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---Logopened Sun Oct 11 00:00:00 2009
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00:00<f1x3r>..
00:00<f1x3r>yes?
00:00-!-iron [~tobias@p4FD2CEF0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:00<kingsley>f1x3r: Second, the more proficient you become at installing, the less you have to fear from experimenting and learning, because you know you can always re-install.
00:01<f1x3r>I agree,well im A+ and I work in the support center for a wisp
00:01<f1x3r>Ive been looking for the right liinux distro for a few months now
00:01<f1x3r>Ubuntu was just to, well, faggy for me
00:02<f1x3r>didnt feel mature, was real buggy too
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00:03<f1x3r>Yeah when I get proficient enough, I plan to then ditch windows alltogether
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00:03<f1x3r>Right now I got only one driver issue, and thats it, everything else is workin great
00:04<f1x3r>audio drivers arent loading
00:04<f1x3r>Sis630 TwinHead laptop platform
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00:04<f1x3r>Ac97 audio,unsure of chipset, either realtek or someone else likely
00:05<f1x3r>Aircrack suite runs great on this too
00:06<f1x3r>Oh ive got a valid question,Does Debian come with madwifi drivers?
00:07<jpinx-eeepc>yes
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00:08<f1x3r>yeah I didnt have an issue with my atheros card, just gotta figure out how to get back to managed mode without rebooting
00:09<f1x3r>I mean Im a wifi cracking super beast,but getting back into managed mode when im done has alluded me,and I reboot like a douche to get normal wifi functions back
00:09<f1x3r>I tried airmon-ng wlan0 mode managed
00:09<f1x3r>but that doesnt work
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00:14<f1x3r>I guess it would be an iwconfig command instead of that
00:14<f1x3r>hello
00:14<f1x3r>cupcakes sound tasty!! road trip!!
00:15<Gun_Smoke>f1x3r, man iwconfig
00:16<jpinx-eeepc>f1x3r: use wicd
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00:16<gsimmons>f1x3r: ITYM "airmon-ng stop wlan0", which just downs the interface and sets managed mode via iwconfig.
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00:17<f1x3r>wicd??
00:17<f1x3r>ive never heard of wicd
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00:18<f1x3r>but using airmon to stop the interface shuts it off completely in backtracj
00:18<f1x3r>yeah rebooting the comp to get back to managed mode is retarted
00:19<Retrograde>I just installed Lenny, and I'm having problems with the mixer and my sound card. It seems to be stuck on mute. The volume for the card is adjusted via multi track peak, although I can't adjust it at all. The sound card is an M-Audio Delta 1010LT. I should note that speaker-test works, although both channels work as mono for some reason.
00:20<Retrograde>I can't mute it, unmute it, link it, unlink it, or change any of the sliders. Output 2 (right) is is the only one above zero, but I can't change that eiter.
00:20<Retrograde>*either
00:20<jpinx-eeepc>!tell Retrograde about alsa
00:21<Retrograde>!alsa
00:21<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <alsa install>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <asoundconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net.
00:21<jpinx-eeepc>!tell Retrograde about self-tell
00:21<Retrograde>?
00:21<f1x3r>my sound cards also got issues from fresh install
00:22<Retrograde>!alsaconf
00:22<dpkg>alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from 'alsa-utils' at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS
00:22<jpinx-eeepc>Retrograde: did you not read the message?
00:22<Retrograde>I did...
00:22<f1x3r>alsa awesome,ill try that,thanks
00:22<jpinx-eeepc>please don't selftell here - use /msg dpgk alsaconf - or whatever
00:23<Retrograde>Sorry...
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00:23<f1x3r>/usr/sbin/alsa: Warning: Processes using sound devices: 3005(mixer_applet2).
00:23<f1x3r>Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-trident snd-util-mem snd-mpu401-uart snd-seq-midi snd-seq-midi-event snd-rawmidi snd-intel8x0m snd-ac97-codec snd-pcm snd-seq snd-timer snd-seq-device snd-page-alloc (failed: modules still loaded: snd-trident snd-util-mem snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi snd-ac97-codec snd-pcm snd-timer snd-seq-device snd-page-alloc).
00:23<f1x3r>Loading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-trident snd-util-mem snd-mpu401-uart snd-seq-midi snd-seq-midi-event snd-rawmidi snd-intel8x0m snd-ac97-codec snd-pcm snd-seq snd-timer snd-seq-device snd-page-alloc.
00:23<f1x3r>debian:/home/f1x3r#
00:23-!-f1x3r was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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00:24<f1x3r>whoops
00:25<jpinx-eeepc>!tell f1x3r about paste
00:25<f1x3r>lol
00:25<f1x3r>im gonna grab sum grub from the grocery store,you gurus gunna be up late?
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00:26<xemacs4321>9:30pm is my real lunch time
00:27<f1x3r>hmm looks like flash player needs an update]
00:27<f1x3r>anyoneknow the apt get for that?
00:28<f1x3r>brb,need food
00:29<jpinx-eeepc>!tell f1x3r about why aptitude
00:30<f1x3r>i know I dont need apt to install stuff, just a n00b and thats how i been doin it
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00:30<f1x3r>aptitude
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00:30<f1x3r>oh snap aptitude awesome
00:31<f1x3r>thanks
00:31<f1x3r>brb
00:31<f1x3r>I noticed they did away with yum
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00:39<cupcake>anyone familiar with firmware-ralink?
00:39<cupcake>it works with kernel 2.6.24-24-386
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00:39<cupcake>but can't get it working with kernel 2.6.29-1-multimedia-686
00:39<f1x3r>man i only use atheros
00:39<cupcake>(i'm using 64studio)
00:40<Gun_Smoke>what's that?
00:40<cupcake>card is RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI
00:40<Retrograde>What the heck? Why is debian saying that .deb is an unsupported format?
00:40<cupcake>it's a audio distro based on debian
00:40<cupcake>64studio.com
00:40<f1x3r>lol yeah I got that deb thing too
00:40<cupcake>oh. your probably asking about atheros......
00:40<Retrograde>How do I solve it?
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00:41<Retrograde>?
00:41<f1x3r>oh Audio card me=shutting up now, thought u meant ralink wifi
00:41<cupcake>sudo dpkg -i *.deb
00:41<cupcake>yeah its a wifi card
00:41<cupcake>Retrograde: sudo dpkg -i *.deb
00:41<Retrograde>Ugh, I have to be sudo for everything.
00:42<Retrograde>*root
00:42<cupcake>yup
00:42<Retrograde>Is there a way to change that?
00:42<Retrograde>As in, so that it's a bit more lenient?
00:42<Retrograde>Because this is just getting ridiculous
00:43<f1x3r>lol security man
00:44<f1x3r>we gotta evolve,soz my n00b advice, get used to it
00:44<cupcake>you can... but i don't recommend it
00:44<Retrograde>Show me how.
00:44<cupcake>sudo su :P
00:44<Retrograde>Gee, thanks a ton.
00:45<cupcake>quick way to become root...
00:45<jpinx-eeepc>Retrograde: man sudo and change the time delay
00:45<Retrograde>That's not what I meant
00:45<jpinx-eeepc>mine's 15 minutes - plenty of time to get stuff done as root
00:46<Retrograde>I just wanted to change the security policy... or whatever the heck it's called
00:46<jpinx-eeepc>Retrograde: man sudo
00:46<Retrograde>Oh great, the package management system is broken.
00:47<cupcake>retrograde: apt-get -f install
00:47<Retrograde>Oh, and that's because I have to run it as root.
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00:47<jpinx-eeepc>Retrograde: you need to take a step back and think about what you're trying to do
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00:47<Retrograde>And why the heck do I have to insert the DVD every time I want to install a package?
00:48<jpinx-eeepc>Retrograde: you need to edit your sources.list
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00:48<Retrograde>Oh goody.
00:49<Retrograde>It couldn't even download any repo indexes.
00:49<aombk>hi, i have debian installed and now i would like to try to install windowsxp, will this affect any of my existing partitions?
00:49<gsimmons>cupcake: 64 Studio is not supported here. Please ask for assistance in #64studio on irc.freenode.net.
00:49<aombk>i have /boot partition at the begining of the hdd
00:50<jpinx-eeepc>aombk: your XP install will grab teh MBR and you'll have to work out how to re-edit it after teha install
00:50<Retrograde>In other words, you'll need to reinstall grub
00:50<Retrograde>or lilo, whatever you had picked
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00:51<Retrograde>What's with nautilus not having any toolbars except for the main one?
00:51<aombk>yes its grub, but thats only it, mbr, right? it wont affect any partitions, just the mbr. correct?
00:51<jpinx-eeepc>aombk: it is easier to install XP first, and then debian - because grub will recognise the XP partitions
00:51<adb>aombk, but why not running xp in virtualbox ?
00:51<adb>so you may have both in same time ...
00:52<jpinx-eeepc>adb: I know I can't run vbox because of not enough hardware
00:52<aombk>yes my case also
00:53<adb> needs only ram ...
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00:54<Retrograde>Well, #alsa is worthless
00:54<aombk>but what about performance?
00:54<jpinx-eeepc>aombk: vbox is great if you have the hardware
00:54<Retrograde>Wow, only 20 minutes in and I'm already finding it very tempting to erase botht the hard drive and the debian disk.
00:55<aombk>i only need windows to use cpu hungry VSTs
00:55<jpinx-eeepc>aombk: can you run them in wine?
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00:55<aombk>i dont have that much of a hardware just a netbook
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00:56<jpinx-eeepc>aombk: I *only* have the netbook
00:56<Retrograde>And the FSF idiots wonder why barely anyone uses linux, and almost all that actualyl do go to ubuntu.
00:56<aombk>i was using them with wine but yesterday i found out they use about twice cpu
00:56<aombk>under wine i mean
00:57<Retrograde>herp derp can't mount any partition even as root hurrrr
00:57<aombk>jpinx-eeepc, actually just a netbook is what we all need
00:59<Retrograde>Well, I've had my "fun." Debian is officially a pile of arse. I'm going back to Suse and Win7, thank you very much.
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01:01<jpinx-eeepc>*plonk*
01:03<adb>!next
01:03<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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01:03<Gun_Smoke>Any idea where to look if a t7500 supports high resolution timer?
01:05<jmarsden>Gun_Smoke: cat /proc/cpuinfo # But I'm not sure which flag is the one that says it supports that timer :)
01:05<Gun_Smoke>jmarsden, yeah I was looking there.. google returned 2 hits. Neither helped.
01:05<jmarsden>Might be tm ?
