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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-12-23

---Logopened Wed Dec 23 00:00:15 2009
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00:46<ImJJames>tem > Preferences > Appearance, set Visual Effects to 'none'.
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00:46<ImJJames>its not in my xubuntu 9.10
00:46<ImJJames>...
00:47<ImJJames>i dont see VIsual effects option
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01:17<fossiiil>i found some recommendations on how to disable ipv6 networking...they advise to avoid loading of ipv6 module...
01:18<fossiiil>but lsmod doesn't show "ipv6"...
01:18<fossiiil>can it be under new name in Ubuntu Karmic?
01:18<Kvant>ubuntu? this is #debian
01:19<Kvant>besides it's possible it's not a module, but inlcuded in the kernel
01:19<edhunter>well lsmod shows ipv6 here but im not on ubuntu
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01:22<Kvant>in lenny it's a module, in squeeze it's included
01:22<fossiiil>strange...netstat reports listening ports on ::1 ...
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01:22<fossiiil> /etc/hosts also contains ipv6 entries
01:23<Kvant>are there inet6 lines in /sbin/ifconfig ?
01:23<fossiiil>so, maybe my kernel was compiler with ipv6 option?
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01:24<edhunter>fossiiil: wouldnt u get better support in an ubuntu chan ? debian kernel and ubuntu kernel is not the same
01:24<sney>!ubuntu
01:24<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
01:24<fossiiil>ok, thanks anyway, guys
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01:59*PhorceP is away - Auto-idle - messages will be saved.
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02:04<fossiiil>How do i pass kernel parameter to boot menu entry? I just realized i have grub2 which is different from grub1
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02:05<sney>in debian, it's in /etc/default/grub
02:06<sney>but ubuntu does who knows what, and you should really ask in the correct channel
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02:06<sney>People in #debian don't use ubuntu so we are mostly unable to support it.
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02:21<amitz>say, in my debian lenny, I can print buy choosing file->print. But I always fail to print when the print button I pressed comes from any webpage? How should I approach this problem?
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02:22<amitz>perhaps it's matter but the printer is on other computer. Yet other printing can be normally forwarded to the printer I want.
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02:23<amitz>s/it's matter but/it matters:/
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02:32<rida1990>?
02:33<sney>!
02:33<rida1990>its 2 am and this is finally working :)
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02:40<winterborn>clear
02:41<rida1990>isn't there a / before?
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03:43<paranoidphreak>hi everybody, i have noticed something weird when i run the "chess" game; my cpu's speed is 100% when i run this app otherwise it's performing @ about15%, is that normal? (Dual core, intel processor)
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03:57<Blackhold>hello, does anyone use expect command?
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04:31<jmm>hi
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04:42<amitz>Blackhold: don't ask to ask, just ask.
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04:54<sheldonh>i'm packaging the e1000e driver. i installed my e1000e-source package, and did module-assistant auto-install e1000e. i get e1000e.ko installed where i expected it. i was also expecting to end up with dpkg -l telling me i had e1000e-modules installed. is that a poor expectation?
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05:04<babilen>why do you have to built that module? IIRC it is part of the standard kernel
05:04<babilen>!e1000e
05:04<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, e1000e is a driver for Intel PRO/1000 Ethernet adapters. Support for the 82574L controller (found in ASUS Z8PE-D12 and Supermicro X8STi-F motherboards) was introduced in linux-2.6 2.6.26-18 (Debian bug #534519), ask me about <5.0.3>. Support for 82577/82578 GbE LOM parts added to mainline in 2.6.31-rc1. The driver can alternatively be built out-of-tree using sources from ...
05:05<sheldonh>babilen, the version in everything prior to 2.6.31 is ancient, and doesn't support several newer chips that are hard to avoid
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05:06<babilen>sheldonh: and no, your expectation is not wrong. So the situation is the following: You built the modules just fine, they are installed and loadable, but aptitude does not know about the installed package?
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05:07<wvsfxr>Hi, I'm trying to compile a driver for my wacom bamboo tablet. An error occurs: linux/bound.h File not found. Does anybody know which package is missing or is the problem that I use debian and the driver is for ubuntu?
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05:07<sheldonh>babilen, correct
05:07<babilen>sheldonh: And the package your are building is your own package (as in your are the maintainer) and you wonder if you made any mistaked in the debianisation process?
05:08<sheldonh>babilen, exactly right :)
05:08<babilen>hehe ... I guess that #debian-mentors are the correct place to ask packagaing question. If something pops into my mind, i'll let you know. But right now I don't have a good idea.
05:09<sheldonh>schweet, thanks
05:09<sheldonh>was chatting on #debian-mentors, but things got quiet when it got all the way to this point, and i thought "well, maybe they're silently telling me that this is no longer a packaging problem" :)
05:09<sheldonh>babilen, but thanks, your answer is enough. there's still work to do in my source package :(
05:09<babilen>sheldonh: The mentors ML might also be worth a try.
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05:11<babilen>sheldonh: I am not sure about that. There are so many components involved (m-a, dpkg, your packaging, ...) that it is hard to pin point. But I think it is most likely your packaging (no offence) that is to blame
05:11<sheldonh>babilen, no offense taken. i've never produced a -source package for m-a before :)
05:12<babilen>sheldonh: me neither
05:13<babilen>sheldonh: And you are sure that neither aptitude nor dpkg knows about the package? What does apt-cache show <binary-package-you-built> say?
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05:14<sheldonh>babilen, yup, neither dpkg nor apt-cache know about it
05:15<sheldonh>babilen, problem is, i'm finding it hard to find a -source package that builds against etchnhalf, that i can compare against :)
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05:17<sheldonh>babilen, interesting. the debian/control file in /usr/src/modules/loop-aes specifies a -modules Package, while my debian/control in /usr/src/modules/e1000e specifies a -source Package. that's gotta be it
05:17<babilen>sheldonh: What's the name of the binary package? Is it mentioned in /var/log/dpkg.log?
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05:18<babilen>sheldonh: debugging through confession :-D
05:18<sheldonh>babilen, nope. and now i see, it wouldn't be. what my -source package installs is just plain broken. now just to figure out how to produce fixed :)
05:19<babilen>sheldonh: I would say your best bet is to wait for answers on #debian-mentors or rather on the mailing list.
05:19<sheldonh>babilen, i've looked at loop-aes' rules file, and it's radically simpler than my own. it seems to rely on gencontrol.py
05:19<sheldonh>babilen, thanks for the help
05:20<babilen>*shrug* done nothing actually ...
05:20<babilen>but you are welcome, good luck and have a good day!
05:21<sheldonh>babilen, minds++ :)
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05:28<babilen>wvsfxr: Is the driver not included in xserver-xorg-input-wacom?
