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---Logopened Mon Nov 02 00:00:30 2009
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00:10<edbian>I helped a friend install debian lenny using the 1st disc and when he booted his system synaptic package manager was missing!
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00:13<faheem>edbian: er, why doesn't he install it if he wants it?
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00:16<PovAddict>edbian: I installed debian squeeze and when I booted it I had no graphical environment!
00:17<PovAddict>(just as I wanted)
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00:19<Woet>How would I enable web access to a file in someones home directory which is chmodded to 700?
00:19<PovAddict>running a webserver under his account?
00:19<PovAddict>XD
00:19<Woet>hmm, might be a little bloated
00:19<Woet>running 80 webservers
00:20<PovAddict>I was 5% serious
00:20<Woet>and having 80 IP's since they all bind to port 80 :p
00:20<Woet>i thought of 2 ideas
00:20<Woet>either running a script that copies the file to a webdir
00:20<Woet>or having a PHP script that logs into FTP and outputs it
00:20<Woet>the copying means it has a delay, the FTP means it's slow
00:21<PovAddict>logs into the user's FTP? how would it do that?
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00:23<Woet>well, the users have FTP access
00:23<Woet>so it would be a PHP script logging into their FTP
00:23<Woet>downloading the file and outputting it
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00:30<Merlin>How do you send an email, say from hotmail or gmail, through a proxy?
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00:33<PovAddict>Woet: for that, the script would have to know their FTP password
00:33<Woet>hmm, yea
00:34<PovAddict>if it knows that, it might as well 'su -c "cat file"' with the password...
00:34<Woet>i think ftp will be my best bet
00:34<Woet>hmm, yea
00:34<PovAddict>why don't you use different permissions?
00:34<Woet>because that would be quite insecure :p
00:34<PovAddict>chmod 640, chgrp www-data?
00:34<PovAddict>how's that insecure?
00:34<Woet>hmm
00:35<Woet>that would also be a possibility
00:35<PovAddict>or chmod 640, file's group being the user's group, and the webserver belonging to the user's group
00:36<PovAddict>that is, -rw-r----- woet woet, and www-data user being part of the woet group
00:36<PovAddict>but maybe that's too involved :P
00:36<Woet>that sounds like a good idea
00:37<Woet>i'll think it over
00:37<Woet>thanks :p
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00:40<eald>Hi, I got a problem with sound in sid, when I upgraded the kernel to 2.6.30 I got no sound, the volume levels seems right in alsamixer and aumix, pc speakers does beeps, but I can't hear anything else
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00:49<simonrvn>is it muted in any way?
00:50<PovAddict>I had trouble with alsa making my pc speaker the first audio device
00:50<PovAddict>I thought my hard disk was dying
00:50<PovAddict>the clicks turned out to be the pc speaker trying and failing to play PCM
00:50<eald>simonrvn: it doesn't look muted, indeed it starts muted, I unmuted everything
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00:54<redmaw>when installing a printer with cups how do you know that network protocol to use?
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00:58<simonrvn>'k. what does your /proc/asound/cards say? showing your device?
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00:59<eald>yup, it is there, /proc/asound/devices seems right too
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01:04<eald>this is what I get in /proc/asound/ http://pastebin.com/d4e5836ac
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01:06<redmaw>how do I pick drivers for my printer if isn't listed?
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01:09<jm_>great question, even greater patience
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02:51<jmut>hi folks. I'd like to ask php package related question as it's specific to debian. what prerequisits I need so purging of sessions work cause I see /var/lib/php5/ grown to 2.7G and that sure isn't due to lots of sessions created......just they are not purged correctly
02:51<jmut>816376 files in there
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02:59<jmut>how can I figure out how often this cron is running /etc/cron.d/php5
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03:00<bdm>hi all, does anyone have a good recommendation for a firewall for ipv4/ipv6 on CLI-only debian lenny host
03:01<stockholm>bdm: ferm is nice
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03:01<bdm>k, lenny main?
03:01<leo>hi
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03:02<leo>i was wondering if anyone knows how to get past this error?: cannot find input file: src/Makefile.in when tryint to ./configure lxnm?
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03:03<dondelelcaro>jmut: look at the file, and it'll tell you.
03:03<dondelelcaro>jmut: things in /etc/cron.d are run just like they were entries in /etc/crontab
03:03<bdm>stockholm: thanks, having a look
03:05<leo>might it be that i'm trying to configure in the tmp directory?
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03:07<leo>also i have another question - how to uninstall networkmanager-gnome (i accidently installed it running lxde)
03:07<leo>using aptitude
03:08<bdm>aptitude remove <package>
03:08<leo>thanks!
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03:08<bdm>aptitude --help for better look
03:10<jmut>dondelelcaro: damn..stupid me. What about editing though. it won't show up in crontab -e so should I just edit the file and save?
03:10<jmut>dondelelcaro: wondering for later upgrade issues and stuff
03:12<leo>what's the file search command please? grep seems to be for searching within files
03:13<jm_>leo: find
03:13<leo>thanks!
03:13<leo>man this linux is so counterintuitive! <sarcasm>
03:14<twb>leo: locate(1) is a cached analogue of find.
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03:14<leo>cheers
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03:21<agus>hello
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03:21<agus>can anyone show me where I can get deb file after install using apt-get install via internet?
03:22<@Ganneff>var/cache/apt/archives
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03:23<agus>ok, thanks. btw when does that folder clean
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03:24<@Ganneff>apt-get (auto)clean
03:25<jmut>hi folks. This script /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime to determine maxlifetime that is used in garbage collection here /etc/cron.d/php5 seems quite wrong to me
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03:25<jmut>can I contact maintainer or do I write bug report or I should comment here first?
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03:29<agus>is there any tools to check file dependencies like dependency walker on windows?
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03:29<jm_>define file dependencies
03:31<agus>on window, for example exe file depend on some dll file by using dependency walker
03:31<jmarsden>agus: If you mean dynamic libraries, try ldd
03:31<jm_>indeed, man ldd
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03:33<jmarsden>jmut: If you understand it, write a clear bug report, and ideally include a patch that fixes the issue.
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03:35<jmut>jmarsden: seems I misread it as you've already guessed :) thanks though. will know for sometime I really feel right
03:35<agus>yes, it's my purpose. so is it enough to create deb file by knowing dependencies file using ldd
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03:37<jmarsden>agus: Use pbuilder to check build time dependencies when building packages. The Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends} will usually handle generating obvious dependencies for the binary package.
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03:41<agus>ok thanks so much
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03:46<leo>is there a default untarring application that comes with the 1st dvd?
03:47<jm_>!cd contents
03:47<dpkg>To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk.
03:47<jm_>I would be surprised if tar is not there
03:47<leo>thanks
03:49<Lantizia>Lo, you know this new ability to use apt to install i386 binaries on amd64? is that finished and what version of apt am I looking out for that has the ability!?
03:49<jm_>!multiarch
03:49<dpkg>i heard multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html, or http://wiki.debian.org/MultiarchFosdem
03:51<Lantizia>jm_, why would you want i386 on ia64? thought itanium didn't do x86
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03:52<Lantizia>your 2nd to last link doesn't work, the last link is nearly 4 years old
03:52<Lantizia>jm_, and finally the first link doesn't tell me anything
03:52<jm_>Lantizia: don't ask me, I didn't write that - plus wasn't there something as this was being planned but later removed from features list by Intel?
03:52<Lantizia>hate people who use bots
03:52<jm_>I hate morons who can't use google
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03:53<Lantizia>jm_, I did use it and found exactly the link you gave me
03:53<Lantizia>doesn't change the fact that I can find plenty saying its planned for Debian 6 but not the status of it and which versions of packages to look out for
03:53<leo>when i use make i get bash: make: command not found how do i use the right shell please?
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03:53<jm_>!b-e leo
03:53<dpkg>leo: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
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03:54<leo>thanks
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03:56<badaim>hi people
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03:56<Lantizia>jm_, hell theres more information here... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec
03:56<Lantizia>jm_, but thats ubuntu
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04:02<jm_>Lantizia: I was looking for more info on this a few months ago but found nothing more specific, but I haven't searched on mailing lists
04:03<Lantizia>jm_, well whatever versions of dpkg/apt/etc are needed for it... karmic has them
04:04<Lantizia>can use 32-bit repo's on 64-bit, install a wildly different arch on another like arm on i386, and even replace an i386 distro for a amd64 one gradually
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04:05<jm_>Lantizia: testing has apt 7.23 too, unstable has newer one
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04:11<leo>hello again! i need some help installing lxnm
04:11<leo>i configured it finally
04:11<leo>then tried make and then make install
04:12<leo>but a bit lost now
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04:15<leo>does anyone know how to open lxnm or lxpanel?
