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00:12<icezone>hello
00:12<icezone>anybody here?
00:12<PovAddict>!ask
00:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
00:12<icezone>i am a newer
00:13<icezone>just want to have a try
00:13<icezone>a new way to chat
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00:14<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic
00:15<icezone>oh ,i am sorry
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01:57<tony>hello, does anyone know why mplayer -vo xv will not work?
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01:58<tonyd>hello, does anyone know why mplayer -vo xv will not work?
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01:59<tonyd>mplayer -vo x11 will work if I use zoom, but I want to use xv. I am using lenny my video card is a mobility radeon 7500, I have 3d rendering
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02:06<tonyd>hello, does anyone know why mplayer -vo xv will not work in lenny with a mobility radeon 7500?
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02:08<tonyd>hello, does anyone know why mplayer -vo xv will not work in lenny with a mobility radeon 7500?
02:10<goodger>tonyd: if nobody replied the first four times they're not going to now
02:11<tonyd>There are 362 people in this room and nobody is saying anything? I can't get help from at least one person?
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02:12<tonyd>Where can I go to get help with this issue? I have been working on it for 2 days
02:13<tonyd>Lots of people with the same problem it seems, but no solutions that work for me
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02:14<Nemoder>why do you need to use xv?
02:15<goodger>tonyd: there are 359 idlers, you, me and Nemoder, at a time when Europe is only just waking up and North America is asleep
02:16<tonyd>Because I understand it is better than x11 for playing video, and am I on a europe server?
02:16<Nemoder>tonyd: see if -vo sdl or -vo gl works
02:17<jm_>which driver are you using for x11?
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02:17<tonyd>The default in lenny, I have not configured anything because it is suppossed to use radeon by default
02:18<jm_>how about you verify instead?
02:19<tonyd>how do I do that?
02:19<jm_>grep _drv /var/log/Xorg.*.log
02:20<tonyd>and gl works, what is the difference between that and x11? I have to run mplayer from command line because in the gui, fullscreen resizes the window and not the video. I have to use zoom from command line to make it full screen
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02:21<tonyd>radeon
02:21<Nemoder>tonyd: I prefer sdl if I need proper scaling
02:21<jm_>so all is fine and man page claims it supports xv extension
02:21<tonyd>sdl gives me sound but no video same as xv
02:22<Nemoder>does it give an error in the console?
02:22<tonyd>none at all
02:23<tonyd>well, it says movie aspect is undefined no scaling applied
02:24<tonyd>none of the other movie players will play video, just the sound. It is an avi file, I have tried several, and I have the win32 codecs installed
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02:26<Nemoder>maybe it can't determine aspect, you could try to specify width/height though I would test with other movie files first
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02:27<tonyd>why does it work with gl and x11 and no others? Is there something I need to specifically add to xorg.conf?
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02:28<tonyd>to make xv or sdl work?
02:28<tonyd>I found a whole page on radeon driver options
02:28<jm_>it should work by default, did you try mplayer from ddm?
02:28<jm_>dmm even
02:28<tonyd>what is ddm?
02:28<tonyd>or dmm
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02:29<Nemoder>!tell tonyd -about dmm
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02:31<tonyd>oh, I have that added to my repositories and I have mplayer and voc and win32 codecs installed.
02:31<jm_>yes but hs mplayer is a different package
02:32<jm_>his too
02:32<jm_>this will show you which one is installed: dpkg -s mplayer
02:32<jm_>look at maintainer/version
02:32<tonyd>mplayer will play with x11, but full screen will not resize the video, I have to use zoom, and it only works from command line cause I can't use zoom in the gui, I don't know how, so it stays small, and it will work with gl, with zoom from command line. All other vo options results in sound no video and all other players do the same
02:34<tuv>tonyd: what does xvinfo tell you?
02:35<tonyd>http://pastebin.com/m713d1e65
02:36<tonyd>and here is xvinfo: http://pastebin.com/maaebd94
02:37<tuv>tonyd: and what does 'mplayer -vo xv <videofile>' say/complain about?
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02:38<jm_>both look fine to me
02:39<tonyd>here: http://pastebin.com/m5056c839
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02:40<tuv>tonyd: with audio and no video too?\
02:41<tonyd>yes
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02:42<tuv>tonyd: looks like some other program is reserving the video hardware. sometimes compositing window managers (e.g. compiz) have that effect
02:43<tuv>or maybe a zombie mplayer process
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02:45<tonyd>I have xfce installed, but I had the same issue with gnome and kde so I am not sure
02:45<tonyd>how can I fix it?
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02:49<tonyd>I believe there is a compositing windows manager in xfce that makes all my windows pretty and partially transparent. If I switch to metacity and try it will that resolve the issue if that is it?
02:49<jm_>worth trying I suppose
02:49<jm_>or simply switch to another renderer in mplayer
02:49<jm_>not renderer but vo mode
02:49<tonyd>or what if I run my session as a shell and try from there?
02:49<tuv>metacity can be configured to use compositing too. make sure it's disabled (you can tell by the look of the window switcher)
02:49<tonyd>well the only one that works is x11 and gl which is better
02:50<tuv>gl
02:50<jm_>just use sdl or gl I guess
02:50<tonyd>sdl does the same as xv
02:50<tonyd>but gl works just fine lol
02:50<tuv>sdl is a front end that can use many backends, the first of which is xv
02:51<tonyd>I did a google search and this problem is in a bunch of bug reports, but no solution yet it seems
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02:51<tonyd>so how do I stop it from using xv?
02:52<jm_>edit ~/.mplayer/config
02:52<jm_>put in xv=gl
02:52<jm_>uhh vo=gl
02:52<tonyd>I meant sdl
02:53<jm_>man page explains it, VIDEO OUTPUT DRIVERS section
02:54<tonyd>so, does that fix the problem with the gui version too, or do I need to edit gui.conf
02:55<jm_>hmm not sure, I never use that one, but probably use gui.conf
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02:56<jm_>although starting gmplayer I can see it reads config file too
02:57<tonyd>change vo_driver to gl, hope it works! can I run gmplayer in xfce if I set xfce to load gnome files at startup?
02:57<tonyd>maybe that is my solution!
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03:04<tonyd>where do I get gmplayer, I think I was thinking kmplayer lol or did you mean gui mplayer?
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03:17<Mauro>how do i install .tar files?
03:18<dbldtx>.tar is an archive, much like a .rar or .zip only not called the same thing, and opened with a different program.
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03:18<dbldtx>Mauro; Try *:$ man untar
03:18<Mauro>dbldtx im trying to install ndiswrapper and when i type in make i get an error
03:19<dbldtx>Nevermind, it's man tar
03:19<dbldtx>tar -x?? *.tar
03:19<dbldtx>The x stands for extraction.
03:19<Mauro>/bin/sh: scripts/mod/modpost: No such file or directory
03:19<Mauro>make[3]: *** [__modpost] Error 127
03:19<Mauro>make[2]: *** [modules] Error 2
03:19<Mauro>make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.21'
03:19<Mauro>make[1]: *** [modules] Error 2
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03:20<dbldtx>That's not a problem installing a .tar file - the answer to your QUESTION is as follows: "You cannot install a .tar file, it is an archive".
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03:20<dbldtx>OH how sad, and he missed out on the answer.
03:20<dbldtx>That's not a problem installing a .tar file - the answer to your QUESTION is as follows: "You cannot install a .tar file, it is an archive".
03:21<musix_new_user>sorry i forgot to put .gz its actually .tar.gz
03:21<goodger>musix_new_user: you don't have the linux headers installed. further, you should probably be installing ndiswrapper from debian's repositories rather than from source
03:22<musix_new_user>how do i install the linux headers?
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03:22<goodger>they're present in debian's APT repositories
03:23<dbldtx>Mauro, use a paste website... paste error into vim, take a screenshot, crop this in gimp and invert colors so it's black on white instead of white on black, then upload it using imageshack.us -- that method is preferred to pasting directly into channel.
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03:24<musix_new_user>oh ok thanks goodger
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03:24<musix_new_user>and thanks dbldtx
03:24<goodger>musix_new_user: as is ndiswrapper, so you shouldn't need to compile it yourself
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03:24<musix_new_user>Its cuz i want to learn how to compile it and install
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03:25<dbldtx>When I run a standard *:$ who on my system, it tells me that user doubledutch is :0, pts/0, pts/3, pts/4 what is this telling me? It makes me mad inside my head.
03:26<goodger>musix_new_user: the package's build instructions will have full details, but usually, one installs its build dependencies, then runs the supplied configure script, then runs make, then make install as root
03:26<musix_new_user>I have another problem with mysql-server when connecting to server it fails and wont let me install programs using apt
03:26<gsimmons>musix_new_user: Please note that Musix GNU/Linux is not supported here. Ask for support in #musix on irc.freenode.net instead.
03:27<musix_new_user>ok
03:27<musix_new_user>thanks
03:28<dbldtx>There's nobody in that chat room, it may be easier to do a fresh Debian install immediately.
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03:28<musix_new_user>reinstall musix?
