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---Logopened Fri Oct 16 00:00:28 2009
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00:26<nicone>is there any way to undelete files in /tmp that were there the last time i booted?
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00:42<diguinhu>ola pessoal
00:42<diguinhu>alguem aii
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00:45<arr>some off cheese is broken any idea why?
00:46<arr>some of cheese that is
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00:57<Guest1333>anyone know if its possible to print on a id card with a normal inkjet printer?
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00:58<susila>hi, I ran xkill and then clicked on my desktop. Is there a command to run the desktop again?
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01:02<susila>never mind, problem solved by pointing and clicking.
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01:12<Guest1333>could debian have a older version of gimp?
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01:21<twb>Help me understand this error from "fsck /dev/VGraid/my-snapshot": root primary superblock features different from backup, check forced.
01:22<twb>It's an LVM snapshot of a (mounted, active) ext3 filesystem.
01:23<jm_>I think that's common if you run it on a fs that wasn't cleanly unmounted
01:23<twb>Yeah, I just want to make sure it's the error I'm *supposed* to get.
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01:24<twb>(I'm calling fsck specifically so as to clear the "not cleanly unmounted" bit.)
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01:24<jm_>probably a question for ext3 folks
01:24<twb>Yeah, I dunno where the hide on IRC
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01:25<jm_>how about #kernelnewbies?
01:25<twb>Worth a shot
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01:28<Lillymon>I just booted the graphical installer for the latest Debian testing, and saw it flash back and forth endlessly between graphics and error messages (the errors flashed by too quickly to read anything). What the hell just happened?
01:28<twb>Lillymon: you found a bug in the automatically-generated build image
01:28<twb>s/build/install/
01:29<twb>Lillymon: use the GTK installer for Lenny and then dist-upgrade
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01:29<jm_>either that or X is not starting properly
01:29<Lillymon>I should also mention I tried Debian Etch on this system, and after installing it, X totally failed to start. Load of errors, then terminal.
01:29<twb>jm_: it's fbgtk AFAIK
01:29<jm_>etch is rather old, you'd be better off using lenny
01:30<Lillymon>Well Etch was new at the time.
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01:30<jm_>twb: ahh doh, then your explanation is the right one of course
01:30<Vyrus001>is the smp kernel for 2.6.30-2-686 not in testing or something?
01:30<jm_>Vyrus001: all kernels are SMP for a long time
01:30<Vyrus001>im apt-cache searching for the headers and i dont see anything or smp
01:30<twb>jm_: it could still be dfb misdetecting the DDC modelines from the monitor
01:30<Lillymon>The experience has made me think live CD may be the best way to go. Just so I'm sure Debian and the graphics on this system don't still hate each other.
01:30<Vyrus001>jm_: hm... but i seem to keep getting errors saying i dont have my /usr/src/linux sim link setup correctly and i do
01:30<twb>Lillymon: the boot MEDIUM is irrelevant
01:31<Vyrus001>rly confused... its not just 1 installer thats doing it
01:31<K|NgGh0sT>Everytime I go to use apt-get update I get this... pt-get update 0% [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers]
01:31<jm_>twb: does it even do that? maybe that new vesa fb driver does (uvesa or whatever), the old one doesn't
01:31<twb>Lillymon: you can try booting with "-- fb=false"
01:31<jm_>Vyrus001: what are you trying to do?
01:31<K|NgGh0sT>Any way to diagnose this, doesnt seem to matter what mirror I use
01:31<Vyrus001>jm_: install a few drivers
01:31<Lillymon>twb: It is when my BIOS is this stupid. It only really wants to boot from a hard drive or CD.
01:31<twb>jm_: I don't know. fbgtk uses directfb, which is somehow independent of vesafb
01:31<Vyrus001>nvidia ones to be precise
01:31<jm_>Vyrus001: are you using a debian kernel image?
01:31<Vyrus001>yep
01:32<Vyrus001>ive got kernel headers for my uname, only thing different is the smp tag
01:32<Lillymon>Either way, the graphical installer failing is pretty irrelevant. I take it the non-graphical option is ncurses, which I can handle.
01:32<jm_>Vyrus001: then you need linux-headers-$(uname -r) - note, a while back people using 2.6.30 from backports suffered from this as there seemed to be no kernel headers for it
01:33<Vyrus001>jm_: my kernel headers match my uname version.. but it is a 2.6.30 image
01:33<Vyrus001>maby im missing somthin
01:34<Vyrus001>jm_: nope.. .that exact command shows my headers as alredy installed
01:34<Lillymon>So is a Debian live CD even possible or am I just going to have to jump in not even knowing that X will work?
01:34<twb>Lillymon: there are Debian live CDs.
01:34<jm_>Lillymon: debian live is not the same as debian installer
01:35<twb>Lillymon: #debian-live can tell you about those
01:35<jm_>Vyrus001: ok, which nvidia driver? how are you installing it?
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01:35<Lillymon>I know, I just want a live CD to reassure me, I can install later. I want to see Debian on my system, with X active.
01:35<Vyrus001>jm_: the one i got off there website
01:35<jm_>yeah try debian-live then or any other linux live cd
01:35<twb>Also, Debian works without X
01:36<jm_>Vyrus001: you should do it the debian way, we don't support that here
01:36<Vyrus001>jm_: link to the debian way?
01:36<jm_>!nvidia
01:36<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>.
01:36<jm_>Vyrus001: the wiki link
01:36<Lillymon>twb: It does, but I don't. I do not enjoy the prospect of trying to fix a major system compontent from the command line.
01:36<jm_>Vyrus001: another note - you will need to backport the version from sid for use with 2.6.30 if you're on lenny or testing
01:36<twb>Lillymon: fixing major components like X? ;-)
01:36<Vyrus001>jm_: on testing... squeeze
01:37<jm_>Vyrus001: ok then you should be able to use it from sid I believe
01:37<jm_>without backporting
01:37<Vyrus001>cool... now i just have to get x booted long enough to get the file <_<
01:37<Vyrus001>for some reason the vesa driver freezes the whole system after a min or so
01:37<Vyrus001>no hint at why in the logs
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01:38<twb>It staggers me that people who are technical enough to want Debian, can't do emergency recovery without X
01:39<jm_>Vyrus001: why X?
01:39<Lillymon>I guess I'm going to be fiddling more with my BIOS. It's just staggeringly stupid that I have to disable booting from my primary hard drive to enable booting from USB.
01:39<jm_>install an irc client for tty, get familir with it and join #debian, all you need
01:40<Lillymon>I'm using Irssi right now.
01:40<jm_>yeah too bad we don't have something like sbm for booting from USB :)
01:40<twb>Lillymon: BIOSes are stupid.
01:40<jm_>yeah that tty irc client comment was targeted at Vyrus001
01:40<twb>!sbm
01:40<dpkg>i heard sbm is Smart Boot Manager, or docs on the Debian CD: /install/README.sbm. Uses a floppy to boot a CD or HDD and other options if your computer can't.
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01:40<Bergerac-Fleur>woah, I've got a big problem
01:40<twb>jm_: is that like GPXE, but for non-PXE boot methods?
01:40<Bergerac-Fleur>nvm fixed
01:41<Lillymon>I was hoping I could setup a USB, CD/DVD, HDD lineup. But no, USB is considered a hard drive, and I can only select ONE hard drive...
01:41<Lillymon>It seems the order is always three, and must consist of one FDD, one CD/DVD, and one HDD. No other combination is recognized.
01:42<Lillymon>Bear in mind, this BIOS carries a copyright date of 2007.
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01:42<jm_>twb: hmm I am not familiar with GPXE - SBM drives hardware directly to boot from CD if your BIOS can't
01:43<jm_>Lillymon: impressive
01:43<Lillymon>I'm getting tired again now, I thought I'd at least be in squeeze by now.
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01:45<jm_>just boot from a CD which seems to work and use text installer
01:46<Lillymon>I'm probably going to keep using USB now, no matter how dumb the BIOS is about it. I'm probably going to see how a live CD of Debian Lenny works. If that boots, Squeeze should be no problem. Theoretically, sid should never be a problem, since I'm using Kubuntu Jaunty, which WAS sid less than a year ago.
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01:47<Lillymon>But error messages always make me get cold feet.
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01:52<twb>jm_: GPXE boots from anything and then allows you to boot from network
01:52<twb>For when your NIC doesn't include a PXE ROM
01:54<arr>some of cheese is broken any idea why?
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02:17<reval>hello, I was wondering if there's a way to change the clock speed of a cpu without recompiling the kernel
02:17<reval>right now mine's at 200 and it seems a bit unresponsive since this is just a desktop
02:18<sney>you should be able to adjust CPU speeds in the bios
02:18<reval>What I'm thinking of I know you can adjust when you make a kernel
02:18<sney>cpufreq support is enabled by default in the debian kernel, but it only works on cpus that support software speed changing ... which is pretty much only laptops
02:18<reval>oh.
02:19<reval>how do I get to it?
02:19<sney>aptitude search cpufreq
02:20<reval>thanks =)
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02:22<masspitz>!list
02:22<dpkg>masspitz: VATTENE VIA
02:23<masspitz>scusate sono nuovo
02:23<jm_>actually all modern CPU-s support cpufreq
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02:23<jm_>ok make that 95% of them
02:24<sney>basicaly it's "most should" but many don't
02:24<jm_>they do
02:24<sney>mine doesn't, "AMD Cool'n'Quiet" notwithstanding .
02:24<jm_>that *is* cpufreq stuff
02:26<sney>O
02:26<reval>I guess my question is hard to word
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02:26<sney>I've tried a couple times to get it working. It always complains that cpufreq support doesn't exist.
02:27<jm_>sney: which CPU is it?
02:27<sney>and it was never supported on the older kit I used to use, though I guess that's basically a given on P3 and older
02:27<sney>Athlon 64 4200+
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02:28<jm_>what happens when you load powernow-k8 driver?
