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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-12-20

---Logopened Sun Dec 20 00:00:11 2009
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00:02<PhorceP>simonrvn: Thanks, will look into how to do that tomorrow
00:06<simonrvn>PhorceP: boot to rescue media (install cd, usb key, whatever), mount your debian partition, fetch 1.97~beta1-1 for your arch from ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/grub2/ , install it with dpkg, reboot
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00:07<PhorceP>it's all lvm though...not sure how to mount that from a rescue distro...
00:08<PhorceP>I suppose with a rescue distro that uses grub 2?
00:09<simonrvn>the install cd will have it... just gotta do it via expert mode and install the lvm installer module and run vgchange -ay to activate the lvm
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00:10<simonrvn>*then* mount the part.
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00:11<PhorceP>sounds like a place to start
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00:49<Dayayin5>hola!
00:49<Dayayin5>hay alguien ahi???
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00:58<German> hi
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01:00<German>hi, somebody knows if debian have a cron or something like a cron that kills some proccesses weekly? :S
01:01<German> i need to desable it because is killing my online radio proccess al sundays at this time...
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01:42<skp>hi, I am new to IRC.
01:42<skp>I have a problem with open office calc.
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01:43<skp>It is giving error msg "There is not enough space to insert".
01:44<skp>Do you know how to solve this problem?
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01:45<skp>Hi, any one know?
01:46<skp>disconnect()
01:46<German> jaja
01:46<German> nobody there :(
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02:06<Dayayin5>cytftf
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02:29<KingKong2009>Hello, whats the best mame emu out there, sdlmame??
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02:51<mecongnghe>hey
02:51<mecongnghe>abc
02:51<mecongnghe>cad
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04:01<dolphin84>вот
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04:27<hans>hello, is there a way to recall an answer i got yesterday, a kind of history or something like that ?
04:32<Supaplex>hans: I think this channel is logged online in a few places.
04:32<Gathond>your client is likely to keep a log as well
04:33<hans>i guess so, but where and how to get to it ?
04:33<Supaplex>http://thegrebs.com/irc/debian/2009/12/19
04:33<hans>thanks
04:33<r>good morning, good evening, good day
04:34<Supaplex>greetings you pirate
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04:38<hans>Supaplex: perfect! from where did You get that knowledge ?
04:39<Supaplex>hans: I scrolled all the way back in my /lastlog, and did a google search of about 10 words in quotes.
04:40<Supaplex>the older the /lastlog, the more likely it is to be in the index. :)
04:41<hans>thanks again
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04:48<vir182>hi all. aptitude shows me URLs in the different package descriptions. when i hove my mouse over it the are getting underline. but i cant select (copy) those URLs with the mouse. is there any way i can tell the system to open the URL with my preferred browser (or copy the URL)?
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04:49<olet>vir182: try holding down shift when you click it
04:49<vir182>olet: nothing happens when i hold down shift and click the URL
04:50<olet>then try selecting it that way to copy it
04:50<vir182>olet: damn, yeah, selecting works now with shift down
04:51<vir182>olet: thx. i wonder why they change the semantics of the console
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04:51<olet>well they don't but aptitude takes over mouse input and you can ignore that with holding shift down
04:52<olet>dunno why clicking it doesn't work though
04:52<olet>but well i'm not using such an advanced terminal that does underlining and such
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04:52<vir182>olet: it is as i havent configured something right - meaing aptitude is not "connected to my standard browser"
04:53<vir182>olet: thx you anway. that's the workaround i needed
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05:09<srinivasa>hi anyone there
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05:20<xxx>hi all
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05:37<NewDebian>Hi all I am new to Linux, and I have IBM xseries 255 8586-6rx and I want to kmow which releasr of debian to choose for it, and where can I find its driver on Debian, can anyone help me pleasr?
05:39<wnd>I wouldn't choose anything but stable for a server
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05:40<NewDebian>and what is the stable one recommended for my server?
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05:42<wnd>!stable
05:42<dpkg>[stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable
05:43<NewDebian>and what about the driver for my server?
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05:43<wnd>I'm not sure what you mean
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05:44<wnd>if that's something (ibm) server specific then it's out of my league
05:45<NewDebian>I mean scsi , network, display drivers for the server(it is an old server) is it easy to find?
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05:46<xxx>test
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05:46<NewDebian>display is Ari rage xl pci 8mb?
05:46<wnd>debian's stock kernel comes with comprehensive set of modules so you may not need to worry about the drivers at all
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05:46<xxx>test 2
05:46<valdyn>!tias
05:46<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See".
05:46<valdyn>NewDebian: ^^
05:47<musca>NewDebian: Drivers are in general integrated into the Kernel, older hardware works better than newest
05:47<wnd>!test
05:47<dpkg>Test failed.
05:48<musca>some devices need non-free firmware, e.g. broadcom NICs
05:48<NewDebian>network card IBM NetXtreme Gigabit and IBM server raid? I think if they are old then it is east to find in current realse correct?
05:49<valdyn>NewDebian: in linux you generally dont "find" drivers, you just expect 99% of hardware to work automagically
05:49<valdyn>NewDebian: for you this means: get the debian installer and only ask about drivers once something does not work.
05:49<musca>choose Deban 5.0 Lenny (aka stable)
05:49<musca>Debian
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05:51<NewDebian>and debia lenny 5.0 is working fine with my SQL?
05:51<valdyn>NewDebian: are we mindreaders?
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05:51<valdyn>NewDebian: are you new to computers too?
05:52<NewDebian>no I am new to Linux
05:52<valdyn>NewDebian: how are we supposed to know what "your SQL" is ?
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05:52<valdyn>NewDebian: sql is a query language spec, its not something computers can operate on
05:52<NewDebian>I mean mysql db? sorry for the misunderstanding
05:53<valdyn>NewDebian: debian ships mysql
05:54<musca>postgres can be a good choice, too
05:54<NewDebian>so it is included in the stable release download?
05:54<valdyn>NewDebian: debian has everything you need, dont look elsewhere *unless* you *know* that debian does not have it
05:54<valdyn>( because using debian-provided packages is vastly easier to handle than 3rd party stuff )
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05:56<musca>NewDebian: you need to get familiar with apt, the advanced package tool
05:56<NewDebian>for mysql I need just to install the stable release and it is included?
05:56<valdyn>NewDebian: http://packages.debian.org/
05:56<NewDebian>I will try to read about the advanced package tool
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05:57<NewDebian>thank you all for your help
05:57<c>hi guys
05:57<EmleyMoor>What's considered to be the "right" way to temporarily disabel gdm on a system?
05:57<c>I am trying t install matlab in debian and got the follwoing error
05:57<EmleyMoor>disable
05:57<valdyn>!nodm
05:57<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console.
05:58<valdyn>EmleyMoor: ^^
05:58<c>Error while loading shared library libXp.so.6 Cannot open shared object file. No such file or directory.
05:58<valdyn>!installit
05:58<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
05:58<valdyn>c: ^^
05:58<c>I installed the yum and tried to installed the package requried but it couldn't find the packge
05:59<valdyn>c: yum? in debian?
05:59<valdyn>c: what the fuck?
05:59<c>i am a beginner, don't kill me if do stupid things
05:59<c>:(
05:59<EmleyMoor>yum? YUCK!
05:59<valdyn>c: revert this, use aptitude or apt-get
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06:00<c> sudo apt-get install libXp-1.0.0-8.i386.rpm
06:00<c>I used this command
06:00<valdyn>c: no
06:00<c>stillnot working
06:00<valdyn>c: thats fucking stupid
06:00<c>:(
06:00<valdyn>c: dont mess with rpm files, they are not for debian
06:00<c>because i am fucking stupid
06:01<valdyn>c: no, thats not what i said
06:01<musca>c: you'd better follow a debian-howto than an opensuse-howto
06:01<valdyn>c: "apt-cache search libxp" to search for packages named like this
06:01<c>then how can i get matlab running on my pc?
