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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-10-10

---Logopened Sat Oct 10 00:00:39 2009
---Daychanged Sat Oct 10 2009
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00:03<leper>cwood, it is very ugly jajajaaj lol jajaja
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00:07<leper>amsn don't recognize my webcam :S:S:S
00:08<leper>another msn with support for cam?
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00:09<adb>apt-cache search messenger
00:10<NiteSnow>theres one for kde but i cant remember
00:10<adb>try pidgin , kopete
00:10<leper>aaaaaaaaaaa shit!! xfce drop the webcam ñaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
00:10<leper>wait me
00:11<NiteSnow>thats it kopete
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00:11<leper>drop cam on kopete
00:11<leper>amsn
00:11<leper>emesene
00:11<adb>!enter
00:11<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
00:11<leper>and mercury don't work, it fall down alone
00:11<abrotman>did you check with something like cheese to make sure the webcam is working at all ?
00:11<leper>adb thank you =)
00:12<leper>yes abrotman
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00:18<hazard2>is there a howto anywhere for setting up a wifi access point?
00:20<abrotman>you mean for people to connect to? or like a little netgear AP ?
00:20<adb>google is plain, as http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/25517-43-setting-wifi-access-point
00:21<hazard2>I mean, setting up a linux box to act as an access point
00:21<abrotman>adb: did you actually read that?
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00:21<hazard2>I looked around on google some, I was hoping for something more debian-specific
00:21<adb>nou, why ?
00:21<abrotman>thought not
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00:22<gsimmons>dpkg: tell hazard2 -about hostapd
00:23*abrotman sometimes thinks that gsimmons highlights on 'wireless' and 'wifi'
00:23<hazard2>thanks gsimmons, just the kind of direction I was hoping for :)
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00:55<leper>how i do make kernel 2.6.3 work?
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02:37<leper>clear
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02:38<leper>msg dpkg wl
02:38<leper>xD! lol
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03:01<ans-tot1222->http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=550213#10 <-- how do i explain this?
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03:05<eeeuser>Hello, I appear to have trashed my iceweasel install by stuffing my profile. I tried removing the .mozilla directory, and starting again, but it still finds my old (broken) profile. Everything works with iceweasel -ProfileManager...
03:06<eeeuser>Does anyone know how I can fix it?
03:08<dr|z3d>eeeuser: iceweasel -P
03:08<dr|z3d>Make sure Iceweasel isn't running when you launch it like that.
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03:10<leper>how can i install kernel 2.6.30 ??
03:10<dr|z3d>leper: Run a version that has that available in the repos.
03:11<leper>but how i do it?
03:11<leper>i have install squeeze, but doesn't install that kernel
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03:12<dr|z3d>Is that kernel in the repos?
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03:12<leper>i think, before format my debian has that kernel
03:13<eeeuser>dr|z3d: Ah. There was a semi-dead firefox-bin process in the background. Thanks.
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03:13<dr|z3d>What kernel are you running now, leper?
03:13<dr|z3d>uname -a will tell you.
03:13<eeeuser>leper: I am running that kernel. It can be installed from the standard repos.
03:14<leper>2.6.26-2-amd64
03:14<leper>that is my kernel
03:15<leper>and i can't install headers for that kernel
03:16<leper>so when i tried to install fglrx i have problems with the module assistant
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03:18<chealer>leper: install linux-image-amd64
03:18<leper>ok chealer i'm doing it
03:21<leper>ok
03:21<leper>i will reboot now
03:21<leper>xD!
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03:24<leper>xD!
03:24<leper>that kernel doesn't work
03:25<leper>make the screem black and don't load anymore =D
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03:30<leper>anyone know why?
03:31<locklace>!why
03:31<dpkg>Because!
03:31<leper>lol
03:31<dr|z3d>leper: Because the kernel doesn't agree with some of your hardware, most likely.
03:32<leper>so better stay with that i have now xD!
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03:32<dr|z3d>leper: For now, probably. However, you might find a later kernel revision fixes your boot issue, so keep checking for updates.
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03:38<ji>halo
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03:45<Necrun>hi, i had a problem, i want to install debian from a pendrive, everything works but when i tried to start the installation it gives me this error: kernel panic - not syncing VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block
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03:45<dr|z3d>Necrun: How did you get the image on the drive? Unetbootin?
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03:46<Necrun>i just put this image in the main directory debian-testing-amd64-businesscard.iso
03:46<dr|z3d>Oh dear.
03:47<dr|z3d>You're not going to create a bootable disk that way. Suggest you use Unetbootin.
03:47<Necrun>oh ok, i just follow the how to from debian site :/
03:48<dr|z3d>Copying an iso straight to usb won't cut it.. Unetbootin will ensure your USB device is bootable.
03:48<Necrun>oh k
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03:49<Necrun>it looks easier heh :P
03:49<leper>i don't have the file xorg.conf i must make one?
03:49<dr|z3d>leper: Are you graphics working ok?
03:50<leper>yes i'm on xfce
03:50<leper>i minutes ago i formated, and install xfce DE
03:50<dr|z3d>Then you're fine.. no need for xorg.conf, unless you want to squeeze more performance out of your card.
03:51<leper>that i want because it see slow
03:51<leper>i have install the driver, but don't have the xorg.conf
03:51<dr|z3d>Right.. and probably lacks any hardware 3d acceleration.
03:51<locklace>X -configure
03:51<dr|z3d>You want to install the appropriate drivers for your hardware, also, probably.
03:52<dr|z3d>And give locklace's command a spin.. see if that helps.
03:52<Necrun>what video card do you have?
03:52<leper>i have an ati radeon
03:53<dr|z3d>!ati
03:53<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net).
03:53<leper>it works fine with fglrx on kde 4.3.1
03:53<Necrun>!nvidia
03:53<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>.
03:54<leper>install good
03:54<leper>locklace, X configure throw and error
03:54<leper>any shell that allows to copy and paste on it?? this one just let me write
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03:55<dr|z3d>leper: Highlight the text you wish to paste, then right click to paste.
03:55<leper>dr|z3d, i tried it but don't work
03:56<dr|z3d>leper: Well, you can always run a terminal in gedit with the appropriate plugin..
03:56<Necrun>thx dr|z3d it did the work really nice :D
03:56<dr|z3d>Necrun: happy days!
03:57<Celtiore>hi
03:57<Celtiore>can you help me for wget options please ?
03:58<dr|z3d>Celtiore: Sure. Try: man wget
03:58<Celtiore>lol
03:58<dr|z3d>Celtiore: Control + Q to escape from man.
03:58<leper>waaaa i'm getting angry
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03:58<leper>mmm
03:58<atarakt>hi
03:58<Celtiore>do you know --spider option ?
03:59<dr|z3d>man wget |grep spider
04:00<Celtiore>amazing help dr|z3d thanks you
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04:01<dr|z3d>You're welcome, Celtiore.
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04:03<leper>aaaaaaaaa this $#"%#& don't have a "#$"#$ console decent ¬¬ i'm angry
04:03<dr|z3d>leper: It should do.
04:03<leper>no
04:03<dr|z3d>leper: xfce4-terminal
04:04<dr|z3d>Otherwise, aptitude install xfce4-terminal
04:04<Celtiore>if you have time try this: http://pastebin.com/m7a4643bd and after read the man and after explain me :p
04:04<leper>ok dr|z3d
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04:05<leper>now yes dr|z3d
04:05<leper>this is a decent console =)
04:05<leper>thank you a lot
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04:06*dr|z3d smiles.
04:06<leper>jajjaaj xD!
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04:07<leper>i still don't have the xorg.conf
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04:12<leper>you know this is a shit... i will install kde again
04:12<leper>hm.
04:12<dr|z3d>leper: Why do you say that?
04:13<leper>i'm angry i go to smoke .. and think better
04:13<dr|z3d>I mean, if you didn't install the terminal initially, I suspect you may have failed to install other key components.
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04:13<leper>i can't make the xorg.conf and i need it for this thing don't comes slow
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04:14<dr|z3d>leper: That's not an Xfce issue. Be patient, we'll get you running.
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04:17<leper>ok
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04:22<dr|z3d>leper: Did you follow dpkg's advice re fglrx?
04:22<dr|z3d>!fglrx
04:22<dpkg>somebody said fglrx was "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati on irc.freenode.net.
04:23<leper>i don't get your question dr|z3d
04:23<leper>i have install the driver just like always, but now i don't have an xorg.conf
04:23<dr|z3d>leper: Let's make it simple. Did you read and follow: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary ?
04:23<leper>yes
04:23<leper>just like always
04:24<dr|z3d>Ok, well, shouldn't be too hard to fix.. either with a borrowed xorg.conf file that you copy from, or perhaps another method.
04:25<leper>i copied one form a site, but it doesn't work too
04:25<dr|z3d>Did you restart X after trying it?
04:25<leper>i copied that few lines on the wiki and don't worked
04:25<leper>yes i did
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04:26<dr|z3d>leper: Ask some questions, some folk will be able to provide better help than me. :)
04:27<dr|z3d>leper: Like chealer, for example. ;)
04:27<leper>chealer, must be busy xD!
04:27<leper>adb are you over there?
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04:28<Necrun>nop, it doesn't work :/ the same error, kernel panic ¬¬
04:28<Necrun>maybe the partition is incompatible, :/ my pendrive is 4gb
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04:29<dr|z3d>Necrun: Shouldn't be incompatible based on those variables.
04:30<Necrun>:(
04:30<Necrun>so i don't know what it's hapenning :/
04:30<dr|z3d>Necrun: Maybe you need to supply some switches to grub to disable problematic hardware.
04:30<dr|z3d>Necrun: #debian-boot may well be able to help you better.
04:31<Necrun>k, thx dr|z3d i will ask there
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04:43<leper>where i reconfigure the xrog
04:43<leper>??
04:43<leper>with dpkg?
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04:44<dr|z3d>leper: dpkg-reconfigure xorg ?
04:45<leper>yes in wich folfer may i in?
04:46<dr|z3d>From anywhere should be fine.
04:48<leper>it don't work
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04:51<leper>nothing work
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04:52<dr|z3d>leper: Make some more noise, someone else will have more clues!
04:52<locklace>!doesn't work
04:52<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
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04:52<dr|z3d>locklace: That's a bit harsh.. he was referring to dpkg-reconfigure xorg
04:52<leper>locklace just take a time read above ok ;)
04:53<dr|z3d>You tell him, leper!
04:53*dr|z3d chuckles.
04:53<Guest766>:)
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04:53<leper>Guest766, =)
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04:54<leper>i have a problem, i don't have and xorg, i don't know why, and all see on slow motion, like discovery channel, kjajaja lol
04:54<locklace>nothing above provides any further detail beyond "doesn't work"
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04:55<dr|z3d>leper: You don't have the correct drivers active on your system. You're probably using fb to display. That's your issue.
04:55<locklace>dude
04:55<locklace>become root
04:55<locklace>and run X -configure :1
04:55<locklace>man Xorg
04:55<leper>x -configure send a issue
04:56<locklace>and before you do any of that, "aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-radeon"
04:56<leper>yes
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04:58<leper>well time to go to bed, and sleep here is 5 am
04:58<leper>see ya guys thank you for all
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05:11<tuxer>hello, can anyone tell me where to find a list of repositories?
