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02:12<xeon-enouf>you have an out of place TAB stop there
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02:23<Tuplad>jm_ :o !
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02:42<Yoda-BZH`Wk>matin/hi
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03:02<NPD>hello
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03:02<NPD>I had a quick question, thought I'd ask here for some help
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03:11<Tuplad>In Linux, I started GParted and shrunk 20-30gb from a NTFS partition where I store music etc. in Windows(I dual boot), and made a new ext3 partition out of it. When I booted to Windows, the D: drive was not accessible, I guessed gparted messed up and tagged it as ext3 partition. Here, they recommended me to use testdisk to recover the partition, so I did. Once I restarted, the new 20gb partition was added back to the ntfs one, I lost 70gb partitio
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03:23<Tuplad>;(
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03:25<jm_>Tuplad: are you sure a wrong partition type prevented windows from accessing it?
03:25<xeon-enouf>Tuplad: Ext'd/Logical DOS partitions are not a good thing ;-) testdisk has a nice util called 'photorec'
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03:26<xeon-enouf>Tuplad: yeah, check the partition IDs first - also do "file -s /dev/hdaX" for each partition
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03:26<Tuplad>jm_: yes, I checked it out with testdisk and all the files where there
03:26<jm_>Tuplad: well you can easily change just the type with fdisk
03:27<xeon-enouf>or parted ;-)
03:27*xeon-enouf doesn't like GUI tools for this :-p
03:27<Tuplad>jm_: that's what I thought, but people in this room insisted I use testdisk, so I did :<
03:27<Tuplad>xeon-enouf: how to check partition ids ?
03:27<xeon-enouf>caveat emptor?
03:27<jm_>Tuplad: uhh that would be far more invasive change in general
03:27<xeon-enouf>Tuplad: fdisk, cfdisk, sfdisk, parted ...
03:27<jm_>fdisk -l will list them
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03:28<Tuplad>oh another thing
03:28<Tuplad>when I boot up
03:28<Tuplad>I get /dev/sda8 error and it asks to check the disk manually or to continue
03:28<Tuplad>but if I try to check it, it says it doesn't exist
03:28<Tuplad>yet, the error says it is not a recognizable ext3 partition
03:28<Tuplad>so I just ctrl+d and continue bootup
03:28<jm_>run file -s on all of them
03:28<xeon-enouf>Tuplad: do you have another HDD there?
03:29<Tuplad>http://pastebin.ca/1582251
03:29<Tuplad>xeon-enouf: only one.
03:29<xeon-enouf>a spare? empty, or one you can use to store data
03:29<xeon-enouf>ok
03:29<jm_>you don't even have sda8
03:29<Tuplad>xeon-enouf: no, I only had a bunch of partitions, but just 1 hdd
03:29<Tuplad>jm_: indeed, but at bootup it gives an error about /dev/sda8
03:30<jm_>Tuplad: check your fstab
03:30<xeon-enouf>ouch
03:31<Tuplad>http://pastebin.ca/1582254 /dev/sda8 seems to be my "storage", the 70gb of music in Linux that I'm talking about
03:31<xeon-enouf>Tuplad: did you ever have a suspend/resume working? "sudo rgrep -i resume /etc" or replace resume with 'sda'
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03:32<xeon-enouf>/dev/sda2 4845 19325 116318632+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA) <--the cause of most woes with Disks and windows users ;-)
03:32<Tuplad>xeon-enouf: that's a huge output
03:33<Tuplad>xeon-enouf: http://pastebin.ca/1582260
03:33<xeon-enouf>Tuplad: hrm, shouldn' be - try it on just /etc/initramfs/
03:33<xeon-enouf>crap
03:33<xeon-enouf>Tuplad: hrm, shouldn' be - try it on just /etc/initramfs-tools/
03:34<jm_>Tuplad: what does kernel say when it prints partitions?
03:34<xeon-enouf>got it
03:34<xeon-enouf>30. /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume:RESUME=/dev/sda6
03:34<Tuplad>jm_: hmm, what you mean ?
03:34<jm_>Tuplad: dmesg output
03:34<jm_> sda: sda1 sda2
03:34<jm_>after it says Attached SCSI disk
03:34<jm_>actually before
03:34<Tuplad>jm_: http://pastebin.ca/1582262
03:35<xeon-enouf>119. /etc/fstab:/dev/sda8 /mnt/storage ext3 defaults 0 2 ~
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03:35<Tuplad>jm_: sda1 sda2 < sda5 sda6 sda7 > sda3 sda4
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03:35<Tuplad>xeon-enouf: what would that mean ?
03:35<xeon-enouf>yep, sda2 is an ext'd which holds sda5,6,7 as logicals
03:36<xeon-enouf>Tuplad: i'm working on it ;-) ...easy
03:36<Tuplad>xeon-enouf: sda2 also held /dev/sda8
03:36<jm_>Tuplad: so you don't have sda8 at all
03:36<Tuplad>jm_: had ;( now it's unallocated space
03:36<Tuplad>jm_: https://photos-1.getdropbox.com/i/o/TMD0bFvFPP4A58zKJwXxTXYuE7blKAWrbbKiLQtltss the 66gb is /dev/sda8
03:36<Tuplad>jm_: the greyed out
03:37<xeon-enouf>Tuplad: when i asked about other Disks, you said just 1, i see in fdisk, a 500GB /dev/sdf :-p
03:38<Tuplad>xeon-enouf: external hdd :$ listening to some music
03:38<jm_>Tuplad: that's why one should always make backups before resizing
03:38<Tuplad>jm_: yeah :(
03:38<xeon-enouf>/etc/fstab:/dev/sda8 /mnt/storage ext3 defaults 0 2 <--comment that out
03:38<Tuplad>jm_: it only contained music, and I've made a backup the 6th of september, but still, there were some new files which I'd love to restore :p
03:39<jm_>Tuplad: well that's even better, but at least backup of partition tables
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03:39<Tuplad>xeon-enouf: done
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03:39<Tuplad>jm_: I should indeed. I just blindly followed the advice that was given to me.
03:39<Tuplad>jm_: but even then, I didn't have an idea how. big learning curve :p
03:40<jm_>Tuplad: it would probably be recoverable if you stopped writing to this device as soon as you noticed things are not right
03:40<Tuplad>jm_: I didn't notice anything :^)
03:41<Tuplad>jm_: it all looked okay to me...
03:41<Tuplad>jm_: I noticed it when I restarted the computer
03:41<jm_>Tuplad: even when you didn't see your 66G partition etc.?
03:41<Tuplad>jm_: everything was ok, partitions were working, when I restarted, they were gone
03:41<xeon-enouf>i see a gap between sda3 end and sda4 start
03:41<jm_>Tuplad: yes that's the point where you could recover
03:42<Tuplad>jm_: :o but really, there were no signs of faults
03:42<Tuplad>jm_: no visual sights atleast
03:42<Tuplad>xeon-enouf: is that a good or a bad thing ?
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03:42<xeon-enouf>Tuplad: depends .. likely not good
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03:46<xeon-enouf>ok, so; /dev/sda3 19326 20541 9767520 83 Linux <--doesn't correspond with->
03:46<xeon-enouf>$ sudo file -s /dev/sda3 /dev/sda3: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x83, starthead 254, startsector 63, 158400837 sectors; partition 2: ID=0x5, starthead 254, startsector 154786275, 50508360 sectors, extended partition table, code offset 0x0
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03:48<basicgeek>hi all
03:48<xeon-enouf>jm_: do you know offhand how to make either hexdump or xxd (or any hex tool) to jump/skip to an exact Byte location, then start reading? i recall xxd can do it, but IIRC, the LBA messes it up, or the 8.4G boundary, hence it doesn't read any further beyond that
03:49<jm_>xeon-enouf: well hexdump has -s switch here, does your version not have it?
03:50<xeon-enouf>Tuplad: i'd like you to pastebin output of "sudo parted /dev/sda" then hit 'h' (help), then 'u' (Units), then 'b' (Bytes), then 'p' (Print)
03:50<Tuplad>oh hey, your work is appreciated :]
03:50<xeon-enouf>Tuplad: then 'q' to quit
03:50<Tuplad>ok
03:51<xeon-enouf>jm_: ahh yes, here too .. ok, thanks
03:51<basicgeek>Do you know how I could retrieve the framebuffer resolutions my videocard supports ?
03:51<jm_>xeon-enouf: otherwise I would just use dd and its skip option
03:51<Tuplad>xeon-enouf: http://pastebin.ca/1582271
03:51<xeon-enouf>jm_: aye ... just a bit tricky ;-)
03:52<xeon-enouf>basicgeek: hrm.. cvt or gtf .. hrm,
03:52<basicgeek>?
03:52<basicgeek>I don't understand
03:52*xeon-enouf forgets if get-edid | parse-edid prints that info
03:53<jm_>that would returns modes that monitor supports (when it works)
03:53<xeon-enouf>basicgeek: man gtf
03:53<xeon-enouf>NAME
03:53<xeon-enouf> gtf - calculate VESA GTF mode lines
03:53<xeon-enouf>use -f
03:53<basicgeek>ok
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03:54<xeon-enouf>i found that cvt works better here though
03:54<xeon-enouf>jm_: right, EDID is sometimes buggy :-p
03:55<basicgeek>xeon-enouf: in which package can I found gtf and cvt ?
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03:56<jm_>xeon-enouf: I haven't quite figured out why it doesn't work for me, might be nvidia driver
03:57<xeon-enouf>jm_: true dat
03:57<xeon-enouf>basicgeek: /msg dpkg search
03:57<jm_>I shall ask my bro to try it with intel driver
03:57<Tuplad>xeon-enouf: anything useful in the parted output?
03:57<xeon-enouf>Tuplad: yep
03:57<Tuplad>xeon-enouf: what's the situation looking like ?