06:01<EmleyMoor>You need to install whichever Debian package has the missing file
06:01<valdyn>c: and with some wild guessing you get to "apt-get install libxp6"
06:02<valdyn>!tell c -about search
06:02<c>first I am removing yum
06:02<valdyn>c: how did you install yum?
06:03<valdyn>c: what did you actually successfully instal with yum?
06:03<c>your wild guess is working so far
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06:03<valdyn>c: uh, im not guessing
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06:03<valdyn>c: you would be guessing if you used apt-cache search ;)
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06:04<c>lets see if it works this time
06:04<ml|>yum sounds like dome food thing ;)
06:04<ml|>*some
06:04<c>thanks you sooo much dude
06:04<c>it is fucking working
06:04<c>shit
06:04<c>it is working! :))
06:04<valdyn>!win c
06:04<dpkg>Congratulations, c! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
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06:06<ml|>!tell c about reference
06:06<EmleyMoor>yum is some kind of update manager for certain redhattish distros
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06:07<ml|>yes it is
06:07<c>ok :)
06:07<ml|>c read the debian reference
06:07<c>I am reading the GNU phelosephy stuffs now, I am in page 50!
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06:19<EmleyMoor>Is a test release of Debian GNU/kFreeBSD available yet?
06:19<valdyn>EmleyMoor: yes
06:20<valdyn>EmleyMoor: using the bsd installer though, hard to use, kind of
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06:20<EmleyMoor>Ah - not so ready then
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06:20<valdyn>EmleyMoor: well, i couldnt install X last i tried, but some things work
06:21<valdyn>still got the vm image somewhere.
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06:21<EmleyMoor>I might wait for it to mature a bit more
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06:21<valdyn>plan was to release it with squeeze..
06:22*EmleyMoor plans to evaluate it alongside continuing with Linux and a "regular" FreeBSD
06:26<EmleyMoor>I'm building up a fair collection of VMs now
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06:29<azeem_>is there a way to reprobe the VGA output and make additional modelines available when using no xorg.conf?
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06:34<c>I finished the installation, but no icon was added to anywhere
06:34<valdyn>c: thats probably working as intended by mathematica
06:34<c>how can I add a prgram to a list of prgramms
06:34<valdyn>c: in gnome?
06:35<c>yes
06:35<c>:)
06:35<valdyn>c: rightclick on applications
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06:37<c>valdyn, I can run the program , I can find it in bin
06:37<valdyn>c: yea, you can
06:37<valdyn>c: i just told you how to add an entry to the applications menu
06:40<c>thank you valdyn, I added the program on the application list
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06:56<c>what is the best choice for vitual box?
06:56<bittin>virtualbox?
06:56<c>yes!
06:57<Supaplex>virtualbox.
06:57<Supaplex>!best
06:57<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
06:58<c>when I search for vitualbox in synaptic package manager, I find many of them, like ose, modules, guest and so one
06:58<c>so on
06:59<bittin>use ose
06:59<c>and source
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06:59<c>with no extension!?
07:01<gsimmons>c: They all serve a function which is described in their associated package descriptions.
07:01<gsimmons>dpkg: tell c -about virtualbox
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07:01<bittin>i always use ose
07:02<c>ok, thanks super cool advisers :)
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07:03<c>The character device /dev/vboxdrv does not exist. Please install the virtualbox-ose-modules package for your kernel and load the module named vboxdrv into your system.
07:04<bittin>do so then :)
07:04<gsimmons>c: Didn't we go through this yesterday?
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07:05<c>I think so, maybe. since I am an idiot, I tend to forget readly
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07:07<c>yes, I check the file virtualbox ose
07:07<c>yesterday, I changed it dumply and accidently and saved it
07:07<c>now the txt file is empty :(
07:08<c>/etc/defualt
07:10<c>any idea?! I removed it and installed it again, but still the txt file in /etc/defualt is empty
07:10<c>any hint is highly appriciated
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07:14<c>:(
07:14<c>it takes time to seep in to my brain
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07:16<gsimmons>c: Remove /etc/default/virtualbox-ose and ask dpkg about confmiss (/msg dpkg confmiss).
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07:28<guff>Howdy folks. Is it just me, or have animated gifs stopped working in iceweasel? Running lenny on i386.
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07:29<poison>f
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07:30<poison>?
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07:30<eeeuser>Hi, I have a question about mixed libstdc++ usage. Currently I am getting errors inside libstdc++ headers when compiling an ITK app, how do I fix this? http://pastebin.org/66877 I tried g++-4.3 as well.
07:30<eeeuser>It used to compile :(
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07:31<poison>me to
07:32<poison>hey what kind of operating system do you use
07:32<poison>are u there
07:32<guff>I'd hope its Debian Linux, given what channel this is.
07:33<guff>Sorry, GNU/Linux.
07:33<poison>aha
07:33<c>dpkg --force-confmiss -i /etc/default/virtualbox-ose is not working
07:33<dpkg>c: what are you talking about?
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07:34<poison>pff do anybody use backtrack
07:34<poison>here
07:34<azeem>!backtrack
07:34<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.remote-exploit.org/backtrack.html #remote-exploit on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
07:34<poison>ok ok
07:34<poison>do anybody know how to fix sound drivers
07:34<poison>?
07:35<guff>@poison "fix" how?
07:35<poison>to install
07:35<poison>ALSA drivers
07:35<gsimmons>c: Please read the confmiss factoid again. Example apt-get/aptitude commands are provided.
07:36<guff>@poison: what kernel, what soundcard, what errors? Seriously, a few hints will make you much more likely to get an answer.
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07:39<guff>@eeeuser: what libstdc++ header version are you compiling against?
07:39<mase>poison alsaconf usually finds the right modules for your soundcard
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07:39<poison>aha
07:39<eeeuser>4.4 or 4.3
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07:40<poison>hey guff there is no universal driver
07:40<poison>for sund card
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07:40<poison>sound card
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07:41<guff>@poison: I know. Hence why I asked what kernel you're using and what sound CARD you're using. With those two bits of information, I could helped you find the right driver.
07:41<poison>aha
07:41<poison>just a minute
07:42<poison>can i lookm from shell
07:43<poison>Linux version 2.6.29.4 (root@bt) (gcc version 4.3.2 (Ubuntu 4.3.2-1ubuntu12) ) #1 SMP Thu Jun 18 10:57:32 EDT 2009
07:43<guff>@eeeuser: Looking at the errors, I have no idea. I'm guessing you'd have to ask the code authors..
07:43<guff>@poison: You're not running Debian, so you're in the wrong place.
07:43<eeeuser>Im the code author :)
07:43<guff>@eeeuser: I was hoping you wouldn't say that..
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07:44<poison>hey come on guuf
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07:45<poison>i wana some help
07:45<poison>i'm begginer
07:46<ml|>!tell poison about backtrack
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07:46<guff>@poison: I'm not being a prick for the fun of it. This is a Debian channel, you are not running Debian. This would be like taking a cat to a mechanic.
07:46<poison>ok ok
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07:47<poison>i know what is backtrack
07:47<poison>thanks
07:47<guff>@eeeuser: You say it used to compile, whats changed since the last successful build?
07:47<poison>it has a lot of exploits
07:48<eeeuser>I am not entirely certain
07:48<eeeuser>I updated gcc.
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07:49<guff>@eeeuser: Just to make sure, are you running on sid?
07:49<eeeuser>no squeeze
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07:54<guff>@eeeuser: If a gcc update (plus other stuff) has broken it, then all I can think of is go back through your apt logs and roll back packages..
