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---Logopened Wed Nov 11 00:00:02 2009
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00:14<leo>hi
00:14<leo>really desperately trying to get xmonad to work under lenny stable
00:15<leo>i'm supposed to "put your configuration in ~/.xmonad/xmonad.hs"
00:15<vimpulse>leo: hi. Please state the rest of your question on one long long line, and end with a question mark. :)
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00:16<leo>i know i'm using gnome 2, trying to get xmonad 0.7 - what should i put as my configuration?
00:17<leo>sorry to split it up again, but the wikis on xmonad all refer to gnomeConfig and i don't appear to have this
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00:19<leo>i just need the right xmonad.hs file for my setup
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00:28<faheem>leo: there isn't a xmonad channel?
00:29<faheem>there is a #awesome channel, for example
00:29<leo>yes thanks i'm asking in there now
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00:48<leo_>are there any other package resources available other than debian.org?
00:48<leo_>i'm getting refused connection
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00:48<adb>!mirrors
00:48<dpkg>well, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>.
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00:49<leo_>thanks adb!
00:49<adb>np
00:50<mr_queue>What would be the best way to have say 10 lines from top/htop, tail -f /v/l/messages, and maybe tail -f foo all running in the same screen?
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00:56<ajay>in testing ,unstable gspca-source package is not avaialable because of this driver is now inbuild in kernel.but i have old camorama package which is not working with latest kernel .it is thrwing error as unable to capture image
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00:57<adb>use old (lenny) gspca-source and rebuild against you new kernel , just a guess
01:00<adb>!hi
01:00<dpkg>hello, adb
01:00<Xenguy>mr_queue: not sure; 'multitail' will tail multiple files; screen can be used to split-screen
01:01<ajay>adb,old gspca-source throws error while build as /usr/src/modules/gspca/utils/spcausb.h:95: error: implicit declaration of function ‘info’
01:02<adb>dunno then ..
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01:04<mr_queue>Xenguy: I've got screen to split, however when I ^C <tab> to the next spilt I don't get a prompt. What am I missing?
01:04<Xenguy>mr_queue: I'm actually not that familiar with that function ;-)
01:05<Xenguy>mr_queue: I just knew it existed
01:05<mr_queue>lol..
01:05<mr_queue>I'm looking at the man page now, it mentions jumping between screens, and windows, but that fails to move between splits.
01:06<Xenguy>!screen
01:06<dpkg>screen is probably a terminal multiplexor, allowing you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, scroll back, copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or are disconnected. "aptitude install screen". See /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian and also ask me about <screen tutorial>. http://www.gnu.org/software/screen #screen on irc.freenode.net.
01:07<jm_>try reading the info pages instead -- info screen
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01:11<Xenguy>mr_queue: Ctrl-a TAB <-- is supposed to switch between split screens
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01:11<Xenguy>http://www.neophob.com/serendipity/index.php?/archives/112-GNU-Screen-cheat-sheet.html
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01:12<mr_queue>Xenguy: Yes that is correct, and it is moving to them as expected. However, I do not have a shell prompt and none but the initial accept commands.
01:13<vimpulse>mr_queue: or try one of screen's competition -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnu_screen#Other_terminal_multiplexers -- but I don't know if they can split into four quadrants. I've only ever used tmux. It's very similar to GNU Screen. Sorry, reboot time.
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01:14<Hideo>mr_queue: when you switch to the next split, do ^C-a-n
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01:14<mr_queue>Got it. After, ^C <tab> ,...
01:14<mr_queue>Hideo: thanks
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01:16<megamanx1978>Hi ppl
01:16<jm_>or C-a <number> to get it to show given window
01:16<vimpulse>mr_queue: hi, i'm back
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01:17<megamanx1978>I was wondering what are the pros and cons between debian and ubuntu?
01:18<Xenguy>mr_queue: that URL/cheatsheet also contained the correct instruction ;-)
01:18<Xenguy>megamanx1978: /b
01:18<Xenguy>megamanx1978: sorry
01:19<megamanx1978>Huh?
01:19<adb>megamanx1978, wants spamming ? /msg dpkg debian-based
01:20<Xenguy>megamanx1978: debian: more stable, software more stale unless you use testing or sid branches; ubuntu: less stable, uses non-free drivers, updated every 6 months i.e. more often than debian stable
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01:20<Xenguy>megamanx1978: just my opinion
01:22<megamanx1978>Thanks Xenguy
01:22<Xenguy>megamanx1978: yw
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01:24<leo_>anybody got xmonad 0.9 running with lenny stable?
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01:25<adb>leo_, see #xmonad next room ..
01:25<leo_>ok
01:26<mr_queue>Xenguy: I must be an idiot. I'm following them. When I do get a prompt in the new region, whatever command I run is cloned in ALL of the regions.
01:26<mr_queue>bug, feature, I'm banging my head here..
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01:28<mr_queue>nm... I need sleep..
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01:29<Hideo>mr_queue: ^C-a-w will show all windows and the current window you're using
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01:34<jmarsden>mr_queue: (I just read the scrollback...) Why aren't you using multitail ?
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01:36<mr_queue>jmarsden: multitail looks interesting. But not exactly what I had in mind.
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01:38<jmarsden>mr_queue: Alternatively, if you really need multiple shells, and you have a GUI, maybe try terminator
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01:42<mr_queue>well I think I'm past doing things the easy way. :) More less what I was hoping for was 3 regions in a screen. Well give region 1 a working, usable shell for whatever, region 2 to tail -f something, and region 3 with irssi running. Make sense? now I'd like to be able to ^C-d ( which I can now fine ) but when I attempt to reattach to the screen, I only get region 1.
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01:42<mr_queue>I then need to re-split that, and reattach each screen to a region.
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01:50<Xenguy>mr_queue: back - I had a similar problem at first (IIUC) and found that ^-a-c in the new region makes more sense than ^-a-n (if that makes any sense :-)
01:50<Xenguy>mr_queue: so I ditched ^-a-n as I don't really see how it is useful
01:50<ReSeR>Whence it is possible to download release debian 40r5?
01:51<mr_queue>Xenguy: Yes, that's exactly what I've found too. However, are you able to detach from the screen, and when reattaching the regions survive?
01:51<Xenguy>mr_queue: let me try
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01:52<gsimmons>ReSeR: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/4.0_r5/
01:53<Xenguy>mr_queue: hrm, nope, when I reattach, it shows only 1 region, as you say :-/
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01:54<mr_queue>Xenguy: hum.. Although, the windows do survive, and if you spilt it up again you can pick where they go. But that seems unnecessary
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01:55<ReSeR>gsimmons: Thanks! I have not thought in archive to go :(
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01:57<Xenguy>mr_queue: agreed, there should be someway to preserve the splits, hrm
01:58<torrentow>Hi. I have a problem I downloading debian testing cd 1 from bittirent rhen Transmission says: Tracker gave an error: "Requested download is not authorized for use this tracker"
01:58<torrentow>*bittorrent
01:59<Xenguy>mr_queue: heh, check out C-a-|
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02:00<mr_queue>Xenguy: wow! that's neat.
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02:00<Xenguy>mr_queue: still searching for a way to preserve the splits
02:01<jm_>there's a patch for screen for window splits
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02:03<torrentow>[#debian] "Requested download is not authorized for use this tracker"Hi. I have a problem I downloading debian testing cd 1 from bittirent rhen Transmission says: Tracker gave an error: "Requested download is not authorized for use this tracker"
02:03<torrentow>[#debian] "Requested download is not authorized for use this tracker"
02:03<torrentow>[#debian] "Requested download is not authorized for use this tracker"
02:03<mr_queue>Xenguy: http://osdir.com/ml/gnu.screen.user/2005-03/msg00013.html
02:07<Xenguy>mr_queue: weird
02:08<Xenguy>mr_queue: I discovered the exact same URL as you, only 1 minute later -- seriously :-0
02:08<mr_queue>Xenguy: lol.. It's a Debian thing.
02:09<Xenguy>mr_queue: so looks like a hack is needed, or one can just build a config file to preserve a repeat setup, or one can just manually re-split (which actually is fairly painless and quick I think)
02:09<Xenguy>heheh
02:10<faheem>there is a fork of screen called tscreen
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02:10<faheem>by Steve Kemp iirc
02:10<mr_queue>Xenguy: yeah, re-splitting is not that bad, but not ideal imo.
02:10<faheem>don't know how actively he is maintaining it, but he might be more responsive to bug reports user requests than GNU screen
02:11<Xenguy>faheem: I don't see that in debian though, but interesting anyway - tx
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02:11<mr_queue>faheem: probably. gnu stuff seems to take forever sometimes. :/
02:11<Xenguy>mr_queue: C-a-S then C-a-2 etc seems fairly fast
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02:12<faheem>changelog here - http://tscreen.repository.steve.org.uk/shortlog/141
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02:12<Xenguy>mr_queue: oops, C-a-S then C-a-TAB, then C-a-2 etc seems fairly fast
02:12<faheem>doesn't look like it has been very active recently, but GNU screen is probably deader :-)
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02:13<Xenguy>mr_queue: http://polishlinux.org/howtos/screen-tips-tricks/ <-- see Section 4 (haven't played with that yet)
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02:13<faheem>you can get a deb package for it - just not in debian proper
02:13*Xenguy heads for bed -- it's later than you think...
02:13<Xenguy>nite
02:15<mr_queue>later
02:16<jm_>there's also bsd screen alternative, tmux
02:17<faheem>jm_: link?
02:17<faheem>it is called tmux?
02:17<jm_>faheem: it's in debian, you can find it on p.d.o
02:17<jm_>(not in lenny)
02:17<faheem>i see, new in squeeze
02:17<jm_>yup
02:18<faheem>jm_: apt-cache, apt-file do me, but thanks for the pointer
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02:19<jm_>faheem: yeah that's fine if you use sid ;)
02:19<geckos>just for curiosity... kernelD init.d rc2.d ... this "D"s are the same .. and if is .. what means?
