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00:00<Supaplex>maybe something rsync-ish (but it's all userspace)
00:00<bgupta>THinking somebody ahs to have done somethign with inotify, no? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inotify
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00:00<PovAddict>for async interception of writes (= you don't block the app's syscall), use inotify
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00:01<PovAddict>if you *do* want to block the app until you're done, write a FUSE filesystem that forwards all calls to a real filesystem *and* does something else
00:01<bgupta>PovAddict: Yes, I just don't want to have to write a replication suite.
00:01<bgupta>:)
00:02<bgupta>inotify is perfect.. I just need to find something that someone has written that uses it
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00:02<PovAddict>ah I didn't know how low/high level you wanted it
00:02<PovAddict>I don't know of the higher level stuff you need, then :)
00:02<faheem>bgupta: mercurial?
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00:04<bgupta>faheem: Thanks no I basically need to be able to monitor writes to a filessystem and have them replicate immediately to a remote server/ filessytem target. Well technically it should queue the writes to a local replication log, so that network disruptions can be handled properly.
00:05<PovAddict>it really sounds like it should be a solved problem
00:05<bgupta>damn I know how to write this, I just don't know why anyone hasn't done it yet. (Well technically I'm not a dev, so there's one problem)
00:05<bgupta>PovAddict: Totally
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00:06<bgupta>this looks totally bitrotten: http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/March2001/article199.shtml
00:07*PovAddict loves Unix command line
00:07<PovAddict>my lights were dim
00:08<PovAddict>in a few minutes I wrote a script to query my UPS for the line voltage and graph it in gnuplot
00:09<PovAddict>try doing *that* with the proprietary software that comes with the UPS and Microsoft Excel... :D
00:10<sney>seriously
00:11<PovAddict>http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/voltage.png
00:11<goodger>oooooh
00:11<goodger>aaaaah
00:12<goodger>...seems low, in other news...
00:12<PovAddict>yup...
00:13<PovAddict>my UPS kept making clicky noises every now and then
00:13<goodger>perhaps telephone your power company...
00:13<PovAddict>goodger: not at 2 am; and it's ok now
00:13<goodger>well, yes, I meant at a reasonable time
00:15<PovAddict>the data collection: while true; do echo $(date +%F-%H%M) $(/sbin/apcaccess | grep LINEV | sed 's/.../\1/'); sleep 15; done
00:15<PovAddict>...my IRC client made a mess out of that didn't it?
00:16<PovAddict>the data collection: while true; do echo $(date +%F-%H%M%S) $(/sbin/apcaccess | grep LINEV | sed 's/.../\1/'); sleep 15; done
00:16<goodger>it did, yes
00:16<PovAddict>I'll spare you the details of the sed regex; it's messier than it needs to be :D
00:16<goodger>goodo
00:17<Hideo>sed '/LINEV/!d
00:17<Hideo>' ;)
00:17<PovAddict>looks like a no-op
00:18<PovAddict>oh I see what you did there
00:18<PovAddict>:P
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00:19<PovAddict>my sed is to do "LINEV : 218.0 Volts" -> "218.0"
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00:20<Hideo>oh, I was just saying that you could replace that grep with sed =)
00:21<PovAddict>/sbin/apcaccess | sed -n 's/^LINEV\s*:\s*\([0-9.]\+\)\s\+[Vv]olts/\1/p')
00:28<locklace>itym "cut -d' ' -f6"
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00:30<edbian>I'm looking for a good place for help with openSuse. Any ideas?
00:30<locklace>!opensuse
00:30<dpkg>somebody said opensuse was the community-developed version of <SUSE> Linux. http://www.opensuse.org/ #opensuse on irc.freenode.net
00:30<sney>dpkg knows
00:30<dpkg>sney: I don't know, could you explain it?
00:31*sney facepalm
00:31<edbian>locklace, Thank you! :)
00:32<edbian>locklace, I know this is the debian room but would you mind maybe trying your hand at my issue with me for a moment?
00:32<sney>solution: use debian!
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00:37<PovAddict>sney++
00:37<sney>:3
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00:37<pdragon>hi is there anyone that can help me with a gcc problem on make command
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00:39<pdragon>anyone
00:39<locklace>!anyone
00:39<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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00:40<pdragon>dose anyone use gcc
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00:40<locklace>fail
00:40<PovAddict>pdragon: yes
00:40<PovAddict>pdragon: people use gcc
00:41<pdragon>well i don't know i have never used irc chat before
00:41<pdragon>well im having some problems with it when compiling
00:41<PovAddict>you have been here for five minutes asking for help and still didn't say what your problem is
00:41<sney>is something broken? not working the way you expected? tell us 1) what you tried to do, and then 2) what happened when you tried
00:42<pdragon>ok well my problem is the initializer element
00:42<pdragon>i am wanting to know if there is a way to disable that
00:42<pdragon>im compiling Rom24 mud
00:43<sney>one more time
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00:43<sney>what did you do, and what happened when you did it
00:43<PovAddict>are you getting an error?
00:43<pdragon>yes it says
00:43<pdragon>initializer element is not constant
00:43<sney>groan
00:44<PovAddict>then the program you want to compile is broken, complain to its developers
00:44<pdragon>but i need it to be constant to make the mud run rght
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00:44<pdragon>it compiled fine on my older linux deb server witch has gcc 2.95 on it
00:44<edbian>Can someone help me fix my routes using netstat?
00:44<sney>!someone
00:44<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
00:45<edbian>My wlan0 has no route to the internet. How do I add one?
00:45<PovAddict>pdragon: gcc 2.95 is ancient
00:45<sney>what's the ip address of your gateway
00:45<edbian>sney, 192.168.1.1
00:45<pdragon>yeah i know
00:45<sney>route add default gw 192.168.1.1
00:45<PovAddict>pdragon: probably the problem is 2.95 is so old that it doesn't notice the code is *wrong
00:46<sney>actually the real situation is probably that the program was written for gcc 2.95
00:46<sney>so the code is too old and doesn't comply with gcc4's standards
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00:46<pdragon>i know that the file needs those parts in it and the compile want me to take them out... so there is got to be away to remove the need for the Initialzer element of the gcc 4
00:47<sney>that's a coding issue
00:47<edbian>sney, I have two interfaces. eth0 and wlan0. wlan0 does not work because it does not have a route to the gateway. eth0 works because it does have that route. How do I remove the route I just added (it is a duplicate) and how do I add the route I want for wlan0 (not eth0) ?? Does that all make sense?
00:47<pdragon>do you know where i could find help in that area
00:47<PovAddict>pdragon: do you know what an initializer element is?
00:47<pdragon>ebdian did you make sure to tell the wlan0 to connect the the wireless ap
00:47<edbian>sney, I'm using netstat -r to look at my routes btw hope that is correct. I'm pretty lost here.
00:48<sney>the best way to look at your routes is just to do 'route'
00:48<edbian>pdragon, The wlan0 is connected to the access point. I can ping it's address and even load the little web interface (it's a linksys wireless router)
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00:48<sney>edbian: just add dev wlan0 to the command I gave you earlier
00:49<edbian>sney, Thanks! How do I remove the double default route on eth0?
00:49<PovAddict>pdragon: where did you get the MUD code you're trying to compile?
00:49<sney>route del default, but that might delete both and you'll need to add it again, having a duplicate shouldn't cause any problems though
00:50<pdragon>well i know i can not code a line like this any more extern const struct flag_type const area_flags[];
00:50<sney>edbian: and for future reference, 'man route' is useful :)
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00:50<pdragon>well i got it from my uncle who ran it for over 15 years and now he not have time to do it
00:50<PovAddict>well if you don't have a link where I can download it from, there isn't much I can do :P
00:51<pdragon>i do
00:51<edbian>sney, IOCADDRT: No such process
00:51<pdragon>one sec i go get the src you can look at
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00:51<edbian>sney, What is the exact syntax of the command I'm writing? I will read the man pages ;) thank you! :)
00:51<sney>edbian: what is the command you ran
00:51<edbian>sney, route add default gw 192.168.0.1 dev wlan0
00:51<sney>that should be it, hm
00:51<sney>well the man page can tell you better than I
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00:54<pdragon>http://pdragon.homelinux.org/Rom24src.tar.b2z
00:54<pdragon>edbian what ver deb you using >/
00:55<PovAddict>how do you compile thi thing? no makefile?
00:55<edbian>pdragon, :P I must confess. This is open suse :P I use debian lenny on my main PC though! I apologize but the suse rooms were dead. This is always helpful for me
00:55<pdragon>there is a makefile in there
00:56<PovAddict>oh yeah missed it
00:56<pdragon>:P
00:56<pdragon>its cool was just wondering what ver you use of linux :P help me think a little faster but have never used suse only deb ubuntu and solaros
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00:57<pdragon>PovAddict that is the latest after most of the fixed i could figure out how to fix
00:58<pdragon>fresh tar.b2z that is
00:59<PovAddict>what is that 'rom' file? looks like a compiled binary
01:00<pdragon>well the errors are in bit.c
01:00<pdragon>one sec i go get a good exp
01:00<edbian>sney, I can't escape this stupid "SIOCADDRT: no such process" error. Any ideas?
01:01<pdragon>well in bit.c lines 50 throw 78 errors
01:01<pdragon>well like this line
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01:01<sney>edbian: unfortunately no, I haven't dealt with the 2 interfaces thing in a while
01:02<sney>but dhcp is supposed to set your routes automatically
01:03<pdragon>bit.c:50: error initalizer element is not constant for(flag_stat_table[0].structre)
01:03<PovAddict>yeah there are a zillion of those
01:03<PovAddict>I'm not sure how to best fix it
01:04<pdragon>now you see if that was any way i could just make the ubuntu use the gcc 2.95 to compile and then i could just make it run it ran fine when we compiled it with that
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01:05<pdragon>wb edbian
01:05<PovAddict>well you could get the source code of gcc2.95
01:05<edbian>What does this mean? SIOCADDRT: No such process
01:05<edbian>pdragon, thanks :)
01:05<PovAddict>compile gcc2.95 with the gcc you have
01:05<pdragon>means you don't have that
01:06<pdragon>well how would i go about getting the scource and using it to compile the Rom24
01:06<PovAddict>no modern distro packages that ancient gcc :P
01:06<pdragon>yeah i know
01:06<edbian>pdragon, sney, I'm going to restart. I can't seen to touch the routing table at all now.
