up, etc. So i removed it with apt. Reinstalled it with apt. Still broken. Manually deleted old /etc/apache2 files. Removed, reinstalled, removed, reconfigured, re-this re-that. Can't get it to reinstall fresh like it did the first time, with a working configuration. What is the Debian-way magic command invokation that I
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15:22<themill>!confmiss
15:22<dpkg>the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
15:22<chaoticmass>themill: thanks a million. Just what I needed.
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15:23<themill>the package with the config files is apache2.2-common
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15:26<chaoticmass>themill: I did "apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2.2-common" and it reinstalled the conf files, /etc/apache2 and all its files are back-- however, /etc/init.d/apache2 start gives a configuration file syntax error. I'm confused why a stock config file is giving errors. Any clue?
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15:27<abrotman>chaoticmass: what's the error ?
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15:28<chaoticmass>Starting web server: apache2Syntax error on line 143 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Invalid command 'Order', perhaps mispelled ... blah blah blah
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15:32<themill>probably need to "confmiss" other apache2 packages too
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15:34<chaoticmass>:( d'oh. How do I know what packages to do next? Just hit all from dpkg -l | grep apache ?
15:34<diego>Hi, I messed up all video drivers and fixing will take a while ... do you know any MSN / Google Talk console client
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15:34<diego>I would like to chat while fixing all this
15:34<diego>:)
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15:36<chaoticmass>I just tried my own suggestion. it's not working. There is no way to make it go back to a clean slate and redo it? There's nothing THAT funky going on except that I originally installed ampache, decided I didn't like it, removed it, and now apache2 won't work and is all messed up.
15:37<abrotman>chaoticmass: does it tell you a line ?
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15:38<chaoticmass>abrotman : the line it fails on is one it shouldn't be failing on "Invalid command 'Order'"
15:38<abrotman>show us the line/stanza
15:38<chaoticmass>1 min pastbinning
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15:39<chaoticmass>http://pastebin.com/m53146287
15:40<abrotman>and the actual error is ?
15:41<slush>diego: bitlbee (irc-to-msn/jabber/icq/etc, see http://bitlbee.org/) or licq with licq-plugin-console and licq-plugin-msn
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15:41<chaoticmass>error is : http://pastebin.com/m100e2b25
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15:42<themill>chaoticmass: do you have /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/authz_host.load?
15:43<chaoticmass> /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ is an empty directory
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15:43<abrotman>that's probably not a good thing
15:44<chaoticmass>Well, I assume that directory is normally not empty, but how do I twist apt's arm so that it will put it back like it did the first time I installed apache2?
15:44<abrotman>chaoticmass: /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2.2-common.postinst
15:45<chaoticmass>abrotman: that file exists, appears to be a script. Should I run it?
15:45<abrotman>yes
15:45<drakeman>anyone else knows how works the update-alternatives things, to see if i can solve mi eror
15:45<chaoticmass>abrotman : I ran it. it gave no output to the console and mods-enabled is still empty
15:45<abrotman>it was a warning
15:46<abrotman>chaoticmass: http://paste.debian.net/46445/
15:46<abrotman>drakeman: warning, not error .. right ?
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15:47<chaoticmass>abrotman: what is this?
15:47<abrotman>chaoticmass: what does it look like ?
15:47<drakeman>abrotman, this one ---> update-alternatives: error: unable to install /etc/alternatives/start-here.svg.dpkg-tmp as /etc/alternatives/start-here.svg: No such file or directory
15:47<abrotman>so which one doesn't exist ?
15:47<drakeman>abrotman, but there is a problem, because i cant change the alternative for that.
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15:49<drakeman>abrotman, i already try to make the files, in /etc/alternativesstart-here.svg and start-here.svg.dpkg-tmp, but when i ran update-alternatives again, it removes the files i make and put a broken link, and i get the warning.
15:49<chaoticmass>Thanks for helping me try to solve this problem, but I feel this would be much simpler if there was a way to just make apt/dpkg/magic elves just "Nuke apache2, all config files, everthing like it was never there, then install it fresh like it was the first time installing it ever."
15:49<abrotman>there is
15:50<chaoticmass>format my hard drive and reinstall debian?
15:50<abrotman>no .. aptitude purge apache2.2-common ?
15:50<themill>if you purged the apache2.2-common package and then installed apache2 again it should be fine
15:50<themill>yeah, what he said
15:51<chaoticmass>thats what I wanted from step one :)
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15:55<chaos>anybody have a clue about unrealircd? we have 3.2 & 3.2.8.1 on two boxes and they won't link
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15:55<drakeman>abrotman, so i thing the option to change tha icon is messed .. because doesnet work anymore, i try to add a new alternative to put a custom imagen, but now doestn work i use sudo update-alternatives --install /etc/alternatives start-here.svg /miimage/dir 10
15:56<drakeman>abrotman, the command add the new option under the --config of start-here.svg, but now i get the warning /errors
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15:56<abrotman>i hope that's not the actual command you used
15:56<davi>What program use to create an ISO backup of a CD which could have errors?
15:56<davi>readcd?
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15:57<chaoticmass>back, PC crashed :\
15:58<chaoticmass>themill: abrotman: aptitude purge worked, and I was aptitude install'ing apache2 back when my PC suddenly crashed at the WORST time. Now aptitude says it can't read /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates . What should I do?
15:59<chaoticmass>( the crash was probably related to a hardware issue )
16:01<drakeman>abrotman, yes, y use that command to add a new alternative under start-here-.svg option, the exact command was sudo update-alternatives --install /etc/alternatives/start-here.svg start-here.svg /usr/share/icon/gnome/scalable/places/miimage.png
16:01<drakeman>abrotman, the command adds the new option, but now i get --> update-alternatives: error: unable to install /etc/alternatives/start-here.svg.dpkg-tmp as /etc/alternatives/start-here.svg: No such file or directory --> and now doesnt work
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16:07<chaoticmass> /usr/lib/libapr-1.so.0: invalid ELF header
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16:07<eligos>hello
16:08<eligos>ahyone here?
16:08<eligos>anyone?
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16:08<chaoticmass>eligos : not any more it seems
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16:09<drakeman>abrotman, the command is wrong?
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16:12<chaoticmass>Its annoying, some of the most common Debian/Linux dpkg problems are the hardest to find answers for on google. When I search for "dpkg corrupt" I get 1000's of forum posts of newbies asking for help and NO ANSWERS. This apparently happens a lot but the solution is a secret.
16:13<slush>!ask
16:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
16:13<Hideo>chaoticmass: effective googling involves the exact error, not your interpretation of what is wrong
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16:16<chaoticmass>Found what I needed: "dpkg --clear-avail"
16:16*chaoticmass is still confounded occasionally despite using Debian daily since Sarge was new.
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16:18<slush>hehe
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16:18<chaoticmass>haha, apache2 is working again :) Thanks for putting up with me and giving help. aptitude purge <pkgname> and aptitude install <pkgname> are what I needed (the PC crashing and corrupting dpkg and aptitude files didn't help but thats been fixed)
16:20<eligos>I need some help with coecs
16:20<eligos>codecs
16:20<eligos>does anyone know what repos I need so that movie player can automatically download any type of codec when needed by a file?
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16:23<ml|>eligos: on lenny? movie player, you mean mplayer?