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05:21<chealer>!tell tuxer about mirrors
05:22<wmader>Hello, is there a channel concerning debian and LaTeX?
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05:27<valdyn>wmader: the "I'm feeling lucky" google hit was : http://www.tug.org/texlive/debian.html
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05:27<wmader>hmm, how can i have missed that? thank you!
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05:41<tuxer>Hey?
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05:58<tuxer>no one talking here so i guess no one's interested in support requests?
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06:01<jim>hi debianers; I have a small question about kvm; I run a Lenny on a Intel i7 machine and when I start kvm, the title of the window does not show QEMU/KVM but only QEMU; following the README.Debian into /usr/share/doc; when kvm runs at full speed, the window title should display QEMU/KVM; I checked the modules and the kvm and kvm-intel ones are loaded and I has read/write access to /dev/kvm; any idea ?
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06:06<rovan>www.apt-get.org
06:07<rovan>tuxer?
06:08<valdyn>jim: it seems to only read "QEMU" now when kvm is used
06:08<valdyn>jim: check dmesg, it might show debugging output from kvm
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06:10<generallee>gwe
06:11<generallee>g
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06:26<locklace>right. http://paste.debian.net/48681/ why would plugging in a single usb stick cause two separate scsi devices sdb and sdc to appear with some weird partition relationship between them
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06:29<valdyn>locklace: thats not that unusual
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06:31<locklace>yeah, i think some sticks identify themselves as both an hdd and an fdd device
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06:31<valdyn>locklace: or disk and cdrom
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07:37<Wiilthril>hi all
07:37-!-Wiilthril is now known as Wilthril
07:38<sensible># Script name: lazyjoin.pl
07:38<sensible># usage: this script like join in mIRC. You don't typo /j #channel,
07:38<sensible># but u can do like this typo /j channel (like in mIRC)
07:38<sensible># Put this code in your .xchat2 direktori.
07:38<sensible>use strict;
07:38<sensible>use warnings;
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07:38<Wilthril>anyone knows how do I know if my computer is connected to a gigabit ethernet LAN?
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07:43<tazz>Wilthril, mii-tool -v
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07:44<Wilthril>awesome tazz that's exactly it thanks a lot :)
07:44<tazz>Wilthril, yw
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07:49<Wilthril>by the way tazz do you know the dhcp client pump? is it better than dhcp3-client? (as a dhcp client)
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07:53<slush>hmz, this is strange .. my gnome session seems to have forgotten that it can do utf8
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07:56<tazz>Wilthril, i dont have a clue.
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07:57<Wilthril>ok thanks anyway
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08:21<marsim>hi all. may I place a question regarding a particular routing ?
08:22<locklace>!ask
08:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:24<marsim>thank, I've set up a linux box with two network car, a cable one and a wifi one. Both are on the same subnet and now -i would like that this linux box will act as a router. The question is: is it possible to have a linux box acting as a router with both nic on the same subnet ?
08:25<petemc>where would you like it to route to?
08:25<marsim>route to the access point
08:26<petemc>can your other machines not connect to the access point already?
08:26<abrotman>you want a bridge?
08:26<Gathond>yes he does :)
08:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 390] by debhelper
08:27<marsim>the situation is this: XBOX--crossed cable--Linux Box-- wifi---Access Point
08:27<Gathond>you could probably technically do that with routes though
08:28<marsim>in brief I need the xbox connect to the LAN and Internet via linux box and wifi and I wonder if it is possible to do this without changing the addressing schema
08:28<Gathond>I would just bridge the 2
08:28<Gathond>but technically if you put up fine enough grained routes I suppose you could pull the other off
08:29<weasel>he probably doesn't want routing.
08:29<Gathond>not really, he wants bridging
08:29<marsim>no,no for me routing is ok
08:29<weasel>marsim: then start by not building broken setups.
08:29<Gathond>marsim: yes, but using routing to bridge subnets is ... a dirty easy to break hack
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08:29<weasel>marsim: you don't usually have "the same subnet" on two sides of a router
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08:30<Gathond>if it can be pulled off, but I think it can
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08:30<weasel>it can. it's just not nice.
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08:30<marsim>yes I know that a router should have two subnets but I was wondering if it is possible to have a configuration in order to have routing on the same subnet
08:31<dli>marsim, some router allows a bridge mode
08:31<weasel>you want bridging.
08:31<Gathond>marsim: but you don't really want routing, you want a bridge ... to have the 2 nics behave as one
08:31<Gathond>at least logically
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08:36<songohan>Hello do you know where i could find information about DNS-SD ?
08:36<weasel>what's that?
08:37<dbldtx>Avahi is a Zeroconf implementation for Linux and BSDs. It implements IPv4LL, mDNS and DNS-SD.
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08:37<songohan>It means DNS-Service Discovery
08:37<rovan>www.dns-sd.org
08:38<songohan>The website is unreachable for me :(
08:38<songohan>can you access it ?
08:38<NiteSnow>yeh same here
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08:40<songohan>It's to do a work school
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08:41<rovan>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS-SD
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08:44<songohan>thanks rovan and dbldtx
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08:45<rovan>:)
08:45<songohan>I will try to find examples to use this technology
08:45<LuizMota>close
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08:54<vinicius>hi! i'm trying to get into a router configuration screen through its IP, but it doesnt seem the same network
08:54<vinicius>the IP is 192.168.1.254... so maybe if I ifup to an ip of this network?
08:55<petemc>that should work
08:55<vinicius>petemc, ill try
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08:56<petemc>be as easy to try without asking first, but ok
08:56<vinicius>Ignoring unknown interface 192.168.1.1=192.168.1.1.
08:56<petemc>whats telling you that?
08:56<vinicius>ifup
08:57<petemc>pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
08:58<vinicius>http://pastebin.org/42427
08:58<insmod><vinicius>lol just edit /etc/network/interfaces then ifdown eth0 ifup eth0
08:59<petemc>vinicius: ifup uses configuration from /etc/network/interfaces
08:59<insmod><vinicius>all wrong
09:00<vinicius>insmod, pls fix it, then
09:00<insmod>auto eth0
09:00<insmod>iface eth0 inet dhcp
09:00<vinicius>insmod, im connected through ppp
09:00<petemc>i think he static might be more appropriate
09:00<vinicius>insmod, usb ppp
09:00<vinicius>insmod, i dont want eth0 to be auto
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09:01<petemc>vinicius: do you know what auto means?
09:01<abrotman>!insmod
09:01<dpkg>Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer
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09:01<vinicius>petemc, to up this interface when system initialize?
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09:01<petemc>vinicius: you should take the small amount of time necessary to learn the syntax of the interfaces file, its not hard and its useful;
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09:02<vinicius>petemc, well what does it mean?
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09:02<insmod>you have no line for that
09:02<petemc>vinicius: oh, you were right about auto
09:02<vinicius>petemc, i dont use any interface on my computer to connect to the internet except ppp
09:02<petemc>im referring to your request for someone else to fix your file
09:03<vinicius>petemc, oh... ok... it seems good to me
09:03<vinicius>petemc, but i dont know how to configure this router here
09:03<insmod><vinicius>so dial up
09:03<petemc>vinicius: configure a static interface in the subnet you require
09:03<insmod><vinicius>is it pppoe?
09:03<vinicius>insmod, no... ppp
09:04<vinicius>insmod, i already dialed up... i just want to configure a router
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09:04<lien>cgcgc gygcdgfgd
09:04<lien>gfdggdgfdfdgfgfyd hdyfdfyg
09:04<vinicius>petemc, how do i do this exactly?
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09:04<trol>try this
09:04<trol>allow-hotplug eth0
09:04<trol>iface eth0 inet dhcp
09:04<petemc>no..
09:04<insmod><vinicius>ok the router is through the browser
09:04<petemc>vinicius: man 5 interfaces
09:05<vinicius>insmod, i know... but i dont seem to be in the same network
09:05<insmod><vinicius>use the router ip in the browser
09:05<lien>i don't know what must you do now??????what's going on?????
09:05<petemc>vinicius: hang on, you're connected to the device already?
09:05<insmod><vinicius>i see
09:05<vinicius>insmod, i did that
09:06<insmod><vinicius>just ifconfig and set the ppp ip manualy
09:06<lien>heiiiiiii bisa gak pake bahasa indonesia ja????????
09:06<lien>good evening???!!
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09:07<vinicius>did it...
09:07<marsim>best internet/doc to set-up a linux lan + wi-fi bridge ?
09:07<vinicius>thanks guys
09:07<vinicius>simple as it
09:07<vinicius>=P
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09:08<insmod><vinicius>what worked
09:09<vinicius>insmod, setting the ip to static
09:09<insmod><vinicius>cool
09:09<vinicius>of my eth1 interface
09:09<Wilthril>has anyone here tried to replace dhcp3-client to pump?
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09:14<vinicius>what package replaces ipmasq?
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09:32<Wilthril>weird when i do a "cp -r foo/ bar/" the bar attributes are not exactly the same (foo is on an ext2 partition and bar ext3)
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09:33<songohan>you have ti
09:33<songohan>ti use the -p parameter to copy the permissions
09:33<Wilthril>thanks i'll try
09:34<jpinx-eeepc>Wilthril: man cp ;)
09:34<Wilthril>jpinx-eeepc: i did that ^^
09:35<jpinx-eeepc>aait's pretty obvious in there - wear stronger glasses? :)
09:36<Wilthril>ok ok my bad but it says ownerships not attributes... I mean the owners were right
09:36<Wilthril>but -rp did the trick so it's my fault my apologies :)
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09:37<jpinx-eeepc>Wilthril: cool - man cp |grep attributes would have given you a clue ;)
09:37<songohan>I don't understand what you say
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09:38<Wilthril>wow grep works with man... i didn't know that T_T
09:39<jpinx-eeepc>learning something everyday is not a problem - remembering it is my problem ;)
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09:39<Wilthril>hehe but the grep with the man is quite useful
09:40<Wilthril>if only my unix teacher would teach that kind of useful stuff -_-
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09:44<pander1203>yes
09:44<jpinx-eeepc>Wilthril: you can man something and then do /pattern string to find string in the manpage - see man lass ;)
09:45<jpinx-eeepc>*less
09:45<jpinx-eeepc>man pages are open by less
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09:54<dbldtx>I am very confused... googling for 10 min now
09:55<dbldtx>sysv-rc-conf.. I did the deed but CANNOT figure out how to close it!
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09:57<abrotman>is there an actual question there ?
09:57<dbldtx>Got it... I am an idiot.
09:57<dbldtx>Yes it was abrotman - I was in need of assistance because I could not how to figure out a piece of software but I have it now.
09:57<dbldtx>Thank you.
09:57*abrotman doesn't see how either of those two lines constitute a question ..
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09:58<dbldtx>I apologize sincerely and will ask in the proper form next time - have you never done that ever? I haven't slept in about 30 - working on some stuff sorry.
09:59<abrotman>30 minutes!? :)
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09:59<dbldtx>-_-
09:59<dbldtx>^_^
09:59<dbldtx>Very loopy.
10:00<dbldtx>And now I have to terminate 25pair amphenols for 6 hours on a SATURDAY.
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10:02<vinicius>i managed to get into the configuration screen on my router, now i want to share my ppp network connection through it using dnsmasq
10:02<vinicius>my laptop and the router ips are statically set also
10:03<Smaffler>I'm having trouble with Samba. It tells me that "the administrator does not allow Samba sharing" or something similar. I'm not sure if my main login is administrative or not but I get the same error even as root.