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02:19<jm_>.d is for directory I believe
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02:20<geckos>hum
02:20<roland->hey, how can I install xen in squeeze
02:20<roland->?
02:20<geckos>i'm guessing d of daemon .. but ..
02:20<geckos>i'm not shure
02:21<geckos>sure*
02:21<jm_>naah, it's used for other purposes too -- see /etc/udev/rules.d, /etc/network/if-up.d, /etc/ld.so.conf.d, /etc/modprobe.d and countless other examples
02:22<jm_>then again I am not sure what you really wanted to know
02:22<jm_>init.d/rc?.d are related to startup
02:23<jm_>it's explained in README.runlevels.gz
02:23<roland->there is a huge bug in squeeze, if I enable dash systemwide the xfce4-termial won't start anymore
02:23<jmarsden>geckos: .d at the end of a directory name conventionally means the directory is a "drop-in" location for configuration files. The letter d at the end of a binary name (cupsd, xinetd, etc) often means the binary is designed to run as a daemon
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02:25<geckos>what is the mean of letter D in end of each "thing"
02:25<koollman>daemon
02:25<geckos>tyy
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02:27<jmarsden>geckos: d is for "daemon" if the thing is an executable binary file. d is for "dropin config file location" if the thing is a directory. Usually. Which I thought I already said earlier.
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02:27<jm_>there is no single meaning
02:27<jmarsden>koollman: Clearly the d in /etc/apt/sources.list.d does not mean "daemon" -- if it does, which daemon does it refer to?
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02:37<roland->how do I install xen in debian squeeze?
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02:38<torrentow>"Hi. I have a problem I downloading debian testing cd 1 from bittorent then Transmission says: Tracker gave an error: "Requested download is not authorized for use this tracker"
02:39<mr_queue>torrentow: I'd find 1) a better client, and 2) another tracker
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02:43<torrentow>mr_queue: for example ?
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02:44<mr_queue>torrentow: I don't torrent much. But rtorrent has never let me down. As for the tracker I have no idea. Is there any reason you must have the DVD?
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02:45<torrentow>mr_queue: ok i try rtorrent + webui
02:47<mr_queue>Oh, looking back, I see you're only after CD1. In which case you'd probably be better off with curl -C - -L -O <url> pick one from here. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/
02:48<mr_queue>or wget -c <url> if you want
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03:00<geckos>could someone ping www.tldp.org ... it's down there too?
03:01<torrentow>64 bytes from vhost.ibiblio.org (152.46.7.81): icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=225 ms
03:02<geckos>ty
03:02<geckos>here is down
03:02<geckos>i got it from google's cache
03:04<geckos>torrentow: DNS error.. i can ping the ip ..
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03:05<torrentow>geckos: ipv4 or ipv6 ?
03:06<geckos>ipv4
03:06<geckos>it's down here
03:06<torrentow>PING www.tldp.org (152.46.7.81) 56(84) bytes of data.
03:06<torrentow>64 bytes from vhost.ibiblio.org (152.46.7.81): icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=226 ms
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03:07<geckos>now comes back
03:08<geckos>some DNS in way goes down... maybe
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03:12<torrentow>PING www.tldp.org (152.46.7.81) 56(84) bytes of data.
03:12<torrentow>64 bytes from vhost.ibiblio.org (152.46.7.81): icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=224 ms
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03:20<valdyn>geckos: the .d just means directory
03:22<geckos>valdyn: init.diretory
03:22<geckos>valdyn: ?
03:23<valdyn>geckos: yes
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03:23<geckos>valdyn: and kerneld kerneldaemon
03:23<valdyn>geckos: yes
03:23<geckos>valdyn: now everything is clear
03:24<geckos>valdyn: :D
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03:25<geckos>cya
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03:32<anton>anyone know where kde4 stores its sessions - have 25 broken kdesudo calls coming up on login
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04:04<kubu>Hi, pals. I have a portable hard drive from which i boot Linux. Now i want to use a static ip address in one anothr pc, but the "ethxx" things get increasing in number, is there a way to flush all the "eth1", "eth2" that show up in the ifconfig command.
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04:06<lidaobing>kubu, have you checked this file: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
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04:09<kubu>lidaobing, thanks a lot friend. I can see they all are listed there. So what do with them, shall i delet or ....?
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04:10<lidaobing>kubu, you can delete them all and chmod this file to 444, so it can no longer be modified (not tested yet)
04:14<valdyn>!forcedeth
04:14<dpkg>somebody said forcedeth was the open-source nVidia Ethernet driver, for nForce motherboards. Found in 2.4.23 and later kernels. Ask me about <forcedeth mac>. See also <mcp67>, <rtl8211c>.
04:14<kubu>lidaobing: thanks this is much helpful, is there a way that it can autoflash when the "ethxx" interface is no longer available. Like it does for my sound device.
04:14<valdyn>!forcedeth mac
04:14<dpkg>If you're using the <forcedeth> driver and your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc), edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch), remove all but one entry, and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". See also <z25>.
04:14<valdyn>kubu: ^^
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04:16<lidaobing>kubu, i don't know. :)
04:17<lidaobing>!z25
04:17<dpkg>udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>.
04:17<lidaobing>!eclipse
04:17<dpkg>somebody said eclipse was the end of the world, or an extensible IDE written in Java, packaged for Debian. http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ http://www.eclipse.org/ #eclipse on irc.freenode.net.
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04:22<kubu>dpkg: lidaobing and valdyn, thankyou all for your help. I think i have enough to start with and shall dig some other time. Thankyou guys for your help.
04:22<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, kubu
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05:04<ajay>hi to all, in gaprted i am not able to format disk with other ext2 ext3 filesystems like ntfs,fat16,fat32 etc
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05:04<ajay>other options are disabled
05:04<ajay>am i missing some packages?
05:04<jm_>do you have the tools installed that can do that in command line?
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05:04<jm_>look at suggested packages for gparted
05:05<jm_>although I don't see dosfstools in the list
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05:09<gsimmons>jm_: That was fixed in 0.4.4-1 (bug #505568).
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05:11<jm_>gsimmons: ahh good, thanks
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05:12<jm_>gsimmons: how come you can always come up with bug for each specific problem so quickly?
05:12<ajay>jm_ this dosfstools and fatresize but all device is getting opened in read only
05:12<KingKong2009>Hello, I am running squeeze with root file system in ext3, however today I have got a new external usb and formatted as ext4 using gparted, is it still possible to mount it?
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05:12<Lillymon>I think I'm ready to upgrade myself to the unstable kernel. But I'm going to test it first, with Iceweasel.
05:12<jm_>ajay: I am not familiar with gparted, I know it worked for someone at work using gparted live cd - maybe it's bceause it's mounted or so
05:13<jm_>KingKong2009: what do you mean with "still possible"? given the right kernel version you can
05:14<KingKong2009>Ah ok, currently running Linux debian 2.6.30-2-amd64
05:15<jm_>grep EXT4 /boot/config-$(uname -r)
05:15<Lillymon>Right, test succeeded. So to go from the testing kernel to unstable kernel, which packages do I need to make aptitude upgrade. I know linux-image of course, but is that it?
05:15<jm_>Lillymon: you will know when you try to install it
05:16<Lillymon>That's reassuring.
05:17<KingKong2009>jm_, Sweet was able to mount -t ext4 /dev/sdc1 /mnt/, Thanks
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05:21<Lillymon>Right, aptitude appears to be done. I've got linux-image-amd64 from unstable now.
05:21<KingKong2009>For cleanness am I supposed to be mounting in a subdirectory in /mnt or /mnt is ok?
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05:22<babilen>KingKong2009: Create a subdirectory. Do you see any issues with that?
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05:23<KingKong2009>babilen, Nope, was wondering if /mnt is the standard place to mount all external devices?
05:24<babilen>KingKong2009: Yes, but don't mount to /mnt directly, but rather /mnt/foo
05:24<OdyX>KingKong2009: helpers mount in /media
05:25<babilen>KingKong2009: Things like usbsticks, cdroms and other removable media get frequently mounted to /media as OdyX already pointed out
05:26<KingKong2009>babilen, will keep that in mind, then whats the diff between /mnt and /media?
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05:26<babilen>KingKong2009: s/get frequently/should be/
05:26<babilen>KingKong2009: Have a look at the FHS (file hierarchy standard) if you have further questions like these
05:27<babilen>KingKong2009: /mnt is for temporarily mounted *filesystem* /media is for *removable media* such as usb sticks or cdroms
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05:28<KingKong2009>KingKong2009, what would my 75GB external usb classify as?
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05:28<babilen>KingKong2009: removable media IMHO
05:28<KingKong2009>babilen, thanks
05:29<KingKong2009>Apart from rsync and "cp -a" :-) does anyone recommend another backup software??
05:29<babilen>KingKong2009: You are welcome.
05:29<OdyX>KingKong2009: rdiff-backpu
05:29<OdyX>backup
05:29<babilen>KingKong2009: I like rsnapshot... rdiff-backup is great too
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05:30<babilen>KingKong2009: Just plug in the device and backups will start automagically, hourly, weekly, monthly snapshots included. And no identical file stored twice
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05:32<gsimmons>jm_: Oh, the bug number is in the package's changelog.
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05:33<jm_>gsimmons: ahh doh
05:34<kitty>oh yeah
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05:35<victor>hellow
05:36<jm_>(another thing where using sid is easier to come by)
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05:37<Lillymon>Much thanks to all, sound now works. Now for the next job, Nvidia drivers. I think I can handle this alone, but about the version. With a GeForce 8800GT, is there any reason to go for version 185 (from sid) or am I better off with version 173 (from testing)?
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05:37<Lillymon>I'm thinking the latter myself, since I know it works (I used it with Ubuntu).
05:38<arthrotec>hello
05:38<jm_>173 worked fine for me with 8800GT
05:38<jm_>if I discount occasional problem when suspending
05:38<Lillymon>That pretty much settles it then, 173 it is. I could always upgrade to 185 later.