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01:07<Gun_Smoke>CX16 looks better
01:07<Gun_Smoke>http://blog.incase.de/index.php/cpu-feature-flags-and-their-meanings/
01:09<jmarsden>Gun_Smoke: Maybe... but that's an instruction you can use for such counters, not the counters themselves... tsc ??
01:11<Gun_Smoke>humm.
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01:28<f1x3r>Well Im back from the store, and after catching up I see some twat named retrograde was very rude to people who dedicate time to helping noobs like me
01:28<f1x3r>forget that skid, I lub u guys allready
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01:39<aombk>ok, and now i would like your recomendation of a nice recovery cd
01:39<aombk>cuz i lost my /home partition
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01:51<adb>reinstall all
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02:05<aombk>fixed it! whats that shit with overlapping partitions?
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02:26<cupcake>how do i compile firmware-ralink againt a different kernel? it works with 2.6.24-24-386 but not 2.6.29-1-multimedia-686.
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02:27<bizhan>HI all I get this error on my system: ls /proc/$$/fd stdout /dev/console (deleted) why??
02:28<LepeR_>oliiii
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02:32<gsimmons>cupcake: There is nothing to compile, as the contents of that package are binary-only images. Again, 64 Studio is not supported in this channel.
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02:34<cupcake>sorry
02:34<cupcake>how do i pipe the output of a command into a file? such as dmesg for instance?
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02:41<cupcake>thanks...hmmm, i'm having the same problem in debian. it works in kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64 but not in 2.6.29.4-rt16, which i compiled
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02:49<josh_>cupcake: kernel 2.6.29 has no support in debian
02:50<josh_>cupcake: but you can use 2.6.30 which is included in squeeze
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03:35<zulfi>does anybody know how to get paltalk messenger running on ubuntu 9.0.4
03:35<simonrvn>zulfi: wrong channel
03:35<zulfi>sorry
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03:46<yz250>gr
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03:46<gpm>hi. i want to create a guest account a la ubuntu, i think they use tmpfs for guest's home and have some other permissions things, if anyone knows of a good guide for setting up a guest account it'd be helpful (or suggestions).
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04:06<liminal>hi
04:06<liminal>my bluetooth isnt starting, i think blueman is sick
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04:07<liminal>Oct 11 09:00:47 liminal-laptop x-session-manager[3002]: WARNING: Could not launch application 'bluetooth-applet.desktop': Unable to start application: Failed to execute child process "bluetooth-applet" (No such file or directory)
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04:34<Lethalman>liminal, remove bluetooth-applet.desktop from your saved session
04:35<liminal>how do i do that?
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04:54<liminal>lethalman ?
04:54<Lethalman>oh ok
04:54<Lethalman>liminal, you should install bluez-gnome
04:54<Lethalman>if you want bluetooth
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04:55<Lethalman>if you don't want then remove that .desktop file from autostart (it should be under .config/autostart or such)
04:55<liminal>i have blueman
04:55<Lethalman>so you don't need that applet?
04:55<liminal>i think blueman uses bluez
04:56<liminal>but cant find it for some reason
04:56<Lethalman>ok but not bluez-gnome
04:56<Lethalman>this is the situation: install bluez-gnome if you want that application, or remove the .desktop from autostart
04:56<liminal>blueman is gtk
04:57<liminal>it comes with ubuntu 8.10
04:57<Lethalman>but it has no bluetooth-applet
04:57<Lethalman>so remove that .desktop
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04:57<CyberWolf>hi there
04:57<liminal>im not sure how
04:57<Lethalman>liminal, I said you about 3-4 times
04:57<Lethalman>open your session manager
04:57<CyberWolf>who help me? My mouse is missing
04:58<Lethalman>do a find $HOME -name bluetooth-applet.desktop
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05:02<liminal>okay ive found it
05:02<liminal>./etc/xdg/autostart/bluetooth-applet.desktop
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05:05<liminal>lethalman whats the delete command
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05:06<Lethalman>liminal, rm file... or do it from nautilus
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05:26<si-p>hi, i have a disk partition table problem
05:27<liminal>lethalman i reinstalled bluetooth gnome
05:27<Lethalman>ok
05:27<liminal>and now it seems tobe working
05:27<si-p>looks like I've somehow screwed up the creation of a partition
05:27<si-p>i've been writing to the partition, but after a reboot fdisk doesn't show it anymore
05:27<si-p>but parted does
05:28<liminal>but i cant connect to my bluetooth device with ubuntu
05:28<liminal>because it only allows a four digit pin
05:28<si-p>my theory is that somehow i have set the type
05:28<liminal>and bluetooth devices accept 15 digit pins
05:28<si-p>primary, extended, logical
05:28<si-p>is there a way to correct this w/o losing the data?
05:29<liminal>does anyone know where to set the bluetooth pibn
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06:26<graemer>hi
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07:07<graemer>grub2 does test the floppy on statup - how can I disable this?
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07:08<dr|z3d>graemer: grub tests for floppy, or your bios does?
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07:10<graemer>dr|z3d, grub2 not the bios
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07:15<dr|z3d>graemer: --no-floppy
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07:16<dr|z3d>$ /boot/grub/menu.lst
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07:17<dr|z3d>Nope.
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07:17<gsimmons>graemer: Known issue, reported in Debian bug #549905.
07:17<dr|z3d>Sorry. That's me looking at my legacy grub 1 files. :/
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07:18<liminal>does anyone know where paired bluetooth pins are stored?
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07:19<graemer>dr|z3d, shouldn't it be file from /etc/grub.d ?
07:20<graemer>gsimmons, oh -thx
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07:26<dr|z3d>graemer: /etc/default/grub then update-grub I _think_
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08:24<cartman>hello
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08:24<cartman>all
08:25<icebrain>hi
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08:25<cartman>i have problem
08:25<cartman>please help me
08:26<icebrain>!ask
08:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:27<cartman>i'm using ubuntu 9.04
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08:28<cartman>and what can i mount the flash disk on ubuntu 9.04
08:28<icebrain>have you tried asking at #ubuntu?
08:28<cartman>yes
08:29<slush>!ubuntu
08:29<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
08:29<cartman>but i can not response them
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08:32<cartman>if you also won't answer the my question i will break out
08:32<ichdasich>cartman: yep. do so. the right way to 'break out' is /quit
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08:34<cartman>what are you speaking ichdasich?
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08:37<woocyfear>Hello everybody
08:38<woocyfear>i removed /emul folder, please help me how can i get it back
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08:38<woocyfear>what i need to install?
08:39<woocyfear>when i install ia32-lib , it doesn't create /emul
08:39<woocyfear>i try to install with apt-get
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08:40<Torsten_W>ia32-libs does not use /emul anymore
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08:40<Torsten_W>they use the new path /usr/llib32 and /lib32
08:40<woocyfear>i'm using debian testing
08:40<Torsten_W>and?
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08:41<woocyfear>google earth is searching for libGL.so.1
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08:41<woocyfear>i wanted to reinstall it, to recreate /emul
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08:42<Torsten_W>woocyfear, symlink /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib to /usr/lib32 and /emul/ia32-linux/lib to /lib32
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08:42<woocyfear>when i install nvidia...bin it creates the /emul folder but googleearth does not fount it anyway
08:43<woocyfear>which nvidia driver could i use on testing version?
08:43<woocyfear>from the package manager i could not get to work nor
08:44<woocyfear>whe i tried to install nvidia-glx , it wanted to remove all xserver packages
08:45<Torsten_W>you should not use debian testing, if you can't handle it
08:46<woocyfear>yes i know, but my camera doesn't supported by 2.6.26 kernel, only with 2.6.30
08:46<woocyfear>so i must use testing
08:46<woocyfear>unfortunally i'm new in linux
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09:11<puppygirl>hello guys, i have a powerbook G4, with a GeForce4 440 and with debian lenny on. I am trying to use a external monitor, but nothing works (just some white rumor...). Can anyone help me pretty please?? ^-^
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09:11<abrotman>xrandr ?
09:12<puppygirl>i try with it.. i can change resulution, but not of external monitor
09:12<puppygirl>if i run xrandr i get
09:13<puppygirl>Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1440 x 900, maximum 1440 x 900
09:13<puppygirl>default connected 1440x900+0+0 0mm x 0mm
09:13<puppygirl> 1440x900 60.0*
09:13<puppygirl> 1280x800 60.0
09:13<puppygirl> 1280x768 60.0
09:13<puppygirl> 1152x768 55.0
09:13<puppygirl> 1024x768 60.0
09:13<puppygirl> 800x600 60.0 56.0
09:13<puppygirl> 640x480 60.0
09:13<puppygirl>and that mean i guess it cant see the external monitor?
09:13<dr|zed>!pastebin
09:13<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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09:13<puppygirl>ops... sorry for posting to many lines ^_^
09:14<peej>I guess the bot doesn't care to kick puppygirl. A bot with a heart?
09:14<abrotman>that's all you get ?
09:14<abrotman>or it was rate-limited
09:15<puppygirl>so i see just screen 0 (and i guess that the laptop monitor), so it cannt se ethe external maybe... but its connected (and get some white with green and violet monitor)
09:15<puppygirl>whats mean "rate-limited"?
09:15<puppygirl>(bot didnt kick me cause is my ex X-D )
09:15<abrotman>puppygirl: paste all of hte output of `xrandr ; uname -a`
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09:16<abrotman>whoops
09:16<puppygirl>mmm i cat paster it here right?
09:16<abrotman>no .. use paste.debian.net
09:17<puppygirl>http://paste.debian.net/48756
09:18<puppygirl>here hope i did it right ^_^
09:18<puppygirl>if someone help me win a (virtual) pie and a kiss (on the cheek) ^_^
09:20<puppygirl>really need a bigger screen cause i will go under some laser operation and without a bigger screen i cuoldnt use computer or look film for 2-3 weeks ... sob
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09:21<ichdasich>puppygirl: maybe you want to check out #debian-women, too. http://women.debian.org/faqs/ <<
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09:22<puppygirl>mmm... didnt see how that wuold help my poor lil monitor...
09:23<ichdasich>puppygirl: you're right, it's slighlty unrelated. but:
09:23<ichdasich>1. there are a lot of really skilled people in there
09:23<abrotman>puppygirl: it only sees one output device
09:23<ichdasich>2. it might proofe interesting for you
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09:24<puppygirl>ok ill try there olso
09:24<azeem_>ichdasich: eh, how is #debian-women relevant?
09:24<puppygirl>yes that what i suspect but i hva e no idea of how to make him see the external monitor. Maybe playing with xorg?
09:25<ichdasich>azeem_: as i mentioned before: it isn't. just know that they like a growing community over there, too?
09:25<jpinx-eeepc>lshal
09:25<azeem_>development community, really
09:25<puppygirl>any other channel where i can find expert? like a xrandr channel? ^^
09:25<azeem_>puppygirl: what's wrong with this channel?
