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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-12-17

---Logopened Thu Dec 17 00:00:08 2009
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00:01<mauricio>nnn
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00:06<gsimmons>sanduz2: ath9k supports WPA2. ifdown wlan0, add 'wpa-debug-level 1' to /e/n/i, ifup wlan0. After about a minute, pastebin the contents of /var/log/wpa_supplicant.wlan0.log somewhere (your PSK won't be stated in the log).
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00:27<sanduz2>doing it now gsimmons
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00:36<Guest370>hey
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00:42<sanduz2>gsimmons it looks like that parameter you told me to add isnt creating any sort of log file, i tried putting it in a different spot (i have it under the auto wlan0, iface wlan0 inet dhcp stuff in the config file), i also searched the whole system for a log file like the one you suggested and none exists
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00:44<hadet>Hello
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00:55<rez_>hello
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01:02<prem>hi all
01:03<prem>is debian having conio.h library..i searched but couldnt find a proper package in debian repo
01:03<prem>how to include conio.h library in a C progam..?
01:04<kmap>prem: No. That's Turbo C
01:04<kmap>prem: You need to port the program, say with the ncurses library
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01:05<prem>kmap, sorry i didnt get you..porting the program means..?
01:06<prem>do i need to install turbo C in my debian..?
01:06<kmap>prem: You need to rewrite the programs using the libraries available for GNU/Linux.
01:06<prem>cant i go with gcc?
01:06<kmap>No. conio.h is MS-DOS-only
01:07<kmap>http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/NCURSES-Programming-HOWTO/ if you're interested in learning how to port
01:07<prem>ok kmap ..is that the only way..where can i find equivalent commands for clrcsr , getch....
01:08<prem>thanks kmap..i will try and tell you
01:08<kmap>They are all present in ncurses. For example, the equivalents for your functions would be clear(), getch etc.
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01:10<kmap>prem: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=125019
01:11<kmap>prem: http://www.wence.vandermeersch.org/gconio/ ← again, from a web search.
01:12<prem>thanks kmap ..i think gconio will fit for my propgram
01:12<kmap>prem: Sure. But learning ncurses is also useful, so put it on your TODO list.
01:12<prem>yeah sure kmap
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01:14<gsimmons>sanduz2: WFM, 'ifup -v wlan0' will report "wpa_supplicant: using debug level: 1" if you defined it correctly.
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01:52<sanduz2>gsimmons i looked at some syslogs and was able to figure it out. it looks like i cannot disable SSID broadcast. i enabled it and it worked. thank you so much for all your help.
01:53<sanduz2>gsimmons do you happen to know a way to get it working with a disabled broadcast?
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02:30<Guest378>ciao a tutti, si puo scaricare con questo software?
02:30<gsimmons>sanduz2: Right, its debug goes to syslog post-Lenny unless 'wpa-logfile' is specified. As described in wpasupplicant's README.Debian, you'll probably need to use 'wpa-ap-scan 1' and 'wpa-scan-ssid 1' to associate with a hidden SSID.
02:33<Lethalman>!it
02:33<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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02:34<Guest378>grazie
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02:34<sanduz2>thanks a bunch for all your help gsimmons, ill give that a try
02:34<Lethalman>Guest378, se ti serve aiuto per debian comunque vai su freenode
02:34<Lethalman>se è per scaricare o altro, è meglio che non chiedi proprio qui :)
02:35<Guest378>perche?
02:36<Lethalman>Guest378, perché non avrai supporto
02:36<Lethalman>o il contrario
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02:37<Guest378>non voglio supporto, sono nuovo di ubuntu e volevo solo saperesequesto e tipo il mirc per win.....
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02:38<jm_>first of all speak english here, second: ubuntu is supported elsewhere
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04:34<toozzer>hello all
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04:38<toozzer>there are russian?
04:39<jmm>hi
04:39<jmm>!ru
04:39<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
04:40<toozzer>thanks
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04:43<sam_>|print
04:43<sam_>!print
04:43<dpkg>A printer is an output device to physical objects. Ask me about <cups-setup>, <cups>, <printconf> or use foomatic-gui for more information on how you can get your printer working under Debian.
04:43<sam_>!cups
04:43<dpkg>cups is probably the Common UNIX Printing System. CUPS provides a portable printing layer for UNIX-based operating systems and supports the Internet Printing Protocol. To install, ask me about <cups setup>. See also <debug cups>. http://cups.org/articles.php?L+TFAQ http://www.cups.org/ ##cups on irc.freenode.net.
04:43<sam_>!debug cups
04:43<dpkg>To debug problems with <CUPS>: 'grep HINT /var/log/cups/error_log'. See also http://cups.org/articles.php?L198+TFAQ+Q
04:44<noflash>sam_, please msg the bot
04:44<sam_>wow
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04:47<sam_>guys
04:47<sam_>I really need help
04:47<sam_>my printer worked yesterday
04:47<sam_>but it doesn't work now
04:47<sam_>but I reinstalled debian between yesterday and today
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04:51<sam_>E [17/Dec/2009:04:50:06 -0500] CUPS-Delete-Printer: Unauthorized
04:51<sam_>E [17/Dec/2009:04:50:20 -0500] CUPS-Delete-Printer: Unauthorized
04:51<sam_>E [17/Dec/2009:04:50:39 -0500] CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer: Unauthorized
04:51<sam_>what does it mean
04:57<sam_>helpp
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04:58<sam_>I neeed help
04:59<bittin>ask?
05:01<sam_>my printer doesn't work
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05:09<sam_>!print
05:09<dpkg>A printer is an output device to physical objects. Ask me about <cups-setup>, <cups>, <printconf> or use foomatic-gui for more information on how you can get your printer working under Debian.
05:10<sam_>!cups-setup
05:10<dpkg>well, cups setup is "aptitude install cupsys cupsys-bsd foomatic-db". Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! Optionally install the printconf package to automatically install attached printers. To troubleshoot printing problems, ask me about <debug cups>.
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05:40<detly>hi - can I ask about formatting and partitioning in here? (let's not get pedantic about the phrasing of that :P )
05:40<petemc>if you're using debian, sure
05:41<BdN3504>i can't get my computer to work with wol. it's a debian 5 lenny machine on a gigabyte ga 5ax mainboard with a typhoon nic using a 3com chipset. i did everything described here: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/122
05:41<detly>of course :) basically, I have a single USB external HDD that I'd like to split as: half UDF and half truecrypt... is this possible, or does UDF require the entire device to be formatted?
05:42<BdN3504>it's the 3CR990-TX-97 [Typhoon 168-bit] chipset
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05:43<jm_>UDF on a disk?
05:43<BdN3504>the "etherwake -Di <mac>" gives me a success message "Sendto worked ! 116." but the machine does not power on.
05:44<BdN3504>when executing ethtool eth1 it lists the wake-on status as "g"
05:44<detly>jm_ - sure... I figured that's the best way to be able to use it with multiple OS' with posix-type permissions
05:44<BdN3504>the nic is powered, even if the machine is switched off, the rx/tx LEDs are blinking
05:45<detly>correct me if the idea is fundamentally misguided...
05:46<BdN3504>the machine is in a network which uses the subnet 255.255.0.0 does this affect etherwake/wakeonlan in any way?
05:46<jm_>detly: hmm it should work on a device file
05:46<detly>what should?
05:46<jm_>mkudffs
05:47<fredz>Is there a Debian equivalent of winSCP ?
05:47<perk>fredz, yes, scp
05:47<BdN3504>lol
05:47<perk>fredz, or do you mean a graphical ui?
05:47<fredz>garphical please
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05:48<perk>fredz, in that case you can check out sshfs, which can mount fs over ssh, and then use your favourite file explorer ui app
05:48<perk>s/ui/gui/
05:48<fredz>ty
05:48<BdN3504>or use mc
05:48<perk>np hth
05:48<perk>BdN3504, mc can do scp?
05:48<BdN3504>i think so
05:48<detly>bareftp might also fit the bill
05:49<pato>Hi, for some reasons i installed gnome. I have had installed fluxbox. Everything had been running ok until i uninstalled gnome. Now when i log in using xdm, i get only black screen with cursor on it. I thought it has something to do with alternatives so i ran update-alternatives and choose startfluxbox instead of metacity. But nothing has changed. I can use fluxbox only if i declare it in ~/.xsession. It would not be the worst choice for me, but it doesnt run oth
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05:49<perk>BdN3504, it seems mc + sshfs or the option "Shell Link" is what people do
05:50<BdN3504>perk: do you know anything about wol?
