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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-12-07

---Logopened Mon Dec 07 00:00:09 2009
---Daychanged Mon Dec 07 2009
00:00<ken__>just a pointer or URL to something documented would be appreciated on LUKS/dm-crypt and preseed
00:00<faheem>ken__: might have more luck with an appropriate mailing list
00:00<faheem>is this debconf preseeding, or something else?
00:00<ken__>faheem: yes
00:01<faheem>ken__: i'd have thought there was somewhere more specialised then
00:01<ken__>faheem: i need to setup about 300 servers, with debian. i already have a PXE booted, full net install, with raid install alreday configured properly, but i need LUKS
00:02<faheem>ken__: sorry, i've no idea
00:02<ken__>unfortunately, the available documentation i can find through the usual channels is lacking =(
00:02<faheem>ken__: there isn't a specialist forum then?
00:02<ken__>faheem: i have no idea
00:02<faheem>a sort of general - i want to install 1000 boxen with Debian/Ubuntu
00:02<faheem>sort of forum
00:03<ken__>faheem: no idea
00:03<faheem>ken__: take a look at the Debian mailing lists
00:03<ken__>faheem: i can't imagine there's more than 10 people in the world configuring hundreds of debian servers simultaneously
00:03<ken__>faheem: yet alone with encryption ;)
00:04<faheem>ken__: on the contrary, i believe it is quite common. are you using fai or something else?
00:04<ken__>faheem: it'd be a very specialized forum, i'd imagine, and i'm probably guessing the 10 people or so who would be on that list probably wouldn't need much help on many of the tech things
00:04<faheem>even if you are not using fai, you could do worse than try thei ml
00:04<basiley>faheem - if they have SAME specs, just clone deployed OS'es image to others PCs
00:04<ken__>faheem: fai overcomplicates the process, and isn't really that great
00:04<faheem>is LUKS an encryption thing?
00:05<ken__>linux unified key system
00:05<faheem>ken__: i see. never heard of it. sounds fancy
00:06<ken__>faheem: not really -- its a standard way of storing encrypted master keys and the associated encryption parameters for crypted block devices
00:06<ken__>faheem: its specialized in that there's not a lot of people who are going for full hard drive encryption, and then also doing a large number of installs
00:07<ken__>faheem: and unfortunately, google has failed me on this one
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00:07<faheem>ken__: possible there is nothing out there. but for very specialized stuff, a general channel like this is simply not your best bet
00:08<faheem>though you never know, of course
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00:08<ken__>faheem: er, well, irc.debian.org -- i'm assuming there's one master level guru out there who has @ on this channel
00:09<ken__>faheem: irc is always my very very very last fallback
00:09<faheem>ken__: they have to be paying attention
00:09<faheem>ken__: i've got very good help on irc, but it is highly channel/topic specific
00:10<faheem>btw, see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=500727
00:10<basiley>ken__ they usually called "Debian mastermind[overlord]", i guess ;)
00:10<FredRoots>postfix works
00:10<FredRoots>thx
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00:12<FredRoots>and do you know a way to use irssi in latin-1 ?
00:13<ken__>FredRoots: why would you want to change the charset ?
00:13<FredRoots>my vds is in latin-1 and my test server in utf-8
00:13<ken__>FredRoots: if there's a way, it would have to deal with changing the locales
00:14<FredRoots>and i use nano to edit latin-1 files threw putty
00:14<FredRoots>ken__, how can i do that ?
00:14<FredRoots>i'm on a test server i don't care to take risk of damages
00:15<ken__>FredRoots: i don't remember the precise package, but it would be done like this: dpkg-reconfigure <package_name>
00:15<ken__>FredRoots: probably locales or something like that
00:15<ken__>i don't know
00:16<ken__>too many specific names out there to remember, best to understand (and know) the abstracts of accomplishing something than the specific names involved ;)
00:17<FredRoots>dpkg-reconfigure locales works
00:17<FredRoots>;)
00:17<ken__>why does anyone even use the latin1 charset ?
00:18<FredRoots>my websites have 4 years old databases
00:18<ken__>FredRoots: are you talking about a mysql dump or something ?
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00:18<FredRoots>no
00:19<FredRoots>i have already my .sh script for dumps
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00:26<diego>hey there, I cannot install gnome-power-manager because devicekit-power seems to break it ... seems all dependencies have not been migrated to squeeze
00:26<diego>any help solving this ?
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00:33<FredRoots>is it possible to make an user who just can use irssi in a screen and nothing else ?
00:37<sney>irssi is kind of a security hole thanks to /exec
00:42<sney>I mean even if you set their shell to screen -s irssi
00:42<sney>actually, I'm not sure what would happen if you detached a screen session with no shell.
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00:48<deqc>hi please debian 64 bits user, wine, crossover run on???
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00:50<deqc>me it starts, but does not load
00:50<deqc>for 1 month
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01:01<franki->1 month is a long time to wait for something to load :(
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01:03<deqc>for a month nothing loads
01:03<Web-sidux533>deqc, are you still here?
01:03<Web-sidux533>can you please explain your first sentence? :(
01:05<deqc>When I launch my launch games, but they do not load = FREEZE!
01:06<deqc>When I launch my launch games, but they do not load
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01:07<deqc>oups sry
01:07<deqc>I never had trouble before. 3 times I formatted and still the same problem
01:08<deqc>bug posted
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01:08<Web-sidux533>back, I se now
01:08<Web-sidux533>so when you launch applications in wine or crossover
01:08<Web-sidux533>they just freeze up?
01:08<Web-sidux533>is that what you mean?
01:09<deqc>yes it freezes when loading
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01:11<deqc>starts very well but it freezes when loading. any wine crossover cedega version. I'll probably end up finding maispersonne to compare :(
01:12<deqc>i go #wine
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01:30<hojda>What does it mean that I have logged-in two users? I am only me logged.. ??? ? ?
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01:46<deqc>http://paste.debian.net/53333
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01:50<sasi>hii every body
01:50<sasi>i got one error while building a package libmokoui.
01:50<sasi>dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source
01:50<sasi>dpkg-buildpackage: failure: dpkg-source -b libmokoui2-0.3+bzr20080407 gave error exit status 1
01:51<sasi>I havent made any change in source.
01:52<sasi>Can any body help
01:54<faheem>sasi: try #debian-mentors
01:54<faheem>more on topic there
01:55<sasi>thanks faheem, i will try there.
01:56<sasi>dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source
01:56<sasi>dpkg-buildpackage: failure: dpkg-source -b libmokoui2-0.3+bzr20080407 gave error exit status 1
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02:18<itS>hi
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02:35<HardwareFreak>I just compiled a new kernel and ran lilo. It's installed, all that is good. Haven't rebooted yet though. The main reason is, linux.old points to an old kernel I don't want as my backup #2 kernel. I need to point linux.old at another kernel. I'm assuming this is a link, but I've never used the link command before, and I'd rather not screw this up learning the link command. Kernels are...
02:35<HardwareFreak>...kinda critical. ;)
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02:36<HardwareFreak>ahh crap
02:37<Nemoder>ln -s sourcefile targetfile
02:37<HardwareFreak>I just realized that my previous 2.6.31 kernel was overwritten by the new 2.6.31 I just installed! So I guess I'm just flat stuck with the old 2.6.24 I'd rather not use as my backup kernel. Oh well..