10:04<pander1203>list >50
10:05<Wilthril>Smaffler: is the user trying to access to the samba share registered in smbpasswd?
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10:06<Smaffler>I'm afraid I don't know what smbpasswd is. I'm getting this error when I try to share any folder.
10:06<Smaffler>^ wilthril:
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10:07<Wilthril>Smaffler: i've worked with samba for quite some time, and i had to create a samba user if i wanted to access to a samba share
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10:07<dbldtx>I have one more question concerning streamlining a system with too many pieces of premise networked.
10:08<Smaffler>Wilthril: ok. How do I create a Samba user?
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10:08<dbldtx>The problem is that I do not know if Apache2 at boot is necessary - I have never used it.
10:08<Gathond>then why have it installed at all?
10:09<dbldtx>Gathond - well I got rid of CUPS, it just comes that way... sysv-rc-conf is helping me - should I take it off the list and just not use it/uninstall it or do I need it for system function?
10:09<Gathond>apache2 ... i very much doubt that, it is a web server
10:10<dbldtx>Gathond; thank you.
10:10<dbldtx>Problem solved.
10:10<Gathond>so unless you are doing something involving hosting webpages that one should be safe
10:10<Wilthril>Smaffler: if your user is Smaffler try "smbpasswd -a Smaffler"
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10:13<Wilthril>Smaffler: then add the appropriate stuff in smb.conf (I can paste them to pastebin if you want) and that's it you can access to the share with your login and password you just typed
10:14<Smaffler>wilthril: ok, will you pastebin the conf stuff, please? I haven't fiddled with it before ;D
10:14<Wilthril>ok wait a second
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10:15<Wilthril>Smaffler: http://pastebin.com/d4801c9c9
10:15<Wilthril>that's mine and it works :)
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10:17<Wilthril>ok i have to disconnect brb
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10:17<Smaffler>Wilthril: the smb.conf in /etc/samba, yes?
10:18<Smaffler>ah.
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10:28<Wilthril>somebody knows how i can find the hostname of my router?
10:29<abrotman>login and look ?
10:29<jpinx-eeepc>Wilthril: it'll depend on the interface you have
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10:29<Wilthril>you mean there is no command line to find such info?
10:30<jpinx-eeepc>Wilthril: Wilthril do you have cl access in your router? - if so hostname will tell you
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10:31<Wilthril>jpinx-eeepc: I have access to the administration pages (web pages) but I can't find the hostname
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10:31<jpinx-eeepc>Wilthril: like I said - it'll depend on the interface you have
10:31<jpinx-eeepc>Wilthril: rtfm for the router
10:32<Wilthril>jpinx-eeepc: ok thanks i'll do that
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10:35<bobo>salve
10:35<bobo>identify
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10:44<Wilthril>just wondering an ethernet interface not recognized by mii-tool is: not too bad/bad/very bad/i'm cursed ?
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10:58<Smaffler>...why did I set up a user and password for Samba? I haven't found any way to log in to anything...
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11:01<Smaffler>I'm trying to set up network write access to a folder so I can move stuff from one Linux box to another using Samba. Can anyone help? There seems to be something wrong in the configuration...somewhere.
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11:02<dli>Smaffler, I think it's easier and safer to share files over ssh among linux boxes
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11:02<Smaffler>Alright, let's do that then.
11:03<Smaffler>dli: will you help?
11:03<dli>Smaffler, install ssh: aptitude install ssh
11:04<dli>Smaffler, if you are running gnome, nautilus knows about ssh, just "Connect to server" and choose ssh, supply username passwd
11:05<Smaffler>Using KDE, though gnome is available.
11:05<Smaffler>dli: both are installing ssh now.
11:05<dli>Smaffler, also, "man scp", and "aptitube rsync"
11:05<Wilthril>well before using ssh maybe you should install an ssh server :p
11:05<Smaffler>Wilthril: the package i'm installing says it's client and server :P ;)
11:06<Smaffler>*metapackage
11:06<Wilthril>oh ok my bad
11:06<dli>Smaffler, read about public key authentication, since you may do without passwd, and it's more secure: http://sial.org/howto/openssh/publickey-auth/
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11:07<MJD>Smaffler: KDE knows about ssh too. Just go into Network Folders, and click add Add Network Folder .
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11:07<Smaffler>dli: I understand how public keys work, i've read up on it a little. what I need to know is....well, after i install ssh and rsync...what next? (reading the man page)
11:07<dli>MJD, does konqueror knows about ssh?
11:08<MJD>dli: Yes it does.
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11:08<Smaffler>dli: Konqueror is pretty handy
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11:08<escuelab>hola que tal
11:08<dli>Smaffler, basically, scp is like "cp", but you can use remote files(folders) in the format of user@server:<path>
11:09<escuelab>saben , les agradeceria mucho si es que me pudieran ayudar con alguna cosa.
11:09<abrotman>!es
11:09<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:09<MJD>dli: It supports (at least in kde4.3) both sftp and fish(a KDE way to access remote systems over ssh). I do know in kde3.5 it supports fish.
11:09<dli>Smaffler, I'm about to try kde-4.3.2, but not sure whether I would like it or not
11:09<escuelab>la verdad es que estoy buscando ayuda para wordpress , pero creo que no hay algun cancal para ello
11:09<Wilthril>or use the command line: ssh -l login address
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11:10<Smaffler>dli: I'm running debian and I can't get 4.3 unless I get it from sid. And I'm new to Linux so I prefer stability for now.
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11:11<Smaffler>Although I'm considering putting another distro like openSUSE or Ubuntu on....both of which are shipping with 4.3, i think.
11:11*Smaffler remembers he's in the debian channel. *cough*
11:11<dli>Smaffler, sshfs is also handy, aptitude install sshfs
11:12<Smaffler>dli: good god man, you're strapping a tool belt on me! XD
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11:12<weasel>you're the one that wanted to use samba!
11:12<weasel>anything is fair on our part now
11:12<dli>Smaffler, sshfs might the closest to samba
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11:13<Wilthril>or nfs...
11:13<Smaffler>weasel: :D
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11:13<MJD>dli: I have kde 4.3 installed. I find it very usable. 4.3 is a big step up from previous kde4 vesions. I know people who would have sworn by the old kde3 interface who have fallen in love with kde4.
11:13<dli>Wilthril, but nfs has to be done by root
11:13<Smaffler>tbh, I don't really care what I wind up using as long as it works. *shrugs* I'm enjoying learning all these tools, anyway. and all of this thanks to a rescue operation on my friends windoze laptop
11:14<Wilthril>dli: ok i didn't know that
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11:14<dli>MJD, I found the incoming gnome-3.0 more interesting. with compsite wm, as kde4
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11:14<Smaffler>mjd: no troubles, then? works well and all that? dli: does scp work for moving entire folders and trees across the network? to the tune of...say...12-20 gigs?
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11:15<Smaffler>dli: here i am asking you while i have the man page open.
11:15<dli>Smaffler, it's like copy, so, can do whatever cp does, and rsync is more handy when doing within scripts
11:16*Smaffler darts his eyes left and right at the word "scripts" er...*cough* let's back up a step. sshfs?
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11:17<dli>Smaffler, or course, if you are moving huge traffic, ssh adds further encryption load on CPU, compared with nfs
11:18<MJD>Smaffler: There are a couple rough edges. But I find it about as stable as kde3, and there are many more features as well. I found it worth the upgrade, but I've also been using debian for several years now. My biggest two bug: kmail crashes occasionally when a network connection is dropped, and I've stumbled across a new one yesterday that I'm still debugging.
11:18<Smaffler>dli: let's go back to square...two. the part where i just finished installing these tools and now I need to use them to set up write-accessible folders.
11:19<Smaffler>mjd: I've been using linux as my sole OS for about 6 weeks. I'm still feeling around in the dark when I run into trouble most of the time. google and irc are my heroes.
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11:19<dli>Smaffler, since sshfs is ssh over fuse, you have to logout and login again, if you were not in fuse group already. then, just "sshfs user@server:<path> mount_point"
11:20<weebl>I just installed lenny, it booted fine and resolution was 1680x1050 (something like that) i want it 1024x768 but whenever i select that i get out of sync error
11:20<weebl>all other frequencies give me out of sync error too ;S
11:20<ehren_>any word when perl will be fixed in unstable?
11:20<Smaffler>weebl: out of sync or "frequency out of range"?
11:20<dli>weebl, in gnome preferences, you can select screen resolution
11:21<weebl>dli: im doing itt there
11:21<weebl>im selecting 1024x768 attention signal frequence is out of range
11:21<Smaffler>shall we start a pool? I'm gonna say this is nvidia related! 5 bucks on that.
11:21<weebl>i have an ati graphics card
11:21<dli>weebl, running the open source driver?
11:22<weebl>probably, i just installed it
11:22<Smaffler>like I said, ati. anyway. dli: you'll have to explain fuse group to me. I suppose I need to create a group and add a user to it?
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11:22<dli>weebl, if it's a new ati, drivers are still under development :(
11:22<weebl>it's still AGP
11:23<dli>Smaffler, "aptitude install sshfs" should add the fuse group for you auto
11:23<Smaffler>dli: well alrighty then. so i'm just gonna go try copying something from there to here.
11:23<weebl>i tried xrandr but it didnt work, nor did xorg.conf (it doesn't even change the resolution)
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11:23<dli>Smaffler, you can double check: "id Smaffler" though, if not, "adduser Smaffler fuse"
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11:23<Smaffler>dli: actually, i think i'll try scp first. This isn't exactly a matter of national security.
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11:24<Smaffler>k, i will if i use sshfs
11:24<dli>Smaffler, everything over ssh is secure
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11:24<zsakr>this system just spent 5 minutes spewing ..
11:25<zsakr>msg="if-up.d/mountnfs[$IFACE]: waiting for interface $i before doing NFS mounts"
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11:25<zsakr>the system has around 768 IPs assigned to it
11:25<zsakr>which means it spewed out that message 768^768 times
11:25<zsakr>:(
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11:25<davromaniak>/topic
11:26<zsakr>?
11:26<weebl>what i don't understand is: how does it have problems going to a LOWER resolution. >_x
11:26<zsakr>its debian
11:26<davromaniak>sorry, wrong type, :(
11:26<davromaniak>Hi, I would like to know where can we find documentations and howtos for netfilters modules shipped with the kernel
11:27<zsakr>er, 768*768
11:27<weebl>also sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not give me any options to configure resolution?
11:27<zsakr>589,824 times
11:27<dli>weebl, if you have an ati card not at least 2-year-old, still quite unpleasant, because of the delay in open source driver support
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11:28<dli>davromaniak, something like: http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html ?
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11:28<davromaniak>I would like to use the module "nf_nat_snmp_basic", but I can't find any documentation, I did a modprobe nf_nat_snmp_basic, but nothing
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11:29<davromaniak>ok dli I reading it
11:29<Smaffler>weebl, how old IS your card?
11:29<weebl>2,5 years
11:30<dli>weebl, then, it should be supported auto. :(
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11:30<weebl>lenny screwed me </3
11:31<Smaffler>so it should be supported. I'd look first at whether there are any problems with the open source drivers. i had to use the non-free ones for my GeForce.
