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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-09-25

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00:48<baio>jola
00:48<baio>hola
00:48<baio>hi
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00:48<baio>hola
00:48<baio>hello
00:49<baio>hi
00:52<baio>hola
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00:55<baio>hola
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01:02<baio>hola
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01:09<baio>hola
01:09<baio>alguien
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01:14<qizhenfang>有中国人吗?
01:15<jm_>!cn
01:15<dpkg>well, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
01:15<qizhenfang>who is IRC?
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01:16<qizhenfang>????//
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01:19<cahoot>try google?
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01:27<baio>bueno
01:28<sney>hi
01:29<baio>quien eres
01:29<baio>o como te llamas
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01:30<sney>me llamo sney, pero no hablemos espanol aqui
01:30<sney>vaya -> #debian-es
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01:32<accol>yo
01:32<baio>pues la verdad no se quien
01:32<baio>pero yo ya estoy en debian-es
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01:33<sney>hablas ingles?
01:33<baio>pues mas o menos
01:33<baio>why?
01:34<sney>because this is an english channel
01:35<baio>I'm sorry but I have to try this service irc
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01:40<FooMorFoo>d
01:40<sney>e
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01:47<ScottSteiner>Are there any live cd creation tools that allow you to modify the installation after it'd been burned (DamnSmallLinux calls it remastering). What I really want to do is include some custom scripts/settings/packages/file in a livecd but I can only seem to find prebuilt live cds
01:51<jm_>!debian-live
01:51<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org). Note that the live-cd doesn't currently come with a simple "install to hard disk" option (although ask me about <debootstrap>).
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01:58<trupheenix>i want to know if Linux is vulnerable to ARP poisoning?
01:58<trupheenix>how do i counter it?
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02:17<Darkedge>errr..... question: How do I get xfrce in Debian?
02:17<Darkedge>I found this website on da internet:
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02:18<Darkedge>....
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02:22<sney>Darkedge: http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce
02:22<sney>shorter answer: aptitude install xfce
02:22<Darkedge>yeah
02:22<Darkedge>I did that,
02:22<Darkedge>But how do I like "activate" it?
02:23<sney>if you're using gdm to log in, it'll be one of the "session" options
02:23<sney>in /etc/gdm.conf you can set the default session as well
02:23<Darkedge>ok
02:23<Darkedge>thanks,
02:23<jm_>doesn't it have an option to remember what you select? even wdm has that
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02:23<sney>jm_: wouldn't know, don't use gdm. heh but it probably doees
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02:58<Gold24>it did last i used gdm 3 years ago
02:58<Gold24>i somehow doubt it's a feature they remove
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03:06<Darkedge>me got quuestion, Phenny told me it made a "config" file in ~/.phenny/default.py
03:06<Darkedge>Where is that?
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03:06<Darkedge>I've never heared of ~/.
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03:12<OdyX>Darkedge: ~ is your $HOME
03:12<OdyX>that is normally /home/$your_login/
03:12<OdyX>and .$name folders are configuration folders in your $HOME directory
03:13<OdyX>.phenny, .config, .kde, …
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03:13<Darkedge>Well
03:14<Darkedge>OdyX: How can I get Linux to "see" the .example files?
03:14<makkan>Darkedge: ls -l
03:14<OdyX>Darkedge: depends on what you use to browse your file
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03:15<OdyX>ls -a
03:15<Darkedge>Yay
03:15<Darkedge>found it
03:15<Darkedge>It was "hidden" :P
03:15<makkan>my bad.. (i use ls -la) don't know why I shortened it down :/
03:16<makkan>Darkedge: all files that begin with . are treated as hidden in the linux/unix world
03:17<OdyX>or "show hidden files"
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03:29<Darkedge>Can anyone help me with Phenny? Or knows a channel that surports it?
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03:41<makkan>I use this line in inittab to log in automatically to my system: 1:2345:respawn:/bin/login -f YOUR_USER_NAME tty1 </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1 this works fine, but now I wanted to use ttysnoop so I have to call login from snooptab instead but for some reason that wont work. Can anyone tell me why? I've checked all the logs in /var/log and found no error regarding login. Also I tried putting the line /bin/login/... inside ' and ` that however gave the e
03:42<jm_>makkan: your message was too long
03:42<jm_>gave the e...
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03:45<makkan>jm_: gave the error that the line could not be executed.
03:45<jm_>makkan: yeah it probably wants a real command name, so no quotes etc.
03:47<makkan>jm_: yes I figured that out too, the hard part is figuring out why the line won't work (without any sort of quotes etc)
03:48<jm_>makkan: try stracing it
03:50<makkan>jm_: ok I've never heard of that before.. should I just google "strace"
03:50<jm_>makkan: apt* install strace
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03:53<baio>hola
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03:55<baio>hello
03:55<apinski>hi
03:55<baio>someone knows how to make good use xchat
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03:59<baio>know where I can find a tutorial on xchat
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04:03<baio>hi
04:03<alephnull>baio: google
04:04<baio>but are not very complete
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04:14<bella>y5tyy56
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04:20<bella>q coisa eh essa?
04:21<baio>someone knows how to make a return to see my menu bar in xchat
04:22<baio>alguien sabe como hacer que aparesca mi barra de menu en xchat
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04:23<OdyX>!br
04:23<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
04:23<OdyX>bella ^
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04:23<OdyX>!es
04:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
04:23<OdyX>baio: ^
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04:25<bella>pra serve isso?
04:25<hawkins>Some One There?
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04:25<bella>what's the use that
04:25<hawkins>SOme One CAn GIve ME A HAnd?
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04:26*OdyX hands a hand to hawkins.
04:26<hawkins>:P
04:26<hawkins>I GOt A PIxxo WEbcam HOw I CAn MAke It Work For My DEbian?
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04:27<OdyX>by fixing your Caps Lock key first ?
04:27<hawkins>sorry
04:27<hawkins>?
04:27<hawkins>some one can help me? T_T
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04:28<baio>hi
04:28<hawkins>hi
04:28<hawkins>baio
04:29<baio>how are you?
04:29<hawkins>do you know how to fix a webcam pixxo for debian?
04:30<hawkins>im so happy my girl friend gave me a present today
04:30<hawkins>she gave me the remasteres beatles cd's
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04:30<hawkins>high definition audio
04:30<hawkins>lol
04:30<baio>No, I'm just learning to use linux
04:31<bella>isso é um chat?
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04:31<hawkins>same as me baio im new at linux hehehehe:P
04:32<baio>jijiji :P
04:32<hawkins>do you speak spanish?
04:32<hawkins>baio
04:33<baio>yes
04:33<hawkins>lol i knew it
04:33<hawkins>by ur ''jijijijij''
04:33<hawkins>:P
04:33<hawkins>same i speak it too
04:35<baio>because I'm from mexico, that English is a bit complicated to me
04:36<bella>oq as pessoas fazem aki?
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04:37<hawkins>:P
04:37<hawkins>Near Me, Im From El Salvador
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04:38<bella>
04:38<bella>personas oque hacer aque
04:38<baio>that looks good
04:38<baio>And how's the weather like in El Salvador
04:39<bella>hddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddfgberguerhhu
04:39<baio>hhkjhkjhhlhjh.mh,h,
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04:41<hawkins>Well
04:41<hawkins>Its Rainy :P
04:43<bella>ujjjjjjjjjt
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05:59<baio>hi
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06:05<Lancien>comment sa se fais que ma debioan s'eteigne a chaque fois que je suis sur plusieur page net?
06:05<buffoon_work>!fr
06:05<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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06:11<slaxx>Bonjour
06:11<slaxx>enfin, Hello
06:12<slaxx>do you speak french or English or the 2 ?
06:13<dr|z3d>slaxx: Here, English.
06:13<dr|z3d>!fr
06:13<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
06:14<SKL_Makay>hi all
06:14<slaxx>ha ok thanks
06:15<SKL_Makay>vannak itt magyarok is rajtam kívül?
06:15<SKL_Makay>hmm, nobody :D
06:15<dr|z3d>!hu
06:15<dpkg>i heard hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t.
06:15<locsmif>SKL_Makay, what kind of language is that?
06:15<locsmif>oh.