09:26<peej>puppygirl, did you try a poweroff of the G4 and the monitor, then, from cold, powering up again?
09:26<jpinx-eeepc>puppygirl: lshal
09:26<ichdasich>puppygirl: there is afaik an xorg-channel... and #gentoo-ppc on freenode.
09:26<puppygirl>well i restart, didnt try the "cold", how that differs from rebooting?
09:26<abrotman>puppygirl: i just told you, your device only has one output
09:26<jpinx-eeepc>puppygirl: you need to find out why your external screen in not showing up
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09:27<jpinx-eeepc>puppygirl: lshal and look for it
09:27<puppygirl>any tips for undertanding how?
09:27<puppygirl>ill try there too thx!
09:27<puppygirl>open for any idea ^^
09:27*jpinx-eeepc gives up
09:28<puppygirl> jpinx-eeepc: mmm what i did?
09:28<puppygirl>ohh that a command!!
09:28<puppygirl>now i ry that lshal and post it here!
09:28<puppygirl>thx
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09:29<jpinx-eeepc>puppygirl: don't put that ther - look for it yourself
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09:29<puppygirl>what i shuold search there?
09:29<peej>jpinx-eeepc, should lshal (if working right) show external monitors?
09:29<puppygirl>by the way is so long i cant post via gnome terminal sigh XD
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09:30<abrotman>i'd suspect it should at least show an additional output device if it exists
09:30<abrotman>puppygirl: redirect to a file .. use paste.debian.net .. upload the file
09:30<azeem_>or use pastebinit
09:30<puppygirl>right!
09:30<jpinx-eeepc>puppygirl: use grep
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09:32<puppygirl>sob it say: Length of code is not allowed to exceed 70kb
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09:32<puppygirl>sure jpinx-eeepc, but i have no idea WHAT to bgrep ^_^
09:33<jpinx-eeepc>puppygirl: lshal | grep <maker/model/nameof monitor>
09:33<jpinx-eeepc>puppygirl: go fishing
09:33<abrotman>the total lshal would be more useful
09:34*puppygirl tries to fish
09:34<puppygirl>well there are any place when i can post BIG output?
09:34<puppygirl>http://paste.debian.net/ dont accept t cause to large
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09:34<jpinx-eeepc>puppygirl: if you grep you won't need big paste
09:35<puppygirl>ok i am olso trying to grep ^_^
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09:36<xellink>i have some queries before formatting my ext3 to ext4, anyone care to answer?
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09:38<puppygirl>mm i tried to grep belinea, maxdata, EVEN monitor and screen... but no answer
09:38<abrotman>this is why i said to paste the whole thing
09:39<abrotman>xellink: just ask your question
09:39<puppygirl>yes but i CANT past it on debian.paste
09:39<jpinx-eeepc>puppygirl: paste it all in bits
09:39<debby>!seen ajavid
09:39<dpkg>ajavid <~ajavid@ip72-203-157-46.br.br.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 20d 20h 21m 1s ago, saying: 'fuck yo uand have a fantastic day'.
09:39<abrotman>jpinx-eeepc: paste.debian.net allows you to upload a file
09:39<puppygirl>mmm ok.. ill try to take it in pieces
09:40<puppygirl>i did allow a file and he said: Length of code is not allowed to exceed 70kb
09:40<peej>when I do that, I get info.product showing 3 video buses and 2 usb video devices. I can also see my video card (GeForce blah blah). Can't see anthing to do with monitor.
09:40<jpinx-eeepc>abrotman: ok - didn't know that ;)
09:40<peej>('that' = lshal | grep 'stuff')
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09:42<peej>does anyone have a sample monitor line from lshal output?
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09:42<puppygirl>http://www.2shared.com/file/8362972/1544f2a1/lshal.html
09:42<xellink>ok, firstly, i got an ntfs external usb HD with 500g and my main hard drive is ext3, are those enough to convert my ext 3 to ext4, assuming i boot from my ntfs, without losing any files
09:42<xellink>?
09:42<puppygirl>here is my lshal!
09:43<puppygirl>i upload t as a file
09:43<jpinx-eeepc>xellink: it depends on how much data there is
09:43<valdyn>xellink: converting ext3->ext4 does not need any extra space
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09:44<xellink>valdyn: what if i don't want to convert, i heard people bricking their ext3 when converting, i want to make all files make use of the extent system
09:45<valdyn>xellink: thats silly
09:45<xellink>valdyn: isn't a full format better than conversion?
09:45<valdyn>xellink: extents have no significant benefit on small files
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09:45<defcom>hi
09:46<defcom>how can i generate a new mpd.conf automatically?
09:46<xellink>valdyn: which means i don't really need EXT4 as of now?
09:46<xellink>valdyn: i'm a noob here, but what does ext4 do that increases boot time?
09:47<xellink>*decreases
09:47<valdyn>xellink: ext4 does not increase boot time
09:47<valdyn>xellink: not much at all?
09:48<valdyn>xellink: you can convert to ext4 and just reinstall a few packages relevant to booting
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09:48<xellink>valdyn: so ext4 has few/negligible benefits?
09:48<valdyn>xellink: maybe negligible for you
09:49<xellink>valdyn: i see, so its only useful for BIG files, like 20gig or so?
09:49<valdyn>xellink: ext4 is vastly faster with huge files and a little bit faster for small files
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09:49<xellink>valdyn: huge is a vague term =)
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09:50<peej>puppygirl, that site seems to hate my browser - it doesn't give me a clickable link
09:50<valdyn>xellink: large file is anything >4G
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09:50<valdyn>xellink: thats what linux defines as large file
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09:50<valdyn>xellink: but for ext3 vs ext4 the difference plays out earlier, maybe at 1g or maybe even less
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09:51<puppygirl>peej: i ll try to upload it smeone else XD
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09:51<xellink>valdyn: hmm, interesting, when i format my computer, i'll get ext4 then, maybe when i switch from debian to lucid lynx or something
09:52<valdyn>xellink: migrating to ext4 is trivial, migrating individual files can be done over time be reinstalling packages or on package upgrades
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09:53<xellink>valdyn: there are some articles that ext4 reduces boot time significantly though
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09:53<puppygirl>peej and others that want to help me: http://uploading.com/files/5dc5mb85/lshal.txt/
09:53<valdyn>xellink: whats significant? 10%?
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09:53<valdyn>xellink: thats up to you
09:54<xellink>valdyn: from 30 sconds to 25 seconds is significant
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09:55<gsimmons>defcom: /etc/mpd.conf is not generated, it is supplied in the mpd package. It has the same content as /usr/share/doc/mpd/examples/mpd.conf.gz.
09:56<xellink>valdyn: thanks a lot, i'll reconsider my plans to convert/format again
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09:57<vinicius>im looking for the package that add C language reference to man entries
09:57<valdyn>vinicius: manpages-c
09:58<valdyn>vinicius: manpages-dev
09:58<vinicius>valdyn, thanks!
09:58<vinicius>i installed a bunch of *-c reference packages
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10:01<defcom>gsimmons, yeah, thx
10:01<jpinx-eeepc>puppygirl: your lshal is not available for some reason - chop it up and paste it in bits
10:01<puppygirl>doh XD
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10:02<rah>why would ld be reporting that a symbol isn't defined in a library that isn't given on the command-line?
10:02<rah>/opt/xorg-ati-free/lib64/libXi.so.6: undefined reference to `XESetWireToEventCookie'
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10:06<azeem_>rah: what do you mean with "isn't given on the command-line"?
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10:07<rah>azeem: there is no -lXi option given to g++
10:07<azeem>maybe another library depends on it?
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10:08<rah>I'm a little confused
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10:08<rah>if a library depends on libXi and pulls it in, why does the same no occur for libX11?
10:08<rah>(where `XESetWireToEventCookie' is defined)
10:09<azeem>because the build system is broken?
10:09<azeem>or you locally compiled libXi
10:09<azeem>your*
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10:10<rah>why would local compilation of libXi effect whether it can be properly linked?
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10:10<azeem>because it might be ill-compiled?
10:11<azeem>look, you're not giving enough details to actually take a shot at guessing
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10:11<azeem>so far all we can conclude is that you manually compiled something, and it messed up your system
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10:11<rah>I don't know what details you want
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10:12<azeem>lke
10:12<azeem>like
10:13<azeem>what are you trying to do?
10:13<azeem>what is the command-line?
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10:13<azeem>why do you have X libraries in /opt?
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10:15<rah>azeem: http://pastebin.com/m6876d2af
10:15<rah>that's the command-line and some details
10:16<rah>the reason I have X libraries in /opt is because I use X from git
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10:16<rah>what I'm trying to do is compile my software, which has a gtk gui
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10:17<defcom_>gsimmons, i can start the mpd daemon with this mpd.conf without problem, but if i want to connect with ncmpc or the conky-plugin i get the error "problems getting a response form "localhost" on port 6600"!?
10:18<azeem>rah: do you have some LD* stuff set in the environment?
10:18<rah>I do
10:19<azeem>pastebin it
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10:19<rah>http://pastebin.com/m647ec130
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10:24<rah>azeem: and ideas?
10:24<rah>s/and/any/
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10:24<azeem>not right now, sorry
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10:26<rah>anyone else?
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10:27<rah>anyone else alive?
10:27<rah>anyone care?
10:27<azeem>eh
10:27<azeem>please be patient
10:28<azeem>you're asking an off-topic question
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10:28<rah>really?
10:28<azeem>yep
10:28<rah>why is it off-topic?
10:29<azeem>1. you're running non-Debian software
10:29<azeem>2. you're asking for programming/linker advice
10:29<rah>the linker is Debian's linker though
10:30<rah>I assumed that would make it on-topic
10:30<azeem>that doesn't mean general programming/linker question are on-topic here
10:30<weasel>I am using vi on debian. Please help me write my thesis.
10:30<azeem>if you insist that it is on-topic, them my answer is
10:31<azeem>get rid of that stuff in /opt and come back with the error message
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10:31<rah>weasel: I'm not asking for help to write my software; I'm asking for help in diagnosing anomalous behaviour in Debian's software
10:32<azeem>rah: as I said, we blame your stuff in /opt
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10:33<rah>azeem: isn't using Debian's linker to link non-Debian software supported? :)
10:34<gsimmons>defcom_: Try setting the MPD_HOST environment variable to 127.0.0.1, then start ncmpc.
10:34<rah>my stuff in /opt doesn't contain linking functionality
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10:35<azeem>obviously the linker falls over it
10:35<rah>err.. exactly
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10:45<rah>why is the linker falling over it?