07:54<guff>@eeeuser: Sorry I can't be of more help.
07:54<eeeuser>Cheers.
07:55<eeeuser>I assume that is somewhere in /etc/apt or /var/log?
07:55<guff>@eeeuser: /var/log
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08:04<valdyn>thank god alsaconf is gone past lenny
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08:05<guff>I must admit, never used alsaconf.
08:07<mase>oh fuck, why is it gone?
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08:07<mase>it was very useful with very old ISA-Cards
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08:09<valdyn>!isa
08:09<dpkg>isa is probably (Industry Standard Architecture) A computer bus standard used in PCs, until being superseded by <PCI> in 1993. Earlier internal modems and sound cards were ISA expansion cards due to their low bandwidth requirements. Or, instruction set architecture, the specification of how a CPU architecture is programmed.
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08:09<valdyn>wow, 1993
08:09<valdyn>i barely remember
08:09<valdyn>486 cpu
08:09<mase>still have some in thin-clients
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08:11<guff>I still have my good old 486DX around somewhere.. It was a nice computer.. Can't say I've come across any thin clients that have an ISA bus for a while though..
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08:11<mase>333Mhz for example; ISA-Sound card
08:12<mase>power enough to watch DVD (remotely)
08:12<guff>There is a mention to why its removed in the change log actually, just found it: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/alsa-utils/current/changelog#versionversion1.0.17-1
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08:14<guff>And a post from Jordi about it: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS
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08:15<mase>Thanks (damned)
08:16<mase>it saved my life so many times...
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08:16<guff>Could always open a bug (if there isn't already one), as suggested in NEWS, I suppose.
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08:16<jetlinux> I want schema file for ldap server that schema is about faculty,staff,administration,academy of an institute ,I really want this help help ,I just want pointer(hint) I don't want to make him/her tired
08:16<guff>The one I miss is "xf86config", it was a handy little tool back in the day..
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08:18<jetlinux>any one around
08:18<guff>@jetlinux: Sorry, I've no experience with LDAP.
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08:19<jetlinux>no problem ,how about is there a command to see configure flags used by package maintainers
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08:20<eeeuser>jetlinux: you can grab the source package
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08:20<guff>Don't know if there is an easier way, but "apt-get source [...]" and have a look in debian/rules is how I do it.
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08:21<jesperj>I need to encrypt my system partition with LUKS. I don't think it is possible, but to be sure I now ask if I can add LUKS encryption on an allready installed system partition? If not (which is most likely), can I setup a new lenny install on a secondhardrive (with LUKS) and make my original system dualboot into the other installation, and then when I know the new installation works as I want to, remove the first installation and make i
08:21<jesperj>t single boot system again?
08:22<jetlinux>wow i think I am having a great time with debian guys
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08:24<jetlinux>what type of questions is to be asked to people and to google , I think specific to people and generic to google
08:25<abrotman>guff: X -configure ?
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08:26<guff>@jesperj: You have to basically back up the system, format and migrate. But I've never found a benefit to having filesystem level encryption, a lot of stuff gets needlessly encrypted..
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08:28<mase>guff is right; big waste of cpu power
08:28<guff>@abrotman: Its just not as fun as the old days though ;)
08:28<abrotman>ok
08:29<jesperj>guff: but when I install my second lenny install on another harddrive which I then install LUKS on, can I make my original system dualboot into the new system? and then when I know that the new install works, remove the original system and make it singleboot again?
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08:31<fnmueller>jesperj: yes
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08:31<fnmueller>jesperj: all you have to do is configure grub properly
08:32<guff>@jesperj: A better option is probably to install the LUKS support packages into the original system, partition the second drive how you want it and mount it somewhere, then rsync everything across (i.e. basically just image the original install). Then you can boot either one to your hearts content once you set up crypttab.
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08:33<fnmueller>guff: well, it is better, but harder to achieve
08:33<jesperj>yes it does sound a bit harder... but maybe it is worth it
08:35<guff>@jesperj: One thing you could do is practise a few times in Virtualbox/QEMU/VMware/etc. When I first used filesystem encryption, I spent some time just trying it under virtualisation (where I can't break anything), then you'll be able to form your own method that works for how you think.
08:36<guff>In fact, for every major change I do, I tend to try it under virtualisation a few times just to be sure I know what I'm doing and what the results will be.
08:36<jesperj>Im not sure I understand that process fully. installing LUKS and partition the target drive is understood. But I need to learn about crypttab to understand how to dualboot into it I guess.
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08:38<guff>@jesperj: I must admit, LUKS used to terrify me. But this website is amazing: http://www.saout.de/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=LUKS If you read through all of the distribution neutral stuff and the Debian specific stuff (further down), you shouldn't have any problems.
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08:46<jesperj>Thank you gruff. :-) Merry xmas to you, fnmueller and mase.
08:47<fnmueller>jesperj: merry xmas :-)
08:47<guff>@jesperj: No problem, same to you.
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08:50<c36pop>hi could anybody explain how to set my keyboard in azerty in the console (tty) and in GDM
08:51<guff>@c36pop: 'dpkg-reconfigure console-data' should give you some options for setting up the console
08:51<petemc>!azerty
08:51<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
08:52<c36pop>guff: yes is does but i would like it to be persistent between reboots
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08:53<c36pop>for GDM in the past i tweaked xorg.conf with a line like Option "XkbSymbols" "pc+be+level3(ralt_switch_for_alts_toggle)+group
08:53<guff>Umm.. It should be persistent..
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08:54<d35iboy>Hi
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08:55<guff>@c36pop: Thinks to make sure are that you have a keymap in /etc/console/, and that /etc/init.d/keymap.sh is running at boot, but other than that, I haven't a clue..
08:57<c36pop>@guff i have that boottime.kmap.gz ine /et.console
08:57<c36pop>/etc/console
08:57<guff>@c36pop: is keymap.sh listed in /etc/rcS.d/ ?
08:57<c36pop>i ll check , thanks for the infos
08:58<c36pop>no
08:58<c36pop>should be S00keymap ?
08:59<guff>@c36pop: It'll be Sxxkeymap.sh, the "xx" on my machine is 05.
08:59<c36pop>ok i ll link it now thanks then :)
09:00<guff>@c36pop: If that doesn't fix it, then I haven't a clue, so lets hope! :P
09:00<c36pop>the problem is i have my debian for several years now always in testing so sometimes some feature gets broken
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09:01<c36pop>@guff: and for the sound :) when gnome starts, souds is always muted , do you have a clue for that :)
09:01<guff>@c36pop: I used to have the same problem. I finally gave in and test stuff in chroots or virtualisation.
09:03<guff>@c36pop: It'll either be the Gnome mixer applet muting when you log in, or you're not running the alsa-utils init.d script on bootup and shutdown (it saves and restores volume levels).
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09:04<c36pop>@gugg looks like this is all reated to some missing startup scripts , BIG thanks for the advices , i'll check all of that now
09:04<guff>@c36pop: No problem.
09:05<c36pop>BTw oe last question could anybody explains me how to remove the old kernels , i do always compile my owns and i gave severals kernels
09:05<c36pop>in the past i tried to remove old except mine and my debian became unbootable
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09:06<c36pop>i mean is there a save way to do it ?
09:06<guff>c36pop: do you compile your own using the Debian scripts to make your own .deb, or do you compile and install it manually?
09:07<c36pop>make-kpkg -initrd buildpackage --config menuconfig
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09:07<c36pop>i m thinking about copying my partition on another laptop with gparted and making the tests
09:07<c36pop>@guff make my own debs
09:08<guff>@c36pop: Hmm.. Everything should "Just Work" then.. How far does it get in the boot process before it stops?
