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00:13<fisxoj>hi, can someone tell me where dpkg-divert put my original libGL, when fglrx replaced it?
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00:23<tbielawa>fisxoj: try grepping through "dpkg-divert --list"
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00:23<fisxoj>tbielawa, thanks, I've found them now. Do you know if there's a way I can switch back and forth easily?
00:23<tbielawa>I have no idea :)
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00:28<jmarsden>fisxoj: Script the commands to switch them and run the script as needed. With a test you could probably make a script that toggles between two different diversions, if you wanted to.
00:28<olpcfan>When I first log in, before I start X, my man pages have color (mostly white and cyan). After I start X, my man pages aren't in color, but everything else is ... any ideas? :)
00:29<fisxoj>jmarsden, I just don't know how to juggle the diversions... it divers libgl to a directory, but, then I need to divert back to use the mesa libgl... agh
00:29<fisxoj>I can't think of a clean way to deal with it
00:30<jmarsden>fisxoj: test which one is currently diverted, and run the commands to undivert that one and divert the other...
00:30<fisxoj>jmarsden, that makes sense. Thank you for being smart for me
00:31<jmarsden>You're welcome :)
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00:35<fisxoj>though, actually, I'm not sure dpkg-divert can handle it
00:37<fisxoj>I don't think you can do two different diversions of the same file
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00:45<tbielawa>you'll get a conflict
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00:45<tbielawa>I've experience that misfortune a couple times
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00:46<fisxoj>I wish they each installed to separate place so I could just use symlinks
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00:48<fisxoj>is there some way to swap the diversions?
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01:02<Lehik>Âñåì ïðèâåò!
01:02<Lehik>çäåñü ãîâîðÿò íà ðóññêîì?
01:03<jmarsden>fisxoj: I'm not sure. If diversions don't work for you, could you use the alternatives subsystem instead in some way?
01:03<jmarsden>Lehik: This channel uses English, sorry. I can't tell what language you are speaking.
01:03<fisxoj>jmarsden, I think I can for libgl, because there are symlinks involved, but, for the xorg modules, I'm trying to change what path they load from
01:03<Lehik>ok
01:04<Lehik>bye
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01:05<jmarsden>fisxoj: CAn you create two directory trees and then have the "official" directory (where xorg will look for modules) be a symlink to either one of those two?
01:05<jm_>nvidia-glx uses diversions for libGL
01:05<musca>Lehik: but looks good, every character has some decoration on it
01:06<fisxoj>jmarsden, I'm afraid of screwing up updates thought apt
01:06<jmarsden>Yes, it probably would do that. Pin the packages concerned, and undo your trickery before updating the packages concerned??
01:09<fisxoj>jmarsden, trying for something that means less hassle in the future
01:10<jmarsden>fisxoj: That's easy: just don't use two conflicting packages, pick just one -- bingo, less hassle :)
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01:11<fisxoj>but then I need to choose between a laptop that can play games, and one that has awesome battery life! This is linux! Everything is possible!
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01:18<fisxoj>alright, let's see if this works
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01:46<bodi>is anyine on still
01:46<bodi>need help
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02:49<jackcrombie>Hi everyone, can anyone help me reconfiguring the default resolution of my monitor. It tries to use a frequency out of my displays range
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02:50<jm_>nope, not anyone can
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02:52<jackcrombie>as far as configuring x I'm lost, i'd really just appreciate some pointers in the right direction.
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02:53<jm_>you'll need to write xorg.conf by hand these days
02:55<jackcrombie>-/etc/???
02:56<Tenguch> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
02:56<jackcrombie>thanks
02:56<jm_>http://paste.debian.net/53712/ as an example
02:56<Tenguch>but nowadays xorg uses hal for his configuration. it's done on the fly.
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02:56<Tenguch>[with the good and bad aspect of this thing]
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03:50<wuolfit>ciao a tutti
03:52<babilen>ciao
03:52<babilen>!it
03:52<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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04:03<sam_>can any one tell me how i work with open port
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04:05<babilen>sam_: what do you mean?
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04:08<babilen>!wayttd sam_
04:08<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, sam_?
04:09<StarkD>http://packages.debian.org/lenny/lomoco <-- where can I read which mouses that are supported?
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04:12<sam_>i just wana to know how some one ,use this technology
04:12<sam_>dpkg
04:12<dpkg>sam_: i haven't a clue
04:12<sam_>see my rply
04:12<cahoot>sam_: FYI dpkg is a bot
04:13<wuolfit>hi
04:13<babilen>sam_: what 'technology' do you mean? Ports are usually opened by programs that communicate over them (a webserver listen on port 80 for example) and are open unless blocked with a firewall
04:14<wuolfit>I have a problem you could help me please?
04:14<cahoot>!ask
04:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
04:14<jm_>StarkD: try #lomoco @ irc.freenode.net
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04:15<sam_>babilen i know that but how people sniff through open port
04:15<StarkD>jm_: no reply. they seem to be sleeping
04:15<jm_>StarkD: then read source code I guess
04:15<wuolfit>ok dpkg tanks
04:16<wuolfit>i use debian lenny
04:16<babilen>sam_: I am taking a wild guess here, but 'wireshark' and/or 'tcpdump' might be what you are looking for ...
04:16<wuolfit>in a a laptop with an Atheros wireless card, but while installing the drivers can not make it work
04:16<babilen>sam_: Is there a problem you want to solve actually, or are you just curious?
04:16<wuolfit>why ?
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04:17<jm_>wuolfit: which atheros card?
04:17<babilen>wuolfit: It might help if you can paste the output of 'lspci -nn' somewhere
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04:18<wuolfit>this is the output 05:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter [168c:001c] (rev 01)
04:19<babilen>judd: pciid 168c:001c
04:19<judd>babilen: [168c:001c] is 'AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:001c http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k
04:19<sam_>if you wana solve a problem then tell me .. i have a dhcp server installed on my ubuntu-9.04 desktop computer but when ever i tried to boot from my laptop its just tell me that no boot file found....rply plz
04:19<sam_>babilen.... rply plz
04:19<jm_>!ar2425
04:19<dpkg>The Atheros AR2425/AR5007* PCI-E wireless LAN chipset is supported by the mainline <ath5k> driver since Linux 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bpo> to install a later kernel image package. For support of the Atheros AR5007UG USB chipset (formerly Zydas ZD1211), ask me about <zd1211rw>.
04:19<babilen>!ath5k
04:19<dpkg>[ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. For AR5007* devices, ask me about <ar2425>. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. See also <backports.org>, <wireless tree>.
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04:19<wuolfit>but with the comand iwlist scan I can't see the wireless network
04:20<babilen>wuolfit: which kernel version do you use?
04:20<wuolfit>ok thank's
04:20<wuolfit>2.6.24
04:20<jm_>read the wiki docs for how to enable it
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04:22<babilen>!tell wuolfit -about bpo
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04:22<StarkD>jm_: how do I read the soure code?
04:22<babilen>wuolfit: You will need a newer kernel, like the one in backports. IIRC
04:23<babilen>StarkD: which source code?
04:23<jmm>StarkD: using his eyes :)
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04:23<jmm>s/his/yours/g :)
04:23<StarkD>babilen: for lomoco. I need to know which mouse to buy
04:23<StarkD>jmm: hehe
04:23<jm_>StarkD: https://dev.lomoco.org/ has git repository listed and it's brosable in browser too
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04:23<sam_>hey babilen where is my ans
04:23<sam_>plz rply me
04:24<babilen>StarkD: 'apt-get source lomoco' ... 'cd lomoco-xxxxx' ... 'vim whatever.[c,pl,sh,py,erl,hs,...]'
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04:24<StarkD>babilen: I'll try it out
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04:25<babilen>StarkD: You will have to enable the source repositories in your sources list (basically the deb ... line repeated with deb-src)
04:26<StarkD>babilen: OK
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04:26<StarkD>jm_: OK I'll google about handling GIT then
04:26<wuolfit>ok tank's and bye for now
04:26<babilen>sam_: Honestly, I am not sure what you are asking about. Are you referring to promiscuous mode?
04:26<babilen>wuolfit: good luck!
04:26<jm_>StarkD: git clone git://... - it's listed there - but this might be newer than what's available in debian, so for most updated stuff this is fine, but might not match what you'll get
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04:27<wuolfit>tanks
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04:36<xuzhao>www.baidu.com
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05:08<kilelme>hi amphi
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05:08<kilelme>my debian now working fine
05:08<kilelme>hehehe
05:08<kilelme>now i use squeeze
05:09<kilelme>but some aplication have gone
05:09<kilelme>hmm
05:11<kilelme>anyone know why debian.beryl-project.org is forbidden
05:14<Yoda`Taff>beryl is dead, use compiz fusion
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05:26<OdyX>compiz fusion is dead, use KDE4
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05:27<diggy>KDE4 is dead, use GNOME
05:28<OdyX>GNOME is dead, use random deb packages from gnome-look
05:29<diggy>sad:(
05:29<berto>GNOME and KDE have never been alive, they're just software projects
05:30<berto>not carbon-based lifeforms
05:30<vasily>I'm new. Where does one ask noob questions?
05:30<jm_>!ask
05:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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05:33<vasily>Ah! Generally how old is debian stable compared to say fedora?
