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---Logopened Sat Sep 19 00:00:09 2009
---Daychanged Sat Sep 19 2009
00:00<adb>!beer leper
00:00*dpkg pours a litre of Guinness for leper
00:00<leper>jajaa
00:00<leper>not it isn't beer
00:00<adb>!fglrx one-liner
00:00<dpkg>Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then: "aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe -r radeon drm && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules". Lenny users: Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and specify 'fglrx' for the driver in the Device section (man xorg.conf). Etch users: Run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select fglrx.
00:01<mib_l73ym477>can you build a debiain package from source but not be root
00:01<leper>when i installed yesterday it make the x slower
00:01<adb>than stop useing it lepe
00:01<adb>r
00:01<leper>what may i do??
00:02<adb>wait
00:02<leper>if you can teach me please
00:02<adb>you used bot upper method ?
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00:03<leper>let me try both again
00:03<leper>wait
00:04<adb> try only bot method
00:04<jmarsden>mib_l73ym477: Yes.
00:04<leper>ok here i go
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00:06<bombadil_>hello, i am trying to install debian to an Asus 1005HA netbook, and am having some difficulty
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00:06<bombadil_>i have successfully booted the installer from a USB key (Lenny testing CD 1)
00:07<bombadil_>however it does not detect my ethernet or wifi, and it is asking me where my CD ROM or other media is located. it doesn't seem to be able to go forward with the install from the USB
00:07<bombadil_>it is not the net install disc, it is the full testing CD 1
00:07<bombadil_>has anyone managed to successfully install Debian to their Asus 1005HA?
00:07<adb>!firmware
00:07<dpkg>Firmware (sometimes termed "microcode") is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel modules require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Ask me about <listkeys firmware> and <search> my factoids. Some non-free firmware is available via Debian packages. See also http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware and <installer firmware>.
00:08<adb>bombadil_, ^^
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00:08<adb> bombadil_ /msg dpkg installer firmware
00:09<bombadil_>thanks adb will do :)
00:09<adb>yw
00:09-!-Sebastian_ [~sebastian@port-92-194-53-71.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #debian
00:10<bombadil_>adb, i tried putting the Atheros ethernet drivers on another USB key and then telling the installer to look on external media for the drivers
00:10<bombadil_>but it did not detect them
00:10<bombadil_>do i need to ungzip / tar the file first?
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00:11<adb>no, /msg dpkg ath5k
00:13<adb> bombadil_ /msg dpkg kmuto
00:14<Sebastian_>Hey there, I'm on Lenny and seem to be experiencing a rare glibc-related bug. When I realloc a buffer of X bytes to 2X, a few bytes towards the end of the buffer are being corrupted.
00:14<Sebastian_>Upstream glibc has a patch that is not applied to lenny glibc, and I just wonder about the proper Debian procedure to get this filed and hopefully fixed
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00:15<adb>Sebastian_, check your Ram
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00:15<bombadil_>thank you, adb. will the up to date kernels support my network devices automatically? this is what i had read online and that is why i chose "testing". i will investigate these installers
00:15<leper>abd mate
00:15<leper>it still keep freeze
00:15<Sebastian_>adb: I did, and I am not the only one to report the exact bug
00:16<Sebastian_>The bug is described on http://sources.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10018
00:16<adb>Sebastian_, ask redhat
00:16<adb>leper, so stay on radeonhd ..
00:17<gsimmons>bombadil_: See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Model/1005HA regarding support of the Ethernet and wireless LAN chipset in your netbook; /msg dpkg atl1c
00:17<leper>ok i will try radeon hd now
00:17<Sebastian_>adb: I don't understand, what does Redhat have to do with the glibc that Lenny ships?
00:17<adb>bombadil_, kmuto is your way , don't use testing ..
00:17<leper>!tell me about radeonhd
00:17<leper>see abd i learn faster
00:17<leper>lol
00:18<adb>leper, /msg dpkg selftell
00:18<leper>wow ok
00:18<leper>lol
00:19<bombadil_>thank you sincerely, adb and gsimmons :)
00:19<blendmaster1024>which of these: http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?LH_BIN=1&LH_IncludeSIF=1&_nkw=pci+wifi+card&_trksid=p3286.c0.m301 would you guys recommend most? i'm going to pigtail it out to a dish antenna
00:20<adb>Sebastian_, if you think you right , file a bug report
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00:22<adb>Sebastian_, /msg dpkg bts
00:22<Sebastian_>thanks
00:22<leper>anyone know what is a tarball?
00:23<gsimmons>bombadil_: Ignore the ath5k and firmware factoids sent earlier, your wireless LAN chipset (AR928X) is supported by the ath9k driver.
00:23<blendmaster1024>leper: #1 something you should know about if you use linux, #2 a much better version of a zip, in short
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00:24<adb>Sebastian_, /msg dpkg bug report
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00:24<blendmaster1024>oops, i didn't actually say what it is - it's a file that ends in .tar.gz or .tar.bz2 usually, and can be unpacked at the command like with (respectively) 'tar -xzf file.tar.gz' and 'tar -xjf file.tar.bz2'
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00:24<leper>thank you blendmaster1024, and don't get angry, if i ask it is 'cuz i really don't know it
00:25<adb>leper, /msg dpkg tarball
00:25<blendmaster1024>i'm not angry, i'm informing you it's important, and adb i checked and that's useless info
00:25<adb>leper, usually dpkg just know , so ask him/her first
00:26<leper>i know what is for what i can see, i didn't know the formal name
00:26<leper>=)
00:26<VBStrider>I just installed Debian and I booted into it and logged in for the first time. It appears to be stuck though. I am on a screen with a blue-grey background, and there appears to be a white textbox in the upper left hand corner. The only reason I know it is a textbox is because my cursor changes when I hover over it. Any ideas on how to fix this?
00:26<leper>i asked but bad
00:26<leper>see
00:26<leper>tell me about tarballs
00:26<leper><dpkg> i dunno what is 'tarballs'.
00:26-!-leper was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
00:26<bombadil_>excellent, gsimmons. i am most concerned about my ethernet firmware, as i do not currently have access to a wireless network. i believe the kmuto installer adb pointed me to includes the firmware for my ethernet adapter (AR8132)
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00:26<leper>sorry
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00:27<bombadil_>i.e. atl1c
00:27<adb>heh. learning , /msg dpkg paste
00:27<adb>!eeepc
00:27<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860 eee>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net.
00:29<Sebastian_>adb: Of course, I'd like to verify that the bug goes away with the upstream glibc patch, but I'm not sure how I would proceed with that on Debian. Any advice or a pointer to more reading material would be appreciated.
00:29<gsimmons>bombadil_: The atl1c driver doesn't require firmware from userspace. You will need kernel 2.6.31-rc4 or later in order to actually use it, see Debian bug #538410. No, the kmuto installer won't work for you.
00:29<bombadil_>oh i see, gsimmons
00:30<bombadil_>where do i find or how do i make an installer that uses the 1.6.31-rc4 kernel?
00:30<bombadil_>*2
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00:34<blendmaster1024>which of these pci wifi cards: http://tinyurl.com/mckpo8 would you guys recommend
00:35<adb>Sebastian_, maybe check http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ or some mailing list
00:37<bombadil_>i found this: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel --- reading
00:37<blendmaster1024>oh, for debian of course, i didnt say that, oops. bombadil_, that kernel is anceint
00:37<Sebastian_>ah hey, sid already patches this
00:38<Sebastian_>I guess this wouldn't be fixed in Lenny anyways
00:38<bombadil_>blendmaster1024 hehe i meant to say 2.6.31 :)
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00:45<bombadil_>does anyone know where i can find a Debian installer that uses the 2.6.31-rc4 or 2.6.31-rc5 kernel?
00:45<blendmaster1024>pretty sure youd have to build one
00:45<bombadil_>thought so... haha... arg :)
00:47<blendmaster1024>!tell bombadil_ about make-kpkg
00:48<blendmaster1024>with that you could make a debian-live cd pretty easily that has an installer on it
00:48<bombadil_>interesting
00:48<bombadil_>ty
00:49<adb>bombadil_, i tried myself but no luck ..
00:49<bombadil_>you were unable to build one, adb?
00:49<adb>no
00:49<blendmaster1024>*well, in theory. i won't guarantee it, such things are finnicky when you mess with them in such ways
00:50<bombadil_>what was the problem adb?
00:50<adb>some .h not fonded , even they were here
00:51<blendmaster1024>yeah... kernel build is a finnicky thing in my experience
00:51<bombadil_>what i find strange is that in this blog post: http://vatzec.wordpress.com/2009/09/05/debian-on-asus-eee-pc-1005ha/ the fellow says he was able to install using Debian testing and it supported his ethernet and wifi
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00:51<bombadil_>this was about two weeks ago
00:52<adb>bombadil_, so give a try ..
00:53<bombadil_>i did, it is the method i described when i entered the channel
00:53<gsimmons>bombadil_: No, it says nothing about supporting Ethernet. It simply states the hardware within the device.
00:53<VBStrider>I just installed Debian and I booted into it and logged in for the first time. It appears to be stuck though. I am on a screen with a blue-grey background, and there appears to be a white textbox in the upper left hand corner. The only reason I know it is a textbox is because my cursor changes when I hover over it. Any ideas on how to fix this?
00:53<bombadil_>gsimmons: it says the ath9k drivers should be merged into the kernel
00:54<gsimmons>bombadil_: Yes, which is for wireless LAN. Which you previously stated is unavailable to you.
00:54<bombadil_>i just realized what you meant
00:54<bombadil_>good point...
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00:56<bombadil_>dpkg bot told me that the atl1c drivers have been "Included in mainline since kernel 2.6.30" -- does that mean that they are merged into the 2.6.30 kernel and beyond?
00:56<dpkg>bombadil_: that's too long
00:56<bombadil_>haha
00:58<gsimmons>bombadil_: The driver entered mainline at 2.6.30, but patches required to make it work with some hardware (such as yours) were applied in 2.6.31-rc4.
01:03<bombadil_>i see :(
01:03<gsimmons>bombadil_: One solution is to install Lenny via a CD/DVD image, then manually acquire/transfer/install a trunk kernel image package (e.g. 2.6.31-rc6) to enable use of your Ethernet adapter. Unfortunately, kernel-archive.buildserver.net is currently down.
01:04<bombadil_>gsimmons, is that the only place to acquire the newest kernel?
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01:05<bombadil_>or i mean, a trunk kernel image package of the latest kernel?
01:05<blendmaster1024>of course not, the best place is kernel.org ... or do you mean a compiled package?
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01:06<bombadil_>a trunk kernel image package which i can install on a working system
01:06<bombadil_>i guess
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01:23<Sebastian_>adb: ok, so the fix for the bug is in the eglibc package for Squeeze. I suppose there wouldn't be a version of the glibc package for Lenny as this bug is very rare? Or is there some realistic chance to get this fixed in Lenny?
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01:26<war>i cannot change my screen resolution, can anyone help??
01:26<adb>Sebastian_, i don't think , Lenny is freezed
01:26<Sebastian_>ok, I guessed so.
01:27<Sebastian_>Thanks for your input
01:27<adb>only if a security think is araized
01:27<adb>you welcome Sebastian_
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01:29<adb>K45P3R, come beck to debian
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01:36<leper>hello i'm back
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01:36<leper>i have insatalled the ati catalyst
01:36<leper>yupi!!
01:37-!-mode/#debian [+l 358] by debhelper
01:38<leper>clear
01:38<leper>but now i have another problem
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01:41<bombadil_>what is your opinion of Ubuntu (to anyone who is reading this) ?
01:42<war>i cannot change my screen resolution, can anyone help??
01:42<adb>!Ubuntu is offtopic here
01:42<dpkg>is offtopic here: Please take your Ubuntu question to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net as they are able to help you much better with Ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian, #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced Ubuntu users.
01:42<jackyf>bombadil_: -> #debian-offtopic
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01:42<bombadil_>i see, thanks for telling me
01:42<bombadil_>sorry !
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01:45<leper>adb
01:45<leper>mate
01:45<adb>?
01:45<leper>sorry for bother again but i have a lil cuestion
01:45<leper>do you know emerald?
01:45<adb>ask
01:46<adb>!compiz
01:46<dpkg>Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz . http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net.
01:46<leper>but emerald is the same?
01:46<adb>obsolete
01:46<adb>use compiz
01:46<leper>a ok
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01:50<leper>i have installed all
01:50<leper>but don't appear where config
01:53<war>i cannot change my screen resolution, can anyone help??
01:54<adb>leper, AIGLX is working now ?
01:54<leper>how i check it?
01:55<adb>grep AIGLX /var/log/Xorg.0.log
01:56<adb>war, check System> Preferences> Screen Resolution
01:56<leper>ok
01:57<adb>ok what? it is there ?
01:57<war>adb: it doe not give me any options to change resolution there
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01:57<war>adb: it missing something,...
01:57<byaku>oh
01:58<byaku>Linux
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01:58<adb>war, xrandr , says
01:58<leper>http://paste.debian.net/46967/
01:59<leper>that appears adb mate
01:59<adb>so AIGLX is there ?
01:59<leper>yeah
01:59<leper>that appears
02:00<leper>http://paste.debian.net/46967/
02:00<adb>leper, logout /log in and will have compiz working
02:01<leper>killall gdm?
02:01<war>adb: http://paste.debian.net/46968
02:01<adb>leper, try it ..
02:01<leper>ok
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02:02<adb>war, 1024 x 768, is ok , i thought?
02:03<war>adb: its a good res but I'm just confused to why I dont have the option to change it?
02:03<adb> change in what ?
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02:03<leper>ok
02:04<leper>but doesn't appear the config menu
02:04<war>adb: I cant change the resolution, it gives me zero options in the "list box" of different resolutions
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02:07<adb>war, trick your xorg.conf
02:07<adb>leper, "cube" is working ?
02:07<leper>my friend
02:07<leper>i don't have the configure options
02:07<leper>it doesn't appear on menu
02:07<leper>and don't know how to call it
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02:08<adb>leper, "cube" must works w/o any configure ..
02:09<leper>how i may the cube?
02:09<leper>may do
02:09<adb> /msg dpkg compiz
02:10<adb>install compizconfig-settings-manager
02:11<adb>compizconfig-backend-gconf
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02:12<adb> apt-cache search compiz
02:13<leper>how can i install all that list that appears next of apt-cache search?
02:13<adb>useing gnome ?
02:13<adb>useing gnome ?
02:13<adb>ops
02:14<adb>not all , just relative to gnome , i suppose
02:15<leper>yes i'm on it
02:15<adb>not forget compiz-fusion*
02:16<leper>why ?
02:16<leper>don't work on gnome?
02:16<adb>reread bot message see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details
02:16<wnd>leper, you probably don't want to do that, but if you insist that you want to install every single package your apt-cache search returns, here's one way to do that: aptitude install $(apt-cache search foo | cut -d' ' -f1)
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02:18<leper>nono just asking wnd =) thank you
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02:19<leper>i have installed the package for gnome
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02:42<leper>i'm back
02:42<leper>adb cube don't work
02:43<leper>when i write compiz on the console it doesn't work ok
02:43<adb>what's the error ?
02:44<leper>xgl
02:44<leper>it tell me about that
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02:47<adb>!aiglx
02:47<dpkg>aiglx is, like, an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Fucks up responsiveness badly with proprietary nvidia drivers ( Under load ). Don't use it if you want to get work done. ...
02:47<adb>paste your xorg.conf
02:48<leper>ok
02:48<leper>!paste
02:48<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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02:50<leper>adb here is http://paste.debian.net/46969/
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02:50<adb>dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-glx , say is installed ?
02:50<dpkg>ii libgl1-mesa-glx , say is installed 3.3-12 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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02:51<leper>yes it is installed
02:52<leper>libgl1-mesa-glx ya está en su versión más reciente.