09:09<c36pop>@guff : i really do not remember it was 2 - 3 years ago , and it is just more like a fear of loosing everything :) maybe it was ever a simple menu.msy misconfiguration
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09:10<c36pop>@guff ; thanks indeed hope i ll could help one day
09:10<guff>@c36pop: Fair enough. I must admit, I stopped compiling my own kernels years ago (out of laziness), but from what I remember, using make-kpkg just sorted it all out for me. Ach well.
09:12<c36pop>thanks have to rebbot ..
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09:19<poison>hi
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09:24<adminuser>look
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09:25<niclas>hey guys, i have a problem with X11 and my ATI X1400, could someone help me ?
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09:25<adminuser>hello
09:25<niclas>hi
09:25<adminuser>you
09:26<niclas>yes?
09:26<adminuser>good morning
09:26<niclas>good morning
09:26<niclas>i m in germany
09:27<guff>@niclas: I'm not an ATI user, so I probably can't help, but some more detail about the problem will make others more likely to respond.
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09:27<adminuser>im algerien
09:27<niclas>my problem is : I have a thinkpad t60 with an ATI Mobility X1400. I have tested the driver ati, vesa, redeon
09:27<niclas>@guff yes ;)
09:27<niclas>my problem is that i dont have much video performance
09:27<adminuser>am sory friend
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09:28<niclas>when I start glxgears or glxgear i become a error , "X Error of failed request: BadRequest "
09:28<adb>guff, try that tape first 2-3 letters from your corespondent user + TAB .. and see the result
09:29<guff>@niclas: Have you tried the fglrx driver?
09:29<niclas>the fglrx doesnt support my grafical card no more
09:29<niclas>btw only with an every old x11
09:29<cahoot>niclas: already exhausted thinkwiki.org?
09:29<guff>niclas: In that case, I have no idea, sorry.
09:30<guff>adb: Thats very handy, cheers :)
09:30<adb>yw
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09:31<niclas>yes cahot
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09:32<niclas>thats the problem
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09:32<niclas>and when i want to install the readeionhd driver i got error by compiling
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09:43<guff>niclas: Isn't the radeonhd driver available through APT?
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09:58<z3r0>Hey everyone.
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09:59<z3r0>What command do I type into XChat irc to join a new serve by domain?
09:59<z3r0>server*
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10:00<SIM_EU>hy you all
10:00<z3r0>Hey. :)
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10:00<z3r0>Can anyone help me with that question?
10:00<SIM_EU>got a problem here
10:00<z3r0>^^
10:00<SIM_EU>im doing apt-gat update
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10:00<SIM_EU>and its coming with a lot of errors
10:01<z3r0>Well, what does it say?
10:01<z3r0>Have you checked your sources.list file?
10:01<z3r0>Maybe you have a mis configured line
10:01<SIM_EU>W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/main/source/Sources Cannot initiate the connection to security.debian.org:80
10:02<SIM_EU>and a few more errors
10:02<SIM_EU>i've never toutched the file
10:02<z3r0>Okay, obvisouly you have internet connection so maybe the deb server is offline
10:02<z3r0>I'll check
10:03<SIM_EU>well last time i connect my debian pc was a month ago and it had this problem
10:03<SIM_EU>i doubt its still down
10:03<z3r0>Okay, well... I'm going to get you something right quick and I'm gonan ask you to chang ea few thing just a moment
10:03<SIM_EU>ok
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10:06<z3r0>Okay, Sim. Do you know how to change your sources list at /etc/sources.list?
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10:06<adb>z3r0, XChat > New> Server Tab , and in xchat bar type "/server irc.freenode.net"
10:06<z3r0>ty
10:06<adb>yw
10:06<z3r0>Sim you still there?
10:07<adb>/etc/apt/sources.list
10:07<z3r0>Yeah, sorry messed up spelling
10:07<z3r0>Just woke up lol
10:07<z3r0>God not spelling location
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10:07<adb>z3r0, morning then ..
10:08<z3r0>Lol, thanks.
10:08<z3r0>It's like 9:08 AM Central time.
10:08<SIM_EU>sorry
10:08<z3r0>Okay, your back. :)
10:08<z3r0>So do you know how to edit /etc/apt/sources.list?
10:08<SIM_EU>gona do that
10:08<SIM_EU>gime a second
10:09<z3r0>Well, I have a new sources.list that I prefer not sure if you would.
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10:09<SIM_EU>gime
10:09<SIM_EU>send it
10:09<SIM_EU>ill replace it
10:09<z3r0>Okay, gimme just a second
10:09<SIM_EU>k
10:09<SIM_EU>:)
10:09<z3r0>###########################################
10:09<z3r0>#Debian Lenny
10:09<z3r0>deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
10:09<z3r0>deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free
10:09<z3r0>########################################
10:09<z3r0>#Multimedia support (latest ffmpeg, mplayer, and more)
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10:10<SIM_EU>just that ?
10:10<SIM_EU>ok
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10:11<z3r0>lol sorry bout that
10:11<z3r0>forgot bout that dang spam bot
10:11<SIM_EU>gona try it now
10:11<z3r0>k
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10:13<SIM_EU>i get this now
10:13<SIM_EU>apt-get update
10:13<SIM_EU>E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
10:13<SIM_EU>E: Unable to lock the list directory
10:13<adb> do it as root
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10:15<SIM_EU>Err http://ftp.nl.debian.org lenny Release.gpg
10:15<SIM_EU> Could not connect to ftp.nl.debian.org:80 (130.89.149.21). - connect (113 No route to host)
10:15<SIM_EU>Err http://ftp.nl.debian.org lenny/main Translation-en_GB
10:15<SIM_EU> Could not connect to ftp.nl.debian.org:80 (130.89.149.21). - connect (113 No route to host)
10:15<SIM_EU>Err http://ftp.nl.debian.org lenny/contrib Translation-en_GB
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10:15<SIM_EU>sorry
10:15<SIM_EU>did you saw it ?
10:15<adb>SIM_EU, fix your network ...
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10:16<SIM_EU>whats rong with my network
10:16<SIM_EU>all the other computers work fine
10:17<SIM_EU>including ubuntu and mandriva
10:17<z3r0>I don't think it's the network cause he's online iwth us rightnow
10:17<adb>"113 No route to host"
10:17<z3r0>with us right now ** sorry bout that
10:18<z3r0>Try rebooting the router or system you have running the network
10:18<SIM_EU>like ive told you
10:19<SIM_EU>i have this problem for more than one month now
10:19<SIM_EU>ive done that
10:19<z3r0>Have you tried resetting your network>?
10:19<SIM_EU>the only diferent thing appened
10:20<SIM_EU>i changed ISP
10:20<z3r0>There you go
10:20<z3r0>ISP might be blockign or it might be an ISP issue contact them
10:20<SIM_EU>ok
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10:20<SIM_EU>weird
10:20<SIM_EU>evrything else works
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10:21<z3r0>Well, it's seems the only logical thing atm.
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10:21<SIM_EU>i have another pc with ubuntu and another with mandriva
10:22<SIM_EU>they work fine
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10:22<z3r0>Okay, well.... either we aren't getting all the info from you or there's a bigger problem
10:22<SIM_EU>do you think if i install everythinh fresh new
10:23<SIM_EU>ill get it to work ?
10:23<adb>SIM_EU, check your net cable too
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10:24<z3r0>If that doesn't get it check your ISP
10:24<z3r0>contact them anyway
10:24<z3r0>I'll be afk for about 30 minutes c ya guys.
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10:47<Xeross>Guys when I try to do http://pastebin.com/m17df471 I get event not found
10:47<Xeross>what am I doing wrong ?
