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---Logopened Tue Sep 22 00:00:05 2009
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00:00<adb>so you'r done
00:00<slaughterdark>2.6.30-1-686
00:01<slaughterdark>thanks i have trying to install for a week and maybe more..
00:01<jo8330>dondelelcaro: how do you ask it to?
00:01<slaughterdark>after the new kernel
00:02<adb>have fun
00:03<slaughterdark>yes hedgewars now
00:03<dondelelcaro>jo8330: dpkg-reconfigure; it should ask something about what webservers it should configure for
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00:07<FedeFrede>heeeeeeeeeeeelllooo
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00:10<FedeFrede>moi needs help installing something on his linux thingie
00:10<FedeFrede>ack
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00:10<adb>!fr
00:10<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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00:13<FedeFrede>! ru
00:13<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
00:13<FedeFrede>! dk
00:13<dpkg>methinks dk is Hvis du vil tale dansk og få hjælp til debian, skriv /join #linux.dk in your irc client, also the country Denmark
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00:15<jo8330>dondelelcaro: thanks!
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00:36<brunner>Help! I have a process that has over 900 open files, and its limit is 1024. I can't figure out how to up the limit so that my process does crash.
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00:38<brunner> /proc/4233/fd/ says 923
00:38<brunner>and it's rising
00:38<brunner>when it hits 1024, it's going to crash
00:44<brunner>How do I adjust the ulimit for a running process?
00:45<brunner>is it possible?
00:46<adb>where seen that limit is 1024 ?
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00:54<meowmiint>hi anyone here i am wanting to find out if its worth me ordering the 5 dvd set of debian
00:54<adb>!netinstall
00:54<dpkg>netinst is, like, a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>.
00:57<meowmiint>i know that but i'm on dialup
00:57<adb>so not needed, if have a decent internet network link
00:58<adb>http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/
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01:05<meowmiint>i know about all that but i dont have that great internet setup atm
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01:06<meowmiint>what i am wanting to know is y there is like 5 dvds for debian. when most os dont need that
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01:11<edwin>hola
01:11<jm_>because there are so many packages in debian
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01:12<Guest3269>mierdasoft
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01:19<Roco3D>holas
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01:21<meowmiint>ok should i get the small cd or tiny cd download from here http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
01:22<cahoot>if you're low on bandwidth then why ask the same questions i two cahnnels?
01:22<stew>meowmiint: the ~150mb netinst. if you get the businesscard cd you have to download the stuff on the 150mb cd anyway and you have to download it each time you install
01:24<meowmiint>??? the terms you have used are not on the link i posted
01:24<meowmiint>net install, businesscard cd is that the small cd or tiny one
01:25<jm_>get small cd
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01:25<meowmiint>ok thanks thats all i was asking.
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01:34<meowmiint>anyone know of a download manager that will allow me to pause downloads so i can turn off my computer then resume on reboot
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01:43<jm_>any software that supports reget should work
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01:44<jm_>anyway, search "download manager" with apt and you'll find a few GUI tools
01:44<jm_>plenty more command line tools
01:47<meowmiint>hi i'm downloading a debian immage what option do i slect http://imagebin.ca/view/H6nc7KnU.html
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01:49<majhool>i recently upgraded xorg from 1.4.7 to 1.6.3, and as a result i've had to switch from the fglrx driver to the radeon driver. when i try startx with no xorg.conf, i get a black screen and the computer ceases to respond to mouse/kbd input. what's going on?
01:49<meowmiint>hi i'm downloading a debian immage what option do i slect http://imagebin.ca/view/H6nc7KnU.html
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01:52<jm_>majhool: are keyboard leds blinking?
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01:52<stew>meowmiint: ok sorry
01:52<majhool>jm_: no
01:52<majhool>jm_: i can, however, ssh in
01:52<jm_>majhool: did you check x logfile and dmesg output?
01:53<Fatboy12345236>Hang on, letme ask dpkg my quest. first
01:53<majhool>jm_: yeah, no EEs
01:53<majhool>jm_: and dmesg showed no panics/page faults/etc
01:54<jm_>majhool: can you switch to console with ctrl-alt-f1?
01:54<majhool>jm_: ah, whoops
01:54<Fatboy12345236>OK I asked dpkg he "No Idea, Fatboy12345236" So here my question, What do I do to install a .deb package?
01:54<majhool>jm_: (EE) module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (2)
01:54<jm_>it's dpkg -i file.deb
01:54<majhool>jm_: no, i can't.
01:54<Fatboy12345236>ok
01:54<Fatboy12345236>thanks
01:54<jm_>majhool: for which module is this?
01:55<majhool>jm_: looks like dri
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01:55<majhool>i guess i should try disabling that?
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01:56<Fatboy12345236>:( I tried installing Opera I got this error:
01:56<jm_>majhool: try that if it works, but this means no 3D for you
01:56<Fatboy12345236>dpkg -i opera_10.00.4585.gcc4.qt3_i386.deb
01:56*dpkg installs opera_10.00.4585.gcc4.qt3_i386.deb into fatboy12345236's head with a bone saw and a few screws
01:56<Fatboy12345236>Selecting previously deselected package opera.
01:56<Fatboy12345236>(Reading database ... 89299 files and directories currently installed.)
01:56<Fatboy12345236>Unpacking opera (from opera_10.00.4585.gcc4.qt3_i386.deb) ...
01:56<Fatboy12345236>dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of opera:
01:56-!-Fatboy12345236 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
01:56<dpkg>fatboy12345236: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>.
01:56<jm_>har har
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01:57<sney>irc support is fun
01:57<Fatboy12345236>errr
01:57<Fatboy12345236>How do I use the paster bot?
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01:57<jm_>!pastebin Fatboy12345236
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01:57<dcorking>dpkg help pastebin
01:57<jm_>!pastebin
01:57<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
01:58<jm_>must be some other command for this, I clearly forgot it
01:58<majhool>tell?
01:58<Fatboy12345236>ok
01:58<jm_>no, I men in the style of drxx
01:58<jm_>mean*
02:00<jm_>also don't forget the screws dpkg installed in your head!
02:00<Fatboy12345236>http://pastebin.ca/1574867
02:00<Fatboy12345236>What am I doing wrong?
02:00<jm_>install its dependencies: libqt3-mt
02:01<Fatboy12345236>apt-get install libqt3-mt?
02:01<jm_>for example
02:01<Fatboy12345236>I'm listening,
02:01<jm_>to what?
02:01<Fatboy12345236>you, jm_
02:01<jm_>Fatboy12345236: I don't have anything to say right now
02:02<Fatboy12345236>"For example"?
02:02<jm_>yup, that was a confirmation to go ahead
02:02<Fatboy12345236>k
02:03<Fatboy12345236>xD Thanks for the help
02:04<jm_>no problem mate
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02:04<Fatboy12345236>OK I got 2 more questions, If you can answer
02:05<jm_>we have a limit of 1 question per day
02:05<Fatboy12345236>When I use install Compiz and use compiz --replace
02:05<Fatboy12345236>really?
02:05<jm_>no
02:05<Fatboy12345236>It just says like, "Patching zoom effects"
02:05<Fatboy12345236>and hangs
02:05<Fatboy12345236>doesn't do anything
02:05<Fatboy12345236>-.-
02:06<jm_>what did you expect it to do?
02:06<Fatboy12345236>Well,
02:06<Fatboy12345236>Do I have to keep the terminal open?
02:07<Fatboy12345236>Because if I close the terminal,
02:07<Fatboy12345236>I loose meh effects
02:07<jm_>start it in the background : 'compiz --replace & disown' (you can also use nohup)
02:08<Fatboy12345236>ok letme give it a try
02:08<jm_>you can also set it as a default instead of changing it manually each time
02:08<Fatboy12345236>How?
02:08<majhool>jm_: ah! fglrx-driver was still installed, and it had left its libdri.so in place. removing it did the trick
02:08<majhool>jm_: thanks for the help
02:08<majhool>glxgears shows 25 FPS! whoa!
02:08<Fatboy12345236>How do I set a default?
02:08<jm_>majhool: ahh good work
02:09<Fatboy12345236>so, I enter "compiz --replace & disown" into the terminal?
02:09<jm_>what does this show - run it as root: update-alternatives --list x-window-manager
02:09<jm_>yeah without ""
02:09<Fatboy12345236>k
02:09<jm_>(that's not to set it as a default btw)
02:10<Fatboy12345236>......
02:10<Fatboy12345236>Am I alive?
02:10<jm_>barely
02:11<Fatboy12345236>xD Welll, It's still running in the terminal
02:11<Fatboy12345236>-.-
02:11<jm_>it's running in the background, detached from the tty
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02:11<jm_>you should have your prompt back in it
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02:12<Fatboy12345236>http://pastebin.ca/1574873
02:14<jm_>yeah that's fine, you should be able to close the terminal now
02:14<Fatboy12345236>k
02:14<Fatboy12345236>xD
02:14<Fatboy12345236>Another thing is...
02:14<Fatboy12345236>Whenever I logout
02:15<Fatboy12345236>I gotta do the compiz --replace thing AGAIN
02:15<Fatboy12345236>Is there anyway I can change dis?
02:15<Fatboy12345236>Like a startup list?
02:15<jm_>like I said, you can set it as a default - check the output of the command I mentioned above
02:15<Fatboy12345236>I'm kinda new to Linux
02:15<Fatboy12345236>k,
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02:17<Fatboy12345236>"you can also set it as a default instead of changing it manually each time"
02:18<Fatboy12345236>Then you said something about x-manger alternitives?
02:18<jm_>no I mentioned a command that has to be run as root
02:18<Fatboy12345236>:/
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02:20<dcorking>what didn't you like about the "x-manger alternitives" advice?
02:21<Fatboy12345236>I've done that
02:21<Fatboy12345236>Just came up with this?
02:21<Fatboy12345236>http://pastebin.ca/1574879
02:21<jm_>ok so it's not under that, let me download it and see
02:22<Fatboy12345236>ok.... Thanks for helping a noob....
02:23<jm_>how do you start X?
02:23<Fatboy12345236>What's X? :P
02:23<Fatboy12345236>I've heared of it
02:24<Fatboy12345236>Never really understood what it was...
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02:24<jm_>GUI
02:24<Fatboy12345236>:O
02:25<Fatboy12345236>Its.....
02:25<Fatboy12345236>GNOME
02:25<Fatboy12345236>I confused something with something else... Didn't I?
02:25<jm_>do you get a graphical login prompt?
02:25<Fatboy12345236>yes
02:26<jm_>in that case I'd try to get it to use ~/.xsession
02:27<Fatboy12345236>Type "~/.xsession" Into terminal?
02:28<jm_>no, it's a file you need to edit with an editor, put in compiz
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02:28<Fatboy12345236>use gedit?
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02:29<Fatboy12345236>:@
02:29<Fatboy12345236>I'm so confused!
02:29<jm_>gedit will do
02:29<Fatboy12345236>yes
02:30<Fatboy12345236>so where is the file I need to edit?
02:30<Fatboy12345236>:/
02:30<jm_>we also need to start gnome, so I think this is the wrong way to do it, probably best to use gnome's startup mechanism to start compiz --replace
02:30<jm_>~/.xsession is a full path to the file
02:30<Fatboy12345236>err ok
02:31<jm_>Desktop Preferences->Sessions - does it list startup?
02:31<Fatboy12345236>letme see
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02:31<Fatboy12345236>yep,
02:32<jm_>try adding it there as something that runs last
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02:33<Fatboy12345236>k
02:33<Fatboy12345236>done,
02:33<Fatboy12345236>Should I logout and back in?
02:33<Fatboy12345236>to see if it works?
02:34<jm_>try it
02:34<Fatboy12345236>k
02:34<Fatboy12345236>brb
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02:35<Fatboy12345236>-.-
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02:36<Fatboy12345236>Alrighty,
02:36<Fatboy12345236>What now?
02:36<Fatboy12345236>-.-
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02:37<sney>update-alternatives --set x-window-manager `which compiz`
02:37<sney>maybe.
02:37<jm_>naah it doesn't register itself as an alternatives from what I checked
02:38<Fatboy12345236>What do you mean "which compiz"?
02:38<jm_>are you saying gnome startup method doesn't work or what?
02:38<Fatboy12345236>Well,
02:38<Yoda-BZH`Wk>salut/hi
02:38<Fatboy12345236>I added it to the startup list...
02:38<Fatboy12345236>and it
02:38<Fatboy12345236>s not lauching upon login
02:38<jm_>which oder number did you use?
02:38<sney>"which" is a command that shows the full path of an executable, and using backticks like ` ` feeds the output of a command to another command, basically
02:39<jm_>order
02:39<sney>hi yoda
02:39<Fatboy12345236>errr
02:39<Fatboy12345236>I got a screen like this:
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02:41<Fatboy12345236>http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2151/screenshotsessionsprefe.png
02:42<Fatboy12345236>jm_ ^^^ is my screenie.....
02:42<jm_>Fatboy12345236: hmm I was under the impression one can set when it starts, maybe that's in newer version of GNOME
02:43<jm_>Fatboy12345236: I never used GNOME so my advice is pretty much guessing/searching the web, try asking again later
02:43<Fatboy12345236>:( How can I upgrade GNOME?
02:43<sney>I think there is a thing in the debian wiki about setting up compiz
02:43<Fatboy12345236>yes
02:43<jm_>you already have the latest available in your debian release, you'd need to upgrade to testing - not sure if that's a good idea for a newbie
02:43<Fatboy12345236>but not madjusting startup list....
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02:44<jm_>yeah README.Debian says compiz --replace & :)
02:44<sney>echo "export WINDOW_MANAGER=/usr/bin/compiz" >> ~/.gnomerc
02:45<Fatboy12345236>xD What's the diffrence between a noob and a newbie
02:45<Fatboy12345236>?
02:45<Fatboy12345236>:O I know!
02:45<Fatboy12345236>noobs don't and CANT learn
02:45<Fatboy12345236>newbie's can, but are still new
02:45<Fatboy12345236>:D
02:45<Fatboy12345236>:P
02:46<sney>debian testing is very usable, but you should be able to get compiz working in stable
02:46<Fatboy12345236>i can
02:46<Fatboy12345236>But I wanta add it to the startup list?
02:46<jm_>would that still start entire gnome session and compiz?
02:46<sney>I don't know, the best would probably be to just keep idling here until someone else who's set it up completely before joins or wakes up
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02:46<Fatboy12345236>xD ok
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02:47<Fatboy|Asleep>zzzZZZzzzzzZ
02:47<Fatboy|Asleep>xD
02:47<Fatboy|Asleep>:@ I need a new nick
02:47<Fatboy|Asleep>I'm sick of Fatboy...
02:47<jm_>otherwise we can use xsession to first start gnome session and then compiz --replace, which I wanted to avoid
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02:48<Fatboy12345236>OK....
02:48<Fatboy12345236>Are there any other debian surport channels?
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02:49<jm_>there are many channels for non-english languages, which for you probably won't add a lot of value other than reading "g'day" or "mate" a lot more often
02:49<Fatboy12345236>xD
02:50<Fatboy12345236>Should I ask on the forums?
02:50<Fatboy12345236>OR....
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02:50<jm_>you can also ask on the mailing list, or search its archives
02:51<Fatboy12345236>Well, Should I ask on the forums?
02:51<FedeFrede>so who is gonna help me getting assaultcube running on deb
02:51<FedeFrede>?
02:51<FedeFrede>O_o
02:51<FedeFrede>hmm noone i guess :(
02:52<Fatboy12345236>xD
02:52<Fatboy12345236>I WOULD but I can't...
02:52<FedeFrede>err
02:52<Fatboy12345236>Sorry,
02:52<FedeFrede>thaaaats ok, it's only a game afterall
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02:53<Fatboy12345236>a game?
02:53<Fatboy12345236>D:
02:53<FedeFrede>yahh
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03:36<makkan>I need to control my digital picture frame from ssh. The DPF runs Lenny, and I want it to display whatever I do in ssh on the DPF screen. This is possible via gnu screen with the -x switch but this will not allow me to change window in gnu screen, it does work on the ssh side but the DPF is stuck on the original screen.
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03:37<ilven>guten morgen
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03:38<makkan>Is there a way to completely control host like described above via ssh?
03:38<jm_>makkan: how does one get it to display a picture?
03:39<makkan>jm_: well I've already done that. Now I want to use it to display console instead. Pictures were done in X with feh. You can have a look at the project here: http://genericnerd.blogspot.com/2009/05/converting-toshiba-320cds-to-digital.html
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03:42<jm_>makkan: well doesn't ssh -x work then?
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03:44<jm_>makkan: sorry I meant to say screen -x
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03:45<makkan>jm_: well yes it works but then I only get one window I can control, when I create a new window the DPF display will stay on the original window
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03:47<jm_>makkan: really? let me try this here
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03:49<meowmiint>hi what i am wanting is an app list for xfce, gnome, kde etc to get an idea of what i am wanting
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03:50<makkan>jm_: it did for me yesterday, I couldn't even get past the "splash screen" in screen without using the keyboard on the host.
03:50<jm_>makkan: ahh indeed
03:50<jm_>meowmiint: you want what?
03:52<meowmiint>hi what i am wanting is an app list for xfce, gnome, kde etc to get an idea of what i am wanting
03:53<meowmiint>an app list similar to the one at the end of this post http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=30403&p=175315&hilit=custom+debian+setup#p175315
03:53<jm_>makkan: perhaps ttysnoop can help
03:54<jm_>there is no list at the end of it
03:54<meowmiint>jm_: for gnome, kde, xfce etc
03:54<makkan>jm_: Thanks, I'll have a look at that-
03:54<jm_>meowmiint: I have no idea what you're after
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03:57<makkan>jm_: it seems tty snoop is exactly what I'm after, thanks alot
03:57<meowmiint>http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=30403&p=175315&hilit=custom+debian+setup#p175315
03:58<meowmiint>see that poste look at the bottom there is an app list that the guy used for his openbox system. thats is the kind of thing i am looking for
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03:59<meowmiint>^ jm_ can you understand english
03:59<jm_>meowmiint: I would think so yes
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04:00<jm_>you obviously have a different understanging what "bottom" and "ending" means
04:00<makkan>This brings me to my other question, is it possible to have different login scripts run depending if you log in via ssh versus local? I.e I want the local user to autologin and start ttysnoop by default, but if I ssh into the host with the same user I don't want that to start.