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05:43<arthrotec>does any one know how to play avis in vlc?
05:43<petemc>should just work
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05:46<arthrotec>it's not working. I can play dvds and music, but not avis. I'm getting this error about no codec
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05:47<arthrotec>the error says something about no suitable decoder module
05:47<Lillymon>Right, module-assistant tried to build the nvidia kernel source, and failed. I'm looking at the log, but what should I take away from this?
05:48<Lillymon>The Debian wiki's first suggestion is wrong GCC version, but module-assistant says this kernel was build with 4.3.4, and it detected GCC 4.3.4.
05:49<KingKong2009>Having hard time deciding between rdiff-backup and rsnapshot, which wins?
05:49<Lillymon>aptitude also says I've got gcc-4.3 on this system.
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05:49<Gold24>KingKong2009: i have good experience with rdiff-backup
05:49<Lillymon>So I've not a clue why module-assistant failed.
05:49<babilen>KingKong2009: The one you like best :-). I like rsnapshot...
05:50<Gold24>but then it's also a pretty small setup
05:50<babilen>Gold24: Will rdiff-backup do snapshots, or how do you get the state of the backup 1 month ago?
05:51<Gold24>it does incremental backups
05:51<OdyX>babilen: you can (dont have the syntax right now….)
05:51<jm_>Lillymon: you need 185 for 2.6.3x
05:51<arthrotec>anybody on no suitable decoder module in vlc
05:51<Lillymon>jm_: Really? Does that include 2.6.30?
05:51<jm_>Lillymon: yes
05:51<Gold24>and it has commands for getting from a specific time ago
05:51<Lillymon>What the hell is 173 doing in testing then?
05:51<Gold24>Lillymon: also 2.6.31
05:51<babilen>OdyX: But it will not b the case that there is a directory "backup.20091001" which is browsable and accessible?
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05:52<Gold24>babilen: not specifically no
05:52<Lillymon>So what the hell do I do now? The instructions from the wiki are useless to me now.
05:52<babilen>OdyX: You will still have to find a full backup and replay some incrementals?
05:52<jm_>babilen: no, you need to restore it using rdiff-backup -r
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05:52*babilen likes snapshots
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05:53<jm_>you can a) backport it from sid, b) try using the stuff from sid directly
05:53<OdyX>babilen: yeah
05:53<Lillymon>Well my first thought would be to get the nvidia-kernel-common package from sid, and start again.
05:54<Lillymon>Except that it's the same package according to Debian Packages.
05:54<jm_>the better package would of course be nvidia-kernel-source
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05:54<jm_>-common is largely uninteresting
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05:54<Lillymon>Well yeah, but the instructions have module-assistant pulling that package. How do I tell m-a to get the sid version?
05:55<jm_>don't bother, install it by hand
05:55<jm_>it will use what you have
05:56<Lillymon>This day is now going downhill again.
05:56<jm_>no way, sun at last!
05:56*Gold24 knows jm_ isn't here
05:56<Gold24>hehe
05:57<jm_>heh
05:57<Lillymon>Well I looked at the "Build manually, with a stock kernel" section of the wiki page, and my first words were "What the hell is that?".
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05:57<KingKong2009>Ok having read up on this for the simple guy like me I think rsnapshot will be good, now down to writing my backup script...
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05:57<jm_>KingKong2009: simple stuff also includes backuppc
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05:57<DTE>hi
05:58<Lillymon>Well at least I think everything is already installed, the last instructions seemed to install everything and the kitchen sink.
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05:59<Lillymon>So when installing nvidia-kernel-source, I need the sid version. Right?
05:59<jm_>yes
06:00<DTE>one question: why squidguard in debian isn't updated to amore recent version?
06:01<babilen>judd versions squidguard
06:01<judd>babilen: squidguard -- etch: 1.2.0-8.2 lenny: 1.2.0-8.4 sid: 1.2.0-8.4 squeeze: 1.2.0-8.4
06:01<jm_>did you check if anyone created a bug?
06:01<jm_>maybe it's a dead project
06:01<DTE>on the project site there's the 1.4 version
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06:02<DTE>yes there're a couple of bugs
06:03<jm_>for newer version?
06:03<Lillymon>I hate that the wiki page doesn't tell me which bits require superuser privileges.
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06:03<Lillymon>I would assume "debian/rules binary_modules" does/
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06:03<jm_>why are you running that?
06:04<Lillymon>Oh God.
06:04<jm_>m-a a-i nvidia
06:04<DTE>jm_: yes...but the old package are affected as well
06:04<Lillymon>Didn't I just do that and see m-a fail?
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06:04<koalinux> fat32
06:04<Lillymon>The exact command was "m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source"
06:04<jm_>because you had older "source"
06:04<koalinux>sorry
06:05<Lillymon>So I just run it again?
06:05<jm_>and that's wrong anyway, it's nvidia
06:05<Lillymon>Oh, wouldn't you just know what happened. It failed. AGAIN.
06:06<Lillymon>Ah, now I see an error I understand. "ERROR: unclean build directory from older version found, please clean"
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06:06<jm_>DTE: right, no reply
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06:07<Lillymon>So, "rm -r /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/" then?
06:07<DTE>jm_: it seems that they stopped to fix older versions and started a new 1.5 version
06:08<jm_>DTE: yeah but it would be nice if maintainer replies to "new versions available" bug after some time
06:08<DTE>so...maybe one of you can help me, i need a web filter software that can filter on ldap search result
06:08<Lillymon>I think I actually messed up the build directory myself.
06:09<Lillymon>It worked!
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06:10<Lillymon>I'm going to need the sid nvidia-glx now.
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06:11<Lillymon>I'm sitting here with "sudo aptitude install -t unstable nvidia-glx" hoping I'm right now.
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06:12<Lillymon>Right, I am correct, I know everything. Installing.
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06:13<Lillymon>OK, no xorg.conf. I hate X11.
06:14<Lillymon>So the final step is making X use the driver. What now?
06:14<themill>!xorg config squeeze
06:14<dpkg>From squeeze onwards, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf>. Configure your keyboard layout for both X and console in /etc/default/console-setup or "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" (not xorg.conf). If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. Ask me about <xorg hal>. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide
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06:14<Lillymon>I repeat for extra emphasis: I hate X11.
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06:15<Lillymon>I'm still here repeating "WTF", none of that means anything to me. It might as well be written in Hebrew.
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06:17<Lillymon>It's like the damn registry. Everything used to be in xorg.conf, now everything's everywhere and I know nothing.
06:18<Lillymon>I also note that I made Scroll Lock work yesterday. Reboot, and it stops working. God only knows where X keeps its settings now.
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06:19<themill>Lillymon: if you don't like things that haven't been documented properly yet, don't run sid.
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06:20<Lillymon>I will note that my X.org problem is absolutely not sid-specific. I've been losing control of X for the last year or so, and most of that was on Ubuntu.
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06:20<Lillymon>But how do I make X use the nvidia driver now? xorg.conf seems to be dead, so is nvidia-xconfig the way to go?
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06:21*OdyX points Lillymon to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_Window_System
06:21<jm_>see what dpkg said about creatign xorg.conf
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06:22<lady_claluuw>uuuhkg,fld
06:22<themill>Lillymon: both the debian wiki and dpkg have given you this information.
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06:22<Lillymon>themill: The Debian Wiki assumed xorg.conf would actually exist, and it gave me incorrect information about m-a, I stopped trusting ti after that.
06:23<ottoshmidt>what is the name of default archive manager in debian fresh install?
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06:24<Lillymon>So I'm going to end up with an xorg.conf file with just "Driver "nvidia"" in it.
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06:25<Lillymon>Placing any sections in there would be hard with no point of reference to build from.
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06:26*themill wonders if Lillymon has bothered to read anything that has been said
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06:26<ottoshmidt>Lillymon, you can use xconfig-nvidia
06:26<ottoshmidt>to create one
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06:27<Lillymon>themill: I'm a slow learner when it comes to X. I should probably state for a third time: I hate X11.
06:27<jm_>themill: my feeling is that about 65% is ignored
06:27<ottoshmidt>or nvidia-xconfig (don't remember)
06:27<themill>Lillymon: if your whinging:reading ratio were lower, then you'd be done by now.
06:28<Lillymon>I very much doubt that, but I'll take your word for it.
06:28<OdyX>Lillymon: if you hate it so much, you have 2-3 options: 1) stop using it (thus use Y-Windows or similar) 2) fix it by reporting bugs and fixing them 3) stop ranting uselessly
06:28<themill>(3) applies regardless
06:28<Torrentow>Failure reason "Requested download is not authorized for use with this trackerFailure reason "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker rtorrent says
06:29<valdyn>Torrentow: you cannot fix that, we cannot
06:29<valdyn>Torrentow: you can get a torrent that suits that tracker maybe
06:30<Lillymon>Well I'll just say now that the Debian Wiki article threw "Warning: this method is generally not recommended due to an important X bug" regarding nvidia-xconfig at me. Which put me off a bit.
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06:30<Torrentow>valdyn: i try from my location and my vsp
06:30<Torrentow>*vps
06:30<valdyn>Torrentow: the *torrent* is the issue, not something else
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06:31<themill>Lillymon: did you read the bug?
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06:33<Lillymon>Yes, and I don't know if it's relevant or not.
06:33<themill>Lillymon: what is the bug about? (under what circumstances is the bug seen?)
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06:34<Lillymon>When used with an invalid xorg.conf file, which I suppose can't apply when I don't have one.
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06:34<themill>yes
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06:36<Lillymon>I'm immediately stuck again thought, with the whole 'sudo or not' thing. The wiki page would be infinitely more useful if it just spelled that out.
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06:37<Lillymon>I know Debian doesn't use sudo out of the box, but it'd be helpful to know if certain commands need to be run as root.
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06:38<Lillymon>I also recall that running certain graphical appliations with sudo rather than gksudo or kdesudo can be very bad.
