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---Logopened Fri Oct 02 00:00:26 2009
00:00<interbird>drakeman: open a terminal and say: ps -ef | grep metacity
00:00<blueldr137>unknown chip id 0x71c0, can't guess.
00:00<blueldr137>libGL warning: 3D driver returned no fbconfigs.
00:00<blueldr137>libGL error: InitDriver failed
00:00<blueldr137>libGL error: reverting to (slow) indirect rendering
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00:01<drakeman>interbird, ---> 3212 3046 0 22:14 ? 00:00:01 /usr/bin/metacity --replace gconf
00:01<blueldr137>sorry for pasting too many lines
00:01<blueldr137>lol
00:01<blueldr137>should have used pastebin
00:01<drakeman>blueldr137, you have problems with your 3d acceleration
00:02<blueldr137>drakeman: what would cause that?
00:02<blueldr137>drakeman: should I reinstall my xorg packages?
00:02<drakeman>blueldr137, no
00:02<interbird>blueldr137: what does lspci say about your video-card? can you past that specific line here? (not all lines, but you know that)
00:02<drakeman>blueldr137, check this -----
00:02<blueldr137>ok
00:02<drakeman>http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
00:03<drakeman>blueldr137, first try to enable the 3d acceleration for your card!
00:03<interbird>drakeman: and no borders ?
00:03<blueldr137>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV530 [Radeon X1600]
00:03<drakeman>interbird, i have borders
00:03<drakeman>interbird, i dont have problems with the borders in compiz, i m not running compiz right now, but sometimes i enable it!
00:03<interbird>drakeman: so, whats wrong ?
00:03<drakeman>interbird, with me nothing
00:03<drakeman>interbird, the problem is with blueldr137
00:03<blueldr137>drakeman: ok I'll look into that
00:04<drakeman>interbird, i think the problem with blueldr137 is the 3d acceleration, dont you think?
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00:05<blueldr137>I bet it's because I don't have the proprietary firmware installed
00:05<drakeman>blueldr137, well before compiz, try to install drivers for your ati card.
00:05<interbird>possibly, dunno, i thought he solved this one with abrotman some lines up ?
00:06<blueldr137>I wasn't on at time
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00:06<blueldr137>drakeman: I'm going through the steps on that url you gave me. Hopefully that will help
00:07<drakeman>blueldr137, you have lenny? testing? sid?
00:07<blueldr137>drakeman: I have lenny
00:07<blueldr137>drakeman: lenny 5.0.3
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00:12<interbird>lspci is how you see what cards are in your system
00:12<blueldr137>maybe it was because I didn't have my driver set in xorg.conf... I added 'Driver "radeonhd"' under the 'Device' section in xorg.conf
00:13<interbird>google linux <card> is how you get to know more about drivers etc.
00:13<blueldr137>how do u exit a 'man' page in the terminal?
00:13<blueldr137>its not ctrl-X
00:14<interbird>q
00:14<drakeman>q
00:14<blueldr137>k thks
00:14<interbird>(quit)
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00:17<drakeman>blueldr137, good luck, im going to sleep, i have work tomorrow :D
00:17<drakeman>interbird, thanks !
00:17<blueldr137>drakeman: ok thanks again
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00:18<drakeman>blueldr137, hope you can solve the problem today! and tomorrow when i ask you, youll be saying, hey, is working now :D
00:18<blueldr137>why when I type 'glxinfo | grep render' would it say unknown chip id????
00:18<blueldr137>drakeman: lol I hope soe
00:18<blueldr137>*so
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00:19<interbird>?
00:19<blueldr137>"unknown chip id 0x71c0, can't guess" is what it says!
00:19<drakeman>blueldr137, you need this line --- > direct rendering: Yes
00:19<drakeman>:D
00:19<blueldr137>its a radeon x1600xt!
00:19<drakeman>blueldr137, and i get this too ---> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 8400 GS/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW
00:20<blueldr137>drakeman: my direct rendering line says "direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)"
00:20<drakeman>blueldr137, yo need direct rendering, you follow all the steps in the debian wiki page already?
00:20<blueldr137>drakeman: yes i did
00:20<blueldr137>:( and this is what I get lol
00:20<interbird>lspci|vga gives your card, not ?
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00:22<blueldr137>yeah "lspci -v | grep VGA" give me '01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV530 [Radeon X1600] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])'
00:22<interbird>sorry: lspci|grep -i vga
00:22<blueldr137>oh let me try that
00:22<blueldr137>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV530 [Radeon X1600]
00:22<blueldr137>is what I get with that command...
00:24<blueldr137>im going to cry now... :(
00:26<interbird>for ati there is the radeon driver or the flgrx driver; you can see what driver(modules) are loaded with lsmod and filter them through grep, like: lsmod | grep -i my-wireless-card-that-works-sometimes-when-i-dont-look
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00:27<blueldr137>do you mean install the proprietary drivers?
00:27<interbird>no
00:27<interbird>i mean determining what you are actualy running now
00:28<blueldr137>so it would be "lsmod | grep -i" then what?
00:28<blueldr137>radeon?
00:28<interbird>lsmod | grep -i radeon
00:28<interbird>or
00:29<interbird>lsmod | grep -i fglrx
00:29<interbird>which is loaded ? (which one hs a line? is present?)
00:29<interbird>(hs/has)
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00:30<blueldr137>lsmod|grep -i radeon says "radeon 133920 2" and "drm 91488 3 radeon"
00:30<blueldr137>lsmod |grep -i fglrx says nothing
00:31<admin1>Здесь есть русскоговорящии???
00:32<interbird>thus; looks like the radeon driver is the one steering your ati-card; that's ok, what is not working with this driver ?
00:32<interbird>!ru
00:32<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
00:32<blueldr137>thats a good question...
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00:33<blueldr137>what I don't get is why does it claim 'unknown chip id' when I run 'glxinfo | grep info
00:33<blueldr137>or glxinfo|grep render
00:34<interbird>does lspci give a chipid ?
00:34<blueldr137>it also says "libGL warning: 3D driver returned no fbconfigs."
00:35<blueldr137>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV530 [Radeon X1600]
00:35<blueldr137>im pretty sure the chip id is RV530
00:35<interbird>LibGL warning comes after glxinfo ?
00:35<blueldr137>yes
00:35<blueldr137>then it gives 2 libGL errors
00:36<blueldr137>one says "libGL error: InitDriver failed" and the other says its reverting to "indirect rendering"
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00:41*admin1 is away: #nikname
00:41*admin1 is back
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00:42<interbird>Well, I don't know; it looks like some module or library is not found; with radeon you could trace that back because you have the source; but that's not trivial. I have to admit I don't know for now and cannot help, sorry.
00:43<admin1>Kto govorit po russki???
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00:44<blueldr137>interbird: ok thanks anyway
00:44<admin1>Mne nugna pomosh...
00:44<interbird>kee, succ7
00:44<seede>speaking of backup
00:44<seede>hi all
00:44<blueldr137>hi seede
00:45<seede>ive managed to ruin my rdiff-backup directory in a weird way and was wondering if i could get some help
00:45<seede>it seems to more a permissions prob than rdiff-backup
00:46<interbird>just rebackup and take a look at rsync ?
00:46<seede>if i ls in my backup directory - nothing. touch afile wont work. du tells me there are no files. find wont find anything. but i can cd to directories that i know are there
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00:47<interbird>chmod
00:47<interbird>man chmod
00:47<seede>did chmod -R 777
00:47<seede>didntwork
00:47<seede>tried chown
00:47<seede>with root and my username
00:47<interbird>ls -la . ?
00:48<seede>nope
00:48<interbird>pwd ?
00:48<seede>ls -la rdiff -> total 0
00:48<seede>pwd works, although im not sure that it wouldnt
00:48<seede>interestingly
00:48<seede>ls -ld in the rdiff directory
00:49<seede>has an entry for "." but not for ".."
00:49<seede>never seen that before
00:49<interbird>whoami
00:49<seede>gives me my user name
00:49<interbird>sudo root
00:49<seede>ive chown'd the dir to me
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00:50<interbird>su
00:50<seede>root cant see the files either
00:50<seede>files and dirs
00:51<seede>but they are there, when i cd to them
00:51<interbird>then there are no files in this dir
00:51<seede>and they have valid contents
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00:51<interbird>sudo apt-get install mc
00:52<seede>mc only has an entry for ..
00:52<interbird>no files ?
00:52<seede>nope, not even "."
00:52<interbird>no dirs ?
00:52<seede>nope
00:53<interbird>so, where can you cd to then ?
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00:54<seede>the backed up contents of my home directory so for example a directory called "src", and "Desktop"
00:55<interbird>so, cd ~/src works ?
00:55<seede>brb im gonna something
00:56<interbird>?
00:56<interbird>so, cd ~/src works ?
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00:57<seede>yeah cd ~/src works and cd /mnt/broke-rdiff-directory/src works
00:58<seede>its an smbmounted share so i just tried unmounting and remounting it
00:58<seede>i haven't had problems with it until today though
00:58<seede>and other files in this share dont have these weird permissions probs
00:58<interbird>~/src is a smb mounted share ?
00:58<seede>no, ~/src is local
00:59<seede>sorry
00:59<seede>i dont know how i put that junk on screen "DCC...."
00:59<seede>~/src is on /dev/sda5
00:59<seede>as is the rest of ~
01:00<interbird>so . cd ~/src and then ls -la . shown the files in ~/src or not? see what stat can do for you: man stat
01:00<blueldr137>how do I refer to xorg.conf(5) where is that?
01:00<blueldr137>never mind
01:01<interbird>man man
01:01<blueldr137>interbird: how would I find PCI device ID of my vga card?
01:02<interbird>lspci
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01:02<interbird>lspci|grep -i vga
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01:02<blueldr137>would it be like 1:00.0????
01:03<blueldr137>or "01:00.0"
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01:04<interbird>more like: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
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01:04<blueldr137>It would be the entire line?
01:05<interbird>yes
01:05<blueldr137>I see. Ok thanks
01:05<interbird>lspci | grep -i vga
01:05<blueldr137>I think I might have solved my problem lol
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01:06<interbird>this greps all lines of lspci with the word vga in it; we cannot make it any simpler...
01:06<blueldr137>I'm a linux noob :P
01:06<blueldr137>what does 'greps' even stand for?
01:06<blueldr137>grab data?
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01:07<jm_>man grep
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01:07<blueldr137>thanks jm
01:07<interbird>that's ok, remember that man (manual) about a command in a terminal gives you te info you need; in GUI there is F1, ok ?
01:07<blueldr137>I'll be back in a sec.... got to logout/in
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01:08<interbird>seede: found it ?
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01:09<seede>ok done stat but im not quite sure what to look for
01:10<seede>it tells me that the FS is ext2/ext3 but it's actually ext4
01:10<seede>not sure if that makes a difference
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01:12<interbird>seede: pfff, you say you can cd to a dir but cannot ls -la, as root; dunno, stat <fille/dir> gives you info. But if you can cd to a dir as root and ls -la does not show.... you've lost me..... sorry
01:12<blueldr137>rofl
01:13<seede>yeah, its a very weird one
01:13<blueldr137>I changed my xorg.conf file, and logged out... then It shutdown X server and I only had the terminal on my screen lol
01:13<seede>ive spent a few hours on it now, i give up
01:13<blueldr137>I had to change it back lol
01:14<seede>luckily i still have my rsync backup directories lying around so ill only lose the last few months of backup
01:14<seede>thanks for your help anyway
01:15<interbird>i wish a was at your site; just to satisfy my curiousity.... good luck !
