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00:51<xmelvinx>hi everyone
00:51<xmelvinx>!!
00:51<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
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00:53<xmelvinx>someone have hear about gfxboot?
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00:54<xmelvinx>i wanna know if still works in lenny!!!
00:55<xmelvinx>someone knows about that!?
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01:03<mister>hello, i am a newbie, can i ask for some help here?
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01:05<mister>i thing this is not a big problem, but i cannot solve it by myself.
01:05<gsimmons>mister: Just go ahead and describe your problem.
01:06<mister>i've installed a stable Debian release using debian-503-i386-netinst.iso on my msi wind netbook
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01:06<mister>installation completed
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01:06<mister>but the system does not loading after restart
01:07<mister>it says "error loading operation system"
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01:08<mister>this is a second OS on the netbool
01:08<mister>first is xp, where i am now
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01:09<Tanathos>Hola
01:09<mister>how can i make the loader work?
01:09<mister>hello)
01:10<Tanathos>manager that??
01:11<mister>partitions are: fat32; ext3; swap; extended (fat32)
01:11<mister>i think grub
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01:12<mister>it was an automated installation
01:12<Tanathos>
01:12<Tanathos>need to install linux partitions?
01:12<mister>no, they are already created
01:12<mister>i need to boot debian,- it doesnt load after a successful instalation
01:13<Tanathos>
01:13<Tanathos>sorry you do not understand that problem
01:13<Tanathos>haaa
01:13<Tanathos>ok
01:14<Tanathos>ou have installed another operating system
01:14<Tanathos>you have installed another operating system
01:14<mister>i've installed a stable Debian release using debian-503-i386-netinst.iso on my msi wind netbook, installation finished successfully. But the system does not loading after restart: "error loading operation system"
01:15<d3co>!bye
01:15<dpkg>Cya, d3co
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01:15<mister>yes, i had only xp. now i have xp and debian which does not load
01:16<Tanathos>how are you doing the boot loader configuration
01:16<Tanathos>with LILO
01:17<mister>i did not configure it. the installation did not ask me about it
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01:18<jm_>if it's lenny it should be grub, not lilo
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01:18<mister>as debian does not load i used a flash to boot and to switch to winxp partition
01:19<mister>yes, i expected grub manager
01:19<jm_>I joined later - what are the symptoms?
01:20<Tanathos>
01:20<Tanathos>usually you need to configure the boot loader is lilo group or
01:20<mister>i've installed a stable Debian release using debian-503-i386-netinst.iso on my msi wind netbook, installation finished successfully. But the system does not loading after restart: "error loading operation system"...... Seems i have to install grub somehow, right?
01:22<mister>yes, but i thought the installation will ask me to configure it.. but it didnt ask me..
01:23<mister>it was an automated installation
01:23<jm_>error loading operating system is a BIOS message
01:23<jm_>check if your partitions are marked active to start with, also check where GRUB is installed - MBR or the debian partition
01:23<Tanathos>if you are right for the new debian DepNet.com for this step is automatic
01:24<Tanathos>
01:24<Tanathos>usually have problem if you first install debian and then another operating system
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01:25<mister>i am sure that the partition was active. so i try to find how to check if grub is installed
01:25<Tanathos>v
01:25<mister>no, Tanathos, this is another case.
01:25<mister>first xp, then - debian
01:25<Tanathos>as you see the menu.lst
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01:27<Tanathos>esto lo sabes si puedes ver el directorio /boot/grub
01:27<Tanathos>
01:27<Tanathos>know that if you can see the / boot / grub
01:27<jm_>dd if=/dev/... count=1 | strings
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01:29<mister>i've opened the ext3 partition with "R-linux".. the "boot" folder is empty
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01:31<Tanathos>There should be the group directory if there is not can not load the operating system
01:31<Tanathos>
01:31<Tanathos>you should have something
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01:31<Tanathos>/boot/grub
01:32<mister>only /boot/
01:32<mister>should i install grub?
01:32<jm_>did you create a separate /boot partition?
01:32<Tanathos>
01:32<Tanathos>in this directory and the configuration of your OS boot
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01:32<mister>no, i did not
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01:32<mister>as i remember there were ext3 with "b /" flag
01:33<jm_>then by all means reinstall grub
01:33<jm_>!fixmbr
01:33<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode> and <dual boot guide>.
01:33<mister>ok, i'll try. thank you!
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02:22<smhar>what is the ssh command to achieve tunneling between my computer and a host computer inorder to be able to browse the internet using the remote computer's ports
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02:25<jm_>smhar: openssh supports socks proxying, modern browsers also support this, this is probably the easiest option to use
02:25<jm_>-D option
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02:27<smhar>jm_ you remember the command line?
02:27<zem>Upgrading may require removal or installation of new packages. Do you want to perform a safe-upgrade, which does neither remove packages nor install new ones?
02:27<zem>um... do i?
02:28<zem>i always expected my os to know the answer when such questions arise...
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02:29<jm_>smhar: http://embraceubuntu.com/2006/12/08/ssh-tunnel-socks-proxy-forwarding-secure-browsing/
02:30<smhar>thanks
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02:36<Yoda-BZH`Wk>salut/hi
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02:48<V4HID>Hello
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02:49<V4HID>Good evening
02:49<V4HID>i have a problem
02:49<V4HID>who can help me?
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02:49<zem>!ask
02:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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02:51<V4HID>ok yes
02:51<V4HID>i want install libc6_2.9-26_i386.deb
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02:52<V4HID>soo i should install libc-bin_2.9-26_i386.deb at first
02:52<V4HID>when i want install this
02:52<V4HID>give a error
02:53<V4HID>error is :
02:53<V4HID>root@box:/media/hdb9/debs# dpkg -i libc-bin_2.9-26_i386.deb
02:53<V4HID>dpkg: regarding libc-bin_2.9-26_i386.deb containing libc-bin:
02:53<V4HID> libc-bin breaks libc6 (<< 2.9)
02:53<V4HID> libc6 (version 2.7-6) is installed.
02:53<V4HID>dpkg: error processing libc-bin_2.9-26_i386.deb (--install):
02:53<dpkg>V4HID: wish i knew
02:53-!-V4HID was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
02:53<dpkg>v4hid: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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02:53<jm_>do not install libc from sid on lenny
02:53<jm_>doh he's not here
02:53<zem>o don't think he's here
02:53<zem>:)
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02:54<zem>he'll be back wiht "my system is broken" :)
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02:54<zem>he's back
02:54<V4HID>my linux is Knoppix
02:54<jm_>!knoppix
02:54<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
02:55<jm_>and in any case, don't upgrade libc6 manually like that
02:55<V4HID>ohh
02:55<V4HID>ok thank you
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02:57<KingKong2009>hello
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02:59<jm_>please don't crash the channel king kong style
02:59<jm_>or should that be crush?
02:59<smhar>ok.. I have firefox using the socket tunneling, that was easy because it has a place where you enter such info. Now Pan does not. Is it possible to run Pan with socket tunneling?
02:59<jm_>what is pan?
03:00<KingKong2009>I am running running testing for the last several years, recently my Intel mobo got roasted so I got an Asus, however the system keeps loosing time
03:00<Gold24>an NNTP reader
03:00<zem>loosing time?
03:01<KingKong2009>Well ever since I got the Asus mobo? How do I know its not Debian and its a faulty battery??
03:01<jm_>right, you can use socksify script - i.e. runsocks, tsocks ...
03:02<zem>KingKong2009: what do you mean by loosing time?
03:02<jm_>KingKong2009: when does it do that?
03:03<KingKong2009>zem, Everytime I reboot the PC after using Debian for several hours the time is not accurate
03:03<jm_>you need to use ntp - that's quite common
03:03<smhar>jm_ news reader, http://pan.rebelbase.com/
03:03<jm_>smhar: yeah, see above
03:04<KingKong2009>Yes I used to use ntp or ntpudate-debian but I am wondering whats behind this strange behaviour, could it be the battery??
03:04<jm_>no, it's not battery, it's cheap hardware
03:04<Gold24>or bad calibration of hardware more likely
03:04<jm_>another thing - kernel support different clocksource options, you can also play with that (it should pick the best option by default)
03:04<jm_>supports*
03:05<jm_>I see the same thing with many different vendors, so you're not alone
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03:06<KingKong2009>jm_, thens whats recommended hardware, my Intel mobo never had this problem
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03:08<KingKong2009>OK I will try to replace the battery and see if that helps, otherwise its back to using ntpupdate
03:08<smhar>I installed tsocks, didnot find runsocks, but even the man does not indicate the config file. I need to dig in /etc
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03:08<jm_>don't bother with battery
03:09<KingKong2009>jm_, what do you recommend
03:09<jm_>KingKong2009: I never used intel hardware, can't comment on that
03:09<jm_>KingKong2009: just use ntp daemon, it will synchronise time with NTP servers
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03:10<KingKong2009>jm_, ok thanks, I shall look into using ntp, I love my Asus mobo even though its 2nd hand (for my Pentium D)...
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03:12<jm_>KingKong2009: yeah I have asus too, with the same issue ;)
03:12<KingKong2009>Another thing I am getting no sound using "Line Out" but if I use "Line In" then I hear sound, its a little bit odd... I used alsamixer to configure
03:12<jm_>!set time
03:12<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior.
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03:19<KingKong2009>jm_, yes I tried the norm /etc/default/rcS and tzdata all looks ok, I think I'll just fall back to using ntp again
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03:51<alfadir>hmm freeserif apears blocky.. other ttf fonts set with qtconfig works.. why ? any hints ?
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03:52<alfadir>similar problem to this :
03:52<alfadir>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=42077
03:53<alfadir>but.. well .. FreeSerif should work.. and is a nice font..