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06:40<themill>Lillymon: it already does except for the "Build manually, with a stock kernel" section which you haven't used and (almost all) needs to be done as root anyway
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06:40<Lillymon>Well I just ran nvidia-config as root. Says it wrote a new X configuration file.
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06:42<Lillymon>Well I hope I'm done, since I'm about to reboot.
06:43<valdyn>where does it say you need to reboot?
06:43<Lillymon>Nowhere, I could start the nvidia driver without rebooting. But I prefer to reboot.
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06:43<valdyn>makes sense.. not
06:44<Lillymon>Yeah, I'll lose my one hour and 20 minutes of uptime. Bye.
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06:51<nickzxcv>so I'm running an rsyslog server for some console servers and other stuff
06:52<nickzxcv>and the console server will only log connects/disconnects at one level or console transmit and receive data
06:52<nickzxcv>including passwords typed on the console
06:53<nickzxcv>has anybody run into this and made a filter in rsyslogd?
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06:56<Lillymon>Thanks to all, sound and video in one day.
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07:13<babilen>at88: Just ask. It is hard for us to read your mind
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07:18<at88>babilen: sorry
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07:22<babilen>at88: Also - no you don't suck and please don't /msg me
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07:24<at88>thats my problem, when i try to remodel device in zenoss i get this error http://paste.org/pastebin/view/11723
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07:25<smhar>greetings..
07:25<at88>i tried to upgrade to 2.5 but this doesn't help, google doesn't tell me anything i could find interesting
07:26<smhar>I want to install virtualbox-ose but it seems it requires to install linux-image-2.6.30-2-486 . I am using squeeze and I already have linux-image-2.6.30-2-686 installed, any idea how to avoid adding a new kernel
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07:27<babilen>at88: Is zenoss in Debian? I could not find it. The error stems from a faulty regular expression. did you define some? If yes -> correct it, if no --> contact the vendor or some zenoss related forum/channel/support-something
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07:34<babilen>smhar: Please paste the output os the install command somewhere. Also: apt-cache policy, apt-cache policy {virtualbox-ose,linux-image-2.6.30-2-486,linux-image-2.6.30-2-686}
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07:37<at88>smhar: stupid but works, install virtualbox-ose with linux-image-2.6.30-2-486, then m-a auto-install virtualbox-ose, then remove linux-image-2.6.30-2-486.
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07:38<smhar>babilen, apt-get install output: http://pastebin.com/m2f950a63 , apt-cache policy: http://pastebin.com/m4d6b5b1c
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07:39<smhar>at88, I expected this too, but as you said.. .it is )(*&^
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07:42<babilen>!dbugs #497505
07:43<dpkg>DONE:#497505:I[virtualbox-ose] virtualbox-ose doesn't work with linux 2.6.26 (fixed-upstream patch); Tue, 02 Sep 2008 08:33:01 UTC []
07:43<babilen>!dbugs 497875
07:43<dpkg>DONE:#497875:I[linux-image-2.6.26-1-686] linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-4): virtualbox-ose - Kernel booting fails. (); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:57:01 UTC []
07:43<babilen>smhar: ^^^^
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07:45<babilen>I guess that is the reason. I do not have time to dig deeper into that, but the changelog notes that using 486 is a workaround for these bugs. That was version 1.6.2-dfsg-5 though
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07:47<babilen>smhar: at88 pointed out that virtualbox does indeed run with 686 (the two bugs are closed) so you might want to file a bug, or contact the maintainer to have that change reflected in a new version of virtualbox-ose
07:48<babilen>smhar: Also, you have one "testing" line in your sources list (the french mirror) all others use "squeeze". You might want to correct that.
07:49<smhar>good catch
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07:52<babilen>smhar: :-D
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08:00<smhar>I hope the nokia n900 wil be released soon.. I hate it when I search for a simple program like chess forever when it is available in gpl
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08:09<babilen>smhar: --> #debian-offtopic
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09:19<hunter>hello
09:20<hunter>is there anyone?
09:20<d4rkl0rd>yes
09:20<d4rkl0rd>there is always somebody
09:20<hunter>hi
09:20<hunter>who are you?
09:22<d4rkl0rd>hunter: use /whois ;)
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09:23<hunter>use /whois
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09:23<hunter>just input /whois?
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09:24<d4rkl0rd>hunter: http://www.livinginternet.com/r/ru_who.htm
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09:26<LOLITA35>buenas tardes
09:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 425] by debhelper
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09:30<andres>alguien habla español
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09:32<Meths>!es
09:32<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
09:32<andres>gracias
09:33<Torrentow>!pl
09:33<dpkg>polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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09:40<peej>I've built some sample ldap objects with the phpldapadmin web front end and want to create it via scripts (ldap-utils) now hooked into a slicker gui front end (web gui is ok too). Suggestions?
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09:42<peej>or should I just roll my own?
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09:43<pato>hi all, i am running debian squeeze with kernel in version 2.6.30.2 . I am going to install nvidia binary driver and it needs to have installed linux-headers for 2.6.30.2. But kernel-headers-2.6.20.2 doesn't exist in repositary. Could somebody tell me how to manage this problem out? Thank you in advance.
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09:45<Meths>pato: should be provided by linux-libc-dev from squeeze onwards
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09:46<pato>Meths: Thank you so much, i am going to try it.
09:47<adb>pato, uname -r , says ?
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09:47<pato>it says 2.6.30-2-amd64
09:48<adb>http://ftp.aarnet.edu.au/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-headers-2.6.30-2-amd64_2.6.30-8_amd64.deb
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09:50<pato>i have installed linux-libc-dev and when i run aptitude show linux-libc-dev it says that it is in version 2.6.30-6
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09:52<adb>then install linux-image-2.6.30-2-amd64_2.6.30-8_amd64.deb
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09:54<pato>so if i got it, whole thing is that it is not in repositary what i am using ?
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09:54<adb>yes
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09:56<pato>so which mirror would you offer to me to be using ? I have been using repositary provided by virgin UK, because i am connected to their network and it should be the fastest option for me.
09:57<peej>I want to be able to ping a machine name on the lan and have it resolve. Should I just add it to all the hosts on the lan or is there a better way?
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09:58<adb>pato, linux-image and linux-headers works in pair (same versions) , use any repository you want
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09:59<staspika>Hi. I don't know if this is a right place to ask such a question, but maybe someone will redirect me to the appropriate place. I have a Debian-derived distribution installed, and I have an external device (controllable AC power source). The device has an UART accessible via USB (produced by Texas Instruments). The UART seems to be recognized by the kernel. But. any idea how to communicate with it?
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10:00<gsimmons>staspika: Define "Debian-derived distribution".
10:00<staspika>gsimmons Ubuntu 9.10
10:01<pato>ok, i understand, but in case, it is not in repositary what i am using, so i should change it. Or am i wrong ?
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10:01<gsimmons>staspika: Please ask your question in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net.
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10:02<adb>pato, yes ,change and use mine then
10:03<staspika>gsimmons: I believe it does not matter much, due to accessibility of the whole Debian software repository. It has nothing to do with the distribution itself. I need a terminal program or something capable of speaking ASCII with UART.
10:03<pato>adb: Ok, thank you for your time and help. Have a nice day.
10:03<adb>yw
10:04<themill>staspika: we have no idea what kernel versions, kernel modules and software tools are available to you in Ubuntu. You'd do much better to ask them.
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10:06<staspika>gsimmons: If I say that I have a generic 2.6.31 kernel, and the driver is definitely included in it, will you consider to answer my question?
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10:07<cahoot>staspika: just accept the fact
10:07<staspika>cahoot: what fact, exactly?
10:07<cahoot>staspika: ubuntu isn't supported here
10:08<staspika>cahoot: I do NOT ask NOTHING about ubuntu.
10:08<cahoot>staspika: then try a general linux channel
10:08<themill>staspika: please go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net.
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10:08<staspika>cahoot: Or it just irritates that I prefer ubuntu not Debian?
10:09<staspika>cahoot: Thank you. Where do I find the general linux channel?
10:09<themill>staspika: please also respect the decision of the volunteers here to support Debian users using Debian.
10:09<cahoot>staspika: ##linux or such on freenode?
10:10<staspika>themill: understood.
10:10<staspika>cahoot: thank you.
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10:16<peej>I want to ping a machine name on a lan, and have it resolve to a dhcp-allocated ip. Is the smart way to do it to have a local dns on the dhcp server?
10:17<sdsdsd>hello guys, i have compiled my new kernel 2.6.31-6 yesterday, using make-kpkg, but instead linux-image i get a linux-xemu, what didnt boot, and is not found by grup-update. can anyone help?
10:17<peej>I guess the dumb way to do it would be to create and sync hosts files
10:17<sdsdsd>(AMD64, Squeeze, used gcc 4.4
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10:23<Titan8990>sdsdsd, grub-update just looks for new images names vmlinuz-$VERSION in /boot
10:24<themill>sdsdsd: you need to disable xen stuff in the kernel, then it will generate a normal image not a xen image
10:25<themill>peej: most dhcp servers have the ability to update some sort of dns for the local network (e.g. dnsmasq). There's also the .local domain that will use mdns to work these things out for you.
10:25<sdsdsd>ok, but what may i have done wrong? i ever done a vmlinuz
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10:32<zandaa>hello
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10:32<sdsdsd>can i disable all things related to xen so?
10:33<zandaa>I was kinda having a question about the /etc/issue as is given by the linuxlogo pkg
10:34<zandaa>so, how do I realistically get the debian text to be vertically centered after removing the crap I don't want to display? (I'm talking about the version with the colourcodes inside)
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10:34<sdsdsd>themill can i disable all things related to xen so? i wont use any of them?
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10:39<zuberot>hello, i have already installed and configured debian system (lenny) i want to repack it and make bootable iso with installer from that
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10:40<zuberot>anyone ?
10:41<zuberot>debhelper:
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10:43<pikpok>Hi, I have question about mad-wifi how I can see what is going wrong diuring start becouse I don't have connection after restart or startup and I must restat connection /etc/inet.d/networking
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10:53<peej>Debian wiki has loads of handholding - go there first. It looks to me like madwifi isn't part of lenny and you have to use wpa packages instead.