04:16<jm_>lxnm is packaged
04:16<jm_>why did you go and build it?
04:16<leo>i can't find any network managers
04:16<leo>trying to get wireless to work
04:17<leo>i just tried lxpanel but tells me there is already an instance . now to exit
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04:18<leo>when i try to run lxnm i get "failed to execute child process 'lxnm' (no such file or directory)"
04:18<jm_>lxnm has an init script, you should probably use that
04:19<leo>where can i do that?
04:19<leo>please
04:19<jm_>as root: invoke-rc.d lxnm start
04:20<leo>thanks
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04:21<leo>hmm got: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/lxnm not found
04:21<miguel000>does anyone know how i can convert and resize a videoclip to SWF format?
04:22<jm_>right, that would be because you didn't install a Debian package
04:23<leo>i am running Debian, tho
04:23<leo>which package do i need?
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04:26<leo>why does nothing happen when i run lxnm?
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04:27<jm_>package is called lxnm
04:27<leo>i did not select file server option in the setup - could that be it?
04:28<jm_>no, besides, one can easily install that later
04:29<leo>aptitude install isn't finding lxnm
04:29<leo>am i missing something? do i need to open a package manager somehow?
04:31<kenyon>aptitude is a package manager
04:31<leo>is lxnm what i should be installing?
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04:34<leo>how do i update my aptitude sources please?
04:34<leo>i just found out i think it's only looking on the dvd
04:35<jm_>!tell leo -about sources.list
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04:36<leo>ah thanks
04:38<leo>is there a difference between apt-get and aptitude regarding sources?
04:41<kenyon>leo: no
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04:48<leo>thanks kenyon
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04:49<leo>and jm_ got it updating now
04:49<strahler>hi there. I wanna compile my own debian kernel. I found very nice howtows (the debian way). The only thing is: I don't know which modules are relevant for me. And what to throw out of the "old" debian config. Can someone give me some tricks where to look which modules I need and which no? The kernel should run on a Dell studio 1555 Laptop
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04:50<jm_>strahler: lsmod will show you which you need
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04:51<Fabrice66>Bonjour
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04:53<strahler>jm_: ok. cheers. So I copy that out and double check it in make menuconfig? So, When I do this (big) work once , that saves me time for the other kernels I (hopefully) will compile?
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05:00<pharm>Incidentally, is there something stopping 2.6.31 from being built at the moment: the sources are in unstable, but no kernels yet...
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05:01<pharm>strahler: Somewhere I've got a little script that grovels through the kernel sources and works out which modules you need to compile into your kernel to get a custom kernel for your hardware.
05:01<jm_>strahler: in theory it does yes
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05:01<pharm>for i in `lsmod|awk '{print $1}'|sort|uniq| sed -s 's/_/[_-]/'` ; do echo -n "$i: " ; find . -name Makefile -print0 | xargs -0 egrep $i\\.o | perl -ne 'if (m/\((.*)\)/) {print $1."\n";}' ; done
05:01<pharm>(run at the top of the kernel sources you want to build)
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05:01<strahler>pharm: ah. cool. Thx a lot!
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05:02<pharm>It tells you which CONFIG options you need to change from M to Y to get everything compiled in. Give it a whirl...
05:03<strahler>jep. Why not. Cheers!
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05:04<pharm>The kernel build will still build everything else as modules unless you prune unnecessary hardware.
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05:09<smhar>greetings
05:09<strahler>pharm: Sorry, stupid question. So, I moved the skript in the source folder of the kernel I want to compile
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05:09<strahler>after ./skript
05:10<strahler>I got errors
05:10<smhar>today I am really in need. My debian notebook is not bootable. I think I borked both grub and the kernel. I need a way to get back running
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05:10<strahler>./script: column 2: sg: : command not found.
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05:17<Spixx>Anyone that know something about kerberos :D?
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05:18<strahler>ok. sorry. University is calling. Cu!
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05:18<locklace>!anyone
05:18<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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05:20<Spixx>Sigh, dpkg hates me. Well I have attached my kerberos to a ad but now the old ksu don't work anymore. I have the kadmin rights fixed what have I missed.
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05:23<ichdasich>hi guys
05:23<ichdasich>i'm loosing the network-connectivity on one(!) of my debianguests(lenny). (dmesg: http://sprunge.us/ILca) KVM is running with libvirt on a gentoo host (dmesg: http://sprunge.us/WSWH) with kernel 2.6.29 and kvm/kvm-kmod-88
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05:23<ichdasich>after an ifdown/ifup on the guest it works again.
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05:24<weasel>ichdasich: if you learn a solution, please do let me know!
05:24<weasel>ichdasich: I have seen that a couple of times.
05:24<weasel>raising min_free_kbytes seems to make it happen less often tho
05:25<ichdasich>ouch.
05:27<ichdasich>i wonder... the vm making that trubble is the most 'low load' vm on that host. (just 2-3 shelluser for irc/jabber)
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05:27<ichdasich>i usually would expect a bug to show up in a more 'highload' env.
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05:27<smhar>currently, when I boot, I get a gnu grub screen with a mini shell no menus ... nothing
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05:28<ichdasich>smhar: kernel (<tab>
05:29<ichdasich>smhar: to look, if groub finds a disk, and to start with defining a kernel
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05:32<smhar>ichdasich: this is the ls content of the /boot/grub : http://pastebin.ca/1652795
05:32<smhar>looks strange to me
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05:33<jm_>that was happening with some older version of grub 2
05:34<smhar>but it is being done with a fresh apt-get update before
05:36<jm_>that doesn't reinstall grub
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05:36<smhar>jm_: what does? specially now that I can not boot to it
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05:37<smhar>jm_: is it possible to somehow 'get into' installed debian and reinstall grub?
05:37<jm_>smhar: installing new grub package doesn't reinstall grub on disk
05:37<jm_>smhar: i think there are instructions for that in BTS for those old bugs
05:38<smhar>jm_: ohh.. then what does?
05:38<smhar>what is BTS?
05:38<jm_>smhar: you need to do it manually
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05:38<jm_>!tell smhar -about bts
05:38<smhar>jm_: ok.. but how?
05:39<jm_>smhar: man grub-install
05:39<Spixx>tried a live cd?
05:39<Spixx>and what above stated?
05:40<smhar>Spixx: the problem is that I only have a net access with a usb gps thing that is not supported out of the box form debian or even ubuntu. I managed to set it up to a working condition in debian before the grub issue.
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05:40<Spixx>:(
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05:41<Spixx>hmm
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05:41<Spixx>and you get like "error 21" and are stuck there :?
05:41<smhar>Spixx: I can boot using ubuntu 9.4 live and mount the debian root partition
05:42<smhar>I do not know how to chroot to it to solve the issue or it is even possible to solve it with a chroot
05:42<Spixx>then: grub root disknumber grub-install?
05:42<jm_>!fixmbr
05:42<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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05:42<Spixx>or what dpkg/jm said
05:42<jm_>do you see any errors from grub?
05:42<smhar>Spixx: I can also boot using a lenny dvd that has a rescue mode but it does not have an clear option of 'reinstall grub'
05:43<Spixx>use terminal on the live cd mount the device and write grub
05:43<Spixx>this should take you to the grub terminal
05:43<Spixx>there you write root(1,0) or 0,0 and then install
05:43<Spixx>or setup
05:43<Spixx>or what jm_ said
05:45<smhar>jm_: I idid a stupid thing when I tried the rescue mode of lenny. I got a shell of the installed root and I tried grub-install.... but it did not solve anything
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05:45<smhar>jm_: or grub-setup.. I do not remember
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05:46<smhar>jm_: Spixx: currently when I boot.. I get a screen with gnu grub, with a mini shell
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05:46<smhar>no error number
05:47<Spixx>then you are set to go? That means that you have the grub install possibility directly
05:47<Spixx>just write grub
05:47<Spixx>in the terminal?
05:47<Spixx>and then root(0,0) if on first drive
05:47<Spixx>whereis /boot/grub/stage
05:48<Spixx>whereis /boot/grub/stage1.5
05:48<Spixx>or follow the instructions from dpkg?
05:48<Spixx>w8
05:48<smhar>grub is in /boot/grub is in the same partition as / . it is /dev/sda8
05:48<Spixx>http://www.sorgonet.com/linux/grubrestore/
05:48<Spixx>Check that guide out
05:49<Spixx>!fixmbr
05:49<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
05:49<Spixx>that one is quite simple to follow
05:49<smhar>Spixx: this is every thing in /boot/grub: http://pastebin.ca/1652795
05:49<Spixx>wtf
05:50<smhar>I will try that.. thank you jm_ Spixx
05:50<Spixx>did your update fail?