11:31<weebl>another computer has problems with graphics too which worked on 4.0 >_<
11:32<Smaffler>have you done a Google for any documented bugs with your card+Lenny?
11:32<dli>weebl, I think squeeze might work better, but it's a nice thing to be forced to upgrade away from stable
11:32*Smaffler inches away from dli
11:33<weebl>yes no specific problems on that
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11:34<dli>weebl, try an ubuntu livecd, if it works for you, then, you know squeeze will work too
11:34<weebl>thing is it doesn't
11:34<weebl>9.04 that is
11:34<weebl>havent tried 9.10
11:34<dr|z3d>weebl: Odd net adapter?
11:35<dr|z3d>You might try booting with networking disabled..
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11:35<weebl>net adapter is good, i tried it on multiple pcs although very similair videocards (hd2600pro & hd3850pro)
11:35<weebl>it didn't work on either of them
11:36<weebl>it would bring up the loading bar just fine but when it was fully loaded black screen
11:36<Smaffler>dli: I ran into a hangup or two. I tried "id" and user does not exist. i tried add and group fuse does not exist.
11:36<dli>weebl, no luck, r6xx and r7xx not will supported by open source yet
11:36<dr|z3d>Right. Can you switch to another tty?
11:36<dli>Smaffler, aptitude install sshfs
11:37<Smaffler>dli: pretty sure i already did. checking.
11:38<weebl>well, back to windows then i guess >_x
11:38<weebl>or use geforce 4 mx 440 haha
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11:39<MJD>weebl: Did you try using fglrx? Its ATI's official driver, it might work better.
11:39<Smaffler>well if i didn't, i did now. i id'd, user doesn't exist. adduser, user doesn't exist.
11:39*Smaffler coughs. nvm. case sensitive.
11:39<dli>Smaffler, id $(whoami)
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11:40<weebl>MJD: ill try but AGP support is crap on windows so i wont get my hopes up
11:40<dr|z3d>weebl: Don't be so defeatist! Could you get another tty up?
11:41<Smaffler>dli: what's the command line to set the pw?
11:41<dr|z3d>weebl: Just because X fails, doesn't mean you're doomed.
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11:41<Smaffler>since i'm getting locked out and my password apparently does not work.
11:41<weebl>passwd
11:42<dli>Smaffler, what error message?
11:42<dli>!doesn't work
11:42<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
11:42<Smaffler>Smaffler@debian's password: ...Permission denied, please try again.
11:43<dr|z3d>Smaffler: Check you're using the right case.. check caps lock is off.
11:43<weebl>passwd to change but you would need the old passwd ... :p
11:43<dli>Smaffler, go to the box called "debian", how do you login there
11:43<Smaffler>(hey...I procrastinate on dishes...) i login when kde starts up.
11:44<MJD>weebl: you don't need the old password if u use root to change it. from root a root console, run: passwd usernmae
11:44<weebl>thats true
11:44<Smaffler>and i tried that pw, no dice. just tried resetting it.
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11:45<Smaffler>oh wait..username case sensitive as well, forgot...i may very well be trying to use someone who doesn't exist...
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11:45<dli>Smaffler, you need the proper username and passwd on the remote(called "debian") box
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11:46<Smaffler>*nods* here's what i'm trying: scp pictures lazachu@debian://home/lazachu/desktop/testest and when prompted for the pw, entering my regular login pw. permission denied.
11:47<weebl>MJD: ati drivers work
11:47<Smaffler>prompts three times for pw, then disconnects.
11:47<dli>Smaffler, means wrong username or passwd
11:48<Smaffler>yes, the last one says "Permission denied (publickey, password). cripes.
11:48<dli>Smaffler, you can find the on the remote "debian": sudo tail /var/log/auth.log"
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11:49<dli>Smaffler, read the public key howto, you can copy the public key via usb-stick, or even send in email
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11:49<dli>Smaffler, that doesn't help, you are not using proper username
11:49*Smaffler sighs. Does everything have to be this simple? :D
11:49<Smaffler>dli: lazachu is the username on the box. Smaffler is just my irc handle.
11:50<dli>Smaffler, whoami
11:50<Smaffler>root.
11:50<Smaffler>(root terminal)
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11:51<Smaffler>sorry, had to be a smartass. hang on. opening reg terminal.
11:51<Smaffler>i am lazachu.
11:52<dli>Smaffler, it's not where you issue ssh command, but where you are trying to login
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11:53<Smaffler>you mean the box i'm at where i'm issuing the scp command? apparently I'm root there too....<.<
11:54<dli>Smaffler, sudo tail /var/log/auth.log, on the remote box, it might tell you why
11:54<Smaffler>dli: it shows the added member, the change of passwords...nothing else.
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11:55<dli>Smaffler, also, no need to issue ssh from root, just do it again, after it fails, read log
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11:56<Smaffler>dli: on the machine i'm copying from, I can't seem to mount the drive with ntfs except as root. hence working from root terminal. on this one, I think I was trying to slap Samba. anyway. in the log I don't see anything but the addition of lazachu to group fuse, and the password changes.
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11:58<Smaffler>just confirmed the password. it can't be the problem.
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12:00<Smaffler>this is so silly. the passwords match. I know they do. i've checked them 6-7 times by now. but they don't. o.O
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12:09*Smaffler scratches his head. Well if it's not the pasword then it has to be the username or network.
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12:10<Smaffler>I see Debian (apparently the one i botched via samba? or PFS) and Debianserver which appeared...i don't even know when. And does nothing but time out.
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12:16<capon>hello
12:16<weebl>hi
12:16<capon>does anybody know how to auto sudo?
12:16<weebl>what do you mean
12:16<capon>I mean
12:16<capon>instead of writing the pass
12:17<Gold24>NOPASSWD: ?
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12:17<weebl>if no password would be asked, what would the use of sudo be
12:17<capon>the root password
12:17<locklace>capon: man su
12:17<capon>i want to apt-get some stuff
12:17<weebl>just use su?
12:18<locklace>i blame this absurd surge of sudo fetishism on ubuntu
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12:18<Smaffler>pseudo fetishism?
12:18<capon>sudo apt-get update;apt-get install gerix-wifi-cracker
12:18<capon>Hit http://archive.offensive-security.com pwnsauce Release.gpg
12:18<capon>Ign http://archive.offensive-security.com pwnsauce/main Translation-en_US
12:18<capon>Ign http://archive.offensive-security.com pwnsauce/microverse Translation-en_US
12:18<capon>Ign http://archive.offensive-security.com pwnsauce/macroverse Translation-en_US
12:18<capon>Ign http://archive.offensive-security.com pwnsauce/restricted Translation-en_US
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12:18<Smaffler>oh jesus.
12:18<jpinx-eeepc>locklace: I've been using sudo for about ten years without issues
12:18<locklace>and?
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12:19<jpinx-eeepc>so it's not an ooboontoo thing;)
12:19<locklace>jpinx-eeepc: didn't say it was.
12:19<weebl>but ubuntu users dont know they can use su
12:19<jpinx-eeepc>weebl: probably just as well ;)
12:19<weebl>heh
12:21<locklace>also... "pwnsauce"?
12:22<weebl>pwnsauce?
12:22<Smaffler>so between rsync, sshfs, and scp, i can't move anything from that box to this box without a password problem or a permanent timeout. ("script kiddie?" poster child)
12:22*Smaffler moves that question mark to it's proper place
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12:27<adb>weebl, Codename: pwnsauce , Label: Back Track GNU/Linux Distribution
12:27<Smaffler>this is making my rookie head hurt.
12:28<unknown>how can I export my key on keyring of root?
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12:29<steffan>!tell unknown -about ssh keys
12:31<unknown>i need for pack a java software
12:32<weebl>yeah i downloaded bt4 pre
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12:40<JulK>hello
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12:43<hazard3>how can I tell weather a USB bus supports USB2.0 speeds?
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12:43<locklace>lsusb
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12:44<hazard3>right, bus there anyway to link that to the output of dmidecode so I can tell which port is which?
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12:51<Wilthril>omg i had a segmentation fault in ethtool in the debian lenny release
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12:55<Wilthril>is there any other way to redirect the output of a command to a text file besides ">" ?
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12:58<locklace>what kind of question is that
12:59<dkr>Wilthril: >>
12:59<dkr>Wilthril: tee file
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12:59<dkr>Wilthril: | cat - file
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13:00<dkr>oops, that would be | cat - > file so still a > :)
13:01<Wilthril>let met explain: when i try "ethtool eth0" i have some useful output but at the end i have a "segmentation fault"
13:01<locklace>ethtool eth0 > output.txt 2>&1
13:01<Wilthril>and when i try to redirect this useful output i get a blank file (i assume because the segmentation fault)
13:02<locklace>you don't know enough to be making assumptions
13:02<Wilthril>well ">" works fine for every command i tried besides this one... and the only difference is this error
13:02<locklace>just be quiet and type the command i just gave you
13:03<Wilthril>nope still a blank file
13:03<valdyn>Wilthril: you skipped the 2>&1 ?
13:04<Wilthril>no no i tried ethtool eth0 > /home/ethtoo_old.txt 2>&1
13:04<valdyn>hazard3: normally the physical port used does not matter
13:04<Wilthril>i have the Segmentation Fault error
13:05<Wilthril>and when i try cat /home/ethtoo_old.txt i have nothing
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13:07<dkr>Wilthril: have to redirect stder to stdout 2>&1 *before* you redirect stdout with >
13:08<Wilthril>locklace and valdyn: here is what i have http://pastebin.com/d7d2a2789
13:08<locklace>dkr: what
13:08<dkr>Wilthril: oops, never mind, i had it backwards
13:08<dkr>I use tcsh myself, so i can just do >& to redir stdout and stderr, :)
13:08<locklace>Wilthril: what does ls -l /home/ethtoo_old.txt show
13:09<locklace>dkr: yeah but the csh way sucks, because you can't redirect them independently
13:09<dkr>oh, actually bash added the same thing
13:09<Gunther>hi. i've installed fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src, both at 1:9-9-1. wikipedia tells that opengl support was introduced in catalyst 9.1, but glxinfo tells me that my opengl version is 2.1.8918. can anybody explain this discrepancy to me?
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13:09<locklace>Wilthril: does the file actually have 0 length
13:09<Wilthril>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jan 4 02:32 /home/ethtoo_old.txt
13:09<Wilthril>but whoami says i'm root
13:09<locklace>Wilthril: ok, then the command is producing no output at all either to standard output or standard error
13:10<Wilthril>yeah but without redirection i have something... it's so weird
13:10<locklace>paste what you get without redirection
13:10<Wilthril>it's in the pastebin url i gave
13:10<Wilthril>http://pastebin.com/d7d2a2789
13:11<locklace>oh, right. yeah, that is weird. something like that could happen if there's a problem writing data to the file, for instance
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13:12<Wilthril>ok
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13:13<Wilthril>but i just installed ethtool, so there's no way to get rid of the error... right?