02:52<leper>is in his more recently version
02:52<leper>in its
02:52<leper>jaja
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02:54<adb>mesa-utils is installed ?
02:54<leper>yes
02:54<leper>installed
02:55<adb>glxinfo says ?
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02:57<leper>!paste
02:57<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
02:58<leper>here is http://paste.debian.net/46970/
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03:00<adb>so direct rendering: Yes . good
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03:02<K45P3R>brb
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03:03<leper>so
03:03<leper>what can be the problem?
03:03<adb>leper, add that to xorg.conf http://paste.debian.net/46971/
03:04<majhool>what's the trouble?
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03:05<leper>done
03:05<adb>restart X
03:05<leper>ok
03:05<leper>wait me
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03:08<leper>adb
03:08<leper>done
03:08<leper>now what i have to do?
03:08<adb>no cube ?
03:09<leper>nope
03:09<leper>no cube
03:10<adb>ok, change nothing in xorg.conf and reboot the machine
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03:11<leper>what change?
03:11<adb>leper, but before that paste again xorg
03:12<adb>said " change nothing "
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03:12<leper>ok
03:12<leper>another past
03:12<leper>ok
03:12<leper>!paste
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03:12<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
03:12<majhool>why reboot?
03:13<adb>sometimes it help ..
03:14<majhool>i guess if the video card were left in a weird state by a misconfiguration, but in my experience that usually results in either completely garbled output or none at all
03:14<majhool>is he trying to get compiz to work correctly
03:14<majhool>?
03:14<adb>yes with aiglx
03:15<majhool>ok
03:15<majhool>what card?
03:15<majhool>i915?
03:15<adb>radeonhd
03:16<majhool>ok
03:16<adb>http://paste.debian.net/46969/
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03:16<leper>!paste
03:16<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
03:17<slush>!tell leper about selftell
03:17<slush>!tell leper about enter
03:17<leper>adb http://paste.debian.net/46972/
03:17<leper>here is
03:18<majhool>can he run any other program that requires opengl?
03:18<majhool>like glxgears?
03:18<K45P3R>I am having a bit of a problem right now ... I am connected to the net but cannot resolve nameservers I can only connect to ip's
03:18<K45P3R>where can I fix that in Debian
03:18<majhool>K45P3R: /etc/resolv.conf is the config file for dns servers
03:19<K45P3R>hmm
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03:19<K45P3R># Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)
03:19<K45P3R># DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
03:19<K45P3R>nameserver 192.168.1.254
03:19<leper>hello majhool
03:19<adb>majhool, leper glxinfo get direct rendering
03:19<K45P3R>search gateway.2wire.net
03:19<K45P3R>that is what mine says
03:19<K45P3R>how can I fix it so that it resolves google.com
03:19<majhool>K45P3R: make sure your gateway has dns forwarding correctly set up
03:19<K45P3R>it should ...
03:20<K45P3R>I mean it works on everything else
03:20<leper>that is bad adb?
03:20<adb>no no is ok
03:21<leper>aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, videos on yotube see frozen
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03:21<majhool>K45P3R: you can also copy one of the dns servers from its status page and replace the 192.168.1.254 in resolv.conf w/ it, to see if that works
03:22<majhool>K45P3R: that's more a test to make sure things work
03:22<cahoot>or config dhcp
03:22<K45P3R>how do I configure dhcp ?
03:22<majhool>K45P3R: since resolvconf seems to be managing your resolv.conf, you should investigate that
03:23<majhool>adb: the libraries may be screwy
03:23<K45P3R>and where is the status page ?
03:23<majhool>K45P3R: i'd go to 192.168.1.254 and dig around
03:23<adb>maybe majhool
03:23<K45P3R>I think this is a settings problem
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03:23<K45P3R>I am connected here talking to you
03:23<K45P3R>and on messenger and it is working perfectly there
03:23<majhool>K45P3R: again, i'd investigate resolvconf
03:23<adb>leper, grep dri2 /var/log/Xorg.0.log , says ?
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03:24<cahoot>K45P3R: look at /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf - possibly set 'prepend domain-name-servers #.#.#.#;
03:25<majhool>where #.#.#.# is the ip address of one of your isp's dns servers
03:25<leper>adb here is http://paste.debian.net/46973/
03:25<adb>leper, stop trying yutube for now ..
03:25<leper>ok
03:25<adb>leper, no EE in last command ?
03:26<majhool>adb: i wonder if perhaps compiz itself isn't set up correctly?
03:26<adb>maybe too , i try a reboot of the pc
03:26<majhool>adb: did he run the frontend that lets you select plugins etc already?
03:27<majhool>leper: do other programs that require 3d acceleration work, like glxgears?
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03:27<adb>majhool, i don't think so > frontend
03:28<majhool>adb: ok
03:28<adb> 09:25:19 <adb> leper, no EE in last command ? , still waiting..
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03:30<majhool>leper: grep '^(EE)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
03:30<majhool>K45P3R: did you install resolvconf for any specific reason? it might be a good idea to remove it
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03:32<leper>give me a second please
03:33<majhool>leper: you might rewrite that to
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03:33<majhool>grep '^(EE)\|^(WW)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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03:37<leper_>majhool glxgears appeared a windows and it stay on black, and then the system get frozen and i has to reboot
03:38<majhool>leper_: uh oh
03:38<leper_>wait reboot again
03:38<K45P3R>majhool: I never installed resolvconf
03:39<K45P3R>in fact I am testing this Live DVD and I compiled a wireless driver and installed it
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03:39<K45P3R>and it clearly works
03:39<K45P3R>this is a settings problem
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03:39<majhool>K45P3R: right, well, resolvconf requires additional settings, and i'm wondering if it's necessary for you, so removing it means you don't have to worry about those settings
03:39<K45P3R>I wanted to test this distro to find out if I could get all of my hardware to work before installing it only to find out that that not all hardware is supported
03:39<K45P3R>hehe
03:40<K45P3R>how do I remove it ?
03:40<majhool>K45P3R: well, are you booted off the live dvd right now?
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03:40<leper_>that glxgears
03:40<K45P3R>majhool: yes
03:40<K45P3R>this is for testing purposes btw
03:40<majhool>K45P3R: and was the resolv.conf output you showed me earlier from the dvd or from the partition with the installation?
03:41<K45P3R>dvd
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03:41<leper_>make graphical slower like before that i installed the driver
03:41<majhool>K45P3R: ok, so the live dvd's resolv.conf works, and its makers have their reasons for including resolvconf(8)
03:41<K45P3R>yes
03:42<majhool>K45P3R: can you mount the root partition of the drive that has debian on it and pastebin its resolv.conf?
03:42<majhool>leper_: it slowed things down or it crashed your computer?
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03:42<majhool>leper_: if it crashed then have issues with your opengl libraries
03:43<majhool>leper_: could you pastebin the entirety of Xorg.0.log?
03:43<leper_>glxyears crashed
03:43<leper_>here is the paste of Xorg.0.log http://paste.debian.net/46974/
03:43<leper_>after system crashdown for the glxgears it becomes slower again
03:44<K45P3R>root@sidux:/etc# cat resolv.conf
03:44<K45P3R># Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)
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03:44<K45P3R># DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
03:44<K45P3R>nameserver 192.168.1.254
03:44<K45P3R>search gateway.2wire.net
03:44<K45P3R>that is what resolv.conf says majhool
03:44<leper_>adb here is paste of the log http://paste.debian.net/46974/
03:44<majhool>K45P3R: did you mount the hard drive that has debian installed on it?
03:44<K45P3R>there isn't one
03:44<majhool>ok
03:44<K45P3R>this is from a live DVD
03:45<majhool>K45P3R: ok, i'm sorry. in what capacity does dns not work?
03:45<K45P3R>well I can connect to irc and to kopete
03:46<K45P3R>if I type google.com in iceweasel it doesn't work
03:46<K45P3R>if I type the ip address of google it works
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03:47<majhool>K45P3R: when you connected to irc did you type in the ip address of a server?
03:47<K45P3R>server
03:47<K45P3R>and then it resolves on the irc server to an ip
03:48<K45P3R>and when I unplugged the ethernet earlier I guess it kept cycling until it started trying ip addresses
03:48<K45P3R>and it connected to one
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03:48<majhool>K45P3R: so you did not have to enter the ip address of a server to connect to irc?
03:48<adb>leper_, log said : "maybe driver kernel module missing or bad " use m-a to compile
03:49<adb>leper_, /msg dpkg m-a
03:49<majhool>leper_: yeah, adb's right
03:50<majhool>leper_: lines 273-352 show that there's no device for the video card in /dev
03:50<majhool>leper_: did you install the fglrx kernel module?
03:50<leper_>i have install all that appear on the how to
03:51<majhool>K45P3R: does echo 'GET /' | nc google.com 80 dump out the source for the google homepage
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03:51<majhool>leper_: lsmod | grep fglrx
03:51<leper_>nothing appear
03:51<K45P3R>root@sidux:/etc/network# echo 'GET /' | nc google.com 80
03:52<K45P3R>bash: nc: command not found
03:52<K45P3R>bash: echo: write error: Broken pipe
03:52<adb>leper_, that's packages for compiz , now you needs kernel module
03:52<majhool>good lord
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03:52<leper_> aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare <--- i did that
03:53<majhool>leper_: aah, you also have to get the fglrx source code
03:54<majhool>K45P3R: telnet google.com 80
03:54<majhool>then type GET /
03:54<adb>ok , check to compile fglrx , leper_ add deb-src to sources.list ..
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03:54<majhool>leper_: aptitude install fglrx-source
03:55<K45P3R>majhool: I have no telnet
03:55<majhool>my god
03:55<majhool>what live cd is this
03:55<K45P3R>I know
03:55<K45P3R>Sidux
03:55<leper_>deb-src
03:55<K45P3R>sidux.com has more info about it
03:55<leper_>just that i agree to sources?
03:55<leper_>no direction?
03:55<adb>i doubt leper_ has source
03:57<adb>deb-src http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/debian/ squeeze main
03:57<majhool>K45P3R: i'm curious if this is a misconfiguration with iceweasel since your dns seems to be working fine
03:57<K45P3R>possible
03:57<K45P3R>although ...
03:57<K45P3R>ping doesn't work with google.com
03:58<K45P3R>I tried it
03:58<K45P3R>and then tried the ip
03:58<K45P3R>the ip works
03:58<leper_>agreeded
03:58<leper_>aptitude install fglrx-source maded, but nothing happened
03:59<K45P3R>sidux@sidux:~/hybrid_wl$ ping www.google.com
03:59<K45P3R>ping: unknown host www.google.com
03:59<K45P3R>surely there must be a configuration file where I can set this to resolve the hostnames to their dynamic names
04:00<majhool>leper_: you need build and install it using m-a
04:00<locklace>K45P3R: /etc/resolv.conf
04:00<majhool>http://manuelmarano.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/installing-ati-8423-fglrx-propietary-driver-on-a-debian-unstable-sid-box/
04:00<K45P3R>what would I type to make eth1 resolve hostnames
04:00<leper_>m-a done appears a blue box on console
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04:00<cahoot>K45P3R: now if you run a sidux liveDVD you're really asking in the wrong place
04:00<adb>leper_
04:01<leper_>yes?
04:01<K45P3R>naaa it is Debian
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04:01<LepeR>xD!
04:01<K45P3R>it isn't based upon Debian but "is" Debian Sid
04:01<adb>added the deb-src line ?
04:01<K45P3R>it is just Sid with bugfixes in it
04:01<K45P3R>and the live DVD hasn't been updated yet
04:01<LepeR>yes i did it
04:01<cahoot><K45P3R> sidux@sidux:~/hybrid_wl$ ping www.google.com
04:01<K45P3R>since it is a stable version
04:01<K45P3R>yeah but as I said it is debian
04:01<cahoot>my mistake
04:01<K45P3R>ubuntu is based upon debian so there is a big difference
04:02<K45P3R>sidux@sidux:~/hybrid_wl$ cat /etc/debian_version
04:02<K45P3R>squeeze/sid
04:02<locklace>!sidux
04:02<dpkg>methinks sidux is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux on irc.oftc.net.
04:02<majhool>and there you have it
04:03<LepeR>!ubuntu
04:03<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
04:03<K45P3R>after you install this from the live DVD you are supposed to update it and then most of the tools and packages in it should be current
04:03<adb>LepeR, do , aptitude update
04:03<LepeR>done
04:03<K45P3R>this isn't debian though btw
04:03<K45P3R>well it is but isn't
04:03<K45P3R>was trying to say
04:03<K45P3R>this isn't ubuntu
04:03<adb>LepeR, run m-a
04:03<K45P3R>but is more debian than ubuntu is
04:03<LepeR>done
04:04<adb>K45P3R, go sidux man
04:04<cahoot>K45P3R: that's like being almost virgin
04:04<K45P3R>Linux version 2.6.30-1.slh.3-sidux-686 (Debian 2.6.30-10) (s.l-h@gmx.de) (gcc version 4.3.3 (Debian 4.3.3-13) ) #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Jul 6 23:23:33 UTC 2009
04:04<LepeR>!mint
04:04<dpkg>Linux Mint is a distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not Debian and we are unable to assist. http://linuxmint.com/forum http://www.linuxmint.com/ #linuxmint on irc.spotchat.org. See also <based on Debian>.
04:04<LepeR>!puppy
04:05<cahoot>!tell LepeR about selftell
04:05<locklace>!smack LepeR
04:05*dpkg smacks LepeR upside the head.
04:05<LepeR>ok sorry don't get mad
04:05<adb>LepeR, compile fglrx kernel module , stop other thing
04:05<K45P3R>I think maybe sidux is closer to experimental debian
04:06<adb>!ops troll
04:06<K45P3R>but not official debian
04:06<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: adb complains about: troll
04:06<adb>K45P3R, ^^
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04:06<K45P3R>what ?
04:06<LepeR>how i do it ?
04:06<LepeR>what option or m.a
04:06<LepeR>m-a
04:07<adb>go in and see
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04:12<bombadil_>got ethernet working :) i just installed the drivers from atheros.com
04:12<bombadil_>manually, that is !
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04:12<K45P3R>I'm trying to get my system to use dhcp when I type in a .com
04:12<K45P3R>it reads ip addresses
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04:12<K45P3R>it just doesn't read .com's
04:13<adb>K45P3R, go sidux man
04:13<K45P3R>this seems like it should be really easy to fix and in fact I've fixed it before but it was a long time ago so I cannot remember what I did
04:13<K45P3R>I've asked them and their advice didn't help
04:14<K45P3R>and then I get scolded for asking how to edit the config file
04:14<K45P3R>in either chan
04:14<K45P3R>kind of frustrating
04:14<K45P3R>I'm trying though
04:14<K45P3R>hopefully I will figure this out
04:14<adb>K45P3R, try harder
04:14<K45P3R>there is no try harder
04:14<K45P3R>this is as hard as it gets
04:14<adb>K45P3R, here you trolling
04:14<K45P3R>no
04:14<K45P3R>I am asking for help
04:14<adb>yes
04:15<cahoot>K45P3R: try echo 'nameserver 208.67.222.222' >> /etc/resolv.conf
04:15<K45P3R>and being scolded
04:15<LepeR>adb what option
04:15<majhool>did you read the man pages
04:15<K45P3R>couldn't find them on this
04:15<LepeR>list search get build install
04:15<LepeR>i think search?
04:15<adb> fglrx module
04:15<adb>..
04:15<majhool>he should do sed -i 's/192.168.1.254/208.67.222.222/' /etc/resolv.conf
04:15<themill>K45P3R: please ask your own distro's help channel
04:15<K45P3R>ok
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04:16<K45P3R>well you know this was in the default konversation channel list for sidux's live dvd install as if maybe you guys might help me but whatever
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04:16<LepeR>adb look
04:16<LepeR>acerhk, acx100, affix, alsa, arla-modules, at76c503a, │
04:16<LepeR> │ bcm4400, bcm5700, broadcom-sta
04:16<LepeR>just appear those
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04:17<majhool>http://sidux.com/
04:17<majhool>http://sidux.com/module-Content-view-pid-1.html
04:17<majhool>there we go
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04:22<LepeR>guys
04:22<LepeR>i have to go
04:23<LepeR>thank you so much adb
04:23<adb>LepeR, do m-a in full screen terminal , go in select list , use down arrow to fglrx .., check it , compile it etc ..