06:16<SKL_Makay>hungary
06:16<dr|z3d>*hungarian
06:16<SKL_Makay>sorry
06:16<SKL_Makay>dpkg: thanks
06:16<dpkg>SKL_Makay: pas de quoi
06:17<locsmif>SKL_Makay, no problem, just that I normally have some idea where a language is from..apparently not with Hungarian
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06:17<SKL_Makay>dpkg: this channel is empty
06:17<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, SKL_Makay
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06:18<locsmif>That's needed in order to tell dpkg how to address people too visit their Language-specific channel. Your sentence looked like a mix of Turkish and Finnish, so I was at a loss there.
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06:18<locsmif>SKL_Makay, dpkg is a bot
06:19<locsmif>Don't tell him that tho.
06:19<SKL_Makay>oh XD
06:19<locsmif>!bot
06:19<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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06:26<rain^>I have a Novatel USB760 cellular modem from Verizon and I can't get it to work in Debian ("Lenny") kernel 2.6.26-amd64. Can someone please help?
06:27<petemc>http://wiki.debian.org/Modem/3G
06:27<jm_>i fit's usbserial you need to load the module with vendor and product options, worked for mybro
06:28<jm_>adjust spacing to fit
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06:30<rain^>All the vendor and product stuff is in. I already followed all the directions that google finds to solve this problem. and, it worked on my ubuntu box but not on my debian box.
06:31<jm_>then try a newer kernel
06:31<rain^>on the debian box, not only does it have the novatel mass storage device (which i successfully unmounted) but also the novatel mmc storage (which won't stay gone) so the modem part of the device wont kick in
06:32<rain^>is there an amd64 kernel thats newer for debian?
06:32<jm_>judd kernels
06:32<judd>jm_: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-7); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
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06:32<rain^>i tried blacklisting all mmc modules
06:32<rain^>that didnt work
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06:39<nickd>The debian-503-amd64netinst.iso is giving me a base-installer/no_codename error. What package should I file against, debian-installer?
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06:45<urbinek>grr, someone replayed ?
06:46<jose>how can i know if piuparts finished succesfully?
06:47<gsimmons>nickd: installation-reports. See also sections 5.4.5 and 5.4.6 of the Installation Guide. Debian bug #509775 might also be relevant.
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06:48<Squelos>hi all
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06:50<nickd>I haven't got 'creative' sadly - I just tried to install via the stable netinst iso and pressed next a lot.
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06:55<Squelos>you got nicked :)
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07:00<jesperj>Is there voice-control software available for Debian? To control the computer with a headset?
07:00<jesperj>I cant find anything like it...
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07:06<urbinek>so no one can help ? http://wklej.org/id/156157/
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07:09<valdyn>urbinek: win7 should have 2 partitions
07:09<valdyn>urbinek: at least on my system
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07:09<urbinek>valdyn: hmm and what now /
07:10<urbinek>i've got only 1 with win7
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07:11<urbinek>how to install it i cant change sda1,2,4
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07:42<Darkedge>dr | z3d.
07:42<Darkedge>s
07:42<Darkedge>s
07:43<Darkedge>opps
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07:43<Darkedge>Sorry
07:43<Darkedge>xD
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08:56<FilipeMaia>Is there any pdf plugin other than the one from Acrobat?
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08:56<jm_>PDF plugin for what?
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08:58<FilipeMaia>I would like to have a plugin reader in my browser
08:58<FilipeMaia>I would actually like even more a tabbed pdf reader but i can't find one
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08:59<jm_>acroread 9 has tabs
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08:59<FilipeMaia>jm_, without using acroread
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08:59<jm_>FilipeMaia: did you check evince or okular?
09:00<FilipeMaia>jm_, besides it doesn't even run on my machine (x86-64)
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09:00<FilipeMaia>jm_, yes i tried both without any luck
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09:01<jm_>FilipeMaia: then I am out of ideas
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09:02<FilipeMaia>jm_, I think my best option is actually to use konqueror
09:02<FilipeMaia>as a pdf reader
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09:08<FilipeMaia>does anyone know how to open a link in konqueror from the command line?
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09:08<dr|z3d>FilipeMaia: konqueror http://someurl.com ?
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09:09<FilipeMaia>dr|z3d, but this seems to open a new konqueror
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09:11<FilipeMaia>any other hints?
09:11<jm_>probably means an equivalent of iceweasel -remote openURL($myurl ,new-tab)
09:13<FilipeMaia>jm_, exactly
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09:14<agney>FilipeMaia, kfmclient newTab http://some.url.com
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09:15<FilipeMaia>agney, almost great...
09:15<FilipeMaia>agney, but doesn't work when my konqueror is in a different desktop
09:15<FilipeMaia>agney, but definitely an improvement
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09:17<FilipeMaia>i use windowmaker as windowmanager if it makes any difference
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09:21<Fabrice2038>hi! anyone knows how to configure sound props to unmute my USB logitech z-5 sound device (card 1) ? seems that sound still goes to my old internal sound card (card 0)
09:22<Fabrice2038>i see the z-5 device with a aplay -l
09:22<jm_>Fabrice2038: you can use alsamixer -c ...
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09:22<nik>ciao a tutti
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09:23<Fabrice2038>jm_: already tried by I only see PCM
09:23<Fabrice2038>jm_: it's on but no sound
09:24<Fabrice2038>it works under win xp (of course I have drivers for it but not for linux)
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09:35<vuser>Hi, My Virtual server keeps freezing, I believe it could possibly be a problem with debian kernel more than the VM software.
09:35<vuser>Error message shows up in dmesg as :
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09:35<vuser>[1200857.281576] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#3 stuck for 1295s! [swapper:0]
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09:36<vuser>Full dmesg error dump here: http://pastebin.com/m2ce3939c
09:36<vuser>Is it saying the problem is with [Swapper]? and if so, what is swapper and whats its purpose?
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09:37<Txt_file>Fabrice2038: did you check the compatibility? google etc.
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09:38<Fabrice2038>yes some people got it to work on other distros
09:39<Fabrice2038>specialy on ubuntu
09:41<Txt_file>I have a problem with sshfs. I'm running Debian version testing/amd64. When I try to do 'sshfs -i .ssh/323 192.168.239.228:/home/txt/BOINC/ ~/file/' I get the following output 'read: Connection reset by peer'. I expected it to mount the BOINC-dir on the server at ~/file/.
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09:42<Txt_file>Fabrice2038: then I don't know ... sorry ... but if it works with ubuntu I think it would also work with debian
09:43<Fabrice2038>sure - ty
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09:47<vuser>Fabrice2038
09:47<vuser>what version of debian were you running?
09:48<vuser>Stable debian is usually abit behind unbuntu with kernel version and some software as it hasnt been deemed "Stable" enough
09:50<Fabrice2038>lenny
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09:51<Fabrice2038>yes i found one user solved this pb by upgrading kernel to 2.6.30...
09:52<vuser>I imagine that would be why it works on Ubuntu but not lenny
09:52<Fabrice2038>it would be nice if it's not a pb with kernel 2.6.26
09:52<vuser>1 sec...
09:52<Txt_file>if its only a problem wih ther linux kernel and not also alsa and all the stuff
09:53<vuser>would there be a problem with updating to the testing version of debian
09:54<Fabrice2038>in testing kernel is >= 2.6.30 ?
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09:56<vuser>hang on :)
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09:57<Fabrice2038>it seems available
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09:57<vuser>Debian squeeze (kernel 2.6.30
09:57<vuser>maybe higher
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09:57<vuser>do you know how to update?
09:58<vuser>edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
09:58<Fabrice2038>I'll find it (update apt.list and so on)
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09:58<vuser>find replace lenny with squeeze
09:58<vuser>and then run apt-get update
09:58<vuser>apt-get dist-upgrade
09:58<vuser>backup first :P
09:58<babilen>vuser: aptitude is the preferred package management too
09:59<babilen>vuser: and it is very wise, to upgrade apt, dpkg, aptitude *before* upgrading the rest of system
09:59<Fabrice2038>does it works most of the time ?
09:59<vuser>Babilen, Im not with the times :P, Ive always used apt-get
09:59<vuser>Fab ive went versions like that without problems before
09:59<babilen>vuser: please don't recommend it. If users switch between aptitude and apt-get they will run into problems
09:59<vuser>I went stable > Etch (which was testing) then to lenny
10:00<Fabrice2038>i always use aptitude
10:00<vuser>but listen to bab
10:00<vuser>he has more of an idea
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10:00<babilen>Fabrice2038: do get an idea of what you should do to upgrade read the Release Notes for lenny
10:00<babilen>Fabrice2038: most of the stuff applies to lenny->squeeze as well
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10:01<vuser>Babilen is aptitude a gui front ent to apt?