05:28<babilen>sheldonh: lintian might give a few clues as well
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05:33<wvsfxr>babilen: I'm not sure. In ubuntuforums they say no.
05:33<babilen>wvsfxr: ubuntu != Debian ... So you are not trying to compile the linuxwacom source?
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05:35<wvsfxr>babilen: Surely am I trying linuxwacom source.
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05:37<nag>how to connect net in debian
05:37<babilen>wvsfxr: Have you installed xserver-xorg-input-wacom? That is the binary package of linuxwacom in Debian.
05:39<babilen>nag: edit /etc/network/interfaces or use something like network-manager or wicd
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05:44<wvsfxr>babilen: Yes, i do have xserver-xorg-input-wacom installed. The problem is, the tablet is not correctly identified. But maybe it is a configuration problem. The xorg.conf configuration samples say: ... Option "Device" "/dev/input/wacom" ... , but i do not have such a device.
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05:45<babilen>wvsfxr: I do not have a wacom tablet, but it might be that you have to load a kernel module. What is the output of "modprobe -v wacom" ?
05:46<babilen>wvsfxr: And could you paste the output of 'dmesg | tail -n 20' somehwere (http://paste.debian.net) ?
05:46<babilen>wvsfxr: after the modprobe that is
05:46<wvsfxr>babilen: 'insmod /lib/modules/2.6.31.4/kernel/drivers/input/tablet/wacom.ko'
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05:46<babilen>wvsfxr: that is not stable, eh?
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05:47<babilen>wvsfxr: what does dmesg say?
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05:47<wvsfxr>http://paste.debian.net/54753/
05:48<babilen>ok, that looks fine. Can you plug in the tablet and paste the dmesg output again? And check if the tablet is working ...
05:49<wvsfxr>babilen: I once compiled this kernel to get my usb-modem to work. I know now that I should have used a precompiled kernel from backports.org.
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05:50<babilen>wvsfxr: alright, you can do that later. If the tablet is recognised now, you have to add 'wacom' to /etc/modules
05:50<wvsfxr>http://paste.debian.net/54754/
05:51<babilen>looks like the tablet is recognised just fine. I would say you have to configure it. have a look at /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-wacom/*
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05:55<wvsfxr>babilen: there is only a changelog?
05:56<babilen>wvsfxr: oh, where did you find that xorg.conf configuration sample?
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05:56<wvsfxr>http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/howto/inputdev
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05:57<babilen>ah, ok. I guess that still applies :-D
05:57<babilen>Try it, your tablet is recognised just fine and you just have to configure it (if at all .. newer Xorg does a lot of autoconfiguration)
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08:03<Stemby>Hi, why libdvdcss2 and w32codecs are not maintained into the official Debian repositories (non-free)?
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08:04<leslo>hello all, i would like to support the Debian project through my choice of hardware, HP are my #1 at the moment. any other suggestions? I should also point out that I'm in the UK.
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08:20<squiddy>i mean how do i create a shared folder on debian. sorry for the typo.
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08:40<sheldonh>babilen, found it :)
08:40<sheldonh>babilen, should have used sid instead of etch when creating the source package :)
08:40<babilen>sheldonh: great! what was it?
08:40<babilen>sheldonh: doh
08:40<sheldonh>babilen, etch's dh_make creates target kdist_configure instead of kdist_config
08:40<sheldonh>babilen, that's not the only bug, it's just the only bug i missed :)
08:41<babilen>sheldonh: Why did you use dh_make from etch in the first place?
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08:41<sheldonh>babilen, _every_ time i take this sort cut (using something other than sid as my dev environment), it hurts :)
08:42<sheldonh>babilen, i was too lazy (ha! look how much effort i saved!) to make a sid-dev-base.tgz for pbuilder and used my etch-dev-base.tgz instead
08:42<babilen>sheldonh: I see ... I guess it is time to use *sid*'s lintian now
08:42<babilen>sheldonh: But great it worked out
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08:43<sheldonh>babilen, yup. but lintian and other pretty pretty happens after lab testing that nics actually work with the driver as i've built it :)
08:43<sheldonh>babilen, thanks again for the extra brain :)
08:44<babilen>sheldonh: You are welcome. Rock on!
08:44<sheldonh>babilen, hopefully i'll be able to close my ITP in jan :)
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08:45<babilen>sheldonh: You should really post to the mentors mailing list and have other more experienced DDs have a look at your package. That will save you (and them) some time
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08:51<hendry>can i use aptitude.pkgstates.0 to reset my package list to a backup?
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08:54<sheldonh>babilen, oh have no fear. my sponsor will grill me, no doubt :)
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09:29<dpkg><sanmarcos> Dabian: thank sanmarcos, not me
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09:50<iotaka>hi, on a stable debian server is wise or not enable lenny-proposed-updates ? thank you
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09:51<iotaka>(now on my server is enabled)
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09:51<jmm>it sound wise to me.
09:51<Titan8990>iotaka, it depends, do you want to help test packages before they are pushed out or do you want to ensure the stability of your machine?
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09:54<iotaka>Titan8990: you ask to one that on his desktop use debian sid, but on a server the best thing is stability. So probably the answer is: if my machine is not important I can enable it (and help debian community) otherwise better not in favor of stability.
09:55<Titan8990>iotaka, exactly
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09:55<Titan8990>and you are brave, I run my sid in a VM on my lenny desktop
09:56<iotaka>are 5 years that I use sid
09:56<iotaka>on the desktop at work and ant home
09:56<iotaka>thank you Titan8990 :)
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10:00<ml|>Titan8990: btw using a init script did not work either, it ask for password accept it but i logged in as root and ssh-add -ls would show the key; what does work is using zlogin but i would need to lossen permissions on the key, so i'll just remember to add the key as root after reboots
10:01<ml|>s/would/would not/
10:01<smiley>ml| what are you trying to accomplish?
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10:02<Titan8990>smiley, he was using public key auth with passphrase and wanted a more automated way of doing so with ssh-agent iirc
10:03<ml|>smiley: to use keychain so it adds root's id_rsa at user login
10:03<smiley>mmmm.. can't just use a key?
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10:04<ml|>that's what i'm using
10:04<fossiiil>where do i put my firewall rules for desktop machine? is it ok to put something like: source /etc/rc.firewall in /etc/rc.local and put rules in /etc/rc.firewall ? or use iptables-restore in /etc/rc.local ?