05:33<jm_>!history
05:33<dpkg>history is probably old and boring or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version
05:33<jm_>or do you mean each stable release?
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05:34<jm_>!release history
05:34<dpkg>Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html.
05:35<vasily>I mean package versions, like kernels and such.
05:36<jm_>that depends, it's typically older when a new stable release comes out
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05:38<vasily>oh, ok. Thanks!
05:38<ananth123>thats why it is better to run testing/unstable on a home desktop... the packages are more recent
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05:39<vasily>Just how unstable are testing/unstable? The names don't give me confidence.
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05:39<ananth123>very stable.... there might be some occasional glitches with a few packages, but thats possible with all distros
05:39<babilen>vasily: If you need a newer version of a package you should use a backported one from backports.org
05:40<jm_>easy to use newer kernel only
05:42<vasily>I don't have anything specific in mind. I just like the stablity of Debian and that it just seems to work, but I like new shiny toys like kde4 too.
05:43<jm_>there is kde4 for stable
05:43<jm_>!kde4
05:43<dpkg>well, kde 4 is the version of <KDE> that you will find in Squeeze. Because KDE 4 is so new, you might get more assistance in #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net. Backports of older versions for lenny are available from http://kde4.debian.net/ See also <kde squeeze>.
05:43<themill>that's only kde4.1 and the repo is gone anyway
05:43<themill>ananth123: "might be a few glitches" == testing was completely broken for most of the last two weeks?
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05:44<ananth123>its not called 'testing' for no reason ;-)
05:44<ananth123>is it fixed now ?
05:44<themill>ish
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05:45<ananth123>I dont use testing, so im not aware of the problem.... i usually run unstable / experimental
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05:46<themill>Recommending that new users run testing is bad enough... that you don't even run it yourself is even worse :(
05:46<ananth123>i run unstable..... havent had any problem in the last couple of years.
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05:48<vasily>how often does testing break? fluke or norm?
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05:48<themill>then you're either just incredibly lucky or you're skilled enough to work your way out of the problems. Presumably, neither of them apply to vasily.
05:48<themill>vasily: occasionally by accident, reasonably regularly on purpose as part of a transition.
05:48<ananth123>ok
05:49<ananth123>i usually ask for help here.... and it gets fixed quite quickly :-)
05:49<vasily>Ah!
05:49<ananth123>i dont consider myself to be any expert anyways....
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05:56<vasily>Thanks for all your help! Later!
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06:04<dumbo>guys i have a question. is there anyway by which i can disable the UUID in /boot/grub/grub.cfg, this UUID is annoying, i been trying all methods to disable, but no joy.
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06:05<cahoot>dumbo: IIRC that's done in /etc/defualt/grub
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06:05<cahoot>s/defualt/default/
06:05<dumbo>yes i did it too. i did that too.
06:06<cahoot>and did run update-grub?
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06:10<dumbo>http://pastebin.ca/1710820
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06:10<dumbo>this is my grub.cfg and /etc/default/grub file entries.
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06:10<dumbo>what am i missing, or where am i going wrong?
06:10<cahoot>and did run update-grub?
06:10<dumbo>yes i did that too.
06:11<cahoot>checked bts?
06:11<dumbo>grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg and update-grub and update-grub2
06:11<dumbo>aah, not yet.
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06:11<simplechat>yeah
06:11<dumbo>i am using lenny, testing, sid and experimental plus a few more.
06:12<dumbo>grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg and update-grub and update-grub2 -> yet i dont see the change in grub.cfg
06:12<cahoot>ok the you're well equipped to solve it
06:12<dumbo>i been trying and reading and yet i am not able to solve it anyhow.
06:12<dumbo>i did all i could.
06:13<dumbo>mmmmm
06:13<dumbo>thanks anyway.
06:13<dumbo>need to jet.
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06:34<Lethalman>jmm, avahi?
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07:06<kilelme>hi
07:07<kilelme>anyone know where i can get emerald?
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07:12<fuji>Hi all
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07:15<fuji>I need help. I want to build latest driver for intel graphic card, but ./configure end with error "checking for XORG... configure: error: Package requirements (xorg-server xproto fontsproto xineramaproto randrproto renderproto xextproto x11 xextproto) were not met: No package 'x11' found"
07:15<jm_>check config.log I guess
07:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 406] by debhelper
07:17<fuji>what I must find in .log
07:17<fuji>?
07:17<jm_>the part where it reports this error
07:18<fuji>confdefs.h
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07:19<kilelme>hmm
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07:20<fuji>I understand that ./configure needs some package, but I don't find it in repositories
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07:21<jm_>it's listing fedore package names IIRC
07:22<fuji>I used debian amd64
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07:23<fuji>2.6.26-2-amd64
07:24<jm_>there's some web page where it lists what's needed, but I forgot where and it's alot of hassle - funny how they say using open source drivers is so much easier
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07:27<fuji>:(
07:28<fuji>а русские есть?
07:29<jm_>!ru
07:29<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
07:29<jm_>my bro went through that after buying g41 board and having issues with the driver
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07:43<quaker66>!why is not xserver-xorg-core 2:1.7.2-2 in amd64
07:43<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, quaker66
07:44<quaker66>!why xserver-xorg-core 2:1.7.2-2 is not in amd64
07:44<dpkg>quaker66: I think you lost me on that one
07:44<quaker66>!why xserver-xorg-core is not in amd64
07:44<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, quaker66
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07:44<quaker66>!why xserver-xorg-core 2:1.7.2-2 is not in experimental
07:44<dpkg>quaker66: what are you talking about?
07:44<quaker66>!why xserver-xorg-core is not in experimental
07:44<dpkg>quaker66: what are you talking about?
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07:49<Lethalman>quaker66, ?
07:50<quaker66>Lethalman, well, there is Xorg 7.5 in experimental but not installable on my amd64 becuase it refuses to install it with xserver-xorg-core 1.7.0 from experimental which is in amd64 and in i386 there is 1.7.2 for quite a long time and still not ported to other architectures.
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07:51<Lethalman>quaker66, cause it's not built by buildd
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07:52<Lethalman>so either you fetch the sources and make a .deb or wait for it to go in unstable
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07:52<quaker66>Lethalman, and do you know if it has support in current nvidia drivers or if there is some patch?
07:53<quaker66>if it has, i will build it myself.
07:53<Lethalman>I don't know
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07:53<Lethalman>read changelogs here quaker66: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/x/xorg-server/current/changelog
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07:53<Lethalman>nothing talks about nvidia
07:53<quaker66>thx a lot Lethalman
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07:54<quaker66>looks there is at least some patch because it works in archlinux
07:55<quaker66>or maybe works out-of-box
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08:03<Lethalman>quaker66, i'd fetch the exp sources and built it
08:04<quaker66>yep
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08:04<quaker66>hi drakeman
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08:05<drakeman>hi quaker66
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08:42<HardwareFreak>I've got a Lenn Postfix server behind a consumer NAT/firewall box. I'd like to be able to public IPs with iptables. I've configured a couple of rules, but they don't seem to be dropping anything. The public IP (static) on the router WAN interface is 65.41.216.221. The internal private network is 192.168.100.0/24. I've already set up a couple of rules to drop spamming hosts, but they...
08:43<HardwareFreak>...don't seem to be working. I already drop most spam via smtpd rules, but I'd like to completely drop dome hosts' packets. Here's one of my rules: -A INPUT -s 122.174.12.228/32 -j DROP
08:43<HardwareFreak>Lenny that is
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08:45<HardwareFreak>I know the router is passing source IPs to private hosts as they show up properly in Postfix.
08:45<HardwareFreak>passing PUBLIC source IPs to private side hosts, that is
08:45<jm_>passing how?
08:45<HardwareFreak>jm_: define "how"
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08:46*HardwareFreak is not a TCP/IP expert
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08:47<jm_>HardwareFreak: did you check how packets look like on the internal host?
08:47<HardwareFreak>jm_: no idea how to do that
08:47<HardwareFreak>tcpdump?
08:47<jm_>HardwareFreak: yeah should show the basic stuff to see if that would match
08:48<HardwareFreak>I've never used it. Do I need any specific cli switches?
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08:50<jm_>probably not, just run it and wait for a connection
08:50<jm_>might want to write to a file so you can re-examine it, -o tcpdump.out
08:50<HardwareFreak>jm_: it's going ficking nutz cause of my ssh session...
08:51<jm_>ahh no -w, -o is snoop
08:51<jm_>HardwareFreak: just write it to a file and you can filter it later in wireshark
08:51<HardwareFreak>goof idea ;)
08:52<jm_>you can also say tcpdump port 25
08:53<HardwareFreak>jm_: pfft, now ya tell me
08:53<jm_>HardwareFreak: learn your tools
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08:54<HardwareFreak>jm_: always do, but you know as well as I do, that you never start learning anything until you need it (for self starters that is--classroom is bass ackwards) ;)
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08:55<Guest1262>hi
08:55<Guest1262>can someone help me figure out why i can't wake on lan my debian computer ?
