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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-01-01

---Logopened Fri Jan 01 00:00:21 2010
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01:23<i_is_broke>anyone awake?
01:23<i_is_broke>i have a question, and was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction..im not getting no where really with google.
01:24<gsimmons>i_is_broke: Just go ahead and ask it.
01:24<i_is_broke>i added a 80 gig hard drive to my computer and i want to have it mount as /home/media,
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01:25<i_is_broke>and im not real use to debian yet as i have been using ubuntu till here recently.
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01:26<i_is_broke>like i know i have to add it to fstab, but how do i find out what the uuid is?
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01:27<seeS>maybe look at ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
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01:27<seeS>then match up the thing it points to to your drive
01:27<i_is_broke>ok i will take a look at that, thank you.
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01:28<babilen>i_is_broke: 'blkid'
01:28<i_is_broke>babilen, ?
01:28<i_is_broke>what is that?
01:29<babilen>i_is_broke: the tool you are looking for
01:29<seeS>yep, that looks like it
01:29<i_is_broke>ok
01:29<i_is_broke>and i just run this tool? or ???
01:29<seeS>ooh, it found everythnig
01:30<babilen>i_is_broke: yes, just run it
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01:31<i_is_broke>ah babilen ty
01:31<i_is_broke>that worked great
01:31<babilen>:-)
01:31<i_is_broke>now what do i do to add it to the fstab just copy the uuid and ?
01:33<babilen>man fstab might help .. basically "UUID=uuid_from_blkid /path/to/mount/point ...."
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01:34<babilen>i_is_broke: probably /mnt/media as mount point
01:34<i_is_broke>ok im going to try it and reboot and see what happens thanks ill be back to let you know it it blows up or not..lol
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01:34<babilen>reboot?
01:35<babilen>*sigh*
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01:50<lotus-blade>is there any tool to adjust my graphics card?
01:50<lotus-blade>got a GForce 6150
01:51<babilen>randr maybe? but what are you looking for?
01:52<lotus-blade>trying to install my vid card properly
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01:53<babilen>is there anything that is not working?
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01:57<lotus-blade_>hello
01:57<babilen>yes?
01:58<lotus-blade_>sorry keep diconnecting
01:58<lotus-blade_>I am trying to install mt GForce 6150
01:58<lotus-blade_>any good tool to do this?
01:58<babilen>lotus-blade_: are you using X already?
01:59<lotus-blade_>yes, but it is not the right vid card settings
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02:00<babilen>what is wrong?
02:00<samferry>man
02:00<samferry>my irssi
02:00<samferry>needs to calm down
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02:02<lotus-blade_>I am stuck in low res size
02:02<lotus-blade_>800x600 and no bigger option
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02:04<babilen>!ati
02:04<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net).
02:05<babilen>lotus-blade_: /msg dpkg <whatever>
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02:06<BobHartge>the default monitor is 800x600.. did it detect the right monitor?
02:06<lotus-blade_>nope
02:07<lotus-blade_>not even using the ati stuff
02:08<BobHartge>i have a box to switch my monitor between two boxes and it messes things up so i have to set it in xorg.conf to fix it.
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02:15<mshindo>hi, I have a deb package that contains source code for a custom kernel module. I would like to create a m-a style deb installer package. How can I go about this ?
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02:17<seeS>m-a?
02:17<mshindo>module-assistant
02:17<seeS>ah
02:17<gsimmons>mshindo: See HOWTO-DEVEL.gz and examples/templates-debian-dir.tar.bz2 within /usr/share/doc/module-assistant (regarding the templates, see Debian bug #463488).
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02:21<Tmy_70>join #opensolaris-es
02:22<Tmy_70>help
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02:40<eightyeight>crontab(1) says that if both cron.allow and cron.deny exist, then either only root can install cron jobs, or all users, depending on site-wide configuration
02:41<eightyeight>where is this site-wide config? /etc/default/cron doesn't seem to be it
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04:56<Web-sidux441> one stupid question, why the final MC (which is already version 4.7.0.1) is not yet in SID?
04:57<streuner_>judd, versions mc
04:57<judd>streuner_: mc -- etch: 1:4.6.1-6 lenny: 2:4.6.2~git20080311-4 sid: 2:4.7.0-pre1-3 squeeze: 2:4.7.0-pre1-3
04:58<streuner_>look at qa.debian.org, there should be an entry about
04:59<streuner_>hm, http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/m/mc/current/changelog
05:01<Web-sidux441>btw, MC developers already have their own repo with already compiled packages for all ... ubuntu versions ... if it matters :)
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05:02<Nemoder>nice, lsdvd eats all my system memory and swap until i kill it
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05:29<digifor>I cannot connect to unprotected wireless with lenny and backport kernel 2.6.30.bpo.2-686 and ath5k driver.
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05:30<digifor>I can see my essid but it will not connect either at command line or with wicd
05:30<digifor>How do I trouble shoot this?
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06:28<Kraven>I can't get pppoe running like I want it to in a initramfs. The PC runs normally 24/7 and automatically boots after a power outage, but because of a luks encrypted /home and /swap it stops while booting and waits for password. Because some of the programs running on startup have data in /home I thought it best to unlock those partitions during boot using ssh in initramfs
06:29<Kraven>I used a script for unlocking a encrypted root partition and from my local network I already get the partitions unlocked using ssh, but I want to be able to do this even from outside, so I tried getting pppoe running in the initramfs, too
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06:31<Kraven>The internet connection already works, but I have different problems with iptables, name resolving and a python script I'm using to get the external IP to dyndns: http://paste.debian.net/55343/
06:33<Kraven>The problems with iptables are not that serious. My normal firewall script and routing doesn't work, but I can still get a configuration where SSH would be available from the outside. Even though I would prefer to only allow SSH from the outside
06:33<seeS>could be a few things
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06:33<Kraven>But I find it kind of strange, that name resolving doesn't work and perhaps that error is also cause for the failing of the python script
06:34<seeS>the iptables would be the autoloading stuff
06:34<seeS>for the name resolving stuff you might be able to stick them into /etc/hosts
06:35<seeS>nslookup forces you to use dns, while ping or something with use the resolver library
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06:46<Kraven>Okay, autoloading modules is a good hint for the iptables problem and if I understand it correctly nslookup should be easier for the pc because it uses name resolving directly and not over the resolver library, so that should work even without the resolver library. /etc/hosts would be a workaround as long as the ip-address of the dyndns-servers doesn't change, but I still would have to enter every server probably needed. I think it would be way
06:46<Kraven>nicer, if the name resolving would work, and that should be the case without using /etc/hosts if I understand correctly
06:48<Kraven>But obviously nslookup uses some library or binary that isn't installed in the initramfs at the moment, but how can I find out, which one is missing?
06:48<seeS>what about ldd /usr/bin/nslookup
06:49<seeS>and turn on debugging or tracing
06:50<seeS>nslookup -debug www.blah.com will tell you what its doing
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07:04<Kraven>Okay some of the libraries mentioned in ldd /usr/bin/nslookup are not in the initramfs-image. I will try adding them and looking what the outputs are in initramfs. Be back later. Bye
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07:16<Kraven>seeS: Thanks! Installing the missing libraries that ldd showed did the job for nslookup and the python script. So there are a few things left to be done, but you got me a big step further
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07:17<seeS>glad it was helpful
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07:24<nirgal>Default debian spamassassin complain about mail received in 2010 (FH_DATE_PAST_20XX: The date is grossly in the future). To fix, change file /var/lib/spamassassin/3.002005/updates_spamassassin_org/72_active.cf from 20[1-9][0-9] to 20[2-9][0-9].
07:25<azeem>Y2k10 bug
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07:26<locklace>!dbugs 563245
07:26<dpkg>#563245:I[spamassassin] spamassassin: FH_DATE_PAST_20XX rule is a false positive since january 1st, 2010 (); Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:18:01 UTC []
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08:38<bighornram>gnome panel still thinks it is 2009. When I click for the calendar it is 2010 though
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08:50<abrotman>bighbleh
08:50<snogglethorpe>hm
08:50<snogglethorpe>panel clock doesn't show year for me at all
08:50<snogglethorpe>just month & day
08:51<abrotman>you can configure it to
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09:09<kilelme>can you help mw
09:09<kilelme>me
09:09<kilelme>i have some problem
09:10<kilelme>i cannot use my kernel 2.6.31
09:10<kilelme>this is pastebin http://paste.debian.net/55348/
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09:11<kilelme>before that i update and upgrade my debian then after restart this happen to me
09:12<babilen>what is 'this' ? Which version of Debian do you use?
09:12<kilelme>squeeze
09:12<babilen>What happens if you try to boot the kernel?
09:13<kilelme>if i try boot to kernel 2.6.31 first loading and then blank screen
09:14<babilen>.31 on squeeze?
09:14<kilelme>yes
09:14<kilelme>before squeeze i use lenny
09:14<kilelme>with same kernel
09:14<babilen>judd: versions linux-image-2.6-686
09:14<judd>babilen: linux-image-2.6-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 squeeze: 2.6.30+21 sid: 2.6.32+23
09:15<kilelme>yes i know
09:15<babilen>so, where is it from?
09:15<kilelme>but i use it in lenny then i upgrade my debian to squeeze i and i don't have problem
09:15<babilen>You compiled your own kernel and now have problems booting it?
09:15<kilelme>not
09:16<kilelme>this kernel i have without kompiling
09:16<kilelme>i received from some one in there
09:17<babilen>someone on the internet gave you a kernel, you installed the package with 'dpkg -i' and you have problems booting now?
09:17<kilelme>now
09:17<kilelme>before that i don't have problem
09:18<kilelme>i use this kernel for 4 month ago
09:18<babilen>Where do you downloaded the kernel package from?
09:18<snogglethorpe>what's the deal with "configure.lineno"? is it supposed to be there or is it a bug? is the user (using automake) responsible for deleting it etc... when cleaning?
09:18<kilelme>hmm
09:18<babilen>kilelme: before what?
09:18<kilelme>i download from site ftp.debian.org but i forget the link
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09:19<babilen>ok, you probably installed the sid/unstable package ...
09:19<kilelme>before i upgrade few hour ago
09:19<eightyeight>crontab(1) says that if both cron.allow and cron.deny exist, then either only root can install cron jobs, or all users, depending on site-wide configuration. where is this site-wide config? /etc/default/cron doesn't seem to be it.
09:19<kilelme>this my kernel name linux-image-2.6.31-1-686_2.6.31-1_i386.deb
09:19<babilen>why do you need that kernel? what is the error you get when you try to boot into it?
09:20<kilelme>i first use that kernel because this solution for my notebook
09:20<abrotman>solution?
09:20<eightyeight>pardon me. if cron.deny and cron.allow _don't_ exist
09:20<kilelme>yes
09:21<babilen>kilelme: solution for what?
09:21<kilelme>hmm i remember i first discuss about my problem with you abrotman
09:21<kilelme>i have acer aspire 4810t
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09:22<gsimmons>kilelme: Ah, you required a newer atl1c IIRC.
09:22<kilelme>i have problem with wifi and ethernet and some problem .. and suggest me to upgrade kernel and some one give me that kernel
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09:23<kilelme>gsimons : now everything is okay
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09:24<kilelme>but
09:24<kilelme>i use update manager few hour ago and i cannot use my 2.6.31 anymore
09:25<kilelme>when i try command dpkg --list 'linux-image*'
09:25<kilelme>and this show
09:25<kilelme>http://paste.debian.net/55348/
09:25<darsie>Hi! I have sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-plugin installed and enabled in iceweasel, but it still does not work.
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09:26<kilelme>darsie : have you configure plugin in iceweasel?