10:53<peej>http://wiki.debian.org/WPA
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10:54<peej>(wonder who is dumber, pikpok for leaving, or me for answering after he left ;-) )
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10:55<gsimmons>peej: Uh, Lenny has madwifi. It's the wpa_supplicant madwifi driver backend which is no longer included.
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10:57<faheem>peej: people do that. hardly your fault
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10:57<faheem>maybe they think this channel has a dedicated support staff or something...
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11:01<mihkel>Hi. 2.6.31 landed on sid today. After reboot I noticed something in syslog file. http://paste.debian.net/51289/
11:01<mihkel>What does it mean?
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11:12<terietor>hello,i haven't sound on debian squeeze but i can fix it if i uncheck mute from gmix (i have to do this every time i open my pc)
11:12<cahoot>terietor: alsa-utils is installed?
11:14<terietor>yes they are installed
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11:15<cahoot>terietor: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils *should* be run at boot and unmute + set sane levels
11:16<cahoot>terietor: /etc/rcS/50alsa-utils exists?
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11:18<Torsten_W>terietor, after u set the mixer as user, do alsactl store as root
11:18<terietor>@cahoot no it doesn't exit
11:18<Torsten_W>then on the next reboot all should be fine
11:18<cahoot>terietor: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils exists?
11:19<terietor>yes
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11:19<napoly>hello... i just installed debian and can't see the microsoft windows in grub.. :( can you help pls..
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11:19<cahoot>terietor: I'd create a symlink to /etc/rcS/50alsa-utils
11:20<cahoot>terietor: that should fix the matter
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11:21<terietor>/etc/rcS/50alsa-utils doesn't exist
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11:22<kf>hi all, I migrated from fedora to debian recently, the fedora kernel had a sysfs entry yo tweak pcie_aspm policy (/sys/module/pcie_aspm/parameters/policy), does the debian kernel have a similar thing ? I couldnt find one ..
11:23<terietor>@napoly i thing that if u run at konsole "update-grub" the problem will be fixes (i am not sure)
11:24<napoly>thank you.. i think it works
11:24<napoly>going to reboot
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11:25<cahoot>terietor: see if reinstalling alsa-utils creates the correct symlinks
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11:27<terietor>ok thanks
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11:38<napoly>hey all.. i just installed debian testing.. but somehow.. the "preferences" button does not work.. what can be wrong?
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11:47<gsimmons>kf: CONFIG_PCIEASPM is not enabled in Debian kernel images. See http://bugs.debian.org/545417 for the reason.
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12:40<mettao87>hi guys, I have a problem with ./configure of libxml++-2.26.1, the terminal error is: configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables. In the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m53c87b73 there is the config.log result. I use lenny.
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12:43<themill>!b-e mettao87
12:43<dpkg>mettao87: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
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12:46<mettao87>themill: solved. Thank you
12:47<rinni>If I don't want to user dh_auto_install, is it ok to just put an empty "override_dh_auto_install:" in my rules file?
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12:50<rinni>my debian/rules looks like: http://paste.debian.net/51304
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13:12<vic_>hi
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13:13<zandaa>hello people, I'm having problems setting up pure-ftpd, it seems that the init.d script does not function as it should, can anyone verify?
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13:16<mettao87>Hi guys, I still have problem whit the libxml++-2.26.1 configuration. after install build-essential and try ./configure again I have this error: http://pastebin.com/m4aa83449 and if I try to install the package glibmm-2.22.1 I have this error: http://pastebin.com/m7a5b7d3
13:16<faheem>mettao87: what are you trying to do?
13:17<mettao87>faheem: I want to install libxml++-2.26.1
13:17<steffan>zandaa: does /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd {start,stop} work?
13:17<faheem>if you are trying to build from debian sources, then you probably want 'debuild binary' or similar
13:17<faheem>mettao87: more details please. why are you trying to compile? backport?
13:18<faheem>are you building from source, or using debian sources?
13:18<mettao87>faheem: I didn't find it in the repositories. debian sources
13:18<zandaa>steffan: obviously not, otherwise I wouldn't be here at the moment :P
13:18<mettao87>faheem: no sorry. from sources.
13:19<mettao87>faheem: I didn't find the debian sources
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13:19<steffan>zandaa: you said it didn't function as it should, not that it doesn't work at all
13:19<mettao87>faheem: I downloaded it from: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/
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13:19<faheem>mettao87: it is there. see apt-cache show libxml++2.6-2
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13:20<faheem>if you are using lenny you can use a backport
13:20<faheem>or apt-cache policy libxml++2.6-2
13:20<zandaa>steffan: you're right, I Should've been more clear... I can manually run `pure-ftpd -B` and then netstat sees a listener on port 21, but if I let it up to the init script it just doesn't work
13:21<steffan>zandaa: 'sudo /etc/default/pure-ftpd-common' what is $STANDALONE_OR_INETD set too?
13:21<faheem>!tell mettao87 about bpo
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13:21<faheem>did i get the syntax right there?
13:21<steffan>zandaa: 'sudo nano /etc/default/pure-ftpd-common', sorry
13:22<zandaa>steffan: it's set to inetd
13:22<zandaa>steffan: should I switch it over to standalone?
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13:22<steffan>zandaa: change $STANDALONE_OR_INETD to =standalone and try
13:23<zandaa>steffan: ... now the init.d script does work
13:23<faheem>mettao87: you'll may also want the dev packages
13:24<steffan>zandaa: next time google it, it will save me doing it ;)
13:24<zandaa>steffan: sorry ^^;
13:24<mettao87>faheem: I added the backports repositories.
13:24<zandaa>steffan: you know what it is, I have the task to do this assignment to set up a server using debian, yeah.. but the document hasn't been properly verified to work
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13:25<steffan>zandaa: google:'pureftpd init.d' has a ton of bugs been reported regarding this
13:26<zandaa>steffan: I'll think of that next time, I'm just kinda annoyed because the documentation my school supplies is either incorrect and/or outdated
13:26<mettao87>faheem: OK, I installed it. thank you
13:26<simonrvn>faheem: you did yes
13:26<steffan>zandaa: that's where the Internet comes in handy
13:27<faheem>simonrvn: thanks
13:27<zandaa>steffan: I agree, just wish the teacher would've verified his documents (which I'm now doing for him :|)
13:27<faheem>mettao87: excellent
13:28<simonrvn>faheem: you can also do 'tell foo -about bar' - which sends the msg but not to you, only a /msg from the bot saying 'told bar about foo.'
13:28<steffan>zandaa: good luck :)
13:29<zandaa>steffan: thanks :D and thanks for the help :)
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13:31<faheem>simonrvn: only difference from what i wrote being a hypen, which sends me a confirmation?
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13:31<simonrvn>faheem: nods
13:32<faheem>simonrvn: thanks. good to know
13:32<mettao87>bye guys. than you
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13:54<Ether_Man>Does anyone know of any way to see what displaydriver x.org is actually using when autoconfigured? Installed the radeonhd driver which says that it did configure, but want to make sure if it's actually using it before proceeding :)
13:56<simNIX>Ether_Man, in /var/log/Xorg.0.log you should be able to tell
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13:56<cahoot> grep drivers /var/log/Xorg.0.log
13:57<Ether_Man>"(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon_drv.so" Is that the radeonhd driver or the normal radeon one?
13:58<Titan8990>thats the normal radeon driver
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14:01<Ether_Man>Hmm.. it should be trying the radeonhd package though if that's the last installed shouldnt it? :/
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14:20<jesus>hola
14:22<valdyn>EmleyMoor: there should be no overlap between those 2
14:22<valdyn>gah
14:22<valdyn>goner
14:23<kop>I've reported a bug in balsa and have been asked to help get a backtrace. The instructions are to run gdb path/to/balsa (newline) r --g-fatal-warnings I don't want to have to start everything from a console (and my current balsa instance is run from a script that handles spam anyway). I've tried to script this and invoke it from a (kde) button. I add 'konsole -e "gdb balsa $@"' to my script and get a dialog complaining that konsole has no access to a pty
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14:23<dondelelcaro>kop: does it dump core?
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14:23<dondelelcaro>kop: what type of bug is it?
14:24<kop>dondelelcaro: balsa?
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14:26<kop>dondelelcaro: bug #
14:27<kop>dondelelcaro: Bug#553213
14:27<kop>I think maybe the answer is to have my script run gdb balsa, not try to run konsole, and tell the button to "run in a terminal window". (Although I'd still like to know what's happening.)
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14:28<ed_>hello everybody...
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14:29<ed_>i need some help and found this to be a nice place to get it...
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14:30<ed_>basically I wanna know if someone can tell me how to make a Broadcom wireless card work on a Powerbook G4 (PPC) laptop
14:30<kop>Ideally: gdb balsa <<EOF\nr --g-fatal-warnings\nEOF would let me issue further commands should balsa crash. Although I suspect that this won't work, that stdin won't switch from the here document to regular stdin once the here document runs out. How can I automatically feed "r --g-fatal-warnings" to gdb as the first gdb command and take over interactively after that?
14:31<bzed>kop: just start it on the console instead of messing with scripts
14:31<bzed>kop: learn how to handle it, everything else will give you a headache
14:32<dondelelcaro>unfortunatly, I don't have 2.5 hours.
14:32<dondelelcaro>err, echan.
14:32<kop>bzed: poo.
14:33<valdyn>kop: expect is a tool to talk to programs like bash
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14:33<valdyn>kop: expect is a tool to talk to programs like gdb
14:33<kop>valdyn: Ah. I'd forgotten. I'll give it a whirl.
14:34<bzed>kop: you're wasting *WAY* more time now then running balsa within konsole or xterm would cost
14:34<kop>bzed: Yeah. But I'll be ever so much smarter. ;-)
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14:35<kop>bzed: And I don't want to have to look up the gdb r command when I start balsa a month from now.