10:47<azeem>what does objdump -T /opt/xorg-ati-free/lib64/libXi.so.6 | grep XESetWireToEventCookie say?
10:47<abrotman>should we ask if it works with the debian packages? or why are you compiling Xorg?
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10:50<rah>rah@myrtle:~$ objdump -T /opt/xorg-ati-free/lib64/libXi.so.6 | grep XESetWireToEventCookie
10:50<rah>0000000000000000 DF *UND* 0000000000000000 XESetWireToEventCookie
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10:55<jMCg>http://bash.org/?866112
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11:01<rah>jMCg: I want to compile some software.. it's not like that's an unusual goal in the use of ld
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11:05<liminal>hi
11:05<liminal>i need to edit my bluetooths pair device pin
11:05<liminal>any ideas anyones?
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11:06<azeem>liminal: do you have a file called "/etc/bluetooth/pin"?
11:07<liminal>i made one
11:07<liminal>it didnt seem to have an effect
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11:08<azeem>also check /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf
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11:11<alephnull>I appear to be bitten by #546558, despite being at the latest version of cups.
11:11<lancelot_of>if i play flv videos with totem all works good, but if i play them with xine i can only see them, but not listen to, 'cause there's an horrible background feedback.do i miss any lib?
11:12<abrotman>lancelot_of: have you also tried vlc and/or mplayer?
11:13<lancelot_of>abrotman, not at all, is it necessary?
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11:15<defcom_>gsimmons, yeah thank you
11:15<liminal>i dont have a hcid.conf
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11:17<lancelot_of>abrotman, vlc works fine
11:19<lancelot_of>abrotman, but i'd like to use xine..i remember it worked until some libs were uninstalled by apt-get, but i don't remember which ones or how to recognize them
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11:19<abrotman>you can check /var/log/dpkg.log ?
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11:25<jason>one know an alternative server for kernel-archive.buildserver.net? It's been offline for a while and apt-get times out on it now...
11:26<jason>this would be for deb etch main
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11:28<rah>rah@myrtle:~/proj/tkresolver++/build/myrtle/editor$ ldd /usr/lib/libgtkmm-2.4.so | egrep 'libX(i|11)\.'
11:28<rah> libX11.so.6 => /opt/xorg-ati-free/lib64/libX11.so.6 (0x00007fd10482a000)
11:28<rah> libXi.so.6 => /opt/xorg-ati-free/lib64/libXi.so.6 (0x00007fd103bed000)
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11:28<rah>curiouser and curiouser
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11:31<user01>mmm quick printing question
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11:31<user01>I selected 4 copies of a 2 page document and selected front and back
11:32<user01>it printed page 1 twice front and back
11:32<liminal>azeem any more ideas?
11:32<liminal>blue tooth manager lets you create a custom pin
11:32<liminal>but it is limited to 4 digits
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11:33<liminal>which is just wrong, because blue tooth devices can accept up to 12 digit pins
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11:34<user01>oh thats stupid you have to check collate
11:34<azeem>liminal: no idea, I guess it depends on the bluetooth version
11:35<azeem>I never used more than 4 digits
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11:36<liminal>well the device i have requires an 8 digit pin
11:36<liminal>its what it comes set with
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11:36<user01>i should have signed up for a windows 7 party so i could run debian next to it
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11:40<liminal>Oct 11 16:39:53 liminal-laptop bluetoothd[2484]: pin_code_request (sba=00:23:4E:E3:DB:9D, dba=00:12:6F:00:3D:AB)
11:40<liminal>is that is fails on
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11:45<vinicius>what c# irc channel do you guys recommend me?
11:47<adb> .. d#
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11:49<rah>ah@myrtle:~/proj/tkresolver++/build/myrtle/editor$ /bin/bash ../libtool --tag=CXX --mode=link g++ ... -Xlinker --trace 2>&1 | egrep -- '-lX(11|render)'
11:49<rah>...
11:49<rah>-lX11 (/usr/lib/libX11.so)
11:49<abrotman>vinicius: to learn how to code C# ?
11:49<vinicius>abrotman, yes.. to get some help
11:49<rah>http://pastebin.com/m1667a22c
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11:50<rah>why is the linker visiting /usr/lib/libX11.so instead of /opt/xorg-ati-free/lib64/libX11.so?
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11:51<abrotman>vinicius: ##csharp on irc.freenode.net
11:52<vinicius>abrotman, i was trying #c on freenode, but is down actually
11:52<abrotman>vinicius: ##csharp on irc.freenode.net
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11:53<vinicius>abrotman, the #c channel is down
11:54<vinicius>abrotman, closed to be more accurate
11:54<weebl>##c?
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11:54<vinicius>weebl, i cant get in there
11:54<abrotman>vinicius: you want help with C# .. not C
11:54<weebl>i think u need to be registered
11:55<vinicius>weebl, i am
11:55<abrotman>vinicius: if you ask for help with C# in ##c .. you will get in trouble .. ask ##csharp
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11:55<weebl>i think this guy is a 12 o clock flasher
11:55<vinicius>abrotman, abrotman oh.. sorry... its just c
11:56<abrotman>vinicius: then the channel is ##c on irc.freenode.net
11:57<vinicius>abrotman, nice... but i cant get in there... the server says its closed
11:57<abrotman>##c
11:57<abrotman>not #c
11:57<vinicius>abrotman, the servers redirects when trying to get in #c
11:58<abrotman>i can get in ##c just fine
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11:58<vinicius>so /j ##c and /j #c are quite the same
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11:58<vinicius>abrotman, i dont know why not me
11:58<abrotman>you're not registered with nickserv ?
11:58<vinicius>abrotman, do you think im blocked?
11:58<vinicius>abrotman, i am
11:58<abrotman>NFC .. ask #freenode perhaps
11:58<abrotman>works just fine for me
11:59<vinicius>abrotman, thanks.. =)
12:00<rah>`LIBRARY_PATH'
12:00<rah>... Linking using GCC also uses these directories
12:00<rah> when searching for ordinary libraries for the `-l' option (but
12:00<rah> directories specified with `-L' come first).
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12:05<vinicius>abrotman, im banned =P
12:05<vinicius>abrotman, msging the ops to find out why
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12:17<corny>re
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12:21<corny>hi, is anybody here compiling the new 2.6.32-rc3 release?
12:22<abrotman>are you?
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12:22<corny>yes
12:24<corny>but I have problems with the drm/dri version in the kernel radeon/drm module and xorg -> while X I have no DRI support
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12:34<Guest844>anybody could help me connecting a USB broadband to Ubuntu 9.10?
12:36<Gold24>!ubuntu
12:36<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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12:36<knoppix_>hi
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12:38<Guest847>hola marco
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12:42<rugar>CiaO.o
12:42<rugar>ciao
12:43<rugar>ciao
12:44<rugar>vorrei sapere
12:44<rugar>se devo installare debian 4.0
12:44<rugar>su un pc
12:44<rugar>come scelgo l'architettura giusta?
12:44<cahoot>!it
12:44<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
12:44<rugar>grazie
12:44<rugar>:)
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12:49<lucifel>in lenny whats the easiest way to switch from one video server to another? like from fb to nv for instance? or from the free nv to the non-free?
12:49<azeem>edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
12:49<azeem>or run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
12:50<abrotman>it doesn't ask anymore
12:50<lucifel>thank you kindly
12:50<azeem>not even at low priority?
12:50<abrotman>i don't think so
12:50<adb>X -configure :1
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12:53<Wilthril>hi all
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12:54<Wilthril>anyone knows how to enable a nfs-kernel-server on debian lenny?
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12:55<Wilthril>apt-get says "no support in current kernel" >_<
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12:56<adb>Wilthril, uname -r , says ?
12:56<Wilthril>uname -r --> 2.6.15
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12:57<azeem>that's all?
12:57<Wilthril>yes that's all
12:57<azeem>Wilthril: then you probably need to ask whoever compiled that kernel
12:57<azeem>cause it wasn't debian
12:57<sney>2.6.15 dang
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12:57<Wilthril>oh ok thanks azeem
12:59<adb>Wilthril, cat /etc/issue , says ?
12:59<Wilthril>cat /etc/issue --> Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l
13:00<adb>32 bit ?
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13:00<abrotman>Wilthril: but we've been over this .. it's not a debian kernel
13:00<Wilthril>it's arm CPU
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13:01<lucifel>is wine stable enought to run wow?
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13:01<jadl>hello
13:01<Wilthril>lucifel: hell yeah
13:01<lucifel>awesome, any pointers?
13:01<jadl>where I can dowload, linux-headers-2.6.30-1-common
13:01<jadl>please
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13:02<abrotman>jadl: your kernel is out of date .. squeeze has -2- now
13:03<Wilthril>lucifel: just get the files once the game is installed, and run wine /path-to-wow/Launcher.exe
13:03<Wilthril>lucifel: oh and the only thing to do is enable opengl instead of directx
13:03<jadl>how update?
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13:04<jadl>abrotman: please, how update?
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13:06<abrotman>jadl: uname -r .. says what ?
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13:06<jadl>2.6.30-1-686-bigmem
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13:11<abrotman>jadl: aptitude install linux-image-686-bigmem
13:12<jadl>ok
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13:15<jadl>there, I have install linux-headers-2.6.30-2-common, or Not
13:16<jadl>(I'm sorry, I don't speak English)
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13:17<jadl>thanks you
13:17<jadl>bye
13:17<Comi>close
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13:18<egamonal>I instal·led a package for virtualbox and now my X are all messed up
13:18<egamonal>it updated my system and can't keep nvidia working :/
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13:28<w2k>anyone tell me how to restore my system to its default installation? I'm using debian 5 Lenny...
13:28<azeem>w2k: it's not generally possible
13:28<w2k>hmmm gonna have to reinstall then...
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13:29<azeem>maybe you could explain your problem, and people might be able to point out alternative solutions
13:29<faheem>w2k: debian systems are often fixable with reinstallation.
13:29<faheem>without, sorry
13:30<w2k>boot problems.. lots of errors messages and system taking too long to start up
13:30<azeem>that's too unspecific in order to give any advice
13:31<w2k>how abt this? dpkg-reconfigure all
13:31<faheem>w2k: you'll need to specify the error messages.
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13:36<w2k>right.. whenever i try to restart/shutdown Debian gives a "not responding" message and the shutdown window crashes.... does anyone know how to fix that plz?
13:36<azeem>what's the "shutdown window"?
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13:37<lucifel>whats a safe fstab entry if i want to make all users of a system able to have read only access to all parts of an ntfs drive, hypothetically on /mnt/ntfs ?