01:06<pdragon>me and my uncle are old school on the gcc compileing code lol
01:07<pdragon>ok
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01:07<sney>like a cross compiler, except for TIME TRAVEL instead of a different arch
01:07<pdragon>just has been a long time since i have messed with it
01:07<jm_>PovAddict: actually one can use old gcc 2.95 packages
01:08<PovAddict>sney: my experience with cross compilers has been really frustrating
01:08<sney>yeah it's a pain
01:08<sney>x86 to sparc, hooray
01:08<pdragon>hehe
01:08<pdragon>i have a nice sparc hehe
01:08<pdragon>remeber the old ultra one sparc box from sun
01:09<pdragon>i have 30 of them lol
01:09<PovAddict>I was trying to do powerpc to x86_64 :P
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01:10<pdragon>wb edbian
01:10<edbian>pdragon, Thank you. Same problem though. Why can I not edit my routing table?!
01:10<edbian>brb
01:10<pdragon>edbian are you using the root account to edit the table ?
01:11<pdragon>PovAddict you know its funny how many people don't know that ubuntu came from debian lol
01:11<edbian>back
01:11<pdragon>edbian are you using the root account to edit the table ?
01:11<edbian>yeah!
01:11<edbian>I'm root
01:11<pdragon>lk
01:11<pdragon>hummm
01:11<edbian>pdragon, Good thinking though :)
01:11<pdragon>what program are you using to control the wireless with
01:12<edbian>pdragon, The KDE 4.2 network manager applet thingy
01:12<pdragon>and are you using tty or xwindows
01:12<edbian>kde 4
01:12<edbian>(x
01:12<edbian>)
01:13<pdragon>blah kinda don't care to much for the kde i partal to the x11
01:13<edbian>pdragon, I've never had a system with it before. I wanted to try it out. It's not bad.
01:13<pdragon>any who have you tried to make it active on boot that is how i got mine to work wright
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01:13<edbian>pdragon, "active on boot" ??
01:14<pdragon>well you will need it to active on the linux startup you know like the apache web server the demon and all that
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01:15<edbian>pdragon, You're not making sense. I'm not running a webserver...
01:15<pdragon>that is not what im saying
01:16<pdragon>one sec i go get you a web like to show you
01:16<sney>I think his bad english is trying to talk about init
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01:16<edbian>sney, That I know.
01:17<edbian>sney, Do you have any ideas? Why can't I change my routes?
01:17<sney>nope sorry I'm not on my A-game tonight
01:18<pdragon>http://dilationtime.wordpress.com/2008/06/07/linux-automating-wireless-connection/
01:18<pdragon>that is what im talking about
01:18<sney>yes, /etc/network/interfaces could possibly get it right
01:19<edbian>pdragon, I know what you're talking about. Remove the network manager all together and do it all via command line. I'm not sure that will help! :) The system connects to an access point just fine. it just doesn't edit the routing table correctly.
01:19<pdragon>and yes i have bad english in spelling now if we on voice i could explan better lol
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01:19<edbian>pdragon, I get what you're saying now. Thanks for the help.
01:19<jm_>where does it get default gateway from?
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01:20<pdragon>well i was saying make it active on boot and unplug the lan and make it read from the wlan be defaul and use lan as a back up if the wireless ap went down
01:20<edbian>pdragon, sney, Promise you won't kill me? :P I was typing in the wrong ip address (192.168.0.1 instead of 192.168.1.1) sorry guys!! :P :P
01:20<sney>haha
01:20<sney>good one
01:20<pdragon>lol
01:20<pdragon>been there don that
01:20<sney>well at least you fixed it!
01:21<pdragon>no worries
01:21<pdragon>i just wish i could get that crap to compile right
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01:23<pdragon>and edbian this is why i have a server that controls the ips for the lan and tells them to config to the speafied ip for the profile of the pc connecting
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01:24<pdragon>hey sney you think if i get a newer copy of the rom24 that is made to compile for the newer gcc and copy over my players and custom content
01:24<pdragon>it would wor k
01:25<twb>My ntp server is bitching about being unable to bind to my bond0's IPv6 address.
01:25<twb>I don't use IPv6 -- can I just tell ntp.conf (or even /etc/network) to not use IPv6 at all?
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01:28<alephnull>twb: Alternatively, blacklist the ipv6 module.
01:28<twb>I usually try to avoid poking the kernel
01:29<twb>Plan A is actually just to add logcheck ignore filters
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01:41<Supaplex>I poked the kernel once, and it popped. was tasty after I added butter. :)
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01:55<dmz>security.debian.org issues tonight?
01:56<pdragon>none that i have notice
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01:56<twb>dmz: wfm
01:57<dmz>wfm?
01:58<Supaplex>!wfm
01:58<dpkg>well, wfm is Works for Me, or some strange corruption of hopwfm, or what fucking manual?
01:58<dmz>write fucking manual? ? familiar with rtfm but not wfm :)
01:58<dmz>:) ok
01:58<dmz>wierd
01:58<pdragon>dmz you know you can use the ubuntu packages on deb right
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01:58<jm_>security.debian.org is not a single host
01:58<dmz>wierd it's trying to use ipv6: Cannot initiate the connection to security.debian.org:80 (2001:4f8:8:36::6). - connect (101 Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:4f8:8:36::6 80]
01:59<Supaplex>blame ::1
01:59<dmz>:)
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01:59<dmz>i've disabled ipv6 on my external hosts; even more fun
01:59<pdragon>lol
02:00<pdragon>why did you disable ipv6 ?
02:00<Supaplex>check ifconfig. eg, ifconfig eth1 del dead::beef:1
02:00<dmz>because 1: i don't use it, & 2: it slows down ipv4
02:01<pdragon>well that depends on you computer and your internet speed
02:01<dmz>i've got several hundred servers and none are using ipv6; so why enable it if it's not used
02:01<dmz>at least i found my problem; thanks :)
02:02<pdragon>that is good
02:03<pdragon>but i would reather use ipv6 over ipv4 for networking and net speed
02:04<pdragon>but i do use both for my network
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02:04<dmz>when the net is fully ready for ipv6 i'll deal with it :) until then...
02:04<pdragon>i wonder why people keep timing out
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02:04<twb>pdragon: because they aren't responding fast enough
02:05<pdragon>o
02:05<jm_>I was gonna say because you talk too much but oh well :)
02:05<pdragon>im sorry im a talkative person
02:05<twb>pdragon: I'd rather use native IPv6, but until I get around to turning it on, I see no reason to run both IPv4 *and* IPv6 on my LANs.
02:06<twb>That and, you know, stuff like PXE not having good IPv6 implementations in all those e100 cards from 1998
02:07<pdragon>hehe
02:07<twb>There probably isn't even a TFTPv6 spec yet
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02:07<pdragon>i finaly updated my hole network to quads and my laptops to dualcores so i could use ipv6 and all that extra nice stuff
02:07<gat>so what happens when all the toy story characters' names are used up?
02:07<gat>pdragon: just locally or are you using a tunnelbroker?
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02:08<pdragon>tunnelbroker
02:08<Supaplex>we'll use proctor and gamble product names. </joke>
02:08<pdragon>it makes it faster when i remote desktop to my windows game server i sale steam game servers from
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02:09*Supaplex takes a deep bite into C H O C O L A T E mmmmmm
02:09<gat>Supaplex: well there is that toy story 3 movie coming out, so they may introduce some new characters
02:09<Supaplex>cool
02:09<gat>andy and zurg haven't been used yet, but they're not really in the style of the other names
02:09<Supaplex>no wonder ubuntu has to have such a strange naming strategy :)
02:09<gat>one of the aliens could work
02:09<gat>Supaplex: haha exactly
02:10<gat>it's really difficult to pick just one area to draw names from, especially a story
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02:10<gat>oh they still have to use jessie. that could be tied in with a "women in FLOSS" campaign too
02:10<gat>that would be awesome
02:10<pdragon>ill brb
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02:16<pdragon>k bck
02:17<pdragon>so i have nother question
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02:17<gat>oh wow
02:17<gat>"squeeze were the three-eyed aliens. "
02:17<Supaplex>dpkg: hold your breath
02:17*dpkg picks your breath up and holds on tight
02:17<pdragon>when someone connects throw ssh who can i remotely view them well be on there on the same tty and watch what there doing
02:17<gat>i thought squeeze was referring to that sqeezable penguin
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02:18<Supaplex>pdragon: ttysnoop
02:18<Supaplex>!tell pdragon -about search
02:19<gat>ah "Wheezy is an asthmatic squeeze penguin with a red bow tie"
02:19<pdragon>well i have seen a few programs for that i was just wondering witch on you guys and girls perfur
02:19<Supaplex>I don't use any, but /msg dpkg popcon to find out the majority
02:20<m3onh0x84>where download newest kernel for debian ?
02:20<jm_>pdragon: apt-cache show ttysnoop
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02:22<sney>m3onh0x84: backports if you want cutting edge, otherwise aptitude safe-upgrade will give you the newest your release is supposed to have
02:22<twb>It was really stupid to choose a finite set for naming
02:22<gat>it actually is a pretty long list now that i look at it
02:22<twb>Cf. RFC 1178
02:22<gat>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_story_characters
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02:23<twb>sney: no, safe-upgrade will avoid adding or removing packages -- this includes e.g. foo-common being split out of foo.
02:23<gat>"experimental" could be named "babyface" or after another one of sid's custom toy creations
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02:23<sney>twb: *shrug* it seems to have no qualms with going from 2.6.26-1 to 2.6.26-2 or such
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02:24<twb>sney: did that involve installing/removing packages, or merely upgrading them?
02:26<sney>upgrading
02:26<twb>There you are, then
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02:27<sney>so, safe-upgrade will give you the newest kernel your release (in this case his release, lenny) is supposed to have (26-2 or whatever it's at now)
02:27<sney>so you corrected me for no reason hooray
02:27<gat>that is an interesting rfc. good tips but still it's an insane process coming up with a source of names.
02:27*sney goes back to fighting with mplayer
02:27<twb>Oh, sorry, I didn't realize you were talking specifically about kernel upgrades.
02:27-!-bgupta [~bgupta@h-68-164-142-66.nycmny83.static.covad.net] has joined #debian
02:28<twb>(Though I recall in Ubuntu 8.04 there was a fuckup that prevents safe-upgrade from installing kernel security upgrades...)
02:29<jm_>doesn't it have packages like linux-image-686?
02:29<jm_>or linux-image-2.6-686
02:29<twb>jm_: it has something like linux-image -> linux-image-686 -> the real package, and the first of those three didn't get updated.
02:29<jm_>twb: ahh heh
02:29<twb>I don't remember the exact names
02:29<twb>You can easily get around it by removing the outermost metapackage, but safe-upgrade won't do that.