05:50<perk>pato, xdm uses .xsession iirc
05:50<perk>BdN3504, how come?
05:50<petemc>filezilla does sftp
05:50<BdN3504>i need help, i can
05:50<jm_>pato: standard init script runs x-session-manager before x-window-manager, did you verify that?
05:50<BdN3504>not get it to work
05:51<perk>petemc, yeah. but isn't sshfs the more *nixy way? :-)
05:51<petemc>fredz: you can use sftp:// in nautilus or konqueror
05:51<BdN3504>i described the problem above, but i'll describe it again if you want.
05:51<petemc>i dont know about *nixy way
05:51<pato>jm_: not yet, i am gonna check it. just a moment please.
05:51<petemc>if someone wants a replacement for winscp, i dont think sshfs is that
05:52<jm_>secpanel - A graphical user interface for SSH and SCP
05:52<perk>wasn't there a discussion here yesterday that you should forget all about windows when you go *nix?
05:52<petemc>sounds like a stupid thing to say
05:52<perk>petemc, no, but it is an alternative
05:53<pato>/etc/alternatives/x-session-manager is symlink tu /usr/bin/lxterm.
05:54<perk>petemc, what is stupid to say?
05:54<petemc>forget all about windows..
05:54<perk>why
05:55<petemc>...
05:55<perk>brilliant motivation
05:55<detly>jm_ - I haven't done any partitioning yet (the drive will be busy for a while yet), but do you know of the top of your head if fdisk lets me create a partition without specifying the type?
05:56<jm_>detly: it does, but it will assign default type, you can write whatever you want there anyway
05:56<detly>okay, right
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05:57<detly>thanks :)
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05:59<pato>jm_: ok, i just check manual pages of fluxbox. It is not correct symlink, there should be symlink to /usr/bin/fluxbox . Am i right?
06:00<pato>jm_: i mean symlink for x-session-manager .
06:00<jm_>pato: no, fluxbox is a window manager, not a session manager
06:00<jm_>so x-window-manager should link to it
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06:02<jm_>which it does if I udnerstood you correctly, but your problem is most likely you also have x-session-manager set and that one has higher priority (see /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50x11-common_determine-startup)
06:02<pato>jm_: ok, i got it. x-window-manager is symlink to /usr/bin/fluxbox . What should be symlinked to x-session-manager instead of /usr/bin/lxterm ?
06:04<jm_>pato: session managers are gnome, kde, icewm-session etc. I find it surprising lxterm sets that, it should be x-terminal-emulator
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06:04<jm_>pato: update-alternatives --list x-session-manager
06:05<jm_>see what it offers on your system
06:06<pato>jm_: It is always confusing me. I am going to check it.
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06:07<jm_>(x-terminal-emulator is started last, as a save my ass option)
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06:07<pato>jm_: it gives me /usr/bin/lxsession .
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06:08<jm_>pato: ok so that's LXDE stuff
06:11<jm_>reading its docs I see one can configure which window manager to start in /etc/xdg/lxsession/<foo>/config
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06:13<jm_>or remove it if you don't use it I guess
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06:16<pato>jm_: thanks, but there is no /etc/xdg/lxsession/
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06:17<peej>I've put some google code up (for debian users) and I wanna set up a mailing list or discussion board for it. Suggestions?
06:17<jm_>pato: how about dpkg -S lxsession|grep config?
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06:20<pato>jm_: it gives me nothing unfortunatly.
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06:21<jm_>pato: do you have lxsession-lite installed?
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06:23<pato>jm_: No, i dont. I have installed only lxsession. But if use aptitude search lxsession it shows me that lxsesson-lite is dummy package and it can be safely removed.
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06:24<jm_>pato: check which files ar ein lxsession then
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06:30<pato>jm_: If you mean dpkg -S lxsession , there is no config files , there are only some images, compressed man pages .. But no config file or whatever could help me.
06:31<jm_>pato: dpkg -L lxsession
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06:31<jm_>pato: right, the lxsession binary is in lxsession-lite on lenny according to apt-file, that's why I mentioned that one earlier
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06:35<davi>Does last version of ekiga allow multivideo conference?
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06:37<pato>jm_: dpkg -L lxsessino gives me same output. It shows me file under /usr/share/ /usr/doc/ and binary file lxsession and lxsession-logout.
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06:41<jm_>pato: ok, so maybe config file is in another file or it simply uses built-in defaults (with no config file)
06:42<jm_>pato: you can also check this - simply run pstree -l after starting X
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06:55<pato>jm_: thanks for nice hint. Now i can see xdm. It looks like this: xdm -- ck-session-manager -- sh -- fluxbox
06:58<jm_>pato: so it did start fluxbox then?
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07:00<pato>jm_: yes, but only if i run echo "fluxbox" >> ~/.xsession . But before i uninstalled gnome i was able to startup fluxbox without ~/.xsession file
07:00<jm_>pato: ok see what happens without .xsession
07:01<pato>jm_: I can see login promprt provided by xdm. So i type login and password, both correct and then i get only black screen with cursor.
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07:02<jm_>pato: sorry I meant what you see in pstree output
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07:03<pato>jm_: it is ok.
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07:11<imho>:-) :-| :-( [SCOTTY]-[SCOTTSDALE]-[WHITE 89 4D MERCEDES NO BUMPER]-[DHCP REASIGNMENT]-[ http://70.190.119.56 ]-[UPDATED 12-17-2009] (-: |-: )-:
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07:11<locklace>i hate the internet
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07:12<pato>jm_: ok, if i remove ~/.xsession file and then run xdm, i can see line xdm -- ck-session-manager and two processes depending to ck-session-manager.
07:12<jm_>pato: what is ck-session-manager then?
07:13<pato>i am sorry. i am going to try to explain it better. :)
07:14<pato>That line looks like this: xdm -- ck-session-manager and then its two child processes ssh-agent and x-session-manager
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07:14<pato>hopefully it is better.
07:15<antonio>configure: error: Unable to find your html image directory
07:15<antonio>qmail help
07:15<antonio>anyone good with qmail?
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07:16<jm_>pato: ok and x-session-manager is lxsession right? do you want to use LXDE?
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07:17<pato>jm_: yes, it is.
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07:24<pato>jm_: What i want is to start my fluxbox as it was possible before i used to do before i installed gnome. LXDE is graphic enviroment and fluxbox is window manager :) That is what i found out yet9~ I have never had installed LXDE.
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07:27<jm_>pato: how about if you uninstall lxde then?
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07:30<pato>jm_: i have not had installed lxde yet.
07:31<jm_>pato: well why is session manager set to lxsession then?
07:32<pato>jm_: i dont know. Do you know what is supposed to be there instead of lxsession?
07:32<jm_>pato: whatever user wants to be used
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07:34<jm_>pato: so if you don't want lxsession to work as it, uninstall whatever has set lxsession as an x-session-manager alternative
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07:38<pato>jm_: I think i finally got it. There should be xsm instead of lxsession to start fluxbox.
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07:38<namektran>hello
07:39<namektran>can someone help me update transmission to the last version
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07:39<jm_>pato: that's only if you want to use session manager, if you don't, you simply not have it set and it'll move on to x-window-manager
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07:40<namektran>uhm
07:40<pato>jm_: ok, so i could only remove x-session-manager group from update-alternatives and everything should be ok again. Am i right?
07:41<jm_>pato: yes, that's why I said to uninstall lxsession stuff
07:41<pato>jm_: ok, thanks. i am going to try it.
07:41<OverKill>ok. i'm here.
07:41<namektran>can someone help me update transmssion to the last vesion
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07:42<nsm>hi
07:43<namektran>hi
07:43<nsm>i have a problem with large uploads to an apache web server
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07:43<nsm>the uploads stop after an hour
07:43<namektran>uhm sry im new
07:43<namektran>:D
07:43<namektran>i cant help
07:43<nsm>ok, no problem
07:43<namektran>buut can u help me update transmission
07:44<nsm>anybody can help me?
07:44<jm_>there is a setting to configure upload size limit and request limit AFAIR
07:44<nsm>jm what are the name of that settings?
07:44<namektran>jm_ can u help me 2
07:44<locklace>!u
07:44<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
07:45<jm_>namektran: you already have the latest available for your release most likely, which release is it?
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07:45<namektran>i want b 1.76
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07:45<GattoDiSchrodinger>hi
07:45<pato>jm_: I uninstalled lxsession and remove ~/.xsession and everything is ok. Thank you very much for your time and hints. Thanks. It works great again.