10:01<babilen>Fabrice2038: I am sure you'll be able to figure out what you need and what not
10:01<Fabrice2038>ok i'll try it ! thx!
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10:01<babilen>Fabrice2038: If you are in hurry and want to play with it now, *at least* upgrade dpkg, apt and aptitude prior to "aptitude dist-upgrade"
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10:02<babilen>Fabrice2038: but my recommendation would be to read the Release Notes, decide what particular things you'll need/want
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10:03<vuser>babilen, how are you with kernel soft lockups?
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10:03<Fabrice2038>ok babilen
10:03<babilen>Fabrice2038: When you make backups you likely want to include the output od 'dpkg --get-selections' in addition to the usual /home, /etc, /var, /usr/local, /srv, ... directories
10:04<babilen>vuser: We get along quite fine. Have a beer once in a while, but haven't seen each other in ages
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10:04<vuser>My Virtual server keeps freezing, I believe it could possibly be a problem with debian kernel more than the VM software., Error message shows up in dmesg as :, 1200857.281576] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#3 stuck for 1295s! [swapper:0]
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10:05<babilen>Fabrice2038: that will make it easier for you to reinstall you lenny system if something goes wrong
10:05<vuser>what is swapper?? and does the error suggest there is a problem with it?
10:05<babilen>vuser: no idea, sorry
10:06<Fabrice2038>babilen, when you say "unpgrade dpkg" do you mean upgrading the dpkg command from squeeze ?
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10:07<babilen>Fabrice2038: I meant to upgrade dpkg, apt and aptitude prior to the rest of the system
10:07<babilen>Fabrice2038: which architecture are you on?
10:07<Fabrice2038>x86
10:08<babilen>Fabrice2038: it's 4.5.4 in the release notes
10:08<babilen>Fabrice2038: why don't you at least have a look at it?
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10:09<babilen>Fabrice2038: basically "aptitude updeate;aptitude install apt, dpkg, aptitude;aptitude dist-upgrade"
10:09<babilen>Fabrice2038: if you have further questions just come back and ask
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10:10<Fabrice2038>these commands after having edited source.list ?
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10:10<babilen>Fabrice2038: yes, and do "aptitude safe-upgrade" prior to "aptitude dist-upgrade"
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10:11<Fabrice2038>ok ty
10:11<babilen>Fabrice2038: But *I* don't recommend that approach, without at least considering the other steps in the Release Notes
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10:11<babilen>Fabrice2038: Do you have pending actions?
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10:12<Fabrice2038>no
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10:17<vuser>:) just go for it :P
10:17<vuser>and blame babilen when it all goes wrong in the morning
10:17<Fabrice2038>:)
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10:18<babilen>Fabrice2038: I have chat logs ;-)
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10:19<babilen>Fabrice2038: I mean really. At least take a look at the release notes, they were written by people who tested the upgrade procedure and contain a *lot* of useful tips that still apply for lenny->squeeze
10:20<Fabrice2038>yes I see (example : do not upgrade in a X session)
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10:20<Fabrice2038>i have a lot to read !!!
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10:23<slaughterdark>!hsqldb
10:23<slaughterdark>dpkg !hsqldb
10:23<dpkg>slaughterdark: wish i knew
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10:26<slaughterdark>!gdb squeeze
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10:26<slaughterdark>dpkg !GDB
10:26<dpkg>slaughterdark: I give up, what is it?
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10:29<slaughterdark>dpkg: nevermind i found
10:29<dpkg>slaughterdark: I give up, what is it?
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10:41<Txt_file>I have a problem with sshfs. I'm running Debian version testing/amd64. When I try to do 'sshfs -i .ssh/323 192.168.239.228:/home/txt/BOINC/ ~/file/' I get the following output 'read: Connection reset by peer'. I expected it to mount the BOINC-dir on the server at ~/file/.
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10:42<Lancien>java's pb : http://pastebin.com/mad1c737
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10:55<zedboy>This is very weird: all my files on this ext3 volume are coming up corrupted. what's going on?
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10:57<Txt_file>zedboy: backup and then e2fsck?
10:57<Vyrus001>is there a small live cd distro that is debian bassed (i.e. knoppix without all the "stuff" ?)
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10:58<zedboy>Txt_file: hmm. maybe.
10:58*zedboy is gonna check that the backup looks healthy.... [prays]
10:58<kop>!debian live
10:58<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org). Note that the live-cd doesn't currently come with a simple "install to hard disk" option (although ask me about <debootstrap>).
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10:59<kop>Vyrus001: The cool thing about debian live is you can do aptitude install foo. Of course it goes away when you reboot....
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11:00<Vyrus001>kop: yea... good point... DSL is still deb bassed yes?
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11:04<babilen>Vyrus001: another nice Debian based live CD is: http://grml.org/
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11:05<babilen>Vyrus001: I haven't tried Debian Live yet... But I like GRML and always have a amd64/x86 CD in my backpack ;-)
11:05<zedboy>whew backups seem good.
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11:08<Vyrus001>babilen: cool.. i normaly pop g4u for everything but i need to do sys recovery on a winblows box so... need to pop avast virus scan for *nix
11:09<Vyrus001>and g4u is bsd bassed so... deb -> src pack == not fun
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11:10<petemc>is pop a synonym for use?
11:10<dr|z3d>post office protocol.
11:11<dr|z3d>Oh. Sorry. Misread the q.
11:11<petemc>:)
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11:11<babilen>Vyrus001: GRML ist meant for people at home at the command line. They provide one of the best zsh configurations i have over seen (and one of the most complex as well) and GRML contains all cmd-line tools you might need
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11:11<babilen>Vyrus001: and if not, just install them with aptitude...
11:12<jon_>Hey all, I'm running Debian Lenny and having trouble resolving a hostname through ssh. How do I clear the DNS cache?
11:12<petemc>jon_: there isnt one, unless you installed one
11:12<babilen>Vyrus001: What you won't get is KDE or GNOME but rather, wmii, ion3, awesome, *box, ...
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11:12<petemc>jon_: whats the domain name you're trying to resolve?
11:13<jon_>petemc: jonathanfritz.ca
11:13<jthomas_sb_>I have a number of jails set up here, locked into thei jails with SSH. So although /web/website.com/ exists as a homedir outside of the jail, when in the jail that directory doesn't exist. This is fine for the most part, except vim wants to write to ~/.viminfo which cannot work unless we create a homedir within the jailed homedir. How can I avoid the error "E138: Can't write viminfo file ~/.viminfo! " ? I have created an /etc/vim/vimrc
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11:13<jthomas_sb_>file within the jail which should set viminfo="" (aka nothing) but its not honored.
11:13<jon_>petemc: it resolves through my web browser, but the PING and SSH commands timeout looking for it
11:13<kop>jon_: If you installed a dns server then restarting it will clear the cache.
11:13<petemc>jon_: thats odd
11:13<jon_>kop: I didn't install one - what would the package name be so that I can try in synaptic to see if it is installed?
11:14<jon_>petemc: Strange thing is, i can get to the site both ways on my windows box
11:14<petemc>jon_: whats the "through ssh" part of your question?
11:14<petemc>jon_: is windows using the same nameservers as debian?
11:14<jon_>petemc: I'm trying to get ssh access to this machine. I have a unix account, and have logged in this way before from this machine, but when i go ssh username@server, it won't resolve server
11:14<kop>jon_: There's a bunch. It's probably not your problem. cat /etc/resolv.conf to see what nameserver you're using.
11:14*arw hello
11:14<jon_>petemc: yes, they are on the same local network, but ive also tried from my school network
11:15<kop>arw: Hello
11:15<arw>:)
11:15<petemc>jon_: as per what kop said, check /etc/resolv.conf
11:15<jon_>kop: the nameserver is is listed as 192.168.1.1, which is the router that i am connected to on my wireless
11:16<kop>jon_: It probably has a nameserver. You could power cycle it.
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11:16<jon_>kop: I will try that, but like I said, it didn't work from the school network either, which has a different DNS provider. This lead me to think that it was a local caching issue
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11:16<jon_>kop: am I too far off the mark thinking that?