02:28<reval>What I want is to find a way to make it change how often it switches processes
02:29<sney>yeah I just found that
02:29<sney>shouldn't that be one of the things it loads by default, along with all the other things it autodetects? oh well
02:29<jm_>reval: CFS has shitloads of tuning knobs if you enable SCHED_DEBUG
02:29<jm_>sney: see /etc/init.d/loadcpufreq
02:30<sney>no such animal. do you mean /etc/init.d/cpufreqd?
02:30<jm_>ok so you don't have cpufrequtils installed ;)
02:31<jm_>I just use ondemand governor, works for me, cpufreqd is user space governor
02:31<sney>amazing that I could have the xfce cpufreq plugin, and cpufreqd, and neither of them pulls cpufrequtils as a dependency
02:32<jm_>that's normal, they don't rely on it to work - they jsut need libcpufreq0 (probably, haven't checked)
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02:33<jm_>yeah they do
02:33<sney>then how the heck did I have them both installed and not cpufrequtils?
02:34<jm_>what do you mean? exactly because of what I just said - they depend on libcpufreq0, not on cpufrequtils
02:34<jm_>you don't really need cpufrequtils to use this
02:34<sney>then what was this about? <jm_> yeah they do
02:34<jm_>that they depend on libcpufreq0
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02:35<sney>ahh, ok. man I need to sleep, I am so off my game tonight
02:35<jm_>I am just lazy typist, sorry about that :)
02:35<jm_>cpufrequtils allow you to get info on/set operation for cpufreq kernel stuff
02:35<jm_>(instead of poking in /sys manually)
02:35<sney>yeah, I think I've done this before. hmm
02:36<jm_>maybe that xfce plugin allows you to do the same things
02:36<jm_>now all you need to do is also load governor modules you want to use, set the defaults with one of several solutions and oyu're set
02:36<sney>I was out of the "scene" so to speak for a couple years, so I remember maybe 3/4 of what I used to be really good at, and a bunch of stuff has changed and all my hardware is newer
02:37<sney>it's like I'm starting over in some ways, and like riding a bike in others. weird experience to say the least.
02:38<Vyrus001>is there a reason i cant just boot into a live cd and run grub-install /dev/sda any more?
02:38<sney>I will say that I had a better understanding of ALSA when you needed to build it yourself and do all the config files manually ;)
02:38<Vyrus001>is there some newway to fix the grub2 mbr?
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02:39<jm_>Vyrus001: the reason is you're doing it wrong
02:39<jm_>!tell Vyrus001 -about fixmbr
02:39*Vyrus001 puts on nub hat
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03:17<McE>hi. i'm installing debian 5 from an usb stick (created from the cdrom image using unetbootin), booting works, but now i keep getting asked about mounting a cdrom... any help?
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03:20<Vyrus001>jm_: so the sid pack i need is the sid version of the nvidia-kernel-package yes
03:20<Vyrus001>?
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03:27<jm_>Vyrus001: you'll probabnly want nvidia-kernel-source
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03:31<Bergerac-Fleur>McE, is it cdrom not found?
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03:32<Bergerac-Fleur>try removing the fromhd or fromiso boot options
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03:40<Vyrus001>jm_: got it all working the debian way... had to rol nvid k src and glx from sid but it all worked with gl support
03:40<Vyrus001>thnx
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03:41<jm_>Vyrus001: right
03:42<twb>!abbreviations
03:42<twb>Bah, dpkg is less ornery than me.
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03:49<ghostkernel>i need some help running limewire pro ,ive correctly installed jre run time 6.12 and i still get this error
03:49<ghostkernel>Loading LimeWire:
03:49<ghostkernel>java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: Can't load library: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/i386/xawt/libmawt.so
03:49<ghostkernel> at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadLibrary(ClassLoader.java:1666)
03:49<ghostkernel> at java.lang.Runtime.load0(Runtime.java:787)
03:49<ghostkernel> at java.lang.System.load(System.java:1022)
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03:49<ghostkernel> at org.limewire.ui.swing.Main.main(Main.java:28)
03:49<ghostkernel>******************************************************************
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03:51<ghostkernel>im having trouble running limwire pro on my machine ,ive installed the neccessary dependacies and jre run time 6.12.0
03:51<ghostkernel>any ideas what it can be?
03:52<ghostkernel>this is what caught my attention Can't load library: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/i386/xawt/libmawt.so
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03:54<jm_>ghostkernel: do you have that file?
03:54<ghostkernel>yes
03:54<ghostkernel>thats was really confusing
03:54<jm_>what does file say for it?
03:54<ghostkernel>hold on let me open the directory
03:56<ghostkernel>ok that was strange now i dont have it
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03:57<ghostkernel>i have all the directoris up to /i386/
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03:59<jm_>so it's looking in the wrong dir
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04:00<ghostkernel>yes
04:00<ghostkernel>i guess
04:00<ghostkernel>let me look for the file and see if i can change the dir on the source
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04:00<twb>Limewire doesn't work with any of the FOSS JVMs?
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04:02<twb>Oh, OPENjdk. The 6.x made it sounds like Sun's Java. Carry on.
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04:03<twb>ghostkernel: what does uname -m say?
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04:04<ghostkernel>is my architecture the problem?
04:04<twb>And openjdk-6-jre is installed?
04:04<ghostkernel>i had it installed eralier and it wouldnt work anyways,but no i do not have on right now
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04:05<twb>The error indicated it was trying to access a file provided by that package.
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04:06<ghostkernel>it actually had created a different directory for the specified file that it was asking,so i tried to create the missing folder and move the misplace file in the created folder ansd still no luck
04:07<twb>Trying to just move files around will make matters worse.
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04:07<twb>ghostkernel: what does "readlink /etc/alternatives/java" print?
04:07<McE>bergerac - sorry I was disconnected
04:07<ghostkernel>guys!!! nevermind problems solved
04:08<ghostkernel>i dont even know what the hell i did but still thank you alot twb,jm_ help was truly appreciated
04:08*twb sighs
04:08<ghostkernel>have a good one guys im going to sleep im tired lol
04:09<McE>I cannot mount the usb stick - mount: mounting /dev/sdb1 on /mnt failed: invalid argument
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04:09<twb>McE: are you in a rescue mode?
04:09<twb>McE: busybox mount REQUIRES -t ext3
04:10<McE>twb - I'm installing debian 5 from a usb stick, booting works, but it will ask "detect and mount cd-rom" which doesn't work (should it?) - so I try to mount the usb stick manually which fails
04:10<twb>McE: you've put the wrong thing on the USB key, I think.
04:10<McE>twb - oh, thanks, this means vfat doesnt work for usb install?
04:11<twb>hd-media installer needs you to include an .iso on the key
04:11<twb>netboot installer doesn't, it just needs the kernel and ramdisk, and a bootloader to load them
04:11<jm_>McE: installation explains how to prepare USB for debian installtion, and more importantly, which image touse
04:12<McE>twb - netboot doesnt work since my darn wlan router dns-server doesnt work
04:12<jm_>installation manual that is
04:12<McE>jm_, I was using unetbootin to put the std. iso image on my stick - is this worng?
04:12<twb>McE: fix your router's DHCP server to supply a different name-server attribute in its DHCPACKs, then.
04:13<twb>unetbootin is for little girls
04:13<jm_>McE: not for the booting part, but that one will want ISO
04:13<twb>And chartered accountants and other weaklings
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04:13<twb>Real Men use dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/netinst or so
04:13<McE>twb - okokok :-) I wasn't using linux the last 5 years, but I started out in 1995, so dont call me a little girl :-)) - i was just curious to see "what happened while I was down" - if unetbootin is evil, how should I know :)
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04:14<twb>unetbootin is evil because it tries to be nice to users
04:14<twb>It's like putting sugar in your coffee
04:15<McE>twb, yeah, sorry, I like sugar, and milk! and some whiskey X-)
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04:15<twb>Well, anyways, it's failing because the ramdisk you have on the USB key requires you to ALSO have an .iso on the key, in its root directory.
04:15<McE>twb- ok, 1st thing: I'll re-read the install howto. 2nd thing: I don't have a linux box running right now so I need something to create ext2 on my usb stick - will the how2 help?
04:16<twb>You don't need to use ext2 -- FAT16 will work fine.
04:16<twb>!install guide
04:16<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
04:16<twb>That has some appendices on various install media
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04:17<McE>twb - ok, ill give it a try. Thanks for now in anycase :) stay around here usually?
04:18<twb>I'm gonna go home in a minute.
04:19<McE>ok, bye then. btw
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05:24<Georg_>hi
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05:24<Georg_>so, I was trying to download debian... but can't really figure out what I need to download at http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable
05:24<Georg_>can anybody help me ?
05:25<Georg_>whats the diffrence between these "[alpha][amd64][arm][armel][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc][s390][source][multi-arch]" ?
05:25<oki>p
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05:29<Georg_>hello?
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05:30<Kvant>Georg_, they are for different processor architectures
05:30<Georg_>well I got intel x86
05:30<Georg_>so i386 for me rite ?
05:30<Kvant>that'll be i386
05:30<Kvant>yep
05:30<Georg_>tought so
05:30<Georg_>ty
05:30<Georg_>but does it matter which cd I download from here ? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/?C=M;O=A
05:31<Kvant>yeah, you need cd 1 or the netinst cd for installation
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05:32<Georg_>so
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05:32<Georg_>debian-update-5.0.3-i386-CD-1.iso works for the deal rite ?
05:32<Kvant>(not update-cd-1)
05:32<Georg_>darn !
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05:35<Georg_>so debian-503-i386-netinst.iso for install and then ?
05:35<Kvant>yeah, if you have net access during installation
05:35<Georg_>i do
05:35<Kvant>dl it, burn it, boot it :)
05:36<Georg_>so small
05:36<Georg_>can you show me gui pics ?
05:36<Kvant>it dls stuff directly from the net during inst
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05:44<Electron>hello
05:44<Georg_>hi
05:44<Electron>i have a problem with debian
05:44<Electron>would you help me?)