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01:17*interbird is going to take abrotman's advice; time... please silence me 4 ever and kick my nick !
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01:34<sney>I have 49 packages being kept back by apt: http://paste.debian.net/47944/
01:34<sney>does anyone know what to do about this
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01:38<Jerryclunsford>Can some tell me where I can get information on setting up debian webserver with apache 2?
01:38<jm_>aptitude why-not might help, otherwise apt* install <kept back pkgs>
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01:43<Jerryclunsford>thanks any way
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02:00<blueldr137>ugh....
02:00<blueldr137>Does anyone here use an ATI X1600 graphics card???
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02:00<khades>lads
02:00<khades>there's new theora codec
02:01<khades>is there any recepts to use them on stable?
02:01<jm_>!ssb
02:01<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
02:01<blueldr137>do ATI cards support Composite Rendering?
02:02<blueldr137>I was editing my xorg.conf file and I was wondering if anyone uses an ATI card with 'Composite "enabled"'???
02:03<khades>how is there a psibility to backport such libraris as libtheora and libvorbis?
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02:05<jm_>it's not even mentioned on features page so they probably support composite
02:06<blueldr137>jm: thanks... where is the features page?
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02:07<jm_>blueldr137: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeon http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature
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02:09<blueldr137>jm: thanks
02:09<jm_>np
02:10<blueldr137>jm: I'm having a killer time trying to get this X1600 card to render... :P
02:10<blueldr137>jm: and run compiz
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02:12<jm_>blueldr137: compiz requires opengl too, doesn't it?
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02:14<blueldr137>jm: I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did.... I'm having trouble just turning on "direct rendering" :P
02:15<jm_>blueldr137: the driver in lenny claims to have dri support
02:15<jm_>and DRI should be enabled by default for your card
02:16<blueldr137>when I enter "glxinfo | grep render" I get: 'direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)"
02:16<jm_>did you check X logfile?
02:16<blueldr137>and "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect"
02:17<blueldr137>no where is that?
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02:17<jm_>!xerrors
02:17<dpkg>if X isn't starting for you, look for erros in the X log: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; or grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log
02:17<jm_>that's the location
02:18<jm_>!debug glx
02:18<dpkg>to debug glx/direct rendering, first check if glxinfo reports you have direct rendering; if not, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors/warning, and check if the output of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo gives any hints
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02:20<blueldr137>jm: how would I check the output of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose???
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02:20<huseyin_>hello
02:20<jm_>blueldr137: read what dpkg said 2 minutes ago
02:21<blueldr137>jm: oh ok lol thanks
02:21<huseyin_>hello, i dont find sbnc.conf, where is it?
02:22<jm_>heh dpkg no longer says you are moron #X :)
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02:25<blueldr137>jm: lol
02:26<huseyin_>!sbnc
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02:42<gsimmons>huseyin_: You are likely hitting Debian bug #516468. Run 'dpkg-reconfigure sbnc' to have /etc/sbnc/sbnc.conf generated.
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02:52<huseyin_>gsimmons, thank you
02:53<huseyin_>gsimmons, eggdrop setup; dpkg-reconfigure eggdrop ?
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02:53<jm_>/usr/share/doc/eggdrop-data/examples/eggdrop.conf.gz
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03:07<huseyin_>jm_, thank you
03:07<jm_>huseyin_: no worries
03:07<huseyin_>and ircd-hybrid , how can i setup conf file?
03:08<jm_>there's a bunch of them in /etc/ircd-hybrid
03:08<jm_>start with dpkg -L for each package
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03:14<huseyin_>jm_, sorry i dont know dpkg -L
03:14<huseyin_>dpkg -L ircd-hybrid ?
03:14<dpkg>ii ircd-hybrid 1.5-3.2 huseyin_'s private gamp collection
03:16<jm_>yes
03:16<huseyin_>or edit ircd.conf and restart
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03:16<huseyin_>ircd
03:16<jm_>sure, but dpkg -L will show you where the files are
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03:17<huseyin_>ok thanks
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03:33<bcochofel>hi, can someone explain to me where are stored permissions in the ext3 filesystem?
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03:39<jm_>bcochofel: inode
03:39<Hardikar>Is there any way to specify or export an Xserver ip addres in debian
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03:39<Hardikar>permanently
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03:41<jm_>Hardikar: ehh?
03:43<Hardikar>actually have to type "export DISPLAY=192.168.1.2:0.0" everytime to forward X
03:43<jm_>how do you login?
03:43<Hardikar>ssh
03:44<Gold24>using -X ?
03:44<jm_>enable X11 forwarding in ssh and install xauth and it'll work, try with ssh -X
03:44<Hardikar>tried that
03:44<jm_>if tahat works enable it in ssh's config on the client
03:44<Hardikar>but it is not working
03:44<jm_>then you need to enable it on the server / install xauth
03:44<Gold24>jm_: you're so pedagogical :)
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03:45<jm_>Debian disables it by default IIRC
03:45<bcochofel>jm_, inode stores the map kinda like passwd?
03:46<Hardikar>the thing is that i have installed debian in a VM and using Xming i work on it. but i have to give that command everytime i restart
03:46<Hardikar>is there some way to put it in startup
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03:47<jm_>ahh no no longer disabled by default
03:48<jm_>xming? it might mean you don't have x11 forwarding enabled in putty then
03:48<Hardikar>yes
03:48<Hardikar>no no
03:48<Hardikar>i have enbled it
03:48<jm_>bcochofel: read 3xte3 undelte howto for some explanation
03:49<jm_>then do what I said before
03:49<bcochofel>jm_, ok thx
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03:49<Hardikar>using -X
03:49<jm_>bcochofel: that was ext3 :)
03:49<Hardikar>i also use Pagent
03:49<bcochofel>jm_, http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html
03:50<bcochofel>jm_, do you mean that?
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03:50<jm_>bcochofel: yes
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03:52<Hardikar>it worked
03:52<Hardikar>thanks jm_ and Gold24
03:53<Gold24>lol np
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03:54<Gold24>i wasn't particulary helpful but ok
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04:10<Hardikar>hi again
04:11<Hardikar>when I type gnome-settings-daemon it gives me an error that /etc/gnome/config/General.add does not exist
04:11<Hardikar>its ad not add
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04:15<Hardikar>hi...
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04:28<enyapxam>hey folks, does anyone know any blogging software for kde, something similar to "drivel"
04:29<Gold24>Hardikar: i don't use gnome
04:29<Hardikar>ok
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04:30<Hardikar>which DE do you use
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04:35<Hardikar>when i start anything with plink it opens a commad windows. any way to hide the command window?
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04:38<jmarsden>Hardikar: Read http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/ and see the info about the run utility? But note this is #debian not #xming, you are asking this question in the wrong channel.
04:38<Hardikar>ok sorry i didn't know that xming had a channel
04:39<jmarsden>Hardikar: I don't know if it does either, but this is #debian :)
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04:47<Thaleus>So, does anyone actually say anything here?
04:48<Thaleus>Does anyone actually see what I type?
04:48<petemc>yes
04:48<Thaleus>Good...
04:48<petemc>its not a chat channel, its a support channel
04:49<Thaleus>Oh, sorry.
04:49<Gold24>i use e16
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04:49<Thaleus>If you work to help Debian along, let me tell you that after 12 years of using Linux, Debian Lenny is quite impressive.
04:52<bcochofel>jm_, ok, let me try to explain my doubt. Suppose I have one partition on my system with a dir with onwer uid=2000 and gid=1000
04:53<bcochofel>suppose I install a new system and mount, in the new system, that partition, but my new system doens't have uid 2000 neither gid 1000
04:53<bcochofel>what I need to know is, are the name uid mapped in the filesystem or not?
04:54<bcochofel>suppose xpto is uid 1000 in one system but is uid 2000 in the other
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04:54<Pony>my root history file is gone, thats not a good sign, is it?
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04:58<jm_>bcochofel: it will still be the same ID
04:58<bcochofel>jm_, in the file that's stored in the partition, right?
04:59<jm_>bcochofel: yes, inodes are stored as part of filesystem metadata
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05:00<bcochofel>jm_, and it will only store the id's not the names?
05:01<xeon-enouf>bcochofel: very small files are stored within the inodes themselves
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05:01<xeon-enouf>IIRC, something like upto 128bytes or so, maybe less, but atleast 64bytes, IINM
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05:02<jm_>bcochofel: yes
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05:03<xeon-enouf>bcochofel: if you wanted change the name, man chfn, etc .. to change the inode, you need to mv the file :-) but yeah, machines operate better using numbers, behind the scenes :-P
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05:05<_-gabriel_->hai
05:05<_-gabriel_->hello
05:05<icebrain>_-gabriel_-: hi
05:06<_-gabriel_->how are you
05:06<icebrain>_-gabriel_-: fine, but this is not a chat channel..
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05:06<_-gabriel_->what this channel
05:07<icebrain>Debian support channel
05:07<_-gabriel_->ok tanks
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05:15<blueldr137>I'm trying to download firmware-linux but It says it can't be found??? what i'm I doing wrong?
05:15<blueldr137>I typed 'aptitude install firmware-linux'
05:16<Torsten_W>blueldr137, and your sources are containing non-free?
05:17<blueldr137>torsten_w: I'm sorry, what do you mean?
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05:17<Torsten_W>firmware-linux is non-free
05:17<blueldr137>correct
05:17<Torsten_W>so you need non-free in your sources
05:17<blueldr137>do I have to allow non-free packages?
05:17<blueldr137>oh how do I do that? lol
05:17<Torsten_W>write it in
05:18<xeon-enouf>!non-free
05:18<dpkg>it has been said that non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
05:18<xeon-enouf>and /msg dpkg contrib
05:18<blueldr137>Thanks torsten_w and xeon-enouf :)
05:18<xeon-enouf>and /msg dpkg sources.list ; /msg dpkg security
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05:20<blueldr137>so basically I have to edit my sources.list to allow non-free
05:21<blueldr137>which are the two main debian mirror lines?
05:21<blueldr137>the very first 2?
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05:25<djj>kbd gives me an error on startup: "/etc/inittab not found", after all upstart doesn't use such file. this might be a silly question but wouldn't that be a bug for kbd?
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05:31<blueldr137>where all should I add 'contrib non-free' in my sources.list file to get non-free packages?
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05:32<Gold24>after main
05:32<Gold24>:)
05:32<blueldr137>gold24: on everything?
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05:32<Gold24>well assuming you only have the default repositories yes
05:33<blueldr137>I have cdrom, ftp.us.debian.org, security.debian.org, and volatile.debian.org
05:33<Gold24>if you add it somewhere the dist isn't available you'll just get a 404 from apt-get
05:33<Gold24>then yes
05:33<blueldr137>ok thanks gold24 :)
05:34<Gold24>well you should uncomment cdrom i guess
05:34<Gold24>well you should comment cdrom i guess
05:34<maiden30403>Hi, quick query is the weekly squeeze i386 CD ISO broke at the moment?
05:34<blueldr137>I have it listed twice, once with a comment and once without
05:34<Gold24>well don't add it there
05:34<Gold24>if it isn't
05:35<Gold24>at least
05:35<blueldr137>ok
05:35<blueldr137>I'll be back in a second lol
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05:38<blueldr137>gold24: I'm trying to install 'firmware-linux' with the command 'aptitude install firmware-linux' and It keeps telling me "Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "firmware-linux""
05:38<gsimmons>blueldr137: What Debian version are you using?
05:38<blueldr137>gsimmons: 5.0.3 lenny
05:38<Gold24>did you update?
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05:38<blueldr137>oh no
05:39<blueldr137>how do I do that?
