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---Logopened Wed Oct 21 00:00:03 2009
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00:10<dbldtx>Q: I have a Palm Pre and an old laptop with USB 1.1 (Compaq Presario 2100) which has Debian Squeeze and Blackbox installed. XFCE and LXDE had no problems mounting the Pre automatically via USB. What needs to be done in Blackbox to enable this? I've checked out USBMOUNT, USBUTILS, USBVIEW already...
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00:12<dbldtx>Can not open the file /proc/bus/usb/devices ; verify you have USB compiled into your kernel, have the USB core modules loaded, and have the usbdevfs filesystem mounted - I'm not sure if this is my problem... I think it is, I just found this.
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00:17<curtis>Hi, I switched my stabled repos to testing, then continuted to do a dist-upgrade. All packages downloaded fine, and during the replacement process, I accidently exited the terminal. Now when I boot up, it's stuck at the gnome login screen and I can't move the mouse and keystrokes don't respond. Any ideas?
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00:18<dbldtx>Curtis; Maybe try to log in using ALT+CTRL+F2 instead of logging into gnome... if you can log into that, you can $> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --fix-missing
00:19<curtis>I tried, it's not letting me.
00:19<curtis>I tried that at the login screen, then while the daemons were loading...no luck.
00:20<dbldtx>alt+ctrl+[f1-f6] are extra ttys and then f7 is the one you're using now. That's a bummer - I don't know if you hosed your system, I'd bet there's hope for you yet but I am very unsure where to proceed from here.
00:20<dbldtx>When you 'get stuck' at the gnome login screen, you can't alt+ctrl+f2?
00:20<curtis>No
00:20<curtis>I'll try the other keys just in case...but nothing has been responding.
00:21<dbldtx>Sorry to hear.. I wish I could help you further.
00:21<amdgoon>curtis: don't let gnome start when you boot
00:21<curtis>How do I do that?
00:22<amdgoon>do you get the grub menu at boot time?
00:22<curtis>Yes
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00:22<amdgoon>just a sec
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00:23<curtis>dbldtx: It's ok...I was being dumb and when comparing the blacklist that it proposed to install, I thought I had a text editor open and clicked X. Arg.
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00:23<curtis>I should have done the upgrade w/o a GUI in the first place =/
00:25<stew>curtis: stop gdm from starting by temporarily taking it out of /etc/rc2.d or renaming it from a S to a K
00:25<amdgoon>I believe no X runlevel is runlevel 3. 2 is with X in recent debian installs. put a 3 at the end of the kernel line when grub comes up
00:25<stew>curtis: you can do this from single user mode
00:25<stew>amdgoon: the no X runlevel is 1 aka single user
00:25<stew>amdgoon: 2-5 would all do the same unless he's gone out of his way to set it up somehow differently
00:26<amdgoon>not on any debian install I have done
00:26<amdgoon>2 = multiuser with network, 3 adds X
00:26<curtis>Ok let me try that
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00:26<stew>amdgoon: that's fine if you've set it up that way, but you shouldn't expect that he has done anything differently than the default, which is to have 2 be the defualt and 2-5 all be identical
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00:29<rahul>is cdimage.debian.org defunct?
00:29<rahul>or just down?
00:30<stew>neither
00:31<a>how do you see who's chatting in the room?
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00:32<rahul>a: that is more appropriate of a question in a channel specifically for your irc client
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00:32<a>rahul: ok
00:33<rahul>well, I can't ping or http to cdimage.debian.org
00:33<rahul>bleh
00:33<amdgoon>stew: ok I must have set that up years ago. 2-5 are same by default. so curtis will need to use single runlevel. my mistake.
00:34<curtis>I think I've got it working now...I didn't realized single user mode would simply dump me into a console login...
00:34<rahul>damn it. I'm trapped in windows, it seems
00:35<rahul>since I need linux to install debian any way that I seem to be able to access :\
00:35<curtis>So i'm plugged into my router to reconfig the packages...I'll post back...thanks for the help!
00:35<curtis>Haha, ok, it's back to where I accidently exited. All is good!
00:35<faheem>rahul: you could get someone else to burn cds for you
00:36<rahul>faheem: cdimage.debian.org will probably be back up by the time that happens
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00:36<faheem>rahul: it isn't down
00:37<stew>rahul: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#mirrors
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00:38<rahul>stew: ah. didn't scroll down that far
00:39<rahul>there we go, 350 KB/sec. thanks.
00:40<rahul>ohh I see, there's no indication that there are other mirrors on the netinst html page
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00:43<rahul>also, is there a package for an i386 build of mozilla in the amd64 port yet?
00:44<rahul>or is the port of the flash plugin stable... don't think there's anything else binary-only I'm going to need
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00:45<faheem>rahul: flash works on amd64
00:46<faheem>for some browsers, anyway
00:46<rahul>if it works in firefox, I'm fine
00:46<faheem>rahul: yes
00:46<rahul>faheem: ok, thanks
00:46<faheem>also epiphany
00:47<faheem>i think that is flash non-free though
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00:48<rahul>faheem: that's fine. I don't carry a picture of RMS in my wallet :)
00:48<stew>the free flash implementations have been working on amd64 longer than the non-free ones fwiw
00:48<lingp>how do i connect to windows domain from my ubuntu 9.10? any idea?
00:48<rahul>stew: not a surprise, actually
00:48<rahul>lingp: samba
00:49<lingp>how abt likewise-open?
00:49<faheem>stew: ok. not tested the alternatives extensively
00:49<faheem>what is the recommended flash plugin these days?
00:50<faheem>rahul: i meant that was the name of the package, or something similar
00:50<rahul>that probably depends on who is doing the recommending
00:50<rahul>faheem: sure. I can find stuff if I know it's there
00:50<faheem>rahul: flashplugin-nonfree
00:51<faheem>the last time i tried free flash plugins they didn't work
00:51<faheem>but it's been a while
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00:56<lingp>hi, how do i connect to my server from my ubuntu? could you please help. i'm pretty new to this linux
00:57<kenyon>!ubuntu
00:57<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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01:03<a>how do you shrink a partition in gparted?
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01:05<rahul>nooooooooo!
01:06<rahul>my rtl8111 onboard ethernet isn't supported by the installer?
01:08<faheem>rahul: have you checked more recent kernels?
01:08<faheem>are you using lenny?
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01:09<rahul>I think this is the latest stable installer
01:10<faheem>rahul: there are installers for testing
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01:10<faheem>using more recent kernels
01:10<rahul>faheem: yeah, might need to use that :\
01:10<stew>judd: pciname rtl8111
01:10<judd>stew: 'rtl8111' matched: [1043:8168] 'Realtek PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (RTL8111B)' from 'ASUSTeK Computer Inc.', [10ec:1631] '7003 Onboard RTL8111 on GA-8SIML Rev1.0 Mainboard' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.', [10ec:8168] 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.', [10ec:1462] '238c Onboard RTL8111b on MSI P965 Platinum Mainboard' (1 more message)
01:10<stew>judd: pciid 1043:8168
01:10<judd>stew: [1043:8168] is 'Realtek PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (RTL8111B)' from 'ASUSTeK Computer Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1043:8168
01:10<stew>"no known kernel module in lenny or in sid". means that a testing installer is not likely to do any better
01:11<rahul>lovely
01:11<jm_>kmuto has 2.6.30 lenny installer
01:12<rahul>judd: pciid 10ec:8168
01:12<judd>rahul: [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168
01:12<rahul>that's the one I have, actually
01:13<rahul>I guess it's not part of the installer?
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01:22<rahul>oh, I skipped the load components step... let's see if that fixes it
01:22<rahul>score! sorry for the noise
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01:33<rahul>hmm. do you think it would make much of a difference to create multiple partitions on an SSD?
01:33<sney>probably not
01:34<cupcake>is there a way to remove icedove extensions or reinstall icedove easily?
01:34<rahul>cupcake: tell your package manager to reinstall it...
01:34<cupcake>an extension update failed and i cant see file/edit or back/forward buttons or status bar
01:35<sney>most mozilla software has a 'safe mode' command line switch
01:35<sney>google for it, should be pretty obvious
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01:38<rahul>hmm, I might want to create a /var partition with smaller inodes
01:39<rahul>nah, not enough small files in there to make a difference... plenty of big files from downloads and logs...
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01:40<a>rahul: what is SSD?
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01:41<eak>hi
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01:43<rahul>a: solid state drive
01:44<a>i'm trying to resize a partition in gparted for an fsx drive. the option is not available for some reason. can you help me?
01:45<a>sorry I mean xfs
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01:46<rahul>you can only grow an xfs file system last I checked
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01:47<rahul>I think they were working on something to do with xfs_fsr compacting the inodes down and then allowing a shrink
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01:48<a>rahul: oh I see
01:48<a>rahul: thanx
01:49<rahul>a: I think it's in the XFS FAQ, too
01:49<EmleyMoor>I'm new to Bluetooth on Linux - my new laptop has Bluetooth but I can't work out how to make Debian see it - it's a Dell 365 module. Any advice?
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01:51<rahul>EmleyMoor: what have you tried so far?
01:53<rahul>ehm, where do I tell the installer to use testing packages?
01:54<EmleyMoor>rahul: Tried using the Preferences, Bluetooth Analyser, hcitool scan... tried modprobe btusb (with and without reset=1)
01:55<rahul>EmleyMoor: do you know which kernel module your bluetooth controller actually needs?
01:56<EmleyMoor>rahul: No. What I have tried is based on what I have googled - but I do know it seems to be a Broadcomm chip
01:56<EmleyMoor>Broadcom
01:56<rahul>EmleyMoor: why does it seem that way to you?
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01:57<rahul>EmleyMoor: have you looked at the output of lspci?
01:57<EmleyMoor>Because lsusb shows 0a5c:4500 Broadcom Corp.
01:57<rahul>ok, it's a usb bt dongle
01:58<rahul>I would think udev would load the driver for the device automagically, then
01:58<EmleyMoor>Well, not-dongle
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02:01<rahul>yay, the installer screwed up
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02:02<rahul>does the installer support root on LVM?
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02:04<EmleyMoor>If you can get it to manage LVM at all...
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02:07<rahul>wtf
02:07<rahul>I thought that was a huge part of this release
02:09<faheem>rahul: what do you mean, support root?
02:09<faheem>lvm has worked with the installer for a long time.
02:09<sney>he means / on a lvm volume
02:10<faheem>sney: that's been possible like forever
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02:10<faheem>unless i'm missing something
02:10<sney>no you're right
02:10<faheem>you didn't use to be able to put /boot in lvm
02:10<faheem>i heard that with grub 2 that is now possible
02:10<sney>just you didn't seem to realize that 'root on lvm' is the same thing as '/ on lvm' and I was making sure you got that
02:10<sney>so we didn't have the extra confusion run-around
02:11<faheem>sney: well, i didn't know what he meant by that
02:11<faheem>sney: ok
02:11<EmleyMoor>Installer couldn't even set up lvm on wy laptop - so I have gone for traditional partitioning
02:11<faheem>EmleyMoor: should work
02:11<faheem>if not, file a bug report
02:12<EmleyMoor>Ah - that could be a problem - it's an unsupported installer
02:12<rahul>when I boot, it can't mount the root fs
02:12<faheem>EmleyMoor: why are you using a unsupported installer?
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02:13<rahul>I don't know if the problem is initrd being a dumb idea or the installer not doing the right things to get lvm started before mounting root fs
02:13<EmleyMoor>faheem: Because (though it didn't actually work) I was planning to use my otherwise unsupported wlan0
02:13<faheem>EmleyMoor: i see. custom installer.
02:13<faheem>rahul: are you using grub 1 or grub 2?
02:14<faheem>try putting /boot outside the lvm volume
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02:16<rahul>faheem: does the installer even have grub?
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02:16<rahul>it only presented the option to use lilo
02:16<faheem>rahul: yes
02:16<rahul>I don't think /boot is the problem... it got the kernel and initrd loaded fine
02:17<rahul>so here I am, with 4800*3 bogomips and that's all
02:17<faheem>rahul: it used to be the case that is /boot was in lvm, it would only present lilo as an option
02:17<faheem>i haven't experimented with the lenny installer
02:17<rahul>faheem: ok, I guess that's the installer version I have
02:17<faheem>i remember this from etch
02:18<rahul>this is lenny
02:18<rahul>so nothing has changed, I guess
02:18<faheem>rahul: right. but worth a try if you are having problems
02:18<faheem>unless someone here has a better idea
02:18<rahul>well, creating a separate /boot isn't much of a problem
02:18<faheem>i heard grub 2 is not subject to this limitation, but i've not tried it
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02:18<faheem>i think lenny is using grub 2 on new installations, right?
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02:19<rahul>it actually gives me a nice warm and fuzzy feeling
02:19<faheem>rahul: ?
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02:19<rahul>I don't think I've ever had a system that didn't have a separate /boot
02:19<faheem>rahul: oh, ok.
02:22<gsimmons>faheem: No, GRUB Legacy is the default GRUB choice in lenny's d-i.
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02:23<faheem>gsimmons: i see. can one choose to use grub 2?
02:23<gsimmons>Sure.
02:23<faheem>rahul: that's an alternative. but people have had problems with grub 2.
02:23<jm_>but you need to install it manually later
02:24<faheem>jm_: so not an option at install?
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02:24<faheem>probably smart to be conservative here
02:24<jm_>faheem: not that I know - i twill be default from now on
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02:24<jm_>i.e. next release
02:24<faheem>rahul: anyway, that is most likely your problem, then
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02:25<faheem>jm_: ok. thanks.
02:25<gsimmons>faheem: Sorry, that choice is only given in expert mode IIRC.
02:25<rahul>I was in expert mode...
02:25<faheem>gsimmons: ok. i had a vague memory of grub 2 installing itself.
02:25<palama>cw
02:25<faheem>on some machine. i don't pay much attention unless it gives me problems
02:26<faheem>gsimmons: yes, i normally use expert mode. more options
02:26<faheem>gsimmons: it is the default in expert mode? i don't remember being asked.
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02:26<faheem>gsimmons: is it, sorry.
02:27<gsimmons>faheem: No.
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02:27<faheem>gsimmons: hmm. ok
02:27<faheem>i guess expert mode doesn't change defaults...
02:28<rahul>hmm, I need to enable the elevator for one disk, and disable it for another
02:29<rahul>actually, I might as well disable it totally... won't be doing much that's performance intensive on the other one
02:29<EmleyMoor>Only outstanding thing on the laptop now: bluetooth
02:29<rahul>although I think my partition needs to be aligned differently with this SSD
02:29*EmleyMoor will research during today
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02:59<OddTod>hey guys I have a terminal i need to change the password on it uses a distro of linux that i'm not familiar with but i wanted to know typically where a Disc On Chip(DOC) would be in /dev. I realize this isn't a pure debian question but simply looking for direction to look in thanks
03:00<sney>most weird storage devices end up being treated as scsi
03:00<sney>so unless it's plugged into an IDE interface, look in the sda/sdb/etc department
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03:05<OddTod>sney thank you I'll take a peek. I'm not sure where it connects to. there are two different models one with DOC and the other with CF - IDE the CF ones are really simple.
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03:42<antik>yo
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03:43<antik>lmao how do i change the chat channel
03:43<antik>??
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03:47<antik>hello??
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03:48<hachi>this may seem like a bad question, but how can I install debian etch?
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03:48<hachi>I'd like to use it to test some things on
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03:48<hachi>I'm looking for a netinst iso or anything, just not finding one
03:48<antik>umm lol sorry idk what that is
03:49<jm_>!etch iso
03:49<dpkg>Links to Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 ("Etch") installation images are provided at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ Note that Etch has been superseded by Lenny, ask me about <install lenny>. See also <errata etch> and <install guide>.
03:49<hachi>thanks jm
03:49<antik>is ne one running a distro through vmware??
03:50<antik>?
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03:52<antik>ne one here running linux on vmware??
03:53<antik>im running backtrack 4 n jus had a few questions
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03:54<antik>???
03:54<echonox>how do I get Iceweasel to recognize IRC links properly to be launched with xchat in Debian Lenny XFCE Live?
03:54<hachi>shouldn't you be asking the backtrack folks for help?
03:55<echonox>don't know who they are or where to find them
03:55<antik>ha ya but no ones on there channel
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03:56<antik>echonox,, you running linux through vmware?
03:56<echonox>I've gotten as far as Iceweasel to open xchat but it won't open the proper channel, how do I correct this?
03:56<echonox>antik, no
03:56<echonox>running it from a Live DVD
03:56<EmleyMoor>Everything now works on my new laptop except Bluetooth - I won't be able to try anything more until I get back home, but if anyone can offer advice on how to get a Dell 365 module working on Debian I will take notes and try it
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03:57<antik>ohh gotcha,,
03:57<antik>can you save stuff with your live cd?
03:57<echonox>temporarily
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03:58<echonox>will be able to have persistancy after I create custom USB
03:59<antik>ya thats what i wanna do with "backtrack 4" right now im running it through vmware
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03:59<echonox>so I have "network.protocol-handler.app.irc set to '/user/bin/xchat --url=%s'
04:00<echonox>antik, are you using the guide over at www.pendrivelinux.com ?
04:01<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to have a multiarch USB key, allowing installation of either i386 or amd64?
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04:01<echonox>EmleyMoor, not that I know of
04:01<antik>umm na havent checked that out,, ive just been looking @ guides at remote-exploit,, cause they make backtrack 4
04:02<echonox>anyone any clues on my irc protocol issue in Iceweasel?
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04:06<gsimmons>EmleyMoor: This was raised on the debian-boot mailing list a few weeks ago. Implementation in iso-scan is required.
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04:07<ybana>hi all .. I have been gooling for alc655 ICH 5 sound card (old card) ..it's not working .. Hown can I fix ??
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04:08<echonox>how does one remove a Content Type in Iceweasel ?
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04:08<chocolat888>Hi everybody, have a good day o/
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04:10<echonox>is my syntax incorrect?
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04:33<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... think I've found the answer to my Bluetooth problem - will ask here when I get home if I need any hints with implementation
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04:38<kmonk>hello
04:38<kmonk>i have problem :( no /dev/cdrom /dev/cdrw and /dev/sg0 "is not a block device"
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04:39<kmonk>compilied own kernel, but i believe all the scsi and cdrom modules are there, not sure though
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04:39<kmonk>naturally something's not there, or it would work >_<
04:41<wvsfxr>How do I change the resolution of my text-console? 1366x768
04:42<kmonk>here's a pastebin of my lsmod-output if anyone wants to help' http://pastebin.com/m5c0dfccc
04:43<kmonk>wvsfxr. adding vga=791 or such... will change the resolution of the terminal's output assuming your kernel has framebuffer support :)
04:44<wvsfxr>kmonk: How is this value put together?
04:45<kmonk>not sure, that's just the one i use... looks good... tap that onto the end of your bootup command in grub or lilo
04:46<wvsfxr>Ok! You also have a 1366x768 display?
04:46<kmonk>gah no sorry
04:47<wvsfxr>Ok, I'll see at next bootup. ;)
04:48<kmonk>hold on
04:48<kmonk>http://blog.vigstrom.se/2008/09/grub-vga-modes.html
04:49<kmonk>various display modes.
04:50<kmonk>vga=795 1280x1024 at 24bit.. seems a little overkill lolz
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04:51<wvsfxr>That's the VESA resolutions.
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04:53<kmonk>correct
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04:56<kmonk>stupid cdrom... it's just -not- there! ... but it is! but it isn't... im going crazy.
04:57<kmonk>must be some kinda module misisng or something *mutter mutter*
04:57<jm_>kmonk:what kind of cd-rom?
04:58<kmonk>dvd-rw
04:58<kmonk>lite-on
04:58<jm_>ide/sata?
04:58<kmonk>ide
04:58<kmonk>scsi
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04:58<jm_>which driver do you use for your ide controller?
04:58<kmonk>apati
04:58<jm_>no, tell me the name of the driver
04:58<kmonk>dunno'
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05:00<jm_>check dmesg output
05:01<kmonk>that's alot of output
05:01<jm_>put it on pastebin
05:01<kmonk>ok
05:03<kmonk>http://www.pastebin.org/46634
05:04<kmonk>i compiled the kernel myself, so that's probably has something to do with it
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05:05<jm_>do you have scsi cdrom support in kernel?
05:05<kmonk>i believe so
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05:06<jm_>check if sr driver exists
05:07<kmonk>would that show up with lsmod?
05:07<jm_>if it's a loaded module then yes, otherwise no - see also /proc/devices
05:07<jm_>module is called sr_mod or srmod or somesuch
05:08<kmonk>yup yup
05:08<kmonk>ls
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05:08<kmonk>oops heh
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05:08<jm_>it's best to use a debian kernel, find out which drivers you need then configure your kernel based on that
05:08<kmonk>not showing under lsmod sounds like a winner
05:09<jm_>then verify your kernl config
05:09<kmonk>/proc/devices has "sr" under block devices
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05:10<jm_>ok so you do have it
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05:10<kmonk>there's a /dev/sg0 but it's "not a block device" which is my usual device
05:10<kmonk>dont stress too much :>
05:10<jm_>but none of your drivers detected a cd-rom device, might be one of those weirdo sata/ide cases
05:11<kmonk>for sure
05:11<jm_>i.e. two drivers clashing over it
05:11<kmonk>maybe i'll try recompiling without legacy sata support.. hmm
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05:12<jm_>seriously, go with debian kernel and base your config on that
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05:13<kmonk>base it from the debian kernel config?
05:14<kmonk>i'll look into it. thanks jm_ ^_^
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05:15<jm_>kmonk: well base it on drivers debian kernel loads
05:17<kmonk>read them from lsmod / dmesg ... makes sense. but. how do i correlate that output into the kernel configuration manager, it all seems a little confusing to me sorry :)
05:17<jm_>well you'll need to do that manually
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05:18<kmonk>guess i'll just have to remember all the uh driver names O_O
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05:19<kyzeus>!list
05:19<dpkg>kyzeus: VATTENE VIA
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05:21<locklace>dammit!
05:22<locklace>i won't rest until i find out if that guy was italian
05:22<locklace>ahaha. tuttoirc is an italian irc portal
05:22<locklace>!shoot locklace
05:22*dpkg blows locklace away with an Elephant gun loaded with Badgers
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06:33<wvsfxr>How do I change the resolution of the text-console to 1366x768?
06:34<jm_>wvsfxr: use fb drivers or kms
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06:56<x3dre>What do I do here -
06:56<x3dre>The following packages have unmet dependencies.
06:57<x3dre> cups: Conflicts: cupsddk-drivers (< 1.4.0)
06:57<x3dre>E: Broken packages
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07:05<smhar>greetings
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07:07<smhar>how can I replace debian packages installed using dpkg -i with packages from repos so that I can keep them updated using apt-get upgrade?
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07:08<jm_>smhar: apt will do that automatically if newer versions are available in repositories (and you don't use keep back functionality)
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07:10<Slonko>hi, need some help, I have a debian system (Linux GESBC 2.6.25 #23 Wed Aug 27 22:28:51 EDT 2008 armv5tejl GNU/Linux). It has no udev, I dont know why. When I plug in a FAT32 USb stick I get all the right messages including "sda: sda1" but no /dev/sd* node is created???
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07:10<sakura>hello, i have some problem with nfq_unbind_pf() on Debian 2.6.30.4 (kernel as User Mode Linux), this is my source code in C - http://pastebin.com/m7fcc9535 and output http://pastebin.com/m63cd498e ( NFNETLINK answers: Device or resource busy), could you help me?
07:11<jm_>create sda* devices by hand if you're not using udev
07:11<dzjazooma>I'm trying to run a program from the bash-prompt. However I get the error 'bash: No such file or directlry". Permissions are OK (same as other executables in the same dir, which do execute just fine). What could be wrong?
07:11<sakura>every modules are compiled with kernel
07:11<jm_>dzjazooma: what does "file program" say?
07:12<dzjazooma>./htoclean: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
07:12<Slonko>OK thanks is that with mknod? can u give me an example?
07:13<jm_>and your system is also x86?
07:13<dzjazooma>pentium T7200
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07:13<dzjazooma>so I guess yes
07:13<jm_>Slonko: use /dev/MAKEDEV instead
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07:13<jm_>run dpkg --print-architecture
07:14<dzjazooma>jm_: you are talking to me?
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07:14<jm_>dzjazooma: sometimes
07:14<smhar>jm_: great, thank
07:14<dzjazooma>jm_: I mean the dpkg --print was for me?
07:14<jm_>dzjazooma: yup
07:15<dzjazooma>jm_: ah, thanks.
07:15<dzjazooma>i386
07:15<blast_hardcheese>Anyone have any recommendations for Debian tutorials that my 13 year old brother will understand/enjoy?
07:15<blast_hardcheese>I want to get him started on Python
07:16<jm_>so that's all correct - try using LD_DEBUG to find out what loader outputs when you run it
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07:17<jm_>i'll be back in 15 minutes
07:17<dzjazooma>jm_: you mean that I should look at its content? Is it an environment var?
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07:19<dzjazooma>jm_: I'll see you then in 15 minutes
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07:22<smhar>I have compize installed but how do I actually run it?
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07:23<Slonko>Thanks jm_ did MAKEDEV /dev/sda1 and it works
07:23<smhar>because it just blanks the screen when run
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07:33<jm_>dzjazooma: yup, "LD_DEBUG=all ./program" and it'll spit out a lot of stuff
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07:37<smhar>ok.. it runs now.. but how to stop it and go back to normal desktop options
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07:45<smhar>I tried compiz off and compiz stopbut it is still working
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08:23*EmleyMoor has forgotten which factoid is about building a patched version of a package
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08:27<gsimmons>EmleyMoor: "package recompile", possibly.
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08:28<EmleyMoor>gsimmons: That's it
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08:56<FilipeMaia>Has anyone noticed the latex menu in emacs becoming empty?
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09:08<mathz>hi
09:10<mathz>con somebody write something?
09:10<mathz>i musst check out my preferenecs
09:10<petemc>!test
09:10<dpkg>epic test fail
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09:25<makkan>I have a console only lenny system that uses the inittab entry "1:2345:respawn:/bin/login -f YOUR_USER_NAME tty1 </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1
09:25<makkan>to autologin
09:26<makkan>but for some reason it randomly ends up on other ttys after boot. Sometimes it autologins on tty1 but it I can also end up on tty5 with a login prompt. Are there any possible answers to this behaviour?