11:16<kop>jon_: That's where your local cache is.
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11:17<jon_>kop: so unless I installed one, I don't have a local cache that can be reset on this machine? damn
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11:17<petemc>jon_: does dig +trace jonathanfritz.ca work?
11:18<kop>jon_: Right (ish). Dhcp can cause a local cache to be buypassed, depending...
11:18<jon_>petemc: Received 17 bytes from 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1) in 59 ms
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11:18<petemc>jon_: and?
11:18<jon_>petemc: that's it
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11:20<jon_>petemc: looking in synaptic, I see that i have a package called dnsutils installed - could that be causing a problem? It doesnt say that it implements DNS persay, but that it provides utilities related to DNS
11:21<petemc>no
11:21<petemc>thats not the problem
11:21<petemc>put another nameserver in resolv.conf , if that works, you've identified your problem
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11:22<jon_>can i use the one that the router is using directly?
11:22<bja>jon_: are you running any programs that are consuming a large amount of your bandwith?
11:22<petemc>jon_: you can use any one that will do recursive lookups for you
11:22<jon_>bja: not on this machine, no. I share this network with my roommates, but we have a second network for high bandwidth applications. this one is strictly for web browsing
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11:23<bja>jon_: did you try using the ip directly on your ssh?
11:23<jon_>petemc: resolv.conf claims that it will overwrite any handwritten changes. can i just edit it with nano, or is there a 'correct' way to do it?
11:23<jon_>bja: i did not, and will
11:23<petemc>yes
11:23<jon_>petemc: yes to what?
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11:23<petemc>yes you can edit it
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11:25<jon_>bja: I can connect directly with the ip address of the server
11:25<jon_>bja: that lends support to the idea of a dns problem?
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11:27<jon_>petemc: I added the static IP of the nameserver that the router is using to the resolv.conf, which should bypass the router. do i need to restart a service or anything for my changes to take effect?
11:27<bja>jon_: yesterday someone had a similar problem with dns caused by a saturated internet connection,
11:28<jon_>bja: that makes sense, because DNS is a UDP protocol. But that most certainly isn't the case on this line. I can see the current load from our router (using tomato) and it seems to be just me online
11:29<jon_>petemc: ok, now that i've done that revision to resolv.conf, I can resolve the name, and I have ssh access to the server
11:29<jon_>petemc: that would imply that i just need to power cycle the router to clear it's cache, yes?
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11:30<bja>jon_: DNS is port 53 TCP and if size is too large the 53 UDP is used
11:31<jon_>bja: I didn't know that. Thanks for the tip
11:31<petemc>jon_: it means that what you were using wasnt working
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11:33<jon_>petemc: so resolv.conf used to have just the router address in it, and the router would go to the DNS server and get the ip, then give it back to my machine. Since adding the static address of the DNS server to resolv.conf, I can resolve the IP, so something on the router side wasn't working correctly?
11:33<jon_>petemc: that hardly explains why I could resolve the IP through a webbrowser...
11:34<bja>larger timeouts could be a good cause
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11:38<jon_>Alright guys, thanks for your help. For now, I'll leave the static ip of the dns nameserver in my resolv.conf file, as that should prevent this problem in the future
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11:38<bja>!next
11:38<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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11:41<petemc>or until resolv.conf gets overwritten anyway
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11:51<zedboy>hmmm, e2fsck and bbq potato chips ...
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11:55<Txt_file> zedboy: come over and you can get problems with dns, ssh dvb-s and a LCD-monitor for free :D
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12:13<chaos>samba is making me cry :( who can help me config it? I want to share some folders to my other box running vista
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12:14<zedboy>chaos: very easy if all you want is anonymous access
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12:15<kop>chaos: I use the samba wiki and poke it with a stick until it works. There's also the samba irc channels. Finally, /msg ask
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12:16<chaos>zedboy: anonymous as in files i created over samba won't have user/group?
12:17<chaos>or i can only access files with permissions for "everybody"?
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12:18<Rhonda>I'm having issues since the recent xorg upgrade in squeeze. It started out with keyboard layout totally b0rked ("setxkbmap de nodeadkeys" fixed that part temporarily) but it seems like the regular x11 copy&paste isn't working at all anymore.
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12:19<Rhonda>Though I'm not sure wether it might related to my synaptics touchpad.
12:19<zedboy>chaos: no
12:20<zedboy>chaos: anonymous, as in users from the vista machine can use the samba share as guest (don't need to login with username/password)
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12:20<Rhonda>Aha!
12:20<Rhonda>external mouse works for paste!
12:21<chaos>i'm exclusive on both and i do intend to restrict samba access to the vista box's IP
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12:21<Txt_file>zedboy: I have also setup my serverbox with samba and 'guest = yes' for some folder but I can't login without a username and password
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12:23<zedboy>Txt_file: need to set 'guest ok = yes' on the individual shares you want to access
12:24<Txt_file>I set it as "guest ok = yes' on the shares
12:25<Txt_file>I just don't wanted to type the 3 keys
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12:25<zedboy>Txt_file: that was all i had to do :-) works beautifully
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12:28<Txt_file>could you check my smb.cnf? I think that somewhere in it is something that forbid to login without password
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12:31<Txt_file>my smb.conf: http://paste.debian.net/47498/
12:31<chaos>mine: paste.debian.net/47499
12:31<chaos>and it's not working
12:32<chaos>if i try to list shares from linux box in vista it says i dont have permission
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12:34<Txt_file>chaos: doesn't vista ask for a password?
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12:37<chaos>no
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12:38<chaos>it just says \\192.168.1.1 is not accessible. You might not have permission blahblah... The request is not supported.
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12:39<dr|z3d>try \\user@pass:ip
12:39<chaos>user@pass:ip? no user:pass@ip?
12:40<dr|z3d>maybe. I forget the exact syntax.
12:41<chaos>well neither work :(
12:41<dr|z3d>Assuming it works, which I vaguely recall it doing.
12:42<dr|z3d>user@ip ?
12:44<dr|z3d>Also: http://wiki.nerdylorrin.net/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=Samba
12:44<dr|z3d>See if that sheds some light.
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12:45<zedboy>chaos: the format should be \\192.168.1.1\sharename
12:45<chaos>zedboy: yay!!!
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12:46<chaos>woohoo!!!
12:46*chaos is jumping up & down
12:47<zedboy>chaos: hehe
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12:48<DarkMike_>Hey, all! :)
12:48<zedboy>chaos: i would offer you a scotch if you're in greater toronto ...
12:49<chaos>i'm about as far as possible ;) in Hungary
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12:49<chaos>but thanks nonnetheless
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12:54<chaos>well i have another small issue with samba .. i have a mount point as a subdir within the the shared folder ... is there any way to get an accurate usage report without mounting it separately?
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12:55<chaos>it's just a cosmetic issue and i can live very well without solving it ;)
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13:01<sdfv_tyv>guys, i need help! I have installed Grub2 (grub-pc) on My squeeze and now my windows cant boot. (My sister is trying to kill me, since she doesnt use linux)
13:01<sdfv_tyv>The error is: bootmgr.exe is missing. Does anyone know how to fix it?
13:02<chaos>which windblows?
13:02<sdfv_tyv>Rwindows Vista Home Premmium
13:02<dr|z3d>sdfv_tyv: Try supergrubdisk
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13:04<dr|z3d>sdfv_tyv: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/fixing-bootmgr-is-missing-error-while-trying-to-boot-windows-vista/
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13:05<sdfv_tyv>wont it remove my grub?
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13:06<sdfv_tyv>(i know this solution but i used to think that it will not let my grub work .
13:06<sney>yes, but reinstalling grub later is easier than fixing windows bootloader issues
13:06<dr|z3d>Fix Windows, then install grub.
13:08<sdfv_tyv>thanks, but even if fixing bootloader is harder, e want to know how to do it
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13:09<sdfv_tyv> do anyone know how to do it?
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13:10<sney>look the only way you can fix windows's bootloader is the way windows wants you to do it
13:10<sney>that's your only option
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13:10<sney>windows's bootloader options have about zero flexibility compared with *nix
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13:14<xeon-enouf>sdfv_tyv: install and use os-prober
13:15<xeon-enouf>also grub-mk[tab][tab] you'll see mkimage, etc
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13:24<Zathraz>hi. Running MDADM. I have a /tmp as RAID0 defined on 3 disks. One disk is failing, but not yet according to /proc/mdstat and logs on the partition used in this array
13:24<Zathraz>however /tmp is now readonly
13:24<Zathraz>is there a quick fix before I have the opportunity to swap drives?