03:28<dbldtx>No no no
03:29<dbldtx>I was half-way joking that instead of going to #musix on freenode, you should do a re-install right this instant of Debian, and then come back and ask the same question
03:30<dbldtx>half-way
03:30<simonrvn>dbldtx: :0 is x; pts/* is where you have an open login shell
03:30<dbldtx>Sorry - I should not joke or kid, this is a support channel
03:30<dbldtx>Simonrvn; OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
03:31<musix_new_user>ok
03:31<dbldtx>Simonrvn; I saw something that suggested that but I was very confused considering something my friend here was telling me - thank you.
03:32<simonrvn>you can get a canoeload of info from simple commands, just gotta know how to read it
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03:33<dbldtx>But you have to use pipes, sed, awk, and scripts to get enough canoeloads of information to be able to say that you now can get boatloads?
03:34<dbldtx>I mean, I like Linux...
03:34<dbldtx>...but I don't think I could eat a whole one.
03:34<Mauro>Mauro is my nick name
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03:35<dbldtx>Completely obvious... but more important than what I am posting to the channel. Goodnight all.
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03:58<watakushi>Good afternoon to all awake members
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04:01<watakushi>I have a sort of problem; I have been using Debian for a while, all 3 development branches- stable, testing and unstable and while I am after stability, there are some design problems
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04:03<watakushi>Since on my home machine I use stable, this is my question: Is there a way to have a stable debian, which will not only fix security bugs - like in lenny- but also usability apps problems, such as upstream, which enters sid, but not reaking the whole system
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04:03<Nemoder>!backports
04:03<dpkg>[backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
04:04<watakushi>Nemoder, I've always been using backports
04:04<watakushi>but it doesn't solve it
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04:04<watakushi>for instance
04:04<Nemoder>that is as close as you'll get. trying to pull actual sid packages will in turn pull everything they depend on in sid (the whole system)
04:04<watakushi>KDE Lenny backports aren't that much usable
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04:05<djdarkman>hello, I have installed Lenny, how can I get new stuff(GNOME,KDE and other applications) without needing to upgrade everything? if I upgrade X my videocard will become useless
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04:06<watakushi>Then I should either switch distributions, which will be a pain for me, or I should compile by hand
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04:07<Nemoder>or wait for the next stable release if stability is more important to you than having the latest apps
04:08<watakushi>Nemoder, what will I be doing with several semi-working kde3 apps by then?
04:08<watakushi>After latest lenny kde updates(security)
04:08<watakushi>konqueror crashes
04:09<watakushi>kmail won't work with gmail
04:09<watakushi>juk loads 2-3 minutes
04:09<djdarkman>aren't there repositories for just GNOME, KDE and that sort of stuff?
04:09<watakushi>kghostview crashes every 5-6 pdfs
04:10<Nemoder>if backports are causing problems then report bugs to them
04:10<watakushi>No backports, stock kde3; kde4.1 in bp isn't usable
04:11<Nemoder>djdarkman: no, desktop environments depend on many things in the system, they aren't standalone apps
04:12<watakushi>djdarkman: backports should referesh some things for you, but don't expect the ;latest and greatest
04:12<Nemoder>watakushi: well you can still report bugs for stable but many probably wont be fixed until the next stable release
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04:13<Nemoder>I run testing myself and have few problems with it, I think it's better suited to desktop use
04:13<watakushi>Nemoder: That is the problem
04:13<watakushi>Testing?
04:13<Nemoder>"squeeze" is in testing to become the next stable
04:14<watakushi>It suffers the same curse as stable: bugs are not eliminated in timely manner
04:14<watakushi>I know
04:14<watakushi>using debian for 2 years now
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04:15<Nemoder>bug reports for testing are usually fixed pretty quickly, although it can take some time to come down from sid
04:15<Nemoder>but they are usually close enough that you can pull a sid package in a pinch
04:15<djdarkman>but what do I do if my pidgin is so old that it suffers that yahoo protocol problem?
04:16<watakushi>djdarkman: if it were 1 program, I would compile
04:16<watakushi>Nemoder: you suggest mixed system?
04:16<Nemoder>my understanding is a lot of that stuff should be part of volatile but I don't know how much of it is
04:17<Nemoder>watakushi: only to people who know how to solve potential problems with it
04:17<watakushi>Well the deb site isn't sissy
04:17<Nemoder>just saying what I do
04:17<djdarkman>watakushi: that's what I'm trying to do, but ohhh yeah, it's stuck on some gstreamer stuff, now that's something I would like to avoid compiling as much as possible
04:18<watakushi>djdarkman: there should be a bin in backports
04:18<gsimmons>djdarkman: Either use the pidgin version available from backports.org, or '/msg dpkg pidgin yahoo' regarding the workaround.
04:19<Nemoder>I've yet to find a working yahoo transport for lenny's jabberd :/
04:19<watakushi>Nemoder: But volatile is for server apps
04:20<Nemoder>seems that way
04:20<Nemoder>I imagine any program that has to connect to a proprietary network isn't given much precedence
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04:23<watakushi>Nemoder: In my experience, most testing problems can be solved by using the latest sid packages
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04:23<watakushi>But what if the problem is in an important lib?
04:23<Nemoder>then it's back to compiling form source
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04:23<Nemoder>or just waiting
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04:50<twb>Anyone able to help with LXC?
04:50<twb>I ran the example lxc-sshd, and created a virtual machine "rama".
04:50<twb>"lxc-execute -n rama /usr/sbin/sshd" complains:
04:50<twb>lxc-execute: failed to attach 'veth0_16531' to the bridge 'br0'
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05:04<twb>I think I just need to install bridge-utils
05:04<twb>Nope
05:04<mdik>hi
05:05<mdik>someone with experience in bug 555463 (libc6 failing to upgrade) here?
05:06<mdik>the workaround doesn't work for me because there is no string "-query" anywhere in my /var/lib/dpkg/info* :/
05:06<mdik>though the error-message is the same...
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05:43<TCW>salut
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05:44<twb>mdik: it's info/libc*
05:44<TCW>does one remember how much the HP Laserjet 4050[dtn] did cost once? Should be around 2000, so nearly 10 years ago...
05:44<twb>mdik: not info*, which is the same as info, i.e. the directory
05:44<mdik>twb: sorry, i forgot the slash
05:45<twb>mdik: when I found it on an Ubuntu Karmic system, there was a -query and --query fixed it
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05:47<mdik>twb: yeah, i know. but there is no "-query" to fix to be found ...
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05:48<TCW>mdik, twb, still the libc6 bug in sid about a malformed pre/post script?
05:48<TCW>+inst
05:48<mdik>oui
05:49<TCW>mdik, exact error message please
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05:49<mdik>gimme a sec to paste...
05:50<TCW>we just had that issue yesterday on IRCNet, I think I know / remember enough to help fix it :)
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05:55<twb>mdik: you did grep -- -query, and NOT grep -query?
05:55<jm_>:)
05:55<twb>grep -query will give you a false negative, obviously
05:56<mdik>http://pastebin.com/m754c77a0
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05:56<mdik>i grepped for "query"
05:56<twb>mdik: that's a different error
05:56<mdik>ok
05:57<TCW>mdik, wrong error... aptitude install libc6 please
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05:57<jm_>you should not touch side if you can't figure this out
05:57<mdik>TCW: sorry, but it WAS this error. until i scratched the wound to much... ;)
05:57<twb>jm_: eh?
05:58<twb>Oh, "sid"
05:58<jm_>yeah sorry sid
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05:58<twb>mdik: I agree with jm_
05:58<mdik>ok. now i got the correct error. gimme a second
05:58<TCW>we all agree with jm_, but nevertheless it is fixable and so at least we can try to help :)
05:59<jm_>not quite
05:59<jm_>!sid
05:59<dpkg>i guess sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>.
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05:59<jm_>should use !unstable
05:59<jm_>where it says not supported here
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06:00<mdik>http://pastebin.com/m6c947f5b
06:01<mdik>ok
06:01<TCW>jm_, but he uses "sid", nothing about "not supported" in its Bot description, so... :p
06:01<mdik>i googled it, found bugreport 555463 and tried to fix it the way message #25 described
06:01<mdik>but there ist no -query to fix in /var/lib/dpkg/info
06:01<mdik>anywhere
06:02<TCW>subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 100 <- so first, it is "libc6.preinst" you should have a look, right?
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06:04<TCW>mdik, so now please: grep -n -- "-query" /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.preinst
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06:04<TCW>better: grep -n -- " -query" /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.preinst
06:05<TCW>116: invoke-rc.d -query ${service} start ; status=$? <- it should return this one
06:05<TCW>mdik, please tell me if that is true
06:05<themill>This is all in the BTS and a sid user should already have looked there
06:06<jm_>he did look :)
06:06<themill>(and the BTS has the solution)
06:06<TCW>themill, but obvioulsly he had trouble getting it fixed with the BTS infos, so?
06:06<themill>So don't use sid.