13:37<jpinx-eeepc>w2k: I guess you're using gnome or KDE shutdown? try it from the commandline
13:38<jpinx-eeepc>lucifel: mount it with ntfs - it's read only anyway;)
13:38<s4br3>Hi, I installed Grinvin on Debian Sid. However, when trying to start it it dies or at least nothing happens. It is a java app and I not sure how they work. It asks me for a folder, but it won't accept the ones I make for it. Anyone with a better clue?
13:38<w2k>its actually Gnome
13:39<lucifel>jpinx-eeepc: wontmost users not have access to it though if i simply mount it?
13:39<s4br3>Here is the Quick Start http://www.grinvin.org/manual/quick-start
13:39<jpinx-eeepc>lucifel: yes - but they can't write to it
13:40<jpinx-eeepc>s4br3: if you're running sid - expect it to break
13:40<jpinx-eeepc>!experimental
13:40<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/
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13:40<s4br3>jpinx-eeepc: But it rarely does...
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13:41<s4br3>Sorry. My fault. It is not Sid... I switched back a few weeks ago to unstable.
13:41<jpinx-eeepc>!testing
13:41<dpkg>hmm... testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
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13:42<jpinx-eeepc>s4br3: you don't even remember what ODDS version you're running - you should stick to stable :p
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13:42<s4br3>jpinx-eeepc: You got a point, essentially... LOL
13:42<candy>hello everybody! how can I restart X environment? thanx
13:42<lucifel>now that its mounted only root and disks have access to the ntfs drive, where should i change it for others?
13:42<candy>before CTRL ALT Delete would do the job
13:43<jpinx-eeepc>candy: startx
13:43<s4br3>Still, does anyone know how to make grinvin run?
13:43<jpinx-eeepc>lucifel: edit /etc/fstab to suit
13:43<jpinx-eeepc>judd: versions grinvin
13:43<judd>jpinx-eeepc: grinvin -- sid/contrib: 1.2-1 squeeze/contrib: 1.2-1
13:44<candy>jpinx-eeepc, thanx
13:44<jpinx-eeepc>s4br3: not available in stable
13:44<lucifel>jpinx-eeepc: that what i was trying to do unsuccessfully >_>
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13:45<jpinx-eeepc>lucifel: man fstab and look at the options
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13:52<s4br3>TOL, I have the latest version. But no go.
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14:04<lucifel>fstab lists it as "dev/hda5 /mnt/ntfsdrive ntfs defaults 0 2" and ive lso changed defaults to "rw,user" and "ro,user" still only root and disks groups can read any of the information on it
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14:07<lucifel>don't directories in /mnt need to have special permissions?
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14:31<jpinx-eeepc>lucifel: you're missing the point. ntfs doesn't do rw
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14:32<lucifel>im not worried about it being rw, just readable by all users
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14:34<jpinx-eeepc>lucifel: that entry will make is readable only by the person who mounts it
14:34<jpinx-eeepc>better to use a gid that will include everyone you want - you could even make a special group for users you want to read it
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14:37<lucifel>in fstab or groups would i include those changes?
14:37<lucifel>or neither?
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14:39<jpinx-eeepc>lucifel: create a group, add the users you want to allow to read the ntfs, eddit /etc/fstab to allow that gid
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14:43<leper>hello
14:44<Wilthril>hi
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14:55<antonio>hi ;)
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14:55<leper>hi
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15:07<leper_>my headphones don't sound, when kde starts appears an issue that stac92 analog don't work
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15:10<rah>argh
15:11<rah>there still seems to be a problem with my linker
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15:14<rah>there is no -L/usr/lib64 and yet the linker is still trying to get stuff from it:
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15:15<rah>-lX11 (/usr/lib64/../lib/libX11.so)
15:15<erick>Oi ?
15:15<N3U_D3B14N>hi friends, somebody here have implemented a freeradius server
15:15<leper_>can anyone help me please
15:15<leper_>??
15:15<erick>algum brasileiro ?
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15:15<N3U_D3B14N>fala erick
15:15<rah>/usr/lib64 is in LIBRARY_PATH but only after the directory where the linker should be looking, /opt/xorg-ati-free/lib64
15:16<erick>e ao blz n3u ?
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15:16<rah>I've also put /opt.. after /usr in LIBRARY_PATH just to see if it was reversing things
15:16<rah>still won't work
15:16<N3U_D3B14N>que vc precisa?
15:16<erick>nada man
15:16<abrotman>!es
15:16<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:16<erick>só vendo como funfa um IRC :D
15:16<abrotman>oh ..
15:16<abrotman>!br
15:16<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
15:17<leper_>my headphones don't sound, when kde starts appears an issue that stac92 analog don't work
15:17<N3U_D3B14N>é isso mesmo. use /j #debian-br para o canal debian em portugues
15:17<erick>Ok estou lá
15:18<N3U_D3B14N>mas sugiro que começe a aprender ingles se quiser sobreviver no mundo da informática
15:18<erick>Ok
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15:20<erick>The google serves for that
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15:22<rah>http://pastebin.com/m6ddced6
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15:27<rah>http://pastebin.com/m7e0c1740
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15:28<erick>Lol
15:29*rah bangs head against brick wall
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15:31<erick>better not
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15:31<rah>erick: are you talking to me?
15:32<erick>if you're talking it to me I'm talking to you
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15:35<rah>why is the linker looking in /usr/lib64 ahead of directories in $LIBRARY_PATH when there are no -L command-line switches telling it to use that directory?
15:36<azeem>rah: what does "env | grep PATH" say?
15:37<rah>azeem: http://pastebin.com/m333faef
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15:38<azeem>rah: /usr/lib64 is the system directory, you don't need to add it to -L to use it
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15:39<rah>azeem: I'm not using -L/usr/lib64 anywhere
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15:40<rah>azeem: which is the point
15:41<rah>azeem: the linker is looking in /usr/lib64 when it shouldn't be
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15:44<rah>why is the linker looking in /usr/lib64 ahead of directories in $LIBRARY_PATH when there are no -L command-line switches telling it to use that directory?
15:44<azeem>first off, it's $LD_LIBRARY_PATH AFAIK
15:44<rah>LD_LIBRARY_PATH is for the run-time linker AFAIK
15:45<azeem>uh right
15:45<azeem>are you sure $LIBRARY_PATH is actually used?
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15:45<rah>the gcc manual says it is so I'm guessing it will be
15:45<leper_>my headphones don't sound, when kde starts appears an issue that stac92xx don't work
15:46<azeem>rah: try linking with -v and see what the command-line says
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15:49<rah>http://pastebin.com/m6493e9fe
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15:50<azeem>so LIBRARY_PATH starts with /opt?
15:50<rah>yes
15:51<azeem>so what is the problem?
15:52<rah>the linker isn't putting the LIBRARY_PATH values ahead of /usr/lib
15:52<azeem>why do you think so?
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15:53<azeem>and you just said /usr/lib64 earlier
15:53<rah>the linker isn't putting the LIBRARY_PATH values ahead of /usr/lib64 either
15:54<azeem>21:52 < azeem> why do you think so?
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15:54<rah>because it says so
15:54<rah>http://pastebin.com/m5f7cdef0
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15:54<rah>look at lines 14 and 15
15:55<rah>-L/opt/xorg-ati-free/lib64/../lib
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15:55<azeem>and?
15:55<azeem>isn't that from your LIBRARY_PATH?
15:55<rah>no
15:55<rah>it has "../lib" appended to it
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15:56<azeem>well, no idea about that
15:56<leper_>my headphones don't sound, when kde starts appears an issue that stac92xx don't work
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15:57<azeem>rah: is this a 64bit box?
15:57<rah>yes
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15:58<azeem>could be that the Debian gcc adds that ../lib to make sure you're using a "lib" directory, dunno
15:58<azeem>or maybe it's upstream behaviour
15:58<arhangel_76>helo all
15:59<arhangel_76>is any one from romania?
15:59<azeem>!ro
15:59<azeem>arhangel_76: probably not
15:59<azeem>rah: did you try adding the directory via -L directly?
15:59<arhangel_76>hmmm
15:59<rah>azeem: yes, and it works fine
15:59<arhangel_76>ok
16:00<rah>the linker isn't putting the LIBRARY_PATH values ahead of /usr/lib{,64}
16:00<azeem>rah: eh, it does
16:00<azeem>it just adds a ../lib to them
16:00<azeem>AFAICT
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16:00<rah>instead, it's putting [LIBRARY_PATH values with "/../lib" appended to them], followed by /usr/lib{,64}, following by LIBRARY_PATH values
16:01<cyres>gn8@all
16:01<rah>azeem: LIBRARY_PATH values with ../lib added to them aren't LIBRARY_PATH values
16:01<rah>azeem: if they were, there wouldn't be a problem
16:01<azeem>whatever
16:01<azeem>check the Debian diff to gcc if you fancy
16:02<arhangel_76>i need help pls
16:02<arhangel_76>sombody......
16:02<azeem>arhangel_76: you didn't ask any questions yet
16:02<arhangel_76>ok
16:02<azeem>apart from the one about people from romania
16:02<arhangel_76>sorry
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16:03<azeem>arhangel_76: and there's certainly no need to /join #debian-ops
16:03<arhangel_76>what software do you think i need for a isp vpn server?
16:03<arhangel_76>on debian
16:04<arhangel_76>i have a litle network heer
16:04<arhangel_76>and i want a make a litle server
16:04<arhangel_76>vpn server
16:05-!-tuxwarrior [~tuxwarrio@190.86.137.84] has quit [Quit: leaving]
16:05<arhangel_76>i want to my clients conect to internet on vpn server
16:06<arhangel_76>(pppoe)
16:07<arhangel_76>pls
16:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 403] by debhelper
16:07<arhangel_76>help me
16:07<azeem>be patient
16:07<arhangel_76>ok
16:07<azeem>if somebody knows the answer, they will let you konw
16:07<azeem>otherwise, ask again tomorrow
16:07<arhangel_76>ok
16:08<arhangel_76>sombody?
16:08<arhangel_76>no one?
16:08<arhangel_76>ok
16:08<azeem>22:07 < azeem> be patient
16:08<arhangel_76>thank you
16:08<arhangel_76>k
16:09<abrotman>!enter
16:09<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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16:10<jure>how co i mount an ext4 fs as ext3 in debian?
16:10<jure>*do
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16:12<N3U_D3B14N>anyone here can help me with freeradius
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16:12<Cory->hey i got a question is there anyway when a user logs in to have the box send me an email with the timestamp,ip, and the username they used?
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16:13<N3U_D3B14N>the radtest results ok, bat when i try log in on the computer my password is not send to the server
16:13<abrotman>Cory-: /etc/profile ?
