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01:41<s4br3>Hi, does anyone know if different distros using identical kernels have different hardware detection capacities. A guy said his distro where Debian failed. I thought it was the kernel detecting new hardware. What else could it be?!
01:42<s4br3>Hi, does anyone know if different distros using identical kernels have different hardware deteA guy said his distro detected a network card where Debian failed.
01:42<s4br3>Sorry for the clutter
01:43<ABCD>"different distros using identical kernels"... there are no two distros that use identical kernels
01:43<ABCD>(at least, not in my experience)
01:44<s4br3>No, there are no "vanilla kernels"?
01:44<jmarsden>s4br3: Not that distros actually use as is :)
01:45<s4br3>But, wouldn't everyone use something as a essential a some other distro's better hw detection?!
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02:13<milo>hi dose anyone know how to use tar.gz to uncompress them
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02:13<milo>everytime i try i get a erro
02:13<milo>error
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04:28<debLenny>Hi all
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04:29<debLenny>i would like to mount all the partitions of my hard disk drive into my mount partition, from a live CD, but i don't find the location of the partitions
04:31<perk>debLenny, should be /dev/somethingorother
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04:31<perk>debLenny, where somethingorother is sdX# or hdX# or such (sda1, hdb3 etc).
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04:33<cydork>debalance, check /proc/partitions
04:35<debalance>cydork: I assume you meant debLenny, not me
04:35<cydork>debalance, err.. yes i did.. sorry :)
04:36<debalance>no problem
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04:42<debLenny>cydork: thanks
04:42<debLenny>cydork: i rather type fdisk -l
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05:27<rah>I have a bit of a problem with the statoverride file, apparently
05:27<rah>http://pastebin.com/m38d835bb
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05:28<rah>http://pastebin.com/m20dd1846
05:30<rah>do I want to remove lines from /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride?
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05:37<themill>rah: this would normally be because you don't have other packages installed that you should have installed or because you're mixing different versions of the packages. Any reason you're not installing with aptitude?
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05:41<rah>themill: I believe the package that I should have installed is 'mediatomb' which I previously removed
05:42<rah>themill: and as you can see, that's the package I'm trying to install when I get the fatal error
05:42<rah>themill: I'm not installing with aptitude because I'm not aware of any reason I should
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05:42<themill>You should always use a proper dependency resolver to install things.
05:43<themill>judd depends mediatomb --release squeeze
05:43<judd>themill: mediatomb -- Depends: mediatomb-daemon (>= 0.12.0~svn2018-4), iceweasel | firefox | www-browser
05:43<themill>do you have "mediatomb-daemon" of an approrpriate version installed?
05:43<themill>judd depends mediatomb-daemon --release squeeze
05:43<judd>themill: mediatomb-daemon -- Depends: mediatomb-common (>= 0.12.0~svn2018-4), adduser (>= 3.34)
05:43<rah>yes
05:43<themill>and mediatomb-common?
05:43<rah>well, I'm not sure if I do have it installed actually
05:43<rah>pc mediatomb-daemon 0.12.0~svn2018-4 UPnP MediaServer (daemon package)
05:44<themill>that would be "no"
05:44<rah>I think you're misunderstanding the problem
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05:45<rah>I can't install any mediatomb packages because there is a problem with the statoverride file
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05:45<rah>there is a problem with the statoverride file, it seems because I can't install any mediatomb packages
05:46<rah>so the question is: how can I install or remove such packages?
05:46<rah>ie, how do I resolve the issue with the statoverride file?
05:47<themill>rah: back up the statoverride file, remove the two mediatomb lines from it and then all should be well. But next time *USE APTITUDE* and you wouldn't have this problem.
05:48<rah>why would have this problem with aptitude but not apt?
05:48<rah>err
05:48<rah>why would have this problem with apt but not aptitude?
05:48<themill>you didn't use apt, you used dpkg
05:48<rah>no, I used apt
05:48<themill>you haven't actually installed any of the dependencies for mediatomb, including mediatomb-daemon that creates the user
05:49<rah>I have
05:49<themill>that dpkg output just showed that you didn't have mediatomb-daemon installed
05:49<rah>I don't have it installed now
05:49*themill gives up
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05:51<rah>seems to be a bug with mediatomb
05:52<themill>more likely a problem with the way you were installing it...
05:52<rah>I don't think so
05:52<themill>(I just tried it and it worked without any problem)
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05:54<rah>I'm unfortunately not so lucky
05:54<rah>http://pastebin.com/m4f59c164
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05:56<rah>as I said, seems to be a bug with mediatomb
05:57<Nopsus>I need help setting 3d acceleration
05:57<themill>rah: once again, I don't see that behaviour; but you just showed me that it did install correctly
05:57<Nopsus>sis 620, debian squeeze
05:57<rah>themill: and that there is no problem with the way I was installing it
05:58<themill>rah: err... except that when you installed it using apt it worked fine and when you installed just one random package by dpkg it didn't work fine which is what I've been telling you for the last 20 minutes
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05:59<Nopsus>err... someone?
06:00<rah>themill: the problem wasn't the way in which I was installing it
06:00<rah>themill: http://pastebin.com/m430d7864
06:00<rah>themill: the problem seems to be a bug with mediatomb
06:01<rah>themill: there is no problem with the way I was installing it
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06:02<rah>themill: as I've been saying for the last 15 minutes
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06:02<Nopsus>*BUMP*
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06:03<rah>Nopsus: what do you mean by "setting" 3d acceleration?
06:03<rah>that doesn't make sense
06:05<Nopsus>[08:04:20] Nopsus: i have no 3d accelerationrn[08:04:51] Nopsus: on system information, under display, it reads: renderer software rasterizerrn[08:05:04] Nopsus: like no native acceleration
06:07<Nopsus>also my xorg.conf seems empty
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06:08<Nopsus>http://pastebin.com/d18dae72c
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06:11<rah>Nopsus: tell X to use the right driver?
06:12<rah>Nopsus: put a 'Driver "whatever"' line in the Device section
06:14<Nopsus>and which is the right driver?
06:14<rah>I'm just guessing here, but maybe the sis driver?
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06:15<Nopsus>how to restart X after that?
06:15<rah>how did you start it?
06:15<Nopsus>dont know im using gdm
06:16<BdN3504>hi, i was here yesterday and have problems with the 8139cp driver that have been partly resolved. Now i want to know how to permanently remove that module
06:16<rah>/etc/init.d/gdm restart
06:16<Nopsus>ah so gdm controls X as well interesting..
06:16<rah>O_o
06:16<BdN3504>i have used rm -rf /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-486/kernel/drivers/net/8139cp.ko
06:16<rah>o_O
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06:17<BdN3504>but when i restart and do lsmod, 8139cp is still listed
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06:17<BdN3504>under mii
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06:19<BdN3504>the network adapter works fine now. the system still gives out a warning saying use 8139too instead of 8139cp at boot time
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06:20<BdN3504>but i have blacklisted 8139cp and now the adapter works fine. i just don't understand why lsmod still shows 8139cp after i have removed the driver for it
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06:22<Nopsus>no luck, restarted X, but its still using software rasterizer
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06:27<Nopsus>and glxgears shows horrible FPS
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06:35<cyres>salve
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07:05<Jarlaxe>hi everyone, i need some advices about upgrading system. I run a lenny/sid on a eeepc 701, installed on SDcard, lxde. I installed lenny stable first. Then an advice suggest me to move to Sid. Recently, i did an upgrade and i have several bugs now that i don't know to fix them, and i need a operational system quickly. I don't want to use stable version : i need new features of some software. So can i go from Sid to Testing ? I r
07:07<BlackFate>Jarlaxe, there is a way to downgrade apps but i wouldnt suggest it for a whole desktop... just reinstall
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07:09<Jarlaxe>BlackFate: i can't reinstall (i don't have a full acces to internet)
07:10<wwwolf>Jarlaxe: when you want to try Sid, use sidux, there you find also special information regarding eeepc
07:10<Jarlaxe>but i do understand downgrading is not a good way
07:11<BlackFate>Jarlaxe, for now the best i would suggest is try fixing most of the bugs one by one.. since you dont have full net access
07:11<Jarlaxe>http://sidux.com/ ok i got it. thx wwwolf
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07:11<BlackFate>Jahman, no need to download whole sidux iso... just add the sidux sources
07:12<Jarlaxe>BlackFate: so for that point. A recent boot sequence locked on a forced checking of the system. I try to find it back in logs, but i didn't. There are pb with alsa, X server and i don't know what else
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07:15<BlackFate>Jarlaxe, yeh i know that boot sequence delay.. i think it was a udev error.. but now its all fixed
07:15<wwwolf>Jarlaxe: search a bit around in the forum ... http://sidux.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-7669-highlight-eeepc.html
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07:15<BlackFate>Jarlaxe, im a sidux user too
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07:18<Jarlaxe>it's quiet interresting indeed. so maybe keep the sid version could be ok. but i HAVE to fix bugs quickly. (i;m not really a pc specialist mor passionate)
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07:19<Jarlaxe>BlackFate: what do you mean by that boot sequence delay ? udev error ?
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07:21<BlackFate>Jahman, when version 148-1 of udev was released... there were some boot issues.. but later with 148-2 that was fixed
07:21<BlackFate>Jarlaxe,
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07:22<Tenguch>hello
07:23<Tenguch>I'm trying to change manually the date on y debian server, but I fail... as root, I type : date 1101010009; date and it tells me it's still today :/
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07:23<Tenguch>I have no ntp there..