09:26<abrotman>darsie: update-java-alternatives ?
09:27<darsie>kilelme: No. I just dist-upgraded my testing.
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09:30<darsie>abrotman: What am I supposed to do with update-java-alternatives?
09:30<abrotman>make sure you're using sun
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09:30<abrotman>darsie: also check "about:plugins" in your browser
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09:31<darsie>'update-java-alternatives -l' says: java-6-sun 63 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun, java-gcj 1043 /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj
09:32<abrotman>darsie: and your "about:plugins" ?
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09:34<darsie>I have 'Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_16' and 'Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_16-b01' in my add-ons list.
09:35<darsie>They both show a lot of mime types in about:plugins which are all enabled.
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09:38<abrotman>darsie: so what about java doesn't work? do you have a page we can try ?
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09:38<darsie>http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
09:38<darsie>The box says: Error: click for details.
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09:40<darsie>The error details: http://pastebin.org/70291
09:40<Nemoder>http://www.javatester.org/version.html does this work?
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09:44<abrotman>darsie: ipv6 issue ?
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09:44<darsie>Nemoder: no.
09:45<darsie>abrotman: I use IPv6, IMO.
09:45<darsie>abrotman: I use IPv4, IMO.
09:45<abrotman>you use both ?
09:45<darsie>not v6
09:45<darsie>no
09:45<darsie>mistake
09:45<abrotman>did you actually look at the error ?
09:46<darsie>I put it in the pastebin.
09:46<Nemoder>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561693 hmm
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09:46<darsie>I can't find a solution from the error message.
09:47<abrotman>Caused by: java.net.ConnectException: Network is unreachable
09:48<abrotman>yeah, same error
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09:48<abrotman>darsie: open file /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf and set net.ipv6.bindv6only=0, then restart the procfs with invoke-rc.d procps restart
09:48<abrotman>yay BTS
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09:52<darsie>http://www.javatester.org/version.html now works, but http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml is still broken.
09:52<Nemoder>the java.com one is broken for me too..
09:53<darsie>But the chat application I wanted to use now works.
09:53<Nemoder>nice :)
09:53<darsie>thx
09:54<abrotman>darsie: neither work for me
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09:55<Nemoder>first one works fine for me but then I ripped ipv6 out of my kernel since I got tired of all the apps that have problems with it
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10:02<bighornram>happy new year! My desktop still thinks it is 2009. (squeeze) anyone else have that?
10:03<azeem>bighornram: your desktop as in?
10:03<jackyf>bighornram: what 'date' outputs?
10:04<bighornram>gnome panel says 2009
10:04<bighornram>when I click it for the calendar it is 2010
10:05<bighornram>jackyf: date is 2010
10:05<azeem>what do you mean with "gnome panel"?
10:05<babilen>bighornram: just reload that broken applet
10:06<bighornram>jeff@amd64:~$ date Fri Jan 1 10:05:11 EST 2010
10:06<bighornram>babilen: I did a reboot and it is still that way
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10:06<babilen>you might have found the second y2k10 bug
10:06<azeem>bighornram: here the clock in the gnome-panel does not display a year
10:06<bighornram>azeem: the date on the top panel in gnome
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10:14<saapas>uuh-um. I need Zend's xmlrpc files for the postfixadmin plugin for squirrelmail. 10 minutes of googling didn't give me advice how/where to get it. how about here?
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10:15<bighornram>http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1033/screenshotjx.png
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10:17<saapas>ha. cancel that, found it.
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10:20<abrotman>bighornram: have you logged out/in ?
10:20<bighornram>abrotman: I did a hard reboot and it is unchanged
10:21<abrotman>bighornram: right click on the clock, go to preferences, go to Time Settings
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10:21<bighornram>Time & Date shows calendar today 2010
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10:34<shibing>part
10:34<shibing>part #debian
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10:42<chaos>peter5: hi around?
10:42<tinkiwinki-sidux>hi dude
10:42<chaos>i had a question about 14 hours ago :)
10:42<chaos>i have 2 subnets connected to a debian box which also works as a router for the internet ... how do i create a virtual network so the boxes on the two separate subnets can see each other?
10:42<chaos>and plz no questions why i have two subnets ... i have them because i want them pasta
10:43<chaos>and he said something about me being incorrect
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10:43<chaos><peterS> when you say you have two 'subnets' it implies they are in separate IP ranges. I guess what you mean is two separate ethernet segments. although 'segment' is a misnomer in this day of bridges and switches
10:45<chaos>so to make it clear ..i have some NICS in my box .. in this case 3 are of concern .. 1 which connects to the adsl modem, 2 which connects to 192.168.1.* and the 3rd which is on 192.168.2.*
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10:45<chaos>now ... i would like to have access to boxes on 192.168.2.* from 192.168.1.*
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10:46<chaos>lol
10:46<kaustav>hi. any one from india
10:46<cahoot>try a network oriented channel?
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10:58<wozza>chaos enable ip forwarding in your kernel
10:58<wozza>and he should be smart enough to route packets between ..1 and ..2
10:59<wozza>the other hosts will need to have route add default gw ..1.1/..2.1 respectively
11:00<wozza>check your /etc/sysctl.conf
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11:04<chaos>well... masquarading works for both subnets they can all see the internet
11:04<chaos>just not each other
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11:05<wozza>because eth1 is not forwarding to eth2 and visa versa
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11:07<wozza>chaos - oh i see you have iptables nat forwarding and masquerading
11:08<wozza>but that is not the same as net.ipv4.ip_forward in sysctl
11:09<wozza>`sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward`
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11:19<sergey>hello all - a problem i`ve got
11:19<sergey>Failed to fetch http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/memcached/memcached_1.2.2-1_amd64.deb: 404 Not Found
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11:20<sergey>is it that room?
11:21<abrotman>sergey: aptitude update .. try again
11:22<sergey>thnx a lot - i did it ^-)
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11:23<sergey>and silly question - how to close telnet session?
11:23<weasel>telnet tells you
11:24<weasel>Escape character is '^]'.
11:24<sergey>Escape character is '^]'.
11:24<sergey>i type it - no reaction
11:25<weasel>it means Control ]
11:25<sergey>i`ve got - ^ = cntrl
11:25<sergey>yes )
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11:48<lluvia>hello world
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11:49<lluvia>echo hola
11:50<azeem>lluvia: do you have a Debian question?
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11:51<lluvia>it is my first time with irc
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12:10<Woet>Is there a list somewhere of best supported RAID cards by Debian?
12:11<Woet>3Ware? Adaptec?
12:11<azeem>it's a Linux question, not necessarily a Debian-specific one
12:11<Woet>hmm, I just found http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins, seems to be a pretty good overview
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12:15<oigres>Hi guys, I'm installing a debian box for a spanish speaker person and don't know how to make language spanish appear on the gnome system tray options. Any clue?
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12:17<cahoot>oigres: already tried dpkg-reconfigure loacles?
12:17<cahoot>locales
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12:18<shiznatix>Hello. can someone tell me a good program to capture video on with my built in camera?
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12:19<cahoot>cheese
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12:22<oigres>cahoot, sure. I've tried that but the System->Preferences->System-Settings -> Languages & Regional Settings does not have any spanish option at all!
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12:24<Millo>hi
12:24<Millo>question
12:24<wozza>shiznatix xawtv
12:25<oigres>shiznatix, "cheese"
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12:44<h3r0>hi all
12:44<h3r0>anyone here?
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12:45<cahoot>not sure
12:46<ml|>heh, that was quick
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12:47<mesut>türk varmı kanalda
12:48<cahoot>!tr
12:48<dpkg>it has been said that tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg
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12:56<deviad>Hello, I have been getting stupid with my bcm4328 wireless card... it looks like I'm forced to use the proprietary closed source drivers (sta drivers) so I cannot use kismet in order to scan the networks around my place. Is there anything like netstrumbler for Linux that I can use at least?
12:56<deviad>I'm sorry to bother you with these "stupid" things...
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12:58<cahoot>deviad: iwlist scan?
12:59<deviad>I get something like "interface does not support scanning"
12:59<deviad>:\
13:00<cahoot>deviad: missing firmware?
13:00<deviad>I am not using b43 driver, I am using the STA driver because bcm4328 is not yet supported by b43 driver
13:01<cahoot>unload/reload the sta 'driver' and check dmesg for complaints
13:01<deviad>I have put b43 and ssb in blacklist
13:01<deviad>also
13:01<deviad>just to be sure...
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13:02<deviad>dmesg | grep -i <what do I look for?>
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13:03<cahoot>unload/reload the sta 'driver' and check the last 20 or so lines of dmesg for complaints
13:04<deviad>[ 181.151211] udev: renamed network interface eth1 to eth2
13:04<deviad>[ 181.346769] udev: renamed network interface eth1 to eth2
13:04<deviad>[ 191.600084] eth2: no IPv6 routers present
13:06<cahoot>are you implying your wifi is eth2?
13:06<deviad>yes, I didn't decide it
13:06<deviad>I dunno why this behavior...
13:06<deviad>I have no eth1
13:07<cahoot>so can you run iwlist eth2 scan?
13:07<deviad>http://pastebin.com/m4e7d4d9d
13:07<deviad>it says: "interface does not support scanning"
13:08<cahoot>lsmod doesn't list b43 or ssb?
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13:09<deviad>no
13:09<deviad>just checked
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13:13<cahoot>well dmesg didn't make one any wiser
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13:16<deviad>OK, sorry
13:16<deviad>stupid error...
13:16<cahoot>s/one/me/
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13:16<deviad>I had to run the command with sudo
13:17<deviad>sudo iwlist eth2 scanning
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13:17<deviad>although it could advert the user with a message about it...
13:18<deviad>Thank you very much though
13:18<deviad>:)
13:19<cahoot>deviad: try /msg dpkg 70 for the udev renaming matter
13:19<deviad>Has anyone tried the new 190 - 195 nvidia drivers? Is there any improvement over the 185 shipped with Ubuntu karmic?
13:19<cahoot>deviad: hold on - is this a debian system at all?
13:20<deviad>debian based
13:20<noflash>heh
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13:22<fatal>Hello! Looking for help with geoclue... I have "gpsd" working (telnet localhost 2947 and sending "r\n" gives me NMEA).... geoclue(-gpsd) doesn't seem to do anything useful though.... anyone know how to debug it?
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13:50<edbian>What is better to have on my filesystems? noatime or relatime ??
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13:54<abrotman>depends on what you're doing with it
13:55<edbian>abrotman, I'm just talking about my root file system, home partition, and such
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14:01<shawn_>how can i configure my wireless card its b43 series was told to use ssb
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14:02<abrotman>shawn_: which card is it? lspci -nn
14:02<shawn_><<< ali3n
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14:02<ali3n>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free
14:02<ali3n>oops
14:02<ali3n>0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n [14e4:4328] (rev 03)
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14:05<ali3n>also ifconfig -a doesnt show it
14:05<ali3n>i just followed http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy so idk what to do now
14:05<abrotman>i doubt that will work
14:06<abrotman>judd: pciid 14e4:4328
14:06<judd>abrotman: [14e4:4328] is 'BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4328
14:06<abrotman>really?
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14:06<ali3n>ya when it told me to do modprobe i did ssb
14:06<abrotman>!ssb
14:06<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
14:06<ali3n>but i got nothing
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14:06<abrotman>bleh .. not usful
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14:07<ali3n>i really wanna use debian on my laptop i dont like ubuntu lol
14:07<ali3n>but i dont have an xp driver
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14:07<abrotman>ali3n: supposedly you don't need it
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14:07<abrotman>ali3n: uname -a
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14:07<ali3n>Linux Zeus.localcoast.org 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 20:45:37 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
14:08<abrotman>ali3n: lsmod | grep ssb
14:09<ali3n>ssb 33476 0
14:09<ali3n>pcmcia 29548 1 ssb
14:09<ali3n>pcmcia_core 31892 2 ssb,pcmcia
14:09<abrotman>so it is loaded
14:09<abrotman>ali3n: dmesg | grep eth
14:09<abrotman>erm ..