02:31<sney>and that, children, is why friends don't let friends use ubuntu.
02:31*Supaplex ^5's sney
02:31<twb>Oh, there are lots of other reasons
02:31<sney>tip of the iceberg I guess
02:32<twb>Getting people from RHEL to Debian is a bit like getting them from C++ to CL -- sometimes they get as far as Ubuntu (Java) and get stuck.
02:32<sney>I wish mencoder were available in non-free with a shit ton of warnings on it
02:32<twb>Sucks, but at least it ain't RHEL
02:32<sney>as opposed to not available at all
02:32<jm_>mencoder is available from dmm
02:32<sney>holy crap my new dvd burner is loud
02:33<twb>sney: mencoder is in main, last I looked
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02:33<sney>twb: nope, it's not in anything. mplayer is in main. mencoder is a debacle of dvd legal hairiness
02:33<twb>Hmm, did it get removed?
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02:34<twb>Last time I looked both marillat and main had mencoder, and it wasn't clear why anyone still bothered using marillat's archive.
02:34<twb>I guess I didn't notice because I stopped using optical drives
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02:35<jm_>that was for mplayer I think
02:35<twb>Shrug
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02:44<snogglethorpe> hmm,
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02:44<Supaplex>snogglethorpe: are you related to octothrope?
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02:45<snogglethorpe>octothorpe
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02:45<snogglethorpe>i bought a super cheap drive to read CDs and later realized it coudl not just also read DVDs, it could burn them too!
02:45<snogglethorpe>cost like $40...
02:47<snogglethorpe>i guess the "can actually charge money" segment has moved to bluray or whatever...
02:48<snogglethorpe>(perhaps most famous these days, for the new MS "lockin language", Coctothorpe)
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02:48<erin>lockin language? tell me please
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02:51<snogglethorpe>a language intended to foster windows-specific code
02:51<erin>oh like c++ or net+?
02:52<snogglethorpe>well specificaly, Coctothorpe; (octothorpe is a traditional name for the "#" character)
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02:53<twb>snogglethorpe: and presumably you're writing it that way because "cock" is a slightly vulgar term in your language
02:53<snogglethorpe>twb: of course
02:53<snogglethorpe>it's a joke!
02:53<snogglethorpe>:O
02:53<twb>A pathetic on
02:53<twb>*one
02:54<snogglethorpe>well we can't all enjoy manly sheep-burning jokes like you have down in australia
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02:54<erin>oh people dont liek that word? i thought it was a cool word you could say all the time hehe
02:54<Supaplex>and all this time I thought thorpe something about suck it. ;)
02:55<Supaplex>s/something/meant something/
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02:55<snogglethorpe>Supaplex: hmm, is that olympic swimmer...?
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02:55<twb>He's just some guy
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02:56<twb>Apparently he was a "lollard"
02:57<twb>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lollardry
02:59<snogglethorpe>twb: hmm, is that a joke entry, or a real one?
02:59<twb>snogglethorpe: that's the great thing about wikipedia
02:59<twb>You can never know
03:00<snogglethorpe>well if it's about something like george bush, you can figure it's been locked down for a while and at least vaguely accurate
03:01<snogglethorpe>for mathematical concepts, you can at least see if it basicaly makes sens
03:01<snogglethorpe>for historical things tho...
03:01<snogglethorpe>involving popular memes..
03:01<twb>snogglethorpe: did you actually look at that article?
03:01<snogglethorpe>twb: i scanned it vaguely
03:02<twb>Oh, this is #debian
03:02<twb>I was on an #emacs ramble
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03:12<jmarsden>snogglethorpe: In this case, Google define:lollard shows other sites with related definitions, so I'd say chances are high the wikipedia article is "a real one"
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03:30<slipshot>anyone know what i need to play an mp4 file?
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03:31<tofix>hello all, i would like to know if there is a way to check for the load of a transparent proxying gateway , the load average is about 1.5 on a dual core CPU, that doesn't swap .... but the 1000 users behind complain about timeout and latency , i don't see any error on ethernet interfaces "ip -s link" ;
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03:33<Chrischuh>what xD where i am landed xD debian, whats that? xD
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03:42<locklace>slipshot: mplayer
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03:43<slipshot>i have mplayer but it just wont seem to play, i thought i may need a codec or lib
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03:43<jm_>tried mplayer from dmm?
03:45<slipshot>yes
03:45<locklace>works for me
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03:45<slipshot>hmmm i guess ill try to reinstall it and go from there
03:46<valdyn>slipshot: mplayer gives pretty decent error messages
03:46<jm_>it shall tell you some details about the codec etc.
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03:47<valdyn>tofix: the 1.5 means that people arent waiting for it, basically, unless you are using a single threaded proxy software
03:47<valdyn>tofix: or maybe single process, its not squid, is it?
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03:48<tofix>valdyn : yes it's squid running on a deb with squidguard
03:49<valdyn>tofix: maybe the network *before* the proxy is congested
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03:50<pvl63>!ru
03:50<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
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03:51<Tenguch>hello
03:52<valdyn>tofix: load should be at least double digit with actual concurrent users being at least double digit id expect
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03:52<Tenguch>I have a question: is it possible to configure apt so that it will install programs on another partition that / ? my problem is: I own a MID with only 600Mo for /, but I can add an SD card. one is inserted now, about 8G.
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03:54<roland>irc://irc.otaku-irc.fr/Serial_Us
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03:54<jm_>Tenguch: you should use bind mounts to resolve the problem, or union stuff
03:55<slipshot>one thing in mplayer what codecs do you got selected in Codecs & demuxer?
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03:55<Masterkong>hello
03:55<Tenguch>jm_: hm
03:55<Masterkong>i'm a noob on debian
03:56<Tenguch>not sure it willbe good for boot up ... ?
03:56<Masterkong>where do i find the ifconfig in startup scripts
03:56<Masterkong>?
03:56<Tenguch>what if /usr is on another partition?
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03:58<jm_>that should not be a problem
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03:59<Tenguch>jm_: will test it then. thank you :)
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04:00<Masterkong>nevermind... found it
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04:32<locklace>!qotd0
04:32<dpkg><feerf> ok, the main think that does not work in Woody is that Woody is way too old (like museum now)
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04:45<wferi>Hi! Is it acceptable for a security fix to add a new external symbol to the library?
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05:01<snogglethorpe>geez, woody's not _that_ old
05:01<snogglethorpe>it's this century!
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05:06<Tenguch>jm_: nice, it's working. in fact I didn't see it, but such a mount was already done (I tried to run gdebi-gtk yesterday, and this app creates a .img on the SD, format it, sync /usr on it, and finally mount it on /usr)
05:06<jm_>Tenguch: ahh loop mount?
05:06<Tenguch>yup
05:06<jm_>yeah that's an option too
05:07<Tenguch>I didn't see this loop -.-'
05:07<Tenguch>just trying to see if it's really this right now.
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05:07<Tenguch>smartdevice does things nicely in fact. doc is just hard to find, but...
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05:09<Tenguch>\o/ gpsdrive is installed.
05:09<Masterkong>hey
05:10<Masterkong>how do i configure domain in lenny?
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05:12<jm_>Tenguch: what hardware are you using for it?
05:12<Tenguch>jm_: a smartq5, from smartdevices.com.cn
05:12<Tenguch>jm_: they provide an ubuntu karmik
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05:14<jm_>Tenguch: now you only need to find usable maps :)
05:14<jm_>a feller I know bought something similar to this, but I think his runs windows
05:14<jm_>but his looks cheaper
05:15<Tenguch>jm_: gpsdrive can "eat" OSM maps ;)
05:15<jm_>Tenguch: yeah I know, not sure how good those are for my area
05:15<Tenguch>jm_: well, smartq5 can run wince in fact (they provide both OS)
05:16<Tenguch>jm_: :) I saw that japan (espcially tokyo) is well mapped.
05:16<Tenguch>as I'm going there next month, it will be nice.
05:16<jm_>Tenguch: cool
05:17<Tenguch>I just need a bluetooth gps receiver now.
05:17<Tenguch>I found some nice one, not so expensive, linux compatible :D
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05:22<jm_>Tenguch: how much is q5?
05:22<Tenguch>mmm, ~175$ on dealextreme.com
05:22<jm_>ahh dealextreme ;)
05:22<Tenguch>(hongkong online shop)
05:22<Tenguch>ah you know it :D
05:22<jm_>yeah bought some stuff there already
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05:23<Tenguch>:)
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05:24<Tenguch>jm_: a friend of mine is compiling (!!!) gentoo on his q5 :D. he's a bit crazy, but if it works, it can be really fast. he even has modified llvm-gcc ebuild to optimize all the stuff.
05:24<Tenguch>we're wanting to put an e17 too.
05:24<jm_>Tenguch: heh
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05:25<Tenguch>he told me that speed could be x30-x100 with an optimized OS
05:25<Tenguch>have to confess, ubuntu is slow -.-.
05:25<Tenguch>(on this device ;) )
05:27<locklace>!funroll-loops
05:27<dpkg>-funroll-loops is a favorite compile time flag of the -O9999999 crowd. It's also an interesting collection of observations about the "compile everything with random CFLAGS" phenomenon which is sweeping the land, and which <Gentoo> is a prime example. See http://www.funroll-loops.info/
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05:34<mansor>Hi, I'm trying to install adblock-plus (extension for Iceweasel) with apt-get install adblock-plus but it installs it in french... how do I change it to english? ~thanks
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05:36<mansor>is it controlled directly in iceweasel? (in about:config I have general.useragent.locale set to en-US in Iceweasel) please help
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05:37<jm_>it comes with many translations, what's your locale?
05:38<mansor>I have several locale (en-us fr-ch and the same with utf8)
05:39<mansor>is it my locale that is mixing up the rest?
05:40<jm_>which one do you use to start iceweasel in?
05:40<Tenguch>maybe LANG is the most important ... ?
05:40<mansor>? I have Iceweasel in english...
05:40<mansor>LANG?
05:40<Tenguch>(in this case, that is)
05:40<Tenguch>locale LAND
05:40<Tenguch>*LANG
05:40<jm_>"locale charmap" will show it normally
05:41<Tenguch>mm. charmap only shows if it's utf or smth else.
05:41<jm_>uhh no that's charmap my bad
05:42<mansor>...?
05:42<jm_>LC_MESSAGES I suppose
05:43<mansor>how do I retrieve it?
05:43<Tenguch>mansor: my "locale" output : http://pastebin.com/d592411ed
05:43<jm_>just run locale
05:43<Tenguch>all my system is in english, though I have some fr_CH* locales.