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03:54<JanC>FreeSerif is nice if you have nothing better...
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04:06<tom>IDENTIFY
04:06<tom>\IDENTIFY
04:07<jm_>you probably want to communicate with nickserv about that
04:07<tom>hey, is there any way to tell grub-pc on sid to boot a kernel only once and afterwards fall back to the default setting?
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04:11<jm_>not sure if grub-pc has this
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04:11<jm_>then again, I am still using the version in lenny and the one in sid has many new features
04:12<krio>hi does somebody able to see flash on konqueror kde 3.5.9?
04:13<jm_>ahh it's doable if it has savedefault command like old grub
04:13<tom>so i can go with grub-set-default in the new vesion.
04:14<tom>i will give it a try even thought the /etc/default/grub stuff is a bit pain in the a***
04:16<jm_>but doesn't that make it the default for each boot after that? or does it delete the default file after boot?
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04:16<tom>not sure, honestly.
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04:17<tom>i tried grub2 the first time yesterday. it's all new to me
04:18<tom>i miss the good old "lilo -R" times now :)
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04:18<gsimmons>jm_, tom: According to http://grub.enbug.org/CommandList, savedefault was replaced by load_env/save_env.
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04:19<tom>gsimmons: oh, that helps a lot. thanks. it was just a tick too late. the machine is already down :)
04:21<tom>k, guys. thanks for your help. i have to go on as soon as i come home and can access the monitor of the host.
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04:22<jm_>gsimmons: now all we need is usage for the new commands ;)
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04:26<jm_>it also has lua scripting, so I suppose that too may be used - but loadenv/saveenv alone would probably suffice with env change in the menu entry that will be booted only once
04:26<jm_>load_env/save_env even
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04:29<Wilduck>\quit too much linear algebra
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04:49<nano->What happened to http://netconf.alioth.debian.org/ ?
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05:01<gsimmons>nano-: From the topic of #netconf on this network: "netconf is STALLED due to perceived lack of interest and total lack of time".
05:01<nano->ah
05:02<xeon-enouf>ouch
05:02*xeon-enouf ponders what netconf might have been
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05:09<orjan>I have problem with amanda always doing full backup, even with L > 1 all files are included. What property does gnu tar use to check if a file is old, seems not to be ctime?
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05:16<xeon-enouf>orjan: rsync uses mtime and filesize ... unless other options are given
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05:17<peej>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=543234 says there is a fix for a problem in lenny's virtualbox package. What is the wise way to apply this fix? I've looked in backports and don't see a version that has the fix.
05:18<me>Hi all just a quick which is best net install, cd or dvd. i am wanting to create my own distro say i wanted the cd what to get. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/ has lots of stuff its confusing.
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05:19<me>peej ask in forums be good
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05:21<me>peej: also did you know that sun vbox (from http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads) is usually better than the latest distro available version. there is a .deb version there
05:22<peej>me: define your target first. Ie, who is the installation meant for? Everyone?
05:22<me>me testing it out
05:22<me>my main os atm is linux mint 7 main
05:23<jm_>!cd contents
05:23<dpkg>To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk.
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05:23<orjan>xeon-enouf: If I understan correct, amanda in my setup uses gnu tar, nor rsync
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05:23<me>jigdo ???? never herd of that
05:24<cyres>moin
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05:25<me>i am not too sure of the exact packages i guess i should right a list of them first ay.
05:25<me>i am going to use this tutoral to do it http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=30403&p=175315&hilit=custom+debian+setup#p175315
05:26<me>peej: ???
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05:28<peej>why use the lenny version of virtualbox instead virtualbox version (at http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads) ?
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05:30<peej>oh, ok, because it's ose (open source edition) rather than the non-free one.
05:31<me>peej: in my experance the longtime users in the #linuxmint irc chanel always tell people to go to sun and get the latest as the one is synaptic is old and the sun vbox is beter more stable etc
05:31<me>yes thats probably mainly y
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05:33<me>yea strange why dont they just use the ose instead in synaptic
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05:37<me>hey anyone know the basics of jigdo and how i can use it
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05:38<gsimmons>dpkg: tell noe -about jigdo
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05:40<lili_>hi,i have a problem about unionfs..a system with two disk,one is SATA for /etc/unionfs unionfs 65% (12%) 577.00 MB 1.18 GB 1.82 GB
05:40<noe>dpkg: tell noe -about google
05:40<lili_>/var ext3 /dev/sda3 15% (1%) 235.72 GB 42.69 GB 293.31 GB
05:40<lili_>/jdata ext3 /dev/hda1 7% (1%) 334.35 MB 25.62 MB 379.58 MB
05:40<lili_>/jseed1 ext3 /dev/sda2 62% (2%) 12.47 MB 23.54 MB 37.98 MB
05:40<lili_>/dev/shm tmpfs tmpfs 0% (1%) 1013.37 MB 0.00 KB 1013.37 MB
05:40<lili_>everybody see that??
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05:41<lili_>/var ext3 /dev/sda3 15% (1%) 235.72 GB 42.69 GB 293.31 GB
05:41<lili_>/jdata ext3 /dev/hda1 7% (1%) 334.35 MB 25.62 MB 379.58 MB
05:41<lili_>/jseed1 ext3 /dev/sda2 62% (2%) 12.47 MB 23.54 MB 37.98 MB
05:41<lili_>/dev/shm tmpfs tmpfs 0% (1%) 1013.37 MB 0.00 KB 1013.37 MB
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05:43<notme>ok how do i download a jigdo
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05:46<lili_>Ok ,more polite way: #df -h get this: / unionfs unionfs ; /var ext3 /dev/sda3 ;/jdata ext3 /dev/hda1; /jseed1 ext3 /dev/sda2;
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05:58<smajchl>hello, i need help i just installed fresh net install of Debian and I am not able to login by GDM, the pass and UN is OK and in console works, please help me where should be the problem?
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05:58<jm_>check gdm log and ~/.xsession-errors
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06:00<smajchl>there are lot of errors like /etc/gnome/config/General.ad is not a file or directory... i dont understand what I should do
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06:01<notme>smajchl: if its a new install just reinstall and if happens again then come back
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06:01<notme>simple easy and straight foward
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06:02<jm_>what does 'ls -l /etc/gnome/config/General.ad' say?
06:02<smajchl>notme: orly i should do again the same installation as before a minute?
06:04<smajchl>ls says that the file does not exist
06:05<smajchl>maybe the netinstall CD 5.0.3 is somehow bad?
06:06<petemc>notme: telling people to reinstall is pretty shitty advice
06:06<smajchl>i just downloaded it, i need some stable desktop with no rolling up updates
06:06<jm_>gnome is not on netinst cd so that can't be
06:07<smajchl>I just checked the base system and [*] Desktop usage or how it was during install and after reboot there was GDM and if i write startx there is gnome...
06:07<jm_>yeah, it was installed from the net, not from the CD
06:07<smajchl>you mean like it is from the internet.. ok
06:07<jm_>hence it's not CD that is bad
06:08<jm_>so startx works but gdm doesn't then - you should check gdm logfile
06:08<smajchl>so? reinstall will not help?
06:08<jm_>or if you have messed with its config files, purging gdm and reinstalling only that might help
06:08<smajchl>/var/log/gdm is the xorg log...
06:09<smajchl>nothing i did
06:09<smajchl>only first started and it didnt work
06:09<jm_>how about /var/gdm, does that exist?
06:09<smajchl>no
06:10<smajchl> ls /var/
06:10<smajchl>backups cache crash games lib local lock log mail opt run spool tmp
06:10<jm_>does it log to any other files in /var/log?
06:12<jm_>another option would be to enable debugging for it
06:12<smajchl>i dont know there is /var/log/gdm/:0.log and there is some short log of X11 but no error
06:12<jm_>grep -ri gdm /var/log
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06:12<smajchl>yeah ok
06:13<jm_>as an alternative you could try any other DM
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06:13<smajchl>:-/ yes or dont use it
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06:14<smajchl>hey in gnome-terminal there doesnt wor su
06:14<jm_>people rarely mention gdm problems here so it doesn't sound like there's some problematic bug in it
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06:14<smajchl>autetiyation failed when i write root pass
06:14<petemc>do you use any funny characters in your passwords?
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06:15<smajchl>+
06:15<smajchl>and numbers and abcd....
06:15<smajchl>and _
06:15<petemc>would have thought they would be ok
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06:16<petemc>but, why not try without any non alphanumeric characters, just to test
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06:16<jm_>so maybe that's the same issue as gdm then - check your logs
06:16<smajchl>ok
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06:16<smajchl>i will be back after gdm relogin
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06:16<jm_>(and keyboard mapping)
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06:17<smajchl>keybord is ok i writed the pass instead UN to see what i am writing
06:18<jm_>it's probably pam auth returning auth failure
06:18<jm_>and that's probably the same for gdm and su by default
06:18<smajchl>hey in real console su works
06:18<smajchl>i try to change pass
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06:23<jm_>sounds like a keyboard to me
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06:24<smajchl>hez
06:24<smajchl>hey
06:24<smajchl>it works
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06:24<smajchl>the password !abc"
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06:24<smajchl>no abc
06:24<smajchl>without !
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06:31<smajchl>hallo is here somebody alive?
06:31<Gold24>smajchl: perhaps different charset?