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07:42<Tenguch>oh, found it. xen problem
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08:01<m3onh0x84>hi all, What's the apps can configure all apps database like debconf, dbconfig ?
08:03<Titan8990>m3onh0x84, gconf?
08:03<m3onh0x84>Titan8990, thankss, :D
08:03<m3onh0x84>It can config meta package , framework package ?
08:06<Titan8990>no, just gnome applications setting
08:06<m3onh0x84>Titan8990, thankss
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08:15<jery>hi, i just installed Debian 5.03 on my laptop with Intel Corporation Mobile GME965/GLE960 Integrated Graphics Controller,it shows a black screen when starting gdm,couldn't find any solutions
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08:17<dr|z3d>jery: Have a look at your xorg.conf
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08:18<jery>can i paste it here?
08:19<dr|z3d>Absolutely not.
08:19<dr|z3d>!pastebin
08:19<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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08:20<jery>http://paste.debian.net/53471/
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08:27<jan>what is the recommended way of installing 32bit packages on a amd64 debian these days? (running squeeze/sid)?
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08:39<Jahman>hi, anyone know how can i bind nis to a specific interface?
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08:52<serolix>hola se ve que se anima la cosa ayer solo eramos 10 conectados
08:52<Titan8990>!es
08:52<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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08:54<shiznatix>Hello. For some reason starting today I can no longer login to MSN via Pidgin. I get a "our protocol is not supprted by the server" error. Is this planned on being fixed any time soon? I know this is a Debian chat but maybe there is a new release coming through soon?
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08:56<gsimmons>shiznatix: Reported in Debian bug #559982, you can subscribe to that for updates.
08:56<jm_>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=559982
08:56<jm_>doh :P
08:56<shiznatix>cool, thanks guys
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08:57<Guest733>what is the recommended way of installing 32bit packages on a amd64 debian these days? (running squeeze/sid)?
08:58<Lethalman>Guest733, which package
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08:58<Guest733>Lethalman: any package
08:58<Guest733>I just need a few 32bit libraries to be able to run Adobe AIR
08:59<Lethalman>Guest733, just install it, but if you don't know which one, what's the problem?
08:59<Lethalman>which libraries
08:59<jm_>there is ia32 libs package
08:59<Guest733>I know there used to be something like ia32-apt-get, but that doesnt seem to exist anymore?
08:59<Guest733>yeah jm_ I've got that one, but it doesnt contain all I need
08:59<Lethalman>there're ia32 libraries, standard libraries, gtk libraries etc.
08:59<Lethalman>but you need to know which one
08:59<Guest733>still missing libnss3
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09:00<Guest733>libnss3.so
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09:01<jm_>maybe run it in chroot
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09:01<Guest733>there used to be ia32-apt-get some months ago, which allowed you to install a 32bit version of any package you want. but apparently that doesnt exist anymore
09:03<jm_>and multiarch wiki page doesn't say much either
09:04<Guest733>hmmm strange. I didnt follow the whole multiarch story very closely, and now it seems I'm completely out of date on it :p
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09:11<tazz>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=544629 sun-java6-bin has been orphaned does that mean that if no one picks the maintenance up, future debian versions will no longer support jre ?
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09:25<Titan8990>tazz, yes
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09:25<Titan8990>tazz, its unlikely no one will pick it up
09:25<tazz>interesting
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09:27<themill>tazz: openjdk replaces sun java
09:27<zs>Could anyone tell me how i can find if there was a intruder in a debian server=
09:27<tazz>ah i see
09:27<tazz>zs, first of all you can use w
09:28<tazz>to see who is logged in.
09:28<Titan8990>zs, a good intruder will not leave traces
09:28<Titan8990>zs, you will find many of your log files missing, otherwise auth.log
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09:28<tazz>zs, also there might be attempt to brute force.
09:29<tazz>if an exploit is not used.
09:29<zs>well there are bruteforce attempts
09:29<tazz>zs, also scanning your box with something like clamscan wont hurt either.
09:29<zs>the problem is the http server went offline
09:29<zs>after examening the PHP log file said error cannot open file x
09:29<BlackFate>zs, maybe check bash history
09:29<zs>i checked and all files in /var/www are modified yesterday
09:29<BlackFate>zs, lastlog
09:30<Titan8990>zs, did you allow password login for root ssh on port 22?
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09:30<zs>i did not, the guy who setup this linux server
09:30<zs>auth.log is indeed missing
09:30<tazz>zs, time to call in the experts?
09:31<zs>well lets say its there, however i cant open it
09:31<Titan8990>then your not root
09:31<zs>hmm wait got it to open
09:31<tazz>zs, use tail command
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09:31<tazz>and tail -f <file> for realtime log viewing
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09:33<zs>not getting any new lines atm, server gets approx 16 failed login attempts per minute
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09:38<zs>ssh.log should display all access attempts?
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09:47<slush>ssh.log doesnt exist normally
09:49<perk>auth.log?
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09:51<pythonic>hi, where can i get the revision history of the debian keyring?
09:51<zs>i have auth.log and ssh.log
09:51<zs>just called, somebody was supposed to modify those files, but he most likely messed up
09:52<themill>pythonic: in the normal place: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/debian-keyring/debian-keyring_2009.11.04/changelog
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09:55<pythonic>themill: can i construct all the keys and signatures in the web of trust from that?
09:55<pythonic>(at any point in time..)
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09:58<pythonic>hmm. seems not.
09:58<pythonic>:-(
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10:37<tonguim>Hi all
10:38<tonguim>when i run the command pdflatex myFile.tex, i get the following error mes:
10:38<tonguim>bash: pdflatex: command not found
10:38<tonguim>Please how can i fix it?
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10:39<tonguim>i've installed already texlive-full package
10:39<kooll>tonguim: 'apt-file search pdflatex' tells me it's in the texlive-latex-base package
10:40<tonguim>did you mean apt-get search pdflatex?
10:40<kooll>non
10:40<kooll>*no
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10:41<setog3>tonguim: apt-file is a tool that help to search a specific file into packages
10:41<kooll>I meant exactly what I typed. (and, apt-file isn't installed by default)
10:42<tonguim>ah i see because 'apt-file search pdflatex' give me this err msg 'bash: apt-file: command not found'
10:42<setog3>and /usr/bin/pdflatex is in texlive-latex-base like kooll sayed (maybee apt-get install apt-files ; apt-file update )
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10:45<tonguim>this command /usr/bin/pdflatex doesn't exists on my system
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10:47<tonguim>i think maybe i should update my source list
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10:50<tonguim>from which source can i download latex please? I use debian lenny
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10:52<pythonic>tonguim: apt-cache search texlive
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11:16<HardwareFreak>added a PCI SATA controller (SiI3512) and a 500GB WD SATA2 drive to and old 440BX mobo which has 40GB IDE drive for boot and system working off PIIX IDE driver. Booted system, SATA card BIOS detected the 500GB drive, booted Lenny, sata_sil loaded and detected the 500GB drive. Problem is I can't find it listed in /dev/ and fdisk -I doesn't show the new drive. What should I do?
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11:23<john>who?
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11:31<jery>hi,i have installed Debian 5.03 on my system with intel gme965/gle960 graphics controller, i get a blank screen when starting gdm and it stops there.is there anyway to solve this?
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11:34<Titan8990>jery, what happens if you don't use gdm and startx from the command line?
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11:35<jery>i get the same results
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11:35<Titan8990>jery, or are you saying gdm comes up but black screen after log in?
11:35<jery>no, gdm won't start
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11:35<jery>as soon as it starts, it hangs there with a blank screen
11:35<amphi>jery: anything useful in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
11:35<Titan8990>jery, alright, try startx again from the command line, then pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
11:36<jery>ok
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11:36<Titan8990>amphi, gdm isn't actually xserver, so its weird that it doesn't work
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11:39<saizad>hello to every one
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11:42<jery>Titan8998: i have to reboot for startx, be right back
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11:44<HardwareFreak>why is my new drive not appearing in /dev? such as /dev/sda?
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11:44<jpinx-eeepc>HardwareFreak: what does fdisk -l say?
11:45<HardwareFreak>jpinx-eeepc: nothing. zero. only shows the old drive, not the new one.
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11:45<jpinx-eeepc>HardwareFreak: did you plug it into a running system?
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11:46<jpinx-eeepc>HardwareFreak: udev might not have picked it up
11:46<HardwareFreak>jpinx-eepc: read my initial _long_ post above fore more details.
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11:46<pythonic>hi, where can i get the revision history of the debian keyring?
11:46<pythonic>i'd like to reconstruct the web of trust an any point in time
11:46<HardwareFreak>jpinx-eepc: I posted a short version hoping someone would actually help...
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11:47<Titan8990>pythonic, i would check the changelog in the source
11:47<pythonic>Titan8990: can i reconstruct the web of trust from that?
11:47<Titan8990>pythonic, no idea
11:47<jpinx-eeepc>HardwareFreak: nfc - sorry
11:48<HardwareFreak>jpinx-eepc: thanks anyway for at least looking
11:48<HardwareFreak>is there another channel where kernel hackers hang out? Where I might be able to get help with this obscure issue?
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11:49<Titan8990>HardwareFreak, pastebin dmesg and I will have a look
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11:49<sun>hi im running testing, and today firefox became rather crashy, is anyone else having this trouble?
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11:52<HardwareFreak>Titan8990: Thanks. Do you want the whole thing or just the relevant sata stuff?
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11:52<Titan8990>HardwareFreak, just throw the whole thing up, i can search for the relevant stuff
11:52<jery_>Titan8990: Thanks , i haven't changed any thing, but it seems to be working now
11:52<Titan8990>jery_, with gdm too?