05:39<gsimmons>blueldr137: That package isn't available for Lenny. It is available via backports.org. Note that the firmware isn't required for kernels < 2.6.29.
05:39<gsimmons>s/firmware/radeon firmware/
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05:40<blueldr137>gsimmons: my radeon card won't render without the package... at least I hope that fixes my problem
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05:40<blueldr137>gsimmons: do you mean I can't install it with lenny?
05:41<Torsten_W>you don't need it in lenny, if you use an kernel < 2.6.30
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05:43<blueldr137>torsten_W: Is it already included in lenny?
05:43<blueldr137>or in the lenny kernel?
05:43<dominique>I'm trying to install vmware server on debian lenny 2.6.26-2-686. it says "ur kernel was builtwith gcc version 4.1.3 while u r trying to use version 4.3.2". When i prefer to go with the version 4.3.2 anyway, it terminates saying "you wanted to use v 4.3.2 while kernel attempts to use version 4.1.3".. how do i go about installing the server?
05:43<Torsten_W>the firmware was removed from kernel 2.6.30 and above
05:44<peej>flite is broken in lenny. flite -t hello gives me: oss_audio: failed to open audio device /dev/dsp
05:45<peej>so I am wondering if I can fix it in the source options, where in the debian build I see:
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05:45<blueldr137>torsten_w: ok
05:45<peej>--infodir=\$${prefix}/share/info --with-audio=oss --with-vox=cmu_us_kal16 --enable-shared
05:46<peej>suggestions?
05:46<blueldr137>thanks gold24, gsimmons, torsten_w
05:46<dominique>I'm trying to install vmware server on debian lenny 2.6.26-2-686. it says "ur kernel was builtwith gcc version 4.1.3 while u r trying to use version 4.3.2". When i prefer to go with the version 4.3.2 anyway, it terminates saying "you wanted to use v 4.3.2 while kernel attempts to use version 4.1.3".. how do i go about installing the server?
05:46<buffoon_work>dominique, put "CC=gcc-4.1" before the command you use to install the server
05:46<buffoon_work>dominique, like "CC=gcc-4.1 ./vmware-install"
05:46<dominique>i'm trying...
05:47<buffoon_work>dominique, and install the package build-essential
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05:47<dominique>i did...
05:47<Gold24>dominique: install the kernel headers
05:47<maiden30403>What would be the cause of 'No VESA frambuffer available' when booting the installer?
05:47<dominique>i did gold24, linux-headers-`uname -r`
05:49<dominique>okay... there's this error showing up now, after "Building the vmmon module." make: Entering directory `/tmp/vmware-config5/vmmon-only'
05:49<dominique>make -C /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/build/include/.. SUBDIRS=$PWD SRCROOT=$PWD/. modules
05:49<dominique>make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686'
05:49<dominique> CC [M] /tmp/vmware-config5/vmmon-only/linux/driver.o
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05:50<dominique>hi!
05:50<dominique>!hi
05:50<dpkg>hello, dominique
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05:53<jen140>hello all, i have a small problem i've configured rpcbind to allow only local ips but its still listening on public ip my hosts.allow http://pastebin.com/m39a600bf and my hosts.deny http://pastebin.com/m3961c797
05:53<jen140>i've restarted it but same prob =(
05:54<dominique>buffoon_work, i tried the command CC=gcc-4.1 ./vmware-install.pl, but this is what turns out in the end: make: Entering directory `/tmp/vmware-config5/vmmon-only'
05:54<dominique>make -C /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/build/include/.. SUBDIRS=$PWD SRCROOT=$PWD/. modules
05:54<dominique>make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686'
05:54<dominique> CC [M] /tmp/vmware-config5/vmmon-only/linux/driver.o
05:54<dominique>/tmp/vmware-config5/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:146: error: unknown field ‘nopage’ specified in initializer
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05:54<dominique>make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686'
05:54<dominique>make: *** [vmmon.ko] Error 2
05:54<dominique>make: Leaving directory `/tmp/vmware-config5/vmmon-only'
05:55<jen140>dominique: use pastebin or smthing similar
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05:55<dominique>buffoon_work, i've tried the command "CC=gcc-4.1 ./vmware-install.pl" it terminates saying this http://pastebin.com/m203c7a2
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05:58<jen140>dominique: you have libc6 installed ?
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05:59<dominique>yes... on trying the command apt-get install libc6, it says it is the newest version.
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06:01<jen140>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1260406&highlight=vmware+patch see the 4th post
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06:02<dominique>i'm trying to install vmware server, but it shows this error: http://pastebin.com/m203c7a2
06:02<jm_>dominique: you need to discuss this with vmware support, not with debian
06:02<dominique>hmm...
06:03<dominique>oh!! okay...
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06:03<jm_>they have forums, try asking there
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06:19<jen140>hmm ,whats wrong with thise rule ? http://pastebin.com/m437d7d81 it seams to start listening on port 21, but its filtered, any ideias ?
06:20<jen140>my local interface is eth1 and internet interface is eth0
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06:43<amigadude>is there a way to merge 2 partitions, folders or shared folders?
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06:44<petemc>amigadude: anythings possible
06:44<amigadude>just trying to get 2 folders on separate drives to show as 1 smb share
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06:54<jm_>there are several union solutions for Linu, then there's mount --bind
06:54<jm_>Linux too
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07:09<Ikarus>Uh, just installed a fresh debian box with laptop and graphical desktop tasks and erm, bluez-utils (3.36-3) fails on the post-installation script and desktop-base (5.0.3) fails on an update-alternatives
07:09<Ikarus>wtf is going on ?
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07:11<SemiSonic>Anyone know how to capture a window in Ubuntu and stream it on Ustream via a webcam capture output
07:11<petemc>ask #ubuntu on freenode
07:11<SemiSonic>I have
07:11<SemiSonic>they don't know
07:11<adb>!they don't know
07:11<dpkg>Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google.
07:12<Gun_Smoke>haha
07:12<Gun_Smoke>Happy you run with *that* crowd...
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07:12<SemiSonic>Lame Bot
07:12<SemiSonic>Yes i know its not debien
07:12<Gun_Smoke>lame question.. run along
07:12<Ikarus>SemiSonic: your problem, not ours
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07:12<SemiSonic>Wow Tight Ass's its a simple question
07:13<SemiSonic>forget i said ubuntu i just copied n pasted
07:13<SemiSonic>it can apply for debian 2
07:13<SemiSonic>or anything that Runs X or KDE or GNOME
07:13<Gun_Smoke>/ignore SemiSonic!*@*
07:13<Gun_Smoke>crap.
07:13<Ikarus>SemiSonic: it is also not quite a distro related question, you are better off asking it at a Ustream forum I guess
07:13<Gun_Smoke>ther
07:13<SemiSonic>There all winblows lamers
07:14<SemiSonic>they wouldn't know what linux is
07:14<themill>SemiSonic: please try to make a positive contribution to this channel, please stop hitting enter after every few words, and please take your ubuntu question to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
07:14<SemiSonic>well thought maybe ppl here might have sum general knowledge and b able to point me in right direction
07:14<SemiSonic>i gues snot
07:14<SemiSonic>guess not even
07:15<SemiSonic>O
07:15<SemiSonic>K
07:15<SemiSonic>:)
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07:15<themill>SemiSonic: please take a timeout from #debian and be more signal and less noise in the future.
07:15<Gun_Smoke>don't forget to write!
07:15<Ikarus>so erm, anyway, anyone did a fresh Debian desktop/laptop install recently and ran into the problems I have ?
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07:15<themill>or just leave, that's fine too.
07:16<Gun_Smoke>I just saw the lenny installer.. Odd that the netinstall was looking for an iso on the local drive.
07:16<Ikarus>Gun_Smoke: it always does
07:16<Ikarus>Gun_Smoke: it is just part of the installer
07:17<Ikarus>Gun_Smoke: it doesn't care if it is started net or whatever
07:17<Gun_Smoke>Ikarus, Oh, I didn't know that. Well it failed, then failed to detect the network card.
07:17<Ikarus>Gun_Smoke: what NIC ?
07:17<Gun_Smoke>eth0
07:17<Ikarus>I meant type
07:17<Gun_Smoke>errr.
07:17<Ikarus>alt+F2 and run lspci if you don't know
07:18<Gun_Smoke>hang on.. ssh to it
07:18<Gun_Smoke>Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01)
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07:18<Ikarus>Gun_Smoke: try the testing installer :)
07:18<Ikarus>Gun_Smoke: had the same issue
07:18<Ikarus>(testing installer can install stable just fine afaik)
07:19<Ikarus>unless someone can contradict that and point out that that is why I am having errors :)
07:19<Gun_Smoke>I found a dvd laying around.. that took 3 attempts.
07:20<Gun_Smoke>I can't seem to get the monitor to shutoff.. xset dpms 300 comes back with xset: unable to open display ""
07:23<Ikarus>Gun_Smoke: you can run the whole installer from a USB stick
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07:24<Gun_Smoke>Ikarus, I know. I dd'd the netinstalled to usb. That is what was failing.
07:25<Ikarus>Gun_Smoke: you can also include the netinst iso on that USB stick
07:25<Ikarus>that will have base on it
07:25<Ikarus>but iirc the stable kernel used in the installer lacks support for the newest of that network card
07:26<Ikarus>meh, my problem will take a better net connection to fix I guess
07:26<Gun_Smoke>Yeah I suppose I could have. I didn't think it would have a problem finding the network hardware.
07:26*Ikarus is stuck on 512kB/s
07:27<Ikarus>Gun_Smoke: I'd try the testing installer
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07:29<peej>fixed my flite problem by installing a newer libflite with a force-depends. It's naughty but nice.
07:30<adb>Gun_Smoke, sure it not needs some firmware ?
07:31<Gun_Smoke>adb, iirc the netinstaller had worked previously.
07:32<Ikarus>oeps
07:32<Ikarus>testing debian installer is b0rken
07:32<adb>aha , than use the previous net install
07:33<Gun_Smoke>but all is well on the installer now. I need to get the monitor to blank and to resized some lvm.. knoppix seems to be missing device-mapper from the kernel? no clue.. I build a debian-live rescue.. That should work.
07:33<Ikarus>you can resize modern filesystems on the fly
07:33<Ikarus>(ie, while mounted)
07:33<Gun_Smoke>oh yeah?
07:34<Gold24>Ikarus: yeah the testing installer installs stable by default i think
07:34<Ikarus>Gold24: though I now am thinking it doesn't get it quite right
07:35<Ikarus>given that I have 2 broken packages, on which no bugs exist and which haven't updated since the release of stable
07:35<Gold24>perhaps but i'm quite sure i had to use the expert install to be able to get a testing last i tried
07:35<Gold24>and it's a month or so ago
07:35<Ikarus>yeah, I want a stable install though, just with a testing kernel so I'll tinker some more
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07:37<Ikarus>but not right now, I am too bandwidth starved :(
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07:41<YoZhik>Hello! here is speaking in Russian?
07:41<adb>!ru
07:41<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
07:42<YoZhik>Thank you!
07:42<peej>Ikarus, did you file a bug?
07:42<Ikarus>peej: not yet
07:43<Ikarus>peej: I need to experiment a bit more first
07:43<peej>what's the package?
07:43<Ikarus>peej: bluez-utils and desktop-base
07:43<cyres>tach
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07:47<peej>Ikarus, and what do you mean by broken? they won't install?
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07:48<Ikarus>peej: dpkg: error processing bluez-utils (--configure)
07:48<Ikarus>etc
07:49<Patrick^>I need some help, hope someone knows something about this... I had an OpenOffice .odt file with my homework on my desktop computer. I SCP:ed an older version of this file to the same location and it did overwrite my homework without asking. Is there any way to undo this or recover the old file?