13:24<valdyn>Zathraz: remount
13:24<valdyn>Zathraz: fsck in between
13:24<Zathraz>(replace disk). Remount does not work
13:25<Zathraz>it makes md3 write-protected
13:25<valdyn>Zathraz: the is ambigous info you are giving: ext3 automagically becomes readonly on error, but thats unrelated to the underlying raid
13:25<Zathraz>well: "makes" : read that as "states"
13:26<Zathraz>md3 : active raid0 sda6[0] sdc6[2] sdb6[1]
13:26<valdyn>Zathraz: i have never seen a raid become readonly, that doesnt make sense
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13:26<Zathraz>sdc is failing on other mds
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13:26<Zathraz>me2 :-(
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13:27<valdyn>Zathraz: the filesystem is readonly -> run fsck
13:27<Zathraz>mount displayes: /dev/md3 on /var/tmp type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
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13:28<Zathraz>fsck fixed 3 issues. then: mount -o remount /var/tmp
13:28<Zathraz>mount: block device /dev/md3 is write-protected, mounting read-only
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13:30<lucas1>hello... how can i install intel pro wireless 3945abg??
13:30<lucas1>i cant find some packages that i read in some web pages...
13:30<Zathraz>lucas1, check chipset, load kernel driver or compile a driver yourself if needed
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13:31<sdfv_tyv>xeon-enouf, i have installed os-prober, it have just this output: /dev/sda2:Windows Vista/Longhorn (loader):Windows:chain
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13:31<locklace> !iwlwifi
13:31<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net.
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13:32<sdfv_tyv>xeon-enouf, now, what i have to do?
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13:34<lucas1>ive just installed debian testing... i dont know why is apache installed is it necesary?
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13:36<dkr>because you selected web server during the install process
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13:36<dkr>no, it is not necessary
13:37<lucas1>ive download cd #1 of debian testing i havent done a netinstall
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13:38<dkr>the "net' in netinstall only refers to the method of obtaining the packages. it doesn't affect what you choose to install
13:39<lucas1>ok thanks
13:39<lucas1>and i dont know why i cant use my touchpad properly
13:40<lucas1>in windows and ubuntu i could click on the touchpad i mean i didnt have to press the buttons to do a click and i cant do it here
13:40<lucas1>i dont know how to do it
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13:40<lucas1>its really unconfortable clicking the buttons to do a click
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13:42<dkr>I'm sure it's configurable somewhere, but I've no experience with laptops or touchpads. try mouse preferences, perhaps
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13:42<valdyn>!touchpad
13:42<dpkg>well, synaptics is a driver for the touchpad on many laptops. For use in X, install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options. If it's not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". See also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html . This driver does not support X.org auto-configuration in Lenny. See also <trackpoint>.
13:43<valdyn>lupine_85: + you might want to install and use "gsynaptics"
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13:43<valdyn>oh noes, gone
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13:44<Zathraz>valdyn, any other suggestion please?
13:44<Zathraz>kind of stuck here :-(
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13:45<valdyn>Zathraz: not really, there might be something in dmesg though
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13:46<court>help, trying to mount an iPod touch on Lenny and having no luck at all, it shows up as usbdev5.6_ep81 but moutn tells me that is not a block device
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13:52<Zathraz>pitty. ty
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14:11<chaos>how do i put a package on hold without dselect? :)
14:11<locklace>aptitude hold
14:11<chaos>transcode in stable acts a bit differently than in testing and i want the old behavior ;)
14:11<chaos>thx
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14:16<lucas1>sorry again, how do i install restricted formats?
14:17<chaos>non-free?
14:17<lucas1>yeah
14:18<lucas1>ive enable them on sources.list
14:18<lucas1>but dont know what packages to install
14:18<chaos>well then apt-get update and your list will be refreshed
14:18<lucas1>in ubuntu i used to do apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
14:19<lucas1>but here theres no debian-restricted-extras...
14:19<lucas1>hehe
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14:23<chealer>lucas1: what do you mean by restricted formats?
14:26<lucas1>nevermind
14:26<lucas1>i figured it out
14:26<lucas1>ive uninstalled apache-common and now debian wants to uninstall almost all i have installed!
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14:27<dr|zed>lucas1: Funny thing, dependencies.. be careful what you uninstall. ;)
14:28<lucas1>ive uninstalled apache common
14:28<lucas1>i dont want apache
14:28<lucas1>but debian wants to uninstall everything
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14:28<dr|zed>!depends apache-common
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14:47<stuckey>When I launch mocp I get FATAL_ERROR: Can't receive value from the server.
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14:53<locklace>!lose stuckey
14:53<dpkg>stuckey: You Lose.
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15:00<locsmif>Hello again.. No matter what I do, I can't seem to be able to add background/foreground color capabilities to screen. Tput colors yields '8', but tput setb does nothing. Direct ANSI escape sequences DO work.
15:01<locsmif>Is there something different about Debian (Stable) that this happens?
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15:19<Ignaz>hi, all
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15:27<locsmif>FYI: it appears that I used 'tput setb' while I should have used 'tput setab', the same function but that *does* work. http://www.nabble.com/screen,-256color-mode-and-ssh-td15098157.html
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15:29<bzzz>hello everyone. I'm trying to use pinning. if I use lenny/squeeze the preferences (with a default lenny in apt.conf) file seems not to be working. I had to add stable/testing in preferences. my question is: we can't use release names in preferences, although its what is used in sources.list and apt.conf?
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15:29<bzed>bzzz: thats what the manpage says.
15:30<bzzz>the bred, I missed that.
15:30<bzzz>*bzed
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15:31<baye>hello
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15:31<baye>i need help
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15:31<baye>please
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15:31<casa>hello i have a problem of kernel panic, unable to mount root
15:31<casa>may i reinstall?
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15:32<casa>i can't open a console or anything else
15:32<casa>on debian lenny
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15:34<Ignaz>casa, maybe you can start from Debian install-CD, choose the repair-option and then do a fsck on your root hdd.
15:34<casa>ok i'll try
15:35<casa>rescue mode only appear, not repair
15:36<Ignaz>try it
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15:36<casa>when i install grub system don't recognize nothing
15:36<casa>so i have installed lilo
15:37<casa>it makes a new installation on recue mode again
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15:38<Ignaz>mom
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15:39<Ignaz>do you know the Ultimate Boot CD?
15:39<bzzz>bzed, thanks for your info. is there any reason why release name can't be used in preferences. upon a new release this can have some unwanted packages upgrades.
15:40<casa>ye i got it
15:40<casa>wait
15:40<casa>i may do fsck inside the root ??
15:40<Ignaz>fsck needs root privileges
15:41<casa>i'm on it
15:41<casa>don't worry
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15:41<casa>rdy now reboot?
15:42<Ignaz>yep
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15:42<flexy>Debian Sid here, I updated earlier, did reboot later (now) and the boot gets stuck. I had to magic sysrq E to get boot continue. Tried several times, but with same result. After that, boot goes forward, but naturally some of the processes has been killed... Any idea is this a bug in some package?
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15:43<flexy>The network is not up, local filesystems are not mounted...
15:44<flexy>loopback is not up
15:44<flexy>was there something else...
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15:45<lucas1>can someone giveme a hand with this? http://debian.pastebin.com/d40354a0c
15:45<flexy>can't remember now. anyway, had to start those manually to get the box up
15:45<casa>nope
15:45<casa>the same shit
15:45<casa>i think i will install windows again
15:46<casa>whit that way it works fine, but alone on the note it don't wanna work
15:46<Ignaz>hm
15:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 416] by debhelper
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15:47<flexy>Is there a way to see better what happens in boot? Logs don't really tell anything useful
15:48<flexy>or then, I can't read them right...
15:48<abrotman>!bootlog
15:48<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
15:48<lucas1>http://debian.pastebin.com/d40354a0c no one know about this?
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15:49<flexy>abrotman: OK, thanks, I'll see what happens with that. When I dare to boot again.
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15:53<locsmif>lucas1, try reinstalling gtk?
15:54<locsmif>otherwise, Nautilus may be buggy, who knows
15:54<lucas1>locsmif: what package?