11:52<jery_>yes
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11:53<Titan8990>nice, good to see
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11:53<HardwareFreak>Titan8990: http://debian.pastebin.com/d277e0ec2
11:54<jery_>bye
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11:55<HardwareFreak>Titan8990: I compiles my own kernel, so I guess it's possible I missed including something. I have no clue at this point. The SCSI layer loads, and sata_sil loads. It finds the drive, but then doesn't assign a device name. Freaky.
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11:56<HardwareFreak>Titan8990: I used kernel.org 2.6.31 source, not Debian source
11:56<HardwareFreak>Titan8990: actually, it's 2.6.31.1
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12:04<Titan8990>HardwareFreak, have you tried with the default .26 kernel?
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12:05<sney>this is an interesting line: ata2: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 310)
12:05<sney>would seem to suggest a loose connection.
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12:05<Titan8990>right, and it appears to be a kernel problem
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12:06<HardwareFreak>Titan8990: no. I've been running with the 2.6.31.1 kernel since Oct without problems. But, I didn't have a sata card/drive until yesterday. If I go back to 2.6.26 I'll have to compile another 2.6.26 with wil sata_sil support. I've been running custom kernels for about 6 years. I don't even have a stock kernel on the machine. Has libata or sata_sil changed from 2.6.26 to 2.6.31?
12:07<Titan8990>HardwareFreak, couldn't say, what is the need for custom kernel?
12:07<Titan8990>the default .26 will have sata_sil support
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12:10<HardwareFreak>Titan8990: many reasons. Old system, limited RAM, I don't like bloat, stock kernels are phat with all kinds of stuff I don't need and won't use. I don't think there's anything in make menuconfig that I missed relating to sata. I just compiled the kernel day before yesterday, keeping all the same settings as my previous kernel, but adding sata_sil.
12:10<dserban_>The squeeze installer is detecting two ide drives (same make/model) which are both connected to ide ports on the motherboard (different controllers), one as hda, the other as sda, is this normal behaviour and am I safe to use both in a bootable raid 1 array?
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12:11<Titan8990>HardwareFreak, the kernel is not bloated, most of the feature are modules, not compiled in to the kernel
12:12<Titan8990>HardwareFreak, the physical size of my default debian kernel is smaller than the custom kernels I did for gentoo
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12:22<Tommytom>hi !
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12:28<valdyn>dserban_: yea
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13:13<HardwareFreak>Titan8990: found it. I hadn't enabled "SCSI Disk Support" under the SCSI section of make menuconfig. Doing so now and compiling a new kernel.
13:14<Titan8990>HardwareFreak, I still think its completely unnecessary unless your just trying to drop the initrd for increased boot time
13:14<HardwareFreak>Titan8990: SCSI Disk Support is required for libata SATA support. This SCSI Disk Support is what causes SATA disk to be enumerated as /dev/Sda /dev/Sdb etc
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13:15<Titan8990>HardwareFreak, if you were running the default, it would have just worked, and the machine would have likely performed the same
13:15<Titan8990>!gentoosmite HardwareFreak
13:15*dpkg spends 7 days recompiling HardwareFreak, and when it's all done, HardwareFreak runs 0.6% faster than previously
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13:15<HardwareFreak>Titan8990: that's one of the reasons as well. Also, I've been upgrading this same system since Woody, and thus use LILO. Switching to Grub at this stage could be wrought with problems according to some stuff I've read so I staying with LILO and no initrd.
13:15<brbrbr>just naming ? mot NCQ depend on SCSI or other things ? :)
13:16<Titan8990>HardwareFreak, lilo can boot an initrd iirc
13:17<HardwareFreak>brbrbr: I don't know _all_ the specifics on how SCSI and litata are linked.
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13:17<brbrbr>i mean, SATA feats need SCSI, not only because naming, right?
13:18<brbrbr>oh
13:18<brbrbr>same problem
13:18<HardwareFreak>Titan8990: I read in the Lenny release notes that the boot image or boot image + initrd can be too large for LILO and will crash it. It also said switching to Grub can cause boot failure. So, I just stuck with LILO and no initrd. I've never used initrd.
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13:18<brbrbr>having Lilo with debian until Lenny beta2, flawless, then ... no way, because use LVM :/
13:19<brbrbr>i mean there is workarounds for it ? to make 2.6.26+ kernels+LILO+LVM working?
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13:20<brbrbr>p.s. also have encrypted[LUKS]volumes too[on some machines]
13:20<Titan8990>brbrbr, if /boot is on the LVM, grub2 is the only I know that can do it
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13:21<brbrbr>no, boot is not on LVM. and no its not change anything. LILO not work. while LILO is work[previously]even with roof inside LVM
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13:22<PovAddict>there is a new Flash version fixing a security bug
13:22<PovAddict>update-flashplugin-nonfree isn't giving me anything though
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13:28<k1lumin4t1>My PC won't load X using linux-image-2.6.3x and a ATI radeon xpress 200 GPU under Debian Sid
13:29<k1lumin4t1>It only works with linux-image-2.6.26
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13:35<brbrbr>k1lumin4t1 what x server ? vesa ?
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13:38<k1lumin4t1>brbrbr, xserver-xorg 7.4+4
13:39<brbrbr>no, i mean what x-server was you try run under x-org
13:39<brbrbr>in "Windows" thats called "drivers"
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13:39<brbrbr>radeonhd, radeon, fglrx ?
13:39<brbrbr>vesa, fb? and etc
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13:41<brbrbr>in case of fglrx - try uninstall fglrx 1st[/use/share/ati/....-uninstall.sh script], then restart X. then rebuilt fglrx AGAIN[not from DEB's]. note: proprietary driver- NOT support recent X-servers and kernel
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13:44<Titan8990>brbrbr, debian sid is not supported
13:44<Titan8990>and its likely whatever hes doing is plain broken
13:47<brbrbr>"not supported" by what ? fglrx ? its not support even "supported" distros. try have some tech support via phone, for example. and not, in previous sid stages its work, just because minimal money/HR/horsepowers put in UX support there was tremendous lag between FSF/Linus and ATi/AMD
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13:49<brbrbr>hope they finally releav HW specs for radeon/radeonhd teams and we can forget fglrx forever
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13:56<locklace>dpkg: ping
13:56<dpkg>Yes, locklace, you are online.
13:56<locklace>dpkg: qotd0
13:56<dpkg><kingk> Its pretty easy to install Flash, you just dl, unpack, and run the installer. But it doesn't work for me <takatumi> kingk: and yet you say it's easy.
13:56<PovAddict>dpkg: qotd0
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14:35<hellyeah>hey
14:35<hellyeah>what happen to freenode
14:35<hellyeah>do you have any idea
14:35<retrospectacus>it's fine, what do you think happened?
14:35<hellyeah>there is nobody
14:36<hellyeah>server is almost empty
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14:36<hellyeah>and servis has crashed
14:38<Kvant>then you're probably on a split server, try reconnect
14:38<hellyeah>hmm
14:39<hellyeah>yeah it said you are in split server
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15:01<rjent>Greetings, in the installer recipe string how do I reference a partition to be created and formated to ext3 but not used in the system?
15:01<rjent>I have tried the following http://paste.debian.net/53511/ (last entry).
15:01<rjent> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
15:02<rjent>I want to partition and format the device but not show up in /etc/fstab
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15:05<Titan8990>rjent, I have never messed with that but I would assume that just ommit the line that contains the mount point
15:06<Titan8990>rjent, no mount point == not used
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15:06<kurumin>helo, how are you
15:06<rjent>Titan8990: Ok thanks for the information. I shall try that.
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15:10<stuckey_>Anyone here know anything about networks? I'm trying to forward a port with a samsung router but I'm not havnig any lucky.
15:10<stuckey_>luck
15:11<stuckey_>It is really frustrating since I already have one port forwarded and it IS working, and I've used the exact same method to forward a second one, and it doesn't work
15:12<stuckey_>Maybe I could just use the first one for two things? would that work?
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15:12<Titan8990>stuckey_, no
15:12<stuckey_>I must have a shitty router.
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15:13<Titan8990>stuckey_, i didn't know samsung made routers, so i would say so
15:13<stuckey_>I guess I'll just have to turn one server off... then use the other one
15:13<stuckey_>that would work
15:13<Titan8990>stuckey_, did you try scanning the port from a remote location?
15:14<stuckey_>I used the web feature on utorrent
15:14<stuckey_>do you know a better way to scan it?
15:14<Titan8990>uuh, i log in to my VPS and use nmap
15:14<Titan8990>judd, versions utorrent
15:14<judd>Titan8990: utorrent --
15:14<Titan8990>stuckey_, utorrent is a window application
15:14<stuckey_>ah... didn't think of that
15:15<stuckey_>Titan8990: How do I do it with nmap?
15:15<Titan8990>nmap -sS -p# xx.xx.xx.xx
15:15<stuckey_>I meant, I went to utorrent.com and they had a web feature to scan ports. So I don't know if it was the best way.
15:15<Titan8990>where # is the port number
15:16<stuckey_>how do I get my ip?
15:16<Titan8990>whatismyip.com
15:16<HardwareFreak>Titan8990: got the SATA card/drive working after compiling the new kernel with "SCSI Disk" enabled. Thanks for steering me in the right direction, even if by accident :)
15:16<stuckey_>Unfortunately my VPS doesn't have nmap...
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15:17<Titan8990>HardwareFreak, hehe, anytime
15:17<Titan8990>stuckey_, install it?
15:17<pendrachken>Any X devs around here?