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07:51<vvas>no
07:52<peej>Patrick^, unlikely, unless you have a more crashed version lying around
07:52<peej>s/more/more recent/
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07:53<peej>or if you still have the original open. But then you'd have saved it and wouldn't be asking here.
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07:53<Patrick^>: /
07:56<vvas>this is why people use version control systems like subversion instead of copying files around
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08:01<Patrick^>yeah, but I don't really feel like using that for one little laboration.
08:01<Patrick^>at least, didn't...
08:01<Gun_Smoke>Patrick^, I use rdiff-backup on my documents.
08:01<jm_>same here
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08:02<Gun_Smoke>Patrick^, you can choose down to the minute of the snapshot to restore from.
08:03<Patrick^>ok i'll try that next time : )
08:03<Gun_Smoke>Patrick^, have cron rdiff the documents directory hourly or something.
08:05<Patrick^>yeah, good idea.
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08:15<peej>ikarus: yup, something going fundamentally wrong with the installation itself for you.
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08:16<Ikarus>peej: exactly
08:17<Ikarus>sadly I lack the bandwidth to experiment some more while here
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08:36<flexy>I ran make-kpkg kernel_image. I've got .deb out of it and echo $? shows 0. So, I presume compile went without errors. But, what does the pagefaults part of the final output mean?
08:36<flexy>4025.20user 646.70system 4:28:57elapsed 28%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k
08:36<flexy>1317480inputs+2038984outputs (7318major+99158084minor)pagefaults 0swaps
08:36<flexy>I was compiling kernels in parallel, to test system stability and memory...
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08:37<locklace>flexy: it's just performance data
08:37<flexy>locklace: so it does not mean that I had a mem failure or something?
08:38<jm_>no it's normal
08:38<locklace>flexy: no. page faults are natural, despite the scary name
08:38<flexy>ok, thanks. :)
08:38<flexy>feel much better now :)
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08:51<awoodland>which arm kernel images are suitable for using on the n800?
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08:56<jm_>!arm
08:56<dpkg>hmm... arm is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. Devices supported by the Debian ARM port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>. The Debian arm port has been deprecated by <armel> and is no longer present in testing or unstable.
08:56<jm_>try asking there
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09:24<Zathraz>hi. I am looking for a self-signing webbased CA package. I looked at phpki but it has 2 drawbacks: no Debian package (can learn to live with that) but also just email-certs. I want other certs too. Any suggestions please?
09:25<petemc>whats an email-cert?
09:26<angelito>hola
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09:26<angelito>soy nuevo este es mi correo edgardo372@hotmail.com
09:27<Zathraz>petemc, I think it would be something like IMAP over TLS or something
09:27<petemc>Zathraz: i mean, what form is the certificate?
09:28<petemc>i dont see how it could be just for email
09:28<Zathraz>one mo. Have to look things up as I am relatively new to the subject
09:28<petemc>i also say, self signed certs are a pain in the ass these days
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09:33<Zathraz>petemc: S/MIME enabled e-mail clients
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09:34<petemc>Zathraz: oh right, no idea about that, sorry
09:34<Zathraz>http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpki/
09:34<Zathraz>pitty
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09:41<Aleric>anyone from Europe, but not the UK, here?
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09:42<Aleric>I haven't been able to reach www.blogtv.com for a week now... I'm wondering how many other people can't reach it, can someone try it (from Europe). Already someone from the UK tried and that worked :/
09:42<Zathraz>will check
09:42<Aleric>thanks
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09:43<Zathraz>Aleric, np here
09:43<Aleric>Zathraz: :( ... and where are you?
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09:43<Zathraz>The Netherlands (Holland)
09:43<Zathraz>same as you
09:44<Aleric>Can you make a traceroute and msg that to me? Especially the last part
09:44<Zathraz>other provider though
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09:44<weasel>Watch live internet tv ....
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09:46<Aleric>Zathraz: See /msg
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09:56<asqw>hi i have lenovo laptop and lenny but projector is not detecting
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09:57<asqw>xrandr not shows another display
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09:59<Tadej>hey. how much space is required for the slimmest lenny install with build tools, source/headers and no desktop?
10:01<asqw>Tadej, max 1gb
10:01<Tadej>asqw, awesome, thanks
10:01<asqw>anyone can help me to use projector in my laptop/
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10:02<peej>asqw: tried a hard reboot ?
10:02<asqw>peej, yes
10:03<peej>tried with another monitor plugged in instead of the projector?
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10:05<asqw>peej, yes
10:05<jthomas_sb>Does anyone know what is keeping Iceweasel 3.5.x out of Sid?
10:06<Yoda-BZH`Wk>jthomas_sb http://packages.qa.debian.org/iceweasel
10:06<bja>jthomas_sb: firefox 3.5 has a lot of bugs with the plugins, i've heard of lots of people downgrading to 3.0 because of that
10:07<jthomas_sb>so you think its partly being held back because of 3rd party plugins, bja?
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10:08<bja>i am no expert on that, but if it fails to work properly i would think it is one more reason
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10:09<jthomas_sb>per http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=iceweasel;dist=unstable even Sid has lot of issues/bugs within 3.0.14, so the 14 that Yoda-BZH`Wk linked to seem small in comparison
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10:10<bja>jthomas_sb: 3.0 has bugs, every program has bugs,
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10:10<jthomas_sb>of course
10:11<bja>The small diference is how much useful work you can do with minor bugs and how much useful work you can do with a major bug :-)
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10:11<fcorleone>somebody used malic?
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10:15<asqw>if in laptop projector is not detected means is it driver problem?
10:15<asqw>xrandr after reboot also not shows me another display
10:17<asqw>is this device setting problem?
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10:32<qwerty>hey i need some help getting online
10:32<qwerty>im running backtrack 4 prebeta from a usb drive
10:32<qwerty>i set up eth0 but i dont think the dns servers are working
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10:32<qwerty>i used dhcpcd
10:32<adb>!backtrack
10:32<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), formerly <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.remote-exploit.org/backtrack.html #remote-exploit on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
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10:33<qwerty>ah ok
10:33<qwerty>thanks
10:33<adb>yw
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10:40<qwerty>i went into their channel and it keeps disconnecting as soon as i say anything
10:40<qwerty>[ERROR] Connection to irc://irc.freenode.net/ (irc://irc.freenode.net/) reset.
10:40<dutchy>qwerty: look here: https://wiki.remote-exploit.org/backtrack/wiki/Networking
10:42<qwerty>thanks
10:42<dutchy>looks to me though, they are confused on what it's based on at all, so don't ask here about it.
10:42<qwerty>thats actually how i set it up
10:42<qwerty>i just want to connect to their channel
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10:44<qwerty>"<qwerty_> why do i keep getting disconnected from this channel
10:44<qwerty>[ERROR] Connection to irc://irc.freenode.net/ (irc://irc.freenode.net/) reset."
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10:45<bja>qwerty: Wouldn't it be more usefull if you asked on freenode?
10:46<qwerty>sorry i cant connect to freenode
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10:46<qwerty>it keeps disconnecting me
10:46<valdyn>qwerty: thats not this channel thats the freenode server
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10:46<qwerty>ok then
10:46<qwerty>whats wrong with the server
10:46<valdyn>qwerty: thats not our responsibility, talk to staff
10:46<qwerty>there look to be a lot of people in the channel who arent getting disconnected
10:46<bja>qwerty: try their http client
10:47<qwerty>k
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10:49<qwerty>that worked for whatever reason
10:49<qwerty>thanks
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11:20<trelosfonias>hello guys ,can anyone please help me?i cannot connect wirelessly to a network of whichi know the password and have it set correctly in Wicd ?(using Intel wifi 5300 AGN)
11:20<trelosfonias>it says : Putting interface down... and nothing happends
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11:26<knoppix_>hola
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11:37<jonny_hes>lol
11:37<jonny_hes>test test...hab grad irc über xchat das erste mal an
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11:37<bja>!de
11:37<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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11:54<bja>!flw
11:54<dpkg>< busboy> hello, will it causes any problem to delete root account on the system?
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12:09<oxi_>Debootstrap Error: Failed getting Release file http://www.emdebian.org/grip/dists/lenny/Release."
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12:09<oxi_>I get that when trying to install emdebian
12:09<oxi_>can anyone help?
12:11<stew>oxi_: that url works for me, can you load it in a browser/
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12:11<oxi_>stew: yeah for me too
12:12<oxi_>stew: I'm getting that error while trying to install EmDebian in a VM with the Business Card Net Installer
12:12<oxi_>stew: maybe I haven't configured the network right, could that be the trouble?
12:13<oxi_>stew: though it said: "Network Configuration Successfull"
12:15<oxi_>now I manually configured the network, not using DHCP, but I get the same error
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12:17<stew>oxi_: i don't know anything about embedian, really. can you alt-f2 to get to a console and test the network from there?
12:18*xeon-enouf embedians down stew :-P
12:18<oxi_>stew: thanks, I'll try that
12:18<oxi_>if only I had an F2 key in OSX :-)
12:18<xeon-enouf>dyslexia aixelsyd :-P
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12:19<bja>oxi_: alt and right or left arrows should work also
12:19<oxi_>bja: thanks, that worked
12:19<timbt>anyone knows how rtorrent -checksum works? have a look at this http://i36.tinypic.com/1ruexz.png
12:20<oxi_>how can I test the network from withing BusyBox?
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12:20<timbt>rsync * of course
12:20<oxi_>"help" doesn't show me any network commands
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12:21<xeon-enouf>bah http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/wiki/RTorrentCommonTasks
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12:22<xeon-enouf>timbt: by default, (no checksummming) it'll just check/compare File sizes and mtime, for speed, if you specify -checksum, it'll take much longer AFAIK
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12:23<timbt>xeon-enouf: yeah, but it doesn't seem to be working. I specify -c and it doesn't sync although the files have different md5s
12:23<xeon-enouf>seems you're specifying dryrun there
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12:24<timbt>but that shouldn't make a difference?
12:24<xeon-enouf>i guess not, not sure
12:24<xeon-enouf>but try with -acv and whatever the dryrun option is
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12:27<oxi_>stew: how would you test the network from there?
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12:27<oxi_>stew: I can't find any network command in the alt-F2 BusyBox from the Debian Installer
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12:28<xeon-enouf>i dunno timbt - sorry timbt -maybe try #rsync on freenode.net (only a few souls there) and .. i should look into this myself, since i need to
12:29<timbt>thanks xeon-enouf
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12:35<s4br3>i, I had a burned graphics card some time ago, and my system was a mess during the 1st bootups. So, I decided to reinstall but had kept my /home on a separate parition. Unfortunately, I forgot to remove all the old settings for one user, so no when the logout KDE crashes and I get to prompt, not kdm...
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12:35<s4br3>The message in .xsession_errors is, in part: Communication problem with "krunner" , it probably crashed. Error message was: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply"
12:36<s4br3>There were noone in the KDE forum
12:36<s4br3>and I run Debian Sid
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12:39<adb>Sid ?
12:39<s4br3>Yes.
12:39<s4br3>also known as "unstable"
12:39<adb>aha ..
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12:40<s4br3>In this case it is my handling, that was unstable...
12:40<adb>sure
12:41<s4br3>Still, no less irritating
12:42<adb>sid user's risks, now have to assume ..