06:31<Gold24>if you have other chars in your pass than ascii letters and numbers
06:31<smajchl>so i should use only alphabet for password? isnt it unsecure i would like to be connected directly to the internet
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06:32<jm_>no other characters should work too
06:33<Gold24>smajchl: no i'm not saying you should use just those i'm just saying it could be the reason if the X keymap and console keymap are different
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06:33<smajchl>oh OK
06:33<smajchl>i check it
06:33<Gold24>i'm just helping you to find the real issue
06:34<smajchl>ok that is good thank you
06:34<smajchl>locale is utf8
06:35<Gold24>well your locale is not really relevant
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06:35<smajchl>maybe I know :-)
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06:35<smajchl>i am little bit shame
06:36<smajchl>there is some stupid keyboard layout in console
06:36<Gold24>well if you type some of your country's "special" letters in the console what happens?
06:36<smajchl>i chosed czech but there is something between czechand english
06:36<jm_>so I was right 20 minutes ago
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06:36<smajchl>yes sorry i didnt check it in console but only in xorg
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06:37<smajchl>thank you very much guys i didnt know that it is different
06:37<Zylvain>hello
06:37<Gold24>smajchl: which version are you running?
06:37<smajchl>of debian?
06:38<Gold24>yes
06:38<smajchl>5.0.3
06:38<smajchl>just downloaded from the net
06:38<Zylvain>is there a command-line tool to scan network for samba shares ?
06:38<Zylvain>similar as Nautilus/Network, but in command line
06:38<smajchl>what is that name of it?
06:38<smajchl>i know only smbmount
06:39<jm_>Zylvain: smbclient -L
06:39<smajchl>and midnight cmmander for samba shares can be used
06:39<jm_>so the answer is yes
06:39<Zylvain>jm_: smbclient -L sambaserver
06:39<smajchl>yes smbclient is in the distro
06:40<Zylvain>jm_: how to scan the network for samba servers ?
06:40<jm_>there is also smb autofs scanner that can generate auto maps
06:40<jm_>Zylvain: ^^^^^^
06:40<Zylvain>when we dont know the samba servers' names ...
06:40<jm_>Zylvain: you can query the PDC for list of machine sin domain and continue from there etc.
06:40<jm_>smbclient does that too
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06:41<Zylvain>jm_: how to ? when typing just smbclient -L, i get a usage output
06:41<Zylvain>i can't see options to scan list of machines
06:42<jm_>Zylvain: I didn't say smbclient can do it directly, I said you can get a list of machines to query individually --> scripts etc.
06:42<jm_>I recommend you look at mkautosmb
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06:43<Zylvain>mkautosmb... thank you
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06:43<jm_>you'll find it on freshmeat
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06:44<Zylvain>jm_: i see, it's not on distros repo
06:44<jm_>Zylvain: unfortunatelly not
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07:02<Zylvain>jm_: smbtree in samba package seems to do that also
07:02<jm_>Zylvain: nice find, thanks
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07:03<jm_>now all I need is find a replacement for linneighborhood
07:04<jm_>(that doesn't depend on kde or gnome)
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07:05<baio>hola
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07:09<supernova>hello everyone!
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07:10<baio>hola
07:10<supernova>can somebody help me about using ps3 joypad via bluetooth?
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07:25<supernova>can somebody help me about using ps3 joypad via bluetooth?
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07:27<ikkaro>hi all
07:27<ikkaro>i've a server with poor performance
07:27<ikkaro>i've a 3ware card 9550
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07:28<ikkaro>i've been searching at google and i've seen some kernel bug but i'm in doubt if it currently exist on my precompiled kernel 2.6.26-2-686
07:28<ikkaro>i'm running only a mysql database
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07:28<ikkaro>anyone working with this card ?
07:28<ikkaro>or some workaround ?
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07:34<kop>ikkaro: You could always try a newer kernel. Either backports.org or make-kpkg.
07:34<kop>!make-kpkg
07:34<dpkg>rumour has it, make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
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07:38<handjob>Good afternoon gentleman. I am trying to get 5.1 speakers running on Lenny. Alsa's irc is not much of a help. All i menage to get from them is that i need something called "surround51". Any ideas where to get it and where to put it?
07:44<peej>apt-file search surround51
07:44<peej>libasound2: /usr/share/alsa/pcm/surround51.conf
07:45<peej>um.. documentation? what documentation?
07:46<peej>ikkaro: how have you checked card throughput?
07:47<ikkaro>i've another 3ware working fine (more or less)
07:47<ikkaro>but this one is poor
07:47<ikkaro>and the server isn't working
07:48<ikkaro>and have a lot of iowait
07:48<gogo39>maybe this will help: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2008-January/207366.html
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07:49<peej>ikkaro: did you physically swap the cards to test them?
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07:51<handjob>peej, Thank you. The file exists (yet i am not sure what was the "apt-file"). Can you tell me what do i need to do with it in order to enjoy more speakers?
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07:54<jm_>handjob: do you have a 5.1 card? did you actaully test with a proper 5.1 sound sample?
07:56<handjob>jm_, I have SB live 5.1.I didn't tested the sound although i am sure it does work. By the way how to test?
07:58<jm_>handjob: speaker-test -c 6, there are also better and free sound samples to test with
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08:00<jm_>I found free DTS samples and tested them with mplayer
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08:01<handjob>jm_, Only two of them responded. Is it software related or is there a possibility that i menage to fuck things up in physical realm?
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08:03<jm_>handjob: hmm it's probably configuration issue
08:03<jm_>handjob: how about speaker-test -Dplug:surround51 -c6 ?
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08:05<jsd666>Hi
08:05<handjob>jm_, Same story. Maybe this will help http://pastebin.com/f20c2d6b0
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08:06<jm_>handjob: is that the original emu10k1 = sb live card? if so that's the one I tested this with some years ago
08:07<handjob>jm_, Yes it's the original. Mostly strange.
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08:07<jm_>handjob: try to found a proper dts sample and test with mplayer -channels 6
08:08<jsd666>I've got 2 problems when booting in debian on notebook. first one is that udev displays 'Waiting for /dev to be fully populated...[ 10.316410] Error: Driver 'pcspkr' is already registered, aborting...' during boot and it hangs for about 1-2minutes but then, it works well till 'Setting console screen modes and fonts' and it hangs forever...
08:08<jm_>right now I have audigy 2 card with 2.1 speakers so I can't be arsed testing again
08:08<jm_>!pcspkr
08:08<dpkg>pcspkr is probably makes an annoying BEEPing <bell> sound from within your computer (usually a piezo spkr, attached to the Motherboard). Add "blacklist pcspkr" to any file in /etc/modprobe.d/ (/blacklist, /local, /blacklist.local, etc) to kill it -- and/or "blacklist snd_pcsp" since 2.6.26 kernels - 'alsamixer' might show a PC Speak[er] slider/option as well. Ensure /etc/modules does not contain any modules you're blacklisting
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08:09<jsd666>I've tried blacklisting it but this isn't the main problem
08:09<Tchellow>someone help me with the bacula backup server?
08:09<jsd666>'Setting console screen modes and fonts' is the main problem
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08:09<Tchellow>I can not connect the server to a client windows
08:10<jm_>jsd666: are you sure it's that bit?
08:11<jsd666>I'm just sure that it hangs at this point
08:11<jsd666>normaly there should come 'Setting up general console font' after this so I think it's it.
08:11<Tchellow>checked the netstat and the port is listening, but does not connect, it must be some secret, varis follow tutorials but does not work
08:12<jm_>perhaps use kbd instead of console-tools then
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08:13<jm_>alternatively, add "set -x" in the script as 2nd line to see where it hangs
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08:21<ims>gnome-settings-daemon start up failed... what are the probable causes?
08:22<jm_>or perhaps editing /etc/console-tools/config and commenting out the fonts to use might help
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08:23<ims>ok i'll try that...
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08:24<jm_>ims: that wasn't for you
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08:25<ims>jm_err! i thought it was me, sorry.
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08:59<fgh>can i run the section of the installation where i you choose what to install after install is ready? i want to add laptop and desktop but was only able to choose "base" during install ...
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09:00<jm_>fgh: you have my permission ;)
09:00<fgh>thanks :)
09:00<fgh>and what command should i run?
09:00<jm_>use tasksel to achieve it
09:01<albins>I’m thinking about doing s/sid/squeeze/ in my sources.list, since squeeze is supposed to be about a week behind sid I’m guessing this shouldn’t be a problem. Am I missing something?
09:02<jm_>albins: not a week - in general there is no problem with this but see /msg dpkg testing security
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09:02<fgh>jm_: thanks for your permission and tasksel hint
09:02-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*@*.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] by themill
09:02<jm_>fgh: no worries
09:02-!-mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill
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09:04<albins>jm_: Ah, good. Life with unstable has been a bit too exciting recently. :)
09:04<InkBottle>With ath5k/2.6.30 kernel, avahi-discover or mdns-scan find only the computer I'm on. Any hint?
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09:05<InkBottle>afaik, it should work
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09:06<jm_>albins: it can be yes
09:09<InkBottle>I'm going to ask my question on #linux too, it's a bit out-topic here
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09:17<drakeman>Hey anyone have any idea why everytime i make any change in the file /etc/motd to change the welcome message for ssh users, it restarts to the original everytime i restart the computer!, should i need to make the chnages in other place? there is a /etc/motd.tail too, how i preserve the changes? thanks
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09:19<jm_>drakeman: man motd explains it
09:19<drakeman>jm_, mm thanks! im going to check it...
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09:20<jm_>drakeman: you have already found how to do it btw (motd.tail)
09:21<drakeman>jm_, ohhhhh, hehhee thanksss :D im going to change the man anyways.
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09:21<jm_>drakeman: that doesn't sound like a good idea!
09:21<drakeman>jm_, sorry i mistake, im going to check* the man anyways.
09:22<jm_>drakeman: :)
09:22<albins>By the way, how long is the average debian release cycle?