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05:44<mansor>mine is purely in en : http://pastebin.com/m66e0d836
05:45<Tenguch>oO
05:45<xulpeter>how do i start (e.g. "xinit -- :2") a new X session without switching to it from the current X session?
05:45<Tenguch>mmm. but I installed adblock through firefox directly.
05:45<mansor>o_O? in debian?
05:45<Tenguch>mansor: -.- unfortunately.... ubuntu :/
05:45<mansor>arf...
05:46<Tenguch>doesn't iceweasel provide an addons manager ?
05:46<jm_>mansor: hmm I would expect that to be in english then, where is it in french?
05:46<jm_>Tenguch: it does
05:46<mansor>only the extension
05:46<Tenguch>mansor: what locales in iceweasel (i.e. which language do you ask in configuration) ?
05:46<mansor>when I run iceweasel it's in english and my adblock plus extension is in french o_O
05:47<xulpeter>I knew how to do it in fedora but do it in debian?
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05:47<xulpeter>s/i\ start/I start/
05:47<mansor>? how do I check the locales of iceweasel? useragent.loacle?
05:47<Tenguch>mansor: edit -> preferences -> content -> Languages what do you have as first language in there ?
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05:48<mansor>en-US
05:48<Tenguch>oO
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05:48<Tenguch>your adblock has smoked some good stuff then :D
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05:48<mansor>:-/
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05:49<mansor>I wonder... does KDE messes up the languages installations?
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05:51<jm_>does the same happen if you start iceweasel from the terminal that shows en_US as locale?
05:51<mansor>yes
05:52<mansor>I checked Kcontrol->regional->language and it's also in US English
05:52<mansor>the only place where I found fr_CH is in the main locale... I don't see it else where unless I'm missing something
05:53<jm_>main locale?
05:53<mansor>locales (dpkg-reconfigure locales)
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05:53<jm_>ok so it's generated
05:53<mansor>?
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05:54<mansor>If I run once dpkg-reconfigure locales do I need to do something else for the changes to apply?
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05:55<jm_>if you change the default it typically needs a logout
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05:56<mansor>YEAAA!
05:56<mansor>thanks jm_
05:57<mansor>that was it : a logout X-D
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05:57<mansor>made my day thanks everyone!
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05:57<jm_>wtf
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06:07<locklace>!flw
06:07<dpkg><coredmp> umm...latest is always bettter when it comes to functionality
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06:10<D-HUND>ahoy #debian
06:10<D-HUND>question: how to find out which chipsets are supported at the moment by Debian Stable? kernel 2.6.26, I guess this is
06:11<jm_>chipsets for?
06:11<locklace>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/
06:13<D-HUND>jm_: for motherboards, like AMD 785G for example
06:13<D-HUND>locklace: thanks, looks good :)
06:13<jm_>D-HUND: that includes several components, drives drive those
06:13<jm_>drivers
06:14<jm_>D-HUND: /msg dpkg hcl
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06:19<D-HUND>well, jm_ that is true, I haven't thought of that. thanks for the /msg dpkg hcl, cool tool :)
06:19<jm_>D-HUND: my point was you'll likely find info on whether individual components are supported as opposed to entire chipset
06:20<D-HUND>yeah, I got that, thanks ;)
06:21<locklace>of course, (a) it's going to work unless your hardware is completely weird; (b) it's an order of magnitude faster just to boot the image and check than grovel through hcls and release notes
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06:22<jm_>maybe he's still deciding what to buy
06:22<D-HUND>jm_: yes :D
06:22<D-HUND>locklace: good point
06:22<D-HUND>or rather point ;)
06:22<D-HUND>*points
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06:23<jm_>I was contemplating AMD too but can't find info on power usage
06:23<jm_>(not 785 for me though)
06:24<locklace>you can also search for other people using your proposed hw
06:24<D-HUND>so a new chipset will work anyway (in 'normal' case) and I can update the kernal later, if needed?
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06:25<locklace>for example, http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=80035
06:25<D-HUND>jm_: good point. there is no need for a 45 W CPU if the chipset burnes power like hell
06:25<locklace>the implication of the first message there is that the kernel works fine
06:26<D-HUND>locklace: I can see waht you mean
06:26<jm_>D-HUND: it's probably arround 50-55W in idle
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06:28<jm_>pretty good number for a desktop anyway
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06:40<D-HUND>just had a phone call, g2g soon. thank you guys, you gave me lots of good input to continue further.
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06:47<terietor>hello,when i cannot use sudo,when i use sudo via konsole it comes the following error "user is not in the sudoers file"
06:47<terietor>how can i fix it?
06:47<terietor>i have debian squeeze
06:47<Kvant>edit the sudoers file?
06:47<locklace>terietor: you could try adding the user to the sudoers file
06:47<locklace>just a guess
06:48<terietor>of course this is obvious but i cannot find the file..i search in the net and i found that the sudoers file is in the directory /etc/sudoers
06:49<terietor>but there is not sudoers folder
06:49<jm_>terietor: create it if it doesn't exist
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06:49<petemc>it should have been created tho
06:50<D-HUND> is in the directory /etc/sudoers <-- sudoers is the file
06:50<peej>why doesn't this say matched? : if [[ "eth2" == eth[1-9][0-9]* ]] ; then echo matched; fi
06:50<jm_>yeah postinst should create it I think
06:51<petemc>peej: you need to echo it?
06:52<terietor>when i type cd /etc and then nano sudoers
06:52<jm_>peej: you need =~ for extended regex
06:52<terietor>nano opens a blank file
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06:52<petemc>terietor: you need to use visudo
06:52<petemc>well, you should use visudo
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06:52<jm_>not extended as in posix ...
06:53<jm_>but not shell pattern
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06:53<petemc>terietor: do you have the sudo package installed?
06:54<jm_>although in your case you could simply say "eth2" == eth[1-9]
06:54<terietor>yes sudo is installed
06:54<peej>well, I want it to check from 1-99.
06:54<petemc>then you should have /etc/sudoers
06:55<jm_>yeah that will match it
06:55<terietor>when i type "visudo" the sudoers file opens
06:55<terietor>but if i try to open it manually it doesn't
06:56<petemc>you should use visudo anyway
06:57<terietor>ok,i use visudo and then what should i add?
06:57<petemc>depends what you want, read the docs
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06:59<terietor>ok thanks
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07:00<peej>jm_, I am, as usual, confused. Do you mean the [[]] extended test means regex "*" is not 0-or-more, but 1-or-more?
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07:02<kurumin>oi
07:02<dr|z3d>kurumin: If you want Debian support, that's the _wrong_ way to go about it.
07:02<dr|z3d>!ask
07:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:03<jm_>peej: no, I checked the man page quickly and thought [1-9] is not handled by shell patterns, but it is, and to be honest, I fail to see why it doesn't say it matches
07:03<jm_>of course I use a shell where this works ;)
07:04<kurumin>ae oi
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07:04<locklace>!br
07:04<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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07:05<peej>(heads over to #bash)
07:05<locklace>!tell peej about zsh
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07:06<locklace>!tell peej about zsh
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07:07<peej>oh dear. all the k3wl people are using zsh.
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07:07<jm_>somehow it feels like it can't handle * to also work for 0 matches
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07:28<peej>jm_, well, your bash fu is pretty strong. A #bash guy said == inside [[]] is for globs, and =~ for regex. If I'd RTFM for [[]], I'd have seen that.
07:29<jm_>peej: sure, but it says pattern matching rules apply and those mention [] and *
07:30<peej>argh, you're confusing me again...
07:30<jm_>for example, if [[ "eth2" == eth[1-9] ]] works
07:30<jm_>but eth[1-9][0-9]* doesn't
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07:35<jm_>ok I think I get it, "a*" means a<any string, even empty>, not 0 or more occurences of "a" ;)
07:36<jm_>that's why one needs =~
07:36<jm_>I have switched to extended regex in zsh ling time ago ...
07:36<jm_>long too
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07:37<Iber_ELMO>Juhee Juhee weil ma iberringer san
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07:45<peej>jm_, yes, I see. == for pattern matching, =~ for regex(3) matching. _Pattern_ matching with * implies (null or any), which not what _regex_ matching does (regex like you say, implies 0 or more). Phew. All is well in bash land.
07:46<jm_>peej: yup
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07:56<grummund>hi, anyone know how to list the samba shares on a remote machine if all you have is it's IP?
07:57<grummund>with 'smbclient -L host -I 192.168.9.207' i get the errors: "session request to HOST failed (Called name not present)" "session request to *SMBSERVER failed (Not listening on called name)"
07:58<grummund>so how do i discover the hostname?
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07:59<jm_>smbclient -L 192.168.9.207 ?
08:00<xulpeter>how do i start (e.g. "xinit -- :2") a new X session without switching to it from the current X session?
08:00<jm_>still working on that I see ;)
08:04<xulpeter>jm_: heh
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08:09<munga>which maps should I use in postfix to associate an entire domain to a error message ? (that is, I return an error message for each message sent to this domain)
08:10<munga>it's not virtual
08:10<munga>it's not canonical
08:10<munga>it's ... ?
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08:11<Tenguch>jm_: hey, for smartq5, there's a nice thing: according to what I see on google (http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news_details.php?id=18786 for example) pictures is not like the one I own now
08:11<Tenguch>*are
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08:14<mansor>hello, I wanted to change the language of adblock-plus (extension in iceweasel) and I managed to do so only for the root by running dpkg-reconfigure locales. Is there a difference in root/users for these locales? I tried to lougout/login the user but it didn't work, do I need to reboot?
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08:47<freenguello>non vedo un cazzooooooooooooo
08:47<freenguello>tuto stortooo
08:47<freenguello>come cavolo faccio mo
08:47<freenguello>se sapevo non toccavo niente
08:48<freenguello>non leggo na mazza scrivo solo
08:48<dr|z3d>!it
08:48<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
08:48<freenguello>porca eva i troia infame
08:48<dr|z3d>freenguello: Please speak English here or avail yourself of the Italian channel.
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09:00<adnan>hey guys
09:00<adnan>any channel for the oracle ?
09:01<locklace>#delphi
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09:03<mansor>if I modify dpkg-reconfigure locales will it change the keyboard layout?
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09:08<MoDaX>mansor: no
09:09<mansor>thanks
09:09<MoDaX>mansor: which debian suite?
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09:10<mansor>? what is a debian suite?