08:56<Guest1262>the nic led shows power on, but it's not responding to magic packets i send to it
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08:57<HardwareFreak>07:55:12.286934 IP liszt.debian.org.35180 > greer.hardwarefreak.com.smtp: S 2024495660:2024495660(0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 148042890 0,nop,wscale 7>
08:57<HardwareFreak>07:55:12.287077 IP greer.hardwarefreak.com.smtp > liszt.debian.org.35180: S 3776709496:3776709496(0) ack 2024495661 win 5792 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 21431901 148042890,nop,wscale 5>
08:57<jm_>Guest1261: did you check if you have any options for it in the BIOS?
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08:58<HardwareFreak>jm_: that doesn't tell us what we need does it?
08:58<Guest1262>jm_, there is no option in the bios, but the command thtool -s eth0 wol g showed positive output
08:59<HardwareFreak>jm_: i see no ip addresses in there
08:59<jm_>HardwareFreak: it does, unless it resolves diffrently for you, now I remembered I always use -n in tcpdump :)
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09:01<HardwareFreak>08:00:18.543744 IP 192.168.100.9.25 > 168.100.1.7.58266: F 3177948460:3177948460(0) ack 3779466586 win 939 <nop,nop,timestamp 21508465 660733017>
09:02<oz123>jm_, I've set up the variable NETDOWN=no in the init.d/halt script but still no success
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09:03<HardwareFreak>ok, so there we see the broadband NAT router is passing the source IP to the Postfix Lenny box. So why isn't my iptables rule dropping the packets for the two rules I created? I can see in the Postfix log that one of them is still connecting.
09:03<jm_>HardwareFreak: that's a reply, greer.hardwarefreak.com.smtp should be 65.41.216.221 (it is here)
09:04<HardwareFreak>jm_: tcpdump is running on greer.harwarefreak.com. greer is behind the NAT box. DNS for greer points to the public IP of the NAT
09:04<jm_>oz123: better do that in /etc/default/halt
09:04<jm_>HardwareFreak: but isn't that the IP you want to block?
09:05<jm_>HardwareFreak: doh I misread it
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09:05<jm_>HardwareFreak: as you see it receives it as that source IP, not as 122.174.12.228/32
09:05<jm_>oz123: did you try different wol methods?
09:06<HardwareFreak>the tcpdump data above is random stuff coming in, not the example IP I want to block.
09:06<jm_>ahh OK you want to catch that and compare to your rules
09:06<HardwareFreak>jm_: I can't magically wave my wand and have a spammer's machine instantly send me mail ;)
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09:07<jm_>HardwareFreak: what kind of admin are you
09:07*jm_ runs
09:07<HardwareFreak>jm_: the stuff above was just to show you what tcpdump shows, format wise, coming in
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09:07<jm_>HardwareFreak: right, just use -n and compare to your rules, using iptables logging also helps
09:07<HardwareFreak>jm_: din get that...
09:08<HardwareFreak>jm_: that's one of the problems: iptables isn't logging squat, not in kern.log or messages
09:08<jm_>HardwareFreak: it will be easier to investigate if you write it to a file and then load this file in wireshark
09:09<jm_>HardwareFreak: it might be you have accept rules before log rules, make sure to put logging before "end" rules
09:09<HardwareFreak>jm_: can you give me a 10000 ft answer?
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09:10<jm_>HardwareFreak: what's that?
09:10<HardwareFreak>jm_: I have no "log" rules. I thought iptables logs to kern.log or messages by default. Or, does "default" not mean "default"?
09:10<HardwareFreak>to me "deafault" means "automatic"
09:11<jm_>HardwareFreak: no you need LOG rules
09:11<HardwareFreak>does one still have to explicitly state in the iptables rule to log that rule?
09:11<HardwareFreak>ahh
09:11<HardwareFreak>k
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09:11<jm_>!iptables tutorial
09:11<dpkg>rumour has it, iptables tutorial is http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/
09:11<HardwareFreak>I'm brand new to iptables and still tryiing to learn
09:11<oz123>jm_, i tried with etherwake and wakeonlan, no success with both
09:12<HardwareFreak>clear me up on something. _IF_ logging, one needs to rules for each rule, correct? One rule to DROP and one rule to log that DROP?
09:12<HardwareFreak>two rules for each rule I meant
09:12<jm_>oz123: but you have many methods available with ethtool -s wol ...
09:12<HardwareFreak>one logs, the other drops. right?
09:12<jm_>for example yes
09:12<HardwareFreak>or can i put it all on one line?
09:12<jm_>in that order too
09:13<jm_>you can create say LOGDROP chain which does this and then just redirect packets to it
09:13<HardwareFreak>jm_: ok, that's way over my head. I'll have to read up.
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09:14<HardwareFreak>jm_: back to the original question. Any idea why the iptables rule isn't dropping the packets, given that we've verified the NAT router is sending the actual public IP source addresses inbound to the private host (greer0?
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09:16<HardwareFreak>jm_: or do we need the logging in place before we can state that case with certainty?
09:17<jm_>HardwareFreak: yeah iptables usually just works so my bet would be on something accepting it first or rule doesn't match
09:18<jm_>sorry have to run now
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09:18<HardwareFreak>One of the two rules: -A INPUT -s 78.33.76.193/32 -j DROP
09:20<HardwareFreak>jm_:
09:20<HardwareFreak>jm_: real quick 'fore you go, show me a proper logging rule for that rule above please?
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09:23<oz123>jm_, you mean many methods to set up the nic before turning of the computer ?
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09:33<jmm>HardwareFreak: what about just changing -j, to -j LOG_DROP
09:34<jmm>before you'll have to do iptables -N LOG_DROP
09:34<jmm>and iptables -A LOG_DROP -j DROP
09:34<HardwareFreak>jmm: I already got it. Now just checking the log periodically to see if those two IPs try connecting. So far they haven't it seems.
09:34<HardwareFreak>what's the "-N" for?
09:34<jmm>create .
09:35<dr|z3d>"new"
09:35<jmm>yes.
09:35<HardwareFreak>is that just to prevent two rules per rule?
09:35<HardwareFreak>one log, one drop? this eliminates that?
09:36<jmm>no, LOG_DROP will log and forward to DROP.
09:36<jmm>yes.
09:36<HardwareFreak>can't I just have this: -A INPUT -s 78.33.76.193/32 -j LOG
09:36<HardwareFreak>-A INPUT -s 78.33.76.193/32 -j DROP
09:37<jmm>I don't think so, but you can try.
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09:37<HardwareFreak>jmm: that's what lenny 'man iptables' says to do, if I read it correctly
09:38<HardwareFreak>jmm: LOG
09:38<HardwareFreak> to LOG the packets you refuse, use two separate rules with the same
09:38<HardwareFreak> matching criteria, first using target LOG then DROP (or REJECT).
09:38<jmm>I doubt it told you to have 2 -A .
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09:39<jmm>heh , it's what I told you to do :)
09:39<HardwareFreak>jmm: does the man page need a rewrite WRT this?
09:39<sbyrne>dpkg is telling me to go to goodbye-microsoft.com, but that says gNewSense. Where can I find the win32 Debian installer?
09:40<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, sbyrne
09:40<jmm>the man page is fine.
09:40<jmm>HardwareFreak: it tell you to use 2 rules, not one.
09:40<HardwareFreak>so my rules above, they match the man page ins no?
09:40<jmm>oh, I thinked it was just one line.
09:40<HardwareFreak>correct. I have two rules above. One LOG, one DROP
09:41<jmm>it's fine so.
09:41<HardwareFreak>cool
09:41<HardwareFreak>so now i wait
09:41<HardwareFreak>like a hunter who has set a trap lol
09:41<jmm>be carefull not to step in :)
09:41<HardwareFreak>damn spammers just aren't reliable .. heheh
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09:42<HardwareFreak>just to test my iptables and logging is working, I should DROP some IP of some website I always use so I an tell instantly if it works. Then just delete the rule.
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09:43<sbyrne>Should I trust the installer at goodbye-windows.com ?
09:43<jmm>HardwareFreak: that seems wise.
09:43<HardwareFreak>for now, I gotta run out and grab a pack of smokes... hate walking a block in 2 deg F weather....
09:43<desja004>sbyrne: yes
09:43<jmm>sbyrne:yes.
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09:45<desja004>i am thinkpad x301 and i am running lenny. i needed to upgrade my kernel from 2.6.26 to 2.6.30 for my wireless card. unfortunately now my brightness keys and adjustment no longer. i think i am experiencing this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=521280 ... but the updated version of acpid from backports didn't solve it either. any ideas?
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09:45<desja004>first am/have
09:45<sbyrne>desja004: jmm: Does debian publish an md5 signature or something for debian.exe somewhere?
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09:47<sbyrne>Somebody should tell dpkg that debian.exe is go to goodbye-windows.com not goodbye-microsoft.com. It won't listen to me.
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09:49<sbyrne>nm, I got it.
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09:57<mansor>hello, I'm trying to install kerberos with aes on my frshly installed debian 2.6.26-1-amd64, and I'm getting the following error when trying to create the new realm (with krb5_newrealm) :
09:57<mansor>kdb5_util: No matching key in entry having a permitted enctype while initializing the Kerberos admin interface
09:57<mansor>can anyone help?