04:23<LepeR>ok
04:26<LepeR>done adb
04:26<LepeR>but tomorrow we do it
04:26<LepeR>now is too late
04:26<LepeR>here is 0430 am
04:26<LepeR>thank you for all your help mate =) really
04:27<LepeR>thank you too majhool
04:27<adb>here 10:26:18 am . ye
04:27<adb>yw
04:27<LepeR>bye bye mate =) really too many thank for you, i learn a lot today =) bye bye
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04:32<frood>hey guys
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04:36<frood>top shows % CPU usage by the system and by the user seperately. Is there a way to see which processes are system processes and which are user ones?
04:37<raboof>frood: that's not the distinction: one process uses both system and user cpu time
04:37<raboof>frood: when a process makes a call to the kernel to do something, the time spent in the kernel for that process is 'system time'
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04:39<frood>raboof: i see. so if my "User+Sys" cpu usage has grown whilst my "User" CPU usage has stayed level, its likely that the system is just under more use?
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04:42<raboof>frood: yes, that means the processes are spending more time on kernel tasks (for example I/O)
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04:44<frood>raboof: ahh i see. thanks for your help :)
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05:01<MTM>hello! can I ask a stupid newbie question involving VMware installation in debian
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05:02<locklace>!ask
05:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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05:05<MTM>My problem is that when I try to get the vmware package I get error saying (freely translated): error cannot verify www.vmvare.com certifikate
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05:06<MTM>Can I somehow force it to accept vmware.com certificate?
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05:15<s4br3>MTM, I read something about vmware 32bit 64bit conflicts. Maybe someone else knows more.
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05:19<InkBottle>Hi, I lost +my+ password for perso-ftp.orange.fr/my_name :) Do you know a tool to crack the password?
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05:24<MTM>s4br3 im using wget to get the file, but i cant download it. I cant even install it, it says it cant verify the SSL certificate in vmware.com
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05:28<soumya>hmm
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05:32<oznt>hi guys, my synaptics touch pad is misbehaving after upgrading xserver. I remember seeing a note in the changelog about this, but I can't find my notes about this. Any one has an idea how do I find which packages where installed in a certain range of dates ?
05:33<cahoot>oznt: in /var/log/dpkg.log?
05:33<cahoot>oznt: aptitude logs too
05:33<oznt>cahoot, it is that simple ha ? wow, i love debian :-)
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05:38<EmleyMoor>Is there a GUI DVD authoring tool in Debian/dwmm?
05:38<EmleyMoor>dmmL
05:39<EmleyMoor>Damn my typing
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05:41*EmleyMoor downloads a few
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05:44<floodbot1>Hello
05:44<floodbot1>HELLO EVERYBODY HOW ARE YOU TODAY?!?!?!!
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05:44<floodbot2>Hello
05:44<floodbot1>HELLO EVERYBODY HOW ARE YOU TODAY?!?!?!!
05:44<floodbot2>HELLO EVERYBODY HOW ARE YOU TODAY?!?!?!!
05:44<floodbot1>HELLO EVERYBODY HOW ARE YOU TODAY?!?!?!!
05:44<floodbot2>HELLO EVERYBODY HOW ARE YOU TODAY?!?!?!!
05:44<floodbot1>HELLO EVERYBODY HOW ARE YOU TODAY?!?!?!!
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05:45<dr|z3d>!ops say hello to floodbot
05:45<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: dr|z3d complains about: say hello to floodbot
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05:47<Ese>so, I can't add new bluetooth devices to my notebook
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05:48<Ese>when I click on configure new device nothing happens
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05:59<s4br3>Hi, I run Debian Sid, but cannot get hw 3D working properly with fglrx.
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06:01<s4br3>glxinfo, show that DRI is activated but no OpenGL app is working at full speed.
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06:04<ogzy>anybody knows where the debian berkeley db is under the file structure?
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06:04<ogzy>i mean the db where file index is kept
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06:05<mjt>it's where you placed it
06:05<mjt>berkeley db is a library
06:06<mjt>you create the database in any place you of your choice
06:06<cyres>morsche
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06:08<stick_jockey>I wish to know is that is there anyway apt can search its currently installed packages and compare them against available packages in the repository and tell me if there are ones not in the repository, ie I want to see what are the packages I installed from external .deb files not in the sources.
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06:09<themill>stick_jockey: /msg dpkg which repo
06:09<themill>stick_jockey: or more precisely to your question of which packages are not in any apt repository, /msg dpkg obsolete
06:11<stick_jockey>themill: For example, I once installed openoffice.org from the .deb available from the OO site as they were newer. I want to know is there anyway I can get apt to show me those files, ie which i installed form external .deb's
06:12<stick_jockey>I just want apt to say something like "hey, you have installed openoffice-blahblah packages which are not in the default repository"
06:12<themill>stick_jockey: apt doesn't know where the .deb came from, but it knows if it can go and download the .deb right now for you.
06:13<themill>stick_jockey: So things that you installed using "dpkg -i" like OOo will normally be in the output of "aptitude search ~o"
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06:13<stick_jockey>themill: Thanks
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06:13<themill>stick_jockey: beware that the output of that command will also include locally compile packages such as fglrx/nvidia video drivers so you don't want to just remove all of them.
06:14<stick_jockey>themill:thanks
06:14<themill>stick_jockey: (and for future reference, things like openoffice.org normally make it onto backports.org so that you can grab updated packages for some things but keep running stable. /msg dpkg bpo)
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06:14<stick_jockey>themill:I will just play about with it and see
06:15<stick_jockey>themill: Excellent, I was not aware of it being available at backports.org
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06:18<ogzy> /msg dpkg which repo
06:18<ogzy>ups
06:18<KingKong2009>FYI, I was having problems with out of sync time in Debian with a 2nd hand Asus mobo, installed a new Panasonic battery rather than the original Newsun and installed ntp, now the time is accurate in debian
06:19<ogzy>themill: there is a berkeleydb that apt/dpkg uses for indexing packages, right?
06:19<mjt>KingKong2009: the battery is used only when the computer isn't powered on
06:19<mjt>KingKong2009: even if it's turned off but connected to the wall socket the battery isn't used
06:20<ogzy>indeed i am just looking for the general db which apt/dpkg uses for indexing the packages, which may be being used for apt-cache search also
06:20<mjt>ogzy: /var/lib/apt and /var/cache/apt
06:21<KingKong2009>mjt, Oh I see the battery must have been weak cause everytime I powered off for a couple of hours the time would go back a few hours
06:21<themill>ogzy: /var/lib/apt/lists/* and /var/lib/dpkg/*
06:21<mjt>KingKong2009: that's indeed bad battery
06:23<ogzy>mjt: i didnt see and db under /var/lib/dpkg/
06:23<mjt>ogzy: and?
06:23<mjt>ogzy: i didn't mention /var/lib/dpkg/
06:23<ogzy>mjt: and = any
06:23<ogzy>mjt: a sorry
06:24<mjt>heh
06:25<themill>ogzy: much of it plain text files not a db as such. There's /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin but I have nfc what the bin format is.... "apt-get source apt" would tell you though...
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06:35<ogzy>themill: i was checking what that bin is, so i am wondering whether dpkg is using berkeley db or not
06:36<themill>ogzy: I don't believe so. dpkg has essentially no dependencies at all and neither apt nor dpkg depend on the bdb packages.
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06:37<ogzy>themill: so where is the repo indexes are kept, they are kept as plain texts?
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06:41<mjt>/var/cache/apt/*cache.bin are the indexes used by apt and aptitude
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06:41<mjt>dpkg does not keep any indexes
06:41<dpkg>mjt: are you smoking crack?
06:42<mjt>thanks ;)
06:42<frood>haha
06:42<mjt>dpkg you stupid bot
06:42<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
06:43<krishnan>hello
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06:51<MTM>I figured it out. WHen it says it cant verify SSL certificate I just gave it a command ^a
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07:07<oznt>hi guys, I've fixed my problems with synaptics after the xserver upgrade. But I can't stop the touchpad from enabling two finger scrolling. That's annoying, anyone has a clue what to do ?
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07:14<InkBottle>Hi, I look for a application that would be like a large panel on the left of my screen, in which I could put things (great idea isn't it?); This might be what we call a "dock" (or it might not be). Maybe also something with "embedded x-server like zephyr" (I mean putting a small terminal window in a place where a window is not supposed to be). Suggestions, links, pictures, videos, keywords would be welcome
07:15<InkBottle>increase productivity having less windows
07:15<InkBottle>but rather not with the Ion ans sequel solution
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07:15<InkBottle>I'm now googling "dock debian"
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07:17<fanuc98>before I continue, I really need help. I am trying to install my nvidia drivers, I have apt-got everything and I know how to exit gdm....but it said that my compiler was not the same as my kernel and my kernel would reject it....something about setting cc enviornment.
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07:17<witte>!nvidia
07:17<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
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07:19<witte>fanuc98: normally it is quite straightforward if you follow the correct howto (and the one on the wiki should be a good one ;-))
07:19<fanuc98>Hmmm. I have a .sh that nvidia has....I was attempting to run it.... :/
07:19<InkBottle>fanuc98: question what version of "nvidia solution" have you chosen?
07:20<fanuc98>Not sure....Honestly, the last time I did this, I screwed my xserver.
07:20<fanuc98>I want to do it, I want to do it right, and I want to do it once... :/
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07:21<witte>fanuc98: the debian way is as described in the thing dpkg told
07:22<witte>the non-debian way is described in "/msg dpkg nvidia-installer"
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07:23<fanuc98>Hmmm
07:23<fanuc98>feck
07:23<witte>fanuc98: I would advise the debian way, but it is up to you ;-)
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07:23<fanuc98>I already figured that, and the debian way is going to take me sobering up and reading "ALOT" more....ugh, but I want to play planeshift! cry. LMAO
07:24<fanuc98>Anyone want to walk me through the debian way? =D
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07:24<fanuc98>I'm running a nvidia 8000 series
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07:25<InkBottle>fanuc98: because there is three solutions for nvidia cards, among which only one is nvidia proprietary driver; for this last solution, the "debian way" works not too bad (I recommend that you also use, for this situation, the nvidia configuring (proprietary), tool)
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07:28<witte>fanuc98: if you don't want to read, just do this (but there is a reason there is a lot of text on the page): /msg dpkg nivdia m-a
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07:30<fanuc98>Thank you, everyone, but I think I am going to go to the store, get some beer, and stick to my MUD for now.....and read this, and figure it out later. (Once I'm sober....I DO not want to hose my X again. :/
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07:30<fanuc98>Thank you all, and everything has been logged and noted. =D
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07:55<witte>anyone else having problems with ooffice in unstable. I get a "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'com::sun::star::uno::RuntimeException'", and I don't seem to find a related but
07:56<witte>s/but/bug/
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07:59<brunner>how can I pipe stdout to a file and the console at the same time?
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08:00<themill>tee
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08:02<brunner>thanks
08:03<themill>(think a T-piece when you were doing some plumbing with your pipes....)
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08:49<Barami>Hello!
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08:50<Barami>Execuse me. ~_~
08:50<xeon-enouf>er
08:50<Barami>Where can i ask for gstreamer or alsa ?
08:51<Barami>I'm using debian testing(squeeze).
08:51<raboof>here or in #alsa i guess
08:51<Barami>Ah, thanks.
08:52<Barami>i can't play sound both gstreamer with alsa..
08:53<Barami>first, i opened sound by totem-gstreamer.
08:53<Barami>and play another sound file by alsa app..
08:53<Barami>alsa app output error.
08:53<Barami>ERROR: ALSA: alsa-core.c:324 (alsaplug_open_audio): snd_pcm_open: Device or resource busy
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08:54<raboof>Barami: right: most sound cards don't support 2 programs outputting to the sound card simultaneously
08:55<raboof>Barami: so somewhere in software, the 2 streams will have to be 'mixed'
08:55<ml|>!dmix
08:55<dpkg>i heard dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc
08:55<raboof>Barami: this 'mixing' can be performed by alsa (using the 'dmix' plugin), or by a higher-level sound daemon such as jack, arts, pulseaudio etc
08:56<Barami>Yeah, I want to dmix by alsa.
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08:56<Barami>Than i found dmix configuration and attempt that., but not work.
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08:59<raboof>Barami: did you succeed in, for example, playing 2 alsamixers simultaneously?
08:59<Barami>yes.
09:00<raboof>Barami: ok. and you're having trouble mixing an alsamixer and totem-gstreamer simultaneously?
09:00<Barami>2 alsa app's mixing is succesful, but, gstreamer and alsa app can't mixing.
09:00<Barami>Yes!
09:01<raboof>i'm not too familiar with gstreamer, but doesn't gstreamer just use the alsa layer also?
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09:01<Barami>Also, gstreamer ans oss not mixed!
09:02<Barami>I selected alsa at gstreamer-properties.
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09:03<raboof>so perhaps gstreamer is using the 'hw' device rather than the 'plug:dmix' device?
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09:03<Barami>How to use dmix device?
09:03<raboof>Barami: in gstreamer-properties, does plug:dmix show up as a 'device'?
09:04<Barami>yes.
09:04<raboof>have you tried selecting it?
09:04<Barami>It's showing default, ALC888 analog, ALC888 Digital
09:04<Barami>Not dmix.
09:05<raboof>hm, ok
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09:46<VBStrider>After installing Debian and logging in for the first time, it froze at a blue-greyish screen with what I think was a white textbox at the upper left-hand corner (the only reason I know it was a textbox is because my cursor changed when I moused over it). After waiting for 2 hours, I let it sit overnight.
09:46<setog3>how to hide (or just forbid access to) network to an app ? I try to use the package trickle that can limit bandwith for a command, but trickle -d 0 -u 0 seems to doesn't work .. if you have a better idea ?
09:47<VBStrider>This morning it appears to have gotten over whatever it was stuck on. I wanted to see if it would still happen when I rebooted, so I told it to restart. Now it is stuck on a blue graphic screen with the Debian logo to the right. I can't move the mouse or interact with the computer in any other way. Any ideas on how to fix this?
09:48<Barami>if tou know port used by app, you block app's port by iptables..
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09:48<VBStrider>(it got stuck on this graphic while shutting down)
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09:49<setog3>Barami: I don't know, I just want to run the command in something like a chroot but for the network
09:50<Barami>I don't have many know-hows about network..
09:50<Barami>sorry..
09:51<abrotman>VBStrider: this is gdm ?
09:52<Barami>hu.. alsa dmix is not work. How do i..?
09:52<Barami>pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
09:52<Barami>-_-a
09:54<VBStrider>abrotman: gdm?
09:54<Barami>VBStrider, gnome's default login manager.
09:55<VBStrider>Barami: Whatever this thing installed is what it is using. I have no idea
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09:56<abrotman>it doesn't install a DM unless you check the "Desktop" option during install
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09:56<abrotman>VBStrider: which version of debian is this?
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09:59<VBStrider>abrotman: The latest one I think. I just downloaded it yesterday
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09:59<abrotman>that's not really helpful .. do you have the ISO name ?
09:59<klando>Hello, I am trying to modify "Aptitude::UI {Default-Grouping}" in order to filter by repositor, but Idon't find thepattern/filter to use for that, one know it ?
10:00<klando>I actually use pattern(~A) which is usefull but not enough :)
10:00<VBStrider>abrotman: I downloaded it using the network installer
10:00<VBStrider>abrotman: I can't find the version number in the download page
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10:00<abrotman>or the ISO name?