16:13<witte>Cory-: it should be quite easy to script something that does that
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16:14<witte>Cory-: most of the info is also in last
16:15<witte>Cory-: you might want to have a look at wtmp and related stuff (not really familiar with it myself)
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16:15<Cory->ahh ok
16:15<Cory->i know there is a bash line you can use for root
16:15<Cory->i have to look it up again
16:15<leper>alsa don't work!!
16:15<leper>can someone help me please
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16:16<Cory->i know there is wtmp and last but i wanted it to email me incase my box became compromised that way i would have a secondary copy.
16:16<leper>00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
16:16<leper> that is my card
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16:17<N3U_D3B14N>can someone help me?
16:18<Cory->leper, System > administration > hardware drivers
16:18<Cory->open that up see if it provides the drivers automatically for your audio card
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16:18<leper>Cory-, i just find kinfo center
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16:21<witte>!alsa
16:21<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <alsa install>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <asoundconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net.
16:22<witte>!alsa-checklist
16:22<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
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16:22<leper>leper:/home/leper# alsa
16:22<leper>Usage: /usr/sbin/alsa {unload|reload|force-unload|force-reload|suspend|resume}
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16:23<leper>that appears when i make alsa, with alsa-checklist appears nothing
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16:24<witte>leper: read the text that dpkg gave on alsa-checklist
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16:24<witte>and check the wiki
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16:27<Cory->N3U_D3B14N, describe the issue you are having in more detail and we might be able to help you.
16:27<Cory->leper, sorry for the late reply..
16:27<Cory->my keyboard batteries had died lol
16:27<N3U_D3B14N>i'm try configure a radius server to my wireless network
16:27<leper>lol don't worry Cory-
16:28<Cory->ok N3U_D3B14N and what is the issue your comming across? can you be more descriptive than that?
16:28<N3U_D3B14N>when i can post my configurations files
16:29<Cory->www.pastebin.com
16:29<N3U_D3B14N>sorry, where i can post my configuration files?
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16:29<leper>how do i know if my card have a realtek chipset?
16:30<abrotman>lspci ?
16:30<witte>leper: check lspci
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16:30<leper>00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
16:31<Cory->leper, try checking the ati site?
16:31<Cory->i know some hw providers offer linux drivers
16:31<Cory->i know ati used to
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16:32<witte>leper: seems to be a intel hda card, should work
16:32<leper>but now i have problems with alsa
16:32<leper>can i remove all, and reinstall?
16:32<witte>leper: did it work before?
16:33<leper>yes before it worked
16:33<witte>ok, did you follow the alsa checklist?
16:33<leper>i'm one the group
16:33<N3U_D3B14N>the radiusd.conf is there http://pastebin.com/m52c747e3
16:33<leper>on*
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16:33<witte>!tell leper about alsa-checklist
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16:34<leper>i have install oss-linux and this thing don't sound anymore
16:34<N3U_D3B14N>and my sql.conf is here http://pastebin.com/m6eb59176
16:34<leper>i thing that oss erase or disconfgire somthing
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16:36<N3U_D3B14N>my sites-avaible/default http://pastebin.com/m70cfbe54
16:36<Cory->witte, echo 'ALERT - Root Shell Access on:' `date` `who` | mail -s "Alert: Root Access from `who | awk '{print $6}'`" your@email.com
16:36<Cory->is the line for email upon root login
16:36<icwiener>Hi, is there anything like "rcconf" that works with the new boot system?
16:37<N3U_D3B14N>and finally, my clients.conf http://pastebin.com/m109f3557
16:37<Cory->but would that work if i imported it into the default bash profile with a modified message verse Alert - Root Shell access
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16:37<abrotman>update-rc.d
16:37<abrotman>maybe?
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16:37<Cory->ok N3U_D3B14N now what is the exact issue your having?
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16:37<nano->Humm.. I need to pin my kernel package so that it's never ever upgraded, otherwise my computer will not boot without a reinstall. But I have no idea on how to accomplish this.
16:37<icwiener>rcconf is way more convenient. :)
16:38<nano->All forms of upgrades other than running the default debian-installer kernel lenny are broken.
16:38<icwiener>However, since you reminded me of update-rc.d, I will try if it works here.
16:38<N3U_D3B14N>i want login with my notebook on the network with user and pass
16:38<witte>Cory-: i think it will work in most cases, but what if one logs into a csh shell?
16:38<N3U_D3B14N>the radtest is ok with my user and pass
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16:39<N3U_D3B14N>but with the note i can't send my pass to the server
16:39<Cory->witte, i dont premit csh csh = defaults to a false shell.
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16:39<Cory->and that bash is called from .bash_profile
16:39<witte>Cory-: only bash/sh should work, but I am not an expert
16:39<Cory->agreed
16:39<Cory->i only allow ssh/scp and sftp
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16:40<Cory->so hopefully it will work i will implament it in a few users profiles and hopefully it will work.
16:40<Cory->i know it works for the root account as i tested that yesterday
16:40<witte>Cory-: if you put it in the /etc/profile, it will be used by all
16:40<Cory->but just wasnt sure if it would work globally
16:40<Cory->sadly i cant witte :(
16:40<Cory->one sec
16:41<Cory->i modified the login process on my server
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16:42<leper>ok now i have sound on the speakers, but don't have sound on the jack
16:43<witte>Cory-: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-security-4/get-mail-notification-on-ssh-logins-595812/
16:43<Cory->O.o thanks witte will take a look now btw refer to your pm :p
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16:46<Cory->N3U_D3B14N, i dont see anything wrong with your configs but then again i have never used freeradius :(
16:46<N3U_D3B14N>thanks Cory-
16:46<Cory->np
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16:49<leper>can someone help to configure the jack please?
16:49<abrotman>jack or jackd ?
16:49<leper>the jack of my headphones
16:49<leper>don't sound
16:50<leper>just sound the speakers of my laptop
16:51<Cory->leper check your volume control panel make sure they arent muted
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16:52<abrotman>turn them all up
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16:55<N3U_D3B14N>leper, try install the gnome-alsamix
16:55<N3U_D3B14N>i hat a problem with my sound and in the gnome-alsamix has a control with the value zero
16:56<leper>N3U_D3B14N, even in kde??
16:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 395] by debhelper
16:57<N3U_D3B14N>i don't know, i use the gnome
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16:57<N3U_D3B14N>but here that was the problem
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16:58<leper>ok i will try it
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17:04<leper>it doesn't worked
17:05<leper>can someone help me to make sound my headphones on the frontal jack for my laptop please
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17:20<jpinx-eeepc>!tell leper about alsa-checklist
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17:21<leper>thank you but i see it
17:21<leper>don't work
17:21<leper>so i will format again
17:21<leper>the easy way
17:21<leper>bye bye see you on three hours more bye bye
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18:26<ampx>Hey guys my xorg leaks memory and by the end of the day I have to restart the xserver to get back like 200-300 mb of memory. Does anybody know how to solve this?
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18:28<bzip3>ampx, what video driver are you using ?
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18:29<bzip3>my workstation stays up at least a month every time...
18:31<weebl>now thats a waste of power
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18:35<ComradeHaz>Hi all, can anyone advise how I can fix the following dependancy issues, caused by dmsetup and soe other stuff: http://debian.pastebin.com/d305f1741
18:37<abrotman>ComradeHaz: don't run unstable ?
18:38<abrotman>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=545032
18:38<abrotman>I'll guess that's related
18:38<ComradeHaz>Ah. Yes, thanks
18:39<ComradeHaz>I thought it was me tat had broken it
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18:39<ComradeHaz>would have gone looking for a bug report otherwise
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19:04<chaoflow>Are there prepackaged grsec kernels for debian or a best-practices howto?
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20:13<jMCg>chaoflow: apt-cache search grsec
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20:15<chaoflow>jMCg: thx, that I found, from a security centered binary distribution I expected precompiled grsec kernels
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20:25<jMCg>I wouldn't expect anything much from Linux security wise that is not SELinux. Sadly.
20:26<jMCg>One of the problems with grsec is that the latest patches are probably for version 2.6.fuckinold or something like that.
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20:26<sney>wait, security centered?
20:27<jMCg>Stable:
20:27<jMCg>2.1.12-2.6.27.10
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20:27<jMCg>Test:
20:27<jMCg>2.1.14-2.6.31.3
20:27<jMCg>I guess that is acceptable..
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20:27<jMCg>chaoflow: if you really want security centered, then you'd have to look in the general direction of RHEL.
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20:28<sney>Debian is a multipurpose distro that can do a lot of different things, but I wouldn't consider it "security centered"
20:28<sney>for a second I was worried another one of those BT4 users had wandered in here again
20:29<jMCg>One of the things I'm missing is that Debian compiles it's packages with hardening options. (As in apt-cache show hardening-wrapper)
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20:29<jMCg>What's BT4?
20:30<sney>it's a debian-based distro that ships with a lot of intrusion detection, packet sniffing, security etc tools
20:30<sney>a few times a week, some kid will download and install it, and then show up in here with not a single clue of what he's doing
20:30<jMCg>Lovely.
20:31<sney>along the lines of "how do I use bash, oh and how do I change the root password if I don't know it"
20:31<delsvr>speaking of security, does anyone know if there's a firewall interface to iptables like the tool that ships in fedora?
20:31<noflash>!bt4
20:31<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.remote-exploit.org/backtrack.html #remote-exploit on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
20:32<sney>there are a bunch on freshmeat, delsvr. if you find a good one, let me know, I've been toying with the idea of replacing my ipcop box with a debian one that I have more complete control over
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20:33<delsvr>sney, k
20:34<chaoflow>sney: BT4?
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20:34<jMCg>I use iptables-save and iptables-restore, also vim: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1425
20:35<sney>chaoflow: see dpkg's response above. hanging out in a support channel makes me associate "security oriented" with "wannabe h4x0r"
20:35*chaoflow was using debian from slink to sarge
20:35<chaoflow>ah - sorry
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20:36<jMCg>Time to upgrade to Lenny then.
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20:37<chaoflow>jMCg: was using now gentoo for several years, but would like the comfort of binary packages and a system that doesnt force me to upgrade non-stop
20:37<jMCg>How boring!
20:39<chaoflow>on my laptop i use archlinux - nice - but its lacking a security team as far as i can tell
20:39<chaoflow>--> unsuitable for networked server
20:39<sney>I used gentoo for a while as well, it was better on the non-x86 architectures
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20:42<chaoflow>where can i find the kernel config for linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64? Is that the one in /usr/share/kernel-package/Config/config-amd64?
20:42<abrotman>/boot/ ?