15:17<Titan8990>!install it
15:17<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
15:17<Titan8990>!anyone
15:17<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
15:18<stuckey_>Titan8990: I can't install stuff on it.
15:18<Titan8990>stuckey_, then its not a VPS, its a shell account
15:18<stuckey_>Yeah it is a shell account actually
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15:19<pendrachken>Titan8990: Yeah, because EVERYONE will know the answer to an obscure question that pretty much ONLY the devs would know :-P
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15:20<Titan8990>pendrachken, well, the devs use mailing lists, not IRC
15:20<stuckey_>Yes, only the devs would know the answer to a question which only the devs would know.
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15:20<Titan8990>there are some dev channels, but they are mostly private
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15:20<stuckey_>:)
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15:21<stuckey_>Is there another way I could scan the ports?
15:21<pendrachken>That is why I was asking if any where hanging out in this channel :-P
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15:24<Titan8990>stuckey_, is there a server application listening on that port?
15:24<stuckey_>Titan8990: Not right now
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15:25<stuckey_>It's a game that just launches... then listens, then I presume it turns off again
15:25<stuckey_>It waits for poeple to connect, for just a few seconds I presume
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15:26<Titan8990>stuckey_, ask ##networking on irc.freenode.net
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15:30<stuckey_>Doesn't seem to be anyone present...
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15:30<stuckey_>There isn't anyone on #linux on freenode, I thought that was strange.
15:31<adb>there are 846 pps
15:31<adb>ppl*
15:31<stuckey_>I see 1, my self
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15:32<Gabo>hola
15:33<adb> try ##linux
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15:38<michele>ciao a tutti
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15:39<michele>qualcuno puo' aiutarmi ?
15:39<adb>!it
15:39<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
15:39<michele>grazie
15:40<damiank>hi
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15:48<Gabo>somebody can help with exim4 config
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15:48<Gabo>?
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15:54<Gabo>Hello , can somebody help me to configure exim4 mail server
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15:55<dr|z3d>Gabo: aptitude install exim4-doc-html
15:55<dr|z3d>That's your first move.
15:55<Gabo>ok
15:56<dr|z3d>Or the manual in another format.. whichever suits. There are several varieties.
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15:58<Gabo>dr|z3d, is posible have a mail server with debian lenny exim4 and static ip address from ISP to bring email service on a local network
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15:59<shinran666>i need to figure out how to burn and install fedora 12 from a disk i am trying to creat
15:59<shinran666>create
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16:00<shinran666>is fedora supported here?
16:00<Gabo>?????????
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16:01<[[[-ArGuZ-]]]>ff
16:01<Meise>:D :D :D
16:01<[[[-ArGuZ-]]]>que idioma hablan aca
16:01<[[[-ArGuZ-]]]>spañol
16:01<[[[-ArGuZ-]]]>ingles
16:01<[[[-ArGuZ-]]]>frances
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16:01<[[[-ArGuZ-]]]>q
16:02<adb>ingles..
16:02<[[[-ArGuZ-]]]>ok
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16:03<Gabo>hola
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16:04<Gabo>[[[-ArGuZ-]]], pv
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16:05<dr|z3d>!es
16:05<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:05<dr|z3d>!fr
16:05<EagleRock>!tell [[[-ArGuZ-]]] about debian-es
16:05<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
16:05<dr|z3d>English we welcome here.
16:05<EagleRock>dr|z3d: wow, you beat me to it by a split second :-)
16:06<dr|z3d>EagleRock: And for my next trick, I'll be beating to you within an inch of your life. :)
16:07*EagleRock runs into the corner scared
16:08<dr|z3d>Gabo: Yes. Exim should be able to pull your remote mail and serve it locally. Check those docs you just downloaded. :)
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16:15<[[[-ArGuZ-]]]>uu
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17:38<Nazcafan>what package should I install to get the "unzip" option on nautilus?
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17:54<stuckey>Hello
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17:55<stuckey>I have a server that runs debian, but it has etch. I want to upgrade it to something more recent, but I wasn't sure if I should since I noticed that it has a bunch of non standard entries in /etc/apt/sources.list... and I thought they might have some sort of special configuration. It's a VPS. Anyone have any thought on this?
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17:59<stuckey>I'll just change all the stuff in the sources.list file to standard entries with lenny and try it
17:59<HardwareFreak>stuckey: do you have permission from your VPS provider to do a distro upgrade? Before even looking at the technical hurdles, this question must be answered.
17:59<stuckey>HardwareFreak: well they gave me root
18:00<brbrbr>like "apt-get dist-uprgade" ?
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18:00<stuckey>I think it's full-upgrade now?
18:00<stuckey>!dist upgrade
18:00<stuckey>!dist-upgrade
18:00<dpkg>dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; in lenny, aptitude calls dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. Also see <why not dist-upgrade> <sarge->etch> <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze> <full-upgrade>
18:00<HardwareFreak>stuckey: my folks gave me the car keys in high school, and never told me to race with it. Ya think they wanted me doing that? Hell NO!@
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18:01<stuckey>HardwareFreak: well they can't expect me to use etch...it's old
18:01<brbrbr>why not ?
18:01<brbrbr>its old, but STABLE
18:01<stuckey>I need newer packages man... I need it
18:01<HardwareFreak>stuckey: it's still supported
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18:01<brbrbr>if its not point, try sid instead ;)
18:01<stuckey>Yeah I was going to use sid
18:01<stuckey>since the packages I want are in sid :)
18:01<HardwareFreak>what packages?
18:02<stuckey>spring
18:02<brbrbr>bright point in that case - you help testing it :)
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18:03<stuckey>judd: versions spring
18:03<judd>stuckey: spring --
18:03*HardwareFreak twiddles his thumbs whilst waiting for 28GB to cp -a to a new disk... old disk hdparms at only 7MB/s
18:05<stuckey>So you think it would be bad if I changed the sources.list to just standard sources and then upgraded?
18:05<stuckey>hmmm no harm in trying I suppose, I haven't hosed anything in a while.
18:05*HardwareFreak eagerly anticipates getting everything migrated to the new disk, which hdparms at 50MB/s
18:05<HardwareFreak>78 MB/s --direct
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18:11<stuckey>Looks like it will work
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18:14<stuckey>http://paste.debian.net/53527/ <--- got an error when trying to install something
18:15<stuckey>Eh, I keep getting this: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org sid/updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_sid_updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
18:15<stuckey>When I try aptitude update
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18:16<themill>stuckey: there's no security support for sid. If you don't know that, you should ask yourself whether you should be running sid.
18:16<stuckey>Oh.. so I guess I don't need security in the apt sources
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18:18<stuckey>http://paste.debian.net/53528/ <--- so I'm getting this error now
18:18<stuckey>It does it when I try to upgrade
18:18<stuckey>That's why I was getting the other one, because it didn't actually upgrade.
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18:19<themill>stuckey: upgrading from etch to sid is not supported.
18:20<stuckey>so I go to lenny?
18:20<themill>and then stay there.
18:21<stuckey>:)
18:21<stuckey>But I need spring... and it's in Sid
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18:24<stuckey>themill: hmm... I got an error... it just says at the end that some packages failed to install and it returned (1)
18:24<stuckey>No, A package failed to install, just one.
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18:25<themill>Even _my_ ESP-over-IRC skills can't decode that into something meaningful.
18:25<RichardsDesk>is there a rule what belongs into /var/lib and what into /usr/share?
18:27<stuckey>themill: http://paste.debian.net/53529/ does that help?
18:27<themill>RichardsDesk: the FHS describes that. /msg dpkg fhs
18:27<br4z3r>Hello all , I have the following issue: I installed debian without a network support and now when I plug a internet cable i just doen't get IP or any kind of network configuration, My network is with DHCP support and the sourcelist is valid and correct . the system is Debian lenny stable. I tryed to find a network manager but with dpkg -l I couldn't is it possible that the package is not installed by default and I would like you to advice me for proper actions
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18:28<stuckey>EIRCP... extra internet chat relay perception
18:28<themill>stuckey: remove this "ud" package as it's not in debian past lenny.
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18:29<stuckey>themill: http://paste.debian.net/53531/
18:30<themill>stuckey: what sort of strange box do you have there?
18:31<stuckey>themill: Don't know... I just got it from dreamhost.com
18:31<stuckey>I went with them since they said they have debian
18:31<stuckey>It's a VPS
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18:37<herbenn>hey does anyone know which file in the package list for testing (and unstable) corresponds to the current kernel version being used?
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18:41<stuckey>themill: do you know how I can fix it?
18:42<themill>stuckey: you seem to have a mix of etch and sid there. There's little wonder your machine is unhappy.
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18:42<stuckey>themill: well I didn't know I couldn't go etch-->sid
18:43<stuckey>themill: Is there a fix or am I SOL?
18:44<themill>dpkg: tell stuckey about partial downgrade
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18:44<herbenn>so whats the deal with this new idea for squeeze there theyre going to use a bsd kernel? do you choose which kernel you want at install, what makes this bsd kernel worth using? just curious
18:45<herbenn>also what file in the package list shows the current kernel version?
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18:47<stuckey>themill: I get no packages when I do "~b"
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18:47<CNerone>Hi all, I upgraded lenny2squeeze and I meet troubles... I'm not able to make voip calls (by ekiga) because I get "could not contact remote server"
18:48<CNerone>And, in consol, I get some stranger msg talking about NFS troubles
18:48<themill>stuckey: then you haven't done the previous steps correctly. You need to at least downgrade sysvinit or sysv-rc and quite probably libc6.