07:45<jm_>pato: cool
07:46<GattoDiSchrodinger>today by starting the PC I got the error GRUB error 21. I tried to reset several times but nothing. In the end I removed and reattached the power and it booted.
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07:46<namektran>jm_, but i got 1.22
07:46<GattoDiSchrodinger>This error should mean that grub can not find the grub.conf, but nothing has changed on my system.
07:46<pato>jm_: i think so. Probably you are much happier than me :D
07:46<GattoDiSchrodinger>is possible that my hard drive is no longer good?
07:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 392] by debhelper
07:47<jm_>nsm: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html see Limit* directives
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07:47<jm_>namektran: answer my question?
07:47<namektran>um
07:47<namektran>what was u question :D
07:48<nsm>thanks a lot
07:48<nikitos_pav>hello
07:48<jm_>GattoDiSchrodinger: are you using grub 1?
07:48<GattoDiSchrodinger>jm_: yes
07:48<jm_>GattoDiSchrodinger: then it means selected disk not found
07:49<namektran>jm_, i got Transmission 1.22(6191)
07:49<jm_>namektran: cat /etc/debian_version
07:49<namektran>jm_, 5.0.3
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07:50<jm_>namektran: that seems to be the latest available for 5.0
07:50<namektran>oh
07:50<jm_>namektran: you can get 1.76 in testing
07:50<GattoDiSchrodinger>jm_: and what could be the reason, since nothing has changed on my disks?
07:50<namektran>i want that
07:50<jm_>GattoDiSchrodinger: do you only have one disk in the system?
07:51<GattoDiSchrodinger>no, 2 disks
07:51<nikitos_pav>got a question about vmware
07:51<jm_>does BIOS always detect all the disks?
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07:51<GattoDiSchrodinger>yes
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07:52<jm_>hard to say but it sounds like a BIOS bug, i.e. it might no popu;ate drive number properly and GRUB tries to read from wrong disk
07:52<namektran>jm,_ how can i get test version
07:53<jm_>namektran: /msg dpkg testing and read all of it before you decide to upgrade
07:53<namektran>k
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07:56<GattoDiSchrodinger>jm_: could be helpful to use UUID instead of / dev / hdx in menu.lst?
07:57<jm_>GattoDiSchrodinger: I doubt that would help, and I don't think grub1 can do that
07:57<namektran>jm_, i want testing version
07:57<GattoDiSchrodinger>ok
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08:35<domovoi>êòî ñëûøèò ìåíÿ?
08:36<locklace>!ru
08:36<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
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09:20<monitor>como instalar programas no debian
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09:22<monitor>como instalar programas no debian
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09:22<Yoda`Taff>!br
09:22<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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09:25<ComradeHaz>Hi all. Is there an issue with the texlive packages that will be fixed by the maintainer?
09:25<ComradeHaz>I'm getting a big dependencies mess and have been for over a week.
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09:28<Tuplad>I've used unetbootin to make my usb bootable, yet when I reboot it doesn't boot, just goes straight to grub. can I somehow point in grub to my usb stick to make it forceload so I can check if it works ? tried formatting as fat32 and ntfs, neither work :(
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09:28<Tuplad>ext3 I mean, not ntfs
09:29<petemc>Tuplad: does your bios support booting from usb?
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09:29<Tuplad>petemc: yes, and it's also configured to first boot from usb.
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09:34<GattoDiSchrodinger>hi
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09:35<GattoDiSchrodinger>i tested the dosk where grub is installed with smart. i got some errors: http://pastebin.ca/1718211
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09:36<GattoDiSchrodinger>could be the cause of the GRUB error 21?
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09:40<ComradeHaz>Tuplad, I suggest you unplug your internam HDD's while you get your install ontyo USB stick done
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09:41<ComradeHaz>Also, you will need to refer to the usb stick by name, not number
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09:41<ComradeHaz>as that will be dynamic
09:41<ComradeHaz>Sadly, I forget how you do that :)
09:41<Tuplad>I have to unplug my harddisk while I'm making my usb stick bootale ? o_O
09:41<Tuplad>bootable*
09:42<ComradeHaz>You don't have to
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09:42<Tuplad>That sounds crazy
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09:42<ComradeHaz>but when it installs grub it will take into account all your drives
09:43<Tuplad>ComradeHaz: so, what do I have to do with my harddrives ? I didn't understand
09:43<ComradeHaz>there are options, but I'm a noob. When I made mine, I found just pulled out the cables to my other drives
09:44<Tuplad>ComradeHaz: if I pull out my drives, I won't be able to boot into linux to make my usb stick...
09:44<ComradeHaz>oh, you're doing it like that
09:44<ComradeHaz>in which case ignore me totally :)
09:44<Tuplad>lol :p
09:44<Tuplad>ok
09:44<ComradeHaz>(I just installed to my USB stick)
09:45<Tuplad>I've used unetbootin to make my usb bootable, yet when I reboot it doesn't boot, just goes straight to grub and loads my system. can I somehow point in grub to my usb stick to make it load by force so I can check if it works ? tried formatting as fat32 and ext3, neither work :(
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09:45<ComradeHaz>right, got ya...
09:45<Getty>after using unetbootin your stick is bootable <point>
09:45<ComradeHaz>try doing update-grub
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09:45<Getty>if you see grub starting your own system, then its booting your harddisc
09:45<Titan8990>Tuplad, sure your board supports USB boot? did you try to select it from the boot menu?
09:46<Titan8990>Tuplad, unetbootin does not use grub, it uses syslinux
09:46<Getty>mostly you didnt set the right bootorder, or... your system just cant boot by USB
09:46<Tuplad>Titan8990: I'm not saying it uses grub, I'm saying it completely ignores the usb stick and goes to my grub to load my system :p
09:46<Tuplad>Titan8990: I went to bios and selected usb as first boot device.
09:46<Getty>then it cant boot from that stick
09:46<Getty><point>
09:46<Tuplad>:o
09:47<ComradeHaz>Getty, what he's saying is his system seems to think the drive is non-bootable
09:47<Getty>there is no guarantee that every usb stick works for this, even tho they should, reality always s***s
09:47<ComradeHaz>He wants to clarify this by trying to chainload from grub
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09:47<Getty>which doesnt change anything
09:47<ComradeHaz>well, he should be able to point grub at it
09:47<Getty>that problem has nothing todo with software, its a pure hardware problem
09:48<Getty>ComradeHaz: then you just started up another device by booting your harddrive, still doesnt say anything if the usb stick is bootable at all
09:48<ComradeHaz>maybe
09:48<ComradeHaz>He might have messed up the install
09:48<Getty>ComradeHaz: Booting != Loading Root Device
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09:48<Getty>ComradeHaz: Booting != Loading Kernel
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09:48<ComradeHaz>sure
09:48<ComradeHaz>but it will allow him to narrow the problem down, surely?
09:48<Getty>beside the fact that grub cant load a SYSLINUX device as far as i know
09:49<pattabi>i have sound problems...
09:49<Getty>no it will not :)
09:49<gsimmons>GattoDiSchrodinger: The errors in your device log occured long ago (5077 power-on hours vs its current 21481 hours). Run a self-test.
09:49<Getty>Tuplad: some more computer then this one around you?
09:49<Tuplad>I have a sandisk cruzer micro, I've had the same stick which worked, the stick works fine, can open, format, do whatever... but can't seem to boot. the other one did boot.
09:49<pattabi>my soundcard is not detected...
09:49<Getty>then its the stick
09:50<Tuplad>Getty: no
09:50<Getty>bad
09:50<Tuplad>very ;(
09:50<Getty>i can just tell you
09:50<GattoDiSchrodinger>gsimmons: how can i run a self-test?
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09:50<Getty>you cant do anything wrong with unetbootin
09:50<Getty>it just works or not, and you cant do anything against it
09:50<Getty>anything else is digging in dirt
09:51<gsimmons>GattoDiSchrodinger: man smartctl
09:51<Tuplad>crap
09:51<Getty>sorry ;) just reality
09:51<GattoDiSchrodinger>ok
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09:54<Getty>ComradeHaz: btw, another hint, why it doesnt narrow it down: if it would be a problem with Loading Rootdevice or Loading Kernel, then you would get a blank screen, cause the booting must have been successful then
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09:59<Tuplad>Getty: hopla!
09:59<Getty>mkay?
09:59<Tuplad>Getty: got on my brother's computer and the usb works nicely :)
09:59<Getty>see
09:59<Tuplad>weird...