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12:42<s4br3>:) Like I said. This could have happened with stable too
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12:47<xeon-enouf>s4br3: you have any old ~/.kde dirs? mv them out of the way? see what 'ps auxf | grep dbus' shows
12:48<xeon-enouf>s4br3: could have? no, sid uses kde4, stable uses kde3
12:48<s4br3>xeon-enouf: I mv:ed everything, with a starting dot, ".*" into "t.*"
12:49<xeon-enouf>s4br3: when i used to run any kde, i always got errors .. somewhere .. somehow
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12:50<xeon-enouf>how about trying #debian-kde - you know which version you have? kde3 has kcontrol, kde4 has systemsettings
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12:51<xeon-enouf>s4br3: also ask maybe on kde related channels on freenode.net and even in ##linux there
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12:51<s4br3>http://www.pastebin.org/32695
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12:55<yogesh>hi
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12:59<xeon-enouf>s4br3: this "dbus-launch --autolaunch ab08521ece69f1c34c675b294abe173b --binary-syntax --close-stderr" seems a bit weird .. but maybe not, i stopped trying to use kde on occassion ~ 3.5.x .. i completely removed all of it since
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12:59<xeon-enouf>s4br3: i don;'t recall any krunner
13:00<xeon-enouf>try 'kdcop'? which fucken kde version?
13:00<xeon-enouf>:-P
13:00<s4br3>KDE 4.3.x
13:00<xeon-enouf>ugh
13:00<s4br3>Sid...
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13:00<xeon-enouf>what WAS it prior? when your NASTY USERNAME was there?
13:01<s4br3>The same!
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13:01<s4br3>If you mean which KDE version
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13:02<s4br3>I will try with the user I am right now, which is not the same the one who has crashes.
13:02<s4br3>BRB
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13:58<ferar>Hi, when I run "dpkg-architecture -l", I get
13:58<ferar>Use of uninitialized value in split at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-lenny/bin/dpkg-architecture line 189.
13:58<ferar>DEB_BUILD_ARCH=
13:58<ferar>Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-lenny/bin/dpkg-architecture line 227.
13:58<ferar>DEB_BUILD_ARCH_OS=
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14:00<ferar>how can I set these variables?
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14:07<xeon-enouf>export them
14:07<xeon-enouf>'help export'
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14:13<EmleyMoor>Just bought a new USB sound device but microphone input not working in Debian - any advice?
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14:14<EmleyMoor>Can hear through it and have checked mixer
14:17<EmleyMoor>0d8c:0105
14:17<ferar>export did not work! dpkg reads them from gcc
14:18<ferar>the gcc I am using is cross toolchain host:i686 target armel!
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14:23<ferar>can I force a specific architecture for apt-get?
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14:29<rking>The instant I plug an ethernet cable into the tower, the Debian system does what? (that is, I'm not getting online, and I don't exactly know where to look for whatever is going wrong... nothing in /var/log/* changes when I plug the cable in)
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14:31<EmleyMoor>I want to finish setting this thing up but want microphone port to work
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14:31<adama>rking: check "dmesg |tail"
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14:35<chealer>rking: should it do anything?
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14:43<Kjetil>This is just rediculous. Is it possible to disable DHCPRELEASE on system shutdown ?
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14:47<dr|z3d>Kjetil: You can set a static ip on the host, or set a static dhcp address on the router for the host. up to you.
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14:48<Kjetil>That doesn
14:48<Kjetil>That doesn't really help when I am not the network administrator
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14:49<ferar>this worked: http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=26510&mode=threaded
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14:50<locklace>Kjetil: SIGKILL ought to do the trick
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14:53<valdyn>rking: we dont know what your system does
14:53<rking>chealer: sure... it should do something that eventually does "ifup eth0" and then it should get me on all of the intarwebs.
14:53<valdyn>rking: however if you plug in a cable that is connected to the network on the other side then you should get a message in dmesg at least
14:54<rking>valdyn: that's my problem. I'm used to: *click* then *internet*; I have this laptop that I have had off-line for 8 months, and I must've done something to it, because now it doesn't try to get online.
14:54<valdyn>rking: theres also multiple ways to automatically get networked as soon as you plug in the cable
14:54<valdyn>rking: are you using network-manager ?
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14:55<rking>valdyn: Hrmm... it's status is "rc" from dpkg -l, so maybe I used to have it but removed it at some point during that off-line time.
14:56<valdyn>rking: maybe
14:56<chealer>rking: if the other end is plugged and you mean should "would be nice if", maybe
14:56<rking>chealer: by "should do" I mean "I am used to Debian systems doing this without any effort on my part"
14:56<valdyn>rking: is your desktop environment gnome?
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14:57<rking>valdyn: yep, but I know for sure I disabled the gnome-network-monitor (or whatever it is) because it was constantly popping up to let me know that I didn't have network access
14:57<valdyn>rking: install network-manager-gnome
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14:58<valdyn>rking: once that is installed, run "nm-applet"
14:58<rking>valdyn: OK, that sounds like the ticket. Thanks.
14:58<valdyn>rking: if eth0 is not listed in that applet, let us know
14:59<rking>k. thanks all.
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15:02<claytonwalker>hello all, im new here. first time with debian xfce interface.
15:04<claytonwalker>just thought id let you all know, i may have quations in the future.
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15:05<dutchy>claytonwalker: if you have any questions, just ask.
15:05<claytonwalker>can i force my machine to switch to a specific resolution?
15:06<dutchy>claytonwalker: xrandr is one way to do it
15:06<dutchy>basically what you need to do is modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf
15:06<claytonwalker>ok.
15:06<claytonwalker>thankee.
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15:08*EmleyMoor has a new keyboard with a built in sound card - but the microphone port on it does not work. I have checked the microphone and the mixer settings.
15:10*EmleyMoor is keeping the keyboard anyway
15:10<EmleyMoor>Sound device is 0d8c:0105
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15:12<EmleyMoor>My scroll lock light does not appear to work - how can I check its status from Debian?
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15:13*dutchy would suggest that EmleyMoor googles a bit with the brand and model number
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15:13<EmleyMoor>dutchy: Have done so...
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15:14<dutchy>well, being as you don't tell us what exactly the thing is, hard for anyone here to help.
15:14<claytonwalker>dutchy, what if it says "Size 1280x1024 not found in available modes"?
15:14<EmleyMoor>Enermax Aurora KB007U-B - C-Media audio device in it
15:14<dutchy>claytonwalker: that's because xorg doesn't likely know what mode to use, that's why you need to tell it.
15:15<cahoot>EmleyMoor: you can access it with alsamixer?
15:15<claytonwalker>duchty: alright.
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15:16<EmleyMoor>cahoot: Yes. Mixer settings are making no odds
15:16<cahoot>EmleyMoor: capture enabled and all that?
15:16<claytonwalker>dutchy, how do i do that?
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15:18<dutchy>claytonwalker: which video card do you have?
15:18<dutchy>and which driver is in use?
15:18<claytonwalker>duchty: this is a fairly old comp, its video card is an integrated graphics chip
15:19<claytonwalker>vga connector to a 1280x1024 rez screen.
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15:19<EmleyMoor>cahoot: Yes
15:20<dutchy>claytonwalker: fine, but you still need to know which card it is, could be many different things
15:20<claytonwalker>dutchy, alright, lemme check
15:21<dutchy>claytonwalker: perhaps something like: lspci | grep vga will tell you what I am asking
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15:22<claytonwalker>dutchy, its not giving me an output.
15:23<dutchy>doh, my bad, VGA (caps)
15:23<dutchy>it's picky
15:23<dutchy>of course lspci by iteself should tell you, but they you weed through all the other stuff
15:24<dutchy>grr, they==then
15:24*dutchy seems to be having typing problems tonight
15:24<claytonwalker>Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03)
15:25<benjgvps>Well, I tried installing Debian on my iMac G3 (350 MHz PPC, 512 MB RAM, ATI Rage 128 AGP) and it doesn't seem to get to the point where the GUI starts. I made a little youtube video to show what I'm getting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWH_DjWc0FE
15:25<dutchy>claytonwalker: hmm, that should just work.
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15:26<claytonwalker>dutchy: so wheres my problem? or am i doing something alse wrong?
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15:27<jonatthelinuxexperiment>Hey guys, I was in here last week because Debian stopped resolving IP addresses, and somebody told me to edit the file /etc/resolv.conf. I just restarted, and I'm having the same problem again. I checked resolve.conf, and it seems to be empty. Can anybody help me with defining what should be in the file?
15:28<jonatthelinuxexperiment>Sorry, I checked resolv.conf*
15:28<dutchy>claytonwalker: xrandr should do it, see man (or info) xrandr
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15:28<cahoot>claytonwalker: does xrandr -q list the desired reolution?
15:29<ichdasich>jonatthelinuxexperiment: echo 'nameserver 141.1.1.1' > /etc/resolv.conf
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15:29<ichdasich>jonatthelinuxexperiment: and... get a shorter nick..
15:29<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... works now
15:29<Jflesch>jonatthelinuxexperiment: in /etc/network/interfaces, you can also add 'dns-nameservers' in the desired interface
15:29*EmleyMoor needed a new keyboard anyway
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15:30<Jflesch>(or 'dns-nameserver' ? I don't remember exactly)
15:30<cahoot>EmleyMoor: so now you can hear what you type?
15:30<claytonwalker>cahoot, no it does not. however, at the very top it says "current 1024x768, maximum 1280 x 1280"
15:30<claytonwalker>cahoot, but all i need is 1280x1024
15:30<jonatthelinuxexperiment>Jflesch: in the interfaces file, I have the loopback and eth0, which is my ethernet jack - the wireless on this machine is eth1. How do I go about adding a new interface to the file?
15:31<EmleyMoor>cahoot: Could always hear stuff... couldn't talk into it (and as I wanted it for VoIP that was important)
15:31<Jflesch>jonatthelinuxexperiment: wireless ? so you're using dhcp to get your IP, no ?
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15:31<Jflesch>if so, you should also get dns servers by the DHCP, it's weird you don't
15:31<jonatthelinuxexperiment>Jflesch: Yes, the router should perform the resolution
15:32<Jflesch>jonatthelinuxexperiment: are you sure the problem isn't at the router level ?
15:32<jonatthelinuxexperiment>Jflesch: Agreed, and if you can solve the large problem, that would be great
15:32<cahoot>jonatthelinuxexperiment: could you please truncate your nick somewhat?
15:32<dkr>then how could he advertise effectively? ;)
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15:32<jonf>cahoot: truly, go to my website :P
15:32<benjgvps>Does anyone know if the ATI Rage 128 works out of the box?
15:32<jonf>Jflesch: The problem is likely at the router level, but I can't replicate the issue on any other machine
15:33<jonf>Jflesch: The interim solution last time was to add the address of our DNS server (it's a static server that the router knows about) directly to the resolv.conf file
15:33<cahoot>claytonwalker: xrandr -s 1280x1024 fails?
15:33<jonf>Jflesch: I just can't remember the syntax for that file, and it appears to be empty now (which doesn't make any sense)
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15:34<Jflesch>jonf: hm, ok, anyway, other solution: you're probably using resolvconf actually, so try to edit /etc/resolvconf/resolvconf.d/tail instead of /etc/resolv.conf
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15:34<claytonwalker>cahoot, "Size 1280x1024 not found in available modes"
15:34<Jflesch>then use /etc/init.d/resolvconf restart ; it will regenerate /etc/resolv.conf
15:35<jonf>Jflesch: Ok, I have tail open, what do I put in it?
15:35<cahoot>claytonwalker: you might need create a modeline for that then ( to put in xorg.conf) gtf is one tool for that
15:35<Jflesch>jonf: same as in /etc/resolv.conf
15:35<jonf>Jflesch: what is the syntax? I can't remember what to put in it
15:35<Jflesch>jonf: resolvconf will basically just assemble the bricks in /etc/resolvconf/resolvconf.d
15:35<claytonwalker>cahoot: what is gtf and can i apt-get it?