18:48<CNerone>NFS don't start, "RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection reset by peer"
18:49<CNerone>can anyone suggest me a solution? I look for it in internet but I found nothing
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18:49<stuckey>themill: I don't know what "the upgarded packages" refers to.
18:50<themill>the packages you just upgraded to the sid versions...
18:50<CNerone>A strange thing happens: I'm able to make voip call to PC connected to my lan... no call "extra lan"
18:51<stuckey>themill: Well, wouldn't that take quite a while to figure out which ones were?
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18:51<stuckey>themill: it might just be easier to reset the whole system?
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18:52<themill>it might well, yes.
18:52<stuckey>i'll just reset it
18:52<stuckey>Thanks though
18:52<stuckey>Now I know at least what I did wrong
18:52<themill>try not to break it next time...
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18:53<stuckey>I hadn't hosed anything in a while
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18:54<CNerone>ok, I'll try again tomorrow evening to solve my problems... it's 1 a.m. and I'm going to sleep...
18:54<CNerone>good night all
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18:54<retroj>hello. i have a bit of a funny situation. due to having a slow, unreliable internet connection, I almost never do an "aptitude safe-upgrade". What I do instead is see what safe-upgrade wants to install, then I install a few packages at a time with "aptitude install". This method will lead to the majority of packages on my system being marked as manually installed instead of automatic. Will this cause problems with dependenc
18:54<retroj>resolution in the future? Is there something I can do to avoid having all these incidental packages marked as manual?
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18:57<themill>retroj: why not just "aptitude safe-upgrade" but tell aptitude to not upgrade some of the packages at that time by typing ":package1 package2 package3" and the [Y/n/q/?] prompt?
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18:59<retroj>themill: it gets unweildy when there are a lot of packages to download
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18:59<themill>retroj: are you tracking stable or testing here?
18:59<retroj>themill: testing
19:00<themill>ahh... see that's not such a great thing to do if you have a crappy internet connection like that
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19:00<themill>What's the advantage in doing only a few packages at a time? aptitude can retry packages if they fail to download
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19:01<retroj>themill: if i let safe-upgrade run completely, i think it would only install things after it had downloaded everything. that would take days of continuous downloading for me, if there are hundreds of megabytes
19:02<magyar_>which hypervisor would perform best with lenny?
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19:05<retroj>maybe i'll write a wrapper script to preserve the "automatic" flag for aptitude install
19:06<themill>retroj: "aptitude install packagename+M" will do that for you straight away.
19:07<stuckey>themill: could I backport a package from sid into lenny?
19:07<stuckey>I think I've done this before but I'm not exactly sure how
19:07<retroj>themill: iiuc, +M marks the package as automatic. i want to preserve whatever flag was there.
19:07<pathcl>anyone playing around haproxy?. I still have this doubt if the haproxy process die, how can I manage to heartbeat goes to the next haproxy and keeps the connection.
19:07<themill>stuckey: frequently but not always. /msg dpkg ssb
19:08<themill>retroj: fair enough, yes.
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19:08<retroj>themill: also, using those flags inhibits my ability to copy and paste lists of packages onto the command line :)
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19:10<themill>retroj: you could "aptitude markauto packagelist".... or something like: aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i~M' > autolist ; aptitude install foopackages ; xargs aptitude markauto <autolist
19:10<themill>retroj: but I'm not really sure that I understand how any of this saves you any downloading....
19:11<retroj>themill: in layman's terms, what does that long command line do?
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19:12<retroj>themill: in particular, that search command
19:12<themill>retroj: ~i is installed packages, ~M is automatically installed packages, so the first command saves the list of automatically installed packages fro you. xargs runs the following command with everything that's in its stdin as command line args.
19:13<themill>retroj: -F '%100p' is just a format string so that aptitude just prints the package name
19:13<retroj>themill: ah, that's very helpful. thank you
19:13<themill>retroj: /msg dpkg aptitude search ; /msg dpkg aptitude docs
19:13<retroj>k
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19:17<retroj>themill: many thanks. I think I can use this to make a better upgrade procedure than I am currently using.
19:17<themill>have fun!
19:17<retroj>:)
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19:19<stuckey>themill: it says it can't find package spring
19:19<stuckey>I added deb-src in sources list for sid, where spring is
19:20<themill>dpkg: tell stuckey about search
19:21<stuckey>It wouldn't show up in apt if I just had a source line though, would it?
19:21<themill>packages.debian.org will still work though
19:22<stuckey>Well I know it is in sid, since I installed it on a machine with sid a few days ago
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19:24<stuckey>hmm... now I only see springlobby, maybe it was removed?
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19:28<yfk>is it safe to install ies4linux even though google blacklisted the webpage?
19:29<bighornram>Does anyone know a workaround to fix file encryption (seahorse)?
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19:32<stuckey>judd: verisons springlobby
19:32<judd>stuckey: Error: "verisons" is not a valid command.
19:32<stuckey>judd: versions springlobby
19:32<judd>stuckey: springlobby -- sid: 0.40-1
19:32<stuckey>judd: versions spring
19:32<judd>stuckey: spring --
19:33<stuckey>How can I install something on lenny that is currently packaged for sid and is uploaded to mentors?
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19:35<jpinx-eeepc>!tell stuckey about ssb
19:36<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: it's not in sid...
19:36<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: it's on mentors
19:36<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: wtf is mentors? Is that ubuntu?
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19:36<stuckey>deb-src http://mentors.debian.net/debian unstable main
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19:37<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: nfc - but if it was me I'd follow teh ssb procedure and substitue mentos for sid
19:38<jpinx-eeepc>yfk: probably not - google dont blacklist for now reason...
19:38<stuckey>E: Build-Depends dependency for spring cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements
19:38<jpinx-eeepc>*no
19:38<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: doing that gives me that error
19:38<themill>stuckey: so what version of debhelper does it want?
19:39<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: then you're beyond my knowledge/experience
19:39<stuckey>themill: hmm... i don't know? which one does it want?
19:40<themill>You're capable of reading debian/control
19:40<stuckey>themill: yeah but I don't know how to get debian/control
19:40<stuckey>where is this?
19:40<themill>it's in the source package. How would you get that do you think?
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19:41<stuckey>apt-get -b source spring
19:41<stuckey>but then where do I go to look at it?
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19:45<retrospectacus>stuckey: .
19:45<stuckey>retrospectacus: yes
19:46<retrospectacus>that's where!
19:46<dave--->Hey guys, anyone alive to give me a hand with mounting my NTFS partitions? My file browser sees the partitions and even has the correct labels, but it says Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume. I've tried from the command line also and it tells me i have the wrong FS, but I know it is NTFS
19:46<stuckey>oh
19:47<retrospectacus>dave---: ask dpkg about ntfs - he knows all about it
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19:47<stuckey>retrospectacus: Well unfortunately apt-get -b source spring failed, since the build dependencies aren't satisfied since debhelper isn't the right version, so I can't look at the source to see which version of debhelper it needs.
19:49<retrospectacus>I don't know about that...
19:49<themill>stuckey: what do you think the "-b" does in that command?
19:49<stuckey>apt-get build-dep spring = fail, debhelper isn't the right version
19:49<stuckey>it builds
19:50<stuckey>themill: thanks
19:50<stuckey>Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7.0.50~),
19:50<stuckey>judd: versions debhelper
19:50<judd>stuckey: debhelper -- etch: 5.0.42 etch-backports: 7.0.15~bpo40+2 lenny: 7.0.15 sid: 7.0.17 experimental: 7.1.1 lenny-backports: 7.2.6~bpo50+1 squeeze: 7.4.3 sid: 7.4.9
19:51<stuckey>What should I do?
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19:51<themill>some combination of reading and thinking would be better. Prechewing everything is starting to get boring.
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19:54<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: backport it?
19:54<stuckey>!backports
19:54<dpkg>somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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19:54*jpinx-eeepc feels like the blind leading the blind
19:54<HardwareFreak>I've installed a new HD and am migrating everything over using cp-a. However, there are some things that should not be copied, and others, such as links, that won't work when just cp'd, for instance: vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31.1
19:54<stuckey>what's the deb entry for the lenny backports... I could use that
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19:55<HardwareFreak>I've got partitions created on the new disk. But, what will become / on the new disk is currently mounted as /newroot/
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19:56<damiank>stuckey: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free
19:57<themill>bad damiank! no spoon feeding!
19:57<damiank>?
19:57<stuckey>No candidate version found for debhelper
19:57<damiank>whats spoon feeding? sorry i dont understand english too much
19:57<HardwareFreak>so, my question is, how to links actually work at the low level? If I do a 'link /newboot/vmlinuz-2.6.31.1 /newroot/vmlinuz' will that work when I attempt booting off the new disk. If not, should I just put the real path to vmlinuz-2.6.31.1 in lilo.conf before I run LILO?
19:58<stuckey>I did sudo aptitude -t lenny-backports install debhelper
19:58<stuckey>didn't work
19:58<themill>stuckey: fix your sources.list
19:58<stuckey>themill: already did that
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19:58<stuckey>deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free
19:58<stuckey>that's what I got
19:58<themill>damiank: spoon feeding is when you give the answer rather than telling people where to find the answer for themselves
19:58<damiank>oh
19:58-!-afurlan [~afurlan@189.34.72.40] has joined #debian
19:59<damiank>i though the idea of this channel was to help others
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19:59<damiank>and to give answers sorry
19:59*jpinx-eeepc hands themill a shovel
19:59<stuckey>damiank: it is, but I'm habitually in need of assistance
19:59<themill>damiank: it's better to help people help themselves
19:59<stuckey>Therefore, it's better that I start learning how to help myself, rather than rely on others.