09:59<Getty>thats what i said
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09:59<Getty>dont think about it
09:59<Getty>you talk about a very dirty area
10:00<Getty>the booting process is the oldest stuff still used everywhere, and USB sticks are the worst produced piece of technology ever, and there are millions of bad cases
10:00<Getty>its really not worth spending time in understanding
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10:05<Tuplad>:o
10:06<Tuplad>why that
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10:10<gboutwel_>I need to instal debian stable [lenny] in VPC. But when I run the installer it does and kills the VPC. Anyone familiar with this problem and work arounds?
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10:14<xfail>privet
10:14<xfail>xD
10:15<xfail>isn't ubuntu server?
10:15<xfail>ù_U
10:15<locklace>!slap xfail
10:15*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across xfail's face
10:15<Tuplad>!ru
10:15<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
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10:16<xfail>ok brat
10:17<xfail>spasibo
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10:18<xfail>!es
10:18<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:18<xfail>!cat
10:18<dpkg>it has been said that cat is a program in Unix and Unix-like operating systems that concatenates the contents of files, reading from a list of files and/or standard input in sequence and writing their contents in order to standard output. cat takes the list of files as arguments but also interprets the argument "-" as standard input. See also <more> and <less>.
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10:18<xfail>!ca
10:18<dpkg>i guess ca is Certificate Authority. It's required when browsers check your SSL certs with the CA's digital signature. Also ask me about <ssl> and <rootca>.
10:19<xfail>:O
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10:19<xfail>bye friends
10:19<xfail>see you
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10:21<GattoDiSchrodinger>gsimmons: #smartctl -t long /dev/hda: # 1 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 21482
10:22<GattoDiSchrodinger>so maybe the problem is a BIOS bug
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10:27<Gunther>hi. can i forbid the installation of certain package with apt pinning for all of its versions? i don't know what to fill in in the "pin" field
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10:33<Titan8990>Gunther, it would only be installed if you explicity told a package to be installed or installed a package that depended on it
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10:34<Titan8990>Gunther, so its not going to install itself...
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10:43<gboutwel_>Anyone can help get a working Debian lenny install in a VPC? The installer fails immediately after choosing Install and the virtual machine goes away.
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10:43<Titan8990>gboutwel_, what is VPC?
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10:44<gboutwel_>Titan8990: Virtual PC - Microsoft's Virtual Machine software like VMWare, etc
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10:44<Titan8990>!virtualbox
10:44<dpkg>[virtualbox] a virtual machine solution. VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is available for Lenny and as a backport for Etch. To install, ask me about <vbox-install lenny>, <vbox-install etch> or <vbox-install squeeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>.
10:45<Titan8990>gboutwel_, why, given all the choices for virtualization did you choose the one with least amount of features and developed my microsoft?
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10:46<Titan8990>gboutwel_, I imagine that microsoft's support for Linux guest's is not great
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10:47<gboutwel_>Titan8990: Don't have much of a choice (company policies lean toward Microsoft solutions for EVERYTHING), Virtual PC works well enough for me...
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10:47<gboutwel_>Titan8990: It's support for linux clients is fine. I have install many Linux's include other versions of Debian
10:48<retroj>hello. i use pon/pppd to connect to the internet over a modem. i also have a network card (eth0) for my home network. my problem is that if I put "auto eth0" in my /etc/network/interfaces, then my system tries to access the internet via my home network, rather than my dialup (ppp0). can anyone help?
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10:49<gboutwel_>Titan8990: this appears to be a bug in the Linux kernel that is used in the installer.
10:51<locklace>gboutwel_: try a backport installer image
10:51<locklace>!kmuto
10:51<dpkg>For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm
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10:57<gboutwel_>locklace: ok... gotta run to a meeting, thanks for the tip, I'll check those out.
10:57<Gunther>Titan8990: i'm worried that i might overlook that it is going to be installed as a dependency
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10:58<retroj>i think i see my error. i had a "gateway" option in my iface eth0 stanza, left over from a previous setup
10:58<Titan8990>Gunther, well, if that is the case you will not be able to install the application that depends on it
10:58<Titan8990>Gunther, what package is it?
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10:59<Gunther>perl-suid
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11:02<Gunther>Titan8990: perl-suid
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11:07<Titan8990>Gunther, looks like your good as long as you don't install kfloppy
11:08<Gunther>Titan8990: so there's no apt enforcement for that problem?
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11:09<Titan8990>Gunther, i don't see it as a problem, but there might be a way
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11:20<Gunther>Titan8990: i just figured out: Package: perl-suid Pin: release v=* Pin-Priority: -1 does the trick. actually, that should have been quite obvious. i'm ashamed... thanks for your help, anyway
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11:46<SimonBS>Hi. Can anybody help me compiling the latest version of Gnome-Do for Debian 5.0 Lenny?
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11:49<Titan8990>SimonBS, no, probably shouldn't be manually compiling it
11:49<Titan8990>!ssb
11:49<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
11:50<SimonBS>Oh wel.. Hmm.
11:51<SimonBS>!backports
11:51<dpkg>[backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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11:53<papul>hi guys :)
11:54<SimonBS>papul, hey.
11:54<SimonBS>Titan8990, what source should I add?
11:55<Titan8990>!bpo
11:55<dpkg>backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
11:55<Titan8990>!bpo mirrors
11:55<dpkg>Servers mirroring backports.org content are listed at http://www.backports.org/debian/README.mirrors (copy at http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/backports.org/README.mirrors.html).
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11:57<SimonBS>Getting an error.
11:57<Titan8990>from what?
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11:58<Titan8990>SimonBS, what command?
11:58<SimonBS>apt-get install build-essential :-/
11:58<Titan8990>SimonBS, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
11:58<Titan8990>SimonBS, then pastebin the full error
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11:59<papul>bye
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12:00<SimonBS>Titan8990, Oh well, some of it is on danish, but I hope you get the essential.
12:01<SimonBS>Titan8990, http://pastebin.org/66030 http://pastebin.org/66031
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12:02<SimonBS>I'm not sure, if Im using the right source, but I think so.
12:02<Titan8990>NOOOO
12:02<Titan8990>never pastebin.org
12:02<Gunther>i was just comparing the output of "apt-rdepends -s Depends kdenetwork-filesharing" against the "Depends" section printed by "aptitude show kdenetwork-filesharing" and noticed that they differ. how come?
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12:02<Titan8990>it recently showed up and it has very bad ads... like ones with sound and ones that try to get you to buy rogue a/v software
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12:03<SimonBS>Titan8990, oh well. What do you prefer then? ;-)
12:03<Titan8990>SimonBS, pastebin.com
12:03<Titan8990>!paste
12:03<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
12:03<Titan8990>pastie.org and dpaste.com are also fine
12:03<SimonBS>Okay.
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12:04<SimonBS>Titan8990, http://pastebin.com/m5a9cf55b http://pastebin.com/m4932db0d
12:07<Titan8990>SimonBS, remove this line: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free
12:07<Titan8990>SimonBS, then add contirb and non-free repos for the dk repos
12:07<Titan8990>SimonBS, after that, `aptitude update`
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12:10<Titan8990>judd, versions libevolution3.0-cil
12:10<judd>Titan8990: libevolution3.0-cil -- lenny: 0.17.1-2
12:10<Titan8990>SimonBS, try `aptitude reinstall libevolution3.0-cil`
12:10<Titan8990>SimonBS, build-essential is already installed
12:11<SimonBS>Titan8990, just a second. Having troubles finding the right repos.
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12:12<SimonBS>Titan8990, deb http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian etch main non-free contrib
12:12<SimonBS>deb ftp://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free
12:12<SimonBS>Titan8990, could that be what I'm looking for?
12:13<SimonBS>deb http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib
12:13<SimonBS>deb-src http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib
12:13<Titan8990>SimonBS, yep, thats right
12:13<SimonBS>Titan8990, Uhm.. The first or the second pair I posted?
12:13<Titan8990>well, 2nd two are right, the ones that say etch are not
12:14<SimonBS>Great. That's what I thought.
12:15<SimonBS>Titan8990, build-essential seems to still be giving an error, libevolution3.0-cil is not.
12:15<Titan8990>SimonBS, thats not an error, its just telling you that its already installed
12:16<Titan8990>if my google translation is correct
12:16<SimonBS>Give me a second. I'll see if I can change my language and do a new pastebin
12:16<sney>SimonBS: if you do LANG=C before running a command on the same line, it'll ouptut in english
12:17<SimonBS>sney, oh thanks. That's nice.
