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---Logopened Sun Oct 18 00:00:34 2009
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00:00<RENATO>yes
00:01<RENATO>whath?
00:01<RENATO>byeeeeeeeeeeeeee
00:01<RENATO>god bye
00:01<prahal>ymorin, thanks
00:01<RENATO>tchau
00:01<RENATO>braziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiilllllllllllllll
00:01<ymorin>prahal, will try a restart...
00:01<abrotman>RENATO: please just be quiet
00:01<RENATO>oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
00:02<RENATO>ooooooooooooooooooooooo
00:02<RENATO>oooooooooooooooooooooooo
00:02<RENATO>ooooooooooooooooooooooooo
00:02<sney>!ops brazil
00:02<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney complains about: brazil
00:02-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
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00:02<@abrotman>sney: i'm right here ...
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00:02<sney>oh yeah I forgot you were one of them abrotman
00:02<abrotman>you make us sound evil ...
00:02<sney>just stealthy
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00:05<yansanmo>result from rebooting: sound mute
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00:07<abrotman>there used to be a think with 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base' .. but i thought that had been fixed
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00:09<yansanmo>trying with dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base, then unmuting in alsamixer, then rebooting
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00:11<yansanmo>in console, now it's unmuted, but I can't go back to gdm...
00:11<yansanmo>rebooting...
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00:14<yansanmo>well, after second reboot, master, master mono and pcm are mute, with volume 0
00:15<yansanmo>will try to upgrade...
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00:17<yansanmo>340 MB to download
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00:31<necra88>hello?
00:34<Hydroxide>necra88: we're here. welcome.
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00:38<yansanmo>yep, when I restart, the master mono volume is always muted
00:38<yansanmo>and master volume changed
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00:47<necra88>hey hydroxide
00:47<necra88>just trying to add non free sources withg vi
00:47<necra88>(=
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00:51<necra88>whats another prog i can use
00:51<necra88>vis not working well
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00:52<Hydroxide>necra88: lots of editors exist. nano is a relatively simple text-mode one
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00:53<Hydroxide>necra88: you can also use a graphical editor of your choice if you invoke it as root (e.g. via sudo)
00:53<necra88>im in nano thanks.
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00:54<necra88>i added three nonfree sources that were in the sidux chanel
00:54<necra88>shall one have flash?
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00:59<franki^>necra88: one should, try "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
01:00<necra88>will ass soon as gimp is done. i really wish photoshop worked on here (=
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01:01<necra88>ran non free flash plug in should it be alset
01:01<necra88>or furhter intructions.
01:01<necra88>as* not (ASS)
01:01<franki^>no, that should fine, just restart iceweasel and try it
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01:02<MyWifeIs19>when I try to launch kvm with soundhw option, I get /dev/dsp busy error messages. Since I am not playing any video or such, how do I find which process is grabbing /dev/dsp?
01:02<gsimmons>dpkg: tell MyWifeIs19 -about list alsa users
01:04<MyWifeIs19>let me put it this way, is there a way to find which process is using a particular file?
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01:07<MyWifeIs19>s/using/opened/
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01:14<hachi>hi all, grub2 is interacting with xen to cause an 'early fatal page fault'
01:14<hachi>does anyone know of workarounds to this?
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02:20<gordon73>Hello everybody! I've installed GRUB2 on my system and recently found out that it doesn't support passwords. Is there any nice way to migrate back to GRUB Legacy?
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02:25<Gold24>gordon73: where did you get that idea?
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02:26<gordon73>See, my machine can be left for some time in places where too much linuxoids are. So I need to set a password. Googling about password on GRUB2 gave nothing.
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02:27<Gold24>well acording to the documentation the command is the same
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02:29<gordon73>o rly? That's very good as I haven't got much time for reinstalling. Big thanks for your help!
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02:32<Gold24>gordon73: http://grub.enbug.org/Authentification
02:32<Gold24>assuming i spelled it right
02:33<gordon73>almost ok :) It's quite strange that in default config there aren't any comments regarding authentication
02:34<Gold24>well the "default" config is auto generated from some files in /etc/grub.d
02:36<Gold24>so you have to edit those to make it be there after it
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02:36<Gold24>so you have to edit those to make it be there after it's been updated
02:43<gordon73>one more question: is there any way to set password on editing boot line?
02:43<gordon73>as far as I understand, this password is set on booting some entries
02:44<Gold24>dunno
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02:53<hachi>how can I diagnose where my machine is hanging during boot? I've got the kernel being verbose already (not quiet at least) and I get to the device mapper initializing
02:53<hachi>but it doesn't boot past that
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02:58<hachi>oh, root device isn't coming up or something maybe
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03:08<hachi>when I boot with break=premount
03:08<hachi>my keyboard doesn't work (PS2)
03:08<hachi>I guess I'll try to see if I can get this going over serial, but that's a little annoying
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03:13<ga_bash>hello anyone used xen here before?
03:13<hachi>I try to use it a bit
03:13<hachi>sadly my xen box isn't booting correctly now
03:13<hachi>can I answer something without having it booted?
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03:17<smhar>greetings
03:19<ga_bash>hachi, yep do you need to install CVS app "mercurial" with xen too?
03:19<smhar>I am back for another problem with my new laptop. this time X is not working. I was fine until the last upgrade, from synaptic, when the net was disconnected during the update. now when I start X I get this error: failed to set up write-combining range (some address)
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03:21<smhar>google only seems to know that this is a problem but does not show any solution to solve
03:22<hachi>ga_bash: hmm? no, I'm pretty sure I've already got mercurial installed
03:22<hachi>but I'm trying to get my machine to boot, that's the issue
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03:22<hachi>the moment I start trying to debug it, it locks up the keyboard
03:22<hachi>wooo
03:22<ga_bash>hachi, true but I am not getting the logic behind mercurial to be working behind xen? why would xen even require mercurial ..?
03:22<ga_bash>hmm maybe to write a few changes xen-store
03:23<ga_bash>yep that maybe it...
03:23<hachi>I'm confused in what way it does
03:23<ga_bash>well there
03:23<hachi>I've never had to install mercurial on a machine to install xen
03:23<ga_bash>hmm..
03:23<hachi>maybe to build xen images and stuff
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03:24<ga_bash>but you said you already had mercurial installed
03:24<hachi>because I use it for other things
03:24<hachi>it's insatlled in a domU
03:24<hachi>the dom0 doesn't have mercurial installed
03:24<hachi>and that's where xen is installed and all that jazz
03:24<ga_bash>hachi, so where have you got mercurial installed?
03:24<ga_bash>dom0
03:25<hachi>domU
03:25<ga_bash>hmm..
03:26<hachi>are you trying to build xen?
03:26<hachi>or install it, cause there are debian packages for it
03:26<hachi>you don't need to build it
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03:59<mib_jpeiw4sw>hi
03:59<mib_jpeiw4sw>anyone here?
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04:17<simonrvn>nope, just the crickets
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04:21<salman>greetings
04:23<salman>I still have my X not working due to an error: "Failed to set up write-combining range (some range)" that seems to be related to mtrr -according to google-. I thought maybe my kernel upgrade is the problem so I downloaded to 2.6.26-1 but the problem did not go
04:24<salman>I am not sure what to do, but right now the only thing that comes to my mind is the -painful- reinstall from scratch solution.
04:24<salman>is there away to avoid going to that level?
04:25<quitte>is there an alternative to snapshots.debian.net?
04:26<quitte>i need a slightly older version of udev
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04:27<salman>the problem is: because I do not know what actually caused this, I am worried that even after a clean reinstall, the same problem may occur :-(
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04:28<quitte>salman: that should only result in x being slow, but it should still work
04:29<quitte>salman: there probably is another error in the log that is more important
04:29<salman>quitte: X does not run at all now
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04:34<ga_bash>salman, what does the log file say ?
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04:39<K4SP3R>quick question for you guys
04:39<K4SP3R>does the current testing version of debian squeeze have the kFreeBSD kernel already ?
04:39<K4SP3R>or is that something that is in the works ?
04:39<K4SP3R>and how stable is the testing version
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04:41<K4SP3R>:P
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04:41<marcus``>:p
04:41<Tuplad>fdisk shows sda4 (10gb) partition, but I dont know what it's for... gparted marks it as a partition with errors. how can I find out if it's safe to format it ? :D
04:41<marcus``>hi just wondering what the easiest install for a newb to debian is (something that i can't mess up too much)
04:42<Tuplad>marcus``: download the netinst iso, burn it, start installing debian.
04:42<marcus``>i saw the mirrors with the small 180mb cd
04:42<marcus``>ok
04:42<Tuplad>marcus``: read the manual on installing debian
04:42<marcus``>i was thinking that, just wasn't sure :)
04:42<Tuplad>marcus``: it's not rocket science, really :p
04:42<marcus``>hehe thank you sir
04:42<Tuplad>you're welcome
04:42<salman>ga_bash: quitte: Xorg.0.log: en.pastebin.ca/1626766
04:42<marcus``>debian-503-amd64-netinst.iso
04:43<marcus``>that one should work
04:43<marcus``>right ;p
04:43<Tuplad>marcus``: yes :)
04:43<marcus``>k thx again
04:43<Tuplad>marcus``: make sure you burn it as iso
04:43<marcus``>alright
04:43<marcus``>bbs :)
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04:44<Tuplad>fdisk shows sda4 (10gb) partition, but I dont know what it's for... gparted marks it as a partition with errors. how can I find out if it's safe to format it ? :D
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04:44<Tuplad>oh, and I can't unmount it either because it's not mounted :/
04:44<quitte>salman: why are you using the vesa driver and not intel?
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04:47<Tuplad>omg. sda4 is a damaged partition which I managed to mount, and it's an EXACT copy of my root :o
04:47<salman_>quitte: I did not use anything, it is what the default install chose. This is a new notebook and I just managed to setup the wireless connection. video is next on the pipeline but I got this problem. the xorg.conf file is almost empty. I did not touch it yet
04:48<quitte>salman_: is xserver-xorg-video-intel installed?
04:49<salman_>yes
04:49<salman_>among many others
04:50<ga_bash>salman, try reconfiguring xorg #Xorg -configure > /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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04:56<quitte>salman_: if it never worked i'd assume that intel cantiga isn't detected by xorg, yet
04:56<quitte>in lenny, that is
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04:58<stuart>There seems to be a bug with stable time... I cannot adjust my clock for daylight saving regardless of whether I do so manually or via "synchronise with server". How can I set the correct time?
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05:00<salman_>quitte: X starts with the X cursor but that is all that is there. then it quits with the same error is the log
05:01<quitte>ok. so x works
05:01<quitte>salman_: how do you start x?
05:01<K4SP3R>I can't wait until they come out with a version of the intel xorg driver that doesn't have window tearing in it
05:01<K4SP3R>quitte, startx
05:02<quitte>K4SP3R: wow great. i wasn't polling though
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05:02<quitte>salman_: is gdm installed? does /etc/init.d/gdm restart work?
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05:07<salman_>quitte: gdm is installed and it works but it give the same error. X and startx also produce the same error
05:09<quitte>salman_: what you are referring to is a warning, not an error
05:10<quitte>salman_: so does it work or doesn't it?
05:11<quitte>while using the vesa driver mtrr is the least of your problems
05:12<quitte>also there are no backports for xserver-xorg-video-intel, yet
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05:13<quitte>so i'd recommend trying ubuntu 9.10 unless you are comfortable enough with debian to use squeeze
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05:13<tHW>Hello
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05:14<tHW>I might migrate to Debian if I can get these questions answered
05:15<tHW>How good is Debain xfce 64bit?
05:15<quitte>awesome
05:15<tHW>I'm using Sidux 64bit xfce but it's not awsome
05:16<tHW>This sucks
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05:16<quitte>why would you use xfce on a decent machine anyways?
05:16<tHW>There is no liveCD Debain?
05:16<quitte>tHW: yes there is
05:16<tHW>Becasue it is fast
05:16<hever>Hej. What was the tool/cmd to validate apt checksums against existing files ?
05:17<tHW>There is?
05:17<tHW>Where?
05:17<quitte>tHW: live.debian.net
05:17<K4SP3R>my friend wants to reinstall grub in debian
05:17<K4SP3R>how can he do this
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05:18<quitte>tHW: the speed on my desktop is limited by the start of applications, only. i don't see how xfce helps there
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05:19<tHW>http://live.debian.net/debian-cd/5.0.2/amd64/iso-cd/ Which of the xfce should I choose?
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05:19<quitte>tHW: look at the file sizes
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05:20<tHW>762M?
05:20<quitte>yes
05:21<jackyf>hever: debsums
05:21<hever>thanks
05:21<tHW>And some say that you should not install from the LiveCD. Does this apply to Debian?
05:21<jackyf>and s/apt/dpkg/
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05:21<gsimmons>K4SP3R: man grub-install ; /msg dpkg fixmbr
05:22<quitte>tHW: if it offers installation on boot - it's just the normal debian installer
05:22<quitte>if it doesn't you can't anyways
05:22<gsimmons>tHW: There is no "install to hard disk" option currently available in Debian Live.
05:22<tHW>But Mandriva said install from Free
05:22<tHW>Ok gsimmons
05:23<quitte>where can I find the udev package that was previously in sid?
05:23<tHW>KDE is out of the question but what does GNOME contain which xfce dont?
05:23<quitte>tHW: gnome
05:24<tHW>Here xfce doesn't contain any GUI installers
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05:24<tHW>In the future GNOME will be gnome
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05:25<tHW>I could download both LiveCD
05:25<tHW>But that would take extra time
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05:26<quitte>tHW: unless you have really low ram just use gnome. it's the debian default desktop so has the most testing
05:26<hachi>are there any dom0 capable kernels newer than 2.6.26 yet?
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05:28<tHW>Which do you think I should download? Here is my hw AMD Phenom X4 64, Nvidia Geforec 9400GT and ASUS mobo and 150 GB HDD
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05:28<tHW>quitte!
05:29<quitte>tHW: gnome
05:29<tHW>Why?
05:29<quitte>because your system is rather high end
05:29<quitte>why would you want xfce?
05:30<hachi>I'm looking for a kernel that doesn't suffer from bug 542250 can anyone help?
05:30<tHW>They say it is faster and KDE always fails me
05:30<quitte>tHW: xfce being faster matters on p3 class machines
05:30<tHW>p3 = pentium 3?
05:30<quitte>with like 256M ram
05:30<quitte>yes
05:30<tHW>ohh
05:31<tHW>That sucks
05:31<tHW>I have 4GB RAM
05:32<quitte>that box should happily run gnome and kde at the same time with full desktop effects
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05:33<tHW>LoL phail the gnome is smaller than xfce LiveCD
05:33<quitte>tHW: live cds don't have the proper nvidia drivers, though
05:34<tHW>But Mandriva reached 89% disk spaced used in 1week
05:35<tHW>Maybe I should buy a bigger HDD
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05:35<quitte>150G?
05:35<quitte>for the system?
05:35<quitte>tHW: keep separate system and /home
05:35<tHW>Yes but then some part is partionated away
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05:35<davi>proprietary drivers sucks. I like a lot my radeon free software driver
05:36<tHW>Seperate system and /home?
05:36<quitte>davi: while i prefer a free driver any day - nvidia drivers are by far the best there are
05:37<davi>quitte, no, because they are non-free ones
05:37<tHW>I have thought of that but other have said that I instead should partion it to a document and media partion
05:37<quitte>davi: ok. but that is the only reason
05:37<tHW>Not /home since that could lead to trouble if I used zwei distros
05:37<davi>quitte, My radeon one is very very good, and being free software it is improving a lot each day
05:38<quitte>davi: intel drivers still are complete crap. and those are the best supported free drivers
05:38<tHW>I heard that there would be better support for Radeon card with the new kernel
05:38<davi>Not all free software projects improve each day, but radeon seems good about it
05:38<Gathond>quitte: well intels cards are complete crap too:)
05:39<davi>quitte, Yes, I have heard intel drivers have some issues
05:39<tHW>Intel moblin
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05:39<quitte>as soon as telltale games work as good on free radeon as on ancient non-free nvidia i might switch
05:39<tHW>what does telltale develop again
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05:39<tHW>Sam and Max?
05:39<quitte>yes
05:41<tHW>If the new linux plattforms bring many new users the companies may see financial possiblities wit hlinux games
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05:41<tHW>I smell victory
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05:42<quitte>tHW: so did that one company that ported all sorts of games like unreal tournament
05:42<quitte>what was their name?
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05:43<quitte>loki games
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05:50<K4SP3R>is anyone in here using squeeze and is the software in it fairly new ?
05:50<K4SP3R>I don't mean bleeding edge but new enough to contain something like pidgin 2.6.x
05:51<hachi>squeeze seems to only have 2.5.9 for me
05:51<hachi>however, lemmie run an upgrade
05:51<hachi>maybe I'm just lagging
05:51<quitte>hachi: i'm running sid. it has 2.6.2
05:52<hachi>actually, sid is supposed to be 2.6.3 at this point
05:52<hachi>squeeze is 2.6.2
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05:52<hachi>so yeah, K4SP3R, it's got 2.6.2
05:52<hachi>and I need to upgrade
05:52<K4SP3R>nice
05:53<quitte>hachi: true. it's 2.6.3 after the restart
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05:54<K4SP3R>I am curious about Squeeze's kFreeBSD option
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05:55<K4SP3R>is that implemented yet or are they going to wait and implement that ?
05:55<K4SP3R>like with the packaged release for instance
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05:56<hogren>hello
05:56<hogren>please help me
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05:57<hogren>i have the intel chipset ... gm65/gl960
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05:57<hachi>I like how update-grub mounts EVERY SINGLE FILESYSTEM
05:58<hachi>on this host that I have xen domU running on, it sits there and iterates over all the devices for the domU
05:58<quitte>K4SP3R: http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/
05:58<hogren>i want to active the graphic acceleration
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06:06<do0ob>hi
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06:06<do0ob>has xorg.conf gone? I can't find it with locate
06:07<do0ob>if xorg has now switched to using auto-configure for the display will it switch to the nvidia drivers by itself?
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06:14<Lethalman>do0ob, no it doesn't
06:14<Lethalman>do0ob, X -configure, it'll generate a xorg.conf under /root
06:14<Lethalman>tweak it for nvidia
06:14<do0ob>oh
06:14<Lethalman>otherwise nowadays it's all auto detected and configured
06:15<do0ob>well locate only found an example xorg.conf
06:15<Lethalman>a minimal xorg.conf is enough when you just specify nvidia
06:15<Lethalman>that's what I suggest to you
06:15<Lethalman>all other options are guessed by X
06:15<do0ob>thanks, brb i'll try it
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06:18<do0ob>it worked, thanks
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06:23<tHW>I'm going try the gnome LiveCD the now. Thanks for the assistance quitte
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06:34<ehren>I completely pwned myself full-upgrading my unstable system... it looks like the latest xorg package is completely broken (kdm would load but it would fall back to the login screen immediately). I ended up completely removing X and kde and attempting to use xdm and xfce... still the same thing (could load xdm and that's it). I've ended up basically purging everything and now I can't even get xserver to start (I'm on irs
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06:39<locklace>ehren: so do you have a question
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06:41<ehren>locklace: you're right, I asked this a bit prematurely... at the moment I'm just backing up home... gonna start from scratch... nm
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06:44<tHW>That was very lame
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06:45<tHW>No good network manager at all
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06:46<dr|z3d>tHW: tried wicd?
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06:47<tHW>The liitle button in top left bar?
06:47<tHW>In that case yes
06:48<shift_wreck>sudo apt-get install wicd
06:49<tHW>I don't have internet with out wirless
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06:49<tHW>There is no wireless without a good network manager
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06:52<shift_wreck>can you dl it and put it on some media
06:52<shift_wreck>and then install?
06:53<do0ob>is it possible to setup a manual divert?
06:53<ehren>ok... I've been able to get xserver to run as well as xfce (see above post), however trying to startx as myself and not root I get "user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.\n xinit: Server error". I've been able to get by without a login manager before just using startx as normal user... anyone know what gives?
06:53<do0ob>to move a file from one location to another in the package management system
06:55<Lethalman>do0ob, dpkg-divert
06:55<do0ob>so far i've only seen the deb packages themselves do diverts
06:55<shift_wreck>dpkg --install foobitybar.deb
06:55<dpkg>shift_wreck: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
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06:55<shift_wreck> dpkg --install foobitybar.deb
06:55<shift_wreck>oops
06:55<shift_wreck><--noob here
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06:56<do0ob>dpkg -i file.deb
06:56*dpkg removes a speen from do0ob and replaces it with file.deb
06:56<shift_wreck>try: dpkg --install foo_VVV-RRR.deb
06:56<Lethalman>do0ob, deb packages use dpkg-divert
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06:56<do0ob>oh
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07:31<do0ob>Lethalman: thank you, dpkg-divert worked
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07:33<do0ob>On an amd64 system, do you use a 64bit windows driver for ndiswrapper or do you use the 32bit driver?
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07:34<ehren>hello, I'm trying to get xfce to work. for some reason xdm will not work at all... it will load the login screen but after putting in my username and pass it will just fall back to the login... so, I've given up on using a login manager and am just trying with startx. for some reason though startx only works as root (xfce works fine but I don't want to run it as root obviously). When I try to run startx as a normal user
07:35<dr|z3d>ehren: startx won't necessarily cut it.
07:35<do0ob>isn't there an option to pick xfce on the netinstall disk? i chose kde as the default desktop from the menu when installing squeeze
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07:36<dr|z3d>ehren: Try startxfce4
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07:38<Lethalman>do0ob, install xfce and choose it from gdm session
07:38<Lethalman>ops
07:38<Lethalman>kdm session
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07:39<do0ob>Lethalman: ehren is the one having issues with xfce
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07:39<ehren>dr|z3d: it works! you're a lifesaver, thanks!
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07:40<dr|z3d>\o/
07:40<do0ob>ehren: maybe you could use kdm or gdm and change the session to xfce to get a graphical login
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07:42<ehren>do0ob: not too sure about that... I got put in this position becuase I had the exact same problem with kdm after upgrading from kdee 4.2 to kde 4.3 ... I think it might be an X problem... I was just about to ditch debian and install gentoo but now all is right (enough)...
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07:42<do0ob>na, reinstall, choose kde from the squeeze netinstall disk
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07:44<ehren>do0ob: eyh, I actually don't mind xfce and it's more appropriate on my crap laptop... plus now I have actual work to do instead of fixing debian problems for the last 6+ hours
07:44<do0ob>... so why did you even consider gentoo?
07:45<dr|z3d>You tell him, ehren. KDE is the last thing you'd want to install on an underperforming system.
07:46<dr|z3d>do0ob: If he just wants to get on and work, what benefit would a highly demanding distro like Gentoo provide?
07:46<dr|z3d>He wants to work, not tweak his system and futz about.
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07:47<locklace>!gentoo
07:47<dpkg>from memory, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than two of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ or ask me about <greenhouse>. http://bash.org//?464385 , or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg, or <funroll-loops>, or #gentoo @ irc.freenode.net.
07:47<yhlfh>!slackware
07:47<dpkg>somebody said slackware was a distribution made by Patrick. http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/slackware.jpg . http://www.slackware.com/ ##slackware on irc.freenode.net.
07:47<dr|z3d>Bad advice is worse than no advice at all.
07:47<locklace>dpkg: gentoo is also http://funroll-loops.info
07:47<dpkg>locklace: okay
07:47<yhlfh>!debian
07:47<dpkg>i heard debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
07:48<yhlfh>!distro
07:48<dpkg>from memory, distro is short for distribution.
07:48<do0ob>are you being sarcastic, because debian is probably the easiest distro to get along with
07:48<yhlfh>!ubuntu
07:48<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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07:48<do0ob>i mean gentoo was hard, ubuntu was irritating to update every 6 months
07:48<do0ob>i like the streaming updates
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07:48<qwerty>hi
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07:49<cahoot>yhlfh: try /msg dpkg <item>
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07:49<qwerty>i have problems with watchdog and wd_keepalive in Debian Lenny
07:49<do0ob>hi
07:49<yhlfh>!arch
07:49<dpkg>hmm... arch is a hardware architecture (i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390 && ia64). Also a source control revision system. Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at http://arch.fifthvision.net/, or http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5928, or #arch Under lenny, /bin/arch has disappeared, use "uname -m" instead, or <architecture>, or <arch linux>.
07:49<qwerty>i think i found a bug in it
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07:49<dr|z3d>yhlfh: Please stop randomly triggering the bot.
07:49<qwerty>my system keeps rebooting via watchodg without a reason
07:49<ehren>do0ob: considered gentoo because what's the alternative to debian? ubuntu, fedora... nah
07:50<qwerty>problem is probably in wd_keepalive, which is starting almost the first on boot time
07:50<qwerty>looks like wd_keepalive is enabling the watchdog but is NOT sending any data to it
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07:50<qwerty>so, if booting up slows down, server will reboot without a reason
07:50<ehren>anyway, thanks for your help all
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07:51<do0ob>ehren: na, debian is pretty easy considered to gentoo, it takes too long to tweak and mess about with gentoo, but its good for learning how to manage the system, then switch back to debian
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07:51<qwerty>you can slow down the boot up process by breaking any application - for example setting PID file of MySQL to non-existing directory
07:52<qwerty>is this a known bug ?
07:52<cahoot>looked at bugs.debian.org?
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07:53<qwerty>yes, i didn't find anything related to wd_keepalive
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07:54<qwerty>i consider this a very serious problem cos it can put the server into unbootable state
07:55<qwerty>wd_keepalive is just not working
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07:57<qwerty>anyone who can confirm problems with ws_keepalive ?
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07:57<qwerty>wd_keepalive
07:59<qwerty>is anyone here at all ??
07:59<cahoot>bug #540390 isn't at all related to you problem qwerty ?
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07:59<hever_>Hello I'm looking for a software that allows me to categorize a lot of videos and gives me the option to set some meta options, that I could find a video I'm going to watch easily based on this infos.
07:59<cahoot>s/you/your/
07:59<qwerty>cahoot: will check it, mmt
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08:01<hever_>(this need not be related to video, this is also interesting for photos)
08:01<qwerty>cahoot: not sure but i think no. my problem is that wd_keepalive is probably enabling the watchdog but then it is NOT sending any data to it so if 'watchdog daemon' is not started very soon, server will be rebooted
08:02<qwerty>cahoot: i can easily reproduce the problem on my server
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08:05<qwerty>cahoot: where can i get more help on this ?
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08:06<cahoot>qwerty: sorry no idea
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08:08<qwerty>cahoot: ok, i will try mailing list
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08:09<qwerty>cahoot: i think i can be able to fix this by runnig wd_keepalive right before the watchodg daemon, but i don't like this solution
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08:22<peej_>if you have pulseaudio running, is it ok to use alsamixer to set sound levels?
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08:29<cahoot>you don't want to use pavucontrol?
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08:40<icebrain>hi! it's the second time my debian crashes (everything freezes), and after rebooting nothing is logged. I've checked kern.log and dmesg.*, but no errors are listed
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08:42<icebrain>is there any way to capture/debug the error when it happens?
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08:44<peej_>cahoot, thanks, I wasn't aware of that
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08:44<locklace>icebrain: do you know if it's a kernel panic
08:45<icebrain>locklace: I have no idea
08:45<locklace>!tell icebrain about how to ask
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08:46<locklace>icebrain: one indication of a panic is flashing keyboard leds while the system is frozen
08:47<icebrain>locklace: oh. caps lock and such? I'm pretty sure they weren't flashing. I use Sid, btw
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08:47<locklace>does this happen inside or outside of x
08:47<locklace>is it repeatable? did it ever work? when did it start
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08:49<icebrain>locklace: inside X. It only happened twice, and I have no idea what started it
08:49<icebrain>locklace: I was hoping there was some way to get more info the next time it happens
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08:49<locklace>where you doing anything specific at the time? any system changes prior to the first hang
08:49<icebrain>not realy
08:49<icebrain>usual stuff
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08:50<icebrain>nothing even graphic intensive (accelerated) or anything
08:50<locklace>what kind of hardware, what kernel version, and which x video driver
08:50<user_>good evening all
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08:50<icebrain>it's a laptop, running 2.6.30 (debian stock) and radeonhd
08:51<locklace>what are the symptoms of the freeze. total freeze, as in no mouse movement, no disk access, no ability to cycle keyboard leds?
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08:52<user_>i have installed debian 5.0 around 6 months ago. i was in city. now i don't have access to internet at my home town. i did requested my friend to download the first dvd.
08:53<user_>however i have found that there are 2 dvd1 sets : debian-503-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent ; debian-update-5.0.3-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent. which one should i download ? and to update my system should i use aptitude full-upgrade ?
08:53<icebrain>it's a total freeze, although I haven't tested the keyboard. But even the sound "froze" and "looped" before going silent
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08:53<cahoot>sounds like my overheating system
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08:54<locklace>icebrain: ok. the cause is going to be one of: kernel problem, x video driver problem, or hardware fault.
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08:55<icebrain>sure, I was counting on that, i hoped there was some way to get more data :|
08:55<icebrain>the laptop is only 2 months old, but you never know :(
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08:55<locklace>icebrain: the most likely candidates are a driver problem (either kernel or x driver) or something amiss with the hardware. the nature of such problems mean that getting more data is intrinsically hard, since by definition no data can be generated or saved when the system is frozen
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08:56<locklace>icebrain: you should still see if keyboard leds or magic sysrq work
08:56<locklace>icebrain: other than that, you have to proceed by ruling out various things, e.g. run x with the vesa driver to rule out the radeon driver, etc.
08:56<locklace>icebrain: also run hw diagnostics, like memtest86+
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08:57<icebrain>ç
08:57<icebrain>locklace: sorry. Ok, will do, thanks
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08:57<user01>how would i install a second language to my debian system? so that gnome, and all apps that have translations in that language would be installed?
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08:59<azeem>user01: dpkg-reconfigure locales
08:59<azeem>I think
09:00<user01>azeem, thanks!
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09:05<smhar>greetings again..
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09:13<user01>would ¨w¨ show if someone is currently remote logged in to a computer?
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09:14<mjt>user01: it depend on what you mean by "logged in"
09:14<mjt>if it' slogged into your imap server for example it wont be shown.
09:14<mjt>but interactive sessions are shown, yes
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09:15<user01>mjt, ah ok well i keep going to click on a button and my cursor moves, like someone keeps moving it, or i could just be a software issue
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09:16<mjt>it's unlikely that someone else will do that for you
09:17<abrotman>use ps and look to see if a window manager is running
09:17<user01>mjt, ok then it is a bug since ¨w¨ shows me as the only one logged in
09:17<mjt>heh
09:17<mjt>if it were a "hacker" he won't be shown in `w' ;)
09:17<locklace>netstat is slightly better
09:18<smhar>I am giving my system one last chance before reinstalling a clean debian and hoping this will not happen again. the problem is that X does not start. these are some files: dmesg: http://pastebin.ca/1626987 , xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/1626988 , xorg log: http://pastebin.ca/1627001
09:18<smhar>theres is also kern.log but it seems too big for pastebin sites
09:18<locklace>not that there's even a remote chance that your spurious cursor movement is the result of nefarious plotting
09:19<locklace>smhar: try the vesa driver
09:20<user01>abrotman, there are logins of 104 and 107
09:20<abrotman>not useful
09:20<smhar>locklace, it was a vesa driver origionally with the same effect
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09:21<user01>abrotman, ah ok they say avahi-daemon: running
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09:22<abrotman>still not helpful
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09:23<smhar>quitte, locklace this is a notebook with integrated video chipset and shared video memory that is being set dynamically with no BIOS option to change. if this is of any help
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09:24<user01>abrotman, ps by itself only shows bash and of course ps
09:25<user01>abrotman, ps aux shows a bunch of stuff
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09:26<user01>abrotman, i dont see any window manager with ps aux
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09:28<user01>i guess i just need to kill firefox and see what happens
09:29<user01>its just weird because i just clicked on the close window button for firefox and it jumped to system on the gnome menu and selected shutdown
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09:30<quitte>smhar: try ubuntu 9.10. this is a very new intel chipset that is not supported even in pretty new distributions
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09:30<quitte>smhar: or upgrade to squeeze
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09:31<user01>i click on close again and the mouse moved halfway down the screen, tried again and it moved halfway down the screen, and on the 3rd attempt it closed it
09:32<user01>so it seemed like someone was moving the mouse
09:32<abrotman>is this using vnc?
09:32<azeem>user01: if it only happens when you click, I guess it's a driver issue
09:33<user01>azeem, ah ok well i restarted iceweasel and it appears to be working fine now
09:34<smhar>quitte, with all due respect, I would rather run Sid and not run ubuntu, as my main system, I have ran both etch and lenny long before they become stable, and I was planning to run squeeze too, but work conditions did not give me enough time. will this issue be solved in squeeze?
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09:35<smhar>quitte, btw, after I first installed lenny on this notebook, video worked with no problem, probably with the vesa drive, but after a couple of upgrades I got into this problem
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09:36<miguel>i want to have an own device control the mouse in X . do i have to write a own driver/ module for it then ?
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09:37<azeem>miguel: what do you mean with "own device"?
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09:37<locklace>smhar: my view is give squeeze a try. there have been giant leaps in hardware support both in the kernel and in x since lenny
09:38<miguel>i have a touch device, that simply gives me the coordinates of the finger
09:38<locklace>smhar: particularly for laptop devices
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09:38<miguel>and i want to use it to control the mouse
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09:39<quitte>smhar: oh. i assumed that it never worked
09:39<quitte>smhar: there are bug reports for ubuntu hardy about your chipset
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09:39<smhar>quitte, I 've reas
09:40<quitte>smhar: also the mtrr problems are a pita to solve with lenny
09:40<smhar>quitte, I 've read them, but no workaround is available
09:40<smhar>quitte, so, since it worked before, and the direct cause for the problem is unknow... what should I do?
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09:41<quitte>smhar: i'd too say: give squeeze a try. you are about to reinstall anyways
09:41<quitte>smhar: upgrade to squeeze.
09:41<miguel>or maybe i can change the position of the ACTUAL mouse ? and tell it to klick or doubleklick , via some messages or something??
09:41<quitte>if that doesn't help reinstall
09:42<smhar>quitte, ok... will try that.. hopefully it will be solved.. I was planning to upgrade later any way.. :-)
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09:42*mjt wonders why dpkg does not know about lenny->etch...
09:42<mjt>:)
09:42<smhar>quitte, but if it didn't work and I reinstalled.. I am very worried that I will face the same problem at some point of the future.. probably a near one
09:43<quitte>smhar: using the vesa xserver is not an option for long anyways
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09:43<rootherd>saludos
09:44<quitte>smhar: also the next time you break it you will probably know how
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09:46<smhar>quitte, but if it didn't work and I reinstalled.. I am very worried that I will face the same problem at some point of the future.. probably a near one
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09:48<quitte>smhar: don't worry about reinstalling, yet. do the squeeze upgrade first
09:48<smhar>well .. I hated this notebook from day 1.. I think I will soon put it on sale and get a better one :-)
09:49<quitte>smhar: also i didn' quite understand what your problem is
09:49<mjt>squeeze uses hotplug for X input devices, which makes configuration significantly more difficult
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09:49<quitte>nonsense
09:49<mjt>lovely
09:49<quitte>unless you have a weird setup it just works
09:49<mjt>if it just works there's nothing to configure
09:50<mjt>but if your mouse is misdetected you have to undo the hotplug stuff first
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09:50<azeem>how often is it misdetected?
09:50<quitte>you can still configure in the config like you always could
09:50<mjt>quitte: it gets ignored
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09:51<mjt>azeem: i dunno really. Right now my mouse has swapped buttons, I used to have some line about buttons remapping in xorg.conf but it does not wokr anymore
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09:51<sylar>anyone know if ESD supposed to give a remote microphone too?
09:51<sylar>(or not?)
09:51<smhar>quitte, the problem is: everythingg was working 'ok'. I had just managed to get wifi working and started doing a mass upgrade/install using synaptic, when I got disconnected from the net and had to reboot. After the reboot, I could not get to X, and got the errors I showed. I managed to get to internet and do a aptitute dist-upgrade but still.. it did not solve the problem
09:52<mjt>azeem: it's the wheel buttons: the wheel has 3 buttons, by moving it down, or left or right (in additional to scrolling). Here right now moving it left scrolls right and vise versa.
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09:53<mjt>it was ZAxisMapping option
09:54<mjt>but i love such attitude: say "it's all nonsense" and quit.
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09:56<locklace>mjt: yeah, if you have to configure hal, you're screwed
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09:57<mjt>i once tried that. or tried to find some docs or someone who knows where to find them :)
09:57<mjt>in particular, i wasn't able to find where it grants mount/umount to my windows partitions to regular users on the hdd.
09:58<mjt>(despite fstab does not list 'users' or 'user' options)
09:58<locklace>you're in hal/policykit/consolekit hell
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09:58<DTE>hi
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09:58<sylar>is there some chat room for sound ?
09:59<cahoot> might try #lad on freenode
09:59<locklace>!room
09:59<dpkg>CHANNEL!
09:59<mjt>lol
09:59<steffan>sylar: Not a debian-sound channel on this network
09:59<steffan>!sound
09:59<dpkg>sound is, like, ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <ac97>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts>, <devdsp>, <rs>.
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09:59<Lethalman_>mjt, what's the problem?
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09:59<mjt>Lethalman_: which problem?
10:00<mjt>(the nick sounds.. promising too ;)
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10:00<sylar>I am interensted in esd+microphone over the networnk
10:01<mjt>esd does not do microphone if i remember it right
10:01<cahoot>sounds like you want to try out pulseaudio
10:01<sylar>aha
10:01<sylar>may arts do it?
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10:02<sylar>pulseaudio isn't supported by my app
10:02<sylar>is there a client for windows?
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10:03<sylar>(for pulseaudio?)
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10:03<nitesnow>im on an acer 3680
10:03<azeem>sylar: you got an esd-aware Windows program?
10:03<sladi>sylar: Pulse is quite nice if your alsa driver isn't buggy. The Windows version is old though. Pulse supports Alsa apps, just OSS apps are not supported well.
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10:03<mjt>nitesnow: please realize that everyone here immediately knows what's "acer 3680" and which problems and components it has
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10:05<NiteSnow>mmm k im on an acer aspire 3680 with a intel graphics model 945m
10:05<locklace>!congratulate NiteSnow
10:05<dpkg>Yay NiteSnow, you did it!
10:05<NiteSnow>that better
10:05<NiteSnow>lol
10:05<DTE>i'm trying to use ecrypfs but i don't get file to be encrypted
10:05<mjt>lol
10:05<mjt>DTE: it's not about your statement :)
10:05<sylar>azeem, sladi , I have a server with many users running their desktop there aka Nx, FreeNx,terminal server
10:06<DTE>mjt: i hope ;)
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10:06<sylar>it currently use esd, but there is no option to choose the local microphone
10:06<sladi>sylar: Pulse isn't intended to support many usesers a once, if that's what you need.
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10:07<DTE>actually i'v got it to work only if i use ecryptfs_enable_filename_crypto=y
10:07<DTE>but thn i get some errors about name length
10:07<sylar>sladi, yes that is what I need on the server
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10:07<sladi>sylar: It is made for a typical desktop where one user at a time logged in. Its system-wide mode is not recommended by the developres.
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10:07<sylar>aha
10:08<sylar>so no micrphone for me , I guess :?/
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10:10<sladi>sylar: Well only if you really have the same user logged in for all clients. Doesn't each client hav its own user? Then there is no problem I'd guess. I never did what you need though. The #pulseaudio channel at freenode is active for questions. :)
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10:13<sylar>sladi, each user has its one login
10:13<sylar>name
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10:13<sylar>I'll ask at freenode, see what they say
10:13<sladi>sylar: Yes, I'm not really sure if it's possible, sorry. :)
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10:16<shift_wreck>can i get any recommends on a solid, high quality webcam?
10:16<NiteSnow>damn router anyways
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10:17<dr|z3d>shift_wreck: Logitech seem to be pretty good these days.
10:17<shift_wreck>right on
10:18<shift_wreck>any particular model?
10:19<quitte>i prefer any cc cam that can be connected to a tv card
10:19<dr|z3d>shift_wreck: I've heard good things about a model that does 8mp static images.
10:19<shift_wreck>go on
10:19<quitte>full ntsc resolution and framerate over usb is something i have never seen
10:20<abrotman>might want to ask ##hardware on freenode
10:20<shift_wreck>points well taken quitte
10:20<shift_wreck>Ahh good idea
10:20<shift_wreck>thanks ab
10:20<dr|z3d>quitte: USB2 is now de rigeur.
10:20<shift_wreck>thanks abrotman
10:21<dr|z3d>shift_wreck: Logitech Pro 9000 is the one I'm referring to.
10:21<shift_wreck>excellent, ill have a look
10:21<shift_wreck>ty
10:22<quitte>dr|z3d: does it actually work without tearing and show fast motions instantly?
10:22<cahoot>else wait for usb3 capable?
10:22<dr|z3d>quitte: I can only talk from he pov of the recipient of such feeds.. looked very very good, very responsive.
10:22<dr|z3d>And the static images were equally impressive.
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10:26<DTE>is it the problem with dmsetup, lvm2 and devicekit-disks solved?
10:26<quitte>no
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10:27<DTE>i cannot turn off my pc for this
10:27<quitte>i was lucky enough to not say y on dist-upgrade earlier today
10:28<DTE>instead i did it :-P few days ago
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10:28<necra88> hey is ethere an apt-get for googles sdk for the google 1 android?
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10:29<necra88>or do i have to dpkg install -
10:29<dr|z3d>necra88: apt-cache search android
10:29<necra88>thank you
10:29<DTE>aother question...is it still worth using honeypots or much better use a vm?
10:30<necra88>nothing in common lol )=
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10:31<dr|z3d>necra88: There's your answer, re apt-get. :)
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10:31<quitte>DTE: depending on your jurisdiction you may not even setup honeypots
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10:31<DTE>quitte: jurisdiction?
10:32<quitte>DTE: also using vms became so easy that it's probably easier to just do it instead of considering the pros and cons
10:32<quitte>DTE: your local laws
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10:33<DTE>quitte: this is something new...is it somewhere illegal to run a honeypot?
10:34<quitte>DTE: i vaguely remember it being illegal here (germany)
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10:35<DTE>ah...never heard to be illegal here in italy
10:35<DTE>but i'll search a bit
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10:40<peej_>It's a catholic thing in Italy. You don't ask for permission, you ask for forgiveness.
10:41<techouse>can anyone tell me how to set the graphics driver to intel in xorg.conf when there is no more /etc/X11/xorg.conf file anymore
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10:41<cahoot>shouldn't need to
10:41<techouse>well...i started compiz and it goes dead slow
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10:41<techouse>dunno....it worked in ubuntu :P
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10:42<DTE>peej_: probably...i'll ask to pope
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10:45<cahoot>techouse: grep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log - see what video driver is used
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10:46<huhu>hello all, maybe you can help me for this issue: i want to filter a html file with perl or awk etc. for the lines between the <p> and </p> stuff -> 3 separat lines starting with p, ending with /p - i want the 2 line ?
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10:48<quitte>huhu: wouldn't htmltotext do the trick?
10:49<huhu>quitte: hi, dunno this one..
10:49<peej_>http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/298
10:51<peej_>one-liner if your screen is wide enough
10:51<huhu>quitte: maybe..but i think perl or awk is more flexible
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10:58<remu>hey folks, I'm running Debian Squeeze, I switched over from ArchLinux a little while back, and I have compiz installed. I noticed that emerald is not in the repositories. Does anyone know how I can go about installing it? I've been Googling for guides and what not, but I haven't had any luck so far.
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10:59<locklace>!dbugs 522935
11:00<dpkg>#522935:W[wnpp] RFP: emerald -- Window Decorator shipped with Compiz Fusion. (); Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:24:02 UTC []
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11:00<metaperl>I upgraded Debian/stable and now I'm getting "Address already in use" when trying to start apache2
11:00<locklace>remu: so meanwhile you can build it yourself
11:01<huhu>peej_: thanks dude, have to read it. i am concerned about the backspaces between the 1. line and kinda stuff, know what i mean ? cause its like just want to pick the sweet stuff out of something with 3 layers - a cake or something :D
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11:02<remu>locklace, thanks for that. I tried to build it myself, but I'm having dependency issues. I am installing the same version of emerald as the version of compiz installed on my system.
11:02<huhu>metaperl: hey maybe your name is my solution: hello all, maybe you can help me for this issue: i want to filter a html file with perl or awk etc. for the lines between the <p> and </p> stuff -> 3 separat lines starting with p, ending with /p - i want the 2. line ? you know how to solve this ?
11:02<remu>But I'm finding that there are a few packages that ./configure is complaining about, it says they are not the correct versions
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11:03<metaperl>huhu: I would use HTML::Tree on CPAN for that
11:03<locklace>remu: you'll likely need to install some -dev packages that contain headers/libs the emerald build will want
11:04<remu>oh
11:04<remu>the dev packages? thanks
11:04<remu>i saw that the regular package was installed
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11:04<remu>hopefully that should solve it for me, thanks locklace, i do appreciate it
11:04<locklace>remu: it should be fairly obvious what those are from the docs or from the output of "configure" or "configure --help" in the emerald source root directory
11:04<cwe_diem>tes
11:04<huhu>metaperl: dont know this. i want it as oneliner on bash or very little script. your suggestion are modules on <what is CPAN> ?
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11:05<metaperl>huhu: HTML parsing is a solved problem. Your answer is on search.cpan.org ... either that or ask at perlmonks.org ...
11:05<locklace>remu: yeah, library packages in debian are usually separated into normal and -dev versions, with the latter having the headers and build support necessary to use them for build-from-source dependencies
11:05<remu>thanks, thats good to know
11:05<remu>i've been spoiled by the archlinux aur, haha
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11:05<huhu>okay, thank you..
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11:06<locklace>remu: problem with arch is that packaging quality tends to be much more variable
11:07<locklace>there are lots of dumb things in arch packages, like putting all of samba in one package so that when something wants to use libsmbclient you get the whole lot, whether you want it or not
11:08<remu>oh I totally agree, which is why I'm here using Debian right now.
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11:09<remu>I started off with Ubuntu, used that for a year, felt it was a bit too much bloat for my personal liking, so I went to Arch....but I loved apt, so here I am with Debian, lol.
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11:09<remu>Thanks for all your help locklace, ./configure finished succesfully now that I knew to get the -dev packages
11:10<locklace>!congratulate remu
11:10<dpkg>Woohoo remu, you did it!
11:10<remu>ha, thanks
11:10<remu>I just have one question, since I don't normally build stuff myself, I normally just rely on binaries
11:10<remu>with the emerald source folder I have now.
11:11<remu>Can I remove it? Or should I tuck it away somewhere, or what?
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11:11<locklace>well, a more important question is where you told it to install stuff
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11:11<locklace>there are lots of ways to do this, but my advice when installing local packages from source is to segregate them off somewhere like /usr/local/pkg/<pkgname-pkgversion>
11:12<remu>I believe it put them in local
11:12<locklace>then you know for sure they haven't installed junk within the rest of your system, and you can easily get rid of the whole thing if you want to
11:12<remu>oh okay
11:13<remu>I mean, I see emerald in /usr/local/bin
11:13<remu>and I created a link to them in /usr/bin
11:13<locklace>yeah, putting them under /usr/local or another private dir is the minimum. even better is to do the above or use something like stow (useful if you're doing this kind of thing a lot)
11:13<locklace>!stow
11:13<dpkg>methinks stow is a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game. See the package "stow", http://www.gnu.org/software/stow or ask me about <stow usage>. Also ask me about <checkinstall>.
11:14<icebrain>why not use checkinstall and have a deb in the db?
11:14<locklace>anyway, once you've done "make install" you can rm -rf the source tree
11:15<huhu>an alle von vorhin: habs endgültig. mumbojumbo=zeugs in slang-englisch..
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11:16<remu>okay, thanks folks
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11:21<salman>greetings
11:21<salman>what tool can be used to scan for wifi hotspots in the console?
11:21<ehren>xfce question... I need to triple click (ie to open a folder in thunar or maximize a window) instead of double clicking... anyone know how to change?
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11:22<Lethalman_>salman, type iwlist scan
11:22<locklace>salman: iwlist
11:22<salman>thanks
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11:24<salman>quitte: locklace: I am upgrading to sqeeze now but there are 949MB of files to be downloaded.. this will take a while ..
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11:26<ehren>nm... it was just the click speed
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11:59<techouse>//j #compiz
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12:20<garth23>hi! Are there any Squeeze official torrents?
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12:20<abrotman>doubtful . they'd be out of date within a few hours
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12:24<garth23>Squeeze official torrents?
12:24<dr|z3d>Not such an outlandish idea.
12:24<abrotman>doubtful . they'd be out of date within a few hours
12:24<dr|z3d>Other distros manage.
12:25<abrotman>dr|z3d: it really is .. what would you like to torrent? the ISOs would be out of date within a few hours
12:25<garth23>but it should be quite stable , no?
12:25<abrotman>no
12:25<abrotman>i had 60MB of updates since last night
12:25<garth23>ah
12:25<abrotman>so you'd have to redo all the ISOs and then reseed or whatever they do
12:25<garth23>I didn't want to suck bandwidth
12:25<dr|z3d>abrotman: Nightlies seem like a reasonable idea to me.. sure, you might have to update once installed, but still.
12:25<garth23>but.. netinstall
12:25<abrotman>so use the netinst .. and upgrade as you go
12:26<abrotman>dr|z3d: there is a nightly netinst ..
12:26<dr|z3d>Yup.. I can see where you're coming from.
12:26<abrotman>hell .. you probably wouldnt' even finish getting an ISO via BT, and they'd already be regenerating new ones
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12:26<garth23>it seems that it leaves me in a limbo
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12:27<abrotman>garth23: why? use the netinst
12:27<garth23>it would be enough to have one a month and then update
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12:27<azeem_>w42
12:27<azeem_>oops
12:28<abrotman>someday i'll figure out what people have against the netinst
12:28<darsie>Hi! ist aptitude still up to date or ist there a successor?
12:28<garth23>the fact that you may remain in the middle of an install
12:28<abrotman>huh?
12:28<abrotman>darsie: there are alternatives, but Debian is still recommending aptitude
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12:29<abrotman>garth23: how do you "remain in the middle of an install" ?
12:29<garth23>without the possibility of doing nothing with the net (if you're so silly to put netinst in the installing dir!)
12:29<abrotman>the netinst does not require a working internet to get a working install
12:30<dr|z3d>netinstall + iso.
12:30<garth23>?
12:30<abrotman>the netinst does not require a working internet to get a working install
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12:30<garth23>??
12:30<abrotman>i'm not sure how that is confusing
12:31<dr|z3d>garth23: You can host an iso on another pc, and use that to install from, is what abrotman is saying, I think.
12:31<abrotman>no, not at all
12:31<dr|z3d>Or indeed host the iso in your cd drive?
12:31<abrotman>wtf
12:31<dr|z3d>Nevermind, then.. you explain to him, abrotman.
12:31<abrotman>garth23: the netinst has enough packages that you do not require the internet to get a functional/booting system
12:32<garth23>ah
12:32<abrotman>(assuming your NIC/wifi drivers are in the kernel i guess)
12:32<garth23>graphical?
12:32<garth23>you see?
12:32<abrotman>no, just a CLI login, but you can install the GUI later
12:32<abrotman>see what?
12:32<abrotman>how is that different than every other debian installer?
12:33<garth23>that's what ppl fear about netinstall: to have to predict the unpredictable!
12:33<garth23>or try to
12:33<themill>you what?
12:33<abrotman>garth23: you're not making sense
12:33<themill>!installer
12:33<dpkg>The Debian installer comes in many forms (CD1, netinst, business card, DVD), but the installer you use and the system you end up with is identical in each case. The only difference is when the packages are downloaded: if you grab the DVDs then you are downloading lots of packages that you might not need; if you download the netinst, then when you go to install packages using aptitude later on, they will be downloaded at that time.
12:34<garth23>what about installing lenny and shifting to squeeze?
12:34<themill>garth23: that's the recommended way of installing squeeze at present
12:34<garth23>ah, really?
12:35<bartm>garth23: yes, as themill said
12:35<garth23>wow
12:35<garth23>I already dloaded lenny 5.0.0 some time ago, so I'm ready to go!
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12:36<garth23>is there an online manual for the shift?
12:36<bartm>garth23: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
12:36<themill>and hope. That's an important one.
12:37<garth23>isn't it "aptitude safe-upgrade"
12:37<themill>you'd need a full-upgrade (a.k.a. dist-upgrade)
12:37<dr|z3d>Not if you want to upgrade release version.
12:37<dr|z3d>So, Lenny -> Squeeze, etc.. that's dist-upgrade
12:38<garth23>I want a dist upgrade from lenny to sqeeze, precisely
12:38<darsie>What does 'fu' mean? Such as in script-fu in gimp or the aptitude-fu keyword with the dpkg bot?
12:38<dr|z3d>darsie: Think kung-fu without the fighting.
12:38<themill>Unsurprisingly, "man aptitude" talks about this.
12:39<dr|z3d>darsie: It's another way of say "expert knowledge"
12:39<darsie>ic
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12:41<locklace>!tell garth23 about lenny->squeeze
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12:42<garth23>wow! !tell : cool!
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12:43<dr|z3d>!lart garth23
12:43*dpkg pulls out his louisville slugger and uses garth23's head to break the homerun record
12:43<peej_>suggestions for fun/useful things to do with a laptop with 266-MHz Pentium II, 64 MB RAM, 8.1 GB hard drive ?
12:43<abrotman>digital picture frame!
12:43<abrotman>peej_: set up Debian and give it to a kid?
12:43<garth23>!lart nothing happened
12:43*dpkg whips out a sword and chops nothing happened in half
12:44<garth23>ah, ok!
12:44<dr|z3d>peej_: Web proxy and misc net services.
12:44<peej_>abrotman, good ideas.
12:44<dr|z3d>peej_: Not a good idea with 64MB ram.
12:44<dr|z3d>A kid will take one look and laugh.
12:44<abrotman>peej_: depends if you mean at work or at home also ..
12:44<nix>peej_ is good to broke nuts ?
12:44<dr|z3d>Grow up fast these days, kids.
12:44<abrotman>dr|z3d: not if they are actually interested in computers
12:45<dr|z3d>abrotman: If they are interested in computers, they'll probably already have their own dualcore..
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12:45<locklace>peej_: that's more than enough power to use as a server for all kinds of things
12:45<peej_>dr|z3d, what's not a good idea with 64 MB? web proxy?
12:46<dr|z3d>peej_: No, pc for kid.
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12:46*ymorin killall gnome-volume-controla-applet, open alsamixer and set master/master mono and pcm to 84, 84, 84, open gnome-volume-control-applet and kill it... alsamixer tell = master 94, master mono = 84 and pcm = 74...
12:47<peej_>locklace, yup, but is it justified electricity billwise? I have no serverbox at home at the mo, so it might well be.
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12:47<abrotman>dr|z3d: nonsense .. not everyone is as rich as you
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12:47<locklace>peej_: depends whether you need a server. if so i'd say it's a fine fit
12:48<garth23>yes, often servers are pointless waste of power
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12:48<cahoot>if you really need it you'd not have ask I'd say
12:48<peej_>I think it'll be useful for serving up home web stuff, maybe firewalling.
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12:48<dr|z3d>abrotman: Oh that I were rich! :P
12:48<bartm>peej_: or for travel - who would steal it
12:49<locklace>peej_: and mail gateway, ssh access when you're away, etc.
12:49<garth23>only if you don't have a router
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12:49<peej_>hah, I *need* stuff all the time, but I am trying to think of fun/useful stuff I could do and wanted input because there are loads of good ideas around. I love the digital photoframe idea actually
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12:51<peej_>locklace, yup, that's stuff that needs little power and is immensely useful.
12:51<peej_>garth23, router? please elaborate?
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12:52<peej_>oh, firewalling
12:52<peej_>well, defense in depth?
12:52<peej_>nah, that complicates stuff needlessly for me
12:52<azeem_>w29
12:52<azeem_>bah...
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12:53<peej_>urk. How do I install debian on the wretched thing? arggghhh..... floppies.....
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12:55<mib_p9w7ud6g>hey guys
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12:56<mib_p9w7ud6g>anyone an expert here regarding wireless on debian
12:56<locklace>!ask
12:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:56<mib_p9w7ud6g>with a broadcom wireless card
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12:57<mib_p9w7ud6g>i can not scan for a wireless AP because everytie i do iwlist wlan0 scan
12:57<mib_p9w7ud6g>it says the network is down
12:57<locklace>maybe you didn't "ifconfig wlan0 up" or you're missing firmware
12:57<cahoot>mib_p9w7ud6g: usb or pci device?
12:57<mib_p9w7ud6g>i did not configure my internet during the installation of debian
12:57<mib_p9w7ud6g>pci
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12:58<cahoot>find its pciid
12:58<mib_p9w7ud6g>i did ifupwlan
12:58<mib_p9w7ud6g>ifup wlan0
12:58<mib_p9w7ud6g>started scanning but said the network was down when it was doing it
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12:59<peej_>mib_p9w7ud6g, start here: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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13:06<EmleyMoor>I am trying to generate DVD images using dvdstyler, but the program hangs as it tries to convert them... what exact format ought I to put the video files in in order to avoid converting them?
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13:09<mib_p9w7ud6g>14e4:4320 supported BCM4306 b43
13:09<Torsten_W>EmleyMoor, mpeg2
13:10<locklace>!b43
13:10<dpkg>[b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 not supported, ask about <wl> or <ndiswrapper>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net.
13:11<EmleyMoor>Torsten_W: OK, let me tell you what they are in now and maybe you can suggest how I get there... VIDEO: MPEG2 720x576 (aspect 2) 25.000 fps
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13:14<aj_>hey to all
13:14<aj_>how u doin
13:14<locklace>!u
13:14<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
13:14<aj_>im kinda new in linux lol ... so i need ur help in some thing pls
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13:15<aj_>example-fix.patch .... how can install this kinda file ? pls
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13:15<abrotman>aj_: what are you patching, and why?
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13:15<aj_>its new fix for problem in aircrack-ng package
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13:15<aj_>i use backtrack
13:15<locklace>!backtrack
13:15<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.remote-exploit.org/backtrack.html #remote-exploit on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
13:15<aj_>and i dont know how i can install it or patch it pls
13:16<abrotman>aj_: you're asking in the wrong place
13:17<aj_>why :( ?
13:17<aj_>i thought u r linux users lol
13:17<abrotman>because this channel is for Debian
13:17<aj_>yea my backtrack is based on debian too
13:17<EmleyMoor>!bod
13:17<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
13:17<abrotman>aj_: this channel is for Debian, not based-on-debian
13:17<aj_>its the new backtrack 4 based on ubuntu 8.10
13:18<abrotman>aj_: go to #remote-exploit on irc.freenode.net
13:18<aj_>okay fine ... thanks any way ... but u still could had help me ... thanks anyway bye
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14:12<xenolalia> Hi. Every time I reboot squeeze, audio is muted. I can unmute it, but I don't want to have to do that every time I boot my machine. I'm using gnome, and I've tried fooling around with alsa settings, gnome applets, etc., to no avail.
14:12<valdyn>xenolalia: is linux-sound-base installed?
14:12<xenolalia>Yes.
14:13<valdyn>xenolalia: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base, set it to alsa if it isnt
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14:13<valdyn>xenolalia: alsactl store saves volume settings, alsactl restore loads them
14:13<valdyn>xenolalia: but all should be done by your /etc/init.d/alsa* automagically
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14:16<akn>how do i install adobe acrobat reader through repositories?
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14:16<valdyn>!dmm
14:16<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>.
14:16<valdyn>akn: ^^
14:17<xenolalia>akn, sudo apt-get install acroread
14:17<valdyn>judd: versions acroread
14:17<judd>valdyn: acroread -- etch-multimedia: 8.1.3-0.0 lenny-multimedia: 8.1.7-0.0 squeeze-multimedia: 9.1.3-0.2 sid-multimedia: 9.2-0.1
14:17<valdyn>still just in dmm
14:18<valdyn>akn: you might just want to use a less bloated pdf viewer
14:19<dr|z3d>evince, for example.
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14:19<valdyn>akn: one that fits into your desktop environment
14:20<veni>hallo
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14:20<akn>thank you.
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14:24<xenolalia>valdyn, Thanks very much. I just took a look at my /etc/init.d/alsa-utils and I'm going to restart now, and see if the problem is fixed. If not, I'll return with a pastebin link to my /etc/init.d/alsa-utils to see if you have any suggestions. Thanks!
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14:29<xenolalia>valdyn, unfortunately, that didn't seem to work. Here's my /etc/init.d/alsa-utils: http://pastebin.com/m472d39e7
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14:38<po>ciao
14:38<po>!list
14:38<dpkg>po: VATTENE VIA
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14:42<peej_>akn: xpdf is even more lightweight
14:42<locklace>!factinfo list
14:42<dpkg>list -- created by za <~za@62.252.236.75> at Wed Aug 14 22:34:06 2002 (2621 days); last modified at Wed Mar 25 18:10:36 2009 by stew!i=1413@freenode/staff/stew; it has been requested 1039 times, last by po, 3m 52s ago.
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14:43<xenolalia>valdyn, I just went ahead and removed all the instances of mute in my /etc/init.d/alsa-utils. I'm going to reboot, and see if it works. Thanks very much!
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14:49<xenolalia>valdyn, Commenting out all instances of "mute" in /etc/init.d/alsa-utils seemed to do the trick. Thanks very much!
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14:57<ymorin>do I need to made a IP static when it's inside apache2 virtualhost or can I use dhcp? seems like apache2 can't start when computer is booting... but I can start it manually in a shell
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15:01<martin__>hey guys
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15:01<steffan>martin__: Hi
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15:02<martin__>i am trying to connect to the internet using my wireless card. i have setup the drivers properly but i do not know how to connect to the router. i can do a scan for the router but i do not know how to connect to it
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15:02<martin__>using the command line
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15:02<steffan>!wireless
15:02<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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15:03<locklace>martin__: man iwlist iwconfig
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15:06<martin__>going to disconnect the eth0 and try the wireless again
15:06*ymorin will try to hardcode eth1...
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15:09<junior>boa tarde galera
15:10-!-junior is now known as Guest1536
15:10<Guest1536>meu debian está travando o ambiente gráfico quando eu chego na tela do GDM ( ela nem aparece, fica tudo preto)
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15:11<locklace>!br
15:11<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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15:14<yansanmo>ok, found the problem, allow-hotplug was not working with good eth interface
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15:20<martin__>did not work
15:20<martin__>so i set the interface to dhcp
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15:22<martin__>how do you know if you are connected to a router in debian besides pinging
15:23<valdyn>martin__: you dont "connect" to routers, you use them
15:23<valdyn>martin__: maybe you mean access point
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15:24<martin__>yes sorry access pooint
15:24<martin__>point
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15:24<valdyn>martin__: "iwconfig" would list it
15:24<valdyn>martin__: like: Access Point: 00:90:4C:7E:00:64
15:25<martin__>ok
15:25<martin__>yea just say not-associated
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15:27<martin__>everytime i do this aswell to give the password for the access point
15:28<martin__>iwconfig wlan0 key mary
15:28<martin__>Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :
15:28<martin__> invalid argument "mary".
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15:31<martin__>anyone ever get that error
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15:36<locklace>martin__: you aren't reading "man iwconfig" carefully enough
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15:54<martin__>even when i put in what the man page tell me i get the same error: iwconfig wlan0 key s:password [2]
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15:59<mib_fa923r1k>hello all , does anyone have a tutorial on how to connect to a access point in debian using the command line or gnome. i have the wireless card setup now since i am am to do a wireless scan
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16:03<mib_fa923r1k>anyone know
16:03<hopchewer>Hello, does any one know how to configure a sound card in lenny on amd64? I run #alsaconf and it configures it but I have to run everytime I reboot since changes don't take. Also video mplayer doesn't see the sound card as set up.
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16:03<stranger-h>know what ?
16:04<mib_fa923r1k>how to connect to an access point using gnome or the command line
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16:04<mib_fa923r1k>just got my wireless card setup with scanning
16:04<mib_fa923r1k>searched on the net but could not find one
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16:08<cahoot>mib_fa923r1k: I'd suggest wicd
16:09<mib_fa923r1k>cahoot: what is wicd
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16:09<cahoot>mib_fa923r1k: try aptitude show wicd
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16:10<mib_fa923r1k>i never thought it would be so hard to setup wireless on linux
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16:10<diego>test
16:10<mib_fa923r1k>i thought setting up the drivers was hard
16:10<dr|z3d>mib_fa923r1k: Shouldn't be. wicd and ndis-wrapper are two tools you may find useful.
16:10<diego>hi, grub was updated to grub2, now I have grub first to be able to test grub2
16:10<diego>grub2 is not showing my windows system
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16:10<diego>and can't find the files to configure it correctly
16:11<diego>if I run upgrade-from-grub-legacy I would loose windows boot :(
16:11<hopchewer>Nobody knows how to setup soundcard in debian. How about where to find the info to set one up.
16:12<diego>hopchewer: alsa ?
16:12<cahoot>hopchewer: you mean it's not set up already?
16:12<hopchewer>No
16:12<dr|z3d>!audio
16:12<dpkg>it has been said that sound is ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <ac97>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts>, <devdsp>, <rs>.
16:12<hopchewer>I have to run #alsaconf everytime I boot
16:12<cahoot>hopchewer: cat /proc/asound/cards - none shown?
16:12<dr|z3d>diego: Try supergrub perhaps.
16:13<dr|z3d>diego: also update-grub might be worth a shot.
16:13<cahoot>hopchewer: install alsa-utils
16:14<diego>if I run update-grub2 , does it change my mbr ?
16:14<hopchewer> the results of cat /proc/asound/cards: 0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
16:14<hopchewer> HDA NVidia at 0xfce78000 irq 21
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16:14<cahoot>hopchewer: installed alsa-utils?
16:15<hopchewer>alsa-utils is installed
16:15<diego>its finding a lot of old kernels ...
16:15<diego>didn't find windows :(
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16:16<cahoot>hopchewer: what's the symtom that makes you run alsaconf each boot?
16:16<hopchewer>#alsaconf sets it up but I have to set it up everytime I reboot. Also mplayer gives error that soundcard is not installed.
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16:17<cahoot>hopchewer: what version of debian?
16:17<hopchewer>When I boot up and click on volume I get an error that the sounc card is not configured
16:17<hopchewer>Ther version is Lenny
16:18<cahoot>hopchewer: run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 (as root)
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16:20<hopchewer>Ok, I ran it: Resetting ALSA card 0...done.
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16:20<cahoot>hopchewer: now speaker-test -t wav -c2
16:21<hopchewer>this is what I get: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
16:21<hopchewer>Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy
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16:22<cahoot>hopchewer: (as root) fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp*
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16:23<hopchewer>Here is the output: USER PID ACCESS COMMAND
16:23<hopchewer>/dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: hopchewer 3874 F...m firefox-bin
16:24<cahoot>hopchewer: youtube running?
16:24<cahoot>or some other flash
16:24<hopchewer>yes, youtube and flash runs and the cd player but not videoplayers like mplayer and Movie Player
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16:25<cahoot>kill flash and try mplayer
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16:25<hopchewer>The sound in the video players doesn't run but video does
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16:25<hopchewer>how do I kill flash
16:25<cahoot>close ff for the moment
16:26<hopchewer>how do I restart it after?
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16:26<cahoot>firefox?
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16:26<hopchewer>iceweasle
16:26<cahoot>close iceweasel for the moment then
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16:27<jpinx-eeepc>!tell hopchewer about alsa-checklist
16:28<hopchewer>ok, I quit ice weasle and tried to run mplayer but got error that could not open/initialize audio device
16:29<cahoot>hopchewer: (as root) alsa force-reload; /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0; mplayer
16:29<hopchewer>what's alsa-checklist?
16:29<jpinx-eeepc>hopchewer: did you see that checklist?
16:30<jpinx-eeepc>qdid you even read it?
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16:32<hopchewer>cahoot I ran ran alsa force... and mplayer sound still giving me the error.
16:32<hopchewer>where/how do I find alsa-checklist to read it?
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16:33<cahoot>hopchewer: too bad - hopfully jpinx helps you out
16:33<jpinx-eeepc>dpkg messaged it to you
16:33<dpkg>jpinx-eeepc: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
16:33<hopchewer>alright thanks cahoot.
16:33<jpinx-eeepc>!alsa-chacklist
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16:33<jpinx-eeepc>hopchewer: ^^
16:34<jpinx-eeepc>!alsa-checklist
16:34<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
16:34<jpinx-eeepc>hopchewer: ^^
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16:35<hopchewer>dpkg: you mean log out of Debian or as root?
16:35<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
16:35<jpinx-eeepc>as user
16:36<jpinx-eeepc>!what am i
16:36<dpkg>*squeak!* get away from me, you freak!
16:36<jpinx-eeepc>!bot
16:36<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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16:39<hopchewer>gotta go! the Eagle are playing. I'll try back later.
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16:57<darsie>Hi! Is there a 'download only' mode in aptitude such as -d with apt-get?
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16:58<abrotman>darsie: man aptitude
16:58<darsie>thx :)
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17:01<stroyan>abrotman: Sometimes it can be really difficult to scan a man page and match up a feature from one tool to another. For example, apt-get has 'download only' mode selected by '-d'. But aptitude has 'download only' mode that is selected by '-d'.... :-)
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17:02<darsie>I just scanned the menu.
17:02<abrotman>stroyan: searching for the word 'download' makes sense ?
17:03<stroyan>abrotman: Actually, the aptitude and apt-get options are identical. I attempted a (really weak) joke.
17:04<darsie>I understood the joke :)
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17:05<abrotman>stroyan: oh ok
17:06<darsie>having a menu or key option to download only would allow installing some packages and download only other packages with one invocation of aptitude. The -d command line switch obviously forces download only for the whole session.
17:07<darsie>That's why I was looking for an interactive way.
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17:57<matt987>Hey guys, I'm trying to install kmuddy and I keep getting the following error when trying to make: make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop.
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17:57<matt987>Any idea what could be going wrong?
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17:59<sney>it hasn't generated a makefile yet, is my guess
17:59<sney>did you do ./configure?
17:59<matt987>I didn't, I did cmake . though, which is all the install directions called for.
17:59<matt987>I'll try ./configure
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18:00<sney>well follow the instructions if it's nonstandard
18:00<matt987>Yeah, the instructions just said to cmake . then make install.
18:00<matt987>But there is a configure file in the directory.
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18:02<matt987>Yeah, still getting the same error after running ./configure
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18:03<sney>does cmake or the configure script report any errors?
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18:04<matt987>The only error it reports is that there is no cmake_minimum_required command present which it then says is a warning for project developers.
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18:06<sney>matt987: you should check the kmuddy forums, they would know better than me why it isn't generating a Makefile
18:06<AzaToth>I'm trying to figure out why after using for example svn-buildpackage, all normal files in the svn dir in my terminal emulator has changed background color
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18:07<matt987>Will do, sney, thanks.
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18:07<AzaToth>if this is an feature, I dont know at all what the feature implies :(
18:08<AzaToth>I don't even know if it's related to svn at all
18:08<sney>file colours in the terminal are usually based on permissions and file extensions
18:08<AzaToth>sney: yea
18:08<sney>it's not a very smart system, though. it could mean nothing.
18:08<AzaToth>nothing in ownage and perms have been changed
18:09<AzaToth>all normal files just get light blue background after for example svn-buildpackage
18:10<AzaToth>and only in active subdir, and in new terminal windows as well
18:10<matt987>Heh, I suppose it would pay for me to read the entire error log, not just what is visible on the screen immediately. =/
18:10<sney>matt987: I guess there was another error, huh?
18:10<matt987>./configure: line 2: kde4-config: command not found
18:10<matt987>CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-2.6/Modules/FindKDE4.cmake:35 (MESSAGE):
18:10<matt987> ERROR: Could not find KDE4 kde4-config
18:11<matt987>Haha, pretty critical, that.
18:11<sney>yep, you don't have kde dev packages
18:11<AzaToth>?file kde4-config
18:11<sney>I usually maximize terminal windows when I build stuff, just so important things have less of a chance of scrolling out of view
18:11*AzaToth thought there was an apt-file command though the bot
18:12<matt987>Is that stuff going to be in kdelibs4-dev or kdelibs5-dev?
18:12<sney>what do you think
18:12<AzaToth>
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18:12<matt987>My guess would be 4. :D
18:12<sney>!tias
18:12<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See"... or what you could have done first.
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18:12<AzaToth>matt987: actually, neither one of them
18:12<AzaToth>kdelibs-bin: /usr/bin/kde4-config
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18:13<sney>he'll still need the dev packages to build a source package that requires kde, though.
18:13<AzaToth>use the apt-file search
18:13<AzaToth>sney: yea
18:13<AzaToth>but that wasn't the issue ツ
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18:13<matt987>Yeah, but there's no kde4-config package...
18:13<sney>one probably pulls the other as a dep anyway
18:13<AzaToth>matt987: it's in above package
18:14<matt987>Ahh. kdelibs-bin?
18:14<necra88>does anyone know the sourc to add for googles sdk on android? so i can apt-get it or should i just install the tar.gz
18:14<AzaToth>!file kde4-config
18:14<matt987>Sorry for being such a novice... just switched to Debian recently. =/
18:14<matt987>!file kde4-config
18:14<abohasan>فيكم عرب يا شباب
18:14<sney>abohasan: english only please
18:15<abohasan>ok
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18:15<necra88>does anyone know the sourc to add for googles sdk on android? so i can apt-get it or should i just install the tar.gz
18:15<abohasan>why not??
18:15<sney>abohasan: because this is an english support channel. other languages have different channels.
18:16<AzaToth>!find kde4-config
18:16<dpkg>Debian Search of 'kde4-config' (2): (/usr/bin/kde4-config) in libs/kdelibs-bin ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/kde4-config) in debug/kdelibs5-dbg.
18:16<abohasan>do you have an arabic one??
18:16<matt987>Thanks, AzaToth.
18:16<themill>didn't we have the answer to what package kde4-config was in about 5 minutes ago?
18:16<sney>abohasan: I don't know.
18:16<AzaToth>themill: not from the "right source"(tm)
18:17<Hukka>!ar
18:17<dpkg>somebody said ar was argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina, or #debian-ar on irc.oftc.net.
18:17<abohasan>thanks
18:17<matt987>Yes, you did, but I didn't know the command for finding a file in a package via IRC.
18:17<matt987>That is helpful. :D
18:17<Hukka>Hm, no... that's argentina
18:17<AzaToth>hehe
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18:17<abohasan>i'll try E
18:17<themill>matt987: it's faster to install apt-file than use dpkg for that
18:17<AzaToth>!languages
18:17<dpkg>please speak english when in #debian so everyone can understand you. If you want to use another language, join #debian-<countrycode>
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18:18<AzaToth>themill: dpkg can't be used for uninstalled pkgs
18:18<sney>AzaToth: he means the bot
18:18<sney>don't abuse the bot.
18:18<AzaToth>ah
18:18<AzaToth>didn't _abuse_ it ツ
18:19<Hukka>AzaToth: He means matt987
18:19<AzaToth>sney: you still doesn't have a clue what my color change indicate?
18:19<Gold24>!sa
18:19<dpkg>SpamAssassin is a <spam> filter utilizing content matching rules. Read /usr/share/doc/spamassassin/README.Debian.gz after package installation. If installed, <razor> will be automatically used. http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/FrequentlyAskedQuestions http://spamassassin.apache.org/ #spamassassin on irc.freenode.net.
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18:19<Gold24>ok guess not
18:19<sney>if you're going to guess at country codes, /msg dpkg first so you don't just spam the channel with useless stuff
18:19<abohasan>I have a problem with DOS Emulator
18:20<Gold24>well i wasn't guessing at country codes
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18:20<Hukka>Blah, ar should be for arabic
18:20<AzaToth>Hukka: country code
18:20<Hukka>The channels should be based on languages, not on countrycodes...
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18:21<AzaToth>true
18:21<sney>and sa should be for saudi arabia, and eg should be for egypt. but they're not. so don't just trigger the bot with guesses.
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18:21<AzaToth>sney: and how should he know that there isn't a channel for saudi?
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18:21<Hukka>sney: Is there a list somewhere?
18:22<dondelelcaro>Hukka: /msg dpkg help
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18:22<Hukka>Couldn't find one on debian.org or oftc.net
18:22<sney>yes, you can /msg dpkg your guesses rather than doing it in the channel
18:22<AzaToth>Hukka: /list #debian-*
18:22<themill>Hukka: there are also country-based organisations for debian (think #debian-uk) so both country based and language based makes sense. Pity the codes overlap though.
18:23<matt987>!file FindKDE4Internal.cmake
18:23<matt987>Hm.
18:23<Hukka>Hm, I've grown wary of /list ages ago, since it usually taxes the server so much you get kicked... But here goes
18:24<AzaToth>hehe
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18:26<nix>hi
18:26<nix>i instaled apache2 + php5
18:27<nix>but it seems afater i restarted apache the php still not works ..
18:27<nix>what should i do ?
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18:28<matt987>It's now saying it cannot find "FindKDE4Internal.cmake...
18:28-!-angelabad [~angel@6.85-87-96.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
18:28<matt987>And I see no packages containing that file.
18:29<Hukka>matt987: My apt-file finds one
18:29<Hukka>matt987: Maybe you should use that instead of the bot
18:30<matt987>Mine finds nothing...
18:31<adb>aptitude update
18:31<Hukka>It's on kdelibs5-dev
18:31<Hukka>apt-file update too
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18:48<themill>!qotd0
18:48<dpkg><hotdog> how do i join the debian channel?
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18:52<yansanmo>hotdog: /join debian
18:53<noflash>now that's funny :))
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19:44<Gun_Smoke>Which locales are required to properly display exponents? ie 8^2
19:45<Sebastian_>If Aurelien Jarno is here: Big thanks for looking at Bug#550625 and requesting a fix, waiting for the update now :)
19:45<themill>Gun_Smoke: so that it looks like 8²
19:46<Gun_Smoke>the-dude, yes.
19:46<Gun_Smoke>themill, ^
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19:48<themill>Gun_Smoke: that's not really a locale setting -- to type the character, /msg dpkg compose. To see the character, set any utf-8 locale and use a decent font. To get anything other than ² and ³, you've got to use something other than plain text anyway.
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19:48<jpinx-eeepc>² on mineis Alt-Gr 2
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19:49<themill>yeah, or Compose ^ 2
19:49<jpinx-eeepc>¹²³ all just AltGr1,AltGr2,AltGr3
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19:50*jpinx-eeepc wonders what compose is
19:50<themill>In general not that useful for maths though. Powers of 1 2 and 3 only get boring after a while.
19:50<themill>jpinx-eeepc: we've had this conversation before! (/msg dpkg compose)
19:50*jpinx-eeepc has a short memory ;)
19:51<Sebastian_>ah btw. When a package gets a non-security update in stable, how long does it usually take to be included in the package updates?
19:51<themill>Sebastian_: not until the next point release
19:52<jpinx-eeepc>Ah - now I remember why I forgot - it uses windows keys, don't have those
19:52<Sebastian_>themill: ah, ok. Any idea how long the next one is away? Weeks or months or more than half a year?
19:52<themill>jpinx-eeepc: doesn't have to. I use capslock
19:53<jpinx-eeepc>themill: ok - but not sure what the advantage is over AltGr ?
19:53<themill>Sebastian_: there have been 8 point releases for etch since it was first released and 3 for lenny. Generally, the happen every few months.
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19:54<Sebastian_>ok
19:54<Sebastian_>thanks!
19:54*Sebastian_ hopes the next one will happen soon :)
19:55<themill>jpinx-eeepc: many many more key combinations are possible. See /usr/share/X11/locale/*/Compose
19:55<Gun_Smoke>Sebastian_, what do you need? Is it available in backports?
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19:55<Sebastian_>Gun_Smoke: Many users of Tor are affected by a bug in libc6
19:55<themill>Sebastian_: packages for point releases are normally available through stable-proposed-updates for a while beforehand (although you don't necessarily want everything from there)
19:56<Sebastian_>Gun_Smoke: so while I could update the package (I run squeeze anyways, so the bug doesn't affect me), it doesn't really help my users ;)
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19:57<Gun_Smoke>nope.. little time..
19:58<Sebastian_>Are you talking to me? If so, I don't get what you're trying to say, sorry :)
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19:58<Gun_Smoke>Sebastian_, nope, nothing but give it a little time.
19:59<Sebastian_>yeah, sure
19:59<Sebastian_>I'm happy enough the bug was accepted and will be fixed
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20:06<Gun_Smoke>AltGr? Forgive my ignorance, I'm on a thinkpad. I have no idea what that refers to.
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20:07<dr|z3d>Right Alt key, Gun_Smoke
20:07<necra88>stupid question my printscreen button doesnt work with debian.. anyone know?
20:07<necra88>is it cnrl print screen or shift?
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20:07<Gun_Smoke>or <Fn> ?
20:07<Gun_Smoke>dr|z3d, thanks.
20:07<necra88>my home/and printscreen are same button with prtsn in a lil box
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20:10<phpc0>anyone to assist in counter strike umm things please let me kno lol
20:10<abrotman>maybe ask a better question
20:12<phpc0>counter strike vac2 invisable
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21:07<sdhoeppner>wget of remote directory fails, all the file names have a comma in them. What do I do?
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21:09<abrotman>is that why they fail?
21:09<sdhoeppner>example: http://www.wonbyonetojamaica.com/files/Media/ALBC,%20PHBC/Day%201a%20(4).jpg
21:10<sdhoeppner>i get that when I paste the url here but not into putty
21:10<sdhoeppner>it's failing iether due to comma or spaces
21:10<sdhoeppner>idiot web admins....
21:10<sdhoeppner>amateurs actually, just ignorant
21:11<abrotman>but you don't know how to make it work correctly ..
21:11<sdhoeppner>commas and spaces in file names....
21:11<sdhoeppner>that's correct
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21:11<sdhoeppner>wget fails when it hits that comma
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21:12<sdhoeppner>actually, when I do the %20 for spaces, it fails with HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
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21:14<sdhoeppner>i don't use wget that often so I'm no expert, but this seems like pretty basic stuff here. I'm trying to grab all the JPGs from this charity website directory for my sister who is working for this charity this past week.
21:14<abrotman>you must be an amateur with wget ...
21:14<sdhoeppner>you just going to sling mud or help?
21:15<sdhoeppner>do pros put commas in their file names?
21:15<sdhoeppner>no
21:15<sdhoeppner>idiocy
21:15<necra88>http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4AIM85M1
21:15<dr|z3d>sdhoeppner: httrack is a good place ot look.
21:15<necra88>if anyone wants to try g1 google android os
21:16<sdhoeppner>does wget require a directory listing be present on the remote web server to be able to get all the files in the directory?
21:17<abrotman>has nothing to do with the commas .. and wget tells you that
21:17<sdhoeppner>I ask because the index.html file in the remote directory is basically empty, cept the D3D announcement
21:18<abrotman>and you started the mudslinging
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21:19<sdhoeppner>DTD i mean, not S3S
21:19<sdhoeppner>sjdjfsa;fjak;
21:19<sdhoeppner>not D3D
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21:19<sdhoeppner>abrotman: who did I sling mud at?
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21:23<f1x3r>hmm
21:23<f1x3r>helllo gentlemen
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21:34<drakeman>hello, im using debian squeeze, can anyone help me, i dont have audio, my audio was working fine, then after install the package from repos netbeans-ide, now i dont have audio and i get a message that says The audio playback device Nvidia CK804 with alc 655(Nvidia CK804) does not work.
21:34<drakeman>Fallin back to default.
21:36<marcosRz>In my research / work we use the 'ubuntu' platform, but one of the things that piss me off is the upgrading in 6 to 6 months... (I like rolling releases + stability, something hard) I'm thinking on reusing debian, do ubuntu change any hierachy/politicc in the structure of pkgs installed, for instance they all use /usr/lib/jvm....? Or ubuntu has changed this hierarchy?
21:36<drakeman>anyone have any idea? if it remember the package -netbeans-ide installed some alsa package, maybe that was the problem but i dont know im not sure.
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21:37<sney>!alsa checklist
21:37<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
21:38<Xenguy>Triskelios: I'm more confused about chroot and how to properly use it (I am booting from a liveCD, and I want to use that to chroot either / or /boot in order to fix GRUB). Does that make sense?
21:38<sney>marcosRz: if you're interested in the structure of a debian package, you can download the deb and extract it yourself
21:38<Xenguy>Hi - when I boot, I am getting just the output 'GRUB' -- that's it. I think what I need to do is edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, but I'm pretty sure for this to work I also need to use 'chroot'. Here's my setup: /boot is on /dev/sda1 ; / is on /dev/sda2. Am I correct that I need to mount and chroot the '/' partition (/dev/sda2), then edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file (which lives on a different partition) ? Or am I supposed to chroot the partition that
21:38<calam>a question please? as I know if the Debian version you installed is the stable or unstable
21:39<abrotman>calam: package/kernel versions and your sources.list
21:39<drakeman>sney, i can hear the noise with the wave file.
21:39<sney>!beer drakeman
21:39*dpkg pulls out an excellent Spaten Pils for drakeman
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21:39<drakeman>but, why i have problems with an mp3, can i uninstall the package who causes the problem? because i think the package have a bug.
21:40<sney>Xenguy: you're almost there. after chrooting into your / partition, mount your /boot partition under it normally using mount. Then edit your file
21:40<jeflui>calam, lsb_release -a
21:40<marcosRz>sney, I've run many distros, but I like to combine a work/research distro + personal things... and debian testing is very similiar in pkgs version that we use in the research
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21:41<sney>I also like debian testing
21:41<calam>jeflui that command in Terminal
21:41<marcosRz>I hate the fact of 'upgraindǵ into 6 to 6 months
21:42<jeflui>calam, yes
21:42<marcosRz>I'm a very difficult customer for a distro... LOL
21:42<sney>Debian upgrades periodically as well, but not on a strict timetable .. Debian's release schedule is "when it's done"
21:42<marcosRz>I like to run stable and standarized dev tools but bleeding-edge tools for media (mplayer...)
21:42<Xenguy>sney: thank you for the confirmation, I'm going to have a look at it right now (I'll let you know how it goes)
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21:42<sney>the current Debian Testing will eventually be frozen into the new Stable, and then there will be a new Testing after that.
21:43<calam>jeflui tells me "bash: lsb_release: command not found"
21:43<drakeman>if i cant hear the noise.wav why i cant hear audio from youtube, mp3files,
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21:43<sney>if you like having bleeding-edge stuff, you can run a Testing/Unstable mix, which is a Testing sytem at its core but you are able to install packages from Unstable when you want to
21:44<marcosRz>thats what I'm talking about :D
21:44<marcosRz>In the lab that I work thers lot of heterogenity in os
21:44<drakeman>sorry uadio fom mp3 files ?
21:44<marcosRz>Theres a debian fanatic there.
21:44<abrotman>drakeman: which players are you using for each ?
21:45<jeflui>calam, cat /etc/debian_version
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21:46<calam>jeflui 5.0.3
21:46<drakeman>abrotman, it looks like the problem is with totem because vlc can play the files, but totem was workig fine, and i dont know why now i get that message from kde in the start, everything after instlaled the netbeans-ie package who installled some alsa package with (1bug)
21:46<abrotman>!version
21:46<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
21:46<abrotman>drakeman: there was a gstreamer update todayt
21:47<drakeman>abrotman, dont remember, any way to know that'
21:47<drakeman>?
21:47<abrotman>/var/log/dpkg.log
21:47<jeflui>calam, stable ( lenny )
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21:48<calam>yes lenny
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21:49<calam>jeflui and the terminal will not let me download anything
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21:51<jeflui>calam, aptitude update ?
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21:51<abrotman>calam: what do you mean? what command are you using, and what is the error?
21:51<drakeman>abrotman, maybe ---> 09-10-18 01:15:03 upgrade libgstreamer0.10-0 0.10.24-1 0.10.25-2
21:51<abrotman>maybe
21:52<drakeman>abrotman, or --- > 2009-10-18 01:15:06 status unpacked gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad 0.10.14-4
21:52<f1x3r>you guys trying to upgrade the flash player? coz flash is flaky for me too
21:52<abrotman>drakeman: there were like 10 ..
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21:53<drakeman>abrotman, but, is a bug then?
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21:55<drakeman>or maybe a bug?
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21:58<abrotman>maybe .. i think my sound still works
21:59<calam>ifvoid I did the aptitude udpate but still will not let me download any package
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21:59<drakeman>abrotman, my sound works, but not from totem, from youtube, vlc, it works fine but i dont know hwy that message now from kd.
21:59<drakeman>kde*
22:00<abrotman>drakeman: have you tried restarting ?
22:00<abrotman>calam: what is the error it gives ?
22:00<drakeman>abrotman, ---> The audio playback device Nvidia CK804 with alc 655(Nvidia CK804) does not work.
22:00<drakeman>yes.
22:01<sney>drakeman: if you can play sounds then clearly it is not a hardware problem
22:01<calam>abrotman "E: Could not find package"
22:02<drakeman>sney, totem problem?
22:02<drakeman>totem-gstreamer? im using kde righ now.
22:02<sney>drakeman: so stop saying that your playback device does not work
22:02<sney>since that isn't what's wrong
22:03<abrotman>calam: what paackage are you trying to install ?
22:03<drakeman>sney, ok
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22:05<calam>abrotman oppenoffice.oreg i trying not let me and also with libcurl3
22:05<abrotman>calam: the package is "openoffice.org"
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22:06<calam>abrotman Not the way I wrote something happens on my Machine
22:06<f1x3r>openoffice.oreg?
22:07<abrotman>calam: the package is "openoffice.org"
22:07<abrotman>O R G .. not oreg
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22:08<calam>abrotman I am writing too well that and tried with others and similarly
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22:08<calam>that I also try to get ktorrent and I did not leave
22:08<abrotman>!paste
22:08<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
22:08<abrotman>show us
22:08<abrotman>also put your /etc/apt/sources.list in the pastebin
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22:09<Gun_Smoke>pastebint it should get recommended there.
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22:10<Gun_Smoke>oh how about that.. lol
22:10<necra88>does anyone have problems with vnc?
22:10<necra88>for some reason i cant connect to my iphone like i can with my windows os.
22:11<abrotman>Gun_Smoke: he can't install anything else .. what makes you think he'd be able to install that ?
22:11<calam>abrotman to run /etc/apt/sources.list "Permission Denied"
22:11<abrotman>calam: 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list'
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22:12<drakeman>hey guys what can be the problem beacuse with skype i cant hear anything either! it has pulse audio configured..
22:12<drakeman>it says pulseaudio server
22:12<calam>abrotman No such file or directory
22:13<abrotman>calam: yes .. type it again
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22:18<drakeman>i think the problem is with pulseaudio.
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22:20<Gun_Smoke>I don't remember the last time someone said that pulseaudio wasn't the problem.
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22:20<drakeman>Gun_Smoke, mmmm, but skype had that pulse audio set in the audio device and doesnt work, and it works before pulseaudio
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22:21<Gun_Smoke>Get rid of it.
22:21<drakeman>Gun_Smoke, let me login and logout :D
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22:23<drakeman>Gun_Smoke, the problem is gone now...
22:23<drakeman>the problem was pulseuadio
22:23<drakeman>lol!
22:24<Gun_Smoke>It always is.
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22:24<drakeman>the thing is why pulse audio have to be with netbeans-ide package in debian, mm maybe im going to install it from www.netbeans.org
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22:24<drakeman>abrotman, sney everything is working fine now
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22:25<Silicium01>Hi everyone, for some reason, I change timezone in gnome but it is not being saved
22:25<Silicium01>What am I missing?
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22:27<Silicium01>anyone?
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22:29<sney>!wait
22:29<dpkg>If no-one has answered your question to your satisfaction, please wait 10 minutes before asking again. Please don't whine about your problem, about the channel, about Debian, Linux, or anything else. Just wait 10 minutes and then ask again. Ask me about <repeat> and <ask>.
22:30<abrotman>!set the time
22:30<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior.
22:30<Xenguy>sney: unfortunately no joy yet -- rats...
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22:31<Xenguy>sney: I did the chroot routine and edited /boot/grub/menu.lst...
22:31<sney>did you run update-grub
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22:32<Xenguy>sney: I changed the hd0,0 instances to sd0,0...
22:32<sney>!fixmbr
22:32<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode> and <dual boot guide>.
22:32<Xenguy>sney: yes, ran /usr/sbin/update-grub
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22:33<Xenguy>sney: OK, so does fixmbr mean changing strategy from 'repair' grub to 'reinstall' grub then?
22:33<sney>Xenguy: they are functionally the same thing
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22:34<Xenguy>ah, OK
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22:34<Xenguy>sney: BTW, context is that I just cloned a IDE drive to a SATA drive using 'dd' and 'gparted'. It seemed to go smoothly, but I'm just being tripped up by the grub problem, which I don't have much experience with
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22:35<sney>ahh, yes that wouldn't go easily
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22:35<Xenguy>I'm a little tired now, but I'm hoping I've still got enough wits about me to finish the job before bedtime
22:35<sney>then again, sometimes fresh eyes in the morning are the best way to fix a problem
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22:36<Xenguy>sney: so what's the core issue tho; if I dd'd everything, shouldn't I just be able to edit the menu.lst file (this is what a knowledgeable fellow on another channel recommended) ?
22:37<sney>you should be able to edit the menu.lst then run update-grub and grub-install /dev/sda
22:37<sney>and it *might* work
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22:39<Xenguy>sney: I've done menu.lst and update-grub; do I need a chroot to do grub-install /dev/sda, or no ?
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22:39<sney>it's best to do it from within your chroot environment
22:40<Xenguy>sney: OK, I'll try that then (and it's /dev/sda and not /dev/sdaN ?)
22:40<sney>right, it's the whole drive not a partition
22:41<Xenguy>sney: tx, let me give that a shot, and see
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22:51<Xenguy>sney: I get a 'grub-probe' error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sda. Check your device.map
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22:53<Xenguy>sney: the 'device.map' file contains only 2 lines...
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22:54<Xenguy>(hd0) /dev/hda
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22:54<Xenguy>(hd1) /dev/hdd
22:55<Xenguy>so I assume these need to be edited/corrected to point to the new SATA drive?
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22:55<Xenguy>sney: and if so, do I need to run any further grub commands after I'm done editing the file?
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22:57<sney>Xenguy: device.map should update itself after you run update-grub. the only file you need to edit is menu.list
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22:58<Xenguy>sney: hrm, so perhaps I should double-check menu.lst, and try those grub commands again :-/ I'm rather out of my depth here I think
22:59<sney>Xenguy: it's certainly not the "usual" way to install a new system.
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23:00<sney>I would have suggested to back up /home and any conf files you worked on, then install fresh on the new drive
23:00<Xenguy>sney: true, but I chatted with people who said they had done it successfully - and really, it seems to have worked, except for GRUB, which is proving rather unruly if you ask me
23:00<sney>you could also try lilo I suppose.
23:00<Xenguy>sney: well I can always reinstall if it comes to that, but this system was highly configured and will be a pain to recreate from scratch
23:01<adb>!bootcd
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23:02<Xenguy>If only I understood GRUB better -- it can't be that hard to get this drive bootable surely
23:02<Xenguy>unless GRUB just plain sucks :P
23:03<sney>GRUB is pretty good. GRUB2 is probably better, but I don't totally understand it yet. LILO was limited but very easy
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23:04<Xenguy>yeah I like LILO, but it's been so long that I don't think I can entertain the idea of hacking my system that way
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23:04<Xenguy>I think I'm going to damn the torpedos and edit 'device.map' :P
23:04<drakeman>good nite.
23:04<sney>you can always edit it back if it breaks things more
23:05<Xenguy>hehe, yes, it is already backed up
23:05<sney>actually wait a minute
23:05<sney>this livecd you're booted into, it has network access correct?
23:05<sney>you could remove grub with apt, clean /boot entirely, and reinstall grub
23:06<sney>and it may well detect your new configuration and set itself up accordingly
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23:06<Xenguy>sney: the box with the GRUB issue does not currently have network access
23:06<Silicium01>sney, I am using NTP service, but that is a workaround
23:06*Xenguy reads further...
23:07<Silicium01>I dont understand why gnome wont save the changes when i change time, date or timezone
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23:07<Xenguy>sney: hrm, that's a good idea -- are you around for a little while if I decide to go that route?
23:07<Xenguy>:-)
23:07<sney>Silicium01: I don't use gnome. therefore I don't have an answer for you.
23:07<sney>Xenguy: yeah I'm probably not going anywhere
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23:08<Xenguy>sney: OK, I'm going to try a few fixes, and then I'll be back before too long
23:08<abrotman>silibleh
23:09<phpc0>anybody know anything about counter strike source, ive been offered a pretty sweet gig to make one that works, i don't play it so i dont care, if any advise let me know
23:09<Xenguy>abrotman: what are you on about? You're supposed to be getting me out of this GRUB jam :P
23:09<phpc0>counter strike source hack*
23:09<phpc0>or should i tell them im not gonna do it
23:09<phpc0>im no gamer
23:10<sney>!offtopic
23:10<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic
23:10<abrotman>Xenguy: not you
23:10<Xenguy>abrotman: OK, hehe
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23:10<Xenguy>phpc0: take the money and run -- you're doing the right thing, find a partner -- quick! :-)
23:10<phpc0>haha right on, they ae offering 5,000
23:11<abrotman>Xenguy: what did you do to your system ?
23:11<phpc0>im like holy shit
23:11<abrotman>then ask them for help
23:11<phpc0>they dont know how thats why they want to hire me because i sevice all their shit for cheap
23:12<Xenguy>abrotman: you may remember a convo on that other channel with mhall - I've cloned an IDE drive to a SATA drive using 'dd' and 'gparted' -- so far so good. But now GRUB is (of course) giving me grief: I just get the proverbial 'GRUB' when it boots -- nothing else
23:13<abrotman>Xenguy: you'll have to boot with a liveCD and chroot and update-grub and grub-install
23:13<Xenguy>abrotman: yes, did that but it gives an error message saying check my 'device.map'
23:13<abrotman>which says ?
23:14<Xenguy>abrotman: the 'device.map' file contains only 2 lines...
23:14<abrotman>sure ..
23:14<Xenguy>which are obviously wrong
23:14<abrotman>so edit them
23:15<Xenguy>so I guess I'm going to edit the file to correct, since I don't know what else to do
23:15<abrotman>so try it .. can't get any worse ?
23:16<Xenguy>abrotman: true, I can always re-install, but I *really* don't want to (and I feel like I'm close to succeeding if I can conquer GRUB)
23:16<abrotman>just try it
23:16<Xenguy>will do
23:21<Xenguy>abrotman: heh, new errors, but at least they're different :P
23:22<abrotman>such as ?
23:22<Xenguy>/boot/grub/device.map:1: error: Bad drive name [repeated 5 times], then...
23:22<Xenguy>The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
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23:22<Xenguy>yeesh
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23:23<Xenguy>that error was after /usr/sbin/grub-install /dev/sda
23:23<abrotman>you may need to bind mount /dev/ ?
23:23<Xenguy>hrm
23:23<abrotman>FWIW .. i've used the supergrub disk before with pretty good success
23:23<Xenguy>abrotman: you mean when I do the chroot?
23:23<abrotman>yeah
23:23<abrotman>game over
23:23*abrotman waves
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23:25<Xenguy>!supergrub
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