06:07<TCW>yeah... normal policy, Don't use sid, I agree. He should really consider not using sid... but anyway I don't think trying to help here does hurt much
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06:07<mdik>15: local old_md5sum="$(dpkg-query -W -f='${Conffiles}' $PKGNAME | \
06:07<mdik>270: if [ -e /lib/tls/$i ] && ! dpkg-query -L libc6 2>/dev/null | grep -q /lib/tls/$i ; then
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06:08<TCW>mdik, go to the package cache /var/cache/apt/archives/ or similar
06:08<TCW>I don't remember the exact path, search
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06:09<TCW>damn it, it was the right path anyway :)
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06:09<mdik>what do i want there?
06:10<mdik>dpkg -i somepackage?
06:10<dpkg>package somepackage is already installed
06:10<TCW>mdik, just haveing a look what exact versions and files are there. Do: ls -l libc6*
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06:10<mdik>libc6_2.10.1-6_i386.deb
06:11<TCW>mdik, just this one?
06:11<jm_>his paste includes versions ...
06:11<TCW>jm_, I know
06:11<mdik>-dev and -i686, too
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06:12<TCW>jm_, the thing is... I did NOT stumble across this bug, and I try to figure out why. sid here too, type in the preinst file too, but the bug did not hit me.
06:12<TCW>s/type/typo/
06:12<TCW>mdik, use a paste service and paste everything :)
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06:14<mdik>/var/cache/apt/archives# ls -l libc6*
06:14<mdik>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3820000 2009-11-09 13:02 libc6_2.10.1-6_i386.deb
06:14<mdik>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4732288 2009-11-09 13:02 libc6-dev_2.10.1-6_i386.deb
06:14<mdik>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1179250 2009-11-09 13:02 libc6-i686_2.10.1-6_i386.deb
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06:15*dr|z3d presumes the "m" is silent.
06:15<TCW>mdik, paste service?
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06:15<mdik>yeah, sorry
06:16<TCW>mdik, waiting
06:18<mdik>http://pastebin.com/m404a6f9e
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06:20<drazel>hello
06:20<TCW>mdik, please dpkg -l libc6 (paste service again)
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06:21<mdik>http://pastebin.com/m1250fa98
06:22<twb>lxc still doesn't want to work for me.
06:22<twb>I'm trying to create a toy virtual host that just runs dropbear
06:23<twb>"lxc-execute -n rama ip addr" works, but "lxc-execute -n rama /usr/sbin/dropbear" fails silently with error code 139
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06:24<jm_>139 = SIGSEGV
06:24<twb>Hm.
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06:24<jm_>does it have all the stuff it needs? keys?
06:25<twb>Time to strace, I reckon
06:25<mdik>where the hell is invoke-rc.d called?
06:25<TCW>mdik, hum.... unpack libc6_2.10.1-6_i386.deb in a temporary folder please
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06:25<mdik>and where does it get its "-query" from?
06:25<jm_>in 2.10 preinst obviously
06:25<twb>mdik: plonk
06:25<TCW>mdik, follow me, and you will see soon
06:26<mdik>ok
06:26<mdik>some oil in jm_'s unstable-denying fire: .debs are .tar.gzs, right?
06:26<twb>jm_: I would try debootstrapping, but I'm actually doing this on an embedded system and I don't have space to debootstrap :-P
06:26<twb>It's the only host I control with >= 2.6.29 :-(
06:27<TCW>mdik, wrong
06:27<mdik>ok, ill figure it out...
06:27<TCW>mdik, how long do you use sid?
06:27<jm_>dpkg has an option to unpack
06:27<dpkg>jm_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
06:28<mdik>some years
06:28<TCW>mdik, somewhat wierd :)
06:28<twb>jm_: hm, lxc-executing pwd works, but it also exits with 139
06:28<mdik>but this sort of stuff is somewhat new to me :D
06:28<twb>strace has a bunch of sendto(1, "\0\0\0\0rama\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 4104, 0, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path=@"lxc-monitor"}, 110) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused)
06:28<TCW>mdik, hint: try ar -x libc6....deb
06:29<jm_>twb: interesting, does it show if it's a genuine exit(139) or segfault before it?
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06:29<twb>"strace -eexit -f lxc-execute -n rama pwd" doesn't show any hits
06:30<twb># strace -eexit -f lxc-execute -n rama pwd Process 9300 attached (waiting for parent) Process 9300 resumed (parent 9299 ready) syscall: unknown syscall trap 0x0f000000 [pid 9300] ????( <unfinished ...> Process 9300 detached /
06:30<twb>(unwrapping the output because I'm too lazy to pastebin)
06:30<jm_>do you see anything more useful without -eexit?
06:31<twb>Hmph!
06:31<twb># strace -f lxc-execute -n rama pwd |& grep exit ==> exit_group(139) = ?
06:33<jm_>je look a bit above that
06:33<mdik>TCW: i think i got it...
06:33<twb>Oh, progress
06:33<TCW>mdik, got what? Problem solved?
06:33<twb>"lxc-execute -n rama -- dropbear --help" gives me the dropbear help
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06:33<mdik>now i do dpkg --unpack libc6_... fix the broken file and the do the --configure --install stuff, right?
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06:34<TCW>mdik, apart you are missing something, right :)
06:34<twb>Hm! *sometimes* "lxc-execute -n rama -- /bin/sh -c pwd" doesn't print anything.
06:34<mdik>good that i tried to reassure... what is it?
06:35<mdik>what did i miss, TCW?
06:35<TCW>mdik, I'd say, unpack deb package, fix contents, re-pack contents to a deb-package, install deb-package... and as a sid user, have fun reading the documentation about how to do that ;)
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06:35<azeem>no need to repack IMO
06:35<TCW>azeem, shhhh!
06:35<azeem>just upgrade to -7 once it's uploaded
06:36<twb>TCW: IMO it'd be better and easier to just reinstall squeeze ;-P
06:36<azeem>aurel32 just committed the hppa stack fix, so it should be uploaded soon
06:37<TCW>twb, maybe... but just maybe mdik will be the future sid user that makes the difference ;)
06:38<mdik>maybe
06:38<TCW>Wasn't there a "how to master sid" user guide somwhere?
06:38<TCW>apart from the new maintainers guide
06:39<twb>If there is, it probably applies to pre-sarge sid
06:39<mdik>http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg62661.html
06:40<mdik>please note the time stamp
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06:41<TCW>mdik, so what? :)
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06:42<twb>What are "File POSIX Capabilities", and do I need to do anything with them other than run a stock kernel, where they're turned on?
06:43<napoly>hello.. I would like to install newer xserver-xorg-video-intel cuz the one I have now does not support my laptop lenovo x200 with integrated intel graphic.. so I changed the repositories to unstable.. and tried to upgrade.. it wont work cuz xvideo-xorg-core has to be upgraded also.. but when I mark it for upgrade it fails.. I'm REALLY lost.. how can I make my graphic card driver to work??
06:43<TCW>mdik, the thing is... sid is a debian dev distro, the issue you are having right now is a bug in a debian package (belongs to the stuff that is developed there, obviously), so if one uses sid, he should know it's way around the dev stuff ON TOP of the normal stuff
06:43<twb>napoly: "how can I make my graphic card driver to work" -- use the VESA driver
06:43<napoly>VESA driver??
06:44<twb>napoly: vesa is the fallback driver, which should work with everything made since 1998
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06:44<twb>napoly: I think you have a GMA 500 which is not really Intel, but actually PowerVR
06:45<twb>napoly: they aren't supported yet, because PowerVR are assholes
06:45<napoly>twb: check this article http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Debian_on_an_X200
06:45<TCW>PowerVR does still exist?
06:45<mdik>TCW: well, four years and i never needed to. actually i even did make my own packages, but it was never necessary for me to dive into this whole installation-process itself
06:45<twb>TCW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA#GMA_500
06:45<TCW>mdik, so you see what GREAT work the devs have done up to today :)
06:45<napoly>twb: when I tried the 'squeeze' version of debian.. the drivers did work..
06:46<mdik>but you cant imagine how grateful i am, that i got help. thank you :)
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06:46<twb>napoly: if it worked, why did you mess with it?
06:47<napoly>twb: because there were lots of other bugs with it.. power management.. wifi... and so on.. just so much.. i would like to stick with lenny if possible
06:47<twb>napoly: oh, sorry, I thought you upgraded from squeeze to sid
06:48<napoly>twb: from lenny to squeeze
06:48<mdik>TCW: that's the reason i use unstable... because it's so fucking stable and i dont have to deal with all this backporting-stuff
06:48<twb>napoly: yeah, that's not a GMA 500. I was confused, ignore me.
06:49<napoly>twb: no problem..
06:49<napoly>ARE HERE ANYONE WITH LENOVO X200?????????
06:49<TCW>mdik, wrong reason to use sid imho
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06:50<twb>I think the reason to use sid is because you are unemployed and want to spend all day fixing bugs
06:50<koollman>or you are employed to spend all day fixing bugs, too ;)
06:50<mdik>well argue with the person i was back then, when i started ;) maybe i would choose otherwise nowadays, but...
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06:53<mdik>twb: the point is i hardly stumble upon bugs in sid... i have no clue why it hit me now ;)
06:53<twb>mdik: you obviously are not trying hard enough
06:53<AngryDrake>Hello. I downloaded me a debian-503-i386-netinst.iso and am trying to install that on a Virtual PC 2004. It crashes almost immediately after I select 'Install'. Can anyone help me with this?