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16:23<zem>i think totem does that by default
16:23<diego>Hi ... I just messed up video ... and after reinstalling lots of packages I could get vesa driver working ... but I want nvidia
16:23<diego>and cannot get it to work
16:24<diego>kernel 2.6.30
16:24<diego>any help ?
16:24<zem>but some of codecs aren't free
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16:25<zem>diego, i installed nvidia using module-assistant from sid reposos (but that was right after 2.6.30 update)
16:25<ml|>diego: on testing?
16:25<diego>Im using testing
16:26<diego>also... the scroll on my touch mouse stopped working (that is worst than vesa driver)
16:26<zem>(well... i guessed testing ^^)
16:26<ml|>diego: do you have unstable in your sources.list?
16:27<diego>module-assistant is installed
16:27<diego>no, I don't have unstable
16:27<ml|>diego: /msg dpkg tum
16:27<ml|>follow that carefully
16:28<chaoticmass>ok.. I feel so dumb now. localhost/myphpscript.php downloads the script. php5 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-cgi are installed, /etc/init.d/apache2 stop'ed and start'ed. Normally just apt-get install apache2 php5 results in a working apache2+php5 config but now something is missing and I don't know what. *bangs head against wall*
16:29<diego>so ... what do you suggest?
16:29<davi>Is there a tool similar to cdparanoia for DVDs?
16:29<zem>executable flag on php?
16:29<diego>install what from unstable ?
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16:29<ml|>diego: follow the debian wiki and when asked to install stuff install from unstable
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16:30<ml|>diego: /msg dpkg nvidia
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16:32<ml|>diego: but make sure you follow 'dpkg tum' very important
16:32<valdyn>davi: what would be the point of that?
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16:33<valdyn>davi: cdparanoia works with the way that cdaudio tracks are read by the cdroms firmware, it does not make sense for dvd
16:36<diego>/quiot
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16:37<chaoticmass>To ensure successfull php5 and apache2 installation and configuration, what installation procedure should I follow?
16:37<valdyn>chaoticmass: theres the readme in /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-php5
16:37<valdyn>!php
16:37<dpkg>PHP is a scripting language. To install, ask me about <install php>. See also <php5>, <php4 security>, <php wants me to download still>, <php mysql>, <xampp>, <phpmyadmin>, <php gd>. http://wiki.debian.org/PHP http://www.php.net/ #php on irc.oftc.net, #php and ##php on irc.freenode.net.
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16:38<seanius>chaoticmass: if i read the backlog correct it's working fine it's just firefox being dumb
16:38<seanius>try verifying with wget instead
16:39<valdyn>seanius: umm
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16:39<davi>valdyn, I have some DVDs with some insuperable errors and I would like make a copy of the current state before the dead completely. I know cdparanoia try a lot hard to recover sectors and if it fails it follow doing the copy anyway. k3b stop an even remove the partial ISO if it can not read some block.
16:40<valdyn>davi: thats ddrescue / gddrescue
16:40<davi>thanks valdyn
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16:42<abrotman>drakeman: figure it out ?
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16:42<drakeman>anyone else who uses gnome, and debian, can help me, and tell me the contents of ls -l /etc/alternatives/start*
16:43<drakeman>abrotman, no!
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16:43<abrotman>drakeman: does that file existon your system ?
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16:43<drakeman>abrotman, right now, i created the files, pointing to the correct path of the icons,
16:43<ml|>start-here.svg -> /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/places/debian-swirl.svg
16:44<drakeman>ml thanks,
16:44<zem>drakeman: http://debian.pastebin.com/m500423a4
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16:44<slush>drakeman: stable/testing/unstable?
16:45<drakeman>well, mi /etc/alternatives dir looks like this in this moment http://paste.debian.net/46450/
16:45<drakeman>slush, testing
16:45<ml|>drakeman: np, same for the rest but pointing to the size like ... start-here-32.png -> /usr/share/icons/gnome/32x32/places/debian-swirl.png
16:45<drakeman>now is fine, but when i ran again update-alternatives --config start-here.svg
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16:46<drakeman>it erases the files i make to fix the problem, and creates an invalid symlink like this
16:46<ml|>drakeman: just need to restore the default
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16:46<diego>hi , thx for helping ... I've already compiled nvidia driver for 2.6.30
16:47<diego>but my mouse still does not work correctly
16:47<diego>the scroll touch does not work :(
16:47<drakeman>now after run again the update alternatives messed up the files and look like this http://paste.debian.net/46451/
16:47<drakeman>now, i get again the error update-alternatives: error: unable to install /etc/alternatives/start-here.svg.dpkg-tmp as /etc/alternatives/start-here.svg: No such file or directory
16:47<diego>if I connect a usb mouse scroll will work
16:47<abrotman>wtf
16:48<diego>can you help with that touch scroll
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16:48<ml|>diego: so nvidia working now?
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16:48<drakeman>so, no matters how many times i make the links again, everytime i run the update-alternatives --config again for that option, it mess up my changes
16:49<diego>yes, nvidia works. .. compiz works
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16:49<ml|>!congratulate diego
16:49<dpkg>Woohoo diego, you did it!
16:49<diego>everything fine but the scroll feature in my touch mouse
16:49<diego>thx :)
16:49<diego>but I need that scrolling ... I use it much more than nvidia lol
16:49<ml|>i have no idea on that good luck
16:50<ml|>heh
16:50<zem>touch mouse?
16:50<diego>yes, its a laptop
16:50<ml|>track pad?
16:50<ml|>ah
16:51<diego>the mouse works fine ... the problem is that it should scroll when I touch it on the right
16:51<seanius>diego: have you tried something like gsynaptics?
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16:51<diego>no ... I can install that
16:51<diego>installed ... let me run that
16:52<diego>other would be to compare my xorg.conf file ... was changed by nvidia-xconfig
16:53<seanius>diego: my xorg.conf only has a dvice section for nvidia, nothing else
16:53<diego>it says scrolling is enabled (gsynaptics)
16:54<seanius>diego: what release are you runnign?
16:55<diego>you mean debian testing ?
16:55<diego>2.6.30 kernel ?
16:55<diego>Linux gdiego 2.6.30-1-686 #1 SMP Sat Aug 15 19:11:58 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
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16:55<ml|>diego: yes your release is testing
16:55<fisxoj>is there a way to install a .bin file in fakeroot and make it into a deb?
16:55<fisxoj>I don't need it to pass lintian, I just want to install cleanly
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16:56<drakeman>any ideas? in how to fix that pleasee!
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16:57<diego>scroll will work on a USB mouse ... that is the weird part
16:57<diego>it just wont work on the touch
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16:58<fisxoj_>sorry, lost connection
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16:58<seanius>diego: it's probably a synaptics/xorg thing
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16:59<diego>yeah ... it was working before my mad update today lol
16:59<diego>that broke all video lol
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16:59<ml|>diego: that may be new xorg
16:59<drakeman>abrotman, any idea?
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17:00<seanius>diego: can you post your xorg.log to a pastebin?
17:00<ml|>diego: nvidia was a new kernel most likely
17:00<diego>you mean xorg.conf ?
17:00<diego>sure ... let me copy to pastebin
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17:01<abrotman>drakeman: i thought you fixed it!