13:13<locklace>since you don't see the output to the terminal when you use >, it is getting redirected, but not actually ending up in the file for some reason
13:14<locklace>you could try a different filesystem, like /tmp
13:14<locklace>or /dev/shm or whatever
13:15<Wilthril>ok let's try it
13:16<locklace>as for the seg fault, either something on your system is hosed or it's a bug. check the bts and if your install is standard and your hardware's sound, file a bug
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13:17<Wilthril>honestly i don't know if it's the hardware or the software that is faulty... i've been trying for 3 days now to make the network work properly
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13:20<Wilthril>it's just that ethtool is useful to me only if i can redirect to a text file, because i want to know what it outputs when there is no network (and it's a nas, so besides the filesystem and the network i can't access to it)
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13:23<hazard3>is it safe for me to move /usr/share to a different partiton and relink it back in with a symlink? (since the other partiton might not be available during boot)
13:24<locklace>inasmuch as /usr itself can be a separate partition, yes
13:25<hazard3>so the system dosen't need anything in /usr to boot?
13:26<locklace>it shouldn't. there was a big long flamewar on debian-devel a while ago about some guy who thought it'd be a fine idea to break that
13:26<Gathond>I've always had /usr on a seperate partition
13:26<Gathond>all the boot stuff should reside in /bin and /lib
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13:26<hazard3>Yes, but its on a seperate partion, but is it ok to link it to its actual folder using ln -s?
13:27<graemer>hi
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13:27<graemer>i need some help for the sound system
13:27<Gathond>should not be a difference, so long as you ensure that partition is also mounted
13:27<graemer>i did a donwgrade from unstable to testing and from kde to gnome
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13:27<graemer>with kde on unstable my sound system was working
13:28<graemer>after down grade and switch to gnome it doesn't work
13:28<locklace>!downgrade
13:28<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn>, or <unstable->testing>
13:28<graemer>modprobe snd-hda-intel -> works
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13:29<graemer>the system is running - i actualy did a downgrade to stable (stripped the system to 500 packages and then an upgrade to testing)
13:29<graemer>modprobe snd-hda-intel -> works
13:29<graemer>lspci|grep snd -> gets nothing
13:29<graemer>lspci|grep audio -> gets nothing
13:30<locklace>grep -i
13:30<abrotman>lspci ?
13:30<abrotman>or lsmod ?
13:30<graemer>alsamixer displayes masterheadph. etc
13:30<locklace>and cat /proc/asound/cards
13:30<graemer>all enabled an set to an certain level
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13:32<graemer>locklace, cat /proc/asound/cards :
13:32<graemer> 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
13:32<graemer> HDA Intel at 0xf8ff8000 irq 22
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13:33<graemer>abrotman, should lspci show the sound card?
13:33<locklace>just paste the full lspci -knn at http://paste.debian.net
13:33<abrotman>if it's pci
13:33<graemer>the sound system was working before downgrade + I use the same kernel
13:34<abrotman>you probably want somethin glike 'lspci | grep -i Audio'
13:34<locklace>but anyway, the above already shows the card is recognised
13:34<locklace>so double-check your mixer settings yet again, check any hw/speaker sound controls, and try speaker-test -t wav
13:35<graemer>[root@c2dlx01:modprobe.d]# lspci -knn
13:35<graemer>00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation 82P965/G965 Memory Controller Hub [8086:29a0] (rev 02)
13:35<graemer> Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. P5B [1043:81ea]
13:35<graemer>00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82P965/G965 PCI Express Root Port [8086:29a1] (rev 02)
13:35<graemer> Kernel driver in use: pcieport-driver
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13:35<graemer>00:1a.7 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2 [8086:283a] (rev 02)
13:35<graemer> Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. P5B [1043:81ec]
13:35<graemer> Kernel driver in use: ehci_hcd
13:35<locklace>!smack graemer
13:35<graemer>00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:284b] (rev 02)
13:35*dpkg smacks graemer upside the head.
13:35<graemer> Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. P5B [1043:81ec]
13:35<graemer> Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel
13:35<graemer>00:1c.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 1 [8086:283f] (rev 02)
13:35<graemer> Kernel driver in use: pcieport-driver
13:35<graemer>00:1c.4 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 5 [8086:2847] (rev 02)
13:35<graemer> Kernel driver in use: pcieport-driver
13:35<graemer>00:1c.5 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 6 [8086:2849] (rev 02)
13:35<graemer> Kernel driver in use: pcieport-driver
13:35<graemer>00:1d.0 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 [8086:2830] (rev 02)
13:35<graemer> Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. P5B [1043:81ec]
13:35<graemer> Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
13:35<abrotman>graemer: PASTEBIN
13:35<graemer>00:1d.1 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 [8086:2831] (rev 02)
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13:36<hazard3>Oh my.
13:36-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
13:36<locklace>giving up now. you fail at irc
13:36<graemer> Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. P5B [1043:81ec]
13:36-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@p54B31E22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] by abrotman
13:36<@abrotman>graemer: use paste.debian.net
13:36-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*@p54B31E22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] by abrotman
13:36<graemer> Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. P5B [1043:81ec]
13:36<graemer>00:1f.2 SATA controller [0106]: Intel Corporation 82801HR/HO/HH (ICH8R/DO/DH) 6 port SATA AHCI Controller [8086:2821] (rev 02)
13:36<graemer> Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:81ec]
13:36-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@p54B31E22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] by abrotman
13:36*abrotman will just wait 10 minutes
13:36<hazard3>hehehe
13:37<Gunther>i've installed fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src, both at 1:9-9-1. wikipedia tells that opengl support was introduced in catalyst 9.1, but glxinfo tells me that my opengl version is 2.1.8918. can anybody explain this discrepancy to me?
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13:38<robin>Moin Moin
13:38-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
13:38<abrotman>graemer: please don't do that again
13:38<hazard3>Huh, I wonder why I made this flash drvie riserfs...
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13:39<graemer>abrotman, yes sorry @all
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13:39<graemer>http://paste.debian.net/48712/ -> lspci output
13:39<hazard3>I recall doing something like that back in the day, when I was a n00b.
13:39<hazard3>:)
13:40<abrotman>graemer: so it sees your card, and the driver is loaded ?
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13:41<graemer>abrotman, yes
13:41<Gold24>graemer: have you checked the volume?
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13:42<Gold24>nm you already mentioned that
13:42<abrotman>!alsa checklist
13:42<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
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13:42<hazard3>is it at all possible to move the /var/log folder to some other partition?
13:43<graemer>Gold24, yes
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13:43<at88>hazard3, yes
13:43<at88>i think
13:44<hazard3>it seems to get written to afwul early in the boot process
13:44<MJD>Can't you put /var on a seperate partition? If so, isn't it possible to /var/log on a different one as well?
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13:45<graemer>aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav as root doesn't reports an error but doesn't play anything too
13:45<at88>cp /var/log to new partition then mount it to /var/log
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13:46<robin>Kennt jemand einen Drucker Treiber für Canon PIXMA IP3000 ??
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13:47<graemer>ok -now it works - mute + unmute all channels did it - but why ?
13:48<graemer>thx @all
13:48<MJD>graemer, sometime snd-hda-intel doesn't get the channels right. apparently not all vendors follow the spec.
13:48<robin>i search a driver for canon pixma ip3000
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13:50<graemer>because I'm running gnome esound is used - I'd like to use amarok - do I have to install arts too?
13:51<dr|z3d>graemer: If you need to, then amarok will pull that dependency in for you. If it's optional, it won't.
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13:52<dr|z3d>graemer: Also, esound? What about alsa or pulse?
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13:54<abrotman>probably don't want esound running
13:55<graemer>hmm i thought esound plays the same role as arts does for kde
13:56<graemer>esound -> gnome
13:56<graemer>arts -> kde
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13:57<graemer>xine etc. work but amarok doesn't
13:57<abrotman>arts and esound are both not very uh .. helpful
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14:01<graemer>hmm - restart of amarok did the job too - I'm running linux or windoofs?!
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14:05<casa>!fglrx
14:05<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati on irc.freenode.net.
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14:05<casa>!fglrx
14:05<dpkg>from memory, fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati on irc.freenode.net.
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14:11<leper>clear
14:11<leper>xD!
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14:21<Gunther>ok, thanks for the channel hint
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14:26<wekt> from what dirs on the FTP server do the source packages come from?
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14:29<chealer>wekt: pool/
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14:45<carson>and i'm back!
14:46<carson>having fixed resolution problems
14:46<carson>I think
14:46<carson>except not. . .
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15:11<drixter>hi, what is going wrong with security.ipv6.debian.org - all the mirrors works like crappy ;-/
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15:44<secret>anybody knowledge with apache2?
15:44<dr|z3d>secret: Ask your question.
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15:44<secret>apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 9 of /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: Expected </TITLE>The> but saw </HEAD>
15:44<secret>this problem, PHP, but i cant get the answer to that
15:45<dondelelcaro>secret: uh... something is really wrong with line 9 of /etc/apache2/httpd.conf if it has </title> in it
15:45<secret>you need the outcomes from dpkg --list | grep php5 & dpkg --list | grep apache
15:45<dondelelcaro>secret: show us /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and /etc/apache2/httpd.conf
15:45<dr|z3d>pastebin apache2.conf perhaps.
15:45<secret>i go crazy, alittle bit..
15:45<dr|z3d>!pastebin
15:45<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
15:45<dr|z3d>"Expected </TITLE>The> but saw </HEAD>" gives a fairly good hint of what's up..
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15:45<secret>hold on..
15:47<dr|z3d>dondelelcaro: Sounds like he's somehow hosting a conf file as http.. weird.
15:47<dr|z3d>s/http/html
15:48<secret>damn, i wasnt here for a while, give me please theside where i can post it
15:48<weasel>secret: read.
15:49<secret>http://pastebin.com/m458c858d
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15:50<secret>http://pastebin.com/m1ffbdbe4
15:50<secret>oh!
15:51<secret>he..
15:51<weasel>...
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15:51<weasel>clearly askin in here instead of thinking first was easier
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15:52<secret>i dont get it
15:53<secret>weasel, idea?
15:53<weasel>httpd.conf is an *apache* *_CONFIG_* file.
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15:53<weasel>it's not a place where you write php or html.
15:53<secret>damn.. now i have this
15:53<secret>bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER}
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15:54<dr|z3d>You've made a right pig's ear of things, secret.
15:54<secret>ok, in clear word?
15:54<secret>words
15:54<weasel>you fucked up
15:55<secret>really? great, so how is the way out
15:55<dr|z3d>Why did you see the need to fiddle with the defaults?
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15:56<secret>any helpfull ideas? straight one?
15:57<azeem>secret: fix it
15:57<secret>thats why i am here.. for answers
15:57<secret>not for ideas
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15:58<azeem>secret: restore your apache2.conf file from backup
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15:58<secret>yeah, that was also my thought
15:59<weasel>or purge apache and install it again
15:59<dr|z3d>And how did you install apache?
15:59<dr|z3d>I'd purge apache and reinstall.
15:59<dr|z3d>And then read the apache docs pertaining to the conf before you start fiddling.
15:59<dr|z3d>I just told you. Purge apache and reinstall.
15:59<dr|z3d>That's the easiest way to correct the shit you've created.
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15:59<weasel>I guess dr|z3d was lagged
15:59<dr|z3d>erm. I was. :/
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15:59<dr|z3d>And is.
15:59<secret>thats the windows style..
15:59<weasel>you fucked it up windows style...
16:00<mikepeer>I need a quick fix... I finally got my wife to convert from winblows... now when she plays on Farmtown, a flash game on Facebook, the menus dont have the scroll bar in them... How can I fix this?
