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00:01<KingKong2020>I now have grub2 installed successfully and working on my squeeze
00:01<sney>hooray
00:01<sney>I just got force upgraded by apt
00:01<sney>haven't rebooted yet
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00:28<twb>Graah. All I want is for shutdown notifications generated by shutdown(1) or wall(1) to cause a popup on GNOME users' desktops.
00:29<twb>How is it possible that nobody has solved this problem already?
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00:30<Tachi>hola
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01:35<skrmm>Hello. I think someone can help me here. I have installed Debian Lenny 5.0.3 and need to configure my X. My graphic card is integrated VIA S3 Unichrome Pro and my monitor is Samsung SyncMaster 765MB. I want to set up 1024x768 100Hz. Help please.
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01:36<jm_>which mode does X use with the default config?
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01:36<skrmm>In monitor menu I see 1600x1200 at 60Hz
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01:36<jm_>ok so try to specify default resolution of 1024x768 then
01:37<leper>hello everyone
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01:39<skrmm>jm_, I've tried to change xorg.conf, but welcome screen still 60Hz :(
01:40<jm_>skrmm: wait a few minutes
01:40<skrmm>Ok, thanks for response
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01:42<leper>hello wich is the best network manager for kde?
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01:45<jm_>skrmm: http://pastebin.com/md4af049 this is what I use
01:45<jm_>skrmm: you can list several resolutions under Modes
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01:49<skrmm>Some info: Later(few months ago) I configured resolution and rate as I want, but using Gnome I had 1600x1200@60Hz at welcome screen. So question is: how can I configure Gnome DE ?
01:50<skrmm>Now I have clean installation of Debian and wanna configure it in right way
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01:55<jm_>gnome has control center for such things
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02:00<KingKong2009>Does anyone know if there is location bar feature planned for Konqueror
02:00<skrmm>jm_, unfortunately, I'm not a certified Gnome specialist :-) Try to google it
02:00<KingKong2009>I mean just like Dolphin has
02:01<jm_>skrmm: me neither, but there are decent docs online
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02:08<Fatboy12345236>..
02:08<Fatboy12345236>Anyone alive?
02:08<Fatboy12345236>:/
02:08<leper>ea
02:08<Fatboy12345236>Can anyone offer me some help?
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02:08<leper>if i could i will =)
02:09<leper>so shoot
02:09<leper>lol
02:09<Fatboy12345236>Well, I'm a x-ubantu user, Ubantu turned out pretty gay for me
02:09<Fatboy12345236>and
02:09<Fatboy12345236>I was wondering to make the change,
02:09<Fatboy12345236>Where should I begin?
02:09<leper>!ubuntu
02:09<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
02:10<Fatboy12345236>lol
02:10<leper>are you using xubuntu??
02:10<Fatboy12345236>I never I surport ubantu
02:10<Fatboy12345236>xD
02:10<Fatboy12345236>no
02:10<leper>ubantu i never heard it
02:10<leper>lol
02:10<leper>you want an stetical change?
02:10<leper>or change to debian =B
02:11<Fatboy12345236>Yes, Change to Debain
02:11<Fatboy12345236>I'm liking the DE and stuff I see in Debain
02:11<Fatboy12345236>xD
02:11<leper>first you hate to download an iso image
02:11<leper>on the debian page
02:11<Fatboy12345236>no
02:11<leper>you have it?
02:11<Fatboy12345236>I'm running Debain
02:11<Fatboy12345236>but
02:11<leper>lol
02:11<leper>but?
02:11<Fatboy12345236>What are the diffrences and stuff?
02:12<Fatboy12345236>What should I know about?
02:12<leper>mmmm
02:12<leper>debian is very universal
02:12<Fatboy12345236>Btw what's Debain based on?
02:12<Fatboy12345236>xD It says that! lol
02:12<skrmm>jm_, I've find solution but for Ubuntu. In Debian I can't locate file usplash.conf :-(
02:12<leper>debian is based on nothing
02:12<leper>debian is debian
02:12<leper>lol
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02:13<Fatboy12345236>!debain
02:13<dpkg>Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh!
02:13<Fatboy12345236>xD
02:13<Fatboy12345236>!help
02:13<leper>debian
02:13<leper>yes
02:13<leper>lol
02:13<Fatboy12345236>!whatthehellisthisbot?
02:13<Fatboy12345236>!debhelper
02:13<dpkg>hmm... debhelper is a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. #debian's eggdrop bot
02:13<leper>send a message /msg dpkg 'yourmessage'
02:14<Fatboy12345236>ok what should I send?
02:14<jm_>skrmm: that's only for usplash
02:14<leper>that command
02:14<Fatboy12345236>k
02:14<leper>you don't choose debian, debian choose you
02:14<leper>lol
02:14<leper>that is what i believe
02:15<Fatboy12345236>lol I had help picking it
02:15<Fatboy12345236>what the hell?
02:16<leper>what is your problem if you have it runing?
02:16<Fatboy12345236>My keyboards kinda opersite?
02:16<Fatboy12345236>Like when I press " it comes up with @
02:16<Fatboy12345236>....
02:16<Fatboy12345236>How can I correct this?
02:16<Fatboy12345236>:?
02:16<Fatboy12345236>:/
02:17<leper>whit the distribution of your keyboard
02:17<Fatboy12345236>whit?
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02:17<Fatboy12345236>Hi.
02:17<Fatboy12345236>Where is google?
02:17<Fatboy12345236>xD
02:17<Fatboy12345236>goole is at www.google.com
02:18<Fatboy12345236>Where is google?
02:18<Fatboy12345236>dpkg respond!¬
02:18<dpkg>Fatboy12345236: I don't know, could you explain it?
02:18<Fatboy12345236>www.google.com
02:18<leper>fatboy don't joking please
02:18<Fatboy12345236>Where is google?
02:18<Fatboy12345236>k
02:18<leper>mod will get angry
02:18<Fatboy12345236>sorry,
02:18<leper>and ban you ok
02:19<leper>if have more question ask to dpkg
02:19<Fatboy12345236>PM him?
02:19<leper>yes
02:19<Fatboy12345236>k
02:19<leper>and then ask about your doubt
02:19<leper>if you still have do your question here
02:20<leper>=)
02:20<Fatboy12345236>errr
02:20<Fatboy12345236>" okay, Fatboy12345236"
02:20<Fatboy12345236>I need REAL help!
02:20<Fatboy12345236>My @ and " keys are mixed up...
02:21<leper>ask dpkg he will tell you the way
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02:21<Fatboy12345236>I did
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02:21<Fatboy12345236>He just said " okay, Fatboy12345236"
02:21<Fatboy12345236>:/
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02:22<leper>write on your pm with it "keyboard"
02:22<Fatboy12345236>Asked him again, he just said "ok"
02:22<leper>then fallow it
02:22<Fatboy12345236>ok
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02:24<jm_>!keymap
02:24<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
02:25<Fatboy12345236>Thanks, alredy had it
02:25<Fatboy12345236>Still failing
02:25<Fatboy12345236>letme try "x-keymap"
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02:26<Fatboy12345236>errr,
02:27<leper>ok
02:28<Fatboy12345236>still fail,
02:28<Fatboy12345236>I tried the x-map thing
02:28<Fatboy12345236>Can't work it out
02:28<Fatboy12345236>Can you help me?
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02:30<Fatboy12345236>leper?
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02:31<leper>wait i'm a lilbit busy
02:32<leper>!tell Fatboy12345236 about ask
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02:40<Fatboy12345236>errr. How do I open a .deb package?
02:40<Fatboy12345236>Don't tell me to ask dpkg!
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02:41<leper>.deb is a package for instalation
02:42<Fatboy12345236>Yes, I know.
02:42<Fatboy12345236>but how do I run it?
02:42<Fatboy12345236>:/
02:42<leper>with the command 'dpkg -i name.deb' on a console
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02:42<Fatboy12345236>k
02:43<Fatboy12345236>Also,
02:43<Fatboy12345236>Is there any way I can enable "sudo" as it was on ubantu?
02:44<leper>join like su
02:44<Fatboy12345236>join like su?
02:44<leper>yes
02:44<leper>Super User
02:44<Fatboy12345236>:O
02:44<leper>on console, write su
02:44<Fatboy12345236>Login as root?
02:44<leper>and then your pass
02:44<Fatboy12345236>so
02:44<Fatboy12345236>like su is sudo?
02:44<leper>yes something like that but on console
02:44<Fatboy12345236>k
02:44<leper>nnono sudo is like su
02:45<leper>lol
02:45<Fatboy12345236>Also, What do you think is the best MSN messenger client? I asked dpkg but it just gave me a list of clients....
02:45<Fatboy12345236>xD
02:45<leper>what you want to do??
02:45<leper>only chat?
02:45<leper>cam support?
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02:46<Fatboy12345236>Well.
02:46<leper>???
02:46<Fatboy12345236>The closest thing to Windows Live Messenger as possible...
02:46<Fatboy12345236>I guess...
02:46<leper>ok
02:46<leper>amsn
02:46<Fatboy12345236>k
02:46<locklace>!space bar
02:46<dpkg>The space bar is the correct way to separate connected sentences on IRC. Please use it. The Return/Enter key is not a substitute.
02:46<Fatboy12345236>apt-get install amsn?
02:46<leper>yes
02:47<Fatboy12345236>ok
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02:50<Fatboy12345236>I got TWO more questions, and yes, I've asked dpkg he said "What are you on about?"
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02:50<Fatboy12345236>Anyways,
02:51<Fatboy12345236>In ubantu it has Window effects E.G Closing a window = fade
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02:51<Fatboy12345236>is there any way I can get these on Debain?
02:51<leper>use compiz
02:51<leper>ubantu jajaj
02:51<leper>that is ubuntu
02:51<Fatboy12345236>apt-get install compiz?
02:52<leper>go
02:53<Fatboy12345236>go?
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02:54<leper>go with the command
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03:05<torocatala>hey
03:05<torocatala>i have a problem
03:05<torocatala>i do a aptitude update on 3 debian
03:05<torocatala>but
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03:06<torocatala>all stop at the 99%
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03:06<torocatala>one of the debian don't use the same dsl
03:07<torocatala>then... what can happen?