14:09<abrotman>ali3n: dmesg | grep wlan
14:09<ali3n>how come its not listed in /etc/network/interface
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14:09<abrotman>well .. it might be either .. try them both .. i can't remember which that one creates
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14:10<abrotman>ali3n: because you haven't put it there yet .. what does dmesg say ?
14:10<ali3n>!patebin
14:10<ali3n>!pastebin
14:10<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
14:10<abrotman>paste.debian.net
14:11<ali3n>http://paste.debian.net/55365/
14:11<abrotman>and 'dmesg | grep ssb' ?
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14:12<ali3n>[ 1.710560] ssb: Sonics Silicon Backplane found on PCI device 0000:0c:00.0
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14:12<Soultaker>Option "MetaModes" "1280x800,*x*; 1280x800,NULL" is an acceptable configuration in xorg.conf
14:12<Soultaker>??
14:13<abrotman>ali3n: only oen line ?
14:13<abrotman>one line
14:13<ali3n>ya
14:13<abrotman>ali3n: ifconfig -a ?
14:14<abrotman>put all of dmesg in a pastebin
14:14<ali3n>ill have the config in there too :)
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14:16<ali3n>so eth0 is being seen as wlan :D
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14:16<ali3n>i see the PCI express
14:16<ali3n>first is eth then eth0 alright abrotman ?
14:16<abrotman>i won't know til i see your paste ?
14:16<ali3n>http://paste.debian.net/55366/
14:16<ali3n>nah i was letting you know that theres two dmesg back to back
14:17<ali3n>i forgot to lable the 2nd lol
14:17<abrotman>i wanted to see the whole 'dmesg'
14:17<ali3n>was curious to see eth0
14:17<ali3n>ya its all there
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14:20<abrotman>no it's not
14:20<abrotman>the *whole* dmesg
14:22<ali3n>what u be by whole because thats what appeared
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14:23<ali3n>what you see there is what i see when i type that command
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14:28<jmarsden>ali3n: dmesg | pastebinit # is one quick and simple way to pastebin the entire output of dmesg. aptitude install pastebinit first if you need to.
14:30<sney`>ali3n: grep is a program that looks for specific text patterns and only shows matches. so when you did dmesg |grep eth0, what you really did was run dmesg, then run grep to look for lines that had eth0 in them. the full dmesg is much bigger.
14:30<abrotman>ali3n: dmesg > /tmp/foo .. paste foo in a pastebin
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14:30<sney`>the pipe | is a tool to feed the output of one program to another.
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14:31<ali3n>how do i copy all of foo then?
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14:34<abrotman>you don't have to .. the paste site has a place to send a file
14:34<ali3n>i got it :)
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14:34<ali3n>http://paste.debian.net/55371/
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14:41<abrotman>ali3n: modprobe -r ssb && modprobe ssb .. and paste the last 20 lines of dmesg
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14:43<ali3n>http://paste.debian.net/55373/
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14:44<abrotman>ali3n: is there a wifi switch on your card?
14:45<ali3n>ya
14:45<ali3n>but its on lol
14:45<abrotman>switch it off/on
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14:45<ali3n>k did
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14:46<ali3n>then i did dmesg again i see something different lol
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14:46<abrotman>can we see it?!?!!/ OMG !!!
14:47<ali3n>http://paste.debian.net/55374/
14:48<abrotman>nope .. doesn't seem to be working correctly at all .. and i'm not sure why
14:48<ali3n>does this mean i gotta go back to ubuntu?
14:51<abrotman>no, it means you can use ndiswrapper, or try another kernel
14:51<ali3n>idk how to do ndiswrapper
14:51<avu>!ndiswrapper
14:51<dpkg>NDISwrapper is a way to wrap Windows XP drivers so they can be used in Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your device, first consider that instead, for wireless LAN ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to install. 16-bit PC Card (PCMCIA) devices are not supported. http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/ #ndiswrapper on irc.freenode.net.
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14:53<ali3n>!ndiswrapper one-liner
14:53<dpkg>somebody said ndiswrapper one-liner was "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper && modprobe ndiswrapper && echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules". Then install the Windows XP NDIS driver via "ndiswrapper -i <inf file>", refer to the ndiswrapper man page. Additional information at http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper
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14:54<ali3n>see i need the inf file which i dont have
14:55<abrotman>who made your pcmcia card ?
14:55<ali3n>dell but theres no xp drivers for xps 1330
14:56<abrotman>so try it with whatever drivers you have ?
14:56<ali3n>so how do i get the inf file then
14:57<ali3n>brb need to reboot
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14:57<abrotman> can you finbleh
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15:00<shawn_>this kinda starting to piss me off
15:00<shawn_>why cant it be easy to get the dam wireless to work
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15:02<shawn_>and then really no one knows why it doesnt work
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15:28<fabio_>hello
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15:28<fabio_>I need help with a debian installation
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15:29<abrotman>just ask your real question
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15:38<abrotman>fabio_: ?
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15:47<fabio_>ok I already asked on #debian-boot, but no answer
15:47<fabio_>so I'm pasting here
15:48<fabio_>[21:25] <fabio_> hello
15:48<fabio_>[21:25] <fabio_> I need help
15:48<fabio_>[21:25] <fabio_> I just installed squeeze with netinst
15:48<fabio_>[21:25] <fabio_> and installed grub to partition
15:48<fabio_>[21:26] <fabio_> and now it doesn't chainload
15:48<fabio_>[21:26] <fabio_> which kernel parameters do I need when trying to boot manually from that partition?
15:48<fabio_>[21:26] <fabio_> it always drops me to initrd shell
15:48<abrotman>anytihng special about your install like swraid or encrytped or lvm ?
15:49<fabio_>no
15:49<fabio_>I just tried with the grub shell
15:49<fabio_>kernel vmlinuz
15:50<fabio_>initrd /initrd.img
15:50<fabio_>then boot
15:50<fabio_>and after few seconds it drops me to initrd shell
15:50<fabio_>am I missing some kernel options?
15:50<fabio_>do I have to specify init?
15:51<rik_>you have to specify the root parameter, for example root=/dev/sda1
15:52<fabio_>oh man thank you
15:52<fabio_>nothing else?
15:52<rik_>my kernel parameters are:
15:52<rik_>ro root=/dev/mapper/vg00-root
15:52<fabio_>thank you!
15:53<abrotman>that's for LVM though
15:53<fabio_>of course
15:53<fabio_>and once I'm in I can try to reinstall grub to partition with grub-install, right?
15:53<rik_>you can also use the debian-installer in rescue mode to do that
15:54<fabio_>ok thanks again! very helpful.
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15:57<babilen>!tell fabio_ -about fixmbr
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16:20<lluvia>someone can help me with a DNS problem?
16:20<rik_>lluvia: ask your question
16:21<lluvia>it is a problem with every(?) linux distro
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16:21<lluvia>with MS dont happens
16:21<lluvia>if I ping a domain it late so much
16:22<lluvia>if I ping a number IP it is fast
16:22<lluvia>etc/resolv.conf is normal
16:22<lluvia>dig domain.com is normal
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16:22<rik_>what does the 'host' line say in /etc/nsswitch.conf ?
16:23<lluvia>hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
16:23<rik_>do you have avahi-daemon running?
16:24<lluvia>I don't know
16:24<rik_>ps -ef | grep avahi-daemon
16:24<lluvia>yes
16:25<lluvia>avahi 2698 1 0 12:50 ? 00:00:00 avahi-daemon: running [seed.local]
16:25<lluvia>avahi 2701 2698 0 12:50 ? 00:00:00 avahi-daemon: chroot helper
16:25<lluvia>lluvia 10411 7712 0 22:25 pts/0 00:00:00 grep --color=auto avahi-daemon
16:26<lluvia>(i will use pastebin for large exits)
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16:27<rik_>is 'host www.google.be' also slow?
16:27<lluvia>yes
16:28<lluvia>.com at least
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16:28<rik_>and if you rerun the same command? still slow?
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16:28<babilen>lluvia: which debian version is this?
16:29<mwnn>Добрый вечер
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16:29<lluvia>yes
16:29<babilen>mwnn: welcome - please speak English
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16:30<babilen>lluvia: and you tried different linux distributions and all behave like this?
16:30<lluvia>ps -ef | grep avahi-daemon: ...real 26s
16:30<lluvia>babilen: yes
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16:30<lluvia>and I have tried a lot
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16:31<rik_>do you have IPv6 enabled (is enabled by default)?
16:31<babilen>could you strace the ping and see where it hangs please?
16:31<babilen>rik_: not on debian stable
16:31<lluvia>I think yes
16:31<babilen>rik_: (the new stuff at least)
16:31<mwnn>I really do not know much English, sorry. Is there a Russian-speaking people?
16:31<mwnn>?
16:31<wnd>!ru
16:31<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
16:31<lluvia>now I am on a ubuntu based distro
16:32<rik_>ip addr show | grep inet6
16:32<lluvia>but I have debian in down
16:32<babilen>ubuntu based? hehe :-D
16:32<babilen>!noipv6
16:32<dpkg>[noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny and Etch: echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option "ipv6.disable=1" to your bootloader.
16:32<mwnn>thanks
16:32<wnd>no problem
16:32<vook>you don't really need avahi, but this sounds like a DNS issue. Perhaps a different DNS server ?
16:32<mwnn>bb
16:32<rik_>lluvia: I would try disabling ipv6 (needs a reboot) to see if this helps
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16:33<babilen>vook: 'dig whatever' does not show the symptoms
16:33<lluvia> inet6 ::1/128 scope host
16:33<lluvia> inet6 fe80::21e:68ff:feb7:d0b8/64 scope link
16:34<babilen>lluvia: you could run 'strace ping www.google.com' and see what it waits for
16:34<wnd>what about ping -n $host?
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16:35<lluvia>wnd: the first slow, the rest fast
16:35<babilen>really sounds like a broken DNS ... could you change the nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf to 2.2.2.2 please and try again?
16:36<rik_>lluvia: what's the IP of your DNS server
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16:36<wnd>which server responds to your query with dig? is that the first nameserver listed in /etc/resolv.conf?
16:36<lluvia>rik_: 80.58.61.250
16:37<lluvia>babilen: I don't understand your solution very well
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16:37<babilen>lluvia: ok (wrong ip anyway) ... you said that dig runs fast .. correct?
16:37<rik_>try 8.8.8.8 as your DNS server
16:37<wnd>80.58.61.250 responds to me very quickly
16:37<rik_>here fast too
16:38<babilen>rik_: 4.2.2.2 ftw ;-)
16:38<lluvia>dig -> ;; Query time: 57 msec
16:39<babilen>lluvia: dig @8.8.8.8 google.com && dig @4.2.2.2 googe.com && dig @80.58.61.250 google.com
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16:40<babilen>lluvia: and run 'strace ping google.com' and see where it hangs ...
16:41<babilen>lluvia: it looks as if you have to run the strace command as root
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16:41<shawn_>so when will there be support for the dell 1509 wireless card?
16:42<babilen>shawn_: 23.07.2011
16:42<abrotman>depends on the actual chipset ?
16:42<lluvia>http://pastebin.com/m1408ad7d
16:42<abrotman>oh .. he's ali3n or whatever
16:42<shawn_>ya lol
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16:42<shawn_>had to reboot lol
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16:42<babilen>!lol
16:42<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
16:43<ali3n>if ubuntu is a distro of debian how come theres support for it already and not on debian?