09:58<mansor>*freshly
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10:03<mercutio22>which kinda slot is this? http://imagebin.ca/view/5yxsZGun.html
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10:06<Guest1272>hello i have a problem running chroot
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10:07<Guest1272>the error is "chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error"
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10:11<Guest1272>can someone help me?please
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10:13<patrikf>sounds like you're trying to run a 64-bit binary under a 32-bit kernel
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10:13<mbruins>Guest1272: this might help http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/chroot-cannot-run-command-binbash-exec-format-error-464121/
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10:16<Guest1272>thanks
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10:17<LuXor>Hello, i've Sound Noise problem on debian lenny when the volume is close to Maximum. I thinks the problem depends by some options in alsamixer.
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10:18<LuXor>Is here anybody that can help me?
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10:19<Guest1272>i had a problem on my debian squeeze,try gnome-alsamixer and change the options,i haven't any sound and unchecking side the problem was solved
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10:20<Beryllium>Anyone care to help with a bit of (non-painful) fstab configuration?
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10:21<Beryllium>I have an external hard drive that I can't seem to get mounted as a writable file system
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10:29<LuXor>Guest1272: on gnome-alsamixer the only way i found to delete noise is to set Master at minimum or mute it. The problem is that in this way the volume is too low
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10:29<mansor>does anyone know I can get help for kerberos+aes (I'm trying to put that on my debian machine...) ?
10:29<mansor>*where
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10:39<eniac_petrov1>hello
10:39<eniac_petrov1>to all
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10:42<eniac_petrov1>what you would recommend me? apt-cacher, apt-proxy or ..?
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10:51<|BAC|Clan>hallo kann mir einer sagen wie ich im kernel von einem Debian 64bit server den 32 bit support aktiviere
10:52<cahoot>!de
10:52<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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10:56<Ajurna>hey @ll
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10:57<Ajurna>is it normal that there is no file /etc/apt/apt.conf on lenny ? there's apt.conf.d ... I need to increase my timeout settings, is it ok to create an apt.conf file ?
10:57<themill>Ajurna: or create a file in apt.conf.d, either is fine
10:57<Ajurna>what should I name it
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10:58<themill>whatever you like "timeouts" would be fine
10:58<Ajurna>ah ok
10:59<Ajurna>one general thing .. I don't remember changing anything major to my system and I get problems with name resolving all over the place
10:59<Ajurna>I looked into it with wireshark and it seems I get responsens from the DNS server quiet quickly
11:00<Ajurna>anything I can check ?
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11:05<Beryllium>If I have a drive in fstab with options rw and user, do I need to put accounts in a group to access that drive?
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11:13<edbian>I need advice: Besides obviously playing left 4 dead, how feasible is this tutorial on a linux system? http://www.maximumpc.com/article/howtos/howto_make_left_4_dead_map_google_sketchup
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11:42<mic69>ciao
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11:56<severo>Hoy
11:56<severo>Or...hi
11:56<severo>i'm brazilian
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11:56<severo>:)
11:56<severo>:(
11:56<severo>Bye Bye people
11:56<severo>peoples
11:56<severo>ki
11:56<severo>kises1'
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12:00<newsense>i have a usb wifi adapter using the rt73 drivers and have the firmware, it works but the interface goes down on it's own
12:01<newsense>working on a pastebin right now with more info
12:01<dr|z3d>newsense: You might find pump a useful tool to have around for that scenario.
12:02<dr|z3d>judd: versions pump
12:02<judd>dr|z3d: pump -- etch: 0.8.24-2 lenny: 0.8.24-4 sid: 0.8.24-5 squeeze: 0.8.24-5
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12:05<newsense>dr|z3d: yeah i could use pump but i shouldnt have to, i had tyhis thing working for over a year till i got a new hdd and reinstalled fresh, might have a newer kernel than i did before too
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12:06<newsense>http://paste.debian.net/53744/ <- more information on the issue
12:06<dr|z3d>newsense: maybe wicd instead of gnome's network manager? Tried that?
12:06<newsense>i use wpasupplicant no gui manager
12:07<dr|z3d>Ok.
12:07<newsense>the thing is though that i have to ifdown wlan0 to get it back up again even though ifconfig doesnt show the device up
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12:07<newsense>so wpasupplicant isnt doing that for me
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12:10<edrz>so ... i've started using squeeze this week. What is the "correct" way to re-enable ctrl-alt-backspace to kill X?
12:11<patrikf>!dontzap
12:11<dpkg>To disable termination of your X server via Ctrl+Alt+Backspace in Lenny and Etch, place Option "DontZap" "on" within the ServerFlags section of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, see xorg.conf(5). Squeeze users: server zapping is not enabled by default. To enable, use your desktop's Keyboard Preferences application, or use "setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" to enable for the current session.
12:11<patrikf>edrz: like this, just s/on/off/
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12:14<edrz>yeah ... i did the xorg.conf piece. i guess the setxkbmap piece is needed also?
12:15<newsense>i have a usb wifi adapter using the rt73 drivers and have the firmware, it works but the interface goes down on it's own
12:15<newsense>http://paste.debian.net/53744/ <- more information
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12:16<patrikf>edrz: it worked for me just using xorg.conf. or maybe it doesn't anymore, but I don't want to try and kill my x server right now. :)
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12:18<edrz>grr.
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12:26<Pho75>hi all. i'm trying to install debian to a usb flash drive on an HP nc6220 laptop. I used the instructions at this site:
12:26<Pho75>http://blogs.koolwal.net/2009/01/28/installing-linux-on-usb-part-2-install-debian-lenny-on-usb-hard-drive/
12:26<Pho75>but after I enter rootdelay=8 in the boot parameters it keeps telling me this error (below). There's nothing wrong with the partition.
12:26<Pho75>I can see the usb drive contents clearly on my desktop.
12:26<Pho75>root (hd1,0)
12:26<Pho75>Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7
12:26<Pho75>error 17: cannot mount selected partition
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12:27<odla>hi i am wondering if anyone else is using a thinkpad and has had there brightness keys stop working after upgrading to kernel 2.6.30 and how they overcame this?
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12:29<amphi>odla: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=521280 perhaps
12:30<odla>amphi: yeah i've been there ... and have updated acpid but to no avail
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12:44<shhhhh>test from iPhone
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12:56<wbin>who
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13:00<newsense>how can i check the depends of a module ?
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13:00<ngomes> xserver-xorg-input-kbd
13:00<ngomes>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
13:00<ngomes>error while upgrading from lenny to sid
13:00<ngomes>is it normal ?
13:00<khalil>and whats the output ?
13:00<ngomes>no more than that line
13:01<ngomes>next line is prompt
13:01<dr|z3d>ngomes: dpkg --configure -a
13:01<dr|z3d>That will resume where dpkg left off.
13:01<ngomes>dr|z3d: went all ok
13:01<dr|z3d>Then you're good :)
13:01<ngomes>now can i call dist-upgrade to check if its all good ?
13:01<dr|z3d>Sure.
13:02<ngomes>lol same error
13:02<ngomes>whatever
13:02<dr|z3d>try aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade
13:02<ngomes>im rebooting
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13:03<ngomes>its says grub is installed so will boot
13:04<ngomes>is removing some packages
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13:22<alex__>hi
13:22-!-eoliva [~eoliva@189-039-007-100.static.spo.ctbc.com.br] has joined #debian
13:22<alex__>i'm alex debian user from italy
13:22<alex__>i have a question
13:23-!-Zsoci [~zsolt@BC244057.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #debian
13:23<alex__>i have installed debian lenny on HP PA 712/60 but icewm is too slow
13:23<alex__>i search cde for linux
13:23<alex__>CDE is the desktop manager of HP-UX
13:23<alex__>can help me? :)
13:23<alex__>ty
13:24<ichdasich>!it
13:24<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
13:24<Zsoci>hi there.maybe I got a stupid question.is there any program to mount my router to change it or something like that
13:24<Zsoci>?
13:24<bittin>no never used cde :(
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13:24<cahoot>Zsoci: not accessible via webinterface?
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13:25<ngomes>just updated to sid but cant find apropriate kernel headers
13:25<Zsoci>yes it is,but i would like to change things on it
13:25<ngomes>apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.31-1-686 wont find nothing
13:25<Zsoci>that can't manage with web interface
13:25<brianskywalker>hello
13:26<ngomes>whats the apt cmd to get current kernel headers ?
13:26<Zsoci>warranty is not gona be a problem.it is outdated
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13:28<Xenguy>ngomes: something like: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
13:29<ngomes>Xenguy: ywah , but its unavailable
13:29<zsolt_>i tried with ssh but port 22 refuses connection
13:29<Xenguy>ngomes: darn ;-)
13:29<ngomes>why isnt available ?
13:29<Huseyin>!tr
13:29<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg
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13:30<ngomes>its not suposed to release the headers same time the kernel is out ?
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13:30<zsolt_>I want to change something on the router's core system,web interface is limited to do that
13:30<mercutio22>I must be missing some messages or something, zsolt_ who/what are you talking about/to?
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13:31<Xenguy>ngomes: usually that's the case AFAIK, but I see you're running sid, which is sometimes 'unstable' if you will :p
13:31<mercutio22>zsolt_: are you Zsoci?
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13:32<miguel000>whenever i plug in my cam i want all of the images to be moved to some specified folder.