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12:20<SimonBS>Titan8990, http://pastebin.com/m45f4fd5b http://pastebin.com/m31b6fe61
12:23<Titan8990>SimonBS, i meant to for you add "non-free" and "contrib" to your existing repo
12:23<Titan8990>SimonBS, you have two duplicates now, remove the
12:23<Titan8990>them
12:24<SimonBS>Titan8990, oh. This is embarrassing.
12:24<Titan8990>SimonBS, no its not, everyone learns
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12:28<SimonBS>Titan8990, still getting the error for some reason.
12:28<Titan8990>SimonBS, what was the result of `aptitude reinstall libevolution3.0-cil`?
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12:30<SimonBS>Titan8990, http://pastebin.com/m33a2bf31
12:31<Titan8990>SimonBS, alright your only problem now is with libevolution3.0-cil
12:31<Titan8990>SimonBS, it looks like its because of this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=513454
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12:34<SimonBS>Titan8990, aha, I see. I guess I'm just gonna follow the three steps then.
12:37<SimonBS>Let me try.. hm.
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12:38<SimonBS>Titan8990, according to the answer for the bug, http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/evolution-sharp/libevolution5.0-cil_0.20.0-1_i386.deb, should do it, right?
12:39<Titan8990>SimonBS, I couldn't say
12:39<Titan8990>that could be intended for unstable, which is most likely
12:40<SimonBS>I guess so. I
12:40<SimonBS>I'm getting an error when I try to install it.
12:40<SimonBS>So, do you know if there's a solution for it then? I'ld really like the latest version of Gnome-Do instead of the old version, Lenny offers at the moment.
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12:43<Titan8990>SimonBS, no, I would try asking on #debian on irc.freenode.net
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12:44<SimonBS>Titan8990, okay. I'll try that. Thanks for the help.
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14:05<s3a>to format an fat32 partition using gparted i need to install dosfstools but if i want to format an ntfs partition, what must i apt-get install?
14:05<s3a>a fat32 partition*
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14:05<Titan8990>s3a, ntfsprogs
14:06<s3a>Titan8990, thx
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14:20<AquaX>hey can anyone help me fix my debian box it wont boot anymore it gets stuck at starting deferred execution schedueler ATD
14:21<AquaX>ive googled all day cant find much
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14:30<locklace>AquaX: can you boot into single-user mode
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14:41<AquaX>hey locklace i did that just now
14:41<locklace>!congratulate AquaX
14:41<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies AquaX, you did it!
14:41<AquaX>but
14:42<AquaX>how can i make it stop permanently
14:42<locklace>halt
14:42<AquaX>yea i just reboot but it still asks me
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14:43<AquaX>when i push ctrl d to continue maintenanence it freezes
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14:43<locklace>don't do that then
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14:48<hatoon>oi
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14:52<AquaX>so is there anyway i can stop atd from starting
14:53<locklace>chmod 0 /usr/sbin/atd
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14:53<AquaX>thanks ill give that a go
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14:55<Lethalman>locklace, please use update-rc.d atd disable
14:55<Lethalman>chmod 0 /usr/bin/atd is not the way to go AquaX
14:56<locklace>i disagree
14:56<AquaX>w00000t
14:56<AquaX>it worked
14:56<Lethalman>locklace, why
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14:56<AquaX>yea im not really sure what atd is haha why?
14:56<locklace>AquaX: man atd
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15:15<uldics>I have just installed a new SATA HDD and made few partitions on it. The purpose is storage of different stuff. I have seen (on Knoppix) some nice utility I dont know, which makes nice icons of the unmounted partitions on desktop. Those icons makes it easy to mount, unmount the partitions and shows the status (mounted or unmounted) with a little arrow. How do I do it in Debian? And can I make it so that it asks a password (for root) when I want to
15:15<uldics>mount them?
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15:16<Titan8990>uldics, that might be a gnome specific feature
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15:17<goo>how common is it to lookup code wihle programming
15:17<AquaX>very lol
15:18<uldics>It is copy - paste all the time. You actually do not need to know programming ...
15:19<goo>then why the &^*%^@$*&%^#$*(%^*(#&%&^#$& are do my programming exams require handwritten code with no reference
15:19<goo>makes me SO ANGRY
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15:19<goo>my roommate is the kid who remembers everything and understands nothing
15:19<AquaX>haha well im sure its simple stuff
15:19<goo>im the exact opposite
15:19<AquaX>what year are you in
15:19<goo>im just taking a c++ class
15:19<cahoot>doesn't sound much lika a debina issue
15:20<goo>yeah it isnt. my bad
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15:25<Cadmium01>I am trying to enable TUN device on my VPS, when I type modprobe tun I get error:
15:25<Cadmium01>FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18-128.2.1.el5.028stab064.7/modules.dep: No such file or directory
15:25<Cadmium01>Is there anything I can do to fix this?
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15:28<locklace>!8ball
15:28<dpkg>my reply is no
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15:32<RichiH>why is the new kernel called 'trunk'? i presume because some firmware and stuff has been removed, but i'd rather be certain
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15:32<fredz>I seem to be having a senior moment and can't work out how to install a windowz application in wine. I have installed wine (apt-get install wine).
15:32<Ignaz>hi, all
15:33<RichiH>fredz: wine install.exe
15:33<goodger_>fredz: typically run "wine setup.exe"
15:33<fredz>ty
15:35<goodger_>I've been using squeeze on my new laptop for a couple of months and it's recently started randomly segfaulting (especially firefox when the javascript engine is invoked), panicking and killing X. how do I start investigating this?
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15:36<Nemoder>goodger_: check dmesg output
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15:37<locklace>goodger_: test your ram
15:38<goodger_>the last thing I see in syslog before the restart is a perfectly normal NM message
15:38<goodger_>I tested the RAM already
15:38<goodger_>indeed it was the first thing I did
15:39<locklace>goodger_: how repeatable is it? does it happen to gcc if you compile the kernel
15:39<goodger_>I don't compile the kernel, so I can't answer that
15:39<Nemoder>it's pretty strange that X would die if it wasn't memory or video related
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15:39<locklace>goodger_: that was a suggested test
15:39<soronery>hi folks
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15:40<locklace>goodger_: have you seen anything other than x or an x app terminate this way
15:40<locklace>goodger_: what laptop model? what graphics chipset? what x driver?
15:40<goodger_>the steps to repeat are "use the computer for any amount of time"; firefox dies very often when autoscrolling, but the kernel panics entirely at random from my perspective
15:40<locklace>goodger_: can you paste or post a snapshot of a kernel panic
15:41<locklace>goodger_: they typically include stack traces which tell you exactly where things failed
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15:41<goodger_>locklace: the last one didn't log anything interesting, but I'm sure it will panic in a couple of hours so I can get back to you then
15:42<goodger_>the system is a thinkpad x31 with an r200 graphics chip and the radeon driver in use
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15:42<locklace>what kernel version
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15:42<goodger_>2.6.30-2-686
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15:42<locklace>did this system ever work
15:43<goodger>IIRC it never used to panic, just crashing X
15:43<goodger>now it either restarts X or panics
15:44<goodger>usually it restarts X and then panics later in the day
15:44<locklace>so what changed between "used to" and "now"
15:44<goodger>haven't a clue
15:44<locklace>can you run without x for a while and do some heavy work and see if you get any process aborts or panics
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15:46<goodger>well, I don't use any non-X programs beside aptitude and ssh, but I suppose I could write a python program to perpetually eat CPU cycles and then run it for a while
15:46<locklace>compiling the kernel is better
15:46<locklace>as an alternate test, install and boot the 2.6.32 kernel from sid with dpkg -i
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15:47<goodger>that sounds somewhat more productive
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15:48<locklace>a third test is to run x with the vesa or framebuffer drivers instead of radeon
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15:50<goodger>...while I was looking up the deb for the newer kernel, iceweasel segfaulted
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15:54<syslq>goodger, well you might try using a decently stable os + software :)
15:54<goodger>it's perfectly stable on my desktop machine and has been for a couple of years
15:55<syslq>Well you're the one complaining
15:55<syslq>goodger, :), I'm joking man
15:55<syslq>Debian is nice, well I dont use it on desktop but it's fantastic server os
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16:01<goodger>right, I am now using the VESA driver
16:02<goodger>my cursor is being rendered below 25fps...
16:02<goodger>no panics or X restarts yet.
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16:09<syslq>goodger, huh, why do you do that?
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16:09<Sier>hi
16:10<goodger>syslq: I was advised by locklace to do so in order to retard the kernel panics I've recently been experiencing
16:11<syslq>goodger, ok, but it cripples your desktop experience doesnt it?