17:01<seanius>diego: no, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
17:01<drakeman>abrotman, nop, when i run again the command to update the alternative, the script creates an invalid symbolic link again and doesnt work
17:01<diego>http://pastebin.com/d32a62c39 ... ohhh, here is xorg.conf
17:01<diego>let me copy the log
17:01<abrotman>drakeman: paste the command you're using, and the full error
17:01<ml|>drakeman: update-alternatives --config start-here.svg and select the default
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17:02<ml|>that should fix it
17:02<diego>http://pastebin.com/df5206ad here is the log
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17:03<zem>what is current lenny kernel wersion?
17:03<ml|>zem: /msg judd kernel
17:03<drakeman>abrotman, ml| i thing this explain everything http://paste.debian.net/46453/
17:03<diego>seanius: any clue :)
17:04<drakeman>i make the links, then, i try to set the alternative, then it removes my symlinks and creates another broken symlink and i get the error again
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17:05<abrotman>drakeman: what if you pick 1 ?
17:05<drakeman>abrotman, the same thing.
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17:06<drakeman>abrotman, t he same --> update-alternatives: error: unable to install /etc/alternatives/start-here.svg.dpkg-tmp as /etc/alternatives/start-here.svg: No such file or directory error
17:06<ml|>drakeman: hmm, was going to suggest the same as abrotman
17:06<abrotman>drakeman: is your / somehow read-only ?
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17:06<drakeman>abrotman, nop,
17:06<drakeman>the other options for update-alternatives works fine
17:06<seanius>diego: try removing the synaptics stuff from your xorg.conf?
17:07<ml|>drakeman: it seems when you tried that stuff before you mess it up ;(
17:07<drakeman>abrotman, ml| even using galternatives (gui for update alternaties) it show me the options, but dont let me chooose a specfic one
17:08<abrotman>drakeman: what is in the file /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/start-here.svg ?
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17:08<drakeman>ml|, i thing it messed up when i run the command sudo update-alternatives --install /etc/alernatives/start-here.svg start-here.svg /usr/share/icon/gnome/scalable/places/thundercats.png 30
17:08<drakeman>to install a new opcion.
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17:08<johnfg>hi guys
17:09<drakeman>abrotman, ---->
17:09<abrotman><----
17:09<ml|>drakeman: *think? and seems do hehe
17:09<drakeman>abrotman, ----> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1234 2009-09-13 16:05 start-here.svg
17:09<diego>let me try
17:09<abrotman>drakeman: i wanted to know what was *in* the file
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17:11<drakeman>abrotman, is and image file, that cannot be opened, not like the other options inside that folder, tha have options, the start-here.svg seems to be an image, but it cant be open as an image either
17:12<abrotman>it is not an image file
17:12<ml|>drakeman: mine ... http://pastebin.com/f6ba6991e
17:12<ml|>which is default
17:12<drakeman>ml|, can i recreate that file and replace mine?
17:12<abrotman>http://paste.debian.net/46454/
17:13<diego>mmm ... its not working ... ( I mean , it works the same way)
17:13<johnfg>Just installed wordpress, went to edit wp-config.php, and it's got a line saying,
17:14<johnfg>Please do NOT edit and read about how the configuration works in the README.Debian
17:14<drakeman>abrotman, ml| sorry i was doing wrong, mine is this ----> http://paste.debian.net/46455/
17:14<abrotman>right ...
17:14<ml|>drakeman: i don't know, but can't hurt to try i guess since it's messed up atm
17:14<abrotman>make a backup first
17:15<diego>so ... I just noticed it wont work clicking with the pad too
17:15<abrotman>johnfg: okay .. so did you read it ?
17:15<johnfg>Well, that's the file I'd normally put my db, username, passwd, etc. So is anyone using this and know what gives?
17:15<diego>which worked earlier :(
17:15<ml|>yes of course back it up
17:15<johnfg>abrotman, What, the README.Debian? Nope.
17:16<abrotman>why not?
17:16<zem>johnfg: have you red README.debian?
17:16<seanius>diego: can you post the new xorg conf/log?
17:16<drakeman>ml|, abrotman if i change the file, then i get anorher error ---> update-alternatives: error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/start-here.svg corrupt: invalid status
17:16<johnfg>I will, but why say not to read it in the config file? Strange, eh?
17:16<ml|>drakeman: how did you try?
17:17<zem>johnfg: it says not to edit the config and read the README.debian
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17:18<drakeman>ml|, i just copy and paste your file inside mine
17:18<johnfg>Ok, I got that, but the NOT makes it very unclear.
17:19<ml|>drakeman: replace the contents and saved it you mean?
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17:19<abrotman>johnfg: you're saying it should say more like "Do NOT edit this file. Go read the README.Debian to understand how configuration works" ?
17:19<ml|>drakeman: i hope you backed up yours first
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17:20<zem>johnfg: write a bug report i guess ^^
17:20<drakeman>yes
17:20<drakeman>ml|, backed it up
17:20<zem>and it is a bit unclear indeed
17:20<ml|>drakeman: and the other question?
17:21<drakeman>ml|, if i save the file' yes
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17:22<ml|>drakeman: and ran update-alternatives --config start-here.svg and got that error?
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17:22<drakeman>ml|, yes
17:22<drakeman>ml|, and if it ry to modify my old file i get update-alternatives: error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/start-here.svg corrupt: duplicate slave
17:23<ml|>drakeman: ok, no idea then sorry
17:23<drakeman>:(
17:24<zem>install disc is looking at you this very moment ^^
17:24<ml|>drakeman: there is a way to change the icon without messing with the alternative system, iirc from my gnome days
17:25<drakeman>ml|, didnt found it yet
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17:25<ml|>drakeman: but it would nice to fix your current issue
17:25<abrotman>he could just force it with ln
17:26<drakeman>abrotman, force it ? how?
17:26<ml|>yes, thought on that, but would that make things worse?
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17:27<ml|>maybe restore the links and /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/start-here.svg might work
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17:29<drakeman>ml|, restore the links to the originals, and copy and paste your file?
17:29<ml|>yes, but dunno what that will or even work
17:29<ml|>*do
17:30<ml|>might make thing worse
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17:33<drakeman>ml|, i give up :D hahaa
17:33<drakeman>debian should remove the update-alternatives script hehe
17:34<Hideo>drakeman: so it didn't work for you?
17:34<ml|>no, heh
17:34<diego>wait ... I just enabled tapping ... Option "TapButtonX" "X" for X in (1,3)
17:34<diego>I bet scrolling is another option lol
17:34<drakeman>Hideo, no, i try8int to fix it since 11.58am now is 4.34pm here
17:34<Hideo>drakeman: do I get cake if I can fix your alternative links problems?
17:34<drakeman>and nothing :(
17:34<Hideo>drakeman: I want cake!
17:34<drakeman>!cake Hideo?
17:34<drakeman>jajaa
17:35<ml|>drakeman: yeah Hideo broke his once he might know ;P
17:35<drakeman>hahaha
17:35<drakeman>Hideo, dpkg doesnt have cakes
17:35<drakeman>:(
17:35<drakeman>!cake Hideo
17:35<ml|>drakeman: !food
17:35<drakeman>!food Hideo
17:35<Hideo>drakeman: one sec, let me pastebin it
17:35<ml|>errr feed
17:35<drakeman>Hideo, ok.!
17:36<drakeman>!feed Hideo
17:36*dpkg feeds Hideo to the crocs.