15:35<dutchy>or try doing a prepend line in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf then it will always be there, modifying /etc/resolv.conf will not stay, it will be overwritten.
15:36<cahoot>claytonwalker: it's problably already there
15:36<jonf>dutchy: I like your style - what line to I put in dhclient.conf?
15:36<dutchy>jonf: open the files, look at the comments
15:36<claytonwalker>cahoot: how do i use it and then what do i modify? (almost completely new to comand line here)
15:36<dutchy>file*
15:37<dutchy>the prepend line is there already, just fix it and remove the comment
15:37<jonf>dutchy: you're right, that's the best way to learn. I'll try that, and come back if I can't figure it out
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15:38<claytonwalker>cahoot, well i played around and i figure i type "gft 1280 1024 60"
15:38<claytonwalker>cahoot, now what?
15:38<claytonwalker>restart?
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15:40<jonf>dutchy: OK, I added the prepend line, but put the IP of my router on it -- is that correct? I mean, the router clearly isn't doing it's job right now, so should i put the DNS nameserver IP in the file instead?
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15:41<cahoot>claytonwalker: gtf produse a so called modeline to be put into xorg.conf - Section "Monitor"
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15:42<claytonwalker>cahoot: allowing me to use 1280x1024 as a screen resolution?
15:42<cahoot>claytonwalker: that's the assumption
15:43<claytonwalker>cahoot, awesome thanks for your help. i must go now, the ol' hp needs a reboot :)
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15:43<dutchy>jonf: if the router isn't doing it, then yes, put in the dns server from isp, or a public one.
15:44<dutchy>opendns is quite handy
15:44<trmanovo>I am having a problem with my sound. I noticed that after the computer has been running for a few hours, the sound from flash, youtube, abcnews, etc, comes out BAD, with some kind of intermitent like shooting, or like a cricket. However, if I run alsaplayer on an mp3, or ogg file on disk, all is fine. Any ideas? (I am using bigmem kernel, lenny, does it matter at all?)
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15:44<jonf>dutchy: that's the one that we're using. I threw it's ip in there and restarted resolvconf, and everything works again
15:44<jonf>dutchy: now that change 'should' be persistent, right? Like it's not going to go away the next time i restart?
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15:45<adama>trmanovo: I have that problem too, just with flash player. Try restarting the browser? (All windows)
15:45<dutchy>jonf: yes, it will persist, that's what the prepend does, take a look at /etc/resolv.conf it'll be there.
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15:45<trmanovo>adama: let me try that, hmm, weird
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15:45<jonf>dutchy: thanks a lot. Now if only I could figure out why I have to do this in the first place :P
15:46<dutchy>because the router isn't doing it, that's why.
15:47<jonf>dutchy: and yet, it works for every other machine in the house lol. Ah well, at least it works now. Thanks again
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15:48<trmanovo>adama: it did not help me, do you have lenny with bigmem also?
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15:49<claytonwalker>alrighty then, I'm back. No such luck. 1280x1024 is still not a mode.
15:49<adama>I have squeeze, 2.6.26-1-686 (no bigmem)
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15:49<chealer>.
15:49<trmanovo>hmm, that means may be the sound card then, let me check mine, one sec
15:49<cahoot>claytonwalker: might worth the trouble to read /var/log/Xorg.0.log for a possible clue
15:52<claytonwalker>cahoot: alright, its open. tells me the "Output VGA using initial mode 1280x768"
15:53<cahoot>claytonwalker: you want to look for lines telling why 1280x1024 is discarded
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15:54<adama>trmanovo: it's probably your Flash plugin. Which are you using? (goto about:plugins) You may be able to upgrade it
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15:55<claytonwalker>cahoot, it says absolutely nothing about why it would be discarded. it acts as if i had never tried to do anything.
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15:55<trmanovo>adama: i am using the one from marillat, the thing is, with another computer, same system, no problems
15:56<benjgvps>Thanks for the help guys! I will totally use the OS without a GUI! Have a nice day!
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15:56<trmanovo>adama: application/x-shockwave-flash, Shockwave Flash, swf
15:56<trmanovo>libflashplayer.so
15:57<trmanovo>Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22
15:57<trmanovo>Is it the same one you have?
15:57<claytonwalker>cahoot, i just read somewhere that "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" might help. what would that do?
15:58<trmanovo>adama: same system I meant same lenny, packages, etc, different hardware
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16:02<trmanovo>adama: sound device on irq 22, (bus,device,function=0,27,0), intel integrated to motherboard. Do you also have an integrated sound card? May be the kernel is not handling it properly. I haven't been able to make audacity work recording from the soundcard either. Have you tried that?
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16:04<trmanovo>lspci | grep -i audio; 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller
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16:09<adama>trmanovo: I have a Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) ...onboard
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16:09<jose>ola
16:09<jose>alguien habla español
16:10<trmanovo>adama: that could be the problem
16:10<jose>nathyng
16:10<trmanovo>josé: ¿qué necesitas?
16:10<matth>!es
16:10<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:10<adama>Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22 as well
16:11<jose>como se puede instalar un archivo con extension .bin?
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16:11<trmanovo>adama: yeah, i am thinking I am going to get a sound card and install it, this is bothering me too much
16:12<jose>adios
16:12<jose>ya que nadie me contesta
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16:14<trmanovo>thanks adama, i will see what i can do, at least sharing we were able to approximate the source of the pain
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16:27<claytonwalker>am i on? well then can I switch now to gnome? im on xfce and id like to switch...
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16:36<huseyin_>May I ask something about sbnc?
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16:46<bja>dpkg: tell huseyin_ about ask
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16:47<dpkg>shroudBNC is an IRC proxy. Packaged for Debian, see /usr/share/doc/sbnc/README.Debian regarding file locations. Lenny users: run 'dpkg-reconfigure sbnc' after installation to apply initial configuration (Debian bug #516468). http://wiki.shroudbnc.info/ http://www.shroudbnc.info/ #sbnc on irc.quakenet.org.
16:49<huseyin_>[huseyin_] (sbnc@huseyinersoy.net.tr): Huseyin ERSOY <-- i cant change ident, how can i change ident on sbnc? thanks
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16:50<locklace>dpkg: revolution
16:50<dpkg>eliminate fsck power of brutal event!
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16:51<xeon-enouf>dpkg: consolekit must die is rm /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90consolekit (or mv them out of the way) ; edit /etc/rc.local to contain a line "sudo pkill console-*" ; mv /etc/rc2.d/S02rc.local /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.local ; reboot . Ask me about <sudo> and <sudoers>. This works for me on Openbox with no DE nor any DM, not sure if KDE/GNOME/Xfce4 will like this
16:51<dpkg>xeon-enouf: okay
16:51<xeon-enouf>er
16:52<xayon>!consolekit
16:52<xayon>dpkg: consolekit
16:52<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, xayon
16:52<xayon>oh! =(
16:53<locklace>what
16:53<locklace>why would you run sudo in rc.local
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16:53<bja>!consolekit must die
16:53<dpkg>hmm... consolekit must die is rm /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90consolekit (or mv them out of the way) ; edit /etc/rc.local to contain a line "sudo pkill console-*" ; mv /etc/rc2.d/S02rc.local /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.local ; reboot . Ask me about <sudo> and <sudoers>. This works for me on Openbox with no DE nor any DM, not sure if KDE/GNOME/Xfce4 will like this
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17:12<xeon-enouf>becuase consolekit runs as root
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17:18<locklace>what do you think rc.local runs as
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17:19<xeon-enouf>locklace: well it didn't work for me without sudo prefix
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17:19<locklace>then you botched something
17:20<xeon-enouf>but that could've been prior to me figuring out some fool altered the default S99 to S03
17:20<xeon-enouf>shit .. i pasted the non-modified version
17:21<xeon-enouf>dpkg: consolekit must die =~ s#S02rc.local#S03rc.local#
17:21<dpkg>OK, xeon-enouf
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17:24<xeon-enouf>ya know paste should be spelled paiste .. so non-native-english spkrs don't think 'past + bin' when told to use a pastebin -- heh, it's just when it's in pasted form ..man .. what a convoluted language
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18:05<noise_>can i find bitorrent for linux
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18:11<rudi_s>noise_: rtorrent is IMHO a good torrent program (console only).
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18:13<noise_>how can i find it?
18:13<rudi_s>noise_: find or install? find: http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/ install: aptitude install rtorrent
18:14<noise_>ok
18:14<noise_>thanks
18:14<rudi_s>np
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18:40<tcsetattr>so sick of man-db showing me the wrong man page. why can't debian include the real man program
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18:41<themill>wrong man page?
18:41*weasel wonders what tcsetattr is smoking
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18:43<tcsetattr>"man 3p open" (the POSIX man pages are in section 3p) -> "open(3perl) shows up instead.
18:44<tcsetattr>I've seen other stupid things happen in the past where I asked for a man page with a capital letter and it gave me the lowercase one instead (a totally different page)
18:44<tcsetattr>and I've seen some that defy explanation. man-db is guessing too much. man should just do what it's told
18:45<themill>There's no open.3p anywhere in debian.
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18:46<tcsetattr>man-pages-posix (non-free since they're OpenGroup/IEEE authored, but a damn fine thing to have around).
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18:46<tcsetattr>the point is man-db sucks, I want the good old man back.
18:46<weasel>and with *tada* man 3posix you get it.
18:46<themill>manpages-posix-dev contains open.3posix (so man 3posix works)
18:46<weasel>the point is that you apparently don't know how to use the tools correctly.
18:47<tcsetattr>hmm. So debian's man-pages-posix package has renamed them.
18:47<themill>tcsetattr: you're expecting man-db to magically know that you mean 3posix for 3p instead of 3perl. If you want it to make that assumption, send a patch and convince the rest of the world that's good.
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18:48<tcsetattr>it boils down to this: I have a /usr/man/man3p/open.3p.gz on my system (nont relevant really how I got it there) and man-db is too stupid to show it when it's asked
18:49<themill>tcsetattr: I presume you didn't bother to tell man to look there though
18:49<tcsetattr>and it DOES mix up case of letters when there are pages that differ only in case (like Fcntl vs fcntl)
18:49<weasel>and have you filed bugs about all these issues:?
18:49<tcsetattr>no, the bug is that the traditional man program has been shoved aside for an inadequate replacement
18:50<weasel>you have no idea what you're talking about.
18:50<themill>tcsetattr: given that you randomly created another man page dir that debian doesn't ship, did you think to configure man to look there in /etc/manpath.config?
18:50<weasel>man-db is *the* man program.
18:50<tcsetattr>man-db is shit. man-1.5 was fine.
18:50<themill>and manpath has always been searched and always needed to be configured....
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18:51*themill heats up the trollstamp
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18:51<tcsetattr>it finds _other_ man pages in that directory. it just won't see past the fact that "3perl" is not "3p"
18:51<bja>Where can i search for a bublic gpg keyserver ?
18:52<weasel>bja: on the intarwebs?
18:52<bja>yes
18:52<themill>bja: subkeys.pgp.net amongst many others
18:52<bja>tcsetattr: if you need perl help use perldoc
18:52<bja>themill: thx
18:52<weasel>bja: I'd recommend keys.gnupg.net over subkeys.pgp.net these days?
18:53<tcsetattr>perldoc is a silly reinvention of man, of no value to anyone
18:53<weasel>maybe it finds others because nothing conflicting is in the SECTION search path first.