10:00<Barami>VBStrider, please check Xserver log file.
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10:01<VBStrider>abrotman: There wasn't an iso, just a bunch of files for booting over the network
10:01<VBStrider>Barami: How?
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10:01<Barami>log file positioned ay /var/log/
10:01<abrotman>ah ok
10:01<Barami>ay -> at
10:01<themill>klando: ~O for origin might be better (I don't know if aptitude can really this btw)
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10:01<Barami>find Xorg.0.log
10:01<VBStrider>Barami: How do I read it?
10:01<klando>I'll try themill
10:01<Barami>cat or vi
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10:02<Barami>It's text file.
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10:02<VBStrider>Barami: Yes, but I am not 100% certain that this thing will boot, and it is still stuck on shutting down
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10:02<VBStrider>Barami: Should I push the power button...?
10:03<klando>themill, Origin is Debian everytime :-D
10:03<bloebb>if i dualboot 2 debian system and have an extra /boot partiton on the first, do i also need on for the second system (don't thnik so...)
10:03<themill>klando: it is if they're debian packages.... what are you actually trying to do?
10:03<Barami>When the computer stopped ?
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10:04<themill>klando: ~O differentiates between backports.org, debian-multimedia.org etc
10:04<klando>themill, sure ?!
10:04<kurumin>Hi
10:05<VBStrider>Barami: Sorry, I am not sure what you are asking... The computer has frozen while shutting down, and is now displaying a blue graphic with little white streaks and dots, and the red Debian logo to the right. I can't move the mouse, and Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't do anything
10:05<Barami>PS. I can't english very well.. I'm not using english. bacause i'm korean..
10:05<kurumin>I brazilliam : )
10:05<Barami>:)
10:05<kurumin>You have vivaolinux ?
10:05<kurumin>vivaolinux.com.br
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10:05<themill>klando: but how well that works in the UI I don't know because the packages in backports.org will also be from squeeze etc too. ("aptitude search ~i~Obackports" will work, for example).
10:05<bloebb>kurumin: isn't this the debian channel?
10:06<themill>klando: you might want to "/msg dpkg which repo" btw
10:06<kurumin>A do now, I new from here
10:06<klando>themill, okay, I'll trydifferent thingsso
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10:06<Barami>Ah.. VBStrider, What are you using video card ..?
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10:07<themill>klando: actually, aptitude search ~i~Obackports" will only show you a list of packages that you have installed that also have versions on bpo. It doesn't actually show you that you have the bpo version installed....
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10:07<Barami>Maybe, that is a graphic card driver problem..
10:07<Barami>I think so..
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10:08<VBStrider>Barami: I have no idea what the graphics card is exactly. It is whatever was built into this laptop. The laptop is very old, 355MHz PII, 128MB RAM, 6GB HDD
10:08<VBStrider>Barami: Toshiba Portege 7020CT
10:08<Barami>Hm..
10:08<Barami>Can you show me a log file?
10:09<VBStrider>Barami: That is what I was asking :)
10:09<VBStrider>Barami: I don't know if I am able to or not
10:09<abrotman>the grahpics card shouldn't cause an issue with boot time
10:09<Barami>In /var/log, you can find Xorg.0.log
10:09<abrotman>how long does it take to get to the part where the screen turns the blue-ish color ?
10:09<VBStrider>Barami: Yeah, once I manage to get into the filesystem it will be fine
10:09<VBStrider>Barami: Getting there is the problem
10:10<Barami>press alt + ctrl + f1
10:10<VBStrider>Barami: It didn't do anything
10:10<abrotman>how long does it take to get to the part where the screen turns the blue-ish color ?
10:10<VBStrider>Barami: It is still shutting down
10:10<abrotman>VBStrider: just hit the reset switch .. it's a new install, right ?
10:11<VBStrider>abrotman: I think it happened quickly. It has only happened once, since this is the first time that I have tried shutting down the computer
10:11<Barami>VBStrider, boot to single mode.
10:11<VBStrider>abrotman: Yeah, it is a new install. I didn't want to goof up the system by pressing the power button though
10:11<Barami>When booting to single mode, X server not execute.
10:12<abrotman>VBStrider: you have no data to mess up right ? worst that happens if you mess it up and have to reinstall
10:12*bja looks for his sledge hammer
10:12<VBStrider>abrotman: Exactly. I don't want to reinstall if I can avoid it
10:12<VBStrider>abrotman: It takes a very long time to download the files
10:12<abrotman>understandable
10:13<klando>themill, ~O is correct (I didn't catch it the first time) so : APT::UI { Default-Grouping "filter(missing),status,pattern(~O),pattern(~A),section(subdir,passthrough),section(topdir)";}
10:13<VBStrider>Ok, I pressed the power button. Now what am I supposed to do?
10:13<klando>is *great* (at least for me)
10:13<klando> tks, and havea nice day
10:14<Barami>To solve the problem, you must know a cause.
10:14<Barami>but It only available in console. then, you can boot to single mode.
10:14<VBStrider>How do I get to the console?
10:15<Barami>In grub, you can add parameter 'single'
10:15<VBStrider>Just add "single", nothing else?
10:15<abrotman>VBStrider: how long does it take to get to the blue screen ?
10:15<Barami>VBStrider, \http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/grub-boot-into-single-user-mode/
10:15<VBStrider>abrotman: The one it was stuck on first? One sec, I'll test that before the single user thing
10:16<VBStrider>Booting...
10:18<VBStrider>Logging in...
10:18<abrotman>that didn't take long ?
10:19<VBStrider>This isn't the part that takes forever.
10:19<VBStrider>It gets stuck after I login
10:19<VBStrider>Stuck
10:19<VBStrider>It now has that textbox and the blue-greyish background
10:19<VBStrider>I can move the mouse, but not much else
10:19<abrotman>VBStrider: does the text box work ?
10:20<abrotman>VBStrider: which window manager did you want to use?
10:20<VBStrider>abrotman: I don't know, it's like it is only showing me the bottom right part of it
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10:20<VBStrider>abrotman: I don't know, it is using whatever was installed by default
10:20<themill>klando: excellent!
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10:20<abrotman>VBStrider: but which do you want to use?
10:20<Barami>VBStrider, can you use consiole?
10:20<abrotman>VBStrider: do you actually have broadband ?
10:21<VBStrider>abrotman: Erm, I think it is called "X Windows", but I am not sure. A bit of software I need requires it
10:21<abrotman>VBStrider: is it blue-ish gray? or more like a checkerboard pattern ?
10:21<VBStrider>Barami: I'll test that in a bit, currently going through the stuck thing
10:21<VBStrider>abrotman: It is solid
10:21<abrotman>VBStrider: yeah, but most people want to use Gnome or KDE or XFCE or something like that
10:22<VBStrider>abrotman: Heh, I am not a Linux person, so I don't care as long as IRSSI, Synergy and Pidgen work
10:22<abrotman>VBStrider: hit ctrl-alt-f1 .. does it take you to the text login ?
10:23<Barami>VBStrider, When you boot single mode, computer is stuck?
10:23<VBStrider>abrotman: It took me to a black screen with text on it
10:23<abrotman>VBStrider: can you login as you at that screen ?
10:23<VBStrider>Barami: Nope, I haven't tried single mode yet
10:23<Barami>hm..
10:23<Barami>VBStrider, When you meet black screen, you can login into ther shell
10:23<VBStrider>abrotman: It accepted the login, but isn't doing much
10:24<Barami>ther -> the
10:24<abrotman>VBStrider: it's waiting for you to do something :)
10:24<abrotman>VBStrider: type "dpkg -l gnome*" .. does anything get returned ?
10:24<VBStrider>Is that an eye or an el?
10:24<abrotman>el
10:24<Barami>If you using gnome, your laptop specs are hang too long..
10:25<Barami>or stopped..
10:25<VBStrider>abrotman: It doesn't do anything
10:25<abrotman>VBStrider: are you at a $ prompt ?
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10:25<VBStrider>abrotman: Erm, I am not that experienced with Linux, but it doesn't look like a command prompt. It looks more like what happens when something breaks and you can (for whatever reason) type into the blank area
10:26<abrotman>it sounds like it's processing .. is the disk churning ?
10:26<Barami>gnome desktop envirionment's requirement is higher then windows XP..
10:26<Barami>~_~
10:26<VBStrider>There isn't anything before where I type, I am at the start of the line directly after "Debian DNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law."
10:26<VBStrider>abrotman: Nope
10:26<abrotman>Barami: that's not hte point here
10:27<abrotman>Barami: his CLI login is delayed also
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10:27<Barami>Hm.. cli also hanging ..?
10:27<samara>https://www.dofus.com/fr/creer-un-compte-lowa/simfrench10
10:27<samara>https://www.dofus.com/fr/creer-un-compte-lowa/simfrench10
10:27<samara>https://www.dofus.com/fr/creer-un-compte-lowa/simfrench10
10:27<abrotman>from what he's saying
10:27<samara>https://www.dofus.com/fr/creer-un-compte-lowa/simfrench10
10:27<samara>https://www.dofus.com/fr/creer-un-compte-lowa/simfrench10
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10:29<VBStrider>I don't know if this helps any, but Ubuntu and Xubuntu wouldn't finish booting at all
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10:29<VBStrider>They both froze up at 15%, eventually got to 75%, then ended up at a black screen similar to this one, except it mentioned a lot of segmentation faults
10:30<abrotman>VBStrider: so this is like a PentiumII with like 256MB of RAM ?
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10:31<VBStrider>abrotman: 355MHz PII with 128MB RAM
10:31<abrotman>awesome or something
10:31<abrotman>VBStrider: does your CLI login work yet ?
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10:31<VBStrider>abrotman: Nothing has happened
10:32<abrotman>VBStrider: so the graphical login comes up pretty quickly ?
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10:33<VBStrider>abrotman: In about 2 minutes, yes
10:33<VBStrider>abrotman: It gets stuck shortly after though
10:33<abrotman>VBStrider: even if you don't login ?
10:33<VBStrider>abrotman: (at that blue-greyish screen with the textbox)
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10:33<VBStrider>abrotman: No, I have to login to get to that other screen
10:33<abrotman>VBStrider: hit the reset switch .. do *not* login .. switch to the console and login there
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10:34<VBStrider>abrotman: So boot like normal, no single-user mode, and instead of entering in a username when it asks, press Ctrl+Alt+F1?
10:34<abrotman>yep
10:34<Barami>yes :)
10:34<Barami>abrotman's say is all right.
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10:35<abrotman>usually ... :)
10:36<VBStrider>Erm, I need to leave soon. Will you be on later today?
10:36<VBStrider>I should be back in about 5 hours
10:37<abrotman>VBStrider: i'm sure someone will be ..
10:37<VBStrider>Heh, I hope it is someone that can help :S
10:37<abrotman>VBStrider: basically, we're going to remove gnome/gdm and all associated pieces, and then install like xdm and lxde
10:37<abrotman>i'm not 100% sure gnome is the isssue, but i'd like to eliminate it
10:37<VBStrider>Ok, it logged me in just fine
10:38<VBStrider>I am at the command prompt for sure this time
10:38<VBStrider>$
10:38<Barami>When i use pentium3 866 and 128M memory, gnome is hoo heavy..
10:38-!-shimmy [~stiebrs@85.15.229.35] has joined #debian
10:38<shimmy>hey there
10:38<Barami>than, i changed to xfce..
10:38<abrotman>VBStrider: okay .. aptitude purge gnome gdm .. when that's done .. aptitude install xorg xdm lxde
10:39<VBStrider>abrotman: Ok, should that be all?
10:40<abrotman>to start .. but you can have it run while you're out
10:40<Barami>VBStrider, if you will reinstall debian..
10:40<VBStrider>abrotman: Hmmm, I am assuming it wasn't supposed to finish this quickly...
10:40<Barami>i suggest you install Only base..
10:40<VBStrider>abrotman: It says "E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 permission denied)"
10:41<abrotman>VBStrider: you have to 'su' and enter the root password first
10:41<VBStrider>"E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
10:41<shimmy>i have a problem with upgradin glib-2.16 to glib-2.20. i downloaded, compiled and installed 2.20 version, but it still uses 2.16 for gnome apps. cant remove it using aptitude, because it will take gnome with it
10:41<shimmy>is there any possible way to do it without harming whole system?
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10:42<VBStrider>Barami: I wouldn't know what else to install if I did that though
10:42<VBStrider>abrotman: It is asking me if I accept this solution...
10:43<abrotman>VBStrider: it should be fine
10:43<VBStrider>"Remove the following packages:" "fast-user-switch-applet" "gdm-themes" "gnome-desktop-environment" "Score is -463"
10:43<VBStrider>Ok
10:43<abrotman>we can clean up the other bits later
10:44<VBStrider>abrotman: If you aren't around when I get back, should I wait for you or try and find someone to help me continue this?
10:44<abrotman>someone else can help .. i'll likely be around
10:45<nucc>I have a package A, which needs B1.9 . B has 2.0 version, but I don't want to upgrade to it, so when I try to apt-get install A, that wants to install B2.0. How can I tell the apt-get no upgrade my B package?
10:45<VBStrider>Alright, I'd prefer continuing this with you, heh. I don't want to make this more confused by introducing another person that might be going down a different path
10:45<Barami>nucc, you can hold package..
10:45<VBStrider>(or didn't know which path you were going down)
10:45<Barami>nucc, use aptitude.
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10:46<abrotman>VBStrider: that's why i summarized above
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10:46<bja>nucc: If you upgrade package A which uses a particular funciton of package B2.0 then it will surely brake
10:46<shimmy>is there any way to remove package without removing programs depending on it?
10:46<nucc>it doesn't use B2.0
10:46<nucc>apt-cache shows B1.9
10:47<bja>nucc: there is an option to hold a package at a certain version
10:47<VBStrider>Alright, well I need to get going
10:47<nucc>ok, thx
10:47<Barami>shimmy, use dpkg with force option.
10:47<VBStrider>Thanks for the help, see you in 5 hours hopefully
10:47<shimmy>dpkg -rf glib?
10:47<dpkg>shimmy: are you smoking crack?
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10:48<Barami>no. see man page..
10:48<Barami>dpkg --force depends <package>
10:48<dpkg>Barami: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
10:49<abrotman>oh don't do that
10:49<Barami>dpkg, Joke!
10:49<dpkg>stop abusing the bot already
10:51<Barami>Haa..
10:51<Barami>abrotman, Where can i ask about gstreamer ..?
10:51<abrotman>what about it ?
10:52<bja>shimmy: if you have two versions of glib will not harm your sistem, trying to erase the dependency of many packages might harm it and the gains will be minor
10:52<shimmy>well
10:52<Barami>When play media by gstreamer, gstreamer blocking audio device.
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10:52<abrotman>libesd-alsa ?
10:52<Barami>no.;
10:52<Barami>i don't install esd..
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10:53<shimmy>bja, i need to upgrade glib. i compiled and installed newest version, but system still uses 2.16. i was just wondering if i can remove old .deb version of glib and force system to use new one which i compiled myself
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10:54<bja>shimmy: if you need the newer version for a single program, it will actually use it, every other program will look for the previous one
10:54<bja>if it is not there, they will actually complain about it
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10:55<bja>on a best case scenario, they will normaly segfault
10:55<Barami>abrotman, When i play music with totem, i execute alsa app..
10:55<abrotman>Barami: that's not what this is
10:55<shimmy>bja, when i try to compile software that needs newer version, it tells me that i have old version and stops
10:55<abrotman>judd: info libesd-alsa0 --release lenny
10:55<judd>abrotman: libesd-alsa0 (libs): is extra; Version: 0.2.36-3; Size: 20.8k; Installed: 64k -- Enlightened Sound Daemon (ALSA) - Shared libraries
10:56*abrotman thinks that wasn't very convincing
10:56<Barami>but alsa app output error ..
10:56<Barami>device is busy..