14:35<dondelelcaro>kop: since it's a segfault, all you need to do is turn on coredumps, and run gdb on the resultant coredump
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14:38<kop>dondelelcaro: How do I turn on coredumps? This is something done with gdb? (I swear I once knew....)
14:39<majhool>kop: ulimit -c unlimited?
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14:40<kop>majhool: Makes sense. Thanks.
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14:45<peej>expect is a tool to talk to any interactive program
14:47<peej>actually, that isn't true. Only works with text. With gui you'd have a problem.
14:47<majhool>there's xdotool
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14:55<sun>hi how do you get the new testing grub to do vga=791 (vga mode?) it scrolls by so fast i cant see it
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15:09<rr0d>hello i am getting the following error message when starting gcalctool "Error loading user interface A required file is missing or damaged, please check your installation. Unhandled tag: 'requires' "
15:10<rr0d>it worked a few weeks ago
15:11<rr0d>i didn't uninstall anything
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15:14<rr0d>another error i get when launching transmission which is "transmission: symbol lookup error: transmission: undefined symbol: gtk_entry_set_icon_from_stock"
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15:55<tuxcrafter>hello everybody i got an issue on my debian system that everytime i reboot my locales are lost and I dont know where to start looking for the issue
15:55<tuxcrafter>http://debian.pastebin.com/d209ee012
15:55<tuxcrafter>so everytime i reboot i have to do the above ^
15:55<tuxcrafter>any ideas
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16:05<Lethalman_>tuxcrafter, not the right way of doing things
16:05<Lethalman_>tuxcrafter, dpkg-reconfigure -phigh locales
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16:07<tuxcrafter>Lethalman_: ow yes ofcource i started with dpkg-reconfigure locales this did also not work
16:07<tuxcrafter>but i never tried the -phigh
16:07<tuxcrafter>doing that now :D
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16:08<Lethalman_>tuxcrafter, it should ask you for locales to generate
16:08<tuxcrafter>Lethalman_: em with -phigh it did not ask that
16:08<tuxcrafter>without phigh it always asked for the locales to generate
16:08<Lethalman_>ah that's ok then
16:09<Lethalman_>tuxcrafter, maybe you're looking for dpkg-reconfigure console-data?
16:09<tuxcrafter>i will reboot the destkop to see if it made any diffrence
16:10<tuxcrafter>Lethalman_: hm why would console-data have influnce on the locales?
16:10<Lethalman_>it let you choose keyboard and charset
16:11<Lethalman_>anyway it should work reconfiguring locales, that's the way
16:11<tuxcrafter>dpkg-query --list console-data shows me it is not installed
16:11<tuxcrafter>so that is no issue
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16:12<banished>Hi, why is it so hard to install i386 Software on a x86_64 system?
16:12<banished>it could be so easy
16:13<tuxcrafter>Lethalman_: bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_GB.UTF-8)
16:13<tuxcrafter>again the same message
16:13<tuxcrafter>after reboot
16:14<arriesp>hi
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16:24<cahoot>tuxcrafter: dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't help?
16:24<tuxcrafter>cahoot: nope
16:24<tuxcrafter>cahoot: it is very strange i never saw this system on any of my other sytsesm
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16:31<arriesp>i have problems with udev, when i do an aptitude install ...
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16:32<arriesp>it shows me, udev error getting socket
16:32<arriesp>could someone help me?
16:34<Hellmark[S10e]>Ok, I have a lenny machine here, and I just added a new network card. The old network card is connected to a small local network. The new network card is to connect to the router for an internet connection. The computer connects online just fine, can do what ever, but if something tries to connect to it (or even ping it) on the network that goes to the internet, it cannot. If you connect via the local network on the old network card, yo
16:34<Hellmark[S10e]>u can ping it just fine (for IP addresses for both NICs)
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16:38<babilen>Hellmark[S10e]: You mean you cannot ping the computer from the internet, but all computers in the local network can ping the computer. Can computers on the local network also ping hosts on the internet?
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16:39<babilen>Hellmark[S10e]: Ah - i see you are already getting help on freenode. Just a note: People are often in both channels, so there is no need to cross-post
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16:48<Hellmark[S10e]>babilen, any idea?
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17:09<napoly>people&bots.. i need a serious help here.. have lenovo thinkpad x200.. freshly installed Lenny.. i have default xorg.conf file.. Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller.. and my driver is xserver-xorg-video-intel=2:2.3.2-2+lenny6.. but my compiz does not work.. i tried everything..
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17:11<faheem>napoly: what is compiz?
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17:12<banished>napoly: is OpenGL working at all? do you get hardware acceleration?
17:12<napoly>faheem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiz
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17:13<napoly>baneshed: i'm pretty know.. how can I test OpenGl??
17:13<banished>glxgears
17:13<banished>glxinfo
17:13<napoly>do_wait: drmWaitVBlank returned -1, IRQs don't seem to be working correctly.
17:13<napoly>Try adjusting the vblank_mode configuration parameter.
17:13<napoly>XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0"
17:13<napoly> after 15833 requests (12562 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
17:13-!-napoly was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
17:14<banished>does not sound good
17:14<tuxcrafter>arriesp: i have the same issues with udev
17:14<banished>are you using an xorg.conf?
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17:16<napoly>I have been kicked.. sorry guys..
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17:18<napoly>banished: the glxinfo gives a lots of data.. i think the most important is: do_wait: drmWaitVBlank returned -1, IRQs don't seem to be working correctly. Try adjusting the vblank_mode configuration parameter.
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17:18<napoly>but i see those gears
17:18<chiku>what happened to the paquet sysutils apres etch?
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17:20<banished>!paste napoly
17:20<dpkg>napoly: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel.
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17:20<banished>napoly: what about the frame rate
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17:21<arriesp>tuxcrafter, have you solved it?
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17:23<napoly>http://paste.debian.net/51325/
17:23<tuxcrafter>arriesp: nope sorry
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17:24<tuxcrafter>arriesp: i think it was a little package error
17:24<tuxcrafter>just update your udev again
17:24<tuxcrafter>i saw 3 updates the last days
17:24<arriesp>or purge-install?
17:25<tuxcrafter>arriesp: i would not purge udev
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17:26<napoly>banished: http://paste.debian.net/51325/
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17:43<alessandro>!it
17:43<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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18:01<goc>hi there. I have a working debian system and attached a new HDD I want to install debian on. how can I do this without floppy, USB and CDROM?
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18:02<petemc>goc: debootstrap
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18:05<goc>mkdir: cannot create directory `/dev/sde1': File exists
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18:05<goc>yes, it exists because it's the partition I want to have debian on.
18:05<goc>what about it?
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18:06<goc>(its an error msg from debootstrap)
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18:08<Pinhead>im new on this server
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18:09<adb>goc , mount it first
18:10<goc>ok I did
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18:11<faheem>goc: you could do a network install
18:12<faheem>if you have a fast network connection
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18:13<flog>hello some people have problem to download with amarok the CD cover's?
18:13<goc>faheem: then I need to make the new hdd bootable anyway
18:13<flog>with Debian lenny and amarok 1.4.10
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18:14<Pinhead>jesus christ u lot are talking a foreign language to me
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18:14<faheem>goc: true. is that a problem?
18:15<faheem>you can do it in the BIOS
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18:16<goc>ok, debootstrap seems to work properly on 2nd attempt
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18:19<Pinhead>hi
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18:22<Pinhead>CAN ANYONE HEAR ME
18:22<adb>!caps
18:22<dpkg>Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words, put an underscore ("_") on both sides.
18:23<Pinhead>_can anyone hear me_
18:23<adb>!ask
18:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:24<llimeht>Pinhead: do you have a debian question we can help you with?
18:24<Pinhead>no im just looking for chat and servers
18:25<adb>Pinhead, read the topic first
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18:25<Pinhead>k
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18:39<debnconfused>in my infinite stupidity I seem to have managed to boot everything other than that I want from a USB stick - I can't get Debian lenny 503 cd1 to boot from CD - the machine seems to thing it can't find the CDROM - which it has booted from any ideas
18:40<debnconfused>s/cd/USBSTICK -- the error message is no CDROM can be mounted
18:40<MrNaz>killall doesn't appear to be in lenny?
18:40<MrNaz>it is on my etch box though
18:41<adb>MrNaz, it is
18:41<llimeht>MrNaz: apt-file is your friend. /msg dpkg apt-file.
18:43<MrNaz>apt-file find killall returns nothing on my lenny box
18:43<llimeht>MrNaz: did you "apt-file update"?
18:44<llimeht>!apt-file
18:44<dpkg>rumour has it, apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate>
18:44<llimeht>(like dpkg told you to do!)
18:46<debnconfused>detect-cdrom/try-usb=true does not appear to be what I needed
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19:18<PovAddict>since Debian mirrors delete old packages immediately, can I make a proper archive structure from my cached .debs, so I can downgrade packages at will?
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19:23<raylu>it seems bitlbee still hasn't been updated for the new libc :(
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19:24<bzed>raylu: why should bitlbee need an update for that?
19:24<PovAddict>I'd like something that doesn't need manual interaction after new packages are available
19:25<PovAddict>some kind of local proxy that would give the illusion that debian mirrors don't delete old packages :)
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19:25<bzed>PovAddict: what I do in such cases are lvm snapshots of the mirror
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19:26<bzed>PovAddict: so you have a full snapshot of all packages at that day
19:26<bzed>PovAddict: the other option is to wait until snapshots.debian.org goes into production :)
19:26<PovAddict>I don't want all the packages available in the mirror (I don't have the bandwidth for that)
19:26<PovAddict>my problem now is that if I upgrade a package from 1.0 to 1.1, the 1.0 disappears from aptitude
19:26<spazztic665>how do i make a database on pixelize (debian lenny)
19:26<PovAddict>the .deb is still in my cache, and I can install it with dpkg -i, but that's a pain...
19:26<bzed>PovAddict: use apprx and make snapshots of its cache?