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16:44<babilen>lluvia: i had a typo in there. Does the strace command give any clue? You could also just try to disable IPv6 ... it might just try to fetch the AAAA records and you have to wait for that to timeout
16:44<lluvia>strance: http://pastebin.com/m193fc0da
16:44<lluvia>I've never used strance before
16:45<babilen>lluvia: you have to run that as root ... just tell me where it is hanging
16:45<lluvia>ok
16:46<babilen>lluvia: and/or paste the *complete* output and be like: see that open(fooBarBaz ...) line ... it was waiting there for some time ...
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16:47<lluvia>poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}], 1, 5000
16:47<lluvia>that
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16:47<babilen>lluvia: paste the context of that poll please (+/- 15 lines or so ...)
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16:49<lluvia>http://pastebin.com/m36173ac
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16:49<babilen>one second
16:49<lluvia>thanks :)
16:49<abrotman>ali3n: find out which driver they use
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16:52<rik_>lluvia: did changing the dns server help?
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16:53<lluvia>rik_:do you want to say to change temporally it in /etc/resolv.conf?
16:53<rik_>yes
16:54<rik_>and flush the nscd cache if nscd is running (nscd -i hosts)
16:54<lluvia>I'll do it
16:54<babilen>lluvia: yeah, try that ... it does not look as if the problem is ipv6 related (AF_INET and not AF_INET6)
16:55<lluvia>babilen: what is ...?
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16:55<lluvia>ah
16:55<lluvia>ok
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16:55<lluvia>I'll do it
16:55<lluvia>what Ip for DNS I use?
16:55<babilen>lluvia: try 8.8.8.8 (google dns) or 4.2.2.2 (verizon) as DNS
16:55<rik_>8.8.8.8
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16:57<lluvia>root@seed:/home/lluvia# nscd -i hosts
16:57<lluvia>bash: nscd: command not found
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16:57<rik_>ok then it isn't installed, that's ok
16:57<rik_>is DNS faster with 8.8.8.8?
16:57<lluvia>(I have changed the nameserver)
16:58<rik_>then try to resolve some addresses you haven't tried before to make sure, and look at the speed
16:59<lluvia>it is worse
16:59<ali3n>how do i find out what driver they use? sorry was eatting dinner
16:59<babilen>damn
17:00<vook>lluvia: where are you located ? If not in the US, 8.8.8.8 (or 4.2.2.x) would be slow.
17:00<ali3n>4.2.2.2 sucks as a nameserver dont use it... i had issues with my box then i switch to google's dns :D
17:00<lluvia>I live in Spain
17:00<vook>that would do it.
17:00<rik_>i live in belgium and 8.8.8.8 is ok here
17:01<vook>hmm
17:01<babilen>vook: 8.8.8.8 uses anycast - the servers are *really* fast usually
17:01<vook>ok
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17:01<abrotman>ali3n: lsmod would be a good start .. or look through dmesg again
17:01<abrotman>ali3n: or ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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17:02<rik_>I would suggest disabling ipv6 and see if it helps. Are you running a firewall?
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17:02<lluvia>I dont know, but Im notsure
17:02<rik_>iptables -L -vn
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17:02<lluvia>I belive no*
17:02<babilen>hmm, what now? From what I read into the strace output it does not look as if it is hanging on ipv6 - but it might be worth a try nonetheless
17:02<vook>eh, one could always try (killall5 -not now!) just to make sure a process isn't causing the issue. Don't use killall5 though unless you are ready to reboot.
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17:03<vook>bad advice from vook
17:04<lluvia>iptables -> http://pastebin.com/m359c51d0
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17:04<rik_>you don't have a firewall
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17:06<babilen>should we try disabling ipv6 ? but the socket ping communicates on when it hangs on the poll() is not an ipv6 one ..
17:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 362] by debhelper
17:07<rik_>can you run a traceroute to the ip of the dns server?
17:07<lluvia>ah, I remember that I disable ipv6 in gentoo long time ago fot trying
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17:07<lluvia>but don't works, or I do it bad
17:08<ali3n>abrotman, how do i do pastebinit again?
17:08<ali3n>theres too much info so im gonna have to look at the file via gedut
17:08<ali3n>edit*
17:08<abrotman>foo | pastebinit
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17:09<ali3n>http://pastebin.com/f2781001d
17:09<ali3n>:D
17:09<ali3n>that was cool lol
17:10<lluvia>rik_: how do I do a traceroute6 to a ip?
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17:10<babilen>lluvia: paste the output of 'traceroute 8.8.8.8' please
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17:10<rik_>you should traceroute (ipv4) to the IP of the dns server: traceroute 8.8.8.8
17:11<lluvia>command not found
17:11<babilen>install it
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17:11<lluvia>I have traceroute6
17:11<lluvia>traceroute: unknown host google.com
17:11<lluvia>aghh
17:11<lluvia>sorrry
17:11<rik_>traceroute6 is for IPv6 only
17:11<lluvia>ah
17:11<lluvia>installing
17:11<rik_>and you don't have a public ipv6 address
17:12<abrotman>!tell ali3n about wl
17:13<lluvia>traceroute is slow...
17:13<ali3n>so abrotman
17:13<ali3n>its wl now i need lol
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17:14<rik_>can you post the output?
17:15<lluvia>http://pastebin.com/m4704a9d
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17:15<abrotman>ali3n: read the link
17:15<ali3n>i just did :D
17:16<ali3n>abrotman, you gonna be here in like 20mins?
17:16<ali3n>gonna need that link again, ill go install debain :P
17:16<abrotman>maybe
17:16<ali3n>so its wl right?
17:16<abrotman>if not .. just remember it's 'wl' .. and say "/msg dpkg wl"
17:16<ali3n>just incase if ur not here to spam me one i get in :P
17:16<ali3n>bbiaj :D
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17:17<rik_>the delays I get from hop to hop are about 20ms. Yours are a lot slower
17:17<babilen>ali3n: Could you please learn how to type? You are frequently missing letters in your words and that hurts my eyes ;-)
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17:18<babilen>yepp, that is *slow*
17:18<rik_>can you rerun the traceroute with the -n parameter so disable DNS lookups?
17:18<rik_>s/so/to/
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17:19<lluvia>yeah
17:21<lluvia>with -n: http://pastebin.com/m311fb52b
17:21<rik_>it seems to timeout for a while on hop 6
17:22<rik_>do you have tcpdump installed?
17:22<babilen>and it is still painfully slow ...
17:22<rik_>if you ping your DNS server, what's the delays you get?
17:22<lluvia>i have not tcpdump installed
17:22<babilen>lluvia: just to check: could you paste the output of 'ifconfig'
17:23<rik_>and netstat -rn
17:23<lluvia>rik_: nothing strange
17:23<rik_>i get times of 20ms
17:23<rik_>and what's the ttl value?
17:23<babilen>and what is the packet loss when you ping
17:24<lluvia>netstat-> http://pastebin.com/m9aadce9
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17:25<lluvia>I always thinked that packet loss were cause of the delay
17:27<rik_>lluvia: what are the average time and ttl values of the ping, the packet loss (statistics are shown when you stop the ping). please also post the output of /sbin/ifconfig
17:27<babilen>please provide some data ... 'ifconfig eth0' 'ping 8.8.8.8'
17:29<lluvia>ifconfig and ping 8.... -> http://pastebin.com/m1607a8f4
17:29<rik_>14% packet loss is a lot
17:30<lluvia>what means the ping's ttl?
17:31<rik_>the time to live of the packets. it starts at (I think) 254 and decreases with each hop (router) it passes
17:31<babilen>rik_: exactly
17:31<rik_>so if you have a ttl of 240 you're crossing about 14 hops before you reach your destination
17:32<rik_>but my ttl to 8.8.8.8 is also 242 so 240 is not that high
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17:32<babilen>lluvia: it looks like your uplink is a bit shaky. Do you have access to a good one (think university, your company or internet cafe) ?
17:32<rik_>but I guess your problem is the 14% packet loss. DNS is UDP based and will timeout and retry by sending the packet again.
17:33<rik_>other operating systems should not perform better on your network
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17:33<rik_>is a 'dig +tcp 8.8.8.8' faster?
17:34<lluvia>I have access to a ssh conection with a remote machine
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17:34<lluvia>uplink?
17:34<rik_>your internet connection
17:34<babilen>lluvia: no, i meant: can you run these tests with a different uplink
17:34<lluvia>yes
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17:35<lluvia>I have a ssh server in other city
17:35-!-marco is now known as Guest186
17:35<lluvia>what I do?
17:35<babilen>lluvia: as in: can you carry your laptop (?) to a different location and use a different uplink with your box?
17:35<lluvia>ah
17:36<rik_>or use your neighbours wireless ;)
17:36<babilen>hehe
17:36<lluvia>mmm
17:36<babilen>(with their permission)
17:36<rik_>offcourse
17:36<lluvia>yes
17:36<lluvia>but I need to remember the key
17:36<lluvia>We need to wait
17:37<babilen>too late now to ask them :-D
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17:37<rik_>does the dig with the +tcp option make a difference?
17:37<rik_>or was dig always fast?
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17:38<rik_>or 'host -T www.google.com'
17:38<lluvia>;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
17:38<lluvia>ha
17:39<rik_>with your original dns server in resolv.conf?
17:40<babilen>dig @8.8.8.8 +tcp google.com
17:40<lluvia>rik_: yes, resolv.conf has changed yet
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17:41<rik_>I would say it's probably your internet connection and would compare it with another connection.
17:42<lluvia>dig +tcp -> http://pastebin.com/m639475b5
17:42<rik_>the dig is also 10x slower than my dig here
17:42<babilen>i concur
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17:43<babilen>lluvia: try a different internet connection .. If that "solves" it you have to get a new ISP
17:43<babilen>or complain with your ISP about the abysmal performance and let them fix it
17:43<lluvia>ACK
17:43<rik_>or seriously complain
17:44<lluvia>and why linux and not MS
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17:44<rik_>strange
17:44<babilen>could it be the NIC?
17:44<babilen>lluvia: can you paste the output of 'lspci -nn' please?
17:44<rik_>could be
17:45<rik_>do you also have wireless?
17:46<lluvia>lspci -nn
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17:46<lluvia>lspci -nn -> http://pastebin.com/m1f3e78b6
17:46<lluvia>yes, I have wireless
17:46-!-surya [~surya@host245-160-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit []
17:46<rik_>try connecting using the wireless interface instead of the wired one
17:47<lluvia>it is the same, but if you want
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17:47<rik_>if you've tried it in the past, I don't think it
17:47<rik_>is a driver issue
17:47<lluvia>only in visceral mode
17:47<rik_>visceral mode ?
17:47<lluvia>sense mode
17:48<lluvia>not with a console
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17:48<babilen>judd: pciid 10ec:8136
17:48<judd>babilen: [10ec:8136] is 'RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8136
17:48<lluvia>well
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17:49<lluvia>Im going to repeat main in wireless mode
17:49<babilen>sense mode? what do you mean?
17:50<Deep6>guys if I export /home via nfs is there a reason why /home/user1 is readable but /home/user2 has no files in it despite having files on it on the NFS server?
17:50<rik_>Deep6: different mountpoint?
17:50<rik_>other partititon on the server?
17:51<Deep6>rik_: I'm exporting /home and it's the same partition on the nfs server
17:51<Deep6>I have /home in exports
17:51<Deep6>and mount server:/home /home in etc/fstab
17:51-!-lluvia_ [~lluvia@110.Red-83-34-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
17:51<lluvia_>hello again
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17:51<babilen>lluvia: hei ... does it make a difference?