06:53<twb>AngryDrake: virtualpc crashes?
06:54<AngryDrake>Yep.
06:54<AngryDrake>Unrecoverable error.
06:54<twb>AngryDrake: is virtualpc based on qemu?
06:54<AngryDrake>I don't know.
06:54<koollman>well,ask your virtualpc vendor
06:54*AngryDrake goes ask Microsoft. :P
06:54<mdik>did you check te iso, AngryDrake? md5sum-wise?
06:54<twb>qemu routinely segfaults for me on many d-i builds
06:54<twb>And many virtualization projects are using IP stolen from qemu
06:55<AngryDrake>mdik: I did not. I will now... it may take a moment.
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06:56<mdik>ok. now that i think about it: did anyone here _ever_ stumbled upon a broken iso?
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06:56<jm_>sure
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06:57<AngryDrake>Where do I find the correct checksum for it?
06:57<AngryDrake>I downloaded it via BT.
06:57<jm_>!check iso
06:57<jm_>!check iso image
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06:57<dpkg>To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD image, see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the iso image on the mirror.
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06:59<AngryDrake>It checks out.
06:59<AngryDrake>What's the next step?
06:59<twb>jm_: progress!
06:59<twb># lxc-execute --name rama -- dropbear -F -E
06:59<twb>[2] Nov 12 11:58:57 premature exit: couldn't open random device
06:59<jm_>twb: ahh much more useful
07:00<jm_>so the ISO is not the problem then, did you use the right architecture?
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07:00<AngryDrake>The Wikipedia article on VPC2004 speaks not of qemu, so I'm guessing it's not based on that.
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07:01<AngryDrake>jm_: What architecture should I set it to? (Nevermind the how, which is another problem.)
07:01<jm_>well we can't help you with virtualpc itself, it's off topic here
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07:02<jm_>AngryDrake: well not set to, you just need to use the right ISO, i.e. x86 or amd64 if VPC allows it
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07:05<AngryDrake>Hmm. I'm going to check what it allows. So far, I've only installed various incarnations of Windows on it, and it also seems to support OS/2.
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07:05<jm_>it's rather surprising it crashes immediately - that's where syslinux or grub or whatever would run, nothing fancy there
07:06<AngryDrake>Almost immediately. I get about three lines of text in, and then BAM.
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07:06<AngryDrake>Takes all of one second.
07:06<twb>AngryDrake: try booting the netinst d-i kernel and ramdisk directly
07:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 410] by debhelper
07:07<twb>AngryDrake: don't bother with a bootloader or iso or anything
07:08<AngryDrake>Um. Could you rephrase? I'm new, and cannot follow.
07:09<twb>wget ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/
07:09<twb>qemu -curses -kernel linux -initrd initrd.gz
07:09<twb>Or whatever the VirtualPC equivalent of that is.
07:09<twb>Er, there should be a * on the end of that wget URL
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07:10<AngryDrake>;_;
07:11<twb>If VPC is too shit to bootstrap kernels directly, there ought to be a mini.iso in the same directory
07:12<jm_>twb: it's microsoft software
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07:12<twb>Ha!
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07:13<twb>AngryDrake: OK, step one is to unbuckle your belt, remove your trousers and bend over. A microsoft technician will be along shortly.
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07:13<jm_>haha
07:14<twb>It wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft deliberately spoof particular opcodes that Linux is known to use early during its boot
07:14<twb>*spoof badly, I mean
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07:14<twb>jm_: home time for me, I will continue banging my head against LXC some other time.
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07:20<ffrank>hi, is rpm2cpio broken in GNU/Linux 5.0?
07:20<marga>Hi! I already asked this yesterday, but didn't get any helpful answers. I've updated my kernel, and made some other changes that I didn't track too well, and now I can't get my computer to play the audio that comes through the line-in jack. It's a "Intel Corporation 82801G". What can I do to recover the line-in input?
07:20<marga>It's not that sound does not work. Sound works fine. What doesn't work is line-in
07:20<jm_>did you check line-in mixer? does arecord work?
07:20<jm_>ffrank: no, why?
07:21<ffrank>jm_: it's failing horribly on me. same RPM unpacks fine in sid, though
07:21<marga>jm_: which is line-in mixer? I checked alsa-mixer, nothing is muted, everything has the volume up. But I'm not sure which is the one that corresponds to line-in
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07:22<jm_>ffrank: probably new format, check the changelog for the sid version
07:22<marga>jm_: arecord records from the microphone.
07:23<marga>That's one of the other things I changed, I added a mic.
07:23<jm_>marga: 'amixer scontents' look for Capture
07:23<jm_>marga: ok so it works then?
07:23<ffrank>well, lenny's rpm package is rather ancient...
07:23<marga>jm_: no. I want line in.
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07:24<marga>jm_: I mean, it's ok that arecord records the mic, I want line-in to be reproduced on the speakers.
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07:25<marga>jm_: from the amixer scontents: Input Source 0 is mic, Input Source 1 is line. Both Capture 0 and Capture 1 have 50% volume and are "on"
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07:26<jm_>marga: and other Capture lines?
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07:27<marga>I don't understand. I just have Capture 0 and 1. Or what is it that you are asking?
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07:28<jm_>marga: so you only have one capture line then? I have
07:28<marga>As far as I understand, the problem is that it's handling line-in as a microphone (i.e. no echo), when it should just reproduce.
07:28<jm_>3
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07:28<marga>I've told you, I have 2. I'll paste it...
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07:29<jm_>ahh OK I misread it
07:29<jm_>yes I see it now, you have confirmed that both are configured properly
07:29<marga>http://paste.debian.net/51358/
07:30<marga>I suspect it's a bug in the module, given that I have no way to configure how the capture behaves (echo or no echo).
07:30<jm_>which kernel version is this?
07:30<marga>2.6.30-2-686
07:31<jm_>hmm I would check if there are any changes in .31, or mayb ask on ALSA mailing list
07:31<marga>ok, thanks
07:31<jm_>maybe it requires new alsa version, it's hard to keep track of all the changes
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07:52<x2y2>hi guys, how can I find the date which I install my Debian GNU/Linux system?
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07:55<Nemoder>good question, you could check the date on version file: ls -l /etc/debian_version
07:55<Nemoder>unless the system had a dist-upgrade and it was updated
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07:56<x2y2>oh, that's a good idea ,thanks my friend
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07:58<jm_>back in the old days ls -l /usr/share/doc worked
07:58<jm_>IIRC
07:58<petemc>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17 2002-07-17 15:04 /etc/debian_version
07:58<petemc>seems about right for this box
07:58<x2y2>Nemoder: it's wrong, the sixth field of ls - l /ect/debian_version is the date when the ISO created, I get 31 Augest , but I just install Debian a week ago
07:59<Nemoder>hmm maybe it only works with net install
07:59<x2y2>Nemoder: I think the best way is ls -l /
07:59<Nemoder>but doesn't that date get updated whenever there's an update in a subfolder?
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08:00<tuxmea>Nemoder: I would use ls -la /var/log/installer
08:01<Nemoder>I don't have that file :o
08:01<x2y2>Nemoder: I think the fold lost+found is never update , so , the date of lost+found is what I need
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08:02<x2y2>tuxmea: thanks , it works on my computer
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08:10<Nemoder>ahh /var/log/debian-installer/
08:10<Nemoder>circa 2004 :)
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08:12<Nemoder>forgot I reinstalled then when I got a new HD, otherwise it would be 90s for me :)
08:13<x2y2>wow~~~ long time ago.
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08:13<Nemoder>a testament to dist-upgrade :)
08:14<Nemoder>although technically I think I've been perpetually running testing for most of that time
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08:44<catlee>good morning
08:44<catlee>where's the right place to go for problems with kernel drivers?
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08:49<Titan8990>catlee, here is a start
08:49<Titan8990>catlee, as long as its in debian in a debian package
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08:52<catlee>yes, stock linux images
08:53<catlee>from debian unstable
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08:54<Titan8990>catlee, ask away
08:54<Titan8990>oh...
08:54<Titan8990>you can still ask but unstable doesn't get much support
08:54<catlee>having the bcm5974 driver loaded (for macbook touchpad) causes the usb controller to constantly reset
08:54<catlee>what's the latest kernel in testing?
08:55<gsimmons>judd: kernels --release squeeze
08:55<judd>gsimmons: Available kernel versions are: squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8)
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08:56<catlee>this happens in 2.6.30 and 2.6.31
08:56<catlee>not in 2.6.26
08:56<catlee>(which doesn't have that driver)
08:57<jm_>did you check if 2.6.32* has any updates to it?
08:57<catlee>no
08:58<catlee>is it released yet?
08:58<catlee>this is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=551810
08:58<jm_>nope, still in rc phase
08:58<Titan8990>!kernels
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08:58<catlee>how can I get that to apply to 2.6.31 as well?
08:58<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20091112, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.32-rc6-git5, mainline 2.6: 2.6.32-rc6, stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.6 , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.9 , stable 2.6.29: 2.6.29.6 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.39 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.7
08:59<jm_>catlee: you can append text to bugs with more info
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09:01<jm_>http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control
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09:03<angel>hello
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09:04<angel>somebody are in campus party?