04:01<locklace>makkan: yes, easily
04:01<jm_>makkan: sure
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04:02<meowmiint>bottom = bottom of the web page. end = end of the web page whats the differance
04:03<meowmiint>english is my first language
04:03<locklace>!win meowmiint
04:03<dpkg>Congratulations, meowmiint! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
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04:04<meowmiint>dpkg: what do you mean please
04:04<dpkg>I mean what I mean!
04:05<meowmiint>!win
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04:05<meowmiint>i am looking for some help as i am going to build my own os using debian so if you could stop the bickering and maby point me in the right direction i would appreciate it
04:06<meowmiint>i am looking for an application list for the different de and wm there so i can deciced what i am going to use
04:06<jm_>finally he asks a sensible question
04:06<jm_>see what relevant tasks depend on
04:06<meowmiint>when i build my os
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04:07<jm_>or rather, which packages belong to given task
04:07<meowmiint>thats what i asked at the begining. using different words that mean the same thing
04:07<meowmiint>english can be confusing
04:07<jm_>I'll stop discussing thing swith you, playing net-game is more fun
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04:08<meowmiint> i am looking for an application list for the different de and wm there so i can deciced what i am going to use
04:08<meowmiint>so i will wait for my help on this
04:08<makkan>jm_ & locklace got any pointers as to where I should start looking for info on different login scripts for different types of login?
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04:11<jm_>makkan: one way is to use pam (i.e. pam_localuser), another option is to rely on which tty user is using
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04:12<meowmiint>makkan: hope this is of some help http://www.debianadmin.com/manage-linux-init-or-startup-scripts.html
04:15*meowmiint wonders how some people can be so rude
04:15*pfix hugs meowmiint
04:16<makkan>meowmiint: Not really, not at the knowledge level I have now. But thanks anyway.
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04:16<meowmiint>makkan: how new are you to linux
04:17<makkan>meowmiint: on and off since 93
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04:18<meowmiint>thanks all
04:18<meowmiint>ok but how much experance have you really had
04:18<makkan>meowmiint: so by time I'm ancient but nowhere near expert or complete novice
04:19<meowmiint>^ so you have mainly stuck with windozzy then
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04:20<meowmiint>makkan: if you are fairly new to linux by use then i suggest you try linux mint 7 main
04:20<makkan>meowmiint: yes, and osx but I've almost always had a computer running linux for some reason... it's really hard for me to say what expericene level I have.. Some parts of linux I have alot of experience with others not
04:21<meowmiint>linux mint is baised on uuntu adn ubuntu as you probablly know is baised on debian
04:21<meowmiint>uuntu = ubuntu
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04:22<meowmiint>so mint is good to start with then work back to ubuntu the debian then build your own then you will have a good understanding
04:23<makkan>meowmiint: Thanks but the system I'm trying to configure is a really basic debian installation.. The hardware is ancient 233 Mhz CPU w 96 MB RAM.
04:26<makkan>meowmiint: and I'd rather learn the proper way from start, otherwise it will just be confusing when you go from having everything served to you.
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04:31<Darkedge>Like meh new nick?
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04:32<Darkedge>P.S I'm Fatboy12345236
04:32<Darkedge>Like me new nick?
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04:33<Darkedge>:/ Me got quest.
04:33<Darkedge>!dpwtb Darkedge
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04:33<Darkedge>...
04:33<Darkedge>Anyone alive?
04:33<Darkedge>D:
04:34<shockdiode>sorta
04:34<Darkedge>xD
04:34<shockdiode>but not for long ;)
04:34<Darkedge>Well. Here's meh prob.
04:34<shockdiode>shoot
04:34<Darkedge>What?
04:34<shockdiode>i mean go ahead
04:34<Darkedge>I can install Compiz perfectly,
04:35<Darkedge>but is there a startup list?
04:35<Darkedge>That I can add it to?
04:35<shockdiode>hmm, sorry haven't used compiz in quite some time
04:35<shockdiode>might not be the best guy to ask
04:35<shockdiode>are you trying to get it to start up by default i'm assuming?
04:35<meowmiint>makkan: there are far better os than debian to use on a comp like that
04:35<Darkedge>yes
04:35<Darkedge>like a login
04:35<shockdiode>gnome or..
04:35<Darkedge>and compiz starts,
04:36<makkan>meowmiint: really? please do share... ;)
04:36<shockdiode>what desktop environment or window manager are you using?
04:36<meowmiint>for instnance dam small linux. there are small versions of puppy etc that may suit ou better but you probably have tryed those out
04:36<Darkedge>GNO<E
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04:36<Darkedge>GNOME
04:37<shockdiode>i'd start here for info:
04:37<shockdiode>http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz
04:37<meowmiint>makkan: look in distrowatch for small distros. ones that ccan fit on a flAH DRIVE OR OLD COMPUTERS
04:37<shockdiode>probably give you way better info than me as i haven't used compiz or gnome in a while
04:38<jm_>heh that says the same thing as I suggested - add it to startup
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04:39<jm_>maybe you added compiz --replace & to startup and you should just omit the ' &' part
04:39<makkan>meowmiint: I have tried both, and to be frank, they both contain alot of stuff I don't need. Neither of them support my wifi-card. And iirc both are based on debian, so why bother with those when I can build what I want?
04:40<meowmiint>makkan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=604913
04:40<shockdiode>i miss bitchx suddenly
04:40<shockdiode>ircii is ok...
04:41<Darkedge>brb
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04:42<meowmiint>this may also be of soem help makkan http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/suggested-linux-distro-for-128-mb-ram-233mhz-processor-and-4gb-hdd-755556/
04:42<makkan>meowmiint: but I have looked alot at smaller distros already. They are all good at their respective are of usage but what I need is pretty specific. And I like tinkering and learning at the same time.
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04:43<meowmiint>good on you the debian is right for you to do that
04:43<meowmiint>have fun and enjoy
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04:43<Darkedge>xD
04:43<Darkedge>Works!
04:44<Darkedge>What are some cool apps that for some reason don't come with Debian?
04:44<meowmiint>also makkan slaxware can also be good alternitave for building your own system
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04:45<meowmiint>and when you have a good knowledge like more expert lfs would be good
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04:45<jm_>Darkedge: what did you change?
04:46<makkan>meowmiint: seriously thanks for the effort, but I have a working system. I asked a question on how to configure it not what distro I should switch to.
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04:46<Darkedge>I thought I had to put the Compiz run in bq thing
04:46<jm_>right
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04:47<Darkedge>and it didn't work
04:47<Darkedge>but with just "compiz --replace" it worked
04:47<jm_>& is a shell construct, so it won't work when it's started without a shell
04:48<Darkedge>xD
04:48<Darkedge>no wonder
04:48<Darkedge>anyways jm_ all of you
04:48<Darkedge>thx 4 the help,
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04:50<Darkedge>Is there a way I can "speed" up debian?
04:50<jm_>Darkedge: there are not many apps that are not in debian
04:51<makkan>geez he just wouldn't quit would he...
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04:51<Darkedge>How can I speed up Debian?
04:51<Darkedge>:/
04:51<jm_>which part?
04:52<Darkedge>The whole OS but mostly Web-Browsersa
04:52<Darkedge>Web-Browsers*
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04:52<jm_>join the development team and work on speeding them up
04:52<Darkedge>How?
04:53<Darkedge>I've programmed on Windows before and stuff
04:53<jm_>in that case just give up ;)
04:53<Darkedge>Well, xD...
04:53<Darkedge>I could suggest they supply Opera or Firefox
04:53<makkan>Darkedge: Kazehakase is quite a nice browser, quite competent and nice on the cpu.
04:54<shockdiode>firevox is included..
04:54<jm_>isn't that also using gecko engine?
04:54<shockdiode>forefox even
04:54<shockdiode>er firefox
04:54<shockdiode>ok i'll stop
04:54<Darkedge>:/ Is it worth keeping Opera if I install Kazehakase?
04:54<dr|z3d>Darkedge: Sure.
04:54<Darkedge>ok...
04:54<makkan>Darkedge: well thats up to you..
04:54<dr|z3d>It's helpful to have a few browsers around.
04:55<dr|z3d>Midori is another you might want to try.
04:55<Darkedge>apt-get install Kazehakase?
04:55<jm_>yeah it's based on gecko
04:55<dr|z3d>Darkedge: No caps.
04:55<dr|z3d>All lower case
04:55<dr|z3d>!aptitude
04:55<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude
04:55<Darkedge>k so apt-get install kazehakase?
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04:56<makkan>Darkedge: yes...
04:56<makkan>or aptitude install kazehakase
04:56<makkan>as dr|z3d hinted
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04:58<Darkedge>:/ I like it's style
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04:58<Darkedge>Some apps the Debian team install by default are WAY not needed!
04:58<Darkedge>:O another question
04:58<Darkedge>u no the apps bar up the top?
04:58<Darkedge>How can I put more apps there?
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04:59<edisroh>I've done an apt-get dist-upgrade
04:59<edisroh>and now.. my desktop has gone all wrong
04:59<Darkedge>xD
04:59<Darkedge>D:
04:59<Darkedge>Wrong as in?
05:00<Darkedge>Won't start?
05:00<edisroh>no
05:00<dr|zed>Darkedge: If you mean the Gnome panel, add an app launcher and point it at the bin file you wish to run.
05:00<edisroh>gdmgreeter is segfaulting
05:00<Darkedge>app laucher?
05:00<edisroh>when I start a gnome session manually, there is no panel
05:00<edisroh>but gnome-panel is running
05:00<edisroh>no gtk menus will display
05:01<edisroh>although the text in the menu bar is highlighted
05:01<edisroh>and generally it's all completely fscked
05:01<shockdiode>well that sucks
05:01<edisroh>it does indeed
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05:01<Darkedge>:/ Insert your installaion CD and enter "recuse mode"
05:01<edisroh>what, I wonder, can I do to fix this situation?
05:01<dr|zed>Time to recommend Xfce to the pair of you.
05:02<dr|zed>edisroh: And try slim instead of gdm.
05:02<dr|zed>aptitude install slim
05:02<Darkedge>I like GNOME
05:02<Darkedge>gdm?
05:02<dr|zed>Darkedge: Then you'll LOVE Xfce.
05:02<shockdiode>as a last resort try
05:02<shockdiode>apt-get remove gnome-desktop-environment
05:02<shockdiode>then apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment
05:02<Darkedge>I've alredy tried xfce
05:03<edisroh>dr|z3d: that might avoid GDM's problems, but I can't see how that would fix GNOME
05:03<edisroh>why would removing and installing the gnome-desktop-environment package change anything?
05:03<dr|zed>edisroh: slim for gdm issues, Xfce for gnome issues.
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05:03<Darkedge>If it was corrupt?
05:04<dr|zed>It might.
05:04-!-dr|zed is now known as dr|z3d
05:04<dr|z3d>Especially if you purge your settings as well.
05:04<edisroh>dr|zed: I don't want Xfce, I want GNOME
05:04<shockdiode>yes
05:04<dr|z3d>Then uninstall Gnome, purge settings, reinstall.
05:04<Darkedge>btw what's an "app launcher"?
05:04<jm_>that's easier checked by starting it as a new user
05:05<edisroh>dr|z3d: I don't want to purge settings
05:05<dr|z3d>jm_: Good point.
05:05<edisroh>I'm not sure what "purge settings" even means
05:05<shockdiode>good call jm_
05:05<dr|z3d>edisroh: Create a new user, and login.
05:05<shockdiode>still, maybe some package was fscked
05:05<dr|z3d>That will give you Gnome defaults.
05:05<shockdiode>what did you dist-upgrade from/to
05:06<Darkedge>:/ What's an app launcher? wait I'll ask dpkg
05:06<edisroh>shockdiode, from testing of a month ago to testing of yesterday
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05:06<shockdiode>ah, have you checked to see if anyone else is having gnome issues in testing?
05:06<Darkedge>WTF is an app-launcher?
05:06<dr|z3d>Darkedge: It's a Gnome applet for your panel to launch applications.
05:06<shockdiode>a little button that launches a program
05:07<Darkedge>Yes
05:07<Darkedge>that how do I ADD them
05:07<dr|z3d>And stop repeating yourself, you're becoming tiresome, Darkedge.
05:07<Darkedge>?
05:07<shockdiode>right click on the panel
05:07<Darkedge>Sorry,
05:07<Darkedge>k
05:07<shockdiode>there should be an option in the menu
05:07<jm_>Darkedge: also read gnome docs, they have lots of it
05:07<Darkedge>:D Thanks,
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05:07<Txt_file>I have a problem with hardware accel at my ati RV350 gpu. I installed debian squeeze yesterday and updated to sid. But I only get 'direct rendering: Yes | OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer' with 'glxinfo |grep rend'. xorg.conf: http://paste.debian.net/47227 & X.log: http://paste.debian.net/47228
05:07<shockdiode>again haven't used gnome in awhile but I believe that's where it is
05:07<Darkedge>:/ I'm trying to think of some kool apps....
05:07<Darkedge>Is wine worth it?
05:08<dr|z3d>"Add new item" to your Gnome panel..right click as shockdiode suggests.
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05:08<shockdiode>wine is useful
05:08<shockdiode>for some stuff
05:08<aju1>hi to all,which is best utility to do video-audio conference ?
05:08<dr|z3d>Darkedge: What distro are you running, out of interest?
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05:08<Darkedge>Just a question, Is it possible to disable writtting to "visual" disk?
05:08<dr|z3d>aju1: Try Skype.
05:08<Darkedge>Debian
05:08<Txt_file>aju1: pidgin
05:08<shockdiode>multi party video-audio?
05:09<dr|z3d>Skype.
05:09<dr|z3d>Skype is better than pidginby miles.
05:09<shockdiode>skype doesn't do multi party video i think but works dandy for multi party audio
05:09<dr|z3d>Well, until they lose the codec patents, that is.
05:09<themill>Not that we enjoy recommending non-free software in #debian...
05:09<shockdiode>pidgin does google audio/video now
05:09<aju1>dr|z3d, Skype is not GPL,pidgin is giving low quality video
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05:10<shockdiode>skype still works a bit better imho
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05:10<t>still fscked
05:10<dr|z3d>themill: Indeed not.. :/
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05:10<shockdiode>sadly it's the best option at the moment
05:10-!-t is now known as rah
05:10<aju1>is in skype videp conference comes by default or require to pay any bugs?
05:10<shockdiode>person to person video is free
05:11<dr|z3d>Video is free in Skype.
05:11<rah>http://myrtle.6gnip.net/~rah/xsession-errors.log
05:11<dr|z3d>You only pay for outgoing Skype -> phone calls.
05:11<shockdiode>there is no more than 2 person video in skype though
05:11<dr|z3d>(optionally).
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05:11<aju1>how is asterisk?
05:11<rah>something is so very, very wrong
05:11<ert34>You know the thing about do not unplugging your usb flash drive from the computer before unomounting it? I did it, and now I can't mount it. I am not having lucky finding recover tools for gnu/linux. Can someone point me in the right direction?
05:11<dr|z3d>asterisk is a pbx. not the same thing, at all.
05:12<Txt_file>ert34: what fs?
05:12<dr|z3d>If you're a call center, try asterisk.
05:12<shockdiode>ert34: what filesystem?
05:12<ert34>unmonting/luck*
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05:12<shockdiode>fat32 i guess?
05:13<shockdiode>fsck.vfat
05:13<rah>how can I determine what the problem is?
05:13<ert34>ext2
05:13<ert34>my system is ext2
05:13<shockdiode>on the usb drive?
05:14<rah>anyone?
05:14<shockdiode>if so then e2fsck
05:14<ert34>I had used it following the steps to install debian from an usb stick. Let me check.
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05:14*rah is in danger of having to use windows
05:15<shockdiode>ah, ok, then it's probably ext2 or ext3
05:15<Txt_file>rah yeah
05:15<shockdiode>e2fsck if so
05:15<dr|z3d>rah: You haven't told us much in the way of your issue.
05:15<dr|z3d>!ask
05:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
05:15<rah>dr|z3d: eh?
05:15<rah>there is no gnome panel
05:15<rah>no gtk menus will display
05:16<rah>gnome-panel is running
05:16<dr|z3d>rah: So. Did you try uninstalling gnome, purging settings, reinstalling?
05:16<jm_>maybe rah is edisroh
05:16<rah>oh
05:16-!-rah is now known as edisroh
05:16<edisroh>oops
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05:16<edisroh>my bad
05:16<edisroh>dr|z3d, what do you mean by "uninstalling gnome"?
05:16<edisroh>dr|z3d, what do you mean by "purging settings"?
05:16<dr|z3d>jm_: Yeah.. I think we have a few trolls here.
05:17<themill>jm_: and also "t"
05:17<edisroh>t == edisroh == rah
05:17<edisroh>t is the new user I created
05:17<edisroh>edisroh is the username I was assigned at work
05:17<edisroh>rah is my username
05:17<dr|z3d>Can we lose them all.. too much noise, not enough initiative.
05:18<edisroh>"not enough initiative"?
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05:18<dr|z3d>Yup, trolltime.
05:19<dr|z3d>edisroh: google is a wonderful resource. if you don't understand terms used, take some initiative.
05:19<edisroh>dr|z3d: I understand the words
05:19<edisroh>dr|z3d: I just don't understand what there is you think I can do that I haven't done
05:20<edisroh>ie, what initiative you expect me to display
05:20<ert34>I've installed that e2fsck-static package, but no idea how to use it. shockdiode
05:20<dr|z3d>edisroh: Understand the context and the meaning of what you're being told. Uninstall, purge, these are things you SHOULD know about.
05:20<shockdiode>man e2fsck
05:20<dr|z3d>edisroh: If you don't, google. We're not here to do your background reading for you.
05:20<edisroh>dr|z3d: "purge" what?
05:21<shockdiode>what device is the stick recognized as when you plug it in?