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09:31<lancelot_of>hi all
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09:33<lancelot_of>after xscreensaver starts up, on recovery keyboard does not work and i need to right click my mouse on the screen in order to make things coming back working...any suggestion?
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09:39<DTE>hi
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09:40<DTE>i have some problems with sid apche and php
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09:41<DTE>i'm not able to use php pages
09:41<DTE>but if i write a info.php it works
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09:43*themill wonders what "not able to use php pages" really means
09:43<DTE>i have an app written in php (dokuwiki)
09:43<DTE>and everytime i try point to it, i get the download page
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09:43<themill>!php wants me to download still
09:43<dpkg>Carefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verified that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload (Apache 1.x).
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09:45<DTE>if i create a php page with phpinfo it works and i see all the infos about php
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09:47<themill>DTE: right, so there's nothing wrong with your php installation. It's either a proxy or your browser. Do what dpkg just said.
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10:00<lancelot_of>hallo?
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10:35<bremner>Is there a tool in lenny that can print out the little yellow comments in PDFs? acroread doesn't seem to, so maybe there is no hope.
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10:39<dr|z3d>bremner: evince, perhaps?
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10:40<themill>bremner: you can tell acroread to print them out as a summary at the bottom of the document (not as useful as it sounds, but it's as close as I've ever got)
10:40<bremner>dr|z3d: unfortunately evince just shows a little yellow bubble, without text
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10:50<smhar>greetings
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11:03<astronut>why does my fn+f12 not suspend this laptop like it does on my old one? i don't see anything out of place in /etc/acpi
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11:05<astronut>/etc/acpi/hibernatebtn should call /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh which calls pm-hibernate which works when i run it mnaully
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12:58<Newbie16>Hi
12:58<Newbie16>is it possible to modify a specific application's permissions so it can't access certain files?
12:59<rahul>um, what happened to /dev/fb0? isn't udev supposed to create that?
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12:59<Newbie16>i was thinking that i could use sudo with a wrapper script to launch the app as a user with limited access
12:59<rahul>Newbie16: run it as a different user without access to those files, or even better, run it in a chroot jail, and then it can only access certain files
12:59<the-dude>Newbie16: yes
13:00<rahul>many files are accessible to all users on the system
13:00<Newbie16>rahul: i want to stop firefox accessing the sound card
13:00<Newbie16>its a firefox bug which causes sound to stop working
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13:00<rahul>heh
13:01<peej>rm the user from group audio?
13:02<Newbie16>no i want to still use the sound card
13:02<rahul>I doubt he wants to stop the user all together
13:02<Newbie16>just thinking about how i could allow the flash plugin to access the sound card but not firefox
13:02<Newbie16>rahul: yea a limited user for just running firefox
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13:03<peej>make firefox owned by another user, then add that user to group audio, the remove firefox user from the audio group ? what an embarassing workaround though ;)
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13:04<Newbie16>peej: no, run firefox as another user which cannot access the sound card, my other apps will be able to use the sound card
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13:04<Newbie16>but i'm wondering about how flash can have sound
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13:05<rahul>heh
13:06<peej>why'd you want flash plugin to have sound? is the plugin used in places other than firefox?
13:06<Newbie16>no
13:06<Newbie16>but there is a firefox bug which causes the sound to stop working because of the way firefox launches external applications
13:06<rahul>what other than flash generates sound in firefox that you're doing?
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13:06<rahul>oh, that has nothing to do with firefox generating sound
13:07<Newbie16>the entire sound system remains silent until firefox and the apps it has launched are closed
13:07<rahul>change the helper applications for audio/* mime types to ignore the file
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13:07<rahul>or use a sound player that doesn't assume an interactive console
13:08<peej>maybe flashblock has some clever settings?
13:08<Newbie16>it happens when firefox launches something like a pdf reader
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13:08<peej>you tried changing the default launch app? xpdf instead of evince/kpdf/whatever?
13:09<Newbie16>it doesn't depend on the app
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13:13<N16>peej: this bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147659
13:14<Newbie16>see
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13:16<Newbie16>Anyone know how to work around that?
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13:16<Newbie16>would a simple wrapper script that launched the other app and then quit be ok?
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13:20<rahul>oo dependency based init
13:21<rahul>does that mean it launches the processes in parallel, too?
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13:25<rahul>so um, how do I get /dev/fb0 to appear?
13:25<Newbie16>i think its something like mknod ...
13:25<Newbie16>i know you can use mknod to make stuff appear in /dev
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13:29<Titan8990_>rahul, load a framebuffer driver maybe? modprobe uvesafb
13:29<valdyn>rahul: optionally it does
13:30<xente>I have some source that I want to make into a debian package. I know how to do this using dpkg-deb but I want to make it like when you do apt-get source <somepackage> where there is a debian/rules file etc. does someone know where I can learn to do this?
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13:31<xente>you know, so you can type dpkg-buildpackage in the source root and it will build the package
13:31<themill>!nmg
13:31<dpkg>The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. See also http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>.
13:31<rahul>Titan8990_: oh, right... it's probably using that terrible default fb driver
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13:31<xente>themill: thanks
13:31<themill>np
13:32<Newbie16>xente: copy an existing one
13:32<xente>Newbie16: good idea but I want to know what exactly each thing means and how to use it
13:33<Newbie16>its probably very simple and straightforward
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13:38<rahul>xente: the nmg tells all
13:38<rahul>well, at least it tells a little :P
13:39<xente>it looks like a good resource
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13:53<a>how do you change permissions on an ntfs external HD from read only to read-write?
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13:55<a>nick alpha
13:55<a>nick /alpha
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13:55<fabianocruz>ola
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13:56<fabianocruz>pessoal
13:56<fabianocruz>aqui é o chat dos desenvolvidores do debian certo?
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13:57<locklace>!br
13:57<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:59<Guest26>how do you change permissions on an ntfs external HD from read only to read-write?
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14:00<sney>!user accessible ntfs
14:00<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
14:00<fabianocruz>I don't know yet
14:00<locklace>!ntfs-3g
14:00<dpkg>methinks ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Packaged for Debian, available for Lenny or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org etch> for instructions). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
14:00<fabianocruz>I want to know
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14:03<EmleyMoor>Once I hve fixed bluez-utils, my system requires hid2hci to be run to activate it - is that done at startup and if not, how do I make it so?
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14:04<Flotux>Bonsoir.
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14:27<xente>bonsoir
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14:36<EmleyMoor>I have Bluetooth operating now but it won't connect to my phone properly - the connection is being continually remade. How can I fix that?
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14:37<Newbie16>EmleyMoor: usb cable?
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14:38<EmleyMoor>Newbie16: No - needs to be Bluetooth
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14:49<peej>does it matter if you have two dhcp servers on a lan (each on a different machine), if they both serve to different ranges on the lan? (same netmask)
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14:50<rahul>yes
14:50<rahul>the one someone gets will be random
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14:50<rahul>it may be a good solution to having a failover, tho
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14:53<rahul>grr. loading radeonfb doesn't do anything visible whatsoever
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14:54<Titan8990_>rahul, although not debian specific this is the best guide on framebuffers I have came across: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Framebuffer
14:54<rahul>Titan8990_: I first set up an fbcon some time around 2001 :)
14:54<rahul>I'm just trying to figure out how to do it with a stock debian kernel
14:55<Titan8990_>the modules should already be present, may just need to add boot arguments to load it
14:55<peej>rahul, well, I was assuming the dhcpservers server different (mutually exclusive) ranges on the lan. So one client should get an ip address from one unique server consistently, even though it would broadcast to both.
14:55<rahul>peej: nope. it would randomly get one or the other each time it asks
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14:56<rahul>Titan8990_: I'm just gonna compile my own kernel with radeonfb.o statically linked
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14:57<rahul>oh, I guess I could disable the vesafb at the kernel cmdline
14:57<Titan8990_>rahul, make sure you pin or remove the stock kernel or it may mess with your grub.conf when it gets updated
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14:58<peej>if one dhcp server is restricted to serve only to 192.168.0.3 and the other serves only 192.168.0.13 and it is allocated on the basis of mac address, then would the client get stuck half the time?
14:59<rahul>Titan8990_: no, debian's kernel packages are really good about having entries in the grub menu
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14:59<rahul>peej: yes
14:59<peej>lemme guess... you've tried it?
14:59<rahul>peej: unless the dhcp server IGNORES the request instead of rejecting it
14:59<Titan8990_>rahul, all it does is run update-grub which i think looks for images named vmlinuz in the /boot directory and creates entries based on that
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15:00<Titan8990_>rahul, "It works by looking in /boot for all files which start with "vmlinuz-". They will be treated as kernels, and grub menu entries will be created for each."
15:00<rahul>Titan8990_: sure. whatever it does, it works great with the half-dozen kernels I had at once on my last install
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15:01<susanne>hi, I just have installed debian testing on my macbook and can not manage to enable the second modifier key
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15:01<susanne>so no 'ad' or 'pipe'
15:01<susanne>can s.o. give me a hint?
15:01<susanne>please
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15:03<rahul>!please
15:03<dpkg>Do I look like an information bitch, rahul?
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15:03<rahul>heh
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15:03<rahul>that bot is getting a lot like me
15:03<rahul>it's running the risk of getting permbanned!
15:04<peej>rahul, is ignore and reject a dhcp.conf keyword? Or do you mean something else is set to ignore/reject?
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15:04<rahul>peej: I don't know how to configure such behavior. never needed live redundant DHCP
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15:06<martin__>i am mounting a ext3 file system partition that is on my hard disk. when i mount it i can not create any files on it unless i am root. in the permissions tab in the GUI it say root can only create and delete. everyone else can only access. how do i get the permissions for a normaol to be able to write to it
15:06<peej>rahul, I guess ebtables could do it. I wonder if I can simulate this behaviour with virtualboxes...
15:07<rahul>heh
15:07<martin__>it is a common problem i have with fstab
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15:07<rahul>peej: yeah... you're just asking for trouble trying to do this tho...
15:07<rahul>peej: I suggest trying to avoid using multiple DHCP servers on the same segment at all costs
15:08<peej>rahul, why? (trouble)
15:09<rahul>peej: because DHCP isn't designed for that
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15:09<martin__>anyone know?
15:09<rahul>you broadcast and get a network config. no reason to have multiple servers
15:09<rahul>martin__: nothing to do with fstab. use chmod.
15:10<pc2>hi
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15:11<pc2>I need help how do i uninstall a windows application in linux ?
15:11<EmleyMoor>pc2: Installed under wine?
15:11<pc2>yes
15:11<peej>rahul, thanks for the stand-back-and-look-at-what-you're-doing view ;-). I'll just explain what I'm trying to do once I've figured it out myself ;-)
15:12<rahul>peej: :)
15:12<martin__>rahul: thanks that was the problem. i will know that for the future. so when you mount filesystem, the folder you mounted to does not have permissions set correct?
15:13<rahul>martin__: it has permissions set to what the filesystem's root directory has them set to
15:13<EmleyMoor>I was sure there used to be an uninstaller
15:13<EmleyMoor>cd .wine
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15:13<soc>hi
15:14<pc2>EmleyMoor How do i uninstall windows application in linux ?
15:14<soc>i can't complete my registration on alioth
15:14<martin__>thanks rahul
15:14<soc>i got the confirm email
15:14<EmleyMoor>pc2: Sorry, I can't find any trace of a universal way
15:14<soc>it says i have to login to complete the registration
15:14<soc>but if i try to login, i get "Error Could Not Get User"
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15:15<EmleyMoor>pc2: Does the app have its own uninstaller?
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15:16<pc2>no, Its doesnt
15:17<EmleyMoor>Then I can't help you. Sorry, there is no obvious way
15:17<soc>can someone help me?
15:17<rahul>!helpme
15:17<EmleyMoor>soc: Please expain your problem
15:17<faheem>soc: there is an alioth channel. ask there
15:18<faheem># alioth on oftc (here)
15:18<soc>oh ... ok, weird
15:18<soc>i had to append "-guest" at the end ...
15:19<faheem>soc: this was not indicated in the registration email?
15:19<soc>ooops
15:19<soc>sure
15:19<soc>yes, it was ...
15:19<soc>altough i don't know why i got that "-guest" at the end
15:20<soc>sorry, about that
15:20<peej>ok, I have a laptop with virtualboxen. On work lan they get dhcpserved. Home lan has no dhcpserver so I dhcpserve from the laptop itself, based on mac. The virtualboxen should then get randomly served at work then if I leave both dhcservers on. How evil is that?
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15:21<rahul>horrible
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15:21<peej>the clean way to deal with the problem seems to be to check for a dhcpserver first, and only then launch own dhcpserver.
15:21<rahul>man 5 interfaces and see how to create multiple profiles for an interface
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15:21<lau>hi, i have a sata disk issue. it is connected to the MB through sata pci card
15:21<lau>it is a old machine
15:21<rahul>use a static IP at home
15:22<lau>i can mount, ls, cd the sata disk
15:22<lau>but as soon as i start a file transfert from sata to other disks the machine hangs
15:22<lau>which log file should i start looking in ?
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15:23<peej>yebbut I don't want to have to select an ifup= thing. I want it all to work magically for the virtualboxen, which run standard distros, netboots, whatever.
15:24*peej ponders what he just said.
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15:24<rahul>maybe #networking will have better ideas than I do
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15:25<peej>um... which irc network?
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15:25<rahul>hmm
15:25<rahul>freenode
15:26<pc2>where can i see Readme.Debian ???
15:26<rahul>pc2: which one?
15:26<rahul>ls /usr/share/doc/*/README.Debian
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15:28<pc2>wait please
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15:34<Snotty>whats up? Are you happy to use Karmic Koala 9.10?
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15:35<lau>i just tried to fsck /dev/sda1 but it failed
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15:36<lau>i have to hard reboot :( any idea which log file may be interesting to look at ?
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15:37<pc2>rahul I am in doc after it where do i have to go to ?
15:38<rahul>pc2: you tell me
15:38<rahul>how would I know what package you want docs on?
15:38<pc2>I want Readme.debian
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15:40<pc2>there are many readme.debian
15:40-!-scientes [~scientes@174-21-161-91.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #debian
15:40<rahul>exactly
15:40<rahul>how would I know which one you want? :)
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15:41<Guest37>Any Giganews users here with the Silver account?
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15:42<Pryon>I have the 2.99 account, but Shirley that's not silver
15:42<Guest37>That's the Jade account.
15:43<sney>don't calle me shirley!
15:43<faheem>Pryon: is that a Naked Gun reference?
15:43<faheem>sney: that's definitely a Naked Gun reference. :-)
15:44<sney>definitely
15:44<viru>hello
15:44<pc2>rahul i receive this message:
15:44<pc2>ls /usr/share/doc/*/README.Debian
15:44<pc2>wait
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15:44<faheem>pc2: * corresponding to the package name you are after
15:44<djj>airplane, not naked gun
15:44<faheem>pc2: at the risk of stating the bleeding obvious
15:45<faheem>djj: fairly sure it is naked gun
15:45<pc2>rahul I receive this message:
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15:45<pc2>To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian.
15:45-!-sidux [~sidux@U0a04.u.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:46<faheem>pc2: what package are you trying to install?
15:46<pc2>rpm
15:46<faheem>pc2: why?
15:47-!-laura [~laura@138.Red-79-158-46.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
15:47<Rhapsody>"debian.org: Error: Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker." - Why is debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso not available from the Debian BitTorrent tracker?
15:47<pc2>because I want to uninstall a windows application
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15:48<faheem>pc2: you've lost me. how can debian help you to uninstall a windows application, and what does rpm have to do with it?
15:48<djj>faheem: i disagree :) http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Airplane!
15:48<Guest38>hola
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15:48<Guest38>algun argentino en linea
15:48<faheem>djj: i stand corrected
15:49<faheem>!es
15:49<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:49<pc2>I explain u faheem
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15:49<faheem>djj: i remember Leslie Neilsen saying that line.
15:50<pc2>There is a way to uninstall windows application with yum remove
15:50<Guest38>alguien con quien pueda conversar en español
15:50<sney>!ar
15:50<dpkg>it has been said that ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina, or #debian-ar on irc.oftc.net.
15:50<pc2>when I run yum remove the pc says that i need to install rpm
15:50<faheem>pc2: i see. then you should be using an rpm based distribution, not debian.
15:50-!-mozjonathan [~jonathan@pocahontas.xulforum.org] has joined #debian
15:50<faheem>pc2: eg fedora
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15:51<kristianpaul>why the network-manager-applet (nm-applet) can stop loading in a debian lenny gnome session, but i dint disable from session?
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15:51<faheem>trying to do rpm things on debian is likely to cause anxiety and possibly lead to a nervous breakdown
15:51<Pryon>faheem: either naked gun or airplane, can't remember which
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15:52<EmleyMoor>Does blueproximity flash the connection to the phone if there's no other activity or should the connection be "solid"/
15:52<EmleyMoor>?
15:52<faheem>first i
15:52<djj>faheem: he was in airplane ;) the joke might have been reused later, they're all zucker-abrahams-zucker movies after all
15:52<faheem>first i've heard of windows apps being removed with linux. far out.
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15:52<faheem>djj: sounds plausible.
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15:53<chealer>!tell Guest38 about es
15:53<sney>roger, Roger. what's your vector Victor
15:53<faheem>chealer: i tried.
15:53<faheem>does that do a private message thing?
15:53<chealer>faheem: yes
15:54<faheem>chealer: ok, good. will try to remember that.
15:54<chealer>faheem: (mine, not yours)
15:54<onezero>hello :) am looking to testdrive varnish 2.0.x (reverse proxy).. the debian stable package is 1.x, and the debian unstable package is 2.x.. what is your preference? use the unstable or compile from source?
15:54<faheem>chealer: pardon? i assumed it was priv messaging Guest38 (in this case)
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15:55<faheem>onezero: you could try backporting from unstable if it has not too many dependencies
15:55<chealer>faheem: !tell sends a private message. just triggering the bot on the channel doesn't address the person you mean to
15:55<faheem>chealer: yes. ok. that's what i meant.
15:56<pc2>faheem I receive this message:
15:56<pc2>To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian.
15:56<onezero>thx faheem : )
15:56<faheem>onezero: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), autotools-dev, automake1.9, libtool, autoconf, libncurses-dev, xsltproc
15:56<faheem>doesn't look too bad. you could probably do it.
15:57<pc2>I receive that message faheem
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15:57<faheem>pc2: right, but why are you using debian at all?
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15:58<faheem>if your only purpose is to uninstall a windows package.
15:58<faheem>i mean, why not uninstall from inside windows anyway?
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15:59<pc2>because I dont have windows
15:59<pc2>I have ubuntu
15:59<faheem>pc2: you mean you have a windows app installed on ubuntu? i
15:59<faheem>i'm confused.
16:00<pc2>yes
16:00<faheem>are you using wine or something
16:00<pc2>I used wine
16:00<faheem>pc2: i
16:00<faheem>pc2: i'd ask on an ubuntu channel.
16:01<pc2>ok thanks
16:01<faheem>! tell pc2 about ubuntu
16:01<faheem>no idea where rpm comes in, though.
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16:02<pc2>rpm comes when i use the yum remove command
16:03<faheem>pc2: right, but why is rpm/yum being used on a dpkg based system at all?
16:06<pc2>The steps say that I have to use the yum command to uninstall a windows aplication
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16:06<pc2>in linux
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16:06<faheem>pc2: if you are using ubuntu, i'd really recommend an ubuntu forum.
16:07<faheem>they might have some idea about this. i certainly don't.
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16:09<onezero>faheem: i succeeded in using the backport, saves a lot of time, thx. And shows me more about the debian layout for compiling this package myself, if ever needed. Very helpful.
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16:10<faheem>onezero: you managed to compile it? great.
16:10<pc2>or I can use apt-get remove faheem
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16:11<sney>dpkg -r faheem
16:11*dpkg removes faheem along with a pound of flesh from sney's body, then staples sney back up with a staple gun.
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16:12<faheem>sney: sounds painful
16:12<sney>seriousyl
16:12<sney>dpkg isn't kidding around
16:12<dpkg>no idea, sney
16:12<sam_>hi, quick help. how do i mount a partition of my hard drive on ubuntu?
16:12<sney>this isn't the ubuntu channel
16:12<sney>!ubuntu
16:12<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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16:13<pc2>faheem can i use apt-get remove ?
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16:13<sam_>sorry
16:13<faheem>pc2: to do what?
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16:13<faheem>apt works with dpkg, not rpm
16:13<pc2>to uninstall windows application in linux
16:13<faheem>pc2: no idea.
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16:15<StVitus>test fisŕst online time - who i am?
16:16<pc2>ok
16:16<StVitus>hello world
16:16<Xenguy>StVitus: no, it's 'whoami' ;-)
16:16<pc2>thanks for helping me faheem
16:16<pc2>bye
16:16<faheem>pc2: no problem
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16:18<StVitus>cu bye
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16:20<njg>hello world
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16:23<njg>help
16:23<Xenguy>njg: ask the question
16:23<njg>(sorry... new to IRC...)
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16:24<njg>where should I turn to get detailed package management advice
16:24<njg>there's an existing package... and a new (production release) upstream version...
16:24<njg>and the maintainers are not responsive
16:25<faheem>njg: what package?
16:25<njg>I wish to update the package myself, but am running into some stumbling blocks
16:25<njg>root-system
16:25<Xenguy>njg: sometimes 'backports' will do the trick; what is the software?
16:25<njg>no, I
16:25<faheem>njg: that would be a CERN thing perchance?
16:25<njg>no, I'm pretty sure the sid version is the latest
16:25<faheem>yes, i see it is.
16:26<njg>sadly, yes... and I admit, it's a big mes
16:26<njg>mess
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16:26<faheem>njg: that stuff is seriously hairy
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16:26<faheem>the current maintainer(s) won't talk to you?
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16:26<njg>oh, you don't know the half of it... many a grad student has gone mad dealing w/ this software
16:27<njg>maintainer is unresponsive after ~4 days
16:27<njg>and there is (supposedly) some scheme for building the debian package, given the upstream source
16:27<faheem>njg: it's just Christensen and no-one else?
16:27<njg>it works to a point... and then fails
16:28<faheem>njg: copying the packaging over to the new release doesn't work?
16:28<faheem>packaging in sid i mean.
16:28<faheem>usually just the debian directory
16:28<njg>Christensen is the only maintainer. the version in sid was uploaded by someone else (with maintainer's permission)
16:28<njg>yes, I tried this, with bizzare results.
16:28<faheem>njg: sounds rough.
16:29<njg>yeah... *sigh*
16:29<faheem>try talking to the guy who did the nmu?
16:29<njg>nmu?
16:29<faheem>non maintainer upload
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16:29<njg>ah, not a bad idea!
16:29<faheem>have you posted to debian-science?
16:29<jeremiah>So, the word on the street is OpenVZ is faster than Xen of VirtualBox
16:30<faheem>worth asking there too.
16:30<faheem>maybe there are other desperate people trying to figure out ROOT.
16:30<njg>ah, ok... this is a mailing list I assume.
16:30<faheem>njg: yes.
16:30<faheem>readable via gmane
16:31<njg>gotcha, thanks
16:31<faheem>njg: 4 days not a particularly long time.
16:31<faheem>he may respond - but if you are in a hurry...
16:32<njg>If anyone here wants to take a swing at doing things "the right way", I have copied instructions for building the package from upstream here: https://nflor14.fnal.gov/trac/wiki/Debian_Root
16:32<faheem>njg: why not use the debian wiki? is there a wiki corresponding to debian science?
16:32<njg>faheem: yes, I agree. but this is why I came to IRC rather than raising a fuss elsewhere
16:33<njg>faheem: I think so.
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16:33<faheem>njg: writing to debian-science is harmless. as long as you are polite
16:33<faheem>i mean, you're not harassing him directly.
16:34<njg>faheem: my wiki (at that URI above) is used by me and collaborators for mostly non-Debian stuff
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16:35<njg>If anyone does try to build according to those instructions (where code is checked-out from upstream), you'll find problems linking against xmlrpc-c, which is a little weird but fixable
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16:36<njg>the tag I'm interested in is v5-24-00b
16:36<njg>but I don't expect a solution for a coupla weeks!
16:37<faheem>njg: you could put a log of your problems with the package on the wiki
16:37<njg>faheem: another good idea, thanks
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16:53<SARC>hello all... is there any way to get information from /proc/meminfo that would show me how much memory was allocated and later deallocated by my application but was not released back to the kernel?
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16:55<rahul>SARC: mu
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16:55<rahul>you might as well ask if the kernel has stopped beating its wife
16:56<SARC>i have an interesting problem then
16:56<rahul>SARC: oh, unless you mean while the application was running? well the kernel would never know that
16:56<rahul>if the kernel knew, it would take the memory back
16:56<SARC>i wish there was a way to make it take the memory back.... here's what i am doing
16:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 425] by debhelper
16:57<rahul>there is a kernel call that allows you to deallocate a page, even if it's below your brk
16:57<SARC>i wrote a specialized application that captures packets (max size of 1518 bytes), stores them in a queue via malloc... then the packets are proccessed and freed
16:57<Orpheus>i am running ubuntu 9.04 32 bits and i am curious about giving debian a try, whta i wanna ask is there will be any problems with flash and java like there were sometime ago with ubuntu or is debian user friendly now?
16:57<rahul>I would ask in a more kernel-related channel, no clue why you'd come in here to ask about things most people in here can't even fathom
16:58<rahul>Orpheus: have you stopped beating your wife? I've never had problems with flash and java in any linux.
16:58<SARC>the memory is cached to be reallocated instead of released back to the kernel and i want to have some accurate way to show the user how much free memory is available. if the kernel doesnt know how much memory is free, then i dont know what i can do
16:58<rahul>SARC: I remember the call is compatible to a call in the BSDs, but I forget the name
16:59<rahul>SARC: but if you're using malloc, it should do that automagically or something. or use a ring buffer.
16:59<rahul>SARC: or better yet, use a garbage collector.