03:57<jm_>Tuplad: there's a huge gap where 66G free is, just as seen in your GUI output
03:58<xeon-enouf>basicgeek: xserver-xorg-core: /usr/bin/cvt
03:58<Tuplad>jm_: what would that mean ?
03:58<xeon-enouf>basicgeek: same for gtf
03:58<basicgeek>xeon-enouf: unfortunately, I'd like to stay away from X
03:58<jm_>Tuplad: well that it's not allocated to any of the partitions, hard to say how the correct output should be
03:59<xeon-enouf>jm_: check this; shouldn't sda5 start be the same as sda2 start? http://pastebin.ca/1582271
03:59<Tuplad>jm_: hmm... does that mean the information is lost ?
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03:59<xeon-enouf>Tuplad: easy .. go slow ... trust me ;-)
03:59<Tuplad>xeon-enouf: ok :p
03:59<xeon-enouf>relax
03:59<basicgeek>I'd like to use the framebuffer to avoid using X, but I need to know whether my video card can display 1680x1050 in the framebuffer. If it can't, then I'll turn to X.
04:00<xeon-enouf>Tuplad: i'd like t=o bounce some thoughts off others before saying "Here, do this ..."
04:00<xeon-enouf>that is, if they want to participate
04:00<xeon-enouf>basicgeek: ahh, the real question ;-)
04:00<Tuplad>I understand :)
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04:01<jm_>xeon-enouf: hmm I am not sure right now, and I don't have any to check here
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04:01<jm_>basicgeek: it's quite unlikely that it can't
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04:02<xeon-enouf>basicgeek: might want to look at using uvesafb - check this too - (only real way to know is to test) http://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-bios-extensions?cat=technology scrolldown
04:02<xeon-enouf>jm_: fair enough - thanks
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04:03<Tuplad>OH CRAP... I have to run, school starts in half an hour! will be back in 3 hours!
04:03<basicgeek>xeon-enouf: I read that uvesafb isn't able to deal with non 4:3 resolutions
04:03<Tuplad>jm_ xeon-enouf: catch you later !
04:03<xeon-enouf>Tuplad: huh? .. oh heh
04:04<xeon-enouf>ok
04:04<xeon-enouf>will post some info
04:04<xeon-enouf>basicgeek: i wasn't aware
04:04<Tuplad>xeon-enouf: I'll stay online, just pm if you want :)
04:04<xeon-enouf>Tuplad: sure
04:04<xeon-enouf>Tuplad: if you have 5 min, we can try something quick ...
04:04<xeon-enouf>if not, ol
04:05<xeon-enouf>ok even
04:05<jm_>xeon-enouf: ok found one system where first logical driver in ext. partition also starts at an offset, so that looks OK to me
04:05<xeon-enouf>jm_: righto - thanks
04:06<jm_>gah I always type driver ;)
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04:07<basicgeek>xeon-enouf: in http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/fb/uvesafb.txt, it says : "A strict and limited set of supported video modes. Often the native or most optimal resolution/refresh rate for your setup will not work with uvesafb, simply because the Video BIOS doesn't support the video mode you want to use. This can be especially painful with widescreen panels, where native video modes don't have the 4:3 aspect ratio, which is
04:07<basicgeek>most BIOS-es are limited to."
04:08<xeon-enouf>ahh something like "resize 5 39843256320 144954109439"
04:08<xeon-enouf>in parted
04:09<xeon-enouf>now, the last N there (144954109439) might be incorrect, just using what's printed for that, .. i say incorrect cause there's also a gap between 144954109439 (sda5 end) and (sda6 start) 144954141696
04:10<xeon-enouf>and sda6 is his RESUME partition, Swap
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04:11<xeon-enouf>same situation for end of sda6 and start of sda7, they should be 1byte diff only
04:12<xeon-enouf>now, sda7 end and sda3 start looks correct
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04:13<xeon-enouf>basicgeek: could toy with options (parm) listed from "~$ modinfo uvesafb" output
04:13<basicgeek>ok
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04:14<xeon-enouf>BTW, anyone use "modconf" to set module options?
04:14<xeon-enouf>(recalls bumping into it lately)
04:15<jm_>not me for sure
04:15<xeon-enouf>heh ;-0
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04:22<basicgeek>I have a debian question
04:23<basicgeek>why don't I have the framebuffer compiled in the kernel or as a module ?
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04:23<basicgeek>when I installed debian it was there, and then I did a dist upgrade and it's not there anymore
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04:24<jm_>basicgeek: how do you know it's not there?
04:24<basicgeek>my issue is that my only linux machine is a EEEPC, and can't compile a kernel on it (too much time)
04:24<jm_>I'm pretty sure debian kernels have it as a module
04:24<basicgeek>jm_: I looked at /boot/config-2.6.30-1-686
04:25<basicgeek>there is no CONFIG_FB = y/m line
04:25<basicgeek>hum
04:25<basicgeek>no
04:25<basicgeek>there is
04:25<basicgeek>yesterday I was looking at it and some important line was missing
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04:31<basicgeek>forget what I said
04:31<basicgeek>it's all there
04:31<jm_>sure ;)
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04:31<basicgeek>but I don't have any /dev/fbX
04:31<xeon-enouf>ugh
04:31<jm_>you need to load the modules I guess
04:31<xeon-enouf>basicgeek: if you use a vga=NNN boot param, you still have no /dev/fbX ?
04:32<basicgeek>I'll try
04:32<xeon-enouf>$ ll /dev/fb0
04:32<jm_>basicgeek: did you check eeepc wiki/channel?
04:32<xeon-enouf>crw-rw---- 1 root video 29, 0 2009-09-27 11:33 /dev/fb0
04:32<xeon-enouf>root=/dev/hda2 ro acpi=force vga=791
04:32<xeon-enouf>see my /proc/cmdline there?
04:33<basicgeek>jm_: didn't know there was one
04:33<xeon-enouf>then, in dmesg, you should | grep -i vesa
04:34<jm_>!eeepc
04:34<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860 eee>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net.
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04:34<xeon-enouf>basicgeek: egrep 'FB|FRAME|CONSOLE' /boot/config-`uname -r`
04:34<xeon-enouf>will show you the needed VGA info
04:34<xeon-enouf>which =y in Debian kernels
04:35<basicgeek>ok
04:35<basicgeek>I did a reboot using vga=0x301, and I have /dev/fb0, thanks a lot
04:35<xeon-enouf>;-)
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04:36<basicgeek>jm_: thanks for the info, I'm going to read the wiki
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04:38<xeon-enouf>jm_: i gave the info i posted above to Tuplad to them in PM, and much more (dd, and sfdisk backup/restore commands ;-))
04:39<xeon-enouf>jm_: i've used parted in that manner prior to save my own muckups - so i'm fairly confident, it should work out - atleast for his 2nd NTFS partition; the D:\ drive, heh
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04:39<jm_>xeon-enouf: but isn't his issue that he lost ext3 partition?
04:39<xeon-enouf>jm_: not really - that was secondary
04:40<jm_>xeon-enouf: I understood it in the opposite way ;)
04:40<xeon-enouf>" ... When I booted to Windows, the D: drive was not accessible, I guessed gparted messed up and tagged it as ext3 partition. ..."
04:41<basicgeek>another non-debian question : is it possible to change the framebuffer resolution after the boot ?
04:41<xeon-enouf>jm_: heh
04:41<jm_>ok so both are an issue then
04:41<xeon-enouf>indeed
04:41<jm_>basicgeeks: try fbset
04:41<xeon-enouf>he made a mess - just trying to help clean up ;-)
04:42<xeon-enouf>basicgeek: yeah, as jm_ mentioned fbset - i think you need to get it from elsewhere?
04:42<xeon-enouf>tldp.org/VESA... howto has a URL
04:42<jm_>xeon-enouf: it is packaged
04:42<jm_>!info fbset
04:42<xeon-enouf>oh, ok - my bad then basicgeek
04:42<xeon-enouf>and jm_
04:43<dpkg>fbset: (framebuffer device maintenance program), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.1-23 (sid), Packaged size: 109 kB, Installed size: 348 kB
04:43*xeon-enouf whistles the Jeopardy theme...
04:43<xeon-enouf>judd: versions fbset
04:43<judd>xeon-enouf: fbset -- etch: 2.1-19 lenny: 2.1-23 sid: 2.1-23 squeeze: 2.1-23
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04:57<basicgeek>when I do as root "fbset -v -a 1024x768-60", whith 1024x768-60 in fb.modes, shouldn't I see the resolution change ?
04:58<steve_c>How can I get my 5 button mouse to work in Debian Squeeze/Gnome? Everything I've found refers to a file (xorg.conf) which doesn't exist
04:58<basicgeek>it says that it is changing the video mode, but I can't see any difference
04:59<jm_>steve_c: it doesn't work as it is?
04:59<steve_c>i can't use my side buttons
04:59<steve_c>normally in windows they function as forward/backward in browsers
04:59<jm_>do they emit an event in X?
05:00<steve_c>I don't know, how would I tell that?
05:00<jm_>xev
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05:01<steve_c>they don't trigger an event when pressed, no
05:02<jm_>then follow the good old unix tradition: create it if it doesn't exist
05:02<defcom>steve_c try with Mouse8 and Mouse9
05:02<steve_c>defcom jm_: I don't know where to put those settings, since there isn't an xorg.conf for me to edit
05:03<jm_>steve_c: input section
05:04<jm_>man mousedrv lists the options
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05:04<steve_c>ok, but what file do i put that in?
05:05<steve_c>xorg.conf doesn't exist as a file
05:05<jm_>like I said, create it, but keep in mind that you need more options for new (i.e. 1.6) X server to use your input section, otherwise it relies on HAL
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05:06<jm_>X -configure will also create one for you
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05:18<mihkel>Hi. Strange things happen :)
05:18<mihkel>I created a bin dir in home
05:19<mihkel>in urxvt echo $PATH does not see it, but gnome terminal sees it
05:19<mihkel>and yes
05:19<mihkel>I opened/closed urxvt
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05:20<jm_>where did you add it to PATH?