02:38<HardwareFreak>Nemoder: thanks for the command line anyway
02:38<Nemoder>ls /boot
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02:38<Nemoder>oh same kernel ver, ya that will ovewrite
02:38<HardwareFreak>Nemoder: yeah, that's how i just found out the previous 2.6.31 was overwritten
02:38<HardwareFreak>Nemoder: how can I get around that?
02:38<HardwareFreak>Nemoder: for next time around?
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02:40<Nemoder>is this a custom kernel you compiled?
02:40<HardwareFreak>Nemoder: yes
02:40<HardwareFreak>Nemoder: I only use custom kernels.
02:40<HardwareFreak>Nemoder: always compile my own
02:40<Nemoder>are you using kernel-package tools to build a deb?
02:40<HardwareFreak>Nemoder: yep
02:41<Nemoder>then you know as much as i do :P
02:41<HardwareFreak>Nemoder: and with 2.6.31.1 I'm using kernel.org source instead of debian
02:41<HardwareFreak>;)
02:42<HardwareFreak>Nemoder: the 2.6.24 is ok and will work. I'd rather have had my most recent previous 2.6.31.1 as my backup.
02:43<Nemoder>I just keep a stock kernel as backup and the old debs i built
02:43<HardwareFreak>Nemoder: hay, I can't recall. Is the boot parameter for IDE append="ide-core.nodma=0.0 ide-core.nodma=0.1" correct for all 2.6 kernels?
02:43<Nemoder>duno, switched sata ages ago
02:44<Nemoder>hm i wonder if --append-to-version option in make-kpkg gets around the version
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02:44<HardwareFreak>Nemoder: LOL, that's why I built this new kernel. Got a SiI 3112 cheapo PCI card and 500GB WD SATA on the way, and plan to migrate from my current 40GB IDE disk to the new SATA disk. I didn't have the SATA driver in the old kernel, and I never use modules.
02:47<Nemoder>well that's why i like to keep a stock kernel installed as backup since it includes everything
02:47<HardwareFreak>Nemoder: and since I still need to boot the IDE drive for now, I need the boot options because my IDE disk has problems booting in UDMA mode. I boot it in PIO, the have a cron script change it's mode to UDMA using hdparm much later on.
02:48<HardwareFreak>Nemoder: that kinda makes sense. If not for this versioning issue I'd have no problems. Although, like I said, the old 2.6.24 I have lying around does work.
02:49<Nemoder>well you might try that option to see if you can make a custom version number too
02:49<Nemoder>that should prevent overwriting if it works
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03:16<jstechno>hi
03:16<HardwareFreak>Nemoder: new kernel seems to working ok so far. Just wanted to get the libata driver into the kernel _before_ the new parts arrive. So, hopefully I can shut down, install the card and the drive, boot up and it will be seen.
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03:17<HardwareFreak>Nemoder: thanks for the tips
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04:16<prem>I have downloaded lenny iso in my home folder..is there any way to install it in my harddrive without writing into CD , USB or any other external device..?
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04:18<prem>i remember doing this loong back..but forgot the steps now..any documentation is available..?
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04:41<sgtx>help
04:43<EmleyMoor>!ask
04:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
04:44<EmleyMoor>What is the best way to tell if a TV card is Debian compatible?
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04:45<sgtx>?
04:46<EmleyMoor>sgtx: You want help - we can't read your mind - tell us your problem
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04:47<sgtx>is it possible to have x-fi under ubuntu. There is no one real solution.
04:47<EmleyMoor>!bod
04:47<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian.
04:48<cydork>EmleyMoor, if it's a pci card you can try /msg dpkg which driver
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04:49<EmleyMoor>cydork: I'm looking mainly at ExpressCards - but USB would be a viable alternative
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04:54<cydork>EmleyMoor, you can start here.. http://mjpeg.sourceforge.net/driver-zoran/cards.php
04:56<cydork>EmleyMoor, and here http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
04:56<EmleyMoor>Already trawling the latter. The former seems not to cover digital
04:57<EmleyMoor>Actually hoping for a hybrid - some parts of Sussex I go to are currently not getting digital
04:59<EmleyMoor>USB looks more promising
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05:05<EmleyMoor>If I could decipher the meaning of what it says about the Hauppauge WinTV HVR1400, that might suit...
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05:12<EmleyMoor>Damn - analog not working on that one
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05:19<sydside>hiya. i recently resized a LV incorrectly, what is the best command to use to copy any files that aren't corrupt (copy but skip on error I guess)
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05:21<tonguim>Hi all,
05:21<tonguim>during a repartition operation, i have created a new partition and copied the root partition inside. I flagued the new partition as "boot", and deleted the older root partition, that size was very small.
05:21<tonguim>Now when i start my system, i've a "grub 22" error. I've tried to modify /boot/grub/menu.lst in vain. Please anyone could help me to fix my grub system? Thank you. I'm using debian lenny, and a ubuntu live CD to work on.
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05:25<tonguim>please anyone can help to fix my grub system?
05:26<wr|>tonguim: did you install grub on that partition or in the mbr?
05:26<diggy>tonguim: do you tried run grub-install /dev/xxx from liveCD?
05:27<sydside>fixmbr?
05:27<tonguim>i've installed grub when i was installing the debian lenny system
05:27<sydside>!fixboot
05:29<tonguim>sydsied: when i run !fixboot from the ubuntu live CD prompt, it says: "!fixboot: event not found"
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05:30<sydside>sorry, the commands are "fixboot" and "fixmbr" with no quotes
05:30<sydside>you should have a look at the man pages
05:31<sydside>i haven't done it in a while
05:32<tonguim>i did both fixboot and fixmbr without quote, and i got a "command not found" error msg
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05:34<cahoot>aren't those windows apps?
05:35<ichdasich>cahoot: they are -.-'
05:35<ichdasich>tonguim: on the cli:
05:35<ichdasich>grun
05:35<ichdasich>er
05:35<ichdasich>grub
05:35<cahoot>so only with difficulty run from a linux cd
05:35<ichdasich>tonguim: then, in that grupshell
05:36<ichdasich>grub *narf* to early...
05:36<ichdasich>anyway
05:36<ichdasich>root (hd0,0) [for /dev/sda1 e.g.]
05:36<ichdasich>setup (hd0) [to setup grub on /dev/sda]
05:37<davi>Will next Debian release include KDE 3.5?
05:38<ansgar>davi: No.
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05:38<davi>ansgar, Will I able to compile KDE 3.5 in the next Debian stable release? That is to say, will Debian include the needed libraries to at least compile it?
05:39<cahoot>looks tom squeeze wil use kde 3.5
05:39<cahoot>s/tom/to me/
05:40<davi>Great news cahoot! Thanks a lot.
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05:40<cahoot>davi: they probably know better in #debian-kde
05:40<ansgar>cahoot: Hasn't KDE 3.x been removed from testing/unstable for quite some time now?
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05:51<tonguim>is it possible to install grub in dev/sda9?
05:51<tonguim>i would like to install grub in /dev/sda9
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05:52<diggy>it is possible, but you'll no boot from that partition
05:52<diggy>as it is extended i think
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05:53<cahoot>tonguim: why?