09:10<MoDaX>stable, testing, unstable
09:10<mansor>stable
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09:10<adnan>couldn't be able to connect to oracle channel for some reason
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09:12<adnan>I have tried installing oracle9i on ubuntu but getting error message when i try to run database assistant to create database "zip file not found"
09:12<MayaT>hello :)
09:12<Titan8990>adnan, this isn't ubuntu and I'm sure oracle offers their own support for their outrageously priced products
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09:13<MayaT>i download the iso file.. then burn to dvd using infraRecorder.. but.....
09:13<MayaT>but i still cant install..... :(
09:13<adnan>Titan8990, ok but i thought may be you guys will be a bit helpful
09:13<mansor>thanks again debian people! you rock!
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09:14<Titan8990>MayaT, dvd?
09:14<Titan8990>!ubuntu
09:14<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
09:14<Titan8990>adnan, no, sorry
09:15<Titan8990>MayaT, how far does it get?
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09:16<MayaT>Titan8990, yes debian-update-5.0.3-i386-DVD-1
09:16<MayaT>and debian-503-i386-DVD-5
09:16<MayaT>i try both
09:17<Titan8990>MayaT, most people use the 200mb netinst cd
09:17<gsimmons>MayaT: The update CD/DVD images are not bootable.
09:18<MayaT>what that means?
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09:18<MayaT>sorry coz i not verry gud in english...
09:18<MayaT>:)
09:19<MayaT>The update CD/DVD images are not bootable.???
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09:20<MayaT>wait i check again
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09:31<MayaT>3 days read the manual installation pdf :)
09:32<MayaT>haha
09:33<MayaT>!wiki debian-malaysia
09:34<MayaT>wups! :)
09:35<MayaT>still running.. i try burn this iso file using nero
09:36<MayaT>65%
09:37<peej>I have a file in if-up.d/ with iptables entries. These fail randomly for the interfaces they match. Is that because they should really be in if-post-up?
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09:39<peej>fail, as in, on boot up. Running the lines afterwords works. Randomly, as in, different rule fails each time.
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09:42<bbou>hi
09:42<MayaT>hye 2 u 2
09:43<bbou>i have a pb too configure apache and userdir with auth
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09:44<bbou>he say me that he culdn't open password file : /home/*/web/passwd/.htpasswd
09:44<bbou>the file ad benne made with htpasswd -c
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09:46<MayaT>why only this 3 folder file.. dists,pool and .disk ???????
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09:47<MayaT>bbou, help me
09:47<bbou>if i can
09:47<bbou>what is the pb ?
09:47<gsimmons>dpkg: update-cd
09:47<dpkg>From the Debian CD image FAQ: "Update CDs are CDs which contain all the packages that changed between the rev0 and a later revN release of the current stable distribution." These are not installation images and therefore not bootable; ask me about <install debian> for installation images. Also ask me about <apt-cdrom> and <iso>.
09:49<MayaT>so how???
09:49<MayaT>:(
09:49<bbou>you can download debian on www.debian.org
09:50<MayaT>yes i do
09:50<MayaT>i download 4
09:50<bbou>too update my dubian i use : apt-get update
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09:50<MayaT>owhhh
09:52<bbou>and too upgrade : apt-get upgrade
09:52<MayaT>bbou, which 1 is esier for beginer like me
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09:53<MayaT>i download debian-update-5.0.3-i386-DVD-1 and debian-503-i386-DVD-5
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09:55<bbou>if you have internet : http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-503-i386-netinst.iso
09:55<bbou>net install is easyer
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09:56<bbou>at the basic install launch : apt-get install x-window-system xdm blackbox iceweasel
09:57<MayaT>ok but i dont want to install in this machine
09:57<MayaT>ok ok
09:57<bbou>too use icq : apt-get install pidgin
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09:57<handheldCar>apt-get install irssi :P
09:58<paacanke>hi all
09:58<bbou>hi
09:58<MayaT>bbou, slowly... let me do the first step first.... :)
09:58<MayaT>paacanke, hi 2 u 2
09:58<paacanke>im from indonesia
09:58<paacanke>lemme rename
09:58<bbou>i'm french
09:58<paacanke>_ID_Jolicloud_
09:58*MayaT malaysian... :)
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09:59<peej>nope, if-post-up.d/ doesn't actually run
10:00<_ID_Jolicloud_>good to be part of deb family, im newbie
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10:02<bbou>nice good luck too you
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10:05<MayaT>i'm not a part of debian family coz still cant install debian into my machine... :( uwaaaaaaaaaaa..huk huk huk.. :(
10:05<locklace>!hug MayaT
10:05*dpkg gives MayaT a hug
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10:05<MayaT>!hug locklace
10:05*dpkg gives locklace a hug
10:06<MayaT>hahaha
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10:07*MayaT have no basics in computer... but i like to lern.. go MayaT go.. u can do it... :) hehehh
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10:08<MayaT>Malaysia Boleh! :)
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10:08*MayaT download a new installer...
10:08<_ID_Jolicloud_>Q: how does the kernel create now additional line on booting source.list?
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10:09<locklace>what
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10:09<amphi>_ID_Jolicloud_: eh?
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10:09<_ID_Jolicloud_>MayaT= dead body?
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10:10<_ID_Jolicloud_>I am on dual boot, with XP, so those lines appears after booting before flash appears
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10:17<MayaT>MayaT= dead body?.. yes! Dead body in Malay.. :))
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10:19<bb4>hi
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10:20<bb4>during an apt-get upgrade i got stuck at "saslauthd[27638] :have_baby : forked child: 27642", i killed it after 2 hours and now apt-get doesn't work any more. i need to do a dpkg --configure -a which gets me back to the sasl line...
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10:56<ottoshmidt>hello, is there a gaaw to install genius modem driver?
10:56<dr|z3d>!ndis-wrapper
10:57<dr|z3d>ottoshmidt: Yes, ndis-wrapper if all else fails.
10:57<MayaT>ottoshmidt, say hello 2 u 2..
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10:57<ottoshmidt>MayaT, why that?>
10:57<ottoshmidt>:)
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10:59<ottoshmidt>!ndis-wrapper
10:59<ottoshmidt>hmm
10:59<ottoshmidt>!ndiswrapper
10:59<dpkg>NDISwrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so they can be used in Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your device, first consider that instead, for wireless LAN ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to install. 16-bit PC Card (PCMCIA) devices are not supported. http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/ #ndiswrapper on irc.freenode.net.
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11:01<bbou>is there somebody how can help me with apache ?
11:01<dr|z3d>bbou: irc://irc.freenode.net/apache
11:01<kie27>Greets all, silly problem that is annoying me, trying to watch a video on a web page that works on windows, (tried it at an internet cafe), but gives me an error about being unable to load stylesheet. I am running debian squeeze, http://www.effinfunny.com/legend-of-neil/seasons?vid=5564&sid=2
11:02<bbou>thx
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11:02<ottoshmidt>dr|z3d, and do you know the linux command to list modems
11:02<ottoshmidt>?
11:03<dr|z3d>lspci
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11:08<icebrain>kie27: loads fine here. What browser, iceweasel?
11:08<m3onh0x84>bye bye everybody, /me tired of
11:08<kie27>icebrain: yes
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11:10<icebrain>kie27: any extension that might mess with styles or page presentation of any kind? also, have you tried clearing the cache?
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11:13<kie27>icebrain: just cleared cache but no difference, only have 5 extensions, will try disabling them all...
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11:14<Tuplad>I have downloaded a linux distro for a usb drive, how can I check if my usb drive can be booted up ? is there any configuration needed ? (couldn't find no information on the site)
11:14<kie27>icebrain: disabling all extensions and clearing cache makes no difference, i have also tried with other browsers and get the same error
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11:15<dr|z3d>Tuplad: Check your bios.
11:15<icebrain>kie27: what browsers? any non-gecko based?
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11:15<Tuplad>dr|z3d: check for what :o ?
11:15<Tuplad>dr|z3d: oh, I see
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11:16<Tuplad>dr|z3d: I meant like: how can I see if my usb drive is compatible to be a bootable usb
11:16<dr|z3d>Tuplad: Check for option to boot from external usb or similar.
11:16<Tuplad>dr|z3d: I thought not every usb stick can be booted
11:16<kie27>icebrain: iceweasel and an old version of opera
11:16<dr|z3d>Tuplad: Use unetbootin. It should be fine.
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11:16<icebrain>kie27: that's really strange.. other flash videos show up fine?
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11:17<Tuplad>icebrain: but I have just downloaded a personally customized distro :(
11:17<kie27>icebrain: youtube and other sites work fine, all videos on atom.com give me this error
11:18<Tuplad>sorry icebrain, wrong person.
11:18<Tuplad>dr|z3d: but I have just downloaded a personally customized distro :(
11:18<icebrain>kie27: you have the Adobe flash player, not gnash or anything like that, right?
11:19<kie27>icebrain: how do i check?
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11:19<Tuplad>dr|z3d: oh I see, I've checked the program. the thing is though, the archive I've downloaded is a tar.gz archive with a .raw file in it, or is it the wrong thing I need ?
11:21<kie27>icebrain: don't think i am running gnash
11:22<icebrain>kie27: sorry, to make sure, you can go to Tools → Addons and then Plugins
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11:22<dr|z3d>Tuplad: Ideally you'd want a .iso though you may be able to convert the .raw file.
11:22<icebrain>you should have "Shockwave Flash" if you have Adobe Flash player
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11:22<Tuplad>dr|z3d: oh, then I'll get the iso, no probs.
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11:25<kie27>icebrain: there are a lot of plugins, VLC Multimedia, Windows Media Player, Shockwave Flash, Realplayer 9, Quicktime, Picasa, mplayer, Java, Helix, DivX
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11:26<icebrain>kie27: yeah, but you only have one Flash player, the same I have... I don't know what to tell you. What's the exact text of the error?
11:27*MayaT ~gtg~ time to sleep.... bye... c ya....
11:27<icebrain>kie27: by the way, "Windows Media Player"? is there a linux plugin for wmp? wow
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11:29<Tuplad>dr|z3d: thx for the tip, will try to figure something out :D
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11:29<kie27>icebrain: Error Loading Stylesheet RSL http://media.mtvnservices.com/global/flex/rsl/framework_3.2.0.3958.swz failed to load. Error #2046
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11:33<kie27>icebrain: not sure about wmp plugin have not really touched iceweasel plugins for ages
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11:34<FriedCPU>anyone know if the etch repos are still online? trying to netinst etch, it manages to get the package list but then just hangs trying to get the packages, tried 5 different servers in various locations
11:35<icebrain>kie27: it seems that error is common in linux flash player
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11:36<Titan8990>!5% error
11:36<dpkg>rumour has it, 5% error is d-i stopping at 5%? Boot the installer with `linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like. Since <etch> has been released, you should be downloading a released version of the installer from debian.org which would not have this problem.