05:20<mihkel>Anyone using urxvt can confirm this?
05:21<mihkel>well in .bash_profile there is
05:21<mihkel># set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists
05:21<mihkel>if [ -d ~/bin ] ; then
05:21<mihkel> PATH=~/bin:"${PATH}"
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05:21<mihkel>sorry for flood
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05:22<heartbeats>hi
05:22<jm_>ok type "echo $0" in urxvt and gnome terminal
05:22<heartbeats>any body can tell me how can i develop a web site with the help of python
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05:22<mihkel>jm_, output is same: /bin/bash
05:23<jm_>mihkel: that can't be, it should say -foo in gnome terminal
05:24<mihkel>jm_, http://imgur.com/dR1fz.png
05:24<mihkel>it is
05:25<jm_>try urxvt -ls
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05:25<heartbeats>how can install anjutha latest version
05:25<mihkel>with urxvt -ls I can see my private PATH
05:25<mihkel>why?
05:25<jm_>ok man bash, read the section "INVOCATION"
05:26<jm_>obviously gnome starts it like that, but it should also be visible in $0
05:26<mihkel>ok
05:26<jm_>!bashrc
05:26<dpkg>~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. ask me about <bash eternal history>.
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05:26<jm_>putting it in .bashrc and doing what dpkg said would enable it for both
05:27<mihkel>I'll try that. thanks
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05:30<sdhoeppner>Running Etch. Added this to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main. apt-get update returns: W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
05:30<sdhoeppner>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
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05:31<sdhoeppner>I tried other mirrors listed at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/i386/postfix/download and all return the same error
05:33<gsimmons>dpkg: tell sdhoeppner -about bpo etch
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05:37<bzed>sdhoeppner: apt-get install debian-backports-keyring
05:37<bzed>sdhoeppner: apt-get update then
05:37<sdhoeppner>got it. Thanks!
05:38<sdhoeppner>love the security warning
05:38<sdhoeppner>has there ever been an incident of malware coming from Debian backports?
05:39<bzed>sdhoeppner: as the source and the developers are the the same as for the normal .debian.org stuff....
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05:41<sdhoeppner>pfft, did all that to get later version of Postfix and apt-cache search won't show it
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05:43<sdhoeppner>why isn't postfix_2.5.5-1~bpo40+1_i386 showing up in my search results after adding the backports mirror?
05:43<ArthurLiu>any clue on how to get a sorted list of size of installed packages by source package ? "wajig size" can get me the size, but doesn't handle the aggregating
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05:44<dr|z3d>ArthurLiu: Easiest way is through Synaptic's ui.
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05:47<mshahruz>hey
05:47<yulie>hy jg.........
05:47<yulie>hy jg...........
05:47<mshahruz>yo yulie
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05:48<yulie>hy
05:48<mshahruz>using etch or lenny?
05:48<gsimmons>sdhoeppner: Does this version appear in 'apt-cache policy postfix' output?
05:48<yulie>hah??
05:49<mshahruz>using debian 4 or 5?
05:49<yulie>4
05:49<mshahruz>ok
05:50<yulie>mkzdna????
05:50<yulie>wew
05:50<mshahruz>whats dat?
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05:50<yulie>ap c??yg jlz po0/?
05:50<mshahruz>sorry don't get it
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05:59<CQ>hello, i want to install testing in a virtualbox VM, does it make a difference in speed/performance/stability/whatever to use 64 instead of plain x86? Which one makes more sense?
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06:02<newtech83>hi
06:04<jm_>CQ: doesn't really matter, unless you need to use/run with a lot of memory
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06:04<CQ>jm_: it's a machine for running an Imap server, egroupware, etc. so nothing special... are all teh packages up to date in amd64, or are the 32 bit ones usually there faster in testing?
06:05<jm_>CQ: they are the same, in unstable it's typically faster for amd64 anyway
06:06<CQ>ok, thanks, I'll go wit amd64 testing then
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06:07<CQ>are there testing ISOs, or jsut grab stable and update?
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06:07<CQ>http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ is what I'mm looking at now...
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06:08<petemc>http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
06:08<petemc>be aware that testing can and will be broken
06:09<paddy>i would use Lenny to install and then upgrade to testing
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06:10<CQ>petemc: yep, I know... but stable is too far behind, and testing has been good to me over the years...
06:10<milk>:)
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06:13<newtech83>hello
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06:16<petemc>CQ: you're aware of backports?
06:17<CQ>petemc: yes, but how up-to-date are they?
06:17<CQ>anyway, this isntallation will run dovecot, egroupware and squirrelmail, with the Databases and files on another host, so I'm not too worried...
06:17<newtech83>how can i change my keyboard in azerty ?
06:17<petemc>'fairly'
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06:18<CQ>can I see the package status of backports somewhere on packages.debian.org?
06:18<petemc>yes
06:19<sdhoeppner>gsimmons: yes, it appears in that list under Version Table
06:19<CQ>petemc: I don't see that anywhere...
06:19<petemc>http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/
06:20<gsimmons>sdhoeppner: Then just go ahead and install it.
06:20<sdhoeppner>gsimmons: so how do i install it
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06:21<sdhoeppner>when i do "apt-get install postfix" apt tells me I'm at the latest version and installs nothing
06:21<gsimmons>sdhoeppner: Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions and substitute "etch-backports" where necessary.
06:22<sdhoeppner>gsimmons: thanks
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06:36<urbinek>hi
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06:37<urbinek>what WiFi card will be best choice for creating hotspot ? in g/n standard
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07:09<Tuplad>and I'm back :]
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07:15<urbinek>hi
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07:16<xeon-enouf>Tuplad: and? 03:15 <Tuplad> holy crap
07:17<xeon-enouf>:-P
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07:17<Tuplad>:D
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07:32<CQ>does exim4 use mbox or maildir format by default?
07:33<xeon-enouf>i think you can choose - try dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config maybe
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07:36<Rhonda>CQ: mbox is default
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07:42<jen140>hello ppl , i im here cause i have a small problem with networking, setting the machine as gateway
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07:43<jen140>i already have /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward 1 there
07:43<jen140>and tryied to configure with the next command
07:43<jen140>iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE
07:43<jen140>remove all the rules before
07:43<jen140>and i cant still pass any traffic throught the server
07:44<jen140>when i ping google ,it resolves to ip (running dns server already) but says "Request timed out."
07:44<jm_>which kernel version is this?
07:44<jen140> 2.6.26-2-686
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07:46<jen140>any ideia?
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07:47<petemc>i use iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.0.0.0/16 -j MASQUERADE
07:47<jm_>is eth1 your outgoing NIC?
07:48<jm_>and what are your policies on the chains?
07:48<jen140>eth0 is my internet interface,and eth1 lan interface
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07:48<jen140>none
07:49<jen140>dont have ipchains installed
07:49<jm_>why are you doing masquerading on eth1 then?
07:50<jen140>was listening to moyn
07:50<jen140>ok ,works now =) ty vm
07:51<jm_>btw chains still exist in netfilter, it's just the command to manage them is now called iptables
07:52<jen140>kk
07:52<jen140>now other problem , cant kill my Xorg
07:52<jen140>neither with kill -9 pid neither with kill -3 pid
07:52<jen140>nor with ctrl+alt+backspace
07:53<jen140>any solution without rebooting ?
07:53<jm_>what state is it in?
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07:54<jen140>root 4057 99.7 0.0 0 0 ? Rs 12:39 14:14 [Xorg]
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07:54<jen140>so Rs
07:54<jm_>is that a regular ps output?
07:54<jen140>ps aux|grep X
07:55<valdyn>jen140: why did you use -9? thats stupid
07:55<jen140>i do that all the time :$
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07:55<jen140>always worked fine lol
07:55<valdyn>jen140: then you are being stupdi all the time
07:55<jen140>lol ,ty =) what should i use than ?
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07:56<valdyn>jen140: just kill <pid> or if you must kill -5
07:56<jen140>kk
07:56<jm_>it should use [...] for kernel threads only
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07:56<Tuplad>what's the difference between -9 and -5 ?
07:56<valdyn>jen140: now you should reboot
07:57<jen140>kk ty for the help =)
07:57<jen140>have a good day
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07:57<jm_>Tuplad: which signal it sends
07:58<Tuplad>jm_: whats the difference between signals?
07:58<valdyn>Tuplad: -9 terminates the kernel thread, thats just evil
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07:58<Tuplad>valdyn: lol, why ? :o
07:58<jm_>Tuplad: man 7 signal
07:58<valdyn>Tuplad: because theres no cleanup being done
07:58<simonrvn>doesn't give the process a chance to clean up after itself
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07:58<Tuplad>hmm, I'm not following here...
07:58<jm_>Tuplad: note how -9 is SIGKILL and The signals SIGKILL and SIGSTOP cannot be caught, blocked, or ignored.
07:59<Tuplad>yeah
07:59<Tuplad>I usually use kill -9 everything that is stuck :$
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07:59<Tuplad>on everything*
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08:00<valdyn>Tuplad: working ok 999 of 1000 times is *still* no good reason to use it
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08:00<jen140>err, hi again
08:00<jen140>it stopped again
08:00<Tuplad>valdyn: hmm
08:00<Tuplad>valdyn: so a kernel thread has to clean itself ?
08:01<jen140>when after running X -configure tryied the new config
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08:01<jen140>and cant kill it with neither kill nor kill -5 :\
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08:01<jen140>gonna check ati drivers
08:01<valdyn>Tuplad: a process is a thread when seen from the kernel side
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08:02<valdyn>Tuplad: im not really talking about kernel threads though, thats something else, you cant send signals to kernel threads
08:02<Tuplad>valdyn: oh I see, but how is -9 bad except for not being able to clean itself ?