09:22<drakeman>xD
09:22<jm_>!release dates
09:22<dpkg>rumour has it, release dates is Debian Release Dates: 0.93R6 1995-10-26, 1.1 "buzz" 1996-06-17, 1.2 "rex" 1996-12-12, 1.3 "bo" 1997-06-05, 2.0 "hamm" 1998-07-24, 2.1 "slink" 1999-03-09, 2.2 "potato" 2000-08-15, 3.0 "woody" 2002-07-19, 3.1 "sarge" 2005-06-06, 4.0 "etch" 2007-04-08.
09:22<albins>that bot really has the answer to everything.
09:22<jm_>heh lenny is missing
09:23<albins>Hm. But I’ll have to wait about a year for squeeze to become stable, judging by that list.
09:23<gsimmons>jm_: Fixed.
09:23<albins>!release dates
09:23<dpkg>from memory, release dates is Debian Release Dates: 0.93R6 1995-10-26, 1.1 "buzz" 1996-06-17, 1.2 "rex" 1996-12-12, 1.3 "bo" 1997-06-05, 2.0 "hamm" 1998-07-24, 2.1 "slink" 1999-03-09, 2.2 "potato" 2000-08-15, 3.0 "woody" 2002-07-19, 3.1 "sarge" 2005-06-06, 4.0 "etch" 2007-04-08, 5.0 "lenny" 2009-02-14
09:23<jm_>gsimmons: thank you
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09:52<heartbeats>how can i install yahoo messenger
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09:53<heartbeats>how can i install yahoo messenger
09:53<dr|z3d>heartbeats: No need to repeat.
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09:53<dr|z3d>heartbeats: Try Pidgin or Empathy.
09:53<bja>heartbeats: afaik there is no linux version, ther is centerim, which on the latest version is capable of handling the new yahoo protocol
09:53<themill>or kopete
09:53<heartbeats>the pidgin not working
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09:54<gsimmons>heartbeats: /msg dpkg pidgin yahoo
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09:55<fgh>i just cant figure out why my X looks so wierd since squeeze updated to xorg 1.6 :(
09:56<heartbeats>is it posible to install firefox
09:57<fgh>iceweasel heartbeats
09:57<heartbeats>is it firefox>?
09:57<fgh>more or less, yes
09:57<mjt>rebranded firefox
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09:57<heartbeats>if any pidgin like softwares?
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10:00<heartbeats>how can i install flash player
10:00<heartbeats>i downloaded it in my desktop
10:00<themill>heartbeats: /msg dpkg adobe flash
10:01<heartbeats>k
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10:28*arw hello folks
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10:46<philipp>join #debian-de
10:46<philipp>...
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10:46<dr|z3d>Try /join
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10:47<philipp>thx 4 help :P
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10:52<bittin>:D
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10:54<heartbeats>any body can tell me where is the location of python compiler
10:55<heartbeats>any body is alive
10:55<heartbeats>...
10:55<the-dude>heartbeats: dpkg -L python
10:55<dr|z3d>heartbeats: apt-cache search python, alternatively.
10:55<the-dude>or whereis python
10:56<heartbeats>is python has any terminals in debin like ubuntu
10:56<heartbeats>?
10:57<heartbeats>can any one tell python irc
10:58<heartbeats>?
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11:00<heartbeats>can any one tell python irc?
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11:00<the-dude>#python ?
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11:00<smhar>I am trying to install the deb package of realplayer from real.com but it seems it conflicts with nullmailer which is required by at and it seems that this will just damage my installation, what is going wrong? and how to install realplayer?
11:01<heartbeats>yes python
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11:02<bja>heartbeats: /j #python
11:02<smhar>rep only has real10 and I need real 11
11:03<rjent>Greetings, what is the best way to purge all uninstalled packages on a system?
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11:04<diabolo>hallo
11:04<bittin>hello
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11:04<diabolo>spricht hier jemand deutsch?
11:04<bittin>#debian-de
11:04<diabolo>aha danke
11:04<agurney>rjent: I've used aptitude for that. '_' will purge packages, use that key on the "not installed" list of packages
11:05<diabolo>hello
11:05<heartbeats>?
11:05<themill>rjent: "aptitude purge ~c"
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11:06<agurney>themill: that's even nicer
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11:06<rjent>agurney and themill: Thank you for the information. :)
11:07<diabolo>is there a installer for the asus eeepc with kde 4?
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11:07<jpinx>diabolo: I believe the standard installer now works for the eeeps
11:07<InkBottle>a channel about networking?
11:07<jpinx>diabolo: try in #debian-eeepc
11:08<diabolo>the wlan doesen't work with the standard installer
11:08<InkBottle>jpinx, not bad!!!
11:08<diabolo>ah thank you
11:08<bittin>diabolo: what w-lan card you got?
11:09<InkBottle>jpinx, diabolo sorry it wasn't to me, but the topics matched so well, I didn't notice :)
11:10<InkBottle>though i'm ashamed having been confused like that ;)
11:10<agurney>Since 2 weeks or so, when running a process in xterm, I'm unable to send SIGINT (either via ctrl-c or kill -2) : the signal gets ignored. This doesn't happen in a text console. I've searched the bug database without success. Typical X session launched via GDM, and uses awesome as a WM. I'm using xterm as terminal. Any hint is welcome, because I'm at loss and this situation is quite painful.
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11:14<karika200>hi
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11:14<karika200>I upgraded my debian last night, and I got a new intel video driver for xorg
11:14<karika200>but now, with this driver the X server crashes
11:14<karika200>I'm using now vesa, but it isn't enough
11:14<karika200>is tehre any workaround for the intel driver crash?
11:15<karika200>I saw a lot of bugreports in the topic...
11:15<diabolo>under the battery there is a label: "Wireless Module: AW-NE766" - is that the WLAN-Card?
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11:25<diabolo>hello does anybody know how to find printer-drivers for the HP2055dn, the Lexmark Optra E+, and the Lexmark X1150?
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11:30<smhar>ok.. I have realplayer installed, but It can not connect to internet!! I have a socket tunnel over ssh that firefox is using, how to achieve the same with rp?
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11:44<geekaia>HI
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11:45<geekaia>I'm have some problems to install nvidia driver on kernel 2.6.31
11:46<geekaia>I have runned the nvidia installer ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-185.18.36-pkg1.run
11:46<geekaia>and it has returned to me
11:46<geekaia>some erros
11:46<geekaia>referred to OpenGL Files
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11:46<geekaia>I don't know to to solve
11:46<geekaia>this problems
11:46<geekaia>problem
11:47<bja>!nvidia
11:47<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
11:47<geekaia>anyone can help me?
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11:52<OdyX>geekaia: use your eyes and read ?
11:52<OdyX>geekaia: you use two unsupported things (and probably Sid), you are expected to know…
11:52<smhar>what video player in debian can play streaming rm video?
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11:53<geekaia>No
11:53-!-franco [~franco@ppp-21-62.15-151.iol.it] has joined #debian
11:53<geekaia>I'm using ubuntu
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11:53<geekaia>Ubuntu Karmic
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11:53<OdyX>!ubuntu
11:53<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
11:54<OdyX>geekaia: even more…
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11:54<geekaia>thanks
11:55<geekaia>my log file apears as: ERROR: The runtime configuration check failed for the library
11:55<geekaia> 'libnvidia-tls.so.185.18.36' (expected:
11:55<geekaia> '/usr/lib/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1
11:55<geekaia>after i runned the nvidia Installer
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11:57<OdyX>geekaia: stop that.
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11:57<OdyX>geekaia: your problem will _not_ be solved here for the two reasons explained above (nvidia installer and Ubuntu).
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12:00<fgh>i dont know much about debian bug reports but found this page about my videocard and xorg http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=546714 can i stick to it and it will be updated when the bug is solved?
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12:05<fgh>nvm
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12:21<Guest2622>Hi, I have a problem while installing linux,
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12:21<Guest2622>"NO boot device detected"
12:21<Guest2622>please help
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12:26<boss_>Hi! After installing Linux, i get a problem while restarting " No boot device detected......"
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12:39<bacdec>hola tengo un problema con mi conexion de red
12:40<dr|z3d>!es
12:40<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:50<elops>linux does not need to know 1.) a size, 2.) a type, or 3.) a format for a partition in order to create it ?
12:50<elops>and you cannot create a partition without having a size. even if the size is 0, its still a size ?
12:51<elops>i mean.. it must have a size to exist even if the size is dynamic. that must be specified. it must know that
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12:53<elops>correct me if i am wrong, but doesnt linux need to know if a partition is primary or extended?
12:53<petemc>where are you getting the idea that it doesnt?
12:54<petemc>that kidn of stuff is
12:54<petemc>erm
12:54<petemc>that kind of stuff is related to how a pc bios sees it
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13:05<Gun_Smoke>What exactly are you lost in elops?
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13:08<ruben_>hello! got a problem with ps2 keyboard in gdm on debian testing... someone can offer help?
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13:10<adama>ruben_: maybe! Just ask
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13:10<Andr3z>what kind of problem
13:11<ruben_>adama: did upgrade of testing yesterday and after a reboot, the keyboard simply refuse to work in the gdm login screen
13:11<ruben_>adama: the keyboard does however work in the grub boot loader
13:11<ruben_>i can also login remotely and everything looks normal
13:11<ruben_>is on 32-bit x86
13:12<adama>hmm, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
13:12<ruben_>kernel is debian kernel 2.6.30-1-686
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13:13<ruben_>when i shutdown gdm, i get the normal terminal screen, but even in that one, the keyboard is not working
13:13<ruben_>so it doesn't seem X specific
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13:16<Andr3z>reinstall gnome enviroment
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13:17<adama>are there any relevant messages in dmesg?