05:21<edisroh>dr|z3d: you're not making much sense
05:21<themill>edisroh: I presume you've tried restarting xorg and gnome
05:21<shockdiode>plug it in and tail /var/log/syslog
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05:21<edisroh>themill: yes, I have
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05:22<shockdiode>then e2fsck whatever the device is
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05:22<shockdiode>if it shows up as /dev/sdb for example, an you have just one partition on it, plug it in and do
05:22<shockdiode>e2fsck /dev/sdb1
05:22<ert34>Dunno, let me try find out. shockdiode
05:22<shockdiode>or e2fsck -y /dev/sdb1
05:22<dr|z3d>edisroh: I'm making perfect sense. Just because you're ignorant, don't blame me. Uninstall Gnome, purge settings, reinstall. Simple. And CLEAR.
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05:23<shockdiode>i'm sorry, i've gotta pass out but i'm sure someone here can assist you with the fsck process
05:23<shockdiode>not too rough once you figure out which device to check
05:23<edisroh>dr|z3d: which packages constitute "gnome"? which files constitute "settings" that need to be "purged"? by "purge", do you mean 'dpkg --purge' or 'rm -rf'? this is all very unclear
05:24<dr|z3d>edisroh: dpkg --purge is closest to what you want.
05:24<Darkedge>Back
05:24<Darkedge>xD
05:25<dr|z3d>That will remove the package settings that _might_ be causing issues, so when you reinstall, you get a FRESH installation with no leftover settings. Make sense?
05:25<themill>Except, of course, that gnome settings are most likely to be in $HOME.
05:25<ert34>I am already finding the device name.
05:26<edisroh>dr|z3d: it doesn't make sense, no; which packages are you talking about?
05:27<xeon-enouf>edisroh: you want to purge any/all gnome? or ...
05:27<dr|z3d>edisroh: gnome, in essence. What you're having issues with, right? Whatever the package name is..
05:27<ert34>I have 8 different syslog.gz
05:27<dr|z3d>edisroh: I'd also install Xfce myself, just so you have a gui fallback.
05:27<edisroh>dr|z3d: you realise "gnome" is in fact a very large number of packages, not a single package?
05:27<edisroh>xeon-enouf, I want gnome-panel to appear and gtk to work
05:28<jm_>ert34: log rotation at work
05:28<dr|z3d>xeon-enouf: Yeah, he does, and then reinstall it.
05:28<xeon-enouf>ok
05:28<dr|z3d>edisroh: There's a metapackage.
05:28<xeon-enouf>tasksel --task-packages gnome-desktop ?
05:28<edisroh>xeon-enouf: dr|z3d thinks that running dpkg --purge on a shitload of gnome packages will make a difference
05:29<ert34>jm_, which one tells me what device is used when I plug my usb flash drive?
05:29<shockdiode>ert34: just /var/log/syslog
05:29<shockdiode>you'll see something like:
05:29<xeon-enouf>edisroh: those syslog file each have a number in their name, yes?
05:29<shockdiode>Sep 22 02:28:15 ryan-laptop2 kernel: [230019.398496] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdc] 7938048 512-byte hardwaresectors: (4.06 GB/3.78 GiB)
05:29<edisroh>t@whitefall:~$ tasksel --task-packages gnome-desktop | wc -l
05:29<edisroh>10
05:29<themill>edisroh: have you tried creating a new user and logging in as that user?
05:29<dr|z3d>edisroh: No, that's not what I recommended, at all. aptitude's purge command is better.
05:29<shockdiode>the [sdc] part is what you're looking for
05:29<edisroh>themill: yes
05:29<shockdiode>so mine is at /dev/sdc
05:29<edisroh>themill: (that user is named "t")
05:29<themill>and ...
05:29<dr|z3d>Also, metapackages.
05:30<dr|z3d>Not individual apps.
05:30<edisroh>themill: and I'm still here asking :-)
05:30<edisroh>themill: there is no change
05:30<xeon-enouf>heh, apt-cache depends gnome-desktop-environment
05:30<shockdiode>so tail /var/log/syslog right after you plug it in
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05:31<xeon-enouf>could dmesg | tail even
05:31<shockdiode>indeed
05:31<shockdiode>that would also work
05:31<ert34>usb-storage: device found at 3
05:31<shockdiode>yup after that
05:31<ert34>What that means?
05:31<shockdiode>it means it found the device, there should be some message like mine after that
05:31<Darkedge>Fuck
05:31<shockdiode>that's from the usb subsystem
05:32<Darkedge>:@
05:32<shockdiode>after that the kernel should detect a scsi disk
05:32<shockdiode>and it will look like the message i posted above
05:32<edisroh>bbiab
05:32<Darkedge>I just removed the bit that has applications places and stuff on it
05:32<xeon-enouf>could even run udevmonitor as root; plug in ;-)
05:32<edisroh>(when it's still not working :-)
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05:32<Darkedge>How can I get it back?
05:33<Darkedge>...
05:33<xeon-enouf>or udevadm --monitor, i suppose is the newer way
05:33<jm_>ert34: cat /proc/partitions
05:33<Darkedge>err
05:33<Darkedge>I really need help!
05:33<dr|z3d>Darkedge: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/GNOME.html
05:34<xeon-enouf>Darkedge: /msg dpkg gnome
05:34<ert34>jm_, shockdiode i see only one sdb thing there
05:35<shockdiode>can you paste the output?
05:35<ert34>Sure, a moment.
05:35<xeon-enouf>fdisk -l should also show worthy info
05:36<Darkedge>errr
05:36<Darkedge>Listen
05:36<ert34>http://pastebin.com/m3f360ab
05:36<shockdiode>or basically, if you do jm_'s suggestion and cat /proc/partitions and see sdb in there
05:36<Darkedge>Please I need help badly!
05:37<shockdiode>then remove the stick, and cat /proc/partitions again and don't see it, that's your guy
05:37<ert34>Oh, yes.
05:37<ert34>shockdiode, nice
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05:37<ert34>And the guy is sdb.
05:38<shockdiode>so, let's say it's sdb1
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05:38<shockdiode>then plug it in and try: sudo e2fsck -y /dev/sdb1
05:38<shockdiode>and let it do it's thing and see if that fixes you up
05:38<Darkedge>guys, me gonna try logout/login
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05:39<ert34>command not found 0_o
05:39<ert34>I've not installed the right package, I guess.
05:39<shockdiode>sudo /sbin/e2fsck then
05:39<shockdiode>the /sbin path might not be in your path
05:40<shockdiode>so sudo /sbin/e2fsck -y /dev/sdb1
05:40<shockdiode>assuming it's sdb1
05:40<xeon-enouf>i've seen things be /dev/mmblk0p1 and such
05:40<ert34>he superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
05:40<ert34>filesystem.
05:40<shockdiode>are you sure it's ext2 then?
05:41<ert34>No.
05:41<xeon-enouf>ert34: file -s /dev/sdb1
05:41<ert34>/dev/sdb1: ERROR: cannot open `/dev/sdb1' (No such file or directory)
05:41<jm_>:)
05:42<xeon-enouf>ert34: pastebin output of 'fdisk -l' ; 'cat /proc/partitions' ; 'dmesg | tail' just so we're/you're sure correct device
05:42<ert34>sdb1 isn't the mounted device. apparently it's not being mounted, never.
05:42<xeon-enouf>!walot
05:42<dpkg>well, walot is please at least pastebin the output of ls -l /dev/disk/by-* ; fdisk -l ; df -hT ; cat /proc/partitions ; cat /proc/mounts ; and blkid ; If you're paranoid, no need to show correct UUIDs, alter them or something.
05:42<jm_>you don't want it to be mounted when doing fsck anyway
05:42<shockdiode>i don't think fdisk -l does anything without a device argument
05:42<ert34>First I would install fdisk.
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05:42<jm_>what the hell does walot stand for?
05:42<xeon-enouf>shockdiode: try it;-)
05:42<xeon-enouf>jm_: i forget ;-)
05:42<xeon-enouf>jm_: i created it .. heh
05:43<jm_>xeon-enouf: haha
05:43<shockdiode>doesn't here
05:43<shockdiode>;)
05:43<xeon-enouf>jm_: what a lot of things .. or something ;-)
05:43<gsimmons>xeon-enouf: Weren't you going to call that factoid "diskinfo"?
05:43<xeon-enouf>gsimmons: aye - or something ;-) i even made a silly (funnyily named, and easy to remember) symlink to it - and forgot _that_ name!
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05:44<xeon-enouf>s/y//
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05:44<Darkedge> Guys!
05:44<dr|z3d>Darkedge: Have you read http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/GNOME.html ?
05:45<dr|z3d>Darkedge: Constantly screaming for attention will, perversely, get you ignored. Try not acting like that, please. Be patient.
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05:45<Darkedge>ok. but guys
05:45<Darkedge>I badly need help.
05:45<ert34>I just installed the gnu-fdisk package. How do I call the fdisk?
05:46<Darkedge>I want to get my app-bar back
05:46<Darkedge>How can I do it?
05:46<xeon-enouf>ert34: util-linux
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05:46<jm_>Darkedge: if nothing else works removing all gnome settings would help, but then you'd have to reconfigure everything
05:46<xeon-enouf>util-linux: /sbin/fdisk
05:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 389] by debhelper
05:47<Darkedge>:(
05:47<Darkedge>I do know what bit of ^^^^ you want me to read,
05:47<ert34>I installed the worng package. (again)
05:47<xeon-enouf>ert34: how could you not have that installed :-P
05:47<ert34>gnu-fdisk
05:47<shockdiode>ert34: i'm out but you're definitely in good hands here. good luck fixing up that disk
05:47<jm_>you could also ask in gnome related channels
05:47<dr|z3d>Darkedge: I want you to read all of it, and then follow up links at the bottom..
05:48<Darkedge>ok -.-
05:48<dr|z3d>Darkedge: It might give you some good insight into how Gnome works.
05:48<themill>Darkedge: remember the discussions we had yesterday and the day before about not hitting enter every few words and actually asking a concise question and displaying some patience?
05:48<jm_>Darkedge: see you in two days then
05:48<ert34>Ah, thanks.
05:48<ert34>I have that util-linux package installed.
05:49<ert34>/sbin/fdisk works
05:49<ert34>Ok, output coming.
05:49<xeon-enouf>ert34: required util-linux install ok installed <--heh
05:49<Darkedge>:( I do needa know how GNOME works, Just how to get meh app-bar back
05:49<Darkedge>-.-
05:49<Darkedge>Please I don't mean to brag...
05:50<ert34>http://pastebin.com/m66b50ab9
05:50<xeon-enouf>Error: /dev/sdb: unrecognised disk label
05:50<xeon-enouf>oh well ;-)
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05:51<xeon-enouf>and it ain't /dev/sda - unless you have a 160GB usb stick :-P
05:51<ert34>dmesg | tail here: http://pastebin.com/m2c46fc06
05:51<jm_>sdb: unknown partition table
05:51<ert34>:-)
05:51<jm_>your partition table is corrupt
05:51<xeon-enouf>but it does look like you have some LVM and Crypto? on the key?
05:52<ert34>I do have.
05:52<Darkedge>GNOME-Pannel?
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05:52<xeon-enouf>that is some _nasty_ fdisk output :-p
05:52<Lethalman>Darkedge, what's app-bar?
05:53<Lethalman>yes maybe it's gnome-panel
05:53<ert34>I've used the crypto thing at the installation.
05:53<Lethalman>Darkedge, right-click on the panel and add the menu applet
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05:53<xeon-enouf>yeah, but it's /dev/sdb
05:53<xeon-enouf> 3007.059017] scsi 6:0:0:0: Direct-Access Kingston DataTraveler 2.0 PMAP PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
05:53<ert34>My partition table isn't corrupted, jm_ , I think, I use crypto, it's why looks like thise
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05:53<Darkedge>:Pannel?
05:53<xeon-enouf>dmesg shows nice
05:54<Darkedge>My likke, Application Places thing up the top is missing
05:54<dr|z3d>Darkedge: If you'd followed up the links at the bottom of the page I referenced, you might have found: http://library.gnome.org/users/user-guide/stable/
05:54<Lethalman>Darkedge, ***panel*** not pannel
05:54<Lethalman>Darkedge, I've said you how to do that, just do it
05:54<dr|z3d>Darkedge: http://library.gnome.org/users/user-guide/stable/panels.html.en
05:54<dr|z3d>Darkedge: Please take some time out to look at the docs.
05:55<dr|z3d>You'll do yourself a big favor. And us.
05:55<ert34>So, is my partion table corruptef or not?
05:55<Darkedge>k
05:55<ert34>*partition
05:55<jm_>ert34: on your usb disk? for the whole device?
05:56<xeon-enouf>ert34: where's your / FS? on internal HDD? how is that drive sliced/used; LVM, crypto, what?
05:56<dr|z3d>Darkedge: Also: http://library.gnome.org/users/user-guide/stable/menubar.html.en
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05:56*dr|z3d hopes Darkedge has _all_ the information he needs.
05:56<makkan>jm_: regarding my question about different scripts for remote vs local logins. Sounds like a simple script determining if the user is on a tty or pts would suffice, or what would you say?
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05:56<xeon-enouf>ert34: and what's on the USB key, /boot? lvm w/crypto?
05:56<ert34>USB has nothing.
05:57<jm_>makkan: absolutely, that was why I suggested checking user's tty
05:57<ert34>Just a empty device to use. It's not working. It's my problem.
05:57<Darkedge>I'm trying I just think I'll fail... -.-
05:57<makkan>jm_: Thought so... Just took me a while to see the simple solution :)
05:57<jm_>so it does have corrupt partition ..
05:57<xeon-enouf>makkan: you can likely obtain that from lastlog output?
05:57<fgh>my function-key seemst to not work anymore on my Aspire3000 laptop. what package controls that? i was thinking about reinstalling or reconfigure it..
05:57<jm_>makkan: you should ask if you need details
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05:58<makkan>xeon-enouf: or just use the tty command
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05:58<edisroh>I ran aptitude purge gnome-desktop-environment
05:58<dr|z3d>Darkedge: One more thing.. it's customary and polite to ackonowledge when you've received help. "Thanks, looking" works fine.
05:58<edisroh>then I ran dpkg --purge on all of the packages that hadn't been purged
05:58<themill>fgh: squeeze?
05:58<ert34>My / is on internal HDD
05:58<edisroh>then I reinstalled slim
05:58<makkan>jm_: didn't dare.. and you usually learn more if you try to do it yourself
05:58<edisroh>then I added another new user
05:58<ert34>I am using crypto and LVM I guess/
05:58<edisroh>nothing has changed
05:59<edisroh>gnome-panel still doesn't display
05:59<Darkedge>Thanks not working... -.- thanks for trying
05:59<Darkedge>I can't open ANYTHING
05:59<edisroh>and gtk menus still don't work
05:59<Darkedge>I can't do anything
05:59<edisroh>dr|z3d: any more suggestions?
05:59<Darkedge>-.-
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05:59<ert34>crypto luks
05:59<edisroh>hmm
05:59<fgh>themill: stable
05:59<ert34>not lvm
06:00<dr|z3d>Darkedge: Ok. Try this: aptitude install xfce4 then: xfce4-panel
06:00<ert34>I dunno, in fact.
06:00<edisroh>I missed a step
06:00<edisroh>I installed gnome-desktop-environment again
06:00<Darkedge>I can't
06:00<Darkedge>I can't DO ANYTHING
06:00<Darkedge>:(
06:00<Darkedge>I can't open Terminal
06:00<dr|z3d>Darkedge: alt+f2 -> gnome-terminal
06:01<dr|z3d>Darkedge: *alt+f2* -> gnome-terminal
06:01<edisroh>you might want to "export DISPLAY=:0.0" first
06:01<ert34>xeon-enouf, I don't know how to answer you.
06:01<edisroh>so
06:01<ert34>If I am using LVM or not.
06:01<edisroh>do I reboot into windows?
06:02<Darkedge>errr
06:02<Darkedge>I need the root terminal
06:02<Darkedge>-.-
06:02<ert34>I know that I have a /dev/sda2 labeled crypt-luks
06:03<edisroh>nobody has any suggestions on how to diagnose why gnome-panel doesn't appear?
06:03<dr|z3d>Darkedge: alt-f2 .. what does that do for you?
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06:03<Darkedge>run program
06:03<Lethalman>edisroh, launch it from terminal
06:03<Darkedge>xD did it
06:04<dr|z3d>edisroh: http://library.gnome.org/users/user-guide/stable/
06:04<edisroh>Lethalman: it's already running
06:04<dr|z3d>Darkedge: Right. So, type gnome-terminal
06:04<dr|z3d>Why do I have to repeat myself?
06:04<Lethalman>edisroh, kill it and relaunch it then
06:04<edisroh>Lethalman: it's relaunched automatically by gnome-session
06:04<ert34>jm_, I didn't get it. What is wrong with my partition table?
06:05<Lethalman>edisroh, I mean kill it and launch it from terminal
06:05<Lethalman>to see if you get any warnings
06:05<Darkedge>xD
06:05<Darkedge>Hope it works
06:05<Darkedge>I purged removed it
06:05<edisroh>Lethalman: how can I do that if gnome-session restarts it immediately?
06:05<Darkedge>then installed it again
06:05<jm_>ert34: answer my qeustions first
06:05<edisroh>Lethalman, regardless, the warnings would go into .xsession-errors if there were any
06:05<edisroh>and there aren't any
06:05<Lethalman>edisroh, ah that's right
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06:06<Lethalman>edisroh, maybe you deleted all the panels?
06:06<edisroh>Lethalman, this is a new user
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06:06<edisroh>ie, default desktop
06:06<Lethalman>no idea sorry
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06:06<Lethalman>edisroh, sid?
06:06<edisroh>squeeze
06:06<Darkedge>dr | z3d I owe you one
06:07<Darkedge>brb
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06:07<Lethalman>no idea, I don't use squeeze for desktop since a long time
06:07<edisroh>dr|z3d, why have you pointed me to the desktop user guide?
06:07<ert34>jm_, I did all commands from the /
06:08<ert34>And I am not running anything from my USB stick.
06:08*dr|z3d casts a magic spell to banish the noise.