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03:39<InkBottle>Hi, is there a channel dedicated to kernel compiling? (a debian one)
03:40<locklace>i hope not
03:40<InkBottle>is this to me?
03:40<jm_>yes
03:40<InkBottle>:)
03:41<InkBottle>It's against my will I'm doing that
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04:03<Yoda-BZH`Wk>salut/hi
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04:07<torocatala>not to many people writes at this channel
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05:13<Nameeater>I've fetched the source of a package that had ipv6 disabled, how can I go about building the package now that I've edited the debian/rules file? apt-get -b source packagename starts to fetch the package again as I've modified the rules file
05:14<petemc>debuild
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05:16<jm_>!package rebuild
05:16<jm_>!package recompile
05:16<dpkg>1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules> <apt-get source>
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05:17<Nameeater>thanks petemc/jm_
05:17<jm_>np
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05:23<Barami>Hello :)
05:24<ces200>hello, Is there a program that you can recommend a mssql connection ?
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05:24<ces200>(for debian lenny)
05:24<Barami>Hmm.. i don't know program for mssql..
05:24<Barami>Sorry.;
05:24<jmarsden>ces200: The ODBC libraries? unixodbc
05:25<ces200>Can I connect to the server with odbc and regulations
05:25<Barami>I heard about unixodbc, but it's too difficult to me...
05:25<miodi>hi, is there a definite guide on upgrading to sid available somewhere?
05:25<jm_>or sybase
05:26<jm_>i.e. php5-sybase etc.
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05:26<jm_>(perl also has db modules for it)
05:26<locklace>!sid upgrade
05:26<dpkg>Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead.
05:26<jm_>apt also found sqsh for me
05:27<miodi>locklace: but if i still want to try sid?
05:27<locklace>dpkg: be sid upgrade barbie
05:27<dpkg>But sid upgrade is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry*
05:27<jmarsden>ces200: also check out tdsodbc and freetds
05:27<ces200>php5-OCI is with
05:27<ces200>but could not find package php5-oci8
05:27<miodi>locklace: seriously
05:28<jmarsden>miodi: Nol if you need one, you are not ready for sid. Seriously.
05:28<miodi>jmarsden: ok :)
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05:28<Barami>miodi, If you want to upgrade, you can add sid repository in source list and can upgrade your distribution..
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05:30<ces200>You can see my work in programs maybe
05:30<ces200>I have to review some
05:30<ces200>thanks
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05:31<InkBottle_>I'm also googling
05:32<miodi>kinda funny that the Debian FAQ suggests that if you've got some experience you can use unstable as desktop
05:32<locklace>!sid faq
05:32<dpkg>http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (mirror); it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/squeeze... http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html
05:32<jm_>they are right, FSVO of "some experience"
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05:36<Barami>miodi, that's right.. but not lately..
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05:39<Barami>Lately, debian is unsafely, even testing(lenny) like rollercoaster..
05:40<Barami>Yesterday, i update packages in lenny using 'dist-upgrade'...
05:41<miodi>isn't testing "squeeze"?
05:41<Barami>it remove 'gnome-desktop-environment'. then i suprised.
05:41<Barami>miodi, No, tesing is squeeze.
05:42<Barami>I upgraded lenny to squeeze.
05:43<Barami>it remove gnome-desktop-environment meta package.
05:43<miodi>yep, i'm not terrible afraid of any crashes, just curious to try it out
05:43<jm_>so be brave and go ahead
05:44<Barami>So apt-get suggest remove all package related gnome-desktop-environment..
05:44<Barami>I don't want that..
05:44<miodi>Barami: i had that once with stable
05:45<Barami>Stable?
05:45<valdyn>Barami: apt-get or aptitude?
05:45<Barami>Good! suprise!
05:45<Barami>valdyn, apt-get..
05:45<miodi>Barami: yeah, lenny, i wanted to remove gnash and aptitude wanted to remove some gnome meta-package
05:46<valdyn>Barami: ok, that kind of implies that some gnome "base" package went missing or broken
05:46<Barami>apt-get suggest autoremove for unused packages. those are gnome related packages..
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05:47<valdyn>Barami: ah, that one, new for apt-get
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05:47<Barami>Because removed gnome-desktop-environment, apt-get marked packages as unused..
05:47<themill>!unmarkauto
05:47<dpkg>Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>.
05:48<InkBottle_>would 2.4.13 be a correct version for checkinstall?
05:48<InkBottle_>or there is something wrong with that?
05:48<valdyn>Barami: that is not unusual at all for upgrading to testing, its very common, and not hard to deal with
05:48<jm_>InkBottle: what do you mean?
05:48<valdyn>InkBottle_: is there an actual problem?
05:49<Barami>Yeah, i know. but recently gnome dependency has changed.
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05:49<Barami>So some packages delete gnome-desktop-environment..
05:50<InkBottle_>valdyn: perhaps the version is "2.4.13\n2.4.13"; not sure
05:50<InkBottle_>valdyn: so for you 2.4.13 should be ok
05:50<Barami>I solved problem by change package manually..
05:50<Barami>scrollkeeper -> rarian-compat.
05:51<daniel-vlc>someone knows the size of main/binary-i386 repo ???
05:51<Barami>nautilus-cd-burner -> brasero.
05:51<valdyn>!debstats
05:51<dpkg>debstats is managed by sussudio, http://debstats.dontexist.org/ (#debian FN) and http://members.ziggo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html (#debian OFTC)
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05:53<InkBottle_>jm_: checkinstall says 2.4.13 repeated twice on two lines and says it's not a compliant version number (but perhaps that means there is a "\n" inside the version number it has)
05:53<InkBottle_>I try 2.4.13 then
05:53<jm_>InkBottle_: sounds like it parses something incorrectly
05:53<jm_>!dstat
05:53<InkBottle_>jm_: could be
05:53<jm_>!dstats
05:54<dpkg>Debian Distro Stats on sid... 26951 packages, 2092 maintainers, 78002 MB installed size, 28402 MB compressed size.
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05:55<daniel-vlc>28 Gb ???
05:55<daniel-vlc>all archs ???
05:56<valdyn>daniel-vlc: no
05:56<themill>i386 only
05:56<daniel-vlc>ok thanks
05:56<jm_>I wonder what the value is for say amd64 port
05:57<themill>http://www.debian.org/mirrors/size
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05:58<jm_>so pretty much the same
05:58<daniel-vlc>great info themill !!! thanks again
05:58<jm_>I did remember there was info about it, just not where - tried asking dpkg about pool :)
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05:59<Barami>themill, Good! Thanks for link!
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06:04<daniel-vlc>this info is for all debian versions (etch, lenny, sid,squeeze... ) ???
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06:06<jm_>define "this"
06:07<daniel-vlc>www.debian.org/mirrors/size
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06:08<Barami>Hm... What package install for auto codec install?
06:08<Barami>Like ubuntu..
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06:21<valdyn>gnome-codec-install - GStreamer-Codec-Installierer
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06:21<valdyn>gnome-codec-install - GStreamer codec installer
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06:23<sander_m>Hi. A quick question. How can I output a single line of a (very large) file? For example, I have a monstrous 5 GB sql dump and I want to view/display just line 159975. How can I do that?
06:23<Barami>valdyn, apt-get say "It has no cadidates."
06:23<valdyn>judd: versions gnome-codec-install
06:23<judd>valdyn: gnome-codec-install -- experimental: 0.3.2 sid: 0.3.3 squeeze: 0.3.3
06:24<Barami>E: Package gstreamer-codec-install has no installation candidate
06:24<valdyn>Barami: it doesnt exist in lenny
06:24<Barami>i'm squeeze.
06:24<jm_>sander_m: sed -ne '159975p' file
06:24<sander_m>jm_: Thanks!
06:24<jm_>np
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06:26<Barami>Ahh.. valdyn I can install.
06:27<Barami>i update again, and try install package.
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06:37<madslundby>I have a bunch of updated Danish debian-installer translations, that I did in the spring. They've been proofread in the Danish Translator Community, so I'd like to have them committed before I do any further work on the debian-installer. Does any of you know where and how I can commit the po-files to the developers in a correct manner?
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06:38<themill>madslundby: you'll find the d-i developers in #debian-boot
06:38<madslundby>Thank you
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07:22<darkwizzard>hello. My webcam's are inaccessible without root
07:22<darkwizzard>and I did add myself to the video and plughw group
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07:36<darkwizzard>Chmod 777 on the devices doesn't work either
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07:59<tzafrir_laptop>Is there a site that provides video hosting and shows videos as ogg/theora in a <video> tag?
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08:01<Barami>Youtube?
08:02<petemc>dailymotion
08:02<Txt_file>I there a way to use WPA/WPA2 during debian install?
08:03<jm_>tzafrir_laptop: dream on
08:04<gsimmons>Txt_file: Not with Lenny's installer. The kmuto builds (/msg dpkg kmuto) have experimental WPA support.
08:05<petemc>jm_: im pretty sure thats exactly what dailymotion.com does
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08:06<Txt_file>Is it planned for the squeeze d-I?
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08:07<jm_>petemc: random click on some clip gives me flash on the page
08:08<petemc>jm_: aye, they've been about for a while and havent converted all their videos, but it supports ot
08:08<petemc>it
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08:32<Barami>Anybody else?
08:33<Torsten_W>for what?
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08:33<Barami>Is there a tool for batch image manipulate ?
08:34<Barami>crop or spilt, scale, rotate.. etc..
08:34<Torsten_W>imagemagick
08:34<locsmif>Yes
08:34<themill>imagemagick
08:34<locsmif>Imagamagick.. ;-)
08:35<locsmif>Barami, there are libraries for Perl
08:35<Barami>That's console program..
08:35<Torsten_W>and?
08:35<locsmif>Barami, so?
08:35<Barami>I want to easy tool that using GUI..
08:35<Torsten_W>no gui-tool is fast as omagemagick
08:35<Torsten_W>s/o/i
08:36<locsmif>Barami, aha.
08:36<Barami>I okay. even slow..
08:36<jm_>gimp can be scripted etc.
08:36<Barami>gimp?