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10:05<Titan8990>ml|, i assume he means key with no passphrase, my original suggestion
10:05<ml|>oh, i prefer with a password
10:05<Titan8990>fossiiil, http://wiki.debian.org/iptables
10:06<fossiiil>thanks Titan8990
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10:06<smiley>fossiil: put the iptables rules in a script in /etc/network/if-up.d .. that way when the interface is brought up, it will apply the rules.. do the reverse and flush the tables in ../if-down.d
10:07<ml|>Titan8990: thanks for your help regardless
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10:07<fossiiil>smiley: i just read on debian wiki, thanks ;-)
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10:59<fossiiil>is it possible that i use iptables command badly? nmap says port is closed, like connection was rejected, but there's no reject rule in my firewall script. all i use is ACCEPT/DROP even in policies
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11:00<fossiiil>when i change default INPUT policy to ACCEPT, nmap reports port as open
11:00<fossiiil>all other ports are filtered (default policy is DROP)
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11:05<jmm>what command did you use fossiiil ?
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11:07<fossiiil>jmm: i'll show you my script, ok
11:08<jmm>allright, pastebin it if it's long.
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11:09<fossiiil>here's my firewall script: http://pastebin.com/m1e7a4846
11:09<fossiiil>it works as expected, but ports that i want open (113, 9001, ...) are reported as closed
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11:10<fossiiil>everything else is filtered...this is ok
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11:11<jmm>did you try connecting to that port?
11:11<jmm>113 for eg.
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11:12<fossiiil>yes...(UNKNOWN) [666.666.666.666] 113 (auth) : Connection refused
11:13<fossiiil>when i do iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT, connection is made (port open)
11:14<jmm>it's strange, your firewall sounds ok.
11:14<fossiiil>i admit, i learned only very basics on iptables recently...but this is really wierd since i have no REJECT rule
11:14<fossiiil>i was running psad recently
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11:16<fossiiil>psad is Port scan attack detector, was running it in default config on Ubuntu...but this probably isn't related...it's stopped anyway
11:16<jmm>you got a DROP rule by default, I think it may looks like a REJECT one to nmap
11:16<fossiiil>to my knowledge it only relies on reading fw logs from dmesg...
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11:17<fossiiil>i'm almost sure nmap won't report port as closed unless it gets some icmp reject...
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11:18<fossiiil>i was doing apt-get upgrade yesterday
11:18<fossiiil>this might be related...
11:19<jmm>umm I don't think so.
11:19<jmm>I don't know where the problem is but I'll start by making a smaller firewall.
11:20<jmm>like just the defaults policies and one of the accept rule( for 113 or something ).
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11:22<fossiiil>wait...
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11:23<fossiiil>might be problem with outgoing packets...
11:23<fossiiil>would be nice to check that icmp error message
11:24<fossiiil>i expect...i suspect that even though incoming SYN packet is accepted, 3-way handshake isn't established
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11:25<fossiiil>i'm just guessing...
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11:26<jmm>fossiiil: your default policy for outgoing stuff is to ACCEPT I believe.
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11:27<fossiiil>i just checked...strange...ACCEPT in nat, filter, mangle...
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11:27<jmm>fossiiil: ew
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11:28<jmm>iptables -F is not enough to clear so, you gotta use iptables -F -t nat
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11:28<fossiiil>yes, but nat is empty (iptables -L -t nat)
11:28<fossiiil>i'll fire tcpdump now...
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11:31<fossiiil>no luck
11:31<fossiiil>i don't see connection to 113
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11:33<s4br3>Hi, my oldish CRT monitor (LG CS991E-EP) settins use 50Hz or something very low. Icannot find any information on Google what is the frequency for this monitor. I use Debian Sid, 2.6.31, and fglrx.
11:33<s4br3>Is there any automatic way to find out?
11:33<fossiiil>jmm: i'll use minimal setup, like you advised...
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11:34<jmm>fossiiil: is that ident things just tcp ? maybe it need udp orso too ?
11:36<fossiiil>it's tcp, i was connecting to it, too
11:36<jmm>oh yea right.
11:38<s4br3>hhmm I found it, using Google.
11:38<fossiiil>jmm: i run firewall script, then iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT
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11:39<xpdt>Sorry but i found one manual in Italian
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11:40<fossiiil>all ports that i wanted to open (113, 9001..) are still reported as filtered....all other (like 80 i wanted to prohibit) are open
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11:41<fossiiil>looks like iptables misinterprets the rules like : iptables -i $INET_IFACE -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 113 -j ACCEPT
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11:49<Spartacus_>Hey, I'm trying to setup a network bridge. Is this the correct place to get help?
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11:52<Spartacus_>evidently not here
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11:53<Spartacus_>\exit
11:53<jmm>don't answer to your own questions, or we won't have anything to do :)
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11:54<Spartacus_>@jmm are you able to help?
11:54<babilen>it helps if there is a real question though ....
11:54<babilen>fossiiil: #netfilter@freenode might help
11:54<Spartacus_>I'm trying to set up a network bridge, is this the correct place to ask? You must have missed my first post
11:55<babilen>no, i have not missed it.
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11:55<Spartacus_>ok
11:55<babilen>and yes
11:55<babilen>!next
11:55<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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11:55<fossiiil>babilen: thanks a lot
11:55<babilen>fossiiil: good luck
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12:13<hans>hello, what does 'Ping timeout:400 seconds' mean ?
12:14<hans>... when someone has quit
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12:15<hans>is the question too stupid ?
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12:16<locklace>!fgi hans irc-ping-timeout
12:16<dpkg>hans: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=irc-ping-timeout
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12:18<zonkey>hi, can someone help me, there are like 30 different iso's for debian-503-i386 to download, which one should i get?
12:18<hans>i hate to google, but i like to bunt
12:18<babilen>zonkey: Do you have network connection during the install?
12:18<sney>zonkey: netinst, or CD1, or DVD1
12:18<zonkey>wifi yes
12:19<sney>what wifi controllers? some new ones aren't supported by the installer yet
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12:19<smiley>zonkey: wifi is a bit trickey..
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12:19<zonkey>then lets assume no, i wont have internet connection while installing
12:19<zonkey>cd-1?
12:19<smiley>just download the first cd.. don't do a net inst.. it will install what you need.. then just get the stuff you need afterwards using apt-getr
12:20<smiley>cd-1 is what i used
12:20<zonkey>cool, thanks all
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12:20<babilen>zonkey: have fun
12:20<zonkey>ill try
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12:23<hans>dpkg: i did as you told me and you are very, very unfriendly
12:23<dpkg>hans: what are you talking about?
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12:23<hans>about your manners
12:24<babilen>hans: dpkg is a bot
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12:25<hans>a robot who jokes ??
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12:26<fossiiil>jmm: , babilen: solved
12:26*dr|z3d laughs,
12:26*dr|z3d blames locklace.
12:26<fossiiil>i feel like i want to shoot myself in head
12:26<fossiiil>my firewall script was fine...