06:08<jm_>ert34: that doesn't answer my questions
06:08<valdyn>edisroh: if gnome-session is controlling a program then you can configure that in gnome-session-properties
06:09<ert34>Sorry for that. But I think I don't know what you asked, can you please ask again? I apologize.
06:09<xeon-enouf>this is not good ... i can't even login, can't recall my user passwd, ...and worse, not even my root passwd :-(
06:09<edisroh>valdyn, err.. are you sure?
06:09<edisroh>valdyn, it doesn't look like I can
06:10<edisroh>valdyn, regardless, that doesn't help solve my problem
06:10<jm_>ert34: please prefix messages for me with jm, there's too much noise to follow now; also learn how to access scrollback in your IRC client -- <jm_> ert34: on your usb disk? for the whole device?
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06:12<Darkedge>Guys...
06:12<Darkedge>Didn't work....
06:12<Darkedge>I'll take a screenshot
06:12<edisroh>speaking of not working
06:12<edisroh>I'm in work at the moment
06:12<edisroh>and I'm not working
06:12<edisroh>because I have no desktop
06:13<jm_>edisroh: that's the spirit
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06:13<edisroh>I think, much to my disdain, I'm going to have to reboot into windows
06:13<edisroh>jm_: the spirit is trying to fix the problem
06:13<ert34>I really don't get your question. jm
06:14<jm_>ert34: <ert34> I've used the crypto thing at the installation.
06:14<jm_>read the questions again in this context
06:14<edisroh>jm_: unfortunately, there seems to be no suggestions on how to proceed toward that end
06:14<ert34>Ahhh
06:14<Darkedge>jm_ I've sent you meh screenie
06:14<dr|z3d>Darkedge: Like I suggested before, install Xfce in addition to Gnome.. they're broadly the same, and then you get a fallback.
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06:14<jm_>Darkedge: why me? I can't help you with gnome details
06:15<ert34>For my whole system.
06:15<ert34>Not for the USB stick.
06:15<Darkedge>ok i'll install xfrce
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06:15<jm_>so your partition table *is* corrupt
06:15<jm_>on usb stick anyway
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06:15<dr|z3d>Darkedge: aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies
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06:16<Darkedge>ok
06:16<Darkedge>I hope it works...
06:16<ert34>I thought that it is a normal thing when I took a look at gparted and saw the partition table. I was wrong.
06:16*xeon-enouf is still trying to login, so i can then see the difference in 'lastlog' output when i'm logged into tty as well as pts :-(
06:17<ert34>So. how to fix my broken partition table>
06:17<jm_>I would first back it up, then try using tools like gpart or testdisk
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06:17<xeon-enouf>repartition it - wipe it with zeros prior perhaps
06:18<xeon-enouf>there's nothing on it, right?
06:18<jm_>if there's no data on it that you car e about simple recreate it all
06:18<ert34>I am not going to make backups without my USB stick. :-)
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06:18<ert34>hehe
06:18*xeon-enouf thinks he heard ert34 say nothing is on it
06:18<jm_>you can make a backup of usb disk on your sda device
06:19<ert34>My USB stick is empty. I don't need it.
06:19<Darkedge>brb
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06:20<ert34>You are telling that my system partition table is corrupted. So it's nothing to do with my USB stick to fix it.
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06:20<jm_>no, go reread it, your sdb partition table is
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06:21<dr|z3d>ert34: You can create a new partition table with gparted.
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06:21<Darkedge>Fail. :( me gonna reinstall debian
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06:22<ert34>It's my sdb partition table. I thought that when people say _partition table_ they mean only one and that system has only this one.
06:22<ert34>that the system*
06:22<Darkedge>alrighty guys
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06:23<xeon-enouf>ert34: each disk device (and other things) can/do have their very own partition table, in most cases
06:24<dr|z3d>Oh dear, oh dear.
06:24<ert34>Hmm. That's why I didn't get yout point jm, I misunderstood that.
06:25<ert34>When jm said partition table is broken I thought, I am *** my system is broken and don't even know.
06:25<ert34>Fine.
06:26<dr|z3d>ert34: jm_ is saying, as far as I can discern, that the partition table for your usb device is borked.
06:26<ert34>So, I don't need any backup.
06:27<dr|z3d>ert34: If that's the case, you can have gparted create a new partition table.
06:27<dr|z3d>(for the usb device).
06:27<xeon-enouf>ert34: backups are good ;-)
06:27<xeon-enouf>like .. i wish i backedup my passwds :-P
06:27<ert34>I have nothing to backup in first place.
06:28<xeon-enouf>ert34: your internal HDD will never fail?
06:28<dr|z3d>ert34: If you're talking about a thumb drive with no system files/dirs on it, ie it's not needed for your system to boot, then you can happily initialize the partition table of the usb device without needing to backup Debian. Hope that makes sense.
06:28<ert34>That USB stick was just a truecrypt usb thing.
06:28<jm_>that would also explain why it can't read partition table - depending on ohw truecrypt was used
06:30<xeon-enouf>encryption can be dangerous in the wrong hands :-P
06:30<simonrvn>reinstall debian for?
06:30<jm_>simonrvn: he fucked up his gnome panel or whatever ;)
06:30<ert34>I use gnu/linux because it's supposed to have good encryption support and security.
06:31<simonrvn>*facepalm*
06:31<dr|z3d>simonrvn: Because gnome panel wasn't working, assuming you mean Dark*
06:31<themill>simonrvn: just let him.. it'll keep him out of #debian for an our or so
06:31<dr|z3d>And he wasn't patient enough for us to get it working.
06:31<jm_>hehe
06:31<ert34>dr|z3d, gparted don't shows me /dev/sdb
06:31*dr|z3d chuckles.
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06:32<simonrvn>dr|z3d: yes
06:32<ert34>Sorry. It show it.
06:32<ert34>In a not so shown menu.
06:32<xeon-enouf>ert34: try dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb <-- Careful! make sure /dev/name is correct!
06:32<simonrvn>themill: our hour? :P
06:33<ert34>I am using gparted right now to create the partition table.
06:34<ert34>OMG dr|z3d you told me to do it days ago and I don't found sdb in geparted at the last time, if I was sucessful we would not be having this conversation today... hehe
06:34<ert34>My fault.
06:34<dr|z3d>Better late than never. :)
06:36<ert34>Thanks. xeon-enouf jm_ dr|z3d
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06:36<ert34>Problem seems fixed.
06:36<xeon-enouf>ert34: can you help me recall my passwds please?
06:37<dr|z3d>xeon-enouf: Your password is "imclueless" ;)
06:37<ert34>No idea what you are talking about. But I help you if you tell me what to do.
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06:38<dr|z3d>ert34: He's messing around. Don't pay him any attention. ;)
06:38<Rurd2di_>can anyone help me?
06:38<xeon-enouf>ert34: thanks for the thought
06:38<xeon-enouf>dr|z3d: probably!
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06:38<Rurd2di_>how do you unshare the home directory
06:38<ert34>:-)
06:38<xeon-enouf>dr|z3d: i think i need to start using pass_phrases as passwds :-P
06:38<dr|z3d>!tell Rurd2di_ about ask
06:38<dr|z3d>Ah, a question.
06:38<petemc>Rurd2di_: do the opposite of what you did to share it out in the first place
06:39<xeon-enouf>petemc: haha
06:39*dr|z3d grins.
06:39<Rurd2di_>was auto shared
06:39<petemc>by what?
06:39<ert34>The safe removal thing here is just dismounting the usb stick before unplugging it, isn't it?
06:39<Rurd2di_>by samba
06:39<dr|z3d>ert34: Yes.
06:39<xeon-enouf>ert34: umount, and maybe eject as well
06:40<petemc>Rurd2di_: edit smb.conf then
06:40<ert34>eject for xd/dvds
06:40<ert34>cds*
06:40<Rurd2di_>i dont know what to look for in the config
06:40<xeon-enouf>ert34: the umount command should autosync FSs prior to umounting, in most cases
06:40<Rurd2di_>or i would
06:41<petemc>Rurd2di_: you think it might mention something about home directories?
06:41<Rurd2di_>i have looked
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06:43<xeon-enouf>ert34: not only for cd/dvd trays, but also for letting the system know you are about to remove a removable device - see man sdparm as well :-) (but don't get hung up about it all)
06:43<ert34>Hmm. Device not mounting.
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06:44<ert34>Is myt USB stick again. I am trying to mount it after formating it as an ext2 FS.
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06:44<dr|z3d>ert34: Can you mount it with gparted?
06:45<xeon-enouf>shit shit shit ,,, this is no longer funny ...
06:45<xeon-enouf>:-P
06:45<ert34>I am trying to find that option.
06:45<xeon-enouf>dr|z3d: i think my best bet is to wait a day or two - it should all come back to me then ;-) (i hope!)
06:46<Txt_file>I have a problem with hardware accel at my ati RV350 gpu. I installed debian squeeze yesterday and updated to sid. But I only get 'direct rendering: Yes | OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer' with 'glxinfo |grep rend'. xorg.conf: http://paste.debian.net/47227 & X.log: http://paste.debian.net/47228
06:46<xeon-enouf>!radeon vs radeonhd
06:46<dpkg>The <radeon> project started under a non-disclosure agreement with ATI to develop <free software> drivers for Radeon graphics cards. In 2007, after ATI released its documentation, a second project, <radeonhd>, was started from scratch with a focus on newer hardware. Differences and similarities can be found at: http://x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature and http://x.org/wiki/radeon#head-7b2a81f777639f8e12c9ac08a1e31d4c4bee9ef5
06:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 382] by debhelper
06:47<dr|z3d>xeon-enouf: Yeah, if you're lucky. Hope your digital memory returns (ie my fingers type my password without my brain thinking) ;)
06:47<xeon-enouf>Txt_file: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log | egrep 'radeon|fglrx'
06:47<dr|z3d>I can't remember passwords, pins, etc, until I'm in the context that I need to use them.
06:48<xeon-enouf>dr|z3d: that's my prob - mine does too .. it's like i have stage fright right now :-P
06:48<xeon-enouf>right!
06:48<xeon-enouf>dr|z3d: i don't _need_ them at the moment, just wanted to perhaps use them :-)
06:50<themill>xeon-enouf: /msg dpkg ifrp
06:50<xeon-enouf>themill: heh - right .. i almost forgot about that too! ;-)
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06:50<ert34>Let me try reformat it.
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06:50*themill offers xeon-enouf a marker pen to write the password on his forehead next time
06:51<xeon-enouf>themill: actually nah, that i can recall - no need for factoid for me - just not wanting to reboot atm ;-)
06:51<xeon-enouf>!sharpiesmite me
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06:52<themill>xeon-enouf: do you have sudo set up with ALL=(ALL) ALL?
06:52<xeon-enouf>themill: yep
06:52<themill>xeon-enouf: "sudo passwd" then
06:52<Txt-file1>"grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |egrep 'radeon|fglrx'" says "(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon_drv.so"
06:53<xeon-enouf>themill: ahh .. right!
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06:54<xeon-enouf>themill: done! thanks ... but ... hahahaha @ijust found where i had written down the original passwds O_o
06:54<ert34>Does matters if my USB stick is etx3 or ext2 to be readable on debian?
06:54<themill>heh
06:55<xeon-enouf>themill: now i have to overwrite those!
06:55<Txt-file1>ert34: no
06:55<Tuplad>I can't boot up anymore :o I get the grub rescue mode automatically, but I'm clueless about the commands there, tried Googling but can't find anything. The only error message grub rescue mode gives is "file not found" Any ideas ?
06:55*xeon-enouf changes them back ... lmao
06:55<ert34>ok, now I am trying the verification utility in gparted
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06:55<jm_>Tuplad: what is grub rescue mode?
06:56<dr|z3d>Tuplad: You might find supergrub boot disk helpful.
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06:56<Txt-file1>Tuplad: sounds like you need to rewrite the grub-conf
06:56<dr|z3d>Tuplad: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/
06:56<Tuplad>I cant execute ANY command, the only cmds that I've found to be working are "ls" and "set prefix=" but they're not very helpful
06:57<Tuplad>jm_: I've never seen it myself, but it's a little shell loading right after grub and giving the "cant find file" error.
06:57<ert34>Does matter the partition table type?
06:58<Txt-file1>ert34: msdos is the best choice
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06:58<jm_>Tuplad: so it's grub prompt
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06:59<Tuplad>jm_: looks like it
06:59<ert34>ok
06:59<jm_>Tuplad: it probably hasn't loaded any modules if it's grub 2
06:59<Tuplad>jm_: but it clearly states "GRUB Rescue Mode"
06:59<Tuplad>jm_: have been updating GRUB lately and having problems with it ever since
06:59<jm_>Tuplad: ahh could be, I never paid attention to what it says, I'll admit to that
06:59<jm_>Tuplad: ok, that must be it then - grub-pc package?
06:59<Tuplad>jm_: was toying around with grub.cfg to add windows in it because the update wiped it
06:59<Tuplad>jm_: correct
07:00<dr|z3d>Tuplad: Supergrub. Give that a go.
07:00<Tuplad>dr|z3d: roger thqt
07:00<Tuplad>that*
07:00<jm_>Tuplad: this was a known problem a while ago, but it was fixed later one - users with affecte versions needed to reinstall it
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07:01<xeon-enouf>Txt-file1: ok, so you are/were using radeon_drv.so .. does that support your card chip fully the way you think it should?
07:01<dr|z3d>It might help, might not. If it doesn't, we can think of some other things to play with.
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07:02<Txt-file1>xeon-enouf: I'm pretty shure that this card is fully supported
07:02<xeon-enouf>Tuplad: grub.cfg is grub-pc (grub2)
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07:03<xeon-enouf>Txt-file1: ok - maybe try in #radeon on freenode.net - i really don't know how to help
07:03<jm_>Tuplad: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=540125
07:03<jm_>Tuplad: ahh it looks to be a different error for you
07:03<xeon-enouf>Txt-file1: hrm; man radeon -> RV350 Radeon 9600PRO/9600SE/9600/9550, M10/M11, FireGL T2
07:03<ert34>Oh, I just missed the ejection to unplug and plug the USB stick. Now it's mounted.
07:03<jm_>but many people have the same problem now
07:04<ert34>eject command
07:04<xeon-enouf>Txt-file1: and since you chose sid, see the BTS
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07:05<xeon-enouf>Txt-file1: might want to subscribe to the debian-x mailing list too
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07:05<Txt-file1>kk .. i take a look at this two places
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07:05<xeon-enouf>and /msg dpkg sid ;-)
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07:06<fgh>i want to reply to this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=546714 should i paste the output of the command in the email or should i add a pastebin-link?
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07:06<valdyn>fgh: you should paste the output into the mail
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07:07<fgh>oki
07:08<ert34>I can write in inside the USB stick, how can I do it?
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07:08<ert34>cant
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07:08*xeon-enouf is like an eclectic collection of all three stooges .. rolled into one :-P
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07:09<xeon-enouf>ert34: did you mkfs on it yet?
07:09<xeon-enouf>which FSType?
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07:09<ert34>FS ext3
07:10<ert34>I don't know what is mkfs
07:10<jm_>chown/chmod mount point, or mount it as user
07:10<ert34>I've used gparted for all.
07:10<ert34>ok
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07:12<piter>hi
07:12<piter>e dicho HI
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07:12<piter>algun mongolo
07:13<dr|z3d>!es
07:13<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:13<piter>z3d u are stupid?
07:13<pfix>xeon-enouf: do you think a broken initrd could cause my problem, that only sometimes the boot process on Lenny hangs at "Loading kernel modules ..."?
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07:14<Darkedge>...
07:15<themill>simonrvn: only 45minutes, it seems.
07:15<Darkedge>Anyone alive?
07:15<themill>dpkg: tell Darkedge about enter
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07:15<pfix>dpkg: tell pfix about enter
07:16*jm_ waits for more tell commands
07:16<pfix>!ask
07:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
07:16<pfix>:P
07:16<noflash>pfix, please /msg the bot
07:17<pfix>noflash: what you did not get wrong the situation is, that the output of "ask" was more useful for Darkedge than "enter"
07:17<pfix>get wrong/get from
07:17<noflash>pfix, he's been here before
07:17<themill>pfix: there's some history that you don't know.
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07:18<pfix>so we better send him to read the entire database of the bot :P
07:19<Darkedge>I want to replace GNOME with xfrce
07:19<Darkedge>What command do I use?
07:19<themill>Darkedge: /msg dpkg install xfce
07:19<pfix>Darkedge: apt-get remove gnome && apt-get install xfce
07:20<Darkedge>errr thx
07:20<themill>pfix: you might want to check that works....
07:20<simonrvn>themill: so it would seem
07:20<pfix>i dont see why it should not work, since developers use puiparts to test their packages
07:20<jm_>Darkedge: ideally gdm would give you an option to select xfce at login, does it do that?
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07:21<themill>pfix: have a look at the output of "apt-cache show xfce"
07:21<simonrvn>xfce not xfrce
07:21<simonrvn>W: Unable to locate package xfce
07:21<pfix>yeah, "xfce4" then and not "xfce"
07:22<dr|z3d>Darkedge: Didn't we just go here? aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies
07:22<pfix>i never used xfce myself
07:22<jm_>maybe he has it installed but it's just not started by gdm for him
07:22<Tuplad>hmmm, isn't there an alternative to supergrubdisk ? I don't have any disks whatsoever ;/ cant the debian installation cd solve anything ?
07:22<jm_>so either see if gdm lets you select it or make it the default session manager
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07:22<jm_>Tuplad: sure it can -- /msg dpkg fixmbr
07:22<pfix>jm_: he would ask a different question then i assume
07:23<jm_>pfix: you are assuming way too much here
07:23<pfix>maybe
07:23<pfix>but i dont judge other people when i try to use intuition
07:23<ert34>OMG, at least
07:24<jm_>this has got nothing to do with judging
07:24<ert34>jm_, thanks. I can write, read and execute.
07:24<ert34>USB stick functional now.
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07:24<pfix>jm_: when you dont know me but speak to me like you are able to influence my being, then its about judging people
07:24<jm_>ert34: the problem if not mounted as user is you will have to repeat this each time
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07:25<xeon-enouf>pfix: ?
07:26<Tuplad>jm_: thanks ;)
07:26<ert34>I mounted unomunterd it but I keep being able to write, read and execute.