08:03<Tuplad>and what would be a safer alternative ? -5 ?
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08:03<valdyn>Tuplad: sigterm is best
08:03<valdyn>Tuplad: and you dont have to specify it, so just "kill <pid>"
08:03<Tuplad>valdyn: oh, cool, ok :)
08:04<Tuplad>valdyn: but some processes can't be killed with sigterm, what to do then ?
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08:04<valdyn>Tuplad: -5
08:04<Tuplad>ok, that's sigtrap ?
08:04<valdyn>Tuplad: yea
08:05<Tuplad>okay, cool, another day another dollar... I'm smarter hehe
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08:06<valdyn> !uuoc
08:06<dpkg>UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient.
08:06<valdyn> !uuok
08:06<valdyn>hmm
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08:07<Tuplad>LOL
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08:09<valdyn>Tuplad: or look at : http://partmaps.org/era/unix/award.html#uuk9letter
08:10<valdyn>Tuplad: more often than not this is a kernel bug though, not a bad binary
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08:10<valdyn>( at least when -5 doesnt work )
08:10<Tuplad>valdyn: haha, thanks for that one
08:12<simonrvn>SIGTRAP ? hmm
08:14<xeon-enouf>Tuplad: fwiw, i use -15, -2, then only -9 if those others fail
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08:15<Tuplad>!fwiw
08:15<dpkg>fwiw is, like, for {what,whatever} it's worth
08:15<Tuplad>ok :)
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08:16<xeon-enouf>Tuplad: htop shows a nice list in leftmost vertical column when you press f9 (to kill) after selecting a process
08:17<Tuplad>htop is like my favourite tool to track processes :p
08:18<lupine_85>stupid, stupid ifup!
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08:18<lupine_85>can I get it to return a non-zero error code on fail?
08:18<jm_>they barely created enough colours for htop though :)
08:19<Tuplad>not colorful enough for you jm ? :D
08:19<xeon-enouf>hah! and with TERM=linux ; export $TERM ; htop ..i can then copy/paste lines from it \o/
08:19<jm_>Tuplad: what I was trying to say is it could do with less
08:20<Tuplad>jm_: oh ;o
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09:05<lancelot_of>hallo everybody, i've an external usb Apple keyboard (aluminium) plugged on my Debian system but it seems to be not fully supported and i'd like it to be...strongly for Functions keys and correct layout...any suggestion?
09:06<dr|z3d>lancelot_of: Make sure you select the Macintosh variant of your keyboard.
09:06<dr|z3d>Country name -> Macintosh
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09:07<lancelot_of>dr|z3d, howto?
09:07<lancelot_of>though dpkg-reconfigure console-data?
09:08<jm_>try using console-setup
09:08<dr|z3d>You could access the keyboard options from Gnome's settings menu, also.
09:09<lancelot_of>does this procedure change the correct settings of my laptop keyboard (not Apple)?
09:10<lancelot_of>sorry, i've forgotten inform you i've my external keyboard plugged on a laptop
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09:16<vvas>hi all
09:16<urbinek>hi any experience with Planet Wireless LAN PCI WL-8310 ?
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09:20<vvas>anyone else notice X segfaults after upgrading to xserver-xorg-core 1.6.4-1 in unstable?
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09:30<bike>i need to get out of the read only mode in single user, some mount rw -o / didnt work. any ideas?
09:30<lancelot_of>excuse me dr|z3d , did you read my question?
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09:33<bike>oh, mtab is missing
09:34<dr|z3d>lancelot_of: I don't know how you're going to manage two keyboards with different layouts.. you'll have to experiment.. maybe you can find a panel applet that allows easy switching.
09:35<lancelot_of>dr|z3d, i changed layout to Macintosh but Function keys still do not work...should i reboot?
09:36<dr|z3d>lancelot_of: Sure, give reboot a go.. no harm.
09:37<lancelot_of>dr|z3d, ok i'm going to...see you in a while
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09:37<bike>couldnt you restart the kbd service?
09:37<bike>or x?
09:37<dr|z3d>Reboot buys us more time. :)
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09:37<bike>hehe true
09:38*lupine_85 sulks at bug #430638
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09:40<marga>Hi! I'm accessing an SSL site (in Lenny), whose certificate says that it's signed by Verisign. Icew complains that he doesn't know the signing entity, I checked in ca-certificates and apparently it's correct, verisign doesn't seem to be there. Is there a way to securely import verisign as a signing entity? Or else, is there a reason why Verisign is not included? I would have imagined that it would be in the trusted list...
09:41<vvas>bike: you need -n and the "remount" option for -o
09:41<bike>noticed, but mtab was missing, so it complained about that, hopefully it will work now
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09:42<vvas>marga: err, ca-certificates includes *tons* of Verisign certificates
09:42<vvas>s0459994@23kid:~$ dlocate -L ca-certificates | egrep -c Verisign
09:42<vvas>13
09:43<vvas>not sure about lenny though
09:43<marga>vvas: uhm... I did a dpkg-reconfigura and found none named "verisign". I guess they are named something else then.
09:43<marga>Ah, will check
09:45<vvas>marga: just tried the dpkg-reconfigure, they're there alright
09:45<bike>yep, mtab did it
09:45<marga>vvas: yeah, it seems I oversimplified the search, sorry.
09:45<marga>The issuer of this conflicting site is "Verisign Class 3 Secure Server CA - G2"
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09:46<marga>the ca-certificates package includes: /usr/share/ca-certificates/mozilla/Verisign_Class_3_Public_Primary_Certification_Authority_-_G2.crt
09:46<bike>now i need to fix the passwd: Authentication token manipulation error, google says to use pwconv but that doesnt work very well
09:47<vvas>marga: best to trust them all by default, no?
09:47<marga>vvas: yes, I have all of them checked.
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09:47<vvas>bike: wtf, how old is your system?
09:48<bike>hehe, debian 3.1r8 m68k, doing a manual install
09:48<marga>I have the one I mentioned marked as trusted (as all the rest, indeed). And it looks like it's the same issuer... How can I find out if there's something nasty going on.
09:49<vvas>bike: ok, i don't want to know :^)
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09:49<bike>its nasty ^^ thats all there is to know
09:49<bike>im never ever ever never doing another manual install of linux thats for sure
09:49<simonrvn>m68k? omg
09:49<vvas>marga: it's best to assume that there's something fishy going on with the website in question, rather than with your setup
09:50<simonrvn>you'll be there for a day
09:50<bike>me?
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09:51<leper>hello every body
09:51<vvas>anyway, off for lunch
09:51<marga>vvas: yeah, I know, but I want to check what it's going on. It's my homebanking, so I won't be entering my password until I'm sure enough of it's validity.
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09:52<leper>i have a problem with this console when i call a program for console, it say this Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keykwrite: cannot connect to X server :0.0
09:52<leper>how can i fix it?
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09:55<lancelot_of>dr|z3d, keyboard changes only layout, Function keys still do not work...
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09:56<szidijani>yo
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09:57<szidijani>d'yo like DFC?
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10:04<jack>jackson
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10:06<urbinek>where i can find info about Planet WL-8310 PCI ? i must know if it supports Master mode
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10:08<urbinek>any1 ?
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10:09<gsimmons>urbinek: AFAICT, that device is supported by the ath5k driver, which has AP functionality enabled as of kernel 2.6.31.
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10:09<Estentor>hello
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10:09<Estentor>hola
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10:10<jen140>hello again, i want to remove all the "chain forward" rules only ,how can i do it ?
10:11<urbinek>gsimmons: can i use it as AP on 2.6.26 or must upgrade kernel ?
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10:13<gsimmons>urbinek: You'll need to upgrade the kernel for AP functionality. Either 2.6.31, or 2.6.27 or later with compat-wireless.
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10:14<urbinek>gsimmons: any 'easy' and painless way to upgrade kernel ?
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10:15<sdhoeppner>When compiling a custom kernel, is it necessary to select "Enable Loadable Module Support" in menuconfig _if_ I'm compiling all my hardware drivers into the kernel? In other words, does the kernel need loadable module support for things other than hardware drivers, and will I break my system using a kernel without module support?
10:15<dr|z3d>urbinek: Upgrade your distro.. that's the easiest way, usually.
10:16<bzed>sdhoeppner: if you ask that questions, chances are really good that you don;t want to compile your own kernel
10:16<gsimmons>urbinek: For Debian stable, a backported kernel image package from backports.org is generally used.
10:16<urbinek>dr|z3d: i've got updated lenny, do i need upgrade it to squeeze /
10:16<sdhoeppner>bzed: yeah, thanks for that advice. I've been doing it for years, and have only run a stock kernel once, on potato.
10:17<dr|z3d>urbinek: Probably upgrading to squeeze is the easiest way to get newer kernels with all the dependencies intact.
10:17<xeon-enouf>sdhoeppner: you're never going to perhaps require a module for a peripheral?
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10:18<themill>sdhoeppner: network filtering and filesystems are two other examples of commonly loaded modules that spring to mind. There's nothing to be gained by not having module support in your kernel except for a tiny amount of disk space.
10:18<sdhoeppner>zeon-enouf: nah, it's a dedicated mail firewall on an old Intel BX board with an Intel Pro100 and ATA33 disk. BIOS text only VGA video.
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10:19<urbinek>dr|z3d: greate... i've just reinstall from squeeze to lenny.....
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10:20<dr|z3d>urbinek: aptitude dist-upgrade then.
10:20<sdhoeppner>themil: I don't enable packet filtering in the kernel (no iptables). I've got a firewall in front. I use EXT on the IDE disk. I don't use USB or anything else on the system.