10:56<abrotman>oh wait .. nevermind .. ignore that ..
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10:56<bja>shimmy: when you compile give the option to the new library research that on man pkg-config
10:57<shimmy>bja, ok, thanks, i'll look in that man
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10:58<bja>shimmy: an other option would be to make an independent build environmet so you can compile freely
10:59<Barami>When play music by gstreaemr, Both alsa and oss are not work.
10:59<Barami>device is busy..
11:00<abrotman>in totem ?
11:00<Barami>yeah.
11:00<shimmy>bja, i did #ldconfig and it seems to work now :D
11:00<Barami>wait,
11:01<Barami>abrotman, http://barami.org/screenshots/audacious.png
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11:02<chrislain>hola
11:02<chrislain>a todos
11:03<abrotman>Barami: which Audio Output do you have in the audacious preferences ?
11:03<Barami>alsa or oss..
11:03<Barami>both alsa and oss are not work..
11:03<chrislain>javier de estado de mexico
11:03<bja>!es
11:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:04<abrotman>Barami: i have it using alsa here .. and i can run rhythmbox at the same time
11:04<abrotman>Barami: i'm kind of confused why it's trying to use OSS if you have it set to alsa
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11:05<chrislain>not ingles
11:05<Barami>first, i set alsa output and next is oss
11:05<Barami>alsa set -> test -> oss set -> test
11:05<Barami>but all failed..
11:06<bja>chrislain: /j #debian-es
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11:07<chrislain>permiteme estoy el el trabajo
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11:12<babounda_777>join #xbins
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11:12<bja>babounda_777: fail
11:13<shimmy>indeed
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11:15<Barami>Haa.. no one have answer..
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11:16<Barami>should i use pulse audio..?
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11:16<Sentri>hmph, my system time is still wrong
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11:17<xeon-enouf>Barami: do dpkg-reconfure linux-sound-base , select alsa
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11:18<Barami>okay,
11:18<xeon-enouf>Barami: also are snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss loaded? (lsmod)
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11:18<Barami>yes.
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11:18<Barami>When not play music by gstreamer,
11:19<Barami>alsa pp is work well..
11:19<Barami>pp -> app
11:20<xeon-enouf>maybe gstreamer is broken?
11:20<xeon-enouf>checked the BTS?
11:20<Barami>severel alsa apps are work well. Even mixing is good.
11:20<xeon-enouf>!alsa list users
11:21<xeon-enouf>!list alsa users
11:21<dpkg>To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`. Alternatively, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer
11:21<xeon-enouf>use that ALternate one there
11:21<Barami>but alsa and gstreamer or oss and gstreamer is can't play ay same time..
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11:22<angasule>!nvidia
11:22<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
11:22<angasule>!nvidia m-a
11:22<dpkg>The short version: aptitude install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. For instructions that should work, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers.
11:22<xeon-enouf>Barami: check ps aux output to perhaps check into rogue processes
11:22<xeon-enouf>auxf even
11:22*xeon-enouf uses pstree ;-)
11:23<xeon-enouf>angasule: you can /msg the bot
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11:23<Barami>xeon-enouf, gnome-mixer applet greped alsa ..
11:24<noflash>angasule, feel free to /msg the bot
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11:24<angasule>meh, it's failing
11:24<shimmy>angasule, installing nvidia drivers using nvidia installer is pretty stright-forward. kill display manager and run installer script
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11:26<themill>shimmy: please make sure you're available to help angasule fix up xorg should he ever need to change driver or if there are xorg updates.
11:26<themill>!why nvidia-installer sucks
11:26<dpkg>nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated. The nvidia driver will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia> <nvidia compiler fix>.
11:27<angasule>I'm not using the nvidia installer, for said reasons, unfortunately, the debian way isn't working, either
11:27-!-mode/#debian [-q *!*@78.234.228.3] by FloodServ
11:28<angasule>hmm
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11:28<shimmy>themill, i have been using that installer for quite a while. after major xorg update just run installer again and it works as a charm
11:28<angasule>nv driver isn't working either :?
11:28<shimmy>nv driver gives low fps for me :/
11:28<angasule>shimmy: thanks, but I'm not interested, I'm just trying to solve my problem using debian
11:28<shimmy>np ;)
11:29<angasule>it says there is no nv module :?
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11:29<xeon-enouf>angasule: nv is the xorg one
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11:29<xeon-enouf>nv_drv.so
11:29<angasule>xeon-enouf: I know, I want to use that till I get nvidia working
11:29<xeon-enouf>oh, install xserver-xorg-video-nv or -all
11:30<xeon-enouf>grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
11:30<angasule>xeon-enouf: no candidate for -nv
11:31<xeon-enouf>xserver-xorg-video-nv - X.Org X server -- NV display driver
11:31<xeon-enouf>you're not using Debian?
11:31<angasule>I have -all installed, just checked
11:31<angasule>xeon-enouf: I am heh
11:31*xeon-enouf thinks the -allis a metapackage - use dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-nv
11:32<angasule>oh, should've used autocomplete, typo
11:32<xeon-enouf>yes, tab-completion saves me mucho aggravation
11:32<angasule>still, it bothers me that nvidia isn't compiling
11:33<xeon-enouf>wait, which problem are we on?
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11:34<angasule>eew, the nv driver has horrible banding, must be working on 16 bit
11:34<angasule>compiling the nvidia module wouldn't work
11:34<ml|>angasule: what release are you using?
11:35<xeon-enouf>1st things 1st; lspci | grep VGA
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11:35<angasule>ml|: legacy-96xx, I think?
11:36<ml|>no debian release like stable?
11:36<xeon-enouf>no, also which kernel?
11:36<angasule>xeon-enouf: NV43, GF Go 6200/6400
11:36<xeon-enouf>angasule: you have no X running?
11:36<angasule>2.6.30-1-686
11:36<angasule>not currently
11:36-!-m3onh0x84 [~m3onh0x84@123.24.174.169] has joined #debian
11:36<angasule>well, I could use X11 with nv
11:36<xeon-enouf>or vesa
11:37<ml|>cat /etc/debian_version
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11:37<angasule>nv is surely better than vesa?
11:37<xeon-enouf>cat /etc/issue.net
11:37<xeon-enouf>yep
11:37-!-lantizia [~lantizia@212.57.229.111] has joined #debian
11:37<ml|>looks like you are testing?
11:37<lantizia>Hey I'm trying to run an old binary of file type... "Linux/i386 demand-paged executable (ZMAGIC), stripped" but it won't execute - any ideas on why?
11:37<angasule>ml|: squeez/sid, yeah, mostly squeeze
11:37<m3onh0x84>22 everyone
11:37<xeon-enouf>ml|: well .. if not a backported kernel ..
11:38<ml|>angasule: ok, it's failing cause you need to install what is needed from sid, those have not made it yet to testing
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11:38<m3onh0x84>where can I get new apt sources.list ?
11:38<m3onh0x84>thankss so much
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11:38<xeon-enouf>lantizia: isn't a.out no longer supported? (i really don't know much about such things)
11:38<angasule>I'm a bit puzzled about the 'sid' bit, actually
11:38<xeon-enouf>m3onh0x84: /msg dpkg sources.list
11:38<lantizia>xeon-enouf: whats a.out ?
11:39<xeon-enouf>!a.out
11:39<dpkg>a.out is probably a horrid binary format.
11:39<angasule>I think I only have one sid package, I have no sid repos
11:39<ml|>angasule: /msg dpkg tum
11:39<xeon-enouf>heh
11:39<lantizia>OK how do you run a.out binaries?
11:39<xeon-enouf>lantizia: i'm not even saying yours is an a.out binary
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11:40<ml|>angasule: do that then, follow the wiki but when asked to install nvidia stuff do it from sid
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11:40<xeon-enouf>lantizia: try #kernelnewbies ? also try irc.freenode.net ##c or ##kernel or #gcc
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11:40<angasule>ml|: so the nvidia are already in sid, heading for testing? I don't mind waiting on .26 while they arrive, I just thought they should be there, it has been a while since .30 was released
11:40<m3onh0x84>I use mirror of kernel.org
11:41<xeon-enouf>!mirrors
11:41<dpkg>it has been said that debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>.
11:41<ml|>angasule: no idea when that will happen it has being a while now and they are not still in testing, but if you want to wait that's up to you
11:42<ml|>angasule: but now you know what to do if you don't want to wait
11:42<angasule>any idea if nv supports secondary outputs well?
11:42<angasule>ml|: yes, thank you :)
11:42<m3onh0x84>how to know insert mirro to apt souces. list
11:42<m3onh0x84>thankss
11:42<ml|>np
11:42<ml|>dpkg: sources.list
11:42<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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11:43<xeon-enouf>m3onh0x84: as root 'echo "deb ...." >> /etc/apt/sources.list'
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11:43<m3onh0x84>thankss so much
11:43<xeon-enouf>m3onh0x84: or as root 'sensible-editor /etc/apt/sources.list
11:44<m3onh0x84>I likedebian more than ubuntu :D
11:44<angasule>ok, I gotta reboot to test it all works fine, cheers!
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11:44<xeon-enouf>abrotman: just restart X
11:44<xeon-enouf>er angasule .. not abrotman
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11:45<abrotman>but i don't want to!
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11:46<bja>abrotman: stop complaining and do as told :)
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11:47<xeon-enouf>heh
11:50<m3onh0x84>how to know debian package different ubuntu package ?
11:50<m3onh0x84>thanks
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11:50<Plorf1>hi there
11:50<abrotman>m3onh0x84: you shouldn't have any ubuntu packages
11:51<m3onh0x84>:D I know
11:51<Plorf1>i've got since few weeks a bug which crash x, while xdm appears, x crash while trying to print characters to the screen, it happens while using xserver-xorg-intel and intel driver, but if i choose vesa it's ok... i don't know which package is the problem...
11:51<m3onh0x84>but on ubuntu, I want to it :D
11:51<m3onh0x84>but on ubuntu, I want to know it to install extacly:D
11:52<ml|>m3onh0x84: ask in #ubuntu on freenode
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11:53<fanuc98>What is this network and irc client? So I can plug it into irssi. :)
11:53<m3onh0x84>thanks
11:54<Plorf1>it's irc.debian.org and #debian ....
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11:54<blendmaster1024>i'm trying to optimize my boottime. i modified /etc/init.d/rc to give really detailed timing output to a file. this output shows that udev takes a whole *TEN SECONDS* to start! what *exactly* does udev do? and would the deviced still be in /dev if i turn it off?
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11:54<Plorf1>udev detect if new hardwares had been connected ;)
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11:54<icebrain>hi, what curses hex editors do you recommend?
11:54<abrotman>and creates /dev/
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11:55<abrotman>blendmaster1024: aptitude show udev .. it has a description and other documentation
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11:56<blendmaster1024>oh duh, thanks abrotman, i must be retarded. fell free to call me one
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11:58<blendmaster1024>hmm.. is there something else that would set up /dev for me but wouldn't take so long to start? btw i'm aware that it would not be dynamic anymore
11:58<Plorf1>do you have any ideas about my x hang ?
11:59<themill>blendmaster1024: the easiest way to improve boot time is not to reboot
11:59<blendmaster1024>Plorf1, more detail please
11:59<blendmaster1024>themill, i'm doing this because i wanna be able to say "my machine boots in 20 seconds" not because i really need it
12:00<themill>...
12:00<bja>blendmaster1024: bragging is next door
12:00<chenming>hmm.. could some friends can tell me how to cleanup the logs in /var
12:00<Plorf1>ok, then, while i'm launching xorg, (using xdm), x crash while trying to show character (the label where username is written as example), while using gdm, it work, but if i click on the link at the bottom (the one with choice of actions), x crash and i have to reboot, if i try to write my username, characters are weirds, and it crashed....
12:00<blendmaster1024>bja what?
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12:00<Plorf1>my video cards is Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller, i'm into debian unstable, but xorg crash since begin of august...
12:01<Plorf1>and i can't find a way
12:01<blendmaster1024>chenming, depending on what you want, you could do different things - i'd do ''rm -f /var/log/*.gz'
12:01<Plorf1>i don't see any matters in bugtracker debian, ubuntu or xserver
12:01<abrotman>crash or refuse to start ?
12:01<abrotman>blendmaster1024: why the hell does he need a -f ?
12:01<Plorf1>it crash, it freeze and freeze the computer
12:02<blendmaster1024>because... uhh... [ashamed face]
12:02<Plorf1>i assume a package must be bugged, but i can't find which one is...
12:02<abrotman>Plorf1: have oyu updated your system lately ?
12:02<Plorf1>yeap
12:03<abrotman>Plorf1: have you tried moving aside /etc/X11/xorg.conf
12:03<ml|>blendmaster1024: look into readahead and bootchart
12:04<Plorf1>yeap, into xorg.conf if i put vesa driver it's run, but if i put the intel one, it crash every time :(
12:04<abrotman>moving aside ...
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12:05<Plorf1>what did you mean abrotman ?
12:06<Plorf1>delete xorg.conf and see what's happen ?
12:06<blendmaster1024>ml|, i dont need bootchart, i made something that does that already, and i think readahead would slow bootup down?
12:06<blendmaster1024>Plorf1, no move it
12:06<Plorf1>of course :)
12:06<Plorf1>i'll be back, i'll try ^^
12:07<abrotman>mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
12:07<Plorf1>sure ;)
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12:08<ml|>blendmaster1024: readahead does not, but only does when actually profiling your boot process which you only need to do once in a while or on major system changes
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12:08<ml|>and bootchart is really useful imho
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12:09<abrotman>blendmaster1024: tons of work as been done on this .. you should read how they did it
12:09<blendmaster1024>i know it has... i'm entertaining myself more though, and i just want to know what will happen if i disable udev - if you don't tell me i'm just going to try it
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12:10<ml|>go ahead nodoby is stopping you, good luck ;)
12:11<abrotman>go for it .. hopefully you don't need the box to work
12:11<ml|>*nobody
12:11<blendmaster1024>i have a bootable cd, i can just move the script back if it breaks right?
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12:11<elashish>can somebody tell me how to enable ctrl + alt + backspace?
12:11<elashish>i've added DontZap off to xorg.conf and it doesnt work
12:12<blendmaster1024>elashish, it only works in the X window system
12:12<blendmaster1024>oh
12:12<abrotman>elashish: running squeeze/sid ?
12:12<elashish>yeah
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12:12<ml|>blendmaster1024: backup /etc/rc* to be on the safe side before trying that
12:12<elashish>well i'm on finch cause I expect my Xorg to die when i tell it :-)
12:12<abrotman>elashish: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
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12:13<blendmaster1024>ml|, you've scared me off, i'll leave that one alone. now i have to reduce the others down really far though...
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12:14<elashish>abrotman: i had to install it, what do i do now?
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12:15<abrotman>elashish: it should ask you about that question
12:15<kfe>hi, anyone knowing about status quo of ext4 and /boot (with grub2)? I'm running unstable but found no doc anywhere.
12:16<kfe>i know ubuntu included a patch in their grub-pc version to boot from an ext4 filesystem
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12:19<elashish>abrotman: still no luck
12:19<Plorf>i'm back,
12:19<pfix>wb
12:19<Plorf>without xorg.conf it work, but i'm still in vesa
12:19<kfe>the patch tracker on d.o does not list any such patch, neither does the changelog include a hint
12:20<kfe>:-/
12:20<abrotman>elashish: grep bksp /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
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12:21<pfix>kfe: had a look at launchpad.net?
12:21<kfe>yes. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/314350
12:22<kfe>but this is for old grub
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12:22<elashish1>abrotman: Name: console-setup/ctrl_alt_bksp
12:22<elashish1>Template: console-setup/ctrl_alt_bksp
12:22<elashish1>Value: terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
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12:23<pfix>kfe: you could give that patch a try then. maybe the debian developers in charge of grub are pushing it not so much towards grub2 and ext4
12:23<Plorf>any idea for fixing xcrash due to intel driver ?