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07:26<pfix>xeon-enouf: sorry for picking you earlier, but you seem very knowledgeable :P
07:27<xeon-enouf>pfix: i can't even remember my own passwd :-P
07:27<pfix>hahah
07:27<jm_>that's qot material
07:27<ert34>jm_, you mean, if I play with this stick in another machine?
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07:28<pfix>"i wanna play with my stick in your machine" is also a nice quote
07:28<pfix>no, hang on. ignore that please
07:28<ert34>:D
07:28<jm_>ert34: naah, you'll understand it if you see it
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07:30<jm_>I shall try to find a decent SMB browser that doesn't need KDE/GNOME instead of wasting time with pysol again
07:30<petemc>buy a mac!
07:30<jackyf>jmarsden: smbnetfs?
07:31<jackyf>oh
07:31<jackyf>wrong nick
07:31<jackyf>jm_: ^^
07:31<jm_>jackyf: added to the list, thank you
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07:35<jm_>this looks promising, one can specify different user/password for different hosts
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08:01<Barami>Hello :)
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08:08<ert34>I did aptitude install xfce and xfce-goodies but I keep using gnome.
08:09<ert34>dpkg you are fake
08:09<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
08:09<petemc>ert34: do you get a choice of sessions in gdm?
08:09<ert34>no
08:10<petemc>oh, you should
08:10<petemc>what options do you get?
08:10<Barami>ert34, You should choose session in gdm login screen..
08:10<ert34>lets try
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08:11<petemc>so i guess no meant "i dont know what you mean"
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08:15<dr|z3d>petemc: In essence. Or, "it didn't flash Xfce in big letters so it can't be there"
08:16<petemc>yup :)
08:16<jm_>why do so many people have trouble finding that session menu in gdm?
08:17<dr|z3d>jm_: Because they're not looking for it. They assume, install new DE, new DE becomes default, I guess.
08:17<jm_>dr|z3d: yeah but they never find it even when I tell them to look for it
08:18<dr|z3d>And "session" isn't necessarily the best indicator of different DE's.
08:18<dr|z3d>jm_: Remember, until you click a username in gdm, those menus aren't visible, at least lately.
08:18<dr|z3d>Depends on the gdm theme, I guess.
08:19<jm_>dr|z3d: well of course, but it just shows how scared they are of exploring stuff
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08:20<dr|z3d>Sadly, true.
08:20<jm_>I wonder why, maybe because gnome is so fragile
08:20<dr|z3d>The same people that have issues using google to help find solutions.
08:21<dr|z3d>Some people expect to be spoonfed, which is annoying.
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08:23<ert34>I hate this.
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08:24<dr|z3d>ert34: Leave your angst at the door. How can we help?
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08:25<ert34>Sorry.
08:25<dr|z3d>ert34: Did you manage to select and boot into Xfce?
08:26<ert34>I did the gdm preference only.
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08:26<ert34>The start session thing.
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08:26<dr|z3d>You did the gdm preference? You mean yo selected Xfce, and successfully booted into it?
08:26<ert34>Yes.
08:26<dr|z3d>Ok. So, what's the issue now?
08:27<ert34>I need make this usable for my 10 inch monitor.
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08:27<dr|z3d>ert34: Shouldn't be too difficult.
08:28<dr|z3d>You'll probably want to consolidate your panels, and just have 1.
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08:28<dr|z3d>Also, iconbox is better than task display for a small screen.
08:28<dr|z3d>(That's an Xfce panel applet)
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08:29*ert34 finding it
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08:34<Tuplad>omg! this is getting on my nerves!
08:35<jm_>Tuplad: #debian? stop joining then!
08:35<Tuplad>jm_: no no
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08:39<ert34>The font values are pretty hidden
08:39<dr|z3d>ert34: Not really. Settings -> Appearance.
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08:40<ert34>:-)
08:41<Tuplad>so, a couple of days ago I took 20gb from a ntfs partition to add it to my linux partition. my ntfs started acting up and I couldn't recognize the partition in windows, in #debian they suggested to use testdisk to revert the changes gparted did. I did, so today I boot up and my grub is dead, I fixed my grub with the debian installation cd... now my 70gb linux partition is "greyed out" in gparted, it has no filesystem on it, it just empty space O_O
08:42<jm_>Tuplad: how about fdisk?
08:42<jm_>Tuplad: and also check /proc/partitions
08:42<Tuplad>jm_: fdisk looks fine imo
08:43<Tuplad>jm_: http://pastebin.ca/1575174
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08:43<ert34>so how do I uninstall all gnome unecessary things now? to play the performance challenge xfce gnome in the right way
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08:44<jm_>Tuplad: there's a big gap from 20000-29000
08:44<dr|z3d>ert34: I'd recommend you use Synaptic, and see what you can lose.
08:44<jm_>!remove gnome
08:44<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 2.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 1.x, use aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or use purge accordingly).
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08:44<icebrain>Hi! I have "blacklist ssb" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf, why does it get loaded anyway?
08:45<Tuplad>jm_: hmm, what'd that mean ?
08:45<jm_>icebrain: because this is not the right way to blacklist modules
08:45<ert34>I will purge. No patience.
08:45<Tuplad>jm_: after I fixed grub and loaded in linux, I had a massive fsck to do, like, it took me so long that I just took a heavy object and put it on "y"
08:45<jm_>Tuplad: I think it suggests that space is still not assigned to any partition
08:45<icebrain>jm_: oh. how should I?
08:45<Tuplad>jm_: oh shit... so there's a possibility that I just lost 70gb ? :o
08:46<jm_>!tell icebrain -about blacklist
08:46<jm_>Tuplad: probably not lost, it's just the space you tok from windows that is affected
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08:48<Tuplad>jm_: but it's weird, I took 20-30gb from windows (drive D:, just a partition where I stole a bunch of stuff) and created a new ext3 partition in linux, then when I booted up in windows, I couldn't access the drive D:, so I did the thing with testdisk... I haven't tried booting up in windows yet because grub is scaring me, but if I look at gparted I lost both partitions
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08:49<dr|z3d>Tuplad: Did you try supergrub?
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08:49<jm_>Tuplad: ahh so you didn't resize linux partition, just used it for a new partition - hem then I'd say the way it was created was wrong
08:49<Tuplad>dr|z3d: couldn't find any disk, so I restored grub with debian installation cd :]
08:50<Tuplad>jm_: indeed I didn't resize, I shrinked my ntfs partition and created a new, empty 30gb ext3 partition
08:50<icebrain>jm_: thanks
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08:51<Tuplad>jm_: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1610783/2009-09-22-144925_777x529_scrot.png check it out. I don't even know what sda4 is for :o
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08:51<Tuplad>jm_: oh, we've got one thing out of the way... my storage drive for windows is still there. so now I have to get back my linux storage drive.
08:52<Tuplad>partition rather
08:52<jm_>Tuplad: that one definitely looks wrong, just look at start/end parameters and compare to size
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08:54<Tuplad>jm_: I see where you're going :o
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08:54<Tuplad>jm_: would you recommend following this advice http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1610783/2009-09-22-143747_444x857_scrot.png ?
08:54<Igloo>Hi all
08:55<Igloo>Does anyone know why a "Radeon HD 3200" would be able to display to a monitor via the HDMI port at the console, but not in X?
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08:56<Igloo>If I run xrandr then the output looks fine to me
08:56*ert34 hopes don't get off the channel because xchat is a gnome thing
08:56<mjt>Igloo: is it the on-mobo rs780g thing?
08:57<Igloo>mjt: How would I tell?
08:57<mjt>you don't know what hardware you have?
08:57<dr|z3d>ert34: Remember, both Gnome and Xfce use Gtk, so you can mix and match apps as you see fit.
08:57<mjt>Igloo: is your video an add-on card or is built-in to the motherboard?
08:57<jm_>Tuplad: actually it's my bad math, the size does look correct
08:57<ert34>nice
08:57<Igloo>mjt: It's built in to the M/B
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08:58<Igloo>mjt: motherboard_manual_ga-ma78gm-s2h_e.pdf is the manual PDF's name, but I can't read it ATM
08:58<Tuplad>jm_: I don't think it's your bad math...
08:58<Tuplad>jm_: it really looks wrong lol.
08:58<mjt>Igloo: so it's your motherboard: ma78gm-s2h
08:58<Tuplad>jm_: just look at my fdisk, http://pastebin.ca/1575174
08:58<mjt>Igloo: so it's indeed amd870g
08:58<jm_>Tuplad: no, I checked it against other partitions and it matches up
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08:58<mjt>Igloo: er, 780g, not 870g
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08:58<Tuplad>jm_: look at the sda1 sda2 and sda5
08:59<jm_>Tuplad: yeah I am basing my calculations on that paste
08:59<Igloo>mjt: OK, so what does that mean?
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08:59<ert34>Do people really uses those 4 desktops? I never really used more than one.
08:59<Tuplad>jm_: sda2 and sda5 are beginning at the same block
08:59<mjt>Igloo: and yes, it works for me. I've a monitor connected over hdmi @home
08:59<jm_>Tuplad: that's OK, sda2 is extended partition
08:59<mjt>Igloo: but i'm using more recent versions of X and driver (radeon) than the ones in lenny.
08:59<Tuplad>jm_: oh, alright
09:00<Tuplad>jm_: I'm really a noob at this, is there any chance of you walking me through this for a bit ? :p
09:00<Igloo>mjt: Ah, upgrading them was going to be my next step, but that wanted to pull in a load of other stuff, so I thought I'd check here first
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09:00<jm_>Tuplad: not now, I will have to go soon
09:00<Igloo>mjt: Did you upgrade in order to fix this problem, or had you just upgraded anyway?
09:00<Tuplad>jm_: alright
09:01<Tuplad>jm_: what's the diagnose ?
09:01<makkan>I've got a CF>IDE bridge and a CF-card with a very bare debian system. However to reduce disk writes I wonder if there is a way to make the whole system read-only? My thought is that I have an image file where I do my maintenance via QEMU and when I'm done I make the system read-only and copy that image onto the cf-card. Is this possible? Is it a good idea? if not what would you recommend?
09:01<jm_>Tuplad: the only problem I found so far is unused space, nothing else
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09:01<jm_>makkan: just use one of the read only file systems
09:01<Tuplad>jm_: hm... but it can't be unused because there's information on it, right ? it has to be tagged wrong somehow ?
09:01<jm_>Tuplad: how do you know there is?
09:02<Barami>I confused.. @_@
09:02<jm_>Tuplad: do you have partition table as it was before?
09:02<Tuplad>jm_: because that used to be partition I stored my music on
09:02<Tuplad>jm_: no
09:02<xeon-enouf>makkan: if ext3, use noatime/relatime mount option, otherwise use a live-version of debian, so you have COW ability
09:03<makkan>jm_: you mean like cloop?
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09:04<jm_>makkan: I think lwn had some articles about read only file systems, try that
09:04<Igloo>mjt: Aha, that seems to have done the trick, thanks!
09:04<makkan>xeon-enouf: already done that but I get alot of DriveReady SeekComplete errors, so I thought I might go read-only. BTW what do you mean COW-ability?
09:04<Igloo>Although it now thinks alt is alt rather than meta, so I'll have to update all my sawfish bindings :-)
09:04<xeon-enouf>makkan: aufs/unionfs
09:05<jm_>makkan: copy on write
09:05<xeon-enouf>indeed
09:05<jm_>yeah lwn had articles about union stuff too
09:06<uldics>Is there a clean way to install 3D acceleration with ATI/AMD graphics card and not have to reinstall/recompile at every kernel upgrade? I have Squeeze now.
09:06<xeon-enouf>makkan: cloop is one of the first CoW to be used, so yeah.. but there's others
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09:09<makkan>xeon-enouf & jm_ thanks.. I'll have a look at that
09:09<jm_>uldics: I think kernel-package replacement is supposed to address this
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09:10<ce_ct>sagvhxgsdgb
09:10<dr|z3d>ce_ct: We can see you. Well done!
09:11<xeon-enouf>uldics: using fglrx? likely not .. though jm_ might know something ... otherwise, just use radeon/radeonhd ;-)
09:12<dr|z3d>uldics: EnvyNG might help, also.
09:12<jm_>makkan: if you don't need write ability then there are proper read-only file systems too
09:12<Tuplad>jm_: so what you think, if I had space on that partition and now it's marked as "unallocated space", is it lost or is there a chance to get it back ?
09:12<jm_>Tuplad: the data is probably still there if you get partiton table back to what it looked like before changing it
09:13<Tuplad>jm_: could you give me a sketch of how that has to happen ?
09:14<makkan>jm_: well I don't really know what I need so far, I have to read some more I think.
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09:17<jm_>Tuplad: sorry I really have to run now, need to pick up my car
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09:39<Cab>Hello, I got a problem with sshfs "fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory". Module is fuse loaded. Any help?
09:40<OdyX>Cab: check your groups
09:41<Guest3302>I have problem with start mysql. Log http://pastebin.com/m104af8b
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09:41<Cab><OdyX> Cab: check your groups
09:41<Cab>ops
09:41<Cab>I am using root user for testing
09:41<Cab>Does it still matter?
09:42<OdyX>Cab: is /dev/fuse present ???
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09:42<Cab>no
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09:42<OdyX>sorrz, have to logout, I have a b0rken kezboard
09:42<OdyX>back soon
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09:43<Cab># ls /dev/fuse
09:43<Cab>ls: /dev/fuse: Arquivo ou diret�rio n�o encontrado (file not found)
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09:45<Guest3302>I have problem with start mysql. Log http://pastebin.com/m104af8b
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09:52<OdyX>Cab: lsmod | grep fuse ?
09:52<uldics>So, if I install radeonhd, 3d will work as good as fglrx (compiz-fusion and so on) without any compilations, scriptings and so on after each kernel upgrade. Now I'm using fglrx installed from downloaded .sh script. Just got a bit tired of each time kernel upgrades, I lose my desktop for a while, till I get it back.
09:52<jeff_hann>Guest3302: well, check if /etc/mysql/debian.cnf exists
09:53<Cab>fuse 39828 0
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09:55<Guest3302>jeff_hann: http://pastebin.com/m76b565a8 now
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09:56<jeff_hann>Guest3302: try (as root) /etc/init.d/mysqld start
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09:57<Cab>I have this in my fstab sshfs#root@xxx:/smb/ordernumbers /mnt/ordernumbers fuse port=xxx,user 0 0
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09:57<Guest3302>jeff_hann: /etc/init.d/mysqld not found
09:58<Guest3302>i start mysql with /etc/init.d/mysql start
09:58<Cab>got fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory
09:58<Cab> after mount -a
09:58<jeff_hann>Guest3302: try 'whereis mysqld'
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10:00<jeff_hann>Guest3302: it's in /usr/sbin/
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10:02<Neosano>hello guys
10:02<Neosano>:]
10:02<jeff_hann>Guest3302: try making mysql start from a utility such as sysv-rc-conf
10:02<jeff_hann>brb
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10:07<Stuckey>Anyone know why I'm getting this error when I try to build a package from svn with pdebuild? CMake Error: The source directory "/tmp/buildd/spring-0.80.4" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt.
10:07<Stuckey>Someone else was able to build this package with svn-buildpackage and cowbuilder. When I try it with pdebuild I get the above error.
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10:20<Neosano>Hello guys, I'm trying to make an alarm clock out of my laptop. I have debian installed. It should go out of suspend(or hibernation) and play some music
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10:21<Neosano>In windows xp it works well(but I'm not using it - so screw it)
10:21<Neosano>I've tried nvram but it doesn't work (nor I'm a total noob)
10:22<Neosano>There's no any options about it in bios :\
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10:23<seanius>Neosano: what packages have you tried?
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10:24<Neosano>seanius, as I said - nvram
10:24<Neosano>or something like that
10:24<seanius>Neosano: there's a few different tools, you could try "apt-cache search nvram" and try whichever ones you haven't tried yet
10:25<Neosano>Okay
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10:25<seanius>shutdown-at-night sounds a little promising :)
10:25<Neosano>seanius, oh yea, I'm sorry, I tried nvram-wakeup
10:25<Neosano>I don't need my computer to shut down
10:26<Neosano>I want to make it wake up from hibernation or suspend
10:26<Neosano>OH SORRY
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10:26<Neosano>"and wake up in morning" :)
10:26<Neosano>Sorry :D
10:26<Neosano>I'll try it now
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10:27<OdyX>Neosano: shutdown-at-night uses nvram-wakeup…
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10:27<OdyX>so make your nvram-wakeup setup work first :p
10:27<Neosano>OdyX, err :]
10:28<Neosano>doesn't sound good.. so it means that nvram-wakeup is the only chance?
10:28<Neosano>Ill search some help in google about it now
10:29<Neosano>what is MythTV btw?
10:29<OdyX>!mythtv
10:29<dpkg>MythTV is software to turn a Linux box into a complete multi-media entertainment recording and playback center supporting - given the right hardware - TV, movies, music, and more. Not in Debian due to <non-free> parts. Unofficial packages can be found in <debian-multimedia>. For tuner card drivers, ask me about <bttv> and <ivtv>. http://www.mythtv.org/ #mythtv-users on irc.freenode.net.
10:30<Neosano>ok, some random useless shit :)
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10:34<Neosano>lilu:/home/alex# nvram-wakeup
10:34<Neosano>nvram-wakeup: Your mainboard is currently not supported.
10:34<Neosano>nvram-wakeup: Please try determining the addresses and sending the follo
10:34<Neosano>wing
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10:35<Neosano>err
10:35<Neosano>Bot :E
10:35<Neosano>So what can I do?
10:35<cyres>re
10:36<Neosano>It says that it is not supported :(
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10:36<OdyX>Neosano: explore the wake-on-lan idea maybe
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10:37<Neosano>OdyX, nope, wake on lan is something wrong
10:37<Neosano>As I said wake up works in windows
10:38<OdyX>Neosano: then hack nvram-wakeup 'till it works…
10:38<Neosano>OdyX, but isn't it pretty complicated?
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10:38<Neosano>If I understand you correctly
10:38<OdyX>Neosano: might be…
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10:41<Neosano>OdyX, any chance to do it without spending days on this?