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11:37<FriedCPU>i did download it from debian.org lol
11:38<FriedCPU>will try booting the install with allow unauthenticated :)
11:38<FriedCPU>cheers Titan8990
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11:38<icebrain>kie27: people in ubuntu forums say it works if you uninstall flashplugin-nonfree, then go to http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ , download the .deb, then _close_ iceweasel and install the deb
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11:38<kie27>icebrain: thanks, will do that now...
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11:53<FriedCPU>woo thanks alot Titan8990, installing now :)
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11:59<Titan8990>FriedCPU, nice
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12:04<kie27>icebrain: hmm, youtube not working, opening the previously problematic page crashes the browser. tried uninstalling and reinstalling the .deb package but same result
12:06<icebrain>kie27: sorry, I can't find any other solutions :|
12:06<kie27>icebrain: thanks for trying to help me solve it.
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12:07<lordeamon>hello world
12:07<icebrain>hi
12:07<locklace>!greet lordeamon
12:07<dpkg>Hi there, lordeamon
12:07<kie27>bye all
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12:08<icebrain>cya
12:08<lordeamon>somebody know launch of backtrack 4 full
12:08<locklace>!backtrack
12:08<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.remote-exploit.org/backtrack.html #remote-exploit on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
12:08<lordeamon>date
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12:35<ottoshmidt>ndiswrapper appeared to be for wlan modems and is there a way to install phone modem driver, like Genius GM56PCI-SA
12:35<ottoshmidt>?
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12:47<kop>When I do "gdb -c core" I should be able to then type "bt" to get a backtrace, right?
12:47<stephans>Hi, how can I remove at the end of each line on a script; the wierd carret and capital M that is appearing only in vim?
12:47<locklace>stephans: tr -d ^V^M < file
12:47<themill>stephans: that's indicating a mixture line-endings
12:48<sney>ottoshmidt: many modems are called "winmodems", which means they don't have a chip on the modem itself that does the work, it's all software. These modems are not usually supported under linux, but you may have some success finding a driver to use at www.linmodems.org
12:48<kop>stephans: That's a MS-DOS end of line convention, to end lines with cr-lf instead of just lf.
12:48<stephans>themill, I suspected as much... can I convert the text file to unix?
12:48<kop>stephans: There may be a mode in the editor that supports it, there is in emacs. (Or you can remove them.)
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12:48<themill>!dos2unix
12:48<dpkg>[dos2unix] a tool for converting from DOS line endings (CR LF) to unix line endings (LF). The dos2unix (and unix2dos) utilities are in the package "tofrodos". For other methods, ask me about <crlf->unix>
12:48<stephans>kop, how do I change all of the returns?
12:49<kop>stephans: locklace said, use tr.
12:49<stephans>ok
12:49<stephans>thank you
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12:51<ottoshmidt>sney, ok thanx
12:52<stephans>dos2unix worked!
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12:52<locklace>!congratulate stephans
12:52<dpkg>Nice one stephans, you did it!
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12:54<cross>hello room
12:54<locklace>!room
12:54<dpkg>CHANNEL!
12:54<weasel>dpkg++
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12:55<woden>Hello, I am trying to setup a dual boot with grub. I have Fedora 12 installed on /dev/sda and Debian Stable installed on /dev/sdb. I tried to add the following lines to the /boot/grub/menu.1st, but when I select to boot Debian I get an "Error 15". What am I doing wrong? http://fpaste.org/mD7q/
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12:56<xapplet>:)
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12:57<xapplet>:(
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12:57<locklace>!next
12:57<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
12:59<sney>woden: does debian have a separate /boot on /dev/sdb1?
12:59<woden>sney: Yes it does
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13:00<woden>So like this?
13:00<woden>root (hd1,0)
13:00<woden> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686
13:00<woden> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686
13:00<sney>that's about what mine looks like
13:01<woden>sney, But there is a sym link at the root of /dev/sdb1 that points to those files...
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13:01<sney>I don't think bootloaders like symlinks
13:01<sney>if it was a hardlink it would be ok
13:01<woden>sney, Alright I'll give this a shot. Thanks
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13:02<unbounded11>hi friends i just finish up install debian stable lenny release
13:02<unbounded11>everything is perfect and flawless
13:03<unbounded11>except one thing. i know i should not as this question in this room but may be someone has go through same succiation as i did.
13:03<sney>just ask
13:03<unbounded11>i have 1 4870 and 1 4770 graphics card and 3 monitors
13:03<unbounded11>but all my tries i make 2 monitor works on 4870
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13:06<sney>unbounded11: #ati on irc.freenode.net should be able to help you
13:07<simonrvn>um, they tolerate symlinks
13:07<jason_>hi there, would someone be able to point me in the right direction? I have a sparc ultra10 and im trying to set up debian. i managed to get to the boot screen, but when it runs the install it hangs at "consolse handover: boot[earlyprom0] -->real [tty0]
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13:14<unbounded11>thanks sney
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13:17<woden>sney: I tried it like this:
13:17<woden>title War Eagles Utility Disc
13:17<woden> root (hd1,0)
13:17<woden> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686
13:17<woden> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686
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13:17<woden>But I still get Error 15: File not found
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13:19<woden>Here is my entire grub config: http://fpaste.org/q4v5/
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13:19<woden>What am I doing wrong?
13:19<PovAddict>I want to install a DNS cache
13:19<PovAddict>what do you recommend?
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13:20<sney>woden: I'm not sure. have you tried going to the grub prompt and navigating to the files manually, just to verify that (hd1,0) is really where grub considers them to be?
13:21<PovAddict>I found djbdns but looks like the Debian package doesn't help much compared to installing from source
13:21<woden>sney: Well I just installed a second hard drive and it is located at /dev/sdb
13:21<PovAddict>I'd have to create user accounts etc
13:21<sney>woden: it can't hurt to check
13:22<PovAddict>I'd like something that is already packaged with an init.d script and stuff
13:22<woden>sney, fdisk -l says it is /dev/sdb1 and when I mount the drive from Fedora, the path is /boot/vmlinuz* and /boot/initrd*
13:23<sney>woden: you can sit there and argue with me why you don't need to do it, or you can give it a shot and make sure it's not the problem
13:23<sney>your choice
13:23<PovAddict>heh
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13:23<woden>sney, How do I go to the grub prompt and navigate to the files manually?
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13:24<sney>since you're still on grub-legacy, it should just be by becoming root and running 'grub'
13:24<woden>sney: I'm using the grub from Fedora 12, is that legacy?
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13:25<sney>your menu.lst looks like legacy. grub-pc is more advanced
13:25<woden> GNU GRUB version 0.97
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13:25<sney>yep
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13:25<woden>now I have a grub prompt
13:25<woden>what do I type there?
13:26<sney>menu.lst is little more than a list of commands that get passed to the grub binary
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13:26<sney>start with specifying the root device, then you can ls like in a regular bash prompt
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13:26<woden>specifying the root device? you mean telling it that /dev/sdb is the root device?
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13:27<sney>read your own file, man
13:27<sney>root (hd1,0)
13:27<sney>right?
13:27<woden>yes
13:27<woden>That should be /dev/sdb1
13:27<sney>grub doesn't understand /dev filenames
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13:28<woden>yea, but (hd1,0) is the equivalent of /dev/sdb1 yes?
13:28<sney>in most cases
13:28<sney>but that's what we're checking
13:28<woden>I'm sorry I dont know what exactly to type at the grub prompt I have here
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13:28<PovAddict>the same thing you have in the menu.lst
13:28<woden>oh
13:28<sney>well not the whole thing
13:28<sney>just start with the root line
13:28<sney>and then ls to see if the files you expect are there
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13:29<woden>grub> root (hd1,0)
13:29<woden>root (hd1,0)
13:29<woden> Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83
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13:30<woden>grub> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686
13:30<woden>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686
13:30<woden> [Linux-bzImage, setup=0x3000, size=0x16c8f0]
13:30<sney>oh, so you don't have a separate /boot
13:30<sney>that's the problem
13:30<woden>grub> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686
13:30<woden>initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686
13:30<woden>Error 16: Inconsistent filesystem structure
13:31<sney>it's ok we already figured it out
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13:31<PovAddict>don't continue or it will try to boot :P
13:31<sney>your menu.lst needs to say /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 instead of just /vmlinuz-2.6.26 etc
13:31<woden>So my /boot is on the same partition as my root /
13:31<sney>yes
13:32<woden>sney, But that's what my menu.1st already says
13:32<woden>see http://fpaste.org/q4v5/
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13:32<woden>That's my config from /dev/sda device running Fedora 12
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13:33<sney>hmm
13:34<PovAddict>I don't see the /boot there
13:34<sney>I guess the war eagles thing is his debian install
13:34<woden>Yes it is
13:34<PovAddict>so fedora *does* have a separate /boot partition?
13:35<woden>PovAddict, Yes it does
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13:35<woden>Here is my fdisk -l output: http://fpaste.org/NROS/
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13:40<woden>sney, PovAddict, Any idea what I am doing wrong?
13:40<sney>I'm thinking
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13:41<PovAddict>I want to install a DNS cache, what do you recommend?
13:41<PovAddict>djbdns seems to be messy to set up; it has its own startup system (daemontools), not init.d-based
13:41<petemc>bind9
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13:42<petemc>for a caching nameserver, theres nothing to set up
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13:54<Web-sidux320>cannot unistall ati propriety driver from lenny help
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14:01<mib_bhsw5j>Hey
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14:02<mib_bhsw5j>A little help here, I tried removing Debian from my laptop but I forgot about removing GRUB, so when I try and boot I now get a GRUB error: 17..any way to bypass this screen and boot into windows?
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14:04<petemc>mib_bhsw5j: boot with windows cd, you can fix the mbr from the recovery console
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14:05<mib_bhsw5j>Small problem there; I dont have a cd drive in my laptop.
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14:06<mib_bhsw5j>Any way to get a 'recovery console' on a USB stick?
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14:06<petemc>perhaps bart pe or one of its variants
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14:06<petemc>off topic for here
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14:06<mib_bhsw5j>I'll try, thanks
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14:08<mib_bhsw5j>BartPE isn't gonna work, my USB stick only has 256 MB.
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14:09<D-HUND>mib_bhsw5j: you only need a bootable DOS on your stick
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14:13<mib_bhsw5j>Well how do I go about getting a bootable DOS on my usb?
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14:24<cq>hello, do you have any recommendations fo rbacku psoftware? I have debian, ubuntu and windows machines ... looking at bacula and amanda, or are there others that work better?