15:57<locsmif>dpkg -l | awk '$2 ~ /-glib|libglib|gtk/'
15:57<dpkg>ii | awk '$2 ~ /-glib|libglib|gtk/' 3.6-11.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
15:57<locsmif>wow, heh
15:57<locsmif>Anyways, try that command for some clue on which packages to apt-get --reinstall install
15:58<locsmif>I have no idea if this will work though.
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16:01<raboof>a website is specifying 'Verdana,Arial,Tahoma' as a font, and it looks awful.
16:01<raboof>what's the easiest way to check which font firefox is choosing for me, and why it looks so bad?
16:01<raboof>(actually the normal text looks fine, but the bold is really weird)
16:02<drakeman>hey guys i have a qeustion, why when i try tu open nano as a normal user without sudo or root i get error( reading .nano_history permission denied) i just can do it using sudo or root..
16:02<drakeman>my .nano_history file the permissions are -rw-------
16:02<drakeman>the premissions for that file are ok?
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16:03<locklace>drakeman: because it's owned by root, presumably
16:03<drakeman>locklace, yes, i cannot chown to my user,
16:03<locklace>so delete it and try again
16:03<drakeman>locklace, can i erase safely that file?
16:03<locklace>yes
16:04<drakeman>locklace, thanks is working now, but why i have that file?
16:04<locklace>because you ran nano via su(do) at some point in the past
16:05<locsmif>raboof, perhaps the web developer plugin might assist
16:05<drakeman>locklace, yes something i use sude to edit files thart requires admin privileges
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16:18<raboof>some 'realtime' kernels provide the possibility to set the priority (rtprio/nice) of each IRQ handler thread separately
16:19<raboof>anyone happen to know which option/patch/.. takes care of this?
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16:25<intero>hi
16:26<incal>Anyone knows how to work a projector with Debian? It is an EPSON, everything is connected but it says "No Signal"
16:26<Ignaz>hi, intero
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16:27<intero>hi Ignaz
16:27<skullbox>hi all
16:27<skullbox>anyone know how to blacklist a sound card
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16:29<incal>ok, the projector is put in a monitor-like port in the laptop, so my guess is I must tell the computer not to use the display as video output but use the port, right? Do you know how to do that?
16:30<Hideo>incal: xrandr possibly
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16:35<Darkedge>dr | z3d
16:35<Darkedge>dr| z3d
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16:37<bja>Darkedge: its dr|z3d
16:38<dr|z3d>Darkedge: try typing dr<tab> until you get my name..
16:38<dr|z3d>And please don't pm me.. talk to the channel.
16:38<Darkedge>OK Sorry, I had to get your attection "somehow"
16:39<Darkedge>Can someone help me compile eggdrop under Debian?
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16:39<rubenmac>mac
16:40<dr|z3d>No you didn't. The entire channel's here to help you. Please do not pm me again. And no, I can't help you compile eggdrop. Consult the online docs.
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16:41<Darkedge>ok
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16:43<jimcooncat>Darkedge: http://www.egghelp.org/setup.htm
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16:44<Darkedge>*cough cough* Thanks
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16:46<jimcooncat>Darkedge: or skip the compile step, http://www.arkinex.com/guides/65/install-eggdrop-debian/
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16:53<casa>i have install it with lvm
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16:59<incal>xrand - I only find lxrandr and grandr and they require Gtk - there must be a console way to do this...?
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17:00<jimcooncat>incal -- xrand or xrandr
17:00<jimcooncat>?
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17:01<incal>sorry, xrandr
17:01<leper>hello
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17:03<incal>there are a lot of GUI:s etc but no xrandr, maybe it is off the market our what?
17:04<jimcooncat>incal: I got an xrandr package on this old Ubuntu machine
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17:07<Hideo>incal: install x11-xserver-utils
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17:09<jimcooncat>incal: found it. it's in the package "x11-xserver-utils"
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17:10*jimcooncat nods to Hideo. I'm a little slow.
17:10<Darkedge>:/
17:11<Darkedge>What does THIS mean?
17:11<Darkedge>http://pastebin.ca/1579591
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17:12<Darkedge>Anyone alive?
17:12<Darkedge>http://pastebin.ca/1579591
17:12<Darkedge>Opps,
17:13<Darkedge>I forgot no reapeating self
17:13<jimcooncat>you got no compiler.
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17:13<Darkedge>Errr. How do I get one? :P
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17:14<jimcooncat>skip the compile step, http://www.arkinex.com/guides/65/install-eggdrop-debian/
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17:16<mrgefara>good morning every body here
17:16<Darkedge>Now when I try running eggdrop. I get this:
17:16<Darkedge>and thanks for the help
17:16<mrgefara>any body here need help?
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17:17<mrgefara>im from egy
17:17<Darkedge>http://pastebin.ca/1579598
17:17<Hideo>Darkedge: you really have to work on your reading skills
17:18<jimcooncat>Darkedge: looks like you didn't configure it
17:18<Ignaz>hi, mrgefara! I'll come to you with my problems, thx ;)
17:18<Darkedge>Opps
17:18<mrgefara>ok iwaite u man
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17:18<Hideo>the link jimcooncat pasted showed how to do it, and also this is not at all related to debian
17:18<jimcooncat>mrgefara: we all would like cash, please
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17:19<jimcooncat>yeah, an #eggdrop or #tcl channel would be more appropriate
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17:19<Darkedge>Errr, When I try coppying the file
17:19<mrgefara>he guys i want any body help me to hack this site www.sec-t.com
17:19<Darkedge>It says "Permission Denied"
17:20<mrgefara>any body here can help me?
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17:20<Hideo>mrgefara: no, go away, this channel is not for that
17:20<mrgefara>oppppppps
17:20<mrgefara>im sorry man
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17:20<incal>hm, I can't even get xrandr to tell me its version, "Can't open display"
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17:21<Hideo>incal: is X running?
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17:21<jimcooncat>xrandr -v
17:21<jimcooncat>Server reports RandR version 1.1
17:22<Darkedge>Can someone just tell me how I get "compilers"?
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17:23<adb>Darkedge, what's a "compilers"?
17:23<jimcooncat>Darkedge, seems that you need some basic help before you go onto something more advanced.
17:23<Darkedge>adb: compiler
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17:23<jimcooncat>http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ch-files.html
17:24<dr|z3d>Darkedge: apt-cache search gcc |grep compiler
17:24<jimcooncat>that will teach you about permissions, so you can copy that config file over
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17:25<jimcooncat>server software like eggdrop can be a learning curve
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17:25<babilen>Darkedge: which language do you need a compiler for?
17:26<Darkedge>gcc
17:26<Darkedge>cc
17:26<Darkedge>cc
17:26<Darkedge>cl
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17:26<Darkedge>Either one of ^^^^
17:27<dr|z3d>!enter
17:27<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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17:27<babilen>Darkedge: you want to compile a language named 'gcc' ?
17:27<Darkedge>No
17:27<Darkedge>It's eggdrop, It says it needs either of those to compile
17:27<babilen>Darkedge: ok, i guess the problem is solved then
17:28<bja>apt-get install gcc
17:28<Darkedge>alredy done that,
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17:28<babilen>Darkedge: rather 'aptitude install build-essential'
17:28<Darkedge>To late
17:29<adb>Darkedge, aptitude install eggdrop
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17:29<dkay>:( i wont get happy with my ntfs drive. ntfs-3g ntfsprogs is installed but it wont mount my hd!
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17:30<Darkedge>What should I do to help get rid of my fear of files being written?
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17:30<Darkedge>Because on Windows I used Deep Freeze
17:30<Darkedge>But on Debian
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17:31<incal>X is not running, I don't think I even have it
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17:33<Hideo>incal: any particular reason why you don't have X installed on a laptop?
17:33<dr|z3d>incal: try: startx
17:33<dr|z3d>Anything happen?
17:33<incal>"command not found"
17:35<babilen>Darkedge: You are afraid of files being written?
17:35<Darkedge>Sadly, Yes
17:36<babilen>Darkedge: Why?
17:36<Hideo>well damn, everything is a file in linux
17:36<Darkedge>Viruses, Stuff being left behind when uninstalling,
17:36<Darkedge>So on
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17:37<babilen>Darkedge: I would not worry about that on Debian.
17:38<Darkedge>What about files being left behind?
17:38<Darkedge>n stuff?