20:43<sney>/boot/config-`uname -r`
20:43<dondelelcaro>sney: I've actually never used it, but in general, Debian supports exactly the same set of software on all of its architectures
20:43<chaoflow>sorry - sure - got mixed up
20:44<dondelelcaro>(so for example, I have exactly the same set of software on this powerpc as I do on my i386 and amd64 workstations)
20:44<chaoflow>archlinux: no config in /boot but /proc/config.gz, debian vice versa
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20:45<sney>dondelelcaro: back when gentoo wasn't a shell of its former self, debian's sparc distro was not split into sparc32 and sparc64. and sparc32 and sparc64 are not as similar as ia32 and amd64. it was hairy and slow and it had issues. I hear they've since fixed this, but I don't have my ultrasparc stuff anymore so I can't check
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20:45<sney>at the time gentoo was better for the hardware though.
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20:46<dondelelcaro>sney: right, that's really because of the lack of multiarch support, and because for a long time, sparc32 code was significantly faster than sparc64 on the same hardware
20:46<sney>I prefer apt and not having to build everything myself in the end
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20:47<dondelelcaro>O
20:47<jrabbit>anyone running unstable having issues with udev?
20:47<witte>jrabbit: not at this moment...
20:47<dondelelcaro>I'm actually not sure if gentoo was any better in that regard... but of course, they can sort of punt on actual real multiarch support since you rebuild everything. We can't
20:47<jrabbit>My friend might have to recompile his kernel... doesn't seem needed but it coudl be something else
20:47<dondelelcaro>jrabbit: you'll generally see bugs filed for your particular problem
20:47<sney>unstable is usually having issues with something
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20:47<sney>and yeah check bts
20:48<jrabbit>thats what I told him
20:48<jrabbit>:P
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20:50<looser>hi folks, can i get some help with this horrible wireless card? Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter [168c:001c] (rev 01)
20:50<sney>let me guess, you're running lenny?
20:50<looser>i seem to have tried it all modes and methods. including a custom kernel and none works!
20:50<looser>yeah
20:50<abrotman>looser: what is your kernel? uname -a
20:50<looser>i wont mind moving to squeeze/sid to get it to work.
20:51<sney>2.6.26 doesn't support that wifi card.
20:51<looser>Linux Sandbox 2.6.30-1-686 #1 SMP Sat Oct 10 21:16:14 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
20:51<abrotman>so you already use backports.org ?
20:51<sney>Squeeze's default 2.6.30 will work unless something else is broken
20:51<abrotman>judd: pciid 168c:001c
20:51<judd>abrotman: [168c:001c] is 'AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:001c http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k
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20:51<sney>my eee 1000HA has the same wifi controller, squeeze Works for Me (tm)
20:51<looser>i got the 2.6.31 from kernel.org
20:51<delsvr>sney, all I can really find is firestarter, which I don't like for some reason
20:51<looser>just a moment please let me check out the url.
20:52<delsvr>sney, probably going to just learn how to work the rules by hand
20:52<looser>can i also post the kernel config. i know its crude as i am testing if i can make this card to work?
20:52<looser>in pastebin?
20:52<chaoflow>linux-patch-grsecurity2 (2.6.26.3) in lenny does not fit linux-image-2.6.26.2 in lenny <sigh>
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20:53<sney>looser: upgrading to squeeze *should* fix the problem, why not try that if as you said you don't mind it?
20:53<abrotman>he already has a .30 kernel
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20:53<abrotman>looser: have you checked dmesg for errors?
20:54<looser>http://pastebin.ca/1614002
20:54<looser>none, no errors. http://pastebin.ca/1614002 this is the custom kernel config file. i did enable ath5k and ath9k
20:55<looser>but i cant make this card to work even for a second also!
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20:55<looser>sney, i will try squeeze, and sid also. mmmm this card is pathetic.
20:55<sney>it's actually a good card once it gets working
20:55<sney>very stable connections
20:56<looser>only in windows.
20:56<witte>looser: dmesg
20:56<sney>I can use my eee outside my house and I get 60% signal
20:56<looser>as of now i got no success with linux unless i use ndiswrapper.
20:56<looser>witte, wait up sir! a moment please.
20:57<abrotman>looser: there's really not much of a need to try squeeze or sid
20:57<abrotman>looser: you're already running basically the same kernel that squeeze has
20:59<looser>http://pastebin.ca/1614011 dmesg + lspci -tvnn + lspci -nnvvv + lshw
20:59<sney>also, obligatory idiot check: you're sure you didn't have ath5k blacklisted from a previous install of madwifi, and that the wifi is enabled in the bios?
20:59<looser>aaikes i missed the lsmod :-(
20:59<looser>abrotman, exactly, i got the latest stable, IIRC latest stable is 2.6.31.3
20:59<abrotman>and you're sure the uh .. little wifi button/switch is on ?
21:00<abrotman>some laptops require you to toggle it
21:00<abrotman>#
21:00<abrotman>[ 9.239556] ath5k 0000:01:00.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
21:00<abrotman>#
21:00<abrotman>[ 9.249691] ath5k 0000:01:00.0: setting latency timer to 64
21:00<abrotman>#
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21:00<abrotman>it's right there ..
21:00<adb>sney, i get second drive off 1 T , and made a RAID10 , works fine , thanks for your idea
21:00<looser>its a very dumb HP laptop.
21:00<abrotman>stupid pastebin
21:00<looser>sorry abrotman for getting kicked because of me.
21:01<abrotman>it's already working .. just not configured apparently
21:01<abrotman>looser: ifconfig -a ?
21:01<looser>sney, i got 4 kernel-images, 2.6.26-2-486/686 and 2.6.30-1-486/686
21:01<looser>wait up.
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21:02<sney>2.6.30-1-686 is the one I'm using
21:02<abrotman>there is a -2- available for squeeze
21:03<sney>so there is, and I even have it installed. I must not have restarted yet. heh
21:03<abrotman>awesome!
21:04<looser>http://pastebin.ca/1614017 ifconfig -a
21:04<looser>w/o MAC address.
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21:04<abrotman>looser: have you tried to configure the interface at all ?
21:04<looser>yes i did.
21:04<sney>did you x out the mac address yourself or is it just like that
21:04<looser>iwconfig
21:04<looser>all methods.
21:04<looser>none works.
21:05<looser>sney, i greyed it myself.
21:05<sney>paranoid?
21:05<looser>you know pastebin. this channel is fine. ;-)
21:05<abrotman>tried with an open AP ?
21:05<abrotman>maybe use paste.debian.net ?
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21:05<abrotman>guess it really doesn't matter
21:05<looser>i will try paste.debian.net next time.
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21:06<looser>abrotman, none works.
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21:06<looser>only ndiswrapper.
21:06<looser>and that too sometime it blanks me out.
21:06<abrotman>so you're mixing ath5k and ndiswrapper ?
21:06<looser>not yet. no i am sorry yet to do it.
21:06<looser>one question can i try the kernel of rc?
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21:07<looser>if i have tried almost the latest and freshest stable kernel why does it not work?
21:07<abrotman>i'm not really sure it's a kernel issue
21:07<sney>it's probably not a kernel issue at this point
21:07<chaoflow>Is lenny-backports getting timely security updates?
21:07<looser>then what am i missing?
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21:08<abrotman>magic
21:08<sney>it's established that 2.6.29 and up have full ath5k support, and you're getting an interface and things *seem* to be ok, except that it doesn't associate
21:08<looser>aah! great answer.
21:08<looser>anyone knows how to toggle the on/off switch?
21:08<abrotman>i'd probably remove the ndiswrapper ..
21:08<abrotman>looser: it's your laptop .. it's either a button or a switch .. a physical thing
21:08<looser>i mean is there a way i can use the on of switch, i see its always red.
21:08<looser>its a button.
21:09<abrotman>looser: if you do like `iwlist wlan0 scanning` .. do you see any APs ?
21:09<sney>abrotman: as long as ndiswrapper isn't loaded it shouldn't matter if it's installed
21:09<looser>there is no rfkill button. i hope i got it right.
21:09<sney>those wifi on-off switches are usually a bus disconnect, when it's off it doesn't show in lspci
21:09<looser>wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
21:09<sney>only very rarely do they do something weird like disconnect the antenna
21:09<looser>as i expected its down.
21:09<looser>and i am not able to get it up.
21:10<sney>>_>
21:10<abrotman>oh .. see a doctor
21:10<looser>dead?
21:10<abrotman>nevermind ...
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21:10<abrotman>looser: ifup wlan0 .. says what ?
21:10<looser>Sandbox:/home/looser# ifconfig wlan0 up
21:10<looser>Sandbox:/home/looser# iwlist wlan0 scanning
21:10<looser>wlan0 No scan results
21:10<looser>duhhhh
21:11<abrotman>that doesn't say it can't do it
21:11<abrotman>is your SSID hidden ?
21:11<looser>no
21:11<looser>its not hidden
21:11<abrotman>seems to be scanning just fine .. just not finding anything
21:11<witte>looser: and nothing appeared in dmesg?
21:12<looser>well i dont have a wireless connection, but many of my neighbours got unsecured connection.
21:12<looser>and its almost 7 am so they are sleeping i guess.
21:12<abrotman>go wake them up!
21:12<looser>[ 2562.822662] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
21:12<looser>segfault before with xchat was the previous line.
21:13<looser>abrotman, wish it was as easy as it sounds.
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21:14<witte>looser: tell us what the things are that you tried to do to get it workign
21:15<looser>ndiswrapper before, and subscribe to all the posts which says atheros & atheros w/o ndiswrapper.
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21:16<looser>since march 2008.
21:16<looser>:-d
21:16<witte>looser: do you still have ndiswrapper running?
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21:17<looser>no. old madwifi and madwifi-project said new hal i.e. openhal will work. but really i am waiting eagerly to see something which works.
21:18<owen1>how to write a script that open the terminal and run a command inside? exec xterm <new line> cd test ?
21:18<witte>looser: well, it seems it works, but the configuration is not working
21:20<looser>i got now the plan-b, a friend of mine, her lenovo broke, she gave me her wifi card, 3945abg for windows server 2008 r2 for her dell 1330 xps, but if we break up? she will slam the windows disk and will ask me for the card and i am in deep "*FUCKED UP SHIT!*" if it happens, god forbid shouldn't happen anything like that.
21:20<looser>witte, i guess i will try some more poking around.
21:21<looser>by the way i used the feraga method to install lenny, feraga's usb encrypted with uuid and root encryption method, just root is not encrypted and its not with uuid boot either.
21:22<looser>so could it be the issue with the install mode/method?
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21:22<looser>or should i try bumping again with an install cd and then see if i can try and poke around and see if i can make it to work?
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21:23<looser>because everything seems to install fine, after editing some files here and there, just tor doesnt install. else all works fine.