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05:56<tonguim>when i run grub> find /boot/grub/stage1 from ubuntu live CD
05:57<tonguim>i got this: Error 15: File not found
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06:08<hojda_>Is installing from xfce.org/download/ the best source to install xfce ?
06:10<tonguim>cahoot: this command "find /boot/grub/stage1" (without the quotes) run from my live cd tells "Error 15: File not found"
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06:13<cahoot>tonguim: why do you want grub on sda9 and not on mbr?
06:13<gsimmons>dpkg: tell hojda_ -about install xfce
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06:18<Lillymon>My problem with nvidia-glx (or whatever is causing this problem) is no longer merely a nuisance. I have had mouse input freeze and keyboard input mostly fail THREE TIMES today, once immediately after getting into KDE.
06:19<Lillymon>I'm currently in a shell session, since X is totally unusable right now. This is a problem that is getting progressively more severe.
06:19<Lillymon>Does anyone know where the CEO of Nvidia lives? Because I want to go over there and kill him right now.
06:20<Lillymon>Don't know why I bothered asking anyway, I'm just going to leave my PC off for a while since I can't use it in this state.
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06:21<Lillymon>Does anyone have an ETA on nvidia-glx 195 being out of beta? This is another case where I wonder if I need to take more drastic action or just wait for a fix to arrive.
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06:28<tonguim>Hallo
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06:28<tonguim>still need help to fix my grub system
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06:28<tonguim>here is my menu.lst file: http://utilitybase.com/paste/23158
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06:28<tonguim>anyone can help me please?
06:29<Lethalman>tonguim, that's not possible, why you have that menu.st? that's not a debian suitable menu.lst
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06:30<Lethalman>tonguim, make a copy of it, remove it and reinstall grub to get a fresh menu.lst
06:30<tonguim>Lethalman: it is my debian menu.lst file; on line 15 and 20, i've just changed sda1 to sda9
06:30<Lethalman>tonguim, you should also change root (hd0,0) in something else I think
06:31<Lethalman>the problem is that you're unable to boot?
06:31<cahoot>root (hd0,8)
06:31<Lethalman>cahoot, that's not always true you know
06:32<Lethalman>afaik :S
06:32<diggy>tonguim: is the sda9 extended partition?
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06:33<Lethalman>he could just run "grub" and do (hd0,TAB to see available choices
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06:34<tonguim>Lethalman: this is my partition table: http://utilitybase.com/paste/23159
06:35<Lethalman>ehm yes, you should tweak that root (hd0,0) as we said above
06:35<tonguim>the sda9 partition is the one that contain the root (/) files
06:36<Lethalman>tonguim, please read what we say
06:36<tonguim>Lethalman: ok
06:36<tonguim>Lethalman: you said grub>hd0,TAB ?
06:37<Lethalman>type grub> root (hd0,TAB
06:37<Lethalman>type (hd0, then use TAB to complete
06:37<Lethalman>you'll get the right number to use
06:37<Lethalman>according to the table grub gives you
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06:40<tonguim>Lethalman: when i type root (hd0 and then TAB, the prompt only open a second prompte on the following line (the prompt root (hd0 is just copied)
06:41<Lillymon>So my current problem stems from the fact that Debian sid updated the Nvidia drivers to the broken 190 version.
06:41<Lethalman>tonguim, type device hd0 /dev/sda
06:42<Lillymon>But I needed to use sid for the drivers, because the testing drivers are even more broken.
06:42<Lethalman>then try to do the completion again
06:42<Lillymon>So I'm fucked really.
06:42<Lethalman>ehm
06:42<Lethalman>device (hd0) /dev/sda tonguim
06:42<Lethalman>tonguim, please run the grub command in your chroot
06:43<olet_>Lillymon: what is your current problem?
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06:44<tonguim>Lethalman: i'm running it from an ubuntu live CD
06:44<BlackFate>hello! Setting kernel variables (/etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf)...error: "net.ipv6.bindv6only" is an unknown key
06:44<BlackFate>failed any clue?
06:44<Lillymon>olet_: Input freezes when CPU load gets high. Since I can't close my apps, since input is frozen, they all start up again when I kill and restart X, so I get high CPU load and input freezes again.
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06:45<Lethalman>tonguim, sudo chroot /media/disk
06:45<Lethalman>then type grub
06:45<Lethalman>then device (hd0) /dev/sda
06:45<Lethalman>then root (hd0,<TAB>
06:45<appmaster>español
06:45<appmaster>???
06:45<perk>!es
06:45<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
06:46<Lillymon>I could likely solve that by editing xorg.conf to use nv instead of nvidia, but I've just lost the will to live, so I'm going to shut down instead.
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06:46<olet_>Lillymon: that sounds a little odd that should be caused by the nvidia driver in my opinion
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06:47<Lethalman>Lillymon, just use the older drivers if the upgrade broken your system
06:47<Lethalman>you should likely have them in your /var/cache/apt/archives
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06:49<Lillymon>Quite probably.
06:50<tonguim>Lethalman: please check the output of the command here: http://utilitybase.com/paste/23160
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06:51<Lethalman>ah well
06:51<Lethalman>exit from the chroot
06:51<Lethalman>try to do that with the live cd then
06:51<Lethalman>run grub from live cd and perform the same commands in grub
06:51<Lethalman>sudo grub
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06:52<Lethalman>if it still doesn't work we have to bindmount /dev
06:53<craigevil>Lillymon: try removing the kb and mouse from your xorg.conf, for me with Intel I don't need any settings for either on my xorg.conf
06:56<olet_>Lethalman: yeah a bind mount of dev is needed
06:57<tonguim>Lethalman: i was saying that i'm running the ubuntu live cd on my debian leny system
06:57<Lethalman>tonguim, yes do sudo grub in a new shell
06:58<tonguim>i can acces to my debian system since i've a grub error 22 msg
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06:58<Lethalman>tonguim, ... please
06:58<Lethalman>sudo grub... can you do it?
06:58<tonguim>sorry ... i cannot acces to my debian system since i've a grub error 22 msg
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06:59<tonguim>Lethalman: done
06:59<Lethalman>ok
06:59<Lethalman>device (hd0) /dev/sda
06:59<Lethalman>any error?
06:59<tonguim>Lethalman: Error 15: File not found
06:59<Lethalman>are you in the chroot again?
06:59<Lethalman>I said in a new terminal
06:59<tonguim>yes i am
07:00<Lethalman>you are... where
07:00<tonguim> before i done sudo grub, i was in /
07:00<diggy>in grub terminal i think
07:00<Lethalman>tonguim, please close that terminal, open a new terminal
07:01<Lethalman>close everything
07:01<Lethalman>and do sudo grub
07:01<Lethalman>not grub terminal, I mean the gnome terminal, all the applications in your desktop
07:02<tonguim>term closed
07:02<tonguim>done pwd and got "/home/ubuntu"
07:02<tonguim>is it ok?
07:02<Lethalman>oh ok
07:03<Lethalman>yes now sudo grub
07:03<Lethalman>and device (hd0) /dev/sda
07:03<Lethalman>do you still get that error?