08:36<locsmif>Script-fu
08:37<dr|z3d>Gimp. The freeman's Photoshop, Barami
08:37<Barami>Oh, Thanks, I'll install gimp.
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08:37<locsmif>Barami, it won't be easy though..
08:37<DarkMike>Hey, all! :)
08:38<locsmif>hi DarkMike
08:38<dr|z3d>Also see inkscape and xaralx, perhaps.
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08:38<Gold24>Barami: you really would be better off using imagemagick
08:39<DarkMike>I'm new and just looking around in the Debian-Community
08:39<Barami>I see a picture on my pmp. But it's screen is too small. then, i'll split picture and put into my pmp..
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08:46<locsmif>DarkMike, great, if you need help, this channel is for you
08:46<locsmif>There is also #debian-offtopic for social chat
08:47<dr|z3d>Barami: Also do an "apt-cache search batch" perhaps.. there are specialist tools available that _just_ do batch processing, nothing else.
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08:49<Barami>dr|z3d, Out of question, I found a GUI renamer. Thanks!
08:49<locsmif>dr|z3d, I've done scripting on wave files, but in Windows, using a gui. The script is recorded using GUI actions, then you can run it on a selection of files. I like non-GUI scripting fine, but that was a great way to do it.
08:50<dr|z3d>locsmif: Suprisingly there are UI based tools for image batch processing in Debian as well. :)
08:50<locsmif>dr|z3d, cool
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08:54<DarkMike>locsmif: Thank you for the information. For now I'm just reading through the information on the debian page. Next step will be to set up the mailing lists.
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08:56<locsmif>DarkMike, also check out: http://www.debian-administration.org/ sometime
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08:58<Barami>Hm... GUI tools not support split action..
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09:01<Barami>i just use imagemagick in terminal..
09:01<Barami>That's too bad. OTL..
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09:08<jm_>heh I loved display for that in dos
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09:13<bloebb>hi, i want to switch from automounting usb-drives to manual mounting, because i am experiencing trouble (Debian Lenny)
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09:14<bloebb>what would I have to do to stop the system from automounting usb mass storage devices?
09:14<bloebb>or maybe could i fix automounting somehow...
09:15<neutrino>hi, i have installed the driver for Nvidia GeForce 5500, but still i am not able to to change my screen resolution.
09:15<bloebb>how do you try to do it?
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09:15<locsmif>automounting? I thought you get a dialog to mount?
09:15<bloebb>locsmif: i am using hal
09:16<jm_>neutrino: check x logfile first
09:16<bloebb>and the thing is that suddenly all my permitions were messed up
09:16<bloebb>and some usb drives were only mounted as read-only
09:16<locsmif>bloebb, well, when I attach usb devices,afaik they are not automounted but detected and I am presented with a dialog asking me if I want to mount or not...
09:16<bloebb>i don't know why
09:16<locsmif>bloebb, check fstab, perhaps
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09:17<locsmif>Are there any definitions in there which could apply to USB drives?
09:17<bloebb>locsmif: there is no entry in fstab
09:17<locsmif>NTFS formatted usb drives will likely be mounted read-only
09:17<bloebb>it is dynamically generated
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09:17<bloebb>an only to be found in mtab
09:17<bloebb>this is all ext2
09:17<locsmif>bloebb, fstab dynamically generated?
09:17<locsmif>You lost me there..
09:18<bloebb>no, fstab is static
09:18<neutrino>jm, i have tried installed the driver through synaptic, but i didn't know how to configure.
09:18<locsmif>bloebb, permissions for mounted filesystems are often governed by fstab, and RO usually indicates NTFS...
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09:18<bloebb>neutrino: f that is to hard, try the nvidia-installer. it's really smooth and easy
09:18<jm_>neutrino: you edit xorg.conf and tell it to use driver "nvidia"
09:18<Barami>bloebb, if you add entry into fstab file, gnome don't mount automaticaly
09:18<jm_>neutrino: do not use nvidia installer
09:19<jm_>!tell neutrino -about nvidia
09:19<jm_>neutrino: wiki page has docs
09:19<bloebb>ok, but actually i want gnome to do that
09:19<bloebb>jm_ why not?
09:20<Barami>bloebb, lenny's automount problem is fixed in testing..
09:20<bloebb>the problem ist that I need to know which program deals with the permissions for automounting/messes them up
09:20<Barami>Ah..
09:20<jm_>bloebb: because it messes up things when upgrades occur etc.
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09:20<Barami>bloebb, You must install policykit-gnome.
09:20<bloebb>jm_: ture but reinstall is easy though
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09:21<bloebb>ok, i don't have that
09:21<bloebb>but i just wonder why the problem occurs at all
09:21<bloebb>i installed that system shortly and everything worked really fine
09:21<bloebb>and then suddenly all messed up
09:22<Barami>If you access disk, it need policykit permit.
09:22<bloebb>i never attached my drives to an os other than debian
09:23<bloebb>but this is not a dependency of hal or dbus and so it _should_ work without
09:23<bloebb>i am just trying to explain to myself what happened...
09:23<Barami>But, in lenny policykit can't ask you because, policykit-gnome doen't installed..
09:24<bloebb>ok, i'll just install that now
09:24<Barami>and restart X or restart nautilus
09:25<bloebb>or, wait: is there any reason for doing it all by hand (editing fstab, creating a static mountpoint...)
09:25<bloebb>i mean does that have any considerably big advantages?
09:25<Barami>it can mount by user, not administrator..
09:26<bloebb>i don't quite understand that
09:26<bloebb>why wouldn't you be able to mount as user with hal/dbus
09:27<Barami>gnome adopted policykit..
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09:27<bloebb>but i was mounting my drives automatcally as user all the time
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09:29<bloebb>i think, i don't get it...
09:30<Barami>it controll advanced pormissions for system. it aim advanced security..
09:30<bloebb>and i think, for better understanding of what i do, i will switch to mounting manually
09:30<bloebb>so, devices listet in fstab will not be mounted automatically?
09:31<Barami>yes.
09:31<bloebb>ok
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09:44<valdyn>bloebb: polkit-gnome-authorizazion is a gui interface to this
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09:45<weczi>hi
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09:45<weczi>pomoze ktos w kompilacji jajka?
09:45<dr|z3d>!pl
09:45<dpkg>polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
09:45<weczi>ok thx
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09:49<weczi>pls hlp with kernel
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09:49<dr|z3d>!ask
09:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
09:49<weczi>dpkg nikogo tam niema
09:49<dpkg>weczi: I give up, what is it?
09:50<weczi>dkgp no one there on debian.pl
09:50<dr|z3d>weczi: And English here, please. Or the polish channel on freenode, referenced above.
09:50<dr|z3d>weczi: Not on this network. You need to join irc.freenode.net
09:50<weczi>ok cool i try in your way ;)
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09:51<dr|z3d>> /server irc.freenode.net then /join #debian.pl
09:51<weczi>linux-2.6.30.7# make xconfig
09:51<weczi> CHECK qt
09:51<weczi>*
09:51<weczi>* Unable to find the QT3 installation.
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10:02<bloebb>hey, i found out what was the problem with my usb drives
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10:03<bloebb>if you use ext2 or ext3 you generally do not have write access as a normal user unless you create a directory fo the user
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10:04<petemc>or change the permissions on an existing director..y..
10:05<bloebb>yes
10:06<bloebb>is it okay, if that directory then belongs to root?
10:06<bloebb>no...it's not :)
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10:20<megabraker>hi
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10:21<megabraker>is this any one that could help me on bt4
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10:22<bja>!ask
10:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
10:22<megabraker>ok
10:22<megabraker>i installed bt4
10:22<megabraker>but the sound does not start
10:22<bja>!enter
10:22<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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10:24<megabraker>is this anybody who can help? please
10:24<megabraker>!!!!
10:24<dpkg>"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
10:25<dr|z3d>!audio
10:25<dpkg>hmm... sound is ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <ac97>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts>, <devdsp>, <rs>.
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10:27<megabraker>the audio did not start is this any help
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10:32<eightyeight>you know, there's more noise in the channel with the bot invocations. just sayin'
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10:34<bloebb>hi, i still hav some permition problems with my not vfat-formatted drive
10:35<bloebb>i simply cannot get user access, no matter wgat i do...
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10:36<eightyeight>bloebb: is this an ext3 drive? what do you mean 'not vfat-formatted'?
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10:36<bloebb>sorry, a typo
10:37<bloebb>it is vfat formatted
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10:37<eightyeight>bloebb: what are the permissions on the mounted directory when plugged into the system?
10:37<bja>bloebb: what does the mount command outputs when you try to mount the drive?
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10:38<bloebb>drwxr-xr-x 2 user user
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10:38<bloebb>it works just fine
10:39<eightyeight>bloebb: so what are your problems then? didn't you say you cannot get user access?
10:39<bloebb>and outputs nothing for that reason
10:39<bloebb>yes
10:39<bloebb>i cannnot get write acces as user
10:40<eightyeight>bloebb: does the flash drive have a hardware switch for write protection?
10:40<bloebb>no
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10:41<bloebb>...i did another chmod now...
10:41<bloebb>seems to work
10:41<eightyeight>what chmod?
10:41<bloebb>maybe i was messing up chown and chmod...
10:41<bloebb>chmod u+w
10:42<eightyeight>it was already set, according to the output you pasted above
10:42<bloebb>obviously not
10:42<stuckey>What's the svn command to check out the latest version?
10:42<stuckey>I thought it was "svn up" but I don't think that's right...
10:42<adb>svn co
10:43<Gold24>stuckey: depends on what you already have
10:43<stuckey>I checked out the whole debian games thing...
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10:43<stuckey>So I have pkg-games/ and then in there is everything
10:44<stuckey>It's pkg-games/trunk and then all of the folders of the games
10:44<Gold24>then you should be able to use svn up inside that dir to update
10:44<stuckey>inside trunk?
10:44<Gold24>yeah
10:45<Gold24>probably also inside pkg-games
10:45<stuckey>I did it inside of trunk... says it checked out a new version. Thanks
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11:03<slaughterdark>hi i have problem when i want to use synaptic i got the following error : W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://ftp.de.debian.org squeeze/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_binary-i386_Packages)
11:03<slaughterdark>W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://ftp.de.debian.org squeeze/main Translation-ro (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_i18n_Translation-ro)
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11:05<Barami>slaughterdark, you can delete line in /etc/apt/source.list
11:05<Barami>check duplicate line and remove it.