13:32<ngomes>Xenguy: this is not unstable ... its unavailable
13:32<miguel000>i already managed to make the cam available as /dev/camera
13:32<miguel000>with udev
13:32<miguel000>but im unsure how to automatically (and especially WHERE?) to mount it, move the pics and unmmount it again,
13:33<zsolt_>did I make any problem?just answered my question
13:33<Xenguy>ngomes: "a rose by any other name..."
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13:34<mercutio22>zsolt_: I am confused. I don't get whats going on. It seems you undergone a sudden nick transmutation.
13:34<locklace>!confuse mercutio22
13:34<dpkg>No, those is our pineapple tomorrow, mercutio22? Pants of the Monarchy of Tahiti with extra herring.
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13:35<mercutio22>HEHEHE =]
13:35<zsolt_>is anybody did you something wrong or what?
13:35<mercutio22>!amazing dpkg
13:36<zsolt_>I'm hungarian sorry bout my english
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13:36<mercutio22>zsolt_: I am Brazilian. No excuses.
13:36<ngomes>!!kernel-headers
13:36<ngomes>!kernel-headers
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13:37<zsolt_>ok,understood.yes my name changed.can't figure out why
13:38<zsolt_>didn't watched my name,than you told me.went upwards and seen that my name was changing
13:38<zsolt_>sorry about that
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13:39<mercutio22>zsolt_: whats wrong with using the web interface to set up your router?
13:39<zsolt_>so,my question is,how is it possible to enter to my router,to change the core system.it is a linux based edimax router
13:40<mercutio22>zsolt_: I see... I am not sure how.
13:40<mercutio22>zsolt_: is there a manual?
13:41<zsolt_>yes,but it don't tell me nothing about that.but it is interesting,that you can download the linux source for this router
13:42<zsolt_>yes
13:42<kham>hi, i'm installing debian for a friend who will be new to GNU/Linux and so i'm looking for a gui to manage packages. Apart from synaptic that is based on apt, is there a gui for aptitude?
13:42<mercutio22>zsolt_: what model is it?
13:42<zsolt_>i red it,but nothing special.my option is to update the router's firmware
13:43<zsolt_>the only option
13:43<mercutio22>kham: whats wrong with synaptic?
13:43<zsolt_>really why i wan't to do that,would like to change the router's mac address
13:43<kham>maybe the gestion of dependencies?
13:44<zsolt_>but in the web interface it is inpossible
13:44<mercutio22>zsolt_: you should be able to do that via web interface
13:44<mercutio22>zsolt_: let me see...
13:44<mercutio22>zsolt_: can you paste me the model?
13:46<zsolt_>Edimax br_6204wg
13:46<zsolt_>but can't find anywhere
13:47<kham>mercutio22: i'm guessing that my friend will be trying many applications and so will be installing and removing many applications. I'm afraid that synaptic will leave many unused libraries. But I may be wrong...
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13:48<mercutio22>kham: wrong I'd say.
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13:49<namektran>Hello can someone help me
13:49<namektran>i need to sync music to iphone
13:50<locklace>!anyone
13:50<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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13:50<namektran>!popcon
13:50<dpkg>it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/
13:50<namektran>!iphone
13:50<dpkg>iphone is probably a phone made by Apple and can be used to browse http://debian.org
13:50<kham>mercutio22: ok, thank you very much.
13:50<namektran>!iphone sync
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13:50<cahoot>namektran: you know you can /msg the bot?
13:51<namektran>oh
13:51<namektran>sry
13:51<namektran>but can u help me
13:51<locklace>!u
13:51<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
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13:54<lac>I have edited xorg.conf trying to set the Option "SWCursor" "on" in Device because something is very wrong with my mouse cursor, and it is window manger independent. How do i find out if I have successfully set the SW cursor?
13:54<mercutio22>zsolt_: are you there? Check page 20 of the manual
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13:56<zsolt_>page 20?i'm on it.thank you so much.if it solves my problem,i'm blind,that didn't seen nothing.
13:56<brianskywalker>hi does anyone know about windowmaker?
13:56<mercutio22>!windomaker
13:57<locklace>lac: "grep -i cursor /var/log/Xorg.0.log" might be of some help
13:57<mercutio22>!windowmaker
13:57<dpkg>Window Maker is a <window manager>, flexible and highly configurable. Packaged for Debian as 'wmaker'. http://www.windowmaker.info/ #windowmaker on irc.windowmaker.info.
13:58<brianskywalker>i'm using windowmaker, any the dock somehow dissapeared. i haven't been able to get it back
13:58<brianskywalker>*and
13:58<lac>locklace: thank you. It says: (WW) intel(0): Option "SWCursor" is not used, and goes off and does the HW Cursor anyway. Is there a way to force this?
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13:59<zsolt_>yes,page 20 is about wan
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14:00<zsolt_>but how may I change my mac address like this?
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14:02<locklace>lac: that option should be the force. if it doesn't work, sounds like a problem with the intel driver
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14:04<lac>locklace: grumble grumble, but thank you very much. if my mouse cursor turns into a postage stamp sized square that looks like copper mesh, and it happens under KDE and enlightenment, then I have a hardware problem, correct? Or could something else be causing this?
14:05<locklace>lac: does it happen if you just run "X" directly
14:05<locklace>lac: does it happen if you use the vesa or framebuffer x drivers
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14:07<lac>locklace: I haven't used it without a wm. And I don't know whether I am using vesa or framebuffer x drivers, nor how to find out. But I can google for that.
14:07<brianskywalker>i'm using windowmaker, and the dock somehow dissapeared. is there any way to get it back?
14:08<locklace>lac: those were suggested actions disguised as questions
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14:10<lac>locklace: I understand. Reading now.
14:11<locklace>first test is simple, just run "X" from the commandline; you should get a grey screen and an x cursor
14:12<lac>brianskywalker: usually when you restart windowmaker from the command line or the menu an icon will show up in the lower left corner and you can drag that to the dock
14:12<brianskywalker>lac: when i restart, there are no icons anywhere
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14:16<lac>brianskywalker: then all I can suggest is to do what is outlined here: http://linuxlab.dk/tipsntricks/wmakericons
14:16<lac>brianskywalker:and I cannot help much now since I have to keep logging in and out to try and fix my problem ...
14:17<brianskywalker>lac: ok, i'll try that. thanks
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14:23<fisxoj>hello, I just upgraded to the 2.6.31 in unstable, and now power saving doesn't work on my iwlagn card, this takes 2 hours off battery life. Is there a fic in 2.6.32?
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14:25<mercutio22>zsolt_: clone mac address
14:26<zsolt_>thank you
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14:28<amphi>fisxoj: a patch was recently posted to the linux-thinkad list - let me see if I find it on the tubes
14:28<fisxoj>amphi, thanks
14:29<amphi>fisxoj: http://mail.matrix.de/pipermail/linux-thinkpad/2009-December/048075.html
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14:30<amphi>fisxoj: I haven't tried it yet; the PM bit appears to be only changing a boolean variable
14:31<fisxoj>hrmm, well, thanks for it, I'm going to look around a bit more before I download the module source and re-make it myself
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14:33<amphi>fisxoj: could be nice if that setting was exposed via sysfs
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14:33<lac>locklace: ok, it may be that I have misunderstood what you wanted me to do. I went and logged into the console, became root, and typed X. The screen changed colours but I got no cursor at all. And to exit I had to type control-alt-f1
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14:34<fisxoj>amphi, well, I guess it used to be, but people decided it was broken enough to take out, it seems
14:34<locklace>lac: you should have had an ordinary black x cursor
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14:34<fisxoj>I might need to downgrade back to 2.6.30
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14:35<amphi>fisxoj: I don't know that it was ever switchable in sysfs, but it was disabled not that long ago
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14:35<locklace>lac: so you can try the vesa or fb drivers just to see. but odds are this is either hw breakage or driver fail. and given the pathetic state of the intel x driver lately, i wouldn't toss your card just yet
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14:35<lac>locklace: there was no visible difference anywhere on the screen. It just sat there. So looks like hardware.
14:36<lac>this is an ibm thinkpad x40
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14:37<lac>but i recently upgraded my kernel. on the other hand to do that I needed to upgrade the bios as well.
14:38<locklace>i'm going to chalk it up to "intel driver sucks" until we find evidence to the contrary
14:39<locklace>you can always check whether it works in windows
14:39<lac>!
14:39<lac>and since I have a windows partition, I can go away and check that right now. Thank you.
14:39<lac>back soon with a report ...
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14:51<sqlnoob>Hello, sorry to interupt, but I know there are a lot of smart people here. :) Does anybody know where a decent irc place to get sql / html help would be?
14:52<locklace>!fgi sqlnoob sql-irc
14:52<dpkg>sqlnoob: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=sql-irc
14:52<bittin>#html and #mysql at Freenode
14:52<sqlnoob>great, thanks.
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14:53<lac>locklace: windows xp is happy, so looks like a driver
14:53<locklace>"intel driver sucks" it is
14:53<lac>locklace: :-)
14:53<locklace>check the bts for xserver-xorg-video-intel, then file yet another bug
14:54<locklace>or two, one for the swcursor option not working
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14:55<lac>actually, I think I have a _third_ bug. This laptop is a Swedish laptop
14:55<bittin>wtf
14:55<bittin>i also got a swedish laptop whats buggy with that?