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09:06<catlee>jm_: thanks
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09:06<jm_>catlee: I think it's enough if you send mail to bugnumber@... - no need for that control stuff
09:06<jm_>but maybe the "found" one is a good idea in this case
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09:13<catlee>jm_: are there any images of 2.6.32rc?
09:13<jm_>catlee: not that I know
09:13<kmap>catlee: You can build one yourself using kernel-package
09:13<kmap>!kernel-package
09:13<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>.
09:14<kmap>I do it all the time; in fact, I periodically rebuild the latest kernel from the Git HEAD. :-)
09:14<jm_>!kernel trunk
09:14<dpkg>Debian kernel snapshot packages are not available from kernel-archive.buildserver.net due to a UPS failure. See also http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage and <kernel package>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel #debian-kernel on irc.debian.org.
09:14<jm_>you can look at that
09:15<jm_>but the host is down
09:15<jm_>(web mentions 31 only anyway)
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09:16<DTE>hi all
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09:24<goc>hi. I installed debian lenny via netinstall on a USB hard drive, and although the BIOS settings are correct, the USB drive refuses to boot. I tried grub and lilo with -mbr option. no change. any ideas?
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09:27<DTE>i'm trying to setup debian to connect to a Active directory domain
09:27<DTE>this AD domain has a subdomain where i have some users
09:27<DTE>if i ask something to the main domain everything works well
09:27<DTE>if i try to get the users for the subdomain
09:27<DTE>i get kinit(v5): KRB5 error code 68 while getting initial credentials
09:27<DTE>any idea?
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09:29<Titan8990>DTE, http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/kerberos/2006-September/010579.html
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09:37<goc>hi. I installed debian lenny via netinstall on a USB hard drive, and although the BIOS settings are correct, the USB drive refuses to boot. I tried grub and lilo with -mbr option. no change. any ideas?
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09:38<peej_>what do I use as an mp3 player from gui, like the old xmms used to be? xmms2 seems really weird
09:38<petemc>beep
09:39<OdyX>peej_: juk, amarok, …
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09:43<valdyn>peej_: if you want xmms, try audacity
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09:44<peej_>audicity is an audio editor. Why do you suggest that?
09:45<valdyn>peej_: right, i meant audacious
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09:48<goc>hi. I installed debian lenny via netinstall on a USB hard drive, and although the BIOS settings are correct, the USB drive refuses to boot. I tried grub and lilo with -mbr option. no change. any ideas?
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09:51<peej_>usb boot: do you have a zip drive option in bios too? try that?
09:52<peej_>size of boot partition?
09:53<goc>40gb
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09:55<peej_>I suspect (but I don't know) that you need a fairly small boot partition for a successful boot. Less than 1GB should be ok.
09:55<goc>why should this be the case?
09:56<peej_>I don't know. I've noticed it with usb flashdrives. Try googling around and let me know what you find.
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09:58<peej_>oh, yeah, and have you activated the boot flag?
09:58<goc>yes
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10:02<goc>damn, what is this: /usr/sbin/update-grub: line 118: /dev/null: Permission denied
10:02<goc>I am root!?
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10:07<DTE>i solved that error...now i get this in squid when trying to use ntlm auth
10:07<DTE>winbind client not authorized to use winbindd_pam_auth_crap. Ensure permissions on /var/run/samba/winbindd_privileged are set correctly
10:08<DTE>but /var/run/samba/winbindd_privileged is a dir with 777 permission
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10:15<goc>hi. I installed debian lenny via netinstall on a USB hard drive, and although the BIOS settings are correct, the USB drive refuses to boot. I tried grub and lilo with -mbr option. no change. setting "zip-drive" in bios didnt work anyway. any ideas?
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10:26<goc>hi. I installed debian lenny via netinstall on a USB hard drive, and although the BIOS settings are correct, the USB drive refuses to boot. I tried grub and lilo with -mbr option. no change. setting "zip-drive" in bios didnt work anyway. any ideas?
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10:42<peej_>get gparted out, repartition /boot so that it is < 1GB and try again.
10:42<kop>goc: Will it boot anything off the usb stick? Maybe the bios need new firmware.
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10:44<Itsme>Hi all. I changed my source.list from lenny to testing and wanted to do a '#apt-get update && dist-upgrade' but not all packages could be downloaded. the inet-connection is up... how do i find out if the sources.list is correct?? or what is going wrong?
10:46<kop>I have had strange interactions with a bios "last state" power option (the option that says what to do when the box is plugged in: last state, always on, always off). I just had a box that's supposedly set to 'last state' fail to reboot afer power loss/restore. I seem to recall that in the past I've needed to unplug the box during the bios boot (or maybe while in grub) to get the box to boot when power is restored with a bios "last state" choice. Is there so
10:46<kop>Itsme: You could try another mirror.
10:47<Itsme>here is the sources-list i wanted to upgrade from stable to testing: http://pastebin.ca/1668335
10:48<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Itsme -about non-us
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10:50<Itsme>gsimmons: but then all packages should be found in the other sources, right?
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10:51<themill>Itsme: using "stable" in your sources.list is rarely what you actually want and mixing "stable" and "testing" is also playing with fire.
10:53<Itsme>themill: i tried only testing before... and this didn't work
10:53<kop>Maybe after power down/halt it takes the bios a physical power cycle to turn it's toggle back so that when power is restored it boots?
10:53<themill>dpkg: tell Itsme about didn't work
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10:53<kop>Because the cpu is halted?
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10:54<themill>Itsme: what release do you actually *want* to run? stable or testing?
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10:56<Itsme>yeah okay, "look buddy" ^^ i will try again '# apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' with two lines in the source.list: both testing: the main and the security line for the US (even if my machine is in the netherlands) ... is this feasible?
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10:58<nicola>ciao a tutti
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10:58<themill>Itsme: if you're in the netherlands, then change "us" for "nl". And yes, you only need those two lines. Pastebin the updated sources.list and the output of "aptitude update" if you want some more help with it.
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11:07<kop>Or maybe I'm thinking of a tweaky situation where the power goes off and on more than once? Like if power goes down, then up and the machine starts to reboot, but power is cut again while the post is running and the bios is tweaky and has not yet "remembered" that power is on. This sounds more likely. (Stupid bios. ;)
11:08<kop>I don't have physical access to the box to play with.
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11:14<goblin>!list
11:14<dpkg>goblin: VATTENE VIA
11:14<goblin>perchè
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11:49<mib_j1ymk44m>http://www.mibbit.com/pb/4OsslG can any1 tell a newbie what to do?
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11:50<themill>mib_j1ymk44m: (a) Welcome to sid (b) check the BTS.
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11:51<mib_j1ymk44m>BTS = ?
11:51<koollman>bug tracking system
11:51<themill>!bts
11:51<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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11:54<mib_j1ymk44m>if I enter the package name it tells me that there are no bugs found
11:54<themill>bugs.debian.org/libc6 lists many many bugs, including the one you've found (twice)
11:55<mib_j1ymk44m>ok I entered full name
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12:02<mib_j1ymk44m>ok Im still confused =/
12:02-!-m3onh0x84 [~m3onh0x84@123.16.238.5] has joined #debian
12:02<mib_j1ymk44m>is that a bug or did I do st wrong?
12:03<mib_j1ymk44m>(only have linux 3 days now so the pages are a little hard to read)
12:03<themill>Why on earth are you running sid then?
12:04<m3onh0x84>what top bug managẻr in debian ?
12:04<m3onh0x84>what's top bug managẻr in debian ?
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12:05<mib_j1ymk44m>I dont know what sid is ... the only thing IÄve done was to try a dist upgrade cause everybody said I should
12:05<mib_j1ymk44m>and after a while this messages appeared and since then I cant install anything anymore using apt
12:06<m3onh0x84>when debian 6 release ?
12:06<themill>!sid
12:06<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
12:06<m3onh0x84>when debian 6 coming ?
12:06<themill>mib_j1ymk44m: ^^ that's what you're running. It's not designed for new users at all. It's often broken in new and interesting ways.
12:06<themill>dpkg: tell m3onh0x84 about wwsr
12:06<mib_j1ymk44m>I HAVE installed Stable
12:07<mib_j1ymk44m>and form that I just done dist upgrade
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12:07<mib_j1ymk44m>but still stable is running
12:07<themill>mib_j1ymk44m: you are most definitely not running stable if you are seeing this bug
12:07<mib_j1ymk44m>I downloaded stable pagacke from deb site
12:07<mib_j1ymk44m>it was marked as staple
12:08<mib_j1ymk44m>*b
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12:08<themill>mib_j1ymk44m: yeah, and what you did since means that you are no longer running stable. You shouldn't have needed to edit your sources.list in the way that you did and you shouldn't have needed to do a dist-ugprade.
12:08<mib_j1ymk44m>but everyone asked me why I was using it and said me to distle uograde because the versions were near to stab
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12:08<mib_j1ymk44m>*dist upgrade
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12:09<themill>mib_j1ymk44m: no, you should use stable. Don't let people who don't know what they are talking about convince you to run sid.