10:41<OdyX>Neosano: I don't know. Check upstream documentation / website
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10:41<OdyX>Neosano: IMHO, it might be complicated because it is pretty much hardware-specific…
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10:41<OdyX>and Windows versions are customized for those laptops…
10:42<Neosano>?...
10:42<Neosano>Why can't linux be customized for them :((((
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10:43<dr|z3d>Neosano: What hardware have you got?
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10:44<bombadil_>i am running Debian Lenny with kernel 2.6.31 on an Asus eee 1005HA. my xorg.conf has nothing listed under "device" and glxinfo lists direct rendering as "no"
10:44<bombadil_>how can i confiure xorg.conf to activate direct rendering. is it necessary to install drivers for my graphics chipset? i am pretty sure i compiled them into the kernel
10:44<Neosano>dr|z3d here http://www.ciao.co.uk/Fujitsu_Siemens_AMILO_K_7600_Athlon_XP_M_2800_2_13_GHz_15_TFT__6850954
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10:44<Neosano>dr|z3d there's some info, scroll down :)
10:45<dr|z3d>Neosano: Ok. And what issues are you having?
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10:46<Neosano>dr|z3d I want to make my laptop wake up at the morning
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10:46<Neosano>dr|z3d it's easy in Windows, there are tools like intelligent wake up
10:46<dr|z3d>Neosano: You want an alarm device, or just the laptop coming out of standy?
10:46<Neosano>dr|z3d both
10:46<dr|z3d>Neosano: Saying it's easy in Windows tells us nothing. :)
10:47<Neosano>dr|z3d just wanna tell you that it is possible on my laptop
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10:48<bombadil_>how can i check to see if my graphics chipset drivers are installed?
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10:48<bombadil_>and if so, how can i configure xorg.conf so that direct rendering will be enabled?
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10:48<dr|z3d>Neosano: Do some googling on "Magic Packet WoL"
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10:49<dr|z3d>Might be a tool you can find for Debian.
10:49<OdyX>dr|z3d: he does not want to play with WoL…
10:50*dr|z3d shrugs.
10:50<OdyX>(and unless you can have a ethernet slow enough to send the magic WoL packet in the evening and get it back in the morning…
10:50<OdyX>dr|z3d: and you need two machines for that…
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10:53<cahoot>the bios doesn't offer a wakeup option?
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10:56<Kostik>Just ungraded from Etch to Lenny and cannot boot! "Gave up waiting for root device...Dropping to a shell". Here in a shell I see my root device, but can't mount it unless I manually do "modprobe ext3"! Can somebody help? I've shot our server :(
10:57<dr|z3d>Kostik: You might try a bootdelay of say 10 seconds. Sometimes helps.
10:57<dr|z3d>Someone else will give you the grub syntax.. don't recall offhand exactly what it is.
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10:58<InkBottle>Hi, On one computer, I've got gam_server using constantly all the cpu; though on another with the same kind of configuration, it is not listed by top. So something is going wrong on one of them, could be gamin not using inotify (only fancying). What kind of test could i perform (about the issue I can trigger it whenever I want)
10:59<Kostik>dr: the delay isn't a problem since when dropped to a shell I either can't mount root. Only after I do manually load "ext3" module. Why isn't it loading in auto?
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11:00<dr|z3d>Kostik: Good question. That's odd.
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11:02<heartbeats>hi
11:02<heartbeats>i want to install IDLE for python 3.1.1
11:03<Kostik>dr: so, there is a problem of not loading ext3 module, what further investigation could be?
11:03<heartbeats>kostik
11:03<dr|z3d>Kostik: I'd still say try the bootdelay option.
11:03<heartbeats>check it out the fstab
11:03<Neosano>cahoot, bios doesn't offer a wakeup option
11:03<dr|z3d>It might seem like the wrong angle, but you never know.
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11:04<heartbeats>i want to install IDLE for python 3.1.1
11:04<Kostik>dr: how many time you think would be suffucient?
11:04<dr|z3d>Kostik: 10 seconds should be.
11:04<Kostik>heartbeats, do you think fstab related to kernel module not being loaded?
11:05<dr|z3d>I think the syntax is "rootdelay=10"
11:05<dr|z3d>Append that to your grub boot string.
11:05<heartbeats>ok
11:05<heartbeats>is it booting the system ..
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11:06<heartbeats>i want to install IDLE for python 3.1.1 any body can tell me how?
11:06<Kostik>dr|z3d, ok, I'll try now. But it seem actually to already be more. Moreover I can see root drive and its partitions discovered before it starts wating for the root. Anyways, I'll try...
11:06<Kostik>heartbeats, yes
11:06<Kostik>heartbeats, during boot
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11:07<heartbeats>tell me the details is it load grub
11:07<heartbeats>?
11:07<Kostik>heartbeats, moment please...
11:07<heartbeats>k
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11:08<Kostik>heartbeats, Just ungraded from Etch to Lenny and cannot boot! "Gave up waiting for root device...Dropping to a shell". Here in a shell I see my root device, but can't mount it unless I manually do "modprobe ext3"!
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11:09<heartbeats>check it out is it working
11:09<Kostik>dr|z3d, with rootdelay=10 still no luck
11:09<dr|z3d>Kostik: Ok, worth a try. :/
11:09<heartbeats>errors=remount-ro
11:09<dr|z3d>Kostik: Um, try 30?
11:10<dr|z3d>Or maybe heartbeats has some better ideas.
11:10<Kostik>dr|z3d, moment...
11:10<heartbeats>check it out
11:10<heartbeats>iam only a biginer
11:11<Kostik>heartbeats, what should I check?
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11:11<heartbeats>check it out the boot time delay
11:12<Bunnyh>isn't the rootdelay option a bit silly, when you also have rootwait (which waits as long as it has to)?
11:12<heartbeats>thatys rootdelay
11:12<heartbeats>i want to install IDLE for python 3.1.1 any body can tell me how?
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11:12<dr|z3d>heartbeats: apt-cache search idle ?
11:12<dr|z3d>Any results there?
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11:15<heartbeats>but only older version such as 2.5
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11:16<dr|z3d>heartbeats: So, find a repository offering a new version, or download the .deb or tar.gz file from the site?
11:16<heartbeats>i downloaded when i install using dpkg -i idle3_3.1-1_all.deb
11:16<heartbeats>its shows erroe
11:17<heartbeats>Errors were encountered while processing:
11:17<heartbeats> idle-python3.1
11:17<dr|z3d>Dependency issues?
11:18<heartbeats>yes dependency issue
11:18<dr|z3d>You might find you need to update Debian to run the newer version. What Debian version are you running?
11:20<linXea>hm, how do I start googleearth after installed it through apt-get ? Using openbox so no regular menu...
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11:20<heartbeats>how can i khow the version of debain
11:20<daniela>daniela
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11:20<daniela>Daniela
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11:24<Kostik>dr|z3d, with rootdelay=30 same result
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11:25<Kostik>dr|z3d, the problem seem to be in initrd, because I didn't removed the kernel I've booted from before update (2.6.26-2-bpo) and it doesn't boot the same way
11:25<Kostik>dr|z3d, with rootdelay=30 same result
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11:26<dr|z3d>Kostik: Ok. Can you boot into an older kernel?
11:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 400] by debhelper
11:27<dr|z3d>Any remaining in your grub menu?
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11:29<Kostik>dr|z3d, no, I can't, same result. I've just noticed that there is initrd*.bak files. Now trying to boot from bpo kernel with .bak initrd...
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11:30<dr|z3d>Kostik: Sounds like a good way to go.. if you can boot an older kernel, you might be able to rescure your system.
11:30<Kostik>dr|z3d, I have some other kernel which booted normaly before uptade and none of them boot now
11:30<Neosano>OH! Btw, how to enable my fn+f3/f4 buttons (sound options) on my keyboard
11:30<Neosano>they were working in gnome, but in kde :(
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11:32<heartbeats>ineed
11:32<heartbeats>idle for python 3.1
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11:33<technick>quick question maybe someone can help, google is not, i get this error on every boot PNP 00:09 can't add resource for io 0x5100-0x51fe , any idea what that may mean?
11:33<dr|z3d>heartbeats: You might find you need to update Debian to run the newer version. What Debian version are you running?
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11:36<Kostik>dr|z3d, no luck with .bak initrd
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11:38<Kostik>Need expert to fix "ext3" module not being loaded automatically during boot to mount root fs. Manual "modprobe ext3; mount ..." Works. Need Help!
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11:38<cahoot>this is grub and not grub2?
11:39<Kostik>yes
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11:41<qman4life>does anyone know where i can get a download accelerator app for linux?
11:41<qman4life>or for limewire..?
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11:43<sney>I learned yesterday that there's a firefox/iceweasel plugin called downthemall that is a download accelerator. so there you go, qman4life
11:44<sney>limewire you're on your own, but I recommend using "aptitude search"
11:44<Flexy>showkeys and xev show the same keycode for two different keyboard buttons. How can I fix this?
11:45<sney>get a new keyboard?
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11:46<Flexy>sney: it's a laptop
11:46<sney>hrm
11:46<Flexy>new laptop
11:47<sney>what are the 2 keys
11:47<Flexy>the one right from left shift and the one left from return. both spewing out ' without shift and * with shift
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11:48<cahoot>right-left confusion?
11:48<Flexy>so, I'm missing pipe, and smaller than, larger than symbols
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11:49<Flexy>cahoot: both give same keycode in xev and showkeys (in console)
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11:49<FedeFrede>hello, can someone here please help me out with a lill linux problem ?
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11:50<cahoot>Flexy: keycode 51 or 94? or what?
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11:50<Flexy>51
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11:52<Flexy>cahoot: http://pastie.org/626084
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11:52<kubu>Hi, pals. I am having trouble with Amarok. I can't play it at all. plz help. I run Amarok 2.1.1
11:52<Flexy>cahoot: I see difference in root:(here,here)
11:53<Flexy>cahoot: but I have no idea if that means anything or how to fix this
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11:53<FedeFrede>download xmms and smplayer :D
11:55<cahoot>xmms is dead - no?
11:55<Flexy>cahoot: nope, that root(x,y) was just coordinates of the cursor... :/
11:56<kubu>FedeFrede: but I wanted to use Amarok
11:56<cahoot>Flexy: only linux on the system ?
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11:56*lupine_85 yays at the prospect of building a debian package
11:57<Flexy>cahoot: hmmm. I might have dual boot on this. If XP is alive...
11:57<FedeFrede>oh :) well im a linux newbie too, but if you run it in console.... what does it say ?
11:57<Barami>kubu, The other players are output sound?
11:57<FedeFrede>oh it starts ;
11:57<dr|z3d>kubu: Using Gnome?
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11:58<kubu>nop, i use kde 4.3.1
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11:58<Flexy>cahoot: is showkeys as low level as it can be? I mean that does showkeys tell me the keycodes as kernel sees them?
11:58<Barami>Check other audio programs.
11:58<Kostik>Need expert to fix "ext3" module not being loaded automatically during boot to mount root fs. Manual "modprobe ext3; mount ..." Works. Need Help!
11:59<kubu>Barami: like what ..
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11:59<cahoot>Flexy: you test showkeys with no X/*dm running at all?
11:59<petemc>Kostik: using your own kernel?
11:59<Flexy>cahoot: X was running, I just exited it with ctrl+alt+F1
12:00<Kostik>petemc, Debian Lenny stoke kernel 2.6.26-2-686
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12:00<petemc>Kostik: did you mess the initrd or anything like that?
12:00<petemc>+with
12:00<Flexy>cahoot: should I test with booting to single mode?
12:00<cahoot>Flexy: this is pure speculation from me - see what happens if you start in console
12:01<Flexy>cahoot: or is it enough to just exit X, stop gdm?
12:01<cahoot>no rational idea
12:01<Barami>If All programs can't play sound -> System problem, Only amarok -> It's amarok problem..
12:02<Flexy>ok, I'll boot to single.
12:02<Kostik>petemc, no. I was on Etch, we've moved to a new hardware, so I had to install 2.6.26 from bpo. Then I updated system to Lenny, installed same version 2.6.26 from Lenny and neither of them boot now.
12:02<petemc>!initrd modules
12:02<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, initrd modules is zcat /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` | cpio -t | grep ko$;
12:02<petemc>Kostik: do that ^^ , and check if you see ext3
12:02<kubu>yes, i know that its only amrok problem. But do you know what things to twik with the phonon things like..
12:02<Barami>You should check cause of problem.
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12:02<Barami>Okay.;
12:03<Kostik>petemc, I didn't got what I should do :/
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12:04<petemc>Kostik: i was telling you to check the contents of your initrd to ensure you had ext3 support
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12:05<Kostik>petemc, more info: during book it complains that the root fs can't be mounted and drops to a shell, when I can't mount root manually until I do "modprobe ext3"
12:05<Kostik>petemc, the module is there
12:06<kubu>Barma: i read the problem with amarok is related with phonen-backend-xine, but still it couldn't work for me.
12:06<Kostik>petemc, when dropped to a shell I can mount my root with the command: "modprobe ext3; mount ..."
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12:07<Kostik>petemc, but just "mount ..." says "no such file or directory" :/ however device file and mountpoint exist
12:07<Barami>Hm... It's awkward..
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12:08<Barami>I don't know phonon in detail.. If you have error messages, I'll find them..
12:09<nano-_>Is it possible to tell reprepro processincoming by config to only allow signed adds?
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12:10<Myon>nano-_: yes, there should be an example in the manpage
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12:10<kubu>Barmi: how do i look into the error...
12:11<nano->Myon: is it the part about UPLOADERS FILES?
12:11<kubu>Barmi:it just display, phonon can't playback during Amarok launch
12:11<Barami>You can run amarok on console..;
12:12<kubu>Barmi: ok, i got you now, you mean to type "amroke" with no option.
12:13<Barami>If amarok have debug or verbose option. you should give option on command..
12:13<nano->Myon: humm.. doesn't seem so?
12:15<kubu>Barmi: ok, i have got the debug now. How do i submit to you.
12:16<Barami>pastebin
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12:16<Barami>http://paste.debian.net/
12:17<kubu>Barmi: let me read that, i am new to this past really.
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12:17<Barami>You can paste content into code form and submit by send..
12:17<kmn>hi, when I execute a program, I get the error: "error while loading shared libraries... cannot open shared object file: so such file/directory"
12:18<kmn>although the file EXISTS in a directory that is included in PATH
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12:18<kmn>what can I do
12:19<dkr>kmn: $PATH is for executables, not shared libraries.
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12:19<kmn>anyway, where do I have to put the library?
12:20<Zathraz>Hi. On Debian Lenny although cfgi is installed I get: /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/rubygems.rb:578:in `report_activate_error': Could not find RubyGem fcgi (>= 0) (Gem::LoadError)
12:20<dkr>well, you shouldn't actually have to install a shared library manually. unless you compiled it yuorself?
12:20<Zathraz>How can I fix this please? (not very familiar with ruby and/or/ rails)
12:21<Barami>kmn, You can indecate library path by LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment value..
12:21<kmn>ok, PATH is not for libraries, I should not install etc.
12:21<kmn>but where can I put the library so that it can be found?
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12:23<kmn>Barami thanx
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12:23<flexy>cahoot: nope, the keyboard behaves the same in Win XP and in single mode. It suggests that this laptop is broken?
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12:24<cahoot>I'd guess so
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12:25<flexy>cahoot: fuck.
12:25<flexy>cahoot: thanks for the help, in any case.
12:26<dr|z3d>flexy: Or, possibly, you've activated some weird key input mode.. I've seen that before.
12:26<dr|z3d>flexy: Not using a Thinkpad, are you?
12:26<flexy>dr|z3d: how? I checked the bios, there nearly nothing to fiddle around with...
12:26<flexy>asus
12:27<flexy>asus x71sl
12:27<dr|z3d>It wouldn't be a bios thing, it would be a hotkey thing I think. At least, in my experience.
12:28<flexy>that's odd. I remind you that it behaved the same in windows xp
12:28<flexy>does that change anythign
12:28<dr|z3d>It is odd, and I am speculating somewhat, but, like I've said, I've seen it happen before, and it transcends individual OS's.
12:29<flexy>oh crap.
12:29<flexy>so, I'll try to mess with the hot/media keys, if that helps
12:29<dr|z3d>Seems to be a hardware thing, activated by a hotkey action.
12:30<sylar>when nautilus mount an smb share, do you know where it put it?
12:30<kubu>Barmi: ok, i have paste it with the name, kubu, plz have a look.
12:30<Barami>Plz link..;
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12:31<kubu>Barmi: check this link http://paste.debian.net/47246/
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12:34<kubu>Barmi: have you got the link.
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12:36<flexy>dr|z3d: I tried with all the fn+ combos, media keys, all. no change. I think I'll be in contact with asus customer service...
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12:37<dr|z3d>flexy: Yeah, good plan. Hope you've got a warranty available :)
12:37<kubu>flexy: could you plz help in solving with amarok not playing
12:38<dr|z3d>kubu: Have you installed the necessary codecs to play your content?
12:38<kubu>dr|z3d: yes, everything
12:39<Barami>kubu, Sorry. I give up .. OTL..
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12:39<dr|z3d>kubu: Ok. Why not try Exaile? Or Songbird? Let's see if those work..
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12:39<kubu>Bormi: its ok
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12:39<Barami>I don't using kde and phonon.. So sorry.;
12:40<Kostik>Need expert to fix "ext3" module not being loaded automatically during boot to mount root fs. Manual "modprobe ext3; mount ..." Works. Need Help!
12:40<kubu>dr|z3d: I have no problem with other player, only with Amarok
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12:40<kubu>dr|z3d: i have pasted the debug, would you mind to have a look
12:43<dr|z3d>kubu: A brief look tells me "QPainter::translate: Painter not active" is probably the issue. What that means you'd have to research further.
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12:45<kubu>dr|z3d: Thanks for pointing that. I have to google then.
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12:45<dr|z3d>Sounds to me like it's Qt related, kubu.
12:46<kubu>dr|z3d: then what should i do with Qt..any hint plz
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12:48<dr|z3d>kubu: Probably upgrade it, but do google the error I mentioned and see if there's info.