05:44<Georg_>i'm noob sorry
05:44<Georg_>D:
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05:44<Electron>=)
05:45<jm_>!ask
05:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
05:46<Electron>I have a problem with aptitude; I'm running on debian 5.0. When I try to install package with aptitude (GUI) I get the output "FATAL -> Failed to fork"
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05:47<Electron>This problem is staying with debian 6
05:48<Nemoder>how much memory does your system have?
05:48<Electron>100mb
05:48<Nemoder>that might not be enough
05:49<Electron>But in non ncurses interface i was installed normal
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05:49<Electron>example htop
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05:50<Electron>command "aptitude install htop" is working
05:50<jm_>well the gui version needs more memory
05:52<jm_>100MB is not enough even for Debian Lenny, so you are not meeting the recommended minimum
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05:53<Electron>thx for answers
05:54<Electron>Lenny is still last stable version?
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05:54<jm_>yes
05:54<Electron>thx for all
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05:55<jm_>no worries
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05:56<McE>hi
05:57<McE>i just successfuly installed deb5 from hd-media. NW config fails, since dhcp is not recognized - however this worked with a recent knoppix. Where can I get help on reinstalling network under debian?
05:58<McE>do I have to vi /etc/interfaces or is there a gui helper?
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06:00<Nemoder>gnome's network manager should work if you have a full desktop install
06:00<jm_>McE: I don't know of one short of etherconf (not in lenny anymore)
06:00<jm_>yeah NM can also do it if you want that crap
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06:01<McE>jm - I don't really want something on X, just to re-run the same terminal-based thingy I'd seen during installation...
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06:01<Nemoder>never hurts to read the docs though, 'man interfaces' for some examples
06:01<McE>i just stumbled across iwlist and iwconfig
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06:02<McE>nemoder, yep man interfaces is clear (so is ifconfig etc); which thingy is run during the initial configuration, and is it possible to re-run this?
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06:02<themill>no
06:04<McE>does the "wifi-radar" thing make any sense?
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06:05<McE>I mean - under knoppix evering works fine just entering the ssid & stuff - can't I do the same thing in "real" debian?
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06:07<peej>mce, if you're going to go command line, you really need to read the docs. The basic principle is use iwlist to scan, iwconfig to configure. interfaces file to keep the configured stuff
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06:09<McE>peej, ok, I'm not worried to read the docs, I'll do. It's just - I wasn't using deb for soooo long, i'm kind of outdated on the "up-to-date-way-to-do-things". My NAG is from the 90s :-). I'll read thru iwlist & iwfg dox. THanks.
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06:14<K0JIbKA1>Hello!
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06:19<costash>Again, I have installed exim4 to handle internal e-mail. The SMTP seems to be working. When I try to retrieve e-mail from a client, I get the following error message from geximon: "rejected RCPT, relay not permitted.". On the client I get the error: "550 relay not permitted.". I think it is the POP3 server that has the problem. Could anybody help with this?
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06:22<jm_>costash: this makes no sense - retrieve e-mail means what?
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06:25<McE>peej, hmm i read through iwlist (i found my hub), i read through iwconfig, I can't set my passphrase though using s:(passphrase); how does the installer do it? manpage says "passphrase not supported" (?)
06:25<costash>jm_: I send an e-mail with Outlook. It gets delivered to the linux server. When I try to retrieve it, I get the errors.
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06:26<gsimmons>McE: Are you attempting to connect to a WPA-encrypted network?
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06:27<[Elvis]>hej guys, I have a question...I have 2 identical servers..and I wanna do some sort of replication
06:27<[Elvis]>to make an exact mirror of the data on them
06:27<[Elvis]>from 1 to the other...is this somehow possible with debian
06:27<McE>gsimmons, yep, wpa1
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06:28<gsimmons>dpkg: tell McE -about wpa
06:28<McE>(wpa version 1, authentication suites: tkip
06:28<gsimmons>McE: Short answer: iwconfig isn't used for this.
06:28<peej>mce: more stuff to read ;) - basically, you set that in /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
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06:29<McE>gsimmons, peej: thanks A LOT! I didn't really find this - stupid.
06:29<costash>jm_: Actually when i test the SMTP using telnet I get the error:rcpt to: root@trainingcenter.edu.gr
06:29<costash>550 relay not permitted
06:29<slush>[Elvis]: drbd
06:30<[Elvis]>slush.. what is drbd?
06:30<slush>RAID 1 over tcp/ip
06:30<peej>elvis: depends what you want. drbd is like raid for servers.
06:30<McE>btw, why debian-installer doesn't support WPA? Cause it's supposed to be not safe[tm]?
06:31<gsimmons>McE: Not yet implemented. Some experimental support provided on the debian-boot mailing list made its way into the kmuto installer.
06:31<[Elvis]>peej if possible I would like to see every writing action to the harddisk mirrored to another hardidsk in another machine
06:31<McE>gsimmons, this means if i'm looking for a christmas project I can help there :)
06:31<[Elvis]>to always have 2 exact copies of eachother
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06:32<peej>elvis, without excluding stuff?
06:32<[Elvis]>you mean excluding certain writing actions?
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06:33<[Elvis]>like for example only the /home dir
06:33<jm_>costash: ok so that's because your configuration doesn't allow to use this MTA as a mail relay
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06:36<[Elvis]>so peej I guess that's possible then
06:37<peej>elvis, I don't know
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06:38<peej>sorry, let me clarify. I don't know if you can sync stuff and exclude stuff at the same time with drbd.
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06:40<mhash>you can't exclude stuff sitting on a partition.. it's block level replicaton across the network. However, you can choose which partitions or underlying store device to replicate
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06:42<mhash>for example, if your home folder is sitting on a separate partition / lv, etc, you can choose to simply replicate that -- on a two node drbd cluster with drbd8, you can also mount the drbd device in write mode (on both systems)
06:43<jm_>mhash: linux has no folders on fs!
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06:44<mhash>jm_ heh, true
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06:48<peej>ok. the alternative seems to be regular rsyncing.
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06:52<Shadow64>hey all
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06:53<perk>where can i get the previous package for an arbitrary package? are they archived somewhere?
06:53<jm_>!sdn
06:53<dpkg>from memory, snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. unmaintained since May 2008
06:53<jm_>if it still works
06:53<perk>ah, i looked at archive.d.o.
06:53<Shadow64>I have a question, I have a IBM 8363 thin client that uses compact flash cards to boot and is tricky to boot up (requires special kernel)
06:53<perk>ty
06:53<jm_>that's for releases
06:53<perk>yeah
06:53<perk>i noticed
06:54<Shadow64>I was wondering if I could install debian on a old system of mine, compile the special kernel and such then clone it to a cf card
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06:55<perk>Shadow64, what about http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel
06:56<Shadow64>the thing is
06:56<Shadow64>this thin client does not have cd rom
06:56<perk>then use a usb-stick
06:56<perk>or netboot?
06:57<Shadow64>the IDE (hda) is a cf card device
06:57<perk>jm_, snapshots.d.n seems to point to archive.undebian.org... Debian Unofficial archive
06:57<Shadow64>can't boot from USB. the thin client doesn't use a bios, it uses a special firmware like the mac uses, but it emulates a bios
06:57<perk>Shadow64, you could use debootstrap to prepare the cf card, boot it then do debootstrap second stage
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06:59<Shadow64>also, this thin client doesn't have a real time clock so I'll need to run ntpdate to keep it in sync
06:59<Shadow64>debootstrap? what's that?
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07:00<Shadow64>it has a 233mhz CPU, 96mb ram and just heatsinks for cooling
07:01<Shadow64>I thought I'd install debian for some fun ;)
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07:03<Shadow64>sorry
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07:04<Shadow64>iPhone went to sleep and dropped the connection
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07:05<Shadow64>so, what comes first? initrd or the kernel in terms of loading?
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07:06<Marky>Hello.
07:06<Marky>I have a question re Kerberos and time sync. Could anyone help?
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07:07<adb>Shadow64, kernel
07:07<Lethalman_>Shadow64, the kernel of course
07:07<Marky>Our host server is running on UTC and not local time. If I change this to obtain the correct local time, what happens to the tickets obtained and/or wanted post change?
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07:08<Shadow64>adb: right. thanks for that. what's debbootstrap?
07:09<adb>!debootstrap
07:09<dpkg>debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a UNIX/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap
07:09<Shadow64>Marky: define tickets
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07:09<Marky>Kerberos tickets to authenticate with.
07:09<mhash>Marky, I am guessing the tickets will remain valid, however, renewal may complain about time skew against the KDC (I am not sure however)
07:09<Marky>That is what I am thinking.
07:10<Marky>But how to resolve the complaint?
07:10<bucko_>Hey guys! My KDE lists local hard drive partitions mounted to /disks/mediaN in "Storage Media" (media:/) and presumably consequently wakes all 11 drives out of power saving when I eject a CDROM. How can I stop this behaviour?
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07:10<Marky>Restart the Kerberos service post time change?
07:10<Shadow64>so, would I get a very minimal debian that would need apt to be installed?
07:10<bucko_>(I want the CDROM autorun functionality; I don't want the drives to wake up on visit to media:/ or CDROM eject/insert)
07:10<Lethalman_>Shadow64, no apt is being installed in the minimal system
07:11<mhash>Marky, might be safest... or try it in a controlled environment before doing so in production
07:11<Marky>Control isn't possible. No spare resources available :-(
07:11<bucko_>(If you know a better place to go, that'd also be helpful.)
07:11<Shadow64>so how world I do about adding apt and such?
07:11<Lethalman_>Shadow64, I don't understand you
07:12<Lethalman_>apt is already installed in that system
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07:12<zumbi>Shadow64: why do not just try it?!
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07:13<Shadow64>I will
07:13<adb>on laptop, ventilator spin every x (< 1) minutes , system is idle 98% , hard drive it is non active (system run all in ram) , but amd processor ;-( where i may look for resolve that ?