12:23<Plorf>:/
12:23<abrotman>elashish1: well .. AFAIK that should allow it .. have you tried it from your gdm/kdm/xdm .. whatever you use
12:23<elashish1>no dm
12:24<pfix>kfe: or ubuntu uses a newer version of grub2 that has that problem fixed?
12:24<kfe>pfix: i'll look for that
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12:24*abrotman thought grub2 could boot ext4
12:25<elashish>it's still not working... i think i'll fix it later
12:25<elashish>thanks for the help
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12:26<kfe>pfix: ok, i found something which seems to be worth look at it. thanks for the hint.
12:26<pfix>kfe :)
12:26<kfe>pfix: btw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/294763
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12:27<xeon-enouf>kfe: grub2 can/does natively support ext4, IINM
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12:28<xeon-enouf>docs being written atm? see grub.enbug.org wiki or something
12:28<Plorf>which packages are used for printing character to screen into gdm ?
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12:29<KaptinKurk>How would I logout a user that is listed in who?
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12:29<kfe>xeon-enouf: no outdated docs from gnu.org?
12:29<Plorf>KaptinKurk: by killing his shell ?
12:29<xeon-enouf>slay? :-P
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12:30<KaptinKurk>Plorf: And how would I know what his shell is?
12:30<Plorf>ps aux
12:30<abrotman>KaptinKurk: man slay
12:30<xeon-enouf>wait, what's it .. last/lastlog should show it?
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12:30<xeon-enouf>yep - lastlog ; username pts/1 192.168.0.2 Sat Aug 29 02:58:02 -0400 2009
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12:33<kfe>xeon-enouf: pfix: thanks, i found a coincidence of the debian and ubuntu changelog date, which fits to the ext4_extents structs in the source code ;-)
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12:35<pfix>kampasky: usually a process thats called "bash" is providing the shell for the user
12:36<pfix>at least by default configuration
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12:37<kampasky>bash \o/
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12:37<pfix>:)
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12:42<kfe>grub2 works with ext4 out of the box :-) (but no doc is bad)
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12:44<pfix>yeah
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12:48<xeon-enouf>kfe: write one? :-)
12:49<pfix>writing docs is a job that gets you not much love
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12:51<raboof>imho all docs should be stored in an instantly-community-editable (such as a wiki)
12:51*raboof likes to document whatever he had to figure out, but jumping though all sorts of hoops to get that documentation to a place where people will actually read it sucks
12:52<themill>Experiments where people have done that (such as greycat's bash wiki) show that many people who think they know what is going on add in wrong things to the documentation. And when you delete the crap, the stick it back in again, and again, and again...
12:52<raboof>hm, my experience so far is different
12:53<pfix>that wiki idea has one strong disadvantage - how do you keep a local copy for the time where you dont have an internet connection?
12:53<raboof>pfix: agreed, imho a wiki should be 'exportable' to offline formats - preferably, imho, it just has a regular SCM as the back-end
12:54<raboof>(though I never extensively used a wiki that had that - i just like the idea ;) )
12:54<pfix>that would be really nice
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12:57<kfe>ok, i like to contribute a manpage if there is no existing effort made so for from the gnu team. (i've asked about that in an email just now)
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12:59<themill>You can always write the documentation up and send it to the debian bts and the debian maintainer will work on getting it included upstream. If you have the ability to work directly with upstream that's obviously preferable though.
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13:04<Barami>Hello :)
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13:27<dpkg><SquireCD> deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib <tarzeau> SquireCD: YOUR SOURCES.LIST IS WRONG! <SquireCD> tarzeau: WTF is wrong with it? <greycat> for one thing, it says "unstable". <SquireCD> yes it does, and it's always worked <SquireCD> for 3 years it's been fine <SquireCD> i have contrib in my sources, what does that do?
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13:46<padski>hmm, 'avahi-browse -p' emits stuff like 'Web\032Server'. Reckon they mean %1a or \040 :-)
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13:52<VBStrider>abrotman: I just told it to install xorg xdm and lxde, and it told me that another display manager is already installed "gdm". Didn't we uninstall that...?
13:53<abrotman>VBStrider: did you .. aptitude purge gdm .. what does it say ?
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13:54<VBStrider>abrotman: I did, and as far as I know it worked... However, it is currently installing xorg, etc. and I can't see what the results of the uninstall were :/
13:54<abrotman>VBStrider: okay ...
13:55<VBStrider>The install just finished
13:55<VBStrider>Try to reboot?
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14:00<VBStrider>abrotman: Wow, thanks. You solved the problem :)
14:00<abrotman>VBStrider: i didn't "solve" it .. your hardware just wasn't coping well with gnome
14:01<VBStrider>Well thanks :)
14:01<abrotman>your system specs are too low for something like gnome/kde .. probably even xfce is too much
14:02<abrotman>VBStrider: need help with anything else ?
14:02<VBStrider>Erm, how do I get to the add/remove programs thing with this new GUI? I found it with what was installed before, but it seems to have disappeared
14:02<abrotman>add/remove programs ?
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14:03<abrotman>oh .. start a terminal .. and su .. then aptitude install synaptic
14:03<VBStrider>abrotman: Ok, thanks
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14:07<Tuplad>out of nowhere my desktop just disappeared. all the programs that were opened remained open, but all the icons on the desktop disappeared and I can't select or rightclick on it... everything else works. anyone got any ideas on what it is ? O_O
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14:09<Tuplad>anyone?
14:09<abrotman>Tuplad: were you doing a system update ?
14:09<Tuplad>abrotman: no
14:09<abrotman>which version of debian? which desktop ?
14:10<ichdasich>Tuplad: type nautilus in a terminal
14:10<Tuplad>abrotman: Linux atmosphere 2.6.30-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Aug 15 18:09:19 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
14:10<Tuplad>abrotman: debian 5
14:10<abrotman>which desktop ?
14:10<Tuplad>gnome
14:10<Tuplad>ichdasich: worked!
14:10<Tuplad>abrotman: seems like nautilus crashed
14:10<Tuplad>abrotman: it's back up and running :p
14:10<abrotman>sure .. nautilus crashed ..
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14:11<Tuplad>hm, do I smell some sarcasm there?
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14:12<ichdasich>Tuplad: nope, your initial problemdescription just sucked.
14:12<abrotman>Tuplad: not really .. it dies sometimes .. though usually not when you're not doing anything
14:12<Tuplad>ichdasich: :(
14:12<babilen>hi all. i try to gather some information on syslog-ng and rsyslog as daemons for a central logging infrastructure
14:13<Tuplad>abrotman: I was away from the computer for a couple of hours actually. I came back and found that.
14:13<abrotman>ah ok
14:13<babilen>was rsyslog chosen as default in lenny because the config file format is compatible or were there other reasons
14:13<babilen>which daemon would *you* use and why?
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14:17<angasule>!synaptics
14:17<dpkg>well, synaptics is a driver for the touchpad on many laptops. For use in X, install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options. If it's not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". See also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html . This driver does not support X.org auto-configuration in Lenny. See also <trackpoint>.
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14:19<angasule>I guess I have to restart X for the new pointer driver to apply? :?
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14:22<cyres>gbye@all
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14:24<VBStrider>Erm, this has always really confused me when using Linux. When you install a program, where do the files go? For example, IRSSI has an INSTALL file that tells you how to set it up. Where would that file have been put?
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14:27<bja>VBStrider: Are you insalling from source?
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14:27<abrotman>VBStrider: aptitude install irssi
14:28<VBStrider>bja: I installed it through some package manager thing
14:28<VBStrider>bja: But I have no idea how to configure it now :/ Their site doesn't seem to document that
14:28<abrotman>oh ..
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14:28<abrotman>VBStrider: irssi.org has pretty documentation
14:28<VBStrider>bja: I had it setup fine before, but none of the folders are where they were
14:28<bja>VBStrider: hold on a sec i'll paste the doc page
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14:29<bja>VBStrider: http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup
14:29<bja>VBStrider: help your self all that you need to know is on that page
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14:30<VBStrider>bja: I was just there, but I couldn't find a section that said where the config files are, and where to put scripts. All of it seems to be internal commands
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14:31<bja>VBStrider: ~/.irssi
14:32<VBStrider>bja: It says the directory doesn't exist
14:32<abrotman>have you run irssi yet ?
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14:32<bja>it should be created when you startup irssi for the first time
14:32<VBStrider>abrotman: No, I wanted to configure it first
14:32<bja>VBStrider: fire it up and all the things you need will automatically be created
14:32<abrotman>VBStrider: then just create the file .. ~/.irssi/config
14:33<VBStrider>bja: Ah... Ok
14:33<VBStrider>If that is the case, I'll just dump the .irssi and .irssi_logs folders in there.
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14:33<VBStrider>Thanks
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14:36<spikestar>hey
14:36-!-onur [~onur@0nur.net] has joined #debian
14:36<spikestar>can some one talk to me
14:36<bja>!ask
14:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:37<babilen>why is rsyslog the standard logging daemon on debian and not syslog-ng?
14:37<spikestar>ok how do i get a laptop acer hard drive with a memory card
14:37<babilen>spikestar: buy one?
14:37<spikestar>i mean any for sale
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14:38<Andradio>hi to all
14:38<spikestar>theres none from u guys and none from ebay... hi
14:38<spikestar>hi ow r u
14:38<spikestar>how r u
14:38<bja>!u
14:38<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
14:39<noflash>spikestar, this is a debian support channel, do you have a debian question
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14:39<spikestar>pllz dont kick me off
14:39<ehren>sorry for the crosspost in x, but would anyone be willing to help me debug my xorg.conf? I'm not able to attain any resolution higher than 800x600: http://pastebin.com/m6f056f4e
14:39<locklace>!kick spikestar
14:39*dpkg kicks spikestar in the crotch.
14:40<bja>ehren: What graphics card do you have
14:40<spikestar>i some how got it lock i can trun my acer on its not doing nothin. whats the problem?
14:40<ehren>s3 truby trio (shudders)
14:40<locklace>spikestar: a short between the keyboard and the seat
14:41<babilen>spikestar: the you is question to words not understandable
14:41<noflash>locklace, please don't feed it
14:41<spikestar>wtf guys
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14:41<babilen>spikestar: i would say PEBKAC
14:41<abrotman>how about not saying anything at all ..
14:41<babilen>right
14:41<babilen>sorry
14:42<spikestar>its ok
14:42<abrotman>spikestar: this channel is to answer questions about Debian .. do you have a Debian related question ?
14:43<spikestar>ok the thing just truned on it says need new hard drive
14:44<abrotman>spikestar: this channel is to answer questions about Debian .. do you have a Debian related question ?
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14:44<spikestar>abrotman leave me alone!!!!!!!!!!
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14:44<ehren>bja: I can post the original xorg.conf file generated by dpkg -reconfigure
14:44<ehren>if that helps
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14:44<abrotman>spikestar: this channel is for Debian support, if you need help with your hardware, try ##hardware on freenode. YOu've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic
14:44<bja>ehren: can you paste lspci -vv
14:45<abrotman>-nn ?
14:45<bja>ehren: sorry typo lspci -nn
14:45<bja>abrotman: thx
14:45<bja>abrotman: +b = bann +q = quiet
14:45<abrotman>okay?
14:46<locsmif>bja, +b is both
14:46<Barami>abrotman, i solved my problem :)
14:46<bja>locsmif: thx didn't know that
14:46<abrotman>Barami: the sound problem? how ?
14:46<Barami>it's pulseaudio problem.. OTL...
14:46<abrotman>oh, i don't use PA i dont' think
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14:47<Barami>definitly, i unchecked pulseaudio in session..
14:47<ehren>bja: sure, http://pastebin.com/m1ffc7a8f
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14:47<bja>ehren: The usual problem of not achiving a certain resolution is the lack of the proper video driver
14:48<Barami>but if i logon into X, pulseaudio has loaded..
14:48-!-Flakk [~Flakk@ip-118.net-81-220-244.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #debian
14:48<Barami>Then pulseaudio grabbed audio device..
14:49<ehren>bja: the autogenerated xorg.conf seems to detect the s3 driver (I think it's an xorg package)
14:49<Barami>after killing pulseaudio, all works fine..
14:49<bja>ehren: do you have a Trio Video Card?
14:49<ehren>bja: yeah
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14:50<Barami>Now i will go to bed, every good bye :)
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14:51<ehren>bja: it seems to have detected it with this line - 02:07.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+] [5333:8811] (rev 53)
14:51<Flakk>Hi people, I have a problem with nvidia drivers. I followed the procedure advised by "dpkg" that is I installed nvidia drivers. I added also the line "nvidia" to the /etc/modules - but the result is not great I have only the resolution 1600*1200@66HZ (this is a CRT monitor), although I know that it the monitor is capable of better performance. with XP it gives 2048*1536@85 Hz. so I wonder if I can get it with the nvidia drivers.
14:52<bja>ehren: you are right, but i don't know if there is a compatible controller for it, i was researching that with google right now
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14:52<ehren>bja: ok, I'll check too
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14:56<xeon-enouf>judd: pciid 5333:8811
14:56<judd>xeon-enouf: [5333:8811] is '86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+]' from 'S3 Inc.' with kernel module 's3fb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=5333:8811
14:56<xeon-enouf>ehren: and whoever
14:57<xeon-enouf>bja: i suppose
14:57<Flakk>the graphics card is GeForce 6800
14:57<bja>xeon-enouf: i didn't know that function on judd thx
14:57<xeon-enouf>np
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14:57<bja>Flakk: you will have to check that the debian module supports it
14:58<Flakk>bja: how could I check this
14:58<burnclouds>I have a Dell D600. I have tried to install debian using the lastest netinst for lenny. It never fully booted from the cd. I tried using the daily build for squeeze. It started to install but then quit when I couldn't find all the packages for the base system.
14:58<bja>Flakk: on the nvidia site there is an explanation of it. Also on the debian wikik
14:59<xeon-enouf>hrm
14:59<Flakk>ok thanks
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15:00<burnclouds>Interestingly when I selected to verify the cd it passed.
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15:00<xeon-enouf>burnclouds: /msg dpkg check iso image
15:00<xeon-enouf>burnclouds: (forthe Lenny netisntall)
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15:01<adb>burnclouds, /msg dpkg dell
15:01<bja>burnclouds: D600 is a nice workhorse, try the lenny install disk and then upgrade to squeeze
15:01<xeon-enouf>burnclouds: and .. did you atleast get to the boot prompt?
15:01<xeon-enouf>burnclouds: with the netinstall/lenny
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15:02<burnclouds>I want lenny so lets focus on that. I just tried squeeze to see if it was an installer bug.
15:03<burnclouds>With the lenny CD I got to the bios boot selecter. Opted for the CD drive. and After the "Linux loader?.... by Peter Anvin..." Line is froze
15:03<ehren>judd: I pasted my info into that page
15:03<judd>ehren: Error: "I" is not a valid command.
15:04<themill>judd xorg 5333:8811
15:04<abrotman>he might need the kmuto installer
15:04<judd>themill: In lenny, device 5333:8811 is matched by xorg driver: 's3'.
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15:05<ehren>do I have to explicitly state my resolution in xorg.conf or is that unneccessary?
15:05<burnclouds>I also tried the Ubuntu Januty text mode installer. It works. So why not lenny?
15:05<abrotman>!kmuto
15:05<dpkg>For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm
15:06<abrotman>burnclouds: you do realize that ubuntu and debian are different, right ?
15:06<burnclouds>Oh my gosh! Yes! But ubuntu IS debian based. They take sid for each of there releases.
15:07<abrotman>not quite
15:07<burnclouds>close enough.
15:07<abrotman>yes .. which is why one works and the other doesn't ..
15:08<burnclouds>Point being the installer worked on this box.
15:08<burnclouds>But the lenny and Squeeze installers do not.
15:10<burnclouds>I also tried using the squeeze installer from a USB drive.