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12:49<kubu>dr|z3d: ok, i will do that. thankyou for your time.
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12:59<Turms>i use squeeze, i wished to install the nvidia driver : nvidia-glx but doing so xserver-xorg and many other pkgs are uninstalled, what am i doing wrong?
13:00<jpinx-eeepc>!nvidia
13:00<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>.
13:00<jpinx-eeepc>!nvidia squeeze
13:00<dpkg>non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers.
13:00<jpinx-eeepc>Turms: ^^
13:01<Barami>It's too complex to me..
13:02<Barami>I used to NVIDIA site's installer..
13:02<jpinx-eeepc>Barami: "Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian,
13:02<kop>I always just use the nv driver that's built into Linux.
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13:02<Turms>jpinx-eeepc: thanks!
13:02<kop>(or rather X.org)
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13:03<jpinx-eeepc>Turms: yw
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13:04<junior_>gente essa e minha primeira vez
13:04<jpinx-eeepc>.pt
13:04<jpinx-eeepc>!pt
13:04<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
13:05<junior_>#debian-pt
13:05<junior_>#debian-br
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13:13<Stuckey>How can I tell if a package has recently been changed in sid?
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13:14<ces200>!tr
13:14<dpkg>hmm... tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg
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13:15<Pony>my computer stops right after unpacking the kernel. i tried with linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 and -486 and my own compiled linux-image-2.6.31, the results are identical
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13:17<jpinx-eeepc>Pony: loose RAM ?
13:17<themill>Stuckey: you look at the changelog or package tracking system links from its entry on package.debian.org
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13:17<Pony>jpinx-eeepc: it works fine with my own compile 2.6.22.18
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13:19<Stuckey>There's a package in svn that I built last month, but now it won't build. I get a CMake error about not being able to find a "CMakeLists.txt". I uploaded the package last month after building it locally using pbuilder.
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13:19<cheal>Turms: not much, you're installing a package with a grave bug
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13:29<Kostik>Does anyone knew that the format of /dev/disk/by-id has changed in Lenny??? It was "ata-VENDOR_MODEL-SERIAL" and become "ata-VENDOR_MODEL_SERIAL", difference between MODEL and SERIAL.
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13:36<icebrain>hi, I have a line in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf saying "blacklist ssb" but it loads anyway, why?
13:36<Pony>is something else loading it?
13:36<Pony>maybe initrd?
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13:39<icebrain>maybe, how can I check? I don't see it in man initrd
13:40<Pony>icebrain: unpack it and see
13:40<Pony>icebrain: will you EVER need the module?
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13:40<icebrain>Pony: no
13:41<Pony>icebrain: delete the file in /lib/modules/...
13:41<Pony>and then update-initramfs -k all
13:41<themill>until the next kernel upgrade
13:41<themill>!blacklist-initramfs
13:41<dpkg>If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf
13:42<icebrain>thanks
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13:44<icebrain>I had read !blacklist and I didn't notice the "important" section /facepalm
13:44<Pony>themill: good point
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13:46<LepeR>hello i have a problem i have install my broadcom, it detects networks, but id doesn't connect anything
13:47<cahoot>LepeR: firmware in place?
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13:48<LepeR> BCM4312 low-power variant (14e4:4315)
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13:50<cahoot>LepeR: no low-power LP-PHY devices seems supported by the present kernelmodule b43
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13:50<leejongwook>can anyone help me out please
13:51<LepeR>but it detects networks
13:51<LepeR>:S:S
13:51<leejongwook>i have bad english skill and i need to write a letter, could anyone please check my short letter please ?
13:51<dr|z3d>leejongwook: How does this relate to Debian?
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13:52<dr|z3d>Did you see a sign saying "free English classes" on the door?
13:52*dr|z3d chuckle.s
13:52<leejongwook>:P i'm Debian user, no where to ask
13:52<dr|z3d>Oh, so I'm a Debian user.. can you fix my car?
13:52*dr|z3d laughs.
13:52<leejongwook>this is the only channel i can ask
13:53<LepeR>dr | z3d lol jajaja
13:53<LepeR>wjjajajaaj
13:53<leejongwook>i'm seriously need a help please ?
13:53<leejongwook>7 lines
13:54<leejongwook>or you can say either good or bad to understand my letter
13:55<dr|z3d>leejongwook: Pastebin it. I'm sure someone here needs a laugh.
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13:55<dr|z3d>!pastebin
13:55<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
13:55<leejongwook>http://paste.ubuntu.com/275976/ <-- this is it
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13:56<LepeR>paste ubuntu owowow we are on debian
13:56<dr|z3d>leejongwook: Too long.
13:56<dr|z3d>leejongwook: "I'm a fucktard, please forgive me" works better.
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13:57<themill>*blink*
13:57*dr|z3d winks.
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13:58<leejongwook>thank you :)
13:58<leejongwook>see you all next time :)
13:58<LepeR>see ya leejongwook
13:58<leejongwook>bye :)
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13:59<dr|z3d>Problem sorted. :)
14:00<LepeR>hello i have a problem i have install my broadcom, it detects networks, but id doesn't connect anything
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14:02<Kostik>dr|z3d, still here?
14:02<dr|z3d>Yup, I'm here, Kostik.
14:03<Kostik>dr|z3d, just found out the source of problem
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14:04<dr|z3d>Kostik: Great! Solved the issue then?
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14:05<dli>LepeR, one suggestion, try wicd: apt-get install wicd
14:06<Kostik>dr|z3d, in my fstab root device partitions were listed as /dev/disk/by-id/ata-VENDOR_MODEL-SERIAL-partN. I've discovered that the id of divice changed after upgrade to /dev/disk/by-id/ata-VENDOR_MODEL_SERIAL-partN, fixing fstab fixed the problem, but I'm still can't understand what have happened, I didn't touched fstab and it worked before the updade. Any hints?
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14:07<Kostik>dr|z3d, also fixed grub root=
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14:08<LepeR>thankyou dli
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14:08<dr|z3d>Kostik: I've seen something like that before, and it's a nuisance. Are you able to boot now?
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14:09<Kostik>dr|z3d, yes, the problem is solved. But I'm willing to kick someone ass, just want to discover which :)
14:10<Kostik>dr|z3d, Is it kernel change or this problem is debian specific?
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14:10<Cheese>anyon here know about kernel panic?
14:10<dr|z3d>Kostik: Hard to say for sure, but I suspect it's kernel related.
14:10<dli>Kostik, kernel people, but they are free to change the drivers. UUID might be guaranteed better
14:10<Cheese>I have a kernel panic :(
14:10<dli>!anyone
14:10<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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14:11<Cheese>lol nice one
14:11<Cheese>:)
14:11<Cheese>I have a newly compiled kernel but it doesnt load :(
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14:14<Kostik>dr|z3d, petemc, dli, thanks for help
14:14<Cheese>mounting my image fails :(
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14:14<Cheese>could anyone tell me where to look?
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14:15<Cheese>!anyone
14:15<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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14:15<Cheese>please help me :(::(:(:(
14:15<LepeR>how is it work sid, for upgrade my debian??
14:16<dr|z3d>LepeR: apt-getr dist-upgrade
14:16<dr|z3d>LepeR: *apt-get dist-upgrade
14:16<themill>LepeR: if you have to ask, you shouldn't.
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14:17<Cheese>kernel panic: unable to mount image
14:17<Cheese>what now!
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14:17<dr|z3d>Cheese: Please stop repeating requests for help every 2 minutes. We've seen your question.
14:17<themill>Cheese: what's wrong with the debian supplied kernel?
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14:18<Cheese>I need a realtime kernel
14:18<Cheese>so I patched a kernel and compiled it
14:18<LepeR>i know how, i'm askinf if is working ok, or still too unstable a lot
14:19<themill>LepeR: what's it's name again?
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14:20<LepeR>ok you you win, i don't have humor today
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14:20<dr|z3d>LepeR: Squeeze? It's solid.
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14:23<Cheese>themill: can you maybe help me diagnosing the problem?
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14:26<dr|z3d>Cheese: Can't you just grab a RT kernel from the repos?
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14:32<adama>judd: versions ffmpeg
14:32<judd>adama: ffmpeg -- etch: 0.cvs20060823-8 etch-security: 0.cvs20060823-8+etch1 lenny: 0.svn20080206-17 lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-17+lenny1 etch-multimedia: 3:20070329-0.0etch1 lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1 squeeze: 4:0.5+svn20090706-2 sid: 4:0.5+svn20090706-2+b1 squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.5+svn20090906-0.0 sid-multimedia: 5:0.5+svn20090919-0.0
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14:52<spstarr>Question: what was the tool to autogenerate a deb package when building a tarball?
14:52<spstarr>i remember you could but forgot the name
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14:55<petemc>spstarr: checkinstall
14:55<spstarr>danke
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15:02<tameek>hello. what's the command for changing a zip to a tar.bz2?
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15:02<petemc>tameek: is there one? other than unzipping it then tarring it?
15:03<tameek>guess not
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15:07<bacdec>HOLA BUENAS TARDES
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15:09<bacdec>TENGO UNA PREGUNTA TENGO DOS EQUIPOS UNO EN DEBÍAN Y UNO EN WINDOWS Y QUIERO ENTRAR AL RECURSO COMPARTIDO DE WINDOWS PERO NO TENGO LA CLAVE HAY ALGUNA FORMA DE HACERLO FORZADO
15:09<dr|z3d>!es
15:09<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:13<spstarr>trying to package http://jsoncpp.sourceforge.net/
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15:13<spstarr>as Second Life's snowglobe viewer needs it
15:13<spstarr>it uses scons and uglyness
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15:45<InkBottle>Broken computer: I've got starting abstraction layer hald (at boot); then no screen at all. But the computer is here: I can speak to it. If I select recovery mode at boot, then every think is fine (as long as I don't resume with the boot process, in which case it does as I said)
15:46<InkBottle>I mean, I've got: "starting abstraction layer hald", at boot
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15:49<kop>InkBottle: I've no clue. I suppose you could tell us what version of debian. And, it could be that you really do have a hardware problem.
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15:50<InkBottle>kop: ok
15:50<kop>InkBottle: There's always memtest86+, and removing hardware until it works. If it's memory I would not expect it to fail at the same place, but then again....
15:51<kop>InkBottle: Reseating things, cleaning contacts, removing dust bunnies, etc.
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15:51<kop>InkBottle: The $10,000 question: did you change anything?
15:51<InkBottle>no
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15:52<InkBottle>uname -r says 2.6.30-1-486, and it's sid/experimental
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15:53<InkBottle>ok, thanks for the tips
15:53<kop>InkBottle: So something changed on you. Sorta points to hardware. Then again, sid does not always work, but I don't think it just stops working after no changes.
15:53<InkBottle>kop: no hardware chang, I meant
15:53<InkBottle>change*
15:54<kop>InkBottle: Well, if you changed the software than perhaps it's the new software.
15:54<InkBottle>kop: could you recall me how I change sys-v runlevel?
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15:55<kop>InkBottle: telinit
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15:55<kop>InkBottle: or /etc/inittab.
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15:57<kop>InkBottle: Or akernel command line option (-s maybe?) I can't recall.
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16:00<InkBottle>ok, I'll see it later, (probably install a sqeeze new debian)
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16:02<Blood>hi all
16:02<Blood>i was here a few days ago, because i had troubles with my new kernel.
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16:02<Blood>i still have them .. i installed the 2.6.30 kernel, and KDE wont start ! How can i try forcing it to start ? I was told KDM was kernel-independent
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16:10<tamiko>!charset öäüß ŧ€ßŧ
16:11<tamiko>Falscher Channel. Entschuldigung.
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16:35<cheal>Blood: there's no way to force KDE to start
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16:49<rjent>Greetings, I am looking at ways to setup a small captive portal. I am curious if this could be done with a debian only setup?
16:51<bja>rjent: define a captive portal
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16:53<rjent>bja: thanks for the response, well what I want is a _simple_ way to have anyone who connects to the wifi to go to a page and be able to enter credentials.
16:53<resmo>rjent: do not know a out-of-the box solution for debian. used m0n0wall for this
16:53<rjent>However it would be nice if I could have it authenticate against system accounts
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16:54<rjent>resmo: thanks also for responding. I have seen the place to setup m0n0wall for captive portal, but I want to avoid freeraidius and things like chillispot if I can just authenticate against system accounts on a debian unit.
16:55<rjent>I just want simple
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16:55<bja>rjent: i've never done that, but i guess if you use a proxy, all unidentified trafic been redirected to a login page
16:55<resmo>rjent: no need for radius with m0n0wall
16:55<resmo>btw
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16:56<rjent>resmo: could you share more if that it might meet my needs?
16:56<rjent>bja: are you saying that I could use proxy authentication to gain access?
16:57<bja>rjent: its a crazy idea, as i also said, i've never done that before
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16:59<rjent>bja: I will consider it. It has merit as a _simple_ solution. Many thanks for your responding.
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17:00<bja>rjent: i am for kiss philosophy :)
17:00<rjent>bja: I second that!
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17:40<saleem>hello
17:40<saleem>what is the latest lenny kernel version?
17:40<themill>judd kernels
17:40<judd>themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-7); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
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17:41<saleem>thanks
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17:51<faheem>judd is a bot?
17:51<judd>faheem: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
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17:52<faheem>strange name for a bot.
17:52<themill>UDD is the Ultimate Debian Database.
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17:52<faheem>themill: oh, and the j?
17:53<themill>"udd" is even more unappealing as a name for a bot.
17:53<adama>the J is for judd
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17:53<faheem>themill, adama : ok
17:53<faheem>themill: maybe udder ?
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17:54<faheem>Ultimate Debian Database Electronic Recognision - backronym
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17:54<miguel>how can i schedule a command to be executed at some defined opint in time
17:55<faheem>miguel: cron?
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17:55<themill>faheem: I did actually have a udd testing bot called udder for a while... it drove people udderly mad though
17:55<miguel>in detail. i want to setup something like an alarm clock, that will wake me tomorrow
17:55<faheem>themill: :-)
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17:55<miguel>coz im afriad not to here my regular alarm clock...
17:55<faheem>miguel: buy a very loud alarm clock?
17:55<miguel>hear
17:55<themill>!at
17:55<dpkg>it has been said that at is a delayed job execution and batch processing program, or IBM's second-generation PC (Advanced Technology), or Austria, or OK
17:56<miguel>its midnight here, and all shops are closed ;)
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17:56<faheem>miguel: ok. no programmable stereo then?
17:56<miguel>nope :(
17:56<faheem>miguel: considered a phone wakeup call?
17:57<miguel>yes, but i only have a cellphone, and that will be the same volume, as my regular alarm
17:57<miguel>it must be easy to start some application that plays music very loud in the morning
17:57<miguel>i hoped
17:58<miguel>maybe there is some application that does it
17:58<icebrain>echo mplayer SOUNDFILE | at 0800
17:58<icebrain>replace SOUNDFILE and 0800
17:58<miguel>ok ineed the at application
17:58<faheem>miguel: if it is important, i'd test that first, though.
17:59<miguel>ya ill try it of course first, but thx guys. you saved my a..
17:59<icebrain>at has never failed me
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18:00<miguel>i do not have at, and there is no such pacakge in my distro
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18:00<miguel>maybe i could do something like: wait 5hours && mplayer soundfile
18:00<themill>judd versions at
18:00<judd>themill: at -- etch: 3.1.10 lenny: 3.1.10.2 sid: 3.1.11-1 squeeze: 3.1.11-1
18:00<faheem>miguel: you are using debian, right?
18:01<themill>miguel: at is in debian...
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18:01<miguel>im on debian
18:01<faheem>miguel: no problem then.
18:01<icebrain>there's 'at' in every version
18:01<themill>you'd "sleep 5h" rather than wait, but yeah that'd work too
18:01<miguel>miguel@MiguelsLair:~$ echo mplayer SOUNDFILE | at 0800
18:01<miguel>bash: at: command not found
18:01<miguel>bash: echo: write error: Broken pipe
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18:02<themill>!installit
18:02<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
18:02<faheem>themill: are you the author of jud?
18:02<themill>faheem: I wrote one of the plugins in judd
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18:03<miguel>thx guys, im going get some sleep, goodnight!
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18:04<faheem>themill: judd itself does not appear to be in debian.
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18:05<themill>faheem: judd is just a supybot. It has a couple of custom plugins for use in #debian
18:06<faheem>themill: oh, ok.
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18:06*themill recommends the alarm clock: echo "while true; do aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav; done" | at 0800
18:07<themill>working out how to turn it off should wake you up
18:07*dr|z3d laughs.
18:08<icebrain>this is equally effective: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/02/alarm_clock_makes_you_do.html
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18:20<jpinx-eeepc>bja: such a new fone! 6310 here ;)
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18:27<lee>hey, anyone know a way to g installhe kernel module for smbfs (smbfs.ko) in lenny?
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18:28<themill>lee: use cifs instead
18:29<lee>themill: what's cifs?
18:30<themill>the replacement for smbfs
18:30<themill>!cifs
18:30<dpkg>it has been said that cifs is Common Internet File System. Basically <SMB> without <NBT>. The Linux CIFS <VFS> driver previously ignored the `port' mount option, see Debian bug #524142.
18:31<lee>ah, thanks
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18:42<wamty_>In debian, the default is a single partition for / and a swap partition ?
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18:43<dondelelcaro>wamty_: depends on what you select, but yes.
18:44<wamty_>im just looking for input on my choice of parts and fs'
18:44<wamty_>like / ext3, /home ext3
18:44<wamty_>how is ext4 better/worse?
18:44<themill>wamty_: are you going to go around a few other networks as well with this poll?
18:44<wamty_>is vfat or xfs any better for storage of typical /home files?
18:44<wamty_>I'll stock to here
18:44<wamty_>as it is the official channel.
18:44<wamty_>stick*
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18:45<themill>!filesystem
18:45<dpkg>Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. medium-speed but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. slow, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use <ext3>. Old benchmarks at http://fsbench.netnation.com/ . http://wiki.debian.org/FileSystem #linuxfs on irc.oftc.net.
18:45<wamty_>any suggestions please here?