17:36<drakeman>xD
17:36<Hideo>drakeman: http://pastebin.com/f4944ae87
17:36<ml|>hehe :)
17:37<ml|>Hideo: that's a mouthful
17:37<Hideo>yes, I even tested on my machine, it worked
17:38<diego>ohhhh yeah!
17:38<ml|>hmm, it has a dry-run option i don't see that in the manpage?
17:38<diego>Option "VertEdgeScroll" "1"
17:38<diego>seem it was disabled by default from upstream!!!
17:38<drakeman>Hideo, i restore my old var/lib/dpkg/start-svg file, now doesnt work.
17:38<diego>thx guys!
17:38<drakeman>when i run the first command i get
17:38<diego>bye!
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17:39<drakeman>Hideo ------ _>update-alternatives: error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/start-here.svg corrupt: duplicate slave
17:39<Hideo>drakeman: try removing /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/start-here.svg
17:40<Hideo>and redo everything
17:40<drakeman>Hideo, ok, i delete the file, now i have to start typing the commands you gave me?
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17:41<Hideo>drakeman: uh, safer yet, copy and paste
17:41<ml|>copy and paste ftw
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17:42<Hideo>fyi, when I tested it here, I did remove my /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/start-here.svg and everything worked
17:42<Hideo>I then compared my new /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/start-here.svg with the backed up one, and it's the same line for line
17:42<ml|>Hideo: nice of you to risk your system
17:43<Hideo>ml|: I messed it up once before, and I know it now, so I'm not afraid =P
17:43<ml|>haha, yes i know
17:44<drakeman>update-alternatives: warning: forcing reinstallation of alternative /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/places/debian-swirl.svg because link group start-here.svg is broken
17:44<Hideo>drakeman: which step is that?
17:45<drakeman>Hideo, i get the same error with the first paste, and second too.
17:45<Hideo>drakeman: can you trying ignoring it for now and do all of them, then go back and try update-alternatives --config start-here.svg ?
17:46<drakeman>Hideo, ok, let me try it.
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17:54<Hideo>drakeman: well?
17:54<drakeman>Hideo, wow
17:54<drakeman>hehehe
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17:54<Hideo>worked?
17:54<drakeman>Hideo, it works! im just getting a warning
17:54<drakeman>but its working now
17:54<Hideo>where's my beer?
17:54<drakeman>!beer Hideo
17:54*dpkg pulls out an exquisite Franziskaner Hefeweizen for Hideo
17:54<drakeman>:D
17:54<Hideo>=D
17:54<drakeman>can you give me the source? to understand the f* alternatives system?
17:54<drakeman>jajaja
17:55<Hideo>drakeman: I just used update-alternatives --help
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17:55<Hideo>drakeman: what's misleading is the middle part, where's there are examples (e.g) section
17:56<drakeman>Hideo, ohhh, i read that, but cant understand it yet hehehe
17:56<johnfg>where is apache's config file? The httpd.conf is empty, so obviously it's using something else.
17:56<johnfg>btw...for debian lenny.
17:57<ml|>yes, manpage for update-alternatives could be so much better
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17:58<Hideo>ml|: yep, the example section of manpage for update-alternatives didn't cover the case where you want to install your own alternatives
17:58<ml|>Hideo: volunteering? ;)
17:58<Hideo>nope!
17:58<ml|>aww ;(
17:58<drakeman>;(
17:59<drakeman>anyone has to rewrite that man file :D
17:59<Hideo>I think, in this case, --help was more helpful than manpage
18:00<valdyn>johnfg: /etc/apache2/sites-available
18:01<valdyn>johnfg: obviously in conf.d too, you should however read the documentation
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18:02<johnfg>valdyn, OK, I'm coming from Fedora, so am not used to the debian way of configuring apache. It's a bit different.
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18:03<johnfg>valdyn, And thanks!
18:03<ml|>how do people in testing like the new xorg and all the stuff it depends on now?
18:03<huba3600>Hi.
18:03<Xenguy>johnfg: we all came from RH at one time or another :-)
18:04<drakeman>thanks Hideo, ml| , abrotman for the help :D
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18:04<ml|>drakeman: really Hideo only ;)
18:04<abrotman>ml|: all the bits aren't there yet ?
18:04<abrotman>Xenguy: i didn't ...
18:04<Hideo>not a prob drakeman
18:04<drakeman>xD
18:04<Xenguy>abrotman: discuss ;-)
18:05<ml|>abrotman: yes
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18:05<zem>hmmm... lol... my updatemanager is broken...
18:05<huba3600>I get mount: unknown filesystem type 'linux_raid_member' when trying to mount my /home. WHat happened is I removed 2 partitions. Looks like something remained from my old raid1. It is ext4 but it is seen as raid member. What to do?
18:05<ml|>ne stuff
18:05<ml|>*new stuff
18:05<abrotman>Xenguy: tried to install RH, it failed, Debian worked, yay!
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18:05<abrotman>Xenguy: this was a long time ago :)
18:05<ml|>heh
18:05<Xenguy>abrotman: haha, most excellent
18:06<Hideo>haha abrotman is the reversed-troll =P
18:06<Xenguy>I had to experience RH (which was fine except for rpm-hell at the time), before I found the solution (debian :-)
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18:07<zem>i used mandrake before debian, never succeeded at installing suse
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18:10<abrotman>drakeman: what about the man page doesn't make sense?
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18:11<urbinek>hi! how is called dummy package with linux heades ?
18:11<drakeman>abrotman, doesnt have enough examples
18:12<valdyn>urbinek: its not a dummy package if it has linux headers
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18:12<Xenguy>.oO(mmmmm, indian food = bragging rights :-)
18:13<urbinek>valdyn: i mean package with deepness for lates headers
18:13<ml|>so how do people in testing like the new xorg and all the new stuff it depends on now?
18:13<urbinek>latest *
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18:13<abrotman>ml|: all the bits aren't there yet ?
18:14<zem>urbinek: linux-headers-2.6-686
18:14<zem>urbinek: or whatever you use
18:16<ml|>abrotman: huh? that's whay i mean like ... http://pastebin.com/m5ab57645 that stuff i don't need or want but i'm forced to use them now
18:16<urbinek>zem arigatou
18:16<johnfg>is there a way to upgrade from lenny to testing?
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18:17<zem>johnfg: there is
18:17<zem>dpkg should know
18:17<dpkg>zem: I don't know, could you explain it?
18:17<FoxM>Hi. How do I know if the radeon or the radeonhd driver will be loaded ? The debian wiki only mentions the "ati" driver in xorg.conf
18:17<abrotman>!tell johnfg about lenny->sqleeze
18:17<abrotman>!tell johnfg about lenny->squeeze
18:18<johnfg>abrotman, Would you concur to wait a while as dpkg suggests?
18:18<huba3600>hi. I need some help. I accidentaly removed one of the 2 partitions of a raid1. I did not know actually it was still part of a raid. Now I can't mount /dev/sda9. mdadm shows this: http://pastebin.com/de1cca58 . Can somebody help?
18:19<huba3600>How to mount back /dev/sda9 to /home?