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17:41<rudi_s>Darkedge: That's what packet managers are for, normally all files are removed when you uninstall (purge).
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17:43<ml|>Darkedge: use aptitude purge instead of remove and aptitude purge ~c to remove any config files from packages removed previously man aptitude
17:45<incal>wow, the projector works with X! Cool, thanks, sadly not with bash but I guess X can be configured so not to look that boring, agian thanks
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17:49<Ignaz>incal, install a desktop-environment/window-manager like GNOME, KDE or enlightenment and it surely doesn't "look that boring"
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18:02<dpalacio>Hi, I want to run x2x without ssh but the target computer is behind a paranoic switch. do you know which ports must I forward to the target?
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18:06<acu>what happened with daily built ? It does not start the installation on amd64 http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ is there a weekly (instead of daily ?
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18:08<adb>acu, use lenny image instead
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18:09<acu>why?
18:09<acu>abd: i want to install squeeze what happended
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18:10<valdyn>acu: you should be surprised when the testing installer works, not when it does not
18:11<acu>:)
18:11<acu>my question is whether there is a weekly one (which it used to work)
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18:12<acu>so I have to wait until tommorrow ?
18:12<acu>tomorrow ?
18:12<valdyn>acu: no, you should use the lenny installer
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18:12<dutchfish>acu, build one yourself, simple-cdd
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18:13<brainsonfire>hi, i have a general linux question: i want to delete 2 partitions sda1 (recovery) and sda2 (vista, boot partition with grub installed) and install debian. but i have 2 other linux systems at sda5 and sda6, + a home partition on sda7. if i delete sda1 and sda2 (and reinstall grub) will that break my other 2 linux systems? can i fix it by just editing fstab?
18:13<valdyn>brainsonfire: it will break grub
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18:13<RabidMushroom>Hello all, I got a bit of a problem booting my debian lenny server, can anyone help me out?
18:13<brainsonfire>yes i will have to reinstall grub
18:13<acu>dutchfish; I am not so smart as you are - last time a throurouh IQ was done on me was long ago
18:13<acu>rabid: just ask
18:13<brainsonfire>but after that will i be able to boot?
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18:14<acu>rabidmushroom: here people know their stuff - they are not jokers (with the exception of few)
18:14<valdyn>brainsonfire: yes, if your partitioning tool does not renumber the partitions
18:14<valdyn>brainsonfire: fdisk would do the right thing
18:14<RabidMushroom>I moved everything on SSD, and formatted it with ext4, so I have old files and everything on new partition.
18:14<acu>so what
18:15<RabidMushroom>I got /boot on /dev/sda1 and everything on an lvm volume in /dev/sda2
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18:15<brainsonfire>valdyn: but what if i delete sda1 and sda2 and create just one partition there
18:15<brainsonfire>wont sda3 be renamed sda2?
18:15<valdyn>brainsonfire: same deal
18:15<valdyn>brainsonfire: not by itself
18:15<RabidMushroom>now, when I tried to add option that sets io scheduler (elevator=noop) in /etc/default/grub (I have grub2)
18:15<brainsonfire>so i end up with sda1, sda3, etc...?
18:16<acu>RabidMushroom: I am perhaps least qualified for this stuff - but I think you cannot have the boot on lvm
18:16<valdyn>brainsonfire: yes
18:16<brainsonfire>i hope your right lol
18:16<valdyn>acu: grub2 can boot from lvm
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18:16<RabidMushroom>acu: I don't have /boot on lvm it resides on a separate ext2 /dev/sda1 partition
18:16<RabidMushroom>acu: I've got everything else on lvm
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18:17<acu>here you are geniuses on action valdyn is the man - listen to him carefully
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18:17<acu>I have to leave now (I am hungry) but be sure if you ask the question right - you get the answer rabid
18:18<RabidMushroom>So now the system doesn't boot and I get an error "Ext3fs" dm-0: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240)
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18:18<RabidMushroom>but when I try to mount manually using mount -t ext4 everything works
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18:18<valdyn>RabidMushroom: if you had only read the docs you are supposed to read when migrating to ext4
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18:18<brainsonfire>valdyn: ty
18:18<bzzz>!pinning
18:18<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
18:18<brainsonfire>one more thing, does debian's default grub support ext4?
18:18-!-thomas1099 [~thomas@HSI-KBW-085-216-018-084.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #debian
18:18<valdyn>RabidMushroom: your kernel needs: "rootfstype=ext4"
18:19<acu>sorry Rabid I have to leave - but trust me these people are good
18:19<acu>see you around
18:19<RabidMushroom>valdyn: I read *some* docs, and I changed fstab options
18:19<RabidMushroom>valdyn: that's grub parameter?
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18:19<valdyn>RabidMushroom: thats a kernel parameter
18:19<RabidMushroom>valdyn: but I should pass it via grub
18:19<brainsonfire>yes
18:19<valdyn>RabidMushroom: yes, but - is /boot on ext4 too?
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18:20<RabidMushroom>valdyn: as in /etc/defaults/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="rootfstype=ext4"
18:20<RabidMushroom>valdyn: NO, /boot is ext2
18:20<valdyn>RabidMushroom: yea
18:20<valdyn>RabidMushroom: alright then
18:20<RabidMushroom>valdyn: so for some reason it worked for some time without the parameter you mentioned
18:20<RabidMushroom>valdyn: Okay, I'll give it a try, be back in a sec
18:21<valdyn>RabidMushroom: *some* reason being that you didnt have extents enabled?
18:21<brainsonfire>does debian's grub support ext4?
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18:21<valdyn>brainsonfire: i dont think so
18:21<brainsonfire>k
18:21<RabidMushroom>valdyn: I don't remember enabling anything expicitly but that might be the case when I ran update-grub
18:21<valdyn>brainsonfire: grub certainly not - grub2 might
18:21<brainsonfire>but does debian ship with grub2?
18:22<RabidMushroom>brainsonfire: I got /boot partition on ext2, so that should not be a problem
18:22<valdyn>brainsonfire: grub is the default
18:22<brainsonfire>ah
18:22<brainsonfire>ok nice
18:22<RabidMushroom>brainsonfire: No I updated to grub2 a while ago
18:22<dutchfish>grub2 is now in squeeze the default btw
18:22<brainsonfire>ok ty all
18:22<brainsonfire>i gtg
18:22<brainsonfire>bye
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18:23<raboof>what's a good application to browse the fonts available on my system?
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18:24<valdyn>RabidMushroom: waterfall
18:24<valdyn>oops
18:24<RabidMushroom>valdyn: Okay, rootfstype=grub2 did the trick. Thanks. By the way, could you point me to the documentation.
18:24<valdyn>RabidMushroom: thats a typo i hope
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18:25<RabidMushroom>valdyn: sorry type
18:25<RabidMushroom>valdyn: *typo
18:25<RabidMushroom>valdyn: end of the day, I should really go home
18:25<RabidMushroom>valdyn: I meant rootfstype=ext4
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18:26<valdyn>RabidMushroom: http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4 , "3. How to use Ext4"
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18:27<RabidMushroom>valdyn: Thanks, I was looking at the documentation on debian.org and as it seems it was incomplete.
18:27<valdyn>RabidMushroom: I see
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18:28<RabidMushroom>valdyn: Or I just scanned it too quickly and didn't notice the blurb about rootfstype option
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18:32<RabidMushroom>Thatnks for everyones help, and good bye.
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19:13<casa>hello adb
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19:16<adb>hello leper
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19:26<eletronicavieira>debian como eu pude ficar tanto tempo sem conhecer
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19:26<casa>english please
19:26<eletronicavieira>no portuguese
19:27<adb>!br
19:27<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:27<eletronicavieira>ok
19:28<casa>y si hablamos en español?
19:28<casa>xD!
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19:28<casa>just joking don't get mad
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19:35<deniz>I added the following to my xorg.conf file and I still cannot use ctrl + alt + backspace to restart xorg: http://pastebin.com/m65e342fc
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19:45<dkay>hello, #debian. now ive installed wine and was try to run an windows application but it wont work
19:46<cwood_>That often happens with wine -- try looking the app up on winehq.com to see how compatible it is?
19:46<dkr>that's why I dual boot debian and xp. :)
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19:47<dkay>and here is the paste http://dpaste.com/98387/
19:47<dkay>counter strike source is compatible
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19:48<dkay>what i have to do with the x server
19:48<dkay>how to configure an x server argh : )
19:49<cwood_>Have you searched google for the error messages you've received?