05:51<Spixx>but smhar what you need to do is a grub-install
05:51<smhar>Spixx: I got disconnected when apt-get upgrade. but I booted ok.. then there was the new grub 2 menu asking me to issue this command -remove-grub-legacy or something, if booting with the new menu worked.. so I did.. but the next boot I had this problem
05:52<Spixx>ah
05:52<jm_>smhar: just try installing latest version and then reinstall grub
05:52<smhar>will do that.. thanks
05:52<Spixx>:D
05:53<smhar>since I am on a ubuntu live I can try it now.. hold on ..
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05:55<jm_>sure, you can do it in chroot
05:56<jm_>damn can't find that bug in BTS, too lazy to search more thorougly
05:56<Spixx>XD
05:56<jm_>it was about mounting with UUID IIRC
05:56<Spixx>to have a kerberized service does one need more the the krb5-kdc? or is it enough with that :D?
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05:57<Spixx>!kerberos
05:57<dpkg>from memory, kerberos is a cross-platform networked security and authentication system for accessing services. http://web.mit.edu/kerberos/www/ #kerberos on irc.freenode.net.
05:57<Spixx>!fixkerberosformebecauseimlazy
05:57<Spixx>damn
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06:02<smhar>jm_: Spixx: seems that it worked.. I got this: Installation finished. No error reported. This is the contents of the device map /boot/grub/device.map. Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect, fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'. (hd0) /dev/sda
06:02<Spixx>Seems right yes?
06:03<Spixx>wait for jm_ though :P
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06:04<smhar>Spixx: jm_: but I still do not see any menu.list or grub.conf. the output of /boot/grub seems the same
06:05<Spixx>hmmz
06:05<Spixx>a menu.list is nice to have :P otherwise you will run into trouble... :P
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06:06<smhar>Spixx: specially that I have a windows installed somewhere there too...
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06:06<Spixx>I'm sorry smhar need to do some work, try in #ubuntu to, I'm guessing they can help you!
06:07<smhar>Spixx: I can not access the internet from the chroot, can I change that?
06:08<Spixx>ifconfig output?
06:08<smhar>Spixx: never tried #ubuntu, but I expect something like.. hey this is not #debian
06:08<Spixx>;) nah
06:08<Spixx>don't think so at least.
06:09<smhar>Spixx: http://pastebin.ca/1652830 ifconfig
06:09<Spixx>But I don't feel that I'm advanced enough to help you. Try this at your own peril. Apt-get purge grub2 apt-get install grub2 then do the grub install
06:10<Spixx>Or try just the install
06:10<Spixx>bbl! :D
06:10<Spixx>foodz
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06:11<smhar>Spixx: you help me a lot so far. thank you
06:11<jm_>smhar: update-grub doesn't generate grub.conf?
06:11<Spixx>ahh there it was :P
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06:16<smhar>it generates grub.cfg: http://pastebin.ca/1652837
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06:17<smhar>jm_: Spixx: not to be edited and not a menu
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06:18<smhar>these are the commands with grub* in /boot/grub: grub-dumpbios grub-emu grub-mkconfig grub-mkelfimage grub-mkimage grub-probe grun grub-editenv grub-install grub-mkdevicemap grub-mkfont grub-mkrescue grub-setup
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06:21<jm_>smhar: which version of grub is this?
06:21<smhar>jm_ how to tell?
06:22<jm_>smhar: dpkg -s grub-pc
06:23<smhar>1.97~beta3-1
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06:25<jm_>are you using debian?
06:25<jm_>ahh that's from testing
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06:25<smhar>jm_ right now? no.. I am using ubuntu live but I have a squeeze installed
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06:26<jm_>smhar: there is update-grub command in it
06:27<smhar>jm_ there is update-grub AND update-grub2
06:27<jm_>smhar: same deal
06:27<smhar>k
06:27<smhar>using it
06:27<jm_>does it generate menu for you?
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06:28<smhar>jm_ no.. same grub.cfg
06:28<jm_>smhar: yeah sorry, I meant dos it generate that
06:28<smhar>Generating grub.cfg ...
06:29<jm_>what's in it?
06:29<smhar>jm_ all grub programs seem to generate this file, I posted the content before... let me see
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06:30<jm_>smhar: I see you have no kernel lines
06:31<smhar>http://pastebin.ca/1652837 grub.cfg
06:31<jm_>yup, found it
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06:32<smhar>I have the 2.6 -29-2 and squeeze installed the -30 also
06:32<jm_>I would debug /etc/grub.d/10_linux
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06:34<smhar>this the output of ls /boot/grub http://pastebin.ca/1652795
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06:35<jm_>that's ok, you need to find out why 10_linux doesn't add any kernel entries
06:35<smhar>/etc/grub.d/ has these entries: 00_header 05_debian_theme 10_linux 30_os-prober 40_custom README
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06:36<jm_>yup
06:36<smhar> /etc/grub.d/10_linux: http://pastebin.ca/1652849 I am going throuh it now
06:37<jm_>put "set -x" as 2nd line
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06:40<smhar>done.. and did update-grub. this time things are more verbose. here is the output: http://pastebin.ca/1652853 still no menu file
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06:42<jm_>grub.cfg is where menu entries are defind
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06:42<jm_>do you have separate /boot?
06:42<smhar>jm_: ooooooooooops
06:43<jm_>you need to mount it and mention it for grub-install
06:43<smhar>jm_ do I need to exit the chroot for that?
06:44<jm_>smhar: for what? you need to have /boot available in chroot
06:44<jm_>(your real /boot)
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06:45<smhar>jm_ I meant mount it and re enter the chroot
06:45<jm_>smhar: why not mount it in chroot?
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06:46<smhar>jm_ I do not know why :-) this is my first time using chroot
06:46<smhar>:-)
06:46<smhar>you should expect this from me :-)
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06:47<smhar>jm_ boot mounted. done
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06:47<jm_>smhar: now rerun it
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06:51<smhar>jm_ my menu is there.. here is the output of update-grub : http://pastebin.ca/1652863
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07:44<urbinek_work>hhttp://wklej.org/id/193147/ihttp://wklej.org/id/193147/
07:44<urbinek_work>hi*
07:44<urbinek_work>is there any problem with php5 package on lenny ?
07:45<urbinek_work>i can't find executable file... http://wklej.org/id/193147/
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07:48<Yoda`Taff>aptitude search php5
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07:49<yolanda>hai...............................
07:49<urbinek_work>http://wklej.org/id/193152/
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07:49<urbinek_work>i've installed php5
07:49<jm_>executable is in another package
07:50<jm_>aptfs bin/php
07:50<jm_>php5-cli: /usr/bin/php5
07:50<Spixx>apt-get install php5-bin or similar
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07:51<urbinek_work>root@haruko:/# find / -name *bin*php*
07:51<urbinek_work>root@haruko:/#
07:52<urbinek_work>k, missing package is php5-cli :3
07:53<jm_>!congratulate urbinek_work
07:53<dpkg>Yay urbinek_work, you did it!
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07:54<urbinek_work>hehe :)
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08:29<Spixx>no kerberos ninjas here? Need help with a problem
08:29<Spixx>I have the KDC = AD but the ksu don't seem to work at all when doing that. I've recreated the realm from an local db where ksu worked what more needs to be done :S?
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09:43<buffoon_work>hi there! If I try to eject my cdrom drive it gets pulled in again so I'm not able to put in a cd... fuser and lsof don't show up some processes that are accessing the drive... any suggestions?
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09:50<epifanio>hi all
09:51<epifanio>is there a virtualbox-ose-source maintainer?
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09:52<epifanio>i have module-assistant is broken
09:52<adb>!tell epifanio -about bts
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10:07<bighornram>after upgrading to squeeze from lenny I'm unable to encrypt a file via right click menu in gnome. My list of keys comes up but after selecting the key to encrypt to nothing happens. Any idea why this would be and how to fix?
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10:10<azeem>ls
10:10<azeem>oops
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10:18<etech3>?
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10:38<DTE>hi all
10:38<iseit>Como listar archivos ocultos?
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10:38<DTE>i'm having some problems with a ipsec vpn
10:39<DTE>sometime it just disconnect and i have to restart racoon to get it again
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10:39<DTE>have someone got this problem too?
10:39<iseit>how to list hidden files?
10:39<Gold24>iseit: ls -a
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10:42<pavelr>Hi all. I have done package for new upstream version of libapache2-mod-rpaf. How I can publish this work ?