18:19<abrotman>johnfg: i wouldn't do it today .. seems like a new xorg is half in
18:19<paveq>huba3600: you can mount /dev/md0, for raid
18:20<paveq>huba3600: your raid device is still there, although raid is not really functioning
18:20<huba3600>mount /dev/md0 /x gives me this : XT4-fs (md0): bad geometry: block count 1933312 exceeds size of device (487936 blocks) .
18:20<huba3600>EXT4-fs
18:20<paveq>huba3600: you can add a partition to that, and it will sync
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18:20<paveq>well no idea about that
18:21<huba3600>thanks paveq. I could try readding the partition yes
18:21<paveq>it should work
18:21<paveq>is you had a filesystem on md0
18:21<paveq>and no lvm there
18:21<paveq>if you have lvm, check out /dev/mapper/
18:21<johnfg>Is there a good howto for compiling the fglrx kernel module?
18:22<abrotman>!tell johnfg about fglrx
18:22<huba3600>yes; ext4. No lvm. I just did some tries with raid1 a year ago. did not know it was still in a raid..
18:22<paveq>haven't used ext4
18:24<ml|>abrotman: regardless whether it's all there or not new xorg installs a lot of cruft, which sucks, trying to get others input that are on testing
18:24<huba3600>Hum.. I'll try recreating the 2 old partitions where there are holes. One of the 2 should be the one
18:24<chiku01>hey nfs-utils package not exists any more?
18:24<abrotman>ml|: use -R ?
18:24<paveq>huba3600: did you just remove the partition without degrading the array first?
18:25<ml|>abrotman: you can't
18:25<paveq>could be fucked up then
18:25<zem>ml|: i install anything on upgrades, so i guess i'll install that too, just don't understand why all the ati, voodoo and other stuff for everyone
18:25<abrotman>you can't?
18:25<ml|>zem: right
18:25<huba3600>paveq: I went into fdisk and delete 2 partitions
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18:25<ml|>zem: for me is ati
18:25<Hideo>abrotman: hal, console-setup, consolekit and policykit are now REQUIREMENTS
18:25<zem>ml|: for me nvidia, but you'll get nvidia and voodoo anyway :)
18:26<abrotman>Hideo: okay .. and ?
18:26<paveq>huba3600: no idea then
18:26<Hideo>used to be RECOMMENDS
18:26<abrotman>okay .. and?
18:26<Hideo>well I don't want hal et. als
18:27<ml|>abrotman: i guess you don't care, so let testing users voice thier opinions
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18:27<themill>Hideo: then rewrite the sections of xorg that use them and convince x.org to accept your patches.
18:28<abrotman>ml|: this machine i'm on now uses testing .. but also runs gnome .. so i had hal installed ages ago
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18:28<abrotman>ml|: if you don't want to fix the code, you don't get much of a choice do you?
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18:29<zem>hmmm... what's the point of recommends anyway? anywhere i can learn about that stuff? have turned it on (by default) should i turn that off?
18:29<ml|>abrotman: yes, i'm talking about people like me that don't use that and if i could i would, again i'm asking for testing users for thier opinions, i know yours now
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18:30<abrotman>ml|: no, you don't
18:30<ml|>abrotman: ok, will still ask others thanks
18:30<abrotman>ml|: i'm not willing to rewrite xorg or gnome .. so if they ask for hal, i have to suck it up and take it
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18:30<themill>zem: recommended packages should be installed on all machines except in quite unusual situations.
18:30<abrotman>so if you want xorg .. you get the same
18:31<ml|>abrotman: that's the point i don use gnome
18:31<abrotman>but you do use xorg .. enjoy hal!
18:31<ml|>abrotman: :P
18:31<Hideo>abrotman: do you know of alternatives to xorg that don't suck? =P I've tried to look
18:31<huba3600>paveq, ok thanks. I've now readded old /dev/sda10. /proc/mdstat said recovery... let's see. At least it's not touching /dev/sda9. good. I'm sure all the datas are there only the header or something is still raid should be ext4
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18:31<johnfg>abrotman, Almost done with the fglrx kernel. Thanks man, will be finishing from the console in a bit.
18:31<abrotman>Hideo: there aren't
18:32<abrotman>Hideo: well .. you could try XFree .. but i haven't tried it since the license change
18:32<huba3600>arg still bad geometry
18:32<abrotman>and it probably wants hal too
18:32<Hideo>yes, I found the other day that xfree86 is still alive, but meh
18:32<abrotman>and fresco sucks/is dead
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18:32<ml|>it's not just hal btw
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18:32<ml|>atleast here
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18:32<paveq>huba3600: yep, somehow you managed to corrupt the raid
18:33<paveq>huba3600: try running fsck on it... although it could make things worse
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18:33<abrotman>ml|: i realize that .. but the same argument still stands
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18:34<ml|>abrotman: yes, but still sucks imho
18:34<abrotman>ml|: i'm sure they're waiting for your patches
18:35<ml|>abrotman: do you understand i was not forced to use that stuff before and now i'm
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18:35<abrotman>yep ..
18:35<themill>ml|: you're not forced to at all. You can choose not to upgrade.
18:36<zem>well... not realy... don't upgrade ;)
18:36<ml|>wow, nice solution thanks
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18:36<slush>indeed
18:36<themill>These new dependencies also then allow you to plug in a different mouse or graphics tablet and have it work without having to hack at your xorg.conf log out and then log back in. Sounds like a fantastic improvement to me.
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18:36<abrotman>ml|: you make jokes .. but there are lots of people trying to figure out how to keep kde3 in newer versions of debian
18:37-!-mode/#debian [+l 385] by debhelper
18:37<testme_>wtf
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18:37<ml|>themill: yes, but for others like me that don't use any of that, why force it on us?
18:37<themill>ml|: no-one's forcing you to do anything. If you don't like the new xorg, don't run it. If the current version does what you want. Stay with it. Or install windows, etc
18:37<zem>ml|: it's the path of progress
18:37<abrotman>ml|: why does your kernel have support for tape drives? you don't use that
18:38<Hideo>themill: until somehow hal hits a bug and fail to start, then you have no keyboard or mouse, can't even switch to tty or sysrq
18:38<ml|>haha, ok thanks
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18:38<Hideo>wow, bunch of torlies
18:38<themill>Hideo: that's no different to any bug anywhere else in the stack (kernel, udev, gdm, xorg, ....)
18:39-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
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18:39<Hideo>themill: just trying to say, seems to even out your fantastic improvement
18:39-!-user is now known as Guest2355
18:39<themill>Hideo: it's software. It can have bugs. Newsflash!
18:40<themill>Fix them so that it doesn't.... patches gladly accepted.
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18:44<Guest2355>gunzip.c:12:18: error: zlib.h: No such file or directory
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18:45<Guest2355>what do I need for zlib.h?
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18:46<abrotman>!tell Guest2355 about apt-file
18:46<Nemoder>try apt-file search zlib.h
18:46<icebrain>hi, frequently my root fs is not being unmounted before shutdown, because it's in use. This causes it to have fs problems upon reboot (usually "Superblock time is in the future"). How can I detect the problem?
18:47<abrotman>sounds more like a battery problem
18:47<icebrain>abrotman: nope, it's running of AC adapter
18:47<icebrain>*off
18:47<abrotman>i meant the system battery
18:47<abrotman>like the CMOS battery
18:48<icebrain>why? the log clearly says the rootfs is in use, right before the shutdown....