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15:10<burnclouds>It froze at the same point.
15:11<bja>burnclouds: did you try grml live cd?
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15:11<burnclouds>grml?
15:11<bja>!grml
15:11<xeon-enouf>burnclouds: did you check the ISO and the burn was done properly? (it's isolinux that's loading, the peter anvin thing)
15:11<dpkg>grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ #grml on irc.freenode.net.
15:12<abrotman>so try the kmuto thing
15:12<xeon-enouf>burnclouds: isolinux should load no matter which kernel - so i suspect bad media, bad brn, or something imcompatible with isolinux
15:13<burnclouds>Yeah. isolinux. I'm on the same box right now (using windoze) so I couldn't bring it up and look. I did verify the burn and it passed.
15:13<xeon-enouf>IOW,, you should always atleast get to the boot: prompt during that phase
15:13<xeon-enouf>windows has md5dum tools
15:14<burnclouds>I have not tried grml. But the knoppix livecd seemed to work,
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15:14<xeon-enouf>and drivers that can read linux FStypes .. ok though
15:14<burnclouds>Yes I know debian and knoppix are not the same thing.
15:15<xeon-enouf>add sysresccd.org to your arsenal ;-)
15:15<burnclouds>It looks like lots of people are using linux on the d600
15:15<burnclouds>well using debian on the d600
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15:26<ansgar>* 10 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list
15:27<ansgar>SpamAssassin has an interesting opinion about while-lists...
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15:28<Ignaz>good evening, Debian
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15:38<erKURITA>ansgar interesting, indeed
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15:39<ikkerus>good evening :)
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16:26<Sophist>Hello?
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16:27<Sophist>Is there anyone here who can answer some quick questions?
16:27<jackyf>!ask
16:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
16:28<Sophist>!ask "I have a problem with dual booting windows xp and debian."
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16:28<abrotman>Sophist: What about it doesn't work ?
16:29<Sophist>well I was just wondering I have a second harddrive installed
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16:29<Sophist>do i just install it on the second harddrive
16:29<Sophist>or do i have to format it in a special way.
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16:30<erKURITA>wat
16:30<erKURITA>I don't understand your question
16:30<erKURITA>give it a thought and rephrase it
16:32<Sophist>I have windows XP installed on my primary HDD and I would like to install Debian on my secondary. Do I have to format the secondary drive using a special program or can I just install it on the drive without any problems?
16:32<blendmaster1024>Sophist, debian will format it
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16:32<Sophist>yeah i know but i installed windows 7 on the secondary the other day and I wasn't able to boot into xp.
16:32<Sophist>so i was wondering if i would have the same problem
16:32<erKURITA>uh
16:32<blendmaster1024>are you on that machine now? and if so, do you have another you could irc from? ... you'd be fine
16:33<erKURITA>That's another stuff
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16:33<themill>!dual boot guide
16:33<dpkg>A guide for setting up dual booting with various combinations of linux, xp and vista can be found at http://apcmag.com/dualboot . The guide covers both windows and linux being installed first on the machine. Also ask me about <fixmbr>. See http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ for an ISO image to help fix up GRUB problems.
16:33<hackndoes>hi guys. i tried to install the fglrx to support my nvidia 9200 card. i installed it from repos of the stable relase.i get many errors related to problems allocating memory when trying to load the module. this is the output from demsg|grep ati
16:33<erKURITA><hackndoes> hi guys. i tried to install the fglrx to support my nvidia 9200 card. <= stop
16:33<witte>!fglrx
16:33<dpkg>i guess fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the r600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati on irc.freenode.net.
16:33<erKURITA>fglrx = ATI, as far as I know
16:33<hackndoes>http://pastebin.com/m4b8236cb
16:33<Sophist>Thank you
16:34<witte>hackndoes: you want to install the nvidia drivers...
16:34<Sophist>I'll get on another machine and get on if i have problems
16:34<witte>!tell hackndoes about nvidia
16:34<hackndoes>witte: no the ati
16:34<Sophist>bye
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16:34<hackndoes>with nvidia when i needed i was OK
16:35<bja>hackndoes: nvidia cards don't work well with ati drivers if they do at all
16:35<erKURITA>wait wait
16:35<erKURITA>Do you have an ATI or nVidia card?
16:35<hackndoes>bja: sorry it's an ati radeon 9200, didn't i mention that?
16:35<erKURITA>no
16:35<erKURITA>you said nvidia
16:35<erKURITA><hackndoes> hi guys. i tried to install the fglrx to support my nvidia 9200 card.
16:36<hackndoes>erKURITA: hee, sorry , my bad
16:37<hackndoes>can you guys help me?
16:38<witte>hackndoes: did you check the webpage on the wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
16:38<erKURITA>[17238.616940] aticonfig[23753]: segfault at c ip 40af67 sp 7fffaad77910 error 6 in aticonfig[400000+35000] <= I'm curious about that error
16:38<hackndoes>oh now i seee you reference
16:38<witte>hackndoes: and i do not know a lot about these cards, but are they new?
16:38<hackndoes>erKURITA: me too
16:38<hackndoes>witte: not at all, very old
16:38<erKURITA>witte relatively, 2008's
16:39<erKURITA>err
16:39<erKURITA>9200?
16:39<erKURITA>nope
16:39<erKURITA>quite old, I'd say about 3 years
16:39<hackndoes>yes it's about 2001 or something
16:39<witte>ok, stable should support it
16:40<hackndoes>so i will follow the tutorial there thanks guys
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16:43<hackndoes>cat /etc/apt/sources.list
16:43<hackndoes>less /etc/apt/sources.list
16:44<hackndoes>ooops sorry
16:47<blendmaster1024>i have my router system set up with iptables to forward between out to the internet from my system - but i want to host a webserver on the system i'm typing this on - how do i set up forwarding the other direction?
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16:48<hackndoes>erKURITA witte: when trying to load the fglrx module i get this error:
16:48<hackndoes>FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/misc/fglrx.ko): Cannot allocate memory
16:48<blendmaster1024>you shouldn't be using fglrx
16:49<hackndoes>blendmaster1024: y?
16:49<blendmaster1024>use the nvidia drivers - you have an nvidia card, so get the drivers from nvidia.com - they have linux packages
16:49<erKURITA>blendmaster1024 read up
16:49<erKURITA>he messed up the names
16:49<hackndoes>i have ati card not nvidia
16:49<erKURITA>he's got an ATI
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16:49<blendmaster1024>oh
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16:50<erKURITA>netsplit huh
16:50<erKURITA>welcome back
16:50<abrotman>don't think so ?
16:50<erKURITA>really?
16:50<witte>hackndoes: are you sure your card is supported by the fglrx
16:50<erKURITA>o_O?
16:50<abrotman>i'm going to guess those are bots
16:51<abrotman>they didn't quit, they just all joined at once
16:51<erKURITA>:X
16:51<hackndoes>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (rev 01)
16:51<hackndoes>01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (Secondary) (rev 01)
16:51<erKURITA>witte an old 9250 I had was "supported"
16:51<erKURITA>Though it did not provide DRI
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16:51<hackndoes>witte: not sure
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16:52<blendmaster1024>what the heck?
16:52<abrotman>hackndoes: the fglrx is not for your card ..
16:52<hackndoes>abrotman: what is then?
16:53<hackndoes>abrotman: what should i install as driver for my ATI?
16:54<abrotman>you shouldn't have had to do anything
16:54<hackndoes>why?
16:54<witte>hackndoes: xserver-xorg-video-ati
16:55<witte>hackndoes: or xserver-xorg-video-radeon
16:56<abrotman>hackndoes: undo whatever fglrx thing you did .. aptitude install xorg .. start X
16:56<hackndoes>witte: what am i to to? only install that? no configurations needed like say in xort.conf?
16:56<witte>hackndoes: xorg does not need that anymore (normally)
16:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 411] by debhelper
16:57<hackndoes>OK
16:57<witte>hackndoes: just install the packages i mentioned, and restart x (remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf if needed)
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16:58<hackndoes>witte: so where does it read it's configuration then?
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16:58<witte>hackndoes: in the same file, but it is just much better at checking normal values
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16:59<witte>hackndoes: only if you need something special, you need to put that in the file
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16:59<witte>hackndoes: I use it only for the dual screen setup, but that's it
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17:00<bja>!ops can you please put a Registered mode on the channel
17:00<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: bja complains about: can you please put a Registered mode on the channel
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17:01<abrotman>!nospambots
17:01<dpkg>nospambot is http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds or just "/ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS"
17:02<abrotman>bja: the network is slowly getting to it
17:02<bja>abrotman: thx my repertoir on irc is also slowly growing
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17:08<s4br3>Hi, which is the most convenient way to install R zip-files not found in the Debian repository? If install them from within R they end up in /tmp and don't survive reboot.
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17:09<themill>s4br3: I've heard good things about cran2deb
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17:09<s4br3>themill, is it a repository?
17:09-!-co_17fB is "(unknown)" on (unknown)
17:10<s4br3>hmmm ;)
17:10<themill>s4br3: no, a script to turn cran packages into debs. There's a couple of threads on the debian-science mailing list about it
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17:10*xeon-enouf wonders what R is
17:10<abrotman>it's a programming language for statistics
17:10<themill>!r
17:10<dpkg>R is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. To install: aptitude install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianScience/R http://www.r-project.org/ And it's "are", not "r".
17:10<s4br3>xeon-enouf, it is a fine statistics package
17:11<s4br3>themill, Thanks!
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17:15<s4br3>themill, ironically cran2deb is not in the Debian repository. :D
17:15<themill>s4br3: isn't yet but it sounded like it would be some time soon from that thread
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17:16<s4br3>sad
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17:16<neutrino> hi, i am new to linux, i have installed ntfs-3g and libntfs packages but i still couldn't access the ntfs filesystems of my harddrive,i get error message displayed as "Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume."
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17:17<bja>abrotman: http://p12n.org/ seems to be an unconfigured apache server,
17:17<abrotman>bja: huh ?
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17:17<bja>the nospambot script for irssi you mentioned a few thousand lines back
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17:18<abrotman>peterS: should we remove that reference in the !spambots factoid ?
17:18<s4br3>themill, I recall someone who wanted to put all distribution generators in one package. Maybe this is more major than a quick fix
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17:19<s4br3>http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-science@lists.debian.org/msg03306.html
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17:21<s4br3>They have a Debian repository!
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17:21<marcte>trying to restore a tape backup
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17:22<blendmaster1024>i'm trying to make http://my.host.com/repo go to /media/sdb1/packagerepo and http://my.host.com/repo/dists go to /media/sdb1/packagerepo/dists and so on, but it isn't working - what am i doing wrong? the site-config file : http://www.pasteall.org/8034
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17:22<Woet>How would I see which process is sending out packets?
17:22<Woet>I see a lot on tcpdump -n, I would like to see which process is sending that
17:22<blendmaster1024>!tell woet about enter
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17:23<Woet>that's just normal enter usage.
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17:23<blendmaster1024>quick before you do something bad :) ... i don't know of a program to do that. and that's what i said when abrotman did it to me.
17:23<abrotman>Woet: you mean the actual PID ?
17:24<Woet>yes, abrotman
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17:24<Woet>i want to see which process sends out data to a specific IP
17:24<abrotman>is it sustained ?
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17:24<abrotman>fuser -n tcp <port#> ?
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17:26<Woet>i need _outgoing_ packets
17:26<Woet>not listening/incoming
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17:28<Woet>01:25:55.806307 IP machineip.56304 > remoteip.7776: UDP, length 1335
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17:28<Woet>i want to know which process is sending out that.
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17:30<rudi_s>Woet: netstat -anp
17:30<Woet>it doesn't show up there
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17:35<rudi_s>Woet: Hm, works for me.
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17:56<daniel>hi all
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17:58<daniel>exit
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18:10<valdyn>rudi_s: -anp does not show udp ports at all
18:11<rudi_s>valdyn: Sorry then, I tried it with nc and it worked. What can then be used to connect the process to the udp port?
18:12<valdyn>rudi_s: -uanp
18:12<rudi_s>valdyn: Ah, thanks.
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18:19<Overfiend>got an rpc/portmapper problem. portmapper is running on 192.168.1.103, is listening on * interfaces per netstat -lt, hosts.allow is allowing traffic from "portmap: 192.168.", hosts.deny is empty, but rpcinfo -p 192.168.1.103 from 192.168.1.82 fails. Ideas?
18:19<Overfiend>fails due to timeout, I should add
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18:20<azeem>Overfiend: well, iptables?
18:20<Overfiend>azeem: nothing problematic AFAICT
18:21<Overfiend>happy to /query or pastebin the whole output, though
18:21<Overfiend>it's pretty default
18:21<azeem>otherwise, I'm no portmapper expert
18:23<Overfiend>azeem: http://paste.debian.net/47021
18:23<Overfiend>I see nothing funky. This is not the firewall box, so its setup is pretty simple.
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18:26<witte>anyone else who has problems with openoffice.org in unstable? I get the splash screen, and afterwards this in the terminal: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'com::sun::star::uno::RuntimeException'
18:26<witte>I did not find any bug that seemed related
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18:27<Overfiend>hmmm, okay. well, gotta go and buy a new litterbox for the cats
18:27<Overfiend>will come crawling back to beg for help again later
18:27<azeem>sorry :-/
18:28<azeem>Overfiend: my guess would still be to disable iptables temporarily to be sure
18:28<Overfiend>yeah, I'm baffled
18:28<azeem>Overfiend: or is there some clever router in between?
18:28<Overfiend>I can't even tell what init script starts it up these days
18:28<azeem>inetd?
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18:28<Overfiend>azeem: an old Linksys WRT54G is in between. But I can run rpcinfo from .103 *to* .82
18:28<Overfiend>I cannot go back the other way
18:28<Overfiend>so .103 is being bitchy
18:28<azeem>ah, ok
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18:29<azeem>maybe one can turn on debug logging to syslog or something?
18:29<Overfiend>I ran tcpdump and wireshark. .103 is a roach motel for the sunrpc port
18:29<Overfiend>the packets come in, but no replies ever get out
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18:30<Overfiend>azeem: I'm running openbsd-inetd. Is that the standard these days?
18:30<azeem>yes, AFAIK
18:30<azeem>if inetd can be considered standard at all
18:30<xeon-enouf>Overfiend: rpcinfo -p hostname?
18:30<Overfiend>xeon-enouf: that's what doesn't work
18:31<mistermike>hello i was wondering if any one can help me with upgraded the version of vsftpd that is on my server I have debain lenny on it and i vsftpd (2.0.7-1) and would like to upgrade to vsftpd (2.2.0-1)
18:31<xeon-enouf>hrm, you posted IPs abovwe
18:31<azeem>xeon-enouf: IPs are the computer notation of hostnames
18:31<Overfiend>should I be afraid that if I enable debugging for openbsd-inetd, that I will get a gigantic ASCII art rendering Theo de Raadt's face once per second? "WAR IS PEACE"
18:31<azeem>hehe
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18:32<azeem>ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere state RELATED,ESTABLISHED
18:33<Overfiend>xeon-enouf: I don't have DNS resolution for the hosts inside my firewall. Sometimes I just stick things in /etc/hosts but mostly I just have their IPs memorized and use those.
18:33<azeem>again, I know nothing about iptables, but maybe that rule says something like "only answer to connections we initiated ourselves"?
18:33<Overfiend>ah, with an exception for ssh
18:34<azeem>I mean the output chain
18:34<Overfiend>hmmm...http connection to .103 is timing out, too
18:34<Overfiend>and yet I have a listening service on :www
18:34<Overfiend>hmmm!!!!
18:34<Overfiend>you may be right
18:34<azeem>just a wild guess
18:35<Overfiend>Sigh. I've had this box for 5 years and upgraded it steadily since potato or whatever. I have NFI when I last futzed with ipfwadm/netfilter/ipchains/iptables/whatever the flavor of the week is.