10:21<sdhoeppner>what command do I use to check to see if I have any modules loaded currently?
10:21<dr|z3d>lsmod
10:21<themill>sdhoeppner: "lsmod". If you don't know this already, why are you trying to compile your kernel without module support?
10:22<sdhoeppner>also, I'm not gung-ho on eliminating module support. I just don't want to include it if I don't need it. I'm an efficiency freak, of sorts.
10:22*themill does the "iyhtays" dance
10:22*dr|z3d provides some tambourine percussive momentum.
10:23<sdhoeppner>Module Size Used by Not tainted
10:23<sdhoeppner>lsmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented
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10:23<sdhoeppner>so I guess I don't have it in my current kernel either?
10:23<sdhoeppner>been a while since I created it. May have left it out.
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10:24<jen140>ppl,
10:25<sdhoeppner>if that's the case, the system runs great without it. Does "lsmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented" mean my current kernel doesn't have module support?
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10:25<jen140>pastebin.ca/1582589
10:25<jen140>shouldnt it work without reboot ?
10:26<jen140>and it takes all the connections that are made to the 213... on port 21 and redirects to .200:21 , thats right ?
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10:27<Bunnyh>sdhoeppner, you really are familiar with compiling your own kernels, but that unfamiliar with kernel modules? Maybe you have never needed those, or maybe you have just once managed to compile your own kernel without having a clue? It's hard to tell, but one would expect people who compile their own kernels to know the basics about kernel modules.
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10:29<Bunnyh>Lack of /proc/modules means you don't have support for modules
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10:35<sdhoeppner>bunnyh: I've always compiled my drivers (NIC, IDE disk or SCSI RAID) into the kernel for my servers and stripped out as much stuff that's not necessary. I've got no /proc/modules but I do have stuff in /lib/modules such as modules.pcimap and modules.pnpbiosmap.
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10:37<sdhoeppner>bunnyh: are those modules listed in /lib/modules just not being loaded? I can see pnpbiosmap possibly being needed, unless I'm already including that functionality in the kernel itself.
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10:41<Bunnyh>You can't have any modules loaded if your system doesn't support them. Are your files in /lib/modules/<version> even for the same kernel version? You might have lots of residual files there, if you have installed many kernel versions manually and never cleaned the old ones
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10:45<Bunnyh>My sid system works fine without a /lib/modules directory, but that's only me. The only truly supported way is to use stock kernels, I presume
10:45<djj>a question about reporting bugs: what i'm experiencing is already reported, i reckon there's not much point in answering to it with "yeah, same here." so the question is if there is something i still could add to it?
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10:51<sdhoeppner>bunnyh: I've got a sub dir in /lib/modules for each kernel version I've run on this system: 2.2.20, 2.4.27, and 2.6.18. The date stamp on everything in /lib/modules/2.6.18/ is Apr 29 2008, if that helps.
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10:52*themill hands sdhoeppner a few remotely exploitable kernel vulnerabilities.
10:53<Bunnyh>What would be the latest remotely exploitable one?
10:53<sdhoeppner>bunnyh: I've been reading through http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Module-HOWTO/ and it's looking like I really don't need module support.
10:54<Zathraz>Hi. I have a 3ware controller running Lenny on it. Smartmontools can "read" the drives however claims that the driver is not in the smartcrl db. I do not want to install the latest version manually but stick to the debian package. How can I add my drives manually please?
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10:55<themill>Bunnyh: DSA-1865-1 contains one (DoS only). And any locally exploitable one is just a step away from being remotely exploited by the time you start looking at all the execution of arbitrary code vulns that have been found in things like libtiff, libpng, flash, ...
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11:00<sdhoeppner>themill: I've got TCP 25 and TCP 80 PAT'd to this box via my firewall. Any kernel exploit of this box would have to occur in the network stack. I run Postfix and lighttpd (static content only--no server side code).
11:00<Zathraz>drives are 2 seagate 1.5 TB SATA drives. To new for Lenny
11:00<Zathraz>*Too
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11:02<sdhoeppner>themill: any known exploitable kernel network stack flaws in 2.6.18? The E100 driver, or ATA driver? (I can't imagine a remote exploit of the ATA driver).
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11:07<themill>sdhoeppner: I'm glad you have such faith in lighttpd and postfix... Personally, I'd just prefer to keep my kernel up to date against known exploits be they local or remote to remove one set of problems. There have been a number of exploits in the SCTP stack at least as well as network-facing filesystems like cifs.
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11:10<Zathraz>hmm.... Brilliant... The driveinfo database is contained within a CPP file.... So no update without recompile/manual install :-(
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11:13<Bunnyh>Check man smartd for the experimental -B option, although I'm running sid
11:14<Bunnyh>But that would most likely be what you need
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11:45<Zathraz>Bunnyh, ty, but -B seems to be around as an option in Lenny on smartd as it is not in the manpage
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12:42<mwaqas>echo
12:42<mwaqas>:D
12:42<mido>hi guys can anybody help me setup wine on a debian etc amd64 machine?
12:42<mwaqas>anyone home
12:42<mwaqas>sure I can :)
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12:43<rjent>what kernel boot param can I use to disable all power features on a workstation?
12:43<rjent>noapic ?
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12:44<mido>can anybody help me setup wine on a debian etc amd64 machine?
12:44<mido>can anybody help me setup wine on a debian etch amd64 machine?
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12:44<rudi_s>mido: aptitude install wine?
12:45<mwaqas>apt-get install wine :)
12:45<jpinx-eeepc>mido: why etch? You should really come up to lenny
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12:46<mido>its a server i cant really update right now and i cant use aptitude cause it needs repositories which is not there for etch amd64
12:46<walber>hi everyone.
12:46<walber>I need help with debian, when i type reboot to restart the SO, he stop for this mensage ( Syncronizing SCSI cache for disk SDA restarting system).
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12:47<walber>Has anyone had this problem?
12:48<mido>any help?
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12:49<leper>cls
12:49<leper>clear
12:49<leper>it don't work xD! jejejejeje
12:49<mwaqas>wont work here...
12:49<mwaqas>:D
12:49<faheem>mido: backport wine on another machine. then install the deb on your machine.
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12:49<leper>wich program is good for download videos from youtube?
12:50<dr|z3d>leper: try /clear
12:50<mwaqas>clear
12:50<mwaqas>wont work too :)
12:50<leper>i did it lol dr | z3d
12:50<dr|z3d>leper: Grab a Firefox extension, perhaps.
12:50<mwaqas>back-slash clear works
12:50<mwaqas> :D
12:50<leper>dr|z3d, xD! lol
12:50<dr|z3d>Video Downloader or similar.
12:50<mwaqas>\clear
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12:50<faheem>mido: probably not easily backportable, judging by the dependencies.
12:51<mido>faheem waht is backport
12:51<leper>i use youtube-dl
12:51<leper>but now it isn't working
12:51<faheem>! backport
12:51<dpkg>i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
12:51<faheem>mido: ^^
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12:52<faheem>leper: youtube-dl works for me. what version of debian are you running?
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12:52<leper>lenny/squeeze
12:52<faheem>works for me on lenny.
12:52<faheem>leper: which of them. or a mix?
12:52<leper>it works fine until yesterday
12:52<leper>mix
12:52<faheem>leper: downloaded a video just now.
12:53<faheem>leper: worrying.
12:53<leper>i think that could be the network?
12:53<faheem>leper: possibly. hope youtube isn't screwing with the protocol
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12:53<mwaqas>I noticed youtube down yesterday, may be they updated it and changed protocol.
12:54<leper>cuz yerterday from my home it works fine, but now i'm on the university, so i think that may have close something
12:54<mwaqas>please wait for the newer version :P
12:54<leper>but if they change they protocol faheem couldn't download a video now, i don't think that youtube only screw me lol
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12:55<mido>faheem: ientered backports.org and i found this what to do next http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=wine&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=etch-backports
12:55<mwaqas>lolz may be faheem is on the other part of the world :)
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12:55<mwaqas>fheem you in U.A.E
12:55<leper>i'm on chile
12:55<faheem>mwaqas: NC, US.
12:55<mwaqas>:D
12:56<mwaqas>see you are both at diff. places.
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12:56<jpinx-eeepc>it works from peru
12:56<faheem>mwaqas: surprisingly. :-)
12:56<mwaqas>I am in LA, its working fine here too :)
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12:57<leper>jpinx-eeepc, ares peruano?
12:58<jpinx-eeepc>why?
12:58<leper>see it must be my network, it must have some restriction
12:58<leper>solo pregunto de curioso
12:58<jpinx-eeepc>!es
12:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:59<leper>ok
12:59<jpinx-eeepc>leper: your problem is probably the uni blocking youtube
12:59<mwaqas>yeah may be some ports blocked :(
12:59<faheem>jpinx-eeepc: i'm behind a rather nasty firewall and they are not blocking youtube.
13:00<jpinx-eeepc>faheem: maybe not, but are you behind a Uni router which is trying to stop all the students wasting bandwidth on pr0n and suchlike ? ;)
13:00<mwaqas>sometimes youtube blocks IP's based on diff. factors that can be DDOS attacks etc. etc.
13:01<mwaqas>:D good point Faheem
13:01<jpinx-eeepc>mwaqas: it might geo-block if there's copyrights invovlved
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13:02<faheem>jpinx-eeepc: Duke Medical Center. probably not.
13:02<mwaqas>yeah....... thats a possibility too :) may be one can try web-proxy like www.ninjaproxy.com
13:03<faheem>the youtube-dl maintainer appears to be MIA, and it is blocked from entering testing. there is a more recent version on mentors.debian.net though.
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13:04<jpinx-eeepc>is clive not working ?
13:04<mwaqas>Faheem you are good :)
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13:04<faheem>mwaqas: packages.qa.debian.org
13:04<jpinx-eeepc>I haven't tried clive for youtube downloading for a while
13:05<faheem>jpinx-eeepc: clive?