13:17<ruben_>hmm... it's not working even if i don't start gnome/gdm... so i don't think that's gonna help
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13:18<adama>does a USB keyboard work?
13:18<ruben_>sadly i don't have a usb keyboard :(
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13:18<ruben_>but the usb mouse does work
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13:18<ruben_>and i don't see anything abnormal in dmesg
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13:19<ruben_>hmm... gonna reboot my computer and check the bios....
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13:22<zxn>hi guys. i'm having a problem with usb pen. let me explain: i'm loged with one user, then switch user and insert a usb pen and i cannot create archives there and the owner is the user i siwtched from , what makes non sense :S thanks for the help
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13:23<adama>zxnah: check for differences in the group memberships of each user
13:23<zxnah>i allowed users to mount usb and so on :S
13:24<cahoot>isn't the problem that ownership is preserved?
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13:24<zxnah>but seems that user2 is suburdinated to user1 :S
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13:26<zxnah>both are normal users, so why user1 get the owner of pen when i insert it on user2 session? :S
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13:50<bja>Does anyone know how iceweasel detects a crash? I ran out of batery some time ago, and it still believes the last session creashed?
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13:51<petemc>bja: it checks that it wasnt shut down gracefully previously, i would assume
13:51<blendmaster1024>bja, hold on while i type
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13:52<bja>petemc: I know, the question is how it does it?
13:52<blendmaster1024>every minute or so when it's running, it writes the crash data. when it closes correctly, it deletes this data. if it opens and the data is still there, it assumes there was a crash and offers to restore with the crash data.
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13:53<bja>blendmaster1024: where does it writes that crash data?
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13:53<blendmaster1024>no idea, i just know how such things work in general, not how firefox's works exactly
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13:55<bja>blendmaster1024: thx for the info, i guess i'll delete whatever sounds like a crash recovery file
13:55<blendmaster1024>no!!
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13:55<blendmaster1024>don't do that, you'll delete something important - ask on irc.freenode.net 's #firefox
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13:57<bja>blendmaster1024: a the most i'll have to reinstall iceweasel, i am sure the data must be on my $HOME/.mozilla/firefox directory
13:57<blendmaster1024>no, that won't get it - remember that dpkg only deletes the program data, not program config files?
13:58<bja>apt-get purge packagename purges everything from the package, and after that a fast manual inspection to see that nothing was left behind and you are all set
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14:00<ruben_>adama: problem solved for now
14:01<ruben_>adama: found the following http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/6/22/74
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14:01<ruben_>adama: booting with i8042.noaux solves the problem for me too
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14:02<hxB5>Hi All, I would like to be able to remote desktop into a debian lenny, without having to log into that machine first (which i have to do now)... any hints for me please?
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14:03<hxB5>kind of RDP for debian if you will
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14:06<hxB5>i am looking into the native remote desktop tools in debian (on the client i want to connect to), and i installed a vncviewer on my machine, but it wont't let me login if there is no session open on my target client
14:06<petemc>hxB5: i use nx which allows you to connect over ssh
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14:10<mjt>X has built-in ability to work over network
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14:10<mjt>xdm&xdmcp (or gdm, kdm etc)
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14:14<blendmaster1024>argh, i'm trying to reverse engineer debootstrap to change the way it installs the packages - i want all at once instead of package by package
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14:15<hxB5>petemc: have you heard of FreeNX? what software do you use?
14:16<petemc>ive heard of it, its a giant shell script
14:16<blendmaster1024>wait, no, i don't need to do that!! this is the problem: http://pastebin.com/f5a1670f9
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14:16<petemc>or at least it was last time i looked - i use nomachines non free nx
14:16<blendmaster1024>do i want rsyslog or kernel_log_daemon ?
14:16<hxB5>thx
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14:17<SSmith>blendmaster1024: rsyslog provides the kernel logger
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14:17<blendmaster1024>but so does klogd :) and it's trying to install both
14:18<jmw>is there a developer around to do a vac-check for me?
14:19<SSmith>need to uninstall klogd then install rsyslog
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14:19<blendmaster1024>so i don't want klogd?
14:20<SSmith>blendmaster1024: you don;t need klogd
14:20<faheem>hi. any suggested about a software gadget for recording memory usage on a machine. something like a recordable/loggable top would be fine.
14:20<SSmith>blendmaster1024: rsyslog will provide the same functionality as klogd
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14:20<blendmaster1024>ok. faheem, write it yourself, it would be a one-liner at a shell prompt
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14:24<blendmaster1024>crap, and how do i tell debootstrap i don't want klogd?
14:24<faheem>blendmaster1024: really? using what?
14:24<blendmaster1024>faheem, well, pipes, awk, sed, grep, and append redirect
14:26<petemc>very useful
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14:26<petemc>faheem: top should be able to write to a file itself, check the manpage
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14:27<blendmaster1024>petemc, but that would be much less configurable, this would be a one-liner while loop
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14:28<petemc>blendmaster1024: you have made some hand wavey comments about shell tools, feel free to be specific
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14:28<blendmaster1024>well, i am trying to find a program that outputs the mem usage somewhere in it's output and *doesn't use curses*
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14:29<faheem>petemc: checked. saw a batch mode, not sure if that will work if I pipe directly. no file option.
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14:30<dutchfish>blendmaster1024, maybe cat /proc/meminfo ?
14:30<blendmaster1024>oh yeah... that would do it... hold on faheem and i'll have your one-liner
14:31<Gathond>blendmaster1024: free
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14:34<jackson_>hello there
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14:34<jackson_>my compiz is not workin
14:35<jackson_>can any1 help
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14:35<jackson_>i hav windows vista
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14:35<jackson_>intel grahics card
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14:38<arifd86>simple BASH question: how to create a variable that is the combination of two other variables, without spaces? Thank you! :D
14:38<mjt>foo="$bar$baz" ?
14:38<mjt>oh, w/o spaces
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14:39<mjt>foo=${foo// /}
14:39<arifd86>also, i want to stick an @ symbol inbetween them
14:39<arifd86>i.e ADDRESS=$USERNAME @ $SERVER
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14:41<arifd86>mjt, anyone, any ideas?
14:42*mjt suggests doing some trivial homework first
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14:42<adama>arifd86: baz="$foo@$bar"
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14:42<mjt>"any ideas", yeah
14:42<adama>no problem
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14:42<arifd86>that was my guess, but will that actually work, will it not think the @ as part of the first variable name?
14:42<arifd86>this is my homework, so to speak, mjt :)
14:43<adama>!tias
14:43<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See"... or what you could have done first.
14:43<arifd86>i want to learn bash, by creating an ssh script
14:43<mjt>so read the fine manual, what's considered a variable name
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14:44<arifd86>where is such a fine manual, I have the bash-beginners-guide-open but offers no answer
14:44<adama>you also have a computer in front of you, on which you can easily test your "problem"
14:45<mjt> name A word consisting only of alphanumeric characters and under‐
14:45<mjt> scores, and beginning with an alphabetic character or an under‐
14:45<mjt> score. Also referred to as an identifier.
14:45<blendmaster1024>faheem, you still there? i'm working on the one-liner
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14:45<faheem>blendmaster1024: yes, still here.
14:45<nakahe>Why might sshd /not/ write logs when authentication fails... i.e. i'm sshing in as a user listed in AllowUsers, but intentionally not using the private key, and password's not accepted, so the ssh attempt fails, but nothing is written to /var/log/auth.log
14:45<nakahe>t's not that i get no logs. i get no logs when a valid user fails login.
14:45<mjt>arifd86: that's one of the first things from bash manual. But I've no idea why others should do that for you.
14:45<nakahe>i seem to recall normal INFO level logs detailing /why/ a login failed. i.e. invalid key, bad password, etc.
14:46<arifd86>well, i'm irc-ing on my 7 inch linux netbook, but writing the script on my Mac, so not so simply to TIAS all the time
14:46<mjt>better ask, that's for sure.
14:46<blendmaster1024>ok then, faheem, this will print the used, free, and total mem every second (tunable):
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14:46<blendmaster1024>(while true; do tot=$(head -n 1 /proc/meminfo | awk '{print $2}');free=$(head -n 2 /proc/meminfo | tail -n 1 | awk '{print $2}'); used=$[$tot-$free]; echo -e "of $tot K total memory, $used K used and $free K free"; sleep 1; done)
14:46<arifd86>i'm sorry mjt, which bash manual exactly?
14:47<arifd86>i am trying to learn, and I do appreciate your time!
14:47<blendmaster1024>redirect-ready, and adding ' | uniq' to the end of that will make it only print when it changes. of course you can just add '>>logfile' to save it to logfile.
14:47<mjt>arifd86: man bash
14:47<arifd86>righty
14:48*blendmaster1024 has to go to school now, he hopes that was helpful, faheem
14:48<mjt>arifd86: any guide should have basic definitions around the beginning
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14:48<arifd86>yes, either way, can you reccomend me a good read?
14:49<faheem>blendmaster1024: thanks.
14:49<arifd86>man bash - not so tasty :P
14:49<mjt>their info book should be ok
14:49<arifd86>?
14:49<mjt>in bash-doc package
14:50<arifd86>where is bash-doc? (superior noob here)
14:50<mjt>in nearby debian mirror
14:50<mjt>i guess
14:51<arifd86>apt-get? wait -- i'll TIAS ;)
14:51<faheem>blendmaster1024: getting syntax errors. but i don't want to trouble you any more. thanks for your help.