10:48<Xeross>just a matter of escaping
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11:01<cperciva>I need help with Debian packaging: How do I get a directory created via debian/dirs to have non-default permissions?
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11:01<cperciva>In particular, I need it to be created with 0700 permissions
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11:02<abrotman>chmod in the postinst perhaps
11:02<abrotman>!mentors
11:02<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org.
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11:03<cperciva>abrotman: ok, I expected there would be a more standard way of doing it -- should I ask in #debian-mentors?
11:04<abrotman>you can
11:04<cperciva>thanks
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11:05<eda>Je to fukcni
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11:06<abrotman>eda: english please
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11:11<z3r0>Hey everyone. :) I'm back
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11:20<z3r0>Well..... fine don't talk..... :P
11:23<adb>"don'talk to talk, talk only"
11:24<z3r0>Do who now?
11:24<z3r0>:P
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11:40<z3r0>Hey, how do I format a new hard drive in a console? I forget lol
11:40<petemc>mkfs.ext3 /dev/foo
11:40<vhann>man mke2fs
11:40<OdyX>man fdisk
11:40<nethic>man cfdisk
11:40<vhann>fdisk and cfdisk won't "format" the hard drive guys
11:41<z3r0>It's on the primary IDE on the lave port
11:41<z3r0>slave*
11:41<nethic>oh ya thats right it only makes and sets partition types
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11:41<z3r0>So how can I format it do I need to mount it first?
11:42<vhann>z3r0: Do you know what the device name is? (i.e. /dev/sda) ?
11:42<vhann>s/i.e./e.g./
11:42<z3r0>Yeah, it's /dev/hda2
11:43<vhann>z3r0: That's a partition device, not a hard disk one
11:43<z3r0>Idk then it's on te primary IDE and it's the slave
11:43<vhann>z3r0: Do you want to format a hdd or only a partition?
11:43<z3r0>Format
11:44<OdyX>note that "formatting" can also be meant as "getting rid of what's on the disk" rather than "getting a new partition"
11:44<OdyX>hda2 is not the slave… it's the second partition of the master…
11:44<OdyX>hda is the master, hdb is the slave
11:44<z3r0>WEll, then how the hell do I do it? and okay, so how do I do it?.
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11:45<z3r0>I just want the command
11:45<OdyX>hdaX are partitions with X being the partition number
11:45<vhann>z3r0: Send us a Paypal donation and we might address your commands
11:45<vhann>In the meantime, be polite, nobody is obliged to help you
11:46<cperciva>abrotman: ok, the official answer seems to be to add a chmod into debian/rules immediately after dh_fixperms
11:46<cperciva>and that seems to fix the problem
11:46<z3r0>Well, you know whenI haveforty people tryingto tell me how to do it it gets frustrating
11:46<cperciva>abrotman: thanks for pointing me in the right direction :-)
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11:47<petemc>z3r0: hwinfo --disk , will list your hard disks and their device names
11:47<petemc>z3r0: then you can use mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 or whatever to create a filesystem on the partition
11:48<vhann>petemc: fdisk -l does it too (and is probably more standard)
11:48<petemc>who cares about standard
11:48<petemc>you need to know what to run fdisk one
11:48<petemc>s/one/on/
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11:48<vhann>petemc: no, try that 'fdisk -l'
11:48<z3r0>Petemc, Thanks a lot your the only one who really helped It's done now
11:49<petemc>np
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11:51<smiley>Hmm...
11:51<smiley>How do I identify myself?
11:51<petemc> /msg nickserv help
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11:52<z3r0>Thanks everyone for the help
11:52<z3r0>Just one more question what is the chmod value to allow permissions all around?
11:52<z3r0>777?
11:52<smiley>777
11:52<z3r0>ty
11:53<smiley>np
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11:54<adminuser>mooh
11:55<adminuser>hi
11:55<z3r0>Eh
11:56<smiley>..lazy sundays
11:56<z3r0>lol yep
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12:12<emanu>ciao a tutti
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12:15<wnd>!it
12:15<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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12:32<ga_bash>hi I am using debian 5.0 lenny . and I am facing some problems playing the video in the youtube. I guess its something to do with old flash plugins. But If I try to update the flash plugin from their official site , it doesnt work as they list some dependancy libraries
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12:34<abrotman>ga_bash: which flash are oyu using ?
12:34<ga_bash>apparently I need Adobe Flash Player version 10.0.42.34
12:34<ga_bash>Linux as this is the latest version. but debian supports too old ones I guess. anyone.? thanks.
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12:35<ga_bash>abrotman, how to check that ?
12:35<abrotman>ga_bash: about:plugins
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12:37<ga_bash>abrotman, sorry but what do you mean by about:plugins? is there a cmd to check the version?
12:37<abrotman>ga_bash: that's in the browser
12:39<ga_bash>abrotman, In plugins section of my browser(iceweasel) I am not able to find any flash plugins.
12:40<abrotman>!tell ga_bash about adobe flash
12:41<ga_bash>abrotman, then its possibly not in my browser.
12:41<abrotman>see what the bot told you about how to install adobe flash
12:41<ga_bash>ah... let me see
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12:42<ga_bash>abrotman, thanks. I will check debian-multimedia.org
12:42<abrotman>ga_bash: backports.org might be easier .. but up to you
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12:45<ga_bash>abrotman, I put up deb ftp://ftp.debian-multimedia.org lenny main . Its fetching it. thanks again
12:45<abrotman>enjoy
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12:46<ga_bash>abrotman, another question: previously I worked with lenny and there were no issues with flash videos. This one apparently I installed through scratch (netinstall) working my way through xorg and stuffs. and I was facing problems
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12:48<dechang>sorry, i was rebooted after pressing ur Ctrl + F1
12:48<dechang>i actually running them inside a virtualbox
12:48<abrotman>ga_bash: there are some free flash alternatives that sometimes work with youtube .. you may have installed one of those
12:49<abrotman>dechang: you were also on freenode before .. and i don't think you rebooted
12:49<ga_bash>abrotman, yes the first cd of debian might have contained those packages and I would have installed them accidently
12:49<dechang>well, i just login back
12:49<abrotman>no, the first CD doesn't not contain flash ..
12:50<dechang>so, what is the key press just now ? abrotman , i lost all the irc screen
12:50<abrotman>are you in X now ?
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12:50<dechang>yeah
12:51<dechang>running crunchbang linux with virtualbox
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12:53<ga_bash>abrotman, after installing it . there is no improvement in the video. Its still blurring and stopping in b/w. :(
12:53<abrotman>dechang: what does that have to do with Debian ?
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12:53<abrotman>ga_bash: make sure oyu're actually using that Adobe Flash with about:plugins
12:54<dechang>crunchbang based on ubuntu and ubuntu bases on debian?
12:54<abrotman>and you have to restart all the browsers
12:54<abrotman>dechang: so how is this Debian?
12:54<abrotman>dechang: if you need help with crunchbang .. ask them, not us
12:54<ga_bash>abrotman, yep I installed the Adobe flash and also restarted the browser.
12:54<dechang>i am trying to install the debian
12:54<abrotman>so use about:plugins to verify it works
12:54<dechang>in a virtualbox
12:55<abrotman>so what about the installer doesn't work ?
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13:01<niclas>Q: Know anybody a programm, like JDownloader ( Downloader for OneClickHoster ) for the CLI? I'm only interested in Netload and Rapidshare Download
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13:04<dechang>sorry, could i use the debian 5.01 dvd1 to perform minimal installation?
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13:05<abrotman>yes, i told you that
13:05<abrotman>!ig
13:05<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
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13:05<dechang>ok, sorry if i annoy u. sorry
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13:05<niclas>know anybody about some programm like i need ?