13:05<mwaqas>hey, I got an idea
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13:05<mwaqas>you see a youtube video
13:05<jpinx-eeepc>faheem: aptitude search clive ;)
13:05<mwaqas>it stores itself in /tmp partitiion.
13:05<leper>another program for download videos from yotube?
13:05<leper>youtube+
13:05<mwaqas>I use this trick all the time
13:06<jpinx-eeepc>leper: yes
13:06<leper>wich one?
13:06<mwaqas>it works on all of the sites :)
13:06<mwaqas>even porn :D lol
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13:06<leper>really all site? so i can download full movies from megavideo too??
13:06<leper>lol mwaqas
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13:07<mwaqas>you see a youtube video, it stores itself in /tmp partition itself, I use this trick all the time.
13:07<sarc_3>i have eth1 plugged into a network tap and every time I "/etc/init.d/networking restart" i get several messages saying "bnx2: eth1 NIC Copper Link Down" however eth1 is able to receive traffic just fine. Is there a way to /dev/null this message?
13:07<dr|z3d>leper: Give Tor a try, perhaps.
13:07<mwaqas>just browse via Filemanager and you will find the flv file there, but dont close the browsers till you copy it :)
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13:08<jpinx-eeepc>mwaqas: I used to use clive because my connection is too slow for watching while downloading, so I'd dl and watch later
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13:08<leper>i don't have temp partition
13:09<jpinx-eeepc>leper: /tmp
13:09<leper>yes i have on lol
13:09<mwaqas>goto the FIle Manager and browse for a /tmp from your root.
13:09<mwaqas>:D
13:09<leper>jajajajajaajajaja xD!
13:09<leper>there are more folders, in wich one¡?
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13:13<leper>i got it now thank you guys =)
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13:13<mwaqas>:D anytime leper
13:13<leper>and now how i can change the flv for a mp4
13:13<leper>??
13:13<mwaqas>wow thats a big question
13:13<leper>youtube-dl download by itsefl to mp4
13:13<jpinx-eeepc>leper: use vlc to view the .flv
13:14<leper>yes i got it xD!
13:14<leper>lol
13:14<mwaqas>you just need to click on the file and then install proper codecs :D
13:14<jpinx-eeepc>leper: and clive does it automagically iirc
13:14<mwaqas>yeah, but I hate clive :)
13:14<farzaneh>hi everyone, i just install debian squeeze on a Dell Inspiron 1320 but the microphone doesn't capture voice. lspci | grep -i audio gives me this: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
13:14<farzaneh>anyone knows how to fix this?
13:15<leper>wait i'll brb
13:15<jpinx-eeepc>mwaqas: what's clive done to you? :|
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13:15<cahoot>farzaneh: run a mixer and enable capture, mic
13:15<jpinx-eeepc>farzaneh: using alsa?
13:15<mwaqas>nothing but I dont want to install some software to do this :) for my I am a DIY guy lolz
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13:16<farzaneh>cahoot: it's already enabled
13:16<farzaneh>jpinx-eeepc: yes
13:16<jpinx-eeepc>mwaqas: fairy snuff ;)
13:16<jpinx-eeepc>!alsa
13:16<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <alsa install>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <asoundconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net.
13:16<jpinx-eeepc>farzaneh: ^^
13:16<farzaneh>jpinx-eeepc: thanks
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13:17<jpinx-eeepc>farzaneh: np :)
13:18<jpinx-eeepc>mwaqas: if you are DIY, how do you get the video in the first place?
13:18<sarc_3>does anyone know how to pipe the error message "bnx2: eth1 nic copper link is down" to /dev/null".. i get this error when i /etc/init.d/networking restart
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13:21<farzaneh>jpinx-eeepc: still have the problem
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13:24<CQ>is there a wallpaper or utility that puts teh system name and hardware info in text on teh desktop background?
13:24<mido>hi i want to clean the dpkg history cause i have a broken package i don't want to install
13:24<dkr>CQ: xrootconsole
13:25<leper>i gotta go friends, see ya thank you for all bye bye
13:25<mido>anybody can help?
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13:35<stuckey>Tab comletion isn't working for me right now...
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13:36<stuckey>Like I have a folder named "Season 5" and if I do "cd Season" I get "cd Season\" but then no options. And I can't cd into this directory either
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13:42<jpinx-eeepc>mido: I'm not sure, but man aptitude will tell you
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13:50<malavera>holas
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13:51<bja>!es
13:51<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:52<mucus>jpinx-eeepc: once i get the package i'll mount the iso
13:53<Guest41>hi when I restart my smbd i get warning the deamon is already running then i have to restart it again how can i stop this?
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13:53<mucus>run the iso and install to my sdhc, i assume around here i'll get the choice of which environ i want to install
13:53<jpinx-eeepc>mucus: ok are you doing a netinstall or what?
13:53<mucus>nah
13:53<mucus>i'm dling the entire iso first
13:54<jpinx-eeepc>ffs!
13:54<mucus>ffs?
13:54<mucus>je ne comprende pas!
13:54<adb>!fr
13:54<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
13:54<jpinx-eeepc>!fr
13:54<jpinx-eeepc>adb: :p
13:54<adb>
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13:54<mucus>hah
13:55<mucus>i don't really speak french all that well anyway
13:55<jpinx-eeepc>mucus: ok - get your iso and start the install
13:55<mucus>yep
13:55<mucus>that's what i'm waiting to have happen
13:56<jpinx-eeepc>mucus: when it gets to installing the desktop and you don't want gnome, don't install desktop, just the base system
13:56<jpinx-eeepc>mucus: add lxde by hand - if that is your choice
13:56<mucus>i can choose to not install a desktop?
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13:56<mucus>what...happens to my stuff then?
13:57<mucus>is it sucked into the ether or something?
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13:58<jpinx-eeepc>mucus: what stuff?
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13:59<mucus>stuff in my computer
13:59<mucus>what happens without a desktop is what i'm asking
13:59<mucus>how do i make it do stuff? i'm not familiar so much with command line
13:59<jpinx-eeepc>mucus: what OS are you using now?
13:59<mucus>i'm in vista, the eee is xp
14:00<bja>mucus: not having a wm or de forces you to use cli interfaces, which is not a bad thing, all your files will still be on your hdd
14:00<mucus>i assumed that, but how do i get to them?
14:00<jpinx-eeepc>mucus: and you want to make it all debian, or you want to keep vista as well?
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14:00<mucus>i want to make the eee machine which is xp, be abe to dualboot debian lxde from an sdhc
14:01<jpinx-eeepc>mucus: we will not be deleting your stuff ;)
14:01<bja>mucus: do some googling on windows linux migration, lots of interesting papers on how to avoid common mistakes
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14:01<jpinx-eeepc>mucus: ok - that really needs the eeepc installer to get all the buttons to work correctly
14:02<mucus>do you mean basic buttons, or the function buttons?
14:02<jpinx-eeepc>mucus: and it isa lot easier to control that install to a stick using net-install imho
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14:02<jpinx-eeepc>mucus: the function buttons on the eeepc - volume, screen brightness eetc
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14:03<jpinx-eeepc>mucus: take a look at the debian wiki about eeepc installs
14:03<mucus>why is this becoming a bigger hassle than i had hoped
14:03<mucus>behhhhhh
14:04<boki>heloo to all my back track bydiss
14:04<jpinx-eeepc>mucus: your best solution would be an eeepc live image ona stick
14:04<mucus>i want to avoid doing the stick
14:04<sney>the stick made my install easy
14:05<jpinx-eeepc>mucus: the question you asked was to install debian on a stick for you eeepc
14:05<boki>i have one kwastion
14:05<mucus>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallOnSDcardOrUsbStick oh wow! guide to install this right to the sd!
14:05<jpinx-eeepc>mucus: there ya go ;)
14:05<jpinx-eeepc>mucus: and /join #debian-eeepc
14:06<boki>when i install back track 4 ang update all applications disapeare and ubuntu main destopt was shown
14:06<boki>whay is that
14:06<boki>?
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14:18<sarc_3>does anyone know how i pipe the error "bnx2: eth1 NIC Copper Link is Down" to something besides standard output?
14:19<bja>>
14:19<sarc_3>well the error occurs when i restart my networking
14:20<sarc_3>and /etc/init.d/networking restart > /dev/null 2>&1 doesnt work
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14:20<bja>sarc_3: afaik all error are loged in /var/log/syslog
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14:20<sarc_3>yeah but is there a way to prevent the error from being displayed to the screen
14:20<chealer>bja: he's trying to suppress them ( /dev/null )
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14:21<chealer>sarc_3: which console emulator do you use?
14:21<sarc_3>console emulator?
14:21<sarc_3>im just using command line
14:21<sarc_3>base install of Debian
14:22<sarc_3>my problem is that eth1 is plugged into a network tap
14:22<sarc_3>and for some reason the NIC doesnt like that
14:22<mucus>http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/ what am i supposed to dl?
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14:22<sarc_3>so im trying to supress these error messages
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14:25<chealer>sarc_3: on which tty do you get the messages?
14:26<sarc_3>tty?
14:28<chealer>!tell sarc_3 about tty
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14:29<sarc_3>the error messages appear as soon as my machine boots
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14:29<chocolat888>hi all :)
14:29<sarc_3>just before login prompt appears
14:29<sarc_3>the default console?
14:30<sarc_3>lol, i dont know how to answer that question
14:30<chocolat888>I've some troubles whith pm-suspend and my composite windows manager
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14:31<chocolat888>so i've nearly fix it but I c'ant reload compiz via my own script
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14:33<sarc_3>chealer: tty1
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14:36<chocolat888>someone can help me to fix this ?
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14:37<CQ>hm, the 000-default in apache2 has allow from all, but I can only access teh site from localhost. any ideas?