14:55<lac>and I have edited xorg.conf to not say 'us' but 'se' and my consoles, ptys
14:55<locklace>meanwhile you can either try a different version of the driver, or limp along with the framebuffer or vesa drivers
14:55<lac>still come up with us layout.
14:56<locklace>judd versions xserver-xorg-video-intel
14:56<judd>locklace: xserver-xorg-video-intel -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2 lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6 sid: 2:2.9.1-1 squeeze: 2:2.9.1-1 experimental: 2:2.9.1-1+exp1
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14:57<lac>locklace: is there something else I should do to force swedish layout? And if this doesn't work is this an xorg bug as well?
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14:59<locklace>there's all kinds of pain happening with the x input system too. my suggestion is to read the various things at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce and pray one of them works
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15:03<newsense>im using a wireless adapter with a rt73 chipset, the rt73usb module causes the interface to go down when transferring even smal;l amounts of data
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15:03<newsense>more information here http://paste.debian.net/?pnew=53744
15:03<cahoot>lac: what's in /etc/default/keyboard?
15:03<newsense>i have tried using the legacy rt73 module which i compiled and loaded with no problems but that module is even buggier
15:04<newsense>does anyone know of a fix for this ?
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15:04<newsense>this adapter did work in the past with an older kernel version but i don't remember which it was
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15:05<locklace>newsense: are you using the latest firmware? what kernel version
15:05<lac>cahoot: aha! that one says us. Is there a way to get that change to take effect without rebooting the system?
15:05<newsense>yeah i got the firmware through the ralink-firmware package
15:05<cahoot>lac: edit and restart hal as told in the file
15:06<newsense>2.6.30-2-686
15:06<locklace>newsense: only suggestion is to test with .32
15:07<newsense>locklace: i will try that, was hoping i wouldn't have to compile another kernel but if that's what it take
15:07<newsense>thanks
15:08<locklace>let us know how it goes
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15:08<newsense>i'll have to get to a computer with an ethernet connection cause my connect is too unstabgle to download anything
15:09<newsense>irc and web browsing is about all i can do
15:11<lac>cahoot: I edited it, I restarted hal, and then I used control-alt f1 to get a tty and that tty thinks it is connected to a us keyboard
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15:13<cahoot>lac: and in X
15:13<cahoot>?
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15:15<lac>cahoot: I don't think that I can run a plain X server right now. KDE has always understood that this keyboard is Swedish; I can go check and see if enlightenment or lxde do now
15:15<lac>back in a bit
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15:18<lac>cahoot: works great in enlightenment now. Thank you very much.
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15:21<lac>Is there a way to find out a) what was the most recent kernel that was pre-udev change and b) what intel driver was in that kernel? Because that is the last one that I know worked on this laptop
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15:23<valdyn>lac: why do you think its the kernel when the largest part of the driver is not in the kernel?
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15:30<newsense>looks as if my problem was fixed in 2.6.31, didn't feel like rolling my own 2.6.33
15:30<newsense>getting faster speeds too and it seems stable now
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15:31<newsense>thanks to the person that recommended the kernel update, forget who it was
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15:33<locklace>!congratulate newsense
15:33<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies newsense, you did it!
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15:33<newsense>i feel like an idiot for not thinking of that myself, instead i choose to troubleshoot it all morning :)
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15:34<lac>valdyn: I think that my problem is with my intel video driver, and I would like to try to go back to the last version that did not have this problem. Whatever version was associated with that kernel, that's the last one I can be sure of
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15:37<locklace>newsense: and you don't have to build your own .32 if you want to run it, you can just dpkg -i the one from sid
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15:51<valdyn>lac: your video driver is xserver-xorg-video-intel
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15:51<valdyn>lac: the kernel contains only a small module which that driver needs to work
15:54<lac>valdyn: when I upgraded my kernel, my mouse cursor stopped working displaying properly. I assumed that this is because I got a new video driver at the same time. So there is no way to tell from looking at an old kernel what driver you had at that time?
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16:24<newsense>anyone know the difference between linux-image-2.6.32-rc8-686 and linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 ?
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16:25<locklace>the latter is the actual .32 kernel
16:26<newsense>locklace: thanks seems the problem still exists with the .32 kernel
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16:26<locklace>but not in .31?
16:27<newsense>sorry meant 31
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16:28<newsense>im hoping this works or else im sol
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16:28<newsense>this computer is too far from my router and the landlord isnt impressed with me running wires through his walls, he said no more
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16:35<newsense>heh doesnt look theres is a linux-kbuild for the 2.6.32 kernel
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16:39<tarzeau>does anyone have an ultrasparc?
16:40<newsense>how can i install 2.6.32 kernel if there isnt a kbuild package for it ?
16:40<kmap>newsense: kernel-package?
16:40<kmap>!kernel-package
16:40<dpkg>[kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>.
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16:41<kmap>newsense: If it helps, I'm using a kernel-package compiled vannilla 2.6.32
16:41<newsense>i was hoping i didnt have to roll my own because i am not even sure if this kernel is going to fix my problem
16:42<kmap>Fair.
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16:42<newsense>if thats the only option though i guess i have no choice
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16:44<newsense>ill just use make oldconfig that way i can get straight to startinbg the compile
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16:56<Ignaz>hi, all
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17:17<slipshot>is there any way to install Squeeze without having to install Lenny first and upgrade?
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17:17<locklace>you can try the testing installer images, but they're usually screwed
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17:18<lontra>hi i someone changed the colors of my terminal ... maybe bash but don't recall actually editing anything
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17:18<dr|z3d>lontra: check your bash.rc
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17:44<lontra>what do i need to install to play .m4a files?
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17:50<Nemoder>lontra: an aac decoder, the audacious-plugins package provides it for audacious
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18:11<hdon>hi all. i've encountered this warning before (http://paste.debian.net/53773/) but can someone please remind me how to quiet it?
18:12<kmap>hdon: You'd have to set your locale
18:12<kmap>!locale
18:12<dpkg>locale is, like, a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). See http://wiki.debian.org/Locale and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale for more info.
18:12<kmap>^^^ The Wiki article should solve the problem for you
18:13<kmap>Basically, the dpkg-reconfigure locales and choosing a default should be enough
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18:14<hdon>do i need to install the entire locales package?
18:14<hdon>hmm, the bottom of that wiki page looks like a helpful link...
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18:14<kmap>Right
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18:19<houms>does anyone know how i can contact _rene?
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18:19<houms>he is OOo maintainer for debian?
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18:20<houms>I am trying to get help with an issue I am having with OOo 3.1.1
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18:21<houms>the good folks at sidux suggested I check here. any help would be appreciated
18:22<stevecotton>you haven't said what problem you're having yet (this is more of a ask-and-we-might-know channel than a redirect-to-the-maintainer channel)
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18:23<houms>oh my apologies, in writer pasting certain websites from iceweasel causes crash with no report window just disappears
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18:25<houms>the folks over at sidux seemed to suggest that it was because of thewebpage being so poorly coded
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18:25<houms>I kind of find this hard to believe as I would hope that writer should be able to deal with this more elegantly.
18:25<houms>I assume it can as OOo 3.0.1 i believe under linuxmint 7 works with no problems
18:26<houms>note both of these are 64bit version though i do not think that makes much difference
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18:27<houms>if anyone has any suggestions It would be appreciated
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18:34<stevecotton>houms: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=551481
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18:35<stevecotton>(which is fixed in the not-yet-in-debian version 3.2 http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=106498 )
18:36<houms>does that mean OO in that regard is useless until 3.2?
18:36<houms>thanks for that piece of info steve
18:36<houms>appreciate your help
18:37<stevecotton>possibly useless. I've only skim-read the bug reports just now though.
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18:37<craigevil>3.2.0 is in exp and will hopefully be in sid/backports soon
18:38<stevecotton>thanks craig :)
18:38<houms>what do you mean possibly
18:38<houms>?
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18:42<stevecotton>possibly - as in those bug reports may give workarounds and tell you how to make the package work anyway. I've only skimmed read it to see if it sounds like the one that's affecting you.
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18:43<doomcup[eeepc]_>Hi, I need help building the kernel module for my rt2860 wifi card
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18:43<doomcup[eeepc]_>I just put it through module assistant, but the build failed due to not finding fsuid or fsgid
18:44<doomcup[eeepc]_>I'm afraid without it, the system I'm doing it on can't access my network
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18:45<craigevil>doomcup[eeepc]_: http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta
18:46<doomcup[eeepc]_>I see, thank you
18:46<doomcup[eeepc]_>I'll have to download the debs on this and transfer them to the other one, but I think I can manage
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18:52<doomcup[eeepc]_>I'm afraid there's been another problem
18:53<doomcup[eeepc]_>I followed the wiki up to ifconfig ra0 up
18:53<doomcup[eeepc]_>When I entered that, it said the operation wasn't permitted
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18:57<amphi>doomcup[eeepc]_: you're root?
18:58<doomcup[eeepc]_>Yes
18:58<doomcup[eeepc]_>I found out what the problem was
18:58<doomcup[eeepc]_>I had the wrong version of the firmware
18:59<doomcup[eeepc]_>However, I'm still unable to get wireless working on the other system
18:59<nse>I have a problem with my microphone. I plugged it but It doesn't work. Do I have to download a package or do I have to edit a file?