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16:00<azeem>mikepeer: which flash implementation are you using?
16:01<mikepeer>TBH I couldnt tell you, I went to play the game and it said to download flash and gave a link
16:01<azeem>so you installed that?
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16:02<mikepeer>yes
16:03<mikepeer>Sorry for the delay, kids wanted something to snack on
16:03<dr|z3d>mikepeer: Always best to install using synaptic before you try installs from websites.
16:04<mikepeer>So is that what I should do?
16:04<mikepeer>Install via synaptic?
16:04<dr|z3d>It makes keeping your stuff up to date a lot simpler, for one thing. And ensures you have compatible versions.
16:04<dr|z3d>Sure.. does the flash you installed have an uninstaller?
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16:04<mikepeer>umm let me see
16:05<dr|z3d>You want to install flashplugin-nonfree anyways, if you want Adobe's version (which you likely do).
16:06<mikepeer>I wanna say that is what I installed
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16:08<mikepeer>Nah just the adobe lash player 10
16:08<mikepeer>for linux
16:10<valdyn>mikepeer: so you have adobe flash for linux and it still doesnt look like it looks in flash for windows?
16:10<dr|z3d>Sure, but not from synaptic, right?
16:10<valdyn>mikepeer: can you give the url to that game?
16:10<dr|z3d>Always best to install from synaptic, for the reasons I outlined above.
16:10<mikepeer>It looks right, just some of the menus have scroll bars in them
16:10<mikepeer>its a game from Facebook
16:10<mikepeer>Farmtown
16:11<azeem>mikepeer: then ask adobe about it
16:11<azeem>we can't fix their player, it is proprieatary
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16:11<azeem>proprietary*
16:11<secret>/etc/rc.d/ there is still something but now i dont know what
16:11<valdyn>his issue sounds like font size issue
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16:11<valdyn>but im confused that flash could have something like that
16:11<mikepeer>Yea I was wondering it is was a version issue or something.
16:11<mikepeer>Have something like a scroll bar?
16:11<mikepeer>WoW
16:12<valdyn>well i have no fucking idea how to get to that game yet
16:12<secret>azeem, any idea?
16:12<valdyn>why dont you give the URL ?
16:12<mikepeer>LoL
16:12<mikepeer>there is not one
16:12<azeem>secret: about what?
16:12<mikepeer>facebook.com
16:12<mikepeer>Add the application "Farmtown"
16:12<azeem>then watch all your private data being sucked out of you
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16:12<secret>paache is gone but autoexc made prob
16:12<secret>apache
16:13<azeem>autoexc?
16:13<mikepeer>Azeem? Me?
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16:13<azeem>the person who runs farmtown
16:13<secret>azeem, mod_perl, i guess
16:13<azeem>secret: why do you ask me?
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16:14<secret>azzewhy not? you answer me be4
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16:14<valdyn>mikepeer: please post a screenshot
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16:14<mikepeer>Good thing I dont allow private information on "gaming" computer then eh
16:14<mikepeer>valdyn, that I can do
16:14<azeem>secret: ask the channel, not individuals
16:15<secret>channel, anybody knows how do deinstall apache2 completely ?
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16:18<secret>snorty was it.. he
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16:18<secret>great, eeeeh, thx for.. help
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16:19<mikepeer>valdyn, post URL here? or in PM?
16:19<valdyn>mikepeer: here
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16:20<mikepeer>http://imagesocket.com/view/ss8f4.jpg <--- Screen shot from a Windows machine. Right Side, Inside the Red box. Linux doesnt have that bar...
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16:20<mikepeer>And without that bar, you can not scroll down to see more options.
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16:21<valdyn>mikepeer: ok, theres probably nothing you can do about it
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16:21<valdyn>mikepeer: you already have the *latest* flash
16:21<valdyn>mikepeer: you could try to use an old flash 9 version
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16:22<mikepeer>Ok
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16:41<simonrvn>mikepeer: blame adobe's linux "support"
16:43<mikepeer>Yea I tried that, and I havent got a reply yet
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16:46<Woet>is there some command that gets the sum of output?
16:46<Woet>like, a command outputs a list of 10 numbers, I want to know the sum of those 10 numbers
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16:48<mikepeer>Ok I found my answer
16:48<mikepeer>The Head Developer of the Application got with me...
16:49<mikepeer>It is a issue in the application and they are working on it..
16:49<mikepeer>So it isn't the OS nor is it Adobe Flash. It is the application itself
16:50<dr|z3d>\o/
16:50<mikepeer>AND!, ROFL Some Developer he is... "Some people using Unbuntu and Linux have reported this..." Last I heard Unbuntu was a Flavor of Linux.
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16:51<dr|z3d>Ubuntu is a Debian based Linux distro, yes.
16:52<mikepeer>I know, I was trying to down this developer...
16:52<mikepeer>Ubuntu "AND" Linux
16:52<mikepeer>That is like saying, "Some people using Vista and Windows have reported..."
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16:53<Woet>how would you even do math?
16:53<mikepeer>Woet
16:53<Woet>like, how to get the sum of 4 and 8?
16:53<mikepeer>Are you trying to use a calculator?
16:54<Woet>no, I'm trying to parse the output of a command and get the sum of it
16:54<Woet>a command outputs http://enginwg.pastebin.com/d77b2d52
16:54<Woet>and I want to get the sum, like | sum
16:54<Woet>or something
16:55<mikepeer>Sounds like a Programming Question and not a OS Question
16:55<Woet>well, i think it's possible with bash
16:55<mikepeer>Let me see what I can find
16:56<Woet>$((1 + 2))
16:56<Woet>apparently
16:57<ehren>probably an awk script -- add each line to an awk variable 'sum'... can't really help you implement it
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16:59<ehren>probably better to just write a bash script...
17:00<Woet>yea, i'll make that
17:00<Woet>thanks :)
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17:02<Wilthril>does the debian lenny support ext4?
17:03<abrotman>there is a backports.org kernel that has it
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17:04<Wilthril>not the stable one right? is there is big improvement with ext4?
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17:04<ehren>Woet: check out this guys sight for bash help https://cs.senecac.on.ca/~lczegel/
17:04<mikepeer>Thanks for the help from the ones that helped me
17:04<ehren>argh site
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17:11<leper>experimental and sid are the same??
17:11<azeem>no
17:11<leper>wich one is squeeze? sid??
17:11<azeem>none
17:12<leper>unstable?
17:12<azeem>?
17:12<abrotman>what are you really asking?
17:12<leper>i need repositoryes for have lenny/squeeze
17:12<abrotman>lenny and squeeze are not the same and shouldn't be mixed
17:13<leper>mmm i see
17:13<leper>and for have only squeeze?
17:13<azeem>use squeeze?
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17:14<leper>yes for update to squeeze now
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17:20<leper>volatile security don't have repositories?
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17:22<abrotman>what?
17:22<overddose_>>_<
17:22<abrotman>do you have any idea what you're trying to do?
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17:23<leper>yes update to squeeze
17:23<leper>xD!
17:23<azeem>so do that
17:23<overddose_>:[
17:24<leper>ok azeem
17:24<azeem>leper: if you ask about volatile or security repositories for squeeze, then no, there are none AFAIK
17:24<azeem>there's a security repository, but it is not much used
17:24<overddose_>hi.
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17:25<leper>ok azeem
17:26<overddose_>just updated to newest debian revision. never used linux. i have to use ethernet cable to connect. anyone can help? :)
17:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 397] by debhelper
17:27<azeem>overddose_: plug the ethernet cable into the network card
17:27<dr|z3d>overddose_: Connect your cable.. make sure you have DHCP active on your router.
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17:27<overddose_>that aint the problem. problem is that i cant use my wireless lan card.
17:28<overddose_>:/ have drivers, dont know what to do :P
17:28<azeem>well, you didn't state your problem in that case
17:29<overddose_>i realize that now. sorry.
17:29<azeem>overddose_: what wireless card do you have?
17:29<overddose_>realtek rtl8187
17:30<azeem>sounds difficult
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17:30<overddose_>im just lost on what to do.
17:30<overddose_>have tarballs extracted. have 2 folders, Module and wpasupplicant.
17:31<azeem>why don't you use the wpa-supplicant from Debian?
17:31<azeem>!rtl8187
17:31<dpkg>[rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless drivers, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187 and RTL8187B chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, RTL8180 and RTL8185 from 2.6.25, some RTL8187B from 2.6.27. RTL8187SE not supported, ask me about <rtl8187se>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x
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17:31<azeem>so is it 8187b or 8187se?
17:32<overddose_>b
17:32<overddose_>8187b :/
17:32<azeem>overddose_: what does uname -r say?
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17:32<overddose_>2.6.26-2-686
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17:33<azeem>do you have the rtl-wifi module loaded?
17:33<azeem>overddose_: what does "lsmod | grep rtl" say?
17:33<overddose_>lsmod | grep rtl
17:33<overddose_>rtl8187 27040 0
17:33<overddose_>eeprom_93cx6 2144 1 rtl8187
17:33<overddose_>mac80211 139776 2 rtl8187,ath5k
17:33<overddose_>cfg80211 21608 3 rtl8187,ath5k,mac80211
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17:34<azeem>overddose__: ok
17:34<overddose__>i saw that coming.
17:34<azeem>overddose__: pastebin the output of "iwconfig"
17:35<azeem>!paste
17:35<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
17:36<overddose__>http://paste.debian.net/48726/
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17:36<azeem>that looks good
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17:37<azeem>overddose__: are you running gnome or kde?
17:37<overddose__>gnome.
17:37<azeem>so why do you think wlan is not working?
17:37<overddose__>i dont know. i can safely say i have never used linux before. so im learning :/
17:39<azeem>ok
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17:40<overddose__>when i try to connect wirelessly to my gateway, it doesnt accept. all of the information is correct
17:40<azeem>overddose__: do you have the icon about a plugged in network cable in the notification area in the top panel?
17:40<azeem>ok
17:40<azeem>you know, you could've said *that* at the beginning
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17:41<overddose__>:/ sorry. am a bit sick. shouldve came here first.
17:41<azeem>what kind of wlan is it? wep? wpa?
17:41<overddose__>had people trying to get me to erase the whole os everywhere i turn.
17:41<overddose__>wpa
17:41<azeem>are you sure there is no mac-filter setup on the wlan router?
17:41<azeem>can you connect to it with e.g. Windows from the same box?
17:42<overddose__>yeah.
17:42<overddose__>h.o brb
17:43<overddose__>this is a stupid question, but how can i find the mac addy of the debian system :/
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17:44<abrotman>ifconfig
17:44<overddose__>thanks
17:45<overddose__>there is no mac filter set up.
17:46<dli>overddose__, hope it's not getting more confusing, but I always found wicd is easier. sudo aptitude install wicd
17:46<abrotman>do you think he has sudo configured?
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17:47<dli>abrotman, no :(
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17:47<dli>abrotman, since he could use ifconfig, no need for sudo
17:47<overddose__>i did the apt install on wicd last night :P
17:48<dli>overddose__, does wicd work for you?
17:48<overddose__>im not sure how to use/start/find it :/
17:48<ja>!rules
17:48<dpkg>rumour has it, rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient.