18:48<icebrain>besides, the laptop is brand new
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18:54<johnfg>Everything compiles fine, but modprobe fglrx returns the error, cannot allocate memory.
18:54<johnfg>Is there a fix for this?
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18:54<cesurasean>"/etc/amanda/DailySet1/amanda.conf", line 480: dumptype parameter expected
18:54<cesurasean>anyone have a clue why I'm getting this error,
18:55<cesurasean>I'm following this tutorial, and I wasn't getting this error before.. http://www.howtoforge.com/disk_based_backups_amanda_debian_etch
18:55<icebrain>noone knows? How about modifying the rc scripts to bail to a shell if the rootfs can't be unmounted?
18:55<johnfg>what about the fglrx problem?
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18:56<huba3600>paveq, I did my backup with dd. Now fsck.. http://pastebin.com/d505d416c ahahh.
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18:58<paveq>huba3600: yeah, raid cannot save you from that kind of stuff, its designed to degrade the array when disk fails, but not for user modifying underlying block device
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18:58<paveq>huba3600: your best bet is backups
18:59<huba3600>paveq: rrrriight :)
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18:59<huba3600>paveq: I think I'll use some forensics tools to grep the data. I don't do backups for my laptop.
18:59<cesurasean>why does it says dumptype parameter expected in Amanda because I have a global variable?
19:00<cesurasean>I took that out, and it seems to be working now.
19:00<cesurasean>newer version of Amanda, I'm guessing?
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19:01<cesurasean>anyone using amanda-server on Lenny?
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19:08<huba3600>paveq, sorry to bother again :) If I do a file -sL /dev/sda9 it tells me ext4 and even sees the label. But mounting says mount: unknown filesystem type 'linux_raid_member. There's no way to put back a "ext4 structure" without touching the data?
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19:09<huba3600>ahhhhh was soo easy dumb me. mount -t ext4 /dev/sda9 /x
19:09<paveq>huba3600: try running cfdisk, and changing volume id :)
19:10<paveq>its probably now "linux raid autodetect", FD
19:10<huba3600>-t ext4 was needed
19:10<paveq>great
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19:10<paveq>so data was not greatly managed afterall?
19:10<paveq>*damaged
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19:11<huba3600>nothing at all as I did not do anything to the partition. Actually the mdadm to readd /dev/sda10 was dangerous. I'm not sure if really this was a raid in fact lol. Something strange here..
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19:13<johnfg>Sorry I had to reboot, and am now only on the console.
19:14<johnfg>Any idea why I'm getting the "cannot allocate memory" when I run modprobe fglrx?
19:14<zem>johnfg: change driver in xorg.conf to whatever it was by default to get X if you need it
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19:15<johnfg>Right, I can do that, but is the fglrx then just not going to work for me?
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19:16<abrotman>does your card actually need fglrx ?
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19:17<johnfg>zem: All the xorg.conf says now under Section "Device" is
19:17<huba3600>anyway.. time to go to bed. thanks paveq
19:17<johnfg>Identifier configured video device.
19:17<abrotman>johnfg: which card do you have?
19:17<johnfg>zem: Define need. No, not if I don't want desktop effects and 3d.
19:18<zem>johnfg: it's just to get the X so you can browse for solution/do whatever you want to
19:18<abrotman>johnfg: i was the one that asked
19:18<johnfg>I have a ati mobility radeon 9100 IGP.
19:18<johnfg>abrotman: Sorry.
19:18<abrotman>eh isn't that kind of old ?
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19:18<abrotman>are you sure the fglrx even supports that anymore ?
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19:19<johnfg>Yup, but it said it was still supported when I looked at the fglrx page.
19:19<johnfg>abrotman: At least I thought it was.
19:19<abrotman>which page? on amd.com? or debian.org?
19:19<user_>hi every body
19:19<johnfg>I think it was at debian.org, but I'm at the console and can't be positive.
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19:20<johnfg>If I want to go back to radeon and drm, what do I put in xorg.conf?
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19:20<abrotman>probably just mv your /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.johnfg
19:21<johnfg>And let the system build a new one?
19:21<abrotman>it really won't .. but it should be able to figure out the best driver to use
19:22<johnfg>OK, I'll try that. Is there a way to uninstall the fglrx kernel package?
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19:22<abrotman>i have no idea how you installed it
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19:23<johnfg>I installed it with: m-a a-i fglrx
19:23<johnfg>Can I reverse that?
19:25<themill>johnfg: "aptitude remove ~nfglrx~i" will remove all packages with "fglrx" in the name. Change remove to search to check that the list looks ok first...
19:25<johnfg>themill: That will remove the kernel pkgs, too?
19:26<themill>it will remove the package with the fglrx kernel module, yes.
19:26<zem>m-a has some option to remove what was installed with it afaik
19:27<themill>istr the most important package to remove is fglrx-glx
19:27<johnfg>Because I'm using irssi with screen, you do show a ~, tilde, before nfglrx and a ~,tilde after, then i, correct?
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19:29<themill>yep that's right. That's aptitude's search syntax ~n means package names, ~i means installed. /msg dpkg aptitude search
19:30<johnfg>OK, so what does the A before the package name mean?
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19:30<themill>Automatically installed
19:31<johnfg>So, I think the list looks ok, I'll go ahead with the remove.
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19:32<tuxcrafter>hi all
19:32<tuxcrafter>i got a new vpn setup
19:33<tuxcrafter>and i need to do some a auto dhcp in the network interface setup with tun0 comes up
19:33<tuxcrafter>how can i do this?
19:33<tuxcrafter>is this hot-plug or someting?
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19:34<tuxcrafter>it is not a usb device thou
19:34<tuxcrafter>it is a virtual tap device
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19:54<Guest2355>what package is that on ? !/usr/bin/expect
19:54<Guest2355>tried expect
19:54<Guest2355>lets see
19:54<themill>dpkg: tell Guest2355 about apt-file
19:55<Guest2355>themill, apt-file brought 669 lines, then I asked
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19:56<themill>(yes, the package name is just "expect")
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19:57<Guest2355>thanks
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19:57<Guest2355>it works now
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20:07<tuxcrafter>ps just ping me if somebody know an answer to my question
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20:10<goo|gooing>if i run a script is it possible to read what i write right after it
20:11<goo|gooing>like sh script _____
20:11<ichdasich>goo|gooing: $1
20:11<goo|gooing>$1?
20:11<ichdasich>.oO($2 $3 $4)
20:11<ichdasich>ich@tardis /tmp % cat foo.sh
20:11<ichdasich>#!/bin/sh
20:11<ichdasich>echo $1
20:12<ichdasich>ich@tardis /tmp % sh foo.sh foobar
20:12<ichdasich>foobar
20:12<goo|gooing>so $1 is the first argument or whatever after i run it
20:12<Pitxyoki>No.
20:12<Pitxyoki>$1 is the first argument, $2 is the second and so on.
20:13<Pitxyoki>$? is everything from the first argument on.
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20:14<goo|gooing>ok, thanks. i might be back in a minute, i gotta test this
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20:20<goo>argh, ok. so im trying to write a script that can compile and run a c++ program for me
20:21<goo>shouldn't g++ $1 - o $1 ./$1 work?
20:25<Pitxyoki>eek, no.
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20:25<goo>oh.
20:26<Pitxyoki>And look out, you don't want to put the output of the compilation to the same file where the source is at.