16:59<Orpheus>i did has issues with flash and firefox with ubuntu 8.10 mostly audio on flas sites
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16:59<rahul>Orpheus: sounds like a personal problem to me. I've used pandora for years on debian.
16:59<rahul>and youtube, etc
17:00<kmap>Orpheus: I use Debian, with Flash and Java
17:00<kmap>Orpheus: Usually, it has to do with the sound drivers, or some such issue.
17:00<Orpheus>then i will debian a try and if it is way too compilcated for a noob like me thats why they invented formatting:)
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17:01<kmap>Orpheus: Be sure to ask for help here or on the mailing lists
17:02<Orpheus>thanks
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17:03<chealer>Orpheus: we can't tell you about Ubuntu. being user-friendly is relative.
17:04<sander_>Hi. I have an aptitude question. I installed the bugzilla3 package and it installed a whole slew of dependencies. Not I want to remove bugzilla3 but I want to keep all it's dependencies. How do I do that? `aptitude remove bugzilla3 bugzilla3-doc` wants to remove all other dependencies that were marked as auto.
17:04<sander_>s/Not/Now
17:05<kmap>sander_: You can cheat by doing dpkg -r bugzilla3
17:05<kmap>But there should be a better way
17:06<sander_>kmap. The problem with that is that aptitude will see the dependencies as unnecessary and try to remove them later on anyway
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17:06<Orpheus>i installed ubuntu out hate with vista and i have been using it with 0 comp knowledge and it was pretty easy i have no real linux experience so i figured that i might try debian to learn a bit more about linux now.
17:06<kmap>sander_: True...
17:06<jrabbit>lol
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17:07<kmap>sander_: Do you have a list of the packages you wish to keep?
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17:08<kmap>sander_: If you do, you can mark them as manually installed, I believe
17:08<rahul>sander_: shift-M in the interactive interface
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17:08<sander_>kmap: I can do that, package by package. But I hoped there was an easier way :-)
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17:08<adb>!hold
17:08<dpkg>hold is, like, a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database.
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17:10<sander_>adb: I don't want to hold the packages at the curent version. I want aptitude to not remove them. Hopefully in an easier way than marking each dependency manually as non-auto.
17:10<kmap>sander_: Sorry that I wasn't of much help.
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17:11<rahul>sander_: in order to change an automatic default, you need to manually change it
17:11<rahul>XP
17:11<sander_>kmap: I'll try the interactive interface. Perhaps that's easier than the commandline. I've never used it though. I always work just from the commandline.
17:12<rahul>sander_: go to the package in question, go to the dependencies, go through each you want to keep, hitting shift-M on each one
17:12<rahul>very simple if you don't use the CLI :)
17:12<sander_>rahul, thanks. I'll try that.
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17:24<rahul>this SSD is so frigging fast
17:25<dr|z3d>!congratulate rahul
17:25<dpkg>Yay rahul, you did it!
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17:26<rahul>:D
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17:31<klando>hi, I wonder if it is posible to export /mnt with nfs4 and have local mounts shared so that htey are accessible from the nfs client ?
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17:34<rahul>klando: / is a local mount, too
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17:34<rahul>klando: so I don't see what the difference is
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17:35<klando>rahul: if you export / you can acces a dvd on the client without explicitely configuring the dvd to be exported (well the mount of the dvd)
17:35<klando>?
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17:36<klando>or do I have to use the config 'nohide' and configure each mount possible mount point ?
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17:38<parann0yed>if the dvd is mounted already, say at /media/cdrom or /media/dvd and you have mounted the whole filesystem you should be able to see it from the nfs client. but i haven't tried it...
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17:39<parann0yed>but i would personally use samba to share out the device
17:39<klando>parann0yed: it doesn't do that ifais
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17:39<klando>I like to share the whole /mnt (in order to handle usb key or anything)
17:40<klando>s/ifais/afais/
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17:43<parann0yed>oh, i see. and scratch that about samba if the clients are nix machines. not sure, i just commented on your question about accessing mounted devices.
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17:47<klando>so my next ask : is 'nohide' so dangerous if I export for several host ?
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17:47<klando>s/for/to/
17:51<EmleyMoor>Is there a guide to making mobile broadband work via a phone over Bluetooth? UK Vodafone if it helps
17:52<klando>EmleyMoor: did you check the wiki.debian.org ?
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17:52<EmleyMoor>klando: Not yet - will do
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17:53<comboz0r>hi, i don't speak english... :( my debian bad restart ... problem conection!! restart network interfaces and now a error... siocaddrt file exists please help me :(
17:53<overddose>wireless lan or eth
17:53<comboz0r>lan
17:53<comboz0r>eth0
17:53<overddose>ok
17:54<bja>!br
17:54<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:54<comboz0r>i speak spanish.. the channel spanish no help me no answer
17:55<overddose>explain what you mean by bad restard?
17:55<bja>Did you check in #debian-es?
17:55<comboz0r>yes
17:55<bja>do it again please
17:56<comboz0r>debian bad shutdown .. power !!
17:56<comboz0r>my problem is "siocaddrt file exists"
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17:57<overddose>dpkg: sicaddrt
17:57<dpkg>overddose: I don't know, could you explain it?
17:57<overddose>damn.
17:57<overddose>google?
17:57<overddose>probably a short, if it was a power issue.
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17:57<overddose>fried or tripped mosfet on eth0 sector.
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17:59<comboz0r>-etc-init.d-networking restart = siocaddrt file exists
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18:01<overddose>/etc/init.d
18:01<overddose>go there
18:01<overddose>find siocaddrt
18:01<overddose>null it
18:01<overddose>im going to lunch eitherway
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18:14<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... went from promising to hopeless... no more tonight
18:15<bja>EmleyMoor: the culprit is on the phone if it can redirect trafic from one interface to another
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18:17<EmleyMoor>bja: Went from nearly connecting to not even initialising
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18:18<bja>Restart the phone, it should at least give you a hint on what is wrong
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18:21<akn>im running debian but i dont understand how to set up the lan at school
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18:22<EmleyMoor>bja: Restarted the phone umpteen times - got worse
18:24<bja>EmleyMoor: with the phone turned on, take the battery off, most of the times it works wonders
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18:26<akn>can someone tell me how to use lan
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18:27<EmleyMoor>bja: Might try that tomorrow
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18:27<bja>EmleyMoor: good luck
18:27<EmleyMoor>It would be nice to be able to make good use of Bluetooth
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18:28<EmleyMoor>akn: How do you want to use it?
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19:00<Nihni>where's krita gone in sid? :S
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19:01<Nihni>searching packages.debian.org for any package with a file named *krita* returns nothing...
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19:02<abrotman>it was removed months ago
19:03<abrotman>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530003
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19:14<gmalias>hi..
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19:44<kmullins>Hello
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19:45<kmullins>Would anyone be willing to help me get my PCMCIA Wifi card working?
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19:45<abrotman>kmullins: just ask your question
19:45<abrotman>kmullins: just ask your question
19:46<X-LP>...
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19:46<kmullins>All right. I'm trying to connect to my router but I can't get a connection. iwconfig shows my wifi card.
19:46<kmullins>All right. I'm trying to connect to my router but I can't get a connection. iwconfig shows my wifi card.
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19:47<abrotman>starting with "Hello, I have a _____ Wifi Card that uses ____ chipset. I'm trying to connect to my AP using _____ encryption, and it's not working"
19:47<abrotman>starting with "Hello, I have a _____ Wifi Card that uses ____ chipset. I'm trying to connect to my AP using _____ encryption, and it's not working"
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19:48<raylu>i feel like i'm missing some fonts. i did a netinstall and it didn't come with a lot of things. at the moment, line and arrow characters in mutt aren't diplaying properly in gnome-terminal. any idea what fonts i should install? (locale reports en_US.UTF8)
19:48<raylu>i feel like i'm missing some fonts. i did a netinstall and it didn't come with a lot of things. at the moment, line and arrow characters in mutt aren't diplaying properly in gnome-terminal. any idea what fonts i should install? (locale reports en_US.UTF8)
19:48<raylu>i feel like i'm missing some fonts. i did a netinstall and it didn't come with a lot of things. at the moment, line and arrow characters in mutt aren't diplaying properly in gnome-terminal. any idea what fonts i should install? (locale reports en_US.UTF8)
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19:48<kmullins>Okay. I have a Wavelan Silver Turbo Wifi Card. I'm not sure on the chipset. I'm not using any security or authentication on my router.
19:48<kmullins>Okay. I have a Wavelan Silver Turbo Wifi Card. I'm not sure on the chipset. I'm not using any security or authentication on my router.
19:48<kmullins>Okay. I have a Wavelan Silver Turbo Wifi Card. I'm not sure on the chipset. I'm not using any security or authentication on my router.
19:48<raylu>kmullins: lspci can help you identify your chipset
19:48<raylu>kmullins: lspci can help you identify your chipset
19:48<raylu>kmullins: lspci can help you identify your chipset
19:48<johnf>Anyone have a rough idea of how long it should take to be added to the debian group LWN subscription?
19:48<johnf>Anyone have a rough idea of how long it should take to be added to the debian group LWN subscription?
19:48<johnf>Anyone have a rough idea of how long it should take to be added to the debian group LWN subscription?
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19:49<kmullins>raylu: I don't see it listed in there.
19:49<kmullins>raylu: I don't see it listed in there.
19:49<kmullins>raylu: I don't see it listed in there.
19:49<kmullins>raylu: I don't see it listed in there.
19:49<kmullins>raylu: I don't see it listed in there.
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19:50<abrotman>lspcmcia
19:50<abrotman>lspcmcia
19:50<abrotman>lspcmcia
19:50<abrotman>lspcmcia
19:50<abrotman>lspcmcia
19:50<abrotman>did you install pcmciautils ?
19:50<abrotman>did you install pcmciautils ?
19:50<abrotman>did you install pcmciautils ?
19:50<abrotman>did you install pcmciautils ?
19:50<abrotman>did you install pcmciautils ?
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19:50<kmullins>lspcmcia doesn't have any output. And yeah, it's installed.
19:50<kmullins>lspcmcia doesn't have any output. And yeah, it's installed.
19:50<kmullins>lspcmcia doesn't have any output. And yeah, it's installed.
19:50<kmullins>lspcmcia doesn't have any output. And yeah, it's installed.
19:50<kmullins>lspcmcia doesn't have any output. And yeah, it's installed.
19:50<kmullins>lspcmcia doesn't have any output. And yeah, it's installed.
19:51<kmullins>I'm using an ibook and the card is in my airport card slot.
19:51<kmullins>I'm using an ibook and the card is in my airport card slot.
19:51<kmullins>I'm using an ibook and the card is in my airport card slot.
19:51<kmullins>I'm using an ibook and the card is in my airport card slot.
19:51<kmullins>I'm using an ibook and the card is in my airport card slot.
19:51<kmullins>I'm using an ibook and the card is in my airport card slot.
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19:51<abrotman>pretty sure that's a very basic card, not needing any firmware at all
19:51<abrotman>pretty sure that's a very basic card, not needing any firmware at all
19:51<abrotman>pretty sure that's a very basic card, not needing any firmware at all
19:51<abrotman>pretty sure that's a very basic card, not needing any firmware at all
19:51<abrotman>pretty sure that's a very basic card, not needing any firmware at all
19:51<abrotman>pretty sure that's a very basic card, not needing any firmware at all
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19:51<kmullins>The wireless router shows up as eth2, if that makes a difference
19:51<kmullins>The wireless router shows up as eth2, if that makes a difference
19:51<kmullins>The wireless router shows up as eth2, if that makes a difference
19:51<kmullins>I mean the wifi card
19:51<kmullins>I mean the wifi card
19:51<kmullins>I mean the wifi card
19:53<abrotman>kmullins: sure .. so you just need to configure it ?
19:53<abrotman>kmullins: sure .. so you just need to configure it ?
19:53<abrotman>kmullins: sure .. so you just need to configure it ?
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19:53<kmullins>abrotman: I think so. I tried manually selecting my essid and that worked but it never actually connected.
19:53<kmullins>abrotman: I think so. I tried manually selecting my essid and that worked but it never actually connected.
19:53<kmullins>abrotman: I think so. I tried manually selecting my essid and that worked but it never actually connected.
19:53<abrotman>manually selecting with what?
19:53<abrotman>manually selecting with what?
19:53<abrotman>manually selecting with what?
19:53<kmullins>iwconfig
19:53<kmullins>iwconfig
19:53<kmullins>iwconfig
19:54<kmullins>iwconfig eth2 essid "...."
19:54<kmullins>iwconfig eth2 essid "...."
19:54<kmullins>iwconfig eth2 essid "...."
19:54<abrotman>if you do 'iwlist eth2 scanning' .. do you see it ?
19:54<abrotman>if you do 'iwlist eth2 scanning' .. do you see it ?
19:54<abrotman>if you do 'iwlist eth2 scanning' .. do you see it ?
19:55<kmullins>I get the message "Interface doesn't support scanning"
19:55<kmullins>I get the message "Interface doesn't support scanning"
19:55<kmullins>I get the message "Interface doesn't support scanning"
19:55<abrotman>then it's not eth2
19:55<abrotman>then it's not eth2
19:55<abrotman>then it's not eth2
19:55<abrotman>kmullins: dmesg | grep eth .. what do you see ?
19:55<abrotman>kmullins: dmesg | grep eth .. what do you see ?
19:55<abrotman>kmullins: dmesg | grep eth .. what do you see ?
19:55<kmullins>Lots of stuff. There's an error configuring card. An error setting Mac address. Lots of "Information frame lost" errors
19:55<kmullins>Lots of stuff. There's an error configuring card. An error setting Mac address. Lots of "Information frame lost" errors
19:55<kmullins>Lots of stuff. There's an error configuring card. An error setting Mac address. Lots of "Information frame lost" errors
19:56<abrotman>yeah .. but you're looking to see which device is which name
19:56<abrotman>yeah .. but you're looking to see which device is which name
19:56<abrotman>yeah .. but you're looking to see which device is which name
19:56<kmullins>It's all eth2, is that what your asking?
19:56<kmullins>It's all eth2, is that what your asking?
19:56<kmullins>It's all eth2, is that what your asking?
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19:57<abrotman>eth2 doesn't sound like the device if it doesn't support scanning
19:57<abrotman>eth2 doesn't sound like the device if it doesn't support scanning
19:57<abrotman>eth2 doesn't sound like the device if it doesn't support scanning
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19:58<kmullins>Is there somewhere I can post the results of iwconfig for you to look at?
19:58<kmullins>Is there somewhere I can post the results of iwconfig for you to look at?
19:58<kmullins>Is there somewhere I can post the results of iwconfig for you to look at?
19:58<abrotman>you can put `dmesg | grep eth` in a paste.debian.net
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19:58<abrotman>you can put `dmesg | grep eth` in a paste.debian.net
19:58<abrotman>you can put `dmesg | grep eth` in a paste.debian.net
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19:58<kmullins>ok
19:58<kmullins>ok
19:58<kmullins>ok
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20:01<kmullins>http://paste.debian.net/49684/
20:01<kmullins>http://paste.debian.net/49684/
20:01<kmullins>http://paste.debian.net/49684/
20:01<kmullins>http://paste.debian.net/49684/
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20:01<abrotman>jeez ..
20:01<abrotman>jeez ..
20:01<abrotman>jeez ..
20:01<abrotman>jeez ..
20:01<abrotman>jeez ..
20:02<kmullins>lol
20:02<kmullins>lol
20:02<kmullins>lol
20:02<kmullins>lol
20:02<kmullins>lol
20:02<abrotman>you unplug/replug the device .. do you get more info in dmesg ?
20:02<abrotman>you unplug/replug the device .. do you get more info in dmesg ?
20:02<abrotman>you unplug/replug the device .. do you get more info in dmesg ?
20:02<abrotman>you unplug/replug the device .. do you get more info in dmesg ?
20:02<abrotman>you unplug/replug the device .. do you get more info in dmesg ?
20:02<abrotman>cause .. that paste wasn't useful :)
20:02<abrotman>cause .. that paste wasn't useful :)
20:02<abrotman>cause .. that paste wasn't useful :)
20:02<abrotman>cause .. that paste wasn't useful :)
20:02<abrotman>cause .. that paste wasn't useful :)
20:02<kmullins>lol yep. not much information there. too many errors
20:02<kmullins>lol yep. not much information there. too many errors
20:02<kmullins>lol yep. not much information there. too many errors
20:02<kmullins>lol yep. not much information there. too many errors
20:02<kmullins>lol yep. not much information there. too many errors
20:02<kmullins>Can I just unplug the card while the pc is running?
20:02<kmullins>Can I just unplug the card while the pc is running?
20:02<kmullins>Can I just unplug the card while the pc is running?
20:02<kmullins>Can I just unplug the card while the pc is running?
20:02<kmullins>Can I just unplug the card while the pc is running?
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20:02<abrotman>sure ..
20:02<abrotman>sure ..
20:02<abrotman>sure ..
20:02<abrotman>sure ..
20:02<abrotman>sure ..
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20:02<kmullins>Its pcmcia but its in an airport card slot ...
20:02<kmullins>Its pcmcia but its in an airport card slot ...
20:02<kmullins>Its pcmcia but its in an airport card slot ...
20:02<kmullins>Its pcmcia but its in an airport card slot ...
20:02<kmullins>Its pcmcia but its in an airport card slot ...
20:03<abrotman>oh .
20:03<abrotman>oh .
20:03<abrotman>oh .
20:03<abrotman>oh .
20:03<abrotman>oh .
20:03<abrotman>no idea then ..
20:03<abrotman>no idea then ..
20:03<abrotman>no idea then ..
20:03<abrotman>no idea then ..
20:03<abrotman>no idea then ..
20:03<kmullins>hmm .. well ill try :)
20:03<kmullins>hmm .. well ill try :)
20:03<kmullins>hmm .. well ill try :)
20:03<kmullins>hmm .. well ill try :)
20:03<kmullins>hmm .. well ill try :)
20:03<abrotman>hold on ..
20:03<abrotman>hold on ..
20:03<abrotman>hold on ..
20:03<abrotman>hold on ..
20:03<abrotman>hold on ..
20:03<kmullins>ok
20:03<kmullins>ok
20:03<kmullins>ok
20:03<kmullins>ok
20:03<kmullins>ok
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20:05<abrotman>most of those cards just work .. and have just worked for ages
20:05<abrotman>most of those cards just work .. and have just worked for ages
20:05<abrotman>most of those cards just work .. and have just worked for ages
20:05<abrotman>most of those cards just work .. and have just worked for ages
20:05<abrotman>most of those cards just work .. and have just worked for ages
20:05<abrotman>most of those cards just work .. and have just worked for ages
20:05<kmullins>Here's my results from iwconfig tho ... http://paste.debian.net/49685/
20:05<kmullins>Here's my results from iwconfig tho ... http://paste.debian.net/49685/
20:05<kmullins>Here's my results from iwconfig tho ... http://paste.debian.net/49685/
20:05<kmullins>Here's my results from iwconfig tho ... http://paste.debian.net/49685/
20:05<kmullins>Here's my results from iwconfig tho ... http://paste.debian.net/49685/
20:05<kmullins>Here's my results from iwconfig tho ... http://paste.debian.net/49685/
20:05<kmullins>yeah. it seems like it should
20:05<kmullins>yeah. it seems like it should
20:05<kmullins>yeah. it seems like it should
20:05<kmullins>yeah. it seems like it should
20:05<kmullins>yeah. it seems like it should
20:05<kmullins>yeah. it seems like it should
20:06<abrotman>your ESSID isn't set
20:06<abrotman>your ESSID isn't set
20:06<abrotman>your ESSID isn't set
20:06<abrotman>your ESSID isn't set
20:06<abrotman>your ESSID isn't set
20:06<abrotman>your ESSID isn't set
20:06<abrotman>though you said you set it ?
20:06<abrotman>though you said you set it ?
20:06<abrotman>though you said you set it ?
20:06<abrotman>though you said you set it ?
20:06<abrotman>though you said you set it ?
20:06<abrotman>though you said you set it ?
20:06<abrotman>thouht
20:06<abrotman>thouht
20:06<abrotman>thouht
20:06<abrotman>thouht
20:06<abrotman>thouht
20:06<abrotman>thouht
20:06<abrotman>bleh
20:06<abrotman>bleh
20:06<abrotman>bleh
20:06<abrotman>bleh
20:06<abrotman>bleh
20:06<abrotman>bleh
20:06<kmullins>It was. I can't get it to set anymore
20:06<kmullins>It was. I can't get it to set anymore
20:06<kmullins>It was. I can't get it to set anymore
20:06<kmullins>It was. I can't get it to set anymore
20:06<kmullins>It was. I can't get it to set anymore
20:06<kmullins>It was. I can't get it to set anymore
20:06<abrotman>kmullins: normally i set mine in the /etc/network/interfaces file
20:06<abrotman>kmullins: normally i set mine in the /etc/network/interfaces file
20:06<abrotman>kmullins: normally i set mine in the /etc/network/interfaces file
20:06<abrotman>kmullins: normally i set mine in the /etc/network/interfaces file
20:06<abrotman>kmullins: normally i set mine in the /etc/network/interfaces file
20:06<abrotman>kmullins: normally i set mine in the /etc/network/interfaces file
20:06<abrotman>in your case it would be like
20:06<abrotman>in your case it would be like
20:06<abrotman>in your case it would be like
20:06<abrotman>in your case it would be like
20:06<abrotman>in your case it would be like
20:06<abrotman>in your case it would be like
20:07<abrotman>allow-hotplug eth2
20:07<abrotman>allow-hotplug eth2
20:07<abrotman>allow-hotplug eth2
20:07<abrotman>allow-hotplug eth2
20:07<abrotman>allow-hotplug eth2
20:07<abrotman>allow-hotplug eth2
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20:07<kmullins>okay i got it to set again. wierd
20:07<kmullins>okay i got it to set again. wierd
20:07<kmullins>okay i got it to set again. wierd
20:07<kmullins>okay i got it to set again. wierd
20:07<kmullins>okay i got it to set again. wierd
20:07<kmullins>okay i got it to set again. wierd
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20:07<abrotman>iface eth2 inet dhcp
20:07<abrotman>iface eth2 inet dhcp
20:07<abrotman>iface eth2 inet dhcp
20:07<abrotman>iface eth2 inet dhcp
20:07<abrotman>iface eth2 inet dhcp
20:07<abrotman>iface eth2 inet dhcp
20:07<abrotman>wireless-essid fooessidname
20:07<abrotman>wireless-essid fooessidname
20:07<abrotman>wireless-essid fooessidname
20:07<abrotman>wireless-essid fooessidname
20:07<abrotman>wireless-essid fooessidname
20:07<abrotman>wireless-essid fooessidname
20:07<abrotman>and if you don't have a key .. you don't nee dthat
20:07<abrotman>and if you don't have a key .. you don't nee dthat
20:07<abrotman>and if you don't have a key .. you don't nee dthat
20:07<abrotman>and if you don't have a key .. you don't nee dthat
20:07<abrotman>and if you don't have a key .. you don't nee dthat
20:07<abrotman>and if you don't have a key .. you don't nee dthat
20:07<abrotman>oh .. and
20:07<abrotman>oh .. and
20:07<abrotman>oh .. and
20:07<abrotman>oh .. and
20:07<abrotman>oh .. and
20:07<abrotman>oh .. and
20:07<abrotman>auto eth2
20:07<abrotman>auto eth2
20:07<abrotman>auto eth2
20:07<abrotman>auto eth2
20:07<abrotman>auto eth2
20:07<abrotman>auto eth2
20:07<abrotman>erm .. no ignore the last one
20:07<abrotman>erm .. no ignore the last one
20:07<abrotman>erm .. no ignore the last one
20:07<abrotman>erm .. no ignore the last one
20:07<abrotman>erm .. no ignore the last one
20:07<abrotman>erm .. no ignore the last one
20:07<kmullins>so just throw those lines into /etc/network/interfaces?
20:07<kmullins>so just throw those lines into /etc/network/interfaces?
20:07<kmullins>so just throw those lines into /etc/network/interfaces?
20:07<kmullins>so just throw those lines into /etc/network/interfaces?
20:07<kmullins>so just throw those lines into /etc/network/interfaces?
20:07<kmullins>so just throw those lines into /etc/network/interfaces?
20:08<abrotman>those three lines .. yes .. then you can paste that file and show us what it says
20:08<abrotman>those three lines .. yes .. then you can paste that file and show us what it says
20:08<abrotman>those three lines .. yes .. then you can paste that file and show us what it says
20:08<abrotman>those three lines .. yes .. then you can paste that file and show us what it says
20:08<abrotman>those three lines .. yes .. then you can paste that file and show us what it says
20:08<abrotman>those three lines .. yes .. then you can paste that file and show us what it says
20:08<kmullins>ok let e try
20:08<kmullins>ok let e try
20:08<kmullins>ok let e try
20:08<kmullins>ok let e try
20:08<kmullins>ok let e try
20:08<kmullins>ok let e try
20:08<kmullins>me*
20:08<kmullins>me*
20:08<kmullins>me*
20:08<kmullins>me*
20:08<kmullins>me*
20:08<kmullins>me*
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20:11<kmullins>http://paste.debian.net/49686/
20:11<kmullins>http://paste.debian.net/49686/
20:11<kmullins>http://paste.debian.net/49686/
20:11<kmullins>http://paste.debian.net/49686/
20:11<kmullins>http://paste.debian.net/49686/
20:11<kmullins>http://paste.debian.net/49686/
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20:11<kmullins>Thanks for the help, by the way.
20:11<kmullins>Thanks for the help, by the way.
20:11<kmullins>Thanks for the help, by the way.
20:11<kmullins>Thanks for the help, by the way.
20:11<kmullins>Thanks for the help, by the way.
20:11<kmullins>Thanks for the help, by the way.