19:27<PovAddict>I am using approx
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19:27<bzed>PovAddict: you could create ne packages files on the files, but I'm not sure if one really wants to do that
19:27<PovAddict>yeah, ideally I'd like a proxy that can build a Packages file that lists the packages available in the mirrors *and* the old versions I have (and only the ones I have)
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19:28<PovAddict>I can't be the first one to need this :<
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19:28<raylu>bzed: because bitlbee: Depends: libc6 (< 2.10) but 2.10.1-5 is to be installed.
19:29<PovAddict>my bitlbee depends on libc6 (>2.10) and (<2.11)
19:29<raylu>i'm on testing. are you on unstable?
19:30<PovAddict>I'm on testing
19:30<raylu>wait...
19:30<bzed>wtf?
19:30<PovAddict>well, testing/unstable, pinned to testing; but I see only one version of that package
19:30<bzed>whats that for a weird libc6 dependency
19:30<PovAddict>namely 1.2.4-1+b1
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19:31<raylu>oh... i know what happened...
19:31<raylu>i installed lenny, then upgraded to sid
19:31<raylu>er, squeeze
19:31<raylu>there is a bitlbee package in lenny and sid for bitlbee, but not squeeze
19:32<PovAddict>it's *gone* in squeeze?
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19:32<sney>you can do a testing-unstable mix and bring it in from sid
19:32<raylu>yep. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=bitlbee&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search
19:32<raylu>sney: yeah, but i'm kinda hesitant to do that
19:32<sney>it's just the one package
19:32<PovAddict>bzed: is there really no straightforward way to do what I want?
19:32<sney>it won't break your whole system. the most it'll break is bitlbee
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19:32<raylu>by the way, how does one read the changelog for an upgrade?
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19:33<sney>sid and squeeze have a lot in common these days anyway
19:33<llimeht>!why is bitlbee not in testing
19:33<dpkg>bitlbee is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=bitlbee
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19:33<damiank>hi
19:33<sney>hi
19:34<raylu>i'd like to know what changes are in the sid version of bitlbee; how do i get it's changelog?
19:34<bzed>PovAddict: I know none, sorry
19:34<llimeht>sney: bitlbee is uninstallable in squeeze as it needs rebuilding for the new version of glibc.
19:34<bzed>raylu: the upstream changes?
19:35<PovAddict>un-installable, or uninstall-able?
19:35<sney>llimeht: even the one in sid? hrm. alright
19:35<raylu>bzed: either that or the changes in the deb i have
19:35<damiank>i dont use sid..
19:35<llimeht>judd depends bitlbee
19:35<judd>llimeht: bitlbee -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libevent1 (>= 1.3e), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgnutls26 (>= 2.4.0-0), adduser, net-tools, debconf (>= 1.2.0) | debconf-2.0, debianutils (>= 1.16)
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19:35<PovAddict>how many bots are in here?
19:35<sney>damiank: good! it's broken
19:35<PovAddict>doesn't dpkg give depends?
19:35<llimeht>PovAddict: in its own sweet time, yes
19:35<sney>judd is the ultimate debian database or something
19:35<judd>sney: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
19:36<PovAddict>judd: version
19:36<judd>PovAddict: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.3. The newest version available online is 0.83.4.1.
19:36<llimeht>sney: hmm... not that one, on other archs, it depend on libc6 << 2.10
19:36<bzed>see #551775 for the bitlebee weirdness - its using symbols marked as private....
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19:36<bzed>that's why it was removed from testing
19:36<llimeht>PovAddict: /msg dpkg judd
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19:37<sney>bitlbee is kind of a weird program though so unfortunately it's not likely there'll be a reasonable facsimile somewhere else. When upgrading to a testing dist, it helps to make sure none of the software you use has been ..altered
19:37<bzed>raylu: http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bitlbee.html
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19:39<raylu>apparently, the symbols are mismarked as private
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19:39<raylu>and the issue goes away when bitlbee is dynamically linked anyway
19:41<raylu>bzed: ooh, fixes the yahoo issue. ok, time to get the sid version
19:41<raylu>!tum
19:41<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
19:41<damiank>anyone knows what web design programs are available for gnome? im using kompozer now..
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19:43<abrotman>bluefish
19:44<damiank>thanks abrotman ill test it
19:45<goc>dammit
19:45<abrotman>damiank: not sure what kind of "web design" program you mean
19:45<abrotman>damiank: i think the one in iceape is still there
19:45<goc>debootstrap sucks bigtime. how can I make a new hdd bootablt to perform netinstall from there WITHOUT cdrom, usbstick and floppy?
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19:46<damiank>im searching for something like dreamweaver
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19:47<dr|z3d>damiank: Try Kompozer.
19:47<raylu>wait... what is the point of restarting the services before the libc6 upgrade? shouldn't you stop them, upgrade, then start them?
19:47<damiank>dr|z3d thats what im using now
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19:47<klando>goc: dd
19:47<goc>klando no, new install
19:48<damiank>i think the kompozer version that comes with lenny is a bit old
19:48<llimeht>goc: what makes you say that debootstrap can't do that?
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19:49<goc>llimeht you have to install much stuff by hand
19:50<llimeht>goc: such as? All I can think of is the boot loader.
19:50<acu>grigorashi - I installed squeeze and the web is dragging - I remembered I did disable something in Iceweasel - I forgot what and how - can anyone tell me again
19:50<PovAddict>dragging?
19:50<goc>llimeht and the kernel and configuration stuff
19:51<llimeht>goc: so "aptitude install linux-image-686 grub" is too much for you?
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19:52<acu>Iceweasel is extremely slow
19:52<acu>someone told me before to disable something - I forgot what - I just remember I did it in the browser itself
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19:52<goc>llimeht I don't know how to specify the drive I am on
19:52<goc>after chroot
19:52<goc>like grub-install ...?
19:53<llimeht>goc: that's not really debootstrap's fault though, is it?
19:53<goc>in netinstall, these things go automatically
19:53<PovAddict>debootstrap doesn't install a kernel
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19:54<llimeht>and you're choosing not to use it.... it's hardly the fault of the tool that you're choosing not to use something better suited to what you're doing.
19:54<llimeht>!fixgrub
19:54<dpkg>well, fixgrub is As root: mkdir /mnt/point ; mount -t <fstype> -orw /dev/blah /mnt/point (where /blah = your / partition) ; mount --bind /dev /mnt/point/dev ; mount --bind /proc /mnt/point/proc ; chroot /mnt/point ; grub-install /dev/blah (to install in MBR)
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19:54<overddose>hey guys.
19:54<llimeht>"this screwdriver is crap for hammering in nails, must be a shitting screwdriver"
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19:55<overddose>lolwut
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19:55<acu>poviaddict: any hints how to make iceweasel fast
19:55<overddose>hmm.
19:55<PovAddict>acu: smooth scrolling?
19:55<PovAddict>bbl
19:55<bzed>acu: purge it, use $other browser
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19:55<goc>"I can't manage hammering the nail with this screwdriver, so I request a hammer for this task"
19:55<overddose>brb
19:55<overddose>switching to debian
19:55<overddose><3
19:56<acu>bzed: is not about other browser - all do the same - is something which squueze is squeezing about- you have to disable something some config
19:56<llimeht>goc: That's right... and the netinstall is just over there --> but you choose not to use it and complain that debootstrap doesn't do everything automatically like the netinstall does.
19:57<kop>acu: I always disable flash.
19:58<goc># grub-install /dev/sdf
19:58<goc>grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdf. Check your device.map.
19:58<goc>(after fixgrub)
19:59<acu>if I go in iceweasel about:config - one of the setting should be off (or disable) and I fogote which one
19:59<overddose>who knows anything about porting windows programs to linux :/
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20:01<sney>overddose: porting? that is a huge pain in the ass unless it's some kind of POSIX console app
20:01<acu>overdose: I do not know - but I know you know about wine
20:01<overddose>i do
20:01<overddose><3
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20:01<acu>!tell overdose wine
20:01<acu>!tell overddose wine
20:01<overddose>but i have some custom mirc client that i would love to have about my debian system
20:01<sney>mirc works pretty well under wine
20:01<overddose>ok
20:02<overddose>but it doesn have an installation
20:02<overddose>and some added scripts
20:02<sney>it just unzips to a folder, right?
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20:02<overddose>yas
20:02<sney>under the standard wine install that would be ~/.wine/drive_c/mIRC or something similar
20:02<overddose>also
20:02<overddose>sney
20:02<sney>then you can just make yourself a shortcut that does wine ~/.wine/drive_c/mirc/mirc.exe
20:03<overddose>how do i get my laptops drive to show up in imgburn in wine
20:03<sney>why the heck are you using imgburn
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20:03<sney>there are a zillion perfectly fine cd/dvd burning programs in apt
20:04<sney>xfburn even behaves kind of like imgburn, and k3b is like an awesome fast free nero
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20:05<banished>well, it depends on the backend after all
20:06<goc>ok, can anyone tell me how I make a hdd bootable for netinstall WITHOUT cdrom, usbstick and floppy?
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20:07<banished>some distributions, including debian install a rather bad backend by default
20:07<petemc>goc: the install guide has info on using debootstrap
20:07<banished>it's called wodim
20:08<banished>you may want to use the original cdrtools instead (available in the grml repository http://deb.grml.org/)
20:08<sney>goc: you can't just magically summon debian to your system, there has to be install media of some sort, or just a livecd
20:08<goc>petemc debootstrap requires a lot of interaction, and it didn't work out here
20:08<petemc>it does work
20:08<goc>sney: I want the hdd to be the install media
20:08<banished>overddose:
20:09<sney>goc: hmm, like a recovery partition?
20:09<goc>yees
20:09<abrotman>banished: does that mean you have to put up with Joerg again?
20:09<overddose>well i need a burner that i can set the layerbreak in
20:09<banished>abrotman: what do you mean?
20:09<abrotman>apparently you don't even understand ..