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07:14<Shadow64>I'll try it tomorrow, I don't have a spare cf card on me (only the 32mb that came with the client)
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07:16<Shadow64>hm, looks like I'll need to setup gcc and everything to compile the custom kernel. thanks again all, good night
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07:17<zumbi>Shadow64: good night, if it is an embedded device, maybe you want to have a look to emdebian.org
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07:17<Shadow64>gag
07:18<Shadow64>gah*
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07:18<Shadow64>silly iPhone won't sign me off
07:18<Shadow64>laters again all.
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08:19<[Elvis]>hej guys
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08:19<[Elvis]>is it possible to find out if I have 1600 or 2100 ddr memory in box?
08:19<[Elvis]>via debian?
08:20<kooll>you could use hwinfo to find out various info about the ddr
08:20<kooll>might gives you the model number, then you can look for that on the web
08:21<petemc>or possibly dmidecode
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08:24<jm_>ddr 2100? that's be mighty impressive
08:25<jm_>you probably mean PC-2100
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08:33<peej>maximum cpu internal temperature 127 deg Celsius? Must be Dell.
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09:00<maks>what is the working java plugin for lenny
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09:01<maks>in sid i have icedtea6-plugin, but i don't see this one in lenny
09:01<maks>sun-java6-plugin
09:02<maks>only it seems to fail on netbanking app test
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09:10<themill>maks: make sure you're actually using sun-java6-plugin though.
09:10<themill>!update-java-alternatives
09:10<dpkg>Rather than using update-alternatives (or galternatives) to set each individual alternative for java (and there are lots of them!), use update-java-alternatives. To see a list of the valid java alternatives, use "update-java-alternatives --list". To select the sun-java6 java runtime environment, "update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun".
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09:11<jm_>heh
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09:14<maks>thanks themill
09:14<maks>was actually pointing to java-gcj
09:14<jm_>about:plugins shall tell you what you're using
09:14<maks>so solved :)
09:14<maks>jm_: :)
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09:20<jm_>wow impressive, first time in ages iceweasel doesn't dump 600M+ core file when I quit it
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09:26<bgat>I just did an update to squeeze:
09:26<bgat>"Can't locate English.pm..."
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09:28<bgat>anyone have any ideas how to fix?
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09:37<bgat>Can't locate English.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0...) at /usr/bin/rm line 105.
09:37<bgat>error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libperl5.10_5.10.1-5_amd64.deb
09:38<bgat>is anyone else seeing this?
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09:39<bgat>ls -l /usr/share/perl/5.10.1/English.pm
09:39<bgat>... root root 4488 2009-10-1 03:23 /usr/share/perl/5.10.1/English.pm
09:40<bgat>hmmm
09:40<zumbi>bgat: not in unstable
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09:40<bgat>ls -l /usr/share/perl
09:40<bgat>5.10 -> 5.10.0
09:40<bgat>5.10
09:41<bgat>5.10.0
09:41<bgat>5.10.1
09:41<bgat>English is under 5.10.1, but /usr/share/perl/5.10 is symlinked to 5.10.0, which has no English.pm
09:42<zumbi>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 13 oct 09:37 5.10 -> 5.10.1
09:42<bgat>zumbi: I don't understand what you are saying
09:42<zumbi>drwxr-xr-x 53 root root 4096 13 oct 09:37 5.10.1
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09:42<zumbi>bgat: i am running unstable, i do not see your problem there
09:42<bgat>aah
09:42<bgat>ok
09:42<bgat>I wonder what I will f$ck up if I just manually change that symlink?
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09:43<zumbi>not much probably you fix it
09:44<bgat>hmmmm. I just noticed that my /usr/bin/rm is symlinked to 'safe-rm'
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09:44<bgat>... which is a perl script text executable
09:44<zumbi> file /usr/bin/rm
09:44<zumbi>/usr/bin/rm: ERROR: cannot open `/usr/bin/rm' (No such file or directory)
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09:45<ifvoid>/bin/rm
09:45<zumbi>$ file /bin/rm
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09:46<bgat>so if one has safe-rm installed, there is a /usr/bin/rm that symlinks to that; during a perl upgrade, safe-rm is briefly unavailable
09:46<bgat>yes, I have a /bin/rm
09:46<bgat>but /usr/bin is earlier than /bin in my $PATH
09:47<bgat>so the root cause of my problem here is that safe-rm is broken during perl updates
09:48<bgat>export PATH=/bin:$PATH
09:48<bgat>... "fixes" the problem
09:48<bgat>... long enough for the perl update to complete itself
09:50<peej>safe-rm presumably is rm -i. Surely that is not a debian default?
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09:51<bgat>peej: no, it's a tweak applied by the safe-rm package
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09:52<bgat>"safe-rm prevents the accidental deletion of importnat files by replacing rm with a wrapper which cheks the given arguments against a configurable blacklist of files and directories which should never be removed."
09:52<bgat>it's a lifesaver for us ADHD guys. :)
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09:53<themill>!dbugs 550938
09:54<dpkg>DONE:#550938:G[safe-rm] safe-rm should not fail during a perl upgrade (moreinfo); Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:21:02 UTC [550946]
09:55*bgat considers uninstalling safe-rm
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09:59<Padrick>Hi, I am trying to setup a debian repository at work. I have the binary-amd64 part working. It just the binary-all that does not work. The clients do not download the binary-all_Package list. I am bit stumped on this one :(.
09:59<magnetic_>hey guys, since I upgraded kvm to kvm-85 I'm unable to boot Ubuntu Hardy machines, it hangs in "Starting up...". Any hint?
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09:59<amunoz>mnj n m ghkhuyfhfn
10:00<Titan8990>!ubuntu
10:00<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
10:00<zumbi>!mirror
10:00<dpkg>methinks debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>.
10:00<Titan8990>magnetic_, move to #ubuntu on freenode
10:00<amunoz>aobjh
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10:00<themill>amunoz: do you have a debian user question we can help you with?
10:00<amunoz>çhola
10:00<magnetic_>Titan8990: My host is debian not ubuntu
10:00<themill>!es
10:00<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:01<themill>amunoz: /join #debian-es
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10:03<magnetic_>Titan8990: since my host is debian, and before upgrading to kvm-85 everything worked ok, I dont see why I should move to #ubuntu, it looks like a regression in debian not in ubuntu
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10:04<Titan8990>judd, versions kvm
10:04<judd>Titan8990: kvm -- etch-backports: 28-4~bpo.1 lenny: 72+dfsg-5~lenny1 lenny-security: 72+dfsg-5~lenny3 squeeze: 72+dfsg-5 lenny-backports: 85+dfsg-4~bpo50+1 sid: 85+dfsg-4.1
10:04<Titan8990>from backports or sid?
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10:04<magnetic_>85+dfsg-4.1
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10:05<magnetic_>obviosuly sid
10:05<Hideo>check the bug reports
10:05<Hideo>kvm in sid has issues
10:06<Titan8990>lol everything is sid as issues
10:06<Titan8990>s/is/in
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10:06<Hideo>say it aint so
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10:07<themill>welcome to sid?
10:07<magnetic_>I've been in sid for almost 7 years :)
10:07<magnetic_>and I havent had many issues
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10:08<Hideo>should know to check bug reports by now >=)
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10:08<Titan8990>magnetic_, you have been very lucky
10:08<magnetic_>Hideo: I did, but it seems I missed it, I'm double checking :)
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10:09<magnetic_>Titan8990: i consider it pretty stable :P
10:09<Hideo>if it aint there, file one, I know kvm in sid has issues w/ booting windows
10:09<magnetic_>Hideo: i have had issues with windows but they are easy to workaround
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10:09<magnetic_>Hideo: this stuff is new
10:09<mjt>magnetic_: which issues in windows?
10:10<amunoz>mnjbbhvc vhvgvbbfgnkh
10:11<themill>amunoz: Por favor: /join #debian-es
10:11<zumbi>amunoz: no seas niño
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10:12<Padrick>From the debian repository I have looked at none of them have the binary-all tree.
10:12<magnetic_>mjt: i had some issues in the past with the no-acpi thing, but maybe it was virt-manager's fault and not kvm, i can't remember now
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10:12<mjt>magnetic_: the no-acpi win2k workaround isn't needed since about kvm-76
10:13<themill>magnetic_: [15:12] <dutchfish> themill, yep, its solved in 2.6.32-rc4 and 5 it was a kernel issue [on the host]
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10:13<mjt>magnetic_: but in virt-manager you have to explicitly enable acpi
10:13<overflow>I can I work inside a amd64 jail on a i686 debian ?
10:13<overflow>*can I work inside a amd64 jail on a i686 debian ?
10:13<mjt>themill: what it is?
10:14<mjt>overflow: provided the host kernel is actually amd64
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10:15<overflow>mjt: can I use a amd64 kernel on a 32bit system?
10:15<mjt>sure
10:15<mjt>if youre processor supports it
10:15<magnetic_>mjt: i said *in the past*, and the bug was that even selecting in virt-manager "win2k" when creating the new machine it didnt work. But as i said, that was in the past and easy to workaround
10:15<peej>I'm running su - peej -c "startx & exit" in /etc/rc.local and have set: allowed_users=anybody in Xwrapper.config - this is all to skip xdm and launch a window manager. It runs. But my keyboard autorepeat doesn't kick in at all now.
10:15<overflow>mjt: my processor is 64bit
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10:16<mjt>f.e. linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-amd64
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10:16<mjt>judd versions linux-image-amd64
10:16<judd>mjt: linux-image-amd64 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 sid: 2.6.30+21 squeeze: 2.6.30+21
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10:19<peej>I'm running su - peej -c "startx & exit" in /etc/rc.local and have set: allowed_users=anybody in Xwrapper.config - this is all to skip xdm and launch a window manager. It runs. But my keyboard autorepeat doesn't kick in at all now. kbdrate doesn't change this. Clues?
10:20<zumbi>ctcp version
10:20<zumbi>err
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10:36<CyberWolf>hi
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10:42<ese>hi, pals. I am having a problem with swap partition of not being automatically mounted.
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10:43<K0JIbKA1>hello
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10:43<CGI566>why cron is named cron?