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11:15<wfaulk>I just installed debian on a new Dell T3500. Everything seemed to go fine during the install, but it locks when gdm gets run at boot
11:15<wfaulk>if I disable gdm, everything runs fine
11:15<wfaulk>I have at least once run gdm after boot and it came up fine
11:15<wfaulk>any ideas where to start looking?
11:16<dr|z3d>wfaulk: If slim's available in your repos, you could try that instead.
11:16<wfaulk>slim?
11:17<dr|z3d>Yeah, slim.
11:17<wfaulk>different display manager?
11:17<dr|z3d>It's an alternative greeter.
11:17<wfaulk>okay
11:17<slaughterdark>Barami: i still have the problem after i remove the duplicate line from sources.list
11:17<SKL_Makay> Simple Login Manager
11:17<Barami>slaughterdark, update again!
11:18<SKL_Makay>http://slim.berlios.de/
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11:18<slaughterdark>here's the error from synaptic again :W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://ftp.de.debian.org squeeze/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_binary-i386_Packages)
11:18<slaughterdark>W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://ftp.de.debian.org squeeze/main Translation-ro (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_i18n_Translation-ro)
11:18<slaughterdark>W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://ftp.de.debian.org squeeze/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_binary-i386_Packages)
11:18<slaughterdark>W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://ftp.de.debian.org squeeze/main Translation-ro (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_i18n_Translation-ro)
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11:19<card3r>hy all
11:19<Barami>...;;;
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11:19<SKL_Makay>hi
11:19<Barami>HEllo :)
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11:19<themill>dpkg: tell slaughterdark about paste
11:20<wfaulk>slim worked at least once, which is better than gdm. I'm still concerned, though. I find it hard to believe that gdm, and not the X server, could cause a total system lock like I saw
11:20<Barami>slaughterdark, http://paste.debian.org
11:21<Barami>http://paste.debian.net/
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11:24<Txt_file>Is it planned to add a fglrx-legacy to the non-free repo? cause radeon older than r600 aren't supported in the newest releases anymore.
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11:26<Torsten_W>Txt_file, where have u seen an fglrx-legacy driver who works with actual kernels?
11:28<cyres>re
11:28<Txt_file>Torsten_W: you're right … the better question is … where is the fglrx that works with the newest kernel
11:28<Torsten_W>Txt_file, ask ati
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11:29<Txt_file>yeah
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11:32<slaughterdark>Barami: http://paste.debian.net/47166
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11:32<Barami>slaughterdark, Plz post your sourcelist file..
11:33<themill>slaughterdark: you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to remove the duplicate entries
11:33<Barami>I think same thing..
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11:35<slaughterdark>Barami: Here's my sources.list : http://paste.debian.net/47168
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11:36<Barami>slaughterdark, line 5 and 7 is same..
11:36<themill>slaughterdark: delete lines 7 8 and 13. You probably don't need 17 or 18 either.
11:37<Barami>yes. :)
11:38<Barami>slaughterdark, http://paste.debian.net/47169/
11:39<Barami>It's my source list..
11:39<Barami>I'm korean, so server is korean server..
11:40<Barami>You can replace server that located at your country.
11:41<slaughterdark>Barami: thanks a lot no problem i will replace it
11:42<themill>err... don't do that
11:42<slaughterdark>Barami; you're on Lenny?
11:42<Barami>No, testing..
11:43<Barami>themill, What's wrong?
11:43<themill>Barami: btw "/msg dpkg stable sources.list" -- it's not such a good idea to use "stable" in your sources.list if you are using stable (less of a problem if you're using testing). Using -proposed-updates isn't always a good idea either.
11:43<Barami>Hm.. Okay.
11:44<Barami>I'll change stable and testing to lenny and squeeze..
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11:44<slaughterdark>Barami: are you using apt-pin?
11:44<leper>hello everyone
11:44<Barami>apt-pin?
11:45<leper>hello adb
11:45<slaughterdark>Barami: i need it for my nvidia card
11:45<themill>Barami: if you're content to keep tracking testing always, then you don't need to change your sources.list, but it's good practice for when you're helping others. Also, showing others your sources.list is rarely helpful different mirrors, different distributions etc. It's best to point them in the right direction for the documentation.
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11:46<Barami>Ok,
11:47<slaughterdark>Barami: the linux-headers are only on sid and experimental
11:47<Barami>?
11:48<Barami>linux-headers?
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11:49<slaughterdark>Barami: yes you need them when you are installing kernel-source
11:49<slaughterdark>nvidia-kernel-source
11:50<slaughterdark>Barami: i have 2.6.30-1 kernel
11:50<Barami>Ah.. I don't know about that..
11:50<Barami>I using that of Nvidia sites..
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11:52<themill>!nvidia squeeze
11:52<dpkg>non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers.
11:52<slaughterdark>Barami; yes i had used that but was not so good for me
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11:53<Barami>What's your card?
11:54<slaughterdark>themill: i had followed that from nvidiagraphicsdrivers and don't want to install the right kernel-source
11:54<chealer>slaughterdark: linux-headers are in all suites but experimental
11:55<slaughterdark>themill; i have Nvidia Fx5500 and i need 173xxx not 185xxx
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11:57<Barami>slaughterdark, I think you use legacy driver..
11:57<valdyn>slaughterdark: theres nvidia-glx-legacy too
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11:57<Barami>You must install legacy driver..
11:57<valdyn>judd: versions nvidia-glx-legacy
11:57<judd>valdyn: nvidia-glx-legacy -- etch/non-free: 1.0.7184-3
11:58<valdyn>judd: versions nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx
11:58<judd>valdyn: nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx -- sid/non-free: 173.14.20-1
11:58<valdyn>slaughterdark: that one i guess ^^
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11:59<slaughterdark>valdyn; yes this is the one i need :-)
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11:59<Barami>I recommend nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx package..
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12:01<slaughterdark>dpkg: !tum
12:01<dpkg>slaughterdark: I give up, what is it?
12:01<slaughterdark>!tum
12:01<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
12:03<faheem>Anybody know anything about Debian kernel bugs related to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1039476 ?
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12:04<slaughterdark>valdyn: i'm guessing i need lenny in my sources.list?
12:04<slaughterdark>valdyn; for nvidia-glx-legacy?
12:05<valdyn>faheem: i dont know anything, but ive seen bad i/o performance. I cant tell if that is related
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12:06<Barami>slaughterdark, You can check at http://packages.debian.org
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12:07<faheem>valdyn: ok, thanks.
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12:08<valdyn>slaughterdark: lenny kernel is at CONFIG_HZ=250 btw, not 100
12:08<valdyn>ops
12:08<valdyn>faheem: ^^
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12:09<faheem>valdyn: yes, i'm aware. supposed to be 1000, though, right?
12:10<valdyn>faheem: supposed to be?
12:10<valdyn>faheem: no its not supposed to be 1000
12:10<faheem>valdyn: no? someone said it was.
12:11<valdyn>faheem: higher hz means less thruput unless theres a bug
12:11<faheem>valdyn: hmm. well the aforementioned link suggests 1000, but is not very informative why.
12:12<faheem>anyone here got better info, or should i just google?
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12:12<DarkMike_>Hey! :)
12:13<valdyn>faheem: why dont you just run sysbench
12:13<faheem>valdyn: ok, what is sysbench does performance monitoring?
12:14<valdyn>faheem: no, its benchmark program
12:14<faheem>valdyn: only in squeeze though.
12:14<valdyn>faheem: the guy who wrote that article is pretty clueless
12:14<faheem>easy to backport?
12:14<faheem>valdyn: the ubuntu link?
12:15<valdyn>faheem: maybe it runs unmodified
12:15<valdyn>faheem: yes
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12:15<faheem>valdyn: ok, will try backporting and running sysbench. thanks very much. is sysbench good then?
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12:18<valdyn>faheem: what does that matter?
12:18<valdyn>faheem: youre just trying to reproduce who that guy got
12:18<Neosano>Hello guys, I have one interesting mission for someone about debian :)
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12:18<Neosano>Er, I want to make an alarm clock out of my laptop
12:19<Neosano>Windows XP & Debian installed, There's a tool for winXP called intelligent wakeup which wakes computer after it is hibernated
12:20<Neosano>that's probably right way to make it. This tool works OK for my computer, but my BIOS is quite shitty, don't have any options about hibernating/waking up at all
12:20<dr|z3d>Neosano: apt-cache search alarm
12:20<Neosano>In debian pm-suspend works good, but hibernating is done by s2disk
12:21<Neosano>dr|z3d ok, I'll try, but I'm sure it wouldn't work
12:21<mjt>lol
12:21<Neosano>dr|z3d all these tools just wont work for me
12:21<dr|z3d>Neosano: You're sure what wouldn't work?
12:21<dr|z3d>Oh, you've tried all available tools in the repos? Ok, can't help you then, sorry.
12:21<Neosano>:)
12:22<Neosano>Then you're not creative enough :)
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12:22<mjt>looks like nvram-wakeup tool (findable by this `apt-cache search alarm') is what you need
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12:22<dr|z3d>Neosano: Or you're lazy.
12:23<Neosano>mjt, good job, I've already searched for it in google trying all tuts about it - doesn't work
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12:23<Neosano>dr|z3d Definitely not
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12:24<mjt>that tool - it looks like - wants /dev/nvram, which isn't always present
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12:25<faheem>valdyn: ok. thanks again.
12:25<Neosano>mjt, er, yea
12:25<slaughterdark>thanks a lot guys for helping me out
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12:26<Neosano>I'm not that good in linux, a newbie.
12:26<Neosano>But just wondering... why everything is so complicated in linux if you're talking about hibernate/suspend? :D
12:26<mjt>Neosano: it's not only that, really
12:27<mjt>many other things are complicated too :)
12:27<Neosano>not that complicated...
12:27<Neosano>I had a problem in just making suspend&hibernate work
12:27<mjt>here, suspend/resume/hibernate JustWorks
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12:27<Neosano>and guess WHAT???