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20:09<sney>you could probably put one of the usb-stick install images on a hard drive. syslinux should suffice as a bootloader
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20:10<btQuark>hello everybody
20:10<sney>you'd need to partition it first, and tweak the syslinux config, but it could probably be done
20:10<sney>I think
20:11<banished>abrotman: there are plenty of flaws in wodim
20:11<btQuark>indeed
20:11<abrotman>banished: and there are plenty of flaws in cdrtools .. what's your point?
20:11<btQuark>its virtually unmaintained and just recently we wasted almost a complete spindle of dvds
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20:12<btQuark>just due to bugs in that old fork, even new bugs that got introduced
20:12<banished>still lacks features like BluRay writing
20:12<damiank>i use GnomeBaker to write dvds..
20:12<btQuark>so i gracefully took the offer of grml (which is my favorite live-distro anyway) and got my original, current and fully licensed cdrtoools
20:13<llimeht>banished, btQuark: and if the upstream maintainer was someone that anyone could actually work with, debian would still use cdrecord instead.
20:13<btQuark>and all my issues magically dissapeard
20:13<abrotman>btQuark: good, do you have a Debian question ?
20:13<btQuark>llimeht: i emailed him on my issues and he actually was quite friendly and helpfull with it
20:13<abrotman>bull
20:14<btQuark>abrotman: bull what?
20:14<llimeht>btQuark: so the debian question that you actually joined to ask was... ?
20:14<acu>if I go in iceweasel about:config - one of the setting should be off (or disable) and I forgot which one
20:14<abrotman>btQuark: good, do you have a Debian question ?
20:14<btQuark>friendly people?
20:14<banished>llimeht: is it all about an argument between the debian maintainers and the maintainer of cdrtools?
20:14-!-simNIX [~simNIX@156-60.bbned.dsl.internl.net] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg]
20:14<banished>that's childish
20:14<sney>talking with people and working with them are two different things entirely. I've spoken with Joerg a few times myself and he was an alright fellow, but that doesn't mean he's reasonable to work with
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20:14<banished>recently SuSe considered switching back to cdrtools (http://lwn.net/Articles/346556/)
20:14<sney>in other news overddose, look up the k3b docs, it has many many features so it may have that one as well
20:14<abrotman>banished: do you have a Debian question or not?
20:14<btQuark>actually i just to came to maybe hang out with the makers of my favorite distro
20:15<sney>#debian is not for hanging out
20:15<btQuark>in expectance of friendly and cool people
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20:15<abrotman>so we're all done talking about cdrtools ?
20:15<btQuark>and maybe learning something new
20:15<sney>I'm not sure if there are many makers here, mostly just users
20:16<abrotman>sney: there are, they just don't talk much
20:16<sney>btQuark: idle and help with support. we are a fine place when we aren't arguing about silly things.
20:16<abrotman>you know .. cause they're busy making ..
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20:16<acu>I installed Squeeze on AMD64 - and Iceweasel is extremley slow - I remember I did before disable one of the configuration - in the browser about:config but I forgot what it was - can anyone remind me
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20:16<btQuark>sney: anyway the all use something that is non-cdrtools as a backend which equals wasted dvd-spindles, at least at my site currently
20:17<simonrvn>acu: htf should we know what you did?
20:17<abrotman>anyways ...
20:17<btQuark>and if i can have the choice of cdrtools or wodim, i'll select what works best for me - and thats what the grml repo offers
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20:17<llimeht>btQuark: right... so you only look like a troll and act like a troll, you're not actually a troll.
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20:17<sney>I've had no bad results with it personally. and if you run off a few coasters, shouldn't you stop before you waste the whole spindle? "this isn't working so I'm going to keep doing it" is not logical behaviour
20:17<abrotman>btQuark: If you need Debian help, ask .. otherwise, be quiet
20:17<llimeht>btQuark: if you want to ramble on about cdrtools, please go to #debian-offtopic
20:17<simonrvn>sney: no kidding, heh
20:18<acu>simonrvn: one of you guys told me what to disable - if any of you use Squeeze on AMD you would have faced the same problem and solve it by disabling one of the function
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20:18*simonrvn sighs
20:18<sney>acu: if you find out, let me know what it is as well, I don't use iceweasel primarily but I had noticed the same issue
20:18<sney>(though I figured it was just my continued bad luck with the firefox)
20:18<llimeht>acu: can you give us a clue what sort of thing it was?
20:19<btQuark>sney: well if you have a task at hand that needs to get done, you
20:19<sney>keep doing it even though it is clearly not working. yes.
20:19<abrotman>there is a general.smoothScroll
20:19*sney stops
20:19<btQuark>ll probably try to get it done, and there were really quite some hours wasted on google between wasting the dvds
20:19<abrotman>btQuark: STOP
20:19<btQuark>its not the we just wasted them dvd after dvd...
20:20<acu>in iceweasel if you type: about:config you get everything under the sun configured - one of that setting should be off - I do not remember it
20:20<abrotman>acu: general.smoothScrolling ?
20:20<sney>your off-topic discussion has been stolen by ninjas. are you a bad enough dude to take it to #debian-offtopic?
20:20<acu>Ohh - I think I remember - something with ipv6
20:20<abrotman>ipv6 breaks scrolling ?
20:20<klando>sney: :)
20:21<abrotman>acu: yes .. you disabled ipv6 lookups or something like that
20:21<sney>abrotman: I don't see anything about scrolling.
20:21<abrotman>sney: someone else must have mentioned it .. i just merged them :)
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20:22<mewtwo>Hi, is it possible to create a BluRay disc with k3b my standalone BluRay player can play?
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20:22<mewtwo>I'm better asking before gettina a writer
20:22<abrotman>really? is all of .de coming to troll tonight ?
20:23<llimeht>seems so
20:23<btQuark>hey, he just asked a question
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20:23<sney>we're being annexed, like poland
20:23<llimeht>heh
20:23<mewtwo>?
20:23<sney>mewtwo: that question is probably better suited to the k3b channel, which is probably on freenode but dpkg doesn't seem to know
20:23<btQuark>its not his fault that there not the matching software for this in debian due to nasty political/social issues
20:23*llimeht wonders if #schillware is going strong tonight.
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20:24<mewtwo>oO
20:24<abrotman>btQuark: please go troll somewhere else
20:24<acu>sney et al. I goooooooooooot it - it was IPV6 dns should not be enabled
20:24<sney>acu: ah groovy
20:24<abrotman>mewtwo: which version of Debian are you using?
20:24<mewtwo>lenny
20:24<abrotman>mewtwo: ask #debian-kde if this is possible with that version
20:25<simonrvn>acu: i'll keep that in mind ;)
20:25<acu>network.dns.disableIPv6;true
20:25<acu>about:config in Iceweasel
20:25<mewtwo>abrotman: I don't have to use k3b, I just thought this would be most convenient cause I'm using a KDE desktop
20:26<Meths>acu: hmmm, interesting it still shows up, a quick google showed that setting too but from 2008. Obviously not hitting enough people to get widely noticed and fixed.
20:26<abrotman>mewtwo: i still don't have a bluray burner to ahve tried this
20:27<acu>Meths: I installed squeeze in 4 computers all AMD 64s and I had to do it for all in order to have decent speed on iceweasel
20:28<damiank>be back in a while...
20:28<mewtwo>abrotman: google sais growisofs and cdrtools should do the job
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20:30<abrotman>mewtwo: so try it .. i still don't have a bluray burner to try .. or read the documentation and see what it says
20:31<abrotman>mewtwo: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/how-to-burn-a-blu-ray-disk-from-a-debian-iso-image-712870/
20:31<mewtwo>still don't have one either, just asking in advance
20:31<abrotman>mewtwo: that URL says it is possible
20:31<sney>and if you can't do it right away, you will be able to
20:32<sney>this sort of thing is always advancing
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20:32<abrotman>maybe the troll should have tried google ...
20:32<mewtwo>which troll?
20:33<abrotman>not you
20:33<llimeht>(there are so many to choose from)
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20:34<mewtwo>still I'm a bit confised about the wikipedia entry - is growisofs able to burn on it's own or does it use cdrkit or cdrtools?
20:35<abrotman>i just gave you a URL .. go read it
20:36<mewtwo>abrotman: the urls sais :-[ CLOSE SESSION failed with SK=5h/INVALID FIELD IN CDB]: Input/output error"
20:36<abrotman>that's not what it says
20:36<sney>growisofs does its own thing directly to the disk
20:36<sney>ah yes, the ol' "my leg is working fine so I don't believe yours is broken" chestnut
20:37<mewtwo>ok, than thank you, I'll try it
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21:28<marcos26>jejeje
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21:34<marga>Hi! I've updated my kernel, and made some other changes that I didn't track too well, and now I can't get my computer to play the audio that comes through the line-in jack. It's a "Intel Corporation 82801G". What can I do to recover the line-in input?
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22:14<goodger_>marga: check alsamixer
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22:23<jpinx-eeepc>!alsa checklist
22:23<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
22:23<jpinx-eeepc>marga: ^^
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22:42*g0d1anier is starving
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22:45<lock>How to: Install KDE 4 . > backtrack 4>?
22:46<abrotman>lock: ask the backtrack people, this isn't the channel for that
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23:11<PovAddict>how do I query for debtags?
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23:18<faheem>!debtags
23:18<dpkg>debtags is, like, http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/, or a great system for package searching, or apt-cache show debtags, or the way to go!, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebTags
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23:18<faheem>PovAddict: nothing useful here?
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23:20<PovAddict>how good is the tags DB?
23:20<faheem>dunno
23:20<PovAddict>are there really that few C++ libraries for XML? :P
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23:27<silvering>hi guys
23:27<silvering>how to upgrade xfce to 4.6 ?
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23:28<craigevil>silvering: backports has xfce 4.6
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23:29<silvering>isnt it graphical?
23:30<silvering>my current 4.4 is a complete mess
23:31<silvering>will it be with all by default after upgrade?
23:31<PovAddict>no
23:31<PovAddict>just delete your config files
23:32<silvering>~/.config ?
23:32<PovAddict>wherever xfce stores stuff
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23:50*PovAddict is now debtagging :P
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