12:09<mib_j1ymk44m>and there is nothing more I've done but upgrade crashed with those errors
12:09<mib_j1ymk44m>err and wht to do now? dont want to kill everything
12:10<themill>mib_j1ymk44m: your best course of action now is to back up your data and reinstall stable. And this time *don't* put squeeze or sid (or testing or unstable) in your sources.list and then all will be well.
12:10<mib_j1ymk44m>is there now way to just install this package manual?
12:11<themill>mib_j1ymk44m: your entire system is going to be pretty screwy at this stage. Sid is not designed for new users and you are going to hit these sort of problems just about every time you go looking for updates or try to install new packages.
12:12<mib_j1ymk44m>mhm ... buts maybe its the best way to learn sth about linux ^^
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12:13<mib_j1ymk44m>I have to know how to fix those problems someday anyways
12:13<themill>mib_j1ymk44m: no, learn how to use a working system first. only then do you want to learn how to unbreak a broken libc6 package.
12:13<dk>How to keep debian penguin logo at boot time while changing the tty or clearing the screen,
12:13<dk>How to keep debian penguin logo at boot time while changing the tty or clearing the screen,
12:14<mib_j1ymk44m>there was a hint with the -e option
12:14<mib_j1ymk44m>does this fix?
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12:14<mib_j1ymk44m>set +e invoke~~ set -e
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12:18<peej_>mib_j1ymk44m, the advice you were give to dist-upgrade was wrong. Testing is close to stable, but even then you may get into trouble if you are a newbie. So, yeah, stick with stable for now.
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12:21<bgat>a lot of the debian-related emails I see use little endnotes after the email text body rather than putting URLs inline with the message text. is that an Icedove plugin, or are people formatting those by hand?
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12:27<acu>I want to record my desktop and voice - ing recordmydesktop there is a place to change audio - how can I know which device is my samson usb microphone ?
12:27<dk>How to keep debian penguin logo at boot time while changing the tty or clearing the screen, ? any answers ?
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12:34<kmap>acu: alsamixer?
12:34<kmap>bgat: I do it by hand.
12:34<bgat>kmap: that's what I thought. thx
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13:19<Woet>So.. I installed a new server, installed openssh-server
13:19<Woet>it responds, I login using my details (root) and... it fails
13:19<Woet>it works fine on the machine itself though, just SSH fails
13:20<Gathond>Woet: I'm pretty sure ssh defaults to NOT allowing remote root logins
13:20<Woet>well, I logged in using a shell user, which works
13:21<Woet>wait, I know the problem
13:21<Gathond>as this generally raise security to first login to another account then become root from there
13:21<Woet>the kvm lags, capitals were not recognized :)
13:21<Woet>problem solved
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13:28<peej_>Gathond, (ssh root login ) I was able to login as root on a fresh install on lenny for me. Surprised me.
13:28<Gathond>ok, they may have changed it, last time I installed i I think it was the default
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13:45<q_p>Hi, I just installed Debian Squeeze and I'm seeing "network disabled" in the upper right corner. But obviously the network is just fine since I'm here :) When I right click and select "edit conenctions" I see "Ifupdown (eth0) never" under "Wired". Nothing in the other tabs. Any idea what's wrong?
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13:47<gsimmons>dpkg: networkmanager squeeze
13:47<dpkg>Wired network interfaces are not managed by default as of network-manager 0.7.1-1. See http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager#NetworkManagerinSqueeze and http://bugs.debian.org/530024 for further details.
13:47<gsimmons>q_p: ^^^^^
13:49<q_p>gsimmons: thanks
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14:02<some_guy_>!paste
14:02<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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14:06<q_p>It seems hard to do disk encryption when you have a Windows partition. Can't you do "full disk" encryption on the remaining partitions and ignore the one with Windows? When installing I had to type the password for each partition and assumed I'd have to type it 3 times on every boot, but perhaps I was mistaken? (I chose to do without encryption because of this)
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14:06<dkr>q_p: you could use encfs
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14:09<q_p>dkr: I'd prefer dm-crypt. The reason I'm asking is to see if I've assumed wrong or if what I'm asking for is impossible, then there wouldn't be any point in reporting it as a bug.
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14:17<mudsplatter>when is squze comeing out
14:18<avu>!wir
14:18<dpkg>methinks wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>
14:18<mudsplatter>im lazy.....
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14:49<user_name>if a library is missing. do i need to install it's dev package or just the package? like 'xfce4-panel' or 'xfce-panel-dev'?
14:49<Xenguy>won't work in this channel (drat)
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14:50<Xenguy>oops
14:50<Xenguy>Hi - I need a little help testing a new configuration. Can I trouble someone to wait 5 seconds, then type: Xenguy: test
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14:50<noflash>Xenguy: test
14:52<Xenguy>noflash: thanks for that. I'm trying to modify a simple colour in irssi, and it's just not working as expected
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14:52<Xenguy>noflash: if you are going to be around for awhile longer, could I bother you for a couple more of those at some point?
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14:56<cahoot>login from another term with another nick?
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14:58<Xenguy>noflash: one more time?
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15:00<gesichtslos>Hey guys I have a quick question. I've noticed that when I'm coding in C++ with gedit that in the folder I saved the source to there are two files. (a.cpp and a.cpp~) What's with the ~ copy files? Are they autosaves or something?
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15:01<MeJason>Hi people
15:02<MeJason>anyone good with live-helper?
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15:02<MeJason>I keep getting this error message......
15:03<MeJason>failed to install base packages will retry 5 times
15:05<MeJason>its confusing as I can look into the chroot folder and it looks like a proper file system layout
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15:05<MeJason>and when I go into any folder say chroot/bin its full of programs
15:06<azeem>MeJason: right, but not all installed successfully
15:06<azeem>it's an error message from debootstrap
15:06<azeem>MeJason: which Debian version did you try to install/master
15:06<azeem>?
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15:07<MeJason>lenny
15:07<azeem>look for a log, maybe chroot/debootstrap/log or so
15:07<MeJason>ok
15:08<MeJason>I do remember an error about rsyslog failing to install
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15:10<MeJason>how would I tell live-helper to not install a certain package?
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15:15<tom_>i am having trouble getting a udev line to launch a script on usb plug event
15:15<tom_>ive tried lots of ways and i cant seem to get any udev rule i make to run anything at all
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15:16<tom_>problem is i cant get it to work at all, i just want a simple test case for anyhting that will work.. so i have a place to start from
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15:19<jack>how does the script looks like?
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16:01<jthomas_sb>Where is the Java SDK located when I've installed java6-sdk ? I need to set up JBoss and the instructions read, "On linux: export JAVA_HOME=/path/to/j2sdk-1.4.2_0x "
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16:01<Lethalman>jthomas_sb, dpkg -L sun-java6-jdk
16:02<Lethalman>jthomas_sb, I think you could install jboss the debian way instead
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16:03<jthomas_sb>Lethalman which is how?
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16:03<themill>(it would be JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/, btw)
16:03<Lethalman>jthomas_sb, aptitude install jbossas4
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16:03<Lethalman>ah you meant the directory
16:04<jthomas_sb>i don't have that in my repos, is it in non-free or contrib? what release, 4? I was told we need JBoss 5
16:06<Lethalman>yes that's version 4
16:06<Lethalman>nothing then
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16:08<jthomas_sb>themill "java-6-sun/: No such file or directory" within my /usr/lib/jvm/ . I do have /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/ will that do?
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16:10<themill>jthomas_sb: yes, that should do fine (but that's not Sun's JDK, that's the OpenJDK, JDK).
16:10<jthomas_sb>aah... hm.
16:12<themill>jthomas_sb: openjdk has passed Sun's java tests and is a complete java implementation except for some hideously non-free parts of java that aren't actually part of the java spec. (If that makes any sense at all). Most people find it works just fine for them.
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16:12<jthomas_sb>ok
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16:27<brlancer>I installed squeeze on a new system and some applications (e.g. telnet, ssh) are trying to connect via ipv6, failing, then reverting to ipv4 and working properly. I'm booting with "ipv6.disable=1" and I don't have any ipv6 interfaces but applications are still trying to use ipv6. How do I stop that?
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16:35<napoly>i'm newbie.. would like to ./configure make and make install one .tar.gz .. but donno how.. i think i need to install some packages..
16:35<petemc>!b-e napoly
16:35<dpkg>napoly: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
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16:36<petemc>you should really try to stick to debian packages tho
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16:37<napoly>dpkg thank you
16:37<dpkg>no problem, napoly
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16:37<jthomas_sb>napoly you'll need to run "aptitude install build-essential" and then you'll need to unpack (untar, unzip) that .tar.gz file -- basically its like a zip file roight now.
16:38<jthomas_sb>napoly what program is it?
16:38<napoly>it's a driver xf86-video-intel-2.7.1
16:38<napoly>for my lenovo x200
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16:39<jthomas_sb>hmm, i would expect there are better ways to do that than to make it yourself
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16:40<napoly>jthomas_sb: I couldn't find .deb or nothing else
16:40<jthomas_sb>if you'
16:41<jthomas_sb>if you're running Debian 5, the newest release seems to be 'xserver-xorg-video-intel' at 2.3.2, although there may be backports for it.