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14:14<satanus>anyone here use openbox with stalonetray?
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14:28<German>hi, somebody knows if debian have a cron or something like a cron that kills some proccesses weekly? :S
14:28<petemc>it doesnt
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14:29<German>sure? i need to desable it because is killing my online radio proccess al sundays after 2.30am... i don't know why it happens
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14:30<German>:S
14:30<bighornram>I have a new squeeze install yesterday, no gnome volume control applet - but have sound with "speaker-test -Dplug:surround51 -c6 -twave". Startup Applications has gnome-volume-control-applet starting, when I run it in commandline I get "** (gnome-volume-control-applet:30801): WARNING **: Connection failed, reconnecting..." Any ideas? Thanks
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14:36<dawid_jaworski>hi. Could Sb help me with my IBM T60 touchpad configuration? - I can't click by it - Debian Squeeze
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14:42<metalqga>click by it?
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14:43<dawid_jaworski>:P
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14:44<dawid_jaworski>by touching twice the pouchepad
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14:45<petemc>dawid_jaworski: do you have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed?
14:46<dawid_jaworski>yes
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14:47<petemc>you might need to toggle something with gsynaptics
14:47<Lethalman_>or maybe read the Xorg.0.log
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14:53<dawid_jaworski>Lethalman_: Xotg_0.log looks ok - synaptic module is loaded and there are no errors - Besides clicking it works correctly
14:53<abrotman>gsynaptics ?
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14:54<dawid_jaworski>what's it? gsynaptics ?
14:56<petemc>a way to configure the synaptics driver
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14:57<dawid_jaworski>I don't have such program
14:57<petemc>aptitude install gsynaptics
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14:59<dechang>register
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15:00<dechang>REGISTER 4715z infrasonic@ymail.com
15:00<petemc>dechang: you're supposed to do that in a query window with nickserv, not here
15:01<dawid_jaworski>petemc: Thanks a lot
15:01<dechang>sorry, i miss the window
15:01<petemc>i suggest using a different password
15:01<dechang>lol
15:01<dechang>ok
15:01<petemc>dawid_jaworski: np
15:01<dechang>sorry for my stupid, i just realize
15:01<metalqga>:D
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15:02<metalqga>i've done that too ;p
15:02<dechang>this XChat is ... omg..
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15:07<amphi>dechang: irssi ;)
15:08<dechang>thanks... will try it :P
15:09<dechang>btw, how to set the debian to use my DVD1 to install packages, (post instalation)
15:09<amphi>you might have to do a bit of fiddling to get it working as you like, but then it's a pleasure to use
15:09<dechang>don't want the latest, because using 3g right now
15:10<dechang>amphi, using lenny here, wonder it is inside packager ?
15:10<amphi>it is
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15:11<dechang>terminal based IRC client...
15:11<dechang>:P
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15:16<dechang>sorry, is there a sysinstall like for debian lenny?
15:16<dechang>post installation..
15:17<dechang>i guess it is aptitude. sorry
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15:21<mercutio22>I am having multiple issues with my system. When I add a program entry to the startup applications, it does not work. As a consequence, I can't have compiz startup properly and if I call compiz on the command line, gnome-panel disappears
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15:24<metalqga>dechang: try opera, nice mail and irc clients
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15:25<dechang>thanks, metalqga i used that before , it is real nice :)
15:26<metalqga>i use irssi only in rescue mode :)
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15:27<dechang>the irssi looks hard to use (guess maybe only for pro) not for people like me.
15:28<dechang>lots of commands there
15:28<metalqga>no, same old irc commands
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15:30<dechang>metalqga, if i run aptitude on cli, and already have the debian dvd1 mounted, do i need to sort of manually tell the aptitude to use the dvd1? coz i don't want it to downloads from the mirror.
15:30<metalqga>just add it to the sources.list
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15:30<dechang>ok. i try
15:30<metalqga>and then aptitude update
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15:32<dechang>ic, thanks a lot metalqga
15:32<metalqga>this is my line, that I've # commented out deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.0 _Lenny_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20090214-16:54]/ lenny contrib main
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15:33<dechang>mine is 5.0.1
15:33<dechang>:) thanks
15:33<dechang>gonna do aptitude install xorg
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15:34<dechang>running the debian inside virtualbox. linux rules :)
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15:37<amphi>dechang: debian runs ok on the bare metal, FWIW
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15:38<dechang>so far i put crunchbang on my laptop, virtualbox running debian lenny, but maybe sooner or later if i know more about debian, i will switch my laptop to debian lenny
15:38<amphi>crunchbang?
15:38<dechang>crunchbang is cool, everything work out of box.
15:38<dechang>yeah, crunchbang linux
15:38<metalqga>amphi don't ask :P
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15:38*amphi basks in ignorance
15:38<metalqga>based on ubuntu, based on debian :P a few hours ago we found out about it
15:38<dechang>lol
15:39<dechang>it is one of the top distro out there.
15:39<amphi>oh; a malformed grandchild of debian? ;)
15:39<dechang>lol
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15:39<metalqga>:D
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15:40<dechang>my startx works, now time to put more :) evil :P lxde
15:40<amphi>DEs are _so_ last millenium
15:41<dechang>icewm... hmmm
15:42<mase>is there a rus->eng database for dict?
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15:43<dechang>cool icewm :)
15:43<dechang>man, i love debian
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15:46<metalqga>why?
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15:47<dechang>cool .... i should use debian last year..
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15:47<dechang>too bad. till now only i could understand how it works
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15:51<amphi>dechang: xmonad ;)
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15:57<dechang>amphi, xmonad seems to looks abit like the plan9
15:58<Simpleismon>question: does anybody know a good firm in denmark og sweden where you can get a Debian server hosted for a small sum of chash?
15:58<dechang>cool!!
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15:59<amphi>dechang: ;)
16:00<amphi>acme...
16:02<mase>Simpleismon why do you consist on denmark/sweden companies? there are many companies around europe
16:03<metalqga>good night, dechang. amphi
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16:03<Simpleismon>mase the users on the site is going to be danish so by chosing a dansih or swedish firm, i thought it would lower the ms
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16:04<abrotman>!hosting
16:04<dpkg>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting
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16:05<mase>Simpleismon ok. is this really mensurable? for example with german servers? i really don't know...
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16:07<Simpleismon>mase oh a german server would be fine to, eventhough i think the internet backbone to all of denmark is going through sweden
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16:09<Simpleismon>mase do you know any good comewhere close to denmark then (:
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16:12<mase>Simpleismon sorry, im not nearly living in that region, but it shouldn't be a problem to find providers in your area, does it? there are usualy more providers than web-developers :D
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16:14<Simpleismon>mase hehe maybe you are right ^^ im just doing a little research before strating the programming of a internet community for punkrock music. I dont want to endt up with a shitty host
16:14<mase>Simpleismon good idea...
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16:16<mase>Simpleismon well, df.eu is one of the biggest providers... i just have a domain there, without server
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16:18<dechang>holly cow, i think i am with lot of luck tonite
16:18<dechang>successfully set up debian lenny in my virtualbox with guest addition :)
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16:20<dechang>but the mouse doesn't seems to work properly inside it.
16:20<mase>Simpleismon in opposition friends of mine had problems with strato (which might be active in sweden/denmark); server disappeared without any warnings...
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17:14<dechang>any other tools lighter than webmin?
17:16<@Ganneff>!webmin
17:16<dpkg>i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
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17:17<dechang>so, alternative?
17:17<dechang>2005?
17:17<abrotman>!dtc
17:17<dpkg>DTC is Domain Technologie Control, a GPL-licensed web hosting control panel - http://www.gplhost.com/software-dtc.html, or apt-cache show dtc-toaster
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17:17<dechang>ok :) thanks
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17:19<dechang>nite..