12:27<Neosano>just switched to KDE from GNOME and now it is working
12:28<Neosano>Strange enough...
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12:28<Neosano>Okay I gonna eat now
12:28<Neosano>I'll get back here after a while
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12:28<Neosano>Just wondering - maybe I can use windows to help linux go out of hibernate, huh?
12:29<lfaraone>if I want to make a manual configuration change to a package python file controled by python-support, can I just edit the /usr/share/python-support/packagename file?
12:30<mjt>lfaraone: files in /usr can't be edited freely, they will be replaced on next upgrade of the package in question.
12:30<valdyn>Neosano: google gives: http://acpi.sourceforge.net/documentation/alarm.html
12:30<valdyn>Neosano: but use your current suspend mode. I think you probably cannot hibernate
12:31<valdyn>Neosano: nevermind, seems like you can hibernate too
12:32<mjt>i wonder what's the new interface in /sys. I've seen this before (deprecation of /proc/acpi) but never found The New Way. Let's see...
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12:33<lfaraone>mjt: well, in order to add a moin plugin I need to install a file into "MoinMoin/util/". If I put it in local how can I ensure Python will know where to look?
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12:34<mjt>aha, here we go. /sys/power/alarm and.. /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm
12:35<mjt>(neither of which exists here :)
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13:15<slaughterdark>dpkg:!apt.conf.d
13:15<dpkg>slaughterdark: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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13:18<phr0663r>hi i'm a bit of a newbee to linux as a whole! so I apologise if my question is silly! id like too allow ONE user access too my var/www/* folder/s i looked at then man pages for chmod but i can see a way of giving access too just this one user. can someone point me the the correct man page please?
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13:21<stew>phr0663r: make that user the owner with chown, then use chmod to give only the owner access
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13:21<phr0663r>ok thanks, i'm asumming my root will still have access too?
13:23<phr0663r>even though i'm giving owner access only!
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13:25<kop>phr0663r: Root always has access.
13:25<phr0663r>ok thanks, just checking ^^
13:26<slaughterdark>!/etc/apt/apt.conf
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13:27<sney>slaughterdark: you can /msg the bot
13:27<slaughterdark>hi ,i dont understand what to do with /etc/apt/apt.conf for mixing squeeze/sid can you help me plz?
13:28<leper>there is where you config your repositories
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13:28<leper>i have problems with the mousepad of my notebook, it doesn't work now, my laptop is a compaq515
13:30<phr0663r>phr0663r@Stoic-Meltdown:/var$ chown phr0663r www/*
13:30<phr0663r>chown: changing ownership of `www/index.html': Operation not permitted
13:30<phr0663r>?? why is that wrong?
13:30<slaughterdark>leper: i have this on apt.conf :APT::Default-Release "testing"
13:30<slaughterdark>;
13:30<chealer>slaughterdark: just ask your question
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13:31<chealer>!tum
13:31<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
13:32<slaughterdark>chealer: i need to mix testing with unstable for nvidia drivers
13:32<slaughterdark>and i don't know how to do it
13:33<leper>slaughterdark: check here http://www.esdebian.org/wiki/sistemas-mixtos
13:33<leper>you have to translate it
13:34<leper>bye
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13:34<kop>I am annoyed at the caci package, which does not install /etc/apache2/conf.d/cacti.conf -- which is needed to run cacti with apache. I can understand that different webservers would be an issue, but isn't apt supposed to be able to handle this? Is there something I'm missing regards apt or cacti or should I be filing a bug report? (Boy, is bugs.debian.org slow today.)
13:34<kop>phr0663r: Because you're not root.
13:34<slaughterdark>leper:thanks
13:35<phr0663r>ah duh!! ok !! phr0663r moves over to the root terminal!
13:36<phr0663r>thats bettre! thank you all, veruy much :)
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13:37<chealer>slaughterdark: you do it the same way whatever reason you have to do it
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13:42<themill>kop: there are many things that you simply must do manual configuration of before they are useful. You did, of course, read README.Debian and look at /usr/share/doc/cacti/cacti.apache.conf though, didn't you?
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14:15<castillev>Hey, debian doesn't have something like "debian-desktop" like Ubuntu does, does it?
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14:16<castillev>..Uh...Anyone?
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14:16<sney>castillev: you mean, like a meta-package that installs everything you need for a full desktop environment??
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14:17<sney>I use debian, not ubuntu, so I don't know offhand what ubuntu stuff is about
14:17<castillev>Sney: Well, no. Ubuntu does that so you can't uninstall stuff like Openoffice. Its really annoying.
14:17<castillev>Ubuntu is based on Debian.
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14:17<sney>yes, but they changed a bunch of things
14:18<sney>!ubuntu
14:18<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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14:18<sney>anyway, once hardware support is in place, you can make debian do pretty much anything.
14:18<sney>this is what makes it Better(tm)
14:18<sney>if not necessarily easier during the initial setup. I think it's a fair trade.
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14:20<sney>castillev: anyway, what's ubuntu's "debian-desktop"
14:21<noflash>!ot
14:21<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
14:21<noflash>:))
14:21<noflash>that's all I know about "debian-desktop"
14:21<castillev>That's why I was wondering. :P Well, im thinking of switching to debian, I hear its more secure anyways. Plus, it doesn't come with oo installed, does it?
14:21<castillev>Gah! Damn internet giving out!
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14:22<bja>castillev: When you install debian you can do a bare bones install or you can mount a whole bunch of things, i believe there are four dvd on the lenny release
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14:28<johnfg>hi guys
14:29<johnfg>I need to choose the correct flashplugin. what do I give to the command update-alternatives so I don't have to do the whole list?
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14:29<luckygore>hello
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14:36<johnfg>Anyone for the updates-alternative question for flashplugin?
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14:53<hilacha3>plz, samba fails with wbinfo -u: Error looking up domain users
14:53<hilacha3>someone knows winbind?
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15:03<ukleinek>I have a question regarding dotlockfile(1). Is this the (or a) right channel for that?
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15:15<sdsdsd>hello guys, im on squeeze and i get Grub2. But i cant save my configs like on menu.lst?
15:15<sdsdsd>how to change it?
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15:15<ukleinek>sdsdsd: grub.cfg?
15:16<sdsdsd>how can i change configs of grub2?
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15:18<quinque>sdsdsd: what in the configs do you want to change?
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15:19<sdsdsd>vga=803 radeon.modeset=0
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15:19<Ignaz>good evening
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15:22<sdsdsd>quinque vga=803 radeon.modeset=0
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15:24<quinque>sdsdsd: http://pastebin.com/f5a53af2f, for the vga you need the gfxpayload, the radeon should maybe stay (not sure)
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15:25<sdsdsd>quinque, but i cant save the new grub.cfg
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15:25<stuckey>I just did an update and I have a blue screen that says "Unable to migrate to dependency based boot system." It gives problems at the end. If I correct those and re configure, will it work?
15:26<quinque>sdsdsd: with vim -> :w!
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15:27<neutrino>i have installed debian(lenny) few days earlier. I tried installed the driver for Nvidia GeForce 5500 through synaptic as well as downloading the driver. But still i am unable to configure the graphic card.
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15:34<sdsdsd>quinque i have edited it on VIM, how to save now?
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15:35<quinque>sdsdsd: ":w!" - without the quotes
15:35<stuckey>sdsdsd: hit ESC then :w!
15:35<quinque>yah .. ESC :)
15:36<Dark_Mike>Hey, all! :)
15:36<Ignaz>howdy, Dark_Mike
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15:41<Tuplad>In Debian, I took 30gb from an unmounted ntfs partition (I've had all the needed software to work with ntfs partitions) and made a new partition in linux. now, when I boot up in Windows, the ntfs partition is completely gone... the is a drive D: but it asks to be formatted. any ideas ? :o
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15:43<bardak>Hi. I have a problem http://paste.org.ru/?cfq43b
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15:43<tommy>!list
15:43<dpkg>tommy: VATTENE VIA
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15:46<Tuplad>anyone ? ^_^
15:46<wfaulk>I just installed debian on a new Dell T3500. Everything seemed to go fine during the install, but it locks up when gdm or slim gets run at boot
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15:48<potec>witam, mam starego laptopa ibm r40e, chcilbym zainstalowac tam debiana, ajka wesje mam sci¹gn¹c? :>
15:48<potec>z tego co pamietam jest tam procek intela
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15:49<wfaulk>if I diasble the login manager altogether, it works fine
15:49<wfaulk>if I install Xen, everything works fine
15:49<wfaulk>(oddly)
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15:50<wfaulk>I'd asked about this before and the seemingly good fix of moving to slim seems to have simply coincided with setting up Xen
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15:50<wfaulk>I had to disable xen temporarily and the problem immediately came back
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15:52<Hideo>!pl
15:52<dpkg>polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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15:53<urbinek>hi
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15:54<urbinek>how to create wireless home network with debian and wifi card ? WEP or WPA nothing more (like router)
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15:55<mazur>Hi. is here anybody from Poland
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15:55<urbinek>tak, ja, priv
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15:56<pfix>could the initrd be broken when my Lenny hangs during boot only sometimes at the point "loading modules ..."?
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15:57<Tuplad>anyone ? ^_^
15:57<Tuplad>In Debian, I took 30gb from an unmounted ntfs partition (I've had all the needed software to work with ntfs partitions) and made a new partition in linux. now, when I boot up in Windows, the ntfs partition is completely gone... the is a drive D: but it asks to be formatted. any ideas ? :o
15:57<scott->I'm trying to create a livecd from my debian installation as per the instructions at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/148. But when I try to follow the commands, I get an error message that genisoimage doesn't exist (though it is there when I go to the directory itself: http://debian.pastebin.com/m65b05e97 . What would cause this?
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15:58<locklace>urbinek: nothing doing unless your card supports master mode
15:58<sdsdsd>guys, on grub2 insmod ext2 can be changed to insmod ext3 if i use it?
15:58<pfix>Tuplad: what did you do exactly? you created an ntfs partition under linux to put files on it and this partition is not recognized under windows?
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16:00<pfix>scott-: when you "ls -l /usr/bin/genisoimage" you get a real file listed?