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10:43<themill>pavelr: contact the debian maintainer for this -- apt-cache show libapache2-mod-rpaf | grep Maintainer
10:44<themill>!dbugs 468460
10:44<dpkg>#468460:W[libapache2-mod-rpaf] libapache2-mod-rpaf: New upstream release - 0.6 (); Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:21:02 UTC []
10:44<themill>pavelr: ^^ you might like to add details of this to the above bug.
10:45<pavelr>I have *.changes & *.dsc files. Send this files by email to maintainer ?
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10:45<themill>pavelr: you presumably had to make changes to the packaging to do update to the new version too
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10:46<pavelr>themill: yes, i have make changes and build new upstream version and using it now.
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10:47<bighornram>file encryption broke in squeeze?
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10:47<themill>pavelr: right, so just the changes and dsc files is not enough. In fact, they contain no information that is useful to the maintainer at all. Either an nmudiff or interdiff might be easiest. You could also upload your package to mentors.debian.net and put the link to the package in that bug report.
10:48<themill>pavelr: it looks like that package is a little unloved though which isn't a good thing... don't hold your breath for the maintainer picking up your work :(
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10:52<pavelr>themill: also I try to upload my package to anonymous-ftp-master... It is incorrect, and I must upload it to mentors ? What I need to write into bug report ?
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10:56<pavelr>themill: I am reading http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/maintainer-intro now. Will try upload package there.
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11:04<fanto666>Hello, is it possible to LVM config from partition after LVM was re-created? I have another duisk on which it was mirrorred, not overwritten
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11:08<mist_>hi
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11:09<zumbi>!hi
11:09<dpkg>hello, zumbi
11:10<fanto666>intelligent bot
11:10<fanto666>l(
11:10<fanto666>;-)
11:10<mist_>I have a graphics bug after changing the resolution. I am using squeeze with xorg from experimental.
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11:13<mist_>here is a screenshot of it: http://mist.name/~mist/2009-11-02-171229_3072x1200_scrot.png
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11:14<Maulkin>miodi: Yup, that looks broken
11:16<mist_>Maulkin: any idea how to fix it or who to tell about it?
11:17<Maulkin>mist_: I'd suggest filing a bug. Though bear in mind that experimental is onbly meant to be run alongside sid, so you may not get a fix.
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11:18<Maulkin>Use 'reportbug xserver-xorg-video-whateveryourdriveris'
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11:19<dizzyd>problem, i had ubuntu on a usb and it worked fine, saved and stuff. but then i put grub on the usb so i could multipass ubuntu dropped the save. how to i get it to save again?
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11:23<mist_>Maulkin: I am using xserver-xorg-video-radeon/squeeze because it is the latest version of it, so could that be the reason of the problem?
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11:24<Maulkin>mist_: you're not using the experimental version?
11:24<mist_>there is none
11:24<Maulkin>Well, it could be that, yes.
11:25<Maulkin>I'd have a look st the BTS, and report a bug
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11:25<Maulkin>mist_: you can also try #debian-x
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11:26<dizzyd>the only way i can use linux where i live is to have it on a usb. but i also need other programs so i use grub. i had ubuntu on my usb, then i put grub on it. ubuntu loads up and works but it soesnt save. casper file is in place. what did i do wrong?
11:26<mist_>Maulkin: ah, cool, thx
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11:27<dizzyd>oops doesn't
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11:28<dizzyd>when i reboot it goes back to default
11:28<Maulkin>dizzyd: you came to the wrong channel. Try #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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11:31<pavelr>themill: I have uploaded package to mentors. What to do further?
11:32<themill>pavelr: you'll get a URL for the dsc from the mentors website in a few minutes. You can stick that URL in the information that you want to attach to the bug report dpkg mentioned earlier. (You can either just email the bug number or use "reportbug" to add the information to the bug report)
11:32<fgh>were is the command mkisofs ?
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11:33<pavelr>yes, I have URL...
11:34<fgh>genisoimage
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11:34<cahoot>fgh: might be genisoimage now
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11:34<fgh>17:31 [debian] [msg(dpkg)] mkisofs
11:34<fgh>17:31 [dpkg(~dpkg@dpkg.bot.oftc.net)] i don't know
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11:36<cahoot>aptitude search genisoimage
11:37<fgh>yes, found it. just wanted to hilight that dpkg doesnt know about it
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11:49<PovAddict>!info mkisofs
11:49<dpkg>mkisofs: (Dummy transition package for genisoimage), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 9:1.1.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 0 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
11:50<PovAddict>!info genisofs
11:50<PovAddict>!info genisoimage
11:50<dpkg>genisoimage: (Creates ISO-9660 CD-ROM filesystem images), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 9:1.1.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 562 kB, Installed size: 1364 kB
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11:51<weasel>davyg: tell PovAddict about selftell
11:51<weasel>erm
11:51<weasel>dpkg: tell PovAddict about selftell
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11:52<PovAddict>I didn't use tell
11:53<PovAddict>I was showing fgh that dpkg *does* know about it, if you ask the correct way (with 'info')
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11:56<fgh>sry PovAddict
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12:00<x>Здрастеее, помогите пожаласта настроить принтер на ленни 5.0 ..... не получается никак(
12:01<PovAddict>!ru
12:01<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
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12:09<PovAddict>ahh the joy of debian testing
12:09*PovAddict happily installs 36 updates
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12:35<Bernd_amd64>hi
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12:37<Bernd_amd64>How can I setup a lokal only mailserver? So deamons can send lokal mail to users!
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12:51<rudi_s>Bernd_amd64: Install exim4 (for example) and configure it to only deliver local mails with dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config.
12:52<Bernd_amd64>ty
12:52<rudi_s>np
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12:55<screenn>rudi_s why the Exim4 is default debian mail server, should be postfix I think
12:55<themill>!why exim
12:55<dpkg>Exim was chosen as the default MTA a long time ago: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1997/06/msg00476.html, or see http://feayn.org/~lewis/exim.txt
12:56<screenn>oh, it happend a long time ago ...
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13:02<Bernd_amd64>sry for my question, but how can I get my mails with client ? and what is the mail address ? is it user@host.domain ?
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13:16<Bernd_amd64>nobody ?
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13:33<bighornram>When I try to encrypt a file with seahorse-tool i get the following error: ** (seahorse-tool:13320): CRITICAL **: prompt_recipients: assertion `GPG_IS_OK (gerr)' failed
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13:33<Titan8990>Bernd_amd64, are you talking about mail on the local machine?
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13:33<Titan8990>Bernd_amd64, you need an IMAP or POP server to get it an email client
13:33<PovAddict>huh
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13:34<Bernd_amd64>ok so what do I need ?
13:34<PovAddict>can't console email clients just read the local directory?
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13:34<Bernd_amd64>e.g. arpwatch alerts me via mail
13:36<Bernd_amd64>sry I'm realy new at this topic, but in the next future I will use some deamons wich reports status or alerts via mail
13:36<Bernd_amd64>so what I'm looking for is a local only mailserver
13:37<kop>Bernd_amd64: If you want something local you can use any email client that runs on the local box.
13:37<kop>Bernd_amd64: You'd need to adjust /etc/aliases to forward email to the right user (you).
13:37<kop>Bernd_amd64: (and run newaliases afterwords)
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13:46<bighornram>found bug reported for seahorse which is in squeeze...
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13:48<bighornram>Is it better to install a buggy package (that it appears to have been fixed in a later version) from unstable or to drop back to Lenny version?
13:48<bighornram>I'm running squeeze
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13:53<Bernd_amd64>is there an applet to notify user about exim localmail ?
13:53<sney>bighornram: squeeze has more in common with sid
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13:56<bighornram>sney: thanks, I think I will upgrade the package to sid then.
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14:08<Malicia>hi *
14:09<locklace>!beer Malicia
14:09*dpkg pours a litre of Spaten Pils for Malicia
14:09<Malicia>10x a lot /D
14:09<Malicia>:D*
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14:10<bighornram>So for the record... upgrading to unstable seahorse did not fix my file encryption problem. :(
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14:17<Txt_file>could it be that there are no weekly-builds availible for testing/i386??
14:17<sney>yes, it seems recent builds have been failing
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14:18<Txt_file>is there a way to get older ones?
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14:19<Titan8990>the testing and unstable installers are often broken
14:19<Titan8990>its usually recommend that if you must, install lenny then upgrade
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14:20<Txt_file>but install directly squeeze is less painful
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14:21<dli>Titan8990, after squeeze installer failed, I chose to install ubuntu. :( thought about lenny, dist-upgrade
14:21<portuguesemafia>whats new?