07:03<tonguim>ok done
07:03<tonguim>no
07:03<tonguim>only a prompt
07:03<Lethalman>well now try with the completion
07:03<Lethalman>root (hd0,
07:03<Lethalman>and press tab
07:04<Lethalman>press it twice until you get a table of partitions
07:04<tonguim>yes; now i get 8 propositions
07:04<Lethalman>oh finally
07:04<Lethalman>find the one that you think it suits /dev/sda9
07:04<tonguim>check this please: http://utilitybase.com/paste/23161
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07:05<Lethalman>well as cahoot said 1 hour ago... try with (hd0,8)
07:05<olet_>it's 8
07:05<Lethalman>:)
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07:05<Lethalman>tonguim, edit your /media/disk/boot/grub/menu.lst and use root (hd0,8) instead of root (hd0,0)
07:06<tonguim> root (hd0,8) ?
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07:06<Lethalman>yes
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07:09<tonguim>Lethalman: this is my menu.lst file: http://utilitybase.com/paste/23162
07:09<Lethalman>ok
07:09<tonguim>ah sorry
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07:09<tonguim>i've not finish the editing
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07:11<tonguim>Lethalman: this is my new menu.lst file: http://utilitybase.com/paste/23163
07:11<olet_>anyway speaking of grub has anyone tried that grub2 just freeses before showing the menu?
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07:12<olet_>tonguim: looks good
07:12<cahoot>olet_: indefinitely?
07:12<olet_>well at least an hour
07:13<olet_>so at least as long as i'm willing to try and wait
07:13<olet_>;)
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07:13<cahoot>olet_: ok just asking since there was a period when it paused for 20s or so
07:13<tonguim>olet_: i will then restart my system to test
07:13<tonguim>Lethalman: i will then restart my system to test
07:13<Lethalman>yes
07:14<Lethalman>but that way you'll get problems on next upgrade
07:14<olet_>well it shows the first "menu" with the two options
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07:14<Lethalman>you should have edited that line...
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07:22<olet_>it used to load a lot on the disk for a good while but it's not doing it very long anymore
07:22<tonguim>Hallo
07:22<tonguim>i'm back
07:23<olet_>didn't work?
07:23<tonguim>i still have this error message when booting my system:
07:23<tonguim>Grub loading stage1.5
07:23<tonguim>Grub loading, please wait ... error 22
07:24<cahoot>any external drive attached
07:24<tonguim>so i'm still using the ubuntu live dvd
07:24<tonguim>cahoot: no
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07:24<BlackFate>tonguim, did you restore it from the live cd?
07:25<cahoot>tonguim: what's the content of /boot/grub/device.map?
07:25<olet_>tonguim: is your /boot a sepperate partition?
07:25<tonguim>The only operation i did from the live cd is the partionning and the modification of the menu.lst file
07:25<gsimmons>BlackFate: Did you disable IPv6 support? (i.e. ipv6.disable=1 at the kernel command line)
07:26<BlackFate>gsimmons, it new addition in sid... it seems like a global bug
07:26<BlackFate>tonguim, mount your diskt and run sudo grub
07:26<BlackFate>tonguim, and ill tell you after that
07:27<Tenguch>[root (hdx,y)\nsetup (hdx)\nquit\n] grub's nice :D
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07:27<tonguim>BlackFate: mount my dist?
07:27<tonguim>i've not unmount anything
07:27<BlackFate>tonguim, mount your root disk firstly.. if its not already
07:28<BlackFate>tonguim, the one containing /boot folder
07:28<gsimmons>BlackFate: It's hardly a bug, the tunable isn't available if IPv6 support is disabled.
07:29<olet_>tonguim: is your /boot on a sepperate partition?
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07:29<BlackFate>gsimmons, but i can still enable it manually... the problem is during boot process
07:30<BlackFate>gsimmons, i also tried to disable networking before setting manually the value.. and i was still able to do it
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07:44<tonguim>i was trying to mount the root partition but i don't know where root partition is localize
07:45<tonguim>nothing in /media
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07:54<tonguim>BlackFate: it seems my commmand is not correct: sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/sda9
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08:06<cahoot>tonguim: keep it in channel
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08:07<tonguim>i'm here
08:07<tonguim>still need help to fix grub
08:07<BdN3504>hi, i am using Debian lenny 2.6.26-2-486 on an old amd k6-400 based system with the gigabyte ga 5ax mainboard
08:07<BdN3504>i have to network adapters installed, but only 1 is working
08:08<BdN3504>lshw lists the following
08:08<BdN3504> *-network:1 DISABLED
08:08<BdN3504>description: Ethernet interface
08:08<BdN3504>product: RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+
08:08<BdN3504>bus info: pci@0000:00:0a.0
08:08<BdN3504>logical name: eth1
08:08<BlackFate>BdN3504, is it listed in ifconfig -a?
08:08<BdN3504>serial: 00:e0:7d:de:57:75
08:09<BdN3504>yes
08:09<BlackFate>then its there
08:09<BdN3504>it is listed in ifconfig -a
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08:09<BlackFate>BdN3504, sudo this... ifconfig eth1 up
08:10<BlackFate>BdN3504, do*
08:10<cahoot>and/or man 5 interfaces
08:10<BdN3504>but i get the error message at boot up saying "Try the "8139too" driver instead."
08:11<BlackFate>modprobe 8139too
08:11<BlackFate>and try again
08:11<cahoot>isn't that just a message?
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08:12<BdN3504>thanks, after doing modprobe 8139, the device is also listed in ifconfig. can i tell the system to use that driver instead of 8139cp?
08:12<BdN3504>i tried adding blacklist 8139cp to the modprobe.d/blacklist
08:13<BdN3504>but that didn't work
08:13<BlackFate>BdN3504, blacklist 8139cp and add to /etc/modules the 8139too driver
08:13<cahoot>need rebuild initramfs too
08:14<cahoot>try /msg dpkg blacklist
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08:15<BdN3504>checking now
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08:22<BdN3504>ok, i added 8139cp to blacklist and did echo "8139too" >> /etc/modules . after shutdown -r now i still get the "use 8139too instead"
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08:23<BdN3504>and the network adapted is still marked as disabled when i do lshw
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08:27<BlackFate>BdN3504, strange.. lsmod | grep 8139
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08:28<BdN3504>8139too & cp both listed with 0
08:28<BdN3504>mii lists both (plus the eht0)
08:28<BlackFate>BdN3504, show me the blacklist entry
08:29<cahoot>BdN3504: did you run dkpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) ?
08:29<cahoot>s/dkpkg/dpkg/
08:30<BdN3504>cahoot: no
08:30<cahoot>why not?
08:30<BdN3504>BlackFate: it's 'blacklist 8139cp'
08:34<BlackFate>BdN3504, if you modprobe -r 8139cp does the network card gets enabled?
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08:38<BdN3504>i restarted and now it seems to work. lsmod | grep 8139 still shows the two 8139s but in mii the order has changed so 8139too comes before 8139cp
08:38<ahmed2010>hiiiiiii
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08:40<cahoot>so 8139cp still isn't effectively blacklisted?
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08:47<BdN3504>gtg sorry, thanks for the help so far. i'll be back
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10:06<peej>I want to capture audio from http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8398000/8398753.stm so I can slow it down. It plays as is in some adobe player in my browser, and I have hovertext that suggests there's an mp3 stream in there.