16:41<jthomas_sb>!backports
16:41<dpkg>backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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16:41<jthomas_sb>!backports.org napoly
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16:42<ozzle>Hi, I could use som help
16:42<ozzle>:)
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16:42<ozzle>I need to unrar a lot of files in different dirs
16:42<jthomas_sb>ozzle just ask
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16:42<ozzle>I tried this: find *RiVER | unrar e `grep .r`
16:42<jthomas_sb>yeah that always is no fun; install unrar
16:42<wishmaster>russi
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16:43<napoly>jthoma_sb.. i have them added in sources.list ... but can't find that driver
16:43<wishmaster>Russian
16:43<jthomas_sb>then try 'unrar e file.rar' and it should find the .r01 and .r02 and the rest on its own
16:43<ozzle>right
16:43<wishmaster>есть кто русскоязычный
16:43<wishmaster>где искать?
16:43<jthomas_sb>napoly perhaps there isn't for video drivers; you can try to make install it yourself, but if it overwrites stuff its a mess...
16:44<napoly>so what you suggest?
16:45<jthomas_sb>this is just a laptop, not an essential server or someting?
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16:45<ozzle>jthomas_sb: Na, didnt work
16:45<jthomas_sb>ozzle dunno, i try hard to avoid rar files
16:45<ozzle>:)
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16:47<napoly>dpkg: http://paste.debian.net/51412/ what's wrong?
16:47<dpkg>napoly: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
16:47<napoly>oh bot
16:47<napoly>:)
16:47<jthomas_sb>napoly, dpkg is a 'bot' not a person :)
16:48<napoly>jjthomas_sb: http://paste.debian.net/51412/
16:48<napoly>what is missing?
16:49<themill>napoly: what does "echo $PATH" say?
16:49<jthomas_sb>dunno... did you run aptitude update ? it looks like you're root...
16:50<napoly>themill: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
16:51<themill>do /usr/bin/locale and /sbin/ldconfig both exist?
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16:56<napoly>themill: /sbin/ldconfig does not. so i created with mkdir ldconfig and now it looks like this: http://paste.debian.net/51413/
16:57<themill>napoly: ldconfig is a pretty important system file... how do you not have it?
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16:57<themill>(and it's supposed to be an executable, not a directory)
16:57<jthomas_sb>yeah you cannot really mkdir that
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16:58<napoly>:) ok maybe its cuz i run a fresh install of debian with kernel 2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64 so that my wireless can work..
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17:02<napoly>or how can i see that i have ldconfig..??..
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17:02<themill>napoly: can you pastebin the output of "dpkg -l \*libc6\*"
17:04<napoly>http://paste.debian.net/51414/
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17:04<themill>napoly: uh... have you been mixing lenny and sid?
17:06<prahal>libc-bin is the ldconfig package
17:06<napoly>themill: yep.. :[
17:06<napoly>reinstall?
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17:08<prahal>napoly, depends on what you want to achieve . You could switch to squeeze+sid that may work better
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17:08<themill>napoly: do you want to stick with stable at this stage?
17:08<napoly>themill: I do.. was switching to sid only for newer graphic drivers..
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17:10<napoly>prahal: i did switch to squeeze.. my graphic on lenovo x200 was working.. but there were bugs with power management.. wireless.. and just so much
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17:11<prahal>ouch ;) newer graphics drivers requires >=2.6.30 to have kms+drm improvements ... and also xorg upgade thus most of the system including libc6 needs upgrade
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17:11<prahal>napoly, bugs with wireless why not but power maangement .... weird
17:11<napoly>prahal: r u running with lenovo?
17:11<prahal>eeepc
17:12<sdsdsd>guys, where should i found a good tutorial to go from ext3 to ext4? Im squeeze amd64 2.6.31-6
17:12<themill>dpkg, ext3->ext4
17:12<dpkg>To enable <ext4> features on an existing unmounted <ext3> file system (kernel 2.6.28 or later required): 'tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index /dev/hda1' (where hda1 is the partition containing the ext3 file system), then 'e2fsck -fD /dev/hda1' to fix modified on-disk structures. Don't forget to modify /etc/fstab and specify ext4 for the file system. Some ext4 features (e.g. flex_bg) can only be enabled during format via mke2fs.
17:12<themill>napoly: do you currently have sid or squeeze in your sources.list?
17:12<napoly>yep.. but it was switched from lenny to squeeze.. when i install fresh squeeze there were problems with buttons..
17:13<napoly>themill: lenny main
17:14<themill>napoly: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; aptitude search ~o" for me?
17:14<sdsdsd>humm, there is a way to do use partimage to backup my instalation, format my partition and put it back normal?
17:14<sdsdsd>now with ext4
17:15<prahal>napoly, bet you missed acpi-support
17:15<napoly>themill: http://paste.debian.net/51415/
17:15<sdsdsd>or it cant be possible?
17:16<napoly>prahal: acpi-support?.. donno what is it
17:16<prahal>well buttons , battery, etc
17:16<sdsdsd>another question, to do a image from my Debian Sistem, without liveCD what i need to od?
17:16<sdsdsd>do
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17:17<prahal>should be installed if you choose laptop in installer or after via taskel
17:17<prahal>tasksel
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17:17<prahal>sdsdsd, an image include the partition internals ... don't think that would help for your use case (that would restore ext3 ... to ext3
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17:18<napoly>not exactly.. when i tried in nautilus window edit->preferences it won't open and icons from desktop disappeared..
17:18<prahal>but a plain backup would do
17:18<themill>napoly: do you have a dpkg, aptitude, symaptic session still running?
17:18<sdsdsd>i understand...
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17:19<prahal>that was a crash in nautilus
17:19<napoly>possible..
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17:19<napoly>but im new.. so i freaked out and went back to lenny
17:20<sdsdsd>prahal, there is a way to umount my fs and convert my ext3 to ext4 partition without using a liveCD or another installation?
17:20<prahal>squeeze is not meant to be much more stable than sid until freeze . Only packaging issues should have been sorted out (so you don't have to hack the system to restore from broken ugrades or such
17:20<themill>napoly: as root, run "lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock"
17:20<napoly>themill: http://paste.debian.net/51416/
17:21<napoly>themill.. was running..
17:21<napoly>themill: lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock does nothing..
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17:21<themill>output of "aptitude search '~o'" isn't in the pastebin... can you have another go
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17:23<prahal>sdsdsd, well you could make a small install on a new partition and run from that , I don't think mount -o remount,ro is safe in this use case . why don't you want a livecd, rescue cd (could be on usb stick)
17:23<napoly>aptitude search '~o' nothing found
17:23<prahal>If you have mutli partition install scheme you could keep / as ext3 and upgrade the other partitions
17:24<napoly>i think the best and maybe the easiest way for me will be reinstall
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17:24<sdsdsd>prahal,do you sugest any on-stick little instalation just to do the job?
17:25<themill>napoly: if you don't have lots of valuable data, then yes, that's going to be safest. Reinstalling the libc6 package might solve things too, but I imagine you've got a few other sid packages in there too and I'm not sure why aptitude is not telling us about them there.
17:27<prahal>you could make on from any livecd via unetbootin . Or use the debian live http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/usb-hdd/ for i386
17:27<prahal>one question left is does debian live support ext4 . I don't know
17:27<sdsdsd>ok ty
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17:38<elops> question; normally you can mount a given partition (say, /dev/hdc5 to /mnt/hd3) and then mount -o bind a dir (say, mount /mnt/hd3/foo as /foo); is there a way to mount /dev/hdc5's 'foo' dir as /foo, for instance, *WITHOUT* first mounting /dev/hdc5 ? I am very curious to know :)
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17:42<elops>so there is no way to directly reference something within a block device (with a partition) ?
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17:45<jackyf>elops: what does mount say if you try to mount it to /foo?
17:46<jackyf>ah, disregard that
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18:10<joev>can someone help with sound on a new lenny 5.0.3?
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18:12<joev>IDENTIFY
18:13<phyrrus>#fluxbox-unof
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18:19<joev>can anyone help with sound on lenny?
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18:20<dondelelcaro>joev: best to just ask your question
18:22<joev>new set-up of lenny 5.0.3. No sound. I have ran alsaconf and checked for muting in alsamixer. Had this problem with Etch but it was a muting issue. Does not seem to be the same problem in lenny.
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18:37<Woet>so.. i made a typo in fstab and the server boots in read only
18:37<Woet>i try to correct the typo, but it's in read only
18:37<Woet>how would i resolve it?
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18:43<dondelelcaro>Woet: mount the drive rw, and fix it
18:43<Woet>well, i doubt i can mount it while it's mounted in read only
18:43<dondelelcaro>Woet: mount -o remount,rww /path/to/foo
18:43<Woet>hmm
18:43<dondelelcaro>s/rww/rw/
18:43<Woet>let me check
18:44<dondelelcaro>or mount -o remount,rw /; in the instant case.
18:44<dondelelcaro>man mount; for details.