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14:38<dkr>access meaning no connection, or no authentication?
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14:39<chealer>sarc_3: do you get the same if you restart from another terminal, say tty2?
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14:43<sarc_3>chealer: if i Alt+F2 to another terminal it is tty2
14:43<chealer>sarc_3: right
14:43<sarc_3>the errors also appear at boot
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14:45<peej_>sarc_3 : shouldn't the order be messagespewingprocess 2>&1 > /dev/null ?
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14:49<sarc_3>peej: still doesnt suppress it
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14:51<Ignaz>hi
14:51<sarc_3>chealer: what really suprises me is that ifup is the underlying cause
14:52<sarc_3>and "ifup 2>&1 /dev/null" doesnt suppress it
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14:56<valdyn>sarc_3: if this is kernel printks then you cannot suppress those in the shell
14:56<sarc_3>valdyn: kernel printks? how do i know?
14:56<valdyn>sarc_3: let us see
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14:57<valdyn>sarc_3: or you also know by not being able to redirect those messages
14:58<sarc_3>valdyn: so there's nothing i can do?
14:58<valdyn>sarc_3: you can edit /etc/sysctl.conf
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14:59<sarc_3>valdyn: can you point me to the right place in there?
15:00<valdyn>sarc_3: # Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console
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15:00<sarc_3>ok
15:02<peej_>goshdurnit, valdyn, you *are* rather clever.
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15:02<sarc_3>valdyn: thanks, that seems to have worked
15:03<sarc_3>peej & chealer: thanks for help guys
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15:12<Mish_>I have *shudder* a Sarge server under my control. It's running "5.2.3-0.dotdeb.0" which doesn't include the latest timezone data for PHP. Does anyone have any helpful suggestions on getting PHP up to date without an in place upgrade.
15:13<adb>!sarge
15:13<dpkg>Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for Debian version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <archive>, <sarge sources.list>. Get old Sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge
15:14<themill>Mish_: Sarge is well past its best-before date anyway and dotdeb stuff always creates problems. You'd be better to upgrade to etch (and then lenny) and get rid of all the dotdeb packages.
15:15<Mish_>themill: shared hosting server, 633 users. Not my ideal in place upgrade.
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15:16<themill>Not ideal leaving them running an unsupported distribution which presumably by now has many known, unpatched vulnerabilities, either.
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15:17<Mish_>themill: Tell me about it. Thanks for your input. I guess I may just have to bite the bullet.
15:18<sney>thankfully in-place debian dist upgrades are usually pretty low-risk
15:18<EmleyMoor>I am still getting nowhere with dvdstyler (from dmm) - it sticks on the first vob if I try to create an image
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15:25<EmleyMoor>Is there any other DVD authoring tool worth a try?
15:27<dr|z3d>EmleyMoor: apt-cache search dvd |grep author
15:27<dr|z3d>There are a couple of apps there you might like to try.
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15:29<EmleyMoor>I can't handle them :-(
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15:32<dr|z3d>You can't handle them?
15:32<dr|z3d>What do you mean?
15:32<dr|z3d>Maybe you'd be better splashing out on a copy of Nero for Linux.
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15:32<EmleyMoor>The apps I see are too backendy
15:33<dr|z3d>> qdvdauthor - GUI frontend for dvdauthor and other related tools
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15:33<dr|z3d>> kmediafactory - template based DVD authoring tool for KDE.
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15:34<EmleyMoor>Trying the former - no sign of the latter at present
15:35<dr|z3d>Also maybe: > mistelix - DVD authoring and slideshow creation application
15:36<EmleyMoor>I thought the problem was the format of the files at first but either it isn't or I've had bad advice on converting them
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15:41<EmleyMoor>qdvdauthor keeps crashing :-(
15:41<EmleyMoor>mistelix is another not available to me at present
15:42*EmleyMoor tries a newer dvdstyler
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15:45<EmleyMoor>No good - dependencies too out of date
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15:53<steve_c>how can i log into just a shell and not load gnome?
15:54<EmleyMoor>steve_c: Disable gdm?
15:54<seanius>Mish_: i don't know if it's helpful, but i believe there's a pecl extension you can install to get up to date tzdata
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16:08<Mish_>seanius: Seen that, trying to get it to install now, I end up with "ERROR: `phpize' failed"
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16:10<hachi_>hi, I upgraded to xserver-xorg 1:7.4+1, and now the x server is so slow I can't really run anything other than terminal windows
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16:10<hachi_>does anyone know if there's a problem directly tied to this, or some way I can find out about possible bugs?
16:11<hachi_>I've tried firing up iceweasel to search the bugs system, but it takes about 10 seconds to type each character, and about 90 seconds to load a page
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16:13<vvas>hachi: xserver-xorg is little more than a metapackage, it cannot have caused this problem... what else was updated?
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16:13<hachi>I did an aptitude safe-upgrade, it upgraded a lot of things
16:13<hachi>does it keep a log?
16:14<hachi>yes, I think I see it
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16:15<CQ>hi guys, how can I allow root access from remote temporarily to a mysql DB?
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16:16<vvas>hachi: is xserver-xorg-core at version 1.6.4-1? if yes, i would try downgrading that first
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16:17<hachi>I appear to be at 1.6.3-1+b1
16:17<hachi>which seems to be 'testing'
16:17<hachi>which is what I'm intending to be running
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16:18<hachi>I could upgrade to unstable to see if this fixes it?
16:18<vvas>ah, never mind then
16:18<vvas>you could, but unless you're quite experienced i would consider this an one-way operation
16:20<hachi>I've got a handl on it
16:20<hachi>handle
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16:20<hachi>it's just so difficult to search for bugs when I can't get anything to run decently
16:20<hachi>apart from terminals
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16:21<seanius>Mish_: sorry can't help more than that with the dotdebs :(
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16:26<Mish_>Sorted! - tracked down "php5-dev_5.2.3-0.dotdeb.0_i386.deb" which needs 6 more .deb's to install, grabbed those elsewhere, timezonedb still wouldn't install PECL, manually compiled it, all working now. :)
16:26<dr|z3d>hachi: It sounds to me like somehow you lost your video card drivers and are now running on frame buffer.
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16:27<dr|z3d>hachi: I'd have a look at xorg.conf and see what's loading up.
16:27<hachi>standard xorg.conf
16:27<hachi>empty thing
16:27<hachi>not running FB
16:27<stuckey>hachi: How did you upgrade the x server?
16:27<vvas>have a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log then
16:27<hachi>aptitude
16:27<vvas>see if you find anything fishy
16:27<dr|z3d>Have you got a backup xorg.conf that looks different?
16:27<stuckey>hachi: And you're using which version of debian?
16:27<vvas>also running top might prove useful
16:28<chealer>hachi: testing has 2:1.6.3.901-1
16:28<hachi>yeah, so.. .the weird thing is
16:28<hachi>I apparently upgraded last week
16:28<chealer>hachi: which X video driver do you use?
16:28<hachi>intel
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16:29<hachi>I see the bugfix in the changelog on the 17th
16:29<hachi>I'm hoping that fixes it
16:30<hachi>I don't know how I was able to use an old package index to upgrade... it should have failed to find at least one of the files
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16:32<cyres>gn8@all
16:33<hachi>UXA render accel, hurray
16:33<vvas>caused it, or solved it?
16:34<hachi>it got disabled in xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.8.0-2
16:34<hachi>and fixed again now
16:34<hachi>on the 17th
16:34<vvas>ah, that
16:34<vvas>8xx chipset eh?
16:34<hachi>yup
16:34<hachi>but now gnome-do isn't launching, bleh
16:35<hachi>hah, and it just crashed
16:36<dr|z3d>Try launching gnome-do from a terminal and see if you get a better sense of what's borked.
16:37<hachi>a lot of exceptions to sort through already... heh
16:38<hachi>it seems like it may depend on a service called 'tomboy' that I don't have yet
16:39<dr|z3d>Tomboy is a note taking app.. That shouldn't be needed for gnome-do to run. Also, tomboy's built on mono, I think.
16:40<hachi>gnome-do is throwing mono crap at my screen... is it written in mono too?
16:40<hachi>seems like it might be
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16:41<hachi> GNOME_DO_EXE="/usr/lib/gnome-do/Do.exe"
16:41<hachi>yeah, I would guess that is a mono executable on my linux machine :)
16:41*dr|z3d chuckles.
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16:42<dr|z3d>http://www.bdeferme.net/blog/2009/05/gnome-do-mono
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16:54<bremner>what is a good choice for easy to configure, light duty httpd? I have been using apache2, but it seem overkill for static-html only ikiwiki on my laptop.
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16:56<l>الوووو
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16:57<locklace>bremner: thttpd
16:58<vvas>lighttpd is what i use
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17:04<bremner>hmm. thttpd is a bit smaller. lighttpd seems more popular fwiw
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17:28<dpkg><wookey> novell wouldnt sell
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17:45<Graveworm>Hi! Anyone in here using cryptsetup/luks? When should the "cryptdisks-early"-script be loaded? Mine is in dir "rcS" on position 26 which in my case is when all kernel modules are loaded, before the filesystems are checked and before all are mounted. My problem is I'm using a keyfile on an usb-stick (mentioned in fstab) but linux tells if that it can't find the device on boot. When the system is up all scripts in rcS are doing fine.
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17:49<Graveworm>udev is loaded much earlier so I think accessing the stick by uuid should be working?
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18:17<bike_>hm, i need to tar a system partition, gathered tar -cv --preserver -f deb.tar / but it quits after a error a good way in? does --no-anchored --wildcard make any sense?
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18:22<jonatthelinuxexperiment>Hey guys, I'm interested in upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze, are there some good instructions anywhere that I can follow? Everything that I've found online is dated from the last big switch
18:22<dondelelcaro>jonatthelinuxexperiment: there isn't any information, because we haven't released squeeze yet.