12:26<fossiiil>but i forgot to run listening daemons
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12:27<locklace>!confuse hans
12:27<dpkg>Yes, who is their weasel today, hans? Trousers of the Democracy of Swaziland with extra crabpaste.
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12:27<babilen>fossiiil: happens - why is xyz not running? must be the firewall! is not always the best idea
12:28<sney>!confuse hans
12:28<dpkg>No, them are my weasel yesterday, hans? Trousers of the People's Republic of Belarus with extra crabpaste.
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12:29<hans>i like this channel, much better than fedora, ubuntu and mint
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12:29<babilen>fossiiil: and don't shoot yourself
12:29<fossiiil>babilen: firewall script is fine, i forgot that my daemons aren't running...must sysv-rc-conf to start automatically
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12:30<babilen>fossiiil: yes, i got that. always check twice that your premises are valid
12:31<fossiiil>:-|
12:31<fossiiil>what a shame
12:31<babilen>!comfort fossiiil
12:31<dpkg>There, there, fossiiil. It's OK. I'm here for you.
12:31<fossiiil>:-)
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12:32<zonkey>another question: will debian be able to create a partition on my current partition (windows7), or will i need to do that before starting the debian install (i want to dualboot, keeping my current win7 in tact)
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12:34<babilen>zonkey: IIRC the installer supports resizing partitions. You can also boot a gparted cd and use that. Make sure you have backups
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12:35<zonkey>thanks!
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12:53<User_007>Guys, i need help. My Debian just dont run without acpi=off but if i put it, i cant une any usb device.
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12:54<User_007>i dont know why it dont runs without acpi=off,
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12:58<Titan8990>User_007, what type of system is this? what debian version?
13:00<User_007>Lenny
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13:00<Titan8990>User_007, im guesing this is a newer laptop?
13:00<User_007>yes
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13:01<User_007>well is a friend laptop
13:01<User_007>not so new
13:01<Titan8990>User_007, what kind of laptop?
13:02<User_007>is an old toshiba
13:02<User_007>with a Radeon
13:02<Titan8990>whats the model?
13:02<User_007>SAtellite
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13:03<User_007>M100-188
13:05<User_007>if i dont put acpi=off it shows a flashing "_"
13:06<User_007>and do nothing
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13:07<User_007>if i put acpi=off it boots normally, but usb, battery metter and other things dont work
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13:13<Hajime_Saitou>$USUARIO["datExpiracao"] = $consulta[0]->getDatExpiracao();
13:13<Hajime_Saitou> $USUARIO["codTipoPermissao"] = $consulta[0]->getCodTipoPermissao();
13:13<Hajime_Saitou> $USUARIO["codGrupo"] = $consulta[0]->getCodGrupo();
13:13<Hajime_Saitou> $USUARIO["codArea"] = $consulta[0]->getcodArea();
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13:14<Hajime_Saitou>$USUARIO["datExpiracao"] = $consulta[0]->getDatExpiracao()
13:14<Hajime_Saitou> $USUARIO["codTipoPermissao"] = $consulta[0]->getCodTipoPermissao()
13:14<Hajime_Saitou> $USUARIO["codGrupo"] = $consulta[0]->getCodGrupo()
13:14<Hajime_Saitou> $USUARIO["codArea"] = $consulta[0]->getcodArea()
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13:15<Hajime_Saitou>hi
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13:22<pope>hi, i'm doing an apt-get install right now, but it hangs on "0% [Connecting to security.debian.org (2001:a78::16)]" ... what can i do?
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13:23<metalqga>ping security.debian.org
13:23<metalqga>pope: or just prey to God? ;)
13:24<pkrzywicki>heh
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13:30<pope>metalqga: preying didn't work as opposed to a ping (it uses ipv4); however after a long while apt proceeded and installed the package
13:30<peej>pope, you able to connect to anything? (you seem to be using ipv6, or perhaps it's used only if available?)
13:31<pope>peej: i don't think ipv6 gets routet in my lan
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13:32<peej>ok, but is seeing ipv6 format in the ping response normal (2001:a78::16) for whatever you are using?
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13:35<peej>this is probably a confused and mixed up exchange.
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13:41<pope>peej: using ping there is only ipv4 activity (no (2001:a78::16)) as opposed to apt-get which shows (2001:a78::16) and hangs
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13:43<icebrain>pope: you can use ping6 to ping using ipv6, afaik
13:44<chibi>hello...?
13:45<icebrain>chibi: ?
13:45<chibi>oh okay seems like it writes something...
13:47<chibi>Sometimes I am doing things on tty1 and then suddelny the kdm login is schown and the xsession I had is away, even things i wrote or downloaded
13:47<chibi>I try to find out why
13:48<chibi>Or try to fetch some information about what happens so someone can help me.
13:48<chibi>But how do I find informations?
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14:19<Hajime_Saitou>FUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14:20<azeem_>Hajime_Saitou: please keep it on topic
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14:28<pro>how do i make sed perform only one substitution (the first line in the file)?
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14:31<dondelelcaro>pro: use head and tail with sed
14:31<Titan8990>pro, #bash on irc.freenode.net
14:32<pro>thanks
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14:42<Huseyin>!stable
14:42<dpkg>[stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable
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14:44<Huseyin>!kernel
14:44<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20091219, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.33-rc1-git3, mainline 2.6: 2.6.33-rc1, stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.2 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.9 , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.10 , stable 2.6.29: 2.6.29.6 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.42 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.7
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14:46<locklace>!msgthebot
14:46<dpkg>Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help>
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15:17<kic>Since Hal didn't include policykit support anymore, I can't automount in kde. Do you know a workaround please ?
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15:17<kic>By automount, I mean mounting hdd partition in dolphin.
15:18<Titan8990>kic, what version of debian?
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15:20<kic>Titan8990: Sid
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15:21<kic>it happened several weeks (months ?) ago, when policykit support was removed from hal
15:22<kic>cdrom can still be mounted, but internal disk partition can't anymore
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15:25<Titan8990>kic, not sure, but if I working system is what you want, don't use sid
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15:29<kic>I have no problem with bugs, they happens from time to time, I can live with them. Here it's not a bug, it's a choice from hal maintainer to remove support for policykit. So now, I wonder if there is a work around
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15:40<Titan8990>kic, im sure there is
15:40<Titan8990>kic, i would look for documentation on a distro that has actually implemented it already
15:40<Titan8990>not one that is playing with it in their dev build
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15:53<merlin>hello I'm trying to install squeeze but for some reason external networking is broken and I am not sure what I can do within ash...
15:53<merlin>networking is working because I am doing SSH install from another computer
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15:53<merlin>I can resolve hostnames to IP addresses but for some reason I can't connect to anything external
15:54<merlin>and I noticed that wget for example is not included in the help list but is available to use... what else can I use that isn't listed?
15:54<Titan8990>merlin, as in... you can ping google.com but can't make a TCP connection to it?\
15:54<merlin>ash doesn't seem to have ping
15:54<merlin>but for example I can wget from a local webserver arbitrary media
15:54<Titan8990>is this an embedded system?
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15:54<merlin>nope, full tower desktop :(
15:55<merlin>I am actually on another one just like it right now
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15:55<Titan8990>merlin, why are you using ash?
15:55<merlin>Titan8990: because that is what the installer drops me to when I try to troubleshoot :D
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15:55<Titan8990>merlin, so your having other issues aside from networking?
15:56<merlin>Titan8990: not really. it's a netinstall so it kinda needs working networking :P
15:56<merlin>downloading a full CD now
15:56<merlin>but in the meantime
15:56<merlin>still messing with it :P
15:56<Titan8990>merlin, the netinst doesn't require networking
15:56<merlin>well yeah it will install the base system
15:56<Titan8990>regardless of what the name says, you can install debin without networking as long as you don't select any tasks
15:57<merlin>but I like getting the minimal set from tasksel... do you know the metapackage that is equivalent?
15:57<Titan8990>its much easier to troubleshoot networking problems from within an install then it is from d-i
15:57<merlin>I agree, completely
15:57<Titan8990>merlin, you can use tasksel after the OS is installed
15:57<merlin>hmm
15:57<merlin>true
15:57<merlin>but it's cancer
15:57<merlin>:P
15:57<merlin>thanks
15:58<merlin>I'll maybe just push through and see what I see and if all else fails maybe lenny will have better luck
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16:06<merlin>haha
16:06<merlin>tasksel was cute with no network mirrors
16:06<merlin>offered ssh server and base tools :P
16:06<merlin>first time I've ever turned every option in tasksel on :P
16:06<mercutio22>where is the channel to get help with oftc irc server?
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16:07<ica>Hi
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16:09<ica>I've a question, I kind of have a bad /etc/apt/sources.list file, is there a standard file?
16:10<Titan8990>ica, bad it when way?
16:10<Titan8990>ica, pastebin it
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16:13<Titan8990>ica, talk in the main channel
16:13<Titan8990>ica, and pastebin the file
16:14<Titan8990>i don't really care why or how you borked it, i just want to see it
16:14<ica>#
16:14<ica># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official powerpc NETINST Binary-1 20090906-12:13]/ lenny main
16:14<ica>#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official powerpc NETINST Binary-1 20090906-12:13]/ lenny main
16:14<ica>deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stable contrib non-free lenny main
16:14<ica>deb http://www.backports.org/debian main contrib non-free
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16:15<Titan8990>!paste
16:15<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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16:16<Titan8990>ica, pastebin the rest of the file
16:16<ica>patehttp://pastebin.de/2766
16:16<ica>http://pastebin.de/2766
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16:17<merlin>hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
16:17<merlin>Titan8990: sorry for bothering you earlier :)
16:17<merlin>Titan8990: I apparently have a really strange router...
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16:18<merlin>Titan8990: apparently the previous IP that was set for the mac address restricted it to working only in local LAN when NOT using that IP...
16:18<merlin>personally I would have expected it to deny everything
16:18<merlin>not deny half :/
16:18<merlin>but hey
16:18<merlin>live and learn
16:18<merlin>good day to you folks
16:18<merlin>happy holidays
16:18<merlin>etc
16:18<merlin>:)
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16:19<Titan8990>ica, fixed http://pastebin.de/2767
16:20<Titan8990>ica, sorry, not fixed
16:20<Titan8990>ica, http://pastebin.de/2768
16:20<ica>thx ;)
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16:24<ica>ahhh thanks, this was driving me crazy
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16:25<ica>thx Titan8990
16:27<Titan8990>ica, np
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16:34<norbert_>I'm on Debian stable, Gnome interface; I used System -> Administration -> User and Groups; because I want to add another user to the group "audio"; but the Manage Groups button provides me with a list that does not include the "audio" group; even though it is listed in the /etc/group file
16:35<norbert_>there is an Add Group button, but it seems unwise to add another "audio" group if one already exists in /etc/group
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16:37<olet>norbert_: what are you trying to do?
16:37<Titan8990>norbert_, adduser <user> audio
16:37<norbert_>Titan8990: I prefer not to use a console
16:37<norbert_>olet: add a user to the "audio" group
16:38<mase>norbert_ the tool runs with root privileges?
16:38<norbert_>correct
16:38<olet>norbert_: just make an exception and do as Titan8990 says
16:38<norbert_>it asks the root password in a popup
16:38<Titan8990>mase, should elevate privs using policykit
16:38<Titan8990>norbert_, well, you can spend however long trying to work out this issue, or you can take 5 secs and have it done
16:38<norbert_>olet: I prefer not to, it's not for me but a manual
16:39<Titan8990>norbert_, manuals are *much* easier to write without having to show pictures of what to click and crap
16:39<Titan8990>and commands are more fool-proof IMO
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16:39<norbert_>Debian provides the option to add more than one user, but if one chooses to do so, the audio is not working except for the first user
16:39<norbert_>this is not logical
16:39<norbert_>a tool exists to add users to groups, but the audio group is not present
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16:40<norbert_>again, this is illogical
16:40<Titan8990>norbert_, did you check the BTS?
16:41<mase>norbert_ are there more groups missing?
16:41<norbert_>suggesting the use of the Console/Terminal is a solution, but not a very elegant one considering other people will probably run into the same issue, some of whom are not computer scientists
16:41<Titan8990>i imagine something like that is at the bottom of priorities
16:41<norbert_>mase: that is correct
16:41<norbert_>!whatis bts
16:41<Titan8990>norbert_, they can use a more suitable distro then... suse has yast2 for example which would make a GUI user much more confortable
16:41<mase>bug-tracking-system
16:41<Titan8990>!bts
16:41<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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16:42<norbert_>Debian has had a user interface for quite some time, it surprises me that something this basic appears not to function properly
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16:43<olet>norbert_: there are many people who are not computer scientists who use a console
16:43<Titan8990>my mom can startx... and run alsaconf when her sounds breaks
16:43<norbert_>she shouldn't have to
16:43<Titan8990>knows nothing about computers... but "type this in" is not difficult
16:43<Titan8990>norbert_, the sound part, correct.
16:44<mase>Titan8990 alsaconf is gone, sorry
16:44<Titan8990>mase, its not a debian system and NO it is not gone
16:44<Titan8990>pc-tesla net # which alsaconf
16:44<Titan8990>/usr/sbin/alsaconf
16:44<Titan8990>pc-tesla net # cat /etc/issue
16:44<Titan8990>Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l
16:45<mase>Titan8990 yes, we had this topic here a few days ago
16:45<Titan8990>mase, its removed from squeeze, which has not been released yet
16:45<mase>Titan8990 at least in current testing
16:45<mase>yes
16:45<Titan8990>so your jumping the gun on saying "its gone"
16:46<Titan8990>mase, so i should start telling people there isn't HAL in xserver when its pretty obvious that its still there, because upstream did it and sid is playing with it?
16:46<mase>Titan8990 yes, the alsa-guys sayd they remove it
16:46<Titan8990>thats upstream
16:46<Titan8990>this is debian
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16:46<Titan8990>debian stable will have alsaconf for its lifetime
16:47<olet>and beyond
16:47<kmap>Till the current testing becomes stable
16:48<olet>well yeah ok
16:48<kmap>:-)
16:48<olet>but lenny will have it beyond
16:48<olet>that's what i read what he said as
16:48<olet>:P
16:48<olet>lenny will have it forever
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16:51<mase>http://wiki.debian.org/alsaconf
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16:53<Titan8990>mase, that doesn't contain any new information that hasn't already been discussed
16:54<mase>not really, just wanted to give a link that says "alsaconf was removed [...]"
16:55<Titan8990>!alsa squeeze
16:55<Titan8990>!alsaconf
16:55<dpkg>alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS
16:55<Titan8990>the bot already knows
16:55<Titan8990>mase, i was never arguing that it wasn't removed
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16:56<Titan8990>mase, i was arguing that it was removed for testing, and will not be in stable until squeeze is marked stable
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16:56<mase>its ok now!
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17:10<kingsley>Does anyone here happen to know if variables in the "drupal" package's "settings.php" file, like $db_url for example, should need to be manually assigned a value during installation?
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17:11<dr|z3d>kingsley: the web interface should take care of that.
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17:12<dr|z3d>you might need to specify a mysql db and user/pass.. should have to edit anything manually.
17:12<dr|z3d>*should not
17:13<kingsley>dr|z3d: That's intesresting.
17:14<kingsley>dr|z3d: In my case, when I point firefox at drupal's web interface at http://localhost:<port>/drupal6/, it returns the following error message
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17:15<kingsley>The database type '' is unsupported. Please use either 'mysql' or 'mysqli' for MySQL, or 'pgsql' for PostgreSQL databases..
17:15<kingsley>I'm trying to install version 6.14-1 of drupal.
17:15<dr|z3d>sounds like you need to run the installer first.
17:15<mase>kingsley have you tried "dpkg-reconfigure drupal6"
17:16<dr|z3d>Look for the install folder and specify that in the http path.
17:16<kingsley>dr|z3d: Can you elaborate on what "the installer" is?
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17:16<kingsley>mase: I have not. Is that known to help?
17:16<mase>myght reask you for the database-stuff
17:17<mase>you can't damage anything at this point (i hope)
17:17<sney>you do have mysql-server installed, I presume
17:18<kingsley>dr|z3d: I do not see either a directory or folder named "install". Could you be thinking of "/usr/share/drupal6/install.php"?
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17:19<dr|z3d>kingsley: quite possibly.
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17:19<dr|z3d>in any event, i can only recommend you check the online documentation.
17:20<kingsley>sney: Yes, the "mysql-server" package is installed and I have connected to the server via the mysql command.
17:20<dr|z3d>or perhaps try what mase suggested.
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17:20<garlic>hi all
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17:21<kingsley>dr|z3d: When I point firefox at "http://localhost:<port>/drupal6/install.php", the following error messages are returned
17:22<kingsley>Warning: parse_url(://:@localhost/) [function.parse-url]: Unable to parse URL in /usr/share/drupal6/install.php on line 163
17:22<kingsley>Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /usr/share/drupal6/install.php:163) in /usr/share/drupal6/includes/install.inc on line 618
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17:22<kingsley>Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /usr/share/drupal6/install.php:163) in /usr/share/drupal6/includes/install.inc on line 619
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17:23<dr|z3d>kingsley: there must be a drupal irc chatroom, probably on freenode.. you're likely to get much better advice there. :)
17:23<dr|z3d>!fgi drupal support irc
17:23<dpkg>drupal: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=support irc
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17:23*dr|z3d fails.
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17:24<mase>did the "xvmc" method for video EVER worked for one of you?
17:25<kingsley>dr|z3d: Like you,I thought of drupal on IRC, and indeed I've tried it. Unfortunately, I've yet to find someone who knows the answer for sure.
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17:25<kingsley>Having said that, I haven't asked recently on #drupal, onlu #drupal-support, so maybe I'll ask the former again.
17:27<larks>Has anyone here worked with HPC/clusters/etc
17:27<dr|z3d>Sounds like you haven't specified your db in whatever conf file drupal uses. perhaps that might be the issue, if it's not prompting for configuration in the web interface. worth poking around there, perhaps..
17:27<larks>Thinking about starting a cluster or something and I'm not too sure where to begin. Looking into the different types but I'm not sure what would be best for my uses
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17:31<kingsley>dr|z3d: I agree, and I expect this bug is tractable. Having said that, I'm surprised that it's not better known how to get past square one with installing drupal.
17:34*kingsley needs to go soon.
17:34<mase>kingsley im not shur if this is a bug. in my opinion the base installation failed because some databse-information are not set ("The database type '' is unsupported")
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17:36<kingsley>mase: It seems to me that the bug is that some database information isn't set.
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17:37<kingsley>mase: Or, at least the documentation should tell us to edit it manually.
17:37<mase>kingsley did you try the "dpkg-reconfigure"-stuff? did it say anything?
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17:38<mase>kingsley because normaly debian does it for you (at least the main part)
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17:39<kingsley>mase: That's a fair question. I have not tried it, and I agree with you that it seems relatively safe, even if it's not certain to solve my problem. It's on my list of things to try when I have more time.
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17:39<kingsley>Much like California's governor, "Uh'll be bok".
17:40<Patrick^>Does somebody know how to solve the missing "sys/eventfd.h" file when compiling the kernel? I've searched everywhere and haven't found anything.
17:45<kop>Patrick^: You're using make-kpkg?
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17:45<streuner_>Patrick^: the header files are missing...
17:46<Patrick^>kop: Yes.
17:46<kop>Patrick^: streuner_ has it right. You need the kernel header package.
17:47<streuner_>Patrick^: aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r`
17:47<Patrick^>hmm, I made sure that all packages were installed : /
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17:48<Patrick^>So it have to be something else i'm afraid.
17:48<streuner_>is build-essential installed?
17:48<Patrick^>yes
17:48<Patrick^>i'm using Lenny
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17:51<Patrick^>How about this... I searched the debian package site (packages.debian.org) and found libc6-dev on Squeeze which constains eventfd.h. But I didn't find anything on Lenny.
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17:54<adb>/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686/include/config/eventfd.h
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17:56<qimo1107>hello
17:56<Patrick^>adb: yes, that file exists.
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17:57<mase>and what kernel do you try to compile?
17:57<Patrick^>2.6.32.2
17:58<mase>:D
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17:59<mase>so you also have the header files for that kernel installed?
18:00<Patrick^>ah, i'm not sure about that, let's see...
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18:01<Patrick^>mase: hehe, can't find it with apt :)
18:01<mase>(but i thought they shouldnt be neccesary)
18:01<inglor>I am trying to set up a light desktop enviroment and using openbox for now. Is there a good panel with small mem footage? I would go for pypanel which is no longer available. any ideas?
18:02<Patrick^>Well, I copied the file from linux-2.6.32.2/include/config to /usr/include. Hope that works.
18:02<ml|>inglor: i liked tint2 when i used openbox
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18:04<mase>Patrick^ well, might be "make-kpkg" needs that headers. have you tried to compile the kernel manualy?
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18:06<zumbi>Patrick^: at some point linux-headers-`uname -r` was renamed to linux-libc-dev
18:06<melmothX>Patrick^: have you libc6-dev installed?
18:07<zumbi>Patrick^: in Debian kernel and c library trade some files, i do not know why
18:07<mase>zumbi hae? are you shure?
18:07<mase>(ranaming)
18:07<melmothX>i doubt that copying that header from the kernel tree to /usr/include will help
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18:09<inglor>ml|, thanks looks very nice :D (tint2)
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18:10<jscinoz>Is it possible in some way to make the kernel report a particular pci device as having a different pci-id?
18:10<mase>jscinoz ? why?
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18:12<ml|>inglor: np, tint2 is very nice looking
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18:16<jscinoz>mase: i want to make use of some features my graphics card supports, but nvidia artificially restricts to their quadro cards >_<
18:16<jscinoz>This is why proprietary drivers suck.
18:18<locklace>!amen
18:18<dpkg>Praise the lord!
18:19<mase>jscinoz you can set the pci-id in the xorc.conf(per driver)... doesn't this work?
18:20<jscinoz>mase: no thats not what i need to do, i dont need to tell xorg to select a specific card, i need to have the kernel report to other modules and userspace that the card is actually a different one
18:20<jscinoz>so it probably involves some kernel hacking ^_^
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18:22<ComradeHaz>Evening all. Have two conflicting guides to achieve the same thing. They suggest creating udev rules but are slightly different. Can anyone tell me the difference between the following two rules?
18:22<ComradeHaz>SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0bb4", MODE="0666" & SUBSYSTEM=="usb", SYSFS{idVendor}=="0bb4", MODE="0666"
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18:22<mase>jscinoz sorry, dont get your problem. what modules or applications do you need what to get from the kernel? do you have an example?
18:23<jscinoz>mase: this is probably the wrong place to ask, i should probably ask in a kernel releated channel :P basically i need to fool the nvidia driver into thinking i have a different card
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18:25<mase>jscinoz your probably right, but could you exactly explain what you are going to do, please? i'm quite interested...
18:25<mase>ComradeHaz thay are identic
18:25<mase>ComradeHaz oh, mom
18:25<jscinoz>mase: the nvidia drivers support doing stereoscopic output, and I'm building a home-theater system with a linux box, however the drivers will only allow you to use this feature on their Quadro cards, cards that are dramatically more expensive, but are pretty much the same hardware
18:26<jscinoz>basically they artificially restrict what you can do with your hardware just to fatten their profit margin
18:26<ComradeHaz>mase: ?
18:26<jscinoz>so i need to find someway to make the nvidia blob believe my card is one of the qaudro cards
18:26<ComradeHaz>ATTRS vs SYSFS
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18:29<ComradeHaz>ahh
18:29<ComradeHaz>ok
18:29<ComradeHaz>SYSFS is deprecated
18:29<ComradeHaz>
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18:33<mase>jscinoz ah, ok, now i got your intersest. i fear you wont succeed at all... but good luck!
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18:34<muh2000>hi
18:34<jscinoz>mase: thanks
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18:35<muh2000>i have a little issue. after login the resolution is the one i want, BUT a few seconds later, it switches down to 1280*800.... anyone know what, except for me, could be responsible for that?
18:36<mase>jscinoz are you shure your card is supporting stereoscopic? (just smalltalk)
18:37<mase>muh2000 what desktop-system are you using?
18:37<muh2000>mase: kde
18:37<muh2000>4.x
18:37<muh2000>debian/SID
18:38<mase>muh2000 checked system-settings? (the application) kde can be set to change the resolution, maybe there is a missconfiguration...
18:38<jscinoz>mase: yes, the particular mode i want to use is trivial, it simply sends the left image to one display, and the right image to another display (or in my case, two projectors with differing polarisation)
18:40<muh2000>mase: you nailed it :) thnx. but is there a way to autodetect the resolution and set it to the biggest available? i change monitors on that box quite often :)
18:42<mase>jscinoz ok, i thought X could do it by itself by configuration (without need of driver support)
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18:42<jscinoz>mase: i dont believe so, it seems to be driver specific
18:43<mase>muh2000 hah, first goal ist to let kde change NOTHING ;)
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18:43<mase>jscinoz ok, im not expirienced, but you get two heads out of your card, right?
18:44<jscinoz>mase: correct
18:44<jscinoz>mase: i suspect it would not be too difficult for simple 3d video, but i also wish to get proper stereoscopic opengl working :P
18:45<mase>oha
18:45<jscinoz>as a test, i did glxgears -stereo, but i get "Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered, Stereo visual"
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18:45<mase>ok
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18:54<muh2000>mase: i never touched that settings area because i grew up with the opinion that resolution etc is handled by the xorg.conf file :D anyway i will do some testing ^^
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19:09<cocolocko>Hi @ all, i installed the last java updates for my debian testing and after that my JAVA Applications, for example JAP and JDownloader, dosent connect to the internet anymore. Someone knows a solution?
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19:09<icebrain>cocolocko: it's probably because of the recent enabling of ipv6 as default
19:09<icebrain>cocolocko: happened to me to, on Jdownloader
19:10<icebrain>*too
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19:10<cocolocko>hmm ok, and where can i disable this?
19:10<fossiiil>hello
19:11<icebrain>cocolocko: sorry, give me 2m to check what I changed :)
19:11<cocolocko>of course ;)
19:11<fossiiil>i can disable/enable ip_forwarding, accept_redirects rp_filter....directly by writing to /proc/sys/net/ipv4/* OK
19:11<fossiiil>but it's unwise imho
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19:13<fossiiil>can result in less overhead, but i'd log these packets using iptables, too...to catch some subtle and interesting network attacks / misconfigurations...
19:13<icebrain>cocolocko: It's a property called "java.net.preferIPv4Stack", you have to put it to "true". But I didn't find out where I could change it for all apps, I just do "-Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true" when launching java apps.
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19:15<cocolocko>ok iwill check it
19:17<cocolocko>ok jdownloader works
19:19<cocolocko>ok and JAP is also running again
19:19<cocolocko>thanks
19:19<cocolocko>but why ?
19:20<icebrain>cocolocko: your system isn't able to use IPv6, probably
19:20<icebrain>cocolocko: mine isn't
19:20<cocolocko>icebrain: do you know, which update does the changes?
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19:21<icebrain>cocolocko: no really, but it didn't happen long ago
19:21<cocolocko>no no yesterday
19:22<icebrain>cocolocko: no, maybe a week ago or so. not sure, really
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19:23<icebrain>cocolocko: I just found: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=560056
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19:28<cocolocko>ok thanks icebrain ;) and good night from germany
19:28<icebrain>cocolocko: 'night
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20:19<shilf>Audio: Card Intel 82801AA AC'97 Audio Controller driver Intel ICH at ports d100 d200
20:19<shilf> Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Version 1.0.20
20:19<shilf>System: Host shilf-desktop Kernel 2.6.31-14-generic i686 (32 bit) Distro Linux Mint 8 Helena - Main Edition
20:20<shilf>Graphics: Card InnoTek Systemberatung VirtualBox Graphics Adapter X.Org 1.6.4 Res 1440x900@60.0hz
20:20<shilf> GLX Renderer Software Rasterizer GLX Version Yes
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20:33<sotos>Hi to all
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21:06<geofft>hi, is there a PGP signature for (or HTTPS path to) the netboot installer?
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21:21<kop>geofft: I'd expect there to be md5s or some such, but I don't know why I say that.
21:22<geofft>md5sums are one thing, a gpg signature on the md5sums is another.
21:22<kop>geofft: Yeah, at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/ with the cd images.
21:23<geofft>yup. I'm trying that, but I'd prefer to use the netboot installer that needs no media, just the kernel/initrd
21:23<kop>geofft: Yup. I guess you're expected to trust that neither debian's websites nor your dns has been cracked.
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21:24<kop>geofft: What about the bootloader? I assume your not talking about pxebooting.
21:24<geofft>I'm starting the install from grub
21:25<kop>geofft: But, if you're concerned about the md5s you could use an alternate site, say ftp.oz.debian.org (if such exists).
21:26<kop>geofft: I don't know of such a thing, but you could probably use the pxeboot kernel, and it's ramfs if they're separate.
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21:27<kop>geofft: You'd have to look at the install guide at debian.org to see what ways are supported for your arch.
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21:28<geofft>kop: Yes, you can boot the pxeboot kernel/initrd from grub if you already have grub
21:29<geofft>These are the images in dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images in apt
21:29<geofft>They just have no md5ums or signatures.
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21:30<kop>Cool.
21:31<kop>geofft: They do have md5sums at: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/MD5SUMS
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21:32<mc74x>hola
21:32<mc74x>buenas noches
21:33<mc74x>una consulta
21:33<kop>!es
21:33<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
21:33<kop>!br
21:33<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
21:34<mc74x>ok grauias
21:35<geofft>kop: oops, yes, but those are not signed -- an attacker can spoof md5sums as easily as the files themselves
21:36<muh2000>anyone know why the display via HDMI cable only has 1280x800 pixels?
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21:38<linus72>whats up debinites!
21:38<linus72>anyone here?
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21:39<dondelelcaro>linus72: just ask your question if you have one; someone will answer if they know.
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21:39<linus72>ok, um, I need to know how to start a root terminal app in debian live?
21:40<linus72>like, I wanna start testdisk via xterm, but "su-to-root" etc dont work?
21:41<dondelelcaro>linus72: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ#Q.3AWhatistheroot.2BAC8-userpassword.3F
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21:41<linus72>heres my fluxbox menu entry for testdisk
21:41<linus72>[exec] (Testdisk) {echo -e '(testdisk) { x-terminal-emulator "testdisk" -e su-to-root -p root -c /usr/sbin/testdisk\} <>' >> /home/user/.fluxbox/statistics && x-terminal-emulator "testdisk" -e su-to-root -p root -c /usr/sbin/testdisk} <>
21:42<linus72>it all works cept the go to root part
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21:43<int_80h>linux72, what does 'which su-to-root' respond with?
21:43<linus72>hers the fluxbox entry for root term without passwd, so how do I combine this command with the other to get testdisk as root gksu?
21:43<int_80h>linus72, sry
21:44<linus72>[exec] (X-Terminal as root (GKsu\)) {echo -e '(X-Terminal as root (GKsu\)) {/usr/bin/gksu -u root /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator\} </usr/share/pixmaps/gksu-debian.xpm>' >> /home/user/.fluxbox/statistics && /usr/bin/gksu -u root /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator} </usr/share/pixmaps/gksu-debian.xpm>
21:44<linus72>oh, it says trying to sudo, are you root?
21:44<dondelelcaro>linus72: because there isn't a /etc/su-to-roootrc or similar which sets SU_TO_ROOT_SU=sudo
21:44<linus72>I made the iso off debian-live-standard
21:44<linus72>added fluxbox,etc
21:44<dondelelcaro>linus72: does sudo ls; work when you start up an xterm?
21:45<linus72>I made a script to mount iso, add apps and upgrade, etc then script re-squashfs and makes iso:)
21:45<linus72>uh, hold on I gotta reboot into the setup and mess with menu
21:45<linus72>be back in 5
21:45<dondelelcaro>anyway, your problem is most likely that su-to-root isn't properly configured to use sudo, which it needs to use. see the documentation; best of luck.
21:46<linus72>its pure debian live so no passwds, no users, just debian live default user
21:46<linus72>ill be back...
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21:49<linus72>ok what did you guys want me to try/?
21:50<linus72>about the root xterm for testdisk debian live?
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21:50<linus72>how do i combine the xterm as root command with testdisk?
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21:52<cesurasean>what is the best way to enable apache 2.2 SNI support on debian lenny?
21:52<linus72>how do I find out what commands open a app as root in debian live??
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22:34<xellink>hiya, just upgraded my gfx card from 8600GT to GTX260, now i can only load on vesa. Reinstalled graphic card drivers but xorg.conf still says 8600GT, is this normal?
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22:35<manu>proprierary drivers?
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22:39<xellink>yea
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22:40<xellink>http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/nvidia.html
22:40<xellink>i used that guide
22:40<manu>i don't use debian. Try lsmod | grep nvidia
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