16:11<goodger>so far it's just making my cursor slow
16:11<goodger>hardly crippling
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16:12<syslq>Well gaming :) ?
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16:12<goodger>I have a non-ancient computer for that, and it runs Windows
16:13<syslq>hehe :)
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16:20<Tuplad>anyone knows what's up ? I'm on squeeze, gnome. did an update and now lots of icons in startmenu don't show and text under some icons is gone in nautilus for example.
16:21<Tuplad>also in deluge etc.
16:22<Titan8990>your running squeeze, whats not normal about that?
16:22<Tuplad>I'm just asking if anyone knows what's up?
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16:23<Titan8990>!bts
16:23<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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16:24<Tuplad>I wouldn't know what package to look for.
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16:24<Titan8990>Tuplad, i would guess gnome-menus
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16:25<Titan8990>Tuplad, #debian-gnome may help
16:25<Tuplad>good idea!
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16:40<debbyeah>hello
16:40<debbyeah>how can i find out if my debian is 32 or 64 bit ?
16:40<debbyeah>i kinda forgot :D
16:40<zumbi>uname -m
16:41<debbyeah>x86_64
16:41<zumbi>64bit
16:41<debbyeah>is that 64bit ?
16:41<debbyeah>aha
16:41<debbyeah>would it be normal... that a 32bit application wouldnt work then?
16:41<zumbi>32bit is called i?86
16:41<debbyeah>i tried installing shockvoice server... but i used their 32bit one
16:41<debbyeah>could that be the cause?
16:42<debbyeah>i get no errors from them :S it just goes from "server started" - and i can then ask it to stop it, and it tells me it isnt running
16:42<Pitxyoki>debbyeah, I think that 32 bit binaries may need compatibility libraries.
16:42<debbyeah>so i wonder if it could just be that the process dies
16:42<Pitxyoki>I'm not 100% sure, though.
16:42<debbyeah>well it runs through mono
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16:42<debbyeah>i am not sure if mono is just a .NET emulator, or actually simulator
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16:43<debbyeah>if its not similar to wine, then as simulator, it would make all the sense in the world
16:43<debbyeah>as it cant run 32bit natively
16:43<debbyeah>but, my lack of mono isn't helping me :)
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16:44<patrikf>x86_64 has the ability to run 32bit, with little-to-none-overhead-emulation by the processor.
16:44<debbyeah>aha
16:44<debbyeah>so my problem should not derive from there then, but rather a shockwave issue?
16:44<patrikf>and afaik, .NET programs compile to a intermediary bytecode, so mono isn't an emulator, but an interpreter.
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16:45<debbyeah>ah
16:45<debbyeah>alright
16:45<debbyeah>well i shall give the 64bit binary a go
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16:45<debbyeah>see if i get more lucky
16:45<debbyeah>fingers crossed :P thanks for the help
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16:47<Pitxyoki>patrikf, why is it that 32 bit programs have certain incompatibilities then?
16:47<Pitxyoki>Or is that restricted to modules?
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16:47<patrikf>Pitxyoki: 32bit binaries need 32bit libraries, too, which aren't installed by default. I was talking about the ability of the processor to run 32bit bytecode.
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16:48<Pitxyoki>hm, but what's the problem with 32-bit binary drivers that don't run on 64-bit machines?
16:48<Pitxyoki>Or flash, which didn't have a 64-bit version until recently?
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16:49<Titan8990>Pitxyoki, i think that flash still lacks 64bit... it just has a 32bit wrapper around it IIRC
16:49<patrikf>Pitxyoki: the problem is whenever there needs to be a connection between 32bit and 64bit code
16:49<debbyeah>yup, it was the 32 bit incompatiblity
16:49<patrikf>Pitxyoki: such as a 64-bit kernel and a 32-bit proprietary kernel module
16:49<patrikf>Pitxyoki: or a 64-bit browser and a 32-bit plugin
16:49<debbyeah>thanks :D
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16:50<Pitxyoki>hmm
16:50<patrikf>Titan8990: there has been a flash version for 64bit for some time now. might still be labeled as experimental, but there is one
16:50<Pitxyoki>That makes sense.
16:50<patrikf>and before that, there was nspluginwrapper that handled exactly this 32bit <-> 64bit interface.
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16:52<nealshade>Hello, newbie here. Need to install NIC driver on a lenny install
16:52<Pitxyoki>yep
16:52<Pitxyoki>Flash player is 64-bit on amd64:
16:52<Pitxyoki>/usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64,
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16:53<nealshade>my problem is "IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1"
16:53<Pitxyoki>...and on a 32bit machine I have: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386,...
16:54<Pitxyoki>nealshade, what's a NIC?
16:54<nealshade>the gcc complier is the wrong version I just installed debian lenny and the Marvell/Yukon driver uses a earlier gcc complier
16:54<nealshade>oh, NIC is ethernet/network card
16:54<Pitxyoki>ah
16:55<Pitxyoki>Why are you trying to compile stuff for that?
16:55<Pitxyoki>What card is that?
16:55<nealshade>i do a root#: ./install and it stalls at the gcc compiler
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16:56<locklace>wtf
16:56<locklace>there are so many things wrong with your story it's impossible to even begin helping you
16:56<nealshade>it says "if you know what you are doing you can set the sys settings to ignore the cc_mismatch error, but I dont know how to do that? does anyone in here no how to make the gcc version 4.2 agree with gcc 4.1?
16:57<Pitxyoki>Do you know what you are doing?
16:57<nealshade>no
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16:57<nealshade>but I can follow directions easy
16:57<Pitxyoki>Then maybe you should read that with more attention.
16:57<Pitxyoki>:>
16:57<Pitxyoki>Why are you trying to compile stuff for that?
16:57<Pitxyoki>and
16:57<Pitxyoki>What card is that?
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16:58<nealshade>to install the nic, I have no network connectivity without that compliation?
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16:58<locklace>paste the output of "lspci -knn" at http://paste.debian.net
16:58<nealshade>Marvell yukon 88E8057
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16:59<nealshade>i have no connectivty on that machine?
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16:59<Titan8990>nealshade, your not going to get anywhere if you don't do what locklace asked you to
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17:00<nealshade>it is offline until I can get the compiler versions to jive
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17:00<Titan8990>nealshade, and no, you should virtually never need to manually compile kernel modules
17:01<locklace>i think you should just stop immediately whatever it is you think you're doing
17:01<nealshade>download this driver and in the readme file this is what is says to do...
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17:01<nealshade>I will get that i-net location, one minute...
17:01<locklace>no
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17:02<locklace>we have no interest in that whatsoever
17:02<nealshade>http://www.marvell.com/drivers/search.do
17:02<locklace>giving you 10 seconds to stop what you're doing and follow directions, then giving up
17:03<nealshade>k, what directions? the output of lspci?
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17:04<locklace>find a way to pastebin the output of "lspci -knn" and "uname -a"
17:05<nealshade>k, but I am on a different machine right now
17:05<nealshade>I will goto that Debian box now.
17:05<nealshade>do I just type lspci -knn into terminal as root?
17:06<nealshade>sorry, if I am coming off as rude, but this is the first time on an IRC
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17:07<locklace>or you can do "lspci -knn > lspci.txt" if you want to store it in a file called lspci.txt, e.g. to copy it off-system
17:07<nealshade>k
17:08<locklace>for the uname, you can just do "uname -r" and manually copy out what it says here since it's only a few characters
17:08<nealshade>k
17:08<nealshade>be back in a couple of mins, I will save it to a usb drive and paste it in here
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17:17<nealshade>uname -r ->2.6.26-2-686
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17:17<nealshade>here is the lspci output from a txt file
17:17<locklace>paste it at http://paste.debian.net
17:19<nealshade>do i do that in the browser?
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17:19<locklace>yes
17:20<nealshade>k, and I will also put the error message as well, I copied that while i was copying the lspci output
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17:23<locklace>judd pciid 11ab:4380
17:23<judd>locklace: [11ab:4380] is 'Unknown device' from 'Marvell Technology Group Ltd.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'sky2' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=11ab:4380 http://wiki.debian.org/sky2
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17:23<locklace>nealshade: you need to upgrade your kernel. go to http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-686 and download the .deb file (i386 link at the bottom), copy it to your system and install it with dpkg -i
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17:28<nealshade>k, so will I need to unpack file? Or will the dpkg -i command take care of it by itself?