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14:23<Titan8990>dli, yeah... thats pretty fail
14:23<Malicia>:p
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14:24<Malicia>it's a pity, Karmic Koala is an official version now :)
14:24<Malicia>several weeks ago, it was beta :)
14:25<dli>Titan8990, also, it fails during tasksel. The installer should give me a bootable system, but it doesn't
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14:26<Titan8990>dli, grub is installed after tasksel
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14:29<dli>Titan8990, worse than that, the partition is not recognized, after I chose "abort installation"
14:30<dli>Titan8990, even without grub, I could easily install grub myself. so frustrated, I installed ubuntu, and fight to clean up ubuntu junks
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14:34<locklace>dli: that's absurd
14:34-!-Guest521 is now known as mentor
14:34<locklace>dli: the testing images are always broken, install stable and upgrade
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14:34<Malicia>why couldn't you install lenny?
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14:34<Malicia>ah locklace writes faster
14:34<Malicia>:)
14:35<locklace>!win locklace
14:35<dpkg>Congratulations, locklace! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
14:35<dli>locklace, yes, I thought about it before I did squeeze installer:(
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14:39<locklace>look on the bright side
14:39<locklace>now you have the satisfaction of erasing ubuntu
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14:42*dbldtx gives a resounding HURRAY
14:43<dli>locklace, let me see whether I could remove locale for Zimbabwe while still get en_US in ubuntu:( maybe, I have to reinstall lenny and do squeeze
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15:15<locklace>!qotd0
15:15<dpkg><oculus> i dont use irc i am on xchat what do i do?
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15:20<Chetic>anybody know how to compile Rigs of Rods in Lenny?
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15:32<zered>hi
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15:41<user4542523>hello
15:42<sney>!ask
15:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:43<user4542523>i'm trying to connect to a tightvnc server i have running on my pc
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15:44<user4542523>i'm using vncviewer to connect
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15:45<user4542523>and getting the error message: "vncviewer: ConnectToTcpAddr: connect: Connection refused"
15:45<user4542523>"Unable to connect to VNC server"
15:45<user4542523>s
15:45<user4542523>s
15:45<user4542523>s
15:45<user4542523>s
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15:45<user4542523>sorry about that
15:46<locklace>!connection refused
15:46<dpkg>When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things.
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15:47<user4542523>yeah. the server appears to be running fine. there are three ports open for it. the identify as vnc-http-1, vnc-1, and X11:1
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15:47<user4542523>5801, 5901, and 6001 respectively
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15:49<ayukkonen>hi all
15:49<ayukkonen>anyone can help me?
15:49<kop>!tell ayukkonen about ask
15:49<PovAddict>no
15:49<ayukkonen>Sorry but i dont speak a nice english, im spanish.
15:50<ayukkonen>i have already installed ubuntu 9.10
15:50<kop>!es
15:50<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:50<ayukkonen>64 bits version
15:50<ayukkonen>i need use xampp, and i have xampp but is 32bits version
15:50<kop>!tell ayukkonen about ubuntu
15:50<adama>ayukkonen: we cannot help you with ubuntu
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15:50<ayukkonen>i need xampp 64 bits, and i dont found it :S
15:51<locklace>wow. a triple fail in under a minute
15:51<locklace>!congratulate ayukkonen
15:51<dpkg>Good show ayukkonen, you did it!
15:51<ayukkonen>sorry
15:51<ayukkonen>im new in xchat and in this channel
15:51<PovAddict>new to IRC
15:51<ayukkonen>No, i use irc years ago
15:51<ayukkonen>but i use it to music :D
15:52<locklace>quadruple fail
15:52<adama>ayukkonen: you need to go to server irc.freenode.net and join #ubuntu
15:52<locklace>and extra points for chiming with the last qotd, against all odds
15:52<themill>ayukkonen: please go to #ubuntu or #ubuntu-es on irc.freenode.net
15:52<PovAddict>and ask your question instead of asking if someone can help you
15:52<ayukkonen>thanks
15:52<ayukkonen>:D
15:53<ayukkonen>how i can connect with irc hispano?
15:53<ayukkonen>./connect irc-hispano.org ??
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15:55<locklace>ayukkonen: /server irc.freenode.net
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15:55<ayukkonen>locklace, gracias
15:56<ayukkonen>ups
15:56<ayukkonen>sorry
15:56<ayukkonen>thanks :D
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15:56<PovAddict>-.-
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15:59<uzi>Test
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16:06<evoke>hey guys. i am new to debian but i got 1 question that always bothers me. when you download and install software from the internet. what is the best directory to keep it in to have it all organised
16:06<evoke>thanks
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16:07<evoke>that bit of linux always confused me
16:07<PovAddict>uhh what
16:07<PovAddict>are you downloading programs from websites by hand?
16:07<evoke>yes
16:07<Chetic>heh
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16:07<PovAddict>x_x
16:08<evoke><PovAddict>: downloading programs from websites
16:08<PovAddict>well "you don't"
16:08<PovAddict>name one of the programs you downloaded
16:08<evoke>i know
16:08<evoke>eclipse 3.4 cause debian lenny only has 3.2
16:09<PovAddict>I ~/local/eclipse/ for that
16:09<weasel>"stick to 3.2"
16:09<PovAddict>weasel: ugh :P
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16:09<evoke>3.2 is a bit old now
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16:09<weasel>so what
16:09<PovAddict>a bit..
16:10<evoke>so kep all my downloaded software in ~/local
16:10<evoke>thanks
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16:10<PovAddict>nice, debian squeeze has 3.4!
16:11<evoke>not sure if i should upgrade to that yet
16:11<evoke>just install lenny and completely converted over to linux from windows xp
16:12<PovAddict>I use testing because debian stable packages are too old for my preference :)
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16:12<PovAddict>but (I think/hope) I know enough to fix things when they break
16:13<Chetic>How come this binary can't find the file that is in the same directory as itself?
16:13<evoke>that is what i am worried about. not sure that i know enough to fix some thing if it breaks
16:13<evoke>Chetic : ./
16:13<PovAddict>Chetic: what binary, what kind of file?
16:13<Chetic>it's called rorconfig, from Rigs of Rods
16:14<Chetic>I run it as ./rorconfig
16:14<Chetic>and it can't find libOgreMain.so.1
16:14<Chetic>which is right there
16:14<PovAddict>libraries are *not* searched in the current directory
16:14<Chetic>a-HA
16:14<Chetic>:p
16:14<PovAddict>man ld.so
16:15<PovAddict>long story short, set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to the directory with the libs
16:18<Chetic>haha thanks
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16:39<overddose>!highfive
16:39<overddose>damnit.
16:39<overddose>hai guiz
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16:45<locklace>!lart overddose
16:45*dpkg strangles overddose with a doohicky mouse cord
16:45<overddose>:[
16:50<Xenguy>help! police! murder!
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17:29<Ouro>how do you proceed past warnings (on console 4) in the installer (etch) ?
17:29<Ouro>it says enter "Yes" or "No" but there is nowhere to enter this
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17:45<SQlvpapir>am I the only one thinking its a bit odd that openoffice puts stuff in /opt?
17:46<azeem>SQlvpapir: the Debian OOo package?
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17:47<dkr>all I have in /opt is WorldOfGooDemo. heh
17:47<Ouro>are the etch repositories still up?
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17:47<dkr>yes
17:47<PovAddict>my /opt is empty
17:47<PovAddict>and I have openoffice
17:47<Ouro>i am getting a warning about untrusted packages from mirrors.kernel.org, should i just try another mirror?
17:48<PovAddict>Ouro: maybe you aborted a package list updatet
17:48<PovAddict>try apt-get update
17:48<SQlvpapir>hmm maybe it wasent purged properly when debian official mirrors cought up
17:48<PovAddict>if that doesn't fix it, then yes try another mirror
17:48<Ouro>PovAddict: no, this is in the debian installer
17:48<PovAddict>oh :/
17:48<PovAddict>well I had that problem with another mirror earlier today
17:48<PovAddict>the Release file gave a signature error
17:48<Ouro>or maybe i should just go for lenny
17:49<PovAddict>worked fine a few minutes later
17:49<Ouro>hm
17:49<PovAddict>maybe I was catching the mirror half-synced or something :P
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17:49<Ouro>or something transferred partially
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17:53<Ouro>ok, different mirror failed the same way
17:53<PovAddict>etch?