17:51<lluvia_>what I repeat?
17:52<rik_>lluvia_: repeat the ping test and check the packet loss
17:52<Deep6>rik any other thoughts?
17:52<babilen>ping google.com for a start
17:52<lluvia_>0%
17:52<babilen>and faster?
17:52<rik_>Deep6: can you post the content of /proc/mounts of the client?
17:52<lluvia_>maybe
17:53<lluvia_>but it is a IP
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17:53<rik_>let the ping run for a while
17:53<lluvia_>to a 8.8.8.8?
17:53<rik_>for example, yes
17:53<rik_>or www.google.com
17:53<lluvia_>13%
17:53<babilen>lluvia: yes, try different hosts/ips
17:54<rik_>so it doesn't make a difference...
17:54<babilen>*sigh*
17:54<rik_>you're sure MS doesn't have this problem?
17:54<Deep6>rik_: http://pastebin.ca/1734475
17:55<rik_>Deep6: please post the line from /etc/exports on the server
17:55<babilen>lluvia: It really looks like your internet connection is to blame. Could you run the ping from windows and report the results?
17:55<lluvia_>wlan0 ping google -> http://pastebin.com/m70453519
17:56<lluvia_>babilen: yes, I can
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17:56<babilen>lluvia_: thanks
17:56-!-shawn_ [~shawn@CPE0016b6e68f58-CM00122574b6f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #debian
17:56<lluvia_>but I do not know how to use windows
17:56<shawn_>im back :D
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17:56<Deep6>http://pastebin.ca/1734479
17:56<Deep6>^ for you rik_
17:57<lluvia_>(but yes open a black windows)
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17:57<ali3n>wish me luck i got the link for wl :D
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17:57<Guest187>i've forgotten root's password on this box, any suggestions?
17:57<rik_>Deep6: and output of /proc/mounts of the server
17:58<babilen>lluvia_: you mean you don't know how to use 'ping' on windows or you don't know windows at all?
17:58<rik_>and 'ls -l' /home on the server
17:58<lluvia_>only ping
17:58<Kraven>rik_/Deep6: Could it be some problem with file permissions? I mean normally you have directories of different users in /home. So it would make sense, that you can't read the directory of another user (no +x for other users)
17:58<babilen>!tell Guest187 -about i forgot root's password
17:58<lluvia_>(it said only for hate to windows)
17:58<rik_>Deep6: yes, but you should get an access denied then, not an empty directory
17:59<rik_>lluvia_: you can specify a parameter under windows to keep on pinging, otherwise it only pings 3 times
17:59<simNIX>Hueast; try single user mode from boot menu - if that asks passwd boot live cd, mount root fs on a directory and chroot to it to change passwd
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17:59<babilen>lluvia_: no problem. can you come here from windows? (my windows skills are almost as bad as your internet connection though, but we should be able to find ping)
17:59<simNIX>or try sudo bash
17:59<lluvia_>i have a black windows here
17:59<simNIX>* Guest181
17:59<simNIX>no 187
17:59<Guest187>thanks
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18:00<ali3n>abrotman, you here?
18:00<Deep6>rik_: http://pastebin.ca/1734481
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18:00<babilen>Guest187: you got the msg from dpkg?
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18:00<ali3n>OMG!
18:00<ali3n>babilen,
18:00<ali3n>guess what
18:00<abrotman>no!
18:00<ali3n>:D
18:00<abrotman>you hate us ?
18:00<ali3n>abrotman,
18:00<ali3n>it worked
18:00<ali3n>:D
18:00<ali3n>it was WL i needed :D
18:00<abrotman>oh, so you'll be around more ?
18:00<ali3n>hehe
18:00<rik_>Deep6: your /home/media is a different logical volume
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18:00<ali3n>thanks for the help abrotman and babilen :)
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18:01<Deep6>oh crap
18:01<babilen>lol OMG freaking lolcats are 234lkj234 mY fAc3B00k
18:01<rik_>so needs a 2nd line
18:01<Deep6>of course it is sorry rik_
18:01<Deep6>I wasn't thinking
18:01<rik_>Deep6: no problem
18:01<Deep6>rookie mistake I should have picked that up myself
18:01<Deep6>sorry
18:01<lluvia_>agh
18:01<lluvia_>windows in spanish, sorry
18:01<Deep6>I'm 1/2 asleep :D
18:01-!-]V[4F_ [~Vroni@wprt-5d836182.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
18:01<lluvia_>but maybe it is not so bad
18:01<abrotman>!enter
18:01<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
18:02<ali3n>I GOT DEBIAN YAHOO!
18:02*ali3n dances
18:02<Deep6>anyone seen the likes of greycat around here?
18:02<lluvia_>http://pastebin.com/m7799e91
18:02<Kraven>lluvia_: Use Windows-key+R and enter cmd to get a dosbox: There just type ping -n <number of pings you want> google.de (or whatever)
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18:03<babilen>no package loss on MS
18:03<ali3n>what tool can i install to control my wifi nets better?
18:04<lluvia_>im going to do -n 20
18:04<babilen>ali3n: wicd (from backports) or network-manager
18:04<rik_>try more pings
18:04<babilen>Deep6: yes greycat is around sometimes. Why?
18:04<ali3n>wow
18:04<ali3n>1262 files to update lol
18:05<babilen>!tell ali3n -about lol
18:05<babilen>!tell ali3n -about u
18:05<ali3n>sorry :(
18:05<Deep6>babilen: just wanted to wish him all the best in 2010.
18:06<lluvia_>sorry, it is not so easy copy and paste in windows
18:06<babilen>Deep6: he ws here nine days ago ..
18:07<Deep6>ahh, well I've not been here in god knows....how long...probably close to a year or 2 perhaps
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18:07<lluvia_>http://pastebin.com/m6f7c0757
18:07<Deep6>and he was always exceptional
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18:07<lluvia_>0%
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18:09<babilen>Deep6: Great! #debian tries it's best. (we venture into OT regions though)
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18:09<babilen>no package loss on windows - weird
18:09<Deep6>OT == off topic?
18:09<babilen>yep
18:10<Deep6>I'd argue tis what gives a channel it's "personality" or from officespace...it's "flare"
18:10<babilen>yes sure
18:10<babilen>!tell Deep6 -about ot
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18:11<babilen>lluvia_: I am not sure what causes that problem on Debian
18:11<lluvia_>and what recommended me?
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18:12<ali3n>gftp is a client ftp program for debian right?
18:13<babilen>ali3n: 'aptitude show gftp'
18:13<ali3n>hehe k :)
18:13<babilen>!tell ali3n -about reference
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18:14<babilen>lluvia_: How do you connect to the internet?
18:14<lluvia_>with network manager of genome
18:14<babilen>lluvia_: I assume that you used a dedicated router for that, true?
18:15<lluvia_>yes yes
18:15<babilen>ok. (just wanted to make sure that it is not related to PPPoE or something like that)
18:15<babilen>and you use the same router on windows and debian? (almost certainly yes)
18:16<lluvia_>yes
18:16<babilen>does windows use a different mtu than debian? (package fragmentation errors maybe?)
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18:19<lluvia_>is there an info page that explain how to talk succesfully with a ISP?
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18:21<lluvia_>I think no
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18:22<babilen>lluvia_: could you boot debian again?
18:22<babilen>or wait a second
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18:24<babilen>lluvia_: please boot debian ... i want to try something
18:24<lluvia_>yeah
18:25<abrotman>!mtu
18:25<dpkg>from memory, mtu is Maximum Transmission Unit, or what tracepath (package iputils-tracepath) can find about, or can be configured in interfaces - ask me about <interfaces> - or set as a <pppd> option (man 8 pppd).
18:25<lluvia_>windows shutting down (it's neccesary, and also funny)
18:25<dkr>dpkg has awesome memory, :)
18:25<dpkg>dkr: are you smoking crack?
18:26<lluvia_>but I have ubuntu based distro yet :P (his name is trisquel)
18:26<abrotman>lluvia_: wtf .. why are you asking here?>
18:27<lluvia_>nothing, nothing
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18:28<abrotman>lluvia_: if oyu're not using Debian, go to the correct channel for support
18:28<lluvia_>i use debian
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18:28<abrotman>lluvia_: you just said you weren't
18:28<lluvia_>I use a lot of distros
18:28<babilen>lluvia_: you just said that you use trisquel
18:28<abrotman>lluvia_: uname -a
18:28<lluvia_>the problem has the spirit of debian ideas
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18:29<abrotman>wrong .. go to #trisquel on irc.freenode.net .. have a nice day
18:29<lluvia_>I have here other computer with debian
18:29<lluvia_>dont be so strict
18:29<abrotman>the broken one isn't debian
18:29<lluvia_>it is in all computers
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18:29<abrotman>Look, that's the channel policy .. this channel doesn't support distros based on debian ..
18:29<abrotman>or based on ubuntu in this case
18:30<lluvia_>it is a debian problem also
18:30<abrotman>prove it
18:30<lluvia_>I can prove it
18:30<abrotman>This channel will not support Trisquel
18:30<babilen>please do ... *angrylook*
18:31<lluvia_>im sad now
18:31<lluvia_>but I'll do it
18:31<rex>#trisquel on irc.freenode.net
18:31<abrotman>we said that already
18:31<lluvia_>yes, thanks
18:32<lluvia_>i can talk from other OS althought I use Debian for run the commands?
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18:34<babilen>lluvia_: how do you want to paste then?
18:34<lluvia_>I dont know
18:34<lluvia_>im sad now
18:34<lluvia_>what you want before?
18:34<lluvia_>say me what I type
18:35<babilen>lluvia_: Please: (i) boot/use Debian or (ii) ask in the correct channel.
18:36<lluvia_>Debian is booted
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18:37<jmarsden>lluvia_: /ctcp lluvia_ version shows you are running a Ubuntu version of xchat ... are you *sure* you booted into Debian?
18:37<lluvia_><lluvia_> i can talk from other OS althought I use Debian for run the commands?
18:38<abrotman>lluvia_: you're supposed to be proving the problem exists on debian ?
18:39<lluvia_>it was before very good
18:39<lluvia_>I have my debian machin here
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18:40<abrotman>so Debian works fine ?
18:40<lluvia_>no
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18:43<rex>is the problem that lluvia can't connect to the network with the debian machine ?
18:43<lluvia_>it is a more generic problem that debian' issues, maybe I should complicate more this talk and go to talk with more generic people of a generic world
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18:43<jmarsden>lluvia_: If you boot it and use IRC from it, people in #debian will be more likely to be willing to help. Or, sure, you can ask in #linux if you prefer.
18:44<lluvia_>but why?
18:44<lluvia_>don trust in me? is it the problem? never i had heard it
18:45<abrotman>you mean besides the fact you already lied at least once ?
18:45<babilen>lluvia_: Which distribution did you use for all the tests we ran earlier?
18:45<lluvia_>ubuntu based
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18:46<smiley>Ubuntu based?
18:46-!-fossiiil [irctalker@95.85.209.161] has joined #debian
18:46<smiley>.. so ubuntu?
18:47<babilen>and we don't support that in here. You have to proof now that your Debian installation has the same problems or ask in the appropriate channel.
18:47<babilen>Why can't you just boot Debian and use that to come here?
18:47<lluvia_>I'll do it
18:48<lluvia_>but only for...
18:48<adb> ops lluvia_ troll
18:49<abrotman>i'm sitting right here .. don't do that
18:49<lluvia_>nice adb, very nice
18:50<abrotman>lluvia_: look, you need to do the work on the Debian box .. if you're unwilling, go get support in ##linux on irc.freenode.net
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18:52<mcphail>Hi. I want to mount a usb ext3 drive at boot on squeeze. It fails. I think checkfs.sh and mountall.sh are running before udev can discover the drive. Is there any way to fix this?