20:00<themill>stuckey: "aptitude update"? And I presume that means you're missing a main mirror too.
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20:00<dr|z3d>We like to provide rods to fish with here, not tinned tuna. :)
20:00<stuckey>themill: http://paste.debian.net/53535/
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20:01<jpinx-eeepc>dr|z3d: nice analogy :)
20:01*dr|z3d smiles.
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20:02*jpinx-eeepc drags out al the old tuna jokes
20:05<stuckey>That's my sources file:
20:05<stuckey>anything wrong with it?
20:05<damiank>themill: i agree on that, but sometimes people needs quick answers
20:05<stuckey>http://paste.debian.net/53535/
20:05<damiank>anyway i have to go now
20:05<damiank>cya all later
20:05<stuckey>ciao
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20:11<stuckey>I don't see what I'm doing wrong here
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20:14<stuckey>I've followed the instructions for backports
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20:15<stuckey>and it just says: No candidate version found for debhelper
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20:16<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: pastebin the revised sources.list
20:16<stuckey>http://paste.debian.net/53535/
20:16<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: "
20:16<jpinx-eeepc>is that the one you have with backports?
20:17<stuckey>yes
20:18<jpinx-eeepc>I don't see any security listed there
20:19<stuckey>what do I need to add?
20:19<jpinx-eeepc>lines to include security
20:19<stuckey>what do they look like?
20:20<jpinx-eeepc>similar to the ones there, ut referencing security
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20:20<jpinx-eeepc>*but
20:20<stuckey>no one knows this
20:20<craigevil>deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free
20:20<stuckey>ah
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20:20<jpinx-eeepc>craigevil: *Please* don't spoon-feed
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20:21<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: there's no where I know to find what a security line in apt should look like.
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20:21<stuckey>That information is hard to find, I've looked for it before.
20:21<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: google sample apt sources.list
20:22<stuckey>But anyway that didn't fix my problem
20:22<jpinx-eeepc>what was your problem?
20:22<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: debhelper wont' install from backports
20:22<stuckey>No candidate version found for debhelper
20:22<stuckey>that's what it says
20:23<stuckey>aptitude -t lenny-backports install debhelper
20:23<stuckey>gives me that shit
20:23<jpinx-eeepc>judd: versions debhelper
20:23<judd>jpinx-eeepc: debhelper -- etch: 5.0.42 etch-backports: 7.0.15~bpo40+2 lenny: 7.0.15 sid: 7.0.17 experimental: 7.1.1 lenny-backports: 7.2.6~bpo50+1 squeeze: 7.4.3 sid: 7.4.9
20:23<stuckey>how the hell am I supposed to get this damn debhelper so I can install the packages i want!
20:23*stuckey throws something at the wall
20:23<jpinx-eeepc>well - it's in there - so you are doing something wrong
20:23<stuckey>no i'm not
20:23<stuckey>i'm following all of the instructions correctly
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20:24<jpinx-eeepc>what instructions?
20:24<stuckey>http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions
20:24<stuckey>those
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20:26<jpinx-eeepc>ok - and where do you get to?
20:26<stuckey>I'm sorry?
20:26<stuckey>I finnished the instructions
20:26<stuckey>and it doesn't install when I try to install it
20:26<stuckey>so there's something broken somewhere
20:26<stuckey>No candidate version found for debhelper
20:26<stuckey>Did you read that? No candidate version found for debhelper
20:27<jpinx-eeepc>did you update?
20:27<stuckey>YES
20:28<stuckey>I should just upgrade to sid... it would be so much easier
20:28<stuckey>WHY does everyone always tell me to use lenny? I've been sitting here fucking with this for three hours
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20:28<stuckey>I could have had sid going in fifteen minutes... my packages installed and working by now
20:30<stuckey>Hello?
20:32<HardwareFreak>do links traverse mount points? Another words, if I create a link /newroot/vmlinuz -> /newboot/vmlinuz-2.6.31.1 and then reboot, with fstab mounting the previous /newroot as / and the previous /newboot as /boot, will the link I created before rebooting still be intact? In other words, are links tied to file system paths, or file system/device lodations?
20:32<stuckey>locations
20:32<stuckey>if it's a hardlink
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20:33<stuckey>Are backports totally worthless or?
20:33<HardwareFreak>so hard links don't care about relative mount points?
20:33<kooll>HardwareFreak: symbolic links containes a path, and as such 'traverse mountpoints' (or rather, points to whatever is the path they contain). hardlinks work only inside a single partition, and are two names for the same file.
20:34<jpinx-eeepc>!backports
20:34<dpkg>backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
20:34<stuckey>Does anyone here, know, how I can install a NEWER versino of debhelper
20:34<stuckey>please
20:34<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: pastebin your error
20:34<stuckey>Or do you all just use sid?
20:35<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: pay attention
20:35<stuckey>I've posted it twice
20:35<stuckey>I think no one knows... since everyone here really uses sid.
20:35*jpinx-eeepc uses lenny with backports
20:35*stuckey doesn't believe it.
20:35*jpinx-eeepc *shrugs*
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20:36<stuckey>I'm moving it to sid.
20:36<dondelelcaro>stuckey: show us the output of apt-cache policy; and apt-cache policy debhelper;
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20:36<dondelelcaro>that should clue you in immediately to the problem.
20:37<scc>mmmm
20:37<scc>help!!!!!!!!!
20:37<scc>i'm having problems with GRUB
20:37<stuckey>http://paste.debian.net/53536/
20:37<HardwareFreak>kooll: thanks. So if do "link /newboot/vmlinuz-2.6.31.1 /newroot/vmliuz" I'll be ok when I mount /newboot and /newroot as /boot and / after I reboot the system and change the controller BIOS to boot from the new SATA disk, and disable booting from IDE?
20:38<scc>someone out there....plz! :(
20:38<stuckey>dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/53537/ <-- apt-cache policy debhelper
20:38<stuckey>scc: what's your problem?
20:38<scc>i have been trying on the last two days trying to install debian on an old server
20:39<scc>i'm kind of newbie on linux
20:39<scc>so i'm stuck on the GRUB phase
20:40<damiank>hi im back
20:40<scc>i got a message stating **!! Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk**
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20:40<stuckey>dondelelcaro: do you see what's wrong?
20:40<HardwareFreak>kooll: wait. oops. According to what you said about hard links only within a partition, my /boot and / are on different partitions. So, given my current config on the IDE disk, I'm using two different partitions for /boot and /. So, what kind of link is /vmlinuz which points to a file on another partition??
20:41<HardwareFreak>kooll: or would I be better off just using the actual file in lilo instead of fucking with links at all?
20:41<amphi>HardwareFreak: a symbolic link
20:42<scc>a need a GRUB expert here...is there somebody with this knoweldge???
20:42<HardwareFreak>amphi: so how do I create the appropriate symbolic link that I need here?
20:43<scc>mmmm ok...that's ok...i will wait..i'll be online cause i need to keep running this server for tomorrow
20:43<amphi>HardwareFreak: ln -s
20:43<amphi>scc: what does 'cat /boot/grub/device.map' say?
20:45<HardwareFreak>amphi: will symbolic links survive changing mount points, and thus pathnames?
20:45<scc>amphi thank u for your collaboration!! well let me tell you that i'm on the graphical installation menu
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20:46<scc>do i have to reboot the system without installing the boot loader???
20:46<stuckey>Anyone see what's wrong with my apt-cache policy?
20:47<amphi>HardwareFreak: no
20:47<amphi>scc: you want to install grub to the mbr
20:47<HardwareFreak>amphi: do any links survive mount point changes?
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20:48<scc>amphi: yes my friend but it fails...i try ton install the LILO or GRUB but both failed to install
20:48<dondelelcaro>stuckey: according to that, you have a version available. what's the exact error you get from aptitude install debhelper?
20:49<amphi>HardwareFreak: only symlinks can be created across filesystem boundaries, not hardlinks
20:49<scc>and if i choose the "continue without boot loader" option on the main menu at the time of rebooting it comes with Grub prompt
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20:49<scc>rescue grub prompt
20:49<scc>to be more specific
20:50<HardwareFreak>amphi: sorry to keep picking on ya. You seem to know your stuff. Can I use "image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31.1" in lilo.conf instead of using the symlink /vmlinuz?
20:50<scc>let me tell you that this server had ubuntu server installed
20:50<stuckey>02:18 < stuckey> No candidate version found for debhelper
20:50<stuckey>02:18 < stuckey> No candidate version found for debhelper
20:50<scc>this server has three HD
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20:51<scc>and two of them is on raid 0
20:51<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: why do you have a reference to a pinned package of debhelper?
20:51<scc>the other one is acting as standalone
20:51<dondelelcaro>stuckey: what your showing me in apt-cache policy directly contradicts that.
20:51<scc>i have also tryied to installed on both hdd but it keeps failing
20:51<HardwareFreak>amphi: what I'm doing is migrating _everything_ from my current IDE disk to a new SATA disk, and I need to boot the new disk and throw out the old one when I'm done. I'm just trying to get the new disk to boot the system at this point.
20:51<amphi>HardwareFreak: it's long since I used lilo - try it, and see if lilo barfs when you run it
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20:51<amphi>HardwareFreak: I think it should be ok
20:52<scc>does this problem is related in some way to ubuntu 9.10 grub???
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20:52<HardwareFreak>amphi: once I get it booting correctly I can setup the /vmlinuz ->/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31.1 link again, right?
20:52<stuckey>dondelelcaro: well I gave you apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy debhelper
20:53<amphi>HardwareFreak: right, if you want to
20:53<stuckey>dondelelcaro: what should i do?