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10:12<peej>ah. some googling turns up an example like, which works: arecord -f cd -d 7200 stream.wav
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11:33<ottoshmidt>is there any package to convert .mp3 to .m4 in debian?
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11:43<Titan8990>ottoshmidt, if anything it will probably be mencoder or ffmpeg from dmm
11:43<Titan8990>!dmm
11:43<dpkg>rumour has it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>.
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11:47<chattr>ottoshmidt: there's a graphical converter, winff, which will do mp3 -> m4a.
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11:49<peej>server.bind on lighttpd in lenny won't take an address like 192.168.0.1. How can I fix that?
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11:50<peej>found this http://ongardie.net/blog/lighttpd-bind-localhost/ but see no solution.
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11:53<setog3>do you know a tool/app that display a message when a process take all the cpu or all the ram, and ask if you want to kill it ?
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12:25<mib_85bsno>anyone know how long it will take to get 2.6.32 into Sid?
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12:31<mib_85bsno>anyone know how long it will take to get 2.6.32 into Sid?
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12:38<beer>mib_85bsno: looks like the 2.6.32 already is in sid but 2.6.31 is default
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12:40<dehaeL>Could anybody help me figure out how to remove delete right privilleges for vsftpd from a virtual mysql user that connects?
12:40<dehaeL>i've got a custome user conf file ... is it only the umask option i should be looking at or is there something else?
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12:41<dr|z3d>dehaeL: Look at your mysql permissions. mysqladmin might help there.
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12:41<dehaeL>the mysql is only used to store the username and psw that connects to vsftpd - it all works fine - it's just i want an easy way to setup custom user privlleges
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12:42<dr|z3d>Look to vsftpd's conf.
12:43<dehaeL>as far as i can tell that's sort of permission restriction is to be set in vsftpd_user_conf ?
12:43<dehaeL>yeah i am ... what am i looking for?
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12:44<dr|z3d>You're looking for user permissions.
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12:53<blackxored>I have just rebuild my sbuild chroot, but now when I try to build packages it fails upon a package since Debian-exim group doesn't exist, anyone with similar behaviour/known workarounds?
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13:27<pigah>I'm having issues with net connections in java apps. I get the following error "java.net.NoRouteToHostException: Network is unreachable". I'm using openjdk in sid. 1) Does anyone have any clues how to fix? 2) If no fix, what package do I file a bug against? openjdk-6-jre?
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13:28<valdyn>pigah: that error should not be in java only
13:28<valdyn>pigah: so test that same ip with the usual command line tools
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13:29<valdyn>pigah: pretty unlikely that its a broken package, more likely its your broken network setup
13:29<Titan8990>even in sid
13:30<valdyn>pigah: its also not an "error" per se, its just telling you that some host / network cant be reached. That could be working as intended.
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13:31<solar_sea>I'm experiencing wifi connection loss with debian squeeze 2.6.30-2-686 kernel, a dlink gwl-122 dongle. If I start using the connection more intesivelly it sais 'No probe response from AP bla:bla:.. - disassociating' and I have to reconnect. Here is a dmesg cut about the device - http://pastebin.com/m384c48c2 Any ideas what is going wrong and how can I fix this ?
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13:31<pigah>valdyn: Thanks for suggestions. I can definitely connect to the sites in question. For example, I was trying to search Medline in jabref and received the error, but I can search Medline in browser.
13:32<peej>server.bind on lighttpd in lenny won't take an address like 192.168.0.1. How can I fix that? (looking at http://ongardie.net/blog/lighttpd-bind-localhost/ isn't enclueful)
13:32<valdyn>pigah: your browser is the wrong way to test this, it may be using a proxy
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13:33<valdyn>pigah: use the *same* thing that your java program is using, the same ip, the same port probably too
13:33<pigah>valdyn: I'll try
13:33<valdyn>pigah: "telnet <host> <port>"
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13:36<valdyn>peej: what is the error message?
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13:38<peej>Starting web server: lighttpd2009-12-07 19:37:43: (network.c.201) getaddrinfo failed: Address family for hostname not supported ' 192.168.0.1' (followed by: failed!)
13:38<olet>peej: on sid?
13:38<peej>but interestingly, it succeeded with the same setting a short while ago. (all on lenny)
13:39<pigah>valdyn: I notice now that there is more debugging info which ends with "at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.socketBind(Native Method)"
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13:40<Titan8990>pigah, but what was the result of the telnet connection?
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13:42<pigah>valdyn: I couldn't figure out what the connection details (ip and port) from jabref. I'm trying to find them...
13:43<pigah>Titan8990: Sorry that was to you
13:43<Titan8990>pigah, is the IP and port hard-coded into the application your trying to run?
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13:44*peej wonders why on earth I wouldn't get that message after leaving lighttpd stopped for a long time, the first time I started it, and then subsequently it fails. Should've checked if lighty had actually started that time it seemed to start...logs show nothing.
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13:44<pigah>Titan8990: yah, I think so.
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13:50<pigah>Titan8990: I just tried downloading a plugin in jabref from a site that I can ping and see with telnet.
13:51<pigah>Titan8990: It doesn't work in jabref and prints off about 30 lines of debugging info
13:51<pigah>Titan8990: I can also wget the file
13:52<dehaeL>anyone know if tar extracts .7z (7zip) files?
13:52<dehaeL>if not what is the package available under debian?
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13:56<valdyn>dehaeL: p7zip
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14:01<surfergeek>Any Darwin Streaming server users?
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14:09<wolfaba>Hi All. URGENT question: Is there some problem with slapd package in security update of etch??? I had slapd on a few servers and after upgrade the package slapd does not exist. Thank you for hints.
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14:13<sney>wolfaba: check bts
14:13<wolfaba>bts?
14:13<sney>!bts
14:13<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
14:14<wolfaba>thank you
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14:17<themill>judd versions slapd
14:17<judd>themill: slapd -- etch: 2.3.30-5+etch2 etch-security: 2.3.30-5+etch3 lenny: 2.4.11-1 lenny-security: 2.4.11-1+lenny1 sid: 2.4.17-2.1 squeeze: 2.4.17-2.1
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14:19<wolfaba>upgrade has uninstalled slapd and now aptitude search writes "No current or candidate version found for slapd" and aptitude install slapd will deinstall libiodbc2 libperl5.8 - is there some logic?
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14:22<wolfaba>but the aptitude -vyR install slapd=2.3.30-5+etch3 installs correct version ...
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14:22<bzed>wolfaba: put your sources.list into a pastebin
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14:44<hennessy>hi all'
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14:51<wilberfan__>morning, guys... i did a d-u on my debian testing box this morning, and my partitions no longer seem to automount...
14:51<wilberfan__>i think it might be a HAL permission thing?
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14:58<noflash>!tell wilberfan__ -about bts
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15:08<alpha>hi
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15:19<dehaeL>anyone here familiar with rsync?
15:20<dr|z3d>!anyone
15:20<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
15:20<dehaeL>lol
15:20<dehaeL>right right :)
15:20<dehaeL>alright i was wondering if rsync can be used as a standalone type client program to just download straight up files/dirs from an anoymous rsync server? or MUST one have a rysnc daemon setup also?