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14:32<Sallin>I'm using rsnapshot
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14:32<Sallin>and I like it a lot
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14:33<Sallin>not a gui though
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14:33<dawid>hi. Would You be so generous and help with wireless connection in my laptom T60 - Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) - it works with my home network, but doesn't with protected one
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14:34<dawid>it workes alike by wpa_supplicant and networkmannager
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14:34<dawid>im using wext
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14:34<_>dawid, i guess the easiest way is to switch to wicd instead of network manager
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14:35<_>dawid, i'm not sure at all by the way
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14:37<dawid>i'm trying to connect to eduroam network in my universicy - as far it workes only with older t23 and removal network card
14:39<_>hello, i have a little difficult during update here, possibly with versions of libraries (but i didn't mix branches, so it looks weird), anyway while trying to upgrade few of them a get for example: "libsnmp15: Depends: libsnmp-base (>=5.4.2.1~dfsg-3) but 5.4.1~dfsg-12 installed. Running debian squeeze, any tips on how to fix that? Thanks and sorry for my english.
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14:40<dawid><_> thanks a lot - i'll try with wicd tomorrow - we will see. S2
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14:41<sney>dawid: you may just need to do a full-upgrade
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14:44<dawid><sney> You dist-upgrade ?? - I'm using squeeze, and it's always updated to the newest versions
14:44<sney>full/dist yes
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14:44<sney>aptitude may be able to solve the dependency issue too
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14:45<sney>do aptitude safe-upgrade and it'll probably present you with some options
14:45<PovAddict>interactive aptitude ftw
14:45<sney>interactive aptitude gives me scary flashbacks to dselect
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14:46<dawid>this network is secured by WPA-EAP, TTLS, phase2="auth=PAP"
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14:46<sney>oh, sorry, I mistook that question after yours for being yours
14:46<sney>omg_onoez: you may just need to do a full-upgrade
14:47<dawid>but thanks - I'll try tomorrow
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14:47<omg_onoez>sney, it was mine i guess =) but i was installing freshly testing squeeze branch
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14:49<qwertyuiop>hi all, do you if is it possible to build a debian installation on raid1 over 2 usb drives from d-i?
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14:50<qwertyuiop>it's meanted to be for lenny
14:53<sney>you can set up LVM from within the installer
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14:53<sney>so, yes, provided the installer can see your usb drives
14:53<qwertyuiop>i tried, but on the next reboot
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14:54<qwertyuiop>i've got a busybox shell prompting (initramfs)
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14:59<bighornram>After doing an install from aptitude -t unstable (to a testing OS) will the upgraded package always stay at unstable or will aptitude safe-upgrade command resume the testing version when the installed unstable version becomes the testing version?
15:00<qwertyuiop>sney?
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15:01<sney>qwertyuiop: sorry, I haven't used LVM in the longest time, but it's probably an issue with device names
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15:02<MNZ>I need to customize a certain package (php5). I got the sources (apt-get source) but I'm not sure how to change configuration options. Any pointers (no xkcd references please)?
15:03<qwertyuiop>sney: ok, thanks anyway
15:04<qwertyuiop>i thought it too, but just i can't get out from this ;-)
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15:16<_>having problem with dbus, running debian squeeze, dbus starts, xsession options seem fine, ps aux shows dbus is running, still getting http://pastebin.com/m21c99329
15:17<PovAddict>o_o
15:17<PovAddict>are you running that as root?
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15:19<_>PovAddict, yep
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15:20<PovAddict>X as root?
15:20<_>PovAddict, tried reinstalling dbus, restarting it
15:20<PovAddict>I mean your session
15:20<_>PovAddict, no, i don't run X as root
15:21<_>oh!
15:21<_>:D
15:21<PovAddict>each user has its own session bus
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15:21<_>PovAddict, it was my stupid, yep, sorry =)))
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15:28<locklace>!qotd0
15:28<dpkg>[zen of unix processes] <teledyn> wait, if false runs and fails as its supposed to, doesn't that mean it succeeded?
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15:33<PovAddict>!qotd0
15:33<dpkg><TCossuto> is p2p still active? Does debian support p2p?
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15:51<bighornram>anyone? once using aptitude -t unstable to install a packge will it REMAIN unstable during subsequent safe-upgrades?
15:53<Titan8990>!ssb
15:53<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
15:53<Titan8990>bighornram, you shouldn't install binaries from unstable
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15:54<MNZ>eh, that actually answers my unanswered question. thanks bighornram
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15:57<bighornram>I installed nautilus from unstable since mr. google seemed to indicate the preferences bug was fixed in it. ok so now I'm upgraded to unstable nautilus. seems to be working fine. will it remain at unstable or eventually be all testing again.
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16:08<fsateler>bighornram: apt will not downgrade any packages without explicit action by you
16:08<bighornram>am i better off to leave my upgraded package at unstable to let testing catch up or downgrade since I've already done the update?
16:08<fsateler>so it will stay at that version until a newer one reaches testing (assuming you have preferences set to testing)
16:09<bighornram>correct
16:09<bighornram>or manually install the package from testing
16:09<fsateler>bighornram: presumably downgrading will leave you with an unfixed package...
16:09<bighornram>then safe-upgrade in aptitude will fix the dependencies won't it?
16:10<fsateler>hmm, I think I am confused
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16:10<fsateler>you did aptitude -t unstable install nautilus
16:10<kop>I've got a RTL8108L (rev 20) pcmcia wireless card and can't get it to work. I tried installing pcmciautils and adding 'iface wlan0 inet dhcp' to the interfaces file and installing 2.6.30 from bpo (I'm running lenny). wiconfig says that the signal strength is 0. I don't want any encryption or anything in particular, I just want it to connect to a wireless network. Am I doing something wrong or is the hardware broken or is the card just unsupported? I've not
16:10<fsateler>right?
16:10<bighornram>yes
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16:10<fsateler>so now you are windering if doing a safe-upgrade will downgrade to the package from testing?
16:10<bighornram>if i manually install testing version of nautilus, will it downgrade the dependencies?
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16:11<fsateler>I do not think so.
16:11<bighornram>so best bet is to do nothing and i will eventually return to testing since i have testing set in preferences.
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16:12<sney>dependencies tend to be newer-than as opposed to a specific version
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16:12<sney>and testing-unstable mix is not just something you made up, installing specific packages from sid to a testing system is something lots of people do
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16:13<bighornram>sney: no i didn't make that up.. :D seems to be fine.
16:13<fsateler>yes, eventually you will be back at a testing-only setup
16:13<bighornram>fsateller: nice.
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16:26<ShipiboConibo>hi, is it okay to ask a noobish bind related question here? #help is not very active at the moment.
16:27<Titan8990>ShipiboConibo, #bind on irc.freenode.net
16:28<ShipiboConibo>Thanks Titan8990!
16:29<Titan8990>ShipiboConibo, good luck, and if that doesn't work out you can try ##networking on the same server
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17:06<leikh>I'm having quite the struggle with encoding the subject header for php mail. base64_encoding just shows up as rubbish, despite the fact that I define the Content-Transfer-Encoding to be base64. Any experts on php mail here?
17:07<envyless>has anybody compiled an SQL tutor program called "galaxql" on debian ?
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17:08<babilen>envyless: I would think so
17:09<babilen>envyless: Depends on how many people wanted to run galaxql on Debian before.
17:09<envyless>:-) anybodt here right now? :-)
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17:09<babilen>!anybody
17:09<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
17:10<envyless>Its just i am a real beginner but a friend tried compiling it for me on fedora and another distro and failed-and he has been using linux since 95
17:12<babilen>envyless: It might be, that the program is broken then. What is the issue?
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17:12<envyless>well i thought i might get lucky here, as i run debian-this is the first place i wanted to ask
17:12<millenium>e a tutti
17:12<sney>envyless: when you tried to compile your program, what did you do, and what happened?
17:12<sney>we will support you but you have to give us information :P
17:12<babilen>envyless: It is quite hard to help if we don't know the problem. Paste the output of your compilation attempt somewhere.
17:13<babilen>envyless: Tell us what you ... ^^^^ sney already mentioned that :-)
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17:13<envyless>just a shot in the dark-i am not asking for that kind of help , right now, just if anyone actually has used that SQL tutorial on debian
17:13<sney>it's possible. we don't knwo
17:14<babilen>I have not
17:14<sney>I haven't personally tried it, but I've been compiling things since 2003
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17:14<sney>so odds are I will still have relevant information
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17:14<millenium>ci sono italiani
17:15<locklace>!it
17:15<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
17:15<babilen>envyless: I would suggest you try to compile it yourself and ask about specific problems in here. Do not hesitate to ask "basic" questions like: "Which package do i need to install to get a <language> compiler" and that...
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17:15<envyless>i will ask some friends who run debian, for that kind of help-thanks for your interest though- and please excuse my ignorance of the issue- you are right i should have asked from the start" does anyone run this program on debian?"
17:16<millenium>ok grazie
17:16<millenium>voi rimanete qui
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17:16<sney>envyless: also, http://popcon.debian.org/
17:16<envyless>yes i will, it will however be the very first program i will have compiled - so that is why i wanted to know if anyone has used it before
17:17<envyless>thanks!
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17:18<babilen>envyless: There always is a first time. If you need help just ask :-) It might not be the best choice though if the program really is that hard to compile. Good luck!
17:18<envyless>i think it has quite a few dependancies - so maybe not any easy first one to compile ( if my firend couldnt :-S )
17:18<babilen>envyless: Just try it and come here as soon as you run into problems.
17:18<envyless>i will see how far i can get though-thanks!
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17:20<envyless>i will try - i will also try find a debian user of the program too ;)
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17:31<millenium>notte a tutti
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17:34<pl_>hi
17:35<sney>hi
17:35<pl_>does anybody knows if the fstab entry for / is actually used? and if so - how it is related to rootflags passed to kernel/initrd?
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17:43<valdyn>pl_: its not used except to get df output something proper
17:44<valdyn>pl_: or if the fstab entry is wrong you will probably never notice
17:44<pl_>valdyn: thx
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17:44<valdyn>pl_: flags might still apply
17:45<valdyn>pl_: but if you specificy the wrong partition you wont notice except that "df" will output nonsense
17:45<pl_>valdyn: so i can safely ditch fstab entry for /?
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17:46<valdyn>pl_: theoretically
17:46<valdyn>pl_: ive done alot with *wrong* entries, not with *missing* entries
17:46<pl_>valdyn: i assume that `cat /proc/mounts` should show me applied flags
17:46<pl_>valdyn: ok, i'll take the risk ;)
17:47<valdyn>rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0
17:47<valdyn>thats my /proc/ entry
17:47<valdyn>thats my /proc/mounts entry
17:47<valdyn>missing the device...