19:00<hdon>nse: why don't you open your sound mixer and make sure it's unmuted and turned up
19:00<hdon>how is it "not working" anyhow?
19:00<hdon>details! :)
19:00<doomcup[eeepc]_>dhclient has failed to get any offers
19:00<doomcup[eeepc]_>and iwconfig refuses to set the essid to my wireless network's name
19:01<hdon>doomcup[eeepc]_: show the iwconfig essid commandline you typed (c&p, no retyping!)
19:01<nse>I can't figure how to open a sound mixer. There isn't one in Sound and Video applications.
19:01<doomcup[eeepc]_>I can't
19:01<doomcup[eeepc]_>The computer I'm doing this on has no connection to the internet
19:01<hdon>nse: do you have a sound/speaker icon on your gnome panel?>
19:02<hdon>doomcup[eeepc]_: ah, right, duh! sorry :)
19:02<doomcup[eeepc]_>Which is why I'm trying to get wireless working
19:02<hdon>doomcup[eeepc]_: well reproduce as best you can :)
19:02<doomcup[eeepc]_>It's okayv:p
19:02<nse>hdon: No I don't. There used to be but it's gone.
19:02<hdon>doomcup[eeepc]_: if it has another NIC you could connect via that in the interim
19:02<doomcup[eeepc]_>Okay, I did "iwconfig ra0 essid genius"
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19:03<doomcup[eeepc]_>I'm afraid I have no other way, the router is upstairs, the longest ethernet cable we have is 1' long, and the computer is a full atx tower and cumbersome to move
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19:04<gsimmons>doomcup[eeepc]_: The rt2860sta driver has issues, refer to the wiki page for those that are known. You'll need to use iwpriv instead of iwconfig WRT unencrypted/WEP connections.
19:04<amphi>doomcup[eeepc]_: iwlist ra0 scan shows your router?
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19:04<hdon>nse: well, add one to your panel. right click the panel, choose add to panel, then search for volume control
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19:04<doomcup[eeepc]_>amphi: yes, it's there
19:04<nse>hdon: Yes okay. I can see it now. The volumes are all right.
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19:05<hdon>amphi: i think you should be able to set the essid even without a wap with the essid in the area, but i could be wrong
19:05<doomcup[eeepc]_>gsimmons: I'll try that
19:05<hdon>nse: did you check the volume of the MIC?
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19:05<amphi>hdon: yes, you should
19:05<nse>hdon: Yes front Mic.
19:06<jpinx-eeepc>doomcup[eeepc]_: I use wicd ;)
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19:06<jpinx-eeepc>nse: what desktop are you using now?
19:07<doomcup[eeepc]_>jpinx-eeepc, so do I, when I'm able to installit
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19:07<jpinx-eeepc>doomcup[eeepc]_: are you on Lenny - it's in backports
19:08<hdon>jpinx-eeepc: is wicd supposed to fix his problem or just be another UI to control his wireless connection?
19:08<nse>jpinx-eeepc: It's GNOME.
19:08<doomcup[eeepc]_>jpinx-eeepc, I'm using testing
19:08<jpinx-eeepc>hdon: tbh I haven't read the scroll back all the way
19:08<doomcup[eeepc]_>And I have no internet on the computer I'm installing on
19:08<doomcup[eeepc]_>And wicd is not on the 1st dvd
19:09<doomcup[eeepc]_>And I still can't get my wireless card to connect
19:09<jpinx-eeepc>doomcup[eeepc]_: ouch! I think you can get the .deb and dpkg -i it
19:09<hdon>jpinx-eeepc: he doens't need wicd!
19:09<doomcup[eeepc]_>Let's focus on getting my wireless working first
19:09<amphi>doomcup[eeepc]_: listen to gsimmons ;)
19:09<doomcup[eeepc]_>One moment
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19:10<jpinx-eeepc>hdon: ok ok ;)
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19:10<doomcup[eeepc]>Okay
19:10<doomcup[eeepc]>So, iwpriv
19:10<nse>jpinx-eeepc: Are able to help me?
19:10<doomcup[eeepc]>I'm not sure I'm able to figure it out
19:10<hdon>nse: <gsimmons> doomcup[eeepc]_: The rt2860sta driver has issues, refer to the wiki page for those that are known. You'll need to use iwpriv instead of iwconfig WRT unencrypted/WEP connections.
19:10<nse>jpinx-eeepc: Sorry, are you able to help me?
19:10<hdon>err
19:10<hdon>sorry nse
19:11<hdon>i meant to direct that at doomcup
19:11<nse>ok np
19:11<doomcup[eeepc]>Okay, but I'm looking at the ioctls for ra0 and I don't see anything for setting essid or such
19:11<nse>No problem to resolve my problem if you don't mind!
19:12<hdon>doomcup[eeepc]: gsimmons tried to direct you here i believe http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta
19:12<hdon>doomcup[eeepc]: there are bugs in your driver that you'll need to work around. info at that page
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19:12<hdon>doomcup[eeepc]: Unlike most wireless cards you can't use the normal iwconfig(8) commands to connnect, you have to use iwpriv(8) instead. I set it up with a WEP access point as below. You can probably get a good idea how to do other configurations by looking at the output of iwpriv ra0 show. Those values are all set with iwpriv ra0 set VARIABLE=Value.
19:12<jpinx-eeepc>!tell nse about alsa checklist
19:13<doomcup[eeepc]>Sorry, but none of these were problems with modules in other distros; why are they a problem here?
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19:13<doomcup[eeepc]>Also, my network is unsecured, does that make a difference?
19:15<jpinx-eeepc>doomcup[eeepc]: did you look at the debian eeepc wiki? I believe there might be progress with more recent kernels
19:15<doomcup[eeepc]>My eeepc is fine
19:15<doomcup[eeepc]>I'm trying to get things working on my desktop
19:15<doomcup[eeepc]>And I see now
19:15*jpinx-eeepc was fooled by your nick... ;)
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19:15<doomcup[eeepc]>A bit of a kludge, but it will have to suffice for now
19:15<doomcup[eeepc]>I'll try that. Thanks
19:16<hdon>doomcup[eeepc]: who are you talking to?
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19:17<doomcup[eeepc]>hdon: It worked
19:17<doomcup[eeepc]>I have wireless on there now
19:17<doomcup[eeepc]>Thanks for your help
19:18<doomcup[eeepc]>I'll just stay on in case something else happens
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19:19<hdon>doomcup[eeepc]: great :) have fun
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19:32<BleK>good evening
19:32<BleK>i have a question on debian mips/mipsel
19:33<BleK>who can help me ?
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19:37<BleK>if i virtualize on my pc a debian mips/mipsel and compile a prog, after can i run it on my router?
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19:57<blubbbb>hi. i have a netbook with a videoresolution of 1024x567 can anyone tell if it is possible to configure a higher virtual resolution and explain me how to do that?
20:02<blubbbb>/topic
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20:03<baghera>Bonsoir tout le monde!
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20:07<damiank>blubbbb try changing /etc/X11/xorg.conf for the modes you need
20:08<damiank>you can search google for info. on the xorg.conf
20:08<damiank>you can setup virtual desktops there too
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20:11<blubbbb>i already searched and get the information to insert http://paste.debian.net/53777/
20:11<blubbbb>to xorg.conf but after i restarted my xserver nothing changed
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20:14<blubbbb>my xorg.conf looks like this http://paste.debian.net/53778/ is there a mistake?
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20:16<fossiiil_>Can you advice se some material about IPTables, but something good...i don't really understand how the various tables (nat/filter/mangle) interact and what really does the RETURN rule...
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21:21<m3onh0x84>hi all,
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21:22<m3onh0x84>I want ask your support of everybody :)
21:22<m3onh0x84>when upgrade to debian 5 testing distro, happen error: can't display video mode optimum resolution 1366x768 60Ghz
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21:30<m3onh0x84>nobody can help me ? :(
21:30<m3onh0x84>:-(
21:31<m3onh0x84>:((
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21:32<mike123>what do you need help with?
21:33<m3onh0x84>when upgrade to debian 5 testing distro, happen error: can't display video mode optimum resolution 1366x768 60Ghz
21:33<m3onh0x84>mike123, thanks
21:33<mike123>does it work with less than optimum, like 1024x768?
21:34<m3onh0x84>mike123, thanks
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21:45<m3onh0x84>thankss all, I have to quit to fix screen
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21:53<Silicium01>Hey everyone. can you recommend a networking book/course online for a beginner? I need to install and configure openvpn. I dont want to bug anyone with questions and would rather spend time and learn networking and how ti works so that ocne I read openvpn instructions i would understand what I'm asked to do
21:53<Silicium01>Can you recommend a good detailed networking book/course that starts as a total beginner and advances to very advanced stuff?
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21:54<fossiiil>docs from netfilter.org? ;-)
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21:55<Silicium01>fossiiil, what is that?
21:55<bithive1>google peter packet
21:56<Silicium01>bithive1, is that regarding my question bithive1 ?
21:58<abrotman>Silicium01: it's a website .. http://netfilter.org/
21:59<Silicium01>abrotman, well righ, it's not a networking book from 0 to advanced
21:59<Silicium01>I cant wander around need a direction
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21:59<cooper>hello!