10:44<azeem>CGI566: check wikipedia
10:44<azeem>maybe it's explained there
10:45<zumbi>CGI566: i'd like to guess it has something to do with cronos (time in latin)
10:45<CGI566>umm
10:46<git-hi9h>anyone know what key(s) to press to start the keyboard mouse with gnome accessibility?
10:46<icebrain>CGI566: according to wiki: 'cron' is short for Chronograph.
10:47<CGI566>thx
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10:47<zumbi>!thx
10:47<dpkg>THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks"
10:48<ese>any help plz how i could turn on swap to start during boot time
10:48<icebrain>git-hi9h: http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/stable/gok.html.en
10:49<zumbi>ese: man swapon or maybe you just need to add it to /etc/fstabe
10:49<zumbi>s,fstabe,fstab
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10:49<icebrain>git-hi9h: sorry, that is the mouse controlled keyboard :|
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10:52<git-hi9h>yea, i turned on accessibility, but now howto start the keyboard mouse, i cant find anything - i would imagine you would use the numeric keypad
10:53<icebrain>git-hi9h: http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/stable/dtconfig-mousekeys.html.en
10:53<ese>zumbi: thankyou. But how do i find the swap UUID and edit that to boot automatically.
10:53<git-hi9h>hey it worked - i just neede to re-login
10:53<icebrain>git-hi9h: this is the right one :D
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10:53<git-hi9h>thankx alot
10:54<icebrain>np
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10:55<git-hi9h>my mouse stops working on the linux host after starting virtualbox for some reason - since i setup my usb printer - it works but now my mouse dies
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10:56<kop>ese: You can use "file -s" on the swap device to find the uuid.
10:56<zumbi>ese: i do not understand you exactly, but maybe fdisk -l /dev/sda will tell you you have the swap under /dev/sda5, then you need an entry to /etc/fstab, which says: /dev/sda5 none swap sw 0 0
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10:57<zumbi>ese: my UUID for swap is lots of zeros
10:58<kop>zumbi: Mine too. But if I cared I could turn off that swap partition and re-run mkswap.
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10:58<ese>zumbi: yes well what i wanted is that to add the swap by its UUID and make it auto mount during boot time.
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11:07<ese>Zumbi: kop and zumbi, thankyou for your help. I got the command that lists by UUID and by label as well as by id. Its "ls -l /dev/disk/*". It is much helpful.
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11:29<Zathraz>I am playing around with Samba & openLdap. According to an Ubuntu (I am using Debian Lenny) Howto I should install a package called "auth-client-config". There seems to be no such thing in Lenny? Or is it called something else?
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11:32<ahmed73>salve
11:33<ahmed73>ho un piccoloproblema
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11:39<cahoot>!it
11:39<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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11:48<juliana>hola
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12:05<McE>hi - getting troubles of installing wifi, iwlist scan says: wlan0 - network is down. any help?
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12:06<notrev>McE, try # ifconfig wlan0 up
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12:07<McE>notrev- thanks, helped.
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12:17<Woet>Has someone ever managed to get nginx to use memcached?
12:19<Woet>whenever I use it all the files get a 404
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12:34<egamonal>hi, I have amarok2 with gnome and the font looks awfull
12:34<egamonal>I tried to configure QT4 settings but it ignores everything related to fonts
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12:34<egamonal>there is no solution on google
12:34<egamonal>does anyone have a hint?
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12:35<dr|z3d>egamonal: vnc?
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12:35<egamonal>dr|z3d, are you serious?
12:36<jhg>Where is the best place to request help?
12:36<dr|z3d>egamonal: Sorry, I should have asked a better question. Are you using vnc? Because that's known to screw fonts. Otherwise, 1 second..
12:36<egamonal>haha ok :P
12:36<dr|z3d>jhg: Depends on the question..
12:36<egamonal>no, i'm not using vnc
12:36<dr|z3d>Ok, 1 sec.
12:37<jhg>dr|z3d: I've installed debian on a computer and the drivers for graphics aren't working properly
12:37<dr|z3d>jhg: What adapter/chipset?
12:37<jhg>http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Barebone/Products_Spec.aspx?ProductID=2016
12:37<jhg>Intel® 845GV / ICH4 chipsets
12:37<jhg>I can change tty's and then the monitor works
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12:37<jhg>but I can't boot into a desktop interface
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12:39<jhg>dr|z3d: I think its drivers but I've no idea :P
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12:39<dr|z3d>egamonal: Can't find the tool offhand, but there _is_ a tool to configure QT apps in Gnome.
12:39<dr|z3d>That's a good place to start.
12:39<egamonal>yes, i'm using it
12:39<dr|z3d>Gnome/Gtk
12:39<dr|z3d>Oh? And no joy?
12:39<egamonal>no joy :(
12:39<egamonal>what's more, it looks like it's a known bug
12:39<dr|z3d>egamonal: Another quesetion. Got sub-pixel antialiasing switched on in Gnome?
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12:40<egamonal>let me check it
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12:40<egamonal>no subpixel AA
12:40<dr|z3d>Try enabling it.
12:40<egamonal>it's "best shape AA"
12:41<egamonal>ok
12:41<egamonal>the playlist is being shown in the correct font
12:41<egamonal>not the whole amarok ^^'
12:42<dr|z3d>Ok, so that's an improvement?
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12:42<egamonal>I hope so, but I didn't have a playlist before
12:43<egamonal>damn, and the sound isn't working, either
12:43<egamonal>i think it stopped working yesterday
12:44<egamonal>but gmail chat makes a noise when someone talks to me and i can hear it
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12:45<jhg>HI I am trying to install debian lenny onto a Gigabyte Mini PC (http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Barebone/Products_Spec.aspx?ProductID=2016) The installer works fine but the system is unable to boot into a graphical desktop. I get a black screen but can switch tty and the console works.
12:46<dr|z3d>egamonal: Another possible.. try exaile.. it's feature equivalent to amarok +-, and it's gtk-based.
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12:47<egamonal>i'll try it, but the sound doesn't work even with Songbird :(
12:47<egamonal>too much trouble today
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13:00<marcowitsch>Hi, I've problems getting connected with zte mf636 USB modem. I used usb_modeswitch to switch to modem-mode. The devices /dev/ttyUSB[012] are enabled and the modem is found under /dev/ttyUSB1 (!?). Now I tried to connect via umtsmon, gnome PPP and wvdial but no success.
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13:26<tHW>Hello
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13:27<tHW>I don't know if this is the right channel but I have a problem
13:27<tHW>Can I get some help
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13:29<No1>tHW, ask it and some1 will try :)
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13:30<tHW>I need a grafitti font for sidux for a GIMP tutorial how do I install one?
13:30<tHW>apt-cache search font
13:30<tHW>?
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13:31<tHW>For being 385 the reply speed is very low
13:31<nicaise974>salut
13:31<tHW>Hola!
13:31<comboz0r>que tal
13:32<comboz0r>quieres instalar fuentes?
13:32<chealer>tHW: wrong channel, this is for Debian support
13:32<nicaise974>habla francia
13:32<tHW>Sidux is Debian in some way I've heard
13:32<chealer>!tell nicaise974 about fr
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13:33<tHW>LoL wut?
13:33<tHW>!tell chealer about fr
13:34<tHW>Nothing happned
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13:36<No1>if he looked there is a channel called #sidux
13:37<No1>:(
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13:54<bja>icebrain: Things are working fine with the wifi now, i had a commit missing at the end, it seems broadcom needs that little part
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13:55<bja>icebrain: thx for the advice on wicd
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14:14<EmleyMoor>Is there a way I can make a multiarch USB stick supporting at least i386 and amd64?
14:16<Lethalman>EmleyMoor, just do it i386, amd64 can run i386
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14:18<EmleyMoor>Lethalman: Hmmm... maybe
14:18<EmleyMoor>Just puzzled really as to how multiarch CDs work
14:19<Guest1388>hi i got an issue with pulseaudio in kde4
14:19<Guest1388>anyone can help me?
14:19<Guest1388>in can't configure in to work with phonon
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14:20<EmleyMoor>What happens when you try? That's a lot more useful...
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14:21<Guest1388>simply i can't get multiple audio outputs
14:21<Guest1388>so i got to install pulse
14:21<Guest1388>i didi it
14:21<Guest1388>but i can't use it with phonon-xine
14:22<EmleyMoor>Is that "I don't know how" or "I know how but it doesn't work"?
14:23<Guest1388>i know how to configure phonon and gstreamer but trough kde systemsettings
14:23<Guest1388>there is no way to get pulse audio working
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14:23<Guest1388>even tough pulseaudio server is running
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15:15<Hamael>woa, lots og users
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15:31<StyXman>does anyone happend to have python-qt4-dev v 4.5.4-1? I tried to pick it from http://snapshot.debian.net/, but is completely empty. can anyone dpkg-repack it?
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15:39<ghostkernel>hey guys im unable to get sound on Zsnes super nintendo emulator any idea what it can be?
15:40<ghostkernel>alsa sound is apperently running fine according to the terminal
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15:51<Jenny_323>hi, how can I extract a string between to words out of a text in bash / perl ?
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15:51<Titan8990>Jenny_323, #bash or #perl on freenode
15:52<Jenny_323>e.g. Token1="text text text text" Token2= >>> I only want text text text text
15:52<Jenny_323>ok
15:52<dkr>Jenny_323: echo foobarbaz|perl -ne'print $1 if /foo(.*)baz/'
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15:53<dkr>actually if they are separated like that, you could use cut -f2 -d"
15:53<Jenny_323>sory... could you take my eexample for better understanding ?
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15:53<Jenny_323>plz
15:53<dkr>cut splits on a delimiter, in this case "
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15:54<dkr>echo 'Token1="text text text text" Token2=' |cut -f2 -d\"
15:55<McE>ho
15:55<Jenny_323>ok it works but, there are more than one strin in line so it stops after the first one
15:56<Jenny_323>I used the cut example
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15:58<Ethan>I don't really know bash, but the regex method should catch them all.
15:59<graf>hi... can anybody tell me why there is slim (simple login manager) for stable and unstable but not for testing?