17:48<dli>overddose__, stop the one you are using. then: /etc/init.d/wicd restart
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17:48<ja>!list
17:48<dpkg>ja: VATTENE VIA
17:49<abrotman>ja: msg the bot
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17:49<abrotman>leaving works too
17:49<overddose__>dli, i dont understand :(
17:50<dli>overddose__, how do you try to set wlan up? the name of program, or the commands you are using
17:50<overddose__>thats the thing, i havent tried to, because i dont know how to :P
17:50<dli>overddose__, can you run: /etc/init.d/wicd restart
17:51<overddose__>how would i go about doing that :/
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17:52<dli>overddose__, in a terminal, become root, and type that
17:52<overddose__>nothing
17:52<overddose__>bash: /etc/init.d/wicd: No such file or directory
17:53<dli>overddose__, aptitude install wicd
17:53<dli>overddose__, I suppose you are connected by wired
17:53<overddose__>yeah.
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17:54<overddose__>"couldnt find any package whose name or description matched "wicd"
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17:54<dli>overddose__, aha, wicd only in squeeze
17:55<azeem>dli: great
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17:55<dli>overddose__, maybe, you can get it by backports
17:56<overddose__>?
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17:56<azeem>it's not clear why wicd should be better than n-m for connecting to a wpa network
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17:57<overddose__>anyone care to remote to desktop :)
17:58<azeem>no
17:58<overddose__>lol
17:58<dli>azeem, It's very mysterious to me too, I usually couldn't get nm work for me at all :( I found nm designers are just too smart
18:00<azeem>it works fine for me
18:00<abrotman>speaking of n-m .. is there a wifi browser that's part of n-m ?
18:00<abrotman>or network finder .. whatever you want to call it
18:00<azeem>isn't that one of the core parts?
18:01<abrotman>that's what i thought .. but either i can't make it work, or it's not there
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18:02<abrotman>if i open the nm-applet, and go to "Edit Connections" then choose Wireless, and Add .. there's no way to browse for available APs AFAICT
18:02<dli>abrotman, you mean nm doesn't find your wifi interface at all?
18:02<abrotman>no, that part i fixed
18:02<azeem>abrotman: did you try left click on the applet?
18:03<dli>abrotman, I think I got the similar, had to add from memory. but it was before nm-0.7.0 for me
18:03<abrotman>oh that's just goofy .. i wonder why it's not in the part where you add it
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18:03<rumfuzz>Hi! I am having a question to the aircrack-ng package: How are you supposed to build the driver with the supplied inject-patches in /usr/share/doc/aircrack-ng? Downloading the source of the driver, patching it works - But compiling leads to a build error (proc_net not defined)
18:03<abrotman>azeem: sorry, thanks
18:03<azeem>abrotman: that edit stuff is really not meant for general use i think
18:03<abrotman>but it shouldn't be useless either :)
18:03<abrotman>i guess i just needed user training
18:03<azeem>well, it's to edit networks which are e.g. hidden I guess
18:04<overddose__>so what should i do :P
18:05<azeem>overddose__: I suggest making sure you actually try the right wpa mode and right kind of password
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18:05<azeem>hex vs. string etc.
18:05<azeem>wpa2 vs. wpa-psk etc.
18:05<overddose__>but i know, that everything is right :P
18:06<azeem>overddose__: then I'm out of ideas
18:06<azeem>well, you can try to setup wpa-supplicant manually via /etc/network/interfaces I guess
18:06<azeem>have fun with that
18:06<overddose__>:[
18:07<overddose__>wtf i get permission denied
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18:10<overddose__>well, how would i go about changing the settings on wlan0 from the terminal
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18:11<azeem>00:06 < azeem> well, you can try to setup wpa-supplicant manually via /etc/network/interfaces I guess
18:11<azeem>then run ifdown wlan0
18:11<azeem>ifup wlan0
18:12<overddose__>i have a question, when you reference to /etc/network/interfaces
18:12<overddose__>do you mean just put exactly that into the terminal. or navigate to something like that
18:13<overddose__>ok, when i try to run ifdown wlan0. says "interace wlan0 not configured"
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18:16<azeem>yes
18:16<azeem>/etc/network/interfaces is the configuration file
18:16<azeem>you need to edit it with a text editor
18:16<azeem>00:06 < azeem> have fun with that
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18:18<overddose__>ok
18:18<overddose__>auto lo iface lo inet loopback
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18:20<overddose__>:[
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18:23<kolopik>witam jest tu jakis polak?
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18:24<weasel>!pl
18:24<dpkg>polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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18:24<kolopik>ty
18:24<overddose__>so how do i configure wlan0 in :/
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18:27<coco>hello
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18:29<chaoflow>how should i run ssh in single user mode for a remote machine: inittab or rcS.d?
18:29<chaoflow>gues there is some tutorial, though i cannot find it
18:29<weasel>not at all would be my guess
18:29<abrotman>chaoflow: to debug a problem or all the time?
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18:30<chaoflow>abrotman: if my remote machine is going to single user mode, i'd like to have it remotely available, if it managed to mount its file systems, i.e. ssh is available
18:30<chaoflow>why wouldnt i want that / shouldnt do that?
18:31<abrotman>chaoflow: if it's in single user mode .. the sshd is probably the least of your worries
18:31<weasel>does anybody ever actually go to "single user mode" these days?
18:31<chaoflow>what happens if I boot and there is one file system that could not be mounted?
18:32<weasel>you're fucked if you don't have (serial) console access is what usually happens
18:32<dr|z3d>Or you bootup off a live cd and try some maintenance.
18:33<abrotman>chaoflow: that would depend on the filesystem, and how traumatic it is
18:33<chaoflow>yes - but i just imagine some problems where network and ssh would be functional
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18:44<tuxcrafter>hi all i am doing some test with debian sid, and since a few days i will lose my mouse pointer when switching to an external monitor with my intel gma chipset, does anybody have te same thing?
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18:46<tuxcrafter>btw the mouse still works, but the cursor drawing is gone
18:46<tuxcrafter>when i switch back to LVDS only the cursor is back again
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19:17<sladi>Hi, how should I create a bugreport about a software which I'd like to be packaged. It would enhance a package already available so should I just file a bug report for that?
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19:18<adb>!sunday
19:18<dpkg>Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
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19:20<dr|z3d>sladi: File an enhancement bug, sure.
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19:22<abrotman>!rfp
19:22<dpkg>Request For Package is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>.
19:22<vinicius>hi! im pretty sure of my router's ip... i just can't get into the configuration screen
19:22<abrotman>sladi: wait .. you're going to package it or you want it packaged for debian ?
19:22<dr|z3d>vinicius: Can you ping it?
19:22<vinicius>dr|z3d, nno
19:23<vinicius>*no
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19:23<dr|z3d>vinicius: Then you've probably got the wrong ip..
19:23<vinicius>dr|z3d, no i dont... its on the manual
19:23<dr|z3d>Or you've somehow fooed outgoing traffic on your firewall.
19:23<abrotman>sladi: if you're going to package it: /msg dpkg itp ... if you want the package created: /msg dpkg rfp
19:24<vinicius>dr|z3d, maybe... how can i check it?
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19:24<dr|z3d>vinicius: Can you ping google.com ?
19:24<vinicius>dr|z3d, yes
19:24<dr|z3d>Then ping's working fine.
19:25<Hideo>nmap -sP -n <your network ip range>
19:25<vinicius>dr|z3d, im not connected through it
19:25<dr|z3d>Are you getting a dhcp lease from the router?
19:25<vinicius>dr|z3d, no
19:25<vinicius>dr|z3d, im connected from ppp
19:25<dr|z3d>Sure, you could just scan the network as Hideo suggests.
19:25<vinicius>dr|z3d, how?
19:26<dr|z3d>So you're connecting remotely, or the router's on the LAN?
19:26<dr|z3d>vinicius: Hideo gave you a command..
19:26<vinicius>dr|z3d, im connected on an usb ppp, i want to configure the router to serve this connection
19:26<dr|z3d>You can install a UI for nmap if you prefer. apt-cache search nmap
19:28<vinicius>it says the modem ip is up
19:28<vinicius>dr|z3d, but i cant access it from the browser
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19:29<dr|z3d>Nor ping, it seems. What about telnet?
19:29<dr|z3d>Or ssh.
19:31<Hideo>you need to elaborate the ppp part
19:31<sladi>Thank you very much! abrotman, I don't want to package it myself, I think that's too much. :)
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19:32<abrotman>sladi: depends on the package
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19:34<vinicius>dr|z3d, telnet nor ssh
19:35<vinicius>dr|z3d, it was working this morning
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19:35<leper>the icon of conection appears offline, how can i fix it?
19:35<leper>xD!
19:35<sladi>abrotman: It's Realtime Kit for Pulseaudio. It needs it for realtime scheduling of the daemon.
19:35<abrotman>ah okay
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19:55<jMCg>Hello happy people.
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19:55<jMCg>I was wondering if there's a chance to get my Debian/KDE4 Google free?
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19:57<jMCg>Hmm.. yes... by choosing apt-get purge instead of aptitude purge for getting rid of it.
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20:04<jMCg>Yeah.. that worked great: http://dpaste.com/105576/ -- and the, of course, the update got rid of all scripting options. Makes perfect sense. No Google, no scripting: http://dpaste.com/105578/
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20:12<leper>does anyone use mercury messenger?
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20:14<adb>leper, it's that in debian ?
20:15<leper>nope xD! adama
20:15<leper>adb
20:15<leper>xD!
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20:16<adb>leper, so it is offtopic here ..
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20:17<leper>ok sorry
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20:19<adb>leper, try #linux on irc.freenode.net
20:20<adb> ##linux
20:20<leper>don't worry i have installed
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20:58<hopchewer>I need to configure my soundcard. I run #alsaconfig and it configures it and it runs ok. If I reboot, my sound card needs to configured again so I run #alsaconf. How do I make this change permanent?
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21:03<nokturnull>hello folks it only took me 3 days to get my wifi card up on backtrack4 - Finally! Does anyone know if there is a channel dedicated to backtrack4?
21:03<adb>! backtrack
21:03<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.remote-exploit.org/backtrack.html #remote-exploit on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
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21:04<nokturnull>wow thank you very much I appreciate your help
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21:08<adb>thank you dpkg
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21:10<aombk>hi. can i convert a partition, lets say the /boot partition into an exteded partition?
21:12<aombk>please, help anyone?
21:12<jpinx-eeepc>aombk: probably not
21:13<jpinx-eeepc>aombk: what is /boot at the moment if it's not ext?
21:13<aombk>oh sorry, i meant extended
21:13<aombk>no it is ext3
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21:14<jpinx-eeepc>aombk: partitions are either primary or logical - so your question makes no sense
21:14<jpinx-eeepc>aombk: maybe you mean the filesystem?
21:14<petemc>you havent heard of extended partitions?
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21:16<adb>extended partitions ? only one i heard ..
21:16<jpinx-eeepc>petemc: the extended partition only exists to contain the logical partitions
21:17<aombk>ok well
21:17<petemc>a confusing swirl of semantics for something that isnt that complicated
21:18<aombk>maby i should explain my case better. i have a /boot a / and a /home partition and the swap partition is a logical one
21:18<jpinx-eeepc>you're allowed 4 partitions ona drive - either primary or extended, and the extended partion can contain lots of logical partitions
21:19<aombk>i need to make some more partitions and i would like to make one or all of the primary partitions into logical ones
21:19<jpinx-eeepc>aombk: sounds like a reasonable setup
21:19<aombk>can i do that?