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15:21<BlackFate>dehaeL, no need for a deamon.. i use it just to backup from one folder to another
15:22<themill>dehaeL: rsync must be installed on both machines but rsync daemon is not required
15:22<AzaToth>I have some prolbem with my /etc/ssl and I wonder if anyone can help me
15:22<dr|z3d>dehaeL: "man rsync" you may find illuminating :)
15:22<dehaeL>okay excellent so basically i can just run rsync form command line - connect to a rsync server and just download the files/diff to al ocal folder?
15:22<dehaeL>yeap i will check it out
15:22<themill>dehaeL: I don't know how you'd set up an anonymous rsync service though
15:23<dehaeL>i think i must be typing wrong command line
15:23<dehaeL>really?
15:23<dehaeL>hmmm
15:23<BlackFate>dehaeL, you can even do it over ssh
15:24<dehaeL>yeah no need for ssh tis nothign sensitive this time around
15:24<dehaeL>it will be a rsync:// i will need to connect to tho right?
15:24<AzaToth>a few days ago I executed "chmod 755 /etc/ssl/certs" as root, as the directory was fnucked up somehow
15:24<dr|z3d>dehaeL: "Perhaps the best way to explain the syntax is with some examples:"
15:25<dr|z3d>$ man rsync
15:25*dr|z3d winks.
15:25<AzaToth>but now it's back to how it was before: "$ ls -l /etc/ssl/certs/ -ddr-------- 3 root root 10240 27 aug 01.24 /etc/ssl/certs/"
15:25<AzaToth>+nl
15:25<dehaeL>man'ing it now ;)
15:25<dr|z3d>Not before time. Save yourself and us hassle. :)
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15:26<BlackFate>dehaeL, rsync:// is only if there is rsync deamon
15:26<AzaToth>I'm rather lost here what is fucking my system up
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15:28<neilrw>evening all
15:29<beer>hi
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15:30<neilrw>anyone have any experience with queuing classes on debian?
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15:38<dehaeL>strange i get rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1522) [receiver=3.0.3]
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15:38<dehaeL>it's upgraded to th e latest version
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15:46<dehaeL>hmm checked the man page and am still having trouble
15:47<dehaeL>basically let's just i simply want to run rsync and connect to rsync://blahblah.net/rel/abx/.
15:47<dehaeL>what would the command be?
15:48<dehaeL>over TCP with user anonymous
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16:49<urbinek>hi
16:50<urbinek>i;ve got problem wth debian on notebook
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16:50<Titan8990>!ask
16:50<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
16:50<urbinek>Titan8990: heh i've googled nothing
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16:51<urbinek>sometimes booting stops on resume: libvrypt version: 1.4.1
16:52<urbinek>i must boot in single user mode, then reboot and problem is gone for awhile
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16:52<Titan8990>urbinek, what version of debian?
16:52<urbinek>lenny
16:53<urbinek>up2date
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16:53<Titan8990>urbinek, are you sure it say libvrypt?
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16:55<urbinek>libcrypt*
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16:59<urbinek>any quess ?
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16:59<Titan8990>urbinek, no, and I need to head out soon
17:00<Titan8990>I recommend trying #debian on irc.freenode.net
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17:00<urbinek>kk, bye
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18:00<youngman>Hi, I have a 2-device software RAID1 array built with mdadm (/dev/sda2, /dev/sdb2, both devices work). The /dev/sda disk has localised errors. I have a replacement disk (/dev/sdc) and want to replace the faulty disk. What's the best way to do this? How do I know when the process is complete?
18:01<youngman>AFAIK, the /dev/sdb disk has only one sector with hard failures.
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18:09<weasel>youngman: cat /proc/mdstat
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18:13<youngman>weasel, well the existing array is in sync, is that what you want to know?
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18:13<youngman>Otherwise, showing you the content is a pencil-n-paper exercise, since the afftected machien is in runlevel 1...
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18:17<cbmuser>hei, what's the status of the problems with testing at the moment?
18:17<cbmuser>has it been fixed?
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18:17<cbmuser>like the missing mysql packages and stuff
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18:21<adam_>Hello room
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18:22<adam_>is there anyone here?
18:23<jpinx-eeepc>!ask
18:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
18:23<jpinx-eeepc>adam_: ^^
18:23<adam_>kk
18:26<adam_>Can't install Debian 5.0.3. Macintosh PPC G5. OS 10.5.8 on a separate partition. I type 'install', kernel loads, screen goes white w/ black text... Invalid memory access at (long string of numbers)... stops with "Release keys to continue!" Can't input anything at that point.
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18:27<adam_>Fans spin up, the system is frozen and I have to restart.
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18:31<jonf>Hey all, is the testing repository working right now? I reinstalled my system from one of the nightly build netinst testing images, and got only a text interface when i explicitly told the installer to add a graphical desktop manager. Then I installed Lenny from the official ISO and tried to manually add the testing repositories and upgrade. My upgrade worked fine, but on restart, i again have only a terminal
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18:35<ichdasich>jonf: so then log in and fix it, or stick with lenny.
18:36<jonf>ichdasich, i am logged in, but it's awfully tough to fix something if i dont know what's up. is there anything that i should know?
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18:37<ichdasich>jonf: yeah. how to handle a testing-system, i.e. how to debug your x-server.
18:37<ichdasich>jonf: and how to ask questions 'the right way'
18:37<jonf>ichdasich, i'd love it if you'd quit being a prick and give me some constructive help.
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18:38<ichdasich>!ask
18:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:39<ichdasich>jonf: and now you try to formulate a good question with the right logs attached. (/var/log/X.*log *hinthint*)
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18:41<stitchcasey>adam_, what is happening with install again??
18:41<jonf> "I have a problem with my freshly installed debian testing system; I'm running a lenny system that was upgraded to testing right after installation via aptitude full-upgrade. When I try to boot the system I get a text terminal. I expected it to do get the gnome desktop."
18:42<jonf>Also, my X.log file is empty
18:42<stitchcasey>did you have desktop before?
18:42<ichdasich>right then. if you are logged in, and try to start x by hand, what happens?
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18:43<jonf>stitchcasey, I had a desktop before i upgraded the system to testing. Earlier this afternoon, when I installed the system to testing directly from the nightly build ISO, I got the same issue - no gnome desktop, just a command line. But lenny installed fine with a desktop
18:44<jonf>ichdasich, I started x by hand, and now have a black screen with just a cursor, but no desktop
18:44<ichdasich>jonf: that looks - indeed - goo.
18:44<ichdasich>jonf: do a ctrl+alt+backspace
18:45<jonf>ichdasich, no response
18:45<ichdasich>gnah... new X-Releases...
18:45<jonf>Ive never seen anything like it before, which is why i came here
18:45<ichdasich>jonf: try ctrl+alt+f1
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18:47<jonf>ichdasich, i have a number of EE error messages: intel(0): [drm] failed to detect GEM. Kernel 2.6.28 Required. intel(0): failed to become drm master. intel(0): failed to initialize kernel memory manager
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18:47<ichdasich>jonf: *nodd* but X seems to work.