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20:12<abrotman>well .. other than the quoting (i don't need it for mine) .. looks fine
20:12<abrotman>well .. other than the quoting (i don't need it for mine) .. looks fine
20:12<abrotman>well .. other than the quoting (i don't need it for mine) .. looks fine
20:12<abrotman>well .. other than the quoting (i don't need it for mine) .. looks fine
20:12<abrotman>well .. other than the quoting (i don't need it for mine) .. looks fine
20:12<abrotman>well .. other than the quoting (i don't need it for mine) .. looks fine
20:12<abrotman>it's weird you can't scan either
20:12<abrotman>it's weird you can't scan either
20:12<abrotman>it's weird you can't scan either
20:12<abrotman>it's weird you can't scan either
20:12<abrotman>it's weird you can't scan either
20:12<abrotman>it's weird you can't scan either
20:12<kmullins>do i need to do anything to get the system to rerun this file? or does it just read it when i plug the device in?
20:12<kmullins>do i need to do anything to get the system to rerun this file? or does it just read it when i plug the device in?
20:12<kmullins>do i need to do anything to get the system to rerun this file? or does it just read it when i plug the device in?
20:12<kmullins>do i need to do anything to get the system to rerun this file? or does it just read it when i plug the device in?
20:12<kmullins>do i need to do anything to get the system to rerun this file? or does it just read it when i plug the device in?
20:12<kmullins>do i need to do anything to get the system to rerun this file? or does it just read it when i plug the device in?
20:13<abrotman>the lazy person would just reboot :)
20:13<abrotman>the lazy person would just reboot :)
20:13<abrotman>the lazy person would just reboot :)
20:13<abrotman>the lazy person would just reboot :)
20:13<abrotman>the lazy person would just reboot :)
20:13<abrotman>the lazy person would just reboot :)
20:13<kmullins>lol
20:13<kmullins>lol
20:13<kmullins>lol
20:13<kmullins>lol
20:13<kmullins>lol
20:13<kmullins>lol
20:13<abrotman>you could try /etc/init.d/networking restart or ifup eth2
20:13<abrotman>you could try /etc/init.d/networking restart or ifup eth2
20:13<abrotman>you could try /etc/init.d/networking restart or ifup eth2
20:13<abrotman>you could try /etc/init.d/networking restart or ifup eth2
20:13<abrotman>you could try /etc/init.d/networking restart or ifup eth2
20:13<abrotman>you could try /etc/init.d/networking restart or ifup eth2
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20:13<kmullins>ok
20:13<kmullins>ok
20:13<kmullins>ok
20:13<kmullins>ok
20:13<kmullins>ok
20:13<kmullins>ok
20:13<kmullins>let me see what i can do. if i disconnect i'll be back
20:13<kmullins>let me see what i can do. if i disconnect i'll be back
20:13<kmullins>let me see what i can do. if i disconnect i'll be back
20:13<kmullins>let me see what i can do. if i disconnect i'll be back
20:13<kmullins>let me see what i can do. if i disconnect i'll be back
20:13<kmullins>let me see what i can do. if i disconnect i'll be back
20:13<abrotman>hopefully!
20:13<abrotman>hopefully!
20:13<abrotman>hopefully!
20:13<abrotman>hopefully!
20:13<abrotman>hopefully!
20:13<abrotman>hopefully!
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20:14<cockroach>aah, got radeon kms working, did my pointless thing for this week :)
20:14<cockroach>aah, got radeon kms working, did my pointless thing for this week :)
20:14<cockroach>aah, got radeon kms working, did my pointless thing for this week :)
20:14<cockroach>aah, got radeon kms working, did my pointless thing for this week :)
20:14<cockroach>aah, got radeon kms working, did my pointless thing for this week :)
20:14<cockroach>aah, got radeon kms working, did my pointless thing for this week :)
20:14<kmullins>when i try ifup eth2 i get one peculiar error, "device or resousy"rce bu
20:14<kmullins>when i try ifup eth2 i get one peculiar error, "device or resousy"rce bu
20:14<kmullins>when i try ifup eth2 i get one peculiar error, "device or resousy"rce bu
20:14<kmullins>when i try ifup eth2 i get one peculiar error, "device or resousy"rce bu
20:14<kmullins>when i try ifup eth2 i get one peculiar error, "device or resousy"rce bu
20:14<kmullins>when i try ifup eth2 i get one peculiar error, "device or resousy"rce bu
20:15<abrotman>busy
20:15<abrotman>busy
20:15<abrotman>busy
20:15<abrotman>busy
20:15<abrotman>busy
20:15<abrotman>busy
20:15<abrotman>how did you do that
20:15<abrotman>how did you do that
20:15<abrotman>how did you do that
20:15<abrotman>how did you do that
20:15<abrotman>how did you do that
20:15<abrotman>how did you do that
20:15<abrotman>anyways .. go the lazy man route ..
20:15<abrotman>anyways .. go the lazy man route ..
20:15<abrotman>anyways .. go the lazy man route ..
20:15<abrotman>anyways .. go the lazy man route ..
20:15<abrotman>anyways .. go the lazy man route ..
20:15<abrotman>anyways .. go the lazy man route ..
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20:15<kmullins>okay. I'll be back after the restart
20:15<kmullins>okay. I'll be back after the restart
20:15<kmullins>okay. I'll be back after the restart
20:15<kmullins>okay. I'll be back after the restart
20:15<kmullins>okay. I'll be back after the restart
20:15<kmullins>okay. I'll be back after the restart
20:15<abrotman>hopefully
20:15<abrotman>hopefully
20:15<abrotman>hopefully
20:15<abrotman>hopefully
20:15<abrotman>hopefully
20:15<abrotman>hopefully
20:15<kmullins>lol
20:15<kmullins>lol
20:15<kmullins>lol
20:15<kmullins>lol
20:15<kmullins>lol
20:15<kmullins>lol
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20:19<Rhapsody>Well, I'm pretty much ready to proceed with Debian install (once I've slept). Two questions left though. Is ext4 now good enough to use for my home partition, and am I likely to see the testing installer get flummoxed when asked to delete and recreate a partition (as I heard for one user's story)?
20:19<Rhapsody>Well, I'm pretty much ready to proceed with Debian install (once I've slept). Two questions left though. Is ext4 now good enough to use for my home partition, and am I likely to see the testing installer get flummoxed when asked to delete and recreate a partition (as I heard for one user's story)?
20:19<Rhapsody>Well, I'm pretty much ready to proceed with Debian install (once I've slept). Two questions left though. Is ext4 now good enough to use for my home partition, and am I likely to see the testing installer get flummoxed when asked to delete and recreate a partition (as I heard for one user's story)?
20:19<Rhapsody>Well, I'm pretty much ready to proceed with Debian install (once I've slept). Two questions left though. Is ext4 now good enough to use for my home partition, and am I likely to see the testing installer get flummoxed when asked to delete and recreate a partition (as I heard for one user's story)?
20:19<Rhapsody>Well, I'm pretty much ready to proceed with Debian install (once I've slept). Two questions left though. Is ext4 now good enough to use for my home partition, and am I likely to see the testing installer get flummoxed when asked to delete and recreate a partition (as I heard for one user's story)?
20:19<Rhapsody>Well, I'm pretty much ready to proceed with Debian install (once I've slept). Two questions left though. Is ext4 now good enough to use for my home partition, and am I likely to see the testing installer get flummoxed when asked to delete and recreate a partition (as I heard for one user's story)?
20:19<Rhapsody>Also, I meant to say root partition for ext4. All others will remain ext3.
20:19<Rhapsody>Also, I meant to say root partition for ext4. All others will remain ext3.
20:19<Rhapsody>Also, I meant to say root partition for ext4. All others will remain ext3.
20:19<Rhapsody>Also, I meant to say root partition for ext4. All others will remain ext3.
20:19<Rhapsody>Also, I meant to say root partition for ext4. All others will remain ext3.
20:19<Rhapsody>Also, I meant to say root partition for ext4. All others will remain ext3.
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20:21<abrotman>ext4 isn't available in the lenny installer
20:21<abrotman>ext4 isn't available in the lenny installer
20:21<abrotman>ext4 isn't available in the lenny installer
20:21<abrotman>ext4 isn't available in the lenny installer
20:21<abrotman>ext4 isn't available in the lenny installer
20:21<abrotman>ext4 isn't available in the lenny installer
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20:21<Rhapsody>That doesn't answer my question, I just burned a testing installer.
20:21<Rhapsody>That doesn't answer my question, I just burned a testing installer.
20:21<Rhapsody>That doesn't answer my question, I just burned a testing installer.
20:21<Rhapsody>That doesn't answer my question, I just burned a testing installer.
20:21<Rhapsody>That doesn't answer my question, I just burned a testing installer.
20:21<Rhapsody>That doesn't answer my question, I just burned a testing installer.
20:22<abrotman>the kernel developers thought it was stable enough ..
20:22<abrotman>the kernel developers thought it was stable enough ..
20:22<abrotman>the kernel developers thought it was stable enough ..
20:22<abrotman>the kernel developers thought it was stable enough ..
20:22<abrotman>the kernel developers thought it was stable enough ..
20:22<abrotman>the kernel developers thought it was stable enough ..
20:23<Rhapsody>Well it's been stable for a year as of yesterday (today if you're in America).
20:23<Rhapsody>Well it's been stable for a year as of yesterday (today if you're in America).
20:23<Rhapsody>Well it's been stable for a year as of yesterday (today if you're in America).
20:23<Rhapsody>Well it's been stable for a year as of yesterday (today if you're in America).
20:23<Rhapsody>Well it's been stable for a year as of yesterday (today if you're in America).
20:23<Rhapsody>Well it's been stable for a year as of yesterday (today if you're in America).
20:23<abrotman>what about iceland?!
20:23<abrotman>what about iceland?!
20:23<abrotman>what about iceland?!
20:23<abrotman>what about iceland?!
20:23<abrotman>what about iceland?!
20:23<abrotman>what about iceland?!
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20:23<Rhapsody>But conservatism with filesystems is good, and ext3 has served me pretty well for three years now.
20:23<Rhapsody>But conservatism with filesystems is good, and ext3 has served me pretty well for three years now.
20:23<Rhapsody>But conservatism with filesystems is good, and ext3 has served me pretty well for three years now.
20:23<Rhapsody>But conservatism with filesystems is good, and ext3 has served me pretty well for three years now.
20:23<Rhapsody>But conservatism with filesystems is good, and ext3 has served me pretty well for three years now.
20:23<Rhapsody>But conservatism with filesystems is good, and ext3 has served me pretty well for three years now.
20:24<Rhapsody>I'll probably keep consistency and stick with ext3.
20:24<Rhapsody>I'll probably keep consistency and stick with ext3.
20:24<Rhapsody>I'll probably keep consistency and stick with ext3.
20:24<Rhapsody>I'll probably keep consistency and stick with ext3.
20:24<Rhapsody>I'll probably keep consistency and stick with ext3.
20:24<Rhapsody>I'll probably keep consistency and stick with ext3.
20:24<kmullins>Okay, I think I'm getting closer.
20:24<kmullins>Okay, I think I'm getting closer.
20:24<kmullins>Okay, I think I'm getting closer.
20:24<kmullins>Okay, I think I'm getting closer.
20:24<kmullins>Okay, I think I'm getting closer.
20:24<kmullins>Okay, I think I'm getting closer.
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20:25<kmullins>abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/49687/
20:25<kmullins>abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/49687/
20:25<kmullins>abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/49687/
20:25<kmullins>abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/49687/
20:25<kmullins>abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/49687/
20:25<kmullins>abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/49687/
20:25<kmullins>My link quality is 0/92, does that mean still no connection?
20:25<kmullins>My link quality is 0/92, does that mean still no connection?
20:25<kmullins>My link quality is 0/92, does that mean still no connection?
20:25<kmullins>My link quality is 0/92, does that mean still no connection?
20:25<kmullins>My link quality is 0/92, does that mean still no connection?
20:25<kmullins>My link quality is 0/92, does that mean still no connection?
20:26<abrotman>you have three NICs ?
20:26<abrotman>you have three NICs ?
20:26<abrotman>you have three NICs ?
20:26<abrotman>you have three NICs ?
20:26<abrotman>you have three NICs ?
20:26<abrotman>you have three NICs ?
20:26<abrotman>kmullins: ethtool -i eth2;ethtool -i eth1
20:26<abrotman>kmullins: ethtool -i eth2;ethtool -i eth1
20:26<abrotman>kmullins: ethtool -i eth2;ethtool -i eth1
20:26<abrotman>kmullins: ethtool -i eth2;ethtool -i eth1
20:26<abrotman>kmullins: ethtool -i eth2;ethtool -i eth1
20:26<abrotman>kmullins: ethtool -i eth2;ethtool -i eth1
20:26<kmullins>Built in ethernet, wifi, and firewire which could be an nic
20:26<kmullins>Built in ethernet, wifi, and firewire which could be an nic
20:26<kmullins>Built in ethernet, wifi, and firewire which could be an nic
20:26<kmullins>Built in ethernet, wifi, and firewire which could be an nic
20:26<kmullins>Built in ethernet, wifi, and firewire which could be an nic
20:26<kmullins>Built in ethernet, wifi, and firewire which could be an nic
20:26<abrotman>yeah .. i think we just configured your firewire ?
20:26<abrotman>yeah .. i think we just configured your firewire ?
20:26<abrotman>yeah .. i think we just configured your firewire ?
20:26<abrotman>yeah .. i think we just configured your firewire ?
20:26<abrotman>yeah .. i think we just configured your firewire ?
20:26<abrotman>yeah .. i think we just configured your firewire ?
20:26<kmullins>lol
20:26<kmullins>lol
20:26<kmullins>lol
20:26<kmullins>lol
20:26<kmullins>lol
20:26<kmullins>lol
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20:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 390] by debhelper
20:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 390] by debhelper
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20:27<kmullins>I noticed during the startup it renames eth1 (wifi) to eth2 for some reason
20:27<kmullins>I noticed during the startup it renames eth1 (wifi) to eth2 for some reason
20:27<kmullins>I noticed during the startup it renames eth1 (wifi) to eth2 for some reason
20:27<kmullins>I noticed during the startup it renames eth1 (wifi) to eth2 for some reason
20:27<kmullins>I noticed during the startup it renames eth1 (wifi) to eth2 for some reason
20:27<kmullins>I noticed during the startup it renames eth1 (wifi) to eth2 for some reason
20:27<abrotman>well .. we'll see with ethtool says first
20:27<abrotman>well .. we'll see with ethtool says first
20:27<abrotman>well .. we'll see with ethtool says first
20:27<abrotman>well .. we'll see with ethtool says first
20:27<abrotman>well .. we'll see with ethtool says first
20:27<abrotman>well .. we'll see with ethtool says first
20:28<kmullins>ok, let me apt-get it real quickly
20:28<kmullins>ok, let me apt-get it real quickly
20:28<kmullins>ok, let me apt-get it real quickly
20:28<kmullins>ok, let me apt-get it real quickly
20:28<kmullins>ok, let me apt-get it real quickly
20:28<kmullins>ok, let me apt-get it real quickly
20:29<kmullins>eth1 -- No such device
20:29<kmullins>eth1 -- No such device
20:29<kmullins>eth1 -- No such device
20:29<kmullins>eth1 -- No such device
20:29<kmullins>eth1 -- No such device
20:29<kmullins>eth1 -- No such device
20:29<kmullins>eth2 shows my wifi card (lucent/agere firmware)
20:29<kmullins>eth2 shows my wifi card (lucent/agere firmware)
20:29<kmullins>eth2 shows my wifi card (lucent/agere firmware)
20:29<kmullins>eth2 shows my wifi card (lucent/agere firmware)
20:29<kmullins>eth2 shows my wifi card (lucent/agere firmware)
20:29<kmullins>eth2 shows my wifi card (lucent/agere firmware)
20:29<abrotman>well .. we can fix the renaming if you really want
20:29<abrotman>well .. we can fix the renaming if you really want
20:29<abrotman>well .. we can fix the renaming if you really want
20:29<abrotman>well .. we can fix the renaming if you really want
20:29<abrotman>well .. we can fix the renaming if you really want
20:29<abrotman>well .. we can fix the renaming if you really want
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20:29<kmullins>I'm not worried about it
20:29<kmullins>I'm not worried about it
20:29<kmullins>I'm not worried about it
20:29<kmullins>I'm not worried about it
20:29<kmullins>I'm not worried about it
20:29<kmullins>I'm not worried about it
20:29<kmullins>eth2 is fine for me
20:29<kmullins>eth2 is fine for me
20:29<kmullins>eth2 is fine for me
20:29<kmullins>eth2 is fine for me
20:29<kmullins>eth2 is fine for me
20:29<kmullins>eth2 is fine for me
20:30<abrotman>and if you try iwlist eth2 scanning , it dies again ?
20:30<abrotman>and if you try iwlist eth2 scanning , it dies again ?
20:30<abrotman>and if you try iwlist eth2 scanning , it dies again ?
20:30<abrotman>and if you try iwlist eth2 scanning , it dies again ?
20:30<abrotman>and if you try iwlist eth2 scanning , it dies again ?
20:30<abrotman>and if you try iwlist eth2 scanning , it dies again ?
20:30<abrotman>it seems like the wifi isn't near enough ?
20:30<abrotman>it seems like the wifi isn't near enough ?
20:30<abrotman>it seems like the wifi isn't near enough ?
20:30<abrotman>it seems like the wifi isn't near enough ?
20:30<abrotman>it seems like the wifi isn't near enough ?
20:30<abrotman>it seems like the wifi isn't near enough ?
20:30<kmullins>okay this time it says scan completed. and it shows the router in cell 01
20:30<kmullins>okay this time it says scan completed. and it shows the router in cell 01
20:30<kmullins>okay this time it says scan completed. and it shows the router in cell 01
20:30<kmullins>okay this time it says scan completed. and it shows the router in cell 01
20:30<kmullins>okay this time it says scan completed. and it shows the router in cell 01
20:30<kmullins>okay this time it says scan completed. and it shows the router in cell 01
20:31<abrotman>seems like it should work, but it's going to be very spotty ?
20:31<abrotman>seems like it should work, but it's going to be very spotty ?
20:31<abrotman>seems like it should work, but it's going to be very spotty ?
20:31<abrotman>seems like it should work, but it's going to be very spotty ?
20:31<abrotman>seems like it should work, but it's going to be very spotty ?
20:31<abrotman>seems like it should work, but it's going to be very spotty ?
20:31<kmullins>hmm
20:31<kmullins>hmm
20:31<kmullins>hmm
20:31<kmullins>hmm
20:31<kmullins>hmm
20:31<kmullins>hmm
20:31<abrotman>i'd make sure the thing is well connected
20:31<abrotman>i'd make sure the thing is well connected
20:31<abrotman>i'd make sure the thing is well connected
20:31<abrotman>i'd make sure the thing is well connected
20:31<abrotman>i'd make sure the thing is well connected
20:31<abrotman>i'd make sure the thing is well connected
20:31<kmullins>how can i test it without disconnecting from the wired network?
20:31<kmullins>how can i test it without disconnecting from the wired network?
20:31<kmullins>how can i test it without disconnecting from the wired network?
20:31<kmullins>how can i test it without disconnecting from the wired network?
20:31<kmullins>how can i test it without disconnecting from the wired network?
20:31<kmullins>how can i test it without disconnecting from the wired network?
20:32<abrotman>if you type 'dmesg | grep Connected' ... do you get a lot of lines ?
20:32<abrotman>if you type 'dmesg | grep Connected' ... do you get a lot of lines ?
20:32<abrotman>if you type 'dmesg | grep Connected' ... do you get a lot of lines ?
20:32<abrotman>if you type 'dmesg | grep Connected' ... do you get a lot of lines ?
20:32<abrotman>if you type 'dmesg | grep Connected' ... do you get a lot of lines ?
20:32<abrotman>if you type 'dmesg | grep Connected' ... do you get a lot of lines ?
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20:32<kmullins>yeah, like 20
20:32<kmullins>yeah, like 20
20:32<kmullins>yeah, like 20
20:32<kmullins>yeah, like 20
20:32<kmullins>yeah, like 20
20:32<kmullins>yeah, like 20
20:32<patrick>hello
20:32<patrick>hello
20:32<patrick>hello
20:32<patrick>hello
20:32<patrick>hello
20:32<patrick>hello
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20:33<patrick>anyone know where i can find a copy of spectraplus
20:33<patrick>anyone know where i can find a copy of spectraplus
20:33<patrick>anyone know where i can find a copy of spectraplus
20:33<patrick>anyone know where i can find a copy of spectraplus
20:33<patrick>anyone know where i can find a copy of spectraplus
20:33<patrick>anyone know where i can find a copy of spectraplus
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20:33<kmullins>patrick: spectraplus.com?
20:33<kmullins>patrick: spectraplus.com?
20:33<kmullins>patrick: spectraplus.com?
20:33<kmullins>patrick: spectraplus.com?
20:33<kmullins>patrick: spectraplus.com?
20:33<kmullins>patrick: spectraplus.com?
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20:35<abrotman>kmullins: and really the best way to test is to pull the eth cable
20:35<abrotman>kmullins: and really the best way to test is to pull the eth cable
20:35<abrotman>kmullins: and really the best way to test is to pull the eth cable
20:35<abrotman>kmullins: and really the best way to test is to pull the eth cable
20:35<abrotman>kmullins: and really the best way to test is to pull the eth cable
20:35<abrotman>kmullins: and really the best way to test is to pull the eth cable
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20:35<kmullins>abrotman: allrighty. ill give it a try
20:35<kmullins>abrotman: allrighty. ill give it a try
20:35<kmullins>abrotman: allrighty. ill give it a try
20:35<kmullins>abrotman: allrighty. ill give it a try
20:35<kmullins>abrotman: allrighty. ill give it a try
20:35<kmullins>abrotman: allrighty. ill give it a try
20:35<overddose>whats the best windows box on debian?
20:35<overddose>whats the best windows box on debian?
20:35<overddose>whats the best windows box on debian?
20:35<overddose>whats the best windows box on debian?
20:35<overddose>whats the best windows box on debian?
20:35<overddose>whats the best windows box on debian?
20:35<abrotman>windows box ?
20:35<abrotman>windows box ?
20:35<abrotman>windows box ?
20:35<abrotman>windows box ?
20:35<abrotman>windows box ?
20:35<abrotman>windows box ?
20:36<abrotman>!poll
20:36<abrotman>!poll
20:36<abrotman>!poll
20:36<abrotman>!poll
20:36<abrotman>!poll
20:36<abrotman>!poll
20:36<dpkg>"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
20:36<dpkg>"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
20:36<dpkg>"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
20:36<dpkg>"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
20:36<dpkg>"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
20:36<dpkg>"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
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20:36<overddose>pretty simple question :/
20:36<overddose>pretty simple question :/
20:36<overddose>pretty simple question :/
20:36<overddose>pretty simple question :/
20:36<overddose>pretty simple question :/
20:36<overddose>pretty simple question :/
20:37<abrotman>!best
20:37<abrotman>!best
20:37<abrotman>!best
20:37<abrotman>!best
20:37<abrotman>!best
20:37<abrotman>!best
20:37<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
20:37<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
20:37<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
20:37<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
20:37<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
20:37<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
20:37<kmullins>hmm
20:37<kmullins>hmm
20:37<kmullins>hmm
20:37<kmullins>hmm
20:37<kmullins>hmm
20:37<kmullins>hmm
20:37<kmullins>I don't think its working
20:37<kmullins>I don't think its working
20:37<kmullins>I don't think its working
20:37<kmullins>I don't think its working
20:37<kmullins>I don't think its working
20:37<kmullins>I don't think its working
20:38<abrotman>you're still talking ?
20:38<abrotman>you're still talking ?
20:38<abrotman>you're still talking ?
20:38<abrotman>you're still talking ?
20:38<abrotman>you're still talking ?
20:38<abrotman>you're still talking ?
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20:40<kmullins>I like openbox ... works great for me
20:40<kmullins>I like openbox ... works great for me20:40 < kmullins> I like openbox ... works great for me
20:40<kmullins>I like openbox ... works great for me
20:40<kmullins>I like openbox ... works great for me
20:40<kmullins>I like openbox ... works great for me
20:40<kmullins>abrotman: So it appears the settings are correct but my link quality is 0/92. the router is right next to my laptop. any other ideas?
20:40<kmullins>abrotman: So it appears the settings are correct but my link quality is 0/92. the router is right next to my laptop. any other ideas?
20:40<kmullins>abrotman: So it appears the settings are correct but my link quality is 0/92. the router is right next to my laptop. any other ideas?
20:40<kmullins>abrotman: So it appears the settings are correct but my link quality is 0/92. the router is right next to my laptop. any other ideas?
20:40<kmullins>abrotman: So it appears the settings are correct but my link quality is 0/92. the router is right next to my laptop. any other ideas?
20:40<kmullins>abrotman: So it appears the settings are correct but my link quality is 0/92. the router is right next to my laptop. any other ideas?
20:40<abrotman>get an antenna ?
20:40<abrotman>get an antenna ?
20:40<abrotman>get an antenna ?
20:40<abrotman>get an antenna ?
20:40<abrotman>get an antenna ?
20:40<abrotman>get an antenna ?
20:42<kmullins>lol. its plugged in. any others?
20:42<kmullins>lol. its plugged in. any others?
20:42<kmullins>lol. its plugged in. any others?
20:42<kmullins>lol. its plugged in. any others?
20:42<kmullins>lol. its plugged in. any others?
20:42<kmullins>lol. its plugged in. any others?
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20:43<kmullins>I just feel like I'm missing something here. Like it's just not creating a connectiong. Handshaking or whatever it's called.
20:43<kmullins>I just feel like I'm missing something here. Like it's just not creating a connectiong. Handshaking or whatever it's called.
20:43<kmullins>I just feel like I'm missing something here. Like it's just not creating a connectiong. Handshaking or whatever it's called.
20:43<kmullins>I just feel like I'm missing something here. Like it's just not creating a connectiong. Handshaking or whatever it's called.
20:43<kmullins>I just feel like I'm missing something here. Like it's just not creating a connectiong. Handshaking or whatever it's called.
20:43<kmullins>I just feel like I'm missing something here. Like it's just not creating a connectiong. Handshaking or whatever it's called.
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20:45<zik>ciao a tutti
20:45<zik>ciao a tutti
20:45<zik>ciao a tutti
20:45<zik>ciao a tutti
20:45<zik>ciao a tutti
20:45<zik>ciao a tutti
20:45<kmullins>abrotman: I think I might be on to something. Tell me if this gives you any ideas. When I run dhclient now, it actually shows it's listening and sending on eth2.