14:53<arifd86>okay, i've installed bash-doc but now what (it's not a command and hasn't popped into my menubar (lxpanel)
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14:54<mjt>arifd86: info bash
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14:55<arifd86>than you mjt, tonight i shall get to work on it :)
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15:11<sheppard>hello
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15:12<patchhenk>hello sheppard
15:12<sheppard>i have problem installing debian on my laptop (asus f3ke), throws me an "mmconfig error"
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15:13<sheppard>i tried debian testing netinst cd
15:14<patchhenk>i tried too, with a compaq mini. but no driver for the ethernetcard
15:15<sheppard>i can't even get to the installer ;)
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15:26<patchhenk>hm, now he is telling me not "no kernel modules were found" and it can due to a mismatch between kernelversion. but were can i see the version of the kernel in my iso :?
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15:27<geckos>how to open epiphany with defined geometry?
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15:28<geckos>like others_programs_that_support_geometry --geometry=30x70+0+0
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15:32<chealer>patchhenk: what "he" are you referring to?
15:33<sheppard>patchhenk it has something to do with BIOS, but i'm not sure
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15:34<WA1D0>hello
15:35<sheppard>hello
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15:45<patchhenk>he = the installer
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15:47<chealer>patchhenk: what installer?
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15:57<patchhenk>chealer: thats the problem; it seems that I need the 2.6.31 for my netbook, so I was looking for the matching hd-media/boot.img.gz to the debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso (hoping this is using 2.6.31), but did not find how to identify. you see, I'm a beginner...
15:58<chealer>patchhenk: Linux 2.6.31 is not in Debian yet
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15:59<nakahe>i remember switching from 'stable' to 'etch' in my sources.list for a reason, a long time ago...
15:59<mib_cb2gm2>anybody available for some boot help?
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16:00<patchhenk>chealer: but what meens this? "Linux 2.6.31 kernel released on 9 September, 2009." I found searching for 2.6.31
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16:02<nakahe>why? because having 'stable' in sources.list ended up breaking a lot of shit, so i decided to 'lock in' to the at-the-time stable branch, which when it was stable/"new" was usually a couple years behind in a lot of ways?
16:02<chealer>patchhenk: that means that Linux 2.6.31 was released recently, on 2009-09-09. Debian is a GNU/Linux distribution. It did not yet update the version of Linux it distributes to 2.6.31.
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16:02<nakahe>which i'm not saying is a bad thing, i don't need bleeding edge on my servers. it's just amusing how old some of the packages are.
16:03<chealer>!tell mib_cb2gm2 about ask
16:03<themill>nakahe: you've said that both here and on freenode now. Is there actually a question you want to ask?
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16:06<linuxnoob>Yeah I just asked in there, sorry
16:06<linuxnoob>Didn't see anyone responding in here
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16:08<linuxnoob>I'm trying to install xorg (fresh install no my netbook) and it doesn't find it
16:08<patchhenk>my wife arrived, sorry :-*
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16:09<linuxnoob>i just did apt-get update
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16:11<linuxnoob>anybody?
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16:12<linuxnoob>"Could not find package x-org"
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16:12<Nemoder>try xorg
16:12<linuxnoob>i tried both
16:13<linuxnoob>does it make a difference whether I say "aptitude" or "apt-get"
16:13<Nemoder>aptitude is better with dependencies but they do the same thing
16:14<themill>linuxnoob: are you on irc from this machine?
16:14<linuxnoob>no
16:14<linuxnoob>i'm on a school computer, my netbooks right in fronto f me
16:14<Nemoder>what version of debian did you install?
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16:15<linuxnoob>5.0.2?
16:16<linuxnoob>maybe?
16:16<linuxnoob>i think its older, my friend gave me a boot cd and recommended that I just use that and then get updates from the network
16:16<Nemoder>cat /etc/debian_version
16:16<linuxnoob>yeah 5.0.2
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16:19<Nemoder>linuxnoob: what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? use pastebin if you can
16:20<linuxnoob>permission denied
16:20<linuxnoob>even though I'm logged into root?
16:20<Nemoder>linuxnoob: use cat or less to view it
16:22<linuxnoob>Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify
16:22<linuxnoob>and then it gives me a few more lines, you want to know those?
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16:22<Nemoder>!paste
16:22<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
16:23<Nemoder>I'm guessing you used a net installer and it failed to connect online when installing so the only packages it has are what was on the cd
16:23<linuxnoob>that's probably the case
16:24<Nemoder>you can edit your sources.list to fix that if the network is active now
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16:24<linuxnoob>i'm not sure if it will be able to connect to the internet now
16:24<Nemoder>try ping www.google.com or somethin
16:24<linuxnoob>yeah, didnt work
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16:25<Nemoder>is it wireless?
16:25<linuxnoob>yeah
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16:25<Nemoder>out of my league then, maybe somebody else can help :)
16:25<linuxnoob>that's cool, I think I will try a different cd
16:26<linuxnoob>thanks for the help!
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16:28<noiz_>#debian-russian
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16:38<no_one>hi
16:39<no_one>can please help me out here
16:39<no_one>...
16:39<no_one>I need to create a virtual Dvd DL filesystem
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16:40<no_one>already found some references to regular dvdr
16:40<no_one>but not dvd DL
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16:46<Squelos>hello
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16:46<Squelos>what are the main differences between ubuntu and debian ?
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16:47<chealer>Squelos: this is a Debian support channel - ask #linux
16:47<Squelos>yeah i know, its just a troll actually :D
16:47<Squelos>how are youz doing ?
16:48<Squelos>chealer, i got 250go, and im going to reformat, what do you recommend ?
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17:01<patchhenk>chealer: so there is no way to install debian with the 2.6.31 now ?
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17:04<Andr3z>not yet i think
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17:11<katsu>ciao
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17:13<patchhenk>i bought this compaq mini spezialy to install debian on it, and was shure that the basics will work. Now the ethernetcard is not found. I heard it needs a driver called atl1c. but how to ge
17:14<patchhenk>t?
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17:18<patchhenk>where i can get files to netinstall sid from a udsbstick?
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17:20<bja>patchhenk: you don't install sid that way, you usually install either testing or stable, then you upgrade to sid
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17:23<patchhenk>bja: but upgrading without a driver for my ethernetcard?
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17:24<bja>patchhenk: lspci
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17:25<patchhenk>bja: lspci -nn | grep Eth gibt mir
17:25<patchhenk>02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200] : Attensic Technology Corp. Device [1969:1062] (rev c0)
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17:26<bja>patchhenk: take a look here to see if your laptop is listed http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/HP?action=show&redirect=InstallingDebianOn%2FCompaq
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17:29<chaos>hi
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17:30<chaos>if i combine pata & sata drives in my lvm is that going to slow down the satas?
17:30<chaos>or just produce odd performance? :)
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17:32<chealer>patchhenk: no
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17:35<fan>hello
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17:36<bja>hi
17:36<patchhenk>bja: I did. it isnt listed. Ubuntu installation the ethernetcard worked after i downloaded the
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17:37<chealer>patchhenk: patchhenk get Debian's Linux 2.6.30
17:38<patchhenk>bja: driver : AR81Family-linux-v1.0.0.10.tar.gz
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17:40<arw>i get this error working with gstreammer, "GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_util_uint64_scale_int: assertion `denom > 0' failed"
17:40<patchhenk>somebody told me that there is a bug in the 2.6.30 that the ar8132 is not working, and its fixed in the 2.6.31
17:40<patchhenk>chealer
17:40<arw>i've searching but no luck, any ideas?
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17:42<patchhenk>chealer: I'll try.
17:42<helpman225>Hello. Can anyone help me configure LTSP??
17:43<fan>LTSP?
17:43<azeem>!ltsp
17:43<dpkg>it has been said that ltsp is the Linux Terminal Server Project. http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP http://www.ltsp.org/ #ltsp on irc.freenode.net.
17:44<chaos>i bet dpkg can help ;)
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17:46<mangospork>Can anyone tell me what a constantly restarting hard drive means when it comes to fuse?
17:46<mangospork>It's usb.
17:48<petemc>check your logs, dmesg/syslog/messages
17:48<mangospork>'I have.
17:48<mangospork>Here's a pastebin of it.
17:48<mangospork>http://pastie.org/618063.txt
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17:50<mangospork>Any idea petemc?
17:51<petemc>i dont think fuse is a factor
17:51<petemc>your kernel doesnt seem happy with the usb device
17:51<mangospork>Yeah...I'm new to debian. I'm used to make etc in gentoo...
17:51<mangospork>How can I fix that?
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17:52<mangospork>With /usr/src/linux make && etc lol
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17:53<petemc>if the device works elsewhere i would certainly look into trying other kernels
17:53<azeem>mangospork: do you have a patch for the problem?
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17:56<patchhenk>chealer: where i can get the boot.img .gz and netinst.iso for this?
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17:58<chealer>patchhenk: did you see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ?
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18:00<patchhenk>chealer: yes. and the boot.img.gz I can take from there: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ ?
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18:02<chealer>patchhenk: unless you're not installing on i386, yes
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18:02<patchhenk>chealer: ok I'll try
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18:04<mangospork>petemc or azeem: No idea? I'm pretty sure a lot of people have the same problem?
18:04<mangospork>Can I just upgrade my kernel?
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18:04<mangospork>Cough, Linux Carter 2.6.30-1-686 #1 SMP Mon Aug 3 16:18:30 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
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18:06<azeem>mangospork: why are you "pretty sure"?
18:06<mangospork>Google?
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18:08<mangospork>Bbl.
18:08<mangospork>I think I may have found a solution.
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18:08<sdsdsd>Hello Guys, i am trying to mount a iso image, so i do: mount -o loop name.iso /media/cdrom0/ as root, and i recive: mount: you must specify the type of file system.