18:45<themill>wamty_: "if you have to ask, use ext3"
18:45<adama>you could ask #linux on freenode - it is not a Debian-specific question
18:46<wamty_>Im on debian
18:46*adama uses ext3
18:47<wamty_>Could you suggest please Sir?
18:47<adama>I have a NAS that uses xfs, seems to be fine too
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18:47<dondelelcaro>wamty_: just use ext3; there's generally little point in concerning yourself with it
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18:48<demon_>hiya
18:48<demon_>so
18:48<demon_>PLEASe
18:48<Hideo>!enter
18:48<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
18:48<demon_>i just got out of bill's world
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18:49<demon_>for some reason my root password doesnt seem to work any more on backtrack 4
18:49<wamty_>dondelelcaro: i was going to use ext3, but i like having a reason for doing what i do, rather than just "its default" or "i didnt know what else to use"
18:49<themill>!bt4
18:49<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), formerly <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.remote-exploit.org/backtrack.html #remote-exploit on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
18:49<demon_>it's the same pwd for user but it doesnt work !
18:49<themill>demon_: please go to #remote-exploit on irc.freenode.net
18:50<demon_>k
18:50<wamty_>dondelelcaro: i was going to use ext3, but i like having a reason for doing what i do, rather than just "its default" or "i didnt know what else to use"
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18:53<dondelelcaro>wamty_: the reason to do so is because its a reasonable default choice; its fairly well tested, and has pretty decent support.
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19:10<goo>anyone around from yesterday that tried to help me with my stupid shell script
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19:11<goo>school computers don't have 'expect' command installed or something and it wont work
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19:12<abrotman>really?
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19:13<goo>yeah. im back at square 1 and getting quite pissed over something that should be easy
19:13<Stemby>Hi, how can I report a typo in www.debian.org?
19:14<blendmaster1024>Stemby, i would do it here, but i'm just a lowly debian user
19:14<abrotman>probably tells you at the bottom of the page to file a bug on the pseudopackage debian-www or www.debian.org
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19:14<themill>Stemby: or run "reportbug www.debian.org"
19:15<Stemby>a bug report for a little typo?
19:15<goo>anyone have any other where i can pipeline multiple inputs to a c++ program with a script :(
19:15<themill>the right person needs to know. the right person isn't in here...
19:16<Stemby>Who is "the right person"?
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19:17<abrotman>Stemby: the person that will read your bug! :)
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19:20<Stemby>Ok, thanks
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19:20<abrotman>i have a feeling he's not going to file the bug
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19:21<bja>abrotman: if he files the bug i'll buy you a beer
19:22<abrotman>another thing that won't happen!
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19:23<slush>you dont like beer?
19:24<bja>abrotman: do you doubt my word?
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19:25<abrotman>bja: nope .. i just doubt that meatspace continuum would allow it to happen!
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19:25<bja>lol
19:26<bja>abrotman: If the man steped on the moon, i guess a beer can travel half the earth :)
19:26<abrotman>bja: i don't want it to be bad when it gets here :)
19:27<bja>abrotman: just look for that bug report, the rest is on me
19:28<abrotman>bja: uhm .. look wherE?!
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19:29<abrotman>bja: but i did find my bug :)
19:30<bja>ok, guess your paypal account needs a deposit
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19:30<abrotman>hehe
19:32<trinity1it>hy
19:33<bja>hi
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19:35<trinity1it>all ok?
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19:40<blendmaster1024>goo: if you have bash it should be easy with exec
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19:41<ert34>1. I recently turned from gnome to xfce. I installed xfce and removed my gnome as dpkg said. I've setup xfce to start as default in the gdm screen. It had worked unitl now. I need startx from tty to start xfce. 2. I see that my wireless isn't enabled in tty, I want this to work without a network manager app from an X desktop. But I want that when the X is started the network manager take control over the connection.
19:41<bja>goo: you can allways use variables within the script although the managemente of the input is done easier whithin C
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19:43<bja>ert34: on point 2 man iwconfig that should help to set up your wireless on tty as for handing control over to the X manager i don't have a clue
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19:47<ert34>bja, thanks.
19:47<bja>np
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19:52<umer>hey folks, i am trying to install debian testing, i downloaded the daily build, but it fails, it says sudo is not found, this bug seems to be the same issue as mine: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=547780
19:52<umer>i was reading on the debian site and it said that i might be able to get a working snapshot instead of a dailybuild, does anyone know where i might be able to get it from? i'm looking for the netinst
19:53<umer>if that is not possible, is it possible for me to get the stable iso, install the minimal system, and then change the repo in /etc/apt/sources.list from lenny to squeeze (or testing not sure which one it would need) and then do an apt-get dist-upgrade?
19:54<themill>umer: fixed earlier this evening apparently.
19:54<umer>themill, i just downloaded the image not more than an hour ago.
19:56<themill>the actual fix won't appear in an image until the newer version is used to build an image though. That might be tomorrow or it might be at a later resync of development tools
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19:57<kapil>umer: it is certainly possible to install a minimal stable and then upgrade to testing --- but this will not _test_ the installer. one reason to run testing is to test various aspects of the upcoming release!
19:57<umer>kapil, i understand that...but right now i need a working system.
19:58<icebrain>ert34: use Wicd as the network manager, it's a daemon with separate interfaces, a GTK one and a curses one, so you can control it from both console and Xorg
19:58<umer>this is actually my first install of debian, i went from using ubuntu for a year and a half, to archlinux for half a year, and now i'd like to give debian a whirl
19:58<ert34>icebrain, it seems a solution, thanks.
19:59<umer>kapil, what is the best way of upgrading from stable to testing?
20:00<icebrain>ert34: np. I usually end up using curses in Xorg too, but it's much easier to connect to a new network. It's a pity it doesn't support WPA-Enterprise :(
20:01<kapil>duplicate the lines for "stable" in /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "stable" with "testing". in other words you should have _both_ sets of lines. then run "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade".
20:02<kapil>also check the release notes for "testing" for upgrade procedures.
20:04<ert34>Xfce now appears really more fitable for my 10 inch desktop.
20:04<umer>kapil, does it matter in which order the lines appear? for example, should the stable lines appear before testing, or vice versa? or does it not matter?
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20:06*themill suspects that umer should run stable for a while to get used to debian first
20:06*kapil agrees with themill
20:06<umer>hmmm
20:06<umer>possibly
20:06<umer>i tried getting to the release notes for testing from here: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/releasenotes but they dont seem to be available. is there an alternate location?
20:07*bja sees a man in the back agreeing also
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20:09<umer>themill, kapil bja: i appreciate the concern, however, that still doesn't answer my question of whether or not order matters.
20:09<themill>umer: order doesn't matter in the sources.list
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20:09<icebrain>I jumped right into Testing when I first installed Debian, which was my first Linux distro, and jumped to Sid one month later :P
20:09<umer>thank you themill.
20:10<themill>and we haven't been able to get rid of you yet
20:10<icebrain>:(
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20:11<umer>i've looked into stable, however, packages in stable seem to be too old for my liking, I understand that testing will inherently be not as stable as stable, but after using archlinux, im used to having the latest and sometimes-greatest versions.
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20:12<umer>well, my stable netinst disc has finished burning, thanks for your help themill and kapil. I truly do appreciate it.
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20:29<chaos>how do i kill a process if "kill -9" doesn't do the trick?
20:31<abrotman>what's the process state?
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20:35<bnave>Hi all, I'm having a bit of trouble installing Debian 5.0.3 on a PowerBook G3 (Lombard or Pismo....I can't remember). I downloaded the netinst iso and the installer hangs at after the tasksel process. I can't figure out how to get out of the installer other than rebooting. Can anyone tell me what else I could do that would be helpful in troubleshooting this problem?
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20:36<mustafa>hi!
20:37<mustafa>Can anyone help me?
20:37<bja>!ask
20:37<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
20:38<mustafa>!ask
20:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
20:38<mustafa>Who wants to help out a debian noob!? greatly appreciated...
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20:39<mustafa>!ping
20:39<dpkg>Yes, mustafa, you are online.
20:39<streuner__>read the factoid carefully :-P
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20:40<mustafa>streuner
20:40<mustafa>Can you help me?
20:41<bnave>dpkg: !help
20:41<dpkg>i haven't a clue, bnave
20:41<streuner__>no, not if you ask a real question
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20:41<streuner__>give us details
20:41<mustafa>it's about installing packages within debian 5
20:42<streuner__>hm, and whats the concret problem?
20:42<locsmif>!tell mustafa about apt
20:42<mustafa>trying nessus, or nemesis , but the GUI is saying someting about refresh, and when i do that it repeats itself resulting in a loop
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20:42<streuner__>hm
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20:43<mustafa>also tried to use cli, with apt-get resulting in no package found
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20:43<bnave>!commands
20:43<dpkg>it has been said that commands is The Linux command reference may be found here: http://justlinux.com/nhf/Command_Reference and here: http://justlinux.com/nhf/Shells/Basic_Console_Commands.html
20:45<locsmif>can't find nessus either, did it get renamed or something?
20:45<mustafa>dunno, maybe nemesis?
20:45<streuner__>!find nessus
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20:46<bja>judd: versions nessus
20:46<judd>bja: nessus -- etch: 2.2.8-1 lenny: 2.2.10-3
20:46<dpkg>Debian Search of 'nessus' (4 of 8): (/usr/share/piwi/Functions/nessus.pl) in admin/piwi ;; (/usr/share/selinux/mls/nessus.pp) in admin/selinux-policy-mls ;; (/usr/share/selinux/default/nessus.pp) in admin/selinux-policy-default ;; (/usr/share/doc/selinux-policy-doc/html/services_nessus.html) in doc/selinux-policy-doc.
20:46<bja>judd: versions nemesis
20:46<judd>bja: nemesis -- etch: 1.32+1.4beta3-2 lenny: 1:1.4-1
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20:48<[machine]>nessus is being/has been removed
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20:49<[machine]>we forked it when it went closed source
20:49<mustafa>hmz
20:49<bja>[machine]: what is its new name?
20:49-!-patofiero [~carlos@bas3-ottawa23-1177565460.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #debian
20:49<[machine]>openvas
20:49<mustafa>Anyone knowns of a good network tool?
20:49<mustafa>to do stress testing etc..
20:50<[machine]>it's an spi project just like debian now :)
20:50<[machine]>we (the developers) are in #openvas
20:54<adb>judd: versions openvas
20:54<judd>adb: openvas --
20:54<[machine]>openvas-server && openvas-client
20:55<adb>judd: versions openvas-server
20:55<bja>judd: versions openvas-server
20:55<judd>adb: openvas-server -- lenny-backports: 2.0.3-2~bpo50+1 sid: 2.0.3-2 squeeze: 2.0.3-2
20:55<judd>bja: openvas-server -- lenny-backports: 2.0.3-2~bpo50+1 sid: 2.0.3-2 squeeze: 2.0.3-2
20:55*[machine] is the founder of the project btww
20:55<bja>!beer [machine]
20:55*dpkg deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for [machine]
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20:58<user01>has anyone taken lpic-101 i think im screwed
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20:58<user01>only getting about 50% right
20:59<user01>on practice tests
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21:00<user01>why couldnt you do mail Bob < ls to send Bob a ls list?
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21:00<user01>i thought < redirects input
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21:03<bnave>user01: < does redirect but ls is not a file
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21:03<bnave>user01: ls | mail bob
21:04<user01>oh :(
21:04<locsmif>[machine], thank you, thank you, thank you.
21:05<locsmif>\o/ /o\
21:05<user01>i would think you need a file of the ls output
21:05<user01>and mail that
21:05<locsmif>mail bob < <(ls)
21:05<locsmif>works also.
21:05<bnave>user01: then do "ls > aFile; mail bob < aFile"
21:06<bnave>or what locsmif said too ;-)
21:06<bja>user01: you could allways try mail bob < `ls` although i am not sure it works
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21:06<bnave>did this just turn into a game of how many ways can we do this? :-)
21:06<user01>i didnt think | did anything except run a series of commands
21:07<locsmif>[machine], good luck with the project. I'll probably be using it at some point in the future =)
21:07<[machine]>there's a whole team working away on it, but thanks :)
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21:07<user01>i thought you needed some sort of redirect
21:07<locsmif>[machine], well thank them too then
21:07<bja>user01: | is the major breaktrough of unix in the 70's
21:08<user01>so | take the output of ls and redirects to mail
21:08*locsmif retires. bbl
21:08<bja>bye
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21:08<bja>user01: pipes it from one program to the next from stdouput to stdinput
21:09<user01>mmm
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21:13<user01>ok im just a /dev/null
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21:14<user01>i keep piping things into my brain not sure where they go
21:15<bja>user01: normaly everyone uses sleep to glue them to your brain
21:16<user01>bja, i tried taking a couple days off but i just forgot the commands, they all look familiar though
21:17<user01>i feel like ooo ooo i know the answer, let me just type info foo
21:17<user01>but i cant do that on the test :(
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21:18<blendmaster1024>botbotbotbotbot kickme
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21:21<heartbeats>how can i install rubyOnrails
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21:22<bnave>Ok....Here's my problem again. I'm trying to install Debian 5.0.3 on a PowerBook G3. I've tried both the net install and dvd isos, but the intallers on both of them hang on the "Select and install software" screen right after the "Running tasksel..." process. I can't figure out how to get out of the installer, other than rebooting. What can I do to figure out what the problem is???
21:22-!-mib_s3ruuswf [5db5ccd8@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit []
21:23<bnave>heartbeats: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=howto+install+ruby+on+rails+debian
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21:25<bzzz>brave, I think there is a debug option for the installer. anyway you can press alt ctrl f2 and cd to /var/log to see what happen.
21:25<bnave>bzzz: thanks! i'll try that now
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21:28<bzzz>bnave, try pressing alt ctrl and f keys. I think one tty is only for log (not sure)
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21:29<bnave>Well, now that I'm at a console, i can't seem to figure out how to go back. I can't seem to switch to any of the other virtual consoles
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21:30<bnave>The log has some output from in-target, the last seems like a question waiting for a response:
21:30-!-heartbeats [~heartbeat@117.196.134.25] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
21:30<bzzz>alt ctrl f1 should return to installer
21:30<bnave>Do you want to ignore this warning and proceed anyway? To continue, enter "Yes"; to abort, enter "No"
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21:31<bnave>yeah...good call
21:31<bnave>i thought i tried that
21:31<bnave>:-D
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21:33<bzzz>in /var/log/installer should be the log file. you can say it in the end
21:33<bnave>f4 is the installer log btw
21:33<bzzz>*save
21:33<bnave>i only have /var/log/syslog and partman
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21:35<bzzz>in /target/var/log/ ? don't remember for sure and not in debian atm
21:35<bnave>nope...not there either
21:36<bnave>is there a way to kill the installer and restart it without rebooting?
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21:37<bnave>I think I want to say no to that option about checking for newer packages on debian mirrors
21:37<bnave>it seems like it doesn't like some of the packages because they are "untrusted"
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21:39<bzzz>u can say no, but maybe the best is to disconnect the network while installing. the bad thing about it is u might end up with no default network in the installed system
21:40<bnave>that would be slightly annoying
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21:40<kurumin>hello
21:40<bzzz>forget about my last phrase, just say no
21:40<kurumin>hello friends
21:41<bnave>yeah...i'm rebooting at the moment to restart the installer :-\
21:41<bzzz>hi kurumin
21:41<kurumin>my name is rhendrick
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21:42<bnave>hi rhendrick
21:42<kurumin>my live hell, plis help
21:42<bnave>!ask
21:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
21:42<abrotman>!kurumin
21:42<dpkg>Kurumin Linux was a Brazilian Linux distribution originally based on <Knoppix>, then Debian Etch. Discontinued January 29 2009: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=pt-BR&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http://www.gdhpress.com.br/kurumin/ , http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090202#news . Ask me about <install debian>.
21:42<bzzz>kurumin is a distro from Brazil, isn't it?
21:42<kurumin>sim
21:42<kurumin>sou brasileiro
21:42<abrotman>kurumin: english here, and your distro is not supported in this channel
21:43<bnave>lol...first time in this room, first time in irc in a while. love the bot commands...
21:43<kurumin>plis boy !
21:43<kurumin>my mother boxing y
21:44<kurumin>y kiler and rip
21:44<kurumin>hahaha (6)
21:44<bnave>yeah...that's not making much sense
21:44<abrotman>kurumin: Do you have a Debian related question?
21:45<kurumin>one moment
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21:46<kurumin>linguage portugueze brazil ???
21:46<abrotman>!br
21:46<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
21:47<kurumin>#debian-br
21:47<kurumin>tankyo
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21:48<bnave>how do you get a list of commands supported by the different bots?
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21:51<copyleft>Hi,anybody kwow how to configUre one keyboard in X11 and Gnome?
21:51<abrotman>!xorg config
21:51<dpkg>From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Things like resolution are configured by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. As a result, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed - and is often blank - but manual configuration is still possible. Use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template.
21:53<copyleft>the keyboard model is Compaq Presario R3000 distribtion for latino America
21:55<copyleft>I try to cofigUre model and layoUt in xorg.conf bUt i have problems
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22:05<copyleft>thanks a lot
22:05<copyleft>yor solution save my life
22:05<copyleft>:)
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22:11<abrotman>is he serious?
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22:38<marcOS>someone getting "error: incorrect format: unknown tag" using alien ¿?
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23:26<marcOS>someone could install swi-prolog ¿? i mean, the interface as in win...
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23:32<chealer>marcOS: do you mean SWI-Prolog-Editor, or what?
23:35<marcOS>yea chealer
23:35<marcOS>is it possible chealer ¿?
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23:36<pepe>hello
23:37<chealer>marcOS: you can't really install Windows software on Debian, no.
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23:38<QnfHv>¶Ô adema ˵: is there any chinese here
23:38<marcOS>i dont want to install win software chealer...
23:39<QnfHv>¶Ô ËùÓÐÈË Ëµ: is there any Chinese here?
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23:39<marcOS>i just want something as swi-prolog-editor...
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23:42<chealer>marcOS: there is nothing "as" SWI-Prolog-Editor. you can see the list of development tools on the website. Emacs is in Debian.
23:46<marcOS>ok chealer, thanks
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