18:35<Overfiend>:(
18:36<azeem>hurry up, I heard there's an iptables replacement coming up!
18:36<Overfiend>I'm sure there is :-/
18:36<xeon-enouf>Overfiend: i was just going by what man rpcinfo says about -p
18:36<Overfiend>xeon-enouf: it accepts IP addresses. Practically all Unix utilities that accept hostnames accept IPs in their place.
18:36<xeon-enouf>but if you've used it that way, and you have, since the inverse works, then nm
18:37<Overfiend>just saves a gethostbyname() call, is all
18:37<xeon-enouf>Overfiend: yes.. understood, however the man page should say that- and for hostname to work, some sort of DNS needs to be working/running
18:38<azeem>xeon-enouf: but he doesn't use hostnames
18:38<Overfiend>okay, output chain nuked
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18:39<Overfiend>azeem: HTTP still timing out.
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18:39<azeem>Overfiend: access.log?
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18:39<azeem>well
18:40<azeem>pretty weird
18:40<abrotman>Overfiend: do you load these rules from a script, or did you type them in?
18:40<azeem>you can try nuking the input chain as well, though
18:40<Overfiend>abrotman: I, uh, have no idea where they came from, or what in init.d loads them. I grepped.
18:40<Overfiend>"Sigh. I've had this box for 5 years and upgraded it steadily since potato or whatever. I have NFI when I last futzed with ipfwadm/netfilter/ipchains/iptables/whatever the flavor of the week is."
18:40<azeem>5 years is like woody
18:41<Overfiend>sounds about right
18:41<Overfiend>before sarge, I'm sure
18:41<abrotman>IIRC, iptables takes action on the first match
18:41<azeem><Overfiend> Don't come crying to me about your "30 minute compiles"!! I have to build X uphill both ways! In the snow! With bare feet! And we didn't have compilers! We had to translate the C code to mnemonics OURSELVES! And I was 18 before we even had assemblers!
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18:41<Overfiend>azeem: :D
18:42<azeem>at some point, I should learn about firewalls
18:42<Overfiend>now stop that or I will mail you a box of gray hair
18:42<azeem>nighthawk~$ wc -l overfiend
18:42<azeem>84 overfiend
18:42<azeem>I can do this all night long
18:43<Overfiend>I dropped the input DROP rule as well. No difference.
18:43<Overfiend>external hosts can't HTTP HEAD /
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18:43<Overfiend>okay, I really gotta go. Gotta go to the pet store and then Michelle and I are going to catch the new Mike Judge movie (_Extract_)
18:44<azeem>see you!
18:44<Overfiend>I will be /away and logging, so if somebody wants to solve my problem in my absence, I will think of some nice way to repay them
18:45<mistermike>it seems there is a known bug in vsftpd (2.0.7-1) when an -aL command is issued while using smartftp
18:45<mistermike>i would like to upgrade to vsftpd 2.2.x
18:45<azeem>mistermike: what kind of bug?
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18:45<mistermike>it will disconnect
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18:46<mistermike>http://www.smartftp.com/forums/index.php?/topic/15573-550-failed-to-change-directory/
18:47<mistermike>this is the same problem i am having i tried using other ftp clients but I cannot find one as fast as smart and if an upgrade would fix the problem i think that would be the best solution
18:48<mistermike>vsftpd is the first ftpd that set up and it is the easiest for me to set up i was looking into others and it seems I cannot find a way to allow local users to login
18:49<mistermike>I am using debian lenny
18:49<mistermike>the version in sid is the one i am looking for
18:50<azeem>!ssb
18:50<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
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18:54<mistermike>how do i check if it has been backported?
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18:55<ml|>dpkg bpo
18:55<dpkg>backports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
18:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 383] by debhelper
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18:58<mistermike>so do you guys think that i should stick with vsftpd or try another
18:59<dr|z3d>proftpd also good, I think. Entirely up to you.
18:59<mistermike>I am just learning remote administration of a server and I think I could figure out somthing like pure or pro but i feel vsftp is easier to learn
19:00<dr|z3d>If you want a ui to configure the server, gadmin-proftp or thereabouts might also prove useful.
19:00<themill>"none of the above" is an even better plan
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19:00<mistermike>I didnt see an option that would allow local logins for proftpd or pureftpd
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19:07<mistermike>its been a few years since i used linux as a desktop but it seemed that I could download a .deb file from a newer version and use apt-get to install that package manually
19:07<mistermike>wouldn't somthing like that be an option ?
19:07<azeem>mistermike: not if you want a working server
19:08<azeem>besides, apt-get doesn't install .deb files manually
19:08<mistermike>oh i see
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19:08<witte>anyone else who has problems with openoffice.org in unstable? I get the splash screen, and afterwards this in the terminal: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'com::sun::star::uno::RuntimeException'. Openoffice just dies afterwards. Removing ~/.openoffice.org did not help.
19:09<mistermike>i tried compiling it from source but i failed at that
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19:09<azeem>did you try to backport it?
19:09<ml|>mistermike: try the above ssb
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19:10<mistermike>i couldnt find any backports for vsftpd
19:10<azeem>to backport is a verb
19:10<azeem>it's different from "find"
19:10<mistermike>well i dont think i know how to do that then
19:11<ml|>read it /msg dpkg ssb
19:11<mistermike>yeah i read that
19:11<azeem>if you do not understand that, don't bother with vsftpd
19:11<azeem>or rather, try to evade ftp at all
19:11<mistermike>well it only gave me two links
19:11<mistermike>to mirrors
19:12<azeem>eh?
19:12<mistermike>this is all the bot said i guess backports.org mirrors is http://www.backports.org/debian/README.mirrors and http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/backports.org/README.mirrors.html
19:12<themill>!ssb
19:12<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
19:13<ml|>where?
19:13<azeem>mistermike: apparently not, eh?
19:13<themill>mistermike: ^^ have another go....
19:13<azeem>please pay attention
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19:14<mistermike>what do i add to the sources list?
19:15<azeem>mistermike: again, if you do not understand the above, don't bother
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19:15<mistermike>well most the time when i edited the sources file in the past it was more than just deb-src that i would add
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19:16<azeem>does it say to only add deb-src?
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19:17<mistermike>I think it does
19:17<azeem>01:15 < azeem> mistermike: again, if you do not understand the above, don't bother
19:17<mistermike>add only a "deb-src..." line to your sources.list
19:18<azeem>did you deliberately gloss over the "for sid"
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19:19<mistermike>no
19:19<mistermike>my mistake
19:20<mistermike>it seems there are many deb-src links that i could use
19:21<azeem>use the one for sid
19:21<mistermike>deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free ?
19:22<mistermike>no not that one
19:22<witte>mistermike: a deb-src line start with deb-src and experimental is not sid
19:22<mistermike>deb-src http://eeepc.debian.net/debian sid main contrib non-free ?
19:22<witte>mistermike: the previous one, is that in your sources.list?
19:23<azeem>mistermike: is that a full sid mirror?
19:23<azeem>I doubt it
19:23<azeem>!deb-src
19:23<dpkg>from memory, deb-src is 'deb-src http://http.<CC>.debian.org/debian/ <release> main contrib non-free' (example) where '<CC>' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-`uname -r` (if using a debian kernel) and "libc6-dev" installed.
19:23<mistermike> deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
19:25<witte>mistermike: that one is better...
19:31<mistermike>i have four in my sources.list fle
19:31<mistermike>deb ftp://mir1.ovh.net/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free deb-src ftp://mir1.ovh.net/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free
19:32<azeem>was that a question?
19:32<mistermike>that is why i was asking where to find one to add to it
19:32<azeem>add what?
19:32<valdyn>mistermike: why would you add one?
19:32<mistermike>dont i need to add a sid src to it
19:32<azeem>didn't you already?
19:32<azeem>01:23 < mistermike> deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
19:33<mistermike>i was just asking if that is one that i can use when i search the net i find many and dont know what one to use
19:33<azeem>01:25 < witte> mistermike: that one is better...
19:33<mistermike>ok just making sure that is one that i should use
19:33<azeem>also, did you even bother to read what dpkg wrote about deb-src above?
19:34<azeem>usually, information from dpkg is way more accurate than random stuff on the net
19:34<mistermike>yes i read that
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19:43<bombadil_>how can i use "make" and "make install" on debian to manually install something?
19:43<bombadil_>it says "make" not found
19:43<bombadil_>do i need to run apt-get install make ?
19:43<azeem>!installit
19:43<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
19:44<bombadil_>i am attempting to manually install my ethernet firmware
19:44<bombadil_>so apt-get isn't an option :)
19:44<azeem>why do you want to run make then?
19:44<bombadil_>i meant drivers
19:44<bombadil_>it is the installation method
19:44<abrotman>which drivers?
19:44<bombadil_>alt1c
19:44<azeem>so do you need make or not?
19:44<bombadil_>yes i do
19:45<bombadil_>make, then make install
19:45<azeem>then see above
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19:45<bombadil_>uhh ok
19:46<abrotman>!b-e bombadil_
19:46<dpkg>bombadil_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
19:46<bombadil_>ty, abrotman
19:47<bombadil_>so if i install build-essential, i will be able to then make install ?
19:47<abrotman>try it and see
19:48<bombadil_>i shall, thanks
19:59<bombadil_>hmm perhaps i will instead attempt to upgrade the kernel to a version which supports my ethernet by default
19:59<bombadil_>where can i get different kernels from?
19:59<bombadil_>!kernel-repository
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20:00<abrotman>!tell bombadil_ about bpo
20:01<bombadil_>thx :)
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20:07<bombadil_>abrotman, where can i find kernel packages on backports.org?
20:07<abrotman>bombadil_: did you add the source to your sources.list ?
20:07<bombadil_>abrotman: i cannot use apt-get, as i am currently trying to enable my ethernet
20:08<bombadil_>that is why i need a different kernel
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20:08<azeem>bombadil_: how are you going to download it?
20:08<bombadil_>i need 2.6.31-rc4 or newer, according to the wiki
20:08<bombadil_>i have another computer
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20:08<abrotman>bombadil_: uhm .. backports.org doesn't have that
20:08<bombadil_>i see
20:09<bombadil_>where can i obtain that kernel?
20:09<witte>bombadil_: kernel.org?
20:09<witte>bombadil_: you'll have to compile it yourself
20:10<bombadil_>is it possible to install a newly compiled kernel onto an already running system?
20:10<witte>bombadil_: temporary network card (old e100 or so) available?
20:10<bombadil_>no, it is a netbook
20:10<abrotman>!buildd
20:10<dpkg>well, buildd is Debian's automated build system that automatically compiles everything it finds. http://buildd.debian.org
20:10<abrotman>uh .. no
20:10<witte>bombadil_: but you have wired internet now?
20:10<bombadil_>the suggested method is to use an image from kernel-archive.buildserver.net but it seems to be down...
20:11<azeem>yes, it's down AFAIK
20:11<bombadil_>witte: i have no internet on my netbook, wired or wireless
20:11<abrotman>not what i wanted anyways
20:11<azeem>abrotman: that's the debian-kernel repo IIRC
20:12<bombadil_>i have the drivers for my ethernet card, but the command "make" does not work on Debian. i was able to successfully install the ethernet drivers last night on an ubuntu install; however i do not wish to run ubuntu
20:12<abrotman>ah .. that one .. yes
20:12<abrotman>sorry, i meant the buildd.debian.net not being what i wanted
20:12<azeem>bombadil_: because you didn't follow the b-e factoid
20:13<bombadil_>azeem: i did. but it had other dependencies, and then more etc... so i thought i would look into upgrading the kernel manually first
20:13<azeem>your choice
20:13<bombadil_>yes that goes without saying
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21:43<heartbeats>whats the gdm for python? to develop a window based appliccation
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21:44<abrotman>the gdm ?
21:44<abrotman>maybe you want to ask #python on freenode
21:44<heartbeats>mm
21:45<heartbeats>but no body responding ther
21:46<abrotman>on freenode ?
21:47<abrotman>you want pygtk perhaps ?
21:48<heartbeats>like ruby rails
21:48<heartbeats>python .....
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21:50<markrian>heartbeats might mean an IDE for python? Or RAD with python?
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21:52<edo_>.org
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21:53<bombadil_>well, i have managed to finally install the ethernet drivers ! unfortunately debian is still not detecting anything
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21:53<bombadil_>lsmod shows the module running, but is used by 0
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21:54<bombadil_>when i go to system > administration > network and activate the ethernet device
21:54<bombadil_>i set DHCP to automatic
21:54<bombadil_>but when i close the preference window it is deactivated
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21:56<bombadil_>anyone have any ideas? i am running Lenny stable on an Asus eee 1005HA netbook
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22:24<steve_>!ubuntu
22:24<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
22:25<steve_>what's wrong if i just always run as root?
22:25<abrotman>in ubuntu ?
22:25<steve_>in debian
22:25<steve_>duh
22:25<abrotman>uhm .. that's bad
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22:26<steve_>well, if i was running a server or something,
22:26<steve_>but for a typical person just messing around
22:26<abrotman>so what? .. what's the difference .. you shouldn't run everything as root
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22:26<steve_>what actually is wrong with running everything as root?
22:26<steve_>!root
22:26<dpkg>It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306
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22:26<abrotman>please msg the bot
22:27<steve_>!bot
22:27<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
22:27<abrotman>MSG THE BOT
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22:56<bombadil_>how long does it usually take a kernel to compile? it's been going for over 20 minutes so far !
22:57<dkr>that's quite a large 'depends'
22:57<bombadil_>haha, good point. well it's kernel 2.6.31 with basically default settings
22:57<bombadil_>i.e. everything
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22:58<dkr>the hardware is another large factor, we used to take bets at one place I worked on how long kernel compiles would take on certain machines
22:59<dkr>20 minutes is not unheard of for a midrange machine though
22:59<bombadil_>cool :)
22:59<bombadil_>i am running an intel core2 quad, 2.4ghz
22:59<bombadil_>8GB ram
23:00<bombadil_>what would your estimate/bet be on hardware such as this?
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23:01<leper>hello
23:01<leper>jaja
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23:05<abrotman>bombadil_: are you using kernel package ?
23:05<bombadil_>yes
23:06<abrotman>sorry ... kernel-package
23:06<bombadil_>yes i am
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23:06<abrotman>did you set the CONCURRENCY_LEVEL ?
23:06<bombadil_>nope, no idea what that is
23:06<flavio>anybody brazilian hear
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23:07<flavio>i need install wireless usb immy debian
23:07<flavio>i need help
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23:08<flavio>somebody?
23:08<flavio>speak portuguese?
23:09<abrotman>!pt
23:09<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
23:09<abrotman>bombadil_: if you had set that, you might actually be using all your cores
23:10<flavio>ok
23:10<bombadil_>abrotman: i just looked it up, i see what you mean. i am looking at system monitor though and all the cores an being used, but not all at 100%
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23:10<abrotman>probably too late now
23:10<flavio>DPKG como eu faço para entrar em debian pt?
23:10<dpkg>i don't know, flavio
23:11<abrotman>flavio: dpkg is a bot .. try #debian-pt or speak english here
23:11<abrotman>or #debian-br .. whatever it is
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23:13<bombadil_>i'll just wait. this probably won't take days, right?
23:14<abrotman>wouldn't think so
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23:15<bombadil_>how do i upgrade grub's menu.lst to have the new kernel?
23:16<bombadil_>what is the current method, i mean
23:16<bombadil_>all the guide's i have found are out of date
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23:18<leper>!seen adb
23:18<dpkg>adb <~adb@orb-rem-catv-c100-p100.vtx.ch> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 8h 16m 58s ago, saying: 'burnclouds, /msg dpkg dell'.
23:25<leper>hello everybody
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23:30<bombadil_>ugh compile failed at the last minute
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23:59<DmitryY>dpkg bot is opensource project?)
23:59<dpkg>...but bot is already something else...
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