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18:09<sdsdsd>then i try: mount -o loop -t iso9660 name.iso /media/cdrom0/
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18:11<sdsdsd>wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop1,
18:11<sdsdsd> missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so
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18:12<sdsdsd>so i recive: ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format. on dmesg | tail
18:12<sdsdsd>what other types can i try?
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18:13<sdsdsd>what can i do to mount it?
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18:14<mangospork>So fellas, I added usb_storage to my modules to load during startup and tried that. It worked, I mounted /dev/sdc1 to /media/EXTERNAL and then went into my music program and no cigar. I checked dmesg and this is what I found. http://pastie.org/618100.txt
18:15<chealer>sdsdsd: what does $ file name.iso; output?
18:16<sdsdsd>data
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18:17<chealer>sdsdsd: none
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18:17<mangospork>Oh and another thing! I get this when I bootup: ""[ 27.840102] Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods""
18:17<chealer>sdsdsd: that's not an iso image
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18:19<sdsdsd>wow, but on Daemon Tools it opens (on Win)
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18:19<sdsdsd>how can i mount it like a cd image?
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18:20<bja>stew: thx
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18:22<patchhenk>chealer: I extracted the boot.img.gz with "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb" to my usbstick, than copied the "http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso" to it and the error from the installer is like before: No kernel modules were found....
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18:22<patchhenk>sdsdsd: mount -o loop ...
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18:23<sdsdsd>patchhenk i told that it doesnt work
18:24<patchhenk>sorry
18:25<chealer>patchhenk: at which point do you get that error?
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18:27<patchhenk>chealer: after "scanning drives for an installer iso image"
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18:28<patchhenk>chealer: the second time I got this error: Failed to find an installer iso image
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18:30<chealer>patchhenk: did you also get "No kernel modules were found...." the second time?
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18:30<patchhenk>chealer: no
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18:31<chealer>patchhenk: did you check on the other consoles for other errors (that could explain the "Failed to find an installer iso image")?
18:33<chealer>sdsdsd: it depends on the file format
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18:33<heartbeats>how can i build pakages
18:34<heartbeats>hellow
18:34<sdsdsd>its .iso but file command told that is data
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18:34<gsimmons>sdsdsd: The iat utility (/msg dpkg iat) may be possible to determine the format.
18:35<heartbeats>how can i build pakages?
18:36<patchhenk>chealer: tail -f /var/log/syslog: waiting for /dev/sdb to possibly get ready..
18:36<azeem>heartbeats: dpkg-buildpackage
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18:36<enriaf>join #ubuntu
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18:36<heartbeats>dpkg-buildpackage
18:36<chealer>patchhenk: hum... is that the last thing in syslog?
18:37<patchhenk>chealer: yes :(
18:37<chealer>patchhenk: anything strange before that?
18:38<heartbeats>how can i build pakages?
18:38<azeem>heartbeats: you just asked that
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18:40<patchhenk>chealer: I tryed the installation from the usbstick many times. A lot of strange thingsd happend. But strange may mean that I didnt check whats going on. I'm a beginner. I'll try the same prozedure with another stick...
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18:42<chealer>patchhenk: does it look like debian-installer sees /dev/sdb as your USB stick or as another device?
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18:47<patchhenk>chealer: detecting hardwae
18:48<patchhenk>hardware, mounting devices sda1, sda2 and so on. by sdb the error comes
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18:49<patchhenk>chealer: the usbstick is sdb
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19:10<patchhenk>chealer: the same error with another usbstick. I have to sleep, the clock will ring in 4 hours. Thanks for your help. I'll continue .... ;)
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19:19<sho-nuff>looking for a program for linux like dreamweaver
19:19<slush>vim
19:19<dr|z3d>sho-nuff: kompozer
19:19<dr|z3d>And maybe bluefish.
19:20<dr|z3d>That said, you can run Dreamweaver in Linux well enough with Wine.
19:21<slush>sorry, that was totally lame
19:22<dr|z3d>Forgiven, this time. Next time, limbs get removed, slush. ;)
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19:25<sho-nuff>thanks gang
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19:34<bittin>has anyone updated their Debian kernel to 2.6.31?
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19:36<dondelelcaro>bittin: again, polls are useless. Someone, somewhere probably has.
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19:38<slush>bittin: u should try the 3.666 kernel
19:38<bittin>!kernels
19:39<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20090915, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.31-git4, mainline 2.6: 2.6.31 , stable 2.6: 2.6.31 , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.7 , stable 2.6.29: 2.6.29.6 , stable 2.6.28: 2.6.28.10 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.34 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.6
19:39<bittin>are there any package somewhere or do i need to compile it?
19:39<bittin>was my real question
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19:40<slush>You can choose to have your own kernel
19:40<themill>judd kernels
19:40<judd>themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
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19:56<bittin>slush: true i can compile it but iam lazy :(
19:56<bittin>ah still just rc6 :(
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20:16<piem>hi. could anyone on a 64bits machine try playing an http stream with alsaplayer? say http://stream2138.init7.net:80
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20:25<adb>piem, works well on vlc
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20:27<piem>adb: great, but i want to know if it plays on alsaplayer :-)
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20:28*piem tries to fix http://bugs.debian.org/508142
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20:52<SSmith>piem: I am able to play the stream
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20:53<sdsdsd>Guys, everytime i click alt+left-mouse-button it try to move a window. How can i disable it?
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20:56<sdsdsd>thanks i have done it
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20:59<piem>SSmith: ok, thanks a lot
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21:12<diego>hi there , Im using debian testing (sid)
21:13<diego>I cant get the microphone to work
21:13<diego>any help
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21:16<diego>hi
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21:17<diego>cant get microphone to work
21:17<diego>any help?
21:20<adb> /msg dpkg sid
21:22<abrotman>what does that have to do with it?
21:22<abrotman>diego: give us more details?
21:23<chealer>diego: debian testing is not sid
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21:26<diego>abrotman: what do you need to know ... so
21:27<diego>alsamixer detects everything
21:27<diego>I have all mic boost, front, front mic boost, line in
21:27<abrotman>what have you tried to test it ?
21:27<diego>capture / digital
21:27<diego>all volumes 100%
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21:29<diego>I really don't know what to try ... everything seems ok
21:30<diego>you know, the weird thing
21:30<diego>volume control always shows mic disabled in both capture and digital
21:30<diego>even I change it
21:30<diego>it changes
21:31<diego>then comes back
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21:34<Woet>is it possible to install the non-free version of 1 package?
21:34<Woet>like, apt-get install unrar --non-free
21:34<Woet>without editing /etc/apt/sources.list
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21:36<abrotman>Woet: download it manually and dpkg -i it ?
21:36<Woet>abrotman: hmm, yea
21:36<Woet>thanks
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21:58<capricorn>hi. where one can get file list for package linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686.deb? I tried official package descriptions, but 'file list' link there lead to a page that told there isn't such package for this architecture
21:59<adb>try -2.6.26-2-686.deb
22:00<abrotman>capricorn: if the package is installed "dpkg -L foo"
22:00<abrotman>like dpkg -L linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686
22:00<Nemoder>capricorn: you could also just download the deb and open it with file-roller to browse through it
22:01<capricorn>adb, thanks for the tip, I can now get the list on the web
22:02<adb>..yw
22:02<capricorn>The package is installed, but I stumbled on the problem during apt-get upgrade: there was a buffer_read error on this file list. And it prevented me from doing anything with any package
22:03<capricorn>I managed to build that list by hand using clues from that original (damaged) file, but now I think keeping my custom file is not a good thing to do
22:06<capricorn>adb, do you know if the list for -2-686 is the same as for -1-686?
22:07<capricorn>I mean, is there a big difference between -1- and -2-?
22:07<adb>the list maybe , but the contents not
22:08<adb>anyways install -2-686 , for security reasons
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22:09<capricorn>hmm. interesting advice. but why doesn't it install automatically during upgrades? I mean, if it's some kind of security update...
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22:15<adb> /msg dpkg security
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22:19<k1lumin4t1>any other tool like this one: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/, for making web-oriented slide shows
22:22<capricorn>adb, thanks again. I see now: I've just switched to testing, but I didn't know I should explicitly state squeeze for security repos in sources.list
22:22<abrotman>you should state squeeze on all your sources
22:23<capricorn>you mean, 'testing' won't do the trick?
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22:24<adb>indeed
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22:25<abrotman>capricorn: you would do better off to state squeeze
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22:27<adb>is an year testing will be an another release (of debian ) , not any more squeeze as today ..
22:28<capricorn>what do you mean by 'is an year'?
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22:29<adb>ah , means "in an year"
22:29<abrotman>adb: you don't know that it will be a year
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22:29<d3co>!hi
22:29<dpkg>hello, d3co
22:30<abrotman>capricorn: if you state squeeze, when squeeze releases, you'll continue tracking what becomes 'stable' .. if you track testing, you'll end up with a rolling/sometimes broken version
22:30<adb>well , in an year or so ..
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22:31<abrotman>adb: stop saying that
22:31<abrotman>capricorn: no need to msg me
22:32<abrotman>it's just that you're tracking a codename .. it generally leads to a better situation for a user (unless htey know exactly why they're doing it)
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22:33<capricorn>abrotman, sorry, it's the first time I ever use IRC, I'm not very familiar with it yet.
22:34<ml|>adb: i agree with you ... 22:27:24 < adb> is an year testing will be an another release (of debian ) , not any more squeeze as today ..
22:34<abrotman>agree how?
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22:40<capricorn>abrotman, you said I might end up with rolling/broken system. But can't it happen just now? I mean, squeeze is still 'testing', so what's the difference? I've read that new 'testing' repo is forked from the one that becomes stable, which means that say in half a year after squeeze becomes stable it'll not as up-to-date as new testing?