17:53<Ouro>obviously there is something wrong between this version of the installer and the state of the repositories
17:53<Ouro>yea 4.0r6
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17:54<Ouro>i think i am going to do lenny instead
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17:57<macravin>running squeeze: hello, I cant run OpenOffice.org
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17:59<macravin>I've tried reinstalling it and uninstalling it, and building it from source...
17:59<Ouro>ah, apparently i dont have the public key for etch/updates
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18:00<Ouro>how do you add the key during the install?
18:02<macravin>I Cant run open office in squeeze, I can only use it as root
18:03<PovAddict>why did you even try as root?
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18:03<adama>Ouro: just ignore that warning
18:03<macravin>Because I wanted to see what worked... to make a more accurate bug report
18:03<Ouro>adama: i cant ignore it because it runs in a detached process
18:03<PovAddict>usually that causes more problems... OOo might create files as root and then it can't open them from your account
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18:04<macravin>I tried it as myself first though, I only used it as root because it didn't work
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18:04<PovAddict>is that open office from debian repositories?
18:05<macravin>It wont work with sudo either, only real root
18:05<macravin>yes it is
18:05<themill>Ouro: you need the etchr8 installer then, or tell it not to try to download from the repos during install
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18:05<macravin>squeeze repos though...
18:05<Ouro>themill: i see.. is the r8 netinst cd still up somewhere?
18:06<themill>!install etch
18:06<dpkg>Links to Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 ("Etch") installation images are provided at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ Note that Etch has been superseded by Lenny, ask me about <install lenny>. See also <errata etch> and <install guide>.
18:06<Ouro>ok thanks, i will figure something out
18:06<macravin>the load bar gets to the end and nothing happens
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18:07<themill>Ouro: of course, it makes much more sense to be installing lenny at this stage, not etch. Etch loses security support in 4 or 5 months.
18:07<Malicia>good night !
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18:07<mahogny>I have a fucked up partition here and I am unsure which file system it is (essential to do an fsck). it is either reiserfs or ext4. any idea how to check?
18:08<PovAddict>file -s /dev/whatever
18:08<macravin>sudo apt-get install gparted
18:08<macravin>and then run it, I forget how to do it in terminal
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18:09<PovAddict>macravin: that's like installing gimp just to know if a file is png or jpeg
18:10<mahogny>macravin, ok, the really fucked up part: it is claimed to be unallocated space
18:10<mahogny>so I have to be able to tell from just the FS contents
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18:10<macravin>but gimp is still useful, I think it's good to have a lot of tools
18:10<PovAddict>mahogny: file -s /dev/sdX
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18:11<mahogny>ooh. great tool
18:11<mahogny>thanks
18:11<macravin>PovAddict is right
18:11<Ouro>themill: i am jsut resurrecting an old demonstration system for a few days... it is somewhat more likely that it will work with etch, though really it just needs to run vmware
18:11<macravin>your welcome
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18:12<cassetout>hello,
18:13<mahogny>from this trashing I get the impression ext4 is not ready yet. anyone agree/disagree?
18:13<Ouro>i still run ext2 :)
18:13<macravin>never used it...
18:13<mahogny>I still wonder how the partition table got fucked :S
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18:13<mahogny>when you mkfs, doesn't it normally write into the table what it is?
18:14<mahogny>hm. maybe not
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18:14<macravin>I dont even know what features you could possibly get, is it faster
18:14<Xenguy>mahogny: I've come to trust the trailing edge; let the go-getters be guinea-pigs if they want
18:14<Ouro>the partition table just has DOS fs types, no?
18:14<cassetout>i'm diverting a file to make some changes in it. I want the file diverted to another directory too, so it isnt executed. what would be the options of the dpkg-divert command?
18:14<PovAddict>mahogny: there is only one partition type, something like like "linux filesystem"
18:14<Ouro>yep
18:14<PovAddict>mahogny: ext/reiser/etc is not stored in the partition table
18:15<Ouro>however, that info should be in the first (last?) block of that partition?
18:15<PovAddict>that's what 'file' looks at, probably :)
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18:15<macravin>true, they are partitions, but the table has them somewhere
18:15<mahogny>macravin, ubuntu uses it for supposedly faster boot. the benchmarks I have seen otherwise is on-par with ext3. some really nasty database performance issues in ext4
18:16<PovAddict>I moved from kubuntu to debian
18:16<PovAddict>and from my 160GB disk to my 1TB disk
18:16<themill>cassetout: man dpkg-divert has examples. Something like dpkg-divert --add --local --rename --divert /path/to/new/location /path/to/old/location
18:16<PovAddict>everything is now faster, probably because of the disk hardware :)
18:16<macravin>I moved from ubuntu
18:16<mahogny>debian vs ubuntu - choose your problems...
18:16<Ouro>PovAddict: is the disk actually faster?
18:17<PovAddict>most probably
18:17<mahogny>probably faster than the old 40mb disks :) have to make it faster with size
18:17<cassetout>i've must missed that info. thank you themill
18:17*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
18:17<themill>cassetout: no worries
18:17<macravin>the new version of ubuntu sucks, so uncustomizable, I hate new grub too
18:17<Xenguy>I've used both, and debian feels faster to me, but I have no actual benchmarks :-)
18:17<PovAddict>same RPM but more data per rotation => faster
18:18<mahogny>macravin, what is wrong with grub2?
18:18<macravin>It's harder to edit the menu.lst file is'nt there
18:18<Ouro>PovAddict: true
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18:19<mahogny>haven't edited that file since... ~2003?
18:19<Ouro>heh
18:19*Xenguy edited /boot/grub/menu.lst last week...
18:19<macravin>really, I hate how long the entries are, I canged it to just linux
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18:20<mahogny>I spend my time fiddling with more important things. I guess that is why I can stand the shrink-wrapped ubuntu :)
18:20<macravin>and on one computer I changed the default to windows I know i'm evil
18:20<mahogny>>:o
18:20<themill>mahogny, macravin: #debian-offtopic is waiting for you...
18:20<Xenguy>mahogny: more important than completing a migration from a dead box to a new one? ;-)
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18:21<macravin>Debian is the only os that worked on my broken old pc in my basement...
18:22<jrabbit>heh
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18:25<macravin>do you think that all 384 people are actually here, or just left their computers on.
18:26<PovAddict>well i'm "here" but not paying much attention
18:26<Ouro>where is here?
18:26<Xenguy>macravin: with broadband, I think a lot of people just leave IRC going, and check in when they are around
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18:27<PovAddict>but it's starting to get distracting
18:27<Xenguy>macravin: also, some (a lot of?) people are on multiple channels simultaneously, so yeah, where is here? :-)
18:27<PovAddict>so
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18:28<user234234>is there a suspend app that works with debian?
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18:28<azeem>suspend is a system servive, not an app
18:28<valdyn>user234234: install pm-utils, use them, read the docs
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18:29<computo16>sxdzsdfdfssdf
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18:30<Xenguy>azeem: nice - didn't know about pm-tools
18:30<macravin>wtf
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18:30<user234234>azeem: sorry. what do you mean by that?
18:30<computo16>wt hell :d
18:31<azeem>user234234: what I said
18:31<computo16>exit
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18:31<azeem>user234234: which one does not work?
18:31<Xenguy>run away
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18:32<macravin>spammer, unless thats a stupidly named utility
18:33<user234234>no. did you mean it's part of the OS or something that has to be supported by the hardware?
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18:35<valdyn>user_me: the suspend "app" as you call it doesnt do much at all
18:35<valdyn>user_me: suspending is a function done mostly by the kernel
18:35<macravin>the "app" should be peinstalled
18:35<macravin>*preinstalled
18:35<valdyn>user_me: which means that using a different "app" will not change much
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18:37<valdyn>user_me: pm-utils have and easy way to use common workarounds though in case your suspend does not work, so try and see and read the manpage
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18:38<macravin>pm-utils is already part of debian, I think...
18:39<valdyn>its Optional
18:39<macravin>some people with synaptic touch-pads can't use suspend, its like a 3 year old bug that no one ever bothers to solve
18:39<macravin>oh
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18:39<valdyn>but its installed with some tasks i guess so
18:39<valdyn>most users will probably have it anyway
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18:40<macravin>yah, I had it, and I don't remember installing it... mabie a dependency
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19:01<macravin>so in essence, everyone has quit and no one has really joined
19:02<macravin>aside from mjd, sry didn't notice you there
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19:06<macravin>debhelper is a bot... right, so what does he do
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19:07<macravin>that answers my question
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19:25<sergos>i have pulseaudio installed but my computer doesnt seem to be using it....in sound settings a have pulseaudios as he first one.....how can i force the system to use pulseaudio?
19:29<macravin>is pulseaudio an alternative to alsa?