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18:53<lluvia2>hello
18:53<lluvia2>somebody can check it?
18:55<abrotman>lluvia2: in your irc window "/exec -o uname -a"
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18:55<lluvia_>dont trust inme!
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18:56<lluvia_>bah
18:56<lluvia_>thanks to babilen and rik
18:56<lluvia_>it seem that people paid you
18:56<abrotman>lluvia2: in your irc window "/exec -o uname -a"
18:56<lluvia_>see you
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18:56<abrotman>either cooperate, or go away
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18:57<shawn_>i cant control my wireless yet
18:57<shawn_>was it wcid to manage it?
18:57<lluvia2>2.6.30-2-686
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18:57<abrotman>wicd is one program
18:57<abrotman>lluvia2: that's not what it says
18:57<shawn_>ah wicd
18:57<lluvia2>Linux Segunda-Colmena 2.6.30-2-686 #1 SMP Fri Dec 4 00:53:20 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
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18:58<abrotman>lluvia2: now do all the tests they wanted before .. but on Debian
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18:59<lluvia2>now i say bye and thanks, debian comunity
18:59<abrotman>okay
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18:59<abrotman>guess Debian didn't have an issue then
18:59<shawn_>crap i rebooted and now the wireless card is gone
18:59<shawn_>:(
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19:02<shawn_>abrotman, anyway to have modprobe wl load on boot?
19:03<abrotman>shawn_: /etc/modules
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19:03<shawn_>okay and does wicd support wpa2?
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19:03<daMichl>hi guys
19:03<babilen>shawn_: yes
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19:03<daMichl>where i can find an aktual mirror list for my sources.list on debian 5?
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19:04<abrotman>daMichl: debian.org/mirrors/list
19:04<daMichl>thx
19:04<abrotman>and man sources.list
19:04<mcphail>Can anyone help with the race condition mentioned above? I have added "sleep 10" to the beginning of /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh but don't know if there is a better way...
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19:05<babilen>daMichl: netselect-apt / apt-spy
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19:10<shawn_>wow
19:10<shawn_>i cant obtain an ip with wicd
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19:12<shawn_>is there any reason why it cant connect?
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19:15<shawn_>this is starting to drive me nuts
19:16<shawn_>is there a reason why wicd cant obtain an ip?
19:18<dr|z3d>shawn_: Maybe you're not running dhcp on your router? Or?
19:18<shawn_>think it is because on windows im fine
19:18<shawn_>and ubuntu
19:20<babilen>shawn_: paste the last 100 lines of /var/log/daemon.log after you tried to reconnect. Are you sure the module is loaded? Any errors when you reload it?
19:20<shawn_>theres no errors and yes its loaded or else i wouldnt see eth2 lol
19:21<shawn_>!pastebin
19:21<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
19:22<rex>can you assign an ip manually and ping the router?
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19:23<daMichl>how i update my sources.list with the new mirror datas? here my old sources list
19:23<daMichl>a part of it: deb http://mirror.ffm1.adminsystem.eu/debian/debian/ lenny main
19:23<daMichl>what i must change for ftp.de.debian.org mirror?
19:24<shawn_>i cant open the file as its locked
19:24<shawn_>and i dont have permissions
19:24<babilen>shawn_: do it as root
19:25<babilen>!tell daMichl -about sources.list
19:25<babilen>daMichl: replace <cc> with de
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19:25<shawn_>how do i open it when im a basic user?
19:25<shawn_>wanted to open it in gedit lol
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19:26<rex>shawn_: use a root terminal
19:26<babilen>shawn_: you can't. Either do it as root or install and configure sudo
19:26<babilen>!tell shawn_ -about lol
19:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 355] by debhelper
19:27<daMichl>my linux pc dont know the bash -about sources.list
19:27<daMichl>or what you meaning?
19:27-!-amphi [~amphi@88-110-106-67.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:27<daMichl>not linux, mean debian^^
19:28<shawn_>umm the daemon.log file is too big :(
19:28<babilen>!sources.list
19:28<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
19:28<daMichl>?
19:28<babilen>shawn_: 'aptitude install pastebinit' 'tail -n 100 /var/log/daemon.log | pastebinit'
19:28<daMichl>if i type in !sources.list it dont know it too
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19:29<babilen>daMichl: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add the 'deb http://ftp.de. ...' line to it (and the others as well)
19:29<babilen>daMichl: Do you have a preferred editor?
19:30<EagleRock>I can't seem to get the nvidia drivers working on squeeze (using 2.6.30-2 kernel) since that kernel was patched in squeeze. I redid module-assistant on the nvidia source according to the dpkg "nvidia squeeze" instructions but xorg still fails to start. I don't even see anything in the X log that points to the issue: http://paste.debian.net/55399/
19:30<daMichl>i use mcedit and edite some files over winscp with notepad++
19:30<shawn_>http://pastebin.com/f3c5158a3
19:31<daMichl>@babilen, i must only replace the domain? look here, this is a line from my sources.list now: deb http://mirror.ffm1.adminsystem.eu/debian/debian/ lenny main
19:32<babilen>daMichl: You could use 'nano /etc/apt/sources.list' to edit the file ... add the lines dpkg told you about and run 'aptitude update' afterwards
19:32<daMichl>? nano? is that tis black and white programm?
19:34<daMichl>i dont like this program :-/
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19:35<babilen>daMichl: then use another editor
19:35<daMichl>notepad ++ is linux conformed
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19:37<babilen>daMichl: isn't that a windows editor?
19:37<babilen>daMichl: you could use gedit for example
19:37<Nazcafan>hello
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19:38<babilen>daMichl: or emacs, or vi, or jEdit, or kwrite, or ...
19:38<daMichl>np problem
19:38<daMichl>i open the file over winscp with it
19:38<daMichl>it works
19:38<shawn_>babilen, you see my pastebin?
19:38<daMichl>ist that an error?: Ign ftp://ftp.de.debian.org lenny/volatile/main Sources Hole:16 ftp://ftp.de.debian.org lenny/main Packages
19:39<babilen>shawn_: just opened it - be patient :-D
19:39<babilen>daMichl: yes
19:39<shawn_>wasnt sure :P
19:39<daMichl>:-(
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19:41<daMichl>dont check it
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19:41<daMichl>now i have made deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/debian/ lenny main
19:41<daMichl>whats false?
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19:41<daMichl>have debian 5
19:41<daMichl>*use debian 5
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19:44<babilen>daMichl: http://paste.debian.net/55401/
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19:46<daMichl>must copy that all in my sources.list and it works fine babilen?
19:47<babilen>daMichl: yes, that's a start
19:47<babilen>shawn_: do you connect with wicd or network manager?
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19:49<daMichl>@ babilen there is my original sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/55402/
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19:49<t3rm1nus>hello
19:49<babilen>daMichl: looks fine
19:50<babilen>daMichl: you might want to change the ftp:// to http:// though
19:50<daMichl>no
19:50<daMichl>my problem is
19:50<daMichl>the mirrors are down
19:50<babilen>daMichl: actually it does not look fine
19:50<daMichl>since a long time
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19:51<daMichl>oh
19:51<daMichl>was false xD
19:51<daMichl>ok
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19:53<babilen>daMichl: do you see the difference between the one i gave you and the one you just pasted (duplicate debian/ ... )
19:53<shawn_>im back
19:53<shawn_>had a router issue here
19:53<shawn_>lol
19:53<babilen>shawn_: If you say 'lol' one more time i will not help you anymore. ;-)
19:54<babilen>Do you connect with wicd or network manager?
19:54<shawn_>wicd
19:54<shawn_>i think
19:54<shawn_>i just tried to do aptitude install network-manager-gnome but its installed already
19:54<babilen>shawn_: It looks as if network-manager is still installed or running
19:54<shawn_>im missing the icon in my try though
19:55<babilen>shawn_: could you paste the output of 'apt-cache policy wicd network-manager' please?
19:55<daMichl>now it works better, but there some errors there too: http://paste.debian.net/55404/
19:55<shawn_>http://paste.debian.net/55405/
19:55<babilen>daMichl: I don't see any errors
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19:56<daMichl>Ign are no errors?
19:56<babilen>no
19:56<daMichl>what does it mean?
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19:57<babilen>shawn_: you have *both* installed ... which one do you want to use?
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19:57<shawn_>whats better?
19:57<daMichl>and hole means he gets it now?
19:57<shawn_>lets just use wicd
19:57<shawn_>:)
19:58<babilen>daMichl: Hole == get in German ;-D
19:58<daMichl>xD right
19:58<babilen>shawn_: ok 'aptitude purge network-manager'
19:58<shawn_>k done :)
19:58<daMichl>thx for help, now i can upgrade my debian ;-)
19:58<babilen>daMichl: You might want to use en_EN.UTF-8 as default locale ;-)
19:59<babilen>daMichl: viel Spass
19:59<daMichl>danke dir
19:59<daMichl>i am german i like german interface
19:59<babilen>shawn_: /etc/init.d/wicd restart
19:59<chahibi>!de
19:59<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
19:59<daMichl>xDDD
20:00<shawn_>okay done
20:00<daMichl>why i havent know that before, but thx for help^^
20:00<babilen>shawn_: you use wl now (you are ali3n, right?)
20:00<shawn_>ta
20:00<shawn_>ya
20:01<babilen>try connecting
20:01<shawn_>k
20:02<daMichl>cya
20:02<daMichl>thx for help again :D
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20:03<babilen>daMichl: bye
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20:03<lotus-blade>is there any good windows emulators out there?
20:04<babilen>wine
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20:04<babilen>!teall lotus-blade -about wine
20:04<shawn__>that didnt work
20:04<babilen>!tell lotus-blade -about wine
20:04<shawn__>failed to obtain ip still
20:04<babilen>shawn_: 'tail -n 100 /var/log/daemon.log |pastebinit'
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20:05<shawn__>http://pastebin.com/f5b13441f
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20:07<shawn__>now with my router i use a letters and words is that passphrase or passkey?
20:07<shawn__>passhared*
20:07<babilen>you would use the passphrase
20:07<shawn__>k
20:08<shawn__>what about wpa supplicant?
20:08<shawn__>wext ndiswrapper madwifi or what?
20:09<babilen>shawn_: paste your /etc/network/interfaces it should look like the one in http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wicd-forXfce.2CLXDE.2CFluxbox
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20:10<shawn__>it doesnt hehe
20:10<shawn__>should i follow that page first?
20:10<babilen>please also follow the steps outlined there . It might not be a bad idea to reload the 'wl' module. 'modprobe -r wl && modprobe wl'
20:10<babilen>shawn__: please do that
20:10<shawn__>k bbiaf
20:11<babilen>shawn__: you might also refer to /usr/share/doc/wicd/README.Debian or the files in the examples directory there
20:12<linucks>Hi I am trying to my own .deb file to a debian simple-cdd configuration. Can anyone tell me how to do this? I've read the documentation and the wiki but it is not very clear about this specifically. Thank you.
20:13<babilen>linucks: try #debian-custom
20:13<linucks>babilen, yeah have tried that, but no one is awake :/
20:14<babilen>linucks: Sorry, I am no familiar with simple-cdd .. You could try the mailing list and/or #debian@freenode
20:14<linucks>babilen, thank you for the suggestions, none the less.
20:14<babilen>linucks: or ask a specific question in here and we will see what we come up with :-D
20:15<linucks>babilen, i will try to ask a specific question and see what happens ;) give me two seconds to write it out :)
20:15<babilen>take your time
20:15<shawn__>think i got it
20:15<babilen>shawn__: it's working now?