20:26<goo>so -o $1.out
20:26<Pitxyoki>Something like that.
20:26<goo> /crosses fingers
20:26<Pitxyoki>g++ $1 - o $1.out ; ./$1
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20:28<goo>well, it worked but i got a zillion errors before it
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20:28<goo>hehehe
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20:48<insigne>oie
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21:28<sdsdsd>guys, can i delete /var/log/account/pacct
21:28<sdsdsd>?
21:29<sdsdsd>its with about 500 MB, and i dont know what is it
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21:31<sdsdsd>its important? its a log? i cant find a thing on net about it
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21:35<abrotman>you could try to see what process is writing to it
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21:35<jpinx>sdsdsd: back it up before you delete it and see what breaks
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22:02<xkastx>this is the english irc?
22:02<abrotman>for debian support, yes
22:03<xkastx>oks
22:03<xkastx>i need help xD
22:03<xkastx>i was trying grub2
22:03<xkastx>but i dont like i want grub again
22:03<xkastx>xD
22:03<abrotman>so reinstall grub
22:04<xkastx>only that?
22:04<xkastx>uninstall grub2 and install grub !? ?
22:04<xkastx>only that
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22:08<xkastx>in lenny stable runs gfxgrubs!?
22:08<xkastx>oO?
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22:25<zareliman>hi
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22:28<zareliman>can someone help me with a glx issue ?
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22:28<abrotman>just ask your question
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22:28<zareliman>I tried to install fglrx drivers with the typical google guide
22:29<zareliman>with module assistant and stuff
22:29<zareliman>in my minimal sid install
22:29<zareliman>with gnome-core
22:29<zareliman>however
22:29<zareliman>when I run fglrxinfo
22:30-!-Z4s [~bl4ckc00k@21.Red-83-60-138.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:30<zareliman>I get zareliman@ZTYLO7:~$ fglrxinfo
22:30<zareliman>X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
22:30<zareliman> Major opcode of failed request: 157 (GLX)
22:30<zareliman> Minor opcode of failed request: 19 (X_GLXQueryServerString)
22:30<zareliman> Serial number of failed request: 15
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22:30<zareliman>sorry for flood
22:31<zareliman>well I get that message
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22:46<zareliman>is there an issue with fglrx and sid kernel ?
22:47-!-mib_neetwpgb [47ea636a@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #debian
22:49<mib_neetwpgb>Can anyone help me? I was wondering if Debian could do netinstall with a usb wireless adapater?
22:51<abrotman>depends on the adapter
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22:55<mib_neetwpgb>what about
22:55<mib_neetwpgb>a Dlink DWA 160
22:56<johnfg>Thanks for the help with getting rid of the fglrx stuff. Back to normal (without desktop effects or 3d :-()
22:57<johnfg>I get the error message from evolution when it comes up, that the default keyring is locked. I enter the password and it comes up, but where is is so I can unlock it?
22:57<johnfg>I don't have to do this on my other linux systems.
22:58<NiteSnow>ok then do what you did on the other linux systems :D apperently youve done something differnt
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22:58<GhostlyDeath>johnfg: It's locked because you gave it a password
22:58<GhostlyDeath>as in the password is not blank
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23:00<johnfg>GhostlyDeath, Why only in debian? Not in fedora or opensuse?
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23:01<johnfg>I actually restored from an evolution.tar.gz.
23:01<abrotman>mib_neetwpgb: i'd guess not .. i think it needs firmware
23:01<johnfg>NiteSnow, Right, but not specifically. It might be some kind of default configuration with evolution on debian.
23:02<GhostlyDeath>johnfg: Because you gave it a password?
23:02<mib_neetwpgb>abro how do i know what adapter can do it
23:02<NiteSnow>true
23:02<mib_neetwpgb>because i have an older lynksys one
23:02<GhostlyDeath>johnfg: When there is no default keyring, a dialog box should pop up
23:02<GhostlyDeath>johnfg: Asking for a password for the default keyring, if you just hit OK it will warn you but you may ignore it
23:03<GhostlyDeath>There will be no password set, hence you don't need a password to use the default keyring
23:03<mib_neetwpgb>oh and i also have a dlink dwa 142
23:03<GhostlyDeath>However, if you put in a password, you must supply that password
23:03<abrotman>mib_neetwpgb: never herad of that one
23:03<GhostlyDeath>johnfg: You would have to delete the keyrings
23:04<abrotman>mib_neetwpgb: you could boot the installer, it should tell you if detects a network device
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23:05<johnfg>GhostlyDeath, OK, I'll give that a try.
23:05<NiteSnow>mib_neetwpgb needs to be a fairly common adapter
23:06<abrotman>needs to not rely on firmware
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23:06<NiteSnow>mib_neetwpgb try looking for a list of wireless drives contained in the net install cd or get the correct linux drivers and put them on a flash drive formated fat16
23:07<k1lumin4t1>has anybody got Cedega 7 to work on debian squeeze?
23:07<mib_neetwpgb>that works?...because i tried doing that maybe it was because the flash drive was fat32
23:08<NiteSnow>yeh idk
23:08<NiteSnow>should work
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23:08<mib_neetwpgb>i bet my parents old wireless g adapter would work
23:09<NiteSnow>yeh try any realtek adapter it should work intel usualy dosent
23:09<NiteSnow>most generic cards use realtek
23:09<NiteSnow>realtek chipsets :D
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23:10<mib_neetwpgb>yeah @.@ rumor on the street is that my eee's wireless doesnt work with this kernel
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23:10<NiteSnow>wtf
23:10<mib_neetwpgb>also that 2.6.31 kernel would work
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23:10<NiteSnow>thats bs a kernel update shouldent mess with that
23:10<mib_neetwpgb>by the street i mean deb's wiki
23:10<NiteSnow>can you just connect it via eathernet ?
23:10<mib_neetwpgb>nopes
23:10<mib_neetwpgb>gimme a min
23:10<mib_neetwpgb>brb
23:10<NiteSnow>hmm werid
23:11<NiteSnow>k
23:11<NiteSnow>hb
23:11<mib_neetwpgb>found it
23:11<mib_neetwpgb>take a look
23:11<mib_neetwpgb>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Model/1005HA
23:12-!-mib_neetwpgb is now known as Drone
23:12<Drone>meant to fix that
23:12<NiteSnow>ty for making your nick shorter Drone som much easyer to type :D
23:12<GhostlyDeath>There's also #debianeeepc
23:13<GhostlyDeath>add a dash
23:13<Drone>lol
23:13<Drone>yeah went there
23:13<Drone>all were afk
23:13<GhostlyDeath>Trolls attacking my newly created channel
23:14<Drone>awww
23:14<NiteSnow>im not a troll damn you
23:14<Drone>i been at this for a few days
23:15<Drone>i have tried like everything
23:15<NiteSnow>Drone have you did everything discribed in the install wiki
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23:15<NiteSnow>done*
23:16<NiteSnow>are you on win or lin right now ???
23:16<Drone>i tried reg cd isos (made into Usb), LiveCD but had no installer, i even used vmware on another machine, installed deb on it and tried to use live magic (which kept giving me errors)
23:16<Drone>no im on an xp
23:16<Drone>i mean
23:16<Drone>7
23:16<NiteSnow>k
23:16<Drone>but i have an xp, slack, and debian vmware
23:16<NiteSnow>you have to use dd for win
23:17<Drone>dd?