19:29<PovAddict>I never understood any of that
19:29<PovAddict>since most of those systems can run as a backend of the others, I never understand at what level they actually sit
19:30<PovAddict>like, since pulseaudio can talk to alsa, I don't know if it's supposed to always sit on top of alsa/oss or if it's supposed to replace alsa and just happens to support being on top of it
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19:31<PovAddict>macravin, sergos: see this and let your brains blow up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pulseaudio-diagram.svg
19:31<macravin>understand or remember :) theres no way i'll ever even try to remember the levels
19:31<PovAddict>the only thing it seems to lack is the kitchen sink
19:32<PovAddict>"applications using ALSA will output sound to PulseAudio, which then uses ALSA itself to access the real sound card"
19:33<macravin>If you ignore3 all of the lines and boxes then it makes perfect sense !
19:34<macravin>Serriously, though I had no Idea that network came before hardware
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19:35<PovAddict>where do you see that?
19:35<macravin>it goes network then hardware then kernel
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19:36<PovAddict>well your network card (hardware) is connected to the network
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19:37<macravin>oh, it's not in any particular order :o
19:39<macravin>i get it, or at least the important things, i'll ignore all the sinks and the esound emulation protocol.
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19:40<macravin>have to go, it's dinner time on the east cost of the US.
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20:25<hrvoje>hello everyone. how can I connect to the internet with one computer throught the other wirelessly?
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20:32<macravin>click on the network notification icon and hit create network
20:33<macravin>then connect the other computer to said network
20:33<macravin>yay!!
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20:34<macravin>hrvoje: hit create new wireless network in the nm-applet in the notification pannel (the blue bars on the top right of your screen)
20:35<hrvoje>but don't i have to have some static IP for that?
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20:35<hrvoje>on one computer am using Kubuntu Kermic and on the other Debian Lenny (LXDE)
20:36<hrvoje>macravin: am not in GNOME
20:37<macravin>oh, sry, i use gnome, if you want to follow my instructions, you can go into terminal "konsole" and type nm-applet
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20:37<hrvoje>macravin: which i don't have :)
20:37<hrvoje>have only nm-tool
20:38<hrvoje>but on LXDE have wicd
20:38<macravin>oh, wait let me see what that does, in the mean time, open synaptic package manager and look up nm-mamager
20:39<macravin>sorry I dont know how to use nm-tool, I install nm-manager on all of my computers (sometimes I run kde too :-o)
20:40<hrvoje>on which computer? the one I have a connection via cable I have Kubuntu, and on the one I want to connect with this one (Kubuntu) i have Debian with LXDE
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20:40<hrvoje>brb
20:40<hrvoje>quit
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20:41<hrvoje>am here
20:41<macravin>on the one that you have cable connection to
20:41<hrvoje>don't have nm-manager in repo
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20:44<macravin>sudo apt-get install NetworkManager-gnome
20:45<hrvoje>but why would i want to have those gnome thing only coz of that.. i have my KDE network manager
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20:45<hrvoje>just tell what to do. create new network?
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20:45<hrvoje>ad-hoc?
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20:45<rrto>Can someone upload their OpenVPN update-resolv-conf script? I've misplaced mine. :(
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20:47<macravin>i'M sorry, but I don't know how to use knetworkmanager, I just use the gnome one whenever I use kde, the kde one doesn't find my network.
20:47<LostPlanet>so i keep getting this error from aptitude about GPG keys not being updated / valid
20:47<hrvoje>it's just network manager.. suppose i have the GNOME one.. what i need to do?
20:47<magyar>hi, anyone using egroupware?
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20:47<user23432>hello
20:48<magyar>i cant get icalsrv to work
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20:48<user23432>is there a way to pipe the contents of a file to 'kill' so that it kills the process of every number in the file?
20:48<macravin>@hrvoje click on the icon in the status bar, and click "Create New Wireless Network"
20:49<icebrain>user23432: cat FILE | while readline number; do kill $number; done
20:49<icebrain>user23432: I think it works ^^
20:49<LostPlanet>user23432: also something like cat FILE | xargs kill
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20:50<icebrain>LostPlanet: I dont think kill can process more than one pid
20:50<dondelelcaro>user23432: you probably are actually looking for pkill, though
20:50<dondelelcaro>that's why you use xargs -n 1 kill
20:50<user23432>never heard of it
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20:51<LostPlanet>icebrain: xargs will call kill multiple times with each item
20:51<LostPlanet>i think
20:51<hrvoje>** (nm-applet:13426): WARNING **: <WARN> request_name(): Could not acquire the NetworkManagerUserSettings service as it is already taken. Return: 3
20:51<icebrain>oh, I didn't know that
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20:51<icebrain>!tell magyar about doesnt work
20:51<hrvoje>macravin: so i need to shut down knetwork-manager?
20:52<magyar>icebrain: missing the whole directory structure
20:52<dondelelcaro>user23432: yes, that's why I pointed it out to you
20:52<dondelelcaro>LostPlanet: it will only if you use -n 1
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20:52<macravin>hrvoje: try killall knetwork-manager
20:53<LostPlanet>dondelelcaro: ok
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20:53<hrvoje>macravin: no process found
20:54<hrvoje>ok it was knetworkmanager
20:54<LostPlanet>anyone know about the problem with aptitude complaining about security keys ?
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20:54<icebrain>magyar: maybe http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=453528
20:54<hrvoje>macravin: ok am in.. Create new wireless network
20:54<macravin>ok, good
20:55<icebrain>magyar: try building from source?
20:55<magyar>icebrain: i read that, the source is missing from the tree, so is the version
20:55<macravin>hrvoje: create a name obviously
20:55<hrvoje>macravin: ok already. what now?
20:56<macravin>hrvoje: then if you want, choose wpa security
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20:56<macravin>for a passwd
20:56<hrvoje>macravin: already. what next ? :)
20:56<macravin>then hit ok
20:57<macravin>then connect to the network on ur other computer.
20:57<hrvoje>macravin: what network? can't see it
20:58<macravin>you created a network, so you should see it on the other computer
20:58<hrvoje>i don't see it :/
20:59<macravin>try making another one ? I guess...
20:59<macravin>without a passwd
20:59<hrvoje>and i don't have static IP..
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21:00<macravin>neither do i, and I did this once when my wifi broke
21:00<macravin>of course, it was all in gnome
21:01<macravin>and windows computers saw it too :)
21:01<hrvoje>macravin: still nothing, reconnected to cable but can't see it on the other comp
21:02<hrvoje>macravin: it says on this computer that it exists but can't see it on the other one
21:02<macravin>you shouldn't have to reconect, if you reconect it doesn't exist anymore
21:02<macravin>but it didn't exist in the first place, right
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21:03<hrvoje>but it's all wrong.. it's like i want to connect to that network, which don't exist so why am i doing that?
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21:04<hrvoje>i want that i have this computer as a source of a signal for the other one
21:04<PovAddict>does nginx support CGI?
21:04<hrvoje>and this one is connected through the cable
21:05<macravin>yup, thats what you are trying to accomplish
21:06<hrvoje>but that network i created has no signal at all..
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21:06<macravin>you have a wifi card in the computer that is running kde right?
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21:07<hrvoje>of course :)
21:07<hrvoje>am on Toshiba Sattelite laptop
21:07<macravin>PovAddict: now how is annyone supposed to know that off the top of their head.
21:07<PovAddict>I'm now amazed at the fact that it doesn't o_O
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21:08<PovAddict>I thought it was a bug that the package wasn't marked as providing httpd-cgi
21:08<macravin>k, good, don't want to skip any variables, no matter how obvious they are
21:08<hrvoje>roger that
21:09<hrvoje>you know, am not that newbie to linux nor computers at all, just never done that thing so need help :)
21:09<macravin>PovAddict: if only i knew what nginx was...
21:09<macravin>ok, good
21:09<PovAddict>macravin: it's a webserver, it has more market share than lighttpd
21:11<macravin>PovAddict: amazing, i know about lighthttpd, and appache (obviously) but never heard of nginx
21:11<macravin>and i've heard of purehttp
21:11<PovAddict>macravin: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2009/10/overallc.png
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21:12<hrvoje>it seems to me that what I created is like some pre-set network which just wait for signal, not as something that shoud TRANSMIT it :p
21:12<macravin>still at the way bottom of the chart though
21:14<macravin>yah, perhaps, but I think that you should be able to connect without the sharing
21:14<hrvoje>obviously not.