16:00<Jenny_323>language doesn''t matter also perl are welcome ...
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16:00<Ethan>Am I right in thinking that all you want to remove is the quotes?
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16:00<locklace>graf: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=slim
16:00<wnd>... | perl -e 'undef $/; $_ = <>; print "$_\n" foreach (/"(.*?)"/g)'
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16:01<wnd>but really, this isn't the right channel. besides you'll get better help if you tell what you're /really/ trying to do.
16:02<Jenny_323>there is a text wich contains urls and I want to grap them the first token is ACTION=" and the second is " METHODE=
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16:03<Jenny_323>e.g. ACTION="http://example.com" METHOD="POST" ... ACTION="http://example2.com" METHOD="POST"
16:04<Jenny_323>so I need to extract the link
16:05<Ethan>while (/ACTION="(.*?)" METHOD=/sg) {print "$1\n"}, then?
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16:05<aj_>hey to all
16:05<aj_>:D
16:06<aj_>i just installed the backtrack lol
16:06<aj_>its cool
16:06<aj_>hehe
16:06<aj_>i liked it
16:06<aj_>:D
16:06<graf>locklace: thanks for the link... i still don't fully understand why such a thing can happen... but well, i guess that there bugs in the stable versions (and since it was in stable it can be removed) and they are fixed in testing...
16:06<aj_>but i need ur help guys pls
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16:07<peej>aj_, please try and sound less retarded and ask the question
16:07<wnd>!enter
16:07<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
16:07<wnd>!ask
16:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
16:07<Titan8990>aj_, this is the debian support room, you are looking for #remote-exploit
16:07<aj_>oh thanks
16:07<Titan8990>aj_, if you are a new linux user, expect little to no help
16:07<aj_>can u help me how i can add it
16:08<Titan8990>aj_, /server irc.freenode.net /join #remote-exploit
16:08<aj_>lol i worked on ubuntu ;))
16:08<Titan8990>aj_, that doesn't count
16:08<aj_>lol
16:08<locklace>actually it does...in the other direction
16:08<aj_>but no one start expert
16:08<aj_>;))
16:09<aj_>guess every one start from zero and learn :)
16:09<aj_>right my friend ?
16:09<aj_>:D
16:09<peej>aj_, a good place to start is http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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16:10<aj_>thank you peej :X
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16:14<Jenny_323>Ethan, doesn''t work for me :(
16:16<steffan>!doesnt work
16:16<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
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16:18<edbian>Why is it that gnome system monitor reports that I'm using 157MB of ram but the "free" command reports that I'm using 630MB ?
16:19<Titan8990>maybe its only showing RAM usage of your current user?
16:19<jackyf>edbian: caches/buffers probably
16:19<edbian>jackyf: I'm running preload might that have something to do with it?
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16:20<Jenny_323>@ steffan - bash: syntax error near unexpected token `{print'
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16:20<steffan>Jenny_323: What are you trying to do?
16:21<Jenny_323>there is a text wich contains urls and I want to grap them the first token is ACTION=" and the second is " METHODE=
16:21<Jenny_323>e.g. ACTION="http://example.com" METHOD="POST" ... ACTION="http://example2.com" METHOD="POST"
16:21<jackyf>edbian: this is not an issue, that's a feature
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16:21<jackyf>you haven't do anything with it
16:22<Ethan>I suggest you put the perl in a separate file to avoid confusing bash with it.
16:22<steffan>What perl?
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16:22<edbian>jackyf: I know! :) It's great
16:24<Ethan>steffa
16:24<Ethan>steffan: I suggested a perl thing to Jenny_323, but she had a shell error with it.
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16:27<Jenny_323>Ethan, while (/ACTION="(.*?)" METHOD=/sg) {print "$1\n"} - how would you use it to filter example.txt
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17:15<unobin>hola
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17:15<steffan>unobin: Hi
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17:23<erick>Hi
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17:24<Ethan>Jenny_323: "man perlintro" is probably the best way to procede if you are unfamiliar with perl.
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17:37<what__>Ethan, +5 internets - didnt know that existed!
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17:41<n3lab>usa! usa!
17:44<jaggz1>what exactly is the -12v sensor?
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17:45<jaggz1>and why is it at 3.x, and in high temp times of the day it goes to 3.9 and i'm scared
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17:48<jaggz1>with the air conditioner on in the room, just 5 degrees cooler or so, it goes down to 3.3v
17:48<jaggz1>I keep raising the ksensors alert level but that seems risky
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17:51<mjt>jaggz1: it looks like you need to configure your sensors
17:52<mjt>it labels the sensor as "-12v", but it's clearly mis-labelled or mis-calculated
17:52<mjt>see /etc/sensors.conf
17:52<mjt>the system can't work at all if actual voltage on -12v rails is 3.3v
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17:54<laxe>mamones
17:54<jaggz1>is there somewhere I can cat (proc file for instance) the sensors?
17:54<jaggz1>to get a list without clicking through the ksensors config
17:54<laxe>you are crazy
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17:54<mjt>/sys/class/hwmon/*/device/
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17:55<mjt>and there's `sensors' utility as well
17:55<mjt>see http://lm-sensors.org/
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17:56<mjt>basically, each motherboard model and revision needs some calibration/tweaking befor the levels reported are actually useful.
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17:59<jakse>hi all installing lenny on eee 1000... think normal gui is too big? any suggestions to what gui to install?
17:59<jaggz1>http://miralh.voyager.com/s.html
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18:01<jaggz1>that's sensors output.. it looks like I have multiple 3.3 sensors or something?
18:02<jaggz1>I guess if there's vbat that could be another thing.. but chances are it's related to the fans moving faster during higher heat
18:02<mjt>it's what i said. your sensors needs proper calibration first
18:02<mjt>it's all wrong
18:02<jaggz1>jakse, let me know when you find out -- I'm probably going to be buying a netbook soon too, and it seems the eee is best supported right?
18:02<mjt>both mislabelled and miscalculated
18:03<mjt>try reading the hwmon files directly
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18:03<jaggz1>oh it can calibrate too? interesting .. didn't see that sentence, thanks
18:03<mjt>but even that wont help with proper labelling
18:03<mjt>it's all described in full details in sensors.conf
18:03<jakse>i use lxde on this one... eee701 works great ,... but would like some plug and play ;)
18:03<jaggz1>okay, thank you very much.. I wish I didn't have to deal with this now as I was working on something that I had to get done in the day...
18:04<jaggz1>no plug and play support for what?
18:04<mjt>jaggz1: my real advise to you is to stop taking attention to the voltage levels altogether
18:06<jaggz1>that sounds nice :) the last psu was 360 watt but I replaced it with an, old, from another computer, 480 watt
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18:22<Ethan>I have a problem. I've just installed Debian on a hard disk, but when I try to boot it it says "kernel
18:22<Ethan>the install disk, it says that the file is there. What can I do to make it boot?
18:23<yuri_>It says "kernel" thats it?
18:23<Ethan>I'll try that again.
18:23<Ethan>I have a problem. I've just installed Debian on a hard disk, but when I try to boot it it says "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/hdb1 ro", "error 15: File not found". If I run a shell from the install disk, it says that the file is there. What can I do to make it boot?
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18:28<ga_bash>hello what package does the python development library resides? python-dev??
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19:05<dpkg><florian> how can i make sound faster and more stable? <greycat> sound? *faster*? <greycat> you want to hear chipmunks?
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19:31<pavlis>hi there.. can i ask a q? i have just installed debian lenny and i have 2 problems. 1st: i cant see some folders on my usb hard disk and 2nd: i cant unrar files (i installed unrar-free)
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19:43<valdyn>paveq: some rar files just dont with with unrar-free
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19:46<paveq>:P
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20:19<danielvieceli>opa
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20:19<danielvieceli>algem usa freeraius ai?
20:19<Hideo>!pt
20:19<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
20:21<danielvieceli>ok thanks
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20:21<Vyrus001>do i use ia64 on a xeon chip?
20:21<Vyrus001>or just 386?
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20:22<hidr0>how can i find out what video card my computer has on debian lenny?
20:22<Vyrus001>hidr0 lspci
20:23<hidr0>any quick way to install proper drivers for nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 140M (rev a1)??
20:23<Vyrus001>ooh quadro nice
20:24<Vyrus001>um... i THINK the nvidia standard debian method would work
20:24<Vyrus001>not sure though, might wana do some googelin
20:24<hidr0>yea thanks
20:24<Vyrus001>yea if anything just use the wiki for nvidia drivers "the debian way"
20:25<sney>Quadro NVS a) isn't nice and b) has no 3D support, so you can just use the standard xorg "nv" driver
20:26<sney>hidr0: ^
20:26<sney>Vyrus001: for a xeon chip, if it's recent, you use amd64. if it's older, x86. ia64 is for itanium only.
20:27<sney>x86 will work either way.
20:27<Vyrus001>sney: gocha, these are dell 1u's
20:28<hidr0>its built into my Lenovo T61.. not much i can do about it but thanks
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20:30<sney>hidr0: actually I was wrong, never mind. Quadro NVS used to be 2d-only business graphics, but nvidia changed their minds it seems. you should be able to install nvidia 3d drivers the debian way, ask dpkg about nvidia or go to http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
20:31<hidr0>thanks a lot
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20:35<chealer>hidr0: depends on what you mean by "proper" drivers. the free nv driver is quick to install
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20:40<icebrain> /j #debian-pt
20:41<icebrain>ops, sorry :)
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20:53<hidr0>nvidia driver installed worked like a charm... thanks a lot
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21:09<julian>"as",[["adverbio","as","like"],["preposición","as","like","by way of","qua"],["conjunción","as"]]
21:09<julian>hi
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21:09<julian>'hello'
21:09<julian>'hi all'
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21:09<sensiblethief>server irc.Mildnet.Org
21:09<sensiblethief>./server irc.Mildnet.Org
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21:12<fleas>Hi I am scared of this debian linux. I just got it.
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21:13<fleas>it was pretty easy to install, but getting my internet wireless working was hard.
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21:13<fleas>I think I know why you guys all like linux now.