18:53<themill>tcsetattr: are you just here to complain or do you actually want help?
18:53*bja spots a 20cm high troll
18:53<weasel>but you probably aren't interested in a solution anyway
18:54<tcsetattr>I'm campaigning for a change (or the reversal of a change, if the other man package was ever in Debian, which I can't remember)
18:55<weasel>according to the changelog this man entered debian in 1994.
18:55<tcsetattr>the only way to find out whether your campaign will have the support of the masses is to start talking to people. that's what I'm doing.
18:55<themill>tcsetattr: this isn't the place for that. Perhaps email the debian-devel mailing list. But you might like to have some clue what you're talking about before you do so.
18:55<weasel>Tue Nov 8 23:17:22 GMT 1994 Wilf. (G.Wilford@ee.surrey.ac.uk)
18:55<weasel> * Version: 2.2a4
18:55<tcsetattr>so far the signs aren't good :)
18:55<weasel>you might have trouble convincing us to go back to your "1.5" version
18:55<tcsetattr>it's still maintained... I see they're up to 1.6f now.
18:56<weasel>erm. no?
18:56<themill>tcsetattr: your pebkac in being unable to configure /etc/manpath.config when you randomly install other directories and/or some other authors inability to write proper section headers into a man page is unlikely to gain much traction.
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18:57<tcsetattr>hardly "random" I downloaded and installed the posix man pages without using a .deb
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18:58<themill>into a directory that debian doesn't ship...
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18:58<tcsetattr>into the default directory that the upstream distributor chose... that's not random, that's just "not being a debian pedant"
18:58<weasel>just fix manpath.config to search there first then.
18:59<weasel>anyway. enough feeding
18:59<tcsetattr>I'm sorry I didn't write a detailed catalog of the stupid behaviors of man-db. This was only the most recent one, the others are vague memories
18:59<weasel>I'm sorry I ever started listening to you.
18:59<themill>tcsetattr: debian not configuring every single directory that any random upstream decides to ship is hardly debian's fault. Configure your manpath properly or install the man pages from the debian package. pebkac is not debian's problem.
19:00<tcsetattr>it's obviously configured properly or I wouldn't be able to see ANY man pages in that directory.
19:00<weasel>hah
19:00<tcsetattr>you can't make this a configuration problem. It's a program-being-stupid-by-trying-to-outguess-the-user problem
19:00<themill>ffs..
19:01<weasel>it may be that. but it's also a user attitude problem.
19:01<weasel>those aren't mutually exclusive
19:01<tcsetattr>1. it know about the directory 2. There is no other match for the "man 3p open" that I asked for 3. It shows an approximate-match instead 4. man-db sucks
19:01<themill>tcsetattr: next you're going to complain that rm actually deleted files for you
19:01<themill>tcsetattr: file bugs with patches or shut up about it. #debian is not the place for your whinging.
19:01<tcsetattr>if I told it to rm open.3p and it decided to rm open.3perl instead, yep
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19:04<tcsetattr>a reasonable bug report would be "ITP man-1.6f" but I'm not enough of a bureaucrat to pull that off.
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19:06<dondelelcaro>tcsetattr: because if open.3p doesn't exist, that's what it should do.
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19:06<weasel>dondelelcaro: he in a moment of unsurpassed clarity decided to install upstream's manpages manually into man.3p/
19:06<dondelelcaro>heh
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19:07<weasel>dondelelcaro: and now it's debian's fault that he is too bitchy to update /etc/manpath.config
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19:07<tcsetattr>just found this in a README.Debian: "POSIX manpages are maintained under separate 0p,1p and 3p sections, but this convention is not conforming with FHS"
19:07<Marillion>It is always easier to look for flaws in others than in yourself
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19:08<tcsetattr>damn FHS wants to dictate what man sections exist. And gets them wrong, as usual
19:09<themill>tcsetattr: do you actually have a question that you want an answer to? Or are you just here to complain?
19:09<weasel>damn liberal repulicats
19:09<tcsetattr>well, the question was originally "why did Debian choose man-db over the other one?" to which nobody really had anything to say, so it turned into this.
19:10<tcsetattr>or rather "why doesn't Debian package both man and man-db and let me choose, like it does with so many other things that have competing alternatives?"
19:10<weasel>to which the answer was "man-db is *the* man"
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19:10<weasel>probably because nobody thought it worth their while
19:10<themill>tcsetattr: please give up the whinging then. This is a user support channel, not agony aunts. And that was *not* your original question -- you just started complaining from the start.
19:11<themill>People Skills 101 and Dealing With Volunteers 102 might be good places to start.
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19:11<tcsetattr>if this is only the "asking questions of the Debian Volunteers" channel, where is the "hanging out and chatting with people who use Debian" channel?
19:11<weasel>make one
19:12<bja>Next door
19:12*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
19:12<tcsetattr>because my first guess for that would have to be irc.debian.org:#debian, which is where we are.
19:13<tcsetattr>"offtopic" is a funny way to describe talking about the programs contained in Debian
19:13<themill>Except that you've been around here more than enough to know that this is a user support channel and not a discussion channel.
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19:15<tcsetattr>except for me and the people yelling at me, it's been a almost-completely-idle channel for the last 20 or 30 minutes
19:15<themill>And long may it be idle.
19:15<bja>wrong you've been here for the past 34 mins trolling around
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19:15<Gunther>and i was hoping here was some entertainment
19:17<Marillion>Gunther: this here is _not_ a social channel
19:17<Gunther>i know... i was joking
19:18<tcsetattr>yeah, comparison of unix man programs is "social". it's all we talk about at the family gatherings
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19:21<Marillion>.o0 (It is always worth while asking a question, though it is not always worth while answering one. (EOT) the life is to short
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19:22<Gunther>tcsetattr: well, you have to have a topic, if you want to socialize...
19:23<sdsdsd>guys, i need help
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19:23<sney>!ask
19:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
19:23<sdsdsd>about user accounting, i am a Laptop user, is it secure to disable acct?
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19:24<sdsdsd>(Debian Squeeze amd64, 2.6.31)
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19:24<Marillion>use stable, if you want a secure system
19:25<tcsetattr>you mean literally the "acct" package, with accton, lastcomm and friends?
19:25<weasel>people still use that?
19:25<sdsdsd>i mean acct on rcconf
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19:26<tcsetattr>that would be /etc/init.d/acct, which ... basically calls accton for you. There's no harm in turning that off. It just means the logging won't be done, so you can't use lastcomm or sa anymore.
19:27<weasel>why do you have it installed anyway?
19:28<tcsetattr>go ahead an run "lastcomm | less" and if you don't think it's really cool and want to keep it, kick it to the dpkg --purge
19:28<sdsdsd>ok, but my problem is, when i rcconf and disabe it, it cant be disabled. it appears to be disabled but when i type rcconf again it stay enabled
19:29<tcsetattr>sounds like rcconf is just confused
19:29<sdsdsd>i dont need to purge it, i just want to disable...
19:29<sdsdsd>it just happens with acct
19:30<sdsdsd>how to disable it manually?
19:30<tcsetattr>hmm.. that is weird. I tried it out, I disabled acct with rcconf, and ran rcconf again, not acct isn't even in the list anymore!
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19:30<sdsdsd>...
19:31<sdsdsd>here doesnt works
19:31<sdsdsd>how to manually disable it?
19:31<tcsetattr>I can't re-enable it and you can't disable it. something is fishy with rcconf or acct or both
19:32<sdsdsd>i think acct, rcconf is ok with other things
19:33<sdsdsd>how to disable u=it manually?
19:33<tcsetattr>I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that acct is first alphabetically (in my /etc/init.d at least)
19:33<sdsdsd>maybe
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19:34<sdsdsd>can i just go /etc/init.d and delete acct?
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19:35<tcsetattr>or put an exit 0 at the top, or change the rc*.d symlinks from S to K...
19:35<sdsdsd>its rcconf problem, the first on the list cant be disabled.
19:36<themill>or just uninstall it
19:36<sdsdsd>ok, ill reboot
19:36<sdsdsd>ty
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19:36<tcsetattr>rebooting seems extreme
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19:40<tcsetattr>is it OK with the channel police if I investigate and fix the rcconf bug? that would be outside the mandate of "answering questions" and I wouldn't want to make anyone madder!
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19:44<Marillion>it is better as complaining, but a bug-report with patch much better
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19:48<zimme>trying to install debian from usb stick on my acer 1810tz, but I get "kernel panic vfs: can't mount root filesystem" all the time
19:48<zimme>any ideas why
19:48<zimme>?
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19:50<Marillion>zimme: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/apas02.html.en#howto-getting-images-usb?
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19:50<bja>zimme: also take a look here to see if your lap is listed http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Acer
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19:55<mtnman>sugi?
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20:07<jason__>hi
20:07<bja>hi
20:07<jason__>im jason from brazil
20:08<jason__>im not speak english well, im using backtrack
20:08<sney>!br
20:08<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
20:08<bja>!br
20:08<sney>also
20:08<sney>!based on debian
20:08<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
20:09<bja>sney your point
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20:10<sney>bja: he's using backtrack, that's a TEH HAXORZ distribution based on debian
20:11<sney>it's Security Oriented(tm) which means that any kiddie can install it and instantly become a pro hacker. or something
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20:11<bja>i didn't know that
20:13<sney>learn something new every day
20:14<sney>speaking of learning new things, any idea what I should do about this? http://paste.debian.net/47944
20:15<bja>did you pinned them?
20:15<sney>nope, it's all automatic
20:16<sney>I didn't update that system for a couple weeks (it was off) and when I did, this happened
20:17<bja>It happened to me once on a similar situation because i skipped a few versions in between updates
20:17<bja>if my memory serves me right i forced the update, i believe using aptitude, but i can't recall exactly
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20:18<sney>hmm, I'll poke through aptitude's manpage
20:18<sney>the whole based on debian support game is going to be so much fun when google os comes out
20:19<bja>sney: i opened aptitude interactively and selected each of the packages, that's how i did it
20:19<sney>since it's going to be an ubuntu fork, you know
20:19<sney>ahh
20:20<adama>sney: you don't have to do anything about those kept-back packages... if you really want you can do "apt-get install xserver-xorg" and it will probably tell you some problem
20:21<sney>adama: yeah, it didn't seem to be causing any problems. I just don't like seeing all that crap
20:21<themill>a "full-upgrade" is probably all you need. /msg dpkg kept back
20:21<sney>low priority issue
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20:22<xeem>om
20:22<sney>ah, groovy. that's what I was looking for.
20:22<xeem>err, sorry
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20:51<tomar>anyone up?
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20:57<jpinx-eeepc>just ask
20:57<jpinx-eeepc>!ask
20:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:01<tomar>i'm trying to remember the commands to link two computers. first i need to assign them both ips on the same subnet, then something with 'route add default...'
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21:02<icebrain>route add default gw GATEWAY_IP
21:02<jpinx-eeepc>tomar: ssh / rsync / sshfs / ssh -X
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21:04<tomar>icebrain: that it?
21:05<icebrain>tomar: that's to allow one PC to connect to the "exterior" through the other. If you just want to connect the two, choosing the IPs will be sufficent, iirc
21:05<icebrain>*sufficient
21:05<tomar>when i did this before i had to set the ddefault route iirc
21:06<tomar>*default
21:07<icebrain>well, "man route" has some examples
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21:11<tomar>thx
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21:51<Silicium01>I have partitioned my hard drive as ext3. is there any utility that will squeeze out some unpartitioned space? I need to install another os without breaing existing debian
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21:52<sney>parted/gparted supposedly has that ability, though i haven't used it myself
21:52<sney>I bet it's better at resizing linux partitions than windows ones, anyway
21:53<bja>Silicium01: I've used gparted onced, although i used it on a livecd to reconfigure a machine
21:53<bja>and it worked fine
21:53<Silicium01>bja, it did not break existing os?
