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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-11-01

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00:04<Blister>Sorry for off-topic, anyone know if there is a BackTrack chat server?
00:05<gsimmons>Blister: #remote-exploit on irc.freenode.net.
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00:17<vsayikiran>if i shutdown my pc during i download packages at time of dist-upgrade, and boot my pc after some time, will i be able to resume the dist-upgrade process
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00:18<PovAddict>vsayikiran: yes, but it'd be better if you cleanly ctrl-c the dist-upgrade before shutting down :)
00:18<PovAddict>oh he quit -.-
00:18<Blister>:/
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00:41<dlp>Why doesn't a computer say "beep" when it reboots from Windows, as it does upon powerup, reboot via the reset button, or reboot via any other operating system?
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00:54<beerfrog>i domt think mine beeps
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00:54<beerfrog>only when usb change etc
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00:55<beerfrog>on deb i get 'cannot enumerate usb device on port 1' when booting
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00:55<beerfrog>is that normal or do i have a shot port somewhere
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00:55<beerfrog>i assume it was the kernel not knowing the name and make of my keyboard or something
00:56<beerfrog>but i plug in on diff ports and get the same msg
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01:33<sohrab>hi alll
01:33<sohrab>i need install vmware server on centos 5.4
01:33<sohrab>how know about ?
01:33<sohrab>whos know that ?
01:34<steffan>probably the centos irc channel
01:35<sohrab>where is ?
01:36<beerfrog>freenode probably has one
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01:58<Benmtl>I have problems with Debian connected network, I have 2 interface, 1 for ADSL 1 for Network. Clients which is connected to network cannot ping for ex. google com (cant resolve) someone can help me ?
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01:03<Benmtl>is anybody hear me :/
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01:06<kenyon>Benmtl: are you trying to do NAT?
01:07<jerryclunsford>how do you configure gnome terminal to connect to a cisco router?
01:07<sney>telnet?
01:08<Benmtl>kenyon: main problem is debian can ping google but clients which is connected to network cannot
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01:08<PovAddict>Benmtl: you'd need to set up rounting
01:08<PovAddict>routing
01:08<PovAddict>so clients in network go through the debian machine which routes from local interface to wan
01:08<jerryclunsford>well I'm using a cisco console cable out of the seriel port
01:09<kenyon>Benmtl: you can't just plug wires in and expect your machine to work as a router
01:09<Benmtl>so how can i do that, clients are working under 192.168.1.x , debian connected to adsl 100.100.100.5
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01:09<PovAddict>you sure that's not 10.10.10.5?
01:09<Benmtl>no
01:10<Benmtl>Adsl modem is : 100.100.100.1 , I have 2 interface on debian
01:10<Benmtl>1 is 100.100.100.5 (connected to ADSL modem)
01:10<PovAddict>wtf
01:10<Benmtl>2nd interface is 192.168.1.1 connected to switch going to network
01:10<PovAddict>10.x.x.x is usable for local networks
01:11<PovAddict>to have 100.100.100.1 you'd have to own that IP block
01:11<sney>jerryclunsford: kermit?
01:12<jerryclunsford>sney don't know what kermit is
01:12<kenyon>100.100.100.5 is IANA reserved
01:12<sney>aptitude show kermit
01:12<jerryclunsford>ok
01:12<sney>or maybe it's called ckermit now
01:13<sney>anyway, it's a program for serial consoles.
01:14<jerryclunsford>I suppose I could aptitude install kermit or ckermit?
01:14<kenyon>!info ckermit
01:14<jerryclunsford>aptitude didn't find the pakage
01:14<dpkg>ckermit: (a serial and network communications package), section non-free/comm, is extra. Version: 211-13 (sid), Packaged size: 1595 kB, Installed size: 3028 kB
01:15<kenyon>!non-free
01:15<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
01:15<PovAddict>nonfree?
01:15<kenyon>that's right
01:15<PovAddict>I wouldn't believe there is no free software to talk to a serial console
01:15<kenyon>ok
01:15<sney>it used to be free
01:16<sney>I think
01:16<PovAddict>!info kermit
01:16<sney>though the last time I did anything with a serial console, 2.4 was all the rage
01:17<PovAddict>!info remote-tty
01:17<dpkg>remote-tty: (multiuser "tip"/"cu" replacement with logging), section admin, is optional. Version: 4.0-12 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 120 kB
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01:20<jerryclunsford>is remote-tty easilly configured?
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01:21<PovAddict>I know nothing about it, I found it from apt-cache search
01:21<jerryclunsford>I have little experience
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01:26<kenyon>here's another http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gtkterm
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01:28<jerryclunsford>Thank you kenyon
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01:37<jerryclunsford>kenyon thanks installed gtkterm looks like it's easy enough for even me to use. I've been looking at terminal emulators all night and couldn't find that wasn't too hard to install or use.
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01:40<slashme>How do I install the squeeze version of the sun jre package?
01:40<slashme>I need sun java 1.6.16, and lenny only has 1.6.14
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01:42<slashme>dpkg how do I install a squeeze package in lenny?
01:42<dpkg>i don't know, slashme
01:42<faheem>slashme: is there a backport?
01:43<faheem>or can you build one?
01:43<slashme>faheem, I guess I should check ;-]
01:43<slashme>I tried building with make-jpkg, but it didn't work, and I've been told that it's not supposed to be used any more.
01:44<faheem>slashme: no, you could just build the debian sources in the usual way
01:45<faheem>apt-get build-dep ..., debuild binary
01:45<faheem>from a quick glance at the dependencies, it will probably work
01:45<faheem>build dependencies i mean
01:46<peej>!info minicom
01:46<dpkg>minicom: (friendly menu driven serial communication program), section comm, is optional. Version: 2.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 310 kB, Installed size: 1144 kB
01:46<slashme>OK, I'll first try a prebuilt backport, and if that doesn't work, I'll build one. Thanks!
01:52<slashme>Hmm, Sun java is not yet in lenny-backports. Let's see about that building option.
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02:00<slashme>faheem, I've never built a package from source, and this one seems to be less than straightforward: I've downloaded the sun jre (jre-6u16-linux-i586.bin). There are two packages in squeeze that seem relevant: sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-bin. I think I now have the binary part, but where can I find instructions on how to build the debian package?
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02:02<slashme>Oh, hey, squeeze's java's dependencies seem to be satisfied in Lenny, looks like I can just download the squeeze deb and go!
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02:10<Merlin>What does sudo sshd-generate do?
02:13<slashme>Well sudo runs a command as root...
02:14<slashme>and I'm googling sshd-generate as I speak.
02:14<slashme>s/speak/type/
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02:14<slashme>Ah, right, it generates a public and private key pair.
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02:16<slashme>Not sure what the difference is from ssh-keygen or whatever it's called.
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02:17<Merlin><clone> Your identification has been saved in /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.
02:17<Merlin><clone> Your public key has been saved in /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub.
02:17<Merlin><clone> The key fingerprint is:
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02:18<Merlin>What some guy said. But what is it?
02:18<slashme>Ah, right, I get it. You run ssh-keygen for yourself, to create keys to authenticate yourself as a user. This is used by ssh (the secure shell login client). sshd-generate (note the "d") is used by the sshd server to make a key pair.
02:18<slashme>When you install sshd, it normally gets done for you.
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02:19<slashme>or at least that's what I seem to recall. I might be wrong.
02:20<Merlin>So keys are used to make sure that it is 'your computer' accessing the OS not someone else?
02:22<slashme>Actually, ssh is usually used between computers.
02:22<Merlin>oh What do keys do then?
02:22<slashme>but I'm not sure what the server generates keys for. When I log into my box remotely using ssh, I present my public key, and encrypt with my private key.
02:23<slashme>The server can then decrypt using my public key.
02:23<slashme>This proves that the connection comes from me.
02:23<slashme>Wait, I got that wrong.
02:23<slashme>Ah, right.
02:23<slashme>This is burning my head a bit, hang on....
02:23<Merlin>AAAAhhhh
02:23<slashme>I have to encrypt using the server's public key.
02:23<slashme>The server can then decrypt using its private key.
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02:24<slashme>That's why the server needs keys.
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02:24<slashme>I can authenticate myself to the server by signing the login with my private key. The server can then use my public key to confirm that it's me talking.
02:24<slashme>whew.
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02:25<slashme>So in my .ssh directory, I have an id_rsa (which I keep private) and an id_rsa.pub (which I can disseminate)
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02:26<slashme>I also have an authorised-keys file, which contains the following:
02:26<slashme>ssh-rsa [string of highly secret characters] == slashme@slashmelaptop
02:27<steffan>slashme: what are you trying to do? just passwordless authentication using ssh keys?
02:27<slashme>Then when I ssh into my desktop machine from my laptop, sshd looks to see whether I'm authorised by looking in the authorised-keys file.
02:27<slashme>steffan: I'm explaining to Merlin how I manage to log in using ssh keys.
02:28<slashme>He was asking about what sshd-generate does, which led me to this explanation.
02:28<Merlin>Which I don't understand haha
02:28<steffan>!tell Merlin -about ssh keys
02:29<steffan>Merlin: there's a good URL in that you might want to read
02:29<slashme>Thx
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02:30<amp>hello, are there known problems with repository signatures? I'm getting:
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02:30<amp>W: GPG error: http://ftp.at.debian.org sid Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 9AA38DCD55BE302B Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny) <ftpmaster@debian.org>
02:30<slashme>amp, so am I.
02:30<slashme>Dunno what's cooking.
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02:31<amp>slashme: at least I know it's not on my side...
02:31<slashme>:-]
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02:35<Merlin>the pudding online website?
02:35<slashme>teh lol
02:36<Merlin>http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/document/html/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO-3.html
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02:36<slashme>oh, right.
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02:41<Merlin>I am using Konquerer and I went View > Security. It comes up with "Current connection is not secured with SSL." Is that bad?
02:42<slashme>Only if you're trying to access a secure site. Does the url start with https://?
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02:42<Merlin>Oh nope.
02:43<Merlin>https:// are used SSL? Is SSL essential just passwords and encryptions?
02:44<Merlin>encryptions not passwords
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02:45<slashme>ssl == "secure socket layer", i.e. encrypted communication over network sockets.
02:45<slashme>Typically, websites that do e-commerce or need a password for some reason will use ssl to communicate with your browser.
02:47<Merlin>Forum sites use SSL?
02:48<slashme>Some of them.
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02:49<Merlin>Thanks
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02:51<tony_>Hi, is there any sparc guys about ?
02:52<sney>ex-sparc guy
02:53<tony_>cool :)
02:53<tony_>did a net install on an E250
02:53<tony_>all good
02:53<tony_>the xserver came up a bit small
02:54<tony_>so thought I would poke about a bit
02:54<tony_>open up a terminal window
02:54<tony_>cd /dev
02:54<tony_>ls
02:55<tony_>and nothing
02:55<tony_>ls -l
02:55<sney>weird!
02:55<tony_>gives all the data minus file names
02:55<tony_>ls -a
02:55<tony_>shows 1 dot file
02:56<tony_>that what I thought
02:56<sney>check the bts for udev. when I say ex-sparc guy I mean I'm 3 years behind the curve, I can't really troubleshoot new issues
02:56<tony_>the gui sees the files in dev OK
02:56<sney>also, even with established stuff like Ultrasparc II you're going to get wonky issues since there are fewer people supporting the arch
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02:57<Merlin>Is sparc another name for a Linux distro called Ultra X Linus?
02:57<tony_>no worries, just thought it was worth a mention
02:57<sney>sparc is a different cpu architecture
02:58<Merlin>o
02:58<sney>it is mostly found in computers made by Sun Microsystems
02:58<tony_>I'll do a proper eval and check for reports before sending
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03:02<tony_>any quick fixes for changing the Xserver res, the gui is only offering 640x480 60Hz
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03:03<sney>xrandr usually, but depending on what fb you have it may or may not actually work. safer bet just to edit xorg.conf
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03:03<tony_>Thanks, sney
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03:18<Luffy1980>I get this error, while doing apt-get update, from ftp.debian.org and ftp.it.debian.org, but not from ftp.us.debian.org: W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 9AA38DCD55BE302B Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny) <ftpmaster@debian.org>, same thing fro unstable and experimental. Is it normal that ftp.debian.org and ftp.it.debian.org report the problem, but not ftp
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03:29<slashme>Luffy1980 I've gotten that today for the first time. Dunno about the different sites.
03:32<Luffy1980>slashme: Did you try with ftp://ftp.us.debian.org? It should not report the same error. But should I trust it?
03:32<slashme>Luffy1980 why wouldn't you trust it?
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03:34<Luffy1980>slashme: 2 sites report a gpg error, the 3rd doesn't. why?
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03:35<slashme>It's a recent error, so maybe the 3rd isn't updated yet, or is already fixed.
03:35<eeeuser>Hello, I have a question. My battery meter stopped working, I had a poke around and noticed I no longer can see /proc/acpi/battery or similar. Should I be looking elswhere? I can see "battery" in lsmod.
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03:36<Luffy1980>slashme: If we can freely ignore gpg errors, then what's the point of using it? Couldn't it be a security problem?
03:36<slashme>eeeuser this is #debian, and I've been complained at for asking ubuntu and knoppix questions here, so I'm not sure whether eeepc questions are appropriate...
03:36<eeeuser>Slashme, I'm running squeeze.
03:36<slashme>Luffy1980 Absolutely true.
03:36<slashme>eeeuser sorry!!!
03:36<sney>there is #debian-eeepc for eee-specific questions, but as long as he's running debian it's relevant here as well
03:37<sney>eeeuser: do you have eeepc-acpi-scripts installed?
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03:37<eeeuser>Yeah. IT was all working fine until I did an upgrade to 2.6.30-2. I tried booting the other kernel, with the same results.
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03:38<frontrank>hi
03:38<eeeuser>By other I mean 2.6.30-1
03:38<Luffy1980>slashme: well, if I don't read any news about this before, I'll wait for 1 or 2 days before doing an update.
03:38<slashme>eeeuser do you have /proc/acpi at all?
03:38<sney>eeeuser: well go to #debian-eeepc and say what you did and what happened, and synrg or somebody will respond eventually
03:39<frontrank>im using lenny, but now i wanted to pinnig squeeze. I've added squeeze repos but now im getting this error while apt-get update:
03:39<frontrank>W: GPG error: http://ftp.fr.debian.org squeeze Release: As seguintes assinaturas eram inválidas: BADSIG 9AA38DCD55BE302B Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny) <ftpmaster@debian.org>
03:39<slashme>frontrank it's happening to everyone.
03:39<eeeuser>righto. I'm not convinced that it is eee-specific, but it might be. Shouldn't the module be creating the appropriate entries in /proc?
03:39<frontrank>ah
03:39<slashme>Not about the pinning.
03:39<frontrank>thanks slashme
03:39<slashme>np
03:40<KingKong2009>Hello, how do I uninstall a corrupt extension from IceWeasel?
03:41<eeeuser>KingKong2009: Do you want to keep your iceweasel profile?
03:41<KingKong2009>Nope
03:42<eeeuser>shutdown firefox entirely, then run "rm -rf ~/.mozilla" at a terminal
03:43<KingKong2009>eeeuser, I tried renaming that dir but problem still exist
03:43<eeeuser>then there is still a firefox process running
03:43<eeeuser>run "ps augxw | grep irefox"
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03:44<eeeuser>if that shows something, then killall firefox-bin. If that doesn't work, then killall -9 firefox-bin"
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03:45<@Ganneff>the debian mirror will be fixed in a bit, push now coming
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03:46<Luffy1980>Ganneff: so it's a known problem that is going to be fixed?
03:46<@Ganneff>it is fixed, it now only takes time for the mirrors to fetch it all
03:46<Luffy1980>Ganneff: thanks for the info.
03:48<KingKong2009>eeeuser, Thanks iceweasel, now its fine, it was FlashGot that was causing a problem
03:49<KingKong2009>eeeuser, Meant to say Thanks kill IceWeasel
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03:51<eeeuser>KingKong2009: np
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04:31<Woet>What's the kill signal for rehash again?
04:31<Woet>kill -15 PID?
04:31<FourtyTruth>-15 = sigterm
04:31<Woet>hmm, would that be rehash?
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04:32<Woet>i know there is a signal which is meant for rehash on at least unrealIRCd and ZNC
04:32<FourtyTruth>maybe a "man kill" would help you
04:33<jorzo>whats this talk about killing a man
04:33<Woet>ah, -SIGHUP
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04:34<slashme>What's this script do? unzip ; touch ; finger ; mount ; gasp ; yes ; umount ; sleep
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04:35<jorzo>i'm not familiar with the command gasp
04:35<Woet>-bash: gasp: command not found :(
04:35<slashme>If "man kill" disturbs you, how about "finger man" or "man mount"?
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04:36<slashme>GASP is a generic protocol encoder and decoder.
04:36<slashme>It's still on freshmeat.
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04:37<slashme>Of course "finger man" wouldn't make much sense unless "man" was a user on your system...
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04:39<jorzo>are you depressed?
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04:46<slashme>jorzo: far from it. Excited! I'm getting my phone working nicely for the Open Street Map project.
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04:49<slashme>These download files are in Microsoft Word 6.0 format. After unzipping, these files can be viewed in any text editor, including all versions of Microsoft Word, WordPad, and Microsoft Word Viewer.
04:49<slashme>BWAHAHAHA
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04:54<simonrvn>witf. those aren't text editors....
04:54<simonrvn>they're binary file editors
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04:54<simonrvn>(M$hit .doc is a binary format)
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05:04<slashme>simonrvn You could make a case for WordPad being a text editor at a pinch...
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05:04<slashme>But that's only if you squeeze your eyes half closed and drink a beer or two.
05:05<slashme>strings file.doc | less
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05:13<simonrvn>slashme: heh heh
05:13<jesse>eheh
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05:16<asdtemp>hello
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05:30<mary_>γεια σας.προσπαθω να συνδεσω το pc με την οθονη της tv με s-video εξοδο αλλα δεν εχω εικονα και μια φορα που πηρα εικονα το pc εβγαλε μυνημα οτι λειτουργει σε κατασταση ασφαλειασ....καμια ιδεα?
05:31<locklace>!gr
05:31<dpkg>it has been said that gr is for help in greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el. General Resolution
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05:35<mary_>ok.i would like some help to connect my pc with tv,s-video exit.
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06:15<gaurav>.
06:15<RobL>..
06:15<locklace>good point
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06:16<RobL>is security.debian still broken? because if so... I am going to be forced to stop building this server and go outside!
06:16<RobL>and the weather outside is utterly vile.
06:17<RobL>hmm.
06:20<RobL>seems still borked to me. :(
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06:20<locklace>!lose RobL
06:20<dpkg>RobL: You Lose.
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06:21<RobL>t'choh! coat time then!
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06:24<rgouveia>Hi all ... I can't seem to load acpi-cpufreq. on my Intel Q6600. I keep getting this error FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device. This also happened with the default lenny kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64. Any ideas?
06:25<locklace>maybe try building your own from the latest source at kernel.org
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06:31<dude_>i'm very baffled.... ath5k is loaded, lshw -c network shows that my wifi card is detected, and I think the wifi switch is "on", but wicd still doesn't pick up a network. :\
06:31<rgouveia>locklace: I was just avoiding it but you're probably right. Although Slackware 13 32bit kernel worked and it wasn't pre 2.6.30
06:31<rgouveia>s/wasn't/was
06:32<locklace>well, after trying that you can reasonably open a kernel bug or complain to lkml
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06:34<rgouveia>locklace: ok ... thanks for your input :-)
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06:35<locklace>dude_: paste output of "lspci -knn", "ifconfig -a' and "iwlist ath0 scan" or whatever the name of your interface is to http://paste.debian.net
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06:36<dude_>locklace, ok brb in around 5 I'll just reboot this machine
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06:38<dude_>locklace, how do I check the interface's name? iirc, lspci shows wmaster0, but iwconfig lists wlan0
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06:39<gsimmons>dude_: Forget about wmaster0, you don't configure this.
06:39<locklace>just use wlan0 then. also include the output of "iwconfig wlan0"
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06:39<locklace>good, gsimmons is here. i can do something else
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06:48<josiete>Hi guys
06:48<josiete>Yesterday I told you about a problem in my CD-ROM
06:48<dude_>locklace, here it is http://paste.debian.net/50425/
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06:49<josiete>I couldn't mount my cdrom and i received this error mesagge ....
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06:50<josiete>mount: special device /dev/hdc does not exist
06:50<josiete>I'm using sid/squeeze
06:51<josiete>I have a solution
06:51<josiete>The may be something wrong with the package discover and discover-data
06:51<gsimmons>dude_: Which kernel version are you using? (uname -r)
06:51<josiete>When I remove this packages , i can mount my CD-ROM properly
06:52<dude_>gsimmons, 2.6.30-2
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06:54<gsimmons>dude_: Hmmm, its ath5k supports your AR5007EG-based device. Anything in dmesg?
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06:55<dude_>gsimmons, nothing very interesting
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06:57<gsimmons>dude_: Try configuring your wireless interface independently of wicd ; /msg dpkg wireless-tools ; /msg dpkg wpa
06:58<dude_>gsimmons, could it be that the hardware switch isn't on? but it doesn't seem to work...
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07:06<dude_>i mean, turning on/off the switch doesn't affect anything on Debian
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07:08<Prometheu>list
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07:09<dude_>also, I tried network-manager-kde, no dice.
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07:10<gsimmons>dude_: /msg dpkg killswitch ; rfkill should be polling the hardware switch and setting /sys/class/rfkill/*/state as necessary. What system (brand/model) are you using?
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07:12<dude_>gsimmons, you mean model of the computer? Minix uNote M1000
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07:14<dude_>btw, how do I know if the killswitch is on?
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07:31<krlmk>hi. does anyone use bluetooth on gnome?
07:31<dr|z3d>!anyone
07:31<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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07:32<krlmk>you almost got me -- I have a problem at: using ;-)
07:32<krlmk>I have a...
07:32<krlmk>... Preferance->Bluetooth
07:33<krlmk>it just doesn't wok
07:33<locklace>are you saying you expect it to stir-fry?
07:33<krlmk>-- wait!
07:34<krlmk>no, but
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07:34<krlmk>when I run Lenny with plugged dongle, this menu doesn't support anything, but now
07:35<krlmk>I plugged it while Bloetooth menu was opened, and it happend -- it showed up!
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07:36<krlmk>I'll test it...
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07:41<krlmk>... and nothing. I can't connect my cell phone to my pc. But tab for the adapter showed up, I turned bt to visible, but I still can't connect.
07:42<krlmk>How to search a bluetooth adapter from a desktop?
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07:44<krlmk>I mean how I could find a foreign bt device?
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07:46<krlmk>... I have found.
07:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 396] by debhelper
07:47<locklace>!next
07:47<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
07:47<krlmk>well -- I didn't.
07:48<locklace>the door is that way -->
07:48<krlmk>really?
07:49<krlmk>I can't find, could someone... ?
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07:54<krlmk>I read Google, found obex, found something what sounds like hdci(some time ago), but still something is not right... At least I know where the buglist is.
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08:09<azeem>oops
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08:28<locklace>!qotd0
08:28<dpkg><abrotman> nt pattern matches my left testicle
08:29<locklace>!beer abrotman
08:29*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for abrotman
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08:48<gigi>hi
08:48<flo>hello
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08:48<Malicia>hi all
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08:52<xander>!list
08:52<dpkg>xander: VATTENE VIA
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08:52<steffan>Malicia: Hi.
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08:53<Malicia>steffan, hi :)
08:53<xander>dpkg
08:55<steffan>xander: Is there something that you need help with?
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08:57<xander>ciao a tutti
08:57<xander>!list
08:57<dpkg>xander: VATTENE VIA
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09:00<Chetic>Is there a way to tell growisofs to only burn on the first layer of a dual layer disc?
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09:03<siva>hi
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09:03<roenlxde>#sidux
09:03<siva> I am Taiwan people
09:03<roenlxde>sorry ;)
09:03<siva>ok
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09:04<valdyn>Chetic: to what end?
09:05<siva>I am Taiwan people
09:05<siva>Some person of
09:06<locklace>!win siva
09:06<dpkg>Congratulations, siva! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!!
09:06<krlmk>"I am Taiwan" is ok :)
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09:07<Chetic>valdyn: it's necessary for this image I want to burn, apparently
09:07<Chetic>the only instructions are for imgburn, windows
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09:07<siva>= =
09:08<siva>My English very rotten
09:09<valdyn>Chetic: or its just nonsense
09:09<krlmk>don't worry siva(about locklace), he's... Done.
09:09<siva> I take a bath first
09:10<siva>ok
09:11<Chetic>valdyn: could be. I have no idea how a DL disc works. You mean burning to the first layer only is nonsense or the necessity of doing so is?
09:11<valdyn>Chetic: whatever is burnt depends on the size of the image
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09:12<valdyn>Chetic: skipping n bytes at the 'start' doesnt just work
09:12<valdyn>Chetic: I also wonder why you dont use a single layer disk
09:13<Chetic>I should read up on how they work
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09:17<Gun_Smoke>man this was stupid stupid stupid.. rm -r !(*.mp3) foo\ bar/
09:17<Gun_Smoke>at least I have a backup. :)
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09:23<boknoy>hi guys, how do I put an entry in resolv.conf?
09:23<cahoot>with an editor (as root)
09:24<boknoy>yeah, but it's autogenerated, so anything I do gets overwritten every reboot
09:24<jkoenig>or maybe not directly, if the resolvconf package is installed
09:24<boknoy>jkoenig, how does resolvconf work? why does it need me to specify an interface?
09:24<cahoot>!fixresolv.conf
09:25<cahoot>!fixresolvconf
09:25<dpkg>To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>.
09:25<jkoenig>boknoy: you can read the manual pages referenced by the autogenerated file for more information, but have a look in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/
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09:26<boknoy>ok guys, thanks :D
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09:37<charles>hello
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09:39<siva>...
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09:40<siva> I came back
09:41<siva>Who has listens to South Korea's sorry sorry
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09:42<siva> Who has L4D ggc to play
09:44<siva>In nobody my
09:44<krlmk>hello
09:46<krlmk>siva: this channel is not a game channel, it is Debian Linux channel and for asking mainly Debian-related questions
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09:49<steffan>!offtopic
09:49<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic
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09:57<edbian>I'm having trouble with my debian 5 install. I can't recognize blank CD's!
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10:01<Xenguy>edbian: can you give more details?
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10:02<edbian>Xenguy: Alrighty well. If I put in a normal CD with something written to it it auto-mounts as usual. If I put in a blank CD nothing happens. If I try to manually mount the blank CD I get "no medium found"
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10:04<Xenguy>edbian: I think it is usual to not be able to mount a blank CD? But usually a blank CD will be detected as such, and show up as an icon on the desktop (e.g. 'blank CD')
10:05<edbian>Xenguy: Yeah it doesn't do that. (the auto-mounting) and as a result brasero won't burn to it
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10:05<Xenguy>edbian: have you tried more than one blank CD?
10:06<edbian>Xenguy: Yes, I've tried a CD-RW that I just blanked a moment ago (this is when the problem arose) and a CD-R that is fresh out of the package.
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10:10<krlmk>edbian: are you sure, that nothing is mounted at your CD drive already?
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10:11<edbian>krlmk: Do you mean the folder /media/cdrom ??
10:11<edbian>krlmk: If I remove the disc the folder is empty so I assume nothing is mounted in it
10:11<edbian>krlmk: Is there a way to check?
10:11<krlmk>more the /dev/cdrom device :)
10:11<user01>what is a tool for opening img files?
10:12<Xenguy>user01: is that some kind of proprietary ISO-like file?
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10:13<user01>Xenguy, yeah just found it . . . clonecd :(
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10:14<edbian>krlmk: more /dev/cdrom : /dev/cdrom: No medium found
10:14<edbian>krlmk: This is a with a fresh blank CD-R
10:14<Xenguy>user01: I thought there was a way
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10:14<user01>Xenguy, well if it is a standard img it looks like you can just rename it to iso
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10:15<user01>Xenguy, clonecd has sub file and ccd file in addition
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10:16<krlmk>edbian: did you do more on /dev/cdrom?
10:16<Xenguy>user01: sorry, I thought I had notes on that, but I can't find it ATM
10:17<edbian>krlmk: Yeah. Did you see my post? It returned "/dev/cdrom: No medium found"
10:17<user01>Xenguy, ill keep googling and see what i find
10:17<Xenguy>user01: maybe try renaming to .iso as you say and see if that works; or google of course
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10:17<edbian>krlmk: I tried again with a CD that has stuff on it and it shows me thousands of crazy characters and even managed to mess up the characters on my bash shell and gnome-terminal menu which I assume is a bug.
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10:18<krlmk>edbian: do you know what mount does?
10:18<edbian>krlmk: Speaking in generic High level terms yes.
10:18<user01>mmm there is a ccd2iso program apparently
10:18<valdyn>edbian: you cant more /dev/cdrom on an empty cdrom
10:19<valdyn>edbian: you also cant mount it
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10:19<user01>thank goodness for free software
10:19<valdyn>edbian: cant even do that on an audio cd
10:19<edbian>valdyn: I'm tyring to burn to it ;)
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10:19<user01>Xenguy, ccd2iso :D
10:20<valdyn>edbian: "cdrecord file.iso" breaks?
10:20<Xenguy>user01: just checked that out - looks like you hit the bulls-eye :-)
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10:22<edbian>valdyn: "cdrecord <file>.iso" returns: wodim: No disk / Wrong disk! With a perfectly good blank CD-R in it
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10:25<minino>hi, I can't upgrade from lenny to squeeze, "perl-doc" package gives an error (Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkkg returned an error code (1)) Could someone help me?
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10:26<edbian>Should my CD device be /dev/hdc ??
10:26<edbian>Shouldn't it be /dev/cdrom ??
10:26<Gun_Smoke>/dev/hda here.. But that's with encrypted lv's
10:27<krlmk>minino: and how do you trying to upgrade Lenny?
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10:27<Gun_Smoke>using ^^ is the only time I've seen that.
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10:27<user01>Xenguy, when it converted, the iso has filename;1 what does ;1 mean?
10:28<Gun_Smoke>user01, there are 2 copies?
10:28<minino>I installed debian lenny version called minino with Icwm for old computers, I tried changing the sources list from lenny to squeeze and aptitude update and dist-upgrade, and full-upgrade even krlmk
10:29<minino>i just want to get rid off that perl-doc package
10:29<user01>Gun_Smoke, appears to be only 1
10:29<minino>but i am unable to uninstall it
10:29<Gun_Smoke>user01, I haven't a clue.. gl.
10:30<Xenguy>user01: no idea, I've never used the s/w -- does the man page say anything?
10:30<user01>i guess ill just rename them if necessary
10:30<minino>how could I force aptitude to remove a package?
10:31<krlmk>minino: wait,
10:31<Xenguy>user01: you could rename it to .iso (if that makes sense), then try mounting the iso with mount -o loop etc.
10:31<krlmk>minino: not everyone knows what minino distro could be
10:31<minino>hahahaha
10:32<minino>sorry
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10:32<krlmk>minino: is it your own distro? ;>
10:33<minino>it is a distribution made by some people I know, but it is a pure debian, we just choose it because it is in galician language and has the office software we need for our association
10:33<krlmk>minino: try apt-get remove?
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10:34<krlmk>minino: and then see the /etc/apt/sources.list
10:34<minino>ok, ill pastebin it, it is easy to understand the problem, but i am not good with commands, thats why i ask help, one sec
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10:35<krlmk>user01: did you read the mount man page?
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10:37<user01>krlmk, ive mouted it just a sex
10:37<user01>sec
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10:38<krlmk>is it read-write?
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10:39<minino>when I try to do sudo aptitude remove --purge perl-doc I get this: http://pastebin.com/m29573299
10:40<minino>now i'm using lenny repositories
10:40<minino>but I have similar problem with squeeze ones, I wasnt unable to upgrade from lenny to squeeze because this perl dependency error showed up
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10:41<minino>Ill try again with squeeze repos...
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10:44<krlmk>minio: upgrading from etch to lenny wasn't that easy too
10:45<minino>ooooh, I thought it was easy
10:45<minino>will I get many dependency problems if I do?
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10:46<minino>I guess perl-doc it is not important, and it blocks me from installing anything else, I would like to remove it completely
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10:46<minino>I have tried again with squeeze repos and no luck
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10:47<minino>any ideas? I dont know any other way to remove it
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10:55<Scurz>hi
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10:57<Gun_Smoke>minino, I remember a bug a while back about perl-doc jacking a lot of things up. It has since been worked out in sid, but perhaps has not made it's way down to squeeze yet.
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10:58<minino>well, this is an upgrade from lenny to squeeze, I'd like to use Sid, but this pc is for an association with no idea and no connection to internet...
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10:59<Gun_Smoke>It would seem broken atm.
10:59<Gun_Smoke>Try tomorrow?
10:59<minino>haha
10:59<minino>it is a bit urgent
10:59<Scurz>I'm setting up wireless on my desktop, it works but there is a problem with the rate (that is at 1 mb/s), if I do iwconfig wlan1 rate 54M, the connection freezes, what to do M
10:59<Scurz>s/M/?
10:59<Gun_Smoke>Bad form with urgency and testing/unstable imo..
11:00<minino>but ill try by hand with synaptic, and if not I will reinstall everything and leave lenny Gun_Smoke
11:00<Gun_Smoke>minino, not necessary. If you must, skip squeeze and install sid.
11:00<minino>I just wanted to try if it was possible to leave squeeze
11:01<minino>Gun_Smoke, do u recommend me Sid? for a computer for office programs? No problem in trying
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11:01<Gun_Smoke>^ hell no.
11:01<minino>hahaha
11:01<minino>ok
11:02<minino>Is it so unstable?
11:02<minino>what kernel is avaliable now in Sid?
11:02<Gun_Smoke>I personally use Sid daily, but I can't recommend it to anyone. Especially if it's in a production environment and you're not willing to deal with things that *will* break
11:02<Gun_Smoke>2.6.30
11:02<minino>ah
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11:02<minino>perfect
11:02<minino>haha
11:03<minino>maybe i try with sid, we need some newer kernel to get usb wifi working, so it is a matter of time
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11:03<Gun_Smoke>You can also just skip lenny and install squeeze. Actually from a running half whatever system you have left. See the install manual and look at I believe section 3, installing from a running linux system
11:03<Scurz>no idea please ?
11:04<Gun_Smoke>You'll want to look for debootstrap
11:04<minino>uuuuuh
11:04<minino>no idea, any link?
11:04<Gun_Smoke>No link atm, it's on debian.org under doc's
11:04<minino>ok thanx
11:06<minino>and just one question, to upgrade to sid would I just need to change sources list, and no more tricks?
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11:06<Gun_Smoke>minino, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en#ftn.id2777184
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11:07<Gun_Smoke>minino, actually it's http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en#id2777148
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11:08<minino>I have strrange problems with connection, those links dont open, but i will anotate, thanx Gun_Smoke
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11:09<Gun_Smoke>minino it's section 3.2 in the install manual.
11:09<minino>ok
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11:14<antgel>hi all. the nvidia-kernel-source package in lenny is too old to build with my 2.6.30 kernel from backports. so i'd like to install the latest nvidia drivers without just running their script and potentially overwriting apt-managed files.
11:14<antgel>anyone have a clue how i can build a .deb from the nvidia .run?
11:14<dr|z3d>!nvidia
11:14<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>.
11:15<flo>antgel: i don't use the repository
11:15<antgel>dr|z3d: did you read my actual question or was that a twitch? the wiki is about installing from the nvidia-kernel-source package
11:15<antgel>flo: tell me more
11:15<flo>i hav downloaded the driver from nvidia
11:16<flo>install gcc and make
11:16<flo>and run the file
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11:16<flo>it's easy
11:16<flo>i don't like the contrib repository :p
11:17<antgel>flo: but i'd rather have a .deb that i could manage via apt
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11:17<antgel>flo: does it install somewhere where it can be easily managed e.g. /opt?
11:18<flo>with this mind you can have the latest driver 190.**
11:18<flo>method
11:18<flo>scuse for my bad english :p
11:18<antgel>yes, that's what i want, i just don't want it trampling all over my system
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11:19<flo>you have this prob because in the backport the .deb is compiled for the last kernel
11:19<antgel>yes, i know that
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11:20<flo>in all case you must compiled the driver for your kernel
11:20<flo>or upgrade your kernel
11:20<antgel>i'll have a look at the nvidia-graphics-drivers source package and see how it works
11:20<antgel>flo: i know all that, that's the point of my question
11:21*abrotman waves at antgel
11:21<locklace><abrotman> nt pattern matches my left testicle
11:21<antgel>hmm, i wonder if i could try backporting the 185.18.36 from unstable
11:21<locklace>that earned you a beer
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11:21<abrotman>locklace: i'm sure there is context missing
11:21<antgel>i just need something that builds with 2.6.30 from backports, and lenny's 173.14 isn't it
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11:22<locklace>it just popped up on qotd
11:22<antgel>abrotman: HI MATE :D
11:22<flo>antgel: do as me download the driver from the nvidia page and compile without apt
11:22<flo>it's made in 5 min
11:22<flo>:D
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11:22<Gold24>flo: don't suggest things that's not supported in #debian
11:22<antgel>flo: did you see the bit ^^ where i pointed out that i'd prefer a .deb?
11:22<abrotman>locklace: yeah .. i'm in there a few times i think
11:23<antgel>otherwise i'm well aware that i can run their script
11:23<antgel>and let it trample away
11:23*antgel pukes
11:23<Gold24>antgel: you can make your own deb quite easily using module-assistant
11:24<Gold24>ah actually i see your problem
11:24<antgel>Gold24: yes, i want to make a nvidia-kernel-source .deb :)
11:24<antgel>i'll try to backport the version from unstable and see if it builds with this kernel
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11:26<Gold24>yeah
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11:28<Gold24>antgel: looks like someone already did: http://www.samanthahalfon.net/worldgoneweb/2008/debian-lenny-install-nvidia-drivers/
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11:32<antgel>and we backported the unstable version and we built a kernel module! \o/ thanks all for moral support even if i did sort it out myself :-P
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11:34<mastr0>hello
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11:35<mastr0>hello patrik
11:35<mastr0>hello
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11:36<_L30N4RD0_>Iaew galeeera =D
11:36<antgel>bye and have a good week all
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11:36<mastr0>hello is there anybody want to chat with me i m new to this
11:37<abrotman>mastr0: this is a support channel. Do you have a question about Debian?
11:37<mastr0>like wht u say
11:37<dr|z3d>mastr0: /join #debian-offtopic
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11:38<mastr0>wht it mean
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11:38<abrotman>mastr0: what is your native language?
11:38<locklace>!confuse mastr0
11:38<dpkg>Yes, who is their ferret yesterday, mastr0? Lederhosen of the People's Republic of Liechtenstein with extra crabpaste.
11:38<mastr0>well its hindi but i m comfortable with english
11:38<themill>krlmk: please don't add more junk to dpkg's database... the poor bot already has enough useless factoids that we're struggling to clean out.
11:39<mastr0>is there lt people out there with differnt background i thought
11:39<azeem>lt people?
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11:40<mastr0>i mean to say the persones and individual who r chatting
11:41<azeem>mastr0: this is not a chat room
11:41<azeem>it's a support channel
11:41<azeem>17:37 < dr|z3d> mastr0: /join #debian-offtopic
11:41<azeem>17:37 -!- You're now known as azeem
11:41<azeem>oops.
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11:41<mastr0>iok
11:41<mastr0>so hw it help me
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11:41<mastr0>an who u people are frm
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11:46<Gun_Smoke>krlmk, random PM's are not necessary. You will get much more help in the channel.
11:49<dr|z3d>!pm
11:49<dpkg>pm is probably private message, or post meridiem, or prime minister, or perl mongers, or pathetic moron: when you see someone say pm, they're asking if you think that they're a pathetic moron, or something you don't do without asking permission, or provocative {preventative} maintenance, or percussive maintenance, or ask me about <private>
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11:49<dr|z3d>!private
11:49<dpkg>NO, we will NOT help you in private! Ask your question in the channel so that others can help. Don't send private messages to people asking for help, either, or you will be /ignore'd.
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11:52<DeskJet200>1. FloodServ «services@services.oftc.net»
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11:55<stormE>Hello
11:55<toto426>hola a todos
11:56<toto426>hi to all
11:56<stormE>Buenas toto
11:56<toto426>hablas español
11:56<azeem>!es
11:56<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:07<chaos>hi
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12:07<chaos>i'm trying to enable cgi on my apache2 but it's far from straight forward :(
12:07<chaos>i've installed all the packages i could find which might be related
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12:08<chaos>i created a cgi-bin folder with 755 permission in /var/www and put a file in there called index.cgi but if i try to open the cgi-bin folder it says "permission denied" :(
12:09<stormE>you change the configuration on apache?
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12:09<stormE>by defaut, debian use as cgi-directory /usr/lib/cgi-bin
12:10<chaos>i dunno what i'm supposed to change in it .. the index.cgi is in the same line as index.html
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12:11<kenyon>chaos: look up scriptalias
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12:11<stormE>On the directory block, put a option :ExecCGI
12:11<stormE>example: Options ExecCGI -MultiViews +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch
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12:12<stormE>and add the path to scriptalias
12:12<stormE> ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/
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12:13<chaos>i have those all
12:13<chaos>by default
12:13<stormE>but,, for / & /var/www ?
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12:14<stormE>by default debian point this to /usr/lib/cgi-bin
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12:15<chaos>i have them in 4 files ... /etc/apache2/mods-availabe/mime.conf , /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/mime.conf , /et/apache2/sites-available/default, ...-ssl, and /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default & .../default-ssl
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12:17<stormE>try with this
12:17<stormE>wait
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12:18<stormE>http://paste.ubuntu.com/306795/
12:18<stormE>you must change it on the default & default-ssl file
12:19<stormE>on sites-available (sites-enalbe are just links)
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12:22<sun>anyone know how to get bash to complete any .tex file when i type vim file<tab>?
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12:24<azeem>sun: what if you want to edit another file type?
12:24<stormE>:)
12:26<sun>azeem what i mean is that if i type vim file<tab> and there's a file.tex in the directory, then that's what i want. if there's no file.tex there then it should just complete as it normally does. i spend a lot of time editing .tex files and im always hitting vim file<tab> and then it prints out all the auxiliary latex files and so i just end up always doing something like vim file.<tab>[look at a bunch of latex aux files and type in tex mysel
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12:27<PovAddict>sun: vitex() { vim $1.tex; } :)
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12:30<sun>povaddict thats actually much better thanks
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12:31<PovAddict>any suggestion for a music score editor?
12:31<PovAddict>I'm currently using vim + lilypond, but I want something more graphical :]
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12:32<abrotman>PovAddict: apt-cache search lilypond .. there are a few GUI frontends
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12:33<PovAddict>I used to use Noteworthy Composer (shareware) on Windoze
12:33<cahoot> IIRC JS Bach was an avid lilypond user
12:33<PovAddict>o_O
12:34<faheem>cahoot: and he used Debian too
12:34<PovAddict>hmph... rosegarden uses qt3
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12:36<dr|z3d>I'd have to say Sibelius, PovAddict.. any which way you can run it.. nothing else comes close.
12:36<PovAddict>I have KDE4, so installing rosegarden means installing 130MB of libraries
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12:37<steffan>Hey, dr|z3d
12:37<dr|z3d>Heya steffan!
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12:40<goodger>hello, I am having extreme difficulty getting 3d acceleration to work on my thinkpad x31 (with an ATI r100 chip); I have configured xorg.conf as in http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ATI_Mobility_Radeon_7000#Optimal_xorg.conf_settings and glxgears delivers 260fps but when I launch xbmc or adanaxis either Xorg or the entire system crashes (sometimes after half-drawing the UI or spewing some gibberish to the display)
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12:41<goodger>can anyone help me with this? o_o
12:42<azeem>goodger: which version of Debian?
12:42<goodger>azeem: squeeze
12:42<goodger>(i386)
12:42<azeem>and which X driver?
12:43<goodger>radeon, as on that page
12:43<PovAddict>glxgears is not a benchmark
12:43<azeem>goodger: glxinfo | grep direct confirms that DRI is active?
12:43<goodger>azeem: yes
12:43<PovAddict>can't you get 260fps with software rendering nowadays?
12:44<PovAddict>for that simple app
12:44<azeem>PovAddict: it's a x31
12:44<goodger>PovAddict: actually it's a fairly simple benchmark since it was running at about 40fps with software rendering
12:44<goodger>it's a 1.6GHz pentium M
12:44<azeem>goodger: get a x40 :)
12:45<goodger>I'll assume that's general advice as opposed to your solution to this problem
12:45<azeem>well, the x40 has an intel chip
12:45<azeem>anyway
12:45<abrotman>goodger: did you try with no xorg.conf at all ?
12:45<goodger>and I bought this specific model very recently
12:45<azeem>did you try commenting out some of those options?
12:45<PovAddict>I get 2300fps :)
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12:46<goodger>azeem: I have tried every possible combination and they all crash in a different way
12:46<goodger>abrotman: I did; it had DRI disabled
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12:52<goodger>:/
12:52<azeem>goodger: well, we can't help much with X crashs I'm afraid
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12:53<goodger>I see
12:54<goodger>so your solution is indeed to buy a different computer
12:54<abrotman>so without the xorg.conf, X loads but no DRI?
12:54<goodger>abrotman: that's correct. I expect it's using the vesa driver
12:54<azeem>did you check?
12:54<abrotman>should be easy to check in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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12:55<goodger>I didn't think it was relevant, but I will check now
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12:59<goodger>abrotman: it's using the ati driver
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13:00<abrotman>isn't that the non-3d accel one ?
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13:01<goodger>yes, it is. and DRI is working nonetheless (!?)
13:01<azeem>ati and radeon are the same AFAIK
13:01<azeem>radeonhd is the one for newer chipssets
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13:02<goodger>I shall try running xbmc now, then, and see whether it crashes again
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13:03<azeem>doesn't look good
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13:04<goodger>it did indeed crash
13:05<azeem>maybe try some other 3d app?
13:05<azeem>could be an app-specific issue
13:05<goodger>I shall try adanaxis
13:05<azeem>well
13:05<azeem>didn't you say that one crashed as well?
13:06<azeem>besides, neither xbmc nor adanaxis seenm to be in Debian
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13:07<goodger>same, except the patterns were prettier
13:08<PovAddict>patterns?
13:08<azeem>19:06 < azeem> besides, neither xbmc nor adanaxis seenm to be in Debian
13:08<PovAddict>ah the display corruption? :)
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13:08<goodger>adanaxis is in debian; I compiled xbmc myself
13:09<PovAddict>what desktop environment do you have?
13:09<goodger>GNOME
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13:21<Guest412>United States laws place restrictions on the export of certain defense
13:21<Guest412>articles, which, unfortunately, includes some types of cryptographic software.
13:21<Guest412>PGP and SSH, among others, fall into this category. ?
13:22<Guest412>whats meaning of this ?
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13:22<azeem>Guest412: it is obsolete
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13:22<goodger>PovAddict: I'm using GNOME
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13:23<Guest412>ok :P
13:23<Guest412>thanks .
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13:25<Guest412>anyone knows how to remove some packages from a livecd cloop archive ?
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13:26<Guest412>and may be placing new files .
13:26<PovAddict>you'd have to extract the cloop, do your stuff, and package it again
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13:26<Lillymon>Ugh, I'm still stuck without sound here. I've got ALSA 1.0.21, but the system reports it as ALSA 1.0.20, and the system acts as if it's ALSA 1.0.20 (i.e. doesn't detect my SB X-Fi). No one knows when this will be fixed (it's a bug, it's definitely a bug), no one's suggested a credible workaround, and my system is still broken.
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13:27<Guest412>PovAddict isnt there a some tricks to use some tolls like zip rar or gz utils ?
13:27<PovAddict>cloop uses its own format
13:28<PovAddict>get cloop-utils
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13:28<PovAddict>also, rar is proprietary, you won't see it used *anywhere* here
13:28<cahoot>Lillymon: cat /proc/asound/version - says 1.0.20?
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13:28<Guest412>what should i type on cloop-extract tool ?
13:28<PovAddict>I don't know how to use it; I just looked up the package name
13:29<Lillymon>cahoot: I just checked again. Yes.
13:29<Guest412>i compiled it from source but there is no docs in source archive .
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13:29<cahoot>Lillymon: why do you think you installed .21?
13:29<cahoot>(how did you do)
13:29<Guest412>does something matter for livecd images if i repack it ?
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13:30<Guest412>i mean will other tools like livecds work after replacing new ones ?
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13:31<Lillymon>cahoot: Because I'm on Squeeze, and Debian Packages lists the version of alsa-base on Squeeze at 1.0.21+dfsg-2/
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13:31<cahoot>Lillymon: but the kernel provdes .20 I'd guess
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13:31<Lillymon>Yep, that's the problem.
13:31<PovAddict>alsa-base has *configuration* files
13:32<cahoot>Lillymon: did you explicitly install alsa-base?
13:32<Lillymon>I established the problem several days ago, I'm in the 'seeking a solution' phase.
13:32<PovAddict>same thing in my machine
13:32<PovAddict>alsa-base 1.0.21+dfsg-2 installed but
13:32<PovAddict>$ cat /proc/asound/version
13:32<PovAddict>Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.20.
13:32<Lillymon>cahoot: I have now.
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13:33<cahoot>Lillymon: see if alsa force-reload gets you .21
13:34<PovAddict>no
13:34<Lillymon>I think one thing to note is that I never upgraded from 1.0.20, I installed this system from scratch from the latest testing install CD a little over a week ago.
13:34<Guest412>wellthere is another source package :P
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13:34<Guest412>anyway i thinki can find docs inside source :D
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13:35<Lillymon>I get the impression a kernel update would fix this, but I've no ETA on when a new kernel will actually hit the repositories. Tomorrow? December? 2010?
13:36<PovAddict>stupid router
13:36<PovAddict>it has QoS stuff in its web-based configuration
13:36<PovAddict>tries to make it look so simple
13:36<Erlkoenig>Hi, i'm trying to install gpe on a pda running debian etch. as explained on http://gpe.linuxtogo.org/download.phtml there are packages for gpe in the "unstable" feed. So i appended "unstable" to the first line in /etc/apt/sources.list (it's "deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main unstable" now), and ran "apt-get update" (getting some errors), and ran "apt-get install gpe", but it just reported errors, too: http://pastebin.com/d67fb6
13:37<PovAddict>it has a checkbox labeled "eliminate lag"
13:37<PovAddict>and that's mostly it
13:37<PovAddict>I'm not sure how the hell it will guess what traffic should get priority
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13:47<Silent_Decoder>Snores.
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13:52<s3a>does fsck only check for errors or also takes care of fragmentation of an ext3 filesystem?
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13:52<azeem>s3a: the former
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13:52<divin>ciao
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13:52<s3a>azeem, thanks
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13:59<goatkeeper>Can somebody get me started setting up sleep on my iBook 500mh 640Ram. I am an extreme newbie. I am in Lennie 5.3. Also, do the Apple keys need a kernel upgrade?
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14:22<LostPlanet>i have a computer on my local network with a static IP that all of the sudden can not seem to resolve any domain names. I can ping out to the internet to known IP's just fine, but it won't work if i try to ping something by name. I have network scripts that are failing because they can't find thier hosts. the only thing that i can think that changed recently was i upgraded it from etch to lenny.
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14:23<Erlkoenig>LostPlanet: try "dig google.com", this shows you verbosely what's going on during name resolving
14:24<LostPlanet>Erlkoenig: after typing in the command it hangs .
14:24<LostPlanet>i'll let it go for a bit
14:24<cahoot>check your resolv.conf
14:24<LostPlanet>connection timed out; no servers could be reached
14:24<Erlkoenig>yes, it needs some time
14:24<Erlkoenig>nothing more?
14:24<Erlkoenig>well, then, exactly, check your /etc/resolv.conf
14:24<LostPlanet>that's pretty much it
14:24<LostPlanet>blank
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14:24<LostPlanet>the /etc/resolv.conf is empty besidees comments at the top that say do not edit this file
14:25<Erlkoenig>okay, you have to write into it "nameserver 192.168.2.1" or something, the IP being the IP of your DNS-Server
14:25<LostPlanet>why would this have stopped working though ?
14:25<Erlkoenig>e.g. if you have a DSL Router, the IP of your Router
14:25<cahoot>!fixresolvconf
14:25<dpkg>To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>.
14:25<Erlkoenig>maybe the update emptied the file?
14:25<LostPlanet>yea..hence i should not put the change in the file because it may get removed later. thanks for that cahoot
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14:27<LostPlanet>thanks Erlkoenig
14:27<LostPlanet>trying now...
14:31<LostPlanet>okay. its working. i added my gateway (192.168.1.1) to the /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base file
14:31<LostPlanet>then did the resolvconf -u
14:31<locklace>!congratulate LostPlanet
14:31<dpkg>Nice one LostPlanet, you did it!
14:31<LostPlanet>thanks cahoot too.
14:32<LostPlanet>thanks locklace
14:32<LostPlanet>i'll leave now before i get warned about flooding
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15:09<rohan>how do i set the priority for a repo such that it's lowest? i.e. packages from it should be installed if and only if i explicitly do it manually
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15:10<sney>probably something similar to how you do a testing-unstable mix
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15:10<sney>I have sources.list entries for both testing and unstable, but it only installs from sid if I tell it to, everything else comes from testing
15:10<sney>!tum
15:10<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
15:11<sney>change as needed for your specific situation
15:11<themill>!pinning
15:11<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
15:11<rohan>i think it has something to do with pinning
15:11<rohan>thanks themill , sney :)
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15:14<locklace>!qotd0
15:14<dpkg><stuckey> Anyone here understand cmake? <Slurb> i know that its the c version of make
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15:19<obi>hello ;]
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15:23<mrzfz>Hi, anyone here that could help me / point me to the right direction. Been given a network and need to calculate the subnet (well, someone that can check I've done it right) ? :)
15:23<cahoot>ipcalc?
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15:24<mrzfz>217.25.34.0/28 = 217.25.34.1 - 217.25.34.14 is what I got
15:25<Erlkoenig>sure it's not 15 at the end?
15:26<mrzfz>Not entierly :) I'm not too hot this, just punched the bit before = into a calculator and got that calc
15:26<[machine]>erlkoenig: nope, .15 is the network broadcast address
15:26<[machine]>mrzfz: you're correct
15:26<Erlkoenig>[machine]: oh, forgot that
15:26<mrzfz>Cheers [machine] :)
15:27<[machine]>np
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15:28<obi>ups :D
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15:32<obi>can someone help where i can find a good tutorial building kernel debian way + iptables + iproute2 ?? ;]
15:34<locklace>just build it the normal way, then turn it into a .deb with kernel-package
15:34<obi>hmmm never do this way :D
15:35<obi>always traying debian .. ;]
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15:35<azeem>obi: doesn't the Debian kernel include iptables and iproute2 already?
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15:35<obi>azeem: yes but not patched .. ;/
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15:36<obi>imq/layer7 ... not in kernel or neigher in iptables ...
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15:37<obi>locklace: but what about iptables? ;) any tips?
15:38<locklace>get the source from kernel.org, apply your patch, run "make menuconfig" to configure it and "make all" to build it, then "aptitude install kernel-package" and read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz
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15:39<obi>OK;]
15:40<locklace>and fix your keyboard
15:40<obi>what is with my keyboard ??
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15:40<sney>maybe it's his fingers
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15:41<obi>sney: ha-ha-ha ;]
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16:05<s4br3>This is is 1st time I try to set up my oldish Sony Handycam in Debian. I installed kdenlive and hoped that would fix all needed codecs etc. But no. Does anyone know which is the best place. I've Googled around a bit but there is no comprehensive overview. And, I am not even sure if my video cam is supported. Thanks for any help
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16:19<computo21>hola
16:19<computo21>alho,a gannef
16:19<computo21>??
16:19<computo21>mmm
16:19<computo21>¿?
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16:21<s4br3>en ingles, por favor
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16:25<abrotman>he's gone
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16:25<s4br3>noted that, a bit late
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16:44<almond-tree>hi there anybody there is a UBUNTU user?
16:44<locklace>!ubuntu
16:44<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
16:44<dr|z3d>!ubuntu
16:44<Lillymon>I used to be, but why are you asking about Ubuntu here?
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16:45<almond-tree>well.. this is the only source I could find to solve an urgent problem I'm facing.
16:45<Lillymon>I do sympathize, #ubuntu can be unhelpful, though I doubt you'll get much help here.
16:46<almond-tree>I've updated to ubuntu 9.10 and this made my old kernel disappear.
16:46<abrotman>almond-tree: ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
16:46<abrotman>almond-tree: you're offtopic here, please go ask them
16:46<almond-tree>ok.. thanks
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16:46<Lillymon>Upgrading does have a habit of making old kernels go away, that's a part of upgrading.
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16:56<debe>sup
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17:08<locklace>!qotd0
17:08<dpkg>< guruman> is there some way to make ls list all entries starting with a digit, i mean like 'ls [0-9]*' or similar instead of doing 'ls 1* && ls 2* ...' < furrywolf> guruman: ls [0-9]* :P < guruman> furrywolf it says "[0-9]" is not a directory or file ... < guruman> furrywolf ls [a-z]* seems to work but not 0-9 ... strange < guruman> furrywolf lol .. ofc it works its just me that doesnt have any files beginning with 0-9 in
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17:14<abrotman>!flw
17:14<dpkg><graytron> markit: i don't make mistakes
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17:15<xisco>how can I set ubuntu to mount a hard disk everytime I start up the system ?
17:15<locklace>!ubuntu
17:15<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
17:16<Erlkoenig>//etc/fstab
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17:16<peej>why is "< /etc/passwd cat" the same as cat /etc/passwd?
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17:17<Gathond>because cat defaults to printing stdin?
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17:21<peej>I'm impressed that "cat < /etc/passwd" is the same as "< /etc/passwd cat" too. That version starting with "<" freaks me out.
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17:24<locklace>peej: i'm sure the authors of the shell parser will appreciate your admiration
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17:25<peej>There oughta be a law against making stuff do that. It offends me.
17:26<goodger>bleh, still no luck with Xorg
17:26<locklace>shell parser authors typically work in pairs, wear thick glasses and flannel and have a lot of hair, and rarely get the fame and recognition they deserve
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17:27<Malicia>locklace, :D
17:27<Malicia>correct image ;)
17:28<Malicia>good night *
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17:53<erisvaldo>oi
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17:53<erisvaldo>oi
17:53<locklace>!br
17:53<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:54<erisvaldo>qual eo do ubuntu em pt
17:54<locklace>http://ubuntard.com
17:54<abrotman>erisvaldo: ask #ubuntu-br on irc.freenode.net
17:54<abrotman>locklace: please don't
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18:02<locklace>!pie bja
18:02*dpkg hits bja in the face with a cream pie
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18:02<olasd>i'm hungry now :(
18:03<bja>locklace: Nice to see you too
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18:03<ikey>anyone know where i can fetch a debian testing iso? all the i396 images kinda went poof
18:03<ikey>*i386
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18:03<Ikarus>...
18:03*ikey throws keyboard at wall
18:03<Ikarus>ikey: that means the build is fialing
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18:04<Ikarus>the recommended way to install testing is to install stable first
18:04<Ikarus>unless testing is close to release
18:04<ikey>mk
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18:04<ikey>does unetbootin still have issues with debian ISOs? Or should I just do it manually? :)
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18:05<dr|z3d>unetbootin should be fine.
18:05<ikey>last time it threw a fit...
18:05<ikey>it was convinced it was still a cd..
18:06<dr|z3d>unetbootin creates a live environment. Everything is run off ram, no prefs are saved when you shutdown etc.
18:06<ikey>yeah im ok with that thats not what i meant lol
18:06<ikey>when i ran the installer from the usb drive the installer was convinced it should be on a cd drive and would not install
18:07<dr|z3d>How long ago was this?
18:07<ikey>ehm about 2 months ago? I guess
18:07<ikey>only with a lenny image
18:08<ikey>my idea of time is useless btw.
18:08<ikey>if i look at one more ubuntu desktop i think i'll take my own life.. ^^
18:09<ikey>or anything derived from it...
18:09<locklace>that's the only honourable way out
18:09<ikey>heh
18:10<ikey>decided i just want me a debian system with openbox and build a kernel and the likes, really annoyed with the last few distros i played with
18:10<dr|z3d>ikey: you'd probably prefer Xubuntu if you're just talking about the cosmetic Ubuntu brown theme.
18:10<ikey>nah i just really dont like ubuntu
18:10<ikey>nor am i an xfce fan
18:10<locklace>!beer ikey
18:10*dpkg pours a litre of Delirium Tremens for ikey
18:10<ikey>^^
18:10<ikey>thx
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18:11<ikey>this system at the moment started life as an ubuntu system, i then set about removing as much of ubuntu and gnome as i possibly could, installed openbox tint2 etc built a new kernel got me low resource use but still not happy
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18:13<ikey>at least with debian id have a pure base to work with, no mudded waters..
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18:13<ikey>awkward..
18:14<Erlkoenig>(no, i won't say anything related to gentoo)
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18:16<ikey>So like if I went for a debian base chances are I could keep the same ram usage (or better) right?
18:16<ikey>Info: Processes 101 Uptime 1:36 Memory 96.9/434.2MB Client Irssi 0.8.14 inxi 1.2.5
18:17<Erlkoenig>the same... compared to what?
18:17<ikey>well this was originally (dont kill me >_<) an ubuntu install till i modified it somewhat..
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18:17<ikey>but i know theres less cross-dependeny hiding-in-the-dark-crap going on in debian (i.e none)
18:18<ikey>god i need a spell checker..
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18:18<icwiener>Is there a separate channel for llvm in Debian?
18:18<Ikarus>nope
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18:19<icwiener>Ikarus: Hmm, ok.
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18:20<Ikarus>icwiener: what info do you need
18:20<icwiener>Does anyone here know then, what I have to install to get the llvm-gcc command? llvm-gcc-4.2 + llvm is installed but the command is not there.
18:20<ikey>taiwan gettin freaky with my ip address there... back in a bit, banning asia from my iptables ^^
18:22<ikey>icwiener: su -c 'apt-get install llvm-gcc-4.2' ? dunno.. bbiab
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18:23<icwiener>Ikarus: I just heard a podcast talking about llvm and was curious. Since clang is not there in Debian yet, I wanted to try the gcc frontend. Then I found this manpage http://llvm.org/cmds/llvmgcc.html and wondered why I didn't have that command.
18:23<icwiener>On Sid that is.
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18:24<Ikarus>icwiener: *shudder* llvm is highly experimental
18:24<allyourbass>hola crew
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18:24<icwiener>Ikarus: I know. As I said, I was just curious. :)
18:25<allyourbass>quick question about nfs, how do i map users to specific folders?
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18:26<allyourbass>like chroot?
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18:27<jrabbit>nfs mapping is confusing
18:27<allyourbass>yeah thats why im here :P
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18:30<icwiener>Ikarus: Seems to be a known problem though, given that there is someone reading the mailing list: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-llvm-team/2009-October/000434.html
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18:32<icwiener>Why do some Debian mailing lists have this "Report Spam" button and other don't?
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18:36<adb>icwiener, llvm-gcc -o hello hello.c < run it as root ? works on lenny
18:37<icwiener>adb: I guess the binaries got lost in 2.5 packaging. :(
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18:38<icwiener>http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/llvm-gcc-4.2/filelist vs. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/i386/llvm-gcc-4.2/filelist
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18:39<icwiener>Interestingly "/usr/lib/llvm/llvm/gcc-4.2/bin/llvm-gcc -o test test.c" works. :D
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18:51<defiant>when i type xhost i am getting some random IPs listed that i do not remember adding. have i been hacked? :)
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18:52<defiant>ok they are not so random, they are IP's associated with my ISP. still concerned though... any thoughts?
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19:00<PabloTeK>hi
19:00<PabloTeK>Anyone able to help me setup postfix on a virgin Debian 4 install?
19:00<abrotman>Debian 5 you mean ?
19:01<PabloTeK>Nope, 4.0
19:01<abrotman>why would you install etch instead of lenny?
19:01<PabloTeK>My VPS provider only lets us have 4.0
19:01*abrotman would get a new provider
19:01<abrotman>PabloTeK: what about configuring postfix don't you understand? The docs at postfix.org are pretty good
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19:02<PabloTeK>arbotman: I can't get postfix to receive email from external domains
19:03<abrotman>there's an item where you tell it what domains to receive for
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19:04<PabloTeK>abrotman: What's that?
19:04<abrotman>this is why i said the docs at postfix.org are pretty good
19:05<dr|z3d>IRC: Where no one can hear you scream. And where nothing need be said more than once.
19:05<abrotman>mydestination
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19:06<dr|z3d>PabloTeK: Take the hint. You've got a url to look at. Go read.
19:06<PabloTeK>all: Just fiddling with it now
19:08<FourtyTruth>hi, i'm compiling uriparser from the sources, and cpptest is one of the dependencies. I compiled cpptest, and the "libcpptest" files are in /usr/local/lib, but when i ./configure uriparser, it does not find cpptest. I think i have to set a variable, but i do not know how to do it
19:08<PabloTeK>Still not appering in mutt, although that may be a fault of that
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19:09<abrotman>check the logs ..not the mail client
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19:10<PabloTeK>No mail.log :S
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19:16<abrotman>in /var/log/ ?
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19:41<lonx101>hey guys, quick question. when I for example run 'unrar somemovie | mplayer -' is the whole output of unrar stored in some temporary file, or does unrar somehow only unrar at the speed mplayed needs it?
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19:42<JuNix>Hi, I am trying to download ISO i386 image of squeeze, but http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ is empty, where can I download this image :) ?
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19:43<JuNix>I find netinstall image but I need gnome in the installation :(
19:43<JuNix>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/
19:43<themill>!installer
19:43<dpkg>The Debian installer comes in many forms (CD1, netinst, business card, DVD), but the installer you use and the system you end up with is identical in each case. The only difference is when the packages are downloaded: if you grab the DVDs then you are downloading lots of packages that you might not need; if you download the netinst, then when you go to install packages using aptitude later on, they will be downloaded at that time.
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19:44<JuNix>dpkg : I need CDs :D
19:44<dpkg>JuNix: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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19:45<abrotman>JuNix: why do you need gnome in the installation?
19:46<bighornram>Can mpeg2video be reinstalled in squeeze?
19:46<abrotman>reinstalled ?
19:47<dbldtx>JuNiX; you can do netinstall which comes with gnome installed by default - and then from there get whatever you want - it's a "minimal" install before you add everything else you want on your system (via apt-get [CLI] or aptitude [GUI]) but it fits on only one CD, and it looks like you've got internet.
19:47<JuNix>dpkg: I need CDs images, in the computer where I install GNU Debian Linux have not INTERNET :(
19:47<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, JuNix
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19:47<dbldtx>Oh, understand.
19:48<bighornram>i find many links googling about the patent issue removing it from debian, though mine just stopped working with my recent upgrade to squeeze. Is ffmpeg the package it was removed from in squeeze?
19:48<JuNix>Only, gnome is not necesary, may be KDE, XFCE, :p
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19:49<bighornram>abrotman: is it correct that mpeg2video encoder is just disabled and can still be recompiled into ffmpeg? The links describing that are quite old
19:49<abrotman>bighornram: oh .. not sure .. you could use the stuff from DMM .. /msg dpkg dmm
19:50<JuNix>I need CDs, for example debian-squeeze-i386-CD-1.iso or debian-squeeze-i386-kde-CD-1.iso
19:50<abrotman>JuNix: you should use stable then, not testing
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19:50<bighornram>abrotman: thanks will check it out.
19:51<bighornram>abrotman: oh I actually have that listed as a repository and am still having that issue.
19:51<abrotman>but where is your ffmpeg from ?
19:51<JuNix>abrotman: ok thanks :D
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19:55<JuNix>but it´s rare that squeeze image are not available, only netinstall and businesscard :( , in this case is necessary have INTERNET :( to use squeeze
19:56<abrotman>USE STABLE
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19:59<JuNix>abrotman: kernel 2.6.26, problems with some drivers :( , for that I want to probe squeeze
20:00<abrotman>maybe you should try to fix those problems
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20:00<abrotman>or ask us how to get a newer kernel for stable
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20:01<JuNix>abrotman: ok :D
20:01<JuNix>abrotman: thank you very much
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20:06<aaaaaaaaaa>any perl programmar out there?
20:06<aaaaaaaaaa>hey guys, do you program in perl?
20:06<adb>aaaaaaaaaa, wrong channel ?
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20:07<aaaaaaaaaa>really
20:07<cwood>apt-get install perl and visit: http://learn.perl.org/
20:07<aaaaaaaaaa>i know
20:07<bzed>then /j #perl
20:07<aaaaaaaaaa>which is the best library to read and write xml in perl
20:07<bzed>ECHAN.
20:07<bzed>!slap aaaaaaaaaa
20:07*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across aaaaaaaaaa's face
20:08<aaaaaaaaaa>no programmers here i guess
20:08<aaaaaaaaaa>thanks for the slap dude
20:08<bzed>more than enough programmers
20:08<bzed>but thats not a debian specific question
20:08<aaaaaaaaaa>ok, so am i in the wrong place then
20:09<aaaaaaaaaa>what is this room abt?
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20:10<bighornram>abrotman: had apt preferences file misconfigured, wasn't getting ddm. Thanks
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20:53<twb>I have a server with three disks in an md RAID-5.
20:54<twb>I'm trying to get smartd to talk to them.
20:54<twb>They're SATA, so I added "-a -d sat" to the DEVICESCAN entry in smartd.conf, but it still won't see them:
20:54<twb>smartd[19760]: Device: /dev/sda, not ATA, no IDENTIFY DEVICE Structure
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20:55<twb>IIRC this is because this host has a RAID5-less hardware RAID controller (sigh, IBM), and to get md RAID5 the disks were configured as three one-disk RAID0 arrays in the hardware RAID controller.
20:56<twb>How can I 1) confirm that this is the case; and/or 2) trick smartd into doing its job?
20:58<jmarsden>twb: If the disks are behind a non-standard controller, smartd is unlikely to "see" them in a useful (to it) way. You can probably find a controller-specific utility that will show you the 3 RAID0 arrays and their health. Is the controller listed in http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins and if so, what utility does it suggest there?
20:59<twb>jmarsden: thanks, looking
21:00<twb>Hmm, will lshw tell me what the hw raid controller is?
21:00<twb>The box is in another state, and the monkeys on site won't be able to help.
21:00<jmarsden>Possibly, also lspci may help with that
21:01<twb>Good show: 04:00.0 RAID bus controller: Adaptec AAC-RAID (Rocket) (rev 02)
21:01<twb>aacraid Yes No* No* ? ?
21:01<twb>Looks like I'm out of luck. Oh well.
21:03<jmarsden>twb: Read the paragraph about aacraid, you may be able to find an aaccli or arcconf utility that will let you look at the controller at least.
21:03*twb grumbles about proprietary binary taint
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21:05<redmaw>when I connect more then one hdd lenny fails to boot and I have forgotten how to fix this. Anyone have any ideas?
21:05<twb>redmaw: do you get any kind of error?
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21:06<redmaw>it says a bunch of stuff, I could check
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21:07<twb>Adding a disk shouldn't break anything
21:07<twb>Therefore I need to know what the breakage is.
21:08<redmaw>all right, let me restart
21:08<redmaw>thanks for the help
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21:09<redmaw>had this problem before but fixed it some how, slight modification of the fstab iirc
21:10<redmaw>first error is "mount: mounting /deb/sda1 on /root failed: no such device"
21:10<kop>redmaw: deb not dev?
21:11<redmaw>dev sorry
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21:11<redmaw>actually I just remembered it might be trying to boot the wrong hdd
21:11<kop>redmaw: Your new disk has become sda, replacing the old disk which was sda. There are a number of ways to fix this.
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21:12<kop>!label
21:12<dpkg>Labels can be set on some filesystems, enabling referencing via LABEL=foo in <fstab>. To set: Ext{2,3,4}: e2label /dev/{s,h}dXX foo (16 char limit); XFS: xfs_admin -L foo /dev/{s,h}dXX (12 char limit); FAT{16,32}: dosfslabel /dev/{s,h}dXX foo (11 char limit); NTFS: ntfslabel /dev/{s,h}dXX foo (128 char limit); ReiserFS: reiserfstune -l foo /dev/{s,h}dXX (16 char limit). To mount: mount -L foo dir. See also <uuid>.
21:12<kop>!uuid
21:12<dpkg>[uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (libata transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire.
21:14<abrotman>kop: try using the tell feature
21:14<redmaw>if I want to change which hdd it boots from I just change the line in grub from (hd0,0) to (hd1,0) right?
21:15<kop>abrotman: Allrightie. (It seemed a bit dead here and I figured it wouldn't hurt....)
21:15<kop>redmaw: Yes. But that's just where the boot loader gets it's config from.
21:16<kop>redmaw: Your boot is getting past that or it wouldn't get an error from the kernel.
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21:17<redmaw>so what should I do then? I'm not very good with linux
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21:45<kop>redmaw: Put a label on each of your filesystems, tell /etc/fstab to use the label instead of the device name, and do a dpkg-reconfigure (I think that will do it) on your running kernel package to rebuild the whole boot setup to use the new disk label for the root fs.
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21:47<twb>$ ls /dev/disk ==> by-id by-path by-uuid
21:48<twb>Why don't I have a by-label?
21:48<twb>Is it just because I don't have any labelled disks?
21:48<twb>The host is apparently Debian 5.0.2, with a 2.6.26 kernel.
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22:06<redmaw>how do I create labels?
22:11<Merlin>What does dhclient eth0 do?
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22:13<twb>redmaw: with an option to mke2fs or similar.
22:13<twb>Merlin: it starts a DHCP client listening on the eth0 interface
22:13<redmaw>woohoo trial & error ftw lol. needed to change change /sda1 to /sdc1 :D
22:13<kop>redmaw: tune2fs
22:13<twb>Yeah, tune2fs is the way if it's already created
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22:14<redmaw>might create labels anyway to make my life easier
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22:14<twb>Ubuntu now uses labels instead of UUIDs in /etc/fstab by default, FWIW
22:14<kop>twb: I'd say udev won't make by-label without labels. Havn't tried it.
22:15<kop>twb: The nice thing about labels are that they're easily transferable between partitions.
22:15<kop>twb: (By a human.)
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22:16<twb>kop: the use case I have is that $idiot creates an NTFS filesystem from his windows machine, and then plugs it into my backup device, and I want the backup script to "recognize" the removable HDD.
22:16<twb>kop: $otheridiot was just doing mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1, sigh
22:17<twb>So assuming udev will create by-label (which is reasonable), all I need to find out is how to create NTFS labels on Windows.
22:17<cassetout><twb> Why don't I have a by-label? -> you can use /lib/udev/vol_id --label /dev/xxxx
22:17<kop>twb: "recognize" as in "distinguish from $fool's hd"?
22:18<redmaw>thanks for the help kop, twb
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22:19<kop>twb: Another approach is to use device serial numbers and do something with those in the udev rules, but vendors suck and some devices don't have these. Dunno about hds, they may....
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22:19<twb>kop: AIUI the worry is that they'll plug in a different removable HDD
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22:23<kop>twb: Maybe a udev symlink (if it's not already there) by manufactuer/serial number and then a query to the user if it does not already exist in some db you maintain would put the fewest requirements on the user.
22:24<twb>kop: they want to be able to go to the store and buy another external HDD, set it up from Windows, and then plug it into the headless backup host and have it Just Work.
22:24<twb>kop: so I can't hard-code a particular manufacturer :-/
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22:25<kop>twb: I'm proposing you use the maufacturer in they key to your db. (Presumeably you want to keep from confusing 2 drives.)
22:25<twb>kop: ah, but then there needs to be some way for the customer (i.e. an idiot) to tell the headless server to expect a new manufacturer.
22:26<kop>twb: Anytime anything new shows up you have udev (or whatever) pop up a dialog that says "What's this jack?" and go from there.
22:26<twb>kop: pop it up on a headless host? :-)
22:26<kop>twb: Use incron to isolate udev from your interface if you like.
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22:27<kop>twb: http://www.pertelian.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=43&Itemid=48 Although they do cost $50. They work with lcd4linux.
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22:30<kop>twb: Anyhow, even if you don't interact with the user you can use the manufacturer/serial# to keep a separate backup. Still, I'd think you'd need to be able to interact with the user because someday if you ever have to restore you'll need to associate hd with $idiot/$purpose.
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22:32<twb>The restore part is done by them plugging the removable HDD back into their windows box
22:32<twb>It's only backing up their /home's, see.
22:33<twb>And this hardware all sits in their office, so they know that the hardware is theirs
22:33<kop>twb: The pertelian device is lame in that it has no manufactuer/serial number so cannot be configured to auto-identify and just work in udev rules that can be part of the udev package. :-P
22:34<kop>twb: So, the backup device backups up only a single hd, and when presented with an empty one does a restore?
22:35<twb>Basically the backup device has a cron job that says "mount /dev/sda1 and make a snapshot of /home on it, if it's an NTFS filesystem with a magic filename in its root directory"
22:35<twb>Restores are done on the windows machine -- as far as the cron job is concerned, this is a WMRN backup
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22:51<Merlin>Is it possible to triple boot Vista, Debian and Ubuntu? You are only allowed 1 extended partition, right?
22:52<PovAddict>I think you can have more than one extended partition
22:52<PovAddict>I also think that's irrelevant to your problem
22:52<bird>holle can you help me ? when i boot-strap the kmix is muted . why ?
22:53<Merlin>When I installed Ubuntu I made swap, /, and /home in an extended partition. When I install Debian, I would again want to make a / and /home but use the same swap.
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22:55<abrotman>Merlin: yes, you can do that
22:55<PovAddict>nothing stopping you :)
22:55<PovAddict>you'll just have six partitions
22:56<PovAddict>and since the limit of primary partitions is 4, you'll have to use extended partitions
22:56<abrotman>maybe he has more than one HDD
22:56<Merlin>only 1
22:56<Merlin>HDD
22:56<Merlin>So you can have more than 1 extended partition?
22:57<PovAddict>you seem to only need one
22:57<Merlin>Use 1 extended partition for both Ubuntu and Debian?
22:57<PovAddict>hmm
22:57<PovAddict>what are you calling an 'extended partition'?
22:58<ehren>anyone know why debian is not recognizing the daylight savings time rollback as of this sunday (last night) at 2am. I'm in the toronto timezone... this is reported correctly in /etc/timezone ... have tried dpkg-reconfigure tzdata ... this seems to happen every time there's a switch over btw
22:58<PovAddict>as I understand it, the way it works is that there are four "slots" in a partition table, where you'd normally put four partitions
22:59<PovAddict>but in those slots you can also put a new partition table, in which you can put four other partitions (extended)
22:59<PovAddict>so if in the 4th slot you put an extended partition table instead of a primary partition, your limit is 7
23:00<Merlin>There is Vista OS, Vista recovery partition, Ubuntu (swap, / and /home) and I want to now add Debian. So just go through the partition editor. Create a root and /home (both logical) and just mount swap?
23:00<PovAddict>but *I think* nothing stops you from putting extended partitions in all four primary partitions slots
23:01<PovAddict>giving you the ability to put 16 partitions on the disk
23:04<Merlin>http://www.duxcw.com/yabbse/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=704
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23:05<Merlin>Quote: "Extended partitions allow for multiple "logical" drives. You can have up to 24 drives in your extended partition (26 letters of the alphabet but A and B are reserved for floppy drives). Although Win2000 will allow even more drives due to volume naming that does not require drive letters."
23:05<Merlin>Quote: "Extended partitions are NOT bootable. Therefore you cannot put an OS on it. If you want, you can format a drive to be ALL extended and thus have no operating system on it at all. This presumes that you have another HD that does have an OS on it!"
23:06<Merlin>However, when I installed Ubuntu I made both root and /home logical partitions. It works fine??
23:07<PovAddict>well that's because of the real meaning of 'bootable'
23:07<PovAddict>I think it just means your BIOS can boot from it
23:07<PovAddict>so maybe only the partition containing the bootloader (grub?) needs to be 'bootable', and grub can then happily boot Ubuntu from anywhere
23:08<Merlin>Dunno
23:09<Merlin>Windows says all the partitions are bootable. However this is understandable since it doesn't read ext3 partitons
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23:09<Merlin>being primary partitions sorry
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23:12<Merlin>So since there can be 24 logical partitions in an extended partition, essentially you can install 24 versions of Linux in an extended partition (and they are all bootable)?
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23:31<Medwar>hola...que tal saludos
23:31<PovAddict>!es
23:31<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:32<Medwar>soy nuevo
23:32<Medwar>en esto de Linux...
23:32<Medwar>pero me esta agradando mucho
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23:32<Medwar>pero hay algo de lo que no he encontrado respuesta
23:32<Medwar>y quisiera saber si alguien me puede apoyar en ese aspecto
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23:33<Medwar>es con respecto a la instalacion de un driver de una tarjeta nvidia
23:34<Merlin>No hablo espanol
23:35<PovAddict>this is an english channel
23:35<PovAddict>join #debian-es
23:35<Medwar>ok...
23:35<Medwar>do you know some channe where someone speak spanish??
23:36<Medwar>*channel
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23:36<PovAddict>#debian-es
23:36<PovAddict>(for the third time)
23:36<Medwar>ok...I'm sorry
23:36<Merlin>lol
23:36<Medwar>thank you
23:36<PovAddict>I speak spanish but I refuse to do it here out of principle :)
23:37<Medwar>I understand
23:37<Medwar>don't worry
23:37<Medwar>but anyway thank you
23:38<Medwar>see you!
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23:38<Merlin>cya
23:38<sri>hi, i use xchat, how can i join #i3??
23:38<PovAddict>/join #i3
23:39<sri>i am the only user there..is that correct?
23:39<PovAddict>that means that channel doesn't exist :)
23:40<kmap>sri: It might be on a different network, such as freenode
23:40<sri>no..the same n/w
23:41<gsimmons>sri: The channel for the i3 window manager is #i3 on irc.twice-irc.de.
23:41<sri>is this not irc.twice-irc.de?
23:42<PovAddict>this is irc.debian.org
23:42<PovAddict>or irc.oftc.net
23:42<sri>ok..
23:43<sri>what is oftc?
23:43<jrabbit>not twice-irc
23:43<jrabbit>:)
23:44<twb>!tell sri about OFTC
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