20:53<scc>mmmm
20:53<scc>alo??
20:53<HardwareFreak>amphi: right, purely optional to maintain the current familiar method
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20:55<stuckey>Anyone know?
20:55<stuckey>I just need debhelper
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20:55<HardwareFreak>amphi: at the top of lilo.conf I've got a line "lba32". This new 500GB SATA drive is lba48 isn't it? Do I/can I change that lba32 to lba48? I created /dev/sda1 as the first partition at the start of the disk using cfdisk.
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20:56<HardwareFreak>amphi: shouldn't I be ok with "lba32" if /boot is on that first partition?
20:56<amphi>HardwareFreak: I've forgotten such horrors - why not use grub? ;)
20:56<HardwareFreak>amphi: lol loooong story
20:56<Nemoder>lba32 is a lilo option, there is no lba48 for it, check the manpage
20:56<stuckey>Should I just upgrade to sid?
20:57<HardwareFreak>amphi: it _might_ be possible to switch to grub, but the Lenny release notes told me that in my case it could be disastrous to switch to grub
20:57<amphi>HardwareFreak: but now I look, my disk is lba48
20:57<amphi>ah - a word that carries conviction, 'disastrous'
20:58<HardwareFreak>Nemoder: Can I boot a 500GB disk with lilo?
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20:58<stuckey>Can anyone help me install debhelper?
20:59<Nemoder>HardwareFreak: probably, but it all depends on your bios
20:59<HardwareFreak>Nemoder: more specifically?
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21:00<HardwareFreak>Nemoder: the BIOS is on an outboard PCI SATA card, brand new. Based on SiI3512 chip.
21:00<Nemoder>I don't know the details, but either your bios supports it or it doesnt
21:00<stuckey>no one knows
21:00<HardwareFreak>Nemoder: i was more worried about lilo actually, seeing that lba32 in there, and knowing this disk uses lba48
21:00<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: what's difficult about installing debhelper with aptitude and the appropriate options?
21:01<stuckey>there's absolutely no point to not using sid, if you nee dnewer packages
21:01<stuckey>jpinx-eeepc: I need newer packages, so I'm going to use sid.
21:01<HardwareFreak>Nemoder: I've got the drive running and have partitioned up about 40GB worth of it. So, the drivers see it all and work with it. Will lilo?
21:01<jpinx-eeepc>!sid
21:01<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
21:01<Nemoder>HardwareFreak: try it and see?
21:01<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: ^^
21:02<HardwareFreak>Nemoder: I'm guessing, one way or another, I'm going to find out lol.
21:02*HardwareFreak smiles :)
21:02<Nemoder>"Use of 'lba32' is recommended on all post-1998 systems." from man lilo.conf
21:03<stuckey>If you need newer packages you should just use sid... unless you're througly familiar with the workings of the packages necessary to maintain a mixed system. But even then, the benefit of this would be negigable.
21:04<jpinx-eeepc>!tell stuckey about sid
21:04<jpinx-eeepc>!tell stuckey about unstable
21:05<stuckey>Anything is libale to break anytime. That's not a good reason not to use something.
21:05<dondelelcaro>stuckey: it looks like youve got something odd in apt-preferences. show us your sources.list, apt.conf, apt_preferences
21:05<stuckey>dondelelcaro: i'm upgrading to sid
21:06<stuckey>so I won't need to deal with backports anymore
21:06<dondelelcaro>stuckey: backports are simple, so I'm not sure what you've done to screw it up, but that's your problem.
21:07<stuckey>No, no it isn't, I'm not using backports.
21:07<dondelelcaro>stuckey: just don't expect my assistance with it
21:07<stuckey>No they're only simple to someone who understands them.
21:07<dondelelcaro>have a nice day/
21:07<stuckey>If you have to spend five hours learning how to use it, then it isn't simple, it's a headache.
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21:07*jpinx-eeepc uses backports with no issues
21:07<dondelelcaro>uh... if it takes you more that 2 minutes, you've done something really wrong.
21:08<stuckey>I followed the directions on the website, and it DID NOT work.
21:08<jpinx-eeepc>it works for me
21:08<stuckey>I checked it twice, and I posted it here, and you all saw it. I gave you the error, and no one knew it.
21:09<stuckey>I've spent three hours screwing with this shit when I could have just installed sid and have been done with it.
21:09<dondelelcaro>stuckey: the error is that you've pinned away that version or similar.
21:09<dondelelcaro>st
21:09<stuckey>it said it didn't have an installation candidate
21:09<jpinx-eeepc>I told him that
21:09<stuckey>"pinned away", I'm not familiar with this phrase.
21:10<dondelelcaro>stuckey: yes, becasuse it's not a candidate unless you install it specifically causw that version is at priority 999
21:10<stuckey>I did what I was told, and it didn't work. It's that simple.
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21:10<stuckey>There aren't hardly any packages in backports anyway. You have to make them all yourself.
21:10<stuckey>The repo is then for the most part useless
21:10<abrotman>or maybe just not the ones you use ...
21:11*jpinx-eeepc uses a lot of backports
21:12<dondelelcaro>I have many servers using it... and packages that aren't there end up there when I upload them...
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21:13<scc>eyy
21:13<scc>where is amphi??????
21:13<scc>amphiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii??????????????????
21:13<amphi>HardwareFreak: lba32 likely won't 'see' all the disk, but with any luck enough
21:13<scc>where are uuuuuuuuuu/????
21:13<dondelelcaro>scc: stop
21:13<scc>ok
21:13<scc>sure
21:13<stuckey>http://paste.debian.net/53539/ <--- anyone know what this is all about?
21:14<amphi>scc: I know nothing about raid
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21:14<scc>mmm ok
21:14<scc>thanks my friend
21:14<scc>anyone else?
21:14<HardwareFreak>amphi: well, I told cfdisk to create the /boot partition at the "beginning" of the disk. Wouldn't this be below the 1024 cylinder mark?
21:15<amphi>should be fine; and lba32 isn't constrained to that if I recall correctly
21:15<HardwareFreak>amphi: also, man lilo.conf says the lba32 uses the "packet" method, and should be able to boot just about any disk over 1024 cylinders, which is good news.
21:16<dondelelcaro>stuckey: welcome to side to sid. enjoy your stay.
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21:16<knoppix_>ghjk
21:16<dondelelcaro>!force overwrite
21:16<dpkg>The reason you have been told to use --force-overwrite is because some packages in unstable are buggy and either have missing Conflicts: or contain files that they shouldn't. Check the BTS and make sure that a bug has been filed about the package in question (ask me about <bts>) then run dpkg -i --force-overwrite /path/to/.deb or apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <foopackagename>;
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21:17<stuckey>oh jesus h christ
21:17<stuckey>is there no way to make this thing work!?
21:17<dondelelcaro>stuckey: see above, and most likely you're skiping a release or something similar. I can't be bothered to figure out exaclt what on my phone, tough.
21:17<stuckey>backports don't work
21:17<stuckey>sid doesn't work
21:17<stuckey>i'm out of fucking options here
21:17<abrotman>use another distro more suited to your requirements perhaps?
21:17<amphi>mmm, sid
21:17<dondelelcaro>*shrug*
21:18<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: what have you pinned?
21:18<stuckey>nothing
21:18<craigevil>stuckey: lenny>testing>sid, dont try to upgrade directly to sid
21:18<stuckey>now i've got a broke system that i'm going to have to resset
21:18<jpinx-eeepc>then why are things showing up as pinned?
21:18<stuckey>second time today
21:18*stuckey doesn't know what it means for something to be "pinned."
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21:18<jpinx-eeepc>!pinning
21:18<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
21:18<dondelelcaro>well, good luck.
21:19<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: ^^
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21:22<stuckey>looks like i already hosed it
21:22<jpinx-eeepc>stuckey: maybe you need to get a basic sources list and let aptitude try to sort out your ayatemi
21:23<jpinx-eeepc>*system
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21:24<scc>hello
21:25<scc>any whom can help me with GRUB
21:25<scc>plzzzzzzzzz!
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21:25<scc>GRUB or LILO
21:26<scc>LILO or GRUB
21:26<scc>problems installing GRUB loader
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21:34<bighornram>I want to install seahorse from source, how do I do this since it is installed in the gnome desktop package?
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21:35<abrotman>it still has its own package
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21:36<abrotman>judd: versions seahorse
21:36<judd>abrotman: seahorse -- etch: 0.9.7-1 lenny: 2.22.3-2 sid: 2.28.1-1 squeeze: 2.28.1-1
21:36<bighornram>the current package is broken
21:36<bighornram>I want to try the newest release
21:36<bighornram>judd: they don't work
21:36<judd>bighornram: Error: "they" is not a valid command.
21:36<bighornram>seahorse-plugins doesn't work
21:38<bighornram>the package can't be removed without removing gnome desktop environment. how do you compile from source in that situation?
21:39<bighornram>seahorse 2.29 is released I'd like to try using that.
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21:46<sixtila>is debian good for my Acer pc? or is ubuntu better? in terms of hardware suppot
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21:47<abrotman>sixtila: probably depends on the hardware in the machine
21:48<sixtila>abrotman is debian in any way better than ubuntu?
21:48<sixtila>in terms of the support they have, the download center...
21:48<abrotman>IMO it is
21:49<sixtila>wow
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21:49<sixtila>exciting
21:50<sney`>hardware support will be mostly the same since they both use the linux kernel for that
21:50<sixtila>abrotman how about knoopix?