20:16<shawn__>but its stuck on dhcp discover
20:16<shawn__>No DHCPOFFERS received.
20:16<shawn__>No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
20:16<shawn__>localhost:/home/shawn#
20:16<shawn__>guess it failed :(
20:16<linucks>babilen, would it be appropriate to write my question to pastebin as it is going to more than probably 10 lines?
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20:17<shawn__>DHCPDISCOVER on eth2 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3
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20:18<babilen>linucks: I would say it is better to write a mail to the mailing list. debian-cd, debian-user, debian-blends might be appropriate
20:19<linucks>babilen, actually it's not too big so I'll have a shot.. here goes:
20:19<linucks>I am attempting to add a .deb package to a simple-cdd configuration (which will make an installable ISO of my configuration with DebianInstaller). The wiki page, at http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD/Howto states that "all_extras="$all_extras $simple_cdd_dir/profiles/custom-file"" may be used to add a custom 'arbitary file'. My question is can this be used for a .deb file, if so will it install it for do I need to add a line in the PROFILE.packages file f
20:19<linucks>or installation?
20:20<linucks>for* installation*?
20:20<babilen>shawn__: ok... 'modprobe -r wl' 'ifconfig -a | pastebinit' 'modprobe wl' 'dmesg | tail -n 20 | pastebinit' 'ifconfig -a | pastebinit'
20:21<shawn__>http://pastebin.com/f629518a7 for ifconfig
20:21<babilen>shawn__: did you reloaded dbus, are you a member of the netdev group? try '/etc/init.d/wicd restart' after the dance above
20:21<shawn__>yes and yes
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20:22<shawn__>http://pastebin.com/f4cb64c39
20:22<shawn__>for dmesg
20:22<linucks>babilen, I have (somewhat as a miracle) discovered the answer myself :)
20:22<shawn__>http://pastebin.com/f78aeef1a
20:22<shawn__>last ifconfig
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20:24<babilen>linucks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging
20:25<babilen>shawn__: ok, that looks fine so far
20:25<babilen>shawn__: start wicd, try to connect and .. well you know what to paste ;-)
20:27<linucks>babilen, lol okay yeah I get the picture :D
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20:28<babilen>shawn__: do you still have bits in your /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf about that network (probably with a wrong passphrase) ?
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20:33<incognito_>I lost Internet now
20:33<babilen>incognito_: completely?
20:34<incognito_>ya since we removed the eth0
20:34<babilen>remove eth0? huh?
20:34<incognito_>I'm shawn_
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20:34<babilen>yes, sure
20:35<babilen>when did I tell you to remove eth0?
20:35<incognito_>I made me interface look that link u posted
20:35<heffay>im trying to install a 32bit chroot and when i debootstrap --arch i386 sid /emul/ia32-linux ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian i get an error "failed getting release"
20:35<babilen>That's your wired interface and completely unrelated to the wifi ... Ah, I should have double checked your interfaces file
20:35<m3onh0x84>hi, why can't online when switch network card ?
20:36<m3onh0x84>hi, why can't online internet when switch network card ?
20:36<incognito_>so now how can I add the eth back
20:36<babilen>incognito_: did you removed the eth0 stanza or just commented it?
20:36<incognito_>removed
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20:37<babilen>incognito_: you should be able to connect to your wired network with wicd now
20:37<incognito_>oh shit haha that worked
20:38<incognito_>it didn't before
20:38<babilen>ok, try the wifi now
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20:38<incognito_>k
20:39<babilen>incognito_: i would still have a backup eth0 line in your /e/n/i .. just to make sure you can connect easily even if your graphical environment is fucked
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20:39<incognito_>wifi still isn't working
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20:40<incognito_>connection failed unable to get ip address
20:40<babilen>weird ... well, can you paste the daemon.log output again .. do you get any output from wicd if you start it from the command line?
20:41<incognito_>it will pop up the gui
20:41<babilen>incognito_: are you sure that your router's DHCP setup is working or that the passphrase is correct?
20:42<babilen>m3onh0x84: What is your native language?
20:42<incognito_>I was just on ubuntu with the wifi so ya dhcp is working and I know the pass
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20:42<m3onh0x84>babilen, sory, I use english so bad :D
20:42<shawn__>k im back
20:43<shawn__>lets do this bs :D
20:43<shawn__>im on the laptop now
20:43<babilen>m3onh0x84: not a big problem, but i really don't understand your question. What is your native language? Or which languages are you fluent in?
20:43<shawn__>what u need me to do babilen ?
20:43<babilen>shawn__: show me the daemon.log ... It might give a clue to what happened.
20:44<m3onh0x84>thankss all, so me google :D
20:44<shawn__>u want the whole daemon?
20:44<babilen>m3onh0x84: what is your native language? (there are channels in other languages)
20:45<babilen>shawn__: no - try to connect and paste the last 150 lines or so ...
20:45<shawn__>im connected via wired :)
20:45<shawn__>http://pastebin.com/f705f6f7 300 lines for ya :)
20:45<m3onh0x84>babilen, hix, I am vietnammese but I asked don't have the good answer :D
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20:47<imperia_>can somebody recommend good unicode terminal emulator?
20:47<babilen>m3onh0x84: I am not aware of a vietnamese channel. Any other languages? Or we can do this in English
20:47<babilen>imperia_: urxvt, gnome-terminal, konsole, aterm, ...
20:48<babilen>shawn__: the URL is not correct
20:48<m3onh0x84>babilen, I knowed it. And want to learn english, linux , I just log in this channel
20:49<shawn__>http://pastebin.com/f548c13e9
20:49<shawn__>try that
20:49<imperia_>babilen: are those included in debian? i heard gnome-terminal is good, but i am using fluxbox..
20:49<m3onh0x84>babilen, perhape, do you kick me cause I type english bad ?
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20:51<babilen>m3onh0x84: No, I won't do that. It might make things more complicated though. Are there other languages you are comfortable with?
20:51<m3onh0x84>babilen, thankss, I thinked, too
20:51<babilen>imperia_: Just install and try them. Check their websites
20:53<heffay>can someone help me figure out why im getting that error?
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20:55<babilen>heffay: which error?
20:55<heffay>im trying to install a 32bit chroot and when i debootstrap --arch i386 sid /emul/ia32-linux ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian i get an error "failed getting release"
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20:56<babilen>shawn__: Hmm, not sure. Do you mind if we head over to #wicd@freenode ?
20:57<shawn__>omy :)
20:57-!-rg [~rg@brln-4d0c19c6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #debian
20:57<babilen>the channel is quite empty though ...
20:57<shawn__>im there
20:59<babilen>shawn__: Just ask in there and give them the last paste. We could try network-manager now. I am not sure what is wrong with your setup.
20:59<babilen>I would try: stop that avahi daemon, disconnect your wired network, double check the wifi settings for wicd and try to reconnect
20:59<shawn__>how do you stop the avahi?
21:00<babilen>'/etc/init.d/avahi<TAB> stop'
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21:02<imperia_>babilen: aterm - not unicode, konsole reqires kde, gnome-terminal - wants gnome. rxvt-unicode.. white background.. ouch my eyes
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21:02<babilen>imperia_: you can configure rxvt-unicode
21:02<int_80h>urxvt isnt white on my systems lol
21:02<shawn__>same thing
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21:03<shawn__>babilen, how do i check if network-manager was removed?
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21:03<babilen>shawn__: really?
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21:03<babilen>*sigh*
21:03<i_is_broke>is anyone else having issues with pidgin or empathy with testing?
21:04<shawn__>i_is_broke, i cant connect to msn on pidgin :(
21:04<babilen>shawn__: 'aptitude search ~i~n^network | pastebinit'
21:04<i_is_broke>or is this the wrong channel to be asking in?
21:04<babilen>shawn__: you need a newer version of pidgin -> later
21:05-!-goodger [~ben@host81-153-88-220.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:05<shawn__>but its the newest one i got :(
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21:06<babilen>shawn__: 'ls /etc/init.d/network*' ?
21:06<babilen>shawn__: killall 'nm-applet'
21:06<babilen>aeh, 'killall nm-applet'
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21:06<shawn__>no processes found
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21:07<babilen>shawn__: did the aptitude line found anything?
21:07<gsimmons>i_is_broke: What issues, specifically?
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21:08<i_is_broke>wont connect with yahoo or aol
21:08<i_is_broke>kopete works fine.
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21:08<babilen>shawn__: or the ls?
21:09<shawn__>just showed /etc/init.d/networking
21:10*babilen curses
21:10<babilen>shawn__: paste /var/log/wicd/wicd.log
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21:11<shawn__>bash: /var/log/wicd/wicd.log: Permission denied
21:11<shawn__>You are trying to send an empty document, exiting.
21:11<shawn__>localhost:/etc/init.d#
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21:12<shawn__>quitr doesnt think networkmanager was removed properly
21:12<babilen>ok .. aptitude search ~n^network-manager ?
21:13<shawn__>k it showed a few things
21:13<i_is_broke>ok, is anyone else having issues with empathy as well?
21:13<shawn__>like network-manager-gnome
21:13<babilen>paste that please
21:13<i_is_broke>its doing the same thing as pidgin.
21:13<babilen>i_is_broke: no, i don't use it
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21:14<shawn__>http://pastebin.com/f27f948e8
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21:14<babilen>shawn__: 'ps aux|grep network|pastebinit'
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21:16<shawn__>http://pastebin.com/f71bc758e
21:17<babilen>shawn__: yes, network manager is gone
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21:18<babilen>the wifi did work before (console based setup) right?
21:19<shawn__>ya it worked on ubuntu and windows
21:19<shawn__>2010/01/01 19:08:13 :: wpa_supplicant authentication may have failed.
21:20<babilen>shawn__: wrong password?
21:20<shawn__>cant be
21:20<shawn__>i entered it right :)
21:20<gsimmons>i_is_broke: WRT Pidgin, you may be hitting Debian bug #545143 if NetworkManager is involved; known Yahoo! and MSN issues are resolved in testing's 2.6.4-1 AFAIK.
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21:23<babilen>shawn__: and there are still absolutely no logs in /var/log/wicd/wicd.log ?
21:23<shawn__>its there
21:23<shawn__>http://pastebin.com/f20443b29
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21:25<babilen>shawn__: that looks borked
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21:26<babilen>remove that file, restart wicd and try again. If that fails try network-manager (remove wicd before that)
21:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 348] by debhelper
21:29<shawn__>remove what file?
21:29<shawn__>you know what
21:29<babilen>the log file
21:29<shawn__>lets just try network-manager lol
21:29<babilen>yes?
21:29<babilen>lol?
21:29<shawn__>sorry :(
21:29<babilen>hehe
21:29<shawn__>i gotta laugh about it :)
21:30<shawn__>i never had so much greif with linux before hehe
21:30<babilen>ok 'aptitude purge wicd'
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21:30<babilen>it's the hardware
21:30<shawn__>k thats done
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21:32<babilen>aptitude install network-manager-gnome
21:32<babilen>killall wicd
21:32<babilen>(just to make sure)
21:32<shawn__>k its installed and killed :)
21:32<babilen>ALT-F2 --> nm-applet
21:33<babilen>shawn__: are you still connected?
21:33<shawn__>k done
21:33<shawn__>think so lol
21:33<shawn__>hehe*
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21:33<shawn__>ya i am
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21:33<babilen>hmm ... weird. You connected to your wired network with wicd didn't you?
21:34<shawn__>ya
21:34<babilen>anyway ... you should have the network-manager applet in your panel
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21:34<shawn__>i do :)
21:34<shawn__>i see it
21:34<babilen>click on it and try to connect to your wifi
21:34<shawn__>it wont click
21:34<shawn__>let me logout
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21:34<babilen>alright
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21:35<goodger>today I learned an important lesson: clicking close on openttd's window many also cause segfaults in firefox and x-chat
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21:37<shawn_>k im back
21:37<shawn_>it wont let me click on anything :(
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21:39<shawn_>No DHCPOFFERS received.
21:39<shawn_>No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
21:40<shawn_>im getting puzzled
21:41<shawn_>Jan 1 21:40:23 zeus wpa_supplicant[17782]: Association request to the driver failed
21:41<shawn_>Jan 1 21:40:26 zeus wpa_supplicant[17782]: Associated with 00:1c:df:a4:30:11
21:41<shawn_>Jan 1 21:40:26 zeus wpa_supplicant[2270]: No network configuration found for the current AP
21:42<babilen>ok .. we can try this for 10 moe minutes. And then we try the console setup ..
21:43<shawn_>you just wanna do the console setup?
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21:44<babilen>'killall wpa_supplicant' 'killall dhclient3' 'killall nm-applet' '/etc/init.d/network-manager stop' 'modprobe -r wl && modprobe wl' '/etc/init.d/network-manager start' ; ALT-F2 --> nm-applet
21:45<babilen>try connecting ... if that fails we try the console setup
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21:47<babilen>could you also paste your /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf please?
21:48<babilen>have you changed anything in there?
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21:48<shawn_>not seeing the wifi card now
21:49<babilen>you mean the nm-applet?
21:49<shawn_>ya
21:49<shawn_>but i can click :D
21:49<babilen>\o/
21:49<shawn_>i had to click on my wired hehe
21:49<shawn_>so now how can i get the applet to see my wireless?
21:50<babilen>no idea... it might be an issue with your wifi card
21:50<babilen>but it works on ubuntu?
21:50<shawn_>it was on till we removed everything hehe
21:50<babilen>what was on?
21:50<shawn_>i just couldnt clicked
21:50<shawn_>i saw the wifi networks near me
21:50<shawn_>:D
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21:50<shawn_>just not now :(
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21:51<shawn_>ya it works with ubuntu
21:51<babilen>iwlist eth2 scan
21:51<shawn_>k
21:51<shawn_>i see things
21:51<shawn_>:D
21:52<shawn_>i see the two routers in my house
21:52<shawn_>then 2 others
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21:53<babilen>with nm-applet or with the 'iwlist eth2 scan' ?
21:53<shawn_>iwlist eth2 scan
21:53<shawn_>ESSID:"Devil's Internet" is what i would be using
21:54<babilen>and now i know why i dislike network-mangler and wicd
21:54<shawn_>hehe
21:54<shawn_>we can do it consle :)
21:54<babilen>alright ...
21:54<shawn_>thats no biggie for me i just want my wifi to work :D
21:54<babilen>remove network-manager
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21:55<babilen>purge it rather
21:55*shawn_ waves to it
21:55<shawn_>gone
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21:56<babilen>ok, cp /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf{,_bkp}
21:56<babilen>is the applet still there?
21:56<shawn_>ya
21:56<babilen>killall nm-applet
21:57<shawn_>cp: target `/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf_bkp' is not a directory
21:58<babilen>huh?
21:58<babilen>do you have a file /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf ?
21:59<gsimmons>babilen: wpa_supplicant.conf is a user-supplied file, there is no "default" configuration as packaged.
21:59<babilen>ok, wasn't sure
21:59<babilen>shawn_: cp /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/wpa-roam.conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
22:00<babilen>shawn_: you network is wpa2-psk, right?
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22:02<kfank>My browser (IceWeasel) will not open www.google.com but opens other sites okay. This used to work fine. Now the status line just shows "Looking up www.google.com...". Epiphany behaves similarly and shows "Loading www.google.com...". I can ping www.google.com fine. Does anyone know how to troubleshoot this?
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22:03<babilen>shawn_: edit that file and add a block like this: http://paste.debian.net/55411/ in the end
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22:05<incognito_>no Internet hehe
22:06<incognito_>babilen that file is a dir
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22:07<babilen>shawn_: edit your /etc/network/interfaces to look like this: http://paste.debian.net/55413/
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22:07<babilen>incognito_: which file is a directory ?
22:07<incognito_>that wpa one
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22:08<babilen>you mean the /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf we just copied over there?
22:08<incognito_>ya
22:09<incognito_>brb I gotta use ipod since no internet
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22:09<babilen>ls -l /etc/wpa_supplicant/
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22:14<gsimmons>babilen: As only one network is involved, http://paste.debian.net/55414/ (managed mode, with no external wpa_supplicant configuration file) is probably more suitable.
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22:15<babilen>that might be, but as soon as he wants to go somewhere else he will be happy to use the roaming mode ... but we should clarify that
22:15<incognito_>okay my interface looks like that
22:15<babilen>incognito_: do you want to take your laptop with you and connect to other networks?
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22:16<gsimmons>babilen: For troubleshooting, at least using managed mode first.
22:16<shawn_>ill be going over to the ex's once in a while but for now no
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22:17<babilen>shawn_: ok, let's simplify the setup a little. gsimmons just created a /etc/network/interfaces file for you: http://paste.debian.net/55414/
22:17<babilen>add your essid and passphrase
22:17<shawn_>so make mine that i just did look like that now?
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22:18<babilen>gsimmons: thanks .. My network configuration is so complicated (vpn for some, wpa-eap with ttls for others, plain dhcp ...) that i forgot that one might not really need all this :-)
22:18<babilen>shawn_: yeah
22:18<shawn_>okay
22:18<shawn_>done
22:19<shawn_>but i left
22:19<babilen>you left?
22:19<shawn_>iface defualt inet dhcp
22:20<babilen>you can comment that as well ... but that should not be a problem
22:20<shawn_>k im ready then :)
22:20<babilen>ifup eth2
22:20<shawn_>http://pastebin.com/f3713a354
22:20<shawn_>is my interface
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22:21<babilen>change defualt to default ;-)
22:21<shawn_>still doing that dhcpdisvover
22:21<shawn_>OMG
22:21<shawn_>should i unplug this cable and see if this actually worked lol
22:22<shawn_>eth2 has an ip :D
22:22<babilen>i have to remember to never touch nm or wicd again
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22:22<shawn__>OMG
22:22<shawn__>you guys kick ass
22:22<shawn__>:D
22:22*shawn__ is on wifi
22:22<shawn__>so
22:22<babilen>!enter
22:22<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
22:23<shawn__>each time i go to a new network ill have to setup a new eth correct?
22:24<babilen>shawn_: no, that's the configuration i gave you.
22:24<shawn__>i know but say if theres a different ssid i need
22:24<babilen>shawn_: read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/ about roaming
22:24<shawn__>just add the ssid or do a new eth?
22:24<babilen>no ...
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22:24<babilen>you said you don't need that
22:24<shawn__>i might if i go away but atm i dont lol
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22:26<babilen>shawn_: figure it out for yourself then .. you want wpa_supplicant with roaming and external config (the /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf) in which you configure the networks you connect to. You can define an id_str in there which will trigger an interface in /etc/network/interfaces
22:27<babilen>shawn_: i gave you the /etc/network/interfaces for that already (if no id_str is given the interface used will be 'default')
22:27<shawn__>i dont have a .conf do i ?
22:28<shawn__>ya theres no .conf
22:28<babilen>you would then edit /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf and add new networks in there. You can also use wpa_cli or wpa_gui to edit that
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22:28<i_is_broke>ok and it says there is a fix for it?
22:28<babilen>shawn_: cp /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/wpa-roam.conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
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22:28<i_is_broke>but im not using wireless.
22:28<i_is_broke>but it did take out my network manager.
22:29<babilen>i_is_broke: what are you talking about?
22:29<shawn__>thanks babilen
22:29<shawn__>thats the software for linux for ipods?
22:29<shawn__>i need to charge my ipod hehe
22:29<i_is_broke>what gsimmons was talking about.
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22:30<i_is_broke>the bug ##545143
22:30<i_is_broke>isnt wpa for wireless?
22:30<i_is_broke>wait thats wap.
22:30<i_is_broke>or is it..lol i dont remember.
22:31<babilen>shawn__: re: pidgin 'aptitude install -t lenny-backports pidgin' --> problem solved
22:31<int_80h>both wpa is wireless security, wap is mobile browsing
22:31<int_80h>s/both // lol
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22:33<shawn__>i need my ipod hehe
22:33<shawn__>not pidgin
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22:40<knoppix_>hello
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22:43<shawn__>whats the program for ipod so i can use it on debain?
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22:54<rex>shawn__: http://www.gtkpod.org
22:54<shawn__>thanks :)
22:54<shawn__>i have no sound though :(
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22:57<babilen>!alsa
22:57<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <asoundconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net.
22:57<babilen>shawn__: rhythmbox should work with your ipod too ...
22:58<shawn__>umm suposely aptitude install alsa-base alsa-utils is done lol
22:59<rex>rhythmbox looks better - i never used gtkpod
23:00<babilen>!alsa checklist
23:00<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
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23:02<shawn__>aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav doest work :(
23:02<shawn__>i hear static
23:02<babilen>lspci -nn
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23:03<shawn__>00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:284b] (rev 02
23:04<dvs>snd_hda
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23:07<shawn__>so babilen if i reboot will eth2 be auto?
23:07<babilen>shawn__: yes
23:07<shawn__>k :)
23:07<shawn__>think ill worry about the sound issue tomorrow :D
23:07<babilen>judd: pciid 8086:284b
23:07<judd>babilen: [8086:284b] is '82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:284b
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23:08<babilen>is that module loaded (lsmod | grep snd-hda)
23:08<shawn__>nope
23:08<shawn__>so modprobe snd-hda ?
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23:08<babilen>snd-hda-intel
23:09<shawn__>k did it
23:09<babilen>unmute some channels
23:09<shawn__>nothing is muted
23:09<dvs>speaker-test
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23:10<babilen>try the aplay line
23:10<shawn__>how u do that?
23:10<shawn__>k
23:10<babilen>what do you hear?
23:10<shawn__>nothing :(
23:10<babilen>nothing?
23:11<shawn__>nope
23:11<babilen>you tried that before and you heard static, right?
23:11<shawn__>ya now i hear nothing :)
23:11<babilen>restart alsa
23:11<shawn__>how?
23:11<shawn__>got it :P
23:12<shawn__>still hear nothing
23:13<shawn__>i see an OSS mixer though
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23:13<babilen>no, that is not right. you had a different mixer before?
23:13*dvs bets shawn__ is not part of the audio group.
23:13<shawn__>its still on the alsa mixer though :)
23:13<shawn__>i am :D
23:13<dvs>did you log out and back in again?
23:13<shawn__>zeus:/etc/init.d# adduser shawn audio
23:13<shawn__>The user `shawn' is already a member of `audio'.
23:13<shawn__>hold on lol
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23:14<shawn_>did it and still nothing
23:15<dvs>then it's probably something to do with the mixer.
23:16<shawn_>how do i fix it?
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23:16<dvs>I can't see your mixer from here. You have to unmute the channels and turn up the volumes until it works
23:17<shawn_>its all unmuted and the volume is up
23:18<dvs>it should be working. I can't think of anything else
23:20<opticon>anyone ever use xrdp on debian?
23:23<shawn_>idk im off to bed
23:23<shawn_>thanks for the help today guys :)
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23:29<i_is_broke>gsimmons, ping
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23:37<i_is_broke>gsimmons, never mind i found it.
23:37<i_is_broke>ty
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