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22:00<cooper>i am talking to you on a wii
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22:05<bithive1>Silicium01: yes peter packet is great for networking beginners and professionals alike
22:05<Silicium01>bithive1, it says ages 8 to 11
22:06<Silicium01>am I looking at something else or are you guys joking with me?
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22:06<jmarsden>Silicium01: What are you really looking for? http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/gg243376.pdf maybe?
22:06<bithive1>you said you wanted total beginner materials, http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/netacad/packetville/pr/activities_lyrics.html is not bad just because its colorful and uses cartoons
22:07<Silicium01>jmarsden, my goal is to install and configure openvpn, but before I do that I want to know everything I can know about networing
22:07<bithive1>that's a tall order
22:07<Silicium01>so that I dont bug people with questions on configuration
22:07<jmarsden>Silicium01: That ... would take the rest of your life... there is a LOT to know...
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22:07<Silicium01>jmarsden, well, you get the idea right
22:07<bithive1>if you already have a working knowledge of networking I'd say follow one of the tutorials in the openvpn docs and see how far you get
22:07<Silicium01>not "everything I can"
22:07<bithive1>then at least you'll know what you need to learn
22:09<jmarsden>Silicium01: That RedBook isn't bad... but it is close to 1000 pages and that's just a starting point for the field as a whole...
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22:10<jmarsden>If you want a book and are willing to really work at understanding networking, the "bible" is http://www.amazon.com/TCP-IP-Illustrated-1-Protocols/dp/0201633469
22:11<Silicium01>jmarsden, I'm overwhelmed
22:11<jmarsden>Then don't say "before I do that I want to know everything I can know about networing" ... :)
22:11<Silicium01>jmarsden, agreed :)
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22:12<Silicium01>jmarsden, where would you get started if youw ere me?
22:13<Silicium01>say if you had 24 hours to spend on it
22:13<jmarsden>wel, I already have that book for years and saw that RedBook a few years ago too... I'm not you... if you just want a basic TCP/Ip tutorial,... hmmm, where's the link... wait a sec...
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22:13<nisse>hello
22:14<nisse>i am re-installing debian
22:14<nisse>i have xp on one partition,
22:14<nisse>and i have free space
22:14<nisse>for lenny on the other,
22:14<nisse>how can i have debian use lvm + dmcrypt
22:14<adb>!enter
22:14<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
22:14<nisse>thank you adb,
22:15<nisse>however, how can I simply encrypt the partition for one partition, not use the entire disk... that is the entire question.
22:16<nisse>err
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22:16<jmarsden>Silicium01: Well, you could read say 30 pages/hour so that's 720 pages... you *could* read most of TCP/Ip Illustrated in 24 hours, if you are smart. Not in a single day, but in 24 hours spread out over several days :)
22:16<nisse>how can I encrypt simply one partition using dmcrypt, not the entire disk with the debian installer?
22:16<jmarsden>Silicium01: If you just want a really simple intro, http://www.hlug.org/presentations/tcpip/tcpip.html might get you started?? But that's way less than 24 hours worth of material.
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22:17<Silicium01>jmarsden, I think that's a good start
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22:17<Silicium01>I'll come back for more when i'm done
22:18<Silicium01>thanks guys
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22:18<jmarsden>OK, have fun. Check out the Linux Reading List HOWTO for a bunch of suggested reading, BTW.
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22:20<Silicium01>jmarsden, ok cool
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23:11<TGD17>Hey Abrotman !
23:11<TGD17>I am on my debian laptop thanks to you :D
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23:12<abrotman>glad to hear it ..
23:12<abrotman>(just so you know, this is a different network than you were just using)
23:12<TGD17>I know
23:12<amphi>!congratulate TGD17
23:12<dpkg>Good show TGD17, you did it!
23:12<abrotman>okay
23:12<TGD17>I was on freenode
23:12<abrotman>TGD17: that was a long process .. next time just start with the lenny netinst :)
23:12<TGD17>hahaha indeed
23:12<TGD17>will do
23:13<snogglethorpe>anybody with experiences running debian on a netbook?
23:13<snogglethorpe>i'm wondering abuot the viability of a normal install with the flash drive
23:13<snogglethorpe>(dunno, are there netbooks with normal rotating disks?)
23:13<abrotman>snogglethorpe: i have one dual booting
23:13<abrotman>snogglethorpe: yes
23:14<abrotman>snogglethorpe: i have the uh .. HP 1116nr
23:14<snogglethorpe>is it a flash drive?
23:14<TGD17>now I am looking to "install" flash player
23:14<TGD17>aptitude.... something ahahaha
23:14<abrotman>snogglethorpe: it's an SSD i guess
23:14<abrotman>!tell TGD17 about adobe flash
23:14<snogglethorpe>abrotman: do you do anything special (e.g., minimal install, special FS...) or just use normal debian practices?
23:15<snogglethorpe>[most of the websites I've found still mainly seem to talk about "normal" laptops]
23:16<abrotman>snogglethorpe: i didn't .. other than using LXDE which i hadn't before
23:16<snogglethorpe>(lxde?)
23:16<snogglethorpe>ah, a kde/gnome alternative?
23:17<abrotman>!lxde
23:17<dpkg>[lxde] Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment, available for Debian since Lenny. To get LXDE, ask me about <install lxde>. http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:Questions http://www.lxde.org/ #lxde on irc.oftc.net.
23:17<snogglethorpe>interesting
23:18<snogglethorpe>hmm, actually a 16GB drive seems plenty, bigger than my harddisks until laster year!
23:18<abrotman>i think my system (with no real personal data on it) is about 1.2GB or so
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23:19<snogglethorpe>no swap then?
23:19<snogglethorpe>(seems a big dodgy on flash)
23:20<snogglethorpe>big => bit
23:20<abrotman>sure, i think i gave it a little swap
23:20<abrotman>you can also use a swap file
23:21<snogglethorpe>hm
23:21<snogglethorpe>does the processor ever seem annoyingly slow?
23:22<abrotman>nope, i think it boots to GDM in about 15-20 seconds
23:22<snogglethorpe>i'm kinda looking for a machine I can use to do a bit hacking (er, the software kind) in a cafe or whatever
23:22<snogglethorpe>(so probably want to compile stuff, but don't expect blistering speed)
23:23<abrotman>snogglethorpe: i'd say the most important part is to try it first-hand so you can try the keyboard
23:23<snogglethorpe>yeah
23:23<snogglethorpe>i also hate laptops with hot spots underneat the needs/pad, so i wanna try to avoid that too
23:23<snogglethorpe>luckily there are lots of stores with big selectiosn near me
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23:24<abrotman>snogglethorpe: the only reason i got mine was because it was a refurb for $200
23:24<snogglethorpe>that sounds pretty tasty...
23:24<snogglethorpe>if you don't like it, just chuck it in the trash :)
23:24<abrotman>not quite that .. but i wouldn't feel bad giving it away
23:26<abrotman>snogglethorpe: http://netbookroundup.com/deals/best-buy-has-hp-1116nr-mini-for-299-99/ .. is what it is
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23:27*abrotman waves
23:27<newsense>anyone here using the rt73 wireless chipset ?
23:27<newsense>hi abrotman
23:27<abrotman>!rt73
23:27<dpkg>The Ralink RT73 USB chipset (RT2501USB/RT2571W) is supported by the next-generation driver (rt73usb), included in mainline kernels since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware> to provide. For driver and firmware installation on Etch systems, see http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73
23:27<abrotman>newsense: that was a goodbye wave :)
23:27<newsense>oh ok
23:27<newsense>you leaving or should i, lol
23:28<newsense>rt73 driver is buggy
23:28<newsense>was wondering if there was a workaround or alternative
23:28<newsense>rt73usb is bad too
23:28<snogglethorpe>ugh, the whole firmware thing is annoying
23:28<gsimmons>newsense: Didn't you say your problem was resolved with use of 2.6.31?
23:28<newsense>is the firmware the prolem ?
23:29<snogglethorpe>can't these manufs at least just keep the last bit of firmware in flash so you don't haveh to load anything?
23:29<newsense>gsimmons: it was stable for longer than with .30 but the problem occured again
23:29<gsimmons>newsense: Have you tried the trunk 2.6.32 kernel?
23:30<newsense>gsimmons: no i looked around and found no evidence of a fix with that kernel
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23:36<snogglethorpe>hmm
23:37<newsense>is that a hmm you have an answer to my problem :)
23:37<snogglethorpe>i wonder, will netbooks that ship using android be more likely to use linux-friendly devices...
23:37<snogglethorpe>newsense: no of course
23:37<snogglethorpe>not
23:37<newsense>i didn't think so
23:37<snogglethorpe>but is the problem a missing driver, or missing firmware...?
23:37<newsense>neither
23:37<snogglethorpe>oh
23:37<newsense>both are in place but the interface goes down on its own
23:38<snogglethorpe>it just doesn't work?
23:38<snogglethorpe>that's way out of my league...
23:38<newsense>yeah same here
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23:55<user01_>how do i login with my registered irc name if someone is using it?
23:56<dr|z3d>user01_: /msg nickserv ghost <yournick> <pass>
23:57<user01_>dr|z3d, cool thanks :)
23:58-!-user01_ is now known as user01
23:59<user01>thats better
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