23:17<NiteSnow>and install the .img file to the flash drive
23:17<NiteSnow>yeh
23:17<NiteSnow>you need ver 0.6
23:17<Drone>oh i used netbootin
23:17<NiteSnow>no
23:17<NiteSnow>it sucks
23:17<Drone>i agree
23:17<NiteSnow>always gives problems
23:17<Drone>same
23:17<Drone>brb lemme reread the instructions
23:18<Drone>and then make sure i got them right
23:18<Drone>trying to up dd?
23:18<NiteSnow>yeh
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23:19<Drone>ok
23:19<Drone>so it says to use the first cd in the standard set
23:19<Drone>so does it mean these?
23:20<Drone>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/multi-arch/iso-cd/
23:20<NiteSnow>no
23:20<NiteSnow>not those
23:20<Drone>then what
23:20<NiteSnow>i know how to do it
23:20<NiteSnow>just get that file i linked you to
23:20<NiteSnow>and put it in c:
23:20<NiteSnow>ill link you to another
23:21<Drone>wait wait
23:21<Drone>what file i am using mibbit in firefox
23:21<Drone>o
23:21<Drone>wait
23:21<Drone>found it
23:21<NiteSnow>k
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23:22<Drone>k its in c
23:23<NiteSnow>ok
23:23<NiteSnow>do you have both of the files
23:23<NiteSnow>?
23:24<Drone>yes
23:24<NiteSnow>ok
23:24<NiteSnow>open command prompt as admin and type cd\
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23:24<Drone>k
23:24<Drone>dd.exe?
23:25<NiteSnow>not yet
23:25<Drone>k
23:25<NiteSnow>do you have a flash drive pluged in
23:25<Drone>how big does it need to be i have a 1 and a 4
23:25<NiteSnow>just a 1
23:25<Drone>k
23:25<Drone>its in
23:25<Drone>format to 16 or 32
23:25<NiteSnow>16 will do
23:25<Drone>k hold on
23:26<Drone>done
23:26<NiteSnow>ok
23:26<NiteSnow>what is the flash drives letter
23:27<Drone>k
23:27<NiteSnow>now type this in command prompt dd if=debian-eeepc.img od=k:
23:27<Drone>before we go further, you know that this file wont recongize my ethernet or wifi right
23:28<Drone>if its a netinst
23:28<NiteSnow>this should work
23:29<Drone>ack
23:29<Drone>gimme a min
23:29<NiteSnow>k
23:29<Drone>grabbin my xp, 7 hates cmd
23:30<NiteSnow>lol
23:30<Drone>im running as admin and it says denied
23:30<NiteSnow>wtf
23:30<Drone>yep
23:30<NiteSnow>no you have to right click run as admin
23:30<NiteSnow>not sure if you did that
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23:30<Drone>did
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23:31<NiteSnow>hmm
23:31<Drone>1 min
23:31<NiteSnow>k
23:31<adb>!k
23:31<dpkg>It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer.
23:35<Drone>snow
23:35<Drone>its goin
23:36<Drone>btw im lvin and cming back on the xp like a milesec
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23:37<Drone>ok its done
23:37<NiteSnow>Oo
23:38<NiteSnow>pop it in the eee and boot from usb
23:38<Drone>k hold on
23:38<NiteSnow>k
23:39<NiteSnow>i will i need to mount my other hard drive in my server and set it up in /etc/fstab anyways
23:39<NiteSnow>gives me time
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23:40<Drone>ok
23:40<Drone>its loaded
23:40<Drone>it says Install, advanced and help
23:40<NiteSnow>install
23:41<Drone>ok its asking me my lang and kb
23:41<Drone>brb
23:41<Drone>detecting hardware
23:41<NiteSnow>k
23:41<Drone>no eth card detected if i know driver choose it from list
23:41<NiteSnow>Oo
23:42<NiteSnow>what drivers dose it give you
23:42<Drone>a lot
23:42<Drone>also at end is non of the above
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23:43<NiteSnow>what modle is your eee
23:43<Drone>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Model/1005HA
23:43<Drone>Asus eee 1005ha
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23:46<NiteSnow>look for Atheros AR8132
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23:47<Drone>nope
23:47<NiteSnow>hit none of the above
23:47<NiteSnow>should atleast list wifi
23:48<Drone>nope
23:48<NiteSnow>im reading up on it
23:48<Drone>gives me a red screen
23:48<Drone>and makes me go back to list
23:49<NiteSnow>http://vatzec.wordpress.com/2009/09/05/debian-on-asus-eee-pc-1005ha/
23:49<NiteSnow>thats what ive found
23:51<Drone>so...use these?
23:51<Drone>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/
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23:51<NiteSnow>apperently but do you have a cd drive ?
23:51<NiteSnow>for the eee
23:51<Drone>nopes
23:51<Drone>ee has no cd drive
23:52<NiteSnow>yeh i know
23:52<Drone>i can just dd it
23:52<NiteSnow>no
23:52<NiteSnow>you cant
23:52<NiteSnow>it needs to be a .img
23:52<Drone>orly?
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23:52<Drone>lol when i was waiting i was using a iso
23:52<Drone>and it dd'ed fine
23:52<NiteSnow>:O
23:52<NiteSnow>did it boot
23:53<Drone>idk
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23:53<Drone>but im using
23:53<xkastx>=(
23:53<Drone>a reg iso
23:53<Drone>not a testing
23:53<Drone>so let me try it
23:53*xkastx hi everyone
23:53<NiteSnow>appernly testing has the drivers
23:53<xkastx>someone can help me?
23:54*NiteSnow pisses on they floor and yells at xkastx to come over here
23:54<kop>:-( I just found out that turning off write buffering has no effect on ext3 fss when you're using lvm.
23:54<NiteSnow>whats your problem or
23:54<kop>!ask
23:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
23:54<Drone>so yeah
23:54<Drone>it boots
23:54<NiteSnow>no way :O
23:54<xkastx>i install grub2 and i want old config
23:54<xkastx>T-T
23:54<Drone>well its booting
23:55<Drone>i guess it didnt
23:55<NiteSnow>good good
23:55<xkastx>i reinstall grub but is using new configs
23:55<NiteSnow>is it stable or testing
23:55<Drone>loaded up slak instead
23:55<xkastx>me?
23:55<Drone>so i thought it was doing my usb
23:55<xkastx>stable
23:56<NiteSnow>no not you
23:56<xkastx>xD
23:56<Drone>stable
23:56<Drone>lol
23:56<Drone>ill use a testing
23:56<Drone>like he said
23:56<Drone>and cant i just rename the iso to img
23:56<Drone>right
23:56<NiteSnow> um no
23:56<NiteSnow>just try to dd the iso
23:57<NiteSnow>it dosent mater the name it maters the format if that makes scence
23:57<Drone>kk 1 min
23:57<NiteSnow>kk
23:57<NiteSnow>i need to install av so i need to dc
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23:58<xkastx>who knows how to downgrade grub?
23:58<xkastx>i need help in that
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23:58<kop>xkastx: You might try zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz
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23:59<kop>xkastx: It says how to re-generate a menu.lst file from scratch. Otherwise, if you've done something special then you need to go back to your backups. That's my guess.
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23:59<xkastx>i did this
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