17:47<pl_>pl_: i've got two entries for /
17:47<pl_>pl_: one is just like yours
17:47<pl_>s/pl_/valdyn/ ;)
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17:47<pl_>valdyn: second one refers to actual device
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17:48<valdyn>pl_: ah, yea
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17:49<peej>I have a file in if-up.d/ with iptables -A entries. Some work, some don't for the interfaces they match. Running manually after some time, they work. Seems to be a time-after-interface-is-up issue. Comments?
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17:49<Nazcafan>good evening
17:49<pl_>valdyn: i don't know what is rationale for two occurences of / in /proc/mounts
17:50<peej>oh, yeah, and what works and doesn't seems random.
17:50<pl_>valdyn: but it makes my `df` report / twice, since my /etc/mtab is a symlink to /proc/mounts.
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17:50<valdyn>pl_: why are you messing with this?
17:51<valdyn>peej: if-post-down.d is legal, maybe if-post-up.d is too
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17:51<pl_>valdyn: i've got readonly / and /etc/mtab is not stricly a readonly file
17:51<pl_>valdyn: just like /etc/resolv.conf
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17:52<pl_>valdyn: so i've made symlinks to /proc/mounts and /var/run/resolv.conf respectively
17:52<valdyn>peej: and if that doesnt work as expected theres still the post-up statement in /etc/network/interfaces
17:53<pl_>valdyn: i'm using this setup for almost a year now, no problems (except double entry for /)
17:53<valdyn>pl_: I see
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17:54<peej>valdyn, if-post-up.d had to be created, and did even worse. Utterly nothing ran. I guess it is obsolete?
17:55<valdyn>peej: nah, thats in the manpage
17:55<valdyn>peej: one difference is that if the script fails the ifup command throws an error too
17:55<peej>I'll try the post-up command in interfaces then...
17:56<valdyn>peej: the post-up.d and the post-up in the interfaces file should be equivalent
17:57<valdyn>peej: i think youre doing something strange with that iptables command or script your are running
17:59<peej>Well, I'll dig into it. I really don't like running it as an @reboot from cron. Most uncivilized.
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17:59<valdyn>peej: indeed
18:00<valdyn>peej: rules shouldnt go away on ifdown
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18:00<valdyn>peej: shorewall just has its own init script
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18:02<raff>hey, just wondering if anyone can help me out with an iceweasel question?
18:02<@Ganneff>!ask
18:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:02<raff>I just need some help in finding where iceweasel saves bookmarks
18:03<valdyn>raff: ~/.firefox/somewhere
18:03<valdyn>raff: and the filename is bookmarks.html
18:03<raff>oh ok
18:03<koollman>more like ~/.mozilla/firefox/*/bookmarks.html
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18:04<koollman>(the * being some strange name corresponding to the profile)
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18:04<raff>and they are stored inside the bookmarks.html?
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18:05<themill>raff: no, they're in ~/.mozilla/firefox/*/places.sqlite from iceweasel 3 onwards
18:06<raff>does that mean I wont be able to import my bookmarks from firefox in windows over to iceweasel?
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18:08<themill>raff: no idea... I'd guess that the sqlite db is the same format but have never tried. FWIW there are a number of syncing plugins that you can use that do this for you (e.g. weave, x-marks, ...)
18:08<handheldCar>Can you click Bookmarks, Organize Bookmarks..., Import and Backup, and Export HTML...?
18:08<raff>awesome
18:08<raff>thanks for the help
18:09<handheldCar>and then same thing w/ iceweasel only Import HTML
18:09<themill>or that.... which would be a much better approach :)
18:09*themill just syncs them between computers
18:09<raff>im just trying it now
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18:11<raff>thanks for that
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20:22<foolishAussie>Hi. I tried to resize a logical volume but didn't resize the fs. Am I able to extend the LV and repair the disk? So far I have done: umount, reducelv, mount, ls, df -h, umount
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20:35<foolishAussie>I tried to reduce the size of an LV but didn't resize the fs before hand. Can I extend the LV and repair the fs? So far I have performed: umount, reducelv, mount, ls, df -h, umount
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20:42<foolishAussie>I tried to reduce the size of an LV but didn't resize the fs before hand. Can I (re)extend the LV and repair the fs? So far I have performed: umount, reducelv, mount, ls, df -h then unmounted again as I didn't want to do any more damage.
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21:02<peej>if I put option ntp-server 192.168.0.12; in my dhcp.conf file (and reload) and I have openntpd running on 192.168.0.12 with "listen on 192.168.0.12" (also after reload) that should be enough to have the client machine sync to the ntpd, right?
21:04<gsimmons>kop: Your statement was truncated after "I've not". Did you also define a SSID? (wireless-essid iface option)
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21:20<peej>nope, needed an ntp client too
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21:24<foolishAussie>I tried to reduce the size of an LV but didn't resize the fs before hand. Can I (re)extend the LV and repair the fs? So far I have performed: umount, reducelv, mount, ls, df -h then unmounted again as I didn't want to do any more damage.
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21:26<gsimmons>foolishAussie: No-one is stopping you. Note that data in the reduced part is lost.
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21:27<foolishAussie>gsimmons: it'
21:27<foolishAussie>gsimmons: any data in the reduced section is lost with the lvreduce?
21:27<vook>a while back after a dist-upgrade (in squeeze) all of my terminal bells started up. I know how to turn them off in each instance (using 'xset b off', 'setterm -blength 0', as well as gui term settings). Does anyone know of a way to just globally disable the terminal bell (@ GDM login, console, etc...) rmmoding pcspkr doesn't help either).
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21:30<vook>hmm, maybe I should just do it in .xinitrc and .bashrc.
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21:32<shak0981>hola buenas noches
21:33<shak0981>need help!
21:33<shak0981>no puedo echar andar el compiz en mi makina
21:33<jpinx-eeepc>!es
21:33<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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21:34<shak0981>my compiza doesnt work
21:34<shak0981> /join #debian-es
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21:37<joker>hi
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21:38<justgeorge>is this where I can ask questions?
21:39<phrosty>!ask
21:39<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
21:39<justgeorge>what's the difference between the "add/remove programs" and the synaptics package manager?
21:40<vook>similar concept, but "add/remove programs" is a decrepit mess.
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21:41<justgeorge>I installed a few games through the synaptics manager and I can't find them now
21:41<justgeorge>Do they normally install in the applications panel?
21:41<vook>justgeorge: not always - depends on the package.
21:42<justgeorge>I selected the games and applied in synaptics manager - it shows installed now
21:42<justgeorge>how would I finish it so I can try the games?
21:43<vook>what games ?
21:43<handheldCar>Alt+F2
21:44<justgeorge>conquest is one of them
21:44<vook>if I recall, conquest is text based
21:44<handheldCar>See if there's a conquest binary in /usr/bin
21:45<vook>it's in /usr/games - not part of the path normally. /usr/games/conquest
21:46<justgeorge>yeah, not in bin
21:46<justgeorge>it's in /usr/games though
21:46<vook>you'll need to start it from console or a terminal.
21:47<icebrain>my path as always included /usr/games :|
21:47<icebrain>*has
21:47<justgeorge>ok thanks. let me try
21:47<justgeorge>would it look like this "/usr/games/conquest"?
21:48<vook>that's it, it apparently needs a server to connect to...
21:48<vook>man conquest may help
21:49<justgeorge>ok. thank you folks. that's enough for me to move my linux knowledge a little further
21:50<vook>http://www.radscan.com/cgi-bin/conqmeta.pl <-- list of conquest servers
21:50<vook>i.e. /usr/games/conquest -s servername.com:1701
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21:53<justgeorge>another question, when you're in the "man" command, how do you exit out of it?
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21:54<justgeorge>thanks again
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21:58<justgeorge>can you guys recommend a good quake or unreal tournament game?
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21:59<handheldCar>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open_source_games
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22:00<handheldCar>Some of those didn't have straight-forward installations, so if there isn't a package, I would use a virtual Debian to test installation with VirtualBox.
22:03<handheldCar>The FPSs are first-person shooter games.
22:04<icebrain>that is dumb, wtf is Quake I/II/III doing in a list of _open source_ games?
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22:05<handheldCar>btw, I only had trouble compiling a couple of the weaker ones on my old computer.
22:05<justgeorge>quake isn't open source, is it?
22:05<icebrain>oh, right, the engine. Still, not having the content should make them non-os
22:06<icebrain>it's not like we can distribute quake, we can just build stuff based on its engine
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22:29<cbro>Hi
22:29<handheldCar>!hi
22:29<dpkg>hello, handheldcar
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22:39<astronut>what's the event in /etc/acpi/event that's triggered on low/critical battery?
22:39<astronut>i want to set up auto-suspend
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23:03<lili>I have a problem.. I am trying to transfer my sites to a new server..everying is fine except the mysql server..my site can not connect to the mysql server with the ID and PASSWORD, which I can login in with "#mysql -u username -p " in terminal..the character of the mysql and are php-files all set to utf8..By the way ..IT is LAMP TO NGINX+PHP+MYSQL+LINUX..the error from the page is Error: Access denied for user 'super'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
23:04<lili>Errno.: 1045
23:04<lili>sorry about my english..
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23:21<astronut>lili: try replacing 127.0.0.1 with localhost in your user create/grant commands
23:25<astronut>the GRANT blah To foo@127.0.0.1 IDENTIFIED by... to foo@localhost
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23:34<bugjar>this has *got* to be a newb basic question : i want to have a few clients who were not able to get outside, to start requesting data from the outside network... so i set up the upstream to be forward ip traffic ( i changed /etc/sysctl.conf, then realised i didn't want to restart and set it with sysctl).. only the inside clients still don't see the network on the outside on the default gateway. they DO see other hosts on the same subnet.
23:36<handheldCar>I don't understand that. Can they pink the default gateway?
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23:38<bugjar>yeh. they ping the default gateway OK. gateway can ping the outside (www.l.google.com has been my test subject so far). and they get name service from teh gateway, so they know names
23:38<astronut>bugjar: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE
23:38<astronut>replace ppp0 with your external interface
23:39<astronut>and echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
23:40<bugjar>/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward already is... but maybe NAT rules...
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23:41<bugjar>works nicely with the right external iface...
23:41<bugjar>astronut, thanks... NAT rules
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23:42<bugjar>(but copying -o ppp0 didn't ... duh, thanks--you said to get the right one. a quick flush and the correct iface was it)
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