18:48<ichdasich>jonf: just try to fire up gdm by hand
18:48<ichdasich>first /etc/init.d/gdm start
18:48<ichdasich>and if that doesnt work try just gdm
18:48<ichdasich>preferably as root ;-)
18:49<jonf>ichdasich, i am root. /etc/init.d/gdm start didn't appear to do anything, and bash can't find the command 'gdm' alone
18:49<ichdasich>jonf: hm, seems like gdm is gone.
18:49<ichdasich>apt-get install gdm.
18:50<jpinx-eeepc>jonf: testing is broken atm
18:51<jonf>ichdasich, it looks like my install was incomplete. for some reason, the system died before completing it. apt has resumed the install
18:51<dr|z3d>jonf: You might find "slim" a temporary workaround, if it's available in your repos.
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18:51<jonf>jpinx-eeepc, is there any way to back my system down to lenny in the mean time? or do i have to just wait it out or reinstall?
18:51<dr|z3d>judd: slim
18:51<judd>dr|z3d: Error: "slim" is not a valid command.
18:52<jpinx-eeepc>jonf: there is no official downgrade
18:52<ichdasich>jonf: and if you can not even debug this problem alone, a strong reconmendation from me to stick with stable.
18:52<dr|z3d>What's judd's syntax? !pkg?
18:52<jonf>jpinx-eeepc, i understand.
18:52<dr|z3d>judd: !pkg slim
18:52<judd>dr|z3d: Error: "!pkg" is not a valid command.
18:52<themill>judd: versions slim
18:52<judd>themill: slim -- lenny: 1.3.0-1+lenny1 sid: 1.3.1-3 squeeze: 1.3.1-3
18:52<jpinx-eeepc>judd: versions slim
18:52<judd>jpinx-eeepc: slim -- lenny: 1.3.0-1+lenny1 sid: 1.3.1-3 squeeze: 1.3.1-3
18:52*dr|z3d gives up.
18:53<themill>dr|z3d: /msg dpkg judd
18:53<dr|z3d>That's the one! :)
18:53<dr|z3d>themill: Thanks, will do.
18:53<jpinx-eeepc>jonf: back up your data and install stable/lenny and use backports for more recent versions of applications you might want~~~
18:54<jonf>jpinx-eeepc, will do, thank you all for your help
18:54<jpinx-eeepc>jonf: np - and come back here for more excitement ;)
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18:59<adam_>Can't install Debian 5.0.3. Macintosh PPC G5. OS 10.5.8 on a separate partition. I type 'install', kernel loads, screen goes white w/ black text... Invalid memory access at (long string of numbers)... Last line reads "Release keys to continue!" Can't type anything at that point. Fans spin up, the system is frozen and I have to restart.
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19:06<jonatthelinuxexperiment>jpinx-eeepc, ichdasich, and stitchcasey, thanks a lot for your help.
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19:07<jonatthelinuxexperiment>i got my desktop back by installing and starting gdm by hand
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19:09<jpinx-eeepc>jon2: cool - now will you install stable/lenny? (before soemthing serious breaks in testing
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19:10<jon2>jpinx-eeepc, I've thought about it before, but to be honest, im learning far more running testing. it rarely destroys itself so fully, and im getting a trial by fire fixing the little things that pop up now and again
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19:10<jon2>jpinx-eeepc, my goal is to become familiar with a debian system inside out and backward, and this seems to be working for me so far
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19:28<jpinx-eeepc>jon2: your choice, but remember that testing is not officially supported
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19:31<isak>from my understanding unstable seems better than testing because fixes might reach it faster, dont know how often sid breaks only been using debian for a week or two and i like it very much
19:33<jon2>isak, in my experience, testing is far better than Lenny, because everything is up to date. It saves you from having to go outside of the repositories to get newer versions of software, which is great
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19:33<themill>!versionsmite jon2
19:33*dpkg upgrades jon2 to uber-l33t version 42.1 without noticing the critical bug that this introduces. (Ask me about <version chasing>)
19:34<themill>newer != better.
19:34<jon2>themill, you're right i know
19:34<jpinx-eeepc>!sns
19:34<dpkg>it has been said that sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.
19:34<isak>:)
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19:35<jpinx-eeepc>jon2: please don;t encourage people to use testing unless you are personally prepared to hold their hand
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19:35<jon2>jpinx-eeepc, i wasn't trying to encourage. i'm nowhere near skilled enough to help anybody with their problems
19:35<jpinx-eeepc>jon2: nor am I - so I recommend stable ;)
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19:37<isak>wise thoughts, i will keep that one in mind. :)
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19:38<jon2>isak, my point was that i personally like testing - but it comes with a big risk if you're unskilled like i am and somewhat new to linux. it's not officially supported around here, so it's tough to fix if you don't know what you're doing and it breaks
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19:39<isak>jon2, indeed, i run sid (unstable) myself
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19:59<isak>jon2, if you're new to linux you might want to install the debian reference, glossed through it and it seems good
20:00<jon2>isak, thanks for the tip, i'll look into it
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20:04<jpinx-eeepc>jon2: you could have stable as your system and install whatever for learning in a virtual machine
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20:05<jon2>jpinx-eeepc, that's actually a really good idea. i've used sun virtual box before on windows, and it's really nice for that kind of sandboxed stuff. The laptop that I have debian testing on is not my primary machine though, so i don't mind breaking it every now and again.
20:06<jpinx-eeepc>fairysnuff - and the vbox takes a fair bit of grunt to run smoothly
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20:08<jon2>jpinx-eeepc, this is true, but I have a copy of most major linux installs and an old XP installation on my vbox, and it takes everything that i can throw at it
20:08<jpinx-eeepc>that must be a grunty laptop ;)
20:09<jon2>nah, that's on the main dual core box. the laptop just has Testing and some school stuff on it. nothing important, so i can afford to break it now and again while trying to do fun stuff
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20:15<jon2>hey here's a question - i've lost the nm-applet daemon in my top panel in gnome. it's not in any of the menus or in the Add to Panel dialog, so i can't seem to re-add it to the panel. When I run nm-applet from the terminal, I get a warning saying that nm-applet "could not acquire the NetworkManagerUserSettings service as it is already taken." The odd thing is that nm-applet is listed in startup applications, but still doesn't launch, presumably
20:15<jon2> because of that error. I've tried reinstalling the network manager package, but to no avail.
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20:16<isak>jon2, you can try "/etc/init.d/network-manager restart" and pray :)
20:17<jon2>isak, thanks - that did restart the connection and refresh my ip address, but it didn't quite solve the problem - i still can't get the nm-applet daemon to show up in the panel where it ought to be. it complains that something else is already using the NetworkManagerUserSettings service
20:18<isak>jon2, no idea, it pops up automatically when i start network-manager here.
20:19<jon2>nvm fixed it - turns out that nm-applet runs inside of the notification area, and that i had accidentally removed the notification area. it couldn't start, because it was already running and i just couldn't see it. thanks though
20:19<isak>ah:)
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21:19<OddTod>hey guys i was wondering if there is a way to list smb mounts from the CLI
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21:20<TCW>I hope I am not the only one who thinks the filesystem UUID is a _BAD_ idea for setting as the mountpoint-name in gnome when USB disks are connected to a box? Maybe since a week or so my gnome does this... and it _sucks_!