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17:21<brlancer>dell e6400 w/ Squeeze, it regularly thinks I have a stuck modifier key (super, shift, ctrl)
17:23<brlancer>I just did a dist-upgrade, so I've got whatever's most recent but this has been going on since I installed the system more than a month ago
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17:31<odla>I am getting temporary failure resolving 'debian.osuosl.org' when i run aptitude update ... yet i am connected to the internet with that computer ... how can i troubleshoot this?
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17:32<brlancer>odla: what does 'getent hosts debian.osuosl.org' return?
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17:33<odla>brlancer: it says ... 64.50.236.52 ftp.osuosl.org debian.osuosl.org
17:36<odla>brlancer: ?
17:37<odla>does this have to do with something like /etc/resolv.conf?
17:37<brlancer>no, that's what 'getent' just showed
17:37<brlancer>check your apt.conf and make sure there aren't any typos or non-printing characters
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17:37<odla>brlancer: it was fine ... then i updated to squeeze and now i'm getting this
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17:37<brlancer>as far as I know, aptitude uses the system resolver so it should work
17:39<odla>what could be the issue?
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17:40<brlancer>odla: if getent returns properly, it isn't a problem with the system resolver
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17:41<brlancer>so that points to aptitude; afaik, it uses the system resolver so I would check apt.conf
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17:42<brlancer>well, /etc/apt/mirror.list, it looks like - and any settings in apt.conf.d, maybe using a proxy or something
17:42<grondilu>Hi, I'm considering buying a bluetooth key for mylaptop, but I wonder if it will be recognized by Debian (Lenny). How efficient is Lenny to support this kind of hardware ? I there a list of supported keys somewhere ?
17:43<odla>where is apt.conf located?
17:43<odla>i tried find apt.conf but got no hit
17:43<brlancer>odla: use /etc/apt/mirror.list
17:43<odla>brlancer: i don't have that
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17:43<brlancer> /etc/apt/sources.list
17:44*brlancer grumbles about files changing locations
17:44<odla>ok ... the only thing i have there is 'deb ftp://debian.osuosl.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free
17:44<grondilu>Hi, I'm considering buying a bluetooth key for my laptop (eeePC 900), but I wonder if it will be recognized by Debian (Lenny). How efficient is Lenny with this kind of hardware ? I there a list of supported keys somewhere ?
17:44<odla>w/o the ' of course
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17:47<themill>brlancer: changing locations?
17:49<brlancer>themill: yeah, I'm a bit high on cold medicine and full of crap :)
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17:50<odla>there's got to be something wrong here. does it have to do with me not fully upgrading an important package and leaving my system half broken?
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17:50<brlancer>odla: try a different mirror
17:51<odla>brlancer: i have ... i've tried 3 mirrors
17:51<brlancer>how were you changing mirrors?
17:52<odla>via sources.lst by editing it by hand
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17:55<brlancer>odla: ok, I don't have any other suggestions then
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17:55<odla>brlancer: thanks for trying
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18:45<WoadWarrior>hello.
18:46<WoadWarrior>anyone here knowledgable concerning printers_
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18:56<deniz>why doesn't my squeeze os play mp3 or even ogg vorbis music?
18:56<deniz>im guessing i need to install a codec but what specifically?
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18:58<corban>Player?
19:00<deniz>corban, rhytmbox and totem both dont work
19:00<ml|>lame for mp3 and vorbis-tools for ogg
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19:05<corban>Try mplayer
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19:13<deniz>corban, k, ill try it out now, 2 secs
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19:15<deniz>corban, it works in there but why?
19:16<deniz>why cant i use rhythmbox?
19:16<ml|>mplayer installed what you need and supports just about every format out there
19:16<deniz>ml|, but i tried using totem after installing mplayer and it still doesnt work
19:16<ml|>deniz: try installing those codecs above, mplayer just affects mplayer
19:17<deniz>o i just saw that you typed that, ill try it
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19:19<abrotman>ml|: you don't need lame to play mp3
19:20<ml|>abrotman: you need something to decode lame does that, tho something else can be used
19:21<abrotman>ml|: no, you do NOT need lame to play mp3
19:21<abrotman>lots of other things in Debian do that already .. no need to grab lame at all
19:21<ml|>you abrotman read what i said
19:21<Holborn>totem use gstreamer ... maybe they need some gstreamer mp3 plugin ..
19:22<ml|>abrotman: ^ i know that
19:22<abrotman>but why the hell would suggest something that needs a third-party repo
19:22<abrotman>Holborn: so does rhythmbox
19:22<abrotman>maybe have him try a console mp3 player instead of something tied to X/gnome
19:23<ml|>because is what i prefer and most have dmm anyways
19:23<abrotman>i don't
19:23<Holborn>rhythmbox use gstreamer too
19:23<abrotman>lots of people don't
19:23<ml|>he did, read up
19:23<corban>Maybe prevent arts?
19:23<abrotman>where?
19:23<abrotman>where did he say he has debian-multimedia ?
19:24<ml|>< deniz> corban, it works in there but why?
19:24<ml|>< corban> Try mplayer
19:24<abrotman>he said he'd try mplayer .. which is in Debian .. so has nothing to do with dmm
19:24<abrotman>you can't know which mplayer he used
19:24<ml|>abrotman: so what
19:24<abrotman>wtf ..
19:24<abrotman>stop "helping"
19:24<Holborn>lol
19:24<ml|>abrotman: stfu
19:25<abrotman>you didn't help the guy at all
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19:25<ml|>why cause i said to use lame from dmm
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19:26<abrotman>because you didn't even try to debug the issue
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19:27<Holborn>I never used totem or rhthmbox .. but I don't think that you can configure lame as decoder in this progs ...
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19:27<abrotman>Holborn: what does that matter .. everyone uses DMM!
19:27<s3a>ml|, the vorbis codec worked so thanks but what was it called again because im on another computer now
19:28<abrotman>s3a: how did you install rhythmbox ?
19:28<ml|>s3a: vorbis-tools
19:28<s3a>abrotman, i think it was there by default and ml| thanks again
19:28<ml|>s3a: sorry forgot to mention you need dmm for lame
19:28<abrotman>s3a: so you still can't play mp3?
19:29<s3a>ml|, lame didn't even install
19:29<abrotman>s3a: you have no reason whatsoever to use DMM or lame .. don't bother
19:29<ml|>!dmm
19:29<dpkg>i heard dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>.
19:29<s3a>ml|, but i convert my mp3s to oggs anyway
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19:29<ml|>s3a: no need either use lame or something else to decode mp3's
19:29<abrotman>do NOT install lame
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19:30<ml|>abrotman: STFU he can use what he likes!!
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19:30<s3a>yo relax guys
19:30<abrotman>dude .. it won't help him
19:30<Holborn>:-)
19:30<ml|>abrotman: why?
19:30<abrotman>ml|: tell him how to specify lame as a decoder in rhythmbox
19:31<ml|>abrotman: ok that i don't know i use mplayer
19:31<abrotman>anyways ...
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19:32<abrotman>s3a: in paste.debian.net .. put the output of `dpkg -l gstreamer*`
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19:34<ml|>so you need to specify in rhythmbox in order to decode mp3's?
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19:35<abrotman>no, that's the issue .. it uses gstreamer
19:35<Holborn>ml rhythmbox use gstreamer ... the gstreamer plugin fordecode mp3 is from fluendo ... I don't know if is on the debian repositories or in dmm
19:35<abrotman>it's in debian
19:35<abrotman>he will need -bad or -ugly
19:36<abrotman>or both
19:36<s3a>abrotman, "No packages found matching gstreamer.