21:54<bja>no it didn't
21:54<Silicium01>I dont know what to do with it:
21:54<Silicium01>/dev/sda1 ext3 /
21:54<bja>do you have various partitions or do you have one single big one?
21:54<Silicium01>/dev/sda2 extended
21:54<Silicium01>and underneath sda2 there is sub one
21:54<Silicium01>/dev/sda5 linux-swap
21:55<bja>df -h should give you how much space you have left on each partition
21:55<Silicium01>bja I have 287 gb unused on /dev/sda1
21:56<Silicium01>I wonder how i can squeeze some unpartitioned space out of it
21:56<bja>ok one big partition, i don't think you'll get into trouble, but doing a backup of your data will not harm anyone
21:56<kop>Silicium01: gparted, or resize2fs followed by some partition frobbing.
21:56<kop>Silicium01: Always start with a backup.
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21:57<Silicium01>kop, bja, does this need to be done with live cd or can i be running my linux system as I do it?
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21:57<kop>Silicium01: You can't be using the partition, which probably means live cd.
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21:57<colby>[repost from freenode] i'm hoping to build a kernel on a lenny system for an older sarge system, but the dependency on a new version of coreutils is strong (install fails even if i force)... short of building a sarge system to build a sarge kernel, do i have any other options?
21:58<kop>Silicium01: The partition should not be mounted.
21:58<Silicium01>kop, will doing this and installing other os on newly freed unpartitioned space mees up grub?
21:58<kop>Silicium01: No. But if "other os" is Microsoft, installation will tend to destroy everything on the drive.
21:59<Silicium01>kop, yes it will be windows, but as far as I know it does not touch other partitions
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22:00<kop>Silicium01: Last I paid attention MS Windows insists on being the first partition. It also installs it's own boot loader over whatever's there. And my experience it repartitions the entire drive. YMMV.
22:00<Silicium01>I wonder if it will mess up boot and grub and I wont be able to boot into linux again
22:00<bja>Silicium01: why don't you use a vm?
22:00<kop>bja: That's a good idea.
22:01<Silicium01>kop, bja, I'm using VM but my phone dirvers dont work in VM
22:01<bja>Silicium01: what vm are you using?
22:01<Silicium01>I need windows to update my phone's software
22:01<Silicium01>vmware and virtualbox
22:01<kop>Silicium01: Minimum, you'll have to re-install grub. You can poke the MS boot loader to chain load grub from another location, but what a pain.
22:02<Silicium01>virtual box does not even recognize it, vmware crashes
22:02<kop>bja: Would kvm work?
22:02<bja>Silicium01: if you have a recent cpu you might get kvm to work properly, what cpu are you using?
22:03<Silicium01>one of the core 2 duos
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22:03<bja>!literal xve
22:03<dpkg>"xve" is "<reply> To confirm if your processor supports x86 virtualization extensions. run: egrep -q -e '^flags.*vmx' -e '^flags.*svm' /proc/cpuinfo && echo 'virtualization extensions available'. Note that Intel VT (IVT) support may be switched off in firmware for some implementations. See also <virtualization>."
22:04<kop>bja: Gosh that looks like fun. I'm going to try it.
22:04<bja>it is fun although there are some problems with intel hardware
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22:05<bja>Silicium01: kdm or intel?
22:05<bja>Silicium01: one last resort would be replacing the hdd to install windows on it
22:05<bja>the safest part i guess (besides the vm)
22:05<Silicium01>bja, I thought about that, I might do just that, maybe on a usb or something
22:06<bja>ok. got to go now
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22:07<kop>Not a very nice script. All I get is an error status of 1. Sorta reverses the expected convention. :)
22:07<Silicium01>kop, dies not give me anything
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22:07<kop>Silicium01: It won't do virtualization then.
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22:07<VTommy>hello guys
22:07<sxx>hello goodmorning
22:08<Silicium01>kop, I dont know it works, how will it not do it?
22:08<VTommy>anyone can guide me to install a remote desktop server on debian?
22:08<VTommy>only access to server is ssh right now
22:08<Silicium01>I eman i'm running vms, but phone wont work with it
22:08<kop>Silicium01: As I read the script it will only produce any output at all if there are virtualization options built into the cpu.
22:08<Silicium01>kop, I see
22:09<VTommy>i'm running lenny
22:09<Silicium01>VTommy, why would you want to do that?
22:09<sxx>i have aproblem everytime i start y pc just after grub kicks in i get ata 0+1 softreset failed (device not ready) i have googled it but couldn`t find a fix any1 please
22:09<kop>VTommy: What do you mean "remote desktop server??
22:09<VTommy>i need to connect to that server with xterminal or some way like a remote desktop software so i can control it remotely
22:09<Silicium01>kop, I think he wants remote desktop
22:10<VTommy>x11 is not installed on the server
22:10<Silicium01>VTommy, what would you do in remote desktop that you can't do in ssh?
22:10<kop>VTommy: I use x11vnc or use 'ssh -X' and just start my program.
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22:11<Silicium01>VTommy, it just takes lot of resources if you're just unning a webserver or something
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22:11<VTommy>how do i setup for ssh -X
22:11<VTommy>it's dedicated server i have full control of that server, i can install anything that is needed
22:11<Silicium01>kop, but he need gnome or kde onr emote machine first right?
22:11<kop>VTommy: ssh -X you@example.com 'xeyes', should do it.
22:12<kop>VTommy: You could install the X clients and use x11vnc to get a full desktop. As Silicium01 said you'd need a desktop then, of some flavor, on the remote box.
22:12<VTommy>the installation that was done was in console, no xwindows or x11 or xserver was installed
22:13<VTommy>so basic console only and then apache2/php5 and other tools
22:13<VTommy>thats it
22:13<kop>VTommy: What are you really trying to do?
22:13<VTommy>kop: remote desktop to that server
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22:13<kop>VTommy: Why?
22:13<Silicium01>VTommy, it will slow it dow significantly if machine is used for web services mostly
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22:13<VTommy>kop: like a windows termianl server
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22:14<VTommy>Silicium: it would only be needed on manual start so i can ssh to it start it connect to gnome or whatever is needed then stop the x from running
22:14<Silicium01>VTommy, we get it, we know what you want. Question is: What tasks will you be carying out? if you're goign to just move files around in remote nautilus that would be a resource hog
22:14<VTommy>it will use firefox to access internet that's about it
22:14<kop>VTommy: You'll want x11vnc, or make your xdm/gdm/kdm publicly available. But you probably want to tunnel the traffic through something secure, right?
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22:15<VTommy>yes if possible with ssh or some sort of security
22:15<kop>VTommy: The just install firefox (or iceweasel) and do 'ssh -X you@example.com iceweasel' and it'll run.
22:15<kop>VTommy: You'll see it on your local X display.
22:16<VTommy>kop: where do i go about if i have no linux box at my location now
22:16<VTommy>kop: do i need to have access to gnome already
22:16<Silicium01>kop, does he need xserver onremote machine for that?
22:16<kop>VTommy: (Or maybe it's ssh -Y, I forget....)
22:16<kop>Silicium01: No, just the client.
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22:16<VTommy>can i use putty to do that
22:16<kop>Silicium01: The server needs to be local.
22:17<kop>VTommy: You're using MS Windows?
22:17<VTommy>kop: yes for computer that i have now
22:17<VTommy>only server is debian
22:17<Silicium01>kop, client on remote machine?
22:17<kop>Silicium01: That's X. The server drives the equipment, which you are sitting in front of.
22:18<kop>VTommy: You need an X server for your local box. I don't know what's recommended for Windows. I'm sure there's a free one out there. I know cygwin would work, but I'm pretty sure it's overkill.
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22:18<VTommy>kop: would it be easier to have linux on the computer i'm on?
22:19<kop>VTommy: Dunno. If you had Linux already it'd sure be easier.
22:19<VTommy>kop: ok give me a sec :-)
22:20<VTommy>kop: my router is a linux debian server and it has a gnome installed
22:21<kop>VTommy: http://www.iteisa.com/xmins/
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22:23<kop>VTommy: You probably want 'ssh -Y' not -X.
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22:29<VTommy>ok i got access to the linux box at home
22:30<VTommy>now just do ssh-Y to that box?
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22:30<VTommy>saying firefox not found
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22:32<kop>VTommy: You first need to ssh into the box and install firefox. I'd recommend installing iceweasel instead because it's a simple: aptitude install iceweasel
22:33<kop>!tell VTommy -about iceweasel
22:34<VTommy>ok i installed it iceweasel
22:34<kop>VTommy: Ok, with ssh -Y it should work.
22:35<VTommy>so now that app is running on the server?
22:35<kop>VTommy: Yes.
22:35<VTommy>sweet
22:35<VTommy>that was easy
22:35<kop>VTommy: You could have avoided this by, say running links or links or another text based browser.
22:36<VTommy>but those are text based i needed graphics based
22:37<kop>VTommy: I belive I've heard good things about w3m. Ok.
22:37<VTommy>w3m?
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22:37<kop>VTommy: Another text browser.
22:38<VTommy>have access to graphics?
22:38<VTommy>i need graphics
22:38<VTommy>:-)
22:38<kop>VTommy: Probably not. Did you see the link to xmins for your MS Windows box? You'd need to do something gui-esque with putty instead of a simple -Y though.
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22:40<VTommy>can putty support it? i'm using remote desktop on my linux box
22:40<VTommy>and it's working ok there
22:41<kop>VTommy: I'd guess so. For a more remote-desktop ish experience you want x11vnc, or some sort of vpn tunnel, whether openvpn or ssh or something else, and a xdm/gdm/kdm configured to allow remote access.
22:41<kop>VTommy: Generally to export the full desktop you want to add encryption.
22:41<VTommy>kop: well i like the option of just opening up the software i need with ssh
22:42<kop>VTommy: That's what it's for. :)
22:42<VTommy>kop: that is all i need is to run a web browser remotely from that server box
22:43<kop>VTommy: Why? Out of curiousity.
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22:44<VTommy>kop: i use torrentflux, with a private tracker that has an image for login
22:44<kop>VTommy: Good thing you're not blind. :)
22:44<VTommy>lol
22:49<VTommy>kop: how about doing from putty? any suggestions there?
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22:56<kop>VTommy: The FAQ.
22:57<Gun_Smoke>I have a laptop not running X. I can't seem to nail down how to get the monitor to power off. Any ideas?
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23:10<jorzo>i would like to scan a .wav file for periods where the sound is less than a certain amplitude and force those periods to silence. What's a good tool for that?
23:13<kop>jorzo: audacity is the only audio editor I know. You could 'aptitude search ~Gaudio' for others. Which does not answer your question....
23:13<drakeman>hey guys good evening, i have debian testing, i downloaded xfce4 and xfce4-goodies using aptitude, now how i set xfce4 as default session and window manager? when i enter i still see gnome!
23:14<kop>drakeman: If you're using gdm to login I think there's an option on the login screen. Unless you need to set login screen preferences. Dunno.
23:14<Gun_Smoke>drakeman, at the gdm screen.
23:15<drakeman>kop, and Gun_Smoke i set in the gdm login window xfce session as default but when i login i see gnome!
23:15<Gun_Smoke>drakeman, It's called actions I think. Pick xfce, it will then ask if you want it to become the default,or just for this session.
23:15<drakeman>let me try it again
23:15<drakeman>be back.
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