21:23<witte>what config do you have in /etc/network/interfaces?
21:24<looser>i didnt add it by default to boot up in the rc scripts.
21:24<chaoflow>having a package (linux-patch-grsecurity2) whose only purpose is to fit to another package (linux-source) but doesnt within the stable distribution defeats the whole purpose of having outdated packages in order gain stability
21:24<chaoflow>is there anybody running a grsecurity kernel with lenny?
21:25<delsvr>jMCg, I like the iptables vim plugin. thanks.
21:25<looser>-dpkg paste
21:25<looser>dpkg paste
21:25<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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21:26<looser>http://paste.debian.net/48812/
21:26<looser>i know its complete.
21:26<looser>i need to add a few extra lines to enable it at the time of boot.
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21:26<looser>but i am not able to get this to work anyhow, how good will /etc/network/interface do?
21:27<LinuxTracker[5531]>hello
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21:27<witte>looser: it seems nothing wrong is in it (concerning the wlan)
21:28<witte>looser: I still think you did something wrong and did not yet remove that configuration from your pc.
21:28<witte>or you have to press a button
21:29<looser>is it because i did a debootstrap method to install that my wifi not working? i tried before a cd install, it didnt work back then also about 3-4 months back. is the install method which is causing all trouble?
21:29<witte>looser: it shouldn't make a difference
21:29<looser>witte, i too think the same. just i am not able to figure out whats the difference and where am i making the mistake?
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21:30<looser>the button if i press or not doesnt work.
21:30<looser>i did see they mention in ubuntu if i edit some lines in sysconf it may work, but NO MAGIC.
21:30<owen1>how to open an xterm, run a command and keep it open?
21:31<witte>owen1: command &
21:31<witte>owen1: or i dont understand what you want to do
21:31<sney>I think it's xterm -E
21:31<sney>man xterm would know
21:32<witte>looser: I don't know, and i can't help tonight, it is 3:30, and i need to work tomorrow...
21:32<looser>okay witte.
21:33<looser>i guess. i try a few more methods and a few more kernels. may be. there is always a hope.
21:33<witte>looser: i don't think you need a new kernel, but if you try one, try a backported kernel
21:33<witte>!backports
21:33<dpkg>hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
21:33<witte>bye
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21:34<looser>hmmmm
21:34<owen1>sney: xterm -e 'ls' closes the xtrem after a milisecond
21:35<sney>xterm -e 'ls;bash'
21:36<owen1>sney: works. what is the ;bash do?
21:36<sney>it just runs the shell again after ls
21:36<sney>hacky trick
21:37<looser>fine then. backport and a new kernel. i dont know. what will happen.
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21:43<owen1>sney: how to run another commmand? i tried: xterm -e 'cd silica;ls;bash' & but it runs ls before cd silica..
21:43<abrotman>owen1: (cd silica;ls;bash)
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21:43<abrotman>IIRC
21:44<sney>or maybe with &&
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21:47<owen1>sney: xterm -e 'cd silica && ls;bash' & is doing the same - first the ls
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21:49<sney>put the commands in a script, then exec that
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21:50<owen1>sney: i just did. the same result.
21:50<sney>weird
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21:51<owen1>xterm -e 'cd silica && ls;bash' &
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22:04<sney>no thanks
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22:16<owen1>sney: you were right. it works!
22:16<sney>awesome
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22:21<arw>a good manual to use vde with qemu?
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22:26<icebrain>mplayer is spitting out "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-close.c: 719: _dl_close: Assertion `map->l_init_called' failed!", and google fails to provide good info, what can it be?
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22:27<icebrain>it works fine anyway
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22:39<chaoflow>debian just made up for messed up grsecurity by having a beautiful sane way of installing python packages
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22:52<mom>hi, how do i batch replace a carriage return in a text file with a space?
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22:53<icebrain>sed -i 's/\r/\ /' FILE
22:55<icebrain>mom: backup before, please ^^
22:56<glasserc>Hi! I'm having a weird crash on my other machine and I'm trying to debug. I can reproduce it and the machine locks up hard but doesn't log any messages before going down. Any way I can get console messages over SSH?
22:56<mom>icebrain, cool someone just sent me tr too :)
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22:59<mom>icebrain, didnt work let me try the tr suggestion
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23:00<icebrain>mom: are you sure they're carriage returns, and not newlines?
23:00<abrotman>if so .. use \n instead of \r
23:01*abrotman grumbles about a file that was 'broken' and had \r\r\n
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23:03<mom>actually it may have been word wrap in my text editor so it may have worked . . .
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23:05<mom>im crossing my fingers that the pdftk command now compiles my 350 pages into one pdf
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23:06<abrotman>eh ..
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23:09<mom>abrotman, pdftk 350 pdf page names output book.pdf
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23:10<abrotman>mom: i'm aware of how to use pdftk .. i abuse it for things like that
23:10<abrotman>just not that volume
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23:11<mom>i had the file list with carriage returns so i needed to learn sed or tr :(
23:11<abrotman>did you get it working ?
23:11<mom>i forgot i didnt have pdftk on this machine so im just aptituding it
23:12<mom>ok its running, one day it might stop
23:13<mom>yea it stopped
23:13<abrotman>so it's not working ?
23:13<mom>now its done running, lets see what it produced . . .
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23:27<overddose>anyone alive?
23:28<sney>nobody here but us chickens
23:29<overddose>:P
23:29<overddose>i need help. this is starting to annoy me.
23:29<sney>!ask
23:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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23:31<overddose>im running newest revision of debian, i can connect to the net if im wired, but when i try to set it up as wireless, nothing :P
23:31<sney>what wireless card do you have?
23:31<overddose>realtek 8187. its supported. i saw :P
23:31<overddose>wlan0 shows up as an ethernet device.
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23:32<sney>8187B is a usb device, right? sure you're not hitting the wifi on off switch by accident?
23:32<mib_hb4mgkk2>anyone have experience using squib here?
23:32-!-mib_hb4mgkk2 is now known as kaustic
23:32<sney>!ask
23:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
23:32<overddose>im not.
23:33<overddose>im on a laptop. and the switch is on, light is on everything is right.
23:33<kaustic>I use squib, I have two VPS's running Debian 3.0, I had the admin install squib on them and he says they're setup
23:33<sney>try iwlist wlan0 scanning
23:33<kaustic>now I'm wondering how I can use them with Firefox
23:33<kaustic>and if the are actually working
23:34<kaustic>64.86.69.23 and 68.71.33.85 are the IP's
23:34<kaustic>are these setup for HTTP proxy access so I can surfi with them?
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23:35<overddose>sney, no scan results. how can i fix the wlan0 to show up as a wireless device instead of ethernet ?
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23:35<kaustic>can someone with Squib/Proxy knowledge tell me if these proxies work?
23:36<sney>that doesn't seem like a debian-specific issue, kaustic
23:37<sney>overddose: what do you mean, show up as a wireless device? it's wlan0, that's as wireless as they get
23:38<kaustic>Its in get-apps sometimes
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23:38<kaustic>so squib is soft of a standard debian app
23:38<kaustic>alot of linux gurus know squib
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23:39<drewsaster>hey guys im new to linux, and so far i would say it kicks vistas ass, but what could i do to make it better lol
23:39<overddose>when i look at the connection properties for wlan0 it says its ethernet
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23:39<sney>overddose: do you mean in network-manager?
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23:40<overddose>not network manager
23:40<sney>drewsaster: educate yourself and you can make it stand on its head and dance if you want. Good places to start are wiki.debian.org and www.tldp.org, and just install stuff and try it out
23:41<overddose>sney, if you wouldnt mind taking a look at this for yourself :/ im lost.
23:41<drewsaster>ok, thank u, also could someone point me in the right direction to the cheapest wifi dongle compatable with aircrack-ng??
23:41<sney>heh. no idea, I pay for my internet. :P
23:41<drewsaster>lol, i do to, but not everywhere ;)
23:42<ice2>hello sirs, need your help, i still used etch, and my chat client (kopete) no longer support the yahoo-messenger protocol, any advice?
23:42<sney>overddose: if you want to put something on a paste I'll take a look
23:42<overddose>ok, thanks
23:43<drewsaster>and also u may hate this question, but is it possible to run windows only programs/games on here??
23:43<sney>drewsaster: look up wine
23:43<drewsaster>ok
23:43<drewsaster>under apps add/remove apps??
23:43<sney>ice2: move up to lenny, or try pidgin maybe
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23:43<sney>drewsaster: yes and read about it at www.winehq.org
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23:44<drewsaster>ok
23:45<overddose>sney, http://paste.debian.net/48820/
23:45<ice2>sney: i'm too lazy for upgrading usually upgrades gives more trouble, i've tried to compile pidgin but it requires gtk2 > 2.4.0
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23:46<gsimmons>ice2: Try configuring kopete to use cn.scs.msg.yahoo.com as the default/paging server for the Yahoo protocol.
23:47<sney>overddose: I'm not sure what network monitor you're using so I probably can't help you there - I use wicd personally. But you can iwconfig wlan0 essid && dhclient wlan0 and maybe that will do it
23:48<overddose>too few arguments
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23:49<overddose>also, why does network manager disappear everytime i try to connect wirelessly.
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23:49<ice2>gsimmons: thanks man i'll try that, btw is there any "final" solution since that server might support the old protocol temporarily...
23:49<sney>I never liked network manager personally so I haven't used it much
23:50<overddose>how do i even use or set up wicd :/
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23:50<overddose>i installed the package, but i cant find it
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23:51<sney>it should show up in a menu somewhere, usually under 'network' or you can run it directly through a run dialog
23:52<overddose>i have synaptic open, what should i search for :P
23:52<overddose>when i searched wicd it didnt resolve anything.
23:52<sney>weird, have you done an update lately
23:53<overddose>im not sure.
23:53<overddose>i just
23:53<overddose>loaded this version of debian on here, to learn
23:53<overddose>so i havent really done much on it
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23:54<sney>what does your /etc/apt/sources.list look like
23:55<overddose>what do you want me to check :P
23:55<overddose>nothing is really in there
23:56<sney>are there any http links
23:56<overddose>a few, they arent checked though.
23:56<sney>oh you're looking in synaptic
23:56<sney>I always forget about that thing
23:57<overddose>no, im looking in the software sources
23:57<sney>checking them enables them, right? you want the http links enabled, and you probably want the cdrom link disabled
23:57<gsimmons>ice2: The issue was corrected kopete 4:4.3.1-1, see Debian bug #534229. There is an untested patch against kopete 3.5 referenced in the bug report.
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23:59<overddose>still nothing in synaptic
23:59<sney>can you open a terminal and do sudo apt-get update
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