22:40<abrotman>capricorn: yes, but generally the period after 'testing' becomes 'stable' becomes a time of instability for the new 'testing'
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22:44<capricorn>so it's a kind of self-preservation strategy? Like staying with squeeze for some time until I can again switch to new 'testing'?
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22:45<abrotman>you can do it that way if you choose
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22:48<capricorn>I think I got it. Well, at least I think I think. Thanks.
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22:49<s3a>when i go to insert object (where you can make exponents etc look "real", how do you make the division line "look real" too? in openoffice.org writer?
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22:53<chealer>s3a: did you ask #openoffice.org ?
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22:54<abrotman>on freenode ?
22:54<s3a>chealer, yes, i actually found my answer on google ---------> {1} over {2} prints a 1/2 fraction
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23:10<xeon-enouf>is that channel still alive? renamed? /me check silly ALIS
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23:12<xeon-enouf>ok wtf is the stupid ALIS command .. i forget
23:12<xeon-enouf> /msg chanserv ALIS #*openoffice*
23:12<xeon-enouf> /msg ALIS #*openoffice*
23:12<xeon-enouf>no bueno
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23:14<xeon-enouf>my $DEITY ... Susan Collins voice! .... all jailed suspected tewworista should be piped and looped her feed .. man .. it hurts even
23:14<Txt_file>I have a problem with openssh. I want to use apubkey, created it and put it to the other system. If I connect with 'ssh -i .ssh/pubkey 192.0.0.0' everything works fine but if I 'ssh 192.0.0.0' ssh tries to use a password and says 'Permission denied (publickey).' So how do I get my ssh to use the pubkey and not the password as default?
23:15<ml|>the server needs to be setup to use keys only
23:16<ml|>PasswordAuthentication no
23:16<Txt_file>is set
23:16<ml|>PubkeyAuthentication yes
23:17<xeon-enouf>Txt_file: see your ~/.ssh/config file
23:17<xeon-enouf>Txt_file: Hosts line
23:17<Txt_file>is set
23:17<Txt_file>I have no ~/.ssh/config
23:17<xeon-enouf>make one .. you should
23:18<xeon-enouf>cat /proc/version
23:18<ml|>Txt_file: try removing the ip ssh-keygen -R ip
23:18<ml|>xeon-enouf: not really need, works fine here without
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23:19<xeon-enouf>ml|: AFAIK, it is ,,, but ok
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23:19<ml|>xeon-enouf: ok, i don't have it so dunno
23:20<Txt_file>i did ssh-keygen -R ip but I get still 'Permission denied (publickey)'
23:20<xeon-enouf>ml|: (from another channel .. -->) /me manufacturers one massive iPoop :-P
23:20<ml|>did you change the login interval?
23:21<ml|>heh
23:21<Txt_file>the weird is that it worked until 1h ago but now I changed all my keys and it's taking the wrong way
23:22<xeon-enouf>Txt_file: when you do 'ssh -i .ssh/pubkey 192.0.0.0' are you root? or a regular user? and whats echo $PWD say?
23:22<Txt_file>ml|: login interval? I don't think so
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23:22<Txt_file>regular user
23:22<ml|>if you made a new key key you need to cp those
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23:22<ml|>to other pc
23:22<xeon-enouf>Txt_file: so cd ~/,ssh ; ls
23:23<Txt_file>I put it with ssh-copy-id to the server
23:23<xeon-enouf>wait, what?
23:23<ml|>it should work then
23:23<xeon-enouf>Txt_file: did you restart sshd on the server? were you ever before asked for passwd?
23:23<ml|>maybe pastebin the sshd_config of the server
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23:24<xeon-enouf>Txt_file: did you generate keys using ssh-keygen? if so, did you tell it no passphrase?
23:25<xeon-enouf>Txt_file: and please cat /proc/version
23:25<Txt_file> xeon-enouf: I changed now (after I put the key there) the sshd-server to not allow passwd-login and I used ssh-keygen without and with passphrase. Same problem
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23:26<Txt_file>cat at wich box?
23:26<kclem>i was wondering if any one has got any debian/ubuntu working on a older Imac models ??
23:26<ml|>did you restart the server after eac config change?
23:27<ml|>*each
23:27<xeon-enouf>restart ssh
23:27<xeon-enouf>Txt_file: why? what OSes are on which boxen?
23:27<Txt_file>I did restart it
23:28<d3co>killssh
23:28<xeon-enouf>Txt_file: cat your client box
23:28<Txt_file>debian/sid/amd64 at desktop and server1 and a debian/etch/i386 at server2
23:28<xeon-enouf>then once you ssh in to server, cat that
23:28<kclem>i take that is a no on getting working on a older i mac
23:28<xeon-enouf>what?
23:29<xeon-enouf>Txt_file: etch had some serious openssl issues
23:29<Txt_file>cat /etc/ssh/sshd_conf: http://paste.debian.net/46648/
23:29<xeon-enouf>!dsa1571
23:29<dpkg>Due to a weakness in a random number generator, keys generated after 2006-09-17 (using openssl 0.9.8c-1 and later) need to be regenerated with a newer openssl (at least 0.9.8c-4etch3). See http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys Updated openssh packages that check for weak keys are also now available. Ask me about <ssl update><dsa1576><ssh-vulnkey><dsa1571 jokes>
23:30<xeon-enouf>Txt_file: i was asking for kernel verions .. et al
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23:30<Txt_file>cat /proc/version: Linux version 2.6.30-1-amd64 (Debian 2.6.30-6) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.4 (Debian 4.3.4-1) ) #1 SMP Sat Aug 15 18:09:19 UTC 2009
23:30<ml|>did you cp the key to correct user and try to connect with user@host?
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23:30<xeon-enouf>kclem: huh?
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23:31<xeon-enouf>Txt_file: good ... ok
23:31<kclem>i am trying to get deb working on a older i mac ... and every tme i finish the install i crash out ( ie it just keeps rebooting or shuts down )
23:31<Txt_file>ml|: sure cause I have the same username at all computers and work without user@ the most time
23:31<xeon-enouf>kclem: is it an 'oldworld' imac? or newworld?
23:32<kclem>i mac g3 400mhz (trangerine Model)
23:32<adb>kclem, i got debian on imac @500 Mhz
23:32<adb>and 266 one
23:32<xeon-enouf>kclem: see #debianppc here .. and on irc.debian,org and the debian-ppc mailing list @ lists.debian,org
23:32<xeon-enouf>bah
23:33<xeon-enouf>kclem: see #debianppc here .. and on irc.freenode.net
23:33<kclem>yeah i did no one is alive there
23:33<xeon-enouf>kclem: debian.org/ports
23:33<ml|>Txt_file: huh?
23:33<Txt_file>ml|: yeah?
23:33<k1lumin4t1>any other tool like this one: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/, for making web-oriented slide shows
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23:35<kclem>i am there right now thats how i got this channel info .. ... i am tryed of YDL 4 .. no more updates on it so i was thinking debian ..
23:35<kclem>but i just cant seem to get it to run
23:37<xeon-enouf>kclem: have you studied the PPC installation guide? when you say 'run', do you mean boot?
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23:38<kclem>yes on the boot .. and reading the guide as we speak again ... the problem i am having is it crashes out one first boot
23:38<xeon-enouf>kclem: 03:23 < kclem> i mac g3 400mhz (trangerine Model) no idea if that is NEW or OLD world .. but OLD world are PITFA
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23:39<adb>it's NEW
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23:39<xeon-enouf>ok, then what ? bootp?
23:39<xeon-enouf>!imac
23:39<dpkg>imac is probably a... err...err *puh* i just know that there exists a Vibrator called iMac, or the name of hair removal cream in .uk, or http://debian-imac.sourceforge.net/
23:39<xeon-enouf>er
23:39<xeon-enouf>!ppc
23:39<dpkg>well, ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc
23:39<xeon-enouf>http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/
23:40<adb>anyways YDL is not debian ..
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23:40<kclem>dpkg i am in debianppc but no one ever talks in there
23:40<dpkg>i haven't a clue, kclem
23:41<xeon-enouf>that too
23:41<lethias>What causes web pages in iceweasel to not show the text of webpages adn have square looking icons? I've got all the language files installed but that didn't fix it for some reason.
23:41<kclem>and yeah know YDL i am done with that thats why i want debain
23:41<xeon-enouf>kclem: they do talk on freenode.net .. i know, i've been
23:42<xeon-enouf>lethias: you mean rectangular boxes where text would be?
23:43<xeon-enouf>lethias: you need to a) install locales, and b) tell iceweasel to render pages using the server's <info>
23:43<lethias>xeon-enouf: yea
23:44<xeon-enouf>!nuke utf-8 and POSIX
23:44*dpkg fires a 60 yottaton thermonuclear weapon at xeon-enouf
23:44<xeon-enouf>!locales
23:44<dpkg>Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale
23:44<lethias>xeon-enouf: lol
23:45<kclem>xeon-enouf .. no i am on both channels you guys are the only one that have even replied to my question
23:45<xeon-enouf>kclem: maybe you need to be more specific?
23:45<xeon-enouf>!ask
23:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
23:46<kclem>lol i have been asking for 3 months now trying to figure this out .. i just wanted to get debian running on this machin e
23:47<Txt_file>xeon-enouf, ml|: still some idea about my ssh-problem?
23:48<lethias>xeon-enouf: that did the trick. Thanks. I think i get linux descently understood then something simple like that gets me. ha ha
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23:52<xeon-enouf>no
23:53<xeon-enouf>lethias: cool
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23:58<ml|>Txt_file: the last thing you said made no sense to me
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