17:29<nealshade>Thank-you people here. I know its hard to put up with someone who doesnt know that much, but I appreciate it immensely
17:30<locklace>all you need to do is get the .deb file onto the system and run dpkg -i on it
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17:30<locklace>it will install the new kernel as the default, then when you reboot everything should work
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17:31<locklace>!pie zr|d3d
17:31*dpkg hits zr|d3d in the face with a cream pie
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17:33<nealshade>great, thanks
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17:34<nealshade>then if I run the installer again, it should work. I think I answered my own question, thanks
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17:37<locklace>for heaven's sake don't run the installer again
17:37<locklace>everything you were trying to do was completely wrong
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17:39<nealshade>oh, after the dpkg -i my network interface card will install itself?
17:39<nealshade>b/c that is what i was trying to do in the first place, install the network card
17:39<locklace>it will magically work as soon as you reboot
17:39<locklace>trying to manually install drivers that you download from vendor web sites is dead wrong
17:40<nealshade>k, sorry you should enilghtent them not to put those readme files there, b/c that is what I went by?
17:40<nealshade>i read, what i read was wrong, is that my fault?
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17:41<locklace>no idea what readme file you're talking about
17:41<nealshade>to get my nic working i downloaded the driver file?
17:41<iusty>nealshade: it was not wrong per se; just that if you can use a newer debian kernel is much better to do so, than trying to compile manually a vendor's sources
17:42<locklace>nealshade: you were going about things in the hardest possible way and the way most likely to break your system
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17:42<locklace>drivers for the vast majority of common hardware are already part of pre-packed debian kernels
17:43<nealshade>oic, thanks, i liked that answer better than just being told I am totaly wrong every step I took, is that what linux is? for l33ts only?
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17:45<patrikf>nealshade: i recommend http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm for reading
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17:47<mgarfias>Any idea how I can bypass the prompt to overwrite a conf file when installing a new pkg via apt?
17:48<zumbi>mgarfias: debconf question?
17:48<fossiiil>hi
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17:49<nealshade>thanks for the help
17:49<nealshade>later
17:49<fossiiil>mgarfias: bypass? what do you mean? leave config files in undefined state?
17:49<mgarfias>no, I have written a config file there already, just need to answer N to the prompt
17:50<mgarfias>unattended
17:50<zumbi>debconf-set-selections is what you need, perhaps?
17:51<zumbi>or you can just export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive
17:51<zumbi>export DEBIAN_PRIORITY=critical
17:51<zumbi>export DEBCONF_NONINTERACTIVE_SEEN=true
17:51<patrikf>mgarfias: also, DEBCONF_FRONTEND=noninteractive might be what you really want
17:51<patrikf>mgarfias: see debconf(7) (package debconf-doc)
17:51*fossiiil was unaware of these options
17:51<mgarfias>thanks
17:52<mgarfias>i knew they existed, but i couldnt figure out the right googlefu to find them
17:52<fossiiil>thanks, too, wizards
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17:57<mgarfias>setting DEBCONF_FRONTEND=noninteractive didn't work
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18:01<nealshade>dpkg -i did not work and I dont know what I am doing
18:01*dpkg removes a lung from nealshade and replaces it with did not work and I dont know what I am doing
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18:01<fossiiil>dpkg: ask your zen master for clues...
18:01<dpkg>i don't know, fossiiil
18:01<nealshade>lol, that's about right
18:04<nealshade>I downloaded the file, unpacked it in my home directory. then did a dpkg -i and it got mad at me? Me of all people, wtp...
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18:05<fossiiil>pastebin.com dpkg output
18:05<locklace>!errors
18:05<dpkg>If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too.
18:05<fossiiil>i don't know what 'got mad' means
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18:08<nealshade>yeah, i understand, i will post the error message afer I copy it from the machine that is without a NIC driver
18:09<nealshade>it will be a couple of minutes till i post it on http://paste.debain.net
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18:10<locklace>you should be running "dpkg -i http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-686_2.6.30-6~bpo50+1_i386.deb" as root
18:10<locklace>oops
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18:10<locklace>you should be running "dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-686_2.6.30-6~bpo50+1_i386.deb" as root
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18:10<locklace>also paste the output of "md5sum linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-686_2.6.30-6~bpo50+1_i386.deb"
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18:11<nealshade>i am trying to upgrade the kernel as per locklace's advice
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18:12<nealshade>oh type that whole long thing in the root terminal? I thouht terminals do not take spaces?
18:12<nealshade>I will try that
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18:13<nealshade>b/c that exact file is in my home dir
18:13<nealshade>k, brb
18:14<mgarfias>zumbi/patrickf: those tricks don't work
18:14<fossiiil>voodoo doesn't work
18:14<mgarfias>this isn't from debconf apparently
18:14<fossiiil>what you see is what you get
18:14<locklace>mgarfias: you could just pipe the output of "yes n" to it then
18:15<fossiiil>you see nothing, you get nothinh
18:15<mgarfias>that seems, wrong...
18:15<mgarfias>but f it, i have 100 servers to install
18:15<locklace>that's the spirit
18:15<fossiiil>ask botnet herder
18:16<mgarfias>nope, that aint gonna work either
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18:16<locklace>nealshade: you know you can hit tab in the shell to get filename completion so you only have to type the first few characters of that filename, rather than attempt the whole thing and probably screw it up
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18:17<nealshade>i think we have something here people...
18:17<fossiiil>pray gods for forgiveness
18:17<mgarfias>here, this is what i'm talking about, to avoid confusion
18:17<fossiiil>your sins cannot be erased by typing one or two shell commands
18:18<mgarfias>http://paste.debian.net/54323
18:18<nealshade>yeah, i use that for cisco cli
18:18<nealshade>and cli is based on linux right?
18:19<nealshade>the install finished. now do i just reboot?
18:19<fossiiil>echo -e "Y\n" | apt... ?
18:19<mgarfias>hmm
18:19<mgarfias>i thought i tried that
18:19<mgarfias>will try again to be sure
18:19<locklace>nealshade: yes
18:20<nealshade>locklace, you must be a patient person to deal with a newbie like me, thanks
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18:20<mgarfias>fossiiil: nope, no work
18:20<nealshade>how do you reboot from terminal kill -777?
18:20<locklace>nealshade: "reboot"
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18:20<retrospectacus>nealshade: reboot
18:21<zrennt>Hi!
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18:21<locklace>!greet zrennt
18:21<dpkg>Moo, zrennt
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18:21<nealshade>thats too easy
18:21<retrospectacus>Moo!!
18:21*fossiiil is going to smoke some cigs outside under the snowing sky
18:22<zrennt>how are you?
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18:22<locklace>dpkg: how are you
18:22<dpkg>locklace: mas o menos
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18:23<zrennt>why? what language do the speaks?
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18:24<mgarfias>ok, looks like passing--force-confdef to dpkg will do it, but how to pass that to dpkg from apt-get?
18:24<zrennt>Bye! see you!
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18:24<gsimmons>mgarfias: -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confdef"
18:24<mgarfias>thanks
18:26<mgarfias>yay
18:26<mgarfias>that works
18:26<mgarfias>thanks everyone!
18:26<locklace>!congratulate mgarfias
18:26<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies mgarfias, you did it!
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18:31<nealshade>locklace: I rebooted and under the gui network config the NIC is not getting an address, I clicked enable this connection? is there something to use in the terminal to check the IPconfig?
18:31<mgarfias>ifconfig
18:32<mgarfias>or 'ip link'
18:32<mgarfias>wait, that doesn't show the IP address
18:32<mgarfias>aha 'ip addr'
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18:32<locklace>nealshade: ifconfig -a
18:33<locklace>nealshade: also verify by running "dmesg | grep sky2" that the kernel properly sees your card now
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18:35<nealshade>typing ifconfig -a -> it shows eth0 as being there, but it has no address
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18:36<nealshade>i see that there is no light on the NIC
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18:36<mgarfias>swap ethernet cables?
18:36<nealshade>I tried different connections to elimiate a cable other computers can connected on both these cables, so I have rules out cable, switch, router, ISP...
18:36<terinjokes>is it possible to change the package info in a deb file (i mistyped the provides and package fields)
18:38<nealshade>terinjokes, package info? i barley was able to get the package installed, so changin that info would take a miracle for me
18:38<locklace>nealshade: try "ifconfig eth0 up"
18:39<retrospectacus>what's the netstat flags to see what process is listening on a port?