21:20<aombk>can i do that specifically with the /boot partition?
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21:20<jpinx-eeepc>aombk: if swap is on a logical partition how much space has the extended partition which contains it?i
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21:20<jpinx-eeepc>aombk: messing with the boot partition is possibly dangerous for obvious reasons
21:21<aombk>i have enaugh free space to resize etc.
21:21<jpinx-eeepc>aombk: aombk man resize2fs
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21:21<aombk>ok but how could i mess with a boot partition?
21:22<aombk>how can i copy/move it? and assign a mountpoin etc?
21:22<jpinx-eeepc>aombk: I have done the resize2fs thing, but it is something you have to be very careful with or you risk losing everythingc
21:22<aombk>i mean i saw i can voppy it with gparted inside the extended area
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21:23<jpinx-eeepc>aombk: you need to be aware of what the boot process uses to boot your box- or you could leave it unbootable
21:24<aombk>ok could you explain a bit?
21:24<jpinx-eeepc>aombk: man resize2fs
21:26<aombk>its ok i dont have problem resizing my partitions
21:26<aombk>i dont know what to to after that
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21:27<raylu>aombk: is reinstalling an option? you could leave your /home
21:27<aombk>i could do that as a last option
21:28<aombk>how can i assign a mountpoint at a partition?
21:28<jpinx-eeepc>aombk: it depends on how you make the changes, but just resizeing can mean nothing else needs done
21:28<raylu>/etc/fstab?
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21:29<jpinx-eeepc>aombk: man mount
21:29<raylu>also, you may want to consider LVM
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21:32<aombk>raylu editing fstab looks like it could do the trick
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21:32<aombk>i shall try that
21:33<petemc>its not going to be terribly useful in effecting changed to /boot
21:33<petemc>s/ed/es/
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21:33<aombk>why is that petemc?
21:33<aombk>what if i also put a boot flag in the new boot partition?
21:34<petemc>boot is where the kernel is, which is fairly crucial
21:34<petemc>linux cares not for boot flags
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21:35<petemc>the bootloader needs to fetch the kernel, so if you're switching shit around it wont know where to get it
21:35<aombk>i have copyed everything from /dev/sda1(my current /boot) to /dev/sda6
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21:35<aombk>the kernels i have also
21:35<aombk>isnt that ok?
21:35<petemc>thats fine, is your bootloader aware of what you're doing?
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21:36<aombk>you mean grubs menu.lst?
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21:36<aombk>or is there more to it?
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21:38<petemc>no
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21:38<petemc>well, potentially, but grub is versatile
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21:39<aombk>petemc what do you mean?
21:40<petemc>there are a number of things that could cause the boot process to fail
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21:42<aombk>can you explain a little? what shuld i check?
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21:43<adb>cat /proc/cmdline
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21:46<aombk>can i tell grub where root is except with that root (hd0,0) ?
21:47<petemc>that question, to me, doesnt make much sense
21:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 369] by debhelper
21:47<petemc>you can tell grub lots of things, the grub shell is very useful
21:48<aombk>i mean that title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10-generic
21:48<aombk>root (hd0,4)
21:48<aombk>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/sda5 ro quiet
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21:49<aombk>that root (hd0,4) points to the partition that has the kernel right?
21:49<petemc>whats with that kernel?
21:49<aombk>can i be more specific about that partition?
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21:50<aombk>that is not from my menu.lst
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21:50<petemc>i dont see how you can be more specific than explicitly specifying the partition
21:51<petemc>what were you thinking?
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21:52<petemc>you can edit it, if thats what you're asking
21:52<petemc>press 'e'
21:52<aombk>hd(0,3) for example means the forth partition or i dont get it? /dev/sda6 would be more specific than (hd0,3) if i get it right
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21:52<petemc>you cant redefine grubs syntax, no
21:53<petemc>all you need to know is that geeks count from 0
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21:55<aombk>i dont remember but i think i have seen it somewhere. i think it was with grub (hd0,3) or whatever being expressed by a long line of nubers
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21:55<aombk>am i totally confused?
21:55<petemc>guid?
21:56<petemc>uuid
21:57<petemc>not relevant to your issue
21:57<aombk>oh yes maybe thats it
21:57<aombk>oh ok
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21:58<leper>how can i remove gnome from my laptop?
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21:58<aombk>uuid is for fstab?
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21:59<adb>!tell leper -about remove gnome
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21:59<leper>thank you adb =)
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22:00<adb>aombk, cat /proc/cmdline ..
22:00<aombk>i dont know, you just, uncheck it in synaptics?
22:00<aombk>adb i did that
22:01<adb>seen root=UUID=blahblah ?
22:01<aombk>yes. please wait i will do that again
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22:03<aombk>root=/dev/sda2 ro quiet it returned
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22:03<edbian>Why are some programs like cheese and ekiga depended on by gnome?
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22:05<aombk>i think because they use a library. gtk
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22:08<edbian>aombk: But gnome can't function without them? It seems that this is really silly. Is it so hard to image a system that does not require "cheese" ?
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22:09<petemc>i would guess that not much requires cheese
22:09<petemc>recommends?
22:11<aombk>oh really? it really reports them as dependencies?
22:12<leper>how i can get my ip if i want to give to a friend for join by openssh
22:12<leper>??
22:12<adb>/sbin/ifconfig
22:12<leper>that is the same that #ifconfig?
22:13<petemc>leper: whatismyip.com
22:13<leper>ok petemc
22:13<edbian>petemc: aombk: If I try to remove cheese or ekiga I get that apt wants to remove "gnome-desktop" which is really annoying
22:14<adb>gnome-desktop is a meta package so no problems , let it go
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22:15<aombk>hmm you are right edbian
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22:16<aombk>but then again what do you need a gnome desktop if you cant take pictures with your webcam?
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22:16<edbian>aombk: I don't have a webcam
22:17<petemc>how did cheese get installed in the first place?
22:17<edbian>petemc: Came with the base system
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22:17<petemc>no it didnt..
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22:18<edbian>?
22:18<aombk>there seems to be a bug about it. at least for ubuntu
22:18<aombk>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-gnome2/+bug/372385
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22:18<edbian>Ummm, it came with gnome-desktop-environment?
22:19<petemc>see what adb said
22:20<leper>petemc, that ip don't worked for join
22:20<adb>edbian, if you don't want "recommends" do that : echo 'APT::Install-Recommends "false";'>> /etc/apt/apt.conf
22:21<petemc>leper: is ssh running? is port 22 blocked?
22:21<edbian>adb: I don't really feel comfortable messing with the package manager like that
22:21<adb>leper, install ssh
22:21<leper>no
22:21<leper>it is open
22:21<leper>i can join
22:21<leper>but he can't
22:21<leper>cuz he don't have the ip
22:22<adb>leper, i can ping you
22:22<edbian>Thanks for the advice though guys1
22:22<adb>ping 201.222.248.209
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22:23<aombk>leper, are you behind a modem router or something?
22:23<leper>adb not this machine
22:23<leper>yes i'm from a router
22:23<leper>i will join from the other pc, wait
22:23<aombk>have you forwarded the port from the router to the pc hosting the ssh?
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22:24<leper>i can join from my pc to the other one, is that ok? or i have to open a port?
22:25<adb>no
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22:25<LepeR_>i want to know this ip
22:26<adb>201.222.248.209
22:26<leper>ok i'will try
22:27<adb>but is is the router IP , not yours
22:27<leper>but for join the pc?
22:27<aombk>leper what is the ip you are using to connect to the ssh?
22:28<aombk>the one that connects ok i mean
22:28<leper>i conect to the ssh with 192.168.1.3
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22:28<aombk>ok that is because you are making a local connection
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22:28<adb>leper, i get > ssh: connect to host 201.222.248.209 port 22: Connection refused
22:29<leper>what may i do?
22:29<aombk>for an outsider to connect you have to open that port 22 in the router and forward it to 192.168.1.3
22:29<adb>leper, so the router bock ssh
22:29<aombk>yes
22:30<leper>how i open the port?
22:30<adb> block *
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22:30<aombk>that is router specific
22:31<aombk>search fot it for your router
22:31<leper>i have a zyxel p-600 series
22:31<leper>ok
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22:34<NiteSnow>omg your lucky zyxel makes the best networking hardware
22:35<deavid>NiteSnow: do you think tah zyxel is better than.... Cisco?
22:35<aombk>cheaper for shure
22:35<deavid>of course :)
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22:36<deavid>I'm using linksys
22:37-!-mode/#debian [+l 363] by debhelper
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22:37<leper>thise router was given for a friend, he didn't use it
22:39<NiteSnow>cisco dosent have the best products im useing a cisco made modem and it constantly crashes
22:40<NiteSnow>the firmwires have alot of problems
22:41<petemc>that sounds fairly anecdotal
22:42<NiteSnow>yeh
22:42<petemc>i had a cisco router and it fell into a local singularity, it lasted infinite years
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22:45<petemc>other one i had broke after 18 months
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22:46<petemc>yet another one i own still works, im using it now
22:47<NiteSnow>cool
22:47<NiteSnow>yeh ive just had badd experiences
22:47<NiteSnow>i need to get a new modem but i also need to get my damn cable company to activate it
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22:49<bgat>is anyone having problems running a Live CD created with live-helper under qemu? My live cd image has KDE installed, and whenever qemu switches to graphical mode the window goes black
22:49<NiteSnow>probaly a driver issue
22:50<bgat>which driver?
22:50<adb>bgat, test it in virtualbox too
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22:51<bgat>virtualbox-ose-qt?
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22:52<adb>virtualbox-ose
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22:53<adb>install it plus kernel module
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22:54<adb>!tell bgat -about virtualbox
22:54<adb>!tell bgat -about vbox-install lenny
22:55<bgat>how do I tell virtualbox about the binary.img file?
22:55<adb>tell him to boot a cdrom image named binary.img
22:56<adb>ah , not .iso ?
22:56<bgat>right
22:57<adb>live may made .iso too
22:57<bgat>it could, but this time it didn't; I'm hoping to not have to rebuild...
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22:58*bgat re-runs lh_build, sadly... :)
22:58<kop>Humm, virtualbox may finally give me a hassle-free way to run sid; inside my desktop's lenny install.
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22:59<bgat>kop: good idea!
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23:30<sten>I try to get klash (gnash) running on a new install of kde/testing, but I dont have sound (kde has sound using phonon/xine).
23:30<sten>I tried installing xine and gstreamer, no change. what do I need?
23:31<kop>sten: No clue, but I suggest debugging step 1. Make sure the hardware is plugged in. Move from there up the stack, dmesg, logs, etc.
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23:31<kop>sten: Doh. I see you do have sound.
23:34<sten>kop: yeah, hardware works, I have sound, just not from klash/gnash. both aren't using the kde stack phonon/xine I think, that's why I installed gstreamer+plugins, but that didn't help either
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23:54<f1x3r>howdy thar
23:55<f1x3r>just got deb 5 installed,this is looking to be the best ux distro I have gotten my n00b hands on yet
23:59<kingsley>f1x3r: Congratulations.
23:59<kingsley>f1x3r: For two reasons:
23:59<kingsley>f1x3r: First, you installed.
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