19:36<s3a>"
19:36<Holborn>damn :-)
19:36<abrotman>gstreamer* ?
19:36<abrotman>and you have rhythmbox installed ?
19:37<deniz>o ya wait
19:37<deniz>oops
19:37<ml|>ok, sorry did not know that, thought it would just work like installing vorbis-tools did
19:37<ml|>now i know ;)
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19:37<abrotman>s3a: which version of debian is this ?
19:38<deniz>abrotman, squeeze
19:38<deniz>sorry if i reply from different names lol its cuz im going from one comp to another
19:38<abrotman>it's okay
19:38*abrotman pulls out his secret decoder ring
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19:39<deniz>abrotman, http://pastebin.com/m7fad472b
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19:40<abrotman>that didn't really help
19:40<abrotman>deniz: aptitude install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamers0.10-plugins-ugly .. restart rhytthmbox and see if it works
19:41<abrotman>though he appears to have them ..
19:41<Holborn>I think the have both :-)
19:41<Holborn>yes
19:41<abrotman>it's hard to tell from his paste
19:41<icebrain>it's 20 and 24, no?
19:41<abrotman>oh .. /me reads the description
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19:42<icebrain>sorry, 20 and 27
19:42<abrotman>icebrain: i was trying ot do it from the versoin numbers
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19:42<Holborn>install this one ... of you have ... gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3
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19:44<deniz>Holborn, are you telling me that?
19:44<abrotman>he does have the pulseaudio .. that i don't have
19:44<Holborn>yes
19:44<deniz>Holborn, apt-cache policy says "Installed: (none)
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19:44<deniz>"
19:44<deniz>basically i dont have it
19:44<deniz>it being "gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3"
19:46<deniz>apt-get install gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 made mp3 work thanks
19:46<abrotman>i'ts in the -ugly
19:46<abrotman>that's a bit odd .. i don't have that, just -ugly, and rhythmbox plays mp3 just fine
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19:47<abrotman>maybe i can have better mp3s ?
19:47<Holborn>lol
19:48<ml|>Holborn: btw thanks for explaining
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19:49<abrotman>ml|: and FWIW .. i'm still not sure LAME does mp3 decryption, but i'm not going to install it to find out
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19:50<abrotman>just imagine if the most popular audio format were DFSG-free
19:50<Holborn>abrotman: maybe the ugly packet was splited in a newer version
19:50<abrotman>perhaps .. i'm on squeeze also though
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19:53<ml|>abrotman: you are right it's an encoder, my memory failed me on that mp3 question
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19:55<abrotman>well, it still may decode, but i know it's known for being an encoder
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19:59<ml|>from what i read quickly just says it encodes
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20:04<ml|>s3a: deniz, btw sorry for bad advice on lame stuff
20:05<s3a>ml no need to apologize
20:05<s3a>ml|, im just thankful for all the help :)
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20:07<s3a>ml|, plus its not the first time either, i dont no if u remember me cuz i always switch names
20:07<ml|>s3a: first time?
20:09<s3a>that u help me
20:09<s3a>u taught me about ssh i think amongst other things
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20:10<ml|>s3a: np, i just don't like giving bad advice
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20:21<nigelcourtney>hello , has anyone ever popped debian onto a proliant before?
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20:27<jmarsden>nigelcourtney: http://wiki.debian.org/HP/ProLiant
20:27<icebrain>jmarsden: he's gone..
20:27<jmarsden>Oh well...
20:30<abrotman>and he never specified which one
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20:52<z3r0>Hey peoples! :)
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21:14<z3r0>I'm so bored.....
21:16<z3r0>Can someone help me?
21:16<z3r0>I got a question regarding PHPMyAdmin
21:16<z3r0>and apache2
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21:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:30<z3r0>First off dpkg calm your jets no need to spam me for no apparent reason and you come accross as an ass no offense. Jeeze and I fixed it myself
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21:31<z3r0>And I said that because I wanted someone who knew what they were talking about to help me with the subject.'
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21:36<ml|>z3r0: dpkg is a bot if you didn't know and you should just ask your question, if someone knows they will help
21:37<z3r0>Really, a bot wow what a brain for a bot to be able to read what I had posted trippy man lol
21:37<z3r0>Kinda new to this chat thingy. Used to doing it all on my own
21:37<z3r0>sorry
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21:49<_2>i found the root cause of the boot issue i was asking about yesterday. "no link in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ for the usbstick" it seems that the system can handel partitionless internal disks (ide/scsi/sata) but can't seem to handle external partitionless (usb in particular) creating a partition and migrating to there fixed my boot issue. ;/
21:52<_2>some how that seems backwards, that i can cleanly boot a partitionless internal disk with grub2/debian etch, but can't do the same with and external (usb) grub2 debian etch by root=UUID=*
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21:53<_2>s/and/an/
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22:49<kop>I have a regular desktop, is there any advantage in having acpid installed?
22:50<abrotman>sure
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23:00<z3r0>Hey will somone help me figure out why I am getting errors when I try to install ircd-irc2 on lenny the errors are dpkg: error processing ircd-irc2 (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 255 Errors were encountered while processing: ircd-irc2 E Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
23:03<z3r0>anyone?
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23:15<z3r0>So can anyone help me or not?
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23:16<z3r0>Omg, no one ever talks on this dang thing
23:16<ml|>z3r0: just wait, someone may help you
23:17<z3r0>Well, it gets very boring just waiting on a response
23:18<craigevil>z3r0: try #debian on irc.freenode.net usually more ppl there if no one answers here
23:19<gesichtslos>Hey, I'm trying to install Debian Lenny on my Dell PowerEdge 4400. I have the SCSI drives plugged directly into the mobo and not the raid card but the installer still isn't able to find them. They're Seagate Cheetah's (36.4GB) Any ideas? Or am I stuck with CentOS :[
23:19<ml|>z3r0: if you get no response in about few hours, ask again
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23:21<z3r0>Tried other distros like etch?
23:21<z3r0>Just a suggestion
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23:26<ml|>z3r0: etch is debian also; etch=old stable and lenny is current stable
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23:33<z3r0>Hey will somone help me figure out why I am getting errors when I try to install ircd-irc2 on lenny the errors are dpkg: error processing ircd-irc2 (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 255 Errors were encountered while processing: ircd-irc2 E Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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23:39<Holborn>z3r0: try to see the script ... maybe you can locate the problem ..
23:41<Holborn>z3r0: the scipt is located in /var/lib/dpkg/info ... package.name,postinst .. well if fails in some wird thing you can modify ... well that's not so elegant ... but works ..
23:42<ml|>z3r0: you can also check bts for more info ... /msg dpkg bts
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23:50<cantik>hi
23:50<z3r0>Hey :)
23:51<cantik>u cp?????????
23:51<z3r0>What's cp?
23:52<adb> What's u ?
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23:52<z3r0>lol U is like you
23:52<adb>!u
23:52<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
23:52<cantik>who are u???????
23:52<z3r0>lolz
23:52<z3r0>I'm z3r0
23:52<z3r0>:)
23:53<z3r0>The not so famous person who hacks ftp servers :P
23:53<z3r0>lol
23:53<ml|>adb: hello
23:53<adb>hello ml|
23:54<cantik>where do u from?????????
23:54<z3r0>I'm from USA
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23:55<cantik>are u really????????
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23:56<z3r0>Yeah, from Oklahoma
23:57<cantik>what your full name???????
23:57<z3r0>Not important
23:58<cantik>oooo...........its ok.
23:58<cantik>but why????????
23:58<amphi>it's not even tardsday...
23:58<z3r0>Because I go by a handle for a reason
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23:59<z3r0>Don't like people knowing my name
23:59<ml|>!ot
23:59<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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