18:22<dondelelcaro>(well, any specific information)
18:22<faheem>jonatthelinuxexperiment: just switch urls, do apt-get upgrade, apt-get distupgrade. be prepared for problems. :-)
18:23<bike_>hm, crap i seem to b doing the right thing ;
18:23<jonatthelinuxexperiment>dondelelcaro: if i pastebin my current sources.list file, can you show me the necessary changes?
18:23<bike_>just change lenny to sqeeze
18:23<bike_>squeeze
18:24<jonatthelinuxexperiment>bike_: Even in the security updates section?
18:24<bike_>thats how i've done it in the past, or just add it side by side
18:24<dondelelcaro>you have to use testing security instead of security.debian.org
18:25<jpinx-eeepc>jonatthelinuxexperiment: if yu need help to go to squeeze you probably shouldn't ;)
18:26<jonatthelinuxexperiment>jpinx-eeepc: since it's so close to being a release, shouldn't it be reasonably stable by now? I've got a pretty good feel for what I'm doing at this point, but a few things are really bugging me about the age of the stuff available in the Lenny repos
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18:27<jpinx-eeepc>jonatthelinuxexperiment: did you try backports?
18:27<jonatthelinuxexperiment>jpinx-eeepc: no, and that's probably the better way, since I know exactly which elements i'm interested in
18:27<faheem>jonatthelinuxexperiment: try it on a test machine.
18:27<jpinx-eeepc>jonatthelinuxexperiment: go for it ;)
18:27<jonatthelinuxexperiment>jpinx-eeepc: what do i add to my sources list to get backports?
18:28<jpinx-eeepc>jonatthelinuxexperiment: www.backports.org have all the instructions - it's easy
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18:28<jonatthelinuxexperiment>jpinx-eeepc: appreciated, i'll take a look there and then come back if i can't figure it out. specifically, i'd like to upgrade network-manager-gnome, thunderbird, and gnome-do
18:29<streuner_>good luck
18:29<jpinx-eeepc>jonatthelinuxexperiment: come back after you've read and searched a bit ;)
18:29<streuner_>you will need it
18:29<streuner_>jonatthelinuxexperiment: why NM?
18:29<jpinx-eeepc>why thunderbird?
18:29<streuner_>jonatthelinuxexperiment: why not just use something else instead?
18:30<faheem>jonatthelinuxexperiment: you probably can't easily selectively upgrade gnome stuff,
18:30<streuner_>true
18:30<faheem>it's a big subsystem
18:30<jpinx-eeepc>why use gnome? :)
18:30<streuner_>thats another story
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18:30<jonatthelinuxexperiment>streuner_: Thunderbird is actually at the bottom of the priorities list. I've got the Lightning plugin right now, but I've heard that the new version of Thunderbird has Lightning baked in
18:31<jonatthelinuxexperiment>jpinx-eeepc: I don't really need to start a gnome/kde debate :P
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18:32<jpinx-eeepc>jonatthelinuxexperiment: I wasn't going to - I use lxde :p
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18:33<jonatthelinuxexperiment>jpinx-eeepc: based on the wikipedia page, that looks like something i'd be into. care to give me a sales pitch? I'm running a laptop with 1.7GHz and 768MB of RAM, so I am a bit resource constrained
18:34<jpinx-eeepc>jonatthelinuxexperiment: /join #lxde :)
18:34<jonatthelinuxexperiment>will do
18:35<faheem>hear good things about awesome
18:35<vvas>jonatthelinuxexperiment: which processor?
18:36<icebrain>faheem: awesome is faithful to it's name :D
18:36<icebrain>but only to people who are willing to program in lua
18:37<faheem>icebrain: should try it some time. don't know anything about lua.
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18:37<icebrain>faheem: it's not very different from any mainstream scripting languages
18:38<icebrain>faheem: awesome itself in getting close to 3.4 stable, after which the API will become more stable, hopefully
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18:40<faheem>icebrain: i take it you use awesome, then?
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18:40<icebrain>faheem: sure, for three months
18:41<icebrain>today I added text-to-speech support for notifications in 5 lines of code ^^
18:41<icebrain>*I've
18:43<faheem>icebrain: accordingly Julien is a fan of "How I met your mother".
18:44<faheem>icebrain: programmable window manager. hmm.
18:44<faheem>oops, according to Wikipedia, that is.
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18:46<faheem>correction, from Julien's own blog.
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18:46<faheem>apparently they watch American sit-coms in France.
18:46<faheem>so, is awesome the current leader in the minimalist wm category then?
18:47<faheem>good name...
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18:48<vvas>some people here also seem to like xmonad, i've noticed
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18:50<faheem>don't see any lenny backports for awesome.
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18:51<drakeman>faheem: package.debian.org/awesome
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18:52<icebrain>!awesome
18:52<dpkg>methinks awesome is a dynamic floating and tiling <window manager>. Backported package available for Etch, ask me about <backports.org>. http://awesome.naquadah.org/ #awesome on irc.oftc.net.
18:53<faheem>drakeman: no lenny backports yet.
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18:55<drakeman>faheem: yes! but why you just download it from their website!
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18:58<jonatthelinuxexperiment>Hey guys, thank's for the help, that backports site helped
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19:03<lancelot_of>hallo everybody
19:06<lancelot_of>i've an external screen attached to my laptop and all settings make it work fine. but if i logout and restart X session, settings crash and i get my screen with a lower resolution..so i've to re-switch between screens with Fn-F8 key on my laptop.It's a very annoying problem...any suggestion?
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19:09<tux>Hi all!
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19:09<tux>Sorry for my bad english
19:09<tux>How to make for user only one right: connect to internet?
19:10<tux>...and write files
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19:10<tux>xlotlu: Hi
19:10<tux>Sorry for my bad english
19:11<tux>How to make for user oly one right: connect to internet?
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19:13<jpinx-eeepc>tux: what language?
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19:14<xlotlu>i have no clue how you would even deny a user network access, except for iptables rules..
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19:15<jpinx-eeepc>gnome can allow / disallow certain things to users
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19:17<lancelot_of>does anyone help me?
19:18<tux>jpinx-eeepc: russian
19:18<jpinx-eeepc>!ru
19:18<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
19:18<tux>jpinx-eeepc: thanks
19:18<jpinx-eeepc>:)
19:18<tux>dpkg: thx!
19:18<dpkg>THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks"
19:18<tux>cd #debian-russian
19:18<iccy>:)
19:18<tux>))
19:19<jpinx-eeepc>:/
19:19<tux>oOps
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19:21<Franck_>hello
19:21<jpinx-eeepc>Hi Franck_
19:21<Franck_>excuse me, i'm under debian sid, and since the last upgrade (4 min ago)
19:21<Franck_>can't load X...
19:21<jpinx-eeepc>!sid
19:21<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>.
19:21<Franck_>stuck under vt
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19:22<jpinx-eeepc>Franck_: note the bit about "... Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess...." ;)
19:22<Franck_>ok, ok... i knew it... sorry to have disturb
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21:01<bja>I changed /etc/motd on some machines to information that is usefull whenever i connect to them. There is some daemon cron or space alien that changes it back to the standard motd message, can someone give me a hint who is it and how to correct it, man pages on motd are no use :(
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21:02<abrotman>bja: how much of a hint do you want?
21:03<bja>take out the name of the space alien and anything is usefull :)
21:03<abrotman>bja: /etc/init.d/bootlogs .. /etc/motd.tail
21:04<bja>thx
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21:21<bja>!beer abrotman
21:21*dpkg pulls out a fine Jever for abrotman
21:22<abrotman>got it working?
21:22<bja>yes, thx it works like a charm
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21:44<sun>hi when i aptitude full-upgrade then there's errors, it says that there's no openoffice.org etc on mirror.cc.columbia.edu. i also did from another debian server and got errors?
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21:53<sun>hi how to deal with errors in aptitude full-upgrade? it breaks saying 404 not found to http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu testing/main ucf 3.0022 and a bunch of other stuff? what to do?
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21:57<abrotman>aptitude update first ?
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22:10<sdsdsd>Hello Guys, i have a question about gpg. For personal use, may i use gpg2 or gpg?
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22:14<sdsdsd>please?
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22:15<sdsdsd> for personal and professional use, which one is better? gnupg pr gnupg2?
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22:18<sney>!wait
22:18<dpkg>If noone has answered your question to your satisfaction, please wait 10 minutes before asking again. Please don't whine about your problem, about the channel, about Debian, Linux, or anything else. Just wait 10 minutes and then ask again. Ask me about <repeat> and <ask>.
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22:34<sun>does anyone know a way to have a delay in sending email? for instance, id like to hit
22:34<sun>send and then know that for 10-20 min i can still delete tehe message. i think outlook has this, but i want it for webmail in general
22:35<sun>for instance on a relay or something
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22:36<kmap>sun: The best way, in my opinion, is to queue the mail somewhere, and process the queue such that mails are sent ~20 mins. after their timestamp
22:36<kmap>sun: I can't see how this can be made to work on webmail
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22:39<sun> kmap how would it be done on any other kind of mail? for example, i think (with a lost afternoon or so) i could have email from my debian box sent up and out to my email provider... but what would i do on my debian box to get this running?
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22:56-!-loneguy is "(unknown)" on (unknown)
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22:57-!-f-cantik is "(unknown)" on (unknown)
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22:57-!-zhuami is "(unknown)" on (unknown)
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22:57-!-ce_bg02_an is "ce_bg02_an" on #debian-fr #debian-uk #virt #gcc #vserver #awesome # #oftc #linode #debian
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22:58-!-DA13 is "Co2co_bt_nunggu_dosen" on #debian-fr #debian-uk #virt #gcc #vserver #awesome # #oftc #linode #debian
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