18:44<Woet>booting now
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18:50<Woet>well, dondelelcaro
18:50<Woet>'Unrecognized mount option 'userquota'
18:50<Woet>that's the mistake i made, which i want to solve
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18:52<dondelelcaro>Woet: that's fine; you can remount it still
18:52<dondelelcaro>Woet: and you only need / to be mounted rw, anyway.
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18:53<Woet>http://files.uploadffs.com/2/a06e208b/Screen_shot_20091113_at_00.52.52.png
18:53<Woet>kvm
18:53<dondelelcaro>Woet: so use mount -t ext3 -o remount,rw /dev/foo /; or similar
18:53<Woet>let's see
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18:54<Woet>yay
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18:55<Woet>thanks :)
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19:29<slope>Can someone help me mount my second harddrive? I'm using Squeeze and I forgot to mount the hd during installation, now I need to write a password everytime I want to access it. I've added this line to my /etc/fstab but it doesn't help: /dev/sdb /media/disk ext3 defaults 0 0
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19:41<cluster>/echo
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19:43<abrotman>slopbleh
19:44<cluster>xD
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19:44<cluster>Hi
19:45<cluster>somebody have some good book about SMB?
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19:45<slope>Solved it, I needed to change /dev/sdb to /dev/sdb1 (doh!)
19:46<cluster>o0
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21:08<david>is this a chat
21:08<david>??
21:08<david>anyone here
21:08<david>??
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21:10<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
21:10<jpinx-eeepc>missed......
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21:12<sef>why my ip's on lighttpd started to print as ::ffff:187.146.14.172 ?
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21:17<kmshanah>Hi, I'm having a problem getting both tagged and untagged VLAN traffic working at the same time: http://pastebin.com/m3e392c87
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21:19<kmshanah>sef: did you upgrade recently? those are ipv6 addresses
21:20<kmshanah>sef: well, ipv6 notation anyway
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21:22<sef>i've resolved... there was a line on the config
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21:46<twb>SSL error: error:00000000:lib(0):func(0):reason(0)
21:46<twb>Which crypto algo was removed from Debian's libssl recently?
21:46<abrotman>the DSA has that
21:48<twb>Do you know which DSA offhand?
21:49<twb>http://www.debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1888 ?
21:49<abrotman>http://www.debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1888
21:49<abrotman>yes
21:49<twb>Thank you.
21:50<twb>(On of our filthy FC1 servers is using it.)
21:51<abrotman>yay?
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21:51<twb>That is... one way of putting it.
21:52<twb>Another would be "put the gun down, twb, the FC admin is not worth killing!"
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22:09<pwr2theppl>I'm using openvpn to connect to a vpn service, but my DNS requests aren't being routed through the vpn, they're going straight to my ISP. What can I do?
22:10<twb>pwr2theppl: fix resolv.conf?
22:10<pwr2theppl>how does that work?
22:10<pwr2theppl>do i need to do any tweaking?
22:12<pwr2theppl>i had that package already installed
22:12<pwr2theppl>already
22:12<twb>pwr2theppl: /etc/resolv.conf is a file, not a package
22:12<twb>pwr2theppl: resolvconf is a package that "helps" to manage resolv.conf
22:12<pwr2theppl>what can i do?
22:13<twb>pwr2theppl: fix /etc/resolv.conf.
22:13<pwr2theppl>how
22:13*Xenguy ended up uninstalling the 'resolvconf' package...
22:14<twb>Xenguy: yeah, I am not too keen on it
22:14<twb>Granted, my resolv.conf needs are simple
22:14<Xenguy>twb: so are mine; that package was some kind of overkill IMHO
22:14<pwr2theppl>tweeb
22:15<pwr2theppl>twb
22:15<pwr2theppl>:
22:15<twb>Xenguy: my point was that there are those with complex needs
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22:15<pwr2theppl>how do i operate resolvconf
22:15<twb>pwr2theppl: sudoedit /etc/resolv.conf
22:16<Xenguy>twb: Well if it is installed by default, I doubt that it should be
22:16<pwr2theppl>i thought that package did the editing for you
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22:16<twb>Xenguy: I think a few resolv.conf-editing packages Recommend it
22:17<twb>pwr2theppl: I wouldn't know about that
22:17<twb>pwr2theppl: I think the resolvconf package means you write a script which writes resolv.conf for you
22:17<twb>pwr2theppl: it can't magically KNOW what to write in there
22:18<pwr2theppl>why are you telling me "you write a script which writes resolv.conf for you". What does that mean?
22:20<twb>pwr2theppl: if you want it all to Just Work you must train your VPN package to talk to resolvconf, or train it to edit /etc/resolv.conf directly.
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22:20<twb>pwr2theppl: apparently your VPN software doesn't do this out of the box
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22:20<pwr2theppl>ive got some help with that part
22:21<pwr2theppl>I see some ip addresses here
22:22<pwr2theppl>how do you route the requests encrypted through there?
22:22<pwr2theppl>through my vpn i meant
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22:23<twb>pwr2theppl: by editing /etc/resolv.conf
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22:24<pwr2theppl>and that automatically routes the requests through the vpn to the ISP at the other end?
22:25<twb>I give up.
22:26<pwr2theppl>no you dont
22:26<pwr2theppl>dont give up now
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22:33<pwr2theppl>twb
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22:53<pwr2theppl>twb will you please help me
22:54<Xenguy>pwr2theppl: what is in /etc/resolv.conf currently?
22:56<pwr2theppl># Generated by NetworkManager
22:56<pwr2theppl>nameserver 94.75.220.3
22:56<pwr2theppl>nameserver 94.75.220.1
22:56<pwr2theppl>nameserver 192.168.1.1
22:56-!-pwr2theppl was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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22:57<Xenguy>!paste pwr2theppl
22:57<dpkg>pwr2theppl: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel.
22:58<abrotman>oh .. that should get changed
22:58<abrotman>i guess it technically works
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22:59<Xenguy>abrotman: is it paste.debian.org, or ...?
22:59<abrotman>paste.debian.net .. but that works
22:59<Xenguy>ahh
23:00<pwr2theppl>ok thats all that was there so i figured it would fit
23:00<pwr2theppl>xenguy
23:01<Xenguy>pwr2theppl: looks 'legal' to me; maybe abrotman knows what you need to do for a VPN?
23:01<pwr2theppl>"legal"? why would it not be legal? :/
23:01<Xenguy>(With all the expertise in the channels these days, I'm thinking of changing my nick to 'simpleguy' ;-)
23:02<Xenguy>pwr2theppl: I just mean the entries look fine
23:02<pwr2theppl>abrotman: what do you think
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23:09<Xenguy>pwr2theppl: things seem quiet here tonight; there's always #debian on freenode
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23:16<pwr2theppl>freenode is blocking a free vpn im using and i dont want to go on there non-anonymously
23:17<pwr2theppl>i have to go through so much to make this work with linux. I switched from windows to linux because I thought it would be less work but it seems all im ever doing is trying to fix something.
23:18<twb>So use Windows, then
23:18<Xenguy>twb: wb - now help the man out, he's a debian user donchaknow ? ;-)
23:19<Xenguy>twb: FWIW, I can't help him
23:19<pwr2theppl>windows isn't secure enough. I've grown to like linux's security
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23:19<Xenguy>I keep trying to tell people it's about the freedom, and they look at me funny
23:20<pwr2theppl>yeah freedom if you have 2 years post graduate programming experience
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23:21<kop>pwr2theppl: Computer are all about having to fix something. The important question is whether what you learn in the process of fixing things will retain it's usefulness. The Good Thing about Linux is that it's Unix, which has been pretty stable over the last 40-ish years in terms of what you need to know to fix it.
23:21<twb>pwr2theppl: such people wouldn't know how to use Debian.
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23:22<twb>pwr2theppl: they would be using Sun Java and Oracle
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23:22<pwr2theppl>kop: thats the thing: im not learning unix or commands or anything that could help me, all im learning is proprietary stuff
23:23<twb>That's because CS degrees are a waste of time
23:23<twb>They're vocational training rather than learning.
23:24<pwr2theppl>i dont understand the diffrence between those two things
23:25<twb>pwr2theppl: vocational training is about doing things. Learning is about understanding things.
23:26<pwr2theppl>sun java is an os?
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23:30<pwr2theppl>yeah, ok.
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23:36<robert>i checked ubuntu chat to see if a couple bugs with the msi wind were fixed yet, no one responded
23:36<robert>i meant with ubuntu karmic
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23:36<twb>robert: Winds are basically EeePCs, you could try- never mind...
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23:50<MrGlad>this the official debian channel?
23:51<x2y2>MrGlad: yes
23:52<twb>For Debian officials, by debian officials.
23:52<twb>We sit here and debate important matters like whether "free" should get a capital F
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23:53<kmap>twb: You seem to be filled with sarcasm today? :-)
23:53<twb>I am always so filled.
23:53<twb>It is a gift
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23:57<x2y2>twb: hehe, I'm not a native English speaker, but I feel you are very humorous.
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23:57<MrGlad>debian team have any intentions on making debian easier to user, for the newbies?
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23:59<x2y2>MrGlad: Debian is easier enough, the truth is you are too lazy, lazy for learning and lazy for googling
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