20:45<kmullins>abrotman: I think I might be on to something. Tell me if this gives you any ideas. When I run dhclient now, it actually shows it's listening and sending on eth2.
20:45<kmullins>abrotman: I think I might be on to something. Tell me if this gives you any ideas. When I run dhclient now, it actually shows it's listening and sending on eth2.
20:45<kmullins>abrotman: I think I might be on to something. Tell me if this gives you any ideas. When I run dhclient now, it actually shows it's listening and sending on eth2.
20:45<kmullins>abrotman: I think I might be on to something. Tell me if this gives you any ideas. When I run dhclient now, it actually shows it's listening and sending on eth2.
20:45<kmullins>abrotman: I think I might be on to something. Tell me if this gives you any ideas. When I run dhclient now, it actually shows it's listening and sending on eth2.
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20:45<sney>!it
20:45<sney>!it
20:45<sney>!it
20:45<sney>!it
20:45<sney>!it
20:45<sney>!it
20:45<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
20:45<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
20:45<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
20:45<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
20:45<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
20:45<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
20:45<zik>thanks
20:45<zik>thanks
20:45<zik>thanks
20:45<zik>thanks
20:45<zik>thanks
20:45<zik>thanks
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20:46<abrotman>kmullins: oh it's possible that the pcmcia stuff is starting after networking .. so when it boots it might be out of order
20:46<abrotman>kmullins: oh it's possible that the pcmcia stuff is starting after networking .. so when it boots it might be out of order
20:46<abrotman>kmullins: oh it's possible that the pcmcia stuff is starting after networking .. so when it boots it might be out of order
20:46<abrotman>kmullins: oh it's possible that the pcmcia stuff is starting after networking .. so when it boots it might be out of order
20:46<abrotman>kmullins: oh it's possible that the pcmcia stuff is starting after networking .. so when it boots it might be out of order
20:46<abrotman>kmullins: oh it's possible that the pcmcia stuff is starting after networking .. so when it boots it might be out of order
20:46<kmullins>hmm
20:46<kmullins>hmm
20:46<kmullins>hmm
20:46<kmullins>hmm
20:46<kmullins>hmm
20:46<kmullins>hmm
20:48<overddose>once i installed openbox, where would i find it :/
20:48<overddose>once i installed openbox, where would i find it :/
20:48<overddose>once i installed openbox, where would i find it :/
20:48<overddose>once i installed openbox, where would i find it :/
20:48<overddose>once i installed openbox, where would i find it :/
20:48<overddose>once i installed openbox, where would i find it :/
20:48<kmullins>When I unplug my wired connection and I try to access my router's admin page. I get an error saying it "refused my connection". Any other web sites just don't connect.
20:48<kmullins>When I unplug my wired connection and I try to access my router's admin page. I get an error saying it "refused my connection". Any other web sites just don't connect.
20:48<kmullins>When I unplug my wired connection and I try to access my router's admin page. I get an error saying it "refused my connection". Any other web sites just don't connect.
20:48<kmullins>When I unplug my wired connection and I try to access my router's admin page. I get an error saying it "refused my connection". Any other web sites just don't connect.
20:48<kmullins>When I unplug my wired connection and I try to access my router's admin page. I get an error saying it "refused my connection". Any other web sites just don't connect.
20:48<kmullins>When I unplug my wired connection and I try to access my router's admin page. I get an error saying it "refused my connection". Any other web sites just don't connect.
20:48<overddose>wait
20:48<overddose>wait
20:48<overddose>wait
20:48<overddose>wait
20:48<overddose>wait
20:48<overddose>wait
20:48<overddose>wut
20:48<overddose>wut
20:48<overddose>wut
20:48<overddose>wut
20:48<overddose>wut
20:48<overddose>wut
20:48<overddose>FFFFFFFFf
20:48<overddose>FFFFFFFFf
20:48<overddose>FFFFFFFFf
20:48<overddose>FFFFFFFFf
20:48<overddose>FFFFFFFFf
20:48<overddose>FFFFFFFFf
20:48<overddose>i need a Windows shell.
20:48<overddose>i need a Windows shell.
20:48<overddose>i need a Windows shell.
20:48<overddose>i need a Windows shell.
20:48<overddose>i need a Windows shell.
20:48<overddose>i need a Windows shell.
20:49<abrotman>kmullins: do you restart networking after you unplug the cable ?
20:49<abrotman>kmullins: do you restart networking after you unplug the cable ?
20:49<abrotman>kmullins: do you restart networking after you unplug the cable ?
20:49<abrotman>kmullins: do you restart networking after you unplug the cable ?
20:49<abrotman>kmullins: do you restart networking after you unplug the cable ?
20:49<abrotman>kmullins: do you restart networking after you unplug the cable ?
20:49<kmullins>abrotman: Nope. Should I try that?
20:49<kmullins>abrotman: Nope. Should I try that?
20:49<kmullins>abrotman: Nope. Should I try that?
20:49<kmullins>abrotman: Nope. Should I try that?
20:49<kmullins>abrotman: Nope. Should I try that?
20:49<kmullins>abrotman: Nope. Should I try that?
20:49<abrotman>yes
20:49<abrotman>yes
20:49<abrotman>yes
20:49<abrotman>yes
20:49<abrotman>yes
20:49<abrotman>yes
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20:49<kmullins>abrotman: What's the command I should try?
20:49<kmullins>abrotman: What's the command I should try?
20:49<kmullins>abrotman: What's the command I should try?
20:49<kmullins>abrotman: What's the command I should try?
20:49<kmullins>abrotman: What's the command I should try?
20:49<kmullins>abrotman: What's the command I should try?
20:49<abrotman>/etc/init.d/networking restart
20:49<abrotman>/etc/init.d/networking restart
20:49<abrotman>/etc/init.d/networking restart
20:49<abrotman>/etc/init.d/networking restart
20:49<abrotman>/etc/init.d/networking restart
20:49<abrotman>/etc/init.d/networking restart
20:50<kmullins>abrotman: Okay I'll try that. Thanks
20:50<kmullins>abrotman: Okay I'll try that. Thanks
20:50<kmullins>abrotman: Okay I'll try that. Thanks
20:50<kmullins>abrotman: Okay I'll try that. Thanks
20:50<kmullins>abrotman: Okay I'll try that. Thanks
20:50<kmullins>abrotman: Okay I'll try that. Thanks
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20:51<kmullins>abrotman: wow. That didn't work out well at all.
20:51<kmullins>abrotman: wow. That didn't work out well at all.
20:51<kmullins>abrotman: wow. That didn't work out well at all.
20:51<kmullins>abrotman: wow. That didn't work out well at all.
20:51<kmullins>abrotman: wow. That didn't work out well at all.
20:51<kmullins>abrotman: wow. That didn't work out well at all.
20:51<abrotman>you're still here?
20:51<abrotman>you're still here?
20:51<abrotman>you're still here?
20:51<abrotman>you're still here?
20:51<abrotman>you're still here?
20:51<abrotman>you're still here?
20:51<abrotman>what did it say ?
20:51<abrotman>what did it say ?
20:51<abrotman>what did it say ?
20:51<abrotman>what did it say ?
20:51<abrotman>what did it say ?
20:51<abrotman>what did it say ?
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20:53<kmullins>abrotman: Well I didn't have any errors. But, iwconfig showed that my essid was cleared. Dhclient tried to send packets but it kept saying "Network is down"
20:53<kmullins>abrotman: Well I didn't have any errors. But, iwconfig showed that my essid was cleared. Dhclient tried to send packets but it kept saying "Network is down"
20:53<kmullins>abrotman: Well I didn't have any errors. But, iwconfig showed that my essid was cleared. Dhclient tried to send packets but it kept saying "Network is down"
20:53<kmullins>abrotman: Well I didn't have any errors. But, iwconfig showed that my essid was cleared. Dhclient tried to send packets but it kept saying "Network is down"
20:53<kmullins>abrotman: Well I didn't have any errors. But, iwconfig showed that my essid was cleared. Dhclient tried to send packets but it kept saying "Network is down"
20:53<kmullins>abrotman: Well I didn't have any errors. But, iwconfig showed that my essid was cleared. Dhclient tried to send packets but it kept saying "Network is down"
20:53<abrotman>because you have no signal for some reason
20:53<abrotman>because you have no signal for some reason
20:53<abrotman>because you have no signal for some reason
20:53<abrotman>because you have no signal for some reason
20:53<abrotman>because you have no signal for some reason
20:53<abrotman>because you have no signal for some reason
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20:54<abrotman>i wonder if you can increase the power ...
20:54<abrotman>i wonder if you can increase the power ...
20:54<abrotman>i wonder if you can increase the power ...
20:54<abrotman>i wonder if you can increase the power ...
20:54<abrotman>i wonder if you can increase the power ...
20:54<abrotman>i wonder if you can increase the power ...
20:54<kmullins>ahh true
20:54<kmullins>ahh true
20:54<kmullins>ahh true
20:54<kmullins>ahh true
20:54<kmullins>ahh true
20:54<kmullins>ahh true
20:55<Iced_Dragon>Ag
20:55<Iced_Dragon>Ag
20:55<Iced_Dragon>Ag
20:55<Iced_Dragon>Ag
20:55<Iced_Dragon>Ag
20:55<Iced_Dragon>Ag
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20:55<overddose>is there a list somewhere of all of the raid items that are compatible with linux?
20:55<overddose>is there a list somewhere of all of the raid items that are compatible with linux?
20:55<overddose>is there a list somewhere of all of the raid items that are compatible with linux?
20:55<overddose>is there a list somewhere of all of the raid items that are compatible with linux?
20:55<overddose>is there a list somewhere of all of the raid items that are compatible with linux?
20:55<overddose>is there a list somewhere of all of the raid items that are compatible with linux?
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20:56<kmullins>abrotman: I appreciate all of the help. I'll mess around with the antannae and see if I can get any better results.
20:56<kmullins>abrotman: I appreciate all of the help. I'll mess around with the antannae and see if I can get any better results.
20:56<kmullins>abrotman: I appreciate all of the help. I'll mess around with the antannae and see if I can get any better results.
20:56<kmullins>abrotman: I appreciate all of the help. I'll mess around with the antannae and see if I can get any better results.
20:56<kmullins>abrotman: I appreciate all of the help. I'll mess around with the antannae and see if I can get any better results.
20:56<kmullins>abrotman: I appreciate all of the help. I'll mess around with the antannae and see if I can get any better results.
20:56<abrotman>kmullins: also possibly ask #wireless on freenode
20:56<abrotman>kmullins: also possibly ask #wireless on freenode
20:56<abrotman>kmullins: also possibly ask #wireless on freenode
20:56<abrotman>kmullins: also possibly ask #wireless on freenode
20:56<abrotman>kmullins: also possibly ask #wireless on freenode
20:56<abrotman>kmullins: also possibly ask #wireless on freenode
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20:57<kmullins>all right, thanks a lot
20:57<kmullins>all right, thanks a lot
20:57<kmullins>all right, thanks a lot
20:57<kmullins>all right, thanks a lot
20:57<kmullins>all right, thanks a lot
20:57<kmullins>all right, thanks a lot
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21:17<raylu>i feel like i'm missing some fonts. i did a netinstall and it didn't come with a lot
21:17<raylu>i feel like i'm missing some fonts. i did a netinstall and it didn't come with a lot
21:17<raylu>i feel like i'm missing some fonts. i did a netinstall and it didn't come with a lot
21:17<raylu>i feel like i'm missing some fonts. i did a netinstall and it didn't come with a lot
21:17<raylu>i feel like i'm missing some fonts. i did a netinstall and it didn't come with a lot
21:17<raylu>i feel like i'm missing some fonts. i did a netinstall and it didn't come with a lot
21:17<raylu>of things. at the moment, line and arrow characters in mutt aren't diplaying properly in gnome-terminal. any idea what fonts i should install? (locale reports en_US.UTF8)
21:17<raylu>of things. at the moment, line and arrow characters in mutt aren't diplaying properly in gnome-terminal. any idea what fonts i should install? (locale reports en_US.UTF8)
21:17<raylu>of things. at the moment, line and arrow characters in mutt aren't diplaying properly in gnome-terminal. any idea what fonts i should install? (locale reports en_US.UTF8)
21:17<raylu>of things. at the moment, line and arrow characters in mutt aren't diplaying properly in gnome-terminal. any idea what fonts i should install? (locale reports en_US.UTF8)
21:17<raylu>of things. at the moment, line and arrow characters in mutt aren't diplaying properly in gnome-terminal. any idea what fonts i should install? (locale reports en_US.UTF8)
21:17<raylu>of things. at the moment, line and arrow characters in mutt aren't diplaying properly in gnome-terminal. any idea what fonts i should install? (locale reports en_US.UTF8)
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21:22<abrotman>raylu: have you tried another terminal ?
21:22<abrotman>raylu: have you tried another terminal ?
21:22<abrotman>raylu: have you tried another terminal ?
21:22<abrotman>raylu: have you tried another terminal ?
21:22<abrotman>raylu: have you tried another terminal ?
21:22<abrotman>raylu: have you tried another terminal ?
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21:32<fmr>hi
21:32<fmr>hi
21:32<fmr>hi
21:32<fmr>hi
21:32<fmr>hi
21:32<fmr>hi
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21:32<fmr>what about openal bug in sid ?
21:32<fmr>what about openal bug in sid ?
21:32<fmr>what about openal bug in sid ?
21:32<fmr>what about openal bug in sid ?
21:32<fmr>what about openal bug in sid ?
21:32<fmr>what about openal bug in sid ?
21:32<faheem>fmr: pardon?
21:32<faheem>fmr: pardon?
21:32<faheem>fmr: pardon?
21:32<faheem>fmr: pardon?
21:32<faheem>fmr: pardon?
21:32<faheem>fmr: pardon?
21:33<fmr>depuis quand c'est français ici ?
21:33<fmr>depuis quand c'est français ici ?
21:33<fmr>depuis quand c'est français ici ?
21:33<fmr>depuis quand c'est français ici ?
21:33<fmr>depuis quand c'est français ici ?
21:33<fmr>depuis quand c'est français ici ?
21:33<fmr>:)
21:33<fmr>:)
21:33<fmr>:)
21:33<fmr>:)
21:33<fmr>:)
21:33<fmr>:)
21:33<fmr>faheem: i've segfault on apps that use the latest openal
21:33<fmr>faheem: i've segfault on apps that use the latest openal
21:33<fmr>faheem: i've segfault on apps that use the latest openal
21:33<fmr>faheem: i've segfault on apps that use the latest openal
21:33<fmr>faheem: i've segfault on apps that use the latest openal
21:33<fmr>faheem: i've segfault on apps that use the latest openal
21:33<abrotman>fmr: you just asked this question on the other network .. please don't do that
21:33<abrotman>fmr: you just asked this question on the other network .. please don't do that
21:33<abrotman>fmr: you just asked this question on the other network .. please don't do that
21:33<abrotman>fmr: you just asked this question on the other network .. please don't do that
21:33<abrotman>fmr: you just asked this question on the other network .. please don't do that
21:33<abrotman>fmr: you just asked this question on the other network .. please don't do that
21:33<abrotman>and you were given an answer
21:33<abrotman>and you were given an answer
21:33<abrotman>and you were given an answer
21:33<abrotman>and you were given an answer
21:33<abrotman>and you were given an answer
21:33<abrotman>and you were given an answer
21:33<fmr>why abrotman ?
21:33<fmr>why abrotman ?
21:33<fmr>why abrotman ?
21:33<fmr>why abrotman ?
21:33<fmr>why abrotman ?
21:33<fmr>why abrotman ?
21:34<fmr>abrotman: there was no answer
21:34<fmr>abrotman: there was no answer
21:34<fmr>abrotman: there was no answer
21:34<fmr>abrotman: there was no answer
21:34<fmr>abrotman: there was no answer
21:34<fmr>abrotman: there was no answer
21:34<kop>I www.debian.org/bugs broken? I put "left brace" in "include bugs with subject containing" and get an error message that says I must have something to select on.
21:34<kop>I www.debian.org/bugs broken? I put "left brace" in "include bugs with subject containing" and get an error message that says I must have something to select on.
21:34<kop>I www.debian.org/bugs broken? I put "left brace" in "include bugs with subject containing" and get an error message that says I must have something to select on.
21:34<kop>I www.debian.org/bugs broken? I put "left brace" in "include bugs with subject containing" and get an error message that says I must have something to select on.
21:34<kop>I www.debian.org/bugs broken? I put "left brace" in "include bugs with subject containing" and get an error message that says I must have something to select on.
21:34<kop>I www.debian.org/bugs broken? I put "left brace" in "include bugs with subject containing" and get an error message that says I must have something to select on.
21:34<fmr>abrotman: and all ppl are not on the two channel
21:34<fmr>abrotman: and all ppl are not on the two channel
21:34<fmr>abrotman: and all ppl are not on the two channel
21:34<fmr>abrotman: and all ppl are not on the two channel
21:34<fmr>abrotman: and all ppl are not on the two channel
21:34<fmr>abrotman: and all ppl are not on the two channel
21:34<abrotman>fmr: you said "I found this bug from 8 years ago that matches" and that bug has been closed. Unless you have new information, what's the point?
21:34<abrotman>fmr: you said "I found this bug from 8 years ago that matches" and that bug has been closed. Unless you have new information, what's the point?
21:34<abrotman>fmr: you said "I found this bug from 8 years ago that matches" and that bug has been closed. Unless you have new information, what's the point?
21:34<abrotman>fmr: you said "I found this bug from 8 years ago that matches" and that bug has been closed. Unless you have new information, what's the point?
21:34<abrotman>fmr: you said "I found this bug from 8 years ago that matches" and that bug has been closed. Unless you have new information, what's the point?
21:34<abrotman>fmr: you said "I found this bug from 8 years ago that matches" and that bug has been closed. Unless you have new information, what's the point?
21:34<abrotman>fmr: actually .. they pretty much are on both networks
21:34<abrotman>fmr: actually .. they pretty much are on both networks
21:34<abrotman>fmr: actually .. they pretty much are on both networks
21:34<abrotman>fmr: actually .. they pretty much are on both networks
21:34<abrotman>fmr: actually .. they pretty much are on both networks
21:34<abrotman>fmr: actually .. they pretty much are on both networks
21:35<raylu>abrotman: what should i try? xterm?
21:35<raylu>abrotman: what should i try? xterm?
21:35<raylu>abrotman: what should i try? xterm?
21:35<raylu>abrotman: what should i try? xterm?
21:35<raylu>abrotman: what should i try? xterm?
21:35<raylu>abrotman: what should i try? xterm?
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21:35<fmr>abrotman: the bug is reappairs now with the lastest openal...
21:35<fmr>abrotman: the bug is reappairs now with the lastest openal...
21:35<fmr>abrotman: the bug is reappairs now with the lastest openal...
21:35<fmr>abrotman: the bug is reappairs now with the lastest openal...
21:35<fmr>abrotman: the bug is reappairs now with the lastest openal...
21:35<fmr>abrotman: the bug is reappairs now with the lastest openal...
21:35<abrotman>raylu: sure ..
21:35<abrotman>raylu: sure ..
21:35<abrotman>raylu: sure ..
21:35<abrotman>raylu: sure ..
21:35<abrotman>raylu: sure ..
21:35<abrotman>raylu: sure ..
21:35<abrotman>fmr: get more info .. you're not helping anyone right now
21:35<abrotman>fmr: get more info .. you're not helping anyone right now
21:35<abrotman>fmr: get more info .. you're not helping anyone right now
21:35<abrotman>fmr: get more info .. you're not helping anyone right now
21:35<abrotman>fmr: get more info .. you're not helping anyone right now
21:35<abrotman>fmr: get more info .. you're not helping anyone right now
21:35<abrotman>fmr: are you going to reopen the 8 year old bug ?
21:35<abrotman>fmr: are you going to reopen the 8 year old bug ?
21:35<abrotman>fmr: are you going to reopen the 8 year old bug ?
21:35<abrotman>fmr: are you going to reopen the 8 year old bug ?
21:35<abrotman>fmr: are you going to reopen the 8 year old bug ?
21:35<abrotman>fmr: are you going to reopen the 8 year old bug ?
21:35<fmr>abrotman: nah
21:35<fmr>abrotman: nah
21:35<fmr>abrotman: nah
21:35<fmr>abrotman: nah
21:35<fmr>abrotman: nah
21:35<fmr>abrotman: nah
21:36<fmr>but i'm on sid, the latest version so...
21:36<fmr>but i'm on sid, the latest version so...
21:36<fmr>but i'm on sid, the latest version so...
21:36<fmr>but i'm on sid, the latest version so...
21:36<fmr>but i'm on sid, the latest version so...
21:36<fmr>but i'm on sid, the latest version so...
21:36<abrotman>fmr: is it on the same game ?
21:36<abrotman>fmr: is it on the same game ?
21:36<abrotman>fmr: is it on the same game ?
21:36<abrotman>fmr: is it on the same game ?
21:36<abrotman>fmr: is it on the same game ?
21:36<abrotman>fmr: is it on the same game ?
21:36<fmr>my game
21:36<fmr>my game
21:36<fmr>my game
21:36<fmr>my game
21:36<fmr>my game
21:36<fmr>my game
21:36<fmr>my code
21:36<fmr>my code
21:36<fmr>my code
21:36<fmr>my code
21:36<fmr>my code
21:36<fmr>my code
21:36*abrotman blames your code
21:36*abrotman blames your code
21:36*abrotman blames your code
21:36*abrotman blames your code
21:36*abrotman blames your code
21:36*abrotman blames your code
21:36<fmr>thats worked fined many years
21:36<fmr>thats worked fined many years
21:36<fmr>thats worked fined many years
21:36<fmr>thats worked fined many years
21:36<fmr>thats worked fined many years
21:36<fmr>thats worked fined many years
21:36<fmr>fine*21:36 < fmr> fine*
21:36<fmr>fine*
21:36<fmr>fine*
21:36<fmr>fine*
21:36<fmr>fine*
21:36<abrotman>fmr: you're going to have to test it with another app that uses openal
21:36<abrotman>fmr: you're going to have to test it with another app that uses openal
21:36<abrotman>fmr: you're going to have to test it with another app that uses openal
21:36<abrotman>fmr: you're going to have to test it with another app that uses openal
21:36<abrotman>fmr: you're going to have to test it with another app that uses openal
21:36<abrotman>fmr: you're going to have to test it with another app that uses openal
21:36<fmr>nah
21:36<fmr>nah
21:36<fmr>nah
21:36<fmr>nah
21:36<fmr>nah
21:36<fmr>nah
21:36<fmr>my code is clean about that
21:36<fmr>my code is clean about that
21:36<fmr>my code is clean about that
21:36<fmr>my code is clean about that
21:36<fmr>my code is clean about that
21:36<fmr>my code is clean about that
21:36<raylu>abrotman: rxvt-beta also screws up
21:36<raylu>abrotman: rxvt-beta also screws up
21:36<raylu>abrotman: rxvt-beta also screws up
21:36<raylu>abrotman: rxvt-beta also screws up
21:36<raylu>abrotman: rxvt-beta also screws up
21:36<raylu>abrotman: rxvt-beta also screws up
21:36<fmr>all was change in the last openal
21:36<fmr>all was change in the last openal
21:36<fmr>all was change in the last openal
21:36<fmr>all was change in the last openal
21:36<fmr>all was change in the last openal
21:36<fmr>all was change in the last openal
21:36<abrotman>raylu: but they are terminal fonts ?
21:36<abrotman>raylu: but they are terminal fonts ?
21:36<abrotman>raylu: but they are terminal fonts ?
21:36<abrotman>raylu: but they are terminal fonts ?
21:36<abrotman>raylu: but they are terminal fonts ?
21:36<abrotman>raylu: but they are terminal fonts ?
21:36<fmr>abrotman: yes but i've no idea of what application
21:36<fmr>abrotman: yes but i've no idea of what application
21:36<fmr>abrotman: yes but i've no idea of what application
21:36<fmr>abrotman: yes but i've no idea of what application
21:36<fmr>abrotman: yes but i've no idea of what application
21:36<fmr>abrotman: yes but i've no idea of what application
21:37<abrotman>fmr: libopenal1 ?
21:37<abrotman>fmr: libopenal1 ?
21:37<abrotman>fmr: libopenal1 ?
21:37<abrotman>fmr: libopenal1 ?
21:37<abrotman>fmr: libopenal1 ?
21:37<abrotman>fmr: libopenal1 ?
21:37<raylu>abrotman: terminal fonts? what do you mean? also, i should note that this setup has worked in other gnome-terminals before
21:37<raylu>abrotman: terminal fonts? what do you mean? also, i should note that this setup has worked in other gnome-terminals before
21:37<raylu>abrotman: terminal fonts? what do you mean? also, i should note that this setup has worked in other gnome-terminals before
21:37<raylu>abrotman: terminal fonts? what do you mean? also, i should note that this setup has worked in other gnome-terminals before
21:37<raylu>abrotman: terminal fonts? what do you mean? also, i should note that this setup has worked in other gnome-terminals before
21:37<raylu>abrotman: terminal fonts? what do you mean? also, i should note that this setup has worked in other gnome-terminals before
21:37<fmr>abrotman: yes
21:37<fmr>abrotman: yes
21:37<fmr>abrotman: yes
21:37<fmr>abrotman: yes
21:37<fmr>abrotman: yes
21:37<fmr>abrotman: yes
21:37<abrotman>fmr: apt-cache search rdepends libopenal1
21:37<abrotman>fmr: apt-cache search rdepends libopenal1
21:37<abrotman>fmr: apt-cache search rdepends libopenal1
21:37<abrotman>fmr: apt-cache search rdepends libopenal1
21:37<abrotman>fmr: apt-cache search rdepends libopenal1
21:37<abrotman>fmr: apt-cache search rdepends libopenal1
21:37<raylu>but i also recently installed the server-side, so it may be an issue with screen on the server or something
21:37<raylu>but i also recently installed the server-side, so it may be an issue with screen on the server or something
21:37<raylu>but i also recently installed the server-side, so it may be an issue with screen on the server or something
21:37<raylu>but i also recently installed the server-side, so it may be an issue with screen on the server or something
21:37<raylu>but i also recently installed the server-side, so it may be an issue with screen on the server or something
21:37<raylu>but i also recently installed the server-side, so it may be an issue with screen on the server or something
21:37<fmr>ok thx
21:37<fmr>ok thx
21:37<fmr>ok thx
21:37<fmr>ok thx
21:37<fmr>ok thx
21:37<fmr>ok thx
21:38<fmr>abrotman: no answers :/
21:38<fmr>abrotman: no answers :/
21:38<fmr>abrotman: no answers :/
21:38<fmr>abrotman: no answers :/
21:38<fmr>abrotman: no answers :/
21:38<fmr>abrotman: no answers :/
21:38<abrotman>fmr: no answers to what ?