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16:00<urbinek>locklace: OvisLink AirLive WT-2000 PCI i think that it suppirt master-mode
16:01<Tuplad>pfix: no, I shrinked my ntfs partition... I took like 25gig from the end, made an ext3 partition out of it... but my ntfs partition remained there with like 60 more gigs left
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16:04<Tuplad>pfix: I think something went wrong, because if I right click on my drive D: > properties it says used 0 and free 0.
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16:04<pfix>Tuplad: when you installed linux did you make sure that ntfs partition is not formatted?
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16:05<Tuplad>pfix: I've got linux for like a year now, windows and linux were running seperatly.
16:05<Tuplad>pfix: but I needed some extra space in linux, so I cut some from windows.
16:05<wfaulk>Tuplad: how did you shrink the ntfs partition?
16:05<Tuplad>wfaulk: gparted
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16:06<pfix>Tuplad: so boot into linux and check with "fdisk" if that unrecognized ntfs partition is there with the partition type "ntfs". and if it is, try to mount it on linux and see if data is on it
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16:07<scott->pfix: Yes, and it is executable
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16:07<Tuplad>pfix: sorry, I'm not following. fdisk I understand, but type "ntfs" ?
16:07<scott->I can run it manually from that directory and everything
16:07<pfix>scott-: so what you are trying to burn is in the wrong format for the burning method that you try to use
16:08<wfaulk>does parted support resizing ntfs filesystems now? used to be you had to run ntfsresize first
16:08<scott->pfix: I don't want to burn it yet, I just want to make the ISO
16:08<Tuplad>wfaulk: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/screens/gparted_5_big.jpg
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16:09<wfaulk>oh, *g*parted. sorry
16:09<pfix>Tuplad: inside fdisk you can print a list of partitions. that tells you of what type the partition is. if your ntfs partition was labeled as linux partition, then windows does not recognize it
16:09<Tuplad>pfix: aha
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16:09<Tuplad>pfix: so then I'll have to tag it back as ntfs ?
16:09<wfaulk>i seriously doubt that's it. I don't think windows will present the partition at all
16:10<wfaulk>if it doesn't have the right tag
16:10<wfaulk>maybe if it got set to fat instead of ntfs for some reason
16:10<Tuplad>hmm, wfaulk, I've had something like this happen to be before
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16:11<pfix>Tuplad: i would try this: when the ntfs partition is labeled as linux partition, then i would try to mount it as linux partition first and see if there is data on it. cause maybe gparted was (accidently?) converting it or such. if it fails to mount, then its just labeled wrong and you can use fdisk to change the label back to ntfs
16:11<scott->pfix: I am currently trying to create the ISO in VMWare (so I can more easily revert and test different packages) as this computer is not running Debian and the computer I am porting it to is a laptop without a working hard drive
16:11<Tuplad>pfix: roger that
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16:12*pfix thinks
16:13<pfix>http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/148 wont load for me, so i cant check what you are trying to do
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16:15<trinity1it>hello world. bye
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16:15<scott_>sorry, got disconnected
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16:16<pfix>no problemo, i said: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/148 wont load for me, so i cant check what you are trying to do
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16:16<scott_>http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:Ki6si8p2SMQJ:www.debian-administration.org/articles/148 this is the google cache of it
16:16<pfix>oh, ok
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16:18<pfix>scott-: you used dfsbuild already and got a result?
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16:19<Tuplad>pfix: gonna try out what you've told me to.
16:20<pfix>Tuplad: good luck :P
16:20<Tuplad>thx :p
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16:20<scott_>pfix: I don't think dfsbuild is required for this walkthrough. bootcd should be all I need to do
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16:21<Dark_Mike>I have a question. I've subscribed a few mailing lists which are suggested for developers at the debian page. Are tehere additional mailing lists I should surscribe to receive important information?
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16:22<pfix>scott_: my mistake, yes. i mean to ask... did you use bootcd and get a result or does that lead to the error at pastebin?
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16:23<Tuplad>pfix: oh, good news I guess, started Gparted and this is what I get:ERROR: Current NTFS volume size is bigger than the device size! Corrupt partition table or incorrect device partitioning?
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16:25<scott_>pfix: I did bootcdwrite and it leads to the error at pastebin. It looks like (for some reason) bootcdwrite is trying to make genisoimage access files with '/=/' in the directory tree, instead of not actually being able to access genisoimage. I'm trying to figure out why
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16:26<pfix>scott_: thats what i checked first, but i think the problem is the options that are passed to genisoimage
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16:27<Tuplad>pfix: any idea what to do ? xD
16:27<scott_>Agreed. I've purged bootcd and I'm trying a default creation to see if I somehow messed up the config file
16:28<sdsdsd>insmod ext3 doesnt work on grub2 from Squeeze repo...
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16:29<pfix>Tuplad: oh, the resize failed obviously and left a broken partition table. thats tricky now, cause you need to fix this. have a look at: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
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16:29<scott_>looks like it was the bootcdwrite script itself that was messed up. I've removed the equal signs and hopefully that'll fix the issue
16:30<Tuplad>pfix: thanks, checking it!
16:30<Tuplad>pfix: how bad is it ?
16:30<pfix>scott_: the strange thing is that google wont show people with similar problems. so its very likely a user error
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16:30<pfix>Tuplad: if you use the program testdisk properly, then it should all be good
16:31<scott_>pfix: I've done a clean install of both genisoimage and bootcd, not sure how I could've messed them up when I didn't even modify anything
16:31<Tuplad>pfix: roger... should I use it under linux or windows ?
16:31<Tuplad>pfix: just making sure :)
16:31<pfix>Tuplad: linux
16:31<Tuplad>pfix: ok
16:31<pfix>Tuplad: hang on, i just see that you can aswell use windows
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16:32<Tuplad>pfix: yes you can, but should I ?
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16:32<Tuplad>pfix: that's what the question is about. because all actions were executed @ linux.
16:32<pfix>Tuplad: both should work fine
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16:32<fgh>whats the gnome-package to controll the soundvolume with the Fn-keys?
16:33<pfix>Tuplad: what its going to do is trying to revert what gparted did so you have the old state of the partitions again
16:34<Tuplad>pfix: oh, awesome! a little probleme here though... http://pastebin.ca/1574390 I don't know which one I have. I guess Intel ? Ididn't do anything extraordinary with the partitioning
16:35<pfix>Tuplad: you will need "pc partition" there
16:35*Tuplad nods
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16:36<scott_>pfix: This is the relevant portion of the bootcdwrite script: http://debian.pastebin.com/m4a894236 I removed the equal signs from the parts where it was messing up and instead got this: http://debian.pastebin.com/ma5216bd
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16:39<pfix>scott_: yeah, that change was not the real trick. that "=" has a role in that script. but i dont know to be honest what the actual problem was, because nobody else seems to have the problem
16:40<pfix>brb
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16:42<fgh>i can change lightness of the monitor with my Fn-keys but for a while ago i lost the function to adjust the sound-volume in x/gnome. does anyone have an idea what to do?
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16:50<InkBottle>have you noticed gam_sever taking 100% of cpu for a long duration of time, probably in conjuction with pcmanfm?
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16:53<WoZ>need help
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16:54<WoZ>my usb devices won't auto mount
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16:56<WoZ>udev, hal works properly
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16:57<WoZ>there are all properties for auto mount checked in gnome-volume-properties
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17:01<Dark_Mike>I have a question. I've subscribed a few mailing lists which are suggested for developers at the debian page. Are tehere additional mailing lists I should surscribe to receive important information?
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17:09<weasel>Dark_Mike: what is important depends on what you do.
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17:33<wfaulk>okay, now I'm seeing that it's locking up when X exits
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18:16<maher>can i set a mac address on eth0 using the ip command?
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18:18<Dark_Mike>mac is static, I thought
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18:20<maher>Dark_Mike: ifconfig eth0 hw 00:00....
18:21<Dark_Mike>maher: Alright, thanks. :)
18:22<maher>Dark_Mike: i'm looking to do this using ip not ipconfig though
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18:25<maxxe>hi. i get a warning when i shutdown or reboot the system. haven't seen it befour
18:25<maxxe>WARNING: invoke-rc.d called during shutdown sequence
18:26<InkBottle>I don't understand if bug=512214 have been answered or not?
18:26<maxxe>InkBottle: was that a reply to me?
18:26<InkBottle>sorry no
18:27<maxxe>ok=)
18:28<maxxe>do someone else have this warning messagE?
18:29<Dark_Mike>guess not
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18:31<Dark_Mike>maher: Sorry, I've started a quick google search, but all I find is the mac changer in Debian.
18:32<war>do you have to have a really good video card to run compiz?
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18:42<goo>im running a c++ file in a script-how can i echo to separate console inputs?
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18:45<goo>anyone? :(
18:45<wfaulk>separate console inputs?
18:45<wfaulk>what do you mean?
18:46<goo>umm, im prompting hte user for information basicly
18:47<goo>so i need to echo two words, hit enter, echo two more, all pipelined into running one file
18:47<goo>would \r work?
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18:48<wfaulk>you're having your c++ program provide input to two other programs?
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18:48<wamty_>is etch's utils even 2.6 compat?
18:48<wamty_>like modutils?
18:49<goo>wfaulk, basicly my c++ program does math. input some numbers, hit enter, input some more numbers and hit enter
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18:49<goo>im trying to make a script to echo the numbers in for me
18:49<wfaulk>oh
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18:50<valdyn>goo: man expect
18:50<goo>\r didnt work. fudge
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18:50<wfaulk>yeah, probably overkill for this
18:50<wfaulk>just "echo 1; echo 2"
18:50<koollman>goo: write the input in some file, then use that file as the input of your program : yourprogram < theinputfile
18:51<koollman>(assuming you don't do anything strange on the input to read it)
18:51<wfaulk>and there's no processing needed on the input side
18:51<wfaulk>ur, output side
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18:55<war>do you have to have a really good video card to run compiz?
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18:55<valdyn>war: no
18:55<wamty_>is etch's utils even 2.6 compat?
18:55<wamty_>like modutils?