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21:50<sney`>but debian's user base is larger and older so you will get better support
21:50<sixtila>ok
21:50<abrotman>sixtila: this is #debian .. what do you think we'll say ?
21:50<sixtila>yeah
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21:51<sixtila>i was hoping u would be fair
21:51<sney`>also, debian has an emphasis on stability, so while ubuntu often has newer software, ours is more likely to work all the time
21:51<faheem>sixtila: debian quality control is better. ubuntu is probably a bit more user friendly
21:51<sixtila>umm..
21:51<sney`>but what's user friendliness worth if you can't get decent support when something breaks
21:51<sixtila>yeah
21:52<sixtila>i haven't had my mic figured out yet in ubuntu
21:52<abrotman>so you'd ask #ubuntu on freenode about that
21:52<sney`>some brand new hardware, like the stuff on newer netbooks, is still a work in progress as ffar as the kernel is concerned
21:53<sixtila>could u please tell me what a kernel exactly is?
21:53<abrotman>my netbook works pretty well .. not happy about using a broadcom device, but it does work
21:53<sixtila>do all linux have same kernel?
21:53<sney`>basically yes
21:53<sney`>some have different versions and some add their own code, but it is still fundamentally the same thing
21:54<sixtila>but what is it?
21:54<sixtila>compared to what thing in windows?
21:54<sney`>ntoskrnl.dll
21:54<sney`>it's where the drivers live, among other things
21:55<sney`>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(computing) for a more full explanation
21:55<sixtila>In my DVD drive, can I burn 2 OS and still make it bootable?
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21:56<sney`>what do you mean? 2 installers on the same disk? that's possible but it would be annoying
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21:57<sixtila>like i m one dvd drive
21:57<sixtila>i was hoping if i could put many linuxes in it
21:57<sney`>you're not making sense
21:58<sixtila>One DVD - Burn many linux OS in it - will i be able to boot up the computer with it? and can I say use the same thing to install any OS i want
21:59<sixtila>just hoping to save some cds
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21:59<faheem>sixtila: if you have a rerecordable dvd :-)
22:00<faheem>sequentially
22:00<sney`>you could probably put a bunch of isos on a dvd and do some kind of custom isolinux boot loader, but it would be annoying as hell to get working
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22:01<sixtila>umm.. so i wont do it then if i will have a problem
22:01<sixtila>cause i m novice
22:01<sixtila>i already messed up ubuntu 3 times
22:01<sixtila>had to reinstall it again! omg
22:01<sixtila>lost everything
22:01<sixtila>fool me
22:02<SuperMiguel>so i have an xps 1530, i connected two monitors one using an HDMI cable and the other one using VGA, when i open my nvidia-config it only sees one of the monitors and my laptop monitor... i know i can use both at the same time (tried in windows)
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22:03<git-hi9h>are you trying xrandr to bring up the 2nd monitor?
22:04<SuperMiguel>well im trying to use both monitors at the same time
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22:04<SuperMiguel>i know my video card will only support 2 monitors
22:04<SuperMiguel>so i want to use both external monitors
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22:05<git-hi9h>try using xrandr or urandr
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22:06<SuperMiguel>can you explain how?
22:06<abrotman>grandr ?
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22:06<abrotman>SuperMiguel: xrandr has a nice man page
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22:08<git-hi9h>i am using lxrandr cus i have lxde
22:08<SuperMiguel>how can i even tell if it is seem my other monitor?
22:08<SuperMiguel>im using fluxbox btw
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22:11<SuperMiguel>why doesnt nvidia-settings see the other monitor?
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22:11<Xenguy>3
22:12<git-hi9h>i do not use nvidia, but it has worked with my old ati
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22:12<git-hi9h>with the clone setting
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22:34<Neilrw>Hi there, was wondering if someone could help with memory issues
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22:36<Neilrw>I've just added 3Gig to my 2 Gig of RAM
22:36<snogglethorpe>the more, the better
22:36<Neilrw>but my sys is only showing 3 gig
22:36<Neilrw>using cat /proc/meminfo
22:37<Neilrw>but bios shows all 5
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22:38<faheem>Neilrw: what kernel are you running, and what is your arch?
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22:40<Neilrw>2.6.26-2-686
22:41<abrotman>Neilrw: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-bigmem
22:41<abrotman>then reboot
22:41<Neilrw> thats it?
22:42<Neilrw>brilliant!
22:42<abrotman>would oyu like an elaborate explanation ?
22:42<Neilrw>will it rebuild the kernel on next boot?
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22:43<flaarg>it will install the bigmem kernel, select that in grub on boot and you will be able to access more than 3.someting GB of ram
22:43<Neilrw>thanks guys
22:44<Neilrw>just going to get it now
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22:47<Neilrw>just while its downloading, anyone have issues with CIFs unmounting on shutdown?
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22:51<Neilrw>guess not- rebooting now. thanks for the help guys
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23:03<Web-snake>music must be free www.tryad.org i got it
23:03<HardwareFreak>well this sucks... I got the system booting from the new drive after cp'ing everything over and dragging lilo kicking and screaming into doing his thing on the new disk. However, it gets just past mounting / and then the system hard locks...
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23:06<flaarg>HardwareFreak: you check file permissions on cp?
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23:07<HardwareFreak>flaarg: think I found the problem. It's trying to mount swap on the other drive. But, I removed that swap mount entry from /etc/fstab on the new disk. How do I prevent this "phantom swap mounting"?
23:08<flaarg>if its not in the fstab it should try to mount it
23:08<flaarg>shouldn't
23:08<HardwareFreak>flaarg: yeah, I thought the same thing. Want the paste bin?
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23:09<Neilrw>hey guys
23:09<flaarg>I guess, I normally just copy over my /home partition and reinstall the rest
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23:09<Neilrw>thats me rebooted, gdm failed, updated the nvidia to big mem, and its all good
23:09<Neilrw>so thanks again
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23:12<vdb2>I just built a system with 45 sata disks. They are going to be setup for raid 6 but I just realised a big problem. when a disk fails, how do I know which disk it is? how can I associate /dev/sd* with one of the physical devices?
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23:13<vdb2>/dev/sd* is dynamically assigned it seems
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23:13<flaarg>they are usually in the order they are found by your sata controller, I don't know about raids
23:14<vdb2>yea I know but the problem is I have 4 cards, and 9 5 port backplanes
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23:14<vdb2>so 1 card is running 10 or 15 disks
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23:16<vdb2>is it possible to statically assign a /dev/sdbar designation?
23:17<vdb2>if i could just stop the system from renaming drives after a restart (because even though they are hot swapable, I won't be doing that)
23:17<vdb2>I think I could solve my problem
23:17<flaarg>you would have to use udev rules, and it would kinda defeat the purpose of raid, I think that there are good software for this issue
23:17<vdb2>could you recomend some?
23:17<flaarg>I am not that good on raids but mdadm is the only one I have ever heard of
23:18<vdb2>well mdadm simple builds and manages the raid. I'm not sure how it's going to tell me what disk /dev/sdas is
23:18<HardwareFreak>why is the system trying to mount that old swap entry when I've got it commented out in the new drive's /etc/fstab?
23:19<flaarg>http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/linux-raid
23:19<HardwareFreak>is that info cached somewhere?
23:19<flaarg>I am pretty sure that you don't directly access individual disks from a raid
23:19<vdb2>flaarg, no. but mdadm, or smart will identify the disk as /dev/sdbar
23:20<flaarg>I thought the idea was to eject the bad disk, put a new one in, then reconstruct
23:20<vdb2>once the raid is built you never interact with them
23:20<vdb2>yes it is
23:20<vdb2>it very much is
23:20<vdb2>but that's the problem
23:21<git-hi9h>i dunno nuthin, but dont you think there would be a raid.log possibly
23:21<vdb2>I have 45 disks :P
23:21<vdb2>how can I tell which one of the physical disks died from the log
23:21<flaarg>hmmm good point
23:21<vdb2>I buil a 67TB raid for $8k.
23:22<vdb2>managing it has become a nightmare :/
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23:23<vdb2>s/buil/built
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23:26<flaarg>ok so each drive has a seperate /dev/sd?
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23:38<HardwareFreak>found that little bastard
23:38<flaarg>what was it?
23:38<HardwareFreak>fstab data is chached in /etc/mtab
23:39<HardwareFreak>apparently the kernel builds mtab from fstab, and fstab is just the placekeeper config file
23:39<HardwareFreak>I'm gonna modigy mtab and see if that fixes it. Take a bit...
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23:42<mohan43u_>can someone tell me why nvidia-glx is not installing in squeeze???
23:42<Nemoder>!nvidia squeeze
23:42<dpkg>non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers.
23:42<flaarg>its not set to the current linux version iirc
23:43<jpinx-eeepc>mohan43u_: Squeeze is currently broken afaik
23:44<HardwareFreak>crap. I spoke too soon. Some mounts were in mtab, but now swap. I eliminated the dup entries for the old drive and renamed the new ones. Still can't find where the system is loading that obsolete/removed swap partition
23:44<flaarg>its sad that its easier to just install the headers than use the bin from nvidia, you just have to manually update everytime the kernel updates
23:44<HardwareFreak>but noT swap i meant
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23:50<HardwareFreak>I think I was wrong about it trying to mount the old swap
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23:51<HardwareFreak>I thought that was really really fishy, so I checked the timestamp on dmesg. It's from before the first boot on the new drive. Apparently since the machine is hard locking on boot, dmesg is never getting written, along with anything to syslog. However, fixing up those entries in mtab might help....
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23:52<HardwareFreak>I'm also going to try decabling the old drive. That my help as well.
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