21:14<fleas>but how do I get firefox browser on it?
21:14<dpalacio>fleas: it is called «iceweasel» in debian
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21:14<franki^>apt-get install iceweasel
21:14<fleas>why?
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21:14<fleas>I mean, why is it called that?
21:15<dpalacio>google iceweasel debian
21:15<dondelelcaro>!why iceweasel
21:15<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>.
21:15<fleas>ahhh
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21:16<fleas>franki^: thank you.
21:17<fleas>Linux bastard 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Aug 19 06:06:52 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
21:17<fleas>this is so cool.
21:17<fleas>I'm reading a linux beginners book as I'm talking here.
21:18<fleas>So what should I do next, after I installed this? I mean, what are the cool programs I should learn first?
21:19<fleas>dfsg
21:19<franki^>well, learning about apt and its functions is always useful, but that really depends entirely on what you want to do
21:20<fleas>not sure, I just want to learn linux (I don't knwo really what that means yet)
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21:20<fleas>I know a bit about apt.
21:20<fleas>it's in my book.
21:21<fleas>but I don't have yum on this computer.. it keeps saying "yum install something"
21:21<fleas>or apt-get install something
21:21<faheem>fleas: yum is rpm based. similar concept to apt
21:21<fleas>aha!
21:22<fleas>I just did apt-get install yum
21:22<fleas>and it worked.
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21:22<fleas>apt,yum, bash, man there is so much to learn
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21:22<fleas>but the coolest thing ever is that when I went to goodbye-microsoft.com it easily installed linux.
21:22<fleas>that's so funny to me.
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21:23<julian>hi
21:23<faheem>fleas: er, you don't want to try to use yum to manage your debian system. :-)
21:23<fleas>my dad uses linux at work.. so I wanted to surprise him.
21:23<fleas>he's going to be really excited that I did it.
21:23<fleas>faheem what do you mean
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21:24<icebrain>Debian doesn't use yum
21:24<fleas>did I do something wrong already?
21:24<fleas>I installed it with apt.
21:24<fleas>how do I erase it?
21:24<faheem>fleas: no, it's harmless to install it
21:24<faheem>just don't use it to manage your system.
21:25<faheem>ie don't install stuff using it.
21:25<faheem>assuming that is even possible.
21:25<fleas>I'm confused, I didn't know it managed my system.
21:25-!-julian [~julian@190.144.23.62] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
21:25<fleas>I thought it was for installed apps.
21:25-!-julian [~julian@190.144.23.62] has joined #debian
21:25<fleas>like the iphone app store, kinda.
21:25<faheem>fleas: no, yum can be used to manage rpm based systems eg. fedora
21:25<julian>hi
21:25<fleas>hi
21:25<julian>hi
21:25<julian>hi
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21:25<fleas>I don't even know what that means.
21:26<fleas>rpm based systems
21:26<julian>'as are'
21:26<fleas>I've only been on linux for like an hour.
21:26<faheem>fleas: rpm is the low level packaage manager. similer to dpkg
21:26<julian>'I've only been on Linux for like an hour. \"
21:26<fleas>omg, I got a lot to learn.
21:26<faheem>fleas: suggest you do some reading. the web has lots of stuff.
21:26<faheem>if you are interested in debian, start with www.debian.org
21:27<faheem>not sure what beginner stuff it has on it, though.
21:27<fleas>faheem, well I just wanted to install it on my laptop and show my dad when he gets home from work that I did it by myself.
21:27<Lillymon>It seems I've been stopped from installing Debian again due to yet more stupidity. I tried to install Debian Squeeze from a USB drive installer, chose the graphical option, then found fbgtk just crashed over and over. So I do some more reading, try again, and find the installer appears to have saved fbgtk as the default option and no longer asks me.
21:27<faheem>fleas: ok.
21:27<Lillymon>So now it only uses fbgtk. The fbgtk that does nothing but crash. I'm going to have reformat the drive now.
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21:30<Lillymon>So, what will happen next? Will the flash drive break? Will the text installer somehow fail? I'm wondering what else is left to go wrong now.
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21:38<fleas>is there a linux chat room for kids?
21:38<fleas>or beginners?
21:39<fleas>and how do I get there from here.
21:39<sney>we help a lot of beginners here, and we try to keep it family friendly
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21:39<fleas>thaks.
21:39<fleas>thanks.
21:40<fleas>I tried the top command but I do understand it.
21:40-!-n0rman [bed401c8@widget.mibbit.com] has joined #debian
21:40<fleas>my book is hard to understand.
21:40<abrotman>do or do not ?
21:40<fleas>I do not.
21:40<abrotman>what about it do you not understand ?
21:41<fleas>well all of it, but the first line
21:41<fleas>all the numbers. I don't know what they mean.
21:41<abrotman>man top .. it explains the numbers
21:41<fleas>man?
21:41<sney>man is how you read the manual
21:41<fleas>how do I man it?
21:42<sney>linux can teach you all about itself, provided you aren't afraid of a little reading.
21:42<fleas>oh that is crazy
21:42-!-hugoxrosa [~hugoxrosa@189.62.146.51] has joined #debian
21:42<sney>I learned most of this stuff on an old dell laptop with no internet connection and no gui, just reading the man pages and a book I had
21:42-!-siva [~siva@122.164.177.69] has joined #debian
21:43<sney>I was about 14 when I started
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21:44<fleas>that is really confusing
21:44<abrotman>!docs
21:44<dpkg>Before asking, please read the documentation. Documentation isn't always easy to read, but that doesn't excuse you from (a) trying and (b) sending patches to improve the docs. If you don't do this, expect to be told to RTFM by impatient volunteers. Dick Brandon said that "Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is very, very, good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Ask me about <finding docs>.
21:44<abrotman>eh ..
21:44<abrotman>debian.org/doc
21:44<fleas>I am 11.
21:44<fleas>but my dad is a programmer and I have seen him use linux
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21:45<fleas>that's how I learned about it.
21:45<fleas>or am learning about it.
21:45<sney>there's also www.tldp.org that has a lot of general information
21:45<fleas>I want to be a programmer to.
21:45<fleas>too.
21:46<fleas>for some reason I can't start my iceweasel
21:46<sney>it's good to start young with this stuff, you learn more quickly when your brain isn't developed all the way
21:46<fleas>when I click it in applications list nothing happens but a little circle that spins.
21:47<sney>try running it as 'firefox' from the terminal
21:48<fleas>firefox command no found.
21:48<fleas>not
21:48<abrotman>iceweasel
21:48<fleas>oh
21:48<faheem>fleas: apt-get install iceweasel
21:48<sney>on my system it's aliased to firefox, weird.
21:48<fleas>how do I copy it.
21:49<fleas>it says can't execute iceweasel-bin
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21:49<fleas>what does that mean?
21:49<faheem>sney: earlier release probably
21:49<abrotman>aptitude install ...
21:49<faheem>fleas: do you know how to become root?
21:49<faheem>did you create a user for yourself?
21:50<fleas>root is super user right?
21:50<faheem>fleas: correct
21:50-!-icebrain [~icebrain@co3-84-90-130-39.netvisao.pt] has joined #debian
21:50<faheem>are you using the command line?
21:50<faheem>or shell, whatever
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21:50<fleas>In my book it says I should not use it but use sudo to install packages
21:51<faheem>fleas: either way.
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21:51<faheem>you don't want to use root as a general thing, but ok to switch to root occasionally
21:51<faheem>fleas: you have sudo installed and configured?
21:51<faheem>sudo has the advantage that it logs all the commands you issue as sudo
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21:52<fleas>I'm in terminal
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21:52<fleas>run-mozilla.sh: Cannot execute /usr/bin/iceweasel-bin.
21:52<fleas>that is what happens
21:52<faheem>fleas: i really suggest you take this one step at a time.
21:52<fleas>I did sudo apt-get install ice-weasel
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21:52<faheem>fleas: ok. did it work?
21:53<fleas>but I need a firefox
21:53<fleas>yes it worked
21:53<fleas>I think
21:53<faheem>fleas: iceweaseal same as firefox. trademark issues
21:54<fleas>how do I re-install it. I might have close the terminal window while it was installing.
21:54<abrotman>fleas: which version of debian is this ?
21:54<fleas>lenny
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21:55<fleas>I removed it
21:55<fleas>and am re-install it now.
21:56<fleas>uhm
21:56<fleas>No protocol specified
21:56<fleas>Error: cannot open display: :0.0
21:57<fleas>that's what it says when I type iceweasel at terminal
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21:57<fleas>I'm in terminal
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21:58<MJD>fleas: is your terminal running inside of X?
21:58<fleas>X ?
21:58<fleas>I don't know what that means.
21:59<MJD>fleas: Is your whole screen the console, or is the console running inside a window?
21:59<fleas>on the top I see buttons and it says applications places system and more buttons I got terminal from applications
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22:00<fleas>there is two of them, root terminal and terminal. I have terminal.
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22:00<fleas>I don't have console.
22:00<fleas>do I need that one?
22:00<abrotman>he's trying to run it as root
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22:01<MJD>fleas: Sorry. I meant terminal, not console.
22:01<fleas>no I have no root
22:01<fleas>I have sudo
22:01-!-Texou [~Texou@pat35-5-78-226-56-130.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: ++]
22:01<fleas>but I used sudo apt-get install iceweasel
22:01-!-streuner__ [foobar@p5DD39F8A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
22:01<fleas>then I type my password
22:01<MJD>fleas: What if you click the the web browser from the applications menu?
22:02<fleas>it spins a circle and nothing happens, it goes away.
22:02<MJD>fleas: It still does that after reinstalling it?
22:02<fleas>yes.
22:03<fleas>I think I broke something.
22:03<fleas>please don't ask what, because I don't know.
22:03<fleas>but it is not working
22:03<fleas>the earth button works but thats not firefox
22:04<fleas>or iceweasel
22:04<MJD>fleas: If you open a new terminal and run iceweasel, what does it say then?
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22:04<fleas>my dad is going to be home soon, I'm sure he can fix it.
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22:05<faheem>fleas: did you figure out IRC by yourself, or did someone show you?
22:05<fleas>I open new terminal window
22:06<fleas>I have used mirc with my dad
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22:06<fleas>and I type sudo apt-get install isrrc from my book and it told me to /join #debian
22:06<fleas> fleas@bastard:~$ iceweasel
22:07<faheem>fleas: i see. i take it your dad used debian
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22:07<fleas>No protocol specified
22:07<fleas>Error: cannot open display: :0.0
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22:07<fleas>my dad has freebsd and debian and one other linux
22:07<faheem>fleas: what kind of terminal is this?
22:07-!-nicone [~nic@user-0c6s5eb.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
22:08<faheem>what does: "echo $DISPLAY" show?
22:08<fleas>i clicked terminal in applications accessories
22:08<fleas>echo $DISPLAY
22:08<fleas>nothing.
22:09<fleas>I mean it shows :0.0
22:09-!-streuner_ [foobar@p5DD3B9EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:09<fleas>that's it two zeros
22:09<faheem>fleas: not an expert on this, but i think :0 is normal for a local display
22:10<faheem>anyone care to chim in?
22:10<faheem>chime, sorry
22:10<MJD>yes, :0.0 is the usual for a single display computer.
22:10<fleas>should I reboot
22:11<faheem>MJD: really? I have :0
22:11<MJD>:0 is the first xserver, and the .0 means the first screen (as far i understand it, .1, .2 would be other screens if you don't use xinerama, but I don't know for sure.)
22:11<MJD>faheem: :0 is the same as :0.0
22:11<fleas>I use laptop
22:11<fleas>it's HP pavillion xt3000
22:11<MJD>mines :0 too. but :0.0 should be the same.
22:11<faheem>MJD: maybe it is my dual monitor display.
22:12<fleas>I installed linux from goodbye-microsoft.com
22:12-!-worellana [~williams@190.87.130.239] has joined #debian
22:12<fleas>it made debian on my disk drive.
22:12<faheem>fleas: you didn't use the debian installer?
22:12<faheem>fleas: you can download debian installation disks from debian.org
22:12<faheem>there is a link on the main page
22:12<fleas>I don't have a cd drive in this laptop.
22:13<faheem>fleas: you can use a usb key
22:13<faheem>you have a usb drive?
22:13<fleas>but goodbye-microsoft.com installs the installer on my disk drive then I clicked thru the install
22:13<MJD>faheem: When I multiple screens, I mean independent displays that you can't move windows between them.
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22:13<faheem>these days you might be even able to run it off the hard disk, but i don't keep up with this stuff
22:13<fleas>it did it itself mostly, I just clicked defaults.
22:14<fleas>my dad is home.
22:14<fleas>I hear his car
22:14<fleas>thanks for all your help
22:14<fleas>bye
22:14<MJD>fleas: np.
22:15<faheem>MJD: i see.
22:15<faheem>why do you think i have :0 instead of :0.0?
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22:16<MJD>I have no idea. What display manager do you use? gdm, kdm, or something else?
22:16-!-linac [~lin@116.205.74.96] has joined #debian
22:16<faheem>MJD: kdm.
22:16<faheem>not important obviously, just curious.
22:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 352] by debhelper
22:17<MJD>So do I. It might be the difference between gdm and kdm (I assume that fleas was running gnome and thus gdm)
22:17<faheem>MJD: sounds plausible.
22:20-!-fleas [~mike@dt061n05.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
22:20<faheem>never heard of this goodbye microsoft site before now.
22:21<MJD>me either
22:22<faheem>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Win32-loader_%28Debian%29 <- first i've heard of this
22:22<fgh>Error
22:23<MJD>sounds cool though.
22:23<franki^>heh, me neither, but it is a cool site :)
22:23-!-deishido [~nds@c-24-13-123-201.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #debian
22:23<faheem>in lenny though.
22:24<MJD>but the video uses ie ...
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22:25<TheFish>hi
22:25<faheem>the wikipedia page is not very specific, but i assume it sets up a dual boot
22:26*deishido likes fish
22:26<TheFish>lol
22:26*deishido gets a skillet...
22:26<TheFish>!
22:26*deishido gets a fillet knife...
22:26*MJD starts the bbq
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22:27<TheFish>uh oh
22:27*deishido begins to chop up... an apple!?
22:27<deishido>NOM NOM NOM NOM...!
22:27<TheFish>runs away
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22:27*deishido feels welcome here...
22:28<faheem>i wish we really could say goodbye to microsoft
22:28<TheFish>me to
22:28<deishido>i was temp banned from irc.rizon.net
22:28<deishido>X.x
22:28<TheFish>why?
22:28<noflash>heh
22:28<deishido>Advertising
22:28<TheFish>oh
22:28<abrotman>deishido: do you have a Debian question?
22:29<deishido>debi-what?
22:29<abrotman>deishido: please be quiet
22:29<deishido>...ok
22:29<TheFish>do you even use debian?
22:29-!-dotslash [~frank@5ED6A969.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:29<abrotman>TheFish: do you have a Debian question?
22:29<TheFish>no, im just here to help any one who does
22:30<deishido>._ . i have a question... whats a debian?
22:30<abrotman>!tell deishido about debian
22:30<TheFish>its an operating system
22:30<TheFish>thats better than windows
22:30<TheFish>its linux
22:31<deishido>OOH, LINUX!? i got that... but i failed at installing it...
22:31<TheFish>its what a few other linux operating systems are based off of
22:32<deishido>ok, tnx...
22:32<TheFish>np
22:32<abrotman>deishido: if you do not have a Debian question, please be quiet
22:32<deishido>um... i should leave here... O.o
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22:32<abrotman>agreed
22:33<yuri_>s
22:33<TheFish>?
22:33-!-overddose [~overddose@99-22-132-198.lightspeed.mssnks.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
22:33<yuri_>test
22:33<TheFish>oh
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22:34<overddose>hi. can anyone tell me how to update the kernel from 2.6.26 to .27 or above
22:34<faheem>overddose: are you running lenny?
22:34<abrotman>overddose: /msg dpkg bpo
22:34<faheem>overddose: if so, backports has a 2.6.20
22:34<abrotman>.30
22:34<faheem>overddose: if so, backports has a 2.6.30 sorry
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22:35<overddose>dpkg: bpo
22:35<dpkg>backports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
22:35<abrotman>overddose: /msg .. not !
22:35<overddose>sorry ^_^
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22:38<overddose>abrotman, squeeze killed my comp, wouldnt boot to gnome, and then told me something wasnt configured right, so i reloaded it :]
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22:50<overddose>should i use 2.6.30?
22:50<abrotman>depends why it wouldn't boot .. you're leaving out dettails
22:51<overddose>i dont remember much, it doesnt matter, squeeze is unstable as it is.
22:52<abrotman>well .. technically it's 'testing'
22:52<overddose>yeah.
22:52<overddose>wait.
22:52<overddose>so how would i download this kernel using backports?
22:52<abrotman>without details, it's hard to tell you what went wrong and obviously we have no clue how to tell how it might be fixed
22:53<abrotman>overddose: backports.org has instructions on how to get packages correctly
22:54<overddose>well, if i use synaptic, what would i be looking for? 2.6.30 header files from bpo?
22:55<abrotman>i don't use synaptic ..
22:55<overddose>hmmmm.
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22:55<abrotman>if you've followed the instructions at backports.org .. i believe the command is 'aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-<fooarch>'
22:55<faheem>abrotman: or apt-get
22:56<abrotman>no .. aptitude
22:56<MJD>overdose: what is you current kernel's package called?
22:56-!-linac [~lin@116.205.74.96] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
22:56<MJD>overddose: ^
22:57<overddose>mjd, running 2.6.26, need .30 to support wireless lan :/
22:57<faheem>overddose: do be clear, backports is if you are running lenny
22:57<abrotman>overddose: he wants to know what 'uname -r' says
22:57<MJD>whats the package called though?
22:57<faheem>do-> to
22:57-!-Ciros [~SOPWD@68-116-23-98.static.knwc.wa.charter.com] has joined #debian
22:57<overddose>thats the problem, im not sure
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22:57<overddose>oh.
22:57<overddose>lol
22:57<overddose>2.6.26-2-686
22:58<faheem>overddose: dpkg -l | grep linux-image
22:58<No1>linux-image in synaptic
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22:59<abrotman>overddose: so you'd type 'aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-686' assuming you've set it up correctly
23:00<overddose>thanks!
23:00<overddose><3 all of you.
23:01<abrotman>oh .. he loves you faheem ..
23:01<faheem>abrotman: good to know
23:01<overddose>i love all of you equally, and there is no favorites.
23:01<abrotman>not a single one?
23:01-!-macrobat [~bosse_lar@h-150-127.A163.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #debian
23:01<overddose>no.
23:02<overddose>now i haz to lern linux!
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23:02<overddose>also, when its finished, what now.
23:02<faheem>overddose: just that minor detail...
23:02<abrotman>you reboot
23:02<faheem>in this forum, you really should say "learn Debian"
23:02<faheem>and pray
23:03<abrotman>!bless overddose
23:03<dpkg>O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child overddose, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen.
23:03<overddose>lolwut
23:03<overddose>im not a deity :[
23:04<overddose>nor am i a child.
23:04<abrotman>no, it calls to $DEITY .. as in some random god-type-being
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23:04<Hideo>everyone is a child in $DEITY's eyes
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23:06<overddose>i love...
23:06<overddose>all of you...
23:06<overddose>so very much...
23:07<overddose>first thing that came up = network card.
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23:08<abrotman>overddose: no reason to msg me
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23:09<overddose>hence "test"
23:09<Hideo>overddose: it's considered rude to pm people on irc w/o asking for permission first
23:10<overddose>:[
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23:10<Hideo>it's one of those netiquettes
23:10<overddose>only thing i do irc related is illegal by any standards, so i dont spend alot of time talking to people :D
23:14<overddose>anyways, thanks guys for your help.
23:14<overddose><3
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