19:49<dkay>honestly, i have had an x server problem before, and wasnt able to fix
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19:49<dkay>grml, what do i need to download?
19:49<casa>wich one is better crossover or wine?
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19:50<dkay>dont know wine and dont know crossover
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19:50<adb>dkay, run "wine" as user
19:50<dkay>its my furst time
19:50<dkay>first*
19:50<dkay>ok adb
19:51<dkay>argh, it tells me wrong .exe format
19:52<dkay>actually it is an .msi
19:52<dkay>is there another app for that? SteamInstall_German.msi
19:53<dkay>its just another windows loader.
19:53<dkay>.msi or .exe are exectuables
19:53<adb>dkay, ask in #winehq on irc.freenode
19:53<adb>irc.freenode.net
19:53<dkay>okay
19:54<dkay>:)
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19:54<dkay>there is not only one member in winehq :)
19:54<dkay>and i am on irc.freenode.net
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19:55<Hideo>are you sure? I just joined that channel, there are 162 people
19:56<adb>dkay, nah , #winehq 1 ops , 162 total .
19:57<dkay>on irc.freenode.net?
19:57<Hideo>yes
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19:58<dkay>wow, i am connected with irc.debian.org !
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19:58<dkay>normally i connect from freenode :) thans
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19:59<adb>!customer
19:59<dpkg>A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed!
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21:03<user01>anyone at olf now? :)
21:04<user01>my car broke driving there :(
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21:31<casa>i have problems when i install my broadcom, remove my mouse pad, of my mouse, on debian lenny
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21:34<adb> /msg dpkg broadcom
21:34<adb> /msg dpkg selftell
21:34<leper>yes but it remove my mouse pad
21:34<leper>the broadcom works good
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21:35<adb>what ? broadcom remove the mouse pad ?
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21:35<leper>yes is the only thing that i can think
21:35<leper>twice happened
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21:35<leper>and both after install broadcom
21:35<leper>and kde 4.3.1 don't recognize webcam
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21:36<adb> hey , step by step ... not all as same time ..
21:37<leper>ok =) so sorry
21:37<leper>i will install the broadcom again
21:37<adb>why ?
21:37<leper>and tell you if still removes
21:37<leper>cuz i format because i erase windows from my laptop
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21:37<leper>xD!
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21:38<adb>that not nake sense ..
21:38<adb>*make
21:39<adb>anyways , to late for me , good luck
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22:03<ehren>exit
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22:07<ehren>hello, I have to run gsynaptics-init every time I start my system to enable touch pad tapping. I've tried adding this to .xsession so I don't have to do it manually but no luck... any suggestions?
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22:09<ehren>should I be using cron?
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22:16<tangke>to ehren: my notebook has no gsynaptics-init commands but the touchpad works fine
22:17<ehren>tangke: mine worked fine for a while too but an update months ago seemed to break things
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22:18<tangke>yes ,if you update the system, your system will crash usually
22:21<ehren>actually I've had pretty good luck with unstable on my laptop (except) for this. I did just brick my desktop upgrading grub...but that's because I'm an idiot ;)
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22:52<Darkedge>!brb
22:52<dpkg>darkedge: brb, too. Be Right Back
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23:10<ezequiel>hola
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23:28<FedeFrede>hmm, linux is NOT ready for desktops n laptops, it took me 1 hour to install a program, coz u know... depends on blah and blah depends on blah and blah blah depends on blah blah blah blah blah it's kinda UGH ?
23:29<FedeFrede>huff
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23:30<sney>!sunday
23:30<dpkg>Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
23:31<sney>I guess sunday has come early.
23:32<sney>FedeFrede: in the 1% possibility of you being serious, I encourage you to look up something called apt. it handles all of that "depends on" stuff for you. it's basically the functional core of every debian system.
23:32<sney>but you might have more luck with your troll in the lfs or slackware channels, their package management is not quite as robust as ours :)
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23:33<FedeFrede>hehhh, im not a troll really.... i just bought n eee pc with linux installed... ;)
23:33<FedeFrede>apt-get only works if all the urls are ok
23:33<FedeFrede>O_o
23:34<FedeFrede>wel mine works preatty well, synaptic too
23:34<FedeFrede>l
23:34<FedeFrede>but... eh
23:34<FedeFrede>nm
23:34<sney>if you're getting a lot of 404s while trying to install or upgrade your packages, you probably haven't done an update in a while, or you picked a real doozy of a debian mirror
23:34<gsimmons>FedeFrede: You are using Xandros, not Debian. Ask for support in #eeepc on irc.freenode.net.
23:35<sney>xandros is debian based? huh, didn't know that
23:35<sney>all I knew is it was kind of crap
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23:35*sney is running debian squeeze on his eeePC
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23:36<FedeFrede>xandros is debian... a debian "fork" debian packages work just fine, but if u keep installing them they will , erm screw up your system :P
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23:36<FedeFrede>but......... it's fast on the eee
23:37<FedeFrede>so if you are carefull
23:37<FedeFrede>it can be a great os for your eee
23:37<sney>as far as hardware support goes, linux is linux, so one distro will generally not be significantly faster than the other
23:37<FedeFrede>optimized for a system .. drivers... hellooooooooo ?
23:38<FedeFrede>and im not even a geek :P
23:38<sney>that's the kernel's job. the kernel is just linux, xandros/debian/ubuntu/gentoo/redhat etc peopl didn't have much to do with it
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23:38<FedeFrede>ok
23:38<FedeFrede>mm
23:39<k1lumin4t1>any good massive instalation method?
23:40<FedeFrede>well i love my ee.. what distro would be no 1 ?
23:40<sney>anyway if you want to complain about xandros, there's a better place for that; if you want to get better support and a broader base of software to install on your eee, stick around and also visit #debian-eeepc, they have a custom install image specifically made for that netbook
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23:40<sney>k1lumin4t1: identical hardware?
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23:40<vortek>hello
23:40<sney>like a bunch of workstations that are all the same?
23:40<k1lumin4t1>sney, so so
23:40<sney>hmm
23:40<k1lumin4t1>sney, not quite identical but similar
23:40<sney>well, partimage is pretty great
23:41<k1lumin4t1>sney, what about FAI?
23:41<sney>kinda like norton ghost only more free software-y
23:41<sney>not familiar with that one
23:41<k1lumin4t1>yes, I gotcha
23:41<k1lumin4t1>there's a ghost for linux, actually
23:41<vortek>im reading this howto for wireless and im confused as to what they mean for network name? here an example iface eth1 inet dhcp
23:41<vortek> wireless-ssid mynetworkname
23:42<vortek>any ideas?
23:42<sney>yes
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23:42<gsimmons>vortek: It is the SSID used in your wireless network.
23:42<petemc>vortek: ssid, the name of the wireless networl
23:42<sney>that's the ssid of your wireless network, usually it's something like linksys or netgear if you didn't set up your router
23:42<FedeFrede>sney i know those custom install images, but im kinda getting into linux now, u see... i installed "advanced disktop" it's kindaaaa... debian + kde
23:42<FedeFrede>right now im trying to find packages for my nokia
23:42<FedeFrede>nm
23:43<vortek>oh i was confused thought it wanted the ssid and networkname heh
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23:43<FedeFrede>desktop even
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23:43<shawn>Whats the main difference between Ubuntu and Debian?
23:43<sney>well I'm sure you'll figure it out. just try not to troll the support channels too much
23:43<sney>speaking of sunday coming early
23:43<sney>!ubuntu
23:43<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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23:44<sney>short answer: ubuntu is like debian's younger, less scrupulous sibling. it shares a lot of the same stuff, but it hasn't been around for as long, and it doesn't care much about the morals of the thing
23:44<sney>and it has fewer friends
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23:45<shawn>sney Why are there so many more people using Ubuntu then?
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23:46<sney>lots of reasons. but primarily dell and the fact that ubuntu markets specifically towards the elderly and other sorts who don't know how to computer
23:46<petemc>lower barrier to entry
23:46<sney>it's a neat trick because it presents people who didn't know they even had a choice with something that has nice colors and is shiny
23:47<sney>if you like brown, anyway.
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23:47<petemc>one of the things i like about debian is the lack of marketing
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23:57<FedeFrede>mm.. give us more gui's ala ubuntu/kbuntu
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