18:39<locklace>nealshade: you can manually assign it an ip address with "ifconfig eth0 inet 1.1.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" (for instance)
18:39<nealshade>locklace: oh, I forgot about that one
18:39<locklace>nealshade: if you want to get an ip address via dhcp you have to do things differently
18:39<nealshade>i will try that first, than i will try a manual address
18:40<terinjokes>nealshade: huh?
18:41<nealshade>my connection only has ipv6 not ipv4. that is why, my network is ipv4 only
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18:42<nealshade>that sounded confusing
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18:43<nealshade>after typing ifconfig eth0 -a -> it only shows ipv6 and now the light is on on the NIC, but it is red only not green like the connected ones? how can i enable ipv4?
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18:47<locklace>nealshade: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-gateway.en.html
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18:50<nealshade>I did a ifconfig eth0 down -> up command and it will not grab a dhcp address. it grabs a ipv6 address but not the v4 one, which is the one that counts
18:50<nealshade>ok
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19:06<nealshade>on the devices -> network tools - it only says IPv6 on the Debian box. on this ubuntu box the same setting says IPv4 and IPv6? how can I make IPv4 available, I thought it was magically supposed to get the network going?
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19:24<jack>hello,everybody!and who know a group about eclipse for java developing
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19:24<geckos>how can I do equivalent of this ' 5,10s/Hello/Bye/g ' in emacs?
19:25<abrotman>jack: a channel you mean >
19:25<abrotman>?
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19:27<jack>yes,abrotman
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19:28<abrotman>jack: there is a #eclipse on irc.freenode.nnet
19:28<abrotman>erm .. .net
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19:28<abrotman>jack: there's no need to msg me
19:29<abrotman>jack: there is #eclipse and #java on irc.freenode.net
19:29<jack>well
19:29<jack>thanks
19:29<jack>gaga
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19:31<jack>hi ,man ,can you tell me how can join in the #java channel on irc.freenode.nnet
19:32<abrotman>jack: /server irc.freenode.net ... once it connects, /join #java
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19:42<necrocter>hi i have a problem, after a dist-upgrade and move to kernel 2.6.31 java can't connect to internet
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19:46<themill>!btssmite necrocter
19:46*dpkg beats necrocter around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if necrocter is running testing or unstable
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19:47<mc74x>hola
19:48<mc74x>quisiera hacer una pregunta
19:48<locklace>!es
19:48<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:48<mc74x>soy nuevo en debain
19:48<mc74x>gracias
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19:57<mjs>i think I may have been bitten by uswsusp's swap-killing bug, but i'm not sure. what's the simplist way to tell if my swap is borked?
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20:00<amphi>mjs: swapoff and swapon? if swapon is happy with it, it should be ok
20:00<locklace>!flw
20:00<dpkg><chpUke> Well, I have everything including experimental in my sources.list.
20:01<abrotman>locklace: can't you just msg the bot to amuse yourself?
20:03<mjs>amphi: /sbin/swapoff and /sbin/swapon didn't produce any error messages when i ran them
20:03<mjs>so that means everything is normal?
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20:08<amphi>mjs: I would think so; if you are wracked with doubt, you could mkswap it
20:10<mjs>amphi: would i have to do that via a liveusb/cd environment?
20:11<amphi>why? just swapoff /dev/whatever and mkswap it
20:11<mjs>amphi: well, i didn't know
20:11<amphi>what do you think is wrong with it¿
20:12<mjs>amphi: uswsusp has a nasty bug in testing/unstable that fouls up the swap partition when running s2both
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20:12<amphi>mjs: ah - good to know, not that I use s2ram or s2both - s2disk is not affected?
20:12<amphi>it doesn't seem to be
20:13<mjs>amphi: i don't quite know.
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20:14<mjs>anyway, i purged the sid version and installed lenny's version of uswsusp, so maybe that will cure my lack-of-suspend/hibernate ability
20:15<amphi>mjs: you mean http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=498917 ?
20:15<mjs>yeah
20:15<amphi>testing's is not affected it seems
20:15<amphi>Version: 0.7-1.2 here
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20:16<mjs>right. but i'm on sid, with version 0.8-1.2, which does have the problem
20:16<mjs>that's why i downgraded
20:17<amphi>judd: versions uswsusp
20:17<judd>amphi: uswsusp -- etch: 0.3~cvs20060928-7etch1 lenny: 0.7-1.2 sid: 0.8-1.2
20:18<amphi>hmm, no squeeze
20:20<mjs>amphi: thanks for your help
20:20<amphi>welcome
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20:25-!-rrr69 [~rrr69@cxr69-6-82-236-108-195.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
20:25<rrr69>salut je suis un petit admin de sftp
20:26<amphi>!fr
20:26<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
20:26<rrr69>et je cherche a savoir ce k'est un cron car j'ai regardé dans mes log et ca me fais peut
20:26<rrr69>ok sorry !!
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21:03<user8943>hello
21:03<user8943>i'm not finding mkinitrd in the lenny repos anywhere
21:03<abrotman>mkinitramfs ?
21:03<user8943>has this been replaced by mkinitramfs or is not used in debian at all?
21:04<user8943>so is mkinitramfs capable of producing an initrd?
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21:04<user8943>i'm compiling an kernel from source and the docs say that mkinitrd is a requirement
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21:11<user8943>it's gone in lenny. etch had it
21:11<user8943>thx
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22:00<goodger>OK, so installing a newer kernel just bricked my system's startup
22:00<abrotman>goodger: in sid?
22:02<goodger>abrotman: in squeeze --- I was advised to install a kernel from sid in order to stop my squeeze installation from panicking/segfaulting/crashing everything randomly
22:03<abrotman>well .. it's not random anymore
22:03*abrotman runs away
22:03<goodger>no, now it just completely refuses to boot unless I type in the grub commands manually
22:03<abrotman>tried grub2 ?
22:04<goodger>I'm using grub2 already
22:04<abrotman>ok
22:05<goodger>running dpkg-reconfigure on all installed grub/kernel packages does nothing
22:06<abrotman>so grub is broken ?
22:09<goodger>apparently, yes, except it wasn't broken yesterday and it's now the same as it was then (so far as I can tell)...
22:09<kop>I recently recall hearing about a brokenness in grub2. IIRC it was an ubuntu forum and supposedly the last entry referenced a debian BTS that said it was fixed.... FWIW.
22:09<kop>goodger: It was an intermittent failure.
22:10<goodger>hrmph
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22:13<goodger>oh, apparently a new one was uploaded to testing yesterday
22:13*goodger upgrades
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22:15<goodger>ah, I was already using that version
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22:16<goodger>(X was killed)
22:16<goodger>kop: can you define "intermittent"?
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22:18<kop>goodger: People had to re-try booting several times before it would work.
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22:20<goodger>kop: so it's "hello, IT, have you tried turning it off and on again?"?
22:21<kop>goodger: Exactly. But this is me surfing late at night, sometime in the last few days, but still. So I don't really have any good detail. It more like rumor -- web style. (b
22:21<kop>But there was an official bug, somewhere.)
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22:32<twb>doc-rfc was part of the archive; it isn't anymore. How do I find out where it went, and why?
22:32<twb>Oh, hmm, maybe it's just in non-free?
22:34<kop>twb: apt-cache?
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22:34<twb>It's just in non-free
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23:00<choko>hola
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23:03<jmarsden>!es
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23:43<diode>echo -e "Hello World!\n"
23:44<twb>-e is a bashism
23:44<diode>?
23:44<diode>please explain bashism?
23:44<diode>newbie
23:44<diode>ohh bash shell
23:44<diode>whats better?
23:44<diode>twb /
23:44<diode>?
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23:52<raylu>bashism = specific to bash, not standard sh
23:53<raylu>people say zsh is better; never tried it myself
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23:56<diode>raylu, which one do you recommend??
23:56<diode>hello dcat_
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23:56<raylu>like i said, never tried it myself
23:56<diode>hello Pepino
23:56<raylu>the advice i've heard is "if you don't have to use other people's computers, zsh. otherwise, bash"
23:56<diode>raylu, which one do you recommend?? zsh, ksh??
23:57<diode>hmm
23:57<diode>thanks
23:57<diode>i run colinux and xming under yuck fuck windows xp .... im forced too... with usb flash drive...
23:57<diode>runs good
23:57<diode>2gb ram
23:57<diode>2gb swap virtual
23:58<diode>better than windowblows poop
23:58<diode>:D
23:58<diode>what do you run raylu?
23:58<diode>screenshots?
23:58<twb>!tell diode -about enter
23:58<raylu>bash, only because it's the default and i haven't bothered switching
23:58<twb>!tell diode -about plonk
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