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21:21<TCW>OddTod, smbclient -L server
21:21<OddTod>thank you sir
21:22<TCW>you're welcome
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21:26<TCW>/media/f59756b8-74e8-457e-83a4-516335ac615c/ *sigh*
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21:36<OddTod>is there a good way to browse the network with CLI just to see resources available to you?
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21:40<jmarsden>OddTod: Define "available to you"? Is the cli supposed to guess what passwords you know? :) That's asking a lot.
21:41<OddTod>jmarsden: just show local computers running SMB shares and NFS if that is possible I know smbtree jsut wondering if there is something that encompasses other shares
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21:42<jmarsden>Well, for ultimate breadth of scanning, nmap I suppose :)
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21:44<OddTod>jmarsden: i was afraid that would be your response. I have tried using nmap in the past and it was difficult / frustrating.
21:45<jmarsden>Why?
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21:46<OddTod>I'm not sure to be honest it the syntax is confusing i guess. I should read some more about it. I also didn't know as much about networking at the time so that was prlly part of it
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21:47<jmarsden>Sure. Something like nmap -p 135,2049 192.168.0.0/24 --open might do what you are looking for (on a 192.168.0.* subnet)
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21:48<jmarsden>That just says "scan the powers 135 and 2049 for all Ip addresses in the 192.168.0.0/24 subnet and only tell me about open ports"
21:49<jmarsden>Err: "scan the ports 135 and 2049 for all IP addresses in the 192.168.0.0/24 subnet and only tell me about open ports"
21:50<OddTod>thanks this is helpful i'll have to use it and report back if I see you in here later thank you
21:50<jmarsden>You're welcome.
21:50<Supaplex>not that you do, but, you don't want to scan large numbers of services/networks you don't own. my firewall routinuely generates reports to network admins about problematic activity. just fyi :)
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21:52<OddTod>Supaplex: always within a network I own. :)
21:53<Supaplex>my favorite is certian types of external access to my broadcast address (on my routed subnet).
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21:55<ogmios>Hi, new user here with a quick question
21:56<ogmios>aptitude full-upgrade on Squeeze looks like it wants to remove everything related to Pulseaudio... Is this okay or should I not let it ?
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22:01<vook>hmm, I don't have any pulseaudio packages installed (in squeeze). Unless you prefer it, you should be fine.
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22:04<Supaplex>but I thought that was only in ubuntu </bait>
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22:05<OddTod></bait> what does that mean?
22:05<ogmios>vook: thanks
22:05<Hideo>bait is for fishes
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22:07<Supaplex>eg, to lure you into taking the bait. it's a trap of sorts.
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22:08<vook>ya - I'd never heard of pulseaudio until I looked it up - it is in the debian repo.
22:09<OddTod>so you're baiting him or he's baiting you?
22:09<vook>beats the
22:09<vook>&*!* out of me
22:09*jpinx-eeepc hands vook a big stick
22:10<Supaplex>just nm
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22:10<vook>I was kidding of course, sorry to &!ing curse. :)
22:12<OddTod>my bad
22:13<vook>on another subject - everytime I close my laptop lid and reopen it, my display is messed up, with the mouse bouncing all over the place. It doesn't seem to matter what I do (restart X, reload all modules, etc...), I can't get back to a stable screen until I reboot. Any ideas ?
22:13<vook>well, to clarify, the mouse bounces about 20 pixels back and fourth, and the screen flashes.
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22:15<stitchcasey>Do all the architectures in Debian use the same software packages?
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22:16<goodger>vook: I suspect your display driver or ACPI driver or both are improperly configured
22:18<abrotman>stitchcasey: they try to .. some aren't intended for $FOO_ARCH
22:20<vook>goodger: I just remembered, it doesn't happen until gnome loads. If I just load xinit and then openbox, it's okay. I do think I remember it starting after installing some gnome utility come to think of it.
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22:22<stitchcasey>so certain platforms only use certain mirror lists?
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22:25<klamo> /msg dpkg lenny
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22:25<Pitxyoki>stitchcasey, yes, they do.
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22:26<Pitxyoki>Some packages may be available sooner for some archs than others.
22:26<abrotman>stitchcasey: if you look at a mirror, you'll see a binary-$ARCH, and inside each of those a Packages file that has the pafckages for that arch
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22:26<klamo>hey everybody, I'm on the outlook for some help upgrading my debian testing to kde4 with aptitude
22:27<abrotman>http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 .. for example
22:27<abrotman>klamo: wait a few days
22:27<jpinx-eeepc>!tell klamo about aptitude
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22:28<klamo>abrotman: is there something coming ?
22:28<abrotman>klamo: there are some issues currently
22:30<klamo>abrotman: k good to know, but still aptitude warns of dependencies issues and only offers solutions which seems wrong
22:30<abrotman>which is why i'm saying to wait a few days
22:30<stitchcasey>thank you. running 5.0.3 on a 400MHz powermac g4, incidentally
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22:31<klamo>it's been so since kde4 hit testing repositories and I've been holding back since
22:32<klamo>so i'm gonna wait a few more days but then what am I supposed to do ?
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22:34<OddTod>stitchcasey: is that your main pc?
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22:35<klamo>hi guys, I'm looking for a guide to upgrade my debian testing to kde4 using aptitude. searching google didn't help.
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22:38<jpinx-eeepc>klamo: you were told to wait a few days
22:39<jpinx-eeepc>testing is not good just now
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22:40<klamo>jpinx-eeepc: I got that but in a few days I'll still be unable to pick a solution from aptitude
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22:40<jpinx-eeepc>whynot?
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22:40<Hideo>crystal ball said so
22:41<klamo>because I have no idea what choice i should pick, none of them make sense to me
22:44<klamo>since squeeze release I've only been doing safe upgrades because I don't understand the solutions to dependencies issues offered by aptitude and I'd like to learn to deal with this situation hence me asking for a guide on irc
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22:46<jpinx-eeepc>klamo: you sound like you should be running stable
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22:47<jpinx-eeepc>klamo: squeeze is not officially supported
22:47<gerzel>Ok
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22:48<klamo>jpinx-eeepc: you sound like you should not be on a support channel
22:48<jpinx-eeepc>!tell klamo about testing
22:48<stitchcasey>oddtod: no, it is not. also, no gui on this one (yet)
22:49<klamo>jpinx-eeepc: yeah great i know what testing is I've been using it on my main box for 2 years now
22:49<gerzel>My panel is constantly blinkinng as if it is crashing and restarting. I think a broken applet is doing it.
22:49<jpinx-eeepc>klamo: then you will know it is not supported ;)
22:50<gerzel>I don' have access to the panel menue
22:50<jpinx-eeepc>klamo: there are other squeeze users who might help you out - but it's a bit random
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22:52<klamo>jpinx-eeepc: let's just stop this flame war here, if you don't want to help or don't know how to do so, just don't. I just wanted to get better at using aptitude but I guess i'll just go back to smxi
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22:53<Hideo>get better at using aptitude? You'll need a degree for that </sarcasm>
22:54<jpinx-eeepc>read man aptitude - it's all there
22:54<Hideo>liar!
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23:50<Supaplex>I refuse!
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