18:55<valdyn>war: resize will be choppy no matter what, everything else does not really need a good video card
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18:56<war>valdyn: thanks I guess I just need to figure out why xorg is working properly
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18:58<war>this might be a dumb question if so im sorry...I cant get xorg to work properly in debian, I cant change screen resolution...however it works fine in ubuntu, could I copy the config file from ubuntu to debian to get my video device to work properly?
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19:01<valdyn>war: the config file is probably pointless
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19:01<valdyn>war: which gfx chip is it?
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19:03<war>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
19:03<war>i tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg without success
19:03<valdyn>war: and which driver is being used for X ?
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19:04<war>valdyn: not sure, how do i check?
19:04<themill>judd xorg 8086:2a42
19:04<judd>themill: Device 8086:2a42 is not matched by any xorg drivers in lenny or sid.
19:05<valdyn>war: run lspci and lspci -n to get the pci id of that chip
19:05<valdyn>or is 8086:2a42 it already?
19:06<themill>I think so.... or 2a43 but that's the same answer about xorg drivers
19:06<themill>(but it would be worth checking against the lspci -nn output)
19:06<valdyn>!xorg drivers
19:06<valdyn>themill: which answer?
19:07<themill>judd's
19:07<valdyn>alright, thanks
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19:08<war>valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/47207/
19:09<valdyn>judd: xorg drivers
19:09<judd>valdyn: Error: I don't know what you mean by PCI Id 'drivers'. 0000:0000 is my preferred format where both vendor Id and device Id are are in hexadecimal. You can find the PCI Id in the output of 'lspci -nn'.
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19:10<valdyn>judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel
19:10<judd>valdyn: xserver-xorg-video-intel -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2 lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6 squeeze: 2:2.8.1-1 sid: 2:2.8.1-2
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19:10<n0madtanks>hey everyone?
19:11<valdyn>judd: xorg 8086:2a42
19:11<judd>valdyn: Device 8086:2a42 is not matched by any xorg drivers in lenny or sid.
19:11<n0madtanks>I am currently running an older system on ubuntu and would like to load debian. can anyone send me a link to the distro that will work on amd xp-m processor with a sis chipset
19:11<valdyn>judd: xorg 8086:2a43
19:12<judd>valdyn: Device 8086:2a43 is not matched by any xorg drivers in lenny or sid.
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19:12<valdyn>war: not supported by debian it seems
19:12<n0madtanks>doh
19:12<war>valdyn: well crap
19:12<n0madtanks>what about fedora
19:12<valdyn>war: its not extremely hard to get bleeding edge intel drivers, but i cant walk you thru that
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19:13<themill>war: I have to say that I find that hard to believe though. (judd's xorg database for squeeze and sid isn't up to date either though)
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19:13<valdyn>so theres a chance that sid supports it
19:14<war>valdyn: ill do some more research and see what i can come up with
19:14<war>thanks
19:14<themill>yeah,... I need to do some more awking through the xorg drivers to update the database :(
19:14<valdyn>war: read http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/T400/lenny
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19:15<valdyn>war: looks to me like you just have to copy the ubuntu xorg.conf
19:15<war>ok ill check it out thanks
19:15<valdyn>war: but read that site anyway
19:15<war>valdyn: that would work?
19:16<war>valdyn: i will definitely read all the info on that sire
19:16<war>site..
19:16<valdyn>war: i can hardly tell, i dont know that xorg.conf
19:16<war>valdyn: well only one way to find out I guess
19:17<valdyn>The intel driver is intentionally not used by default on these chipsets
19:17<valdyn>in lenny as it's a backport and it hasn't been tested enough.
19:17<csotelo>hi people... I have some question for all
19:17<csotelo>what do you recommends, install postgresql binaries on a debian machinne or postgres from a debian repositories... why?
19:17<valdyn>war: ^^^, but looks like it works fine enough
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19:17<valdyn>csotelo: debians packages - because debian devs have more clue about compiling postgres than you and because only debian packages get debian bugfixes and security support
19:18<war>valdyn: I just dont understand why it would work in ubuntu just fine when ubuntu is based off debian,
19:18<valdyn>war: ubuntu have their own configuration
19:18<valdyn>war: and according to this site this is a simple xorg.conf config thing
19:19<war>valdyn: gotcha, ill get it working somehow
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19:19<valdyn>war: ubuntu cares about spoonfeeding every new user ( i dont mean that bad ), debian developers just dont imo
19:19<bja>war: check the K&R it has an example of just that what you are asking
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19:19<csotelo>valdyn, thanks...
19:19<csotelo>other question
19:20<bja>war: ignore my comment, wrong channel
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19:20<n0madtanks>any one know a good debian distro for a athlon xp m system?
19:21<valdyn>n0madtanks: debian
19:21<valdyn>n0madtanks: and you will not get any other recommendation here, this is a debian channel
19:21<war>valdyn: yea ubuntu seems more to the brand new users, i try to steer away from that, I been using linux on and off for years and I have a pretty good understanding, just not enough yet, I like the challenge of solving these kinds of problems
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19:21<n0madtanks>I figured as much Which distro should I be downloading then and where can I find it?
19:22<csotelo>on a postgres install the debian intaller create de postgres superuser... I must change the postgres superuser password o not... why?
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19:23<bja>no, you have to set your user as superuser to be able to create db
19:23<bja>there is a procedure on the postgres doc
19:23<n0madtanks>valdyn: where can I find the distro?
19:23<bja>if you change the password of the user debian creates, it will not be able to start and stop the engine
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19:24<valdyn>!debian
19:24<dpkg>i guess debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
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19:26<icebrain>does anyone know some Linux (as in kernel) based bootloader? I want to boot from a Flash drive but my BIOS is so old GRUB can't even detect the drive, so I need a kernel to boot the other kernel. Something based on kexec, probably.
19:26<csotelo>people.. plz: on a postgres install the debian intaller create de postgres superuser... I must change the postgres superuser password o not... why?
19:26<bja>csotelo: check my two previous posts
19:27<csotelo>bja .. thanks..
19:27<csotelo>I know that
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19:29<bja>csotelo: if you feel someone can inject mysql instructions into your database check the configuration for the superuser and limit them to the localhost, which is the default
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19:29<csotelo>the question is bout it why i know for a security problem is better to keep the debian default postgres password, but my boss say me that no... I need get technical experiences or information.. I am looking for it on the internet.... and asking you for experience and technical answers too
19:30<bja>csotelo: postgres will not allow connections from outside 127.0.0.1 unless you tell him to
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19:30<bja>csotelo: check /usr/share/doc/postgresql-8.3/README.Debian.gz for the procedure and why it is not a good idea to change the password
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19:31<valdyn>im sure theres a debian method to change the password
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19:32<csotelo>bja thanks alot
19:33<csotelo>thats I need
19:33<bja>csotelo: np, i am paranoid enough to look into that file every once in a while just to make sure things are running all right
19:34<csotelo>yes I know
19:34<csotelo>I do the same
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19:36<slaughterdark>hi i have problem to install nvidia kernel with module-assistant
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19:39<slaughterdark>can you help me plz?
19:39<slaughterdark>http://paste.debian.net/47212
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19:46<adb> dpkg -l gcc-4.3 | grep ii , says ?
19:46<dpkg>No packages found matching gcc-4.3 | grep ii , says
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19:51<slaughterdark>adb: so you're saying is the problem with GCC-4.3 compiler? he's not the version that build the debian kernel?
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19:53<adb>slaughterdark, oh, forget it
19:55<adb>i guess you got build nvidia on 2.6.26 kernel too ?
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19:55<slaughterdark>yes i have on that kernel
19:56<slaughterdark>but what is the problem with this kernel 2.6.30-1
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19:56<bja>slaughterdark: check when you build the kernel modules to set up the CC environmental variable to the correct version of gcc
19:57<antidote__>She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.
19:57<Gun_Smoke>Curious to when sid might see gnome 2.6.28 with the new stable being released Wednesday?
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19:59<slaughterdark>bja: idon't know how to set that ,but this the problem ?: IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1 CC="gcc-4.3" /usr/bin/make -C /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/
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20:00<bja>slaughterdark: check the debian wiki there it says everything about the 4.3 bug on debian
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20:02<slaughterdark>bja:ok thanks i'll check it out
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20:02<heartbeats>why my ntfs partition is not mounting
20:03<heartbeats>it shows a error in booting
20:03<heartbeats>failed
20:03<bja>!enter
20:03<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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20:04<heartbeats>help me....
20:05<war>heartbeats: are you using ntfs-3g?
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20:05<heartbeats>yes
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20:06<war>heartbeats: i had the same trouble but I fixed mine by installing using ntfs-3g and using the command sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda2 /media/windows
20:06<bja>heartbeats: have you ever mounted that partition previously, is it a valid ntfs partition?
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20:07<heartbeats>but its not working
20:08<war>heartbeats: also when you mount a parition if it doesnt work correctly make sure you unmount before tryin something else, that will also give you errors
20:08<heartbeats>yap its a ntfs partition
20:08<heartbeats>i tried several times
20:09<bja>heartbeats: check /etc/mtab
20:09<war>hearbeats: did you make a dir to mount the partition to?
20:09<heartbeats>ok
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20:10<heartbeats>my partition is not showed here
20:10<heartbeats>yes
20:11<heartbeats>i created the directory
20:12<heartbeats>i just doned using force mount
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20:12<war>heartbeats: my mtab looks something like this /dev/sda2 /media/windows fuseblk rw,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0, you try that but of course change everything to your own paths
20:12<heartbeats>but if i log on to xp is there is any problem case
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20:13<heartbeats>mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda7 /media/mydata -o force
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20:13<heartbeats>how can i add this to fstab
20:13<war>heartbeats: i use nano /etc/fstab
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20:14<war>heartbeats: my fstab looks like this: /dev/sda2 /media/windows ntfs defaults 0 0
20:14<war>dont know if thats correct but it works...
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20:15<heartbeats>i know it
20:15<heartbeats>i want force mount
20:15<war>what do you see when you type mount
20:16<heartbeats>one second i need a reboot
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20:24<heartbeats>its working fine
20:24<heartbeats>what i want to install to improve my desktop animations
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20:42<pfix>when Lenny (i386) hangs during boot sometimes at "Loading kernel modules", could a broken initrd be the problem?
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20:44<adb>slaughterdark, worked ?
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20:55<banished>Hi, I got sid and I want to apt-pin xorg, however, after http://pastebin.com/m2c11c175 in /etc/apt/preferences, a dist-upgrade will remove X
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20:57<adb>stable has 1000
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20:59<adb>!pinning
20:59<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
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21:03<abrotman>banished: you probably don't want to pin xorg
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21:08<banished>abrotman: um, well, I do want
21:08<abrotman>why would you want to?
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21:11<banished>abrotman: fglrx
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21:11<abrotman>isn't that usually more of a kernel issue?
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21:13<banished>no, it also has to be adapted to the latest X server, and since fglrx (the last one to support my card) won't get updated any more
21:15<cristian>hols
21:15<cristian>hay alguien conectado
21:15<cristian>?
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21:16<bja>cristian: /j #debian-es
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21:16<cristian>para un usuario novato con que es mejor enpezar
21:16<cristian>con debian lxde
21:16<cristian>o xubuntu lxde
21:16<cristian>??
21:17<icebrain>cristian: tienes que ir a #debian-es
21:17<bja>!es
21:17<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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21:21<Chubbz>Anyone know how to toggle the keyboard? Similar to a cellphone key lock?
21:22<abrotman>toggle it into what?
21:22<Chubbz>toggle it off
21:22<icebrain>you can install a screensaver with password...
21:22<Chubbz>as in, it doesnt work until you press a certain key combination
21:22<Chubbz>i still need to see whats on the screen
21:22<Chubbz>^^icebrain
21:23<icebrain>Chubbz: see http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Utilities/Lock-keyboard-for-Baby-23745.shtml
21:24<icebrain>"Unlike a screensaver, your screen is not blocked and the mouse still partially works, so you can still see what is on your screen"
21:25<Chubbz>Perfect! Thanks so much!
21:25<icebrain>Chubbz: np
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21:29<heartbeats>i need a software to extract rar files
21:29<heartbeats>help me..../
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21:29<icebrain>unrar?
21:30<heartbeats>mm
21:30<heartbeats>anything to unzip rar files
21:30<sney>unrar.
21:30<icebrain>dpkg: unrar
21:30<dpkg>[rar] Roshal ARchive, a proprietary archive format used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst archive format ever. To extract RAR3 files (the most common archive version), use either the "rar" or "unrar" programs in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. "unrar-free" is unable to extract RAR3 files. Install the 'rar' package to create RAR files. http://www.rarlab.com/ http://www.unrarlib.org/faq.html
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21:33<heartbeats>how can i get rar pakage
21:33<icebrain>aptitude install unrar
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21:35<heartbeats>i need a download accelerator
21:35<heartbeats>how can i get it
21:35<icebrain>do you use Firefox? DownThemAll works well
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21:35<heartbeats>yap using firefox
21:35<heartbeats>ie
21:36<heartbeats>iceweasel
21:36<icebrain>google DownThemAll, it can download multiple file parts at the same time
21:36<heartbeats>ok
21:36<heartbeats>how
21:36<heartbeats>is it like IDMAN or DAP
21:36<icebrain>no, wait! run "aptitude install iceweasel-downthemall"
21:37<icebrain>I don't know any of those
21:37<sney>it's not like DAP.
21:38<heartbeats>how can i get dap kind of download accilarators
21:38<sney>also heartbeats you can often search for things in aptitude, and on freshmeat.net
21:38<icebrain>sney: how does DAP work?
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21:39<sney>it leeches bandwidth like a mofo and then stitches the file together from the 4 chunks it downloaded simultaneously. it also offers pause, resume, url caching, and the other download features that have been added into most browsers since 2005 or so
21:39<sney>note: 4 can be any number, I think.
21:39<sney>it is almost like a cross between http downloading and bittorrent
21:40<icebrain>DownThemAll can download multiple parts at once...
21:40<icebrain>of the same file
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21:40<sney>oh yeah? last time I saw it, all it did was download every link on a page, or something like that
21:40<icebrain>it does both :P
21:40*sney shrug
21:41<sney>I guess it is like DAP then. only not standalone
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21:58<babilen>hi all. since the recent Xorg update my VertEdgeScrolling and tapping does not work with my synaptics tochpad
21:58<babilen>i have to explicitly enable it with synclient every time Xorg is started
22:00<babilen>and yes, i have edited fdi: http://paste.debian.net/47215/
22:00<babilen>any idea what might cause this or how to fix it?
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22:05<slaughterdark>adb: no it doesnt worked: i will see i think i will compile again the kernel witjh gcc 4.4
22:06<slaughterdark>and i will cleaqr out the problem
22:07<slaughterdark>why the need for 3 gcc compiler that i have now ..
22:07<adb>nah , wget http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-kernel-source , , dpkg -i it , m-a clean nvidia , m-a ,
22:08<adb>build again nvidia ..
22:08<slaughterdark>adb: so you're saying i have to clean the mess from nvidia installer?
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22:09<adb> nvidia installer? from nvidia site , yes
22:09<slaughterdark>adb; thanks but i'm using nvidia-kernel0legacy i have nvidia Ge Fx5500
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22:10<banished>Hi, I did apt pin it (http://pastebin.com/m38f22375), but dist-upgrade still wants to remove libgl1-mesa-dri
22:11<adb>slaughterdark, and ? use m-a to build nvidia-kernel-legacy
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22:12<adb>mine is G70 [GeForce Go 7600] and works whit nvidia-kernel w/o legacy
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22:23<slaughterdark>adb:no it will not work with nvidia-kernel-source (185.18.36-2) it will only work with legacy..
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22:24<adb>185.18.36-2 will let you to compile nvidia-kernel-legacy too , look in m-a
22:24<slaughterdark>adb:slaughterdark, and ? use m-a to build nvidia-kernel-legacy,i try that too no it doesnt worked
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22:25<adb> doesnt worked , or doesn't compile ?
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22:27<slaughterdark>doesnt complile from source
22:28<adb> m-a clean nvidia
22:28<adb>than m-a
22:29<slaughterdark>and then install from aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source?
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22:30<adb>i said wget it
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22:31<slaughterdark>adb; i will try again right now to see what will happen
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22:31<slaughterdark>thanks
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23:08<jo8330>was /etc/init.d/apache-ssl removed from lenny? installing apache2 only creates /etc/init.d/apache but for whatever reason phpmyadmin apt package looks for /etc/init.d/apache-ssl
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23:13<dondelelcaro>jo8330: it actually creates /etc/init.d/apache2, but yes.
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23:24<ert34>I am using Gnome. There is a middle to change to Xfce?
23:25<jpinx-eeepc>!gnome
23:25<dpkg>methinks gnome is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get GNOME, ask me about <install gnome>. See also <gnome status>. http:/wiki.debian.org/Gnome http://www.gnome.org/ #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org. Also ask me about <remove gnome>
23:25<jpinx-eeepc>!remove gnome
23:25<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 2.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 1.x, use aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or use purge accordingly).
23:25<jpinx-eeepc>ert34: ^^
23:26<jpinx-eeepc>then install what you want
23:26<ert34>from tty?
23:27<ert34>going to tty, then uninstalling, and installing xfce? just it? I am using squezee, any problems?
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23:29<ert34>jpinx-eeepc, it's better use xfce in eeepc because it is lightweight
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23:30<jpinx-eeepc>ert34: I use lxde - even lighter than xfce
23:30<ert34>never heard about it
23:31<jpinx-eeepc>and if you have to ask these things you should not be using squeeze ;)
23:31<ert34>I am using it to do not use backports, and to have not so outdated software.
23:33<jpinx-eeepc>backports is better
23:34<ert34>Now, I want this lxde thin. :-)
23:34<ert34>I will install this.
23:35<jpinx-eeepc>ert34: I am running lenny with backports and lxde on a 4GBs SDD eeepc701
23:35<jpinx-eeepc>it works well
23:35<ert34>I've an 1000HA.
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23:37<jpinx-eeepc>ert34: and /join debian-#eeepc
23:37<jpinx-eeepc>Ooops /join #debian-eeepc
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23:44<slaughterdark>adb: it worked thanks a lot : Build time: 44 seconds:-)-0
23:44<adb>yw
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23:46<adb>now wget http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx , and install it whit , dpkg -i
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23:47<jo8330>dondelelcaro: so is that a bug that phpmyadmin package needs /etc/init.d/apache-ssl ?
23:48<dondelelcaro>jo8330: the package in stable doesn't, in my install, anyway
23:48<el_isma>Hi. I'm writing a program that uses Serial ports but can't test it on my laptop. I found gtkterm which lets me see the status of a serial port. How can I create a "fake" serial port for it? I need to be able to see and change the control lines... Is it possible?
23:48<jo8330>how odd.
23:49<jo8330>it still seemed to install however there's no symlink in apache's conf.d to point to phpmyadmin so i'm not sure if it's a partial install or what
23:49<dondelelcaro>jo8330: it doesn't install one; you just symlink it yourself if you want
23:50<slaughterdark>adb: i installed that one from legacy with apt-get -t sid install nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx but thanks anyway
23:50<jo8330>usually it did for me on other systems
23:51<jo8330>invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/apache-ssl not found.
23:51<jo8330>stops after that, but still appears to have installed. oh well
23:51<jo8330>i guess i'll just create that symlink and see how it goes
23:52<dondelelcaro>jo8330: ah, it does if you ask it to
23:52<slaughterdark>adb; is there a problem with that becouse i use nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx- to complile
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23:54<slaughterdark>adb; it's a odd way for me to install with another nvidia-kernel-source the nvidia-kernel-legacy...
23:55<adb>slaughterdark, forget 173xx, use for now the new one 185.18.36-2
23:56<slaughterdark>adb; why?
23:56<adb>m-a will build for you a new nvidia-kernel-legacy
23:57<slaughterdark>so i have to m-a again?
23:57<adb>no, if it's done
23:58<adb>maybe .30 kernel work only whit 185.18.36-2 ..
23:58<slaughterdark>yes i don't know i have 2.6.30-1 kernel
23:59<adb>uname -r
23:59<adb> says ?
23:59<slaughterdark>and its working perfectly i even have compiz...
23:59<slaughterdark>adb;yes uname -r said
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