21:14<macravin>PovAddict: but appache beats microsoft which I am happy about
21:15<PovAddict>\o/
21:15<PovAddict>qq.com is a curious item in the list
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21:15<hrvoje>because it obviously did'n say to my computer : hey you're connected to the internet, so now transmit that signal wirelessly through that new created network
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21:16<hrvoje>should i put it "infrastructure" instead of "ad-hoc"?
21:17<macravin>?
21:17<macravin>u mean in a bug report
21:17<macravin>what category?
21:17<hrvoje>macravin: that was for me?
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21:18<macravin>hrvoje: yes
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21:19<hrvoje>macravin: what bug, what category? in Edit Connections with that nm-applet (right click on the icon) there is a Method "infrastructure" or "ad-hoc"
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21:19<hrvoje>macravin: and BSSID and MAC address
21:19<hrvoje>and MTU
21:20<macravin>I dont have that...
21:21<macravin>oh, yah I see
21:22<macravin>you don't have to add it that way, just click normally
21:22<macravin>no right clicking, it's the last option on the list
21:22<macravin>create new wireless network...
21:23<hrvoje>ok i did that way at the beginning
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21:38<hrvoje>macravin: are you still here? it works! my room-mate just connected with his mac on my network. it seems sth's wrong with my Debian LXDE or wicd
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21:42<hrvoje>macravin: hey. you there?
21:43<hrvoje>macravin: it seems to work, my room-mate just connected to my network with his Mac, so it's sth wrong with my Debian.. need to check it.
21:43<macravin>ok
21:43<hrvoje>thank you so much!
21:44<macravin>yah, I switched to ad-hoc and messed up my internet, had to resart
21:44<hrvoje>yea it works, i just turn off and on my card and it works now :)
21:44<macravin>your welcome, glad I could help.
21:44<macravin>:)
21:45<hrvoje>just tell me, is there a way to share files between those two computers?
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21:45<hrvoje>via wireless..
21:45<macravin>sudo apt-get install samba
21:45<macravin>or sudo apt-get install netatalk
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21:46<hrvoje>but isnt's samba for Linux-Doze share?
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21:46<macravin>netatalk is apple compatable,samba is windows
21:46<macravin>linux-doze...?
21:46<hrvoje>and i need Linux-Linux connection
21:46<hrvoje>Doze like Windows
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21:47<macravin>samba is windows file and printer sharing but ported to mac
21:48<macravin>netatalk works better to be honest, like everything based off of apple
21:48<hrvoje>and there is no easy way like via IP like it's possible in Windows?
21:48<Hideo>erm...
21:49<macravin>when you fist install linux, there is a preference called shared folders
21:49<macravin>I just never got it working, I wouldn't call native linux sharing easier really
21:50<hrvoje>and what about NFS?
21:51<abrotman>samba is easy to use
21:51<macravin>i don't know, but you can remotely log into computers and stuff, and samba is easy to use
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21:52<hrvoje>ok thanks, i'll try sth.. need to go now.. and thanks once again!
21:52<abrotman>hrvoje: what are you tryin gto do?
21:52<abrotman>share files in what way?
21:52<macravin>you are very welcome
21:52<abrotman>all the time? or just a one time deal ?
21:53<hrvoje>abrotman: share files between two computers with Linux
21:53<hrvoje>all the time
21:53<abrotman>nfs/samba/shfs
21:53<hrvoje>ok i'll read about it, now need to go.. take care, bye !
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21:53<macravin>bye
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22:25<jon_>Hey guys, I've added a bookmark to my Places menu in Gnome 2.2.8, and I want to edit it's details because i messed up the folder
22:26<jon_>I found this page http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-list/2008-April/msg00016.html
22:26<abrotman>in which version ?
22:26<jon_>gnome 2.2.8
22:26<jon_>and im running testing
22:27<jon_>that page says that they are stored as bookmarks in ~/.gtk-bookmarks
22:27<jon_>but i dont have a folder called that in my home folder
22:28<jon_>Does anybody know how to edit or remove the bookmarks under the Places folder?
22:29<abrotman>you mean 2.28 i hope
22:29<jon_>yes, sorry abrotman
22:29<jon_>and it's a fresh install. I just put it on this morning
22:29<abrotman>just making sure :)
22:29<alephnull>Is there a top-level package I could install to pull in the X libs ? I need enough to run a Java-based installer.
22:29<jon_>trying to mount a remote ftp drive so that i can work on the files locally. if there's a better way, let me know
22:30<abrotman>jon_: Applications->System Tools->File Browser ... Bookmarks->Edit Bookmarks
22:30<abrotman>like that ?
22:30<abrotman>alephnull: 'xorg'
22:31<jon_>abrotman: that's perfect. if only you could get there from the desktop... thanks for your help
22:31<abrotman>jon_: wait .. did it help or not ?
22:32<abrotman>jon_: on mine .. if i open the "foo home" .. under the Places menu, there is an edit bookmarks
22:32<jon_>abrotman: that worked for me. I could remove the crappy ones and just remake them
22:32<abrotman>okay
22:32<alephnull>Thanks, abrotman.
22:32<jon_>abrotman: on mine, from the desktop, under the Places menu, the bookmarks just appear, and there's no option to remove or edit them. but I can get at it from the file manager, which is fine
22:33<abrotman>jon_: file a mean/nasty bug!
22:33<abrotman>jon_: yeah .. i only found it by poking around
22:35<jon_>abrotman: is it actually kosher to file a mean bug like that?
22:35<jon_>abrotman: i mean, I didn't write it lol. I suppose as long as I'm civil about it
22:35<jon_>i guess that's what makes linux great
22:35<abrotman>i was kidding .. you could file a bug to possibly include the "Edit Bookmarks" option on that Place menu from the main bar
22:35<jon_>that would be nice
22:35<abrotman>like a feature request bug
22:35<jon_>good call, i'll do that
22:35<jon_>hey, i have another for you if you have a minute
22:36<abrotman>sure
22:36<jon_>this morning during my install, i did something to postgre that messed it up
22:37<jon_>now whenever i change my system through aptitude or synaptic, i get an error that there's a problem with the postgre configuration, even though it isn't installed
22:37<jon_>http://thelinuxexperiment.com/guinea-pigs/jon-f/back-at-square-1/
22:37<jon_>the first post there, in the first quote box is the message that i get
22:37<jon_>after my install, I removed postgre, because I don't use it, and it added about 10 seconds to my boot time
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22:37<jon_>since then, i've been getting this message
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22:38<abrotman>so it's not actually removed ?
22:38<abrotman>can you put the full error in paste.debian.net ?
22:39<jon_>I can
22:39<jon_>give me a moment
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22:42<jon_>abrotman: here is the full error message http://paste.debian.net/50546/
22:42<jon_>now, I have postgre and all related packages installed
22:42<jon_>but for some reason, whenever I do anything in either aptitude or synaptic, after the operation is finished, I get that error message
22:42<jon_>as if postgre is improperly configured
22:42<abrotman>jon_: and you want them removed ?
22:43<jon_>ideally yes, but i would settle for getting rid of the error message
22:43<jon_>ive tried to uninstall them already
22:43<jon_>and the message still shows up
22:43<abrotman>and if you aptitude remove postgresql ?
22:43<jon_>so i reinstalled them
22:44<jon_>let me try that - ive previously done it only through synaptic
22:44<abrotman>you could put an 'exit 0' after the shebang in the /var/lib/dpkg/info/postgresql-8.4.postinst
22:46<jon_>abrotman: I tried to uninstall postgresql in aptitude, and got the following terminal output: http://paste.debian.net/50547/
22:46<jon_>apparently, the packages are currently only partially installed
22:46<abrotman>see my comment above
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22:47<jon_>and that will just disable it?
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22:47<abrotman>pretty much
22:50<jon_>thanks abrotman
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23:32<TheCheeze>can anyone help me figure out this error? i get it on every package i try to install/update/reinstall http://pastebin.com/d5634127e
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23:55<faheem>TheCheeze: file corruption issue
23:56<TheCheeze>faheem, it does it for every file though
23:56<faheem>TheCheeze: yes, it would
23:56<faheem>sec
23:57<faheem>TheCheeze: look inside /var/lib/dpkg/info
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23:57<faheem>do the files corresponding to libpcap0.8 look at all abnormal?
23:58<TheCheeze>i assume so, it all looks like text
23:59<faheem>TheCheeze: rename all the files corresponding to that pacakage to *.orig
23:59<faheem>Then remove and reinstall that package if possible
23:59<faheem>if removal is not possible then do
23:59<faheem>apt-get install libpcap0.8 --reinstall
23:59<TheCheeze>but it does it with every package... including the updates in the update manager
23:59<faheem>TheCheeze: yes, i know
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