21:38<abrotman>fmr: no answers to what ?
21:38<abrotman>fmr: no answers to what ?
21:38<abrotman>fmr: no answers to what ?
21:38<abrotman>fmr: no answers to what ?
21:38<abrotman>fmr: no answers to what ?
21:38<abrotman>it's a terminal command
21:38<abrotman>it's a terminal command
21:38<abrotman>it's a terminal command
21:38<abrotman>it's a terminal command
21:38<abrotman>it's a terminal command
21:38<abrotman>it's a terminal command
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21:38<fmr>i know..
21:38<fmr>i know..
21:38<fmr>i know..
21:38<fmr>i know..
21:38<fmr>i know..
21:38<fmr>i know..
21:38<fmr>it answer nothing :)
21:38<fmr>it answer nothing :)
21:38<fmr>it answer nothing :)
21:38<fmr>it answer nothing :)
21:38<fmr>it answer nothing :)
21:38<fmr>it answer nothing :)
21:38<abrotman>fmr: apt-cache search libopenal .. what does it return ?
21:38<abrotman>fmr: apt-cache search libopenal .. what does it return ?
21:38<abrotman>fmr: apt-cache search libopenal .. what does it return ?
21:38<abrotman>fmr: apt-cache search libopenal .. what does it return ?
21:38<abrotman>fmr: apt-cache search libopenal .. what does it return ?
21:38<abrotman>fmr: apt-cache search libopenal .. what does it return ?
21:39<fmr>many answers
21:39<fmr>many answers
21:39<fmr>many answers
21:39<fmr>many answers
21:39<fmr>many answers
21:39<fmr>many answers
21:39<fmr>:)
21:39<fmr>:)
21:39<fmr>:)
21:39<fmr>:)
21:39<fmr>:)
21:39<fmr>:)
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21:39<abrotman>fmr: it does return libopenal1, right? apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 .. make sure you type it in correctly
21:39<abrotman>fmr: it does return libopenal1, right? apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 .. make sure you type it in correctly
21:39<abrotman>fmr: it does return libopenal1, right? apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 .. make sure you type it in correctly
21:39<abrotman>fmr: it does return libopenal1, right? apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 .. make sure you type it in correctly
21:39<abrotman>fmr: it does return libopenal1, right? apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 .. make sure you type it in correctly
21:39<abrotman>fmr: it does return libopenal1, right? apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 .. make sure you type it in correctly
21:40<fmr>it return libopenal1
21:40<fmr>it return libopenal1
21:40<fmr>it return libopenal1
21:40<fmr>it return libopenal1
21:40<fmr>it return libopenal1
21:40<fmr>it return libopenal1
21:40<abrotman>on my system i get about 35 games
21:40<abrotman>on my system i get about 35 games
21:40<abrotman>on my system i get about 35 games
21:40<abrotman>on my system i get about 35 games
21:40<abrotman>on my system i get about 35 games
21:40<abrotman>on my system i get about 35 games
21:40<abrotman>or packages i guess
21:40<abrotman>or packages i guess
21:40<abrotman>or packages i guess
21:40<abrotman>or packages i guess
21:40<abrotman>or packages i guess
21:40<abrotman>or packages i guess
21:40<fmr>oO
21:40<fmr>oO
21:40<fmr>oO
21:40<fmr>oO
21:40<fmr>oO
21:40<fmr>oO
21:40<fmr>i usualy use aptitude
21:40<fmr>i usualy use aptitude
21:40<fmr>i usualy use aptitude
21:40<fmr>i usualy use aptitude
21:40<fmr>i usualy use aptitude
21:40<fmr>i usualy use aptitude
21:41<abrotman>fmr: pastebin the command and the output you're using to search the rdepends
21:41<abrotman>fmr: pastebin the command and the output you're using to search the rdepends
21:41<abrotman>fmr: pastebin the command and the output you're using to search the rdepends
21:41<abrotman>fmr: pastebin the command and the output you're using to search the rdepends
21:41<abrotman>fmr: pastebin the command and the output you're using to search the rdepends
21:41<abrotman>fmr: pastebin the command and the output you're using to search the rdepends
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21:41<abrotman>fmr: and also your /etc/apt/sources.list
21:41<abrotman>fmr: and also your /etc/apt/sources.list
21:41<abrotman>fmr: and also your /etc/apt/sources.list
21:41<abrotman>fmr: and also your /etc/apt/sources.list
21:41<abrotman>fmr: and also your /etc/apt/sources.list
21:41<abrotman>fmr: and also your /etc/apt/sources.list
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21:42<fmr>the two lines fmr-debian:~# apt-cache search rdepends libopenal1
21:42<fmr>the two lines fmr-debian:~# apt-cache search rdepends libopenal1
21:42<fmr>the two lines fmr-debian:~# apt-cache search rdepends libopenal1
21:42<fmr>the two lines fmr-debian:~# apt-cache search rdepends libopenal1
21:42<fmr>the two lines fmr-debian:~# apt-cache search rdepends libopenal1
21:42<fmr>the two lines fmr-debian:~# apt-cache search rdepends libopenal1
21:42<fmr>fmr-debian:~#
21:42<fmr>fmr-debian:~#
21:42<fmr>fmr-debian:~#
21:42<fmr>fmr-debian:~#
21:42<fmr>fmr-debian:~#
21:42<fmr>fmr-debian:~#
21:42<Meths>remove "search"
21:42<Meths>remove "search"
21:42<Meths>remove "search"
21:42<Meths>remove "search"
21:42<Meths>remove "search"
21:42<Meths>remove "search"
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21:44<abrotman>fmr: pastebin the command and the output you're using to search the rdepends
21:44<abrotman>fmr: pastebin the command and the output you're using to search the rdepends
21:44<abrotman>fmr: pastebin the command and the output you're using to search the rdepends
21:44<abrotman>fmr: pastebin the command and the output you're using to search the rdepends
21:44<abrotman>fmr: pastebin the command and the output you're using to search the rdepends
21:44<abrotman>fmr: pastebin the command and the output you're using to search the rdepends
21:44<abrotman>fmr: and also your /etc/apt/sources.list
21:44<abrotman>fmr: and also your /etc/apt/sources.list
21:44<abrotman>fmr: and also your /etc/apt/sources.list
21:44<abrotman>fmr: and also your /etc/apt/sources.list
21:44<abrotman>fmr: and also your /etc/apt/sources.list
21:44<abrotman>fmr: and also your /etc/apt/sources.list
21:44<fmr>vim makes me mad, or konsole or i dunno
21:44<fmr>vim makes me mad, or konsole or i dunno
21:44<fmr>vim makes me mad, or konsole or i dunno
21:44<fmr>vim makes me mad, or konsole or i dunno
21:44<fmr>vim makes me mad, or konsole or i dunno
21:44<fmr>vim makes me mad, or konsole or i dunno
21:44<fmr>it never copy to the correct clipboard
21:44<fmr>it never copy to the correct clipboard
21:44<fmr>it never copy to the correct clipboard
21:44<fmr>it never copy to the correct clipboard
21:44<fmr>it never copy to the correct clipboard
21:44<fmr>it never copy to the correct clipboard
21:44<fmr>grrr
21:44<fmr>grrr
21:44<fmr>grrr
21:44<fmr>grrr
21:44<fmr>grrr
21:44<fmr>grrr
21:44<abrotman>wtf does vim have to do with it ?
21:44<abrotman>wtf does vim have to do with it ?
21:44<abrotman>wtf does vim have to do with it ?
21:44<abrotman>wtf does vim have to do with it ?
21:44<abrotman>wtf does vim have to do with it ?
21:44<abrotman>wtf does vim have to do with it ?
21:44<fmr>for open source.list
21:44<fmr>for open source.list
21:44<fmr>for open source.list
21:44<fmr>for open source.list
21:44<fmr>for open source.list
21:44<fmr>for open source.list
21:44<fmr>and copy it into pastbin
21:44<fmr>and copy it into pastbin
21:44<fmr>and copy it into pastbin
21:44<fmr>and copy it into pastbin
21:44<fmr>and copy it into pastbin
21:44<fmr>and copy it into pastbin
21:44<abrotman>try cat ?
21:44<abrotman>try cat ?
21:44<abrotman>try cat ?
21:44<abrotman>try cat ?
21:44<abrotman>try cat ?
21:44<abrotman>try cat ?
21:45<fmr>yes
21:45<fmr>yes
21:45<fmr>yes
21:45<fmr>yes
21:45<fmr>yes
21:45<fmr>yes
21:45<fmr>:(
21:45<fmr>:(
21:45<fmr>:(
21:45<fmr>:(
21:45<fmr>:(
21:45<fmr>:(
21:45<fmr>but that make me mad this strange clipboard
21:45<fmr>but that make me mad this strange clipboard
21:45<fmr>but that make me mad this strange clipboard
21:45<fmr>but that make me mad this strange clipboard
21:45<fmr>but that make me mad this strange clipboard
21:45<fmr>but that make me mad this strange clipboard
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21:46<fmr>here http://pastebin.com/d79823c5f
21:46<fmr>here http://pastebin.com/d79823c5f
21:46<fmr>here http://pastebin.com/d79823c5f
21:46<fmr>here http://pastebin.com/d79823c5f
21:46<fmr>here http://pastebin.com/d79823c5f
21:46<fmr>here http://pastebin.com/d79823c5f
21:46<abrotman>fmr: pastebin the command and the output you're using to search the rdepends
21:46<abrotman>fmr: pastebin the command and the output you're using to search the rdepends
21:46<abrotman>fmr: pastebin the command and the output you're using to search the rdepends
21:46<abrotman>fmr: pastebin the command and the output you're using to search the rdepends
21:46<abrotman>fmr: pastebin the command and the output you're using to search the rdepends
21:46<abrotman>fmr: pastebin the command and the output you're using to search the rdepends
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21:47<fmr>abrotman: its done 10 line aboves here
21:47<fmr>abrotman: its done 10 line aboves here
21:47<fmr>abrotman: its done 10 line aboves here
21:47<fmr>abrotman: its done 10 line aboves here
21:47<fmr>abrotman: its done 10 line aboves here
21:47<fmr>abrotman: its done 10 line aboves here
21:47<Meths>abrotman: he followed your first command and not your repeated command - he's pasted in channel. He needs to remove "search" from his command
21:47<Meths>abrotman: he followed your first command and not your repeated command - he's pasted in channel. He needs to remove "search" from his command
21:47<Meths>abrotman: he followed your first command and not your repeated command - he's pasted in channel. He needs to remove "search" from his command
21:47<Meths>abrotman: he followed your first command and not your repeated command - he's pasted in channel. He needs to remove "search" from his command
21:47<Meths>abrotman: he followed your first command and not your repeated command - he's pasted in channel. He needs to remove "search" from his command
21:47<Meths>abrotman: he followed your first command and not your repeated command - he's pasted in channel. He needs to remove "search" from his command
21:47<fmr>there is nothing in answers21:47 < fmr> there is nothing in answers
21:47<fmr>there is nothing in answers
21:47<fmr>there is nothing in answers
21:47<fmr>there is nothing in answers
21:47<fmr>there is nothing in answers
21:48<abrotman>fmr: i want it in the pastebin
21:48<abrotman>fmr: i want it in the pastebin
21:48<abrotman>fmr: i want it in the pastebin
21:48<abrotman>fmr: i want it in the pastebin
21:48<abrotman>fmr: i want it in the pastebin
21:48<abrotman>fmr: i want it in the pastebin
21:48<fmr>http://pastebin.com/d326ea9b9
21:48<fmr>http://pastebin.com/d326ea9b9
21:48<fmr>http://pastebin.com/d326ea9b9
21:48<fmr>http://pastebin.com/d326ea9b9
21:48<fmr>http://pastebin.com/d326ea9b9
21:48<fmr>http://pastebin.com/d326ea9b9
21:48<abrotman>apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 ..
21:48<abrotman>apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 ..
21:48<abrotman>apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 ..
21:48<abrotman>apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 ..
21:48<abrotman>apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 ..
21:48<abrotman>apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 ..
21:48<abrotman>apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 ..
21:48<abrotman>apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 ..
21:48<abrotman>apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 ..
21:48<abrotman>apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 ..
21:48<abrotman>apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 ..
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21:48<abrotman>apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 ..
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21:48<abrotman>apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 ..
21:48<abrotman>apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 ..
21:48<abrotman>apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 ..
21:48<abrotman>apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 ..
21:48<abrotman>apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 ..
21:48<abrotman>apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 ..
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21:48<abrotman>apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 ..
21:48<abrotman>apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 ..
21:48<abrotman>apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 ..
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21:48<fmr>?
21:48<fmr>?
21:48<fmr>?
21:48<fmr>?
21:48<fmr>?
21:48<fmr>?
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21:48<fmr>bad manip ? :)21:48 < fmr> bad manip ? :)
21:48<fmr>bad manip ? :)
21:48<fmr>bad manip ? :)
21:48<fmr>bad manip ? :)
21:48<fmr>bad manip ? :)
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21:49<tjfontaine>was the flood accurate or just too many people being helpful?
21:49<tjfontaine>was the flood accurate or just too many people being helpful?
21:49<tjfontaine>was the flood accurate or just too many people being helpful?
21:49<tjfontaine>was the flood accurate or just too many people being helpful?
21:49<tjfontaine>was the flood accurate or just too many people being helpful?
21:49<tjfontaine>was the flood accurate or just too many people being helpful?
21:49<abrotman>fmr: how many times did i give you the command?
21:49<abrotman>fmr: how many times did i give you the command?
21:49<abrotman>fmr: how many times did i give you the command?
21:49<abrotman>fmr: how many times did i give you the command?
21:49<abrotman>fmr: how many times did i give you the command?
21:49<abrotman>fmr: how many times did i give you the command?
21:49<abrotman>tjfontaine: no, i was at fault
21:49<abrotman>tjfontaine: no, i was at fault
21:49<abrotman>tjfontaine: no, i was at fault
21:49<abrotman>tjfontaine: no, i was at fault
21:49<abrotman>tjfontaine: no, i was at fault
21:49<abrotman>tjfontaine: no, i was at fault
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21:4921:49< fmr> abrotman: 5 < fmr> abrotman: 5
21:49<fmr>abrotman: 5
21:49<fmr>abrotman: 5
21:49<fmr>abrotman: 5
21:49<fmr>abrotman: 5
21:49<tjfontaine>ok
21:49<tjfontaine>ok21:49 < tjfontaine> ok
21:49<tjfontaine>ok
21:49<tjfontaine>ok
21:49<tjfontaine>ok
21:49<abrotman>fmr: and you still can't type it in correctly?
21:49<abrotman>fmr: and you still can't type it in correctly?
21:49<abrotman>fmr: and you still can't type it in correctly?
21:49<abrotman>fmr: and you still can't type it in correctly?
21:49<abrotman>fmr: and you still can't type it in correctly?
21:49<abrotman>fmr: and you still can't type it in correctly?
21:49<Hydroxide>I think more than 5
21:49<Hydroxide>I think more than 5
21:49<Hydroxide>I think more than 5
21:49<Hydroxide>I think more than 5
21:49<Hydroxide>I think more than 5
21:49<Hydroxide>I think more than 5
21:50<Hydroxide>nah, 5
21:50<Hydroxide>nah, 5
21:50<Hydroxide>nah, 5
21:50<Hydroxide>nah, 5
21:50<Hydroxide>nah, 5
21:50<Hydroxide>nah, 5
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21:50<abrotman>Hydroxide: five when i got kicked .. probably five before that too ...
21:50<abrotman>Hydroxide: five when i got kicked .. probably five before that too ...
21:50<abrotman>Hydroxide: five when i got kicked .. probably five before that too ...
21:50<abrotman>Hydroxide: five when i got kicked .. probably five before that too ...
21:50<abrotman>Hydroxide: five when i got kicked .. probably five before that too ...
21:50<abrotman>Hydroxide: five when i got kicked .. probably five before that too ...
21:50<Hydroxide>that's what I get for having a 3-line-tall #debian window :)
21:50<Hydroxide>that's what I get for having a 3-line-tall #debian window :)
21:50<Hydroxide>that's what I get for having a 3-line-tall #debian window :)
21:50<Hydroxide>that's what I get for having a 3-line-tall #debian window :)
21:50<Hydroxide>that's what I get for having a 3-line-tall #debian window :)
21:50<Hydroxide>that's what I get for having a 3-line-tall #debian window :)
21:50<fmr>this line works
21:50<fmr>this line works
21:50<fmr>this line works
21:50<fmr>this line works
21:50<fmr>this line works
21:50<fmr>this line works
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21:50<fmr>search was useless :)
21:50<fmr>search was useless :)
21:50<fmr>search was useless :)
21:50<fmr>search was useless :)
21:50<fmr>search was useless :)
21:50<fmr>search was useless :)
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21:50<abrotman>no kidding ...
21:50<abrotman>no kidding ...
21:50<abrotman>no kidding ...
21:50<abrotman>no kidding ...
21:50<abrotman>no kidding ...
21:50<abrotman>no kidding ...
21:50<fmr>but I've simply copied your first command
21:50<fmr>but I've simply copied your first command
21:50<fmr>but I've simply copied your first command
21:50<fmr>but I've simply copied your first command
21:50<fmr>but I've simply copied your first command
21:50<fmr>but I've simply copied your first command
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21:50<fmr>ok now i've many answers
21:50<fmr>ok now i've many answers
21:50<fmr>ok now i've many answers
21:50<fmr>ok now i've many answers
21:50<fmr>ok now i've many answers
21:50<fmr>ok now i've many answers
21:51<abrotman>fmr: install one of those .. try to duplicate your issue before filing a bug
21:51<abrotman>fmr: install one of those .. try to duplicate your issue before filing a bug
21:51<abrotman>fmr: install one of those .. try to duplicate your issue before filing a bug
21:51<abrotman>fmr: install one of those .. try to duplicate your issue before filing a bug
21:51<abrotman>fmr: install one of those .. try to duplicate your issue before filing a bug
21:51<abrotman>fmr: install one of those .. try to duplicate your issue before filing a bug
21:51<fmr>ok
21:51<fmr>ok
21:51<fmr>ok
21:51<fmr>ok
21:51<fmr>ok
21:51<fmr>ok
21:51<abrotman>fmr: i know you say your code isn't at fault .. but if it's not, then one of those other applications should exhibit the same issue (or alternately get the source code and scan them for the same function call)
21:51<abrotman>fmr: i know you say your code isn't at fault .. but if it's not, then one of those other applications should exhibit the same issue (or alternately get the source code and scan them for the same function call)
21:51<abrotman>fmr: i know you say your code isn't at fault .. but if it's not, then one of those other applications should exhibit the same issue (or alternately get the source code and scan them for the same function call)
21:51<abrotman>fmr: i know you say your code isn't at fault .. but if it's not, then one of those other applications should exhibit the same issue (or alternately get the source code and scan them for the same function call)
21:51<abrotman>fmr: i know you say your code isn't at fault .. but if it's not, then one of those other applications should exhibit the same issue (or alternately get the source code and scan them for the same function call)
21:51<abrotman>fmr: i know you say your code isn't at fault .. but if it's not, then one of those other applications should exhibit the same issue (or alternately get the source code and scan them for the same function call)
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21:51<fmr>yep
21:51<fmr>yep
21:51<fmr>yep
21:51<fmr>yep
21:51<fmr>yep
21:51<fmr>yep
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21:52<fmr>i've seen a guy saying to return to the previous openal
21:52<fmr>i've seen a guy saying to return to the previous openal
21:52<fmr>i've seen a guy saying to return to the previous openal
21:52<fmr>i've seen a guy saying to return to the previous openal
21:52<fmr>i've seen a guy saying to return to the previous openal
21:52<fmr>i've seen a guy saying to return to the previous openal
21:52<fmr>but i've not able to refind this now hum
21:52<fmr>but i've not able to refind this now hum
21:52<fmr>but i've not able to refind this now hum
21:52<fmr>but i've not able to refind this now hum
21:52<fmr>but i've not able to refind this now hum
21:52<fmr>but i've not able to refind this now hum
21:52<abrotman>fmr: if there is a regression in the library, it should be reported
21:52<abrotman>fmr: if there is a regression in the library, it should be reported
21:52<abrotman>fmr: if there is a regression in the library, it should be reported
21:52<abrotman>fmr: if there is a regression in the library, it should be reported
21:52<abrotman>fmr: if there is a regression in the library, it should be reported
21:52<abrotman>fmr: if there is a regression in the library, it should be reported
21:53<fmr>ok
21:53<fmr>ok
21:53<fmr>ok
21:53<fmr>ok
21:53<fmr>ok
21:53<fmr>ok
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22:08<Mish->Question: I want to cache packages for a large network. Should I use 'debcache' or 'apt-cacher'?
22:08<Mish->Question: I want to cache packages for a large network. Should I use 'debcache' or 'apt-cacher'?
22:08<Mish->Question: I want to cache packages for a large network. Should I use 'debcache' or 'apt-cacher'?
22:08<Mish->Question: I want to cache packages for a large network. Should I use 'debcache' or 'apt-cacher'?
22:08<Mish->Question: I want to cache packages for a large network. Should I use 'debcache' or 'apt-cacher'?
22:08<Mish->Question: I want to cache packages for a large network. Should I use 'debcache' or 'apt-cacher'?
22:09<abrotman>approx seems pretty nice
22:09<abrotman>approx seems pretty nice
22:09<abrotman>approx seems pretty nice
22:09<abrotman>approx seems pretty nice
22:09<abrotman>approx seems pretty nice
22:09<abrotman>approx seems pretty nice
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22:11<fmr>abrotman: ahhh i refind the bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=551018
22:11<fmr>abrotman: ahhh i refind the bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=551018
22:11<fmr>abrotman: ahhh i refind the bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=551018
22:11<fmr>abrotman: ahhh i refind the bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=551018
22:11<fmr>abrotman: ahhh i refind the bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=551018
22:11<fmr>abrotman: ahhh i refind the bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=551018
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22:13<abrotman>fmr: are you using pulse ?
22:13<abrotman>fmr: are you using pulse ?
22:13<abrotman>fmr: are you using pulse ?
22:13<abrotman>fmr: are you using pulse ?
22:13<abrotman>fmr: are you using pulse ?
22:13<abrotman>fmr: are you using pulse ?
22:13<fmr>abrotman: no
22:13<fmr>abrotman: no
22:13<fmr>abrotman: no
22:13<fmr>abrotman: no
22:13<fmr>abrotman: no
22:13<fmr>abrotman: no
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22:14<abrotman>fmr: i don't think reverting is really the answer, but not sure you really have a choice
22:14<abrotman>fmr: i don't think reverting is really the answer, but not sure you really have a choice
22:14<abrotman>fmr: i don't think reverting is really the answer, but not sure you really have a choice
22:14<abrotman>fmr: i don't think reverting is really the answer, but not sure you really have a choice
22:14<abrotman>fmr: i don't think reverting is really the answer, but not sure you really have a choice
22:14<abrotman>fmr: i don't think reverting is really the answer, but not sure you really have a choice
22:14<fmr>:/
22:14<fmr>:/
22:14<fmr>:/
22:14<fmr>:/
22:14<fmr>:/
22:14<fmr>:/
22:14<abrotman>maybe you could help the openal guys fix it ?
22:14<abrotman>maybe you could help the openal guys fix it ?
22:14<abrotman>maybe you could help the openal guys fix it ?
22:14<abrotman>maybe you could help the openal guys fix it ?
22:14<abrotman>maybe you could help the openal guys fix it ?
22:14<abrotman>maybe you could help the openal guys fix it ?
22:14<fmr>maybe
22:14<fmr>maybe
22:14<fmr>maybe
22:14<fmr>maybe
22:14<fmr>maybe
22:14<fmr>maybe
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22:22<Seneca>Hey... I'm trying to configure CGI:IRC on my Debian based web-host. I used apt-get to install it, and am running Apache as my web server. I cannot find the CGI files! Where are they?
22:22<Seneca>Hey... I'm trying to configure CGI:IRC on my Debian based web-host. I used apt-get to install it, and am running Apache as my web server. I cannot find the CGI files! Where are they?
22:22<Seneca>Hey... I'm trying to configure CGI:IRC on my Debian based web-host. I used apt-get to install it, and am running Apache as my web server. I cannot find the CGI files! Where are they?
22:22<Seneca>Hey... I'm trying to configure CGI:IRC on my Debian based web-host. I used apt-get to install it, and am running Apache as my web server. I cannot find the CGI files! Where are they?
22:22<Seneca>Hey... I'm trying to configure CGI:IRC on my Debian based web-host. I used apt-get to install it, and am running Apache as my web server. I cannot find the CGI files! Where are they?
22:22<Seneca>Hey... I'm trying to configure CGI:IRC on my Debian based web-host. I used apt-get to install it, and am running Apache as my web server. I cannot find the CGI files! Where are they?
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22:25<Mish->Seneca: I deleted them, sorry!
22:25<Mish->Seneca: I deleted them, sorry!
22:25<Mish->Seneca: I deleted them, sorry!
22:25<Mish->Seneca: I deleted them, sorry!
22:25<Mish->Seneca: I deleted them, sorry!
22:25<Mish->Seneca: I deleted them, sorry!
22:26<Seneca>._. Do you have any other advice as to how I can host a web-chat on this host? The site is for an IRC-based role play, and I'd love to be able to give my clients a chance to try the RP right there from the site.
22:26<Seneca>._. Do you have any other advice as to how I can host a web-chat on this host? The site is for an IRC-based role play, and I'd love to be able to give my clients a chance to try the RP right there from the site.
22:26<Seneca>._. Do you have any other advice as to how I can host a web-chat on this host? The site is for an IRC-based role play, and I'd love to be able to give my clients a chance to try the RP right there from the site.
22:26<Seneca>._. Do you have any other advice as to how I can host a web-chat on this host? The site is for an IRC-based role play, and I'd love to be able to give my clients a chance to try the RP right there from the site.
22:26<Seneca>._. Do you have any other advice as to how I can host a web-chat on this host? The site is for an IRC-based role play, and I'd love to be able to give my clients a chance to try the RP right there from the site.
22:26<Seneca>._. Do you have any other advice as to how I can host a web-chat on this host? The site is for an IRC-based role play, and I'd love to be able to give my clients a chance to try the RP right there from the site.
22:29<Hydroxide>Seneca: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ usually
22:29<Hydroxide>Seneca: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ usually
22:29<Hydroxide>Seneca: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ usually
22:29<Hydroxide>Seneca: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ usually
22:29<Hydroxide>Seneca: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ usually
22:29<Hydroxide>Seneca: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ usually
22:29<Seneca>cgiirc directory. ^.^
22:29<Seneca>cgiirc directory. ^.^
22:29<Seneca>cgiirc directory. ^.^
22:29<Seneca>cgiirc directory. ^.^
22:29<Seneca>cgiirc directory. ^.^
22:29<Seneca>cgiirc directory. ^.^
22:29<Hydroxide>Seneca: and with a typical Debian default config, /cgi-bin will point there
22:29<Hydroxide>Seneca: and with a typical Debian default config, /cgi-bin will point there
22:29<Hydroxide>Seneca: and with a typical Debian default config, /cgi-bin will point there
22:29<Hydroxide>Seneca: and with a typical Debian default config, /cgi-bin will point there
22:29<Hydroxide>Seneca: and with a typical Debian default config, /cgi-bin will point there
22:29<Hydroxide>Seneca: and with a typical Debian default config, /cgi-bin will point there
22:29<Seneca>SCORE! \o/
22:29<Seneca>SCORE! \o/
22:29<Seneca>SCORE! \o/
22:29<Seneca>SCORE! \o/
22:29<Seneca>SCORE! \o/
22:29<Seneca>SCORE! \o/
22:29<Hydroxide>so maybe /cgi-bin/cgiirc/
22:29<Hydroxide>so maybe /cgi-bin/cgiirc/
22:29<Hydroxide>so maybe /cgi-bin/cgiirc/
22:29<Hydroxide>so maybe /cgi-bin/cgiirc/
22:29<Hydroxide>so maybe /cgi-bin/cgiirc/
22:29<Hydroxide>so maybe /cgi-bin/cgiirc/
22:29<Hydroxide>or something
22:29<Hydroxide>or something
22:29<Hydroxide>or something
22:29<Hydroxide>or something
22:29<Hydroxide>or something
22:30<Hydroxide>or something
22:30<Hydroxide>and config is probably in /etc/cgiirc or similar
22:30<Hydroxide>and config is probably in /etc/cgiirc or similar
22:30<Hydroxide>and config is probably in /etc/cgiirc or similar
22:30<Hydroxide>and config is probably in /etc/cgiirc or similar
22:30<Hydroxide>and config is probably in /etc/cgiirc or similar
22:30<Hydroxide>and config is probably in /etc/cgiirc or similar
22:30<Seneca>Yeah, I've been there.
22:30<Seneca>Yeah, I've been there.
22:30<Seneca>Yeah, I've been there.
22:30<Seneca>Yeah, I've been there.
22:30<Seneca>Yeah, I've been there.
22:30<Seneca>Yeah, I've been there.
22:30<Hydroxide>good good
22:30<Hydroxide>good good
22:30<Hydroxide>good good
22:30<Hydroxide>good good
22:30<Hydroxide>good good
22:30<Hydroxide>good good
22:30<Seneca>Thanks.
22:30<Seneca>Thanks.
22:30<Seneca>Thanks.
22:30<Seneca>Thanks.
22:30<Seneca>Thanks.
22:30<Seneca>Thanks.
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22:34<fmr>abrotman: but how can I reinstall a previous version of openal ?
22:34<fmr>abrotman: but how can I reinstall a previous version of openal ?
22:34<fmr>abrotman: but how can I reinstall a previous version of openal ?
22:34<fmr>abrotman: but how can I reinstall a previous version of openal ?
22:34<fmr>abrotman: but how can I reinstall a previous version of openal ?
22:34<fmr>abrotman: but how can I reinstall a previous version of openal ?
22:35<abrotman>fmr: the only one you can probably get is the one from squeeze
22:35<abrotman>fmr: the only one you can probably get is the one from squeeze
22:35<abrotman>fmr: the only one you can probably get is the one from squeeze
22:35<abrotman>fmr: the only one you can probably get is the one from squeeze
22:35<abrotman>fmr: the only one you can probably get is the one from squeeze
22:35<abrotman>fmr: the only one you can probably get is the one from squeeze
22:35<fmr>hum i see
22:35<fmr>hum i see
22:35<fmr>hum i see
22:35<fmr>hum i see
22:35<fmr>hum i see
22:35<fmr>hum i see
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22:39<sladi>fmr: I just downloaded the Lenny version since the newer one gives errors.
22:39<sladi>fmr: I just downloaded the Lenny version since the newer one gives errors.
22:39<sladi>fmr: I just downloaded the Lenny version since the newer one gives errors.
22:39<sladi>fmr: I just downloaded the Lenny version since the newer one gives errors.
22:39<sladi>fmr: I just downloaded the Lenny version since the newer one gives errors.
22:39<sladi>fmr: I just downloaded the Lenny version since the newer one gives errors.
22:40<fmr>sladi: yes, hum how can I replace it ?
22:40<fmr>sladi: yes, hum how can I replace it ?
22:40<fmr>sladi: yes, hum how can I replace it ?
22:40<fmr>sladi: yes, hum how can I replace it ?
22:40<fmr>sladi: yes, hum how can I replace it ?
22:40<fmr>sladi: yes, hum how can I replace it ?
22:40<Seneca>New question. Getting CGI files to run, instead of just displaying in the web browser....
22:40<Seneca>New question. Getting CGI files to run, instead of just displaying in the web browser....
22:40<Seneca>New question. Getting CGI files to run, instead of just displaying in the web browser....
22:40<Seneca>New question. Getting CGI files to run, instead of just displaying in the web browser....
22:40<Seneca>New question. Getting CGI files to run, instead of just displaying in the web browser....
22:40<Seneca>New question. Getting CGI files to run, instead of just displaying in the web browser....
22:40<sladi>dwnload it from the package site and do 'dpkg -i hgf.deb
22:40<sladi>dwnload it from the package site and do 'dpkg -i hgf.deb
22:40<sladi>dwnload it from the package site and do 'dpkg -i hgf.deb
22:40<sladi>dwnload it from the package site and do 'dpkg -i hgf.deb
22:40<sladi>dwnload it from the package site and do 'dpkg -i hgf.deb
22:40<sladi>dwnload it from the package site and do 'dpkg -i hgf.deb
22:40<fmr>ive tryed aptitude reinstall -t squeeze libopenal1 but nothing
22:40<fmr>ive tryed aptitude reinstall -t squeeze libopenal1 but nothing
22:40<fmr>ive tryed aptitude reinstall -t squeeze libopenal1 but nothing
22:40<fmr>ive tryed aptitude reinstall -t squeeze libopenal1 but nothing
22:40<fmr>ive tryed aptitude reinstall -t squeeze libopenal1 but nothing
22:40<fmr>ive tryed aptitude reinstall -t squeeze libopenal1 but nothing
22:41<sladi>fmr: It just warned me about the downgrade.
22:41<sladi>fmr: It just warned me about the downgrade.
22:41<sladi>fmr: It just warned me about the downgrade.
22:41<sladi>fmr: It just warned me about the downgrade.
22:41<sladi>fmr: It just warned me about the downgrade.
22:41<sladi>fmr: It just warned me about the downgrade.
22:41<fmr>sladi: you're on sid ?
22:41<fmr>sladi: you're on sid ?
22:41<fmr>sladi: you're on sid ?
22:41<fmr>sladi: you're on sid ?
22:41<fmr>sladi: you're on sid ?
22:41<fmr>sladi: you're on sid ?
22:42<sladi>yes mixed with experimental and testing
22:42<sladi>yes mixed with experimental and testing
22:42<sladi>yes mixed with experimental and testing
22:42<sladi>yes mixed with experimental and testing
22:42<sladi>yes mixed with experimental and testing
22:42<sladi>yes mixed with experimental and testing
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22:42<Seneca>Hydroxide: Do I need to put the CGI scripts somewhere special to get them to work? Default Apache install. /var/www/cgi-bin?
22:42<Seneca>Hydroxide: Do I need to put the CGI scripts somewhere special to get them to work? Default Apache install. /var/www/cgi-bin?
22:42<Seneca>Hydroxide: Do I need to put the CGI scripts somewhere special to get them to work? Default Apache install. /var/www/cgi-bin?
22:42<Seneca>Hydroxide: Do I need to put the CGI scripts somewhere special to get them to work? Default Apache install. /var/www/cgi-bin?
22:42<Seneca>Hydroxide: Do I need to put the CGI scripts somewhere special to get them to work? Default Apache install. /var/www/cgi-bin?
22:42<Seneca>Hydroxide: Do I need to put the CGI scripts somewhere special to get them to work? Default Apache install. /var/www/cgi-bin?
22:42<Hydroxide>Seneca: I thought you did apt-get for cgiirc... it probably put the stuff in /usr/lib/cgi-bin and apache was probably set to point /cgi-bin there
22:42<Hydroxide>Seneca: I thought you did apt-get for cgiirc... it probably put the stuff in /usr/lib/cgi-bin and apache was probably set to point /cgi-bin there
22:42<Hydroxide>Seneca: I thought you did apt-get for cgiirc... it probably put the stuff in /usr/lib/cgi-bin and apache was probably set to point /cgi-bin there
22:42<Hydroxide>Seneca: I thought you did apt-get for cgiirc... it probably put the stuff in /usr/lib/cgi-bin and apache was probably set to point /cgi-bin there
22:42<Hydroxide>Seneca: I thought you did apt-get for cgiirc... it probably put the stuff in /usr/lib/cgi-bin and apache was probably set to point /cgi-bin there
22:42<Hydroxide>Seneca: I thought you did apt-get for cgiirc... it probably put the stuff in /usr/lib/cgi-bin and apache was probably set to point /cgi-bin there
22:43<fmr>sladi: what command should I type ?
22:43<fmr>sladi: what command should I type ?
22:43<fmr>sladi: what command should I type ?
22:43<fmr>sladi: what command should I type ?
22:43<fmr>sladi: what command should I type ?
22:43<fmr>sladi: what command should I type ?
22:43*Seneca nods. "I did. So where do I point my clients to load a CGI-IRC session?"
22:43*Seneca nods. "I did. So where do I point my clients to load a CGI-IRC session?"
22:43*Seneca nods. "I did. So where do I point my clients to load a CGI-IRC session?"
22:43*Seneca nods. "I did. So where do I point my clients to load a CGI-IRC session?"
22:43*Seneca nods. "I did. So where do I point my clients to load a CGI-IRC session?"
22:43*Seneca nods. "I did. So where do I point my clients to load a CGI-IRC session?"
22:43<Hydroxide>Seneca: by default, anyway. it's the ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ line
22:43<Hydroxide>Seneca: by default, anyway. it's the ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ line
22:43<Hydroxide>Seneca: by default, anyway. it's the ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ line
22:43<Hydroxide>Seneca: by default, anyway. it's the ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ line
22:43<Hydroxide>Seneca: by default, anyway. it's the ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ line
22:43<Hydroxide>Seneca: by default, anyway. it's the ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ line
22:43<sladi>fmr: download it from the package site and do 'dpkg -i NAME.deb'
22:43<sladi>fmr: download it from the package site and do 'dpkg -i NAME.deb'
22:43<sladi>fmr: download it from the package site and do 'dpkg -i NAME.deb'
22:43<sladi>fmr: download it from the package site and do 'dpkg -i NAME.deb'
22:43<sladi>fmr: download it from the package site and do 'dpkg -i NAME.deb'
22:43<sladi>fmr: download it from the package site and do 'dpkg -i NAME.deb'
22:43<fmr>aah ok
22:43<fmr>aah ok
22:43<fmr>aah ok
22:43<fmr>aah ok
22:43<fmr>aah ok
22:43<fmr>aah ok
22:43<Seneca>I'm running quite the default session here.
22:43<Seneca>I'm running quite the default session here.
22:43<Seneca>I'm running quite the default session here.
22:43<Seneca>I'm running quite the default session here.
22:43<Seneca>I'm running quite the default session here.
22:43<Seneca>I'm running quite the default session here.
22:43<fmr>thx you
22:43<fmr>thx you
22:43<fmr>thx you
22:43<fmr>thx you
22:43<fmr>thx you
22:43<fmr>thx you
22:43<sladi>NP :)
22:43<sladi>NP :)
22:43<sladi>NP :)
22:43<sladi>NP :)
22:43<sladi>NP :)
22:43<sladi>NP :)
22:44<Hydroxide>Seneca: so if you want to point them to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/blah/foo.cgi then you would have them go to http://your.host/cgi-bin/blah/foo.cgi
22:44<Hydroxide>Seneca: so if you want to point them to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/blah/foo.cgi then you would have them go to http://your.host/cgi-bin/blah/foo.cgi
22:44<Hydroxide>Seneca: so if you want to point them to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/blah/foo.cgi then you would have them go to http://your.host/cgi-bin/blah/foo.cgi
22:44<Hydroxide>Seneca: so if you want to point them to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/blah/foo.cgi then you would have them go to http://your.host/cgi-bin/blah/foo.cgi
22:44<Hydroxide>Seneca: so if you want to point them to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/blah/foo.cgi then you would have them go to http://your.host/cgi-bin/blah/foo.cgi
22:44<Hydroxide>Seneca: so if you want to point them to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/blah/foo.cgi then you would have them go to http://your.host/cgi-bin/blah/foo.cgi
22:44<Seneca>Alright!
22:44<Seneca>Alright!
22:44<Seneca>Alright!
22:44<Seneca>Alright!
22:44<Seneca>Alright!
22:44<Seneca>Alright!
22:44<Seneca>Thanks a ton.
22:44<Seneca>Thanks a ton.
22:44<Seneca>Thanks a ton.
22:44<Seneca>Thanks a ton.
22:44<Seneca>Thanks a ton.
22:44<Seneca>Thanks a ton.
22:44<Hydroxide>np
22:44<Hydroxide>np
22:44<Hydroxide>np
22:44<Hydroxide>np
22:44<Hydroxide>np
22:44<Hydroxide>np
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22:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 388] by debhelper
22:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 388] by debhelper
22:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 388] by debhelper
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22:47<Seneca>Ok, I have a new problem.
22:47<Seneca>Ok, I have a new problem.
22:47<Seneca>Ok, I have a new problem.
22:47<Seneca>Ok, I have a new problem.
22:47<Seneca>Ok, I have a new problem.
22:47<Seneca>Ok, I have a new problem.
22:47<Hydroxide>Seneca: common when learning things :)
22:47<Hydroxide>Seneca: common when learning things :)
22:47<Hydroxide>Seneca: common when learning things :)
22:47<Hydroxide>Seneca: common when learning things :)
22:47<Hydroxide>Seneca: common when learning things :)
22:47<Hydroxide>Seneca: common when learning things :)
22:47<Seneca>In the IRC window, I get "Access denied; No connections allowed".
22:47<Seneca>In the IRC window, I get "Access denied; No connections allowed".
22:47<Seneca>In the IRC window, I get "Access denied; No connections allowed".
22:47<Seneca>In the IRC window, I get "Access denied; No connections allowed".
22:47<Seneca>In the IRC window, I get "Access denied; No connections allowed".
22:47<Seneca>In the IRC window, I get "Access denied; No connections allowed".
22:48<Hydroxide>ah. this is probably a configuration issue, not an apache cgi issue
22:48<Hydroxide>ah. this is probably a configuration issue, not an apache cgi issue
22:48<Hydroxide>ah. this is probably a configuration issue, not an apache cgi issue
22:48<Hydroxide>ah. this is probably a configuration issue, not an apache cgi issue
22:48<Hydroxide>ah. this is probably a configuration issue, not an apache cgi issue
22:48<Hydroxide>ah. this is probably a configuration issue, not an apache cgi issue
22:48<Hydroxide>and I don't know the module well enough to help further. sorry.
22:48<Hydroxide>and I don't know the module well enough to help further. sorry.
22:48<Hydroxide>and I don't know the module well enough to help further. sorry.
22:48<Hydroxide>and I don't know the module well enough to help further. sorry.
22:48<Hydroxide>and I don't know the module well enough to help further. sorry.
22:48<Hydroxide>and I don't know the module well enough to help further. sorry.
22:48<Seneca>Ah. Thanks for your aid so far, Hydroxide.
22:48<Seneca>Ah. Thanks for your aid so far, Hydroxide.
22:48<Seneca>Ah. Thanks for your aid so far, Hydroxide.
22:48<Seneca>Ah. Thanks for your aid so far, Hydroxide.
22:48<Seneca>Ah. Thanks for your aid so far, Hydroxide.
22:48<Seneca>Ah. Thanks for your aid so far, Hydroxide.
22:48<Hydroxide>good luck.
22:48<Hydroxide>good luck.
22:48<Hydroxide>good luck.
22:48<Hydroxide>good luck.
22:48<Hydroxide>good luck.
22:48<Hydroxide>good luck.
22:48<raylu>heh... restarting fixed it.
22:48<raylu>heh... restarting fixed it.
22:48<raylu>heh... restarting fixed it.
22:48<raylu>heh... restarting fixed it.
22:48<raylu>heh... restarting fixed it.
22:48<raylu>heh... restarting fixed it.
22:49*abrotman wonders how Hydroxide can chat with only three lines of scroll back
22:49*abrotman wonders how Hydroxide can chat with only three lines of scroll back
22:49*abrotman wonders how Hydroxide can chat with only three lines of scroll back
22:49*abrotman wonders how Hydroxide can chat with only three lines of scroll back
22:49*abrotman wonders how Hydroxide can chat with only three lines of scroll back
22:49*abrotman wonders how Hydroxide can chat with only three lines of scroll back
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22:49<raylu>i had been suspending from back when i was screwing with qingy
22:49<raylu>i had been suspending from back when i was screwing with qingy
22:49<raylu>i had been suspending from back when i was screwing with qingy
22:49<raylu>i had been suspending from back when i was screwing with qingy
22:49<raylu>i had been suspending from back when i was screwing with qingy
22:49<raylu>i had been suspending from back when i was screwing with qingy
22:49<raylu>anyway, locale is now set properly without an ugly hack in my bashrc.
22:49<raylu>anyway, locale is now set properly without an ugly hack in my bashrc.
22:49<raylu>anyway, locale is now set properly without an ugly hack in my bashrc.
22:49<raylu>anyway, locale is now set properly without an ugly hack in my bashrc.
22:49<raylu>anyway, locale is now set properly without an ugly hack in my bashrc.
22:49<raylu>anyway, locale is now set properly without an ugly hack in my bashrc.
22:49<raylu>thanks anyway, abrotman
22:49<raylu>thanks anyway, abrotman
22:49<raylu>thanks anyway, abrotman
22:49<raylu>thanks anyway, abrotman
22:49<raylu>thanks anyway, abrotman
22:49<raylu>thanks anyway, abrotman
22:49<abrotman>?
22:49<abrotman>?
22:49<abrotman>?
22:49<abrotman>?
22:49<abrotman>?
22:49<abrotman>?
22:49<abrotman>oh
22:49<abrotman>oh
22:49<abrotman>oh
22:49<abrotman>oh
22:49<abrotman>oh
22:49<abrotman>oh
22:49<abrotman>raylu: wait .. restarting fixed mutt ?
22:49<abrotman>raylu: wait .. restarting fixed mutt ?
22:49<abrotman>raylu: wait .. restarting fixed mutt ?
22:49<abrotman>raylu: wait .. restarting fixed mutt ?
22:49<abrotman>raylu: wait .. restarting fixed mutt ?
22:49<abrotman>raylu: wait .. restarting fixed mutt ?
22:50<raylu>restarting fixed my font issue
22:50<raylu>restarting fixed my font issue
22:50<raylu>restarting fixed my font issue
22:50<raylu>restarting fixed my font issue
22:50<raylu>restarting fixed my font issue
22:50<raylu>restarting fixed my font issue
22:50<Hydroxide>abrotman: three-line window, not three-line scrollback buffer
22:50<Hydroxide>abrotman: three-line window, not three-line scrollback buffer
22:50<Hydroxide>abrotman: three-line window, not three-line scrollback buffer
22:50<Hydroxide>abrotman: three-line window, not three-line scrollback buffer
22:50<Hydroxide>abrotman: three-line window, not three-line scrollback buffer
22:50<Hydroxide>abrotman: three-line window, not three-line scrollback buffer
22:50<raylu>mutt is running on another machine.
22:50<raylu>mutt is running on another machine.
22:50<raylu>mutt is running on another machine.
22:50<raylu>mutt is running on another machine.
22:50<raylu>mutt is running on another machine.
22:50<raylu>mutt is running on another machine.
22:50<abrotman>Hydroxide: ah ok
22:50<abrotman>Hydroxide: ah ok
22:50<abrotman>Hydroxide: ah ok
22:50<abrotman>Hydroxide: ah ok
22:50<abrotman>Hydroxide: ah ok
22:50<abrotman>Hydroxide: ah ok
22:50<abrotman>raylu: so it was something with your terminal?
22:50<abrotman>raylu: so it was something with your terminal?
22:50<abrotman>raylu: so it was something with your terminal?
22:50<abrotman>raylu: so it was something with your terminal?
22:50<abrotman>raylu: so it was something with your terminal?
22:50<abrotman>raylu: so it was something with your terminal?
22:50<raylu>it was something with my locale settings
22:50<raylu>it was something with my locale settings
22:50<raylu>it was something with my locale settings
22:50<raylu>it was something with my locale settings
22:50<raylu>it was something with my locale settings
22:50<raylu>it was something with my locale settings
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22:51<fmr>sladi: there is no way to get the 1.8 ?
22:51<fmr>sladi: there is no way to get the 1.8 ?
22:51<fmr>sladi: there is no way to get the 1.8 ?
22:51<fmr>sladi: there is no way to get the 1.8 ?
22:51<fmr>sladi: there is no way to get the 1.8 ?
22:51<fmr>sladi: there is no way to get the 1.8 ?
22:51<sladi>fmr: sorry, I don't know how to get that one.
22:51<sladi>fmr: sorry, I don't know how to get that one.
22:51<sladi>fmr: sorry, I don't know how to get that one.
22:51<sladi>fmr: sorry, I don't know how to get that one.
22:51<sladi>fmr: sorry, I don't know how to get that one.
22:51<sladi>fmr: sorry, I don't know how to get that one.
22:51<abrotman>fmr: didn't you just decide that version was broken ?
22:51<abrotman>fmr: didn't you just decide that version was broken ?
22:51<abrotman>fmr: didn't you just decide that version was broken ?
22:51<abrotman>fmr: didn't you just decide that version was broken ?
22:51<abrotman>fmr: didn't you just decide that version was broken ?
22:51<abrotman>fmr: didn't you just decide that version was broken ?
22:52<fmr>abrotman: 1.9 but 1.8 no
22:52<fmr>abrotman: 1.9 but 1.8 no
22:52<fmr>abrotman: 1.9 but 1.8 no
22:52<fmr>abrotman: 1.9 but 1.8 no
22:52<fmr>abrotman: 1.9 but 1.8 no
22:52<fmr>abrotman: 1.9 but 1.8 no
22:52<abrotman>oh
22:52<abrotman>oh
22:52<abrotman>oh
22:52<abrotman>oh
22:52<abrotman>oh
22:52<abrotman>oh
22:52<fmr>abrotman: 1.8 it was correct sound
22:52<fmr>abrotman: 1.8 it was correct sound
22:52<fmr>abrotman: 1.8 it was correct sound
22:52<fmr>abrotman: 1.8 it was correct sound
22:52<fmr>abrotman: 1.8 it was correct sound
22:52<fmr>abrotman: 1.8 it was correct sound
22:52<abrotman>judd: versions libopenal1
22:52<abrotman>judd: versions libopenal1
22:52<abrotman>judd: versions libopenal1
22:52<abrotman>judd: versions libopenal1
22:52<abrotman>judd: versions libopenal1
22:52<abrotman>judd: versions libopenal1
22:52<judd>abrotman: libopenal1 -- lenny: 1:1.4.272-2 sid: 1:1.9.563-1 squeeze: 1:1.9.563-1
22:52<judd>abrotman: libopenal1 -- lenny: 1:1.4.272-2 sid: 1:1.9.563-1 squeeze: 1:1.9.563-1
22:52<judd>abrotman: libopenal1 -- lenny: 1:1.4.272-2 sid: 1:1.9.563-1 squeeze: 1:1.9.563-1
22:52<judd>abrotman: libopenal1 -- lenny: 1:1.4.272-2 sid: 1:1.9.563-1 squeeze: 1:1.9.563-1
22:52<judd>abrotman: libopenal1 -- lenny: 1:1.4.272-2 sid: 1:1.9.563-1 squeeze: 1:1.9.563-1
22:52<judd>abrotman: libopenal1 -- lenny: 1:1.4.272-2 sid: 1:1.9.563-1 squeeze: 1:1.9.563-1
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23:01<fmr>sladi: i cannot works with the 1.4. it crash, maybee incompatibily of binaries
23:01<fmr>sladi: i cannot works with the 1.4. it crash, maybee incompatibily of binaries
23:01<fmr>sladi: i cannot works with the 1.4. it crash, maybee incompatibily of binaries
23:01<fmr>sladi: i cannot works with the 1.4. it crash, maybee incompatibily of binaries
23:01<fmr>sladi: i cannot works with the 1.4. it crash, maybee incompatibily of binaries
23:01<fmr>sladi: i cannot works with the 1.4. it crash, maybee incompatibily of binaries
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23:06<Nogueira>BOA NOITE
23:06<Nogueira>BOA NOITE
23:06<Nogueira>BOA NOITE
23:06<Nogueira>BOA NOITE
23:06<Nogueira>BOA NOITE
23:06<Nogueira>BOA NOITE
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23:07<Nogueira>TEM ALGUEM AI
23:07<Nogueira>TEM ALGUEM AI
23:07<Nogueira>TEM ALGUEM AI
23:07<Nogueira>TEM ALGUEM AI
23:07<Nogueira>TEM ALGUEM AI
23:07<Nogueira>TEM ALGUEM AI
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23:08<Nogueira>CARA CONSEGUI
23:08<Nogueira>CARA CONSEGUI
23:08<Nogueira>CARA CONSEGUI
23:08<Nogueira>CARA CONSEGUI
23:08<Nogueira>CARA CONSEGUI
23:08<Nogueira>CARA CONSEGUI
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23:09<sney>!tell Nogueira about br
23:09<sney>!tell Nogueira about br
23:09<sney>!tell Nogueira about br
23:09<sney>!tell Nogueira about br
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23:10<abrotman>what .. no capslock ?
23:10<abrotman>what .. no capslock ?
23:10<abrotman>what .. no capslock ?
23:10<abrotman>what .. no capslock ?
23:10<abrotman>what .. no capslock ?
23:10<abrotman>what .. no capslock ?
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23:11<remu>Hey folks, I just installed KDE on a clean install of Sid. kdebluetooth doesn't seem to recognize my bluetooth adapter, while gnome-bluetooth used to just fine. I'd rather not install blueman or gnome-bluetooth, as I'm trying to keep my system as pure KDE as possible. Any suggestions or tips?
23:11<remu>Hey folks, I just installed KDE on a clean install of Sid. kdebluetooth doesn't seem to recognize my bluetooth adapter, while gnome-bluetooth used to just fine. I'd rather not install blueman or gnome-bluetooth, as I'm trying to keep my system as pure KDE as possible. Any suggestions or tips?
23:11<remu>Hey folks, I just installed KDE on a clean install of Sid. kdebluetooth doesn't seem to recognize my bluetooth adapter, while gnome-bluetooth used to just fine. I'd rather not install blueman or gnome-bluetooth, as I'm trying to keep my system as pure KDE as possible. Any suggestions or tips?
23:11<remu>Hey folks, I just installed KDE on a clean install of Sid. kdebluetooth doesn't seem to recognize my bluetooth adapter, while gnome-bluetooth used to just fine. I'd rather not install blueman or gnome-bluetooth, as I'm trying to keep my system as pure KDE as possible. Any suggestions or tips?
23:11<remu>Hey folks, I just installed KDE on a clean install of Sid. kdebluetooth doesn't seem to recognize my bluetooth adapter, while gnome-bluetooth used to just fine. I'd rather not install blueman or gnome-bluetooth, as I'm trying to keep my system as pure KDE as possible. Any suggestions or tips?
23:11<remu>Hey folks, I just installed KDE on a clean install of Sid. kdebluetooth doesn't seem to recognize my bluetooth adapter, while gnome-bluetooth used to just fine. I'd rather not install blueman or gnome-bluetooth, as I'm trying to keep my system as pure KDE as possible. Any suggestions or tips?
23:11<abrotman>remu: not sure if you'll get more help, but there is also a #debian-kde
23:11<abrotman>remu: not sure if you'll get more help, but there is also a #debian-kde
23:11<abrotman>remu: not sure if you'll get more help, but there is also a #debian-kde
23:11<abrotman>remu: not sure if you'll get more help, but there is also a #debian-kde
23:11<abrotman>remu: not sure if you'll get more help, but there is also a #debian-kde
23:11<abrotman>remu: not sure if you'll get more help, but there is also a #debian-kde
23:13<remu>abrotman: thanks, I had asked in there in first, no one responded, so I figured I'd check in here.
23:13<remu>abrotman: thanks, I had asked in there in first, no one responded, so I figured I'd check in here.
23:13<remu>abrotman: thanks, I had asked in there in first, no one responded, so I figured I'd check in here.
23:13<remu>abrotman: thanks, I had asked in there in first, no one responded, so I figured I'd check in here.
23:13<remu>abrotman: thanks, I had asked in there in first, no one responded, so I figured I'd check in here.
23:13<remu>abrotman: thanks, I had asked in there in first, no one responded, so I figured I'd check in here.
23:13<abrotman>oh ok
23:13<abrotman>oh ok
23:13<abrotman>oh ok
23:13<abrotman>oh ok
23:13<abrotman>oh ok
23:13<abrotman>oh ok
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23:27<steve_>hi, this is not a debian related question, but it is so easy that it isn't on google: how to i format addition vertically in LaTeX? like when we were in 2nd grade...
23:27<steve_>hi, this is not a debian related question, but it is so easy that it isn't on google: how to i format addition vertically in LaTeX? like when we were in 2nd grade...
23:27<steve_>hi, this is not a debian related question, but it is so easy that it isn't on google: how to i format addition vertically in LaTeX? like when we were in 2nd grade...
23:27<steve_>hi, this is not a debian related question, but it is so easy that it isn't on google: how to i format addition vertically in LaTeX? like when we were in 2nd grade...
23:27<steve_>hi, this is not a debian related question, but it is so easy that it isn't on google: how to i format addition vertically in LaTeX? like when we were in 2nd grade...
23:27<steve_>hi, this is not a debian related question, but it is so easy that it isn't on google: how to i format addition vertically in LaTeX? like when we were in 2nd grade...
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23:27<faheem>steve_: not sure i understand the question. you mean
23:27<faheem>steve_: not sure i understand the question. you mean
23:27<faheem>steve_: not sure i understand the question. you mean
23:27<faheem>steve_: not sure i understand the question. you mean
23:27<faheem>steve_: not sure i understand the question. you mean
23:27<faheem>steve_: not sure i understand the question. you mean
23:27<faheem> 2
23:27<faheem> 2
23:27<faheem> 2
23:27<faheem> 2
23:27<faheem> 2
23:27<faheem> 2
23:27<faheem>+2
23:27<faheem>+2
23:27<faheem>+2
23:27<faheem>+2
23:27<faheem>+2
23:27<faheem>+2
23:27<steve_>yah, like that
23:27<steve_>yah, like that
23:27<steve_>yah, like that
23:27<steve_>yah, like that
23:27<steve_>yah, like that
23:27<steve_>yah, like that
23:28<Ikarus>steve_: there are multiple ways to do it "2nd grade" style
23:28<Ikarus>steve_: there are multiple ways to do it "2nd grade" style
23:28<Ikarus>steve_: there are multiple ways to do it "2nd grade" style
23:28<Ikarus>steve_: there are multiple ways to do it "2nd grade" style
23:28<Ikarus>steve_: there are multiple ways to do it "2nd grade" style
23:28<Ikarus>steve_: there are multiple ways to do it "2nd grade" style
23:28<steve_>what is the best way?
23:28<steve_>what is the best way?
23:28<steve_>what is the best way?
23:28<steve_>what is the best way?
23:28<steve_>what is the best way?
23:28<steve_>what is the best way?
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23:28<faheem>steve_: you could use align or one of those ams math eqn environments
23:28<faheem>steve_: you could use align or one of those ams math eqn environments
23:28<faheem>steve_: you could use align or one of those ams math eqn environments
23:28<faheem>steve_: you could use align or one of those ams math eqn environments
23:28<faheem>steve_: you could use align or one of those ams math eqn environments
23:28<faheem>steve_: you could use align or one of those ams math eqn environments
23:28<Ikarus>steve_: no, I meant there are multiple 2nd grade styles
23:28<Ikarus>steve_: no, I meant there are multiple 2nd grade styles
23:28<Ikarus>steve_: no, I meant there are multiple 2nd grade styles
23:28<Ikarus>steve_: no, I meant there are multiple 2nd grade styles
23:28<Ikarus>steve_: no, I meant there are multiple 2nd grade styles
23:28<Ikarus>steve_: no, I meant there are multiple 2nd grade styles
23:28<Ikarus>but I'd suggest posting to the LaTeX newsgroup/mailinglist
23:28<Ikarus>but I'd suggest posting to the LaTeX newsgroup/mailinglist
23:28<Ikarus>but I'd suggest posting to the LaTeX newsgroup/mailinglist
23:28<Ikarus>but I'd suggest posting to the LaTeX newsgroup/mailinglist
23:28<Ikarus>but I'd suggest posting to the LaTeX newsgroup/mailinglist
23:28<Ikarus>but I'd suggest posting to the LaTeX newsgroup/mailinglist
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23:28<faheem>probably better to ask in a tex forum though
23:28<faheem>probably better to ask in a tex forum though
23:28<faheem>probably better to ask in a tex forum though
23:28<faheem>probably better to ask in a tex forum though
23:28<faheem>probably better to ask in a tex forum though
23:28<faheem>probably better to ask in a tex forum though
23:29<faheem>but phrase your question more precisely. there are a lot of different 2nd grades.
23:29<faheem>but phrase your question more precisely. there are a lot of different 2nd grades.
23:29<faheem>but phrase your question more precisely. there are a lot of different 2nd grades.
23:29<faheem>but phrase your question more precisely. there are a lot of different 2nd grades.
23:29<faheem>but phrase your question more precisely. there are a lot of different 2nd grades.
23:29<faheem>but phrase your question more precisely. there are a lot of different 2nd grades.
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23:29<faheem>comp.text.tex is a standard place
23:29<faheem>comp.text.tex is a standard place
23:29<faheem>comp.text.tex is a standard place
23:29<faheem>comp.text.tex is a standard place
23:29<faheem>comp.text.tex is a standard place
23:29<faheem>comp.text.tex is a standard place
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23:30<Ikarus>steve_: you'll have to provide them a sample of what you want though, my 2nd grade formatting was quite different :)
23:30<Ikarus>steve_: you'll have to provide them a sample of what you want though, my 2nd grade formatting was quite different :)
23:30<Ikarus>steve_: you'll have to provide them a sample of what you want though, my 2nd grade formatting was quite different :)
23:30<Ikarus>steve_: you'll have to provide them a sample of what you want though, my 2nd grade formatting was quite different :)
23:30<Ikarus>steve_: you'll have to provide them a sample of what you want though, my 2nd grade formatting was quite different :)
23:30<Ikarus>steve_: you'll have to provide them a sample of what you want though, my 2nd grade formatting was quite different :)
23:30<steve_>it's so elementary that all the latex guides i've seen neglect it
23:30<steve_>it's so elementary that all the latex guides i've seen neglect it
23:30<steve_>it's so elementary that all the latex guides i've seen neglect it
23:30<steve_>it's so elementary that all the latex guides i've seen neglect it
23:30<steve_>it's so elementary that all the latex guides i've seen neglect it
23:30<steve_>it's so elementary that all the latex guides i've seen neglect it
23:31<steve_>i just want:
23:31<steve_>i just want:
23:31<steve_>i just want:
23:31<steve_>i just want:
23:31<steve_>i just want:
23:31<steve_>i just want:
23:31<steve_> 2
23:31<steve_> 2
23:31<steve_> 2
23:31<steve_> 2
23:31<steve_> 2
23:31<steve_> 2
23:31<steve_>+2
23:31<steve_>+223:31 < steve_> +2
23:31<steve_>+2
23:31<steve_>+2
23:31<steve_>+2
23:31<steve_>____________
23:31<steve_>____________
23:31<steve_>____________
23:31<steve_>____________
23:31<steve_>____________
23:31<steve_>____________
23:31<steve_>like that, but nice
23:31<steve_>like that, but nice
23:31<steve_>like that, but nice
23:31<steve_>like that, but nice
23:31<steve_>like that, but nice
23:31<steve_>like that, but nice
23:31<steve_>like it was done in latex, not word
23:31<steve_>like it was done in latex, not word
23:31<steve_>like it was done in latex, not word
23:31<steve_>like it was done in latex, not word
23:31<steve_>like it was done in latex, not word
23:31<steve_>like it was done in latex, not word
23:31<Ikarus>right aligned I guess
23:31<Ikarus>right aligned I guess
23:31<Ikarus>right aligned I guess
23:31<Ikarus>right aligned I guess
23:31<Ikarus>right aligned I guess
23:31<Ikarus>right aligned I guess
23:31<steve_>yah
23:31<steve_>yah
23:31<steve_>yah
23:31<steve_>yah
23:31<steve_>yah
23:31<steve_>yah
23:32<Ikarus>steve_: it is not common to do in LaTeX because most people do complex mathematical formatting in it, not just basic stuff but I am sure it can be done but as said comp.text.tex (newsgroup) or it's equivilent MLs should work
23:32<Ikarus>steve_: it is not common to do in LaTeX because most people do complex mathematical formatting in it, not just basic stuff but I am sure it can be done but as said comp.text.tex (newsgroup) or it's equivilent MLs should work
23:32<Ikarus>steve_: it is not common to do in LaTeX because most people do complex mathematical formatting in it, not just basic stuff but I am sure it can be done but as said comp.text.tex (newsgroup) or it's equivilent MLs should work
23:32<Ikarus>steve_: it is not common to do in LaTeX because most people do complex mathematical formatting in it, not just basic stuff but I am sure it can be done but as said comp.text.tex (newsgroup) or it's equivilent MLs should work
23:32<Ikarus>steve_: it is not common to do in LaTeX because most people do complex mathematical formatting in it, not just basic stuff but I am sure it can be done but as said comp.text.tex (newsgroup) or it's equivilent MLs should work
23:32<Ikarus>steve_: it is not common to do in LaTeX because most people do complex mathematical formatting in it, not just basic stuff but I am sure it can be done but as said comp.text.tex (newsgroup) or it's equivilent MLs should work
23:32<Ikarus>they are slightly more competent in this then the people here :)
23:32<Ikarus>they are slightly more competent in this then the people here :)
23:32<Ikarus>they are slightly more competent in this then the people here :)
23:32<Ikarus>they are slightly more competent in this then the people here :)
23:32<Ikarus>they are slightly more competent in this then the people here :)
23:32<Ikarus>they are slightly more competent in this then the people here :)
23:33<steve_>ack, i know, i but i need this in 10 minutes
23:33<steve_>ack, i know, i but i need this in 10 minutes
23:33<steve_>ack, i know, i but i need this in 10 minutes
23:33<steve_>ack, i know, i but i need this in 10 minutes
23:33<steve_>ack, i know, i but i need this in 10 minutes
23:33<steve_>ack, i know, i but i need this in 10 minutes
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23:33<faheem>steve_: i'd get hold of a copy of "math into latex" or similar
23:33<faheem>steve_: i'd get hold of a copy of "math into latex" or similar
23:33<faheem>steve_: i'd get hold of a copy of "math into latex" or similar
23:33<faheem>steve_: i'd get hold of a copy of "math into latex" or similar
23:33<faheem>steve_: i'd get hold of a copy of "math into latex" or similar
23:33<faheem>steve_: i'd get hold of a copy of "math into latex" or similar
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23:33<steve_>is there like an \add{2}{2} ?
23:33<steve_>is there like an \add{2}{2} ?
23:33<steve_>is there like an \add{2}{2} ?
23:33<steve_>is there like an \add{2}{2} ?
23:33<steve_>is there like an \add{2}{2} ?
23:33<steve_>is there like an \add{2}{2} ?
23:33<faheem>steve_: that's quite a deadline. :-)
23:33<faheem>steve_: that's quite a deadline. :-)
23:33<faheem>steve_: that's quite a deadline. :-)
23:33<faheem>steve_: that's quite a deadline. :-)
23:33<faheem>steve_: that's quite a deadline. :-)
23:33<faheem>steve_: that's quite a deadline. :-)
23:33<faheem>steve_: hang on, let me take a quick look.
23:33<faheem>steve_: hang on, let me take a quick look.
23:33<faheem>steve_: hang on, let me take a quick look.
23:33<faheem>steve_: hang on, let me take a quick look.
23:33<faheem>steve_: hang on, let me take a quick look.
23:33<faheem>steve_: hang on, let me take a quick look.
23:33<Ikarus>steve_: try on irc.freenode.net the channel #latex
23:33<Ikarus>steve_: try on irc.freenode.net the channel #latex
23:33<Ikarus>steve_: try on irc.freenode.net the channel #latex
23:33<Ikarus>steve_: try on irc.freenode.net the channel #latex
23:33<Ikarus>steve_: try on irc.freenode.net the channel #latex
23:33<Ikarus>steve_: try on irc.freenode.net the channel #latex
23:34<steve_>nobody on there
23:34<steve_>nobody on there
23:34<steve_>nobody on there
23:34<steve_>nobody on there
23:34<steve_>nobody on there
23:34<steve_>nobody on there
23:34<steve_>once again, i apoligize
23:34<steve_>once again, i apoligize
23:34<steve_>once again, i apoligize
23:34<steve_>once again, i apoligize
23:34<steve_>once again, i apoligize
23:34<steve_>once again, i apoligize
23:34<Ikarus>steve_: on freenode, seems about 50 people there
23:34<Ikarus>steve_: on freenode, seems about 50 people there
23:34<Ikarus>steve_: on freenode, seems about 50 people there
23:34<Ikarus>steve_: on freenode, seems about 50 people there
23:34<Ikarus>steve_: on freenode, seems about 50 people there
23:34<Ikarus>steve_: on freenode, seems about 50 people there
23:34<Ikarus>although I assume they could be idle
23:34<Ikarus>although I assume they could be idle
23:34<Ikarus>although I assume they could be idle
23:34<Ikarus>although I assume they could be idle
23:34<Ikarus>although I assume they could be idle
23:34<Ikarus>although I assume they could be idle
23:34<steve_>yah, idle
23:34<steve_>yah, idle
23:34<steve_>yah, idle
23:34<steve_>yah, idle
23:34<steve_>yah, idle
23:34<steve_>yah, idle
23:34<faheem>steve_: can you pastebin exactly what you are looking for?
23:34<faheem>steve_: can you pastebin exactly what you are looking for?
23:34<faheem>steve_: can you pastebin exactly what you are looking for?
23:34<faheem>steve_: can you pastebin exactly what you are looking for?
23:34<faheem>steve_: can you pastebin exactly what you are looking for?
23:34<faheem>steve_: can you pastebin exactly what you are looking for?
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23:35<faheem>how many additions are there? also, some context might be helpful.
23:35<faheem>how many additions are there? also, some context might be helpful.
23:35<faheem>how many additions are there? also, some context might be helpful.
23:35<faheem>how many additions are there? also, some context might be helpful.
23:35<faheem>how many additions are there? also, some context might be helpful.
23:35<faheem>how many additions are there? also, some context might be helpful.
23:35<faheem>would a tabular environment work?
23:35<faheem>would a tabular environment work?
23:35<faheem>would a tabular environment work?
23:35<faheem>would a tabular environment work?
23:35<faheem>would a tabular environment work?
23:35<faheem>would a tabular environment work?
23:37<steve_>uhm, i was just wondering if there was something similar to \frac{e^x}{0}, but for addition and subtraction
23:37<steve_>uhm, i was just wondering if there was something similar to \frac{e^x}{0}, but for addition and subtraction
23:37<steve_>uhm, i was just wondering if there was something similar to \frac{e^x}{0}, but for addition and subtraction
23:37<steve_>uhm, i was just wondering if there was something similar to \frac{e^x}{0}, but for addition and subtraction
23:37<steve_>uhm, i was just wondering if there was something similar to \frac{e^x}{0}, but for addition and subtraction
23:37<steve_>uhm, i was just wondering if there was something similar to \frac{e^x}{0}, but for addition and subtraction
23:37<faheem>steve_: don't see anything like that in "math into latex", which is relatively complete.
23:37<faheem>steve_: don't see anything like that in "math into latex", which is relatively complete.
23:37<faheem>steve_: don't see anything like that in "math into latex", which is relatively complete.
23:37<faheem>steve_: don't see anything like that in "math into latex", which is relatively complete.
23:37<faheem>steve_: don't see anything like that in "math into latex", which is relatively complete.
23:37<faheem>steve_: don't see anything like that in "math into latex", which is relatively complete.
23:37<steve_>http://www.mrjusino.com/Subtraction.gif
23:37<steve_>http://www.mrjusino.com/Subtraction.gif
23:37<steve_>http://www.mrjusino.com/Subtraction.gif
23:37<steve_>http://www.mrjusino.com/Subtraction.gif
23:37<steve_>http://www.mrjusino.com/Subtraction.gif
23:37<steve_>http://www.mrjusino.com/Subtraction.gif
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23:37<steve_>like that!
23:37<steve_>like that!
23:37<steve_>like that!
23:37<steve_>like that!
23:37<steve_>like that!
23:37<steve_>like that!
23:37<steve_>lol
23:37<steve_>lol
23:37<steve_>lol
23:37<steve_>lol
23:37<steve_>lol
23:37<steve_>lol
23:38<faheem>has some of the amsmath stuff. of course, doesn't have the hordes of special packages on ctan
23:38<faheem>has some of the amsmath stuff. of course, doesn't have the hordes of special packages on ctan
23:38<faheem>has some of the amsmath stuff. of course, doesn't have the hordes of special packages on ctan
23:38<faheem>has some of the amsmath stuff. of course, doesn't have the hordes of special packages on ctan
23:38<faheem>has some of the amsmath stuff. of course, doesn't have the hordes of special packages on ctan
23:38<faheem>has some of the amsmath stuff. of course, doesn't have the hordes of special packages on ctan
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23:38<faheem>steve_: do you need more than three rows here, or exactly as shown?
23:38<faheem>steve_: do you need more than three rows here, or exactly as shown?
23:38<faheem>steve_: do you need more than three rows here, or exactly as shown?
23:38<faheem>steve_: do you need more than three rows here, or exactly as shown?
23:38<faheem>steve_: do you need more than three rows here, or exactly as shown?
23:38<faheem>steve_: do you need more than three rows here, or exactly as shown?
23:38<faheem>you could use overset or something similar
23:38<faheem>you could use overset or something similar
23:38<faheem>you could use overset or something similar
23:38<faheem>you could use overset or something similar
23:38<faheem>you could use overset or something similar
23:38<faheem>you could use overset or something similar
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23:39<steve_>specifically, i need:
23:39<steve_>specifically, i need:
23:39<steve_>specifically, i need:
23:39<steve_>specifically, i need:
23:39<steve_>specifically, i need:
23:39<steve_>specifically, i need:
23:39<steve_>32 - 7
23:39<steve_>32 - 7
23:39<steve_>32 - 7
23:39<steve_>32 - 7
23:39<steve_>32 - 7
23:39<steve_>32 - 7
23:39<steve_>and 25 - 8
23:39<steve_>and 25 - 8
23:39<steve_>and 25 - 8
23:39<steve_>and 25 - 8
23:39<steve_>and 25 - 8
23:39<steve_>and 25 - 8
23:40<steve_>so like:
23:40<steve_>so like:
23:40<steve_>so like:
23:40<steve_>so like:
23:40<steve_>so like:
23:40<steve_>so like:
23:40<steve_> 32
23:40<steve_> 32
23:40<steve_> 32
23:40<steve_> 32
23:40<steve_> 32
23:40<steve_> 32
23:40<steve_>- 8
23:40<steve_>- 8
23:40<steve_>- 8
23:40<steve_>- 8
23:40<steve_>- 8
23:40<steve_>- 8
23:40<steve_>oops
23:40<steve_>oops
23:40<steve_>oops
23:40<steve_>oops
23:40<steve_>oops
23:40<steve_>oops
23:40<faheem>steve_: pastebin
23:40<faheem>steve_: pastebin
23:40<faheem>steve_: pastebin
23:40<faheem>steve_: pastebin
23:40<faheem>steve_: pastebin
23:40<faheem>steve_: pastebin
23:40<steve_>what's pastebin?
23:40<steve_>what's pastebin?
23:40<steve_>what's pastebin?
23:40<steve_>what's pastebin?
23:40<steve_>what's pastebin?
23:40<steve_>what's pastebin?
23:40<faheem>!paste
23:40<faheem>!paste
23:40<faheem>!paste
23:40<faheem>!paste
23:40<faheem>!paste
23:40<faheem>!paste
23:40<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
23:40<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
23:40<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
23:40<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
23:40<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
23:40<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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23:41<steve_>http://paste.debian.net/49691/
23:41<steve_>http://paste.debian.net/49691/
23:41<steve_>http://paste.debian.net/49691/
23:41<steve_>http://paste.debian.net/49691/
23:41<steve_>http://paste.debian.net/49691/
23:41<steve_>http://paste.debian.net/49691/
23:41<steve_>that, but looking professional
23:41<steve_>that, but looking professional
23:41<steve_>that, but looking professional
23:4123:41< steve_> that, but looking professional
<steve_>that, but looking professional
23:41<steve_>that, but looking professional
23:41<steve_>in latex
23:41<steve_>in latex
23:41<steve_>in latex
23:41<steve_>in latex
23:41<steve_>in latex
23:41<steve_>in latex
23:42<faheem>and line three is empty?
23:42<faheem>and line three is empty?
23:42<faheem>and line three is empty?
23:42<faheem>and line three is empty?
23:42<faheem>and line three is empty?
23:42<faheem>and line three is empty?
23:42<steve_>no, i want it to look normal
23:42<steve_>no, i want it to look normal
23:42<steve_>no, i want it to look normal
23:42<steve_>no, i want it to look normal
23:42<steve_>no, i want it to look normal
23:42<steve_>no, i want it to look normal
23:44<faheem>steve_: there is something called the matrix subsidary math environment
23:44<faheem>steve_: there is something called the matrix subsidary math environment
23:44<faheem>steve_: there is something called the matrix subsidary math environment
23:44<faheem>steve_: there is something called the matrix subsidary math environment
23:44<faheem>steve_: there is something called the matrix subsidary math environment
23:44<faheem>steve_: there is something called the matrix subsidary math environment
23:44<steve_>ok
23:44<steve_>ok
23:44<steve_>ok
23:44<steve_>ok
23:44<steve